Post by: thejt on November 23, 2005, 09:53:00 PM
Please stick to the topic and have some idea of what you are talking about before blabbing a bunch of speculation. Thanks!
On with it!
Here's what I know so far:
SATA 20GB Stock 360 Drive.
The stock drive appears to not have any hardware locking system. The drive is recognized by a PC controller and functions normally.
The filesystem is unknown.. It would be a miracle but not impossible that it is still the old fatx and not encrypted to death (much doubt). I am trying to find a SATA to IDE converter so I can stick the stock 360 drive in a modded xbox. I bought the IDE to SATA.. and that doesnt get my anywhere :( I wont have the other adapter till later. Anyone else tried this?
Norton Ghost recognizes the 20gb 360 drive but cannot clone or work with the partition. :(
Replacing the stock 20gb SATA with another larger SATA drive definately does NOT "just" work. I had false hopes that the 360 would format and prepare any new drive.
USB 2.0 Drives
This is at least a bone thrown to us from MS I guess. USB removable devices DO work; though its not the ultimate solution.
FAT32 is recognized by the 360 for USB devices.
I have formatted a IDE drive FAT32 and connected it to the 360 with a USB 2.0 adapter with sucess. Now we just need to know how large of a formatted FAT32 partition it will support.
Windows XP and 2000 only support partitions up to 32GB with FAT32. Not enough.
The maximum FAT32 volume size that Windows 98 can create is 127.53 GB. So if the 360 supports it we could have up to 127GB of our own content.. We will need to have a 98 machine to load anything new to the drive but its a start.
It seems like some partition level encryption going on and it may be a futile effort to try to replace the stock drive with a larger drive.. at least without paying MS some rediculous dollar per megabyte. Then we still wont have the ability to load our own content to it. If MS was smart they would enable copying to the local drive and sell me a 400GB drive for some retarded price that I would actually pay if I could get MY data on it.
Well Im off to try more stuff. I just wanted to get this thread started. If you have any info, ideas or suggestions please speak up. The 360 is cool and all but IMO we need OUR content before it lives up to any of my expectations. Streaming is just not good enough.
Post by: Alkane on November 23, 2005, 11:51:00 PM
Dump the hard drive image to your computer and see how well it compresses using maximum compression level.
As far as writing support for Xbox 360 hard drives, we'll first need to know if any encryption/compression is being used. Grab the listing of files on the Xbox 360 hard drive (or maybe it was a DVD disc, I haven't been able to relocate it, I know it was posted on Xbox-scene at one point) posted on the web some time ago. See if you can locate any entries using a hex editing app.
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Windows XP and 2000 only support partitions up to 32GB with FAT32. Not enough.
The maximum FAT32 volume size that Windows 98 can create is 127.53 GB. So if the 360 supports it we could have up to 127GB of our own content.. We will need to have a 98 machine to load anything new to the drive but its a start.
The maximum FAT32 volume size that Windows 98 can create is 127.53 GB. So if the 360 supports it we could have up to 127GB of our own content.. We will need to have a 98 machine to load anything new to the drive but its a start.
Windows XP can read and write to FAT32 partitions over 32GB, it just can't natively format the paritions over 32 GB in size. I'd say try a program like PartitionMagic and see how that works out.
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In theory, FAT32 volumes can be about 8 terabytes; however, the maximum FAT32 volume size that Windows XP Professional can format is 32 GB. Therefore, you must use NTFS to format volumes larger than 32 GB. However, Windows XP Professional can read and write to larger FAT32 volumes formatted by other operating systems.
Windows XP Professional can format FAT32 volumes up to 32 GB, but it can mount larger FAT32 volumes created by other operating systems.
Windows XP Professional can format FAT32 volumes up to 32 GB, but it can mount larger FAT32 volumes created by other operating systems.
http://www.MS.com/resources/documen...kc_fil_tdrn.asp
(duh) Change MS.com to Micro$oft.com -- Xbox-scene replaces micro$oft with ms
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Post by: KiemRaekerm on November 24, 2005, 12:53:00 AM
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This is at least a bone thrown to us from MS I guess. USB removable devices DO work; though its not the ultimate solution.
So that means I can use my PNY flash drives and shit? I'm guessing that means I can use an external drive too? Don't have my 360 yet, so I can't really test it, ha.
Post by: Sord_Fish on November 24, 2005, 02:13:00 AM
Post by: cryptblood1986 on November 24, 2005, 02:55:00 AM
Post by: JoBlo69 on November 24, 2005, 03:13:00 AM
i do not have a 360... yet to try a bunch of stuff, a friend of mine has a core. Suck but at least its a start...
try this... i guess at xbox.com there is an executible that you can dl and burn to a disk to get the backwards compadibility of the orig xbox games...
i put this .xex file on my 512mb usb drive and have not had the ability to try it, need to go to my buddys house...
i wonder if you can load this .xex file from a usb divice... or if M$ has it setup to only load .xex files from the dvd drive...
if you are able to dl this file and do a basic data disk to burn this and your xbox 360 can read it... this lets me know that the fileing sstem cant be all that different from a xp pc..
Post by: Arakon on November 24, 2005, 05:28:00 AM
Post by: cyd0g on November 24, 2005, 06:07:00 AM
QUOTE(Arakon @ Nov 24 2005, 12:59 PM)
the 360 will only read mp3 and pictures off USB devices connected to it, everything else is simply ignored.
so perhaps we need a modified mp3 file oder picture to force the xbox to
crash...
:beer: @ arakon grützi alter evo-x ler :beer:
Post by: Strigy on November 24, 2005, 08:17:00 AM
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Post by: BlueCELL on November 24, 2005, 11:29:00 AM
If its a standard one we could buy the same hard drive in stores and swap the boards on the hard drive and then use the 360's hard drive in our pc and view whats on it. Then we should be able to see whats on it. From there we can try to make minor modifications and see if we can "confuse" the X360.
Just a thought!
BlueCELL
Post by: The_Truth on November 24, 2005, 11:41:00 AM
1. all hard drives are locked with a generic "xbox" key... which would mean all are interchangeable... which would be a good move for MS in the way of repairs...(a person can get a new hard drive instead of going to service center).
2. all hard drives are unlocked until attached... once attached they lock to a specific xbox. this should be no problem since there is no dashboard on the hard drive(or else the core system would not work).
3. all hard drives are completely unlocked(slim chance).
so... if there are 2 brave soles with premiums... try swapping one of the hard drives.... if it works... then theory 1 is correct!
Post by: Schismatized on November 24, 2005, 02:05:00 PM
Post by: Jonolche on November 24, 2005, 02:42:00 PM
I was thinking about the thumb drive to, could you rename the files on the thumb drive to a .XBE. See if it reads it as a old game.
You also could try what JBlo said with buring a game like "Halo 2" to it with modded maps. If it reads it then we could put a modded Default.xbe that will crash the OS and install an alternitave dashboard.
I have priemium, and swapted HD's with a friends. It reads it fine.
Try useing a old mod. Like playing 007AUF, Save the game. See where it is saved. And replace it with the modded game save. Put the modded game save on a USB Drive, but name them .mp3, or .jpg, then copy them onto the hard drive, then rename them to there origionals.
Also dose anyone know what the DVD drive is in the 360? Like samsung, or sony.
Post by: deadparrot on November 24, 2005, 03:24:00 PM
Hahaha! A Sony drive in the Xbox! Now, that would be funny!
It's also something I might expect from MS.
Post by: copper7op on November 24, 2005, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: TheSpecialist on November 24, 2005, 06:44:00 PM
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Post by: Justinx89x on November 24, 2005, 07:01:00 PM
QUOTE(TheSpecialist @ Nov 25 2005, 02:15 AM)
Doesn't anybody who has a 360 already know somebody who also has one, so that they could swap drives ? I'd be VERY interested to see if this would work. I don't think it will, because I think that the HD's will be encrypted with keys that are different on every XBOX. However, swapping drives would learn us a lot about this.
onolche just said that he swapped hard drives with a friend and it worked fine. So it has been confirmed.
Post by: TheSpecialist on November 24, 2005, 07:24:00 PM
QUOTE(Justinx89x @ Nov 25 2005, 02:32 AM)
onolche just said that he swapped hard drives with a friend and it worked fine. So it has been confirmed.
Wow, that would be great news !
Something else: Since partition magic recognizes the HD, isn't there some software that can read it at low level ? Some tool that could read every bit and make a dump of the HD contents ? I'd really love to know if such dump would contain unencrypted ASCII contents like directory contents etc.
Something like this:
http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/
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5.1 Supported filesystems
One of the questions arising a lot is "what filesystems does g4u support". The answer is: "all of them". g4u reads the disk bit by bit, starting from byte #0 to the end. It includes any MBR, boot record, partition table and the partitions themselves without further investigating the structure of the data stored in these partitions.
One of the questions arising a lot is "what filesystems does g4u support". The answer is: "all of them". g4u reads the disk bit by bit, starting from byte #0 to the end. It includes any MBR, boot record, partition table and the partitions themselves without further investigating the structure of the data stored in these partitions.
Can someone try something like this ? It would (hopefully) give us great insight in the filestructure, which could eventually lead to the development of software to read (and write) it on a 'higher' level.
