Post by: Xbox-Scene on August 02, 2009, 11:22:00 PM
| >> foundmy.com has apparently released a solution to get key data from a LiteOn. Quote
This site has apparently been validated by several users so far and appears legitimate. iXtreme will likely be released soon in response to this method! Official Site: www.foundmy.com |
Post by: Iriez on August 02, 2009, 11:28:00 PM
ixtreme to come by the end of this week in response.
Post by: dangal on August 02, 2009, 11:30:00 PM
Post by: AmyGrrl on August 02, 2009, 11:36:00 PM
Post by: |GateKeeper| on August 02, 2009, 11:45:00 PM
I will put up money for R & D for who ever wants to come up with the free solution ..
email me or mess me ..
Post by: dsavage on August 02, 2009, 11:46:00 PM
i don't even have the new drive, but still hopefully there will be a better home solution in the future, whether it hardware or software based
i mean come on, i suppose this is better than nothing but still.
Post by: treyking11 on August 02, 2009, 11:58:00 PM
Post by: Demonsc on August 03, 2009, 12:09:00 AM
Post by: jeffrey1790 on August 03, 2009, 12:13:00 AM
Post by: Usuario-X on August 03, 2009, 12:40:00 AM
Post by: dreamramon on August 03, 2009, 12:55:00 AM
QUOTE(jeffrey1790 @ Aug 3 2009, 08:13 AM) 
WASTE OF MONEY. wait later this week/next week
It's not the same grp who hacked it?
Post by: Perkele on August 03, 2009, 01:24:00 AM
Hopefully this program works on the 'old' Liteons too and if we get enough results, we could get the key to decode the bin ourselves.
ps. Is this news are an ad for foundmy?
This post has been edited by Perkele: Aug 3 2009, 08:35 AM
Post by: krukaze on August 03, 2009, 02:07:00 AM
QUOTE(Usuario-X @ Aug 3 2009, 07:40 AM)
obtain two .bin files from two diferent drives and compare it, post the results here
Well said
Post by: sephiroth666 on August 03, 2009, 02:26:00 AM
Post by: BigBoss32 on August 03, 2009, 02:31:00 AM
It would have been best to wait a little longer for TeamJungle to finalize their free solution and release it once the drives were even more widespread.
If you're thinking of ordering it, wait a few more days and send that $42 to TeamJungle.
Post by: Tron[ADS] on August 03, 2009, 02:47:00 AM
Post by: BigBoss32 on August 03, 2009, 03:00:00 AM
Post by: majinsoftware on August 03, 2009, 03:34:00 AM
I just tryed it on a 83850c drive and it comes back with the key (just opening the file with hex edit) And tried it on a old version already flashed but the key section was all .........
Dont have any stock of the old drive at moment so i cant test it.
Post by: Tron[ADS] on August 03, 2009, 03:38:00 AM
QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Aug 3 2009, 10:34 AM) 
Some one try the program on a stock old version of the drive.
I just tryed it on a 83850c drive and it comes back with the key (just opening the file with hex edit) And tried it on a old version already flashed but the key section was all .........
Dont have any stock of the old drive at moment so i cant test it.
Thats a shame....I was hoping it might be a simple algorithm, so I was going to flash an old one with some easily identifyable keys, like all 1's or 0's and see if it could be easily seen and deduced from the bin file.
Post by: majinsoftware on August 03, 2009, 03:43:00 AM
Thats why some one needs to test old version that still has stock firmware.
Read it off with the program.
Then read key with probe.
And compare them and see what they are using to encrypt the key. Could be something really simple like just replacing letters.
Post by: MickRick on August 03, 2009, 04:14:00 AM
Seriously, if you're thinking of paying for this service - dont! Keep your money in your pocket, wait a short while till the ixtreme comes out and then do it yourself. Better still, if you live in the general UK area, pay me to do it for you. Handsome rates lol.
Post by: BoNg420 on August 03, 2009, 04:17:00 AM
There have been many other people who have had issues with them in the past...
This post has been edited by BoNg420: Aug 3 2009, 11:19 AM
Post by: HOMiE7 on August 03, 2009, 04:26:00 AM
Manufactured: August, 2008
HW Ver.: A0A1
FW Ver.: 74850C
iXtreme 1.6
CODE
Put drive in the half tray position and then power cycle.
Для продолжения нажмите любую клавишу . . .
........................
Now Open the tray.
Для продолжения нажмите любую клавишу . . .
..........
Your key String is
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
Your Inquiry String is
0000: 05 80 00 32 5B 00 00 00 - 50 4C 44 53 20 20 20 20 ...2[...PLDS
0010: 44 47 2D 31 36 44 32 53 - 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 DG-16D2S
0020: 37 34 38 35 30 43 41 30 - 41 31 44 36 30 38 43 47 74850CA0A1D608CG
0030: 38 33 33 39 30 37 30 31 - 30 46 30 20 20 20 00 00 833907010F0 ..
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
Your Serial Block is
0000: 44 36 30 38 43 47 38 33 - 33 39 30 37 30 31 30 46 D608CG833907010F
0010: 30 20 20 20 FF FF FF FF - 38 47 33 31 30 37 35 30 0 ....8G310750
0020: 31 37 45 34 31 34 58 58 - 41 30 FF FF 53 34 50 38 17E414XXA0..S4P8
0030: 38 31 34 30 30 30 30 30 - 31 31 34 34 34 33 00 00 81400000114443..
0040: FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF 41 31 FF FF ............A1..
Data written to D608CG833907010F0.bin
:-)
Для продолжения нажмите любую клавишу . . .
........................
Now Open the tray.
Для продолжения нажмите любую клавишу . . .
..........
Your key String is
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0030: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0060: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
Your Inquiry String is
0000: 05 80 00 32 5B 00 00 00 - 50 4C 44 53 20 20 20 20 ...2[...PLDS
0010: 44 47 2D 31 36 44 32 53 - 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 DG-16D2S
0020: 37 34 38 35 30 43 41 30 - 41 31 44 36 30 38 43 47 74850CA0A1D608CG
0030: 38 33 33 39 30 37 30 31 - 30 46 30 20 20 20 00 00 833907010F0 ..
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
Your Serial Block is
0000: 44 36 30 38 43 47 38 33 - 33 39 30 37 30 31 30 46 D608CG833907010F
0010: 30 20 20 20 FF FF FF FF - 38 47 33 31 30 37 35 30 0 ....8G310750
0020: 31 37 45 34 31 34 58 58 - 41 30 FF FF 53 34 50 38 17E414XXA0..S4P8
0030: 38 31 34 30 30 30 30 30 - 31 31 34 34 34 33 00 00 81400000114443..
0040: FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF 41 31 FF FF ............A1..
Data written to D608CG833907010F0.bin
:-)
Post by: majinsoftware on August 03, 2009, 04:39:00 AM
Post by: Tron[ADS] on August 03, 2009, 05:02:00 AM
QUOTE(MickRick @ Aug 3 2009, 11:14 AM)
wait a short while till the ixtreme comes out and then do it yourself.
Iriez says that a new Ixtreme is coming very soon, he doesnt state an alternative free key extraction method is though. As I read it, its just a firmware to flash once the key is known. I have no doubt that one will surface in due course, but it could still be quite a wait.
One thing I do think though, is that the new Liteon firmware must be very similar, if not near identical to the old Liteon, as Ixtreme for the 83850 seems to have potentialy become available very quickly.
It will of course be nice if a free solution does become available, but im not so sure it will just yet.
Post by: majinsoftware on August 03, 2009, 05:12:00 AM
This is just speculation
But this program is probably uses the base exploit that C4E had to of known about.
Same exploit that was in 74850C drives but what chosen not to use because leaving it unknown to the public prevented MS from knowing to patch it in later version of the drive, (which they obviously didn't due to it being used now)
Sort of how they hacked the ipod touch gen 2.
Keeping the true hack a secrete in hopes that it would be in the new iphone so every one was forced to use the teathered method. And then they wore forced to release it early because some one else found out about it and started to charge people to use it.
So expect to see a new version of jungle flasher soon that will let you extract the key from 74850C and 83850C drives with out needing to use serial any more.
Post by: HOMiE7 on August 03, 2009, 05:17:00 AM
Post by: maggot555by666 on August 03, 2009, 05:22:00 AM
This post has been edited by maggot555by666: Aug 3 2009, 12:22 PM
Post by: Napek on August 03, 2009, 05:32:00 AM
Same size and most of code...
hexedit result:
CODE
c:\xbox360\Projects\DVDKey_32_enc\DVDKey_32\Debug\DVDKey_32.pdb
Post by: deilzfcjk on August 03, 2009, 05:34:00 AM
Post by: HOMiE7 on August 03, 2009, 05:48:00 AM
This post has been edited by HOMiE7: Aug 3 2009, 12:49 PM
Post by: Napek on August 03, 2009, 05:48:00 AM
QUOTE(deilzfcjk @ Aug 3 2009, 01:34 PM)
Who says you do not need a device to get the key from the drive? Maybe only foundmy has it. They are just doing for a fee for right now, until they sell the device later.
lol pls read instructions
Post by: DoomSayerSantos on August 03, 2009, 05:54:00 AM
QUOTE(deilzfcjk @ Aug 3 2009, 01:34 PM)
Who says you do not need a device to get the key from the drive? Maybe only foundmy has it. They are just doing for a fee for right now, until they sell the device later.
Yea right a device that loads .bin files from e-mails.
What have you been smoking.
Post by: Zoneout on August 03, 2009, 05:54:00 AM
QUOTE(deilzfcjk @ Aug 3 2009, 09:34 PM)
Who says you do not need a device to get the key from the drive? Maybe only foundmy has it. They are just doing for a fee for right now, until they sell the device later.
It is extracted via SATA, the information into xxxx.bin by the lite83 prog. The key is probably scrambled or in some location, I'm sure it won't be hard to figure it out. Somebody can go as far as getting that $42 service and compare the file.
It's either:
- He got the prog by Team X earlier than others (probably paid for it).
- Leaked, and using it for-profit
And why would they need a hardware extractor when they are only asking for the .bin file, not the drive.
Guys don't even bother with his service, it's just to suck in the noobs, take your time
- I do have an 83850C drive, so I will be looking at the .bin files late ron, when I have the time.
- Zoneout
Post by: Ceazer on August 03, 2009, 06:40:00 AM
EPIC FAIL>>>
Post by: majinsoftware on August 03, 2009, 06:46:00 AM
If I knew the key of that drive then Id be able to work out how they have scrambled it.
But there no real point into putting any effort into it when it should be a public method soon.
Post by: kl1k on August 03, 2009, 06:51:00 AM
It only costs around $5 to build your own liteon reader.
Post by: idog on August 03, 2009, 06:52:00 AM
Here's a snippet (of the proc1(), (called from proc4(), called from main()) :
CODE
union { unsigned int[] x1; __size32 x2; } global1;
void proc1();
// address: 0x4036c0
void proc1(__size32 param1, int param2) {
__size32 ebp; // r29
unsigned int ecx; // r25
__size32 edx; // r26
void *esp; // r28
flags = SUBFLAGS32(param2, 4, param2 - 4);
if (param2 >= 4) {
L2:
edx = *(&global1 + 32);
proc1(pc, param1, 1, 4, edx, ebp, param1, param2, param1, 1, edx, esp - 4, flags, ZF, CF);
} else {
flags = LOGICALFLAGS32(param2);
if (param2 < 0) {
goto L2;
} else {
ecx = global1[param2];
edx = global1[param2];
if (ecx != -1) {
proc1(pc, param1, ecx, param2, edx, ebp, param1, param2, param1, ecx, edx, esp - 4, SUBFLAGS32(ecx, -1, ecx + 1), ecx + 1 == 0, ecx < (unsigned int)-1);
}
}
}
return;
}
void proc1();
// address: 0x4036c0
void proc1(__size32 param1, int param2) {
__size32 ebp; // r29
unsigned int ecx; // r25
__size32 edx; // r26
void *esp; // r28
flags = SUBFLAGS32(param2, 4, param2 - 4);
if (param2 >= 4) {
L2:
edx = *(&global1 + 32);
proc1(pc, param1, 1, 4, edx, ebp, param1, param2, param1, 1, edx, esp - 4, flags, ZF, CF);
} else {
flags = LOGICALFLAGS32(param2);
if (param2 < 0) {
goto L2;
} else {
ecx = global1[param2];
edx = global1[param2];
if (ecx != -1) {
proc1(pc, param1, ecx, param2, edx, ebp, param1, param2, param1, ecx, edx, esp - 4, SUBFLAGS32(ecx, -1, ecx + 1), ecx + 1 == 0, ecx < (unsigned int)-1);
}
}
}
return;
}
Post by: Cedru on August 03, 2009, 07:35:00 AM
Being that Iriez said there would be an additional step to perform, if you could not apply the 1.6 and write it back into your drive, this service is kind of useless, is it not?
As stated in another thread, I would much rather wait for THX and Team Jungle to do what they do best than to give my key files to someone whom I do not even recall hearing about.
It'd be hilarious if they were giving these keys to M$ for a Ban Wave later on!!!!
Cedru
Post by: Iriez on August 03, 2009, 08:12:00 AM
QUOTE(HOMiE7 @ Aug 3 2009, 06:48 AM)
Iriez, how about free solution to obtain the unique encryption key? Will it be released with new iXtreme?
Of course there will be a free ixtreme.
That does NOT mean that the team will figure out a way to decrypt the key data. We've obviously already looked at the method, and its nothing new. The key data is encrypted. The exe just dumps that info. Yes it appears to be a slightly altered dvdkey32 ....*shrugs* ....why do double work?
The problem is the encryption. Even if we defeat the crypt we cannot release the algo to the public. That would be incredibly illegal.
foundmy has come up with a solution to what was the main thing holding the release of ixtreme back. The firmware has already been in the works and we've had solutions to read/write firmware. However that is not the same as read/write key data!
The crypt used on these drives are NOT simple. If we found a way to decrypt the key data this moment, you would still never see it released to public. Its simply very illegal.
So I hate to break it to everyone, but its looking like this will be the only solution.
While I agree $42 is abit steep....its a very small price to pay for the modification of what is previously a unmodifiable drive. And for those of you modding for others? Its not coming out of your pocket, so stop complaining. Infact, everyone should stop complaining period. If someone has spent hard work to figure out something then they should be rewarded for it.
Who knows, maybe HyperX will get with MS to sue foundmy?
lol j/k
Post by: |GateKeeper| on August 03, 2009, 08:14:00 AM
THIS IS INSANE!
SOLUTION: come up with a new team to create a new method of decoding this information. whoever is interested and willing to donate and fund project let me know. pm or message me. Also the members of the team will need a feww of the new drives on hand, so if any of you want a free method and a willing to donate new liteon drives pm or message me. I will donate and older liteon drive(i dont have a new one), connectivity kit, and the usb extractor kit up to 5 units for anyone will to help.
my personal email is [email protected] email if you are interested in this or need the parts as I will donate as many as i can.
OUR GOAL: the dump is full encrypted and needs to be decrypted to read the hex file.
Post by: brain27 on August 03, 2009, 08:28:00 AM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 03:12 PM)
Of course there will be a free ixtreme.
That does NOT mean that the team will figure out a way to decrypt the key data. We've obviously already looked at the method, and its nothing new. The key data is encrypted. The exe just dumps that info. Yes it appears to be a slightly altered dvdkey32 ....*shrugs* ....why do double work?
The problem is the encryption. Even if we defeat the crypt we cannot release the algo to the public. That would be incredibly illegal.
foundmy has come up with a solution to what was the main thing holding the release of ixtreme back. The firmware has already been in the works and we've had solutions to read/write firmware. However that is not the same as read/write key data!
The crypt used on these drives are NOT simple. If we found a way to decrypt the key data this moment, you would still never see it released to public. Its simply very illegal.
So I hate to break it to everyone, but its looking like this will be the only solution.
While I agree $42 is abit steep....its a very small price to pay for the modification of what is previously a unmodifiable drive. And for those of you modding for others? Its not coming out of your pocket, so stop complaining. Infact, everyone should stop complaining period. If someone has spent hard work to figure out something then they should be rewarded for it.
Who knows, maybe HyperX will get with MS to sue foundmy?
lol j/k WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!
This cant be happening. So we're forced to pay 42 dollars to foundmy.com to get our key right?
Why cant someone else do the thing foundmy.com is doing but for free. That way we will all get our key!
But then again its not that simple.
THIS IS P1$$1NG ME OFF
Someone please reassure me that this not happening.
Post by: drgaston on August 03, 2009, 08:29:00 AM
This post has been edited by drgaston: Aug 3 2009, 03:30 PM
Post by: HotKnife420 on August 03, 2009, 08:30:00 AM
QUOTE(treyking11 @ Aug 3 2009, 06:58 AM)
$42 bucks? you have to be kidding! i will wait for the smart guys who have brought us this far IN THE NAME OF THE SCENE, NOT THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR to get us past this hurdle. fucking clown shoes...
I remember when softmods were first coming around on the xbox 1 everyone was screaming "modchips", if nothing else as a way to "finance the scene".
It's nice to see a change in things, tho.
QUOTE(BigBoss32 @ Aug 3 2009, 09:31 AM)
This doesn't help anyone except the Foundmy people.
It would have been best to wait a little longer for TeamJungle to finalize their free solution and release it once the drives were even more widespread.
If you're thinking of ordering it, wait a few more days and send that $42 to TeamJungle.
It's most economical, yes, but what's wrong with competition in this section of the scene? Why should Team HyperX be more deserving at a point in time where the competition has the jump? I'm not saying that they're not; just saying that foundmy is doing nothing wrong, here. The fact that it's pricey is irrelevant. They did the work to devise a solution for those drives, and therefore are entitled to distribute it by the means they consider necessary to do so. My guess is that the people behind foundmy are probably like "engineer mercenaries".
Either way, nothing's wrong with them offering to do this for people. Unless, of course, you think they need to shut down the firmware flashers forum, as well...
QUOTE
' date='Aug 3 2009, 12:02 PM' post='4514586']
Iriez says that a new Ixtreme is coming very soon, he doesnt state an alternative free key extraction method is though. As I read it, its just a firmware to flash once the key is known. I have no doubt that one will surface in due course, but it could still be quite a wait.
One thing I do think though, is that the new Liteon firmware must be very similar, if not near identical to the old Liteon, as Ixtreme for the 83850 seems to have potentialy become available very quickly.
It will of course be nice if a free solution does become available, but im not so sure it will just yet.
Iriez says that a new Ixtreme is coming very soon, he doesnt state an alternative free key extraction method is though. As I read it, its just a firmware to flash once the key is known. I have no doubt that one will surface in due course, but it could still be quite a wait.
One thing I do think though, is that the new Liteon firmware must be very similar, if not near identical to the old Liteon, as Ixtreme for the 83850 seems to have potentialy become available very quickly.
It will of course be nice if a free solution does become available, but im not so sure it will just yet.
It should be about the same difference as a Samsung with ms25 firmware versus one with ms28. Team HyperX has also announced earlier that they had a way to extract the keys from the new drive, and it'd be released when these drives start popping up off retail shelves.
Post by: |GateKeeper| on August 03, 2009, 08:32:00 AM
THIS IS INSANE!
SOLUTION: come up with a new team to create a new method of decoding this information. whoever is interested and willing to donate and fund project let me know. pm or message me. Also the members of the team will need a feww of the new drives on hand, so if any of you want a free method and a willing to donate new liteon drives pm or message me. I will donate and older liteon drive(i dont have a new one), connectivity kit, and the usb extractor kit up to 5 units for anyone will to help.
my personal email is [email protected] email if you are interested in this or need the parts as I will donate as many as i can.
OUR GOAL: the dump is full encrypted and needs to be decrypted to read the hex file.
Post by: brain27 on August 03, 2009, 08:41:00 AM
Post by: sephiroth666 on August 03, 2009, 08:43:00 AM
Is this the "foundmy" the workaround or will there still be other methods avaliable?
Post by: syph007 on August 03, 2009, 08:51:00 AM
example:
http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/...my-c147971.html
many many more.
The guy that runs it is a complete scammer, took my money, no comunication, never even sent out a damn thing. Filed a detailed report with VISA so they are aware of how bad they are. IT was only 80 bucks (had orderd a dvd drive) but i got it back in full , if not 60 days later.
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Foundmy
Avoid at all costs, and good luck ever getting a reply from the dick.
This post has been edited by syph007: Aug 3 2009, 04:06 PM
Post by: FrostyTheSnowman on August 03, 2009, 08:51:00 AM
I think that if Team HyperX has flat-out TOLD you that an 83850C key dumping/decypting utility is not going to be released (from what I have gathered from Iriez's posts), then we should at least be happy that we even have the Foundmy.com solution.
Perhaps a key dumping/decrypting tool will be released or 'leaked' in the future, but until then we should be happy to have this option available. $42 is NOT that much money considering the value of knowing your key on an Lite-On 83850C machine.
After all, without using the current Foundmy.com solution you are screwed otherwise. (for the moment)
This post has been edited by FrostyTheSnowman: Aug 3 2009, 03:55 PM
Post by: brain27 on August 03, 2009, 08:55:00 AM
QUOTE(FrostyTheSnowman @ Aug 3 2009, 03:51 PM)
People in this scene are too used to handouts these days...
I think that if Team HyperX has flat-out TOLD you that an 83850C key dumping/decypting utility is not going to be released (from what I have gathered from Iriez's posts), then we should at least be happy that we even have the Foundmy.com solution.
Perhaps a key dumping/decrypting tool will be released or 'leaked' in the future, but until then we should be happy to have this option available. $42 is NOT that much money considering the value of knowing your key on an Lite-On 83850C machine.
After all, without using the current Foundmy.com solution you are screwed otherwise. (for the moment)
yep thats true
Post by: Zoneout on August 03, 2009, 08:58:00 AM
QUOTE(FrostyTheSnowman @ Aug 4 2009, 12:51 AM)
People in this scene are too used to handouts these days...
I think that if Team HyperX has flat-out TOLD you that an 83850C key dumping/decypting utility is not going to be released (from what I have gathered from Iriez's posts), then we should at least be happy that we even have the Foundmy.com solution.
Perhaps a key dumping/decrypting tool will be released or 'leaked' in the future, but until then we should be happy to have this option available. $42 is NOT that much money considering the value of knowing your key on an Lite-On 83850C machine.
After all, without using the current Foundmy.com solution you are screwed otherwise. (for the moment)
Pretty obvious money grab if you'd ask me.
Think about this, every single 83850C with the key retrieved = $42.
$42 x hundreds of people a day = $thousands.
They will be rich buggers in no time.
I'm not surprised that the team has now turned to money, after all.
I wouldn't have minded if it was between $5 to $12 USD, $42 is nothing but greed, sorry I had to say it.
This post has been edited by Zoneout: Aug 3 2009, 04:01 PM
Post by: hetster on August 03, 2009, 09:16:00 AM
even though this drive appears to be hacked it may as well not be. it would just make me not bother and be a bit more careful with my games so as not to need backups.
things are great when they are free. it makes people feel part of a community. like an open source hacking community. that has just been sadly torn away from us to a single allmighty power. this usualy leads to bad things and corruption. the reason team hyperX allways got praise and support was due to their belief in open hacking..
i have just had 2 callers come with the new drives and i have turned them away and also told them that i no longer mod drives. if they want to pay a single company the money then good luck to them but i refuse point blank. i hope they find someone willing to do it for them but i'm out of it. i will continue to read through the posts and watch the corruption and bitching start..i fear that this is the beginning of the end of free hacks and where the gredy business men and organised crime lords take over :-(
if i was iriez i would actualy stop praising them and actualy stop the releaseof ixtreme for the drive till they drop their prices..they will sell a limited few for drive replacements only
This post has been edited by hetster: Aug 3 2009, 04:28 PM
Post by: Bazdoctor on August 03, 2009, 09:24:00 AM
Post by: sadalius on August 03, 2009, 09:25:00 AM
Post by: crazycrak on August 03, 2009, 09:34:00 AM
Post by: ekruob on August 03, 2009, 09:41:00 AM
This post has been edited by ekruob: Aug 3 2009, 04:45 PM
Post by: Bazdoctor on August 03, 2009, 09:50:00 AM
QUOTE(ekruob @ Aug 4 2009, 01:41 AM)
Wont decompiling the iXtreme LiteOn firmware reveal the exact encryption algorithm being used?
As i said before. I think some reading between the lines is needed.
Post by: sadalius on August 03, 2009, 09:51:00 AM
Post by: Zoneout on August 03, 2009, 09:59:00 AM
What I know is that the coder of the software is introduced to the jungle flasher team by Foundmy.com. supposively he went to foundmy.com and made this offer, and Foundmy.com accepted it. based on what I know the software will take the information that is pulled from the liteon drive, decode it and then give you your key. Also foundmy.com has made a BIG investment on this project to be they only one able to have this service. So in my opnion unless the coder gets bought out there is no free service coming out anytime soon.
Hit the nail on the head.
Post by: brain27 on August 03, 2009, 09:59:00 AM
Post by: DanB91 on August 03, 2009, 10:08:00 AM
QUOTE(brain27 @ Aug 3 2009, 11:59 AM) 
Hey!!! We might still be in luck. (solution+Torrents)
That is if someone leaks the algorithm, which I doubt. This is not large company, this seems to be a small company with a few people and thus less chance for leakage.
Though, it would be VERY nice to be able to hack the lite-on without any extra hardware needed.
Post by: BoNg420 on August 03, 2009, 10:10:00 AM
ONCE AGAIN PEOPLE AVOID FOUNDMY.COM THEY AREN'T NECESSARILY SCAMMERS BUT THEY HAVE A HABIT OF NOT GETTING ORDERS OUT. MOST LIKELY JUST AN UNORGANIZED BUSINESS.
Post by: brain27 on August 03, 2009, 10:12:00 AM
QUOTE(DanB91 @ Aug 3 2009, 05:08 PM)
That is if someone leaks the algorithm, which I doubt. This is not large company, this seems to be a small company with a few people and thus less chance for leakage.
Got my hopes up for nothing then.."*%@!#*"..foundmy.com
Post by: hetster on August 03, 2009, 10:13:00 AM
1 man is going to get very rich very quickly and with any luck will become the subject of all the bad things associated with greed..i see concrete slippers or being someones biatch in his 8ft x 8ft house lol..
Post by: HOMiE7 on August 03, 2009, 10:15:00 AM
Also:
1. JungleFlasher contains encryption algorithm for current Lite-on iXtreme - it is legal? Looks like yes!
2. Hitachi's iXtreme pack contains original firmwares for all Hitachi drives - it is legal? Looks like yes!
So:
1. Why new encryption algorithm is illegal?
2. Why releasing original formware for Lite-on is illegal?
Post by: DanB91 on August 03, 2009, 10:17:00 AM
QUOTE(HOMiE7 @ Aug 3 2009, 12:15 PM)
Oh, release encryption algorithm is illegal, and iXtreme is legal? WTF? iXtreme is based on original though.
Exactly. THX is already circumventing copyright protection. Isn't that also "very" illegal?
Post by: Zoneout on August 03, 2009, 10:29:00 AM
QUOTE(DanB91 @ Aug 4 2009, 02:17 AM)
Exactly. THX is already circumventing copyright protection. Isn't that also "very" illegal?
It's nothing more than a cop-out.
The fact would be, the foundmy.com guy which is a one-man business, paid Team Hypher X mega bucks not to release the solution but for himself.
Genius, all the world's business to himself. But also selfish in my eyes
Post by: hetster on August 03, 2009, 10:33:00 AM
i really hope that iriez isnt linked to or blamed for the greed of foundmy.com. i have allready seen 1 or 2 posts where the mood is starting to change..even though releasing ix1.6 will inadvertantly make foundmy.com extremely rich..
can we not start something like seti lol..all the xbox-scene users download some prog and we can all link our pc's together to break the algorithm..
please please people direct the anger at where it should be which is foundmy.com direction..
Post by: Iriez on August 03, 2009, 10:35:00 AM
QUOTE(brain27 @ Aug 3 2009, 09:28 AM)
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!
This cant be happening. So we're forced to pay 42 dollars to foundmy.com to get our key right?
Why cant someone else do the thing foundmy.com is doing but for free. That way we will all get our key!
But then again its not that simple.
THIS IS P1$$1NG ME OFF
Someone please reassure me that this not happening.
It is happening. Stop crying.
Why does everyone assume everything is free? Guys, I have invested 1/3 of my life to this scene for free. I've provided all of my services for free. I've established teams and groups that have made this scene possible. All for free.
So one would think me of all people would be upset by someone trying to charge?
Im sorry, but im not. Work is work. Fair is fair. If someone wants to reverse engineer the process and give it away for free (and risk being put in jail for life while your at it) feel free to do so.
You people cry about 40 dollars when a game costs 60. EVERY game. Yet you mod your 360 once and every game is free. Dont try to deny that it is the main purpose of modifying your drive...it is the ONLY reason (Backup yea, mhm.) So the more you cry about this, the bigger a hypocrite you look, and the more immature, childish and frankly....cheap as shit.
QUOTE(drgaston @ Aug 3 2009, 09:29 AM)
Iriez ... sorry about the silly question, but if you already have a dump of the new firmware, can't you isolate the 'encrypting the key before sending it to SATA' part and reverse engineer it? This is probably what Foundmy did, so at least it seems possible. This would then just leave the issue of 'how are we going to release it legally' in the air.
There is no legal way to release it. The crypto involved is very advanced. Some of the best hackers in this industry have been continuously stumped by it. Good luck, but I would be willing to give 1:5 odd's that no one is going to come up with a solution if we dont. Feel free to PM me your wagers.
QUOTE(HotKnife420 @ Aug 3 2009, 09:30 AM)
I remember when softmods were first coming around on the xbox 1 everyone was screaming "modchips", if nothing else as a way to "finance the scene".
It's nice to see a change in things, tho.
It's most economical, yes, but what's wrong with competition in this section of the scene? Why should Team HyperX be more deserving at a point in time where the competition has the jump? I'm not saying that they're not; just saying that foundmy is doing nothing wrong, here. The fact that it's pricey is irrelevant. They did the work to devise a solution for those drives, and therefore are entitled to distribute it by the means they consider necessary to do so. My guess is that the people behind foundmy are probably like "engineer mercenaries".
Either way, nothing's wrong with them offering to do this for people. Unless, of course, you think they need to shut down the firmware flashers forum, as well...
It should be about the same difference as a Samsung with ms25 firmware versus one with ms28. Team HyperX has also announced earlier that they had a way to extract the keys from the new drive, and it'd be released when these drives start popping up off retail shelves.
HyperX has not announced that we will have a way to extract the keys from the drive. I do not know where you got this information from, but its blantantly false. It was stated that a solution was found, but that details needed to be worked out.
As stated earlier in this thread, the encrypted key data was one of the main obstacles holding ixtreme back for this new drive. If we cannot deliver a clean efficient and legal solution to the problem, then we cannot deliver. Since there is a solution, now we can deliver the firmware.
Post by: tokyodrifte on August 03, 2009, 10:36:00 AM
People need to get off Iriez's shaft. $42 dollars is a rip, we all know it. Blatent Advertising of some quick money. I give 60% a scam. Ive not heard off anyone with this actually working. Algorithums get published into free applications all the time. Every day.
It will be hacked, And it will be free. Just give it time.
Post by: robo989 on August 03, 2009, 10:48:00 AM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 05:35 PM)
As stated earlier in this thread, the encrypted key data was one of the main obstacles holding ixtreme back for this new drive. If we cannot deliver a clean efficient and legal solution to the problem, then we cannot deliver. Since there is a solution, now we can deliver the firmware.
Blatent sell out.
At least come out an say it. Don't blame you guys tho...reminds me of the swine selling the "passkey" for the old hitachi drives when a known software solution was available...
Here we go again, it's just one big false economy...Team Xectuter\Irez\HyperX\Foundmy...all one an the same...
Nowt wrong with that tho, you keep it going, guess if there's some money coming in it keeps development going, but $42? Fuck that shit.
Post by: Iriez on August 03, 2009, 10:49:00 AM
QUOTE(HOMiE7 @ Aug 3 2009, 11:15 AM)
Oh, c'mon! Releasing encryption algorithm is illegal, and iXtreme is legal? WTF? iXtreme is based on original though.
Also:
1. JungleFlasher contains encryption algorithm for current Lite-on iXtreme - it is legal? Looks like yes!
2. Hitachi's iXtreme pack contains original firmwares for all Hitachi drives - it is legal? Looks like yes!
So:
1. Why new encryption algorithm is illegal?
2. Why releasing original formware for Lite-on is illegal?
Distributing a modified firmware is nothing compared to the possibilities involved with the crypto. The problem is, there is alot of information in regards to the crypt that is not public. Had I the ability to educate you all, you would understand. Unfortunately that information cannot be disclosed, so you will either trust me or you wont. Im neither pleased nor bothered by either. Im just another servant of this scene.
QUOTE(tokyodrifte @ Aug 3 2009, 11:36 AM)
I am very sceptical of Iriez's posts. You seem to be very doom and gloom about this. Its not possible? There is no other way? Well if this isnt a scam, Obviously someone did it. It will be done again. It is highly illegal? This made me laugh... Highly illegal? Diffrent levels of illegal in this scene.
People need to get off Iriez's shaft. $42 dollars is a rip, we all know it. Blatent Advertising of some quick money. I give 60% a scam. Ive not heard off anyone with this actually working. Algorithums get published into free applications all the time. Every day.
It will be hacked, And it will be free. Just give it time.
I already stated that I felt the price was steep for the services offered. You need to learn to read before you start discussing your interaction with "my shaft". It is not a scam. Do you think I would have posted news on this if we had not verified? Please.
It will be hacked, and free? Ok.
Have fun modding that PS3.
Post by: mupet0000 on August 03, 2009, 10:51:00 AM
No one is going to jail for life releasing drive firmware and hacks, look Iriez, your not in jail are you? Sure I don't know exactly how it's done ( :-/ ) but games get ripped every day and no ones going to jail, just an example.
I urge people to wait a while and NOT pay a cent to foundmy.com.
Post by: commadore64 on August 03, 2009, 10:57:00 AM
Then run it through a disassembler and see what the differences might be doing?
*I know I cannot do this - just a thought
Post by: OggyUK on August 03, 2009, 11:04:00 AM
QUOTE(robo989 @ Aug 3 2009, 05:48 PM)
At least come out an say it. Don't blame you guys tho...reminds me of the swine selling the "passkey" for the old hitachi drives when a known software solution was available...
Off topic, but, Id love to see this that you speak of.
Post by: letsmod on August 03, 2009, 11:04:00 AM
But even at the wholesale price for the service ont he 85830C it is far too much.
$5 to $10 would be very reasonable, but his price is his price, I wont buy into it at all and I have heard from many others they wont either.
But this is our choice, you have the choice to pay what you want and what you dont want
For now this is the only solutions so you either pay it or you wait
Post by: AT6767 on August 03, 2009, 11:08:00 AM
Either way I have a question. OK lets say i do this, what would i do with the key?
1.) How would i go about spoofing?
2.) Even with the key wouldn't the current jungleflasher just leave the firmware version as 7XXXX lite-on instead of the new 8XXXX?
3.) Having the key is good but what is there to do with the key if none of the tools out there can truly replicate the new drive?
4.) Is there any new commands or anything besides the key changes in this new firmware?
These are the questions I pose and should be the real questions being asked not complaints about a price. Weather or not a person/company are jerks is irrelevant. Other questions that should be posed: How are they doing it, and why can we not replicate this process?
Post by: DanB91 on August 03, 2009, 11:09:00 AM
Post by: hetster on August 03, 2009, 11:11:00 AM
Post by: warbeast on August 03, 2009, 11:12:00 AM
just like most other scenes it ends with money
this fix will be free at some point its just when not if!
most likely once the money has been made and a new model has hit retail boxes
you cant blame em for wanting to cash in but lets not cover it up with the whole legal side its all about making money and with the price tag its clear they thought a price around then one retail game mark will sell with what the key offers rather then what you get
Post by: hetster on August 03, 2009, 11:14:00 AM
QUOTE(warbeast @ Aug 3 2009, 06:12 PM)
you cant blame em for wanting to cash in but lets not cover it up with the whole legal side its all about making money and with the price tag its clear they thought a price around then one retail game mark will sell with what the key offers rather then what you get
lol a sad day indeed when the SCENE is doing market research
Post by: doubleu on August 03, 2009, 11:28:00 AM
QUOTE(Zoneout @ Aug 3 2009, 09:58 AM)
$42 x hundreds of people a day = $thousands.
hundreds of people a day, are you insane?
Post by: Jbasto on August 03, 2009, 11:30:00 AM
Just cause people in the scene do this for fun and free dont mean that allways they need to deliver yeah it sucks and we either have to pay 42 to get the key or not pay and have nothing.
Just let see what happens time will just tell.
Post by: idog on August 03, 2009, 11:37:00 AM
QUOTE(Jbasto @ Aug 3 2009, 07:30 PM)
Is funny how most people here are crying about the service charge foundmy is asking, but when you charge people to mod there system is the same crap.
Just cause people in the scene do this for fun and free dont mean that allways they need to deliver yeah it sucks and we either have to pay 42 to get the key or not pay and have nothing.
Just let see what happens time will just tell.
It's not the same. I charge people for the complete works. I take their xbox apart, flash the drive, put it back together and show it works. I tell them how to back up their own games and even give them a free verbatim to test it at home. And, if I screw something up in the process, I'll be the one paying for a new xbox.
What foundmy does is expecting you to still do all of the above, but send a piece of the dumped firmware to them, you pay them and they send you back the key, so you can still go about the process of spoofing another drive.
Now, if foundmy released an application and sold that for.. I don't know 89usd or something, I could live with that. It would be a onetime investment. But paying 42usd for a key on a modjob I charge 30usd for ? No thank you.
Post by: dbldown768 on August 03, 2009, 11:37:00 AM
Post by: DanB91 on August 03, 2009, 11:38:00 AM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 12:35 PM)
You people cry about 40 dollars when a game costs 60. EVERY game. Yet you mod your 360 once and every game is free. Dont try to deny that it is the main purpose of modifying your drive...it is the ONLY reason (Backup yea, mhm.) So the more you cry about this, the bigger a hypocrite you look, and the more immature, childish and frankly....cheap as shit.
But isn't point of this scene is to be "cheap as shit"? Isn't that the reason for pirating? Why should we have to pay to steal (that is, if provided the correct software tools we could do it ourselves)?
Post by: HOMiE7 on August 03, 2009, 11:51:00 AM
Post by: Jbasto on August 03, 2009, 11:57:00 AM
QUOTE(idog @ Aug 3 2009, 01:37 PM)
Now, if foundmy released an application and sold that for.. I don't know 89usd or something, I could live with that. It would be a onetime investment. But paying 42usd for a key on a modjob I charge 30usd for ? No thank you.
I agree on that 100% just like if one would get the CK3 or something in the line.
But im just to ifty about the service what would happen if MS tells them they need to give all the Keys that have gotten ??
Post by: somenutter on August 03, 2009, 11:58:00 AM
:1 all new xboxes will have LiteOn 83850c ?
:2 the only way im gonna mod it is to pay foundmy.com
:3 have all the hackers lost there balls ?
Post by: DanB91 on August 03, 2009, 12:01:00 PM
QUOTE(somenutter @ Aug 3 2009, 01:58 PM)
hold on so
:1 all new xboxes will have LiteOn 83850c ?
:2 the only way im gonna mod it is to pay foundmy.com
:3 have all the hackers lost there balls ?
1: Yes
2: For now, yes. But let's hope that changes.
3: Let's hope not, or the scene is truly dead
QUOTE(idog @ Aug 3 2009, 01:37 PM)
Now, if foundmy released an application and sold that for.. I don't know 89usd or something, I could live with that.
Because if he did that, he would be payed at most 10 times for it and it would be cracked and on torrents in hours. Now that he doesn't have to release the software, he is guaranteed $42 for every person that really wants to hack their drive (which will be a lot more than 10 people).
Never charge for software intended to be released for pirates.
Post by: idog on August 03, 2009, 12:06:00 PM
QUOTE(DanB91 @ Aug 3 2009, 08:01 PM)
1: Yes
2: For now, yes. But let's hope that changes.
3: Let's hope not, or the scene is truly dead
Because if he did that, he would be payed at most 10 times for it and it would be cracked and on torrents in hours. Now that he doesn't have to release the software, he is guaranteed $42 for every person that really wants to hack their drive (which will be a lot more than 10 people).
Never charge for software intended to be released for pirates.
If he's smart enough to decrypt liteon keys, he's smart enough to protect the software..
Post by: Knasen on August 03, 2009, 12:06:00 PM
Post by: BoNg420 on August 03, 2009, 12:08:00 PM
QUOTE(idog @ Aug 3 2009, 02:06 PM)
If he's smart enough to decrypt liteon keys, he's smart enough to protect the software..
Most likely he got a piece of leaked software from THX or something of that nature. He is making money off other peoples work.
Post by: DanB91 on August 03, 2009, 12:11:00 PM
QUOTE(idog @ Aug 3 2009, 02:06 PM)
If he's smart enough to decrypt liteon keys, he's smart enough to protect the software..
I have yet to find any piece of software that couldn't be hacked. But, I could be wrong.
Post by: somenutter on August 03, 2009, 12:13:00 PM
if this stays as the only way to mod 360 im out of it :-(
Post by: |GateKeeper| on August 03, 2009, 12:18:00 PM
I make sure of it now ...
Post by: letsmod on August 03, 2009, 12:23:00 PM
QUOTE(KaISeR SoZEi @ Aug 3 2009, 11:18 AM)
1) is it smart to sell a copy/past action for 42$ : NO !!!!!!
2) is it smart to fuck all of the scene by locking information : NO !!!!
3) is it smart to create a monopolistic situation : NO NO and NO !!!!!
So foundmy.com need a big dick in the ass, my hope is that website being hacked, hacked, and hacked as software released for free
Foundmy.com you signed for death
community is not sheep
community is not related with money
Money is for real works, not for wind
the software will not be on his site, it is not an automated process from the site, the software is going to be kept on a PC with no internet access, you really think he did not consider that??
the software has no access to internet thus no way to grab it.
Post by: sanni on August 03, 2009, 12:30:00 PM
QUOTE(letsmod @ Aug 3 2009, 08:23 PM)
the software has no access to internet thus no way to grab it.
just send some ninjas
Post by: bedojunkmail on August 03, 2009, 12:40:00 PM
Seems like the type of information would be very attractive to some people (M$) with very deep pockets and lots of lawyers.
Post by: Jbasto on August 03, 2009, 12:41:00 PM
Post by: hetster on August 03, 2009, 12:41:00 PM
1. Foundmy.com has seen sense and drasticaly reduced its price
2. the owner of Foundmy.com has been raided and is currently in custody awaiting trial where M$ is pressing for a $1,000,000 fine and at least 50 years in prison
3. the owner of Foundmy.com has been found dead by police in what is said to be suspicious circumstances due to the fact he was laid on a bed of $50 bills surrounded by empty champagne bottles with an xbox 360 inserted into his anal orrifice whilst wearing a gimp mask..
QUOTE(www.foundmy.com)
CONTEST TIME:
Since the new site is up and running we are looking for some good banners, we will announce the prizes for this contest shortly!.
Self Artists
If you think you got a banner for our site contact us
Since the new site is up and running we are looking for some good banners, we will announce the prizes for this contest shortly!.
Self Artists
If you think you got a banner for our site contact us
ooOO how do you spell robbing f**kers
This post has been edited by hetster: Aug 3 2009, 07:54 PM
Post by: faceless on August 03, 2009, 12:59:00 PM
win or go home.
Post by: LATTS on August 03, 2009, 01:03:00 PM
Post by: axelkoch on August 03, 2009, 01:14:00 PM
Team Hyper will release the hack just as they always planned to, if anything this will give them more impetus to do it quicker,
Just as always, if it can be done it will be done and no amount of security/protection will stop it getting into the public domain, this has always been the way of both the modding scene and life generaly.
This post has been edited by axelkoch: Aug 3 2009, 08:15 PM
Post by: Iriez on August 03, 2009, 01:27:00 PM
QUOTE(mupet0000 @ Aug 3 2009, 11:51 AM)
If the guys running that site have found a method, it's only a matter of time before it gets released to the public somehow.
No one is going to jail for life releasing drive firmware and hacks, look Iriez, your not in jail are you? Sure I don't know exactly how it's done ( :-/ ) but games get ripped every day and no ones going to jail, just an example.
I urge people to wait a while and NOT pay a cent to foundmy.com.
First, you'll be waiting a very long time. Forever, likely.
Second, are you a lawyer? I know a few guys who have consulted with theirs. The implications of legal prosecution is not a small matter.
However, your just a end user of this scene. You are not involved. You do not have the experience or background that I do. Your friends have not been raided by the FBI, had their shops pulled down. You've not seen people go to prison. No, not JAIL. PRISON.
I have.
So please understand and take this with the best intentions: You are ignorant.
Of course im not in jail. I've done nothing wrong. Im simply the person who communicates. If others work is illegal then that is a risk they run. Its part of this industry. There are just lines that sometimes you dont want to cross, because crossing them WILL bring down the law ontop of your head.
QUOTE(AT6767 @ Aug 3 2009, 12:08 PM)
People pay apple a premium for their product, people pay premium for dell service, so why not pay a premium for this?
Either way I have a question. OK lets say i do this, what would i do with the key?
1.) How would i go about spoofing?
2.) Even with the key wouldn't the current jungleflasher just leave the firmware version as 7XXXX lite-on instead of the new 8XXXX?
3.) Having the key is good but what is there to do with the key if none of the tools out there can truly replicate the new drive?
4.) Is there any new commands or anything besides the key changes in this new firmware?
These are the questions I pose and should be the real questions being asked not complaints about a price. Weather or not a person/company are jerks is irrelevant. Other questions that should be posed: How are they doing it, and why can we not replicate this process?
You do not want to spoof 8x to 7x. It is not considered safe at this moment.
Corrrect.
Spoof to a older drive is the only option
No.
Until ix is released (soon) there wont be any reason other than to get ready to mod!
QUOTE(idog @ Aug 3 2009, 12:37 PM)
It's not the same. I charge people for the complete works. I take their xbox apart, flash the drive, put it back together and show it works. I tell them how to back up their own games and even give them a free verbatim to test it at home. And, if I screw something up in the process, I'll be the one paying for a new xbox.
What foundmy does is expecting you to still do all of the above, but send a piece of the dumped firmware to them, you pay them and they send you back the key, so you can still go about the process of spoofing another drive.
Now, if foundmy released an application and sold that for.. I don't know 89usd or something, I could live with that. It would be a onetime investment. But paying 42usd for a key on a modjob I charge 30usd for ? No thank you.
No, it is the same.
You are offering a service for a set price. He is offering a service for a set price. The details do not matter.
Its been explained roughly 12 thousand times now why there will not be a software method released. Read the thread.
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Aug 3 2009, 01:08 PM)
Most likely he got a piece of leaked software from THX or something of that nature. He is making money off other peoples work.
No, he did not.
Post by: Iriez on August 03, 2009, 01:37:00 PM
QUOTE(LATTS @ Aug 3 2009, 02:03 PM)
if foundmy took paypal i'd be sending my bin in right now since i have a ms25 i could spoof with the key. i dont think $42 is un-reasonable, maybe people need to get better jobs?
haha.
Finally someone with a belt speaks up.
You dont need all the hardware you did for the original liteon, so those of you who have purchased a new 360 and have the new liteon, whatever money you were going to spend towards a rs232 or xtractor ...you can now put it towards the key data.
Either way its a wash.
But honestly, you people are ridiculously cheap. People get so used to the concept of free, that when someone, who probably put a *incredible* amount of work into a project such as this, wants to charge for it....you cry about it.
Remember people. This is not checkers. If you want 'free' then you can always do it yourself. Otherwise, you will always be at the mercy of the person who proposes the best solution. At this time and place, foundmy has offered the best solution. It might change (who knows, he might distribute licenses wholesale for very cheap).
Speaking of which, has everyone ignored that fact? Not a single person has mentioned the wholesale bit, yet I see lots of you crying about how your going to have to pay x amount of $ per key. So...buy a whole sale license. See what it costs. Personally i dont care....if someone wants their drive modded, then they can pay the licensing fee along with the modding service.
Likely those of you who are crying about price are the same assholes charging 75-100 dollars to softmod a dvd drive. I've never charged more than 50 bucks in my life, and most of the time its closer to 20. But no, now your profit is being eaten! Oh no! Hypocritical.
I would put every penny I own that if THX wanted to charge for ixtreme, atleast 90% of you would be crying the same sob story. It has nothing to do with ethics, or morality...no. Its the bottom line. You are paying for something that was free, and now its not. Well, thats how most businesses launch a product now anyways.
Who here runs AVG antivirus? Or any one of a million products given for free, and then distributed for a cost once the user base is high. Thats life and business now and days.
Post by: jt1 on August 03, 2009, 01:43:00 PM
Can anyone elaborate?
If it is so illegal, how long will it be untill MS pulls foundmy.com, I mean if the only way is illegaly, it wont be long will it.
Edit:/ To clarify, im not complaining. Most people posting probly have pirated games, esp if your complaning its not free. If you can pay for hardware whats the difference paying for this.
And isn't iXtreme breaking the DMCA. Then again, AnyDVD does that too by circumventing copy protection, anyone know how that ones legal.
Post by: hobogoonie on August 03, 2009, 01:45:00 PM
Luckily I've not had one of these new drives yet but if I did I'd just tell the customer it'll cost them. I only charge a tenner (£10) for any flash anyway, so I'd just add foundmy's fee on top. At least there is a solution!
Man, I think its a disgrace how people are talking to Iriez given the work that he and his team have put into everything so far. I'd like to thank them again for all the work they've done. I dont expect anything for free, I'm just grateful for what we do get.
To all the moaners so far; How many 360's have you lot flashed? How much money have you all made from those flashes? How much have you donated to the iXtreme/JF team? Not a lot I bet. And now your all bitching. Well done. If I were Iriez and the team I'd be so pissed off at the lack of gratitude I'd tell you all to hack it yourselves and make your own firmware.
Who knows? Some other solution may come forward (doubtful). This one may get cheaper (fairly likely). Until then, be grateful, not ingrate.
Post by: hetster on August 03, 2009, 01:47:00 PM
1. the guy has left a <br> on the front page
2. the 1 2 3 4 icons at the bottom dont line up.
3. the site has been made with oscommerce 2.2 a shop template that is very very vulnerable.
even if i was willing to pay the $42 (which i am not lol) there is no way on earth i would trust my credit card / paypal details with a such a cheaply made and easily hackable site as that
if you dont believe me just type in osCommerce 2.2 hacking into google and you'll get a 100 and 1 google vids / a 100 and 1 hacking sites / a 100 and 1 oscommerce horror stories..
to say this guy has invested a great deal into this project and then used a vulnerable free shop template is laughable lol
and the reason i object to everything is the price for what you get. if it was half that price and the money went direct to iriez i'd be quite happy to do it with every drive. but to give $42 for every drive new drive you do to someone you know nothing about (and has very limited web design skills lol) when someone with the greatness as iriez gets nothing and has never asked for anything is nothing short of scandelous..monopolies are never a good idea..
Post by: Reznik Akime on August 03, 2009, 02:00:00 PM
What do you get for $42? A key. What does this key do? Oh, hey. You don't have to pay for games anymore which range up to $60 on average. OMFG! You have to pay $42 dollars to play any game you like without having to buy it?! What a fucking travesty! Oh, I'm terribly sorry. I mean back up the games you already own.
Some of you folk need to go back to school and learn some simple math. Or is this the math they're teaching in schools these days?
Silly, petty pirates.
Post by: joliverio on August 03, 2009, 02:02:00 PM
Use JungleFlasher and click the DONATE button
Post by: Poopmonkey on August 03, 2009, 02:04:00 PM
On to another point, the paradox I see with this is that iXtreme firmware itself is illegal since it does contain MS code which has been altered. Basically it's illegal to modify even your firmware. Because when you buy your xbox 360 console you buy the rights to use the software which operates the console. You don't own the software. The people who own it are MS and their partners who developed the 360. It is clearly illegal to reverse-engineer any of the hardware or software, modify it, and then use it for your own purpose. Just read the DMCA it's all there. so I would say that THX is already in the hole with just making iXtreme Firmware.
Post by: [TONE] on August 03, 2009, 02:11:00 PM
QUOTE(hobogoonie @ Aug 3 2009, 08:45 PM)
I can't believe how ungrateful everyone is on here! Jesus christ!
Luckily I've not had one of these new drives yet but if I did I'd just tell the customer it'll cost them. I only charge a tenner (£10) for any flash anyway, so I'd just add foundmy's fee on top. At least there is a solution!
Man, I think its a disgrace how people are talking to Iriez given the work that he and his team have put into everything so far. I'd like to thank them again for all the work they've done. I dont expect anything for free, I'm just grateful for what we do get.
To all the moaners so far; How many 360's have you lot flashed? How much money have you all made from those flashes? How much have you donated to the iXtreme/JF team? Not a lot I bet. And now your all bitching. Well done. If I were Iriez and the team I'd be so pissed off at the lack of gratitude I'd tell you all to hack it yourselves and make your own firmware.
Who knows? Some other solution may come forward (doubtful). This one may get cheaper (fairly likely). Until then, be grateful, not ingrate.
and what about those who have donated plenty to the scene with no pay for it?? like myself. would it be ok in all your eyes for abgx360 to charge per fixed iso u do? this is setting a very bad trend... no1 wants foundmy.com having a list of cc numbers user info and their drive serials... m$ will surely jump all over this site after the hackers and script kiddies do....
and i must ask are the guys who released the firmdecrypt.exe for the hitachi drives in jail? i really dont see how any1 is sticking to the legal excuse here really.... if some1 found this out then another person IS able to do the same. dont expect this to be a lengthy period of paying for this. even the foundmy.com guy thinks itll be free soon enuff. and i wont post logs but yes he DID say this....
Post by: wawnord on August 03, 2009, 02:22:00 PM
I would pay- but no 42 Bucks für 5 seconds work (after your long and difficult work)
I would pay -but not to foundmy.com.. look http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Foundmy
So Iriez.. what do we have to pay to get the deal and NOT foundmy.com?
I think most of us would pay 20 or 30 $ to break this solution free, for everybody.
I would!!
But near zero of us will pay to foundmy!!!!
Post by: commadore64 on August 03, 2009, 02:28:00 PM
bah - I guess anyone thats got a new box - I'll tell them "look elsewhere" as I dont want to be involved in a money transaction
Post by: gimpydingo on August 03, 2009, 02:29:00 PM
Post by: OggyUK on August 03, 2009, 02:30:00 PM
QUOTE(wawnord @ Aug 3 2009, 09:22 PM)
I think most of us would pay 20 or 30 $ to break this solution free, for everybody
Heard that before
Passkey anyone?
QUOTE(Iriez)
I would put every penny I own that if THX wanted to charge for ixtreme, atleast 90% of you would be crying the same sob story. It has nothing to do with ethics, or morality...no. Its the bottom line. You are paying for something that was free, and now its not.
Is that not the truth.
Everyone wants something for nothing, if...
Foundmy were charging $15 you'd all still whine and bitch that it wasnt free.
Someones done the work, someones probably outlayed alot of money for this (R&D? Paying people off? IDK)
Truth is, unless you can perform the hack yourself, you dont have a pot to piss in bar foundmy.
**N.B. I concur that 42$ for one key appears harsh, but, for what you can acheive
It in comparison, isnt so bad.Also, the modders can "choose to buy in bulk" I have no idea of price reductions, but, it could be (say) 50% off, if no-one else is paying, you have the monopoly.
Post by: Vrtclhykr on August 03, 2009, 02:32:00 PM
So...because you have no fuking clue. (and all others who think foundmy is just some site that popped up)
He has been in business in Canada for a very long time. FBI has shit to do with Canada. In fact some of you were still in diapers when he started selling chips in the early PS2 days. He is not just some random dick who came up with a "MASTER PLAN"
Albeit Terry has had issues in getting peoples gear out in a timely fashion over the years he is certainly not a scammer.
Now....WTF...$42 dollars you dumbass's. Are you kidding. Back in the day we were charging $100-$150 to mod a PS2. Those of us that were big modders then could not keep up with the numbers of machines that needed to be done. You guys are complaining about $42.
Or is it simply that the scene has been so slow and you all have nothing better to do then pad your posts with stupid shit about $42 being tooo much.......LMAO. Stick with your NDS then. It costs you $12 to go to Mcdonalds these days.
Post by: idog on August 03, 2009, 02:33:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 09:37 PM)
But honestly, you people are ridiculously cheap. People get so used to the concept of free, that when someone, who probably put a *incredible* amount of work into a project such as this, wants to charge for it....you cry about it.
No, we 'cry' because we had high hopes for Team THX to deliver like they always do, for the community. And when people want to show their appreciation, that's what the Donation button is for in JF.
But now, after promising that the solution will be provided when the market is 'saturated' and that already one failsafe method existed, but you guys were still working out the kinks .. *poof* enter Foundmy.com.. which just so happens to have a way to decrypt the key.. okay.. kudos for that, great stuff.
Foundmy however charges a lot (you said it yourself ("steep"), so people here were very exited when you announced that by the end of the week THX would push it's iXtreme release forward .. * all hail king Iriez *, only to be debunked later to announce it's just the iXtreme, not the key-decrypting itself. Okay, what happened to the failsafe method then ? Foundmy ? Was that it ? Was it some kind of deal ? Foundmy takes the risk of getting thrown into jail (or like you prefer PRISON) and provide the key-decrypting service and THX supplies the new firmware ? That's the only reason I can think of (THX not willing to take the risk (and I *can* understand that) and Foundmy is willing to take that risk.
And yes, now we 'cry', we still want to decide how much we want to donate to the team. Be it 5usd or 100eur, whatever, but that's the idea of a donation. Selling a key decryption for over 40usd a key (yeah yeah, wholesale, well, when you need to 'email for wholesale prices' AND the risk of getting a 'Recipient not known' after mailing 5 keys out of your 100-key wholesale subscription) taken into account, no way man. Every prick with a bit of common sense can tell you that foundmy.com will be taken down before the end of the month.
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 09:37 PM)
Likely those of you who are crying about price are the same assholes charging 75-100 dollars to softmod a dvd drive. I've never charged more than 50 bucks in my life, and most of the time its closer to 20. But no, now your profit is being eaten! Oh no! Hypocritical.
Keep your swearing to yourself. I just told you my price a few posts back. If this is business, fine. But have to heart to tell you that you sold your failsafe method to Foundmy for them to exploit it. If I'm falsy accusing you, then release the failsafe method like you promised in the first place (when the market is saturated), but stop hiding behind the fact that is so illegal, because you knew this when announcing your failsafe method in the first place. Announcing that, and then go bashing people for being cheapskates and ungrateful after the foundmy disillusion and you acting all surprised, THAT'S HYPOCRITICAL.
You can ban me now..
Post by: hetster on August 03, 2009, 02:47:00 PM
i do think before i type and i have made some valid points that i hope Terry Waskowich takes very seriously.
i also know the site didnt just pop up..3 pages of complaints show its been doing bad business for a few years now lol..
also 1 of the main gripes on the complaints list was about shipping addresses not matching credit card addresses. this is a well known problem..especialy with oscommerce and paypal but after 3 years he is still having the same problems as his front page warns you about addresses not matching..
i challenge you to put all this aside and visit foundmy.com as though you where a first time user.. are you seriously telling me you would trust a site that looks like that with your credit card :-s
i actualy know what i am taking about but am not going to get into a bitching contest. if anyone wants to pay $42 to that site then feel free..i wouldnt give them 1 cent as it would mean me signing up to them..
Post by: mupet0000 on August 03, 2009, 02:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 08:27 PM)
First, you'll be waiting a very long time. Forever, likely.
Second, are you a lawyer? I know a few guys who have consulted with theirs. The implications of legal prosecution is not a small matter.
However, your just a end user of this scene. You are not involved. You do not have the experience or background that I do. Your friends have not been raided by the FBI, had their shops pulled down. You've not seen people go to prison. No, not JAIL. PRISON.
I have.
So please understand and take this with the best intentions: You are ignorant.
Of course im not in jail. I've done nothing wrong. Im simply the person who communicates. If others work is illegal then that is a risk they run. Its part of this industry. There are just lines that sometimes you dont want to cross, because crossing them WILL bring down the law ontop of your head.
Why are the implications so big with lite-on compared to any other drive firmware that has been released with hacked copyrighted code? I'm no lawyer but what makes this so special... I don't wanna see anyone go to prison for this, but if anyone is, it's gonna be the site owner who is making profit.
Yes I am just an end user, so maybe that's why I find it hard to understand. I am not trying to annoy you or be ignorant, I just wanna understand.
Post by: jt1 on August 03, 2009, 02:55:00 PM
QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 3 2009, 09:47 PM)
they can log my ip all they like lol..i have visited the site once (which was enough to put me off instantly lol) i have not signed up for the site have not given any details and will never do so..if something was to happen to that site i'm pretty sure the authorities would point the finger at the 100+ users who have complained and had an axe to grind with the site lol..
i do think before i type and i have made some valid points that i hope Terry Waskowich takes very seriously.
i also know the site didnt just pop up..3 pages of complaints show its been doing bad business for a few years now lol..
also 1 of the main gripes on the complaints list was about shipping addresses not matching credit card addresses. this is a well known problem..especialy with oscommerce and paypal but after 3 years he is still having the same problems as his front page warns you about addresses not matching..
i challenge you to put all this aside and visit foundmy.com as though you where a first time user.. are you seriously telling me you would trust a site that looks like that with your credit card :-s
i actualy know hwat i am taking about but am not going to get into a bitching contest. if anyone wants to pay $42 to that site then feel free..i wouldnt give them 1 cent as it would mean me signing up to them..
He doesn't recieve your credit card information. He uses the RBSWORLDPAY payment gateway system. Enough bashing him allready.
Post by: DanB91 on August 03, 2009, 02:56:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 03:27 PM)
First, you'll be waiting a very long time. Forever, likely.
Second, are you a lawyer? I know a few guys who have consulted with theirs. The implications of legal prosecution is not a small matter.
However, your just a end user of this scene. You are not involved. You do not have the experience or background that I do. Your friends have not been raided by the FBI, had their shops pulled down. You've not seen people go to prison. No, not JAIL. PRISON.
I have.
So please understand and take this with the best intentions: You are ignorant.
Of course im not in jail. I've done nothing wrong. Im simply the person who communicates. If others work is illegal then that is a risk they run. Its part of this industry. There are just lines that sometimes you dont want to cross, because crossing them WILL bring down the law ontop of your head.
Is what foundmy.com doing illegal? After all, they are decrypting the key which you have said is illegal. If so do you really think that the FBI is going to take down his site?
Do you really think this is the only guy on the planet that has the capabilities of decrypting the firmware? Or was that "forever" response to whether the program that this guy is using will be leaked? (In which case I agree with you)
I would to also know what happened to the "failsafe" option you announced as well.
Post by: GamerBR on August 03, 2009, 02:58:00 PM
Post by: LiGhTfasT on August 03, 2009, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: HotKnife420 on August 03, 2009, 03:28:00 PM
That being said, a lot of you really are not seeing the big picture here. What foundmy is doing isn't really different than what Maximus was doing with the passkey (and now we don't need that for 79's). More importantly, spending money with foundmy supports the scene. When programmers/hackers/coders/etc that do these things have a way to get paid for their work, then the scene can become more active, because the interest will be higher. When everyone wants everything for free, the incentive goes away (after all, you have bills to pay; why worry about the newest xbox drive when all the other ones are already hacked, etc).
Is $42 high? Yes, in contrast to the other services available, it does seem a bit overpriced, but that's what competition is for. If you're a flasher, then simply factor the $42 into the cost. If you just got stuck with this xbox, either get an older one, or just pay the money.
The only people who really have a valid complaint will be the people who buy this service(one time) and have their xbox die and need to be replaced. I know people who have been through 7-12 360s already, so if you factor in potential RRoD, this hack *could become* expensive to single users (and given their reptutation, you could have communication trouble, as well).
QUOTE(Vrtclhykr @ Aug 3 2009, 09:32 PM)
Back in the day we were charging $100-$150 to mod a PS2.
Back in the day (and still today), the PS2 is a lot harder to mod than a 360. You have small solder points, and a harder design to break down and re-assemble (hell, some laptops are easier to dissemble/reassemble). The only reason I refuse to chip a PS2 for anyone anymore is because nobody's willing to pay what I'll charge. A 360, on the other hand, is easy as pie (I can literally take it all apart and put it back together with my eyes closed).
Post by: Traviss63 on August 03, 2009, 03:31:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 07:12 AM)
The crypt used on these drives are NOT simple. If we found a way to decrypt the key data this moment, you would still never see it released to public. Its simply very illegal.
So I hate to break it to everyone, but its looking like this will be the only solution.
I don't get how this is any different then bios files for original Xbox mods. The bios were made out of copyrighted data and you couldn't just find the files anywhere as they were illegal.. but xbins, torrent sites, and numerous other sources made the finger pointing almost impossible...
So again I ask, How is this any different???
PS. For the record I could care less about the price as I dont have a 83850c but IMHO $42 isnt bad as I've charged more then that for every mod I've ever done.
Post by: Poopmonkey on August 03, 2009, 03:36:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 12:35 PM)
There is no legal way to release it. The crypto involved is very advanced. Some of the best hackers in this industry have been continuously stumped by it. Good luck, but I would be willing to give 1:5 odd's that no one is going to come up with a solution if we dont. Feel free to PM me your wagers.
HyperX has not announced that we will have a way to extract the keys from the drive. I do not know where you got this information from, but its blantantly false. It was stated that a solution was found, but that details needed to be worked out.
As stated earlier in this thread, the encrypted key data was one of the main obstacles holding ixtreme back for this new drive. If we cannot deliver a clean efficient and legal solution to the problem, then we cannot deliver. Since there is a solution, now we can deliver the firmware.
Legal solution? How are you guys worried about legality now? iXtreme firmware itself is illegal since it contains MS code which has been altered. Basically it's illegal to modify even the firmware. Because when you buy a xbox 360 console you buy the rights to use the software which operates the console. You don't own the software. The people who own it are MS and their partners who developed the 360. It is clearly illegal to reverse-engineer any of the hardware or software, modify it, and then use it for your own purpose. Just read the DMCA it's all there. Basically, it sounds like the team is covering their ass because they are in too deep and want out.
Post by: hetster on August 03, 2009, 03:42:00 PM
if people wanna pay for it then good luck to them..i no longer flash drives as i cannot possibly charge ANYONE that price to flash a 360..i used ot charge £10 and free upgrades..$42 is triple that
i think i'll stick to repairing 360's instead and let everyone else worry about how much it costs and where to get it done..
Post by: idog on August 03, 2009, 03:42:00 PM
Post by: frags on August 03, 2009, 03:51:00 PM
Post by: wawnord on August 03, 2009, 03:53:00 PM
LO 8xxxxx key decryption = 1 Pay = 1 Use
so it's not the same
Post by: somenutter on August 03, 2009, 03:59:00 PM
why dont team jungle just ask for a donation from everyone that uses it ? say 20-30 dollars
then have some balls and release a hack for it when they have a hundred grand or something ?
because iriez said the hack can be done its just too naughty to let out
i would give that amount at least for a way to hack the new drive
Post by: OggyUK on August 03, 2009, 04:00:00 PM
"Id pay for a soft unlock so I didnt have to use this"
and all them noobs that fooked their drives removing epoxy?
£55 for a passkey install at the time (in alot of places)
£27 for this data.
Post by: xbox360sexual on August 03, 2009, 04:08:00 PM
QUOTE(somenutter @ Aug 3 2009, 10:59 PM)
why dont team jungle just ask for a donation from everyone that uses it ? say 20-30 dollars
BCOS IT'S TOO ILLEGAL LULZ AND THX ALWAYZ STAY WIVIN DA LAW
roffles
Post by: B_Smith on August 03, 2009, 04:13:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 01:37 PM)
Likely those of you who are crying about price are the same assholes charging 75-100 dollars to softmod a dvd drive. I've never charged more than 50 bucks in my life, and most of the time its closer to 20. But no, now your profit is being eaten! Oh no! Hypocritical.
Bingo!
This is most likely the reason why so many people are complaining. "Installers" who are used to charging $30 or more to flash firmware they got for free so it is almost 100% profit for them now are bitching that they will have to pay a bit more. Protip: Just charge your customers more.
Post by: mupet0000 on August 03, 2009, 04:21:00 PM
QUOTE(B_Smith @ Aug 3 2009, 11:13 PM)
Bingo!
This is most likely the reason why so many people are complaining. "Installers" who are used to charging $30 or more to flash firmware they got for free so it is almost 100% profit for them now are bitching that they will have to pay a bit more. Protip: Just charge your customers more.
Uh, there is a difference. If the method they use to extract the key from the bin file you send them is leaked, anyone could read the key. People who mod consoles for other people are doing a service because the other person usually isn't technically minded enough and just doesn't have the ability to flash their console. They are paying for something they can't do themselves even though the tools are there.
In this case, we can't do it ourselfs only because they are keeping their method private.
Post by: HotKnife420 on August 03, 2009, 04:22:00 PM
QUOTE(Traviss63 @ Aug 3 2009, 10:31 PM)
I don't get how this is any different then bios files for original Xbox mods. The bios were made out of copyrighted data and you couldn't just find the files anywhere as they were illegal.. but xbins, torrent sites, and numerous other sources made the finger pointing almost impossible...
So again I ask, How is this any different???
PS. For the record I could care less about the price as I dont have a 83850c but IMHO $42 isnt bad as I've charged more then that for every mod I've ever done.
Well, for starters, one's a BIOS and the other's a firmware
(sorry, couldn't resist).But there is a difference between releasing the firmware (containing copyrighted code, etc), and the method to hack the firmware (which reverse engineers or whatever other reason makes it illegal). So they are *both* illegal to host on US servers (as well as many others, but we'll stick to that example
), but for different reasons.Jungle Flasher, on the other hand, only reads/writes, and edits (like a copy/paste kind of edit) the firmware/drives, and doesn't do anything illegal itself. You are probably meant to supply your own firmwares, to make sure your usage of it is legal.
QUOTE(mupet0000 @ Aug 3 2009, 11:21 PM)
Uh, there is a difference. If the method they use to extract the key from the bin file you send them is leaked, anyone could read the key. People who mod consoles for other people are doing a service because the other person usually isn't technically minded enough and just doesn't have the ability to flash their console. They are paying for something they can't do themselves even though the tools are there.
In this case, we can't do it ourselfs only because they are keeping their method private.
That has got to be the best arguement against foundmy's service in this entire thread!
Post by: Perkele on August 03, 2009, 04:25:00 PM
QUOTE(frags @ Aug 3 2009, 09:51 PM)
If there is a wager to be made, it should be that THX has a new store front called foundmy.
Exactly, esp since this "news" post was remarkably set up as an advertisement.
Post by: sancho_panza on August 03, 2009, 04:28:00 PM
QUOTE(Jbasto @ Aug 3 2009, 07:30 PM)
Is funny how most people here are crying about the service charge foundmy is asking, but when you charge people to mod there system is the same crap.
Just cause people in the scene do this for fun and free dont mean that allways they need to deliver yeah it sucks and we either have to pay 42 to get the key or not pay and have nothing.
Just let see what happens time will just tell.
I second that.
Post by: alan_poh on August 03, 2009, 04:31:00 PM
the most ridicolous thing i read from you is that the ppl are very scared (ROFL) releasing a hack....
oh no! I and other ppl here cant say that! no, we dont know whats going on!!...you saw friends taken to the prison by the FBI (maybe they were aliens with human faces?), you saw shops taken down (wow), you saw scary movie 6? LOL
we are just too stupid! right? every day we can see tons of mp3's, windows, games, movies released....and so what? yes, there are some of them that get caught, rarely....but no one is scared, its obvious they arent, every day we can be happy cause they exists....
as others said, i donated in the past to jungle and will do again...but to that asshole at foundmy (maybe he is your friend, a scared one
) im not giving a cent....will wait....and we all know, even you, that the wait will be a short one....
Post by: madmackem on August 03, 2009, 04:35:00 PM
This will allow you to facilitate a replacement drive in case your original drive fails."
considering that these drives are only 2 months old why would you be using this service surely your warranty is the one to use? why doesnt he say what its true use is unless its illegal of coursse :-P
and why $42 strange figure that why not $39.95 or $44.95 or is that including the payoff to the other groups in the scene for letting him sell the service??
Post by: B_Smith on August 03, 2009, 04:43:00 PM
QUOTE(mupet0000 @ Aug 3 2009, 04:21 PM)
People who mod consoles for other people are doing a service because the other person usually isn't technically minded enough and just doesn't have the ability to flash their console. They are paying for something they can't do themselves even though the tools are there.
Foundmy providing the key data for the LiteOn for other people are doing a service because the other person isn't technically minded enough and just doesn't have the ability to obtain the key data. They are paying for something they can't do themselves even though the tools are there.
The tools are available for how to get the key, it's just the method on how the keys are obtained are only known by its creator and Foundmy who decided against releasing it to the public right now.
QUOTE(madmackem @ Aug 3 2009, 04:35 PM)
and why $42 strange figure that why not $39.95 or $44.95 or is that including the payoff to the other groups in the scene for letting him sell the service??
Look up 42 on wikipedia, there's some pretty deep meanings to that number
Post by: mupet0000 on August 03, 2009, 04:48:00 PM
QUOTE(B_Smith @ Aug 3 2009, 11:39 PM)
The tools are available for how to get the key, it's just the method on how the keys are obtained are only known by its creator and Foundmy who decided against releasing it to the public right now.
If the tools were available to get the key, no one would have to use foundmy. It's like sending your firmware .bin file in for someone to run through ixtreme (firmtool.exe) in CMD and then send you back a hacked file, while charging you to do that when if they just sent the app you could do it yourself.
Why do you think people will buy a CK3 and probe to flash a Lite-On but are against this? It's because you need the CK3 and probe to dump those lite-ons (or another physical tool) and it isn't just someone being a forced middleman for no apparent reason but to make money off of piracy (what I believe the DVD keys will be used for).
Post by: gxywin on August 03, 2009, 04:51:00 PM
Post by: HipHopHead on August 03, 2009, 04:57:00 PM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Aug 3 2009, 01:08 PM)
Most likely he got a piece of leaked software from THX or something of that nature. He is making money off other peoples work.
I think THX is in on all this. This all seems fishy.
Post by: shai12 on August 03, 2009, 05:01:00 PM
Post by: Millerboy3 on August 03, 2009, 05:06:00 PM
QUOTE(shai12 @ Aug 3 2009, 07:01 PM)
Looks like I be charging ppl with the new liteons $80 to mod ,$30 for my time only(disassemble,apply the f/w,assemble and testing) don't charge for software and say $50 aussie to Foundmy.com for their time few seconds worth
you and me both... only me with USD
Post by: wawnord on August 03, 2009, 05:06:00 PM
QUOTE(gxywin @ Aug 4 2009, 12:51 AM)
Could anyone tell me this solution works or not? Anyone gets the key back from foundmy?
I hope noboby can do this.
No one should use this ...öhm.... "service?" !!
BTW: Iriez confirmed that it works (Of course , he is earning his money with this)
Post by: turny on August 03, 2009, 05:09:00 PM
QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 3 2009, 10:42 PM)
also the difference with the passkey was you physicaly got something for your money..you felt like you purchased something you could see..to charge double for a digital file transfer is oh here we go again..i'm gunna give up lol..
if people wanna pay for it then good luck to them..i no longer flash drives as i cannot possibly charge ANYONE that price to flash a 360..i used ot charge £10 and free upgrades..$42 is triple that
i think i'll stick to repairing 360's instead and let everyone else worry about how much it costs and where to get it done..
Post by: sancho_panza on August 03, 2009, 05:11:00 PM
QUOTE(HotKnife420 @ Aug 4 2009, 12:22 AM)
That has got to be the best arguement against foundmy's service in this entire thread!
No it's not.
I am not an installer and I always done everything by myself (wii psp xbox1 etc) and I NEVER asked nothing to my friends in the case they asked me to do for them.
But, the problem is, I always did this THANKS to the scenes, the teams and the hackers who put everything for free.
I think that so called "installers" who made a earning from the work of OTHER PEOPLE did just ruined the scene.
Can you explain me why "installers" are asking for money when they do, actually, NOTHING for the scene, and ONLY thanks to the work of hackers, who made (until today) everything for free?
And not only they are earning from the hard work done by other, they actually are deeply and roughly CLAIMING this, just read this topic. Don't you think people they are just tired seeing ungrateful people who doesn't pay anything (I not refer to those few who donate, and if they donate they will have no problem to "officially" pay for it), claims for solutions and then began to run a business from this.
I am a "do-by-myself" person and I would have preferred this for free. But if I have to choose, I prefer to fund the hackers scene and not the installer scene. Also, honestly (but really I have no clue) I can suppose that sometime in the future the method will be "leaked" and released for free. Just the time needed to the sceen to get some concrete support.
And then again, you still have wholesale offers, so what's the point? You can easily drop your prices 50% and still have something to earn FOR ABSOLUTELY FREE (if you have the time to do the job).
Also I don't think there's a real concern for the legal aspect. I'm going to buy a product from a legit site. Noone (apart that site) is going to know what did I buy. I saw that foundmy sell something else. So there's really no risk for me. I just will give him the money through paypal (so my data won't be public).
Post by: mupet0000 on August 03, 2009, 05:15:00 PM
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 4 2009, 12:11 AM)
No it's not.
I am not an installer and I always done everything by myself (wii psp xbox1 etc) and I NEVER asked nothing to my friends in the case they asked me to do for them.
But, the problem is, I always did this THANKS to the scenes, the teams and the hackers who put everything for free.
I think that so called "installers" who made a earning from the work of OTHER PEOPLE did just ruined the scene.
Can you explain me why "installers" are asking for money when they do, actually, NOTHING for the scene, and ONLY thanks to the work of hackers, who made (until today) everything for free?
These "installers" get paid by people who are happy to pay them to do something they cannot do, some people just are not "do it yourself" people and willingly pay others to do for them. Being forced to pay to do something you can do if you are provided with the tools/method is DIFFERENT.
Post by: garyopa on August 03, 2009, 05:17:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 03:27 PM)
Second, are you a lawyer? I know a few guys who have consulted with theirs. The implications of legal prosecution is not a small matter.
However, your just a end user of this scene. You are not involved. You do not have the experience or background that I do. Your friends have not been raided by the FBI, had their shops pulled down. You've not seen people go to prison. No, not JAIL. PRISON.
I have.
Of course im not in jail. I've done nothing wrong. Im simply the person who communicates. If others work is illegal then that is a risk they run. Its part of this industry. There are just lines that sometimes you dont want to cross, because crossing them WILL bring down the law ontop of your head.
I fully support the reasons behind this whole thing of not releasing all the details.
I have lost 2 years of my life and most likely another year to go before I can travel again, as I have see
the legal prosecution side and the law ontop of your head, it was not very nice, like being treated worse then a terrorist.
It cost me a small fortune over $12,000 (and that was only very low amount, because my lawyer was a friend of a good friend of mine) to stay out of JAIL and I still got to see 3 days of it, that was enough for a lifetime, not to mention losing every memory of your life, every photo, every piece of paper, and only being left with the contents of your brain, and trust me if the gov. designs brain-memory-erasing-device, that will be the next step, and I was basically prosecuted for my knowledge or ability, like knowing how to build an atomic bomb, you don't really need to do so, just as long as people think you can, that is enough to bring the law ontop of your head, and lose the world you know around you.
I have keep silence about my problems, but I decided to speak my mind here to support the Iriez and the others for their plan of action around this problem, trust me they are making the right move to allow the modding market to exist in the form it does now, if they didn't you all might find yourself with no freedom to do anything at all.
The only reason I am here today to be able to write this message in this thread is because of my lawyer, if I had not pick the right man I would have ended up being front-page news around the world.
The end of my .02cents on this subject, which I think should be just closed, and people should be at least a little bit thankful there is a solution, reading thru the many many pages so far, I don't think I saw one person being thankful they could mod their latest 2009 model now.
Post by: sancho_panza on August 03, 2009, 05:17:00 PM
QUOTE(shai12 @ Aug 4 2009, 01:01 AM)
Looks like I be charging ppl with the new liteons $80 to mod ,$30 for my time only(disassemble,apply the f/w,assemble and testing) don't charge for software and say $50 aussie to Foundmy.com for their time few seconds worth
You can always straight avoid doing this "job". I suppose noone ordered you doing it.
And why are you asking people 30$ for doing a 10 minutes job? That is a 180$ per hour ratio. And the hackers should accept this happens for their work?
Hacking is not about commercial, it's about fun and hobby. I am sure that if there would be no "installer" involved, this would have continued to remain funny.
And no, there's no excuse. If people are not so "intelligent" to disassemble for their own an x360, they could simply avoid to mod it. Again, noone ordered them.
Post by: Ranger72 on August 03, 2009, 05:18:00 PM
QUOTE(shai12 @ Aug 3 2009, 07:01 PM)
Looks like I be charging ppl with the new liteons $80 to mod ,$30 for my time only(disassemble,apply the f/w,assemble and testing) don't charge for software and say $50 aussie to Foundmy.com for their time few seconds worth
For the $33 I make for each drive it consists of me waking up every morning and driving 8 miles to my local UPS warehouse and 8 miles back. After all consoles are done I then have to drive 8 miles back to UPS and 8 miles back home again that afternoon so I can make sure they get out same day they arrive.
BUT to charge $42 to simply double click a file and create a key.bin and email it out is enough to make a person sick.
Yes I am aware of the so called high volume option that has been stated is available but to have this monopolized to just one individual with a less than perfect customer service record is shameful at best.
Either way if this is how it is going to be then the cost will have to be forwarded to the customer which is not right but nothing can be done until there is an alternative.
As for charging at all for service that is debatable. Fact is there is a select group of people who ether don't want to take the time to learn the process or simply don't want the risk who would prefer the peace of mind leaving it up to someone else and to them the service price is worth their piece of mind.
However patients is a virtue and good things come to those who wait. This will have pissed off enough of the RIGHT people in the know to soon come up with an alternative in the near future.
Feel free to flame me away but that's just my 2 cents.
Post by: sancho_panza on August 03, 2009, 05:19:00 PM
QUOTE(mupet0000 @ Aug 4 2009, 01:15 AM)
These "installers" get paid by people who are happy to pay them to do something they cannot do, some people just are not "do it yourself" people and willingly pay others to do for them. Being forced to pay to do something you can do if you are provided with the tools/method is DIFFERENT.
I think those people should just go and using their originals or find a friend who doesn't charge for it.
Running a business from other's work it's worse.
Post by: shai12 on August 03, 2009, 05:21:00 PM
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 3 2009, 11:17 PM)
You can always straight avoid doing this "job". I suppose noone ordered you doing it.
And why are you asking people 30$ for doing a 10 minutes job? That is a 180$ per hour ratio. And the hackers should accept this happens for their work?
Hacking is not about commercial, it's about fun and hobby. I am sure that if there would be no "installer" involved, this would have continued to remain funny.
And no, there's no excuse. If people are not so "intelligent" to disassemble for their own an x360, they could simply avoid to mod it. Again, noone ordered them.
Wow 10 mins it normally takes me roughly 30 mins so doing it as a business I roughly do 3-4 a week here if I'm lucky (small town) so going to make a fortune out of it yeh I wish
Post by: xbox360sexual on August 03, 2009, 05:22:00 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on August 03, 2009, 05:24:00 PM
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 3 2009, 07:19 PM)
Running a business from other's work it's worse.
So if someone does not feel like changing their cars oil or replacing an alternator does that mean that the mechanic who does the work for them should do it for free since the mechanic did not design and manufacture the car?
Post by: Millerboy3 on August 03, 2009, 05:26:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Aug 3 2009, 07:24 PM)
So if someone does not feel like changing their cars oil or replacing an alternator does that mean that the mechanic who does the work for them should do it for free since the mechanic did not design and manufacture the car?
yea like thats gonna happen! this is a perfect example! im glad at least a few ppl have their head on straight.
Post by: sancho_panza on August 03, 2009, 05:34:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Aug 4 2009, 01:24 AM)
So if someone does not feel like changing their cars oil or replacing an alternator does that mean that the mechanic who does the work for them should do it for free since the mechanic did not design and manufacture the car?
Indeed, car manufacters take a large portion of the industry. Actually the largest, just selling their product. Then there are mechanics.
Here, until today, hack manufacteres did take the most narrow portion (ie almost nothing) and they was MANUFACTURING the entire thing. From today on, They will earn a large portion, and you as a "x360 mechanic" will still take something.
I think it's a good deal.
The final user is always paying someone.
True people like me are really the only one are losing from this.
But I have JUST one x360 to do, mine, so I can decide to pay for it, or not. But it's just a personal decision.
QUOTE(Millerboy3 @ Aug 4 2009, 01:26 AM)
yea like thats gonna happen! this is a perfect example! im glad at least a few ppl have their head on straight.
I just discovered Fiat, Alfa Romeo and Lancia are selling their cars for free.
Nice! I will go to buy a Mito tomorrow soon!!
Post by: garyopa on August 03, 2009, 05:34:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Aug 3 2009, 07:24 PM)
So if someone does not feel like changing their cars oil or replacing an alternator does that mean that the mechanic who does the work for them should do it for free since the mechanic did not design and manufacture the car?
Or like going to the FULL-SERVE gas station, and paying a few extra cents per gallon (or here in Canada the LITRE) because I am rush or just like serve on, and don't want to get out of my car, and get my hands smelling like gas, and then stand in line to paid for it.
Or also why do places which serve you a egg and slice of toast and super-thin piece of bacon, charge so much compare to the local supermarket and your own frying pan at home.
Post by: Traviss63 on August 03, 2009, 05:35:00 PM
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 3 2009, 04:11 PM)
No it's not.
I am not an installer and I always done everything by myself (wii psp xbox1 etc) and I NEVER asked nothing to my friends in the case they asked me to do for them.
But, the problem is, I always did this THANKS to the scenes, the teams and the hackers who put everything for free.
I think that so called "installers" who made a earning from the work of OTHER PEOPLE did just ruined the scene.
Can you explain me why "installers" are asking for money when they do, actually, NOTHING for the scene, and ONLY thanks to the work of hackers, who made (until today) everything for free?
And not only they are earning from the hard work done by other, they actually are deeply and roughly CLAIMING this, just read this topic. Don't you think people they are just tired seeing ungrateful people who doesn't pay anything (I not refer to those few who donate, and if they donate they will have no problem to "officially" pay for it), claims for solutions and then began to run a business from this.
I am a "do-by-myself" person and I would have preferred this for free. But if I have to choose, I prefer to fund the hackers scene and not the installer scene. Also, honestly (but really I have no clue) I can suppose that sometime in the future the method will be "leaked" and released for free. Just the time needed to the sceen to get some concrete support.
And then again, you still have wholesale offers, so what's the point? You can easily drop your prices 50% and still have something to earn FOR ABSOLUTELY FREE (if you have the time to do the job).
Also I don't think there's a real concern for the legal aspect. I'm going to buy a product from a legit site. Noone (apart that site) is going to know what did I buy. I saw that foundmy sell something else. So there's really no risk for me. I just will give him the money through paypal (so my data won't be public).
Let me make it a little easier for you to understand...
I have the means to change my own oil (hands and a brain).... but I live in a condo with no garage so I'll be out in the heat, I don't have all the tools or oil needed on hand so I'll have to go to the store and buy it all. Then of course there is the time involved and we all know time is money.
Now if I go to Jiffy Lube and have an experienced grease-monkey do it, who BTW has been doing it for years, has an air conditioned bay with a car lift, all the tools and parts are right there in arms reach and they do it in a fraction of the time not only because of this but because of experience.
BREAKDOWN FOR THE DUMMIES
tools & oil = ck3 or MX
Garage= PC equipped with all needed components(i.e. PCI card, drivers and software tested and working)
GreaseMonkey= "Installer" I bet I can mod 5 Liteons in the time it takes a first timer to do 1 benq
My point is I use Jiffy Lube when I want an oil change.
Post by: mupet0000 on August 03, 2009, 05:36:00 PM
QUOTE(garyopa @ Aug 4 2009, 12:34 AM)
Or like going to the FULL-SERVE gas station, and paying a few extra cents per gallon (or here in Canada the LITRE) because I am rush or just like serve on, and don't want to get out of my car, and get my hands smelling like gas, and then stand in line to paid for it.
Or also why do places which serve you a egg and slice of toast and super-thin piece of bacon, charge so much compare to the local supermarket and your own frying pan at home.
Well you have a choice to do those things. If you want to flash a new Lite-On you don't really have a choice at the moment, it's either pay and flash or don't pay and don't flash.
Post by: vb_encryption_vb on August 03, 2009, 05:37:00 PM
QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 3 2009, 02:41 PM)
i dont know if its just me but i have actualy been sat here for 2 hours constantly hitting refresh and praying that i read (in this order)
1. Foundmy.com has seen sense and drasticaly reduced its price
2. the owner of Foundmy.com has been raided and is currently in custody awaiting trial where M$ is pressing for a $1,000,000 fine and at least 50 years in prison
3. the owner of Foundmy.com has been found dead by police in what is said to be suspicious circumstances due to the fact he was laid on a bed of $50 bills surrounded by empty champagne bottles with an xbox 360 inserted into his anal orrifice whilst wearing a gimp mask..
ooOO how do you spell robbing f**kers
Hilarious!
QUOTE(Reznik Akime @ Aug 3 2009, 04:00 PM)
It's events like this that draw a fine line between petty pirates and modding enthusiasts. Makes me think back to the PS2 days. Either way, I don't much like Foundmy and their practices but they were the first to offer it. Granted I wouldn't pay THEM the $42, I would gladly pay someone more reputable who could do the same thing as Foundmy for the same service.
What do you get for $42? A key. What does this key do? Oh, hey. You don't have to pay for games anymore which range up to $60 on average. OMFG! You have to pay $42 dollars to play any game you like without having to buy it?! What a fucking travesty! Oh, I'm terribly sorry. I mean back up the games you already own.
Some of you folk need to go back to school and learn some simple math. Or is this the math they're teaching in schools these days?
Silly, petty pirates.
The only math these lil bastards know these days is done via calculator, I can go grab any 15 year old off the street ask him what square root means and they won't have a clue as to what the hell I'm talking about. If it can't be programed into a calculator, ipod touch, iphone or google they have no idea.
Now on topic, who gives a shit, price of modding will go up is all for ppl that don't know how or don't want to risk doing the mod. So either they will risk modding themselves or they will pay someone like me that's considered an "asshole" because I charge 45.00 USD plus 15.00 for return shipping. This is what I do for a living when I'm laid off from work. I'm not some punk 14 year old sitting in his basement, I'm just an American asshole who pays his taxes and gets laid off every now and then and needs to pay bills. Could be worse I could be knocking over gas stations and banks for a living.
Post by: ps2moduk on August 03, 2009, 05:37:00 PM
Chips have not been designed as who is going to use one when it is so much easier to flash a drive?
But what will most likely happen is that this company and whoever else is part of it will make a few bucks (always someone willing to pay even if extortionate) before someone figures out how to do it. This company will then be avoided like the plague, pretty much like the original NEO modchips for the ps2.
One other thing
They do not say you can flash the new liteon drive with the information, just that they will provide you with the key. So you could be left with a key that you can do nothing with except maybe spoof an different drive with it.
Post by: mupet0000 on August 03, 2009, 05:40:00 PM
QUOTE(ps2moduk @ Aug 4 2009, 12:37 AM)
They do not say you can flash the new liteon drive with the information, just that they will provide you with the key. So you could be left with a key that you can do nothing with except maybe spoof an different drive with it.
Yeah, at the moment there is no iXtreme for the newer drives, so the only thing you can do with the key is spoof another drive. Though iXtreme is being developed for these drives, it's meant to be out by the end of the week.
Post by: dokworm on August 03, 2009, 05:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Usuario-X @ Aug 3 2009, 07:40 AM)
obtain two .bin files from two diferent drives and compare it, post the results here
More to the point, run this on a few liteon drives and look at the results, then compare those with the actual keys extracted from those drives and you are on your way to reverse engineering the calculations required to create the key.
These guys are foolish, make it like ten bucks and you would be flooded, it would be enough money to cover the costs of running the service and make some profit for your trouble. $42 is just too pricey.
Post by: Jbasto on August 03, 2009, 05:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Traviss63 @ Aug 3 2009, 07:35 PM)
My point is I use Jiffy Lube when I want an oil change.
Lmao and they suck ballz i worked there in my young yrs and i can say they suck and still do strip oil pans and shit.
But come on people just see what happens and stop sayin that there rip offs just dont get there service and wait.
Post by: garyopa on August 03, 2009, 05:47:00 PM
QUOTE(mupet0000 @ Aug 3 2009, 07:40 PM)
Yeah, at the moment there is no iXtreme for the newer drives, so the only thing you can do with the key is spoof another drive. Though iXtreme is being developed for these drives, it's meant to be out by the end of the week.
The same thing happen with the first model of Liteon drive, it was months after a way was found to dump the key, before a firmware was released, at times people thought a firmware would never be released, so alot of places just installed a toshiba/samsung drive spoofed to the info dumped by liteon key extraction, and that worked with no problems.
In bulk I can get a complete working toshiba/samsung drive with empty firmware for only $20 when ordered direct from china, and I see alot of the big time mod shops doing just that, to be able to get this x360's units out the door, or the big websites offering preflashed x360's for sale instead of hunting around for older x360's units to purchase.
Post by: turny on August 03, 2009, 05:47:00 PM
QUOTE(garyopa @ Aug 4 2009, 12:17 AM)
I fully support the reasons behind this whole thing of not releasing all the details.
I have lost 2 years of my life and most likely another year to go before I can travel again, as I have see
the legal prosecution side and the law ontop of your head, it was not very nice, like being treated worse then a terrorist.
It cost me a small fortune over $12,000 (and that was only very low amount, because my lawyer was a friend of a good friend of mine) to stay out of JAIL and I still got to see 3 days of it, that was enough for a lifetime, not to mention losing every memory of your life, every photo, every piece of paper, and only being left with the contents of your brain, and trust me if the gov. designs brain-memory-erasing-device, that will be the next step, and I was basically prosecuted for my knowledge or ability, like knowing how to build an atomic bomb, you don't really need to do so, just as long as people think you can, that is enough to bring the law ontop of your head, and lose the world you know around you.
I have keep silence about my problems, but I decided to speak my mind here to support the Iriez and the others for their plan of action around this problem, trust me they are making the right move to allow the modding market to exist in the form it does now, if they didn't you all might find yourself with no freedom to do anything at all.
The only reason I am here today to be able to write this message in this thread is because of my lawyer, if I had not pick the right man I would have ended up being front-page news around the world.
The end of my .02cents on this subject, which I think should be just closed, and people should be at least a little bit thankful there is a solution, reading thru the many many pages so far, I don't think I saw one person being thankful they could mod their latest 2009 model now.
thank you personally for your views, and no one here can feel the pain and anxiety you have had to suffer and endure,so I thank you from the bottom of my heart, and I hope that people realise what is involved when they start whinging about nothing.
Post by: [TONE] on August 03, 2009, 05:51:00 PM
first, garyopa sorry to hear bout all the troubles uve gone thru. seriously am. but if anything u shud know that this isnt the "safe" way either. we all know $ is changing hands here. i know it cost a pretty penny to do the first liteon. ive spoke with many involved a few times bout all that. with that said. do any of u really think its safe to have this place or any place for that matter have a logged list of drive serials along with peoples personal info. i dont care what way u pay unless ur handing some1 cash or using false info that it cant somehow be traced back to whoever. even for the people who made the tool and passed it to foundmy.com. there is paper trails all over im sure of that.... i understand the part of people deserve payback for their work from time to time but lets face it this ISNT the safe way to do it.
second, wtf is gonna happen now when this REFURB i got back with this new liteon in it rrods in 2 weeks as we all know happens ALOT! is foundmy.com gonna take my word for it and offer me a free or discounted use of the tool??? prolly not.....
third, theres tons of people out there that do plenty for all the scenes and dont get anything in return. alot of those people also spend tons of money out their own pockets... and its very well known once money comes into play. scenes start getting sloppy and people start going to jail! ive seen it ive heard of it and dam near been part of it......
forth, 42$ is highway robbery for use of a tool that the user has to do all the work himself. then trust a email to a known terrible online store, when no1 can GUARANTEE me it is gonna give the right key everytime. for 42$ i better be shipping my drive to u to have it come back modded for me....
fifth, u should also tell your friend over there at foundmy.com to not tell people itll eventually be free.....
feel free to flame me bout any of this............
Post by: shai12 on August 03, 2009, 06:13:00 PM
Hmm.........
Post by: [TONE] on August 03, 2009, 06:22:00 PM
QUOTE(shai12 @ Aug 4 2009, 01:13 AM)
Tried to do a dummy order with http://foundmy.com their only payment method is via Western Union wire transfer funny thing that this payment method is banned on Ebay :Fraudsters may try to get you to pay using Western Union or MoneyGram. Sometimes theyll even email you 'proof' that eBay says its ok. eBay does not allow sellers to ask for payment by Western Union or MoneyGram. These methods are hard to trace and there is no recourse or protection if the item is not delivered.
Hmm.........
ebay would rather u pay with people they are partners with. moneygrams can def be tracked and it has to be made out to some1 specific for it to be cashed. i deal with moneygrams all day long at work (collection agency) and trust me u dont wanna try to fraud them..... western union is a different story depending on how u actually send it. there are many ways to do it to make it safer for u the sender. again it has to be made out to some specific in order for it to be cashed on the other end.
Post by: MiamiSoldi3r on August 03, 2009, 07:26:00 PM
Post by: uberd0gg on August 03, 2009, 08:05:00 PM
do the math - they are losing out on a lot of potential $$$
Post by: Ranger72 on August 03, 2009, 08:11:00 PM
QUOTE(uberd0gg @ Aug 3 2009, 10:05 PM)
worst business decision in history. 90% of people are refusing to pay $42, if they were asking $10 I'm sure 90% would go for it.
do the math - they are losing out on a lot of potential $$$
They are banking on the potential that there will not be any other solution. IF this is the case then the simple fact is you will pay the price or you wont mod the drive. And for a while this will be the case. BUT if and when a workaround to this shameful decision is found it will have left enough bad taste in peoples mouths that the people behind it will never have the respect they once had.
Post by: majik655 on August 03, 2009, 08:46:00 PM
Exchange rate? 2$
Post by: majinsoftware on August 03, 2009, 08:51:00 PM
Leave them alone for a month charging and MS will come down on them like a box of bricks. Then once MS is busy with them oh look a free solution has come out. MS will be to busy with the easy target that has been making profit then tracking down a free piece of software.
And most likely any one that has used that service will have there info logged. So once MS brings them down they will have a database of all the hacked consoles so it will be a easy ban.
So just wait, And play all your originals that you have to own. The new liteon drive will be very unlikely to scratch disks anyway.
Post by: RRODXbox on August 03, 2009, 09:08:00 PM
Also, it takes the comfort factor away from me, I like to be able to see key extracted and matched 6 times with my own eyes, whats to say that the app doesnt extract the data properly and Foundmy gets the wrong key, I bet they will not accept the responsibility and it will be left up to me to sort the stupid mess out and have to buy the customer a new Xbox!
Post by: dokworm on August 03, 2009, 09:09:00 PM
QUOTE(ekruob @ Aug 3 2009, 04:41 PM)
Wont decompiling the iXtreme LiteOn firmware reveal the exact encryption algorithm being used?
With modern encryption routines, even if you know the exact encryption method used, you still can't decrypt the code. In fact most modern encryption routines are *published* in the public domain, doesn't make them easier to crack.
If you want this to happen on the dark-side then the best thing to do is...
1. Use their software to get the bin dump.
2. Anyone who pays for a key, publish the key and the bindump somewhere (knowing that you are taking all sorts of risks by doing so, but hey - if you want something you have to stand up and be counted)
3. Compile as many keys and dumps as possible and set it as a crypto challenge for all the cryptonomicon fans out there. I'm guessing it is a bitch to crack, but there are some crazy bastards out there that might have a go.
4. If anything is found, it would only ever be released anonymously, breaking crypto is lifetime-jail term type stuff in some countries.
5. Don't expect a quick result, unless it gets leaked.
So if you want it to happen, collect and share the information, get some drives and buy some keys, or get the info from someone who has already paid. It won't happen without it.
The upside of this is we know it is possible at least, unless they managed to get a leak themselves in which case there may never be a solution outside of them.
Also, how fast is their turnaround, do you get a key straight back, or does it take a few days, wondering if they have a key generator or if it takes a while to crack for each one.
You could also try sending them a dummy file with simple repetitive data, if they send you back a key then it might be easier to see the algorithm on preset data rather than from an actual dump.
Post by: Mr.RedRing on August 03, 2009, 09:15:00 PM
Post by: dokworm on August 03, 2009, 09:25:00 PM
QUOTE(alan_poh @ Aug 3 2009, 11:31 PM)
after reading all of the posts in this topic.....my opinion Iriez that you are defending that asshole at the foundmy cause you are getting something from it....dont see any other reason why would you do that ?
the most ridicolous thing i read from you is that the ppl are very scared (ROFL) releasing a hack....
oh no! I and other ppl here cant say that! no, we dont know whats going on!!...you saw friends taken to the prison by the FBI (maybe they were aliens with human faces?), you saw shops taken down (wow), you saw scary movie 6? LOL
we are just too stupid! right? every day we can see tons of mp3's, windows, games, movies released....and so what? yes, there are some of them that get caught, rarely....but no one is scared, its obvious they arent, every day we can be happy cause they exists....
as others said, i donated in the past to jungle and will do again...but to that asshole at foundmy (maybe he is your friend, a scared one
) im not giving a cent....will wait....and we all know, even you, that the wait will be a short one....
If the circumvention violations are determined to be willful and for commercial or private financial gain, first time offenders may be fined up to $500,000, imprisoned for five years, or both
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Post by: letsmod on August 03, 2009, 09:41:00 PM
QUOTE(majik655 @ Aug 3 2009, 07:46 PM)
Sorry if this is off topic I just could not read ALL of the posts but what made it 42$ I mean why not 40?
Exchange rate? 2$
credit card processing fee LOL
Post by: gamestuff on August 03, 2009, 10:36:00 PM
Its quite simple we all have a couple choices:
1. Pay $42 and be happy we can flash our drive.
2. bitch and moan and pay $60-80/game.
i'm taking number 1.
I flash xbox's daily, usually 5-10 a day. I have only seen a couple of these new drives and told them they are out of luck. Now i can tell them they have to pay a premium. Most will pay the premium. I charge $25-30 Canadian to flash a box, this is going to cost me another $45 cdn about so i'm gonna charge $100 for the complete flash and make an extra $25 for the hassle.
To the modders out there, this is a GOOD thing. This is a chance to add a little profit in there again. Add another $60 to your customers order and tell him its cause of his drive. 60-42 = $18 in your pocket. your customers WILL pay for it.
I do wii mod chips as well, i charge $100 to put a $30 chip in there. Why? because the market allows me to do it and because i market that chip as the best out there. There just needs to be a market adjustment because really most of us were doing xboxs for next to nothing anyways.
If you don't like Foundmy.com or have a problem with his payment methods, give it a little time there will be alternatives but they won't be any cheaper
Post by: Iriez on August 03, 2009, 10:50:00 PM
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' date='Aug 3 2009, 03:11 PM' post='4514831']
and what about those who have donated plenty to the scene with no pay for it?? like myself. would it be ok in all your eyes for abgx360 to charge per fixed iso u do? this is setting a very bad trend... no1 wants foundmy.com having a list of cc numbers user info and their drive serials... m$ will surely jump all over this site after the hackers and script kiddies do....
and i must ask are the guys who released the firmdecrypt.exe for the hitachi drives in jail? i really dont see how any1 is sticking to the legal excuse here really.... if some1 found this out then another person IS able to do the same. dont expect this to be a lengthy period of paying for this. even the foundmy.com guy thinks itll be free soon enuff. and i wont post logs but yes he DID say this....
and what about those who have donated plenty to the scene with no pay for it?? like myself. would it be ok in all your eyes for abgx360 to charge per fixed iso u do? this is setting a very bad trend... no1 wants foundmy.com having a list of cc numbers user info and their drive serials... m$ will surely jump all over this site after the hackers and script kiddies do....
and i must ask are the guys who released the firmdecrypt.exe for the hitachi drives in jail? i really dont see how any1 is sticking to the legal excuse here really.... if some1 found this out then another person IS able to do the same. dont expect this to be a lengthy period of paying for this. even the foundmy.com guy thinks itll be free soon enuff. and i wont post logs but yes he DID say this....
lol @ the hitachi. You could patch that firmware without even decrypting/encrypting it
That was not real encryption. Absolutely nothing on the level of the liteon.QUOTE(wawnord @ Aug 3 2009, 03:22 PM)
I would pay- but NOT for every single Key
I would pay- but no 42 Bucks für 5 seconds work (after your long and difficult work)
I would pay -but not to foundmy.com.. look HERE
So Iriez.. what do we have to pay to get the deal and NOT foundmy.com?
I think most of us would pay 20 or 30 $ to break this solution free, for everybody.
I would!!
But near zero of us will pay to foundmy!!!!
wawnord: I hope another reputable shop will purchase wholesale licenses and start doing this. That would resolve your issues.
QUOTE(DanB91 @ Aug 3 2009, 03:56 PM)
Is what foundmy.com doing illegal? After all, they are decrypting the key which you have said is illegal. If so do you really think that the FBI is going to take down his site?
Do you really think this is the only guy on the planet that has the capabilities of decrypting the firmware? Or was that "forever" response to whether the program that this guy is using will be leaked? (In which case I agree with you)
I would to also know what happened to the "failsafe" option you announced as well.
the final process of any 'failsafe' was never formulated because of the difficulties presented with the crypto. There are other means to obtain firmware/information from the drive, but the crypt is still the giant wall of resistance.
I am unsure if the providing of the key data as a service would be illegal, but I obviously have a opinion as to which way it leans.
Post by: gamestuff on August 03, 2009, 10:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 09:45 PM)
wawnord: I hope another reputable shop will purchase wholesale licenses and start doing this. That would resolve your issues.
Coming soon
Post by: Perkele on August 03, 2009, 10:51:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 4 2009, 04:45 AM)
wawnord: I hope another reputable shop will purchase wholesale licenses and start doing this. That would resolve your issues.
I doubt a reputable shop will take the risk to purchase wholesale licenses from a non-reputable shop.
Post by: drgaston on August 03, 2009, 10:52:00 PM
QUOTE(gamestuff @ Aug 3 2009, 10:36 PM)
Its quite simple we all have a couple choices:
1. Pay $42 and be happy we can flash our drive.
2. bitch and moan and pay $60-80/game.
3. buy any pre-june 360 you can find while you still can find any ... and either keep them for when your current XBox RROD on you or resell at a fat premium in a few weeks when the market is saturated with the new drives.
Just found one at Microcenter today, you should have better luck with low volume stores.
Post by: STICKY_BUD on August 03, 2009, 10:55:00 PM
i personally will never choose to use this service... i have 2 consoles that i am not using so i do not expect that i will never need this service.
however, if this monopoly persists and i ever need to buy another 360 console for some reason, i will now choose to find one via craigslist. i would search for a jasper/liteon(1st) or else some poor sap with a brand new console who, has already spent the money on this service and, needs to sell.
Post by: ssj4android on August 03, 2009, 11:19:00 PM
I'd certainly be more concerned about your freedom now that you're receiving money, Iriez. Same with the everyone else involved in the process. How much do you think has been spent developing methods to trace money to combat terrorism?
Post by: farntheplaya on August 03, 2009, 11:29:00 PM
what if foundmy gets shutdown or worse they go to jail or a solution to hack the new liteon comes out for free
will foundmy refund the unused licenses probably not...
I dont mind buying 100 licenses but just what if foundmy just gets up and dissapears in 2 months(for legal reasons) thats close to 1000-2000 down the drain..
maybe if foundmy worked out another system where your licenses get cheaper as you buy more per account. and you buy it as you use them therefore its no risk in losing a lot of money if something goes wrong.
unlike the cellphone scene where everybody pays for unlocks theirs actually a benifit for being a more higher up member. Normal users have to wait 2 days sometimes while others get it in hours. and not only that but lets say if a certain phone magically has a free software solution the credits are used for other phones.
if and thats a big if the new liteon hack comes out for free us wholesale buyers are screwed!!!
so how is foundmy going to protect us from these unforeseen conditions?
Post by: DanB91 on August 03, 2009, 11:34:00 PM
QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 3 2009, 04:47 PM)
they can log my ip all they like lol..i have visited the site once (which was enough to put me off instantly lol) i have not signed up for the site have not given any details and will never do so..if something was to happen to that site i'm pretty sure the authorities would point the finger at the 100+ users who have complained and had an axe to grind with the site lol..
i do think before i type and i have made some valid points that i hope Terry Waskowich takes very seriously.
i also know the site didnt just pop up..3 pages of complaints show its been doing bad business for a few years now lol..
also 1 of the main gripes on the complaints list was about shipping addresses not matching credit card addresses. this is a well known problem..especialy with oscommerce and paypal but after 3 years he is still having the same problems as his front page warns you about addresses not matching..
i challenge you to put all this aside and visit foundmy.com as though you where a first time user.. are you seriously telling me you would trust a site that looks like that with your credit card :-s
i actualy know what i am taking about but am not going to get into a bitching contest. if anyone wants to pay $42 to that site then feel free..i wouldnt give them 1 cent as it would mean me signing up to them..
Post by: .ISO on August 03, 2009, 11:52:00 PM
DO NOT "BUY" THIS SERVICE, WAIT UNTIL C4EVA REVEALS THE ALGORITHM!
Post by: djkneegrow on August 03, 2009, 11:56:00 PM
Post by: [TONE] on August 04, 2009, 12:25:00 AM
lol @ the hitachi. You could patch that firmware without even decrypting/encrypting it
That was not real encryption. Absolutely nothing on the level of the liteon.iriez come on now you know i was hoping for a better response than that
Post by: NoZart on August 04, 2009, 12:54:00 AM
1: the argument "making money of the works of others" gets thrown around a lot here. Hm. So all you Installers write your own firmwares to flash? Do you not profit of the work of others? And the argument "but i do it for people who are happy to pay because they are too lazy/stupid to do it themselves" just adds to the stupidity:
Now YOU installers are the guys who are too lazy/stupid to come up with a solution, so you have to pay. Period.
2: "everything should be free": welcome to the real world, kiddo. Get a job and pay for what you want, stop bitching.
3: Bitching about the prize: as i see it, 42 Bucks is a pretty sweet deal, considering ONE game costs 60 bucks.
4: Iriez, if you talk about legal circumstances, at least stay true. Telling people someone goes to Prison FOR LIFE is just BS. I asked my lawyer about that and in this field its 2-5 years or a fine of 20.000 €. This is Austrian Law, but i bet my sweet metallic ass that the other countries have set up somehow similar fines and dont deviate too much from that.
5: Foundmy.com beeing scammers: if you (legally) hazy guys dont trust other (legally) hazy guys, thats healthy crime. But bitching about it is just not.
6: foundmy store is insecure: doesnt matter anyway. MS just waits a few months and then will unleash the dogs. They get a big bunch of drivekeys without any big sweat and swing the banhammer to boost the console sales again. And thats exactly why i will not be using the service. No key leaves my house. The danger of it coming somehow into another box or MS hands is just too high. And no argument will change that for me.
7: If you insist on keeping your small businesses you have to adapt. Patch only drives you can patch, diss the new liteon. Advise your customers on how to read the labels and get boxes with patchable drives or use ebay to get used boxes and fix them up. You even might help your customers save a few bucks on their purchase and thats always nice. Or even better, work on their behalf, get a workable xbox in their name and patch it.
To all the guys doing it only for themselves: is it really that hard to get a workable xbox for you? back when Benq was unhackable i had absolutely no problem getting an xbox with a sammy. Read up on whats possible for free and then buy accordingly. Dont buy xboxes with yet unhacked drives, and if you get one unpatchable by accident, resell it.
This post has been edited by NoZart: Aug 4 2009, 08:03 AM
Post by: kakaboy on August 04, 2009, 01:09:00 AM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 4 2009, 12:12 AM)
Of course there will be a free ixtreme.
That does NOT mean that the team will figure out a way to decrypt the key data. We've obviously already looked at the method, and its nothing new. The key data is encrypted. The exe just dumps that info. Yes it appears to be a slightly altered dvdkey32 ....*shrugs* ....why do double work?
The problem is the encryption. Even if we defeat the crypt we cannot release the algo to the public. That would be incredibly illegal.
foundmy has come up with a solution to what was the main thing holding the release of ixtreme back. The firmware has already been in the works and we've had solutions to read/write firmware. However that is not the same as read/write key data!
The crypt used on these drives are NOT simple. If we found a way to decrypt the key data this moment, you would still never see it released to public. Its simply very illegal.
So I hate to break it to everyone, but its looking like this will be the only solution.
While I agree $42 is abit steep....its a very small price to pay for the modification of what is previously a unmodifiable drive. And for those of you modding for others? Its not coming out of your pocket, so stop complaining. Infact, everyone should stop complaining period. If someone has spent hard work to figure out something then they should be rewarded for it.
Who knows, maybe HyperX will get with MS to sue foundmy?
lol j/k Reward is one thing but being a capitilistic self gratifying pig is not in the spirit of the mod community . We waited this long im sure others feel the same , we will wait some more
Post by: sancho_panza on August 04, 2009, 01:12:00 AM
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In mathematics
Forty-two is an abundant number; its factorization 2 · 3 · 7 makes it the second sphenic number and also the second of the form { 2 · 3 · r }. As with all sphenic numbers of this form, the aliquot sum is abundant by 12. 42 is also the second sphenic number to be bracketed by twin primes; 30 also rests between two primes. 42 has a 14 member aliquot sequence 42, 54, 66, 78, 90, 144, 259, 45, 33, 15, 9, 4, 3, 1, 0 and is itself part of the aliquot sequence commencing with the first sphenic number 30. Further, 42 is the 10th member of the 3-aliquot tree.
42 is the product of the first three terms of Sylvester's sequence; like the first four such numbers it is also a primary pseudoperfect number.
It is the sum of the totient function for the first eleven integers.
It is a Catalan number. Consequently, 42 is the number of noncrossing partitions of a set of five elements, the number of triangulations of a heptagon, the number of rooted ordered binary trees with six leaves, the number of ways in which five pairs of nested parentheses can be arranged, etc.
It is the reciprocal of a Bernoulli number.
It is conjectured to be the scaling factor in the leading order term of the "sixth moment of the Riemann zeta function". In particular, Conrey & Ghosh have conjectured
where the infinite product is over all prime numbers, p.[1][2]
It is a pronic number, and the third pentadecagonal number. It is a meandric number and an open meandric number.
Since the greatest prime factor of 422 + 1 = 1765 is 353 and thus more than 42 twice, 42 is a Størmer number.
42 is a perfect score on the USA Math Olympiad (USAMO)[3] and International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO).[4]
In base 10, this number is a Harshad number and a self number, while it is a repdigit in base 4 (as 222).
The eight digits of pi beginning from 242,422 places after the decimal point are 42424242.
Given 27 same-size cubes whose nominal values progress from 1 to 27, a 3×3×3 "magic cube" can be constructed such that every row, column, and corridor, and every diagonal passing through the center, comprises 3 cubes whose sum of values is 42.
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In science
The atomic number of molybdenum.
The angle in degrees for which a rainbow appears.
In 1965, mathematician Paul Cooper theorized that the fastest, most efficient way to travel across continents would be to bore a straight hollow tube directly through the Earth, connecting a set of antipodes, evacuate it (remove the air), and then just fall through. The first half of the journey consists of free-fall acceleration, while the second half consists of an exactly equal deceleration. The time for such a journey works out to be 42 minutes. Remarkably, even if the tube does not pass through the exact center of the Earth, the time for a journey powered entirely by gravity always works out to be 42 minutes, as long as the tube remains friction-free, as while gravity's force would be lessened, so would the distance traveled at an equal rate.[5][6] The same idea was proposed by Lewis Carroll in Sylvie and Bruno, volume 2, chapter 7, without calculation.
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In astronomy
Messier object M42, a magnitude 5.0 diffuse nebula in the constellation Orion, also known as the Orion Nebula
The New General Catalogue object NGC 42, a spiral galaxy in the constellation Pegasus
In January 2005, Asteroid 2001 DA42 was given the name Asteroid Douglasadams, named for the author Douglas Adams who popularized the number 42 and died in 2001. With even his initials in the provisional designation, Brian G. Marsden, the director of the Minor Planet Center and the secretary for the naming committee, said, "This was sort of made for him, wasn't it?"
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In religion
The number 42 appears in various contexts in Christianity. There are 42 generations (names) in the Gospel of Matthew's version of the Genealogy of Jesus; it is prophesied that for 42 months the Beast will hold dominion over the Earth (Revelation 13:5); 42 men of Beth-azmaveth were counted in the census of men of Israel upon return from exile (Ezra 2:24); God sent bears to maul 42 of the youths who mock Elisha for his baldness (2 Kings 2:23), King Saul reigned over Israel 42 years (1 Samuel 13:1); etc.
42 also occurs in other religions. There are 42 principles of Ma'at, the Ancient Egyptian personification of physical and moral law, order, and truth. In the judgement scene described in the Egyptian and the Book of the Coming/Going Forth by Day (the Book of the Dead (which evolved from the Coffin Texts and the Pyramid Texts)), there are 42 Gods and Goddesses of Egypt, personifying the principles of Ma'at, who ask questions of the departed, while Thoth records the answers, and the deceased's heart is weighed against the feather of Truth (Ma'at). These 42 correspond to the 42 Nomes (Governmental Units) of Egypt. If the departed successfully answers all 42, s/he becomes an Osiris.
In Judaism, the number (in the Babylonian Talmud, compiled 375 AD to 499 AD) of the "Forty-Two Lettered Name" ascribed to God. Rab (or Rabhs), a 3rd century source in the Talmud stated "The Forty-Two Lettered Name is entrusted only to him who is pious, meek, middle-aged, free from bad temper, sober, and not insistent on his rights". [Source: Talmud Kidduschin 71a, Translated by Rabbi Dr. I. Epstein]. Maimonides felt that the original Talmudic Forty-Two Lettered Name was perhaps composed of several combined divine names [Maimonides "Moreh"]. The apparently unpronouncable Tetragrammaton provides the backdrop from the Twelve-Lettered Name and the Forty-Two Lettered Name of the Talmud.
42 is the number with which God creates the Universe in Kabalistic tradition. In Kabbalah, the most significant name is that of the En Sof (also known as "Ein Sof", "Infinite" or "Endless"), who is above the Sefirot (sometimes spelled "Sephirot").[7] The Forty-Two-Lettered Name contains four combined names which are spelled in Hebrew letters (spelled in letters = 42 letters), which is the name of Azilut (or "Atziluth" "Animation"). While there are obvious links between the Forty-Two Lettered Name of the Babylonian Talmud (see further up this page) and the Kabbalah's Forty-Two Lettered Name, they are probably not identical due to the Kabbalah's emphasis on numbers. The Kabbalah also contains a Forty-Five Lettered Name and a Seventy-Two Lettered Name.
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In The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Many occurrences of the number 42 in pop culture can be attributed as an homage to Douglas Adams' book The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, in which the number 42 is The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything, as calculated by an enormous supercomputer over a period of 7.5 million years. According to the fifth Hitchhiker volume, Mostly Harmless, 42 is the location of Stavromula Beta. Thus, 42 may be the world's longest written riddle, since the riddle of the question to the answer was raised in the first volume, and not answered until the final page of the fifth, and then passes unnoticed by the story's ever-bumbling characters. Adams later (1994) created the 42 Puzzle, a game based on the number 42.
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In other literature
The first book to be printed with movable type, the Gutenberg Bible, is also known as the '42-line Bible', after the number of lines of print on each page.
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In music
Level 42 is an English pop/rock band.
"42" is one of the tracks on Coldplay's 2008 album Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends.
Strigaskór nr. 42 is an Icelandic band
42 is the title of a song by Philadelphia based jam/electronica band The Disco Biscuits
"Forty-Two" is the title of a song from The Afters 'Never Going Back To OK' album, released February 26, 2008.
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In television and film
The Kumars at No. 42 television series. In 2003, Sanjeev Bhaskar hosted a BBC show nominating The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy as Britain's Best Loved Book.
42 is one of The Numbers - 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42 - featured in Lost.
A made for TV movie 42: Forty Two Up - an installment in a series of documentaries wherein the director revisits the same group of British-born individuals every 7 years.[8]
42 is an episode of Doctor Who, set in real time lasting approximately 42 minutes.
42 is the name of Buzz Lightyear's space ship from Pixar's animated science fiction series Buzz Lightyear of Star Command.
In an episode of "House M.D" Dr. House claims that his favorite number is 42.
In A Clockwork Orange Alex browses through records in a record store and we see a record of the, at this time fictional, band Level 42.
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In video games
42 Entertainment is the company responsible for several alternate reality games, including I Love Bees and Year Zero.
In the PC game, Spore, reaching the center of the galaxy yields a powerful item known as the "Staff of Life" which has a limited 42 uses. It also grants the player an achievement titled "42".
In the 2008 game Fable II, the last in a series of ancient artifacts the player can find says "Now just think of the number 42."
101010 (42 in Binary) is an open-source Java game.
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In sports
Jackie Robinson in his now-retired number 42 jersey.
The jersey number of Jackie Robinson, which is the only number retired by all Major League Baseball teams. Although the number was retired in 1997, the last professional baseball player to wear number 42, Mariano Rivera of the New York Yankees, is currently still using it.
The jersey number of football Hall of Famer, Ronnie Lott, safety for the San Francisco 49ers who retired his jersey number in 2003.
The jersey number of Pat Tillman, which was retired on November 13, 2004 by Arizona State University.
The number of laws of cricket.
The number on Lee Petty's racing car when he raced in NASCAR. [9]
The number of hockey player, Kyle Wellwood who presently plays for the Vancouver Canucks. (NHL)
The number of Juan Pablo Montoya's race car in the Nascar Sprint Cup Series.
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In technology
42 is a common magic number used by programmers:
In the TIFF image file format, the second 16-bit word of every file is 42, which is used together with the first word to indicate byte order.
In the reiser4 file system, 42 is the inode number of the root directory.
The GNU C Library, a set of standard routines available for use in computer programming, contains a function—memfrob()—which performs an XOR combination of a given variable and the binary pattern 00101010 (42) as an XOR cipher.
42 is the result given by the web search engines Google and Wolfram Alpha when the query "the answer to life the universe and everything" is entered as a search.
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In other fields
Tower 42 is a skyscraper in the City of London, formerly known as the NatWest Tower.
The name of a Texan trick-taking game played with dominoes (see 42 (dominoes)).
In New York City, 42nd Street is a main and very popular two-way thoroughfare. Landmarks on it include the Chrysler Building, Grand Central Station, the main branch of the New York Public Library, and Times Square. The New York City street is also the setting for a movie by the same name (which also gave fame to its eponymous title song), and which later inspired a musical adaptation, 42nd Street.
1 In mathematics
2 In science
3 In astronomy
4 In religion
5 In popular culture
5.1 In The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
5.2 In other literature
5.3 In music
5.4 In television and film
5.5 In video games
5.6 In sports
6 In technology
7 In other fields
8 Historical years
9 References
9.1 Footnotes
[edit]
In mathematics
Forty-two is an abundant number; its factorization 2 · 3 · 7 makes it the second sphenic number and also the second of the form { 2 · 3 · r }. As with all sphenic numbers of this form, the aliquot sum is abundant by 12. 42 is also the second sphenic number to be bracketed by twin primes; 30 also rests between two primes. 42 has a 14 member aliquot sequence 42, 54, 66, 78, 90, 144, 259, 45, 33, 15, 9, 4, 3, 1, 0 and is itself part of the aliquot sequence commencing with the first sphenic number 30. Further, 42 is the 10th member of the 3-aliquot tree.
42 is the product of the first three terms of Sylvester's sequence; like the first four such numbers it is also a primary pseudoperfect number.
It is the sum of the totient function for the first eleven integers.
It is a Catalan number. Consequently, 42 is the number of noncrossing partitions of a set of five elements, the number of triangulations of a heptagon, the number of rooted ordered binary trees with six leaves, the number of ways in which five pairs of nested parentheses can be arranged, etc.
It is the reciprocal of a Bernoulli number.
It is conjectured to be the scaling factor in the leading order term of the "sixth moment of the Riemann zeta function". In particular, Conrey & Ghosh have conjectured
where the infinite product is over all prime numbers, p.[1][2]
It is a pronic number, and the third pentadecagonal number. It is a meandric number and an open meandric number.
Since the greatest prime factor of 422 + 1 = 1765 is 353 and thus more than 42 twice, 42 is a Størmer number.
42 is a perfect score on the USA Math Olympiad (USAMO)[3] and International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO).[4]
In base 10, this number is a Harshad number and a self number, while it is a repdigit in base 4 (as 222).
The eight digits of pi beginning from 242,422 places after the decimal point are 42424242.
Given 27 same-size cubes whose nominal values progress from 1 to 27, a 3×3×3 "magic cube" can be constructed such that every row, column, and corridor, and every diagonal passing through the center, comprises 3 cubes whose sum of values is 42.
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In science
The atomic number of molybdenum.
The angle in degrees for which a rainbow appears.
In 1965, mathematician Paul Cooper theorized that the fastest, most efficient way to travel across continents would be to bore a straight hollow tube directly through the Earth, connecting a set of antipodes, evacuate it (remove the air), and then just fall through. The first half of the journey consists of free-fall acceleration, while the second half consists of an exactly equal deceleration. The time for such a journey works out to be 42 minutes. Remarkably, even if the tube does not pass through the exact center of the Earth, the time for a journey powered entirely by gravity always works out to be 42 minutes, as long as the tube remains friction-free, as while gravity's force would be lessened, so would the distance traveled at an equal rate.[5][6] The same idea was proposed by Lewis Carroll in Sylvie and Bruno, volume 2, chapter 7, without calculation.
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In astronomy
Messier object M42, a magnitude 5.0 diffuse nebula in the constellation Orion, also known as the Orion Nebula
The New General Catalogue object NGC 42, a spiral galaxy in the constellation Pegasus
In January 2005, Asteroid 2001 DA42 was given the name Asteroid Douglasadams, named for the author Douglas Adams who popularized the number 42 and died in 2001. With even his initials in the provisional designation, Brian G. Marsden, the director of the Minor Planet Center and the secretary for the naming committee, said, "This was sort of made for him, wasn't it?"
[edit]
In religion
The number 42 appears in various contexts in Christianity. There are 42 generations (names) in the Gospel of Matthew's version of the Genealogy of Jesus; it is prophesied that for 42 months the Beast will hold dominion over the Earth (Revelation 13:5); 42 men of Beth-azmaveth were counted in the census of men of Israel upon return from exile (Ezra 2:24); God sent bears to maul 42 of the youths who mock Elisha for his baldness (2 Kings 2:23), King Saul reigned over Israel 42 years (1 Samuel 13:1); etc.
42 also occurs in other religions. There are 42 principles of Ma'at, the Ancient Egyptian personification of physical and moral law, order, and truth. In the judgement scene described in the Egyptian and the Book of the Coming/Going Forth by Day (the Book of the Dead (which evolved from the Coffin Texts and the Pyramid Texts)), there are 42 Gods and Goddesses of Egypt, personifying the principles of Ma'at, who ask questions of the departed, while Thoth records the answers, and the deceased's heart is weighed against the feather of Truth (Ma'at). These 42 correspond to the 42 Nomes (Governmental Units) of Egypt. If the departed successfully answers all 42, s/he becomes an Osiris.
In Judaism, the number (in the Babylonian Talmud, compiled 375 AD to 499 AD) of the "Forty-Two Lettered Name" ascribed to God. Rab (or Rabhs), a 3rd century source in the Talmud stated "The Forty-Two Lettered Name is entrusted only to him who is pious, meek, middle-aged, free from bad temper, sober, and not insistent on his rights". [Source: Talmud Kidduschin 71a, Translated by Rabbi Dr. I. Epstein]. Maimonides felt that the original Talmudic Forty-Two Lettered Name was perhaps composed of several combined divine names [Maimonides "Moreh"]. The apparently unpronouncable Tetragrammaton provides the backdrop from the Twelve-Lettered Name and the Forty-Two Lettered Name of the Talmud.
42 is the number with which God creates the Universe in Kabalistic tradition. In Kabbalah, the most significant name is that of the En Sof (also known as "Ein Sof", "Infinite" or "Endless"), who is above the Sefirot (sometimes spelled "Sephirot").[7] The Forty-Two-Lettered Name contains four combined names which are spelled in Hebrew letters (spelled in letters = 42 letters), which is the name of Azilut (or "Atziluth" "Animation"). While there are obvious links between the Forty-Two Lettered Name of the Babylonian Talmud (see further up this page) and the Kabbalah's Forty-Two Lettered Name, they are probably not identical due to the Kabbalah's emphasis on numbers. The Kabbalah also contains a Forty-Five Lettered Name and a Seventy-Two Lettered Name.
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In popular culture
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In The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Many occurrences of the number 42 in pop culture can be attributed as an homage to Douglas Adams' book The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, in which the number 42 is The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything, as calculated by an enormous supercomputer over a period of 7.5 million years. According to the fifth Hitchhiker volume, Mostly Harmless, 42 is the location of Stavromula Beta. Thus, 42 may be the world's longest written riddle, since the riddle of the question to the answer was raised in the first volume, and not answered until the final page of the fifth, and then passes unnoticed by the story's ever-bumbling characters. Adams later (1994) created the 42 Puzzle, a game based on the number 42.
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In other literature
The first book to be printed with movable type, the Gutenberg Bible, is also known as the '42-line Bible', after the number of lines of print on each page.
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In music
Level 42 is an English pop/rock band.
"42" is one of the tracks on Coldplay's 2008 album Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends.
Strigaskór nr. 42 is an Icelandic band
42 is the title of a song by Philadelphia based jam/electronica band The Disco Biscuits
"Forty-Two" is the title of a song from The Afters 'Never Going Back To OK' album, released February 26, 2008.
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In television and film
The Kumars at No. 42 television series. In 2003, Sanjeev Bhaskar hosted a BBC show nominating The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy as Britain's Best Loved Book.
42 is one of The Numbers - 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42 - featured in Lost.
A made for TV movie 42: Forty Two Up - an installment in a series of documentaries wherein the director revisits the same group of British-born individuals every 7 years.[8]
42 is an episode of Doctor Who, set in real time lasting approximately 42 minutes.
42 is the name of Buzz Lightyear's space ship from Pixar's animated science fiction series Buzz Lightyear of Star Command.
In an episode of "House M.D" Dr. House claims that his favorite number is 42.
In A Clockwork Orange Alex browses through records in a record store and we see a record of the, at this time fictional, band Level 42.
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In video games
42 Entertainment is the company responsible for several alternate reality games, including I Love Bees and Year Zero.
In the PC game, Spore, reaching the center of the galaxy yields a powerful item known as the "Staff of Life" which has a limited 42 uses. It also grants the player an achievement titled "42".
In the 2008 game Fable II, the last in a series of ancient artifacts the player can find says "Now just think of the number 42."
101010 (42 in Binary) is an open-source Java game.
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In sports
Jackie Robinson in his now-retired number 42 jersey.
The jersey number of Jackie Robinson, which is the only number retired by all Major League Baseball teams. Although the number was retired in 1997, the last professional baseball player to wear number 42, Mariano Rivera of the New York Yankees, is currently still using it.
The jersey number of football Hall of Famer, Ronnie Lott, safety for the San Francisco 49ers who retired his jersey number in 2003.
The jersey number of Pat Tillman, which was retired on November 13, 2004 by Arizona State University.
The number of laws of cricket.
The number on Lee Petty's racing car when he raced in NASCAR. [9]
The number of hockey player, Kyle Wellwood who presently plays for the Vancouver Canucks. (NHL)
The number of Juan Pablo Montoya's race car in the Nascar Sprint Cup Series.
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In technology
42 is a common magic number used by programmers:
In the TIFF image file format, the second 16-bit word of every file is 42, which is used together with the first word to indicate byte order.
In the reiser4 file system, 42 is the inode number of the root directory.
The GNU C Library, a set of standard routines available for use in computer programming, contains a function—memfrob()—which performs an XOR combination of a given variable and the binary pattern 00101010 (42) as an XOR cipher.
42 is the result given by the web search engines Google and Wolfram Alpha when the query "the answer to life the universe and everything" is entered as a search.
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In other fields
Tower 42 is a skyscraper in the City of London, formerly known as the NatWest Tower.
The name of a Texan trick-taking game played with dominoes (see 42 (dominoes)).
In New York City, 42nd Street is a main and very popular two-way thoroughfare. Landmarks on it include the Chrysler Building, Grand Central Station, the main branch of the New York Public Library, and Times Square. The New York City street is also the setting for a movie by the same name (which also gave fame to its eponymous title song), and which later inspired a musical adaptation, 42nd Street.
Post by: kakaboy on August 04, 2009, 01:14:00 AM
QUOTE(NoZart @ Aug 4 2009, 04:54 PM)
wow. i am not an "installer", i do everything just for fun and just for me. But what is going on here atm sucks on many different levels:
1: the argument "making money of the works of others" gets thrown around a lot here. Hm. So all you Installers write your own firmwares to flash? Do you not profit of the work of others? And the argument "but i do it for people who are happy to pay because they are too lazy/stupid to do it themselves" just adds to the stupidity:
Now YOU installers are the guys who are too lazy/stupid to come up with a solution, so you have to pay. Period.
2: "everything should be free": welcome to the real world, kiddo. Get a job and pay for what you want, stop bitching.
3: Bitching about the prize: as i see it, 42 Bucks is a pretty sweet deal, considering ONE game costs 60 bucks.
4: Iriez, if you talk about legal circumstances, at least stay true. Telling people someone goes to Prison FOR LIFE is just BS. I asked my lawyer about that and in this field its 2-5 years or a fine of 20.000 . This is Austrian Law, but i bet my sweet metallic ass that the other countries have set up somehow similar fines and dont deviate too much from that.
5: Foundmy.com beeing scammers: if you (legally) hazy guys dont trust other (legally) hazy guys, thats healthy crime. But bitching about it is just not.
6: foundmy store is insecure: doesnt matter anyway. MS just waits a few months and then will unleash the dogs. They get a big bunch of drivekeys without any big sweat and swing the banhammer to boost the console sales again. And thats exactly why i will not be using the service. No key leaves my house. The danger of it coming somehow into another box or MS hands is just too high. And no argument will change that for me.
7: If you insist on keeping your small businesses you have to adapt. Patch only drives you can patch, diss the new liteon. Advise your customers on how to read the labels and get boxes with patchable drives or use ebay to get used boxes and fix them up. You even might help your customers save a few bucks on their purchase and thats always nice. Or even better, work on their behalf, get a workable xbox in their name and patch it.
To all the guys doing it only for themselves: is it really that hard to get a workable xbox for you? back when Benq was unhackable i had absolutely no problem getting an xbox with a sammy. Read up on whats possible for free and then buy accordingly. Dont buy xboxes with yet unhacked drives, and if you get one unpatchable by accident, resell it.
Wise words ole' son... Im hanging on to my hackable liteon 360's and we will see the cost of second hand box'x go up
Post by: saso on August 04, 2009, 02:26:00 AM
i think they try to collect money ASAP b4 they going down
u ppl just wait their time will end SOON
Post by: ZakMcRofl on August 04, 2009, 02:34:00 AM
If you ask me, Team HyperX made the breakthrough and figured that it would be a foolproof way to grab some money. I would be fine with that if they
1) were honest about it
2) would charge a realistic fee like 5-10$
Setting up this shop (or working out a deal with them) and pretending that its unrelated is a slap in the face of this community. And the way Iriez defends it is ridiculous.
Scared to release a crack for encryption? You gotta be kidding me, there's so many ways to leak a file anonymously: upload at internet cafe, search for open wifi, use Tor
Iriez: the fact that you are defending these scamers and their ridiculously high price, combined with claiming that there will never be a free solution, is equal to admitting you're in the same boat with them.
You haven't even denied it when the accusation came up.
Again, making money off of hard work is fine, but at least be honest about it.
EDIT: People may think "if they are charging money now, why didn't they charge for ixtreme". Simple: because their first customer would have spread it to the world. I am deeply saddened about this sellout and I really hope I am wrong about this.
This post has been edited by ZakMcRofl: Aug 4 2009, 09:35 AM
Post by: sancho_panza on August 04, 2009, 02:38:00 AM
QUOTE(saso @ Aug 4 2009, 10:26 AM)
i am wondering why some ppl here try to push wholesale license 4 this scam
i think they try to collect money ASAP b4 they going down
u ppl just wait their time will end SOON
I don't think, reading the thread. Mr Iriez is saying the team will not release any decrypting tool for free, and it seem this foundmy is somewhat related to the team.
Post by: Mjollnir on August 04, 2009, 02:56:00 AM
Post by: Klutsh on August 04, 2009, 03:10:00 AM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 06:28 AM)
ixtreme to come by the end of this week in response.
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 3 2009, 03:12 PM)
So I hate to break it to everyone, but its looking like this will be the only solution.
Can you please make your mind up...
This post has been edited by Klutsh: Aug 4 2009, 10:10 AM
Post by: shai12 on August 04, 2009, 03:11:00 AM
QUOTE(Mjollnir @ Aug 4 2009, 08:56 AM)
I am sure most of the community has no qualms with paying, (within reasonable limits) but this entire setup is just dodgy and shift. If Team Hyper X needed money to continue their work and asked people to 'contribute', we have absolutely no problems. In fact, I rather my money go straight to the devs.
Well said ,you got my vote there and the money should go to the devs
Post by: hetster on August 04, 2009, 03:12:00 AM
iriez can make an ixtreme for the new lite-on but you need the key to inject into it..you cant use ixtreme without the key obtained from the dodgy site..and there is formed a beautiful profitable partnership..
This post has been edited by hetster: Aug 4 2009, 10:13 AM
Post by: slimgrip on August 04, 2009, 03:21:00 AM
Now we are told this "solution" will never be released ironically at the same time as a paid solution hits the market?
This post has been edited by slimgrip: Aug 4 2009, 10:28 AM
Post by: JeeBoy on August 04, 2009, 03:21:00 AM
Where is C4EVA??
Post by: hetster on August 04, 2009, 03:30:00 AM
QUOTE(JeeBoy @ Aug 4 2009, 10:21 AM)
Just a simpel question.
Where is C4EVA??
he's busy sorting out the spelling mistakes on front of his shiny new shop foundmy.com
Post by: Tron[ADS] on August 04, 2009, 03:34:00 AM
Yes, $42 is expensive, and I hope it will come down a bit pretty soon....but until then, Im just passing the fee on, so it makes no odds to me.
Post by: dalagr on August 04, 2009, 03:41:00 AM
I would however prefer to donate to team hYper X for all the stuff they have given the scene previously so dont pay $42 for the key give that $42 to thx.
while typing this post i have realised why its $42 simples 4 is on the same key as the $ sign lol
Post by: JeeBoy on August 04, 2009, 03:46:00 AM
Guess then that this scene is dead.
Post by: xbox360sexual on August 04, 2009, 03:50:00 AM
Post by: antz1970 on August 04, 2009, 04:00:00 AM
yeah this whole thing sounds like THX are trying to make some money , but in all honesty , why shouldnt they? , i would be interested to find out just how much THX/jungle team made out of donations , i bet it wont amount to much, hence why they are maybe trying another route , after all the last liteon drive took a hell of a lot of someones money to hack , maybe they finally decided they wanted a return.
dont get me wrong , im not saying i will use foundmy but if a more secure way of doing it could be found at a slightly lower price , then i would be all for it , but cmon guys remember the old saying "dont bite the hand that feeds you" and that seems to be what is happening in this thread and i find it sad to be honest, if i was in THX and was working on a FREE way to do this , i would see all the hating in this thread and just think to myself , whats the point , they are a bunch of ungrateful f**kers.
stop hating on the people who have already provided way more than they ever needed to. without all this free work by various people/teams , we would not have the excellent jungleflasher
/flame away
Post by: Martinchris23 on August 04, 2009, 04:06:00 AM
Therefore, since the drives are being manufactured from the same vendor as the 7xxxx series, it's safe to assume the decrypt key has surfaced from the same 'source'.
THX made it no secret as to how hard it was to decrypt the 7xxxx series drive, so is it not just possible it's the same person who's managed to decrypt the 83850c? Maybe they've decided to go it alone and make some money out of it. I'm certainly not going to argue against this - if someone wants to charge for a service, that's their perogative. You don't have to buy into it.
Just to clarify - releasing the decrpyt algorithm would be 'very bad' for the scene. Although it would have been used to create the iXtreme firmware, it's not in the public domain. The end product is, which is not the same at all. The 83850c has a totally encrypted firmware and unless someone's willing to put their head on the block by releasing this, I can't see any other way around this. You also forget that if it *is* the same person as before, they could jeopardise their own job and any future revisions would be unhackable FULL STOP.
Post by: hetster on August 04, 2009, 04:12:00 AM
if THX would have come out right and said look we NEED donations to carry on the work or NEED donations to crack the new lite-on they would have gotten WAY WAY more cash than this dodgy web site is going to bring them. add to that the respect the team will lose if there are definate links made between them and foundmy.com. a respect to be honest they will probably struggle to get back from.
had the team asked for the donations hell they would have probably made enough to release the encryption and live underground in a country of their choosing like kings for the rest of their lives. there is nothing wrong with asking for money but there is everything wrong with TELLING people they MUST pay.
just look at this thread. look how the tide has turned. from whichever standpoint you want to look at this whole thread from eg hacker / team / scene / modder / reseller / end user i dont care who you are you must be able to feel that SOMETHING has changed. the scene is about to die. its been taken out of the hands of the normal person on the street and been given to organisations.
and whatever ireiez thinks is legal and what isnt i do know that terrorism laws can be bent so badly as to incorporate everything they shouldnt. if they think they are safe in canada becuase of certain laws etc they should think again. all that money passing through 1 illegal operation, man will those terrorism police have a field day lol..
i dont know where in the spectrum above i fall but what i do know is i feel very sad that greed has become a part of the scene i love so much :-( and i sense the change really badly.
Post by: sancho_panza on August 04, 2009, 04:13:00 AM
QUOTE(slimgrip @ Aug 4 2009, 11:21 AM)
What puzzles me is we have been reading for the last few weeks that the THX solution would be released when the 83850c became the dominant drive on the market.
Now we are told this "solution" will never be released ironically at the same time as a paid solution hits the market?
Or perhaps THIS is that solution, and foundmy is just that famous "additional process" Iriez spoke few days ago about.
Post by: ps2moduk on August 04, 2009, 04:24:00 AM
The process seems to be simple enough, you extract the information from the drive, send in the info and it will be run through some software and your info will be sent back so you can flash your drive. So not exactly a long process for the seller. Imagine how many keys another site could sell in a day if the price was just $5 for example.
Maybe that is the long term plan by the people behind it.
At the end of the day the only people who will be paying the extra are the end users and not the modders as they will just add the extra cost onto the customer.
Post by: harrytasker on August 04, 2009, 04:28:00 AM
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 4 2009, 12:13 PM)
Or perhaps THIS is that solution, and foundmy is just that famous "additional process" Iriez spoke few days ago about.
I don't mind paying at all, but how long can ONE shop maintain releasing the keys for this solution.
Sooner or later this shop will go down and others will have to take over.
If other shops will also start supplying this solution, i doubt it would be any cheaper though, look at all the prices for CK3 kits etc. they are priced almost the same everywhere.
Anyway good to here there IS at least a solution for these drives
Post by: sancho_panza on August 04, 2009, 04:30:00 AM
QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 4 2009, 12:12 PM)
i bet THX didnt make all that much money from donations but thats becuase most users think they get enough. ignorance is bliss as they say.
if THX would have come out right and said look we NEED donations to carry on the work or NEED donations to crack the new lite-on they would have gotten WAY WAY more cash than this dodgy web site is going to bring them. add to that the respect the team will lose if there are definate links made between them and foundmy.com. a respect to be honest they will probably struggle to get back from.
had the team asked for the donations hell they would have probably made enough to release the encryption and live underground in a country of their choosing like kings for the rest of their lives. there is nothing wrong with asking for money but there is everything wrong with TELLING people they MUST pay.
Maybe in an ideal world.
If they'd ask for donation before releasing, people wouldn't have had the motivation to donate (apart trust in the team for the solution to actually come); if they'd ask for donation after releasing, many people just would have profited (as always) from that without donate nothing.
What are the numbers?
Do you think a so called "modder", also the more "loyalty-oriented" (towards the team) modder is donating a percentage of all their mods? I simply do not think. Maybe they are donating something once or twice. I can second that the price is a bit high. To be honest I think this will be enough too high for end users and una-tantum users, "modders" will have got wholesale prices.
QUOTE(harrytasker @ Aug 4 2009, 12:28 PM)
I don't mind paying at all, but how long can ONE shop maintain releasing the keys for this solution.
Sooner or later this shop will go down and others will have to take over.
If other shops will also start supplying this solution, i doubt it would be any cheaper though, look at all the prices for CK3 kits etc. they are priced almost the same everywhere.
Anyway good to here there IS at least a solution for these drives
Good point. Maybe they will be just not so much greedy, they will keep the site open a bit (just to make some bucks) and then close it and magically a torrent-like solution will come up...
Post by: ps2moduk on August 04, 2009, 04:34:00 AM
QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 4 2009, 11:12 AM)
the scene is about to die. its been taken out of the hands of the normal person on the street and been given to organisations.
The scene was in the hands of the organisations in the original xbox days when you needed a modchip to run anything, and that thrived. Same with the ps2 scene.
Just because people have had it free for so long, they seem to forget it was never free before.
PSX needed a chip
PS2 needed a chip
Xbox Needed a chip
Wii needed a chip
the list goes on, but you get the idea.
Lets face it there really is not a scene on the 360, the firmware hacks do very little apart from allow you to play 'backups' there is no homebrew scene etc.
We have been spoilt in recent years.
Post by: DuggyUK on August 04, 2009, 04:36:00 AM
QUOTE(Zoneout @ Aug 3 2009, 05:29 PM)
It's nothing more than a cop-out.
The fact would be, the foundmy.com guy which is a one-man business, paid Team Hypher X mega bucks not to release the solution but for himself.
Genius, all the world's business to himself. But also selfish in my eyes
I REALLY hope this is not true (i knows its speculation only). I've donated a decent amount to help with their efforts and show my appreciation. Doing this would be a serious slap in the face for people like me. Then again, if more of the wining girls on here donated (because they can not because they have to) then perhaps Team HyperX might feel more motivated to work on this?
Post by: hetster on August 04, 2009, 04:39:00 AM
also a chip is a physical thing it costs money to make. you have something in your hands that you paid for. this you HAVE to pay for becuase someone knows something no-one else does. you do all the hard work while he sits back and probably lets the software do it automaticaly and charges you 3 times the amount you would lol..
Post by: shai12 on August 04, 2009, 04:40:00 AM
QUOTE(ps2moduk @ Aug 4 2009, 10:34 AM)
The scene was in the hands of the organisations in the original xbox days when you needed a modchip to run anything, and that thrived. Same with the ps2 scene.
Just because people have had it free for so long, they seem to forget it was never free before.
PSX needed a chip
PS2 needed a chip
Xbox Needed a chip
Wii needed a chip
the list goes on, but you get the idea.
Lets face it there really is not a scene on the 360, the firmware hacks do very little apart from allow you to play 'backups' there is no homebrew scene etc.
We have been spoilt in recent years.
Ah the hardware side of things was never been free but the software has been nothing has changed until now
Post by: antz1970 on August 04, 2009, 04:46:00 AM
Post by: hetster on August 04, 2009, 04:50:00 AM
QUOTE(antz1970 @ Aug 4 2009, 11:46 AM)
is it not possible that even tho a "free" key extraction is not possible at the moment , that there may be a way of flashing the new ixtreme firmware to the new liteon drives using a patching method? (a la hitachi) simply patching around the key/inquiry/identify info ,i know that the old liteon drives had to be blank before writing to them , but maybe things have moved on a bit from then? ,just thinking out loud
it would need to be blank to flash but you forgot the main point of the argument.
that will never happen becuase (please dont flame me) that would make it *gasp* *gulp* *should i say it* *yes i'll say it* FREE!! *arrgghh* *i said the F word* *i feel diiirty*
ahh greed is a wonderful thing.
its a good thing i have a forum to post in otherwise i'd be bored by now with not having any 360's to flash lol
This post has been edited by hetster: Aug 4 2009, 11:53 AM
Post by: garyopa on August 04, 2009, 04:56:00 AM
QUOTE(JeeBoy @ Aug 4 2009, 05:46 AM)
OMG!!! is he into this also??
Guess then that this scene is dead.
i am not into this one bit, but because of my legal problems last year, I have been pulled out of the loop from the various "scene" members, so I had no clue this was coming and trust me it suprized me just as much as everyone else.
I don't like the price, and I don't like the idea of an existing shop offering the service, which has not even protected his "whois" info, and being a fellow canadian and having seen the stupid laws we have here throwed at me at all angles and we don't even have the DMCA yet (but it is coming this fall for sure), I can forsee many problems coming up soon for Terry and hope he is saving everybuck from this for his lawyers.
It would have been better to setup a new site, with a new name, and much lower price, if this was the only way to release the info, because of the legal problems of releasing the info of how the encryption works.
Post by: Zoneout on August 04, 2009, 04:59:00 AM
1. Improve web coding, and use a better e-commerce software if you can, the website is armateurish and dodgy at best.
2. The process to be automated, not one guy (Terry) manually inputting the .bin files from customers and click ok to output the key (What if you want the key right now and it's not in his working hours? (Applies to different timezones) and would help modders heaps when doing plenty of consoles at a time.
3. Make it a reasonable price, 30 USD or lower
Then you got a good system going (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I agree that Team Hypher X deserves good money as a reward, since they worked hard for so long to provide free $0 firmwares for us to leech off, think about it.
This post has been edited by Zoneout: Aug 4 2009, 12:05 PM
Post by: CeNTauR2 on August 04, 2009, 05:09:00 AM
QUOTE
There are ways to improve the L-O-83 Key extraction service:
1. Improve web coding, and use a better e-commerce software if you can, the website is armateurish and dodgy at best.
2. The process to be automated, not one guy (Terry) manually inputting the .bin files from customers and click ok to output the key (What if you want the key right now and it's not in his working hours? (Applies to different timezones) and would help modders heaps when doing plenty of consoles at a time.
3. Make it a reasonable price, 30 USD or lower
Then you got a good system going smile.gif
1. Improve web coding, and use a better e-commerce software if you can, the website is armateurish and dodgy at best.
2. The process to be automated, not one guy (Terry) manually inputting the .bin files from customers and click ok to output the key (What if you want the key right now and it's not in his working hours? (Applies to different timezones) and would help modders heaps when doing plenty of consoles at a time.
3. Make it a reasonable price, 30 USD or lower
Then you got a good system going smile.gif
Another nice idea would be a credit system where you buy like for example 100 credits
using Paypal and then every usage of Jungle Flasher deduces from your credits.
I am not happy with the idea of sending sensitive data to some shop abroad.
Post by: idog on August 04, 2009, 05:10:00 AM
QUOTE(Zoneout @ Aug 4 2009, 12:59 PM)
There are ways to improve the L-O-83 Key extraction service:
1. Improve web coding, and use a better e-commerce software if you can, the website is armateurish and dodgy at best.
2. The process to be automated, not one guy (Terry) manually inputting the key and click ok to output the key (What if you want the key right now and it's not in his working hours? (Applies to different timezones) and would help modders heaps when doing plenty of consoles at a time.
Although Iriez has yet to respond to the accusations made (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=689447&st=105# if you feel like it
), I agree with Zoneout.Just create a separate website with login/password system where you can upgrade your account via paypal.
Once logged in, you upload your bin file and the key is extracted in realtime by the server. You are then offered a downloadlink and when you click it, your account is credited.
At all times can you add credits to your account via paypal (be it 1, 5, 10, 50 or more, with appropriate pricing).
Now host this site in some weirdo country/island and you're safe.
I'm willing to help in this setup for a small percentage of the profit.. (just kidding (am willing to help, but no profit needed, see this as my contribution to the 'scene'
). I actually built something similar (but without the paypal, login part, since it was free of course) in the spoof benq to samsung era and hosted it for free if some of you can recall.edit : spelling
Post by: celltoolz on August 04, 2009, 05:17:00 AM
. Keep up the good work and don't give up any secrets no matter how gay everyone is being. It's every Man/Modder for themselves. If it wasn't for you and your team we would have never gotten this far in the first place. Now Everybody else, if you want a hacked firmware or the ability to decrypt this new firmware and pull the key yourself then write the software, nobody is stopping you, the resources are out there so start reading. The Business life is a bitch but this is how this earth spins. I say monopolize as much as you can, while you can. Make as much money as possible and if they don't like it tell them they're burnt. Personally I don't even play the Xbox or any console for that matter (i'd rather go snowboarding or write software (seriously)
). I just like learning something new about Electronic Software/Hardware & Design/ Security and earning some $$ while doing it. Also the encryption algorithm on this liteon drive is not pretty, i say good luck to anybody trying to decrypt it (i'm sure it will happen just not anytime soon). And quite frankly i am surprised that THX even got it this fast in the first place, Congratz. One last thing quit complaining it just makes you fatter, and Thanks to all the Teams for helping me make some extra cash$$ on the side.
ps. If you really wanted to release the decrypt algo without getting caught just get yourself a flashed SB5101 with a spoofed MAC Address (most people here wont even know what this is) and don't brand any title/team to the decryption software. Then UPLOAD to the NET, Untraceable I think So. Would I do it and lose out on all that money? Hell No.
Now Boys and Girls, FLAME ON (Fantastic 4 Style) and u won't be hearing from me for another year or two so do your best.
-CellToolz
Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on August 04, 2009, 05:20:00 AM
i am modder and it wont effect me like a lot of modders before me have said the price will be passed onto the customer.
i just think that they should of either charged in the beginning and this is where they gone wrong.perhaps they can make up the rules as they go along but,people can change their judgement just the same.
but,one thing remains,microsoft,they got more bucks per pound and i think this will be the end of a lot of people and things.
congrats terry and thx you just jumped up to no1 wanted on micros0fts hit list.i cant wait to read all the comments when terry is in the s**t and when we hear how thx members got raided.
you distribute your s**t,that way the world is flooded to a point where they cant focus.
you wont have an home,family,hell you probably wont even have a 360.you might be banned from ever going near a 360 for rest of your life.
well i raise some
to you cos the site dont have alcohol smiley and wish you all the luck with the feds etc.
Post by: Perkele on August 04, 2009, 05:27:00 AM
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 4 2009, 07:12 AM)
Just for reference, maybe someone smarter than me will find an hidden meaning of this "42" thing, Iriez said, as far as -i remember, it's got a precise meaning:
It's easy, u$42 = ca$45
BTW, I emailed them about their wholesale prices (no I'm not interested) and got this message:
$28 on 100pcs, $33.00 on 50 pieces, payment has to be made up front.
We are working automated, once processed its less than 5mins for you to have your key.
u$28 = ca$30
u$33 = ca$35
Is there anyone willing to pay U$2800 up front when there is a possibility of a free program (maybe unlikely, since the persons that got the solution already sold out to a shady shop) or when there's a possibility this shop gets closed down before you can use up all bought keys?
This post has been edited by Perkele: Aug 4 2009, 12:38 PM
Post by: Zoneout on August 04, 2009, 05:35:00 AM
So many possibilities for things to go wrong, so I'd always just have max 2-3 at a time.
- Zoneout
This post has been edited by Zoneout: Aug 4 2009, 12:37 PM
Post by: halleluia on August 04, 2009, 05:35:00 AM
Post by: Zoneout on August 04, 2009, 05:37:00 AM
QUOTE(halleluia @ Aug 4 2009, 09:35 PM)
Cant we retrieve the key via normal spear/probe method?
Didn't even bother to read the thread?
Simple answer is no. Happy?
Post by: JeeBoy on August 04, 2009, 05:39:00 AM
QUOTE(garyopa @ Aug 4 2009, 11:56 AM)
i am not into this one bit, but because of my legal problems last year, I have been pulled out of the loop from the various "scene" members, so I had no clue this was coming and trust me it suprized me just as much as everyone else.
I don't like the price, and I don't like the idea of an existing shop offering the service, which has not even protected his "whois" info, and being a fellow canadian and having seen the stupid laws we have here throwed at me at all angles and we don't even have the DMCA yet (but it is coming this fall for sure), I can forsee many problems coming up soon for Terry and hope he is saving everybuck from this for his lawyers.
It would have been better to setup a new site, with a new name, and much lower price, if this was the only way to release the info, because of the legal problems of releasing the info of how the encryption works.
Sorry I didnt mean you, I meant C4EVA, I thought that Foundmy and THX and C4EVA were all different teams/individuals but It now seems they are all connected and somehow trying to make som $$$ how come nobody says that MS are worth they $$$ they make, after all they build the XBOX360 for us, how come nobody buys games? If THX are worth all the $$$ they can get cause of the good job they done so far, then why shouldnt MS be.
Post by: bestfree on August 04, 2009, 05:50:00 AM
I agree pay 42$ for every key, but where is guarentee that you send me my key? That key be correct? I understand that software cant make mistake, but what about humans, if every key decrypted and send manually?
I think all understands what happened if key be wrond and we can know about this only after reflashind drive.
And of cours you need more payment options for this, I can use only Western Union option.
QUOTE
Just create a separate website with login/password system where you can upgrade your account via paypal.
Once logged in, you upload your bin file and the key is extracted in realtime by the server. You are then offered a downloadlink and when you click it, your account is credited.
At all times can you add credits to your account via paypal (be it 1, 5, 10, 50 or more, with appropriate pricing).
Now host this site in some weirdo country/island and you're safe.
Once logged in, you upload your bin file and the key is extracted in realtime by the server. You are then offered a downloadlink and when you click it, your account is credited.
At all times can you add credits to your account via paypal (be it 1, 5, 10, 50 or more, with appropriate pricing).
Now host this site in some weirdo country/island and you're safe.
It is best suggest.
This post has been edited by bestfree: Aug 4 2009, 12:50 PM
Post by: RRODXbox on August 04, 2009, 05:54:00 AM
Makes sense now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Also i'm wondering, once flashed will we still be able to get the key via dummy from Ixtreme?
This post has been edited by RRODXbox: Aug 4 2009, 12:54 PM
Post by: Zoneout on August 04, 2009, 05:55:00 AM
Post by: hetster on August 04, 2009, 05:59:00 AM
Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on August 04, 2009, 06:00:00 AM
QUOTE(Perkele @ Aug 4 2009, 12:27 PM)
It's easy, u$42 = ca$45
BTW, I emailed them about their wholesale prices (no I'm not interested) and got this message:
$28 on 100pcs, $33.00 on 50 pieces, payment has to be made up front.
We are working automated, once processed its less than 5mins for you to have your key.
u$28 = ca$30
u$33 = ca$35
under normal circumstances you would be waiting till more near crimbo for a response to your email.see how quick you got the response,was it fast?
thats what happens when you get $42 or thousands for a simple key,using a small (if efficient) app (whatever)
now theres bucks to make,i wander what people will do cos they want money refunds that he owes them.
he will backstab thx for sure,this is where all their s**t will blow up on them all the parties involved will go down for sure if they make too many false moves,this is the first one,strike 1!
Post by: halo2jumper on August 04, 2009, 06:05:00 AM
QUOTE(Zoneout @ Aug 4 2009, 01:55 PM)
Wow and the next shop without paypal option -.-*
WTF? 50 bucks? cmon and the next shop with this "service" want 60$? or more?
How much cost an license for this programm/tool,Iriez?
Post by: popemic on August 04, 2009, 06:05:00 AM
i can not get it and don't how to do it.
i followed all the steps but i get an error, can anyone put a more detailed tutorial for this?
Thanks.
Post by: hetster on August 04, 2009, 06:10:00 AM
QUOTE(popemic @ Aug 4 2009, 01:05 PM)
hi, can anyoane tell me how to get the .bin
i can not get it and don't how to do it.
i followed all the steps but i get an error, can anyone put a more detailed tutorial for this?
Thanks.
iriez might. we wouldnt want him missing out on another $42 lol
i cant believe someone is actualy going to try this :-s
Post by: popemic on August 04, 2009, 06:14:00 AM
QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 4 2009, 03:10 PM)
iriez might. we wouldnt want him missing out on another $42 lol
i cant believe someone is actualy going to try this :-s
AVERAGE PRICE FOR A GAME IS 60 $ SO 42$ IS JUST FINE FOR ME. I DO NOT WANT TO "SCRATCH MY ORIGINALS"
Post by: SatanUk on August 04, 2009, 06:17:00 AM
QUOTE(Zoneout @ Aug 4 2009, 12:55 PM)
And he even has his home address listed on the site for microsoft to drop buy
Shipping & Returns
11 Princess Rd, Corio,Geelong,Australia,3214.
and a whois reveals that his so called workshop address is
Owner, Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact:
darryl norman (ID00351353)
shop 7a 171-181 moorabool st
geelong, Victoria 3214
AU
Phone: +61.352210551
Email: Email Masking [email protected]
lol this is crazy
I would not trust either foundmy or this redboxmodds << funny spelling maybe trying to copy another site by a similar name horible trashy looking sites.
Guys seriously be very careful giving out your cc info and addresses to very unsecure sites.
Post by: Perkele on August 04, 2009, 06:18:00 AM
QUOTE(saleem_hacks_360s @ Aug 4 2009, 12:00 PM)
under normal circumstances you would be waiting till more near crimbo for a response to your email.see how quick you got the response,was it fast?
It took him about 5 hours to answer, I wish he answered the emails asking for refunds that quick too.
QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 4 2009, 11:59 AM)
rofl another cheap ass shop in another country..i think terry may be monopolising the s**t shop brand worldwide rofl
A European shop is selling it too now, but for u$50: http://www.usbxtract...-processed.html
I guess these shops buy their keys from Terry and sell them on, making a profit in the run.
BTW that Australian shop is asking au$50, which is u$37.81.
Post by: Zoneout on August 04, 2009, 06:21:00 AM
QUOTE(halo2jumper @ Aug 4 2009, 10:05 PM)
Wow and the next shop without paypal option -.-*
WTF? 50 bucks? cmon and the next shop with this "service" want 60$? or more?
How much cost an license for this programm/tool,Iriez?
It's 50 AUD which translates to $42 USD, the same amount.
QUOTE(Perkele @ Aug 4 2009, 10:18 PM)
It took him about 5 hours to answer, I wish he answered the emails asking for refunds that quick too.
A European shop is selling it too now: http://www.usbxtract...-processed.html
Either these are shops that buy their keys from Terry and sell them for u$50 or the guys behind the program sold out to more than 1 shop and set a minimum selling price of u$42 (much like what Team Cyclops did with the CycloDS).
They are all friends with Terry Waskowich.
Post by: hetster on August 04, 2009, 06:21:00 AM
average price of bank charges for stolen credit card details £100
average price of reflashing of new xbox and the cycle starts again $42
look on your face as all these charges drop priceless
Post by: idog on August 04, 2009, 06:25:00 AM
QUOTE(Perkele @ Aug 4 2009, 02:18 PM)
It took him about 5 hours to answer, I wish he answered the emails asking for refunds that quick too.
A European shop is selling it too now: http://www.usbxtract...-processed.html
Either these are shops that buy their keys from Terry and sell them for u$50 or the guys behind the program sold out to more than 1 shop and set a minimum selling price of u$42 (much like what Team Cyclops did with the CycloDS).
At least these guys accept paypal.
QUOTE
We accept payments by paypal and bank transfer.
As we are USBXTRACTOR.EU this means we do only ship into the 27 states of the European Union. Namely they are:
Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, Germany, Estland, Finnland, France, Greece, Great-Britain, Ireland, Italy, Lettland, Lietuva, Luxemburg, Malta, Netherlands, Austria, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Sweden, Slovakia Republic, Slowenia, Spain, Czech Republic, Hungary, Cypress.
We do not ship to any other country than the above mentioned.
As we are USBXTRACTOR.EU this means we do only ship into the 27 states of the European Union. Namely they are:
Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, Germany, Estland, Finnland, France, Greece, Great-Britain, Ireland, Italy, Lettland, Lietuva, Luxemburg, Malta, Netherlands, Austria, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Sweden, Slovakia Republic, Slowenia, Spain, Czech Republic, Hungary, Cypress.
We do not ship to any other country than the above mentioned.
Makes me wonder though, it must be a small tool they bought from THX. No way in hell Foundmy would sell it to the competition. So THX is going all out and selling it to as many buyers as possible before the end of team THX is announced. And iXtreme for 83850c is never released. After 17 pages of messages on this topic where the comments were not friendly to say the least, it wouldn't surprise me one bit...
So, how's about it Iriez... How much for your tool ? Have a shop here in the Netherlands that would be interested..
Post by: mupet0000 on August 04, 2009, 06:34:00 AM
1. Sell the tool to lots of online shops, make money.
2. Wait a while.
3. Come out with the tool for free, look like the good guys and ask for donations.
I wish they just asked for donations in the first place, I'm sure lots of people would donate.
Post by: hetster on August 04, 2009, 06:34:00 AM
THX could have helped the situation by not releasing until prices came down. 99 times in 100 the key would be for injection into ixtreme the 1 in 100 would be to replace broken drives so THX would have had a certain control over 99% of terry's profits..
BUT it looks like the sold themselves out as well as us :-(
Post by: Martinchris23 on August 04, 2009, 06:36:00 AM
QUOTE
News Content:
we now have an agreement and arrangment in place with foundmy.com.
we are now taking care of all australian orders , to help with the work load and to reduce" shipping times and cost".
we now have an agreement and arrangment in place with foundmy.com.
we are now taking care of all australian orders , to help with the work load and to reduce" shipping times and cost".
Post by: DuggyUK on August 04, 2009, 06:37:00 AM
QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 4 2009, 01:34 PM)
my hope was that THX would have held back on the ixtreme as well which would make the key service almost useless. but as THX stands to make quite a bit of money i really cant see that happening..
THX could have helped the situation by not releasing until prices came down. 99 times in 100 the key would be for injection into ixtreme the 1 in 100 would be to replace broken drives so THX would have had a certain control over 99% of terry's profits..
BUT it looks like the sold themselves out as well as us :-(
if it IS THX then they should atleast offer a discount to those of us who DID donate to them not just mouthed off an a forum. We showed our loyalty by donating, _IF_ its them behind this then they should reciprocate, if its not then then there is nothing they can do, which is fair enough too.
Post by: ps2moduk on August 04, 2009, 06:37:00 AM
So they get to sell the service for the same $42 but in fact are only paying $33 to foundmy.
Post by: hetster on August 04, 2009, 06:38:00 AM
from the very same page
QUOTE(http://www.redboxmodds.com)
News Summary:
welcome foundmy.com.au customers
welcome foundmy.com.au customers
This post has been edited by hetster: Aug 4 2009, 01:39 PM
Post by: MicroShack on August 04, 2009, 06:44:00 AM
The other thing is if I buy 100 logs etc and they next day a free solution comes out which is possible , would I get a refund? I very much doubt it!
Post by: ps2moduk on August 04, 2009, 06:44:00 AM
QUOTE(Redboxmodds.com)
we now have an agreement and arrangment in place with foundmy.com.
we are now taking care of all australian orders , to help with the work load and to reduce" shipping times and cost".
so please feel free to browse the the site and if you like any thing you see you can email me ,or just register online to make a perchase !.
we are now taking care of all australian orders , to help with the work load and to reduce" shipping times and cost".
so please feel free to browse the the site and if you like any thing you see you can email me ,or just register online to make a perchase !.
Reduce shipping times??????? Err all other products on the site can be sourced from other Aussie sites at cheaper prices. Shipping times on the key should be almost instantaneous.
What can i PERCHASE, at least get the spelling right.
Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on August 04, 2009, 06:45:00 AM
the sites are fronts for thx to use to advertise,cos if it was legal they would have their own site like team xecuter.
they dont trust the sites with the goods as they can be raided and robbed,constant robbery brings the police and that = trouble.
the info gos to thx and payment,the seller gets the percentage as thx cant advertise or monthly payment like a site gets a payment for banner.that is why the emails you get wont correspond with these sites usual ones yet,each site will probably have its own email for thx,so they can ditch it and change to another when the heat is on.thats cos mrx gets email and to deal with foundmy and mry gets the email and to deal with redbox.
next you will see banners on site unless the admin decide against advertising sites that offer this.
you dont need to be inspector cleuseu to suss out whats going on.
a site with an ass at the head all of a sudden answers his emails?tell me another!
Post by: idog on August 04, 2009, 06:45:00 AM
QUOTE
News Content:
we now have an agreement and arrangment in place with foundmy.com.
we are now taking care of all australian orders , to help with the work load and to reduce" shipping times and cost".
we now have an agreement and arrangment in place with foundmy.com.
we are now taking care of all australian orders , to help with the work load and to reduce" shipping times and cost".
Shipping times ? Does emailing go faster when you pass from Canada through Australia ?
Post by: logicwatch on August 04, 2009, 06:46:00 AM
so as with so many ups and downs ! its impossible ! no it isnt ? scenarios over the years it inevitably boils down to the waiting game yet again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
This post has been edited by logicwatch: Aug 4 2009, 01:46 PM
Post by: Geen Rommel on August 04, 2009, 06:48:00 AM
Jungleflasher camo edition exclusive at Foundmy and xtractoruk, a coincidence?
Post by: ps2moduk on August 04, 2009, 06:53:00 AM
QUOTE(idog @ Aug 4 2009, 01:45 PM)
Shipping times ? Does emailing go faster when you pass from Canada through Australia ?
That made me laugh Post by: xbox360sexual on August 04, 2009, 06:56:00 AM
Post by: craxpt on August 04, 2009, 06:58:00 AM
you're all a bunch of ungrateful little childs.
you got used to the free stuff, you fill your pockets from others work and now you're feeling all your new customer running away when you add a 42$ to your fee. eat it up! you've been making money from something that was free. and don't tell that crap about you doing a technical job, that requires knowledge and skill. i'm a programmer and do you know what this is called? intellectual property. you have the tools, and the knowledge to open and flash a drive? good for you. i agree you should be payed for your work. someone has the tools and the knowledge to decrypt the key from a simple sata connection to the new drives? good for them: they should be paid. is 42$ too much? that is an answer that will depend on each person and how much you're willing to spend to have a console capable of running "backup". stop being hypocrites and pay the price.
hey, you: the do it yourself guy (like i am)! you're being an hypocrite too. you bought your console and want to play your backups without making any other profit from it. you have never modded other people's consoles and you're afraid that 42$ will be too much? eat it. you're paying 42$ one time and that's it. at least now you have an option. you think 42$ is too much? don't pay it and keep buying those originals and stick them in your console.
you go to the restaurant and pay a crap load of money for a meal you could do at your home for a fraction of the price and you don't complain about it. in this case, you're paying for a peace of information you have absolutely now idea how to get it, you have not the talent, skill or any kind of knowledge on how to dump, extract, reverse, crack or decrypt. YOU SHOULD PAY. many hours of hard work were involved in this
c4e, iriez, garyopa and all other involved in team hyperx are doing this all for free for a long time. they invested money to give you all these stuff until now. they invested time. so much time. they'll never get that time back. EVER. lots of hard work. you all know how to say thanks when a new ixtreame version is out. now that a paid solution is out, you ungrateful bitches all come out and bite the hand that fed you since 2006.
you should all crawl back to the shop/house/hole you came from and feel ashamed.
THANK YOU ALL FOR THE FREE SOLUTIONS UNTIL NOW
THANK YOU ALL OF THOSE INVOLVED IN PROVIDING AT LEAST AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THE NEW DRIVES
This post has been edited by craxpt: Aug 4 2009, 02:03 PM
Post by: syph007 on August 04, 2009, 07:06:00 AM
This post has been edited by syph007: Aug 4 2009, 02:07 PM
Post by: hetster on August 04, 2009, 07:10:00 AM
i have no problem paying for the service. i would have even less of a problem if the proceeds went direct to THX (even though it looks like it might do anyway)
what i DO have a problem with is foundmy.com.
you say your a programmer so you should know the importance of good coding. so if you are in fact a programmer by trade again i challenge you to go to foundmy.com and take a look and answer as honest as possible "would you hand over ANY details to them lol.."
i'll tell you how worried i am by the site if they decided they got it all wrong and offered the service for free i STILL wouldnt give them my email addy or any private details either personal or from my 360..
This post has been edited by hetster: Aug 4 2009, 02:11 PM
Post by: xbox360sexual on August 04, 2009, 07:11:00 AM
QUOTE(craxpt @ Aug 4 2009, 01:58 PM)
rant rant rant
you should all crawl back to the shop/house/hole you came from and feel ashamed.
I think the problems most are feeling are as follows:
#1. THX haven't said that they have any association with foundmy.com , so for all intents and purposes lots of us have a problem paying $42 to someone who has put no effort in to the scene. If THX admitted to taking a cut of the profit, I'm sure most would be only too happy to pay for a solution.
#2. As already said, foundmy.com has the worst reputation ever for a company, and paying by western union is asking for trouble
Post by: halleluia on August 04, 2009, 07:19:00 AM
QUOTE(Zoneout @ Aug 4 2009, 05:07 PM)
Didn't even bother to read the thread?
Simple answer is no. Happy?
Infact I read all of it. I asked this because I saw somewhere that someone read and hacked the drive
Post by: Geen Rommel on August 04, 2009, 07:19:00 AM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Aug 4 2009, 02:56 PM)
"camo edition" extractor... what the hell, do people honestly buy this crap? LOL
Actually I would have bought it because there is a small donation to the team, but wouldn't do it now.
With u$42 to decode a key, they don't need donations anymore imo.
Post by: commadore64 on August 04, 2009, 07:21:00 AM
I mean complete the circle at least
Post by: hetster on August 04, 2009, 07:23:00 AM
QUOTE
With u$42 to decode a key, they don't need donations anymore imo.
and so starts the beginning of the end of the scene
Post by: NoZart on August 04, 2009, 07:28:00 AM
QUOTE(craxpt @ Aug 4 2009, 02:58 PM)
hey, you: the do it yourself guy (like i am)! you're being an hypocrite too. you bought your console and want to play your backups without making any other profit from it. you have never modded other people's consoles and you're afraid that 42$ will be too much? eat it. you're paying 42$ one time and that's it. at least now you have an option. you think 42$ is too much? don't pay it and keep buying those originals and stick them in your console.
THANK YOU ALL FOR THE FREE SOLUTIONS UNTIL NOW
THANK YOU ALL OF THOSE INVOLVED IN PROVIDING AT LEAST AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THE NEW DRIVES
as much as i really approve of the rest of your post: i am not afraid of 42$ being too much. Its the risk of having a banned xbox thats too much. Giving a unique key out to an insecure site, which will be decrypted by human interaction (read: prone to errors) and then sent back to me just screams "YOU WILL BUY A NEW XBOX SOON"
I want full control and transparency of the key coming out of my xbox, going in the firmware an going back to the box. So for me its not an option. But i have other options that will work for a long time
We never give out personal account information on the internet for a reason. This very same reason applies to unique keys.
THANK YOU ALL FOR THE FREE SOLUTIONS UNTIL NOW, AND THE FREE SOLUTIONS TO COME.
Post by: Geen Rommel on August 04, 2009, 07:30:00 AM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Aug 4 2009, 03:11 PM)
As already said, foundmy.com has the worst reputation ever for a company, and paying by western union is asking for trouble
I see only 1 reason him accepting only WU payment, it's impossible to claim a refund then. With CC the customer is protected against unreliable shops.
QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 4 2009, 03:23 PM)
and so starts the beginning of the end of the scene
I didn't say they don't deserve donations, they just won't need them anymore, now they sold themselves out.
Post by: hetster on August 04, 2009, 07:34:00 AM
QUOTE
I didn't say they don't deserve donations, they just won't need them anymore, now they sold themselves out.
and when the shops get raided and closed down (this WILL happen) and have no form of income and need to resort back to donations i dont think anyone would trust them or give them cash again..i just wish they would have ASKED for donations as all this would have been avoided and i have no doubt they would have made a lot more than the income they are going to get for a few weeks of a site no-one trusts..
a group with no income and no purpose and no trust may as well not be a group anymore.
mind you i think they will have bigger things to worry about now. if they thought the courts came down on the owners of the pirate bay hard that wont be nothing to what bill gates lawyers will press for and when the worlds richest man wants something done he usualy gets it lol
This post has been edited by hetster: Aug 4 2009, 02:39 PM
Post by: letsmod on August 04, 2009, 07:39:00 AM
All resellers have to wait for FOUNDMY to send them back the email!!
Foundmy is not sharing the software so there is no way to get it leaked, another person has the key 90% decrpyted it is just a short amount of time and we will have a free or much lower cost solution.
the two other people offering the service have an agreement with foundmy to forwrd the .AU and .UK to there real sites, these are not owned by FM, they are just his pawns.
This post has been edited by letsmod: Aug 4 2009, 02:44 PM
Post by: idog on August 04, 2009, 07:44:00 AM
QUOTE(letsmod @ Aug 4 2009, 03:39 PM)
Foundmy is the only person with the software to decrypt and get key!!
All resellers have to wait for FOUNDMY to send them back the email!!
Foundmy is not sharing the software so there is no way to get it leaked, another person has the key 90% decrpyted it is just a short amount of time and we will have a free or much lower cost solution.
If that other person puts up a Donation site, I'll be among the first to donate once he delivers !
Post by: maggot555by666 on August 04, 2009, 07:44:00 AM
QUOTE(letsmod @ Aug 4 2009, 03:39 PM)
Foundmy is the only person with the software to decrypt and get key!!
All resellers have to wait for FOUNDMY to send them back the email!!
Foundmy is not sharing the software so there is no way to get it leaked, another person has the key 90% decrpyted it is just a short amount of time and we will have a free or much lower cost solution.
Team HyperX know the method for decrypt the fw, have decrypted it for do ixtreme firmware for liteon, foundmy discover the method for have the crypted fw via sata, and team hyperx don't want to release the algorithm for decrypt the fw
I don't now why, i think because foundmy have some relations with the team (Limited Edition USB Xtractor in Jungle Camo etc...)
The other possibility is that foundmy discover the method for decrypt the fw and team hyperx made the first and this ixtreme for liteons with the decrypted fw provided by foundmy
Post by: ps2moduk on August 04, 2009, 07:48:00 AM
QUOTE(letsmod @ Aug 4 2009, 02:39 PM)
Foundmy is the only person with the software to decrypt and get key!!
All resellers have to wait for FOUNDMY to send them back the email!!
Foundmy is not sharing the software so there is no way to get it leaked, another person has the key 90% decrpyted it is just a short amount of time and we will have a free or much lower cost solution.
the two other people offering the service have an agreement with foundmy to forwrd the .AU and .UK to there real sites, these are not owned by FM, they are just his pawns.
Sorry but i doubt that foundmy would have the capital to purchase the sole rights to this 'software'. We are assuming foundmy have the software, they may not even have that, they may be sending the info to a 3rd party. Hence the reason things are not instantaneous.
Post by: syph007 on August 04, 2009, 07:51:00 AM
QUOTE(Geen Rommel @ Aug 4 2009, 09:30 AM)
I see only 1 reason him accepting only WU payment, it's impossible to claim a refund then. With CC the customer is protected against unreliable shops.
I didn't say they don't deserve donations, they just won't need them anymore, now they sold themselves out.
When I was scammed, i did pay by VISA. I had to fight to get my money back and did. I bet Im not the only one and that;s why he no longer has a VISA merchant account.
Post by: OggyUK on August 04, 2009, 07:51:00 AM
QUOTE(Geen Rommel @ Aug 4 2009, 01:48 PM)
In case anyone has doubts who is behind this "service" check out http://jungleflasher.net/news.html
Jungleflasher camo edition exclusive at Foundmy and xtractoruk, a coincidence?
I suggest you stop right there, Im part of the JungleFlasher team and I can categorically say, not one of the team is in bed with anyone.
Our sole purpose is to deliver an all in-one, unified flasher to be used in Windows.
We also aim to have the best, friendliest application available providing constant updates to the application.
I do not see the "donations" personally, I dont code I wouldnt expect to.
JungleFlasher was created off the bat, it didnt need done, there were individual apps to complete the same tasks.
Did we charge for dummy from iX? Sell that out?
No,
So, STFU and get your facts right before slinging accusations in our direction.
The team, as yourselves is equally shocked by this, and, Im sure they may even post to agree with me - the discussions in the channels we use are of the very same train of thought as some in here.
Post by: majinsoftware on August 04, 2009, 07:56:00 AM
Post by: Geen Rommel on August 04, 2009, 07:59:00 AM
QUOTE(OggyUK @ Aug 4 2009, 03:51 PM)
I suggest you stop right there, Im part of the JungleFlasher team and I can categorically say, not one of the team is in bed with anyone.
Ok, so it is a coincidence that foundmy is an exclusive distributor of the camo xtractor and a few days later has this service set up.
Glad to see u guys aren't into this shit.
Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on August 04, 2009, 08:01:00 AM
foundmy dont have jack s**t.when are people gonna get the message.
foundmy dont have jack,thx needs to get the product out,that can only be done via others as its illegal so they cant do it themselves.
there will be more than 1 person on the case as an email can be answered by many,so now john is on the case,he will contact mike at 6pm and mike will take over,then chun wang will be on case at 12pm.
these people are from all over the world.
foundmy is just a muppet being used as a front for thx like all the other sites.
even people who were arguing the point for this aint got much fight as they dont know the full truth and if they do they will look like morons for defending liers.
see!
oh,foundmy bought it off mike smith and is selling it.
no!foundmy and all the other sites are advertisements for the origin,thx.they get a percentage or one of payment per week whatever.
forget foundmy ffs!
Post by: jgsieve on August 04, 2009, 08:01:00 AM
If they are that worried about it, why don't they find someone with terminal cancer and have them upload it?
Heartless, I know, but I would do it.
Post by: maggot555by666 on August 04, 2009, 08:02:00 AM
Post by: brain27 on August 04, 2009, 08:07:00 AM
I have seen him pop up from time to time on x-s, xbox hacker and digital worlds.
He has been asking people if thy woulddonate one of those drives to him and that if he got the key he would tell the owner. He says that he was going to use a special method to locate the key. This is the reason why i say that. I can even prove it!
But im just assuming. Im a noob so dont flame at me
Post by: OggyUK on August 04, 2009, 08:12:00 AM
Who knows, if Team Xecuter actually made their new product, we might have the opportunity to support that, they didnt, we couldnt.
Post by: ekruob on August 04, 2009, 08:19:00 AM
QUOTE(Jbasto @ Aug 4 2009, 05:41 AM)
Watch that site be Ddos attacked quick poor guy
I'm in for a sustained DDoS attack... anyone else in?
Post by: out4it on August 04, 2009, 08:19:00 AM
And last, it all comes down to basic supply and demand. But what happens if the demand goes down? So does the price.
Post by: BoNg420 on August 04, 2009, 08:26:00 AM
QUOTE(Geen Rommel @ Aug 4 2009, 09:30 AM)
I see only 1 reason him accepting only WU payment, it's impossible to claim a refund then. With CC the customer is protected against unreliable shops.
I didn't say they don't deserve donations, they just won't need them anymore, now they sold themselves out.
The reason he isn't taking paypal or credit card is because you can do chargebacks and paypal claims. With western union, once he has the cash you can't do crap.
Imagine people pay him to get key, they get key then do a chargeback because he has no proof of a product shipping.
Post by: brain27 on August 04, 2009, 08:37:00 AM
Post by: letsmod on August 04, 2009, 08:42:00 AM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Aug 4 2009, 07:26 AM)
The reason he isn't taking paypal or credit card is because you can do chargebacks and paypal claims. With western union, once he has the cash you can't do crap.
Imagine people pay him to get key, they get key then do a chargeback because he has no proof of a product shipping.
what are you talking about he is accepting CC for this, what you dont SEE is some countries he only accepts W.E. due to high credit card fraud
Post by: sancho_panza on August 04, 2009, 08:44:00 AM
QUOTE(letsmod @ Aug 4 2009, 03:39 PM)
Foundmy is not sharing the software so there is no way to get it leaked, another person has the key 90% decrpyted it is just a short amount of time and we will have a free or much lower cost solution.
Don't believe it.
Post by: reddwarf on August 04, 2009, 08:47:00 AM
I agree with the sentiment of others, I have no problem paying for a key but $42 is steep. I have yet to come across one of these drives by the way. The extraction method and key generation is the key (no pun intended) here. Someone managed to decode the key and I take my hat off to them. If they want to make money from that work then that's all well and good as well but not to the expense of people losing money, as i said i have yet to see someones success story with it.
I commend all the teams we have had now and in the past for what they do and what they have done, without them... and they know who they are... we would not have had any solution to drive firmware, bios hacks, exploits, lpc reads.
Lets just see how this all shakes out. I am absolutely sure many people are now working even harder on understanding how to decrypt the key from the firmware. Remember this proves its possible and has been completed (hopefully). The algorithm is complex, i am sure, but it is a logic puzzle that takes time.
Thanks to Jungleflasher and THX you have all done amazing work, maybe we are at a turning point, I just hope it becomes fair on both sides.
Thanks for reading
Post by: sancho_panza on August 04, 2009, 08:53:00 AM
QUOTE(maggot555by666 @ Aug 4 2009, 04:02 PM)
OggyUK your post is very important, the team is not involved in the thief of foundmy, but you will release the method for decrypt the fw? i think this is the same that you have used for made the ixtreme fw for liteon
The team who makes Jungleflasher should not be the same as the team who makes the Ixtreme and/or who decrypts the fws...
Post by: leorimolo on August 04, 2009, 09:02:00 AM
Post by: idog on August 04, 2009, 09:08:00 AM
QUOTE(brain27 @ Aug 4 2009, 04:37 PM)
BTW has anyone tried this site out? Just curious
On the site it says 2 reviews. When you click, all you get to see is :
QUOTE
There are currently no product reviews.
I would think, with this much exposure, there would at least be a 100 reviews or more... or at least 1...
Post by: dokworm on August 04, 2009, 09:13:00 AM
QUOTE(ps2moduk @ Aug 4 2009, 02:48 PM)
Sorry but i doubt that foundmy would have the capital to purchase the sole rights to this 'software'. We are assuming foundmy have the software, they may not even have that, they may be sending the info to a 3rd party. Hence the reason things are not instantaneous.
It may be that it is not instantaneous because it takes some serious number crunching to crack the key each time...
Post by: sancho_panza on August 04, 2009, 09:13:00 AM
QUOTE(idog @ Aug 4 2009, 05:08 PM)
On the site it says 2 reviews. When you click, all you get to see is :
I would think, with this much exposure, there would at least be a 100 reviews or more... or at least 1...
I'm not sure there are many people who are buying (or willing to do it) until the ixtreme will be released...
Post by: djkneegrow on August 04, 2009, 09:16:00 AM
The whole point is that there is nothing in this world that only one person can do forever that no one else can do, there is nothing in this world that multiple people can do, in time, that still is expensive in whatever field the situation is. In other words if this is the new way flashing goes than someone else will figure it out and charge less, then someone else will do the same, and so on and so on. What is the most important thing surrounding all of this information is this one question,
How patient can you be?
Post by: Geen Rommel on August 04, 2009, 09:24:00 AM
QUOTE(idog @ Aug 4 2009, 05:08 PM)
On the site it says 2 reviews. When you click, all you get to see is :
I would think, with this much exposure, there would at least be a 100 reviews or more... or at least 1...
The site owner has to approve the reviews first, so we won't see any negative reviews.
I guess any reviews that will be posted are created by himself
Post by: tskiller on August 04, 2009, 09:26:00 AM
Just relax, if one person figured it out, that means someone else can figure it out too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
This post has been edited by tskiller: Aug 4 2009, 04:29 PM
Post by: dokworm on August 04, 2009, 09:28:00 AM
QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 4 2009, 02:34 PM)
and when the shops get raided and closed down (this WILL happen) and have no form of income and need to resort back to donations i dont think anyone would trust them or give them cash again..i just wish they would have ASKED for donations as all this would have been avoided and i have no doubt they would have made a lot more than the income they are going to get for a few weeks of a site no-one trusts..
a group with no income and no purpose and no trust may as well not be a group anymore.
mind you i think they will have bigger things to worry about now. if they thought the courts came down on the owners of the pirate bay hard that wont be nothing to what bill gates lawyers will press for and when the worlds richest man wants something done he usualy gets it lol
I wouldn't be surprised if after being let trade for a while to get enough evidence logged, (i.e. MS employees sending them dumps and getting keys back) that they are raided.
This from Associated Press today via kotaku:
There are some people who modify their own consoles so they can play imported games. Thats fine. There are others, however, who do so for reasons of piracy, and commercial gain. Those people are not fine.
27 year-old Matthew Crippen, who is a student at California State University, sounds like he might (might!) be one of those not fine people. He was released on Monday night on bail facing charges relating to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act; specifically, that he has modified Xbox, PlayStation and Wii consoles. If hes found guilty, he could face up to ten years behind bars.
Since he was arrested after an investigation from the Electronic Software Association - serious stuff - the chances of him having modded the consoles just so he could play Super Dimensional Fortress Macross on the PS2 seem slim.
The original AP article: http://www.google.co...sLx7mwD99RR63O0
OC man charged with modifying video game consoles
(AP) 11 hours ago
LOS ANGELES A Southern California college student has been arrested on federal charges that he illegally modified video game consoles to enable the machines to play pirated video games.
The U.S. Attorney's Office says 27-year-old Matthew Crippen was released Monday night after posting $5,000 bond.
The California State University, Fullerton student who lives in Anaheim is accused of modifying Xbox, PlayStation and Wii consoles in violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents got a tip from the Entertainment Software Association and searched Crippen's home in May.
He was indicted on two counts by a federal grand jury. Crippen faces 10 years in prison if convicted and is scheduled for arraignment on Aug. 10.
Attempts to reach Crippen for comment were unsuccessful.
Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
Post by: Sp00nMan on August 04, 2009, 09:34:00 AM
This post has been edited by Sp00nMan: Aug 4 2009, 04:36 PM
Post by: gamestuff on August 04, 2009, 09:42:00 AM
QUOTE(dokworm @ Aug 4 2009, 08:28 AM)
I wouldn't be surprised if after being let trade for a while to get enough evidence logged, (i.e. MS employees sending them dumps and getting keys back) that they are raided.
This from Associated Press today via kotaku:
There are some people who modify their own consoles so they can play imported games. Thats fine. There are others, however, who do so for reasons of piracy, and commercial gain. Those people are not fine.
27 year-old Matthew Crippen, who is a student at California State University, sounds like he might (might!) be one of those not fine people. He was released on Monday night on bail facing charges relating to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act; specifically, that he has modified Xbox, PlayStation and Wii consoles. If hes found guilty, he could face up to ten years behind bars.
Since he was arrested after an investigation from the Electronic Software Association - serious stuff - the chances of him having modded the consoles just so he could play Super Dimensional Fortress Macross on the PS2 seem slim.
The original AP article: http://www.google.co...sLx7mwD99RR63O0
OC man charged with modifying video game consoles
(AP) 11 hours ago
LOS ANGELES A Southern California college student has been arrested on federal charges that he illegally modified video game consoles to enable the machines to play pirated video games.
The U.S. Attorney's Office says 27-year-old Matthew Crippen was released Monday night after posting $5,000 bond.
The California State University, Fullerton student who lives in Anaheim is accused of modifying Xbox, PlayStation and Wii consoles in violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents got a tip from the Entertainment Software Association and searched Crippen's home in May.
He was indicted on two counts by a federal grand jury. Crippen faces 10 years in prison if convicted and is scheduled for arraignment on Aug. 10.
Attempts to reach Crippen for comment were unsuccessful.
Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
Foundmy.com is a Canadian site, We Canadians do not follow the same bullshit DMCA laws you do.
We are legally entitled to modify consoles as long as its for backup purposes only.
Post by: Iriez on August 04, 2009, 09:44:00 AM
QUOTE(ssj4android @ Aug 4 2009, 12:19 AM)
I have a feeling the site won't be up that much longer. And it certainly seems to me that offering an illegal service for pay would have harsher consequences than offering an illegal service for free.
I'd certainly be more concerned about your freedom now that you're receiving money, Iriez. Same with the everyone else involved in the process. How much do you think has been spent developing methods to trace money to combat terrorism?
lol?
Yea, im recieving "big bux no whammies" ...haha.
You people are great
I have not seen a dime out of this, and I sincerely doubt I ever will unless I start my own shop. The same people who are crying about money are saying that im supporting this because of money? How hypocritical is that.I support this because it is a mean's to a end. Nothing more.
When the waves are crashing down on you, you hold onto whatever piece of wood you can find, even if its a splinter. Thats what im doing.
Post by: legssmit on August 04, 2009, 09:59:00 AM
QUOTE(gamestuff @ Aug 4 2009, 05:42 PM)
Foundmy.com is a Canadian site, We Canadians do not follow the same bullshit DMCA laws you do.
We are legally entitled to modify consoles as long as its for backup purposes only.
Why do you think that?
Its hosted in Berlin, Germany ( http://www.ip2location.com/212.227.52.163 )
This post has been edited by legssmit: Aug 4 2009, 05:02 PM
Post by: ghaladream on August 04, 2009, 10:07:00 AM
Post by: antz1970 on August 04, 2009, 10:09:00 AM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Aug 4 2009, 04:44 PM)
I support this because it is a mean's to a end. Nothing more.
When the waves are crashing down on you, you hold onto whatever piece of wood you can find, even if its a splinter. Thats what im doing.
sounds to me like there is a lot of sh*t happening behind the scenes that we are unaware of ?
nfo from IX 1.6 83850c
Team HyperX Presents IXtreme 1.6 firmware for Liteon 83850c drives
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IXtreme fw for Liteon 83850c drives!
Happy third anniversary for the xbox360 fw and despite all attempts we are still here, flashing fw, after several ban waves and several drives including the mighty LITEON we have triumphed! It is a testiment to all involved on how far we have come and the massive teamwork it has required. Thanks go to all involved and here's to the next three years!
At the moment the only way to get your key data is through the foundmy.com method. At this time we have no alternative solution. Props to foundmy for cracking the key encryption and providing a solution. Team HyperX will keep working to find a alternative solution!
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-Added Support for LiteOn 83850c Drives.
-Strict Wave 3 compliance! hybrid (modified disks) will not boot!
-Strict drive speed compliance - 12x only for game discs!
-Support for SS V2!
-Integrated 0800 for game dumping including SS v2!
-Full support for all known game exceptions! eg ddr etc!
-One shot boot mode! - allows a one off boot of gamedisc without -stealth/partition checks (will still use stealth), use activate.iso disk to activate each time!
-Support for easy drive key/version info cmd, same as liteon!
-Strict stealth/wave checking, one shot boot mode will boot wave(x)!
More Info
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Strict Wave 3 compliance means wave 3 games will only boot if they have correct PFI/DMI/SS and timestamp for wave 3
Strict drive speed compliance means games will only boot if drive is set for the initial speed of 12x, any modification of this make games fail to boot
SS v2 suports multiple timing samples for challenges type 5 and 7 , stroing them in the SS. This is a pre-requiste for SS v3 which has support for the so called AP2.5 check. Since this has never been used or may never be used by MS we will adopt a wait and see approach and continue to monitor for its usage.
With drive in Windows mode (Tray half open on powerup) 0800 mode is activated allowing easy dumping of game disc including SS v2. In this mode the drive is also able to output drive key, fw version and drive type by using a simple custom inquiry command.
Game exceptions are integrated in the fw for games that do not comply with the strict wave checks but are legitimate. These are Dance Dance Revolution Universe, Stoked, Ping 17 disk, afro samurai
One shot boot mode allows you to boot a Wave X or non stealth game by using the activate.iso disk as a flag. Just insert the activate disc and the next disc inserted will boot without any strict checks. This will still utilise full stealth if available. As soon as that disc is booted the flag is cleared, and you will have to re-insert the activate disk again to enable one shot boot. As always use with caution.
This post has been edited by antz1970: Aug 4 2009, 05:15 PM
Post by: mupet0000 on August 04, 2009, 10:23:00 AM
QUOTE(legssmit @ Aug 4 2009, 04:59 PM)
http://www.whois.net/whois/foundmy.com
I guess they are looking at that. Does say it's registered by http://contactprivacy.com/ though.
This post has been edited by mupet0000: Aug 4 2009, 05:27 PM
Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on August 04, 2009, 10:27:00 AM
QUOTE(legssmit @ Aug 4 2009, 04:59 PM)
cos its easy to just type without realy knowing one way or the other thats why.
also we always think we can condone the things we know are wrong.
what makes you think canada is exempt.if i look at your laws and i am in uk i guarantee you that canadians dont have 2 legs to stand on.
you said for backup purposes.perhaps you should have your home searched first?
dont think so eh?you move all your pb shit somewhere else.
my god they are canadian and exempt cos they got backups,i got backups too!
canada is not the first place and last place on earth.
Post by: NA_0815 on August 04, 2009, 10:35:00 AM
ppl cant u wait until a better tool is goin public? guess u wouldnt pay 42$ for something that will come out anyway...Takin 42$ for a look on a hex editor is more than a crime^^.
I guess it will take only a few days until solution is found and presented...
and if u really cant wait...waste ur money for nothin
Post by: chrislad81 on August 04, 2009, 10:37:00 AM
I have no idea whats going on i'm not a major player in the scene.. to me it seems like weve been watching a free stripshow. now there asking us to fill up there pot were all complaining. is 42$ to much maybe it is. how much does a mechanic charge for an hours work??
Id like to thank the people who crack the firmwares and write the ixtremes... oh i wish someone would show me what to do....
and secondly thank anyone at jungleflasher for excelent software
stop getting bent up at the people who are part of the teams that brought us this far... if its them that are behind it.. maybe they had insider info that the next crop of xboxs will have unflashable drives and just trying to make money on the last batch that they will ever do. if that is the case when all this is over please will you realsease your biographies and all the stuff you did to do it. That is assuming you can make an unflashable drive i guess just a matter of changing chip thats in it from an eprom to just a prom.
if they gave it us free for years it wouldnt be a case of here you go lets sell out without a reason other than greed!!
if its not them then dont get angry at them they will realease solution all in good time if you are here gettin anoyed at the people who brought you here there just going to think whats the point might aswell just do it for ourselves now
Post by: gamestuff on August 04, 2009, 10:44:00 AM
QUOTE(legssmit @ Aug 4 2009, 08:59 AM)
The fact that i've ordered from foundmy on several occasions and sent products back. All to a canadian address. its actually quite well known hes canadian or so i thought....
QUOTE(saleem_hacks_360s @ Aug 4 2009, 09:27 AM)
cos its easy to just type without realy knowing one way or the other thats why.
also we always think we can condone the things we know are wrong.
what makes you think canada is exempt.if i look at your laws and i am in uk i guarantee you that canadians dont have 2 legs to stand on.
you said for backup purposes.perhaps you should have your home searched first?
dont think so eh?you move all your pb shit somewhere else.
my god they are canadian and exempt cos they got backups,i got backups too!
canada is not the first place and last place on earth.
yes its easy to talk out of your ass isn't it?
however, I don't blab unless I'm confident in my answer.
You can come search my house, and my office where i mod xbox's. you will not find a single copy of any game anywhere, im not that stupid. I know my countries laws and i operate a business based on them.
There are laws in the works that would put me out of business but there is alot of us fighting it right now.
i never said Canada was better then anywhere else, i just stated our laws are not the same as the USA so the likelihood of a raid is not as high as people think.
Post by: ToBbErT on August 04, 2009, 10:46:00 AM
Im just hoping that Team HyperX follows the same path. They deserve living a good life and money always helps.
Post by: chrislad81 on August 04, 2009, 10:46:00 AM
QUOTE(gamestuff @ Aug 4 2009, 05:38 PM)
The fact that i've ordered from foundmy on several occasions and sent products back. All to a canadian address. its actually quite well known hes canadian or so i thought....
its hosted by oscommerce (open sorce comerce) oscommerce was the idea of a german called Harald Ponce de Leon. which is why the site is hosted in germany but not who actually sells the stuff on the foundmy site. so he might be canadian for all we know.
please correct me if im wrong
Post by: slimgrip on August 04, 2009, 10:52:00 AM
Post by: hetster on August 04, 2009, 11:03:00 AM
i can just see terry's face right now with the pound signs going around his eyes and the sounds of kerching as his mailbox starts to fill up..oh well. glad i'm out of it lol..
Post by: HotKnife420 on August 04, 2009, 12:31:00 PM
Post by: PornOH on August 04, 2009, 12:57:00 PM
QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 4 2009, 10:03 AM)
oh well..the floodgates just opened with the release of ix 1.6
i can just see terry's face right now with the pound signs going around his eyes and the sounds of kerching as his mailbox starts to fill up..oh well. glad i'm out of it lol..
I think you mean dollar signs... dollar= $, pound = #
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Post by: somenutter on August 04, 2009, 01:08:00 PM
Post by: PornOH on August 04, 2009, 01:13:00 PM
QUOTE(somenutter @ Aug 4 2009, 12:08 PM)
well from searching google it seems foundmy has spoke on these forums before, so i ask foundmy where are you ? do you have anything to say about all this ?
"Suckers!" comes to mind.
Post by: somenutter on August 04, 2009, 01:18:00 PM
QUOTE(PornOH @ Aug 4 2009, 08:13 PM)
"Suckers!" comes to mind.
Post by: Exobex on August 04, 2009, 01:48:00 PM
QUOTE(PornOH @ Aug 4 2009, 06:57 PM)
I think you mean dollar signs... dollar= $, pound = #
hash = #, pound = £
Looking on the FoundMy site, the key retrieval service has 3 reviews, but they're not there when you click the Reviews button. Wonder what they said...
Post by: somenutter on August 04, 2009, 01:53:00 PM
QUOTE(Exobex @ Aug 4 2009, 08:48 PM)
hash = #, pound = £
Looking on the FoundMy site, the key retrieval service has 3 reviews, but they're not there when you click the Reviews button. Wonder what they said...
he must be using an apple keyboard cos thats where the pound sign is on mine but it makes a hash instead
Post by: celltoolz on August 04, 2009, 02:25:00 PM
(IMG:http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3976/89910432.jpg)
Also it looks like they just used the old 74850 firmware and modified it a little.
Post by: swissjay on August 04, 2009, 02:33:00 PM
Post by: hetster on August 04, 2009, 02:48:00 PM
ive allready turned 3 people away now and just told two of them that i no longer flash 360's and the other who is a friend i told of the situation and told him he would have to go elsewhere. he isnt going to bother himself now he read through a few of these lol..he's going to sell it and trade it in for an older version. he says it still works out cheaper to lose money on a brand new xbox and trade for a second hand 1 and flash himself..
i am not going to pass on any cost as i am not a hypocrite. if i feel ripped off and then pass on the cost i'm basicaly ripping them off myself by proxy which i'm not comfortable with.
i would usualy be jumping for joy and checking all the new stuff out..but i havent got the new ix16 for liteon..i have visited foundmy.com once (that was enough lol) i havent even checked if theres a new jungle flasher out or not. i suspect there will be if theres a new ix16. i have lost total interest..the only thing keeping me in these forums is the sheer fascination of what greed can do..its like a social experiment. its like big brother but more entertaining. i love how over 24 hours THX have gone from firmware gods to rip off merchants rofl..if anything its a fascinating read..
i also keep refreshing theregister.com hoping to see news of terry's arrest lol..
Post by: NA_0815 on August 04, 2009, 03:09:00 PM
QUOTE(celltoolz @ Aug 4 2009, 10:25 PM)
LoL, I just downloaded the new firmware and opened it with JF. I think they may have forgot to blank out their Key Data from this new firmware. Check It Out:
(IMG:http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3976/89910432.jpg)
Also it looks like they just used the old 74850 firmware and modified it a little.
then u might have opened it with the wrong program(i mean the result u get on 0.1.64 Beta.
And that they took a same-based-firmware for the the "new" liteon is even more than logical...
This post has been edited by NA_0815: Aug 4 2009, 10:14 PM
Post by: THEMASTERFUL1 on August 04, 2009, 03:09:00 PM
Quote
It is happening. Stop crying.
Why does everyone assume everything is free? Guys, I have invested 1/3 of my life to this scene for free. I've provided all of my services for free. I've established teams and groups that have made this scene possible. All for free.
So one would think me of all people would be upset by someone trying to charge?
Im sorry, but im not. Work is work. Fair is fair. If someone wants to reverse engineer the process and give it away for free (and risk being put in jail for life while your at it) feel free to do so.
You people cry about 40 dollars when a game costs 60. EVERY game. Yet you mod your 360 once and every game is free. Dont try to deny that it is the main purpose of modifying your drive...it is the ONLY reason (Backup yea, mhm.) So the more you cry about this, the bigger a hypocrite you look, and the more immature, childish and frankly....cheap as shit.
ahhhhhhhhhhhh, isn't this piracy talk which = BAN
Post by: antz1970 on August 04, 2009, 03:18:00 PM
QUOTE(THEMASTERFUL1 @ Aug 4 2009, 10:09 PM)
Iriez
Quote
It is happening. Stop crying.
Why does everyone assume everything is free? Guys, I have invested 1/3 of my life to this scene for free. I've provided all of my services for free. I've established teams and groups that have made this scene possible. All for free.
So one would think me of all people would be upset by someone trying to charge?
Im sorry, but im not. Work is work. Fair is fair. If someone wants to reverse engineer the process and give it away for free (and risk being put in jail for life while your at it) feel free to do so.
You people cry about 40 dollars when a game costs 60. EVERY game. Yet you mod your 360 once and every game is free. Dont try to deny that it is the main purpose of modifying your drive...it is the ONLY reason (Backup yea, mhm.) So the more you cry about this, the bigger a hypocrite you look, and the more immature, childish and frankly....cheap as shit.
ahhhhhhhhhhhh, isn't this piracy talk which = BAN
dont be a dick m8
Post by: ps2moduk on August 04, 2009, 03:21:00 PM
Post by: NA_0815 on August 04, 2009, 03:30:00 PM
why not tryin to get some charge? I can tell ya...
U said,u spent a lot of time on the scene..u did all for free...ok..nobody told ya to do that.u could have asked for any kind of payment all the time.Did u? guess not. So why blamin ppl,when they dont wanna pay for something. It`s human nature. U are takin advantages from others too, and i guess most of the time u would like to have it for free as well...
I spent months in translating manuals for couple of stuff like Xtractor,toolbox,xbox connect in the early years,etc etc etc.
I made that cause of the fun,and to help others.
And I guess u have been usin items like mtkflash,jungleflasher etc too...
In the end its the rate that counts. and for just takin a look on a prog to give ppl their own key..42$ are way too much. that is like the whole amount for a complete flash in a store.
but thats only my point of view...
I have given my part to this all..even by writin manuals,and tryin out new progs, by spending a lot of money on consoles and other hardware.
We dont need to do this at all,but we want to...
This post has been edited by NA_0815: Aug 4 2009, 10:31 PM
Post by: reddwarf on August 04, 2009, 03:36:00 PM
QUOTE(NA_0815 @ Aug 4 2009, 02:30 PM)
m8...u are askin why...
why not tryin to get some charge? I can tell ya...
U said,u spent a lot of time on the scene..u did all for free...ok..nobody told ya to do that.u could have asked for any kind of payment all the time.Did u? guess not. So why blamin ppl,when they dont wanna pay for something. It`s human nature. U are takin advantages from others too, and i guess most of the time u would like to have it for free as well...
I spent months in translating manuals for couple of stuff like Xtractor,toolbox,xbox connect in the early years,etc etc etc.
I made that cause of the fun,and to help others.
And I guess u have been usin items like mtkflash,jungleflasher etc too...
In the end its the rate that counts. and for just takin a look on a prog to give ppl their own key..42$ are way too much. that is like the whole amount for a complete flash in a store.
but thats only my point of view...
I have given my part to this all..even by writin manuals,and tryin out new progs, by spending a lot of money on consoles and other hardware.
We dont need to do this at all,but we want to...
Wow fascinating read, I would love to get my hand on those manuals. Wonder how many U's there might be in it
Post by: NA_0815 on August 04, 2009, 03:38:00 PM
QUOTE(reddwarf @ Aug 4 2009, 11:36 PM)
Wow fascinating read, I would love to get my hand on those manuals. Wonder how many U's there might be in it
u wouldnt expect how many^^
Post by: dpbmt on August 04, 2009, 03:51:00 PM
stop whining people, they didnt have to release this method, be thankful they did.
Keep up the goodwork
Post by: Ceazer on August 04, 2009, 04:06:00 PM
Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on August 04, 2009, 04:18:00 PM
QUOTE(dpbmt @ Aug 4 2009, 10:51 PM)
^^ lol
stop whining people, they didnt have to release this method, be thankful they did.
Keep up the goodwork
stop whining people, they didnt have to release this method, be thankful they did.
Keep up the goodwork
if they didnt release it people wouldnt want the key service as they would have to replace the drive completely making it more expensive therefore they might as well source out new consoles with older version liteon.even rrod machines.
that being said,i think microsoft will bring out newer model drive,that will probably get cracked then the same shit will happen again with charging and coming up with stories.
they are now becoming a money making industry,an illegal one at that,ixtreme is illegal and it will now become more illegal and they will target them and put them outta business.
i give them 1 moth or so then all the sites will be shut down as thats the source and they will raid the hackers to slam em in prison.
the sites will probably get legal threats and will remove the product or will think "hey i am canadian" until the law raids them and then they are found that they was distrbuting illegal info to other countries and they breached other countries laws.
ever heard of extradition.
thats right terry (chocolate) will be shackled and filmed walking down the planes steps as he is extradited to usa like they do the colombians.
noone is safe from international laws,you send files that are illegal to another country you break that countries laws,its like smuggling.
Post by: [TONE] on August 04, 2009, 04:23:00 PM
when people goto jail and a free method for this is out im going to be laughing real hard and telling quite a few people I KNOW i told u guys so!
Post by: turny on August 04, 2009, 04:38:00 PM
QUOTE(dpbmt @ Aug 4 2009, 10:51 PM)
^^ lol
stop whining people, they didnt have to release this method, be thankful they did.
Keep up the goodwork
cant understand it really, at one time you would pay £30 for a ps2 chip spend a day installing it and be grateful if it worked, how times have changed , its like jungleflasher loads of ppl use it but virtually no one donates ,well i did, but if you had to pay to use it ,there would be moaning ,why do we have to pay?.
You dont for the new liteon , just go and buy another game if your original game is damaged.just use original games problem solved.
Post by: mupet0000 on August 04, 2009, 05:02:00 PM
QUOTE(turny @ Aug 4 2009, 11:38 PM)
cant understand it really, at one time you would pay £30 for a ps2 chip spend a day installing it and be grateful if it worked, how times have changed , its like jungleflasher loads of ppl use it but virtually no one donates ,well i did, but if you had to pay to use it ,there would be moaning ,why do we have to pay?.
You dont for the new liteon , just go and buy another game if your original game is damaged.just use original games problem solved.
Can you not see the difference between a PS2 chip and someone sending you an email with a key?
Pay £30 for a PS2 chip, you can't make that chip yourself, it's a physical thing. Pay $42 for someone to read a key that anyone could read with the correct software - it's very different. I would be happier if it didn't cost so much.
Post by: Jbasto on August 04, 2009, 05:16:00 PM
QUOTE(mupet0000 @ Aug 4 2009, 07:02 PM)
Can you not see the difference between a PS2 chip and someone sending you an email with a key?
Pay £30 for a PS2 chip, you can't make that chip yourself, it's a physical thing. Pay $42 for someone to read a key that anyone could read with the correct software - it's very different. I would be happier if it didn't cost so much.
Well see do u have the software ... so reading the key is the advantage he has over everyone just wait and we all will be able to read the key to.
Post by: alwaysonjohn on August 04, 2009, 05:21:00 PM
This post has been edited by alwaysonjohn: Aug 5 2009, 12:23 AM
Post by: NA_0815 on August 04, 2009, 05:23:00 PM
Post by: cory1492 on August 04, 2009, 06:05:00 PM
QUOTE(gamestuff @ Aug 4 2009, 09:42 AM)
Foundmy.com is a Canadian site, We Canadians do not follow the same bullshit DMCA laws you do.
We are legally entitled to modify consoles as long as its for backup purposes only.
Doesn't matter - if you are selling such a product/service to people outside your country where the end result is violating the laws in the customers country... extraditions do happen. Over such things people could find themselves in a long slow to boil pot with the stew that makes up some fairly skewed laws that don't directly apply in their own region.
QUOTE(mupet0000 @ Aug 4 2009, 10:23 AM)
So HyperX are claiming that foundmy cracked the encryption and they have nothing to do with it. I highly doubt foundmy did anything useful, they can't even put together a website properly.
I agree, it's more likely the same thing that happened with PSP unbricking in the past with foundmy - an internal leak in a hacking group lead to software being used in china which was then bought by foundmy for an extortionist price and resold as a service by them for a short while to recoup that price. The thing is Foundmy did contact that team first and shared findings - which also seems to be the case here going by Iriez's comments.
Foundmy (and letsmod) have done some great things for the scene (behind the scenes) in the past and it's quite likely none of us will ever know what most of them are, but I'm fairly certain price gouging isn't one of them. If it's $42, I bet there is a very good reason (even though I wish for double or even treble that, that there was a real solution to unlock the 360 properly - I know I paid more than $42 for my PS2/xbox chips.) I do wonder if they realized even remotely the level of idiocy that would follow offering such a service exclusively - especially considering my earlier comment on extradition.
Once a Foundmy customer and even having met the proprietor in person, I still say they are not scammers but at the same time I would not be a repeat customer - it's like they randomly go on vacation and don't bother to fill orders for big gaps of time without letting anyone know what's up with their money/product/service (resulting in pretty much any of the non-imaginary {ie: read this thread} complaints I've ever heard about them.)
Post by: mupet0000 on August 04, 2009, 06:06:00 PM
QUOTE(Jbasto @ Aug 5 2009, 12:16 AM)
Well see do u have the software ... so reading the key is the advantage he has over everyone just wait and we all will be able to read the key to.
So sell the software? It's like the modchip people not selling the modchips, just forcing you to pay even more money for them to install it themselves.
Post by: uberd0gg on August 04, 2009, 07:33:00 PM
QUOTE(mupet0000 @ Aug 5 2009, 12:02 AM)
Can you not see the difference between a PS2 chip and someone sending you an email with a key?
Pay £30 for a PS2 chip, you can't make that chip yourself, it's a physical thing. Pay $42 for someone to read a key that anyone could read with the correct software - it's very different. I would be happier if it didn't cost so much.
I agree completely. The price of a chip goes towards covering parts and assembly - unless foundmy.com are putting serious time and effort into laboriously hand-editing each and every key, the $42 pricetag cannot be justified. Saying "well, he has the software and you don't" just doesn't cut it.
Its like, if you needed a screw to fix your car, and that screw cost $1 to buy, and some guy comes along offers to sell you it for $300 simply because he knows you need it...
^ That's a f*cking rip-off, mate. It's exploitative. The bloke selling that screw is a slimy, greedy, weazel-faced prick! And that's exactly how I feel about the twats at foundmy.com right now.
ps. I don't even own one of these liteon drives. I'm just disgusted by the whole situation.
This post has been edited by uberd0gg: Aug 5 2009, 02:38 AM
Post by: mupet0000 on August 04, 2009, 08:24:00 PM
QUOTE(uberd0gg @ Aug 5 2009, 02:33 AM)
I agree completely. The price of a chip goes towards covering parts and assembly - unless foundmy.com are putting serious time and effort into laboriously hand-editing each and every key, the $42 pricetag cannot be justified. Saying "well, he has the software and you don't" just doesn't cut it.
Its like, if you needed a screw to fix your car, and that screw cost $1 to buy, and some guy comes along offers to sell you it for $300 simply because he knows you need it...
^ That's a f*cking rip-off, mate. It's exploitative. The bloke selling that screw is a slimy, greedy, weazel-faced prick! And that's exactly how I feel about the twats at foundmy.com right now.
ps. I don't even own one of these liteon drives. I'm just disgusted by the whole situation.
Yeah I feel the same and I also don't have one of those drives.
Post by: xboxer360 on August 04, 2009, 09:27:00 PM
Post by: STICKY_BUD on August 04, 2009, 09:33:00 PM
i agree with hetster. passing this kind of fee on to a customer is bunk! what if every service we purchased had to add a licensing fee for that service? this is a rip off!
Post by: zaku49 on August 04, 2009, 09:34:00 PM
=====================================
General items Updated
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KeyDB and Log to Notepad fixed for windows 7 and foreign languages
Lite-On-Erase
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- Extra check added, Drive Serial is compared to Target f/w
- a mismatch will cause a warning... Just in case user were
- to hook up a new lite-on and forget to do DVDkey32
MtkFlash32
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- Disable related windows drive letters on Intro
- Windows interfers with read-back verify as it thinks drive is
- still present after into. This occured primarily with benq
- running ix > 1.41. The half tray unlock also give windows
- drive letter. On intro, drive list is refreshed, scanned for
- the drive on the current port and disabled if found..
Lite-On 83850c support
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- ix 1.6 83850 support added ( cross spoofing of ix revs NOT supported )
- conversion of [barcode].bin.key to dummy.bin
- Autoload dummy, auto-load ix, spoof ix
- extract of [barcode].bin
Post by: xboxer360 on August 04, 2009, 10:06:00 PM
Post by: antz1970 on August 04, 2009, 10:13:00 PM
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=689567
Post by: halleluia on August 04, 2009, 10:27:00 PM
QUOTE(antz1970 @ Aug 5 2009, 09:43 AM)
yeah i misread it like that at first too , however it looks like carranzafp and geremia are onto something tho
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=689567
I bet those guys are on to something
"Expect Good News Soon !!! (not too soon so we can give time to those who have the decrypted fw can release it earlier)."
Post by: xboxer360 on August 04, 2009, 10:29:00 PM
Post by: Mhawk134 on August 05, 2009, 01:18:00 AM
Hawk
Post by: hetster on August 05, 2009, 03:40:00 AM
geremia is there any way to send you a donation of $42 ?
i would MUCH rather donate annonymously to your cause than that idiot rip off merchant terry..
This post has been edited by hetster: Aug 5 2009, 10:40 AM
Post by: bOf on August 05, 2009, 03:49:00 AM
QUOTE(mupet0000 @ Aug 5 2009, 03:24 AM)
I agree completely. The price of a chip goes towards covering parts and assembly - unless foundmy.com are putting serious time and effort into laboriously hand-editing each and every key, the $42 pricetag cannot be justified. Saying "well, he has the software and you don't" just doesn't cut it.
Its like, if you needed a screw to fix your car, and that screw cost $1 to buy, and some guy comes along offers to sell you it for $300 simply because he knows you need it...
^ That's a f*cking rip-off, mate. It's exploitative. The bloke selling that screw is a slimy, greedy, weazel-faced prick! And that's exactly how I feel about the twats at foundmy.com right now.
Yeah I feel the same and I also don't have one of those drives.
I also share this view, this is ridiculous!
Post by: run187 on August 05, 2009, 04:42:00 AM
I would be willing to give the jf people money yes or the people who bring us the firmware i also would be happy to pay this found my site for some tool to get the data but 42 dolars for 2 minutes work and a fucking email that is a complete rip off ..
Post by: ps2moduk on August 05, 2009, 07:10:00 AM
Post by: agentm on August 05, 2009, 07:51:00 AM
QUOTE(ps2moduk @ Aug 5 2009, 02:10 PM)
Looks like Foundmy's money making venture is over before it has even begun. Seems redboxmodds has already removed the DVDKey83 Retrieval Service.
Yep, seems to have been dropped from redboxmodds, but usbxtractor.eu haven't followed yet.
Post by: halo2jumper on August 05, 2009, 07:52:00 AM
Fail for THX
QUOTE(XbotWiz)
Good News!
I'll keep this short and sweet but basically we WILL be releasing a FREE solution for the Liteon 83850c within the next two weeks (19/8/09), our new team (still recruiting too) have already successfully obtained the key from the drive and flashed back to it with no issues at all on twelve 360's,
This is our plan:
We will be releasing this solution totally free as it should be (charging for this service is a pi*s take), before we release this out to the public we are going to ask for around 50 "testers" who will be given the chance to get this solution early and report back to the team of any issues that we need to fix before release, please send me a pm to be a tester, we will have 25 places open for xbox-scene members.
The ONLY thing we ask in return will be for donations IF and ONLY IF you think we deserve a donation AFTER you have used the new tools, there will be no forced payments or silly fee's to get your keys!
We will also be trying to contact c4eva to see if we can come to some sort of agreement so we can release the solution in with a slightly revised iextreme 1.6/jungleflasher, if not we will do this without them as we already have our own software in beta which offers the same features as JF.
Iriez forgets to mention that there are MANY other teams out there that have the talent, experience and contacts to match the work already done except we will NOT charge for it simple as that.
Important:
If this thread/post gets deleted you can find us over on a few other well known 360 hacking sites....
Look forward to working with some of you.
Team XWizX
I'll keep this short and sweet but basically we WILL be releasing a FREE solution for the Liteon 83850c within the next two weeks (19/8/09), our new team (still recruiting too) have already successfully obtained the key from the drive and flashed back to it with no issues at all on twelve 360's,
This is our plan:
We will be releasing this solution totally free as it should be (charging for this service is a pi*s take), before we release this out to the public we are going to ask for around 50 "testers" who will be given the chance to get this solution early and report back to the team of any issues that we need to fix before release, please send me a pm to be a tester, we will have 25 places open for xbox-scene members.
The ONLY thing we ask in return will be for donations IF and ONLY IF you think we deserve a donation AFTER you have used the new tools, there will be no forced payments or silly fee's to get your keys!
We will also be trying to contact c4eva to see if we can come to some sort of agreement so we can release the solution in with a slightly revised iextreme 1.6/jungleflasher, if not we will do this without them as we already have our own software in beta which offers the same features as JF.
Iriez forgets to mention that there are MANY other teams out there that have the talent, experience and contacts to match the work already done except we will NOT charge for it simple as that.
Important:
If this thread/post gets deleted you can find us over on a few other well known 360 hacking sites....
Look forward to working with some of you.
Team XWizX
Post by: majinsoftware on August 05, 2009, 07:56:00 AM
This post has been edited by majinsoftware: Aug 5 2009, 03:07 PM
Post by: tokyodrifte on August 05, 2009, 08:00:00 AM
Oh and i dont think we all need educating by you.
The true hackers will do there work now. You can stop your advertising.
Post by: ps2moduk on August 05, 2009, 08:21:00 AM
One thing i would stress is that whoever comes out with the first free solution gets the reward they deserve and every modder out there should give a small donation to them.
I do not mod that many (repair tons but very few want the flashing done) but i will be passing on a donation to the team that brings out a free alternative