Post by: Xbox-Scene on August 04, 2009, 09:58:00 AM
| A version of Team HyperX's ixtreme has been released to support the new LiteOn 83850c revision... IXtreme fw for Liteon 83850c drives! Happy third anniversary for the xbox360 fw and despite all attempts we are still here, flashing fw, after several ban waves and several drives including the mighty LITEON we have triumphed! It is a testiment to all involved on how far we have come and the massive teamwork it has required. Thanks go to all involved and here's to the next three years! At the moment the only way to get your key data is through the foundmy.com method. At this time we have no alternative solution. Props to foundmy for providing a solution. Team HyperX will keep working to find a alternative solution! Please note that in order to mod the current liteon you must retrive the key data from the drive. The only solution to that at the moment is here at foundmy.com It appears Team HyperX is atleast working on a solution. Lets hope for the best, but for the moment there is only one method. We have many confirmed reports of successful purchases from foundmy and have not seen any issues relating to the processing of key's. It is currently recommended by THX to NOT cross spoof between 7x and 8x LiteOn (rev1/rev2) drives! A version of JungleFlasher(info)(info)(info) will be released in the next 24 hours to support the new ixtreme. Official Site: n/a (by Team HyperX) Download: n/a (May be illegal under EULA/DMCA) News-Source: xbins.org |
Post by: Iriez on August 04, 2009, 10:02:00 AM
QUOTE(RRoD420 @ Aug 4 2009, 11:13 AM) 
yeah they contacted foundmy.com and said lets make some money for the next few weeks
I want to make this CRYSTAL clear.
Unless I, or a representative of Team HyperX makes a public statement that they are working together with foundmy, I WILL NOT allow this conspiracy theory bullshit to clog these threads. This is for the discussion of ixtreme and the processing of key's through foundmy.....nothing more. Remember my avatar. Your posting ability here is a privilege, not a right.
And anyone who accuses me of "taking money", I would like to point out a simple fact:
I have been running higher aspects of this scene for roughly 9 years now. I have committed every aspect of my resources, my time, my labor, my services....for free. I have never taken a penny, and I have given what would likely equate to well over a $100,000 worth of time, labor, bandwith and services in the pursuant of my hobby.
Even if I was being paid to "promote" foundmy or their services, I would say my actions would be well justified considering my services to this community.
HOWEVER, I have not taken a single penny. I support the usage of foundmy for a simple reason: It exists and is the only solution. When you are being attacked my 4 people you dont just give up and let them pound you. No, you keep swinging and hope for the best. Regardless of ethics, morality or anything else involved with this process, I will support their services until there is a overwhelmingly viable reason to not do so.
And Team HyperX is NOT involved with foundmy. There were alternative solutions that the team considered doing, but at the moment this is the fastest, cheapest and easiest way to mod the current LiteOn.
Post by: legssmit on August 04, 2009, 10:04:00 AM
But for me the best news is that the team is working on an alternative solution to get the key...so we just gotta be patient I guess
Post by: fatc2k3 on August 04, 2009, 10:10:00 AM
Post by: logicwatch on August 04, 2009, 10:12:00 AM
go for it guys !!
Post by: ghaladream on August 04, 2009, 10:14:00 AM
Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on August 04, 2009, 10:18:00 AM
Post by: logicwatch on August 04, 2009, 10:32:00 AM
QUOTE(deluxe247 @ Aug 4 2009, 05:15 PM) 
This man knows his shit. Also, I lol at still no Hitachi 1.6.
I think hitachi 1.6 is not coming as there have been more pressing matters !
Post by: amexie on August 04, 2009, 10:47:00 AM
they must be working together firmware comes out day after key extracted
cause now they will sell alot more with out this firmware they wouldn't of sold that many
but good on them if they are they got to make a living somehow
This post has been edited by amexie: Aug 4 2009, 05:51 PM
Post by: BoNg420 on August 04, 2009, 10:57:00 AM
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Releasing this firmware without a way to get the key is like putting a horny naked chick in front of you and saying DON'T TOUCH.
Everyone's best bet is to avoid foundmy.com like the plague. They can barely keep up with shipping out items they sell, I don't know how he could keep up with the key requests.
What I recommend everyone doing is boycotting foundmy.com service and wait for a free alternative to come around. If you really want to throw your money around send THX $5-20 or something but don't give it to Terry or whatever from foundmy.com he can kiss the fattest part of my ass. He made me lose 3 customers one time because I was waiting on Wii chips to come that NEVER SHIPPED. I had to file a chargeback to get my money back and that took time and phone calls and such.
So avoid foundmy.com and force him to lower his price or someone to put out a free way of getting the keys from these drives.
I will admit foundmy.com was a reliable site at one time, but they have gone down hill to much to trust them with this service.
This post has been edited by BoNg420: Aug 4 2009, 06:11 PM
Post by: Jbasto on August 04, 2009, 11:02:00 AM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Aug 4 2009, 12:57 PM)
Releasing this firmware without a way to get the key is like putting a horny naked chick in front of you and saying DON'T TOUCH.
LMAO !!!! Very true.
But i will have to wait to we all get a better solution would mind given THX the $42 and let them release it like every other method they have put out.
Lets just hope THX delivers once again.
Post by: Traviss63 on August 04, 2009, 11:15:00 AM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Aug 4 2009, 09:57 AM)
First must give props to THX for another great job....
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Releasing this firmware without a way to get the key is like putting a horny naked chick in front of you and saying DON'T TOUCH.
Everyone's best bet is to avoid foundmy.com like the plague. They can barely keep up with shipping out items they sell, I don't know how he could keep up with the key requests.
What I recommend everyone doing is boycotting foundmy.com service and wait for a free alternative to come around. If you really want to throw your money around send THX $5-20 or something but don't give it to Terry or whatever from foundmy.com he can kiss the fattest part of my ass. He made me lose 3 customers one time because I was waiting on Wii chips to come that NEVER SHIPPED. I had to file a chargeback to get my money back and that took time and phone calls and such.
So avoid foundmy.com and force him to lower his price or someone to put out a free way of getting the keys from these drives.
I will admit foundmy.com was a reliable site at one time, but they have gone down hill to much to trust them with this service.
Preach Brother, Preach! Viva La Revolucion!
Post by: HOMiE7 on August 04, 2009, 11:17:00 AM
Post by: chessmastor on August 04, 2009, 11:25:00 AM
Post by: 23bobbyg on August 04, 2009, 11:36:00 AM
Post by: jt1 on August 04, 2009, 11:48:00 AM
Can somone explain why THX can't adopt the same method of key decryption. Its been declared as 'nothing new'. So how can he survive providing this 'illegal' service and charge for it; if the reason is that THX is afraid becsaue of legal implications?
If it is a partnership, why don't you just announce it?
QUOTE
Props to foundmy for cracking the key encryption and providing a solution. Team HyperX will keep working to find a alternative solution!
Post by: PornOH on August 04, 2009, 12:02:00 PM
Post by: harrytasker on August 04, 2009, 12:10:00 PM
QUOTE(PornOH @ Aug 4 2009, 08:02 PM)
Great news. Waiting patiently now..
Yep great news, keep up the good work THX
Post by: Geen Rommel on August 04, 2009, 12:16:00 PM
QUOTE(Xbox-Scene @ Aug 4 2009, 05:58 PM)
At the moment the only way to get your key data is through the foundmy.com method. At this time we have no alternative solution. Props to foundmy for providing a solution. Team HyperX will keep working to find a alternative solution!
Why giving props to 1 shop in your readme when there are other shops selling it too now?
What happened to the alternative solution u guys already had, got it sold?
Post by: sancho_panza on August 04, 2009, 12:17:00 PM
QUOTE(amexie @ Aug 4 2009, 06:47 PM)
if they havn't found a soultion does that mean they had to pay the 42$ to get the key for the drives they tried
they must be working together firmware comes out day after key extracted
cause now they will sell alot more with out this firmware they wouldn't of sold that many
but good on them if they are they got to make a living somehow
They don't have "releasable" solution, which does not mean they don't have solutions at all.
In other words they are saying that putting the solution they have public, they would be in jail in no time (and throw the key away, err... not the liteon key...!)
Post by: Cisk on August 04, 2009, 12:28:00 PM
Im pretty sure M$ will be more pissed that theirs a website making $42 a pop.
Post by: Exobex on August 04, 2009, 12:32:00 PM
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Post by: PornOH on August 04, 2009, 12:45:00 PM
QUOTE(Exobex @ Aug 4 2009, 11:32 AM) 
I wonder how much the keys would've cost if the answer to life, the universe and everything was 20 instead of 42?
(click here if confused)
Maybe they just like getting high.
Post by: Iriez on August 04, 2009, 12:48:00 PM
QUOTE(fatc2k3 @ Aug 4 2009, 11:10 AM)
Thanks Team but whats with "At this time we have no alternative solution" i thought that THX had already stated "but at the very worst we have a work-around if all known backdoors are disabled"??
There are very few options in regards to getting information from the 83850c. It would be only in the most dire situation (absolutely no other solutions possible) that we might consider releasing these options.
Understand it from this perspective:
When you have a piece of hardware that has only 1 hole in it, by releasing that solution to the public you are handing the manufacturer a means to fix it. The next release of hardware, that hole is now fixed, and we went from "1" to "0". You understand that then there is NO way to hack it, right?
This is the scenario with the LiteOn....and a scenario in several other 360 related projects I've been involved with. By committing secrets to the public we are slowly but surely choking ourselves to death. It is a cat and mouse game, and the victor is the person who secures the hardware at the end. We help them secure the hardware with every hack released.
So in this instance we have a alternative solution that is viable. Yes, it costs money....but whats more important is this: YOU CAN MOD IT.
The end result is what is important.
So understand the phrase "in the very worst" .........We are NOT "in the very worst" right now. And if you think that paying a vendor for a service is "the very worst" then you, or anyone else who expresses that opinion....is not worthy of even one second of my time or thoughts. You are simply so absolutely pathetic and cheap that it is my feeling that you should be wiped off this planet. The worst case scenario (in this scene) will ALWAYS be "It cannot be done". If anyone thinks different....I feel sorry for anyone that has to deal with you in your life.
QUOTE(RRoD420 @ Aug 4 2009, 11:13 AM)
yeah they contacted foundmy.com and said lets make some money for the next few weeks
I want to make this CRYSTAL clear.
Unless I, or a representative of Team HyperX makes a public statement that they are working together with foundmy, I WILL NOT allow this conspiracy theory bullshit to clog these threads. This is for the discussion of ixtreme and the processing of key's through foundmy.....nothing more. Remember my avatar. Your posting ability here is a privilege, not a right.
Post by: PornOH on August 04, 2009, 12:52:00 PM
THX -could- copy foundmy.com by doing the same thing, assuming they have a way of getting the key from the files sent to foundmy.com. And then, they could undercut them, and profit. The main problem for us modders is that the usual cost of modding someone's box (craigslist) is 40-50 bucks. Adding $42 that just makes it less worth-while to even mod people's xbox's.
As many have said, they would rather pay the people who develop the firmware than the people who try to take advantage of the ones who do.
Regardless, I am happy with waiting... in the mean time, I debate on returning my recently purchased arcade system or doing a swap for hopefully an older stock.
This post has been edited by PornOH: Aug 4 2009, 07:54 PM
Post by: Iriez on August 04, 2009, 12:57:00 PM
QUOTE(ghaladream @ Aug 4 2009, 11:14 AM)
Just be patient people. I'm sure an alternate method of getting the key from the 83850c will be found eventually. At least we have iX for it now, so the drive isn't 100% useless anymore.
The key word in this post is "eventually".
And likely that "eventually" will be after the 83850c's are out of production. I would not hold my breath.
Post by: Iriez on August 04, 2009, 01:05:00 PM
QUOTE(amexie @ Aug 4 2009, 11:47 AM)
if they havn't found a soultion does that mean they had to pay the 42$ to get the key for the drives they tried
they must be working together firmware comes out day after key extracted
cause now they will sell alot more with out this firmware they wouldn't of sold that many
but good on them if they are they got to make a living somehow
It has been stated numerous times that we have our own mean's to a end. What can be accomplished in private might not necessarily be feasibly accomplished by end users. No, THX does not pay foundmy money to beta test.
There are different way's of accomplishing this process. Would everyone prefer to install a modchip on their 83850c instead?
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Aug 4 2009, 11:57 AM)
First must give props to THX for another great job....
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Releasing this firmware without a way to get the key is like putting a horny naked chick in front of you and saying DON'T TOUCH.
Everyone's best bet is to avoid foundmy.com like the plague. They can barely keep up with shipping out items they sell, I don't know how he could keep up with the key requests.
What I recommend everyone doing is boycotting foundmy.com service and wait for a free alternative to come around. If you really want to throw your money around send THX $5-20 or something but don't give it to Terry or whatever from foundmy.com he can kiss the fattest part of my ass. He made me lose 3 customers one time because I was waiting on Wii chips to come that NEVER SHIPPED. I had to file a chargeback to get my money back and that took time and phone calls and such.
So avoid foundmy.com and force him to lower his price or someone to put out a free way of getting the keys from these drives.
I will admit foundmy.com was a reliable site at one time, but they have gone down hill to much to trust them with this service.
There's one simple fact that makes your entire statement false.
There IS a way to get the key. So your comparison was highly inaccurate. Now, if you have a opinion as to the efficiency of the shop processing the keys, then that is fine.
But to take that opinion and make it so strong that it erases facts? Sorry, thats ridiculous.
As I've stated before, there are wholesaler options. I've already seen one reseller sell a few keys. If your so worried about foundmy's services, perhaps you should speak to your preferable mod shop and ask them to become a reseller. It seems to me that that route would be the more appropriate and mature way to handle this than "starting a boycott" to the people that have brought the ONLY solution to the problem right now. If they want to charge too much for it, that is their right.
But either way your proposal is only hurting, not helping.
Post by: Radament on August 04, 2009, 01:09:00 PM
Im sure at least half of the people who are complaining here have made quite a few bucks from their work.
Let them have some credit for their work finnaly, its well deserved.
Post by: Iriez on August 04, 2009, 01:11:00 PM
QUOTE(jt1 @ Aug 4 2009, 12:48 PM)
Great news!
Can somone explain why THX can't adopt the same method of key decryption. Its been declared as 'nothing new'. So how can he survive providing this 'illegal' service and charge for it; if the reason is that THX is afraid becsaue of legal implications?
If it is a partnership, why don't you just announce it?
Because the security of the team and team members is the #1 priority. You want us to paint a huge red X saying "come arrest us" ? The team will NOT run its own server to offer decrypt services, even IF we have successfully decrypted the key data.
Post by: PornOH on August 04, 2009, 01:11:00 PM
QUOTE(Radament @ Aug 4 2009, 12:09 PM)
I am amazed that they did it for free this far.
Im sure at least half of the people who are complaining here have made quite a few bucks from their work.
Let them have some credit for their work finnaly, its well deserved.
I'm not saying don't let them have some credit - but the majority of the people who want their xbox's modded will never want to open it. If it were as simple as getting a code to type into your xbox to unlock it, then I'd say the $42 was well spent.. but to have to do all the work yourself, and then spend the money, it puts a damper on things. Not to mention, if the speed in which the keys are given is not even within hours, then you'll end up having to keep proposed customers' xboxes over night at best, as well as charge them the extra $42 for the service.
Post by: ghaladream on August 04, 2009, 01:17:00 PM
I understand that it's not recommended to cross-spoof between 74 and 83 Liteon Drives. However, can you cross FLASH them? What would happen if you flashed this new 83850c firmware to a 74850c drive? Would it brick the drive? I understand that the 2 drives use similar if not the same hardware.
The reason I ask, is because we know it's possible to cross flash Samsung MS25 and MS28, because they're both the same drive. Likewise, we can also crosshflash the 2 known BenQ firmware revisions to the same drive.
I will test this later. I have a space 74850c and I'll see what happens if I flash 83850c to it just for kicks. I mean, I can just recover it in dosflash if it doesn't do anything.
PS Iriez,
Do you know if THX will be releasing an 0800-only firmware for 83850c? I'm talking about the one that is for PC ripping only, making it so you don't need to have the tray half open to enable 0800.
This post has been edited by ghaladream: Aug 4 2009, 08:26 PM
Post by: Iriez on August 04, 2009, 01:28:00 PM
QUOTE(PornOH @ Aug 4 2009, 02:11 PM)
I'm not saying don't let them have some credit - but the majority of the people who want their xbox's modded will never want to open it. If it were as simple as getting a code to type into your xbox to unlock it, then I'd say the $42 was well spent.. but to have to do all the work yourself, and then spend the money, it puts a damper on things. Not to mention, if the speed in which the keys are given is not even within hours, then you'll end up having to keep proposed customers' xboxes over night at best, as well as charge them the extra $42 for the service.
That is why there is a reseller option. Those who buy bulk will have the capability to process immediately.
QUOTE(ghaladream @ Aug 4 2009, 02:17 PM)
Now here's a question:
I understand that it's not recommended to cross-spoof between 74 and 83 Liteon Drives. However, can you cross FLASH them? What would happen if you flashed this new 83850c firmware to a 74850c drive? Would it brick the drive? I understand that the 2 drives use similar if not the same hardware.
The reason I ask, is because we know it's possible to cross flash Samsung MS25 and MS28, because they're both the same drive. Likewise, we can also crosshflash the 2 known BenQ firmware revisions to the same drive.
I will test this later. I have a space 74850c and I'll see what happens if I flash 83850c to it just for kicks. I mean, I can just recover it in dosflash if it doesn't do anything.
PS Iriez,
Do you know if THX will be releasing an 0800-only firmware for 83850c? I'm talking about the one that is for PC ripping only, making it so you don't need to have the tray half open to enable 0800.
Cross flashing should be possible. Please let us know your results.
I dont know any ETA on 0800 mode, but it should be released eventually.
Post by: ghaladream on August 04, 2009, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: leorimolo on August 04, 2009, 01:33:00 PM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Aug 4 2009, 10:57 AM)
First must give props to THX for another great job....
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Releasing this firmware without a way to get the key is like putting a horny naked chick in front of you and saying DON'T TOUCH.
Everyone's best bet is to avoid foundmy.com like the plague. They can barely keep up with shipping out items they sell, I don't know how he could keep up with the key requests.
What I recommend everyone doing is boycotting foundmy.com service and wait for a free alternative to come around. If you really want to throw your money around send THX $5-20 or something but don't give it to Terry or whatever from foundmy.com he can kiss the fattest part of my ass. He made me lose 3 customers one time because I was waiting on Wii chips to come that NEVER SHIPPED. I had to file a chargeback to get my money back and that took time and phone calls and such.
So avoid foundmy.com and force him to lower his price or someone to put out a free way of getting the keys from these drives.
I will admit foundmy.com was a reliable site at one time, but they have gone down hill to much to trust them with this service.
They sent me a broken Infectus and didnt even want to replace it, fuck this site it sucks. I suggest no one use it otherwise you could get scammed.
Post by: BoNg420 on August 04, 2009, 01:33:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 4 2009, 03:28 PM)
That is why there is a reseller option. Those who buy bulk will have the capability to process immediately.
Cross flashing should be possible. Please let us know your results.
I dont know any ETA on 0800 mode, but it should be released eventually.
So Iriez what happens when this person pays for bulk keys and the foundmy.com doesn't come through or they only get you a couple of keys then ignore you. What if foundmy.com gets shut down. What if foundmy.com sells you a bulk of 100 keys and say you only get 30, and then there's a way released later on that people can do it on their own for free?
I'm just saying this site has so many bad reviews and I had a few problems with them in the past, how can people trust them with their money. Sure people that pay with credit card can file charge backs but the people who pay with W.U. are SOL. Also whats to stop me from ordering 100 keys from him and then go file a charge back and get my money back. He has no proof of shipment and also he isn't gonna be able to explain well what he was selling.
Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on August 04, 2009, 01:48:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 4 2009, 07:48 PM)
There are very few options in regards to getting information from the 83850c. It would be only in the most dire situation (absolutely no other solutions possible) that we might consider releasing these options.
Understand it from this perspective:
When you have a piece of hardware that has only 1 hole in it, by releasing that solution to the public you are handing the manufacturer a means to fix it. The next release of hardware, that hole is now fixed, and we went from "1" to "0". You understand that then there is NO way to hack it, right?
your logic defies every known logic.
microsoft just introduce a new piece of hardware ie:new dvdrom and thats the key operation outta the window.
they got more money than everyone in your city or town.
so them releasing it rather than grabbing as much money as they can before new drive comes out dont make sense bar they just want to make money by manipulating the market.
you think microsft dont know whats going on?
now explain that then?
thanks.
cos your explanation there is contradictory to itself.
Post by: Takashi on August 04, 2009, 01:52:00 PM
Post by: Sean87 on August 04, 2009, 02:04:00 PM
Will it be almost instantaneous?
Thank You
Post by: out4it on August 04, 2009, 02:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 4 2009, 03:11 PM)
Because the security of the team and team members is the #1 priority. You want us to paint a huge red X saying "come arrest us" ? The team will NOT run its own server to offer decrypt services, even IF we have successfully decrypted the key data.
Well, let me run this buy you, what if foundmy gets busted? Don't think for a split second that he won't snitch on whoever he can or tell as much as he knows to save his ass. you know the more people that know about something the more likely to get caught. Also,I really don't think its a bad idea to sell the key if you're the only one that can do it. The problems are:
1) foundmy.com is a piece of shit site. Had to many problems over the years with them. And anyone that even remotely folows the scene knows Terry's rep sucks. Not to many people trust him.
2)The price. I don't think people would bitch as much if the price were lower.
I personally don't mind paying, only if it were handled in a more reliable way and done with someone with a rep. I think 42 is high, but it is what it is.
Post by: Ranger72 on August 04, 2009, 02:14:00 PM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Aug 4 2009, 03:33 PM)
So Iriez what happens when this person pays for bulk keys and the foundmy.com doesn't come through or they only get you a couple of keys then ignore you. What if foundmy.com gets shut down. What if foundmy.com sells you a bulk of 100 keys and say you only get 30, and then there's a way released later on that people can do it on their own for free?
I'm just saying this site has so many bad reviews and I had a few problems with them in the past, how can people trust them with their money. Sure people that pay with credit card can file charge backs but the people who pay with W.U. are SOL. Also whats to stop me from ordering 100 keys from him and then go file a charge back and get my money back. He has no proof of shipment and also he isn't gonna be able to explain well what he was selling.
I will add a few more questions.
This guy has already proven to be unreliable at best. What happens when I send this dump info and get the wrong key back? Will they pay to replace the console that they killed with providing a bad or wrong key? If this scam is allowed to continue it is not out of the question that this issue may pop up at some point?
Also when this guy gets busted (only a matter of time) how can I know that this data wont fall into the wrong hands?
There is far better ways to make money from this than to go this rout. This whole thing is going to end badly for everyone.
Post by: RRODXbox on August 04, 2009, 02:30:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Aug 4 2009, 09:14 PM)
I will add a few more questions.
This guy has already proven to be unreliable at best. What happens when I send this dump info and get the wrong key back? Will they pay to replace the console that they killed with providing a bad or wrong key? If this scam is allowed to continue it is not out of the question that this issue may pop up at some point?
Also when this guy gets busted (only a matter of time) how can I know that this data wont fall into the wrong hands?
There is far better ways to make money from this than to go this rout. This whole thing is going to end badly for everyone.
Yeah I mentioned that on the other thread, it will probably be left for you to replace (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
as far as i'm concerned there is no key extraction method and if anyone brings one to me i'll just turn them away, I'm not going to direct any funds to any of those sites unless the price comes down at least 4 fold.
$42 IS the worst scenario ever, it just does not need to cost that much.
Post by: Radament on August 04, 2009, 02:31:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Aug 4 2009, 10:14 PM)
This guy has already proven to be unreliable at best. What happens when I send this dump info and get the wrong key back? Will they pay to replace the console that they killed with providing a bad or wrong key? If this scam is allowed to continue it is not out of the question that this issue may pop up at some point?
Thats an interesting question! Especially 'cuz we're talking about a site with reputation like mrmodchips.
Post by: Takashi on August 04, 2009, 02:58:00 PM
Second, your post comes off vengeful.
Let foundmy create a worse name for themselves!
No one should care!
This post has been edited by Takashi: Aug 4 2009, 09:59 PM
Post by: fatc2k3 on August 04, 2009, 03:28:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 4 2009, 07:48 PM)
There are very few options in regards to getting information from the 83850c. It would be only in the most dire situation (absolutely no other solutions possible) that we might consider releasing these options.
Understand it from this perspective:
When you have a piece of hardware that has only 1 hole in it, by releasing that solution to the public you are handing the manufacturer a means to fix it. The next release of hardware, that hole is now fixed, and we went from "1" to "0". You understand that then there is NO way to hack it, right?
This is the scenario with the LiteOn....and a scenario in several other 360 related projects I've been involved with. By committing secrets to the public we are slowly but surely choking ourselves to death. It is a cat and mouse game, and the victor is the person who secures the hardware at the end. We help them secure the hardware with every hack released.
So in this instance we have a alternative solution that is viable. Yes, it costs money....but whats more important is this: YOU CAN MOD IT.
The end result is what is important.
So understand the phrase "in the very worst" .........We are NOT "in the very worst" right now. And if you think that paying a vendor for a service is "the very worst" then you, or anyone else who expresses that opinion....is not worthy of even one second of my time or thoughts. You are simply so absolutely pathetic and cheap that it is my feeling that you should be wiped off this planet. The worst case scenario (in this scene) will ALWAYS be "It cannot be done". If anyone thinks different....I feel sorry for anyone that has to deal with you in your life.
I want to make this CRYSTAL clear.
Unless I, or a representative of Team HyperX makes a public statement that they are working together with foundmy, I WILL NOT allow this conspiracy theory bullshit to clog these threads. This is for the discussion of ixtreme and the processing of key's through foundmy.....nothing more. Remember my avatar. Your posting ability here is a privilege, not a right.
"So in this instance WE have a alternative solution that is viable. Yes, it costs money....but whats more important is this: YOU CAN MOD IT."
so by that statement you are admitting you are part of the org that are charging for keys???
Post by: 23bobbyg on August 04, 2009, 03:28:00 PM
I am sure that big brother Microsucks is looking down and smiling with joy right now
Post by: fatc2k3 on August 04, 2009, 03:38:00 PM
QUOTE(23bobbyg @ Aug 4 2009, 10:28 PM)
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I am sure that big brother Microsucks is looking down and smiling with joy right now
in a way im hoping so , cos if these people think that people are gonna pay for a key at tha price they need to be done.... as far as i know most hackers liek to get one over on MS not for money making ..
set up a donation scheme , im sure all will be happy :
Post by: Exobex on August 04, 2009, 03:58:00 PM
QUOTE(fatc2k3 @ Aug 4 2009, 09:28 PM)
"So in this instance WE have a alternative solution that is viable. Yes, it costs money....but whats more important is this: YOU CAN MOD IT."
so by that statement you are admitting you are part of the org that are charging for keys???
I think he means WE as a modding community. YOU (as an individual member of the modding community) CAN MOD IT (the 83850c-equipped drive in your possession).
QUOTE(ghaladream @ Aug 4 2009, 07:17 PM)
Now here's a question:
I understand that it's not recommended to cross-spoof between 74 and 83 Liteon Drives. However, can you cross FLASH them? What would happen if you flashed this new 83850c firmware to a 74850c drive? Would it brick the drive? I understand that the 2 drives use similar if not the same hardware.
The reason I ask, is because we know it's possible to cross flash Samsung MS25 and MS28, because they're both the same drive. Likewise, we can also crosshflash the 2 known BenQ firmware revisions to the same drive.
I'd expect a crossflash to work, sort of, as the hardware'd be the same. The things to watch out for (at the moment at least) would be:-
1) The firmware would need to be spoofed to the version the 360 expects - remember the error you get if you mismatch Samsung ms25 and ms28?
2) If you crossflash forward to 83850c, does the new firmware support the erase command that would let you get back again?
If point 2 trips you up, you'll have to wait for an 83850c-compatible JungleFlasher/DOSflash in order to make the drive useful again.
Post by: Shroomer on August 04, 2009, 04:06:00 PM
Talk about a heat score.
Like saying...Hi, we sell 1/4 oz bars of the freshest, highest quality hashish available on the open market straight from our online store for only $42 including shipping.
Me thinks someone is testing the waters for the possible ramifications...or perhaps just wants foundmy to go down.
Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on August 04, 2009, 04:24:00 PM
might as well say it before someone else does.
they will just say "i am canadian and i aint breaking canadian law"
until they get extradited for breaking international law.you cant send illegal info to other countries.thats a breach of other countries laws like smuggling,they extradite.
you will see a shackled terry (wogan) having his sad ass marched down a jets steps to us soil.
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This post has been edited by saleem_hacks_360s: Aug 4 2009, 11:26 PM
Post by: ctpact on August 04, 2009, 04:31:00 PM
Post by: jt1 on August 04, 2009, 04:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 4 2009, 08:11 PM)
Because the security of the team and team members is the #1 priority. You want us to paint a huge red X saying "come arrest us" ? The team will NOT run its own server to offer decrypt services, even IF we have successfully decrypted the key data.
So are you guys basically waiting to see what happens to foundmy, then release that method to the public or another one. If he goes down.
Post by: scottmuller28 on August 04, 2009, 04:50:00 PM
The money they will make will only be a fraction of what they will need to get themselves out of the sh#t. Have a look at Microsoft and the anti piracy measures they have taken in China recently. They will be seen as aiding piracy and profiting from illegal activities. They will regret doing this so publicly, Kudos for having the balls to do this but I see this turning into a legal nightmare!!
This post has been edited by scottmuller28: Aug 5 2009, 12:00 AM
Post by: ekruob on August 04, 2009, 04:54:00 PM
QUOTE(scottmuller28 @ Aug 5 2009, 09:50 AM)
I think its only a matter of time before the feds and anti-piracy enforcers do a deal with the local Government & cross the borders. They are breaking the law with copyright infringement as the code belongs to liteon...
What code? The keys are not copyrighted - numbers cannot ever be copyrighted. That fact that decryption was required makes no difference.
They are only providing keys - that in itself does not circumvent any copyright protection measures.
What MyFoundry do seems entirely legal - it is THX's copied firmware that is illegal.
This post has been edited by ekruob: Aug 4 2009, 11:56 PM
Post by: xbox360sexual on August 04, 2009, 05:01:00 PM
QUOTE(Exobex @ Aug 4 2009, 10:58 PM)
I'd expect a crossflash to work, sort of, as the hardware'd be the same. The things to watch out for (at the moment at least) would be:-
I've flashed 83850c f/w to an old Liteon and it works. The only thing you can't do successfully is enter your own DVD key, it doesn't work. I guess a new JF is required to alter the key algo or whatever.
Post by: Traviss63 on August 04, 2009, 05:01:00 PM
QUOTE(ekruob @ Aug 4 2009, 03:54 PM)
What code? The keys are not copyrighted - numbers cannot ever be copyrighted. That fact that decryption was required makes no difference.
They are only providing keys - that in itself does not circumvent any copyright protection measures.
What MyFoundry do seems entirely legal - it is THX's copied firmware that is illegal.
No one said giving the key was illegal. Giving out the algorithm that determines the key is illegal.
Pay attention. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
PS My Foundry is the map you made in Halo 3 it's Foundmy.com
This post has been edited by Traviss63: Aug 5 2009, 12:02 AM
Post by: ghaladream on August 04, 2009, 05:13:00 PM
I can only assume that iX based on 74850c will be phased out next release instead of releasing an 83850c and a 74850c version.
Post by: scottmuller28 on August 04, 2009, 05:15:00 PM
This post has been edited by scottmuller28: Aug 5 2009, 12:23 AM
Post by: HipHopHead on August 04, 2009, 05:23:00 PM
Post by: JeeBoy on August 04, 2009, 05:23:00 PM
Is it not just a simple push on a button in jungleflasher to extract the keys??? like the 74 liteon??
Whats the talk about algorithm?? Do we need another program that breaks the algorithm and get the keys and then in jungleflasher we inject the keys in the new Ixtreme flash??
Why should this be more illegal than flashing and retreaving the keys from the other drives, It seems to me that its all bull.
Post by: lethal.b on August 04, 2009, 05:35:00 PM
but $42 or w/e price it is, is pretty expensive just for a key. they shud lower the price to at the most £10 GBP.
Post by: HipHopHead on August 04, 2009, 05:36:00 PM
Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on August 04, 2009, 07:06:00 PM
QUOTE(ekruob @ Aug 4 2009, 11:54 PM)
What code? The keys are not copyrighted - numbers cannot ever be copyrighted. That fact that decryption was required makes no difference.
They are only providing keys - that in itself does not circumvent any copyright protection measures.
What MyFoundry do seems entirely legal - it is THX's copied firmware that is illegal.
your not allowed to modify or facilitate piracy,backups as most say are actualy pirates,nothing more and nothing less,in most if not all countries bar CANADA.he is exposing an hidden key (its hidden for a reason,security) you are not allowed to do that.ontop,its not his work,its owned by microsoft and its partners in this case.
liteon who are the supplier of the drives use microsoft code as they have to boot microsoft endorsed games.
this might come under supplying illegal material/code via email/internet.basicly smuggling the key/code into another country.let him go get legal advice and paperwork from a law expert and post the docs so we can see them,he cant,they will tell him,probably even in canada he aint got 2 legs to stand on and once he sends the email,the destination countries laws come into play,its not canadas business to tell us in the uk what to do.thats why even in his own country he is basicly in trouble,he never thought about it,he is preparing illegal material in canada to send to another country.if he was preparing hash if it waslegal there to send to uk would he be right?this has already been pointed out.
me i am small fish,my country dont give a damn about me.
microsoft wont be happy,1 person/group of persons making lots of money through this scheme he will be in big s**t when the law takes him into custody,they will extradite him to us most likely.but,if he refuses extradition order,he can still be detained,it might be 18 months he can avoid it but,he will get banged up in prison for that time,he gets rearrested in us off the plane,gos to court,gets trial,gos to prison.
its common fact that flooding the market is the best way to cover your tracks as there are too many footprints,even then they got a small chance to get someone but,now they isolated themselves and use bullshit laws from a country when noone gives two craps as we come from different countries.hence why i pointed out to someone,canada is not the start and finish,there is more than 1 country and set of laws in the world,so thats that.
so realy everyone should not buy this.noone should actualy say anything good or bad bar tell this person that the love of money that could have been spread and given others some more control will be his possible down fall.
we might not hear anything as he might just keep ducking under microsofts radar as well as the laws making us think that everything is fine when it realy isnt.
Post by: f1geezer on August 04, 2009, 07:11:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 4 2009, 07:11 PM)
Because the security of the team and team members is the #1 priority. You want us to paint a huge red X saying "come arrest us" ? The team will NOT run its own server to offer decrypt services, even IF we have successfully decrypted the key data.
Iriez, whilst I have followed you and others like you for many years, and watched you all achieve many things that I could only dream of, I can't see why you would have to run a SERVER to offer decrypt services. If you can decrypt ONE file, then you can decrypt them all. If there is enough info in the .bin file to send it wherever and get the key sent back then there is enough info in the file for ANYONE, given the right algorithm, to decrypt it also and extract the key.
I would in no way wish to compromise the security of you or the rest of THX, however it is perfectly possible to release an app to do the decryption without compromising anyones security - you know this already.
You also know that your argument for NOT releasing is flawed......While I applaud your efforts to wait until the market is saturated with these drives, in the end this makes no discernible difference. M$ will already be aware of foundmy's service. Admittedly they will have to go back to Liteon and get a new firmware revision, but this is an expected process that has always being ongoing, and you know that. I agree that by disclosing any "hacks" you are clearly showing the loopholes THX (or others) exploited, but is this not the "nature of the beast"? It has always been this way.
It makes no difference to me anyway, my drive is not a liteon, nor is it flashed.
There is a scenario I can easily think of whereby it would be possible for someone to decrypt a dump and for M$ to easily identify where such an attack might have come from. However, I cannot see how paying for it against releasing it into the wild can secure such an identity?
Its all a moot point anyway, it is the work of the hackers to do as they see fit with, kudos for working it out at all.
Just can't follow the logic of "we will get hit" but "foundmy won't". Or if they do it won't lead back ?? Good luck with that.
Props & kudos to all that worked on this, you deserve it guys.
Post by: FrostyTheSnowman on August 04, 2009, 08:39:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Aug 4 2009, 05:01 PM)
I've flashed 83850c f/w to an old Liteon and it works. The only thing you can't do successfully is enter your own DVD key, it doesn't work. I guess a new JF is required to alter the key algo or whatever.
I can also confirm that the 83850c firmware works on 74850c hardware.
However, I also found out (as did xbox360sexual) that the firmware does not work when keys are injected with the current version of JungleFlasher.
The 360 won't even fully boot to the dashboard with the spoofed 83850c firmware.
Hopefully the new JungleFlasher will be released soon...
Post by: Neog2 on August 04, 2009, 08:45:00 PM
what they are doing. But this is so so risky. For everybody that buys from them espcially the people
who buy more than once (bulk orders).
So lets just say in the perfect situation you buy from this company with a prepaid credit card that you paid with cash and you buy it on internet connection stolen using wifi - and a throw away wifi adapter so the mac address isnt tied to you<--- LOL. So your techinally in the clear.
Lets say they get busted and whoever seizes all there documentation or whatever the gov does.
Nobody knows with 100% certainity what microsoft can and cant see.
Well I know they can see your console ID, and the dvd keys are unique they arent dumb.
Wouldnt take much to start tracing back console ID's to user accounts.
Wouldnt take much to check to see if the information linked to that live account is real.
Wouldnt take much to run the IP address that connects to live with that console ID.
And it definately NOW wouldnt be a stretch to assume microsoft logs all console ID's with dvd key
information as well. (Maybe not when 360 first came out but atleast since the 78 and 79 hitachi era.)
And if you dont know your console ID and want to see some interesting stats.
Check out this link http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/systemus...censemigration/
Then click the link Start the license transfer process now. (Of course you need to sign into your account.)
Just saying buying from that site is just way to risky. Hell I dont care that they are making a profit. Im just worried about them getting busted and bringing down everyone else with them. NOW THAT WOULD SUCK.
Post by: shai12 on August 04, 2009, 09:20:00 PM
QUOTE(FrostyTheSnowman @ Aug 5 2009, 02:39 AM)
I can also confirm that the 83850c firmware works on 74850c hardware.
However, I also found out (as did xbox360sexual) that the firmware does not work when keys are injected with the current version of JungleFlasher.
The 360 won't even fully boot to the dashboard with the spoofed 83850c firmware.
Hopefully the new JungleFlasher will be released soon...
New version released JungleFlasher.0.1.65.Beta
Post by: HipHopHead on August 04, 2009, 09:29:00 PM
QUOTE(halleluia @ Aug 4 2009, 10:19 PM)
Hey can anybody tell me this
WHy the hell that the team cant get the decrypting software into a torrent site.....or any other
how are they supposed to get paid that way?
Post by: Iriez on August 04, 2009, 09:51:00 PM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Aug 4 2009, 02:33 PM)
So Iriez what happens when this person pays for bulk keys and the foundmy.com doesn't come through or they only get you a couple of keys then ignore you. What if foundmy.com gets shut down. What if foundmy.com sells you a bulk of 100 keys and say you only get 30, and then there's a way released later on that people can do it on their own for free?
I'm just saying this site has so many bad reviews and I had a few problems with them in the past, how can people trust them with their money. Sure people that pay with credit card can file charge backs but the people who pay with W.U. are SOL. Also whats to stop me from ordering 100 keys from him and then go file a charge back and get my money back. He has no proof of shipment and also he isn't gonna be able to explain well what he was selling.
I see about 3 million "what if's". Sorry, I am not here to philosophize with you on something that has not happened yet.
QUOTE(saleem_hacks_360s @ Aug 4 2009, 02:48 PM)
your logic defies every known logic.
microsoft just introduce a new piece of hardware ie:new dvdrom and thats the key operation outta the window.
they got more money than everyone in your city or town.
so them releasing it rather than grabbing as much money as they can before new drive comes out dont make sense bar they just want to make money by manipulating the market.
you think microsft dont know whats going on?
now explain that then?
thanks.
cos your explanation there is contradictory to itself.
You have the audacity to dispute my logic, and then put that crap on the plate? I dont even have a blue's clue as to what point you are trying to get across. Maybe its your grasp of the english language...if so I apologize. If not, then you need to clarify your rationalization skills and focus. rinse and repeat.
QUOTE(Sean87 @ Aug 4 2009, 03:04 PM)
When you submit your order to get the key, how long will it take to receive the key?
Will it be almost instantaneous?
Thank You
From reports, it has been almost instantaneous. Though I imagine it depends if foundmy's workers are awake/working/processing keys.
QUOTE(out4it @ Aug 4 2009, 03:08 PM)
Well, let me run this buy you, what if foundmy gets busted? Don't think for a split second that he won't snitch on whoever he can or tell as much as he knows to save his ass. you know the more people that know about something the more likely to get caught. Also,I really don't think its a bad idea to sell the key if you're the only one that can do it. The problems are:
1) foundmy.com is a piece of shit site. Had to many problems over the years with them. And anyone that even remotely folows the scene knows Terry's rep sucks. Not to many people trust him.
2)The price. I don't think people would bitch as much if the price were lower.
I personally don't mind paying, only if it were handled in a more reliable way and done with someone with a rep. I think 42 is high, but it is what it is.
A valid question, but more what if's ? I dont understand how am I supposed to help you guys resolve these issues? What if I hit someone while drinking and driving and go to jail? What will happen to xbins? Likely it will either go away, or be carried on by another member. There are only two choices. Let us hope that whatever method he has achieved that he has atleast held a business partner in his inner circle so that the method may be distributed to someone else should that occour.
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Aug 4 2009, 03:14 PM)
I will add a few more questions.
This guy has already proven to be unreliable at best. What happens when I send this dump info and get the wrong key back? Will they pay to replace the console that they killed with providing a bad or wrong key? If this scam is allowed to continue it is not out of the question that this issue may pop up at some point?
Also when this guy gets busted (only a matter of time) how can I know that this data wont fall into the wrong hands?
There is far better ways to make money from this than to go this rout. This whole thing is going to end badly for everyone.
If you get the wrong key back, I recommend emailing him and telling him so. Since you have the original .bin you have nothing to worry about. He can always reprocess the bin and if the md5's match but the keys are different then it proves that he made a mistake and can distribute the correct key to you. If you flash the drive with the wrong key, it does not brick the drive...you know that, i know that....everyone knows that. So i dont understand your question. It appears that you are trying to make a issue out of nothing if you ask me.
It has always been recommended to save your key data incase your drive dies. It is common practice.
However, this did not really take me to answer. The logic could have easily been figured out by anyone else.
Post by: Iriez on August 04, 2009, 10:01:00 PM
QUOTE(fatc2k3 @ Aug 4 2009, 04:28 PM)
"So in this instance WE have a alternative solution that is viable. Yes, it costs money....but whats more important is this: YOU CAN MOD IT."
so by that statement you are admitting you are part of the org that are charging for keys???
You are reading into it too much. By "we" I mean the public. You, me, anyone who wishes to mod their xbox. I've already made my statement regarding associations. Please do not make me delete your posts by antagonizing me.
I have cleaned up this thread a little. You are welcome to your opinion, but you need to express it in a constructive manner. The past is the past and the future is yet to be told. Those of you who keep saying "well foundmy this and foundmy that" .....I think foundmy probably understands the severity of the situation. Likely this is his top priority (I would hope). I think he will be very proactive and fair considering this. Until he proves us all wrong with this liteon key service, I think we should give the guy a break.
Even murders get let out of jail. If we can forgive murderers, i THINK we can give the guy a chance to do this right. Ok?
Post by: prozac4312 on August 04, 2009, 10:12:00 PM
Post by: zyo on August 04, 2009, 10:17:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 05:01 AM)
You are reading into it too much. By "we" I mean the public. You, me, anyone who wishes to mod their xbox. I've already made my statement regarding associations. Please do not make me delete your posts by antagonizing me.
I have cleaned up this thread a little. You are welcome to your opinion, but you need to express it in a constructive manner. The past is the past and the future is yet to be told. Those of you who keep saying "well foundmy this and foundmy that" .....I think foundmy probably understands the severity of the situation. Likely this is his top priority (I would hope). I think he will be very proactive and fair considering this. Until he proves us all wrong with this liteon key service, I think we should give the guy a break.
Even murders get let out of jail. If we can forgive murderers, i THINK we can give the guy a chance to do this right. Ok?
Im sorry but
It looks too much of a coincidence when THX releases a hacked firmware the next day those foundmy guys released a key retrieval service. Not to mention the free ads they are getting now from the readme.txt in the firmware release. I am not really against charging for that service, its their "invention" and ppl who complain probably are making thousands from modding 360s (which makes them equally guilty as those foundmy ppl).
but I do hope THX gets less invloved in this kind of businesses (I know you are not assossiated, but why releasing the firmware when they are the only one BENEFITING from it?).
This post has been edited by zyo: Aug 5 2009, 05:19 AM
Post by: xboxer360 on August 04, 2009, 10:24:00 PM
Also $42 isn't that outrageous considering it's required for you to mod your xbox. We've just all been spoilt by the nice people at THX, keep giving them shit and they may just stop doing things for OUR gain without asking anything in return.
We're still better off now than we were a week ago. We have the CHOICE to get the key.
This post has been edited by xboxer360: Aug 5 2009, 05:26 AM
Post by: Geen Rommel on August 04, 2009, 10:25:00 PM
Post by: Iriez on August 04, 2009, 10:29:00 PM
QUOTE(f1geezer @ Aug 4 2009, 08:11 PM)
Iriez, whilst I have followed you and others like you for many years, and watched you all achieve many things that I could only dream of, I can't see why you would have to run a SERVER to offer decrypt services. If you can decrypt ONE file, then you can decrypt them all. If there is enough info in the .bin file to send it wherever and get the key sent back then there is enough info in the file for ANYONE, given the right algorithm, to decrypt it also and extract the key.
I would in no way wish to compromise the security of you or the rest of THX, however it is perfectly possible to release an app to do the decryption without compromising anyones security - you know this already.
You also know that your argument for NOT releasing is flawed......While I applaud your efforts to wait until the market is saturated with these drives, in the end this makes no discernible difference. M$ will already be aware of foundmy's service. Admittedly they will have to go back to Liteon and get a new firmware revision, but this is an expected process that has always being ongoing, and you know that. I agree that by disclosing any "hacks" you are clearly showing the loopholes THX (or others) exploited, but is this not the "nature of the beast"? It has always been this way.
It makes no difference to me anyway, my drive is not a liteon, nor is it flashed.
There is a scenario I can easily think of whereby it would be possible for someone to decrypt a dump and for M$ to easily identify where such an attack might have come from. However, I cannot see how paying for it against releasing it into the wild can secure such an identity?
Its all a moot point anyway, it is the work of the hackers to do as they see fit with, kudos for working it out at all.
Just can't follow the logic of "we will get hit" but "foundmy won't". Or if they do it won't lead back ?? Good luck with that.
Props & kudos to all that worked on this, you deserve it guys.
Who said foundmy is not at risk? Not me. Anyone who run's any type of console modfiication service is at risk under the DMCA. There are multiple reasons that it would be unethical and illegal to release the crypto involved with the liteon. We are not considering it as a option at this point and time. "The team becomes a target" is definitely not the only reason. Its one of many.
Post by: antz1970 on August 04, 2009, 10:37:00 PM
what a lot of people seem to forget is that when a "free" method of getting the key eventually becomes available who's hacked firmware is it thats gonna be getting put onto the new drives? , yep , the same team a lot of people have been dissing lately , its sad that all the great work in the past gets forgotten about just coz of one incident
Post by: Iriez on August 04, 2009, 10:57:00 PM
Post by: coolshyguy on August 04, 2009, 10:58:00 PM
It is totally understandable, someone worked on this and they deserve to be paid.
Why does everyone expect something for free around here like someone owes you for just breathing.
We all are aware that foundmy.com is NOT the creator of this program that he is using to decrypt the new lite-on. Its obvious from his NOOB website that he posses no skills what so ever in programming.
Should he be charging this price, yes because he is probally being commissioned for it, so he has got to get his cut along with someone else(probally overseas where all of this is illegal in some form)
I know that the laws are a lot more lax here in Canada so this is probably the reason they choose to use Terry aka NOOB TUBE lol..
For now you are all going to have suck it up and live and let die, its only a matter of time that the hype dies and they release some kind of software to decrypt the Lite-on. The scene dont give a shit if its illegal they live to break the codes no matter the repercussions. They could have anomalously released this software without telling who made it other then " MR.X " but they are smarter then that and they want to be paid. IF i made this i would want to get paid as well, and after i have cashed in i would leak it out to the scene and say THANK YOU.
Regardless if Terry is a NOOB and a lab rat he is still the person you are going to have to go to for now to get your key. So dont complain, i see a lot of WHAT IF's and a lot of them are Valid , but none of these have happend as of yet. I am sure you are going to see other sites start offering this method of key extraction in the next few weeks as the drives start pouring out of microsoft.
Everyone just needs to take a chill pill. I am sure there is going to be a walk around that will not require you to see the key or show you a fake generated key but under that key its the real key that you cant see. That would make this LEGAL considering you will not ever see the key unless you hack the software that this person made. There are many ways around this that can make it legal and i am sure someone will make a walk around after they have cashed in.
Support Scene, these people dedicate their time to bring you quality hacks free of charge most of the time.
END NOTE.
I think they should be developing a mod chip, that can be updated VIA usb.
This post has been edited by coolshyguy: Aug 5 2009, 06:00 AM
Post by: coolshyguy on August 04, 2009, 11:09:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 12:57 AM)
Please, for the love of god people stay on topic and follow the guidelines set in the second post. Im tired of deleting crap. And stop asking me questions that I have already answered. I've spent a incredible amount of my personal time responding to people here. Dont waste even more of it by making me repeat.
Maybe you should not spend your time replying to Air heads that want the world for free.
This post has been edited by coolshyguy: Aug 5 2009, 06:09 AM
Post by: Bazdoctor on August 04, 2009, 11:15:00 PM
Good job to the team and looking forward to more releases.
Post by: HOMiE7 on August 04, 2009, 11:29:00 PM
Post by: Takieda on August 05, 2009, 12:00:00 AM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 4 2009, 02:05 PM)
It has been stated numerous times that we have our own mean's to a end. What can be accomplished in private might not necessarily be feasibly accomplished by end users. No, THX does not pay foundmy money to beta test.
Thought it best to repeat a couple of things you said here, as so many people seem to have, a) not seen it, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) not understood it, or c) only god knows.
People, What Iriez, and by proxy, THX is stating is that THX has its own methods of finding the keys. They may even have a method similar to foundmy's system, as suggested by:
QUOTE
Because the security of the team and team members is the #1 priority. You want us to paint a huge red X saying "come arrest us" ? The team will NOT run its own server to offer decrypt services, even IF we have successfully decrypted the key data.
And he is NOT suggesting that the methods they have REQUIRE a server. He's simply stating that they will not do what Foundmy has done as that has, effectively, painted a huge red X on their chest.
There are numerous, and sometimes costly ways of getting the keys. Think of it this way. We can, right now, run homebrew on the Xbox 360. Doing so is one of the most difficult things the current scene has ever seen (not the hackers that are actually working on this, just the general scene that jumps up and down begging for XBMC on the 360). It is not practical, nor feasible, for the general population to run homebrew, as the method is significantly more difficult than any modding system presently available for the original Xbox (which is what most of us have any experience over, and given the ridiculous amounts of arguments of modchip vs. tsop vs. softmod, there's no wonder as to why it's too difficult for the scene to grasp the available hacks and use them reliably). As a result of this difficulty, we don't have much homebrew on the Xbox, and certainly nothing of note (no XBMC for all you drooling fanboys out there).
Given that, the same can be said for the LiteOn drive - except that there are no public methods to achieve this. They have not released the methods they have "up their sleeve" for a number of reasons (that they have no necessity to provide), however as stated:
QUOTE
There are different way's of accomplishing this process. Would everyone prefer to install a modchip on their 83850c instead?
It's obvious that at least one method, that everyone else would complain about, modchips, has already been achieved. I say complain, because until the relentless masses have a free software alternative to this, they won't stop bitching about having to pay one red cent to hard working people who develop this stuff, and let's be honest, for WELL below what it's actually worth to anyone who actually works in these industries (in any legal capacity). Scratch that, once a free alternative is released, people will STILL bitch about it, because someone hasn't held their hand through the entire process, walking them through, step by step, etc. (though the numerous tutorials provided on every other current public hack already do that far more than enough - it's still not enough, for some awful reason).
So people, stop complaining about the "conspiracy" between THX and foundmy.com. Stop complaining that THX hasn't released their present methods. Believe me, when a method is released for this, it will be FAR easier than anything they already have behind the scenes, and the last thing they, or ANYONE ELSE, wants, is to have everyone bitch that what they've given, freely, is too difficult to do, etc... they get that complaint FAR too frequently given the already extensively documented methods for the current hacks. Let's let their lives be a LITTLE easier here, shall we?
Hopefully, Iriez, this'll stop at least a small amount of your day to day drama, esp. in regards to this conspiracy crap.
This post has been edited by Takieda: Aug 5 2009, 07:11 AM
Post by: MrFish on August 05, 2009, 12:48:00 AM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 4 2009, 04:02 PM)
And Team HyperX is NOT involved with foundmy. There were alternative solutions that the team considered doing, but at the moment this is the fastest, cheapest and easiest way to mod the current LiteOn.
It's just a coincidence that someone with a proven ability to reverse-engineer embedded machine code and in possession of tens of samples of the hardware suddenly has problems with an obfuscation scheme that provides both the keys and an implementation of the algorithm in every single unit?
The drive knows its key. To do this, the drive has to be able to decrypt its key. The firmware performs this decryption; analysing the firmware tells you how to decrypt the key.
When someone obviously well-versed in information theory is making claims that run counter to Informatics 101, you can surely understand why the public calls shenanigans.
When PSP unbrickers started appearing on eBay, Prometheus released early and gratis, shooting them below the waterline. Whereas THX, instead of scuppering the profiteers by simply doing nothing, invested time and effort to produce the key to their business model.
Discussing motives is a job for conspiracy theorists. I'll stop at pointing out behaviour that might appear to be below the standards of ethics some have come to expect.
Post by: Takieda on August 05, 2009, 01:11:00 AM
QUOTE(MrFish @ Aug 5 2009, 01:48 AM)
It's just a coincidence that someone with a proven ability to reverse-engineer embedded machine code and in possession of tens of samples of the hardware suddenly has problems with an obfuscation scheme that provides both the keys and an implementation of the algorithm in every single unit?
The problem isn't that they don't have a method. The problem is that the method is too obfuscated for most to use (and by most, I'm talking about the general scene that cries "havoc" then whines to this board about why they have to pay someone money to get something they want for free).
QUOTE
When someone obviously well-versed in information theory is making claims that run counter to Informatics 101, you can surely understand why the public calls shenanigans.
The public isn't calling shenanigans because they have a well versed, well thought out conspiratorial debate on their hands. The public calls shenanigans because it doesn't like the idea of paying $42 to someone to provide that key for them. The public calls shenanigans because they *think* they've put 2 and 2 together here, and all they've managed to do is see two COMPLETELY circumstantial points and formulated an idea that, hey, "noone else thought of!" or some dumb crap like that. They cry shenanigans to get public attention to themselves, to demean the people that have provided them so much free work for them, etc. They cry shenanigans because they can, under cover of "anonymity" get away with it, and if they don't, they can cry somewhere else about what "mean modz" there are over at X-S. I'm not going to go on, but I think my point has been made abundantly clear.
Obviously, you've seen a LOT more detail than most of what the "public" decries.
QUOTE
When PSP unbrickers started appearing on eBay, Prometheus released early and gratis, shooting them below the waterline.
When dealing with something like hacking you CANNOT base the actions of one team on the actions of another and suggest that one team is, therefore, better than the other. Each team has its own reasons for their actions. Personally, there's so much piss in the PSP scene that I've seen from every side that it's hard to decipher who's right and who's wrong, and by that, who's being moral and who's not. Sometimes I wish life would emulate the PSP scene. It took more than one person to decide on whether or not Pluto would no longer be a planet, if everyone just bitched about who came up with the idea first, it never would have come to enough to discussion to excommunicate the planet at the end of the day.
QUOTE
Whereas THX, instead of scuppering the profiteers by simply doing nothing, invested time and effort to produce the key to their business model.
What, precisely, is their business model? What money have they made, or do they make, in anything they do? By suggesting this you are stating a conspiracy theory, much against your next statement:
QUOTE
Discussing motives is a job for conspiracy theorists.
This post has been edited by Takieda: Aug 5 2009, 08:16 AM
Post by: DuggyUK on August 05, 2009, 02:04:00 AM
QUOTE(saleem_hacks_360s @ Aug 5 2009, 02:06 AM) 
me i am small fish,my country dont give a damn about me.
That depends, if you've been making it a business and touting for business on numerous websites (*ax-c*n*o**/here/others) then i'd be worried about who's watching. You think you are safe?, Its the small fish they go after sometimes, make an example of one person to scare the rest, lala MPAA/RIAA
Post by: nirbeltran on August 05, 2009, 02:09:00 AM
Post by: DuggyUK on August 05, 2009, 02:09:00 AM
I think there are two issues, the first is that people don't liek paying, they dont, sad fact. The other issue is that non donating folk, and I suspect even more people that donated (like me) are not happy that someone's making money and its not THX. I'm all for THX making money, they put a lot of hard work into this as you said and even the money we donate comes no where near close to compensating you for THX's time, but when its another company then its not so nice. Its made to look worse when THEY decide the price (which is their right of course); I paid more than that (or close to IIRC) but that was my decision, not THX's.
IMO what made it worse was that THX never came out and said in the first instance that they had no affiliation with this outfit, it looks like they've judged the public reaction and now are distancing themselves from foundry, perhaps because of the backlash?. In anyway i'm happy to accept and believe what you said that there is no link, would have been better to have read it in the first instance. I'm happy to support hobbiests, but the thought of a full blown commercial operation doesn't work for me.
Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on August 05, 2009, 05:17:00 AM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 04:51 AM)
You have the audacity to dispute my logic, and then put that crap on the plate? I dont even have a blue's clue as to what point you are trying to get across. Maybe its your grasp of the english language...if so I apologize. If not, then you need to clarify your rationalization skills and focus. rinse and repeat.
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 4 2009, 07:48 PM)
There are very few options in regards to getting information from the 83850c. It would be only in the most dire situation (absolutely no other solutions possible) that we might consider releasing these options.
Understand it from this perspective:
When you have a piece of hardware that has only 1 hole in it, by releasing that solution to the public you are handing the manufacturer a means to fix it. The next release of hardware, that hole is now fixed, and we went from "1" to "0". You understand that then there is NO way to hack it, right? your excuse is a couple of words that are either missing or wrong way round as a defence for your logic? whats right is right.that statement is not,a method has now been released (we wouldnt have ixtreme for this drive other wise) see statements with regards to releasing it when a method was found. now microsoft only has to replace the drive.thats that model drive out of the window.wheres the logic in your statement. the next excuse from people was they didnt want to release until the market was basicly saturated with these drives,a method has now been found,the ixtreme has been released.so whats the prob,now you will argue about the algorythm,yet the algorythm is being used in canada to facilitate hacking of a console over seas.that gos against even canadas own laws,as you can only modify your own console,not someones from oversea.once you step foot or aid a crime in another country you become subject to that countries laws. so your statement does not make sense at all.. and any excuse for no release will not be correct as a method is found and running already,but,i suppose they can just say "well its not ours is it?" dont even bother answering or trying to point out this that or other,you already posted about my english yet i am from england,you know where the english language comes from. my english is probably 100 times better than yours will ever be as i actualy speak it the way its supposed to be spoken not like someone from overseas who has had it passed on hireditarily. my keyboard is probably not as great as some have so my typing gos funny from time to time. remember,i am not the one whos suggesting or punning this service here and redirecting people to this service.saying that its someone elses work and not ours or theres dont cut it regardless because this method could have been handed to you or others.then theres the conspiracy which most think like myself,that thx are actualy behind it or involved,i aint personaly bothered. i didnt actualy come to post here,you posted and i am responding with regards to that. people aint willing to have any old tosh shovelled to them,count me in as one of those.
Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on August 05, 2009, 05:45:00 AM
QUOTE(DuggyUK @ Aug 5 2009, 09:04 AM)
That depends, if you've been making it a business and touting for business on numerous websites (*ax-c*n*o**/here/others) then i'd be worried about who's watching. You think you are safe?, Its the small fish they go after sometimes, make an example of one person to scare the rest, lala MPAA/RIAA
perhaps your scared of the cops,all it takes is having a little leverage and you will be suprised how much power it hands you.nothing happens in uk without the police,they cant enter your premis's where the police can,the warrant in the country gives them no such rights,the same gos for seizure.there is nothing here for them in the first place.
then,some people are meant to have such power and some not to,i just happen to have it.
anyones console actualy gets that little bit oif extra added security as a result,cos the cops will never take it away thats for sure.
Post by: bamma on August 05, 2009, 06:50:00 AM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 4 2009, 08:05 PM)
It has been stated numerous times that we have our own mean's to a end. What can be accomplished in private might not necessarily be feasibly accomplished by end users. No, THX does not pay foundmy money to beta test.
There are different way's of accomplishing this process. Would everyone prefer to install a modchip on their 83850c instead?
Hi,
If i got to pay £25 to get a key and wait around for foundmy to send it I'd rather fit a modchip.. that way THX makes a bit of well earned cash and customers can have there 360 modded while they wait..
Could this be an option Iriez?
All this assuming it would'nt be a 30 wire mod... did'nt enjoy d2ckey on wii
Thanks to THX and all involved.
Post by: NoZart on August 05, 2009, 06:51:00 AM
Post by: antz1970 on August 05, 2009, 07:00:00 AM
QUOTE(NoZart @ Aug 5 2009, 01:51 PM)
Is there ANY way to check the decrypted key against my firmware dump? I really would hate bricking my xbox because someone sent me the key from somebody else or the decrypting software hickups somehow.
only way to check for sure is to flash it to a spare drive , spoof the drive and try it
Post by: NoZart on August 05, 2009, 07:05:00 AM
QUOTE(antz1970 @ Aug 5 2009, 03:00 PM)
only way to check for sure is to flash it to a spare drive , spoof the drive and try it
and if it does not work i have a box with an errorlog in the vault which means BAN.
Plus no chance of getting the "correct" key without ordering again.
Ok, thanks for the info. No Go for me.
Post by: XbotWiz on August 05, 2009, 07:32:00 AM
I'll keep this short and sweet but basically we WILL be releasing a FREE solution for the Liteon 83850c within the next two weeks (19/8/09), our new team (still recruiting too) have already successfully obtained the key from the drive and flashed back to it with no issues at all on twelve 360's,
This is our plan:
We will be releasing this solution totally free as it should be (charging for this service is a pi*s take), before we release this out to the public we are going to ask for around 50 "testers" who will be given the chance to get this solution early and report back to the team of any issues that we need to fix before release, please send me a pm to be a tester, we will have 25 places open for xbox-scene members.
The ONLY thing we ask in return will be for donations IF and ONLY IF you think we deserve a donation AFTER you have used the new tools, there will be no forced payments or silly fee's to get your keys!
We will also be trying to contact c4eva to see if we can come to some sort of agreement so we can release the solution in with a slightly revised iextreme 1.6/jungleflasher, if not we will do this without them as we already have our own software in beta which offers the same features as JF.
Iriez forgets to mention that there are MANY other teams out there that have the talent, experience and contacts to match the work already done except we will NOT charge for it simple as that.
Important:
If this thread/post gets deleted you can find us over on a few other well known 360 hacking sites....
Look forward to working with some of you.
Team XWizX
Post by: halo2jumper on August 05, 2009, 07:49:00 AM
Ur team is the best!!!
Post by: XbotWiz on August 05, 2009, 07:50:00 AM
QUOTE(halo2jumper @ Aug 5 2009, 02:49 PM)
i love u XbotWiz
Ur team is the best!!!
To be fair, you haven't seen what we have for you lot yet, wait until you have tried the tools before passing your judgement but keeping this scene FREE is what our new team is all about....
UPDATE:
Half of the spaces have now gone for testers
Post by: majinsoftware on August 05, 2009, 08:01:00 AM
Post by: XbotWiz on August 05, 2009, 08:03:00 AM
QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Aug 5 2009, 03:01 PM)
Im a bit sceptical about Team XWizX. New account created today, Only 2 posts. Google search finds nothing on them. But any way best of luck to them
Yup, you are totally right, I did say we are a brand new team setup, the details I gave wasn't going to be released until a few days before we was to release our toolset but the latest developments surrounding foundmy.com gave us little choice in the matter.
As a new team we have a LOT to prove with nothing to lose....
Post by: sephiroth666 on August 05, 2009, 08:04:00 AM
QUOTE(XbotWiz @ Aug 5 2009, 02:50 PM)
To be fair, you haven't seen what we have for you lot yet, wait until you have tried the tools before passing your judgement but keeping this scene FREE is what our new team is all about....
UPDATE:
Half of the spaces have now gone for testers
Very nice work if what you say is accurate. I will VOLENTARILY donate if this comes to light.
Any additional tools needed (i.e. connection kits) or will this be a similar method outlined at foundmy?
Post by: sancho_panza on August 05, 2009, 08:06:00 AM
QUOTE(XbotWiz @ Aug 5 2009, 03:50 PM)
To be fair, you haven't seen what we have for you lot yet, wait until you have tried the tools before passing your judgement but keeping this scene FREE is what our new team is all about....
UPDATE:
Half of the spaces have now gone for testers
Could you explain me why you can't use jungleflasher at the moment (maybe I a bit noob)... Didn't we only need the keys and then can use ix and jungleflasher?
Post by: majinsoftware on August 05, 2009, 08:12:00 AM
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 5 2009, 04:06 PM)
Could you explain me why you can't use jungleflasher at the moment (maybe I a bit noob)... Aren't we only need the keys and then can use ix and jungleflasher?
Would also like to know maybe that are just inserting the still encrypted key into the firmware. Which means there will need to be some changes to the firmware and inserting tool.
Post by: NoZart on August 05, 2009, 08:12:00 AM
Post by: XbotWiz on August 05, 2009, 08:13:00 AM
QUOTE(sephiroth666 @ Aug 5 2009, 03:04 PM)
Very nice work if what you say is accurate. I will VOLENTARILY donate if this comes to light.
Any additional tools needed (i.e. connection kits) or will this be a similar method outlined at foundmy?
We have a lot of details covering this which we will post shortly,
Post by: Mjollnir on August 05, 2009, 08:16:00 AM
Post by: XbotWiz on August 05, 2009, 08:19:00 AM
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 5 2009, 03:06 PM)
Could you explain me why you can't use jungleflasher at the moment (maybe I a bit noob)... Didn't we only need the keys and then can use ix and jungleflasher?
The way JF works at the moment means it refuses to inject our new (slightly revised) key data into iextreme, due to this we have had to make our own software to inject the key into the ixtreme firmware, all other processes are the same as you have came to expect from the older Liteon drives,
The new toolset runs from your own PC (windows XP and 7 confirmed working), you get the new key from the software on your PC, you don't need to send any details to us (unlike foundmy.com), the toolset can be used as many times as you want, no limits at all,
We would like JF to be slightly revised so you can just use that in future but this will depend on c4eva as we would need to talk to him about a few things.
Post by: legssmit on August 05, 2009, 08:31:00 AM
One question though: will we need aditional hardware like an r232 to ttl converter or something ?
Thanks,
Post by: NoZart on August 05, 2009, 08:35:00 AM
But we will see. I will just wait for a month and then there is enough feedback from the more daring people
Post by: hetster on August 05, 2009, 08:41:00 AM
just erase it and reflash with your original dump..easy peasy lemon squeezy
Post by: majinsoftware on August 05, 2009, 08:42:00 AM
Its something all the DEVs dont want people to know about. Basiclly with it you can buy xboxs off ebay that people lost the key to. Then use the master key and then you have a working xbox again.
But then again the master key could just be a myth.
Post by: vb_encryption_vb on August 05, 2009, 08:50:00 AM
QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Aug 5 2009, 10:01 AM)
Im a bit sceptical about Team XWizX. New account created today, Only 2 posts. Google search finds nothing on them. But any way best of luck to them
Agree's. Could be someone looking for fame. I'm sick of the conspiracy theory's though.
QUOTE(XbotWiz @ Aug 5 2009, 10:19 AM)
The way JF works at the moment means it refuses to inject our new (slightly revised) key data into iextreme, due to this we have had to make our own software to inject the key into the ixtreme firmware, all other processes are the same as you have came to expect from the older Liteon drives,
The new toolset runs from your own PC (windows XP and 7 confirmed working), you get the new key from the software on your PC, you don't need to send any details to us (unlike foundmy.com), the toolset can be used as many times as you want, no limits at all,
We would like JF to be slightly revised so you can just use that in future but this will depend on c4eva as we would need to talk to him about a few things.
64 BIT support would be cool, both xp and 7
QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Aug 5 2009, 10:42 AM)
Maybe they found the master key, The master key being a key that you can use on any drive and it will tell the xbox that its correct.
Its something all the DEVs dont want people to know about. Basiclly with it you can buy xboxs off ebay that people lost the key to. Then use the master key and then you have a working xbox again.
But then again the master key could just be a myth.
Would be nice...I have a stack of xbox's with no keys and no RROD history....
Post by: XbotWiz on August 05, 2009, 08:54:00 AM
QUOTE(NoZart @ Aug 5 2009, 03:35 PM)
the "slightly revised key data" bit somehow makes me nervous. I mean, the key is just a string, right? If you "slightly revise it", its changed. Is that not bad?
But we will see. I will just wait for a month and then there is enough feedback from the more daring people
In revised it's more to do with the way it gets injected via JF, the end result (key, inject and flash) is the same result, it's just a way for us to get around some of the coding,
The main thing here is getting your key from the drive and injecting into iextreme, once you have done it you can use what you want to re-flash the drive,
The testing space is now FULL, more space should be available...
QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Aug 5 2009, 03:42 PM)
Maybe they found the master key, The master key being a key that you can use on any drive and it will tell the xbox that its correct.
Its something all the DEVs dont want people to know about. Basiclly with it you can buy xboxs off ebay that people lost the key to. Then use the master key and then you have a working xbox again.
But then again the master key could just be a myth.
I can't comment on any of that^
Post by: NoZart on August 05, 2009, 08:56:00 AM
QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 5 2009, 04:41 PM)
theres nothing daring in it..
just erase it and reflash with your original dump..easy peasy lemon squeezy
and have your xbox banned
remember: even when the xbox is offline, every failed boot and its circumstances get logged in a file in the xbox. next time you connect, that info gets uploaded. (this i read somewhere here on the forums, don´t know if its true, but makes sense to me)
Post by: NoZart on August 05, 2009, 09:01:00 AM
QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 5 2009, 04:58 PM)
having someone at foundmy.com having a record of your drive key in their systems when it gets raided lol..
exactly my point
no way i ever give out unique keys to anyone i dont know but IF this newcomer is legit, there is no need to anymore anyway.
And in 3 weeks nobody remembers foundmy anymore
Post by: majinsoftware on August 05, 2009, 09:05:00 AM
Good things come to those that wait.
Post by: hetster on August 05, 2009, 09:06:00 AM
QUOTE(NoZart @ Aug 5 2009, 04:01 PM)
And in 3 weeks nobody remembers foundmy anymore
oh they will lol..i think many many people will find it hard to forget foundmy.com.. not only has it done the scene an injustice he will have done himself an injustice when his orders for EVERYTHING start to fall off. no-one likes a rip off merchant. especialy a rip off merchant / con artist who actualy owns a shop lol
Post by: sancho_panza on August 05, 2009, 09:11:00 AM
QUOTE(NoZart @ Aug 5 2009, 05:01 PM)
exactly my point
no way i ever give out unique keys to anyone i dont know but IF this newcomer is legit, there is no need to anymore anyway.
And in 3 weeks nobody remembers foundmy anymore
I don't want to suppose this new team is a newcomer, not necessarily.
More likely they are someone who don't want to risk their errr.. ass and that are posting with a brand new account maybe through a proxy or something like this (to hide their IP) and all the things we don't know and hackers do to preserve themselves.
If, as Iriez claims, decrypting this firmware is so risky they are just right.
As far as we know behind them there could be Geremia and Maximus (this is pure speculation don't mind it)...
Lol this let me remind the good old times when a russian team (M33) appeared in the psp scene to destroy some diseased bug in the scene and then, after some months (and some bloody event) we discovered M33 was no other than Dark Alex
Post by: NoZart on August 05, 2009, 09:11:00 AM
QUOTE(NoZart @ Aug 5 2009, 05:01 PM)
exactly my point
no way i ever give out unique keys to anyone i dont know but IF this newcomer is legit, there is no need to anymore anyway.
And in 3 weeks nobody remembers foundmy anymore
newcomer to this whole discussion, i meant.
And in 3 weeks nobody will talk about foundmy anymore <--fixed that.
Sorry, my english is not that good
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 5 2009, 05:11 PM)
Lol this let me remind the good old times when a russian team (M33) appeared in the psp scene to destroy some diseased bug in the scene and then, after some months (and some bloody event) we discovered M33 was no other than Dark Alex
that was fun, back in the days. devhook CFW and all the drama
Its sometimes almost as funny as watching a movie when some hackers dispute arises and some drama queens are involved
Post by: hetster on August 05, 2009, 09:15:00 AM
either way i will be donating lol..if nothing else for the ride of the last 2 days and the soap opera that is the 360 scene
Post by: sancho_panza on August 05, 2009, 09:15:00 AM
QUOTE(NoZart @ Aug 5 2009, 05:11 PM)
newcomer to this whole discussion, i meant.
And in 3 weeks nobody will talk about foundmy anymore <--fixed that.
Sorry, my english is not that good
that was fun, back in the days. devhook CFW and all the drama
Its sometimes almost as funny as watching a movie when some hackers dispute arises and some drama queens are involved Ah ok, however I don't know if I'm right then there are others who expressed their doubts about xbotwiz
Post by: OggyUK on August 05, 2009, 09:19:00 AM
QUOTE(XbotWiz @ Aug 5 2009, 03:19 PM)
The way JF works at the moment means it refuses to inject our new (slightly revised) key data into iextreme, due to this we have had to make our own software to inject the key into the ixtreme firmware, all other processes are the same as you have came to expect from the older Liteon drives,
Load iXtreme as Target
Manual Spoof
Load key
Ok
LOE
Write
????
Post by: djkneegrow on August 05, 2009, 09:33:00 AM
QUOTE(NoZart @ Aug 5 2009, 09:01 AM)
And in 3 weeks nobody remembers foundmy anymore
Maybe foundmy will be the "munson" of the scene now.
If you don't get the joke watch Kingpin and then you will get it.
Post by: Carter33 on August 05, 2009, 10:15:00 AM
And there are people willing to put the time in for FREE and at personal risk.
I wont knock anyone for trying to make a living but i for one felt ripped of at the thought
of being made to pay for a key after already buying tools made by these said people. (so the rumor goes)
Would of thought the money generated by the tools and donations would of been enough.
GL XbotWiz and your team
Post by: DanB91 on August 05, 2009, 10:31:00 AM
QUOTE(XbotWiz @ Aug 5 2009, 09:32 AM)
Good News!
I'll keep this short and sweet but basically we WILL be releasing a FREE solution for the Liteon 83850c within the next two weeks (19/8/09), our new team (still recruiting too) have already successfully obtained the key from the drive and flashed back to it with no issues at all on twelve 360's,
This is our plan:
We will be releasing this solution totally free as it should be (charging for this service is a pi*s take), before we release this out to the public we are going to ask for around 50 "testers" who will be given the chance to get this solution early and report back to the team of any issues that we need to fix before release, please send me a pm to be a tester, we will have 25 places open for xbox-scene members.
The ONLY thing we ask in return will be for donations IF and ONLY IF you think we deserve a donation AFTER you have used the new tools, there will be no forced payments or silly fee's to get your keys!
We will also be trying to contact c4eva to see if we can come to some sort of agreement so we can release the solution in with a slightly revised iextreme 1.6/jungleflasher, if not we will do this without them as we already have our own software in beta which offers the same features as JF.
Iriez forgets to mention that there are MANY other teams out there that have the talent, experience and contacts to match the work already done except we will NOT charge for it simple as that.
Important:
If this thread/post gets deleted you can find us over on a few other well known 360 hacking sites....
Look forward to working with some of you.
Team XWizX
If this doesn't require the xtractor, can this solution be released for the older lite-ons?
Post by: XbotWiz on August 05, 2009, 11:09:00 AM
QUOTE(DanB91 @ Aug 5 2009, 05:31 PM)
If this doesn't require the xtractor, can this solution be released for the older lite-ons?
It's being looked into but the new 83850's don't use the same connection points as the older drives, this is why no probe is required to extract the key and to flash.
To be clear you SHOULD still use an xtractor or CK3 Pro (this is what we use), just no need for the probe/spear, there is also some "iffy" rumours going around that using the newest model 360 (F/ 512mb O/B) as a PSU during flashing could result in the system getting flagged due to the system reporting the DVD drive as being disconnected, this is just a rumour but is another reason why using an external extractor connected to your PC is the best way forward.
Post by: carniver on August 05, 2009, 11:12:00 AM
Still, it boggles me as to how foundmy.com could find the keys. Did they have their own cracking team or do they have insider links to MS database?
Post by: XbotWiz on August 05, 2009, 11:25:00 AM
The pricing structure Foundmy.com is charging is a complete joke, the work they have put into this is NOT worth $42 a key, the simple fact is this, they thought they would be the only people with the solution for a while so they decided to charge utterly stupid prices for it making a laughing stock out of the WHOLE 360 scene at the same time,
It is thanks to Foundmy.Com that we (Team XWizX) are here now, we didn't like what they was doing (charging for something that should be free) so decided to go ahead and get the FREE solution sorted instead, thanks Foundmy.com!
Post by: DanB91 on August 05, 2009, 11:26:00 AM
QUOTE(XbotWiz @ Aug 5 2009, 01:09 PM)
It's being looked into but the new 83850's don't use the same connection points as the older drives, this is why no probe is required to extract the key and to flash.
To be clear you SHOULD still use an xtractor or CK3 Pro (this is what we use), just no need for the probe/spear, there is also some "iffy" rumours going around that using the newest model 360 (F/ 512mb O/B) as a PSU during flashing could result in the system getting flagged due to the system reporting the DVD drive as being disconnected, this is just a rumour but is another reason why using an external extractor connected to your PC is the best way forward.
How does this rumor hold more weight than the older rumor that any 360 would be flagged if the DVD drive was disconnected? I'm just wondering here.
But when this solution is released the people who don't use a CK3 (which will be a lot of them) will be the guinea pigs, I guess.
I would also like to add that this is an AMAZING turnaround. Within 3 days you guys put a team together to decrypt the firmware which it seems barely too any work at all. +100 to you guys. Amazing work.
Post by: m3kal777 on August 05, 2009, 11:39:00 AM
Post by: letsmod on August 05, 2009, 11:49:00 AM
Post by: sancho_panza on August 05, 2009, 11:50:00 AM
QUOTE(carniver @ Aug 5 2009, 07:12 PM)
OH MY....so THX has owned MS once again?
Still, it boggles me as to how foundmy.com could find the keys. Did they have their own cracking team or do they have insider links to MS database?
Are you joking?
We are discussing about this for three days now. It's obvious the lad in foundmy is not a hacker and behind him there's a group of hacker somewhat endorsed by Iriez, who is the same spokesman of thx (this doesn't mean the group of hacker behind foundmy is the same, just that Iriez and thx team endorse the job foundmy is making for the scene).
Post by: xbox360sexual on August 05, 2009, 11:52:00 AM
QUOTE(letsmod @ Aug 5 2009, 06:49 PM)
*** Make that 13 just converted an 7xxxx to an 8xxxx with IX16 and works perfectly
Eh? XWizX has PM'd you the solution, and it works?
Post by: sancho_panza on August 05, 2009, 11:55:00 AM
QUOTE(DanB91 @ Aug 5 2009, 07:26 PM)
How does this rumor hold more weight than the older rumor that any 360 would be flagged if the DVD drive was disconnected? I'm just wondering here.
But when this solution is released the people who don't use a CK3 (which will be a lot of them) will be the guinea pigs, I guess.
Sorry? He's saying it's best NOT to use CK3 and use the standalone pc solution (insert the drive in the pc with x360 off, and extract, than flash)
Post by: letsmod on August 05, 2009, 11:56:00 AM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Aug 5 2009, 10:52 AM)
Eh? XWizX has PM'd you the solution, and it works?
not using there solution
Post by: sancho_panza on August 05, 2009, 11:56:00 AM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Aug 5 2009, 07:52 PM)
Eh? XWizX has PM'd you the solution, and it works?
I bet he's a betatester.
Post by: xbox360sexual on August 05, 2009, 11:57:00 AM
QUOTE(letsmod @ Aug 5 2009, 06:56 PM)
not using there solution
So what are you saying then, that you've flashed 8xxx f/w to a 7xxx drive? We can all do that, and it works just fine with the latest JF.
Post by: MrFish on August 05, 2009, 12:07:00 PM
QUOTE(Takieda @ Aug 5 2009, 07:11 AM)
What, precisely, is their business model? What money have they made, or do they make, in anything they do?
I believe their business model is to get people to send obfuscated key blocks and $42, whereupon they send back unobfuscated keys.
While some people might be interested in these keys out of mere curiosity, most would be wanting to put a hacked firmware on so as to play their backups.
No hacked firmware, no punters, no $42.
Post by: DanB91 on August 05, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 5 2009, 01:55 PM)
Sorry? He's saying it's best NOT to use CK3 and use the standalone pc solution (insert the drive in the pc with x360 off, and extract, than flash)
Read again.
"To be clear you SHOULD still use an xtractor or CK3 Pro (this is what we use)"
Post by: Philipsstar on August 05, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
QUOTE(MrFish @ Aug 5 2009, 07:07 PM)
I believe their business model is to get people to send obfuscated key blocks and $42, whereupon they send back unobfuscated keys.
While some people might be interested in these keys out of mere curiosity, most would be wanting to put a hacked firmware on so as to play their backups.
No hacked firmware, no punters, no $42.
Very good
Post by: Takieda on August 05, 2009, 12:23:00 PM
QUOTE(MrFish @ Aug 5 2009, 01:07 PM)
I believe their business model is to get people to send obfuscated key blocks and $42, whereupon they send back unobfuscated keys.
While some people might be interested in these keys out of mere curiosity, most would be wanting to put a hacked firmware on so as to play their backups.
No hacked firmware, no punters, no $42.
*sighs* from the get go, there is NO CONSPIRACY between THX and foundmy.com... Seriously, with the reputation that THX has, don't you think they could have gone to a more reputable company for this, should that have been their desire?
Aside from that, as stated multiple times, THX has NEVER made a penny for anything that they've done, why would everyone suddenly jump up, THIS ONE TIME and decide that, OOOOOOO they have to be out to scam us now. That is not now the american legal system works; that is not how justice works; that is how anonymous 4chan'ers work. Get over it, it's not real, it didn't happen.
QUOTE(Philipsstar @ Aug 5 2009, 01:09 PM)
Very good
No, not particularly, no secret business dealings between the two, thusly, the argument falls flat. If you think there IS something between the two, just don't go to foundmy.com, don't bother with them, no money spent is no money lost. Wait for THX, or some other group to release a free solution, and stop it with this lame conspiracy theories... seriously... moontruth, and now this? (yes, I'm equating the two, because of how silly BOTH are).
Sorry Iriez, apparently, no amount of discussion can convince these people, I'm out of this silly argument from here on out. Anyone for REASONABLE conversation, can quote me, but I will not be responding to more of this silliness.
Post by: Philipsstar on August 05, 2009, 12:26:00 PM
money for charity Maximus
I am willing to pay 10 $ A donation/
no commerce 42 $
Post by: LEON007 on August 05, 2009, 01:19:00 PM
QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 5 2009, 07:41 PM)
when a conspiracy theory starts its generaly a good idea to come right out and say "thats bulls**t"
the complete oppositte happened in iriez's case. he was thanking them and telling everyone to go to their site and use it. and that we should be thankful to them lol..dear oh dear..
and after all the insults and contradictions iriez threw at all the sceners with serious doubts and questions i dont think many people will listen to a word he says seriously again.
as for THX i sincerely hope they do not have any links to foundmy.com but with iriez as a spokesman they are actualy doing more harm than good..
i could point out lots of posts and quotes from iriez to argue my point just like you could then counter argue with other posts and quotes from iriez which just goes to show the contradiction and harm its done. i would have said doing but as i said nothing he says will be taken seriously again. even when half these posts get deleted and the bans start (i half expect to go to login screen every time i refresh through banning lol).
i'd say its beyond a conspiracy theory now. its allmost become fact wether it is or not and the sole reason for this must lie with iriez and NOT the theorists.
Exactly my thought. I am also feared that when my account get banned here in X-scene. Although I am not doing anything against the rule here. Just can not agree with iriez. Is that crime here??
Iriez openly said that go to foundmy and use there service. Isn't it advertise any site against the rule here??
On "LiteOn 83850c Hack" Thread Iriez clearly state that he was gave his life for free stuff to us and its time they can except something return. You know Iriez I learn many things from your post. You help me lot. I always looking for your post because I knew when you post something its to the point and correct. But when I saw you defending what foundmy asking for I am hurt. Really hurt.
I remember many days ago when Myth a well known PC game cracking group run there private paid FTP site. All sceners are stand against them. Same thing is happened here.
Please don't tell me that cracking securom,fade,starforce,vista OEM bios emulation, WPA,WGA are less illigal than this crypto.
Hope XWizX is not purchased by THX. XWizX dont disappoent us. We are counting on you
joking
Post by: sancho_panza on August 05, 2009, 01:40:00 PM
QUOTE(DanB91 @ Aug 5 2009, 08:09 PM)
Read again.
"To be clear you SHOULD still use an xtractor or CK3 Pro (this is what we use)"
Ok I reread carefully. You were right.
Post by: sancho_panza on August 05, 2009, 01:51:00 PM
QUOTE(Takieda @ Aug 5 2009, 08:23 PM)
Wait for THX, or some other group to release a free solution, and stop it with this lame conspiracy theories... seriously... moontruth, and now this? (yes, I'm equating the two, because of how silly BOTH are).
Sorry Iriez, apparently, no amount of discussion can convince these people, I'm out of this silly argument from here on out. Anyone for REASONABLE conversation, can quote me, but I will not be responding to more of this silliness.
Thx will *likely* release a free soltion when 83850c is out-stock, Iriez said, so we should wait a bit.
Hopefully someone else will release something before. And I don't care about conspiracy theories nor to say that thx is behind foundmy (each person here can have their opinion about), it's just a fact that Iriez (as THX spokesman) endorsed Foundmy.com, it's a fact that THX put in their docs (the readme) foundmy as the only solution available, and invited people who want flash their latest ixtreme to use it (certainly, not to avoid them). I am not against THX and do not think they will disagree what I'm saying, as those are facts.
Post by: Iriez on August 05, 2009, 02:03:00 PM
QUOTE(XbotWiz @ Aug 5 2009, 08:32 AM)
Good News!
I'll keep this short and sweet but basically we WILL be releasing a FREE solution for the Liteon 83850c within the next two weeks (19/8/09), our new team (still recruiting too) have already successfully obtained the key from the drive and flashed back to it with no issues at all on twelve 360's,
This is our plan:
We will be releasing this solution totally free as it should be (charging for this service is a pi*s take), before we release this out to the public we are going to ask for around 50 "testers" who will be given the chance to get this solution early and report back to the team of any issues that we need to fix before release, please send me a pm to be a tester, we will have 25 places open for xbox-scene members.
The ONLY thing we ask in return will be for donations IF and ONLY IF you think we deserve a donation AFTER you have used the new tools, there will be no forced payments or silly fee's to get your keys!
We will also be trying to contact c4eva to see if we can come to some sort of agreement so we can release the solution in with a slightly revised iextreme 1.6/jungleflasher, if not we will do this without them as we already have our own software in beta which offers the same features as JF.
Iriez forgets to mention that there are MANY other teams out there that have the talent, experience and contacts to match the work already done except we will NOT charge for it simple as that.
Important:
If this thread/post gets deleted you can find us over on a few other well known 360 hacking sites....
Look forward to working with some of you.
Team XWizX
First, why on earth do you think I would delete your post?
Second, why do you presume that I am against other groups working on this? You apparently do not know how involved I am with this scene. I have worked with over a 100 different developers and dozens of groups in the past 8 or 9 years for this scene. To imply that im holding back information is silly. Of course there are other people with talent. I work with most of them.
You've already contacted the maker of JungleFlasher, and he has already responded to you. We are all one big happy family here. Do you forget that JungleFlasher was released with Ixtreme? It was originally a Team Jungle Collaboration.
I am not opposed to a 'free' solution. What I am opposed to is releasing something that may hurt our scene more than help it.
Understand it from this perspective:
If by releasing a toolset that could be reverse enginered, and the secrets that you tried to hide within a tool come out in the open to MS/LiteOn/MTK, then you are basically handing them a golden ticket. You are saying "Here is the method we used to defeat your technology, go ahead and patch it".
Frankly, I would rather keep a few secrets, and see someone do it on the backend like foundmy, so that our scene may be protected in the long run.
People commonly fail to look at the bigger picture, not only because they are ignorant of what actually goes on, but because they cannot think past their own nose. Do you think you paying 30 or 40 dollars is a big deal? Its nothing. Your expenses are shavings of pennies compared to what the people who RUN this scene incur as costs to make sure that you complaining children can mod your xbox.
So, no, I am not opposed to working with anyone on providing alternative solutions. But you forget that I have already mentioned that alternative solutions were already thought of, and discussed. We unfortunately have not come up with a viable solution that will be more efficient than the current implementation.
Now, as for other news...
Im currently trying to work out a deal with foundmy to not only lower their prices, but to offer proceeds towards THX and the scene. Hell, maybe even donate some to the cancer foundations and starving children. I dont care, as long as more people are being benefitted from this.
So to all of you, i am doing my best to find a alternative solution for the public. I will keep you abreast of news as it comes! I hope to have something solidified very soon. At the very least, I want to see the price of this service dropped. I stated in my very first post that I thought this was too aggressive, and I hold by that. This is a license ....not a modchip. To be paid for your work is fair, but you also need to be fair in your pricing.
QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Aug 5 2009, 09:42 AM)
Maybe they found the master key, The master key being a key that you can use on any drive and it will tell the xbox that its correct.
Its something all the DEVs dont want people to know about. Basiclly with it you can buy xboxs off ebay that people lost the key to. Then use the master key and then you have a working xbox again.
But then again the master key could just be a myth.
wtf?
PLEASE do not spread this trash. I've never heard of this before, but its 100% false.
Post by: harrytasker on August 05, 2009, 02:04:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 09:56 PM)
Understand it from this perspective:
If by releasing a toolset that could be reverse enginered, and the secrets that you tried to hide within a tool come out in the open to MS/LiteOn/MTK, then you are basically handing them a golden ticket. You are saying "Here is the method we used to defeat your technology, go ahead and patch it".
Sounds fair enough to me.
I am not in to programming/hacking or whatsoever but isn't it possible to reverse engineer any toolset.
Isn't that how most hacks work?
Post by: Iriez on August 05, 2009, 02:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Carter33 @ Aug 5 2009, 11:15 AM)
Past 2 days have shocked me , But i am glad to see the SCENE is still alive.
And there are people willing to put the time in for FREE and at personal risk.
The scene is alive when people take personal risks to provide you with something for free?
........
Does anyone else find that concept good? I dont. Even though it might be practiced frequently, and quite courageously....its still a VERY selfish thing to request.
Its easy for joe blow who just needs to mod his xbox to make these kinds of statements. Your not risking jail time. You dont have a family that will starve if you get taken away in chains, or involved in a expensive litigation. *sighs*
QUOTE(XbotWiz @ Aug 5 2009, 12:25 PM)
I will also state this:
The pricing structure Foundmy.com is charging is a complete joke, the work they have put into this is NOT worth $42 a key, the simple fact is this, they thought they would be the only people with the solution for a while so they decided to charge utterly stupid prices for it making a laughing stock out of the WHOLE 360 scene at the same time,
It is thanks to Foundmy.Com that we (Team XWizX) are here now, we didn't like what they was doing (charging for something that should be free) so decided to go ahead and get the FREE solution sorted instead, thanks Foundmy.com!
I agree to some extent. The price is definitely way too much.
Just remember that doing something for free does not make you a hero if you hurt more than you help.
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 5 2009, 12:50 PM)
Are you joking?
We are discussing about this for three days now. It's obvious the lad in foundmy is not a hacker and behind him there's a group of hacker somewhat endorsed by Iriez, who is the same spokesman of thx (this doesn't mean the group of hacker behind foundmy is the same, just that Iriez and thx team endorse the job foundmy is making for the scene).
Its been publically stated that we are NOT endorsing them. Please stop spreading false information.
It is just a solution, and one that works. If it was not for them releasing their solution, you would have ZERO right now. Nothing. Squat. No IX, no keys, nothing.
So regardless of anyones personal opinions, facts are facts. I support the distribution of INFORMATION regarding foundmy and their practice, so that people may know they have options. Nothing more.
Post by: celltoolz on August 05, 2009, 02:22:00 PM
QUOTE
Understand it from this perspective:
If by releasing a toolset that could be reverse enginered, and the secrets that you tried to hide within a tool come out in the open to MS/LiteOn/MTK, then you are basically handing them a golden ticket. You are saying "Here is the method we used to defeat your technology, go ahead and patch it".
If you guys don't want to post the decryption algorithm ie. by releasing a decrypter, then all you would have to do is make a program (or add this function to JF) that uploads the firmware to a remote server, have that server automatically decrypt the Key and send it back to the user. This way there would only be a transfer of firmware data and they wouldn't see how the decryption actually works. Hope this makes any since i just blazed up. lol
.... Also this server could keep track of the amount of consoles being modded so you would get an idea of how many people are using this software. Any firmware acquired to this server of coarse would have to be (re)encrypted and stored safely so if MS ever did get there hands on it then they wouldn't be able to ban people's consoles. Or better yet save the Hard Drive space and don't store the firmware for longer then it's needed.
Just a suggestion
-CellToolz
Post by: XbotWiz on August 05, 2009, 02:32:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 09:03 PM)
First, why on earth do you think I would delete your post?
Second, why do you presume that I am against other groups working on this? You apparently do not know how involved I am with this scene. I have worked with over a 100 different developers and dozens of groups in the past 8 or 9 years for this scene. To imply that im holding back information is silly. Of course there are other people with talent. I work with most of them.
Sorry if it seems we are being "cautious" but I'm sure you can understand after the last few days of developments on the scene, the problem is this, no one here knows for sure who is or isn't involved with foundmy.com, we still don't....
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 09:03 PM)
You've already contacted the maker of JungleFlasher, and he has already responded to you. We are all one big happy family here. Do you forget that JungleFlasher was released with Ixtreme? It was originally a Team Jungle Collaboration.
We totally understand that but like everything in life things can change, sometimes for the worse, we're just protecting ourselves at the moment simple as that.
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 09:03 PM)
I am not opposed to a 'free' solution. What I am opposed to is releasing something that may hurt our scene more than help it.
Understand it from this perspective:
If by releasing a toolset that could be reverse enginered, and the secrets that you tried to hide within a tool come out in the open to MS/LiteOn/MTK, then you are basically handing them a golden ticket. You are saying "Here is the method we used to defeat your technology, go ahead and patch it".
Frankly, I would rather keep a few secrets, and see someone do it on the backend like foundmy, so that our scene may be protected in the long run.
Charging for a key is one thing, charging $42 for a key is a completely different matter, there was no need for it being so high, this is why our new team has been created to ensure there is another solution out there but one which is totally free for everyone to use while at the same time will NOT cause any issues for the scene down the line,
We have some very good coders working with us to ensure our toolkit will not be compromised and no details about how the key is extracted/created is given out, a LOT of thought has gone into every aspect of our work and isn't something that has just been thought up in the last few days....
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 09:03 PM)
People commonly fail to look at the bigger picture, not only because they are ignorant of what actually goes on, but because they cannot think past their own nose. Do you think you paying 30 or 40 dollars is a big deal? Its nothing. Your expenses are shavings of pennies compared to what the people who RUN this scene incur as costs to make sure that you complaining children can mod your xbox.
So, no, I am not opposed to working with anyone on providing alternative solutions. But you forget that I have already mentioned that alternative solutions were already thought of, and discussed. We unfortunately have not come up with a viable solution that will be more efficient than the current implementation.
We're a part of that "bigger picture" you mention but there is still no way on this planet anyone can justify charging people over $40 for a key that takes no longer than 10 seconds to generate,
You may not have came up with a viable solution but we certainly have...
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 09:03 PM)
Now, as for other news...
Im currently trying to work out a deal with foundmy to not only lower their prices, but to offer proceeds towards THX and the scene. Hell, maybe even donate some to the cancer foundations and starving children. I dont care, as long as more people are being benefitted from this.
Sorry to say this but I will believe this when I see it, hope your right but it may be a little too late now...
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 09:03 PM)
So to all of you, i am doing my best to find a alternative solution for the public. I will keep you abreast of news as it comes! I hope to have something solidified very soon. At the very least, I want to see the price of this service dropped. I stated in my very first post that I thought this was too aggressive, and I hold by that. This is a license ....not a modchip. To be paid for your work is fair, but you also need to be fair in your pricing.
Or you could keep the scene FREE and hope people donate for your work...
Post by: Iriez on August 05, 2009, 02:38:00 PM
QUOTE(celltoolz @ Aug 5 2009, 03:22 PM)
If you guys don't want to post the decryption algorithm ie. by releasing a decrypter, then all you would have to do is make a program (or add this function to JF) that uploads the firmware to a remote server, have that server automatically decrypt the Key and send it back to the user. This way there would only be a transfer of firmware data and they wouldn't see how the decryption actually works. Hope this makes any since i just blazed up. lol
.... Also this server could keep track of the amount of consoles being modded so you would get an idea of how many people are using this software. Any firmware acquired to this server of coarse would have to be (re)encrypted and stored safely so if MS ever did get there hands on it then they wouldn't be able to ban people's consoles. Or better yet save the Hard Drive space and don't store the firmware for longer then it's needed.
Just a suggestion
-CellToolz
That is what foundmy is doing. it has already been stated that THX has absolutely no plans of doing such a thing. Whoever ran this server would have to incur the cost of operation, plus run the risk of legal issues. It is not on the behalf of the team to take such risks.
Side note:
I have contacted XbotWiz to get connected to the right people to make progress on this front. He has already been given information by a member of JungleFlasher and has not responded. If he is serious about his statements he should have already joined.
Post by: xbox360sexual on August 05, 2009, 02:59:00 PM
QUOTE(celltoolz @ Aug 5 2009, 09:22 PM)
If you guys don't want to post the decryption algorithm ie. by releasing a decrypter
I honestly do not see the big deal with releasing the decrypt method. Either way, MS now know that their current encryption is compromised, so presumably they'll update to another encryption rendering any old tools useless.
Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on August 05, 2009, 03:00:00 PM
on serious note,good luck to all those who want to release a free solution,i will donate.good luck iriez on your quest for getting something for thx (even though i think they are in on it) i dont want to argue if they are not i would like to see them get donations.
i just hope they can get a solid solution away from taking control of the key away from us.
Post by: Klutsh on August 05, 2009, 03:05:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Aug 5 2009, 09:59 PM)
I honestly do not see the big deal with releasing the decrypt method. Either way, MS now know that their current encryption is compromised, so presumably they'll update to another encryption rendering any old tools useless.
Cause the law surrounding cryptography is totally different to just plain reverse engineering.
Would you risk a 25 year prison term just to give millions of people a FREE solution?
I know I would not.
Post by: xbox360sexual on August 05, 2009, 03:06:00 PM
QUOTE(Klutsh @ Aug 5 2009, 10:05 PM)
Cause the law surrounding cryptography is totally different to just plain reverse engineering.
Would you risk a 25 year prison term just to give millions of people a FREE solution?
I know I would not.
Releasing crypto anonymously would be easy, I thought this was already established..
Anyway, my main point being that Iriez and co seem to be discouraging the release of decrypt method because it would close up the last remaining hole for Liteon. tbh, just the fact that the encryption has been broken - as proved by foundmy.com , is surely enough for them to change their encryption, would you agree
Post by: Klutsh on August 05, 2009, 03:17:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Aug 5 2009, 10:06 PM)
Releasing crypto anonymously would be easy, I thought this was already established..
Anyway, my main point being that Iriez and co seem to be discouraging the release of decrypt method because it would close up the last remaining hole for Liteon. tbh, just the fact that the encryption has been broken - as proved by foundmy.com , is surely enough for them to change their encryption, would you agree
I agree with you in respect of foundmy & ms, but an anonymous release is not possible, it has to be uploaded by someone and their in starts a traceable route.
Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on August 05, 2009, 03:31:00 PM
QUOTE(Klutsh @ Aug 5 2009, 10:17 PM)
I agree with you in respect of foundmy & ms, but an anonymous release is not possible, it has to be uploaded by someone and their in starts a traceable route.
not when you use a laptop to a wifi connection in the middle of a realy busy highstreet in the back of a van.just jack a flat above a building and if the feds come knocking its at their door.running a pc on a permanent line you have in your home is stupid,a public libray,places like that will get you in trouble if they can positively id you,same for the equipment,you get rid of everything thats incriminating,like shove it in a fire,it destroys everything.
Post by: XbotWiz on August 05, 2009, 03:32:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 5 2009, 09:38 PM)
Side note:
I have contacted XbotWiz to get connected to the right people to make progress on this front. He has already been given information by a member of JungleFlasher and has not responded. If he is serious about his statements he should have already joined.
I've only just seen your message Iriez, expect a pm back
Post by: zyo on August 05, 2009, 03:48:00 PM
QUOTE(XbotWiz @ Aug 5 2009, 06:09 PM)
It's being looked into but the new 83850's don't use the same connection points as the older drives, this is why no probe is required to extract the key and to flash.
To be clear you SHOULD still use an xtractor or CK3 Pro (this is what we use), just no need for the probe/spear, there is also some "iffy" rumours going around that using the newest model 360 (F/ 512mb O/B) as a PSU during flashing could result in the system getting flagged due to the system reporting the DVD drive as being disconnected, this is just a rumour but is another reason why using an external extractor connected to your PC is the best way forward.
hi mate
I am one of the earliest unlucky ones on xbox-scene to receive one of these babies.
As I am a software engineer myself I am pretty savy with software/encryption/hardware/programming myself. How can I become a tester? your pm seems to be turned off
Post by: commadore64 on August 05, 2009, 03:49:00 PM
Remain independent - this keeps balance and encourages new ideas
I dont have one of those drives but I will send you $24 (reverse of $42) for the effort when I see the program come to light
Post by: XbotWiz on August 05, 2009, 03:50:00 PM
QUOTE(zyo @ Aug 5 2009, 10:48 PM)
hi mate
I am one of the earliest unlucky ones on xbox-scene to receive one of these babies.
As I am a software engineer myself I am pretty savy with software/encryption/hardware/programming myself. How can I become a tester? your pm seems to be turned off
Give me 5 minutes then PM me, the pm's are full again lol
Post by: zyo on August 05, 2009, 03:57:00 PM
Post by: Cisk on August 05, 2009, 04:49:00 PM
QUOTE(Klutsh @ Aug 5 2009, 10:17 PM)
I agree with you in respect of foundmy & ms, but an anonymous release is not possible, it has to be uploaded by someone and their in starts a traceable route.
Come on, 1st of all it could be a cloned modem, sure Iriez is on sbhacker.
2nd Upload to Newsgroups via a SSL tunnel.
3rd Outside America.
Then it spreads easy
Dont think god could prove who uploaded it.
Post by: Jbasto on August 05, 2009, 05:06:00 PM
QUOTE(Cisk @ Aug 5 2009, 06:49 PM)
Come on, 1st of all it could be a cloned modem, sure Iriez is on sbhacker.
LMAO !!!
I dont think his in SBH lol but that is always an alternative !!!
Post by: zyo on August 05, 2009, 05:18:00 PM
Post by: wantin2mod on August 05, 2009, 05:24:00 PM
1) Xbox-scene rocks as does the modding community, i.g. THX, Team Jungle, C4Eva, Iriez, FrostyTheSnowman, just to name a few and the list goes on....
But in addition to these names are the ones whom help create the community, in short, the users. I'm a faithful part of this community and happy to be a user who always wants to share/give my part.
2) Tons of work has gone into the research and development to create the tools, firmware, etc. to help the community achieve all the great strides which have taken place!
3) Give credit to where credit is due. The creators/developers of such work are definitely due!
4) The community are comprised of mostly users, who are in sorts, a large beta testing team and it seems lately, want a free ride always looking for a hand-out which costs them zilch.
Money is getting tight for everybody across the globe and the ones reading this thread are no exception.
5) This community is a type of Robin Hood society in where we all are "the poor" expecting to receive gifts from "Robin Hood", the as it were savior, giving us the way to an easier life.
6) Users should be helping the modding community by giving what they can to the further its growth. Users cant just take and take without ever expecting to contribute something. Users, you need to put up (money, any amount in a contribution), or shut up. Especially those whom do this for a living, flashing many 360s in just one day .. These individuals DEFINITELY need to contribute monetarily.
THX, Team Jungle, C4Eva ..for all intents and purposes, you are our Robin Hood. Robin Hood never did it for capital gain but for the need of the poor. The big brains, programming experts, technical savvy persons of the teams should be doing it for the glory, not the money.
And Users, you need to contribute something (money donation)!! With out your Robin Hood, you .we would be no where!
Ok. It wasnt that short but I had to share my feelings.
Peace,
Wantin2mod
Post by: GISJason on August 05, 2009, 05:26:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Aug 5 2009, 03:59 PM)
I honestly do not see the big deal with releasing the decrypt method. Either way, MS now know that their current encryption is compromised, so presumably they'll update to another encryption rendering any old tools useless.
Maybe They don't want them to keep on pumping out new drives and patches to fix and render these old tools useless as that's what's been going on since day one. The next fix / patch or whatever may close the door for good.. ie tougher encryption.. So they prob need to take it easy and stop pwnin' M$ every damn time they come out with some new fix and makin' it public right away, so Billy Boy Gates can have his corp grab a copy of it and reverse engineer it and see what the hell these hackers have been slipping into their apps to pwn em and fix it.
Post by: topspinner on August 05, 2009, 05:39:00 PM
Post by: reddwarf on August 05, 2009, 05:40:00 PM
Of course it would be short sighted to not expect a change in encryption algorithm or method but this may be some time in coming, I would suspect. No one wants to write off anything, especially in these times, so I would expect to see these drives around in the wild for quite a while. Lets see how it all shakes down.
This post has been edited by reddwarf: Aug 6 2009, 12:41 AM
Post by: Iriez on August 05, 2009, 08:36:00 PM
Cant say that I agree with the release of it, but im sure it will make alot of you happy.