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Post by: TheSpecialist on November 24, 2005, 08:56:00 PM
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Post by: cyd0g on November 25, 2005, 12:45:00 AM
like norton ghost etc..
you can try this when starting ghost from cammand line with the switch "IR"
for example ghostPE.exe /IR
Post by: Rustmonkey on November 25, 2005, 01:47:00 AM
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Post by: v8azlin on November 25, 2005, 02:26:00 AM
Post by: seedyrom2003 on November 25, 2005, 02:39:00 AM
Post by: TheSpecialist on November 25, 2005, 06:48:00 AM
QUOTE(cyd0g @ Nov 25 2005, 08:16 AM)
this is called "sector copy" and can be done with nearly every imaging programm
like norton ghost etc..
you can try this when starting ghost from cammand line with the switch "IR"
for example ghostPE.exe /IR
That is simply not true. Like topic starter says:
QUOTE(thejt @ Nov 24 2005, 05:24 AM)
Norton Ghost recognizes the 20gb 360 drive but cannot clone or work with the partition. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Most of these 'cloning' programs try to interpret the information on disk somehow and therfore only work with 'supported filesystems'. Topic starter couldn't clone his HD with Northon Ghost, I'm 95% sure that it's possible with this software (only make sure that your hardware is recognized by the bootlloader CD, not every SATA controller is supported for example)
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Post by: Dark_Neo on November 25, 2005, 08:14:00 AM
) should connect the drive under Linux, then use: hexdump /dev/{360 drive node} /mnt/{mounted drive}/dump.binThen try compressing it, if it's small enough to send over the internet try sending it to me and I'll see what I can make of it.
Not to sound too cocky but I know a lot about filesystems, I fixed a corrupted fatx drive with a hex editor before lol so I might be able to provide insight into the filesystem.
Post by: copper7op on November 25, 2005, 11:44:00 AM
Post by: TheSpecialist on November 25, 2005, 12:54:00 PM
Post by: thejt on November 25, 2005, 02:17:00 PM
. If this is the case I will have my 400GB drive running on my 360 this weekend.As far as Ghost goes. Like I said, Ghost DOES recognize the partition, its size and other information so the controller and drive is recognized by ghost. But unfortunately it will not work with the partition.
I am becoming more and more less interested in replacing that actual stock drive that comes with the 360 because of the fact that you cannot get your own content on the thing anyway.. unless you rip your CD's which I will not do out of spite. I think USB drives are going to be my personal method until until we have some means of doing this.
I am going to give g4u a shot here this weekend.. wish me luck. Thank god I have two 360's.. one to mess with and one to play. COD2 is so tight that if I didnt have two I would be playing right now instead of dabbling with the hardware!
Post by: TheSpecialist on November 25, 2005, 02:41:00 PM
QUOTE(thejt @ Nov 25 2005, 10:24 PM) 
As far as Ghost goes. Like I said, Ghost DOES recognize the partition, its size and other information so the controller and drive is recognized by ghost. But unfortunately it will not work with the partition.
That's good news ! Northon probably won't work with the partition because it doesn't understand the disc structure, so you need some other program that really doesn't try to analyse the disk structure (like g4u indeed).
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I am going to give g4u a shot here this weekend.. wish me luck.
Cool ! I tried booting up the g4u boot disk: on my P4 system it crashes (i really don't know why, but it certainly has problems with some of my hardware), but it boots correctly on my AMD system. Still, it recognizes only a limited set of SATA controllers (promise150 for example), so I hope it works with yours. Would be really cool if someone could upload a zipped version of the dump somewhere.
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Thank god I have two 360's.. one to mess with and one to play. COD2 is so tight that if I didnt have two I would be playing right now instead of dabbling with the hardware!
hehe, but hacking around is SO much more fun
Good luck !
Post by: Alkane on November 26, 2005, 01:16:00 AM
I think someone should dump the contents of their Xbox 360 hard drive with a hex editor such as WinHex and try copying to a second hard drive (an off the shelf, then try copying to another Xbox 360's hard drive) 1:1. See if the Xbox 360 recognizes it, etc. This will at least give us a bit more insight into what protections they're using.
EDIT: Also if you decide to play with the emulator update file, remember that the file mentions what boot source its suppost to use (...CD-ROM). The file is probabbly signed. So even if the Xbox 360 were to allow you to run an executable from a flash device, it wouldn't launch the update file as it is currently written. Also trying to get that same file to run from the hard drive somewhere would suffer from the same problem.
Also of course, see how well the hard drive dump compresses and see if you can find any file/directory strings
I'm no engineer or software hacker, just laying out what I know ; p
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Post by: scuzzell on November 26, 2005, 01:23:00 AM
Post by: drowninginjello on November 26, 2005, 03:38:00 AM
Since there has been mention of USB ports and external drives, and someone actually mentioned getting the games to run off of a HDD via USB as a possibility, why not a USB DVD-ROM or DVD-/+RW drive with an original 360 game as a test?
Don't own one yet, and I never buy first-run things (rule of thumb: wait till the bugs and kinks are worked-out).
Anyway, just a thought.
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Post by: drowninginjello on November 26, 2005, 03:58:00 AM
Anyone who has disassembled their 360 will most likely know this. I know that M$ is using laptop drives, but am curious if a normal SATA cable can be manually attached to the controller board inside the 360 with a 3.5" SATA drive of larger sizes and formatted using the format drive option mentioned earlier?
Example:
300GB SATA attached to the controller.
IF this can be done, it wouldn't be too hard for someone with some plastic or other fab experience to create an external case that would allow attaching the drive to the outside of the 360 case using via velcro and some cooling options + sound insulation.
But I am a madman, and again, these are my thoughts...
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Post by: bucko on November 26, 2005, 08:14:00 AM
QUOTE(Rustmonkey @ Nov 25 2005, 08:18 AM)
Just to let you know... if you can get another SATA laptop drive hooked up, I've noticed theres an option for the 360 to format the HDD.... Also, noticed that at least seven gig is used probabley for emulation of the orignial xbox cache files... at least that would make since, as the X360 is only able to use 13 of the 20 gig on the stock HDD...
Nice, can anyone else confirm this?
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Post by: Casper1786 on November 26, 2005, 10:21:00 AM
Edrive is what 4.7Gb
X, Y & Z are .75Gb each so a 2.25Gb
For emulation Purposes I'm assuming that it had to Dedicate 2.25 for XYZ Drives, but i'm curious did it really need the E Drive dedicated? Has any1 Tryed changing the size of the E Drive on XBOX to see what would happen, i'm assuming either not, or it just did nothing and crashed, I'd be a little annoyed if I had to give up that 4.7Gb for XBOX Emulation if I never planned on Using it, so I'd rather have it Joined together instead of split up. next comes my question to custom soundtracks for XBOX games on the 360, I don't think any of the games i have off the BC list have Soundtrack support, but how did they input that feature? Point is that the 7 Gig area has no other purpose but to be the XBOX Emulator location
That means 7Gb of the drive is in a FatX File system, but the other partition(s) don't have to Follow
Post by: frieko on November 26, 2005, 11:32:00 AM
Post by: Rustmonkey on November 26, 2005, 12:00:00 PM
QUOTE(bucko @ Nov 26 2005, 07:45 AM)
Nice, can anyone else confirm this?
Just go to your system menu all the way to the right and inspect the storage device options. When you select the HDD, it will ask you if you'd like to format, and I believe erase or some other option... I'm at work right now and can't look
Post by: Jonolche on November 26, 2005, 03:34:00 PM
Someone said that even if we maganaged to crack it, The problem will still be with SATA price, Like i stated in my first post in this fourm, get a converter, Or better yet get one, cut it open, and see if its just a basic re-arangeing of the wires. Im not gunna attempt that yet, I still have a couple more tests to do before I destroy it.
Also the 7 gigs could be used by emulator, xbox live connection info, and something like system information( explanes why when I connected my hard drive to my friends xbox and visa-vesa, 360 made us connect to xbox live to use/see xbox-live marketplace pictures, trailers that we downloaded)
UPDATE::: I got my hands on a SATA Drive and connected it to my xbox, It dose not detect it at all. It could require some files on it... I dont know. So I tried connecting my 360 hard drive to my origional xbox w/ Xcuter-3 and it cannot read it. My guess for this is that M$ got smart and made up something to protect the data from being red. Im getting afree xbox 360 hard drive, so ill see whats on it without connecting it to and xbox 360 (useing PC, then XBOX if no luck). DON'T GIVE UP!!!
The best way to upgrade the hard drive, i think, will be to use the USB MASS STORAGE attempt to deliver a hack, crash the os, then, install another dashboard, then copy the contents of the hard drive to a USB drive, Plug in the USB Drive into a computer, then copying the files to another, larger, harddrive. Then makeing the Partions to look like the origonal 360.
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Post by: TheMasterChef on November 26, 2005, 06:03:00 PM
('M$ would never allow use of unlocked hdds' + 'You can swap your 360's hdd with your friend's = Universal key.)
Unless they're using something other than the normal locking method.
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(rule of thumb: wait till the bugs and kinks are worked-out).
-not good logic in this business - the older the XBOX1, no, the older the console, the easier it is to hack. The price, however...QUOTE
That means 7Gb of the drive is in a FatX File system, but the other partition(s) don't have to Follow
, the 360 hdd doesn't have to have any FATX at all, the emulator will be running on the XBOX360 OS which will have an API for whatever filesystem they're using now.QUOTE
So I tried connecting my 360 hard drive to my origional xbox w/ Xcuter-3 and it cannot read it.
, you wired it up to a SATA-IDE converter, I presume.___
The 360 loads its dashboard from something other than the hard-drive, of this we are sure are there doesn't have to be a hard-drive for it to boot to dashboard.
M$ learned a while ago that releasing hardware with flashable BIOSs is a bad idea (1.6, anyone?). I'm betting that this time round M$ will have spent some time making this impossible for the 360. So to modify the dashboard a replacement BIOS will be needed --> modchip. (No softmods.) I think I read somewhere that the dashboard is loaded from the CPUs somehow, in which case we're pwned as far as getting the thing to load straight into...Evox360, is concerned.
As for 360 hard-drives, has anyone yet cloned one to another hard-drive (both of them official XBOX360 drives) and tried that in the console?
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Post by: wolrahnaes on November 26, 2005, 08:43:00 PM
QUOTE(TheMasterChef @ Nov 26 2005, 07:34 PM)
I think the odds are that 360 hdds are locked with a universal key, that is, one that is the same for all.
('M$ would never allow use of unlocked hdds' + 'You can swap your 360's hdd with your friend's = Universal key.)
It's already been stated many times that the hard drive is completely unlocked. It works just like it should when plugged in to a PC, but we don't know the filesystem yet.
There'd be no point to a universal key. Sure, most users don't have the technology to extract the key, but if it's universal it only takes one person to break it, and the Xbox has proven how many people have how much tech at their disposal.
edit: If anyone has dumped the contents of their drive, please get ahold of me. I can't afford to buy a 360 right now due to car-related expenses, but I want to investigate the drive's format. I'd like to have at least two drive images from different boxes, preferably without saves on them, but I'm not picky.
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Post by: soulbadguy on November 26, 2005, 09:16:00 PM
assuming the file system only store meta-data on the beginning of the drive (most FS that M$ use does... i think) by the fact that the partion table seem to be pretty standard (if pc software can read it it should be ) it should be possible to modifie it in order to reflect the geometrie of a new drive (a larger one) just by changing the sector begining/end; number...
here what i suggest... copy raw data of the drive of a x360 using dd under linux for example... the write it on another drive.... then use cfdisk of fdisk for changing the partion range of the lastest partion on the drive ...
this technic (if it work ) will be highly risky ... and seema bit useless as someone said it is allready possible to format a drive on a xbox 360...
sorry for my poor english and keep going guy...
Post by: willpower101 on November 27, 2005, 03:10:00 AM
I have a premium to work with, i just don't want to waste time if it's already been tried so i can move on.
Post by: mr. newbie on November 27, 2005, 04:25:00 AM
Post by: TheSpecialist on November 27, 2005, 08:46:00 AM
QUOTE(mr. newbie @ Nov 27 2005, 11:56 AM)
if u plug into a pc can u add files?
No. Nobody yet understands the filestructure. But what you CAN do is make a HD dump, zip it, upload it somewhere, so also people that still don't have a 360 can start analyzing it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) After we understand the filestructure we can build software to read/write files to the disc with a PC and hopefully replace the drive with a bigger one.
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Post by: Avenger 2.0 on November 27, 2005, 08:59:00 AM
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Post by: modthebox.tk on November 27, 2005, 10:37:00 AM
Also has anybody tried going into DOS or Linux version DOS and tried see what they can find? I know it sounds crazy but I have heard of people say that you can recover anything if you know what you are doing. And it seems that the drive connects without much difficulty to the PC.
Just a thought.
holy crap sorry when I was replying it was different :|. Sorry that is awesome! ppl are already finding stuff.
Step 1 completed
Post by: deadparrot on November 27, 2005, 10:42:00 AM
QUOTE(TheSpecialist @ Nov 27 2005, 03:07 PM)
Therefore, there is some speculation going on that the new filesystem might be the one that's supposedly going to be used in the new windows version, Vista.
I was hoping for an NTFS based system, so yay! As for the Vista Filesystem (WINFS) it was dropped some 1 or 2 years ago.
Post by: mafiafan123 on November 27, 2005, 11:15:00 AM
Look in the pictures Couldnt You Just Hook Up ANy HD bc of the REG SERIAL CABLE? aND there not be a need for special files or anything due to under the options you can format a new hdd under system settings
CracK The BoX XBOX 360 LIVE NAME: mafiafan123 , contact me if you have any ideas
Post by: Cyclone268 on November 27, 2005, 12:13:00 PM
Couldnt you internalize one of the rear USB ports and internalize a USB 2.0 hdd?
Please correct me if im wrong.
Thanks
Oliver
Post by: Vectrexx on November 27, 2005, 02:04:00 PM
Post by: nebur on November 27, 2005, 02:31:00 PM
) Maybe we can get the 360 to recognize the drive from the usb as a 360 drive. just a few ideas.nebur
Post by: Jonolche on November 27, 2005, 03:20:00 PM
I also read this off IGN, it says that emulation files are on it:
The technical issues seem to revolve around the backward compatible (BC) code. Because the games normally run without any issues on Xbox, and because they're running on Xbox 360s, the BC code, which is stored on your Hard Drive, is the most likely candidate. Once you get into a session, the game runs without any noticeable issues. But joining a game proved erratic and frustrating at best. The experience of trying various scenarios -- like turning the system off and one again or switching controllers -- may, or may not, work. Miller's 360 never worked at all, and this could potentially happen to anybody.
Post by: MrCrazy1 on November 27, 2005, 04:28:00 PM
Post by: PsylentGlo on November 27, 2005, 07:36:00 PM
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To add a new HD to the XBOX and enable the XBOX to format it, the correct headers at the bottom of the Hdd have to be set. After that is picked up, the xbox allows you to format it.
Why the hell are yall still talking about ways to add a retail HDD?? Like the specialist stated its already possible!! ok leave it alone now all we need is a reason to add more hdd space(other than f***n pics and music!), and we need software addons for other things, and we need the understand the filestructure more b4 those can be developed!! so in other words stop worrying about adding a hdd and start to working on decrypting the hdd dumps that The Specialist was talking about!!
Hey specialist could you possibly post that dump on a ftp server or sumthing like that? or possibly get on efnet and hand it over?
just do a " /whois DyZiE" to find me! thx!
Post by: Burgleflickle on November 28, 2005, 12:03:00 AM
QUOTE(PsylentGlo @ Nov 28 2005, 03:43 AM)
Why the hell are yall still talking about ways to add a retail HDD?? Like the specialist stated its already possible!! ok leave it alone now all we need is a reason to add more hdd space(other than f***n pics and music!), and we need software addons for other things, and we need the understand the filestructure more b4 those can be developed!! so in other words stop worrying about adding a hdd and start to working on decrypting the hdd dumps that The Specialist was talking about!!
Hey specialist could you possibly post that dump on a ftp server or sumthing like that? or possibly get on efnet and hand it over?
just do a " /whois DyZiE" to find me! thx!
He's right. You guys don't have enough knowledge to be screwing around with your xb or drive. Leave it to the people with the know how to check/decrypt the files, and/or hardware. Speculation does nothing without the know how. Quit spinning your wheels and let these guys go nuts--be patient, they'll crack this bitch. Bunnie, we miss you man. I hope you're up for cracking this one.
Post by: JoBlo69 on November 29, 2005, 01:15:00 AM
I just read this forum from the start to the finish, I think people should acctually read the whole thread before adding a replay, so that the same damn thing isnt repeated over and over... Gets old and hard to pick out the new stuff.
Just a thought
Here's some info for you guys!!!
The xbox 360 dash is on a 128mb flash rom from Hynix. Here is the model number HY27US08281A. Google it and it will take you strate to what this chip consists of.
A friend of mine (i think) accually did the quality control for these chips about 8 months ago at the oregon plant.
So now we know the dash is on a "flashable" bios type chip that is 128mb in size.
The bitch part of this is going to some how get around the boot bios that is accually made into the ibm cpu.
but the dash is just software flashed onto a chip!!! there has to ba away to dump or read the flash rom on the mobo. I have no idea of what could do this... unless someone could find away to hook this chip up to a pc that can run some kind of bios type reading sofware app.
If it is even possable to read the data on this chip we could look for what it takes to "sign" whatever to get a homebrew dash of somekind to boot. Its not like there can be much to the dash software that has it encryped is there??? I wouldnt know... yet
but anyways... theres somthing for you all to hash out... Hope it was usefull
Post by: JoBlo69 on November 29, 2005, 02:16:00 AM
Heres a link
<a href=http://www.hynix.com/datasheet/eng/flash/details/flash_11_HY27US08281A.jsp></a>
I just googled it...
Heres a link
<a href=http://www.hynix.com/datasheet/eng/flash/details/flash_11_HY27US08281A.jsp>click here</a>
i guess html isnt supported???
Post by: dwall4 on November 29, 2005, 05:52:00 PM
i am using a Lexar 256 stick as a xbox memcard.
i dunno if you could gain access to anything by modifying the gamesave but maybe it would be of some help. i know i have the link for making a usbstick xbox memcard somehwere but i cant rememer where.
Post by: azninvasion on November 29, 2005, 11:38:00 PM
Post by: thejt on November 30, 2005, 07:00:00 AM
Im glad to see progress on the topic. Im sure the guys that know this stuff inside and out will have something soon. Until then people will continue to have ideas, stupid or not they are ideas.
If I was better at using my gonkulator I would have hacked the 360 already.. LOL.
Post by: modex on December 01, 2005, 04:23:00 PM
QUOTE
asnpcwiz Replied with - I would like to know how to upgrade my HDD as well, but I'm curious to know what makes you think that the 360 will have the similar format as the original HDD on the old Xbox? -Thread ref - http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=465395
and in response the original Xbox software hasn't changed (they can't recall all old titles to reprogram for a new structure) most of the old games use either the X,Y or Z partitions on the old Xbox hdd to cashe large files for constant use (I think thats the reason!?) any way it must be of a similar "structure" and file format for the old games to recognise it ! and if I remember correctly the old games also used the "E" drive partition to store saved games (I am sure this is Hard coded into the software of the game itself )
So the "new" removable HDD must be the same structure and file format (maybe more partitions for live content?) so it should be fairly easy to upgrade as long as you have a 'modded Xbox' to install a new Hdd (so it writes the directorys and format).
Sorry for rambling on and I hope this makes sence!
As I said I will be testing the theory as soon as I can so will update everyone on it unless someone knows a reason why it won't work or does it before me
lolThanks for reading.
Edit - just thought it may not work as the console is using emulation software for old Xbox games Sorry people.
Post by: deadparrot on December 02, 2005, 09:30:00 AM
Post by: mckenn88 on December 03, 2005, 08:07:00 PM
Post by: ShadowElitePro on December 03, 2005, 08:10:00 PM
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on December 03, 2005, 09:40:00 PM
Just trying to think of ideas. Whish i had a 360 so i could test it. Hope to get one after my christmas money and they come avalibe.
Post by: InterestedHacker on December 04, 2005, 05:19:00 AM
QUOTE(modex @ Dec 2 2005, 01:30 AM)
and in response the original Xbox software hasn't changed (they can't recall all old titles to reprogram for a new structure) most of the old games use either the X,Y or Z partitions on the old Xbox hdd to cashe large files for constant use (I think thats the reason!?) any way it must be of a similar "structure" and file format for the old games to recognise it ! and if I remember correctly the old games also used the "E" drive partition to store saved games (I am sure this is Hard coded into the software of the game itself )
What you aren't taking into account is that the old games are emulated and it's possible that all old XBOX file access API calls will be handled differently, with regards to the new HDD format / encryption.
EDIT: Sorry, didn't see your last line in the post
Post by: xblinkxkidx on December 04, 2005, 06:36:00 AM
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on December 04, 2005, 08:55:00 AM
Instead of trying to hack the x360, maybe we should try to hack M$'s servers and see if they were dumb enough to leave the x360 data on a server that is connected to the internet.
Might be easier.
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on December 04, 2005, 10:12:00 AM
Post by: MGSolidus2 on December 04, 2005, 10:15:00 AM
"The HYNIX HY27US08281A series is a 16Mx8bit with spare 4M bit capacity."
Maybe if someone found out how to write to it, they could then write something to crash the existing Dashboard, and then load up one from a CD or something. Once someone can disasemble the emulator, there will be many possibilities.
Post by: JoHnnyTK36 on December 04, 2005, 10:41:00 AM
Do they assemble harddrives in cleanrooms. That would answer the question, because if they did i guees changing out theacual discs would be pointless.
Post by: mightymegatron on December 04, 2005, 11:46:00 PM
Post by: mr. newbie on December 05, 2005, 05:15:00 PM
Post by: Skettalee on December 05, 2005, 05:34:00 PM
(sorry this is one of my first comments, just thought I would add something to it)
Post by: C.in-fvr3 on December 06, 2005, 07:49:00 AM
My friend foen ( he lives in holland like i do, u might know him of the freeze psp dashboard which never released cause of the flamers and fake-callers) has already succesfully attached a 160 gb hard drive to his xbox 360 and he can save on it and use it online.
In 1 or 2 days he will send me an email how he did it and where to buy the hard drive and stuff like that.
If he agrees I will share the information with u all (i think that is what u were trying to achieve with this topic) but only i will talk to an admin so no one else but foen (my friend) will get full credit of this.
I understand if u dont believe me this is my first post... so it isnt really realistic but i swere u it's real and u will probaly notice when i tell u how.
I will keep following this topic and keeping u in touch
Thx 4 reading this,
Frank
Hello all i have an (I think) important announcement to make:
My friend foen ( he lives in holland like i do, u might know him of the freeze psp dashboard which never released cause of the flamers and fake-callers) has already succesfully attached a 160 gb hard drive to his xbox 360 and he can save on it and use it online.
In 1 or 2 days he will send me an email how he did it and where to buy the hard drive and stuff like that.
If he agrees I will share the information with u all (i think that is what u were trying to achieve with this topic) but only i will talk to an admin so no one else but foen (my friend) will get full credit of this.
I understand if u dont believe me this is my first post... so it isnt really realistic but i swere u it's real and u will probaly notice when i tell u how.
I will keep following this topic and keeping u in touch
Thx 4 reading this,
Frank
Post by: Drunkn_Munky on December 06, 2005, 09:27:00 AM
Just one thing, does it require a previous HDD to get it to work? Why 1-2 days? I'm impatient!!
EDIT: Looks like you've already stated he can write on it, so I removed that question.
Post by: Tp21 on December 06, 2005, 11:21:00 AM
i live in Holland too!
but if he really succeeded attaching an new hd too it, it will be a major break true (right?)
Post by: C.in-fvr3 on December 06, 2005, 11:29:00 AM
Frank
Post by: henchturk on December 06, 2005, 02:11:00 PM
QUOTE(Drunkn_Munky @ Dec 6 2005, 08:12 PM)
Anyway, tell your friend to hurry up, there's lots of impatient people here
(joke).Tell me about it, there might be HDD's in stock tommorow but I don't know if I should wait out. That saves me £70
I want to save some Demo's from marketplace.
Post by: Drunkn_Munky on December 06, 2005, 02:17:00 PM
I can't get hold of them anywhere apart from eBay which is too expensive.
Post by: henchturk on December 06, 2005, 03:39:00 PM
QUOTE(Drunkn_Munky @ Dec 6 2005, 09:24 PM)
According to the people on IRC (Davidc__ and Kangaroo) it would need an original HDD anyway. So looks like there's no luck for us. Henchturk if you do manage to find a HDD in stock, make sure you buy me one
I can't get hold of them anywhere apart from eBay which is too expensive. damn it why can't someone crack it alread, I want to use my removeable harddrive instead of buying another. Monkey I will get you one promise (if the GAME manager keeps his promise)............. for a minimal fee of £200
Post by: maddy2005 on December 07, 2005, 12:24:00 AM
Post by: oz_paulb on December 07, 2005, 12:59:00 AM
QUOTE(C.in-fvr3 @ Dec 6 2005, 03:56 PM)
Hello all i have an (I think) important announcement to make:
My friend foen ( he lives in holland like i do, u might know him of the freeze psp dashboard which never released cause of the flamers and fake-callers) has already succesfully attached a 160 gb hard drive to his xbox 360 and he can save on it and use it online.
In 1 or 2 days he will send me an email how he did it and where to buy the hard drive and stuff like that.
If he agrees I will share the information with u all (i think that is what u were trying to achieve with this topic) but only i will talk to an admin so no one else but foen (my friend) will get full credit of this.
I understand if u dont believe me this is my first post... so it isnt really realistic but i swere u it's real and u will probaly notice when i tell u how.
I will keep following this topic and keeping u in touch
Thx 4 reading this,
Frank
C.in-fvr3 -
Can your friend write to more than 20GB of the drive? I think making a drive 'work' in the Xbox as a clone of the 20GB drive may be easier than actually getting 106GB usable space.
I believe (but don't know, as I don't have a 360) that the 'header' info stored at the start of the drive (which seems to have an encrypted block) is required in order to be recognized by an Xbox. I think you may be able to copy this 'header' to another drive, and possible have it be recognized. But, I wouldn't be surprised if the encrypted block included the overall drive size (limiting anything to be a 20GB drive - no matter how big the physical disk is).
Don't get me wrong - it would be great if your friend has figured out how to get the entire drive to work. I'm just trying to get a full understanding of what you mean by "succesfully attached a 160 gb hard drive to his xbox 360 and he can save on it and use it online".
- Paulb
QUOTE(MGSolidus2 @ Dec 4 2005, 06:22 PM)
I read on the Hynix site that the NAND Flash Chip has 4M Bit open on it.
"The HYNIX HY27US08281A series is a 16Mx8bit with spare 4M bit capacity."
Maybe if someone found out how to write to it, they could then write something to crash the existing Dashboard, and then load up one from a CD or something. Once someone can disasemble the emulator, there will be many possibilities.
I think "spare" may not mean exactly what you think it means.
NAND flash chips are prone to get "bit errors" after use (especially after erasing/re-writing blocks). Software needs to be able to keep track of 'bad blocks', and (sometimes) to use "error correction codes" to automatically 'fix' errors as they occur.
Because of this, NAND sets aside a small amount of 'spare' memory to hold things like 'bad block flags', 'error correction codes', etc.
On the NAND used in the 360, each 'sector/page' is 512-bytes. Each 512-byte sector has a corresponding 16-byte 'spare' area for these 'flags/codes'.
I'm sure that MS is using (at a minimum) the 'bad block flags' byte of the 'spare' area - since chips come from the flash manufacturer with some blocks already marked as 'bad' (so: MS can't use these blocks, therefore they must be observing those 'bad block flags'). MS may also be using the remainder of each 'spare area' for error correction codes, or they could have their own ECC that doesn't need 'spare' area.
Well, that may have been a more detailed explanation than necessary.
But, when it comes down to it, there is no 'spare NAND' in the way (I think) you interpreted it. There's approx 16Megabytes of NAND. MS probably isn't using all of it (actually, I think they store both the 'current' and 'backup' dashboard/kernel there, and probably leave some free space).
IMO, any attack via NAND will (most likely) be by changing some of the data (either in the main 'sector' or 'spare' bytes) on the NAND - not by changing 'unused' ("free space") areas that MS's code won't even be looking at.
- Paulb
Post by: MrCrazy1 on December 07, 2005, 10:33:00 AM
Post by: C.in-fvr3 on December 07, 2005, 11:59:00 AM
I dont know all the details yet and i have to get my own hard drive and a 3.5 inch hard drive to usb 2.0 adapter and then i'll or try it myself or i ask my friend to help me get it working.
To make this clear: he has a 160 gb hard drive on his xbxo 360 he can save on it, he can play online and putt content on it so he can write to it and use it like the 20 gb hard drive from MS.
As i said i dont know the complete detail on how he got it work so i'm not giving u half story's.
Foen and I already discussed and perhaps we are gonna make our own website with xbxo 360 hacks and a forum and stuff like that.
If not or if it is gonna take long i will give u the story as soon as i have or the full details or have it worked on my own xbox 360
Thank you for your patience and plz hold on for this, i have trust in my friend not lying and i hope u have trust in me (u have no reason to i know) and be patient plz.
I will keep replying to this forum at some times so this is not the last what u heared from me or Foen
Frank
Post by: CraLiz on December 07, 2005, 12:31:00 PM
Post by: Mick Garvey on December 07, 2005, 09:08:00 PM
Post by: MSi on December 08, 2005, 06:59:00 AM
QUOTE(oz_paulb @ Dec 7 2005, 08:06 AM)
C.in-fvr3 -
Can your friend write to more than 20GB of the drive? I think making a drive 'work' in the Xbox as a clone of the 20GB drive may be easier than actually getting 106GB usable space.
I believe (but don't know, as I don't have a 360) that the 'header' info stored at the start of the drive (which seems to have an encrypted block) is required in order to be recognized by an Xbox. I think you may be able to copy this 'header' to another drive, and possible have it be recognized. But, I wouldn't be surprised if the encrypted block included the overall drive size (limiting anything to be a 20GB drive - no matter how big the physical disk is).
Don't get me wrong - it would be great if your friend has figured out how to get the entire drive to work. I'm just trying to get a full understanding of what you mean by "succesfully attached a 160 gb hard drive to his xbox 360 and he can save on it and use it online".
- Paulb
M$ is meant to be releasing larger HDD's at a later date, so making them ourselves IS possible. The main reason they are so expensive is because they are laptop HDD's, to save space.
You will have to have an original 360 HDD to begin with, because even though the 360 can "format" the HDD, it is actually leaving a fair amount of the original data there (emulation etc.) There is no-where for the xbox to store all the information it needs to put on the HDD after formatting.
So, I think the only way we can make ourselves bigger HDD's is to find a way of making an image of the original disk, modifying the tree and partition information manually (unless someone makes/finds a program that can do it for us), and then it should be sorted. Is far as I know, there are two partitions on the hdd, so we have to pray that the one we store data on is the second one, because if it's the first, we'll have to move the second one along, just so that we can have one partition with extra space. I don't currently have a 360, but i'm trying to find one (not off ebay... too expensive), once I do, i'll dump the contents, and see what I can do. unless someone shoves it on an ftp server before this (I have a spare 80gig SATA lying around...)
I know there isn't currently much use for a bigger hdd, with no xvid etc. support, but as this is the only bit I can really speculate about atm, it's what i'll do.
Post by: thecheekymonkey on December 08, 2005, 08:41:00 AM
QUOTE(C.in-fvr3 @ Dec 6 2005, 04:56 PM)
Hello all i have an (I think) important announcement to make:
My friend foen ( he lives in holland like i do, u might know him of the freeze psp dashboard which never released cause of the flamers and fake-callers) has already succesfully attached a 160 gb hard drive to his xbox 360 and he can save on it and use it online.
In 1 or 2 days he will send me an email how he did it and where to buy the hard drive and stuff like that.
If he agrees I will share the information with u all (i think that is what u were trying to achieve with this topic) but only i will talk to an admin so no one else but foen (my friend) will get full credit of this.
I understand if u dont believe me this is my first post... so it isnt really realistic but i swere u it's real and u will probaly notice when i tell u how.
I will keep following this topic and keeping u in touch
Thx 4 reading this,
Frank
Hello all i have an (I think) important announcement to make:
My friend foen ( he lives in holland like i do, u might know him of the freeze psp dashboard which never released cause of the flamers and fake-callers) has already succesfully attached a 160 gb hard drive to his xbox 360 and he can save on it and use it online.
In 1 or 2 days he will send me an email how he did it and where to buy the hard drive and stuff like that.
If he agrees I will share the information with u all (i think that is what u were trying to achieve with this topic) but only i will talk to an admin so no one else but foen (my friend) will get full credit of this.
I understand if u dont believe me this is my first post... so it isnt really realistic but i swere u it's real and u will probaly notice when i tell u how.
I will keep following this topic and keeping u in touch
Thx 4 reading this,
Frank
WHY DONT U TAKE YOUR BULL$HIT ELSEWHERE BUD.
FEON WAS NOTHING BUT A 12YEAR OLD ATTENTION SEEKING PRAT.
and if no one belives me, maybe you should all go over to the psp forums and check it out, or read up, or even post on there with the title "feon : should we belive him"
or anything to do with him.
this guy tried to string a lot of people along for ages about the psp hacks etc etc and it turned out to be bollox, apparently it was some human studies program or something.
if you dont belive me , check out PSP updates.
please please dont belive anything that this to$$er says.
i respect this forum, and have been visiting for a long time, we dont need people like this here.
i spent rather a long time browsing the psp forums, and irc and read all the shite this guy was spouting and people where believing him etc and it just turned out to be some 14 year old pre-pubescant spotty prick who didnt have any friends to give him the attention he needed.
ive even got this phot of the k-nob from last time, when someone posted it
and
ozpaul
keep up the good work bud, people like you need to get hold of a 360 and get crackin
Post by: Drunkn_Munky on December 08, 2005, 09:06:00 AM
Post by: thecheekymonkey on December 08, 2005, 09:32:00 AM
fairly long time since ive been on the site, but i do remember this cock
dont even take his info with a pinch of salt.
edit, chave a read of this thread, he`s mentioned in there.......err quite a lot.
http://forums.qj.net...ead.php?t=16611
Post by: Drunkn_Munky on December 08, 2005, 10:01:00 AM
NVM I've found a few mentions. I'll take your word for it. I guess I'd better ring that hitman I promised.
C.in-fvr3 some proof or even the actual tutorial might help this foen get the glory he supposedly should have got with his PSP dash.
Post by: thecheekymonkey on December 08, 2005, 10:28:00 AM
i dont want to start this into a flame war, but get a life and start posting on the ps3 forums , hey ill even give you a thread title
"foens new dashboard for PS3, working with videos to prove"
regards foen
Post by: Jefe1 on December 08, 2005, 03:54:00 PM
J.
Post by: Mick Garvey on December 09, 2005, 12:19:00 AM
Post by: DarkSky Forever on December 09, 2005, 10:14:00 AM
You just keep sitting in your tower, all 'high and mighty.'
The scene does not need fucks like you.
Post by: Innervisionsystems on December 09, 2005, 11:33:00 AM
Post by: Modderxtrordanare on December 10, 2005, 11:33:00 AM
1. This is bullshit
2. Llammas mod, he can only do pictures and music.
3. This is loads of bullshit
Now everyone, back on topic. Last two pages had nothing to do with thread. Thread starter even stated in title he was serious about doing this, and didn't want thread crappers.
So how much do we know exactly about the drive?
Post by: stampsm on December 10, 2005, 04:02:00 PM
Post by: C.in-fvr3 on December 10, 2005, 05:08:00 PM
I'll give u screens and the explanation then u will believe me, for now u can and may call me a bullshitter dumbass etc. but u will believe me at my next few posts!
Frank
Post by: KR4ZYMAN on December 10, 2005, 05:16:00 PM
Post by: Innervisionsystems on December 11, 2005, 12:58:00 AM
Post by: CraLiz on December 11, 2005, 06:10:00 AM
Post by: vyper883 on December 11, 2005, 10:47:00 AM
UPDATE:
I was reading ACRONIS' FAQ page and I also saw this:
"Does Acronis True Image 9.0 support computer hard disks with Linux file systems and Linux operating system?
Yes, it does. Acronis True Image 9.0 supports the following Linux file systems: Ext2, Ext3, ReiserFS, Reiser4, and Linux Swap. Acronis True Image 9.0 also works with any other unknown file system in special sector-by-sector mode. If the software cannot identify the file system, it simply creates an exact image of every sector on the disk."
I suppose at this point, the contents of the XBOX 360 HDD would be considered an "unknown file system", so it is very feasable that a true clone of the HDD can be made. Like I said in previous post, even if the data was copied succesfully, there may be other copyright protection mechanisms that we are unaware of. Nonetheless, those who have tried NORTON GHOST, and got nowhere, have nothing to lose by trying this. The software is fully functional for a whole month during the trial period. And BTW, NO! I don't work for ACRONIS! (just in case anyone decides to be a smartass, and flame me for trying to advertise). Just trying to add some possible solutions the the HDD upgrade Project. Cheers!
Post by: InterestedHacker on December 11, 2005, 12:47:00 PM
QUOTE(vyper883 @ Dec 11 2005, 07:54 PM)
UPDATE:
I was reading ACRONIS' FAQ page and I also saw this:
"Does Acronis True Image 9.0 support computer hard disks with Linux file systems and Linux operating system?
Yes, it does. Acronis True Image 9.0 supports the following Linux file systems: Ext2, Ext3, ReiserFS, Reiser4, and Linux Swap. Acronis True Image 9.0 also works with any other unknown file system in special sector-by-sector mode. If the software cannot identify the file system, it simply creates an exact image of every sector on the disk."
Sounds to me like there is no reason why that wouldn't work! The problem people may have is resizing the default partition.
ie. You backup a 20Gb drive, restore to a 300Gb drive, but the image is 20Gb, therefore 360 will format it to 20Gb... Someone needs to work out the partition format, and if it's encrypted, that's going to be hard / impossible.
Post by: Burgleflickle on December 12, 2005, 02:24:00 AM
if this software works to just clone a 360 hd, that would mean--if nothing has advanced in modding (extreme hypothetical)--when m$ comes out with the larger 80, or 120 gig drives, the possibility exists that we could now just clone them. This would also make picking up live marketplace goods from buddies easy.
Post by: InterestedHacker on December 12, 2005, 10:13:00 AM
QUOTE(StuMan1337 @ Dec 12 2005, 05:09 PM)
Assuming that there's nothing in the firmware that stops us from using another harddrive on the 360s, then we might be able to clone them. With regards to the part about the live marketplace stuff though, I think they might be signed in some way upon downloading them.
I think the only thing so far is the partition, with the filesystem, and the .PNG file that has the MS logo. So, if that mirroring software works, to do a byte for byte copy, then it should work.
Someone needs a spare 20Gb drive, that software, and to try just cloning the drive. From that point people can experiment modifying the partition / file system.
Post by: janrocks on December 12, 2005, 10:57:00 AM
Post by: PsylentGlo on December 14, 2005, 12:11:00 AM
QUOTE(XboxFAN33 @ Dec 12 2005, 04:40 PM)
The following was posted on free60 a few days ago:
The FATX partitions on the drive seem to be a Big Endian version of the 1st Generation XBOX's FATX filesystem. Work is underway to modify the linux kernel driver to verify this.
So, apparently the filesystem is FATX. Be sure to check http://www.free60.org/wiki/Harddrive because a lot of questions in this forum might be answered there.
ya know you should realy read b4 you post!! its been know for a long time now that there is indeed a fatx partition on the 360 hdd, however this is not the filesystem of the 360 hdd!! the 360 hdd filestructure is speculated to be identicle to that of the new windows vista system!! and further more the fatx partition on the hdd is the xbox emulator that the 360 uses to emulate the original xbox games!! thats why the 360 wont play xbox games without a hdd!! that particular partition that your speaking of is the only fatx partition on the 360 hdd!!!!
Post by: Drunkn_Munky on December 14, 2005, 08:18:00 AM
Post by: NarutoKun on December 14, 2005, 02:08:00 PM
but if i could somehow find a way to read/write files on the dump that would be cool.
anyone know if theres anything linux can do to read/write to a dump?
Post by: Drunkn_Munky on December 15, 2005, 02:52:00 AM
Post by: gsharpshooter on December 18, 2005, 07:53:00 AM
Post by: CattyKid on December 18, 2005, 02:48:00 PM
QUOTE(C.in-fvr3 @ Dec 18 2005, 12:53 PM)
If u checked good u could see that that is only for media and music u need to be able to save and load content on the hdd ass well
Frank
Yup, it's the same as a thumb drive/flash drive. It simply plugs into one of the USB ports.
Post by: andydahlen on December 23, 2005, 10:50:00 AM
Post by: C.in-fvr3 on December 23, 2005, 04:14:00 PM
Frank
Post by: Tharin2002 on December 23, 2005, 09:48:00 PM
Ok, now, to business. Unfortunately, I don't have a 360 yet so I'm relying on information gleaned off of Free60.org, XboxHacker.net, and here. If we can take a sector-by-sector dump and edit the resulting image with a hex-editor, we should be able to visually see the ~13GB of free space. Correct me if I'm wrong (still absorbing file-system info), but we should be able to "inject" free space into that image file, effectively creating a larger image to be re-written to a larger size HDD. Of course, this would only be feasible if a sector-by-sector dump can be re-written to a 20GB 3rd party HDD and work first.
Has anyway put a sector or hex dump of the hard-drive up on FTP or torrent yet? Alot of us without 360's still may be able to help by analyzing the contents. Also, I would really like to see both a pre-install and post-install dump of the HDD to see if any changes are made to the hard drive after it's first boot up in the 360. Please PM me if you know where this can be found, as it would make me feel much more useful than sitting around trying to guess this information
Post by: thecheekymonkey on December 24, 2005, 07:57:00 AM
ive tried alsorts, unless i use winhex as someone said to dump it.
if most of it is free space (i dont have anything installed on the hdd except for gamesaves) so i may be able to compress to a more reasonable size (not sure due to the sectors)
but gimme some tips and i`ll do what ever
Post by: andydahlen on December 24, 2005, 11:51:00 AM
To dumb the drive Just open winhex goto tools on the toolbar and click disk tools and clone to make a image of the drive it ends up being 20gigs and after a complete compression its around 2 gigs!!! If you have any questions thecheekymonkey feel free to pm me.
Post by: nateh90 on December 25, 2005, 12:12:00 PM
QUOTE(andydahlen @ Dec 24 2005, 07:58 PM)
Basicaly all you need to dump the drive is WinHex but it cost money. :-( But you can view your harddrive without a registered version.
To dumb the drive Just open winhex goto tools on the toolbar and click disk tools and clone to make a image of the drive it ends up being 20gigs and after a complete compression its around 2 gigs!!! If you have any questions thecheekymonkey feel free to pm me.
Can we see some proof that your method works or has anyone tried this and can confirm that this works?
Post by: MaTiAz on December 25, 2005, 02:45:00 PM
And we need external power for the hdd, as Free60 states the 15V is missing from the 360 drive connector.
Post by: ssj4android on December 28, 2005, 09:48:00 PM
2. Are Live arcade games playable only on the 360 you purchased them on? Or will it work if you put it in another 360?
3. I'm not understanding the whole 12v thing. The 360 hard drive works on less power than normal laptop drives? But it can work on normal power too?
4. Has anyone tried dd'ing a 360 drive onto a normal laptop drive and connected it to the 360?
Thanks.
Also, for those of you wanting an easy to use image program, I have used G4U when copying my laptop hard drive. It's a frontend for dd that compresses and uploads the disk image to a ftp server. BTW, maybe I should've reinstalled everything when copying my laptop hard drive, but I didn't feel like it).
Post by: kday on December 28, 2005, 11:59:00 PM
To duplicate the drive in linux:
dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb (replace letters with the correct drives)
If you don't have linux, you can download the Windows dd version 0.3 binary here.
To duplicate the drive in Windows:
dd if=//./physicaldrive0 of=//./physicaldrive1 (replace numbers with the correct drive #'s)
To find the correct drive numbers, right click on 'My Computer', 'Manage', 'Disk Management'.
I know this will work in linux and I'm pretty sure that's how to do it in Windows. I don't own a 360 so I can't try this out myself. If you need any help, I will try to answer your questions.
edit: You can use dd to create a drive img file too. I don't feel like explaining, so look it up.
Post by: Arakon on December 29, 2005, 10:27:00 AM
Two notes:
- when the HDD was set to "slave", it apparently didn't work on the sata adapter, the result was error 67.. I'd say that's the equal to the "Error 7" on the old box (HD not responding).
- the edges of the metal cage around the original HD are razor sharp, WATCH YOUR FINGERS... I have two quite deep cuts to show for it.
Post by: C.in-fvr3 on December 31, 2005, 05:02:00 AM
Frank
Post by: posiedon on December 31, 2005, 07:38:00 AM
i am working to get the banned ip from the psp update site (banned ips are public record) and when i do i will match it to the ip and C.in-fvr3 ip listed on this site and prove they are one and the same
but untill then i am going to keep quiet because i may be wrong
as for the topic at hand
people say ms will release a larger hdd in a few months
and when they do they are going to hand us the encryption key on a silver platter
you see the only diffrence between the 2 drives will be the size and partition values
so the only changes to the code will be the above
so if we find the 2 and map the diffrences not only will we be able rewrite portitions but we will also have the hdd encryption key with this we can encrypt codecs and media files so the xbox 360 will read them
this will work unless they use a diffrent model hdd in the larger version
but a larger hdd of the same brandname will yeild the encryption key
I HOPE (mind you this has about a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of working as that is an estimate of how many hdd types and sizes there are in existance)
Post by: CBR900rr on December 31, 2005, 07:21:00 PM
They sent me a replacement system (diff Ser #) with a new HD installed. Now I have a spare HD. I put the old HD on the new Xbox and ran it with no problems. The only thing is this, each time I power up the 360 I have to choose my profile and load of HD. That never happened when attached to original sys. I would just power on and play.
Small inconvenience but may be something important in hacking the HD code etc. I am hoping to load MP3s or MAME etc on the Xtra HD and do something like that etc.
Post by: Drunkn_Munky on January 03, 2006, 06:12:00 AM
Post by: posiedon on January 04, 2006, 01:32:00 AM
and let my words below about C.in-fvr3 be the last ones, before a moderator closes this topic and all the info in this thread is lost
there are a lot of important people in this topic so i would hate to see it go
The following is addressed to C.in-fvr3
C.in-fvr3 please see my avitar for what to do with yourself
i can tell you are a liar because of 2 reasons
#1 you are only active in this thread
if you were here legit you would be active in other topics
i can count on one hand the number of people who were only active in 1 topic, every one of them got banned for some reason or another
#2 your ip is the exact same as foens except for the last number in it
this means you are close to the banned computer from the psp update site (within 1 city block)
even though you are using a diffrent computer i can still prove it is you
you still have time to salvage your reputation on this site
so come back when you have solid info from a reliable source backed by pictures and proof
and get you head out of your ass
Post by: Thyatis on January 05, 2006, 08:06:00 AM
Post by: constanboi on January 05, 2006, 06:48:00 PM
QUOTE
I spoke to foen again (he was on holiday so long time no see) and next week i will see him in real life, and he will get the non MS hard drive working on my xbox 360 so next week u will hear from me, until then plz respect and stop flaming him.
Frank
p.s. probally getting his dashboard for psp then as well i will post screens to u all here then or at pspupdates.com
its been 6 days.... i call bs...
edit: quoted wrong message :/
Post by: posiedon on January 05, 2006, 08:19:00 PM
THIS IS A TOPIC ABOUT ADDING A LARGER HDD IN PLACE OF THE STOCK DRIVE
Post by: Winberg on January 08, 2006, 10:04:00 PM
QUOTE(cpuengineer @ Jan 8 2006, 11:57 AM)
Adding a larger hard drive for movies/pictures is as easy as swapping usb components on to the xbox360.
However, stuff like xbox live and game saves are locked to only specific forms of USB hardware. Whenever a usb device is plug into an xbox 360 (or any cpu for that matter) the device sends its device id, USB speed, and description to the xbox console. Chances are that MS's xbox 360 has some sort of challenge response. If you have taken any sort of Data Communications classes its sort of like the CHAP protocol. I think the xbox is sending its serial id to the device ,and the MS's usb hard drive/memory card sends a challenge response based on its "key" back to the xbox. THIS IS GONNA BE A HARDWARE CRACK and not software. I love linux ,but you can only get so far with it. Hardware engineers can virtually lock out most forms of software hacks when done right.
^-----This information is based upon hooking up a usb analyzer between the hard drive and two xbox 360's.
*cough* I have yet to see somebody post their findings with a usb analyzer. I am starting to wonder about the ppl on this forum...
The responses are between the two xboxes are both similar and alike. (After sending the same device ID, speed, parity,device descriptions,and etc. There seems to be some junk near the end that seems to be a security feature. I don't know how long it is in bytes but it seems almost impossible to break... Its kinda hard to crack a key with an analyzer that costs a ton of money...)
My advice. Wait till someone gets laid off and so pissed off at MS that they are willing to break their IP disclosure with MS.
um hey buddy the 360 drive is connected via Sata not usb. also i think your flat out lost and completly wrong on your thoughts.
Post by: mr. newbie on January 16, 2006, 05:30:00 AM
I recently opened the Xbox 360 hard drive to find a cheap Samsung 20 GB Serial ATA notebook hard drive. I took a ghost image of the hard drive, threw it on my computer using the motherboard (which is SATA compatible). I then went to CompUSA and bought a Serial ATA Western Digital 200 GB Notebook Hard drive and plugged that into the computer and uploaded the image, which was only 18.33 MB. Afterward, I connected it to the specially made SATA cable, and boom - I have 200 GB storage for my Xbox 360! This voids the old hard drive, but please pass it on that 20 GB is not enough!
This post has been edited by mr. newbie: Jan 16 2006, 01:31 PM
Post by: Drunkn_Munky on January 16, 2006, 09:10:00 AM
Post by: mr. newbie on January 16, 2006, 04:44:00 PM
Post by: Rymez on January 17, 2006, 01:29:00 AM
So I fail to believe a 200Gb drive is working in a 360.
This post has been edited by Rymez: Jan 17 2006, 09:31 AM
Post by: trey85stang on January 17, 2006, 01:49:00 AM
QUOTE(Arakon @ Dec 29 2005, 06:34 PM)
I just tried out a Maxtor IDE HDD connected to an abit "serillel 2" SATA->IDE adapter, with a "dd" full clone of my 360 HD on it (non-virgin).. the 360 won't even recognize that it's there. Doesn't show up under memory either. So MS either modified the firmware, or there's a serial/model lockout on the 360.. a straight clone does NOT work.
Two notes:
- when the HDD was set to "slave", it apparently didn't work on the sata adapter, the result was error 67.. I'd say that's the equal to the "Error 7" on the old box (HD not responding).
- the edges of the metal cage around the original HD are razor sharp, WATCH YOUR FINGERS... I have two quite deep cuts to show for it.
Curious, can you mount the image with the fatx or the linux driver that has been created?
Post by: Murderwon on January 17, 2006, 06:17:00 PM
Post by: mikedavis2838 on January 17, 2006, 07:21:00 PM
Post by: posiedon on January 18, 2006, 08:01:00 AM
the only way to use all of a drives space is to edit the partition code wich is impossable unless you know your units encryption code (wich is diffrent for every unit)
i call bs on what you did but even if you did dump the contents on a larger drive what you did is useless because you can only use 20gb
wich is just as usefull as hot swapping because you need the original disc to startup
and if you could change the parameters it would invalidate the lockdown encryption key and the unit would not be able to read the drive
This post has been edited by posiedon: Jan 18 2006, 04:03 PM
Post by: bonevichio on January 18, 2006, 11:33:00 AM
QUOTE(posiedon @ Jan 18 2006, 04:08 PM)
even if you copied the hash, data, and the encryption key the partition would still be set at 20gb
the only way to use all of a drives space is to edit the partition code wich is impossable unless you know your units encryption code (wich is diffrent for every unit)
i call bs on what you did but even if you did dump the contents on a larger drive what you did is useless because you can only use 20gb
wich is just as usefull as hot swapping because you need the original disc to startup
and if you could change the parameters it would invalidate the lockdown encryption key and the unit would not be able to read the drive
How about if YOU (authorized repair dealer) - were to use the so called programmer and boot disk to enable the safe mode? I know we cannot do this without your help because of your disclosure and inability to make the CD available (you would probably end up in jail). But - theoretically could you connect the programmer w/boot CD from M$ (which you will not distribute) and a 200 gig HD (from compusa) connected instead of the usual 20 gig - could you make the 200 gig work? Could we build a programmer and a boot CD ourselves and make this work?
Post by: shakaru on January 20, 2006, 11:57:00 PM
QUOTE(bonevichio @ Jan 18 2006, 07:40 PM)
How about if YOU (authorized repair dealer) - were to use the so called programmer and boot disk to enable the safe mode? I know we cannot do this without your help because of your disclosure and inability to make the CD available (you would probably end up in jail). But - theoretically could you connect the programmer w/boot CD from M$ (which you will not distribute) and a 200 gig HD (from compusa) connected instead of the usual 20 gig - could you make the 200 gig work? Could we build a programmer and a boot CD ourselves and make this work?
Because
A) There are NO "Authorized Repair Dealers"
Why would you need a "safe mode" if there is a virtual machine?C) If there was a programer, ms would never let it out of the factory because if it can write ANY ammount of data, it the xbox is cracked easily.
Post by: DarkLabel on January 23, 2006, 06:40:00 PM
QUOTE(shakaru @ Jan 21 2006, 08:04 AM)
Because
A) There are NO "Authorized Repair Dealers"
Why would you need a "safe mode" if there is a virtual machine?C) If there was a programer, ms would never let it out of the factory because if it can write ANY ammount of data, it the xbox is cracked easily.
If all your saying is true, how will MS change stuff like a new DVD Drive and such?
Post by: posiedon on January 23, 2006, 10:32:00 PM
QUOTE(DarkLabel @ Jan 23 2006, 08:47 PM)
If all your saying is true, how will MS change stuff like a new DVD Drive and such?
simple ms dumps the data from the firmware then installs that to a new drive
and if the firmware is lost then they retrieve it from the lpc ports
(each bus runs a seperate code) when these 3 are combined with some program you get the master key for that specific unit
and that is converted into the unique firmware to enable a dvd drive to work with only that unit
Post by: HomieJK1 on January 28, 2006, 10:10:00 AM
Post by: lukecalypso on February 03, 2006, 09:42:00 AM
chip number ID on Hitachi Travelstar model: HTS541020G9SA00
u3= 25fv055
u6= 593c 668
u1= m37a56s0B-4400KP
u4= s6416AHTA-6BEH
U5= TLS 2291A
i hope it'll be useful to find eprom with HD info
LukeZ
This post has been edited by lukecalypso: Feb 3 2006, 05:42 PM
Post by: whyte on February 04, 2006, 02:58:00 PM
Post by: BlueCop on February 05, 2006, 11:24:00 AM
Post by: TWiST on February 05, 2006, 06:35:00 PM
Espicalley when the board freaks out and posts my msg twice... haha guess I shouldnt of said anything at all.
Post by: Drunkn_Munky on February 07, 2006, 07:24:00 AM
Post by: C.in-fvr3 on February 27, 2006, 11:44:00 AM
First off i apologize for the fact that i havent said anything here for a long time, but however i have news now. I havent post here because when i said 3 weeks i get it bla bla foen wnet offline and didnt return my emails anymore. Like many of u already do i then also started to question if he really had the stuff. now about many weeks later i started planning to track him so i could speak with him again. after making a new msn and finally be able to see his email online i spoke with his girlfriend and that explained all. he left for work to china 5-6 weeks ago (when we lost contact) and hell be back after 3 weeks. My email was muted and behind it it said note: have to email him, this means that i will have news of him when he sends the email (his girlfriend will telll him by phone that i requested so) or else when he returns after 3 weeks.
I can also tell u that he has succesfully burned a 360 game and can boot it on his xbox 360. (or from his sata hard drive i dont know that for sure)
I told this before and with the last thing i said here many more will say THIS IS FAKE U TALK BULLSHIT HE HAS NOT GOT SHIT. U cant believe that, u cna think that, but plz to not make this topic a flaming one dont say that.
In 3-4 weeks u will here from me again because then i spoke to foen and then ill tell u wether he will or will not pulish his hacks and if he does where u can find it
Plz be patient as i have been for a very long time now.
Greetings,
Frank
Post by: Angerwound on February 27, 2006, 12:50:00 PM
Secondly, this is a larger hdd project threads, not somewhere for you to gloat about your special 'buddy' that has pirated 360 games running. Before you claim anything you better have some real technical details backing up your claims, otherwise you WILL recieve posts from people like this.
Post by: krayzie on February 27, 2006, 01:38:00 PM
QUOTE(C.in-fvr3 @ Feb 27 2006, 09:25 PM)
Allright then if that is what u whish then i wont post here again until i have details
Have a nice day,
Frank
Uhhmmmm.....no......The point is this is a Technical Hardrive forum. That means it's not intended for your dumb friend with his messed up fantasies.
Better not post again at all about this nonsense. And if you do somehow feel the urge post about it do not do it in here but in the general forums as this clearly has nothing to do with harddrives.
Post by: deltop on February 28, 2006, 03:40:00 AM
QUOTE(C.in-fvr3 @ Feb 28 2006, 12:17 PM)
If u had read my previous posts before calling me names i said he also succeeded to use a 120 gb sata hard drive with his xbox 360 so i think that does make it ontopic doesnt it?
Do you have some kind of reading difficultly? The forums are clearly stated to be TECHNICAL forums. ie. don't post unless you have some rather specific information. Of course we all know your just a troll by now and I'm very surprised the moderators haven't banned you yet.
Post by: constanboi on February 28, 2006, 07:47:00 AM
QUOTE(C.in-fvr3 @ Feb 28 2006, 12:17 PM)
If u had read my previous posts before calling me names i said he also succeeded to use a 120 gb sata hard drive with his xbox 360 so i think that does make it ontopic doesnt it?
... whats the point? seriously?
the scene doesnt need "my friend did this" and "my friend did that".. but "i'll only have proof in 3 years time"...............
seriously.. if it really is true.. then you should have NEVER spoken of it until you have proof... no one wants to read rumours about the friend of a friend....... its just that simple.. this thread is for teachnical talk about the harddrive.. not bogus rumours.. so please... dont return until your next contribution includes technical information..... otherwise, you're just wasting your and our time.....
Post by: ownagesbot on March 09, 2006, 10:52:00 AM
I think the 2nd partition is used for the emulation, the reason being, when you format your HD, it formats the first partition, and keeps your emulator
Post by: viper023 on April 09, 2006, 05:36:00 AM
on the psp, when you want to downgrade from 2.0 to 1.5, there are files that you put on the memory stick for the operation. to get the downgrade started, i remember highlighting an image file. as soon as i highlighted that image, no buttons were pushed, it started the downgrader. could we use this setup for the 360. maybe with the external hard drive onlying reading .mp3s and pictures.
also another idea, i was looking at two xbox 360 offical magazines. in one of them it states that the 360 hard drives are meant to play on every 360 system. (yes we already knew this).
in the other magazine, it comes with a dvd that can play in both xbox and xbox 360. any way we could use this this.
again only ideas, im a noob when it comes to this stuff but i love the modding community.
Post by: ryankenn on December 18, 2006, 10:54:00 AM
QUOTE(TheSpecialist @ Nov 24 2005, 05:55 PM)
Wow, that would be great news !
Something else: Since partition magic recognizes the HD, isn't there some software that can read it at low level ? Some tool that could read every bit and make a dump of the HD contents ? I'd really love to know if such dump would contain unencrypted ASCII contents like directory contents etc.
Something like this:
http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/
Can someone try something like this ? It would (hopefully) give us great insight in the filestructure, which could eventually lead to the development of software to read (and write) it on a 'higher' level.
Post by: ryankenn on December 18, 2006, 01:12:00 PM
Second, reading through a bunch of other threads I came across this review of the XBOX360 USB Xecuter device. From what they are showing/saying near the bottom, you can easily connect you HDD via this cable and using the Xplorer software show it browsing the HDD files/folders like a normal drive. They also state you can swap files to and from this. Is this correct???
If this is the case couldn't this interface be used to extract a clone from the HDD outside of using WINHEX?
XBOX 360 USB
Post by: sentinel0 on December 18, 2006, 06:31:00 PM
Post by: ecko240sxi on January 01, 2007, 07:18:00 PM
Post by: Deadlock281 on January 04, 2007, 01:07:00 PM
Couldn't you use one of the various Xbox 360 Hard Drive to PC (USB) adapters on the market (or connect hard drive directly); then copy the system files to a new, larger hard drive; and then use the new, larger hard drive??? After switching them out of the hard drive enclosure of course.
Or is the hard drive partitioned into two sections, 14GB and 6GB, where the system files are encrypted and hidden on the 6GB partition?
Post by: ecko240sxi on January 04, 2007, 10:17:00 PM
Post by: andi_06 on January 05, 2007, 02:23:00 AM
Post by: Krozking on January 05, 2007, 11:55:00 AM
I have a hardware imager (Logicube Sonix) that will do 100% copies of just about anything. I have a feeling that this would work without a problem! Once the image is completed all that would be left would be to take the new drive and use partition magic to resize it. This is required because using the 100% function on the imager will make the new drive looks like it's a 20Gb drive even though it's really a 100Gb drive. I don't have an 360 yet but I will be getting one soon. When I do, I will try this and let you all know if it works....unless someone has tried it already.
Post by: ImagineMicro on January 09, 2007, 12:16:00 PM
-- The xb360 boots up normally weather or not the dvd rom drive is hooked up via the SATA cable or not. All it needs is the DVD rom power cable to be hooked up. It doesn't care if the SATA cable is hooked up. So does this mean that the key is being read via the power cable?
Now my idea or question is whether or not it would be possible to hook up a SATA hard drive to the SATA DVD cable and have that hard drive emulate a DVD ROM drive using some sort of software or hacked xex file? When you close the actual DVD drive it reads the data from the hard drive. Say a 200 gig with a launcher or even a game executable?
I hope you undertstand what I am getting at. If not please ask.
Post by: Dravor on January 16, 2007, 11:43:00 AM
QUOTE(ImagineMicro @ Jan 9 2007, 08:23 PM)
OK... I've had this crazy ass idea for a few days now. I'm gonna throw it out there and see what kind of responses I get. I don't know if anyone has come up with this idea already so sorry if this has been discussed already. I'll start with the following assumption:
-- The xb360 boots up normally weather or not the dvd rom drive is hooked up via the SATA cable or not. All it needs is the DVD rom power cable to be hooked up. It doesn't care if the SATA cable is hooked up. So does this mean that the key is being read via the power cable?
Now my idea or question is whether or not it would be possible to hook up a SATA hard drive to the SATA DVD cable and have that hard drive emulate a DVD ROM drive using some sort of software or hacked xex file? When you close the actual DVD drive it reads the data from the hard drive. Say a 200 gig with a launcher or even a game executable?
I hope you undertstand what I am getting at. If not please ask.
Well, the harder thing I imagine would be that you'd have to make the hard drive look like a DVD drive in terms of checksum of the firmware as well. You'd also need the launcher of some sort as well. We can't currently even create an extended size drive until MS releases a bigger drive and we can see that image. As good as MS has been in making this console hack proof for the most part <aside from our firmware flash hack> I doubt it's a possibility until someone finds a way to hack the kernel.
Post by: sincere360360 on January 16, 2007, 01:33:00 PM
to get a non ms-hd to be recognize by the 360. He's had succes faking the bios, changing the model number and serial number and also modding the sector count. That is everything that is needed to mod the HDD in order for the 360 to accept it. It was on a ide drive so now he's waiting on sata drive that he ordered with the same chipset that he needs. If he is succesfull when he gets the other drive, he is going to realease a tool that he is going to create to automate the process. I would post link link but I'm not sure if it's allow.
Post by: No_Name on January 16, 2007, 01:50:00 PM
Another hack attempt from The Specalist which may lead somewhere.
Post by: jaimebenlasnow on January 16, 2007, 02:47:00 PM
QUOTE(No_Name @ Jan 16 2007, 03:57 PM)
The post is on www.xboxhacker.net and yes it allowed
Another hack attempt from The Specalist which may lead somewhere.
Sorry but this will not need somewhere it will just give people the chance to have any sata drive but the sata HDD would still look 20GB..It will not lead to homebrew and will just retard the homebrew scene another time!! just like dvd hacking did!!
Post by: spicydeath82 on December 02, 2007, 05:58:00 PM
Post by: barthautala on December 06, 2007, 05:02:00 PM
QUOTE(spicydeath82 @ Dec 3 2007, 02:34 AM)
has any body replaced the stock drive in the case with an 2.5 inch laptop drive, then used the elite transfer cable on it? the one you get for free from microsoft to transfer all your data from you old hard drive to the newer larger one? just a thought.
That wont work. Youre still not tricking the xbox into thinking its an original drive.
Im sure this information is hosted in the box itself in flash mem. I think maybe the xbox sends a message to the drive asking for the key everyone keeps talking about. So I think the only way to get a larger drive is to hack some file on the box AND decipher the difference betweens keys on the 20gb vs the 120gb and make an educated guess as to what the key would be for say a 220gb hdd and get those files onto the new hard drive. Follow?
Im positive that a new genuine 300gb hdd from MS wouldnt work on a 360 without an update from MS.
I dont quite have access to any of those files or Id hex compare them myself.
Post by: Boobers on April 29, 2008, 07:03:00 AM
QUOTE(InterestedHacker @ Dec 11 2005, 04:23 PM)
Sounds to me like there is no reason why that wouldn't work! The problem people may have is resizing the default partition.
ie. You backup a 20Gb drive, restore to a 300Gb drive, but the image is 20Gb, therefore 360 will format it to 20Gb... Someone needs to work out the partition format, and if it's encrypted, that's going to be hard / impossible.
The problem I am running into with ACRONIS is that it won't clone a drive that it reads as EMPTY.
And, when I put on a fully functional XBOX 360 Drive on my Winblows XP workstation, it's reported as EMPTY in everything but Xplorer360
B
Post by: hiPotion on February 03, 2020, 08:41:00 PM
I'm trying to order one through work but none of the suppliers state anything about BEVS.
EDIT: "WD1200BEVS", is this the correct model?
This post has been edited by hiPotion: Today, 04:48 AM
Post by: X-hacker on June 01, 2008, 10:09:00 AM
QUOTE(hiPotion @ May 31 2008, 04:41 AM)
How available are these 120GB BEVS drives? All are Scorpios this model or is there a difference?
I'm trying to order one through work but none of the suppliers state anything about BEVS.
EDIT: "WD1200BEVS", is this the correct model?
yeh, this is the right one
Post by: d-2-d on June 04, 2008, 04:20:00 PM
Post by: xbox_mallia on July 09, 2008, 05:05:00 PM
QUOTE(d-2-d @ Jun 4 2008, 11:56 PM)
So from what I read you can't just pop in a new hard drive unless its from microsoft? This tottaly sucks becuase sata drives are soo cheap now and so large!!!! Correct me if i'm wrong please....
unfortunately you are correct, however, you can use the specialists HDD tool and get a cheaper WD BEVS drive (WD1200BEVS for example), this would give you a 120GB drive much cheaper than from M$, however you'd still need a hdd enclosure or internalise it.
Just out of interest, has anyone tried conncting a sata drive (M$ or other) to the DVD drive sata cable ??
I cant afford a 360 hard drive at the moment, so cant try myself, might hook up a spare 80gb hdd to it just to see if it does anything at all, warrantys not that important
First post in around about 6 months, good to be back
Post by: grimdoomer on July 15, 2008, 03:59:00 PM
Post by: raven_5x on July 23, 2008, 01:00:00 AM
QUOTE(grimdoomer @ Jul 15 2008, 05:35 PM)
I haven't read all the posts hear, but I'll tell you this. On the 360 HDD there is the deviceId, serial number, and firmware version of that HDD. Then some generic data, then a 2048 bit RSA signature of all that. Im not sure yet, but I think only MS has the private key. I dont think the 360 would issue a new DeviceId when formatting, but I could be wrong. If someone could make a backup of their HDD then format and back up again, I could eassily tell you if we can sign HDD's or not. But I would assume we can't as MS would make sure there are'nt any 2 of the same deviceId's out there. I've been looking through the kernel and I haven't even found so much as a verification proccess on hard drives. This leads me to belive we cant sign HDD's and the verification proccess are stored in the hypervisior.
So does that mean that we can risk an XBL ban on our console/user after doing this upgrade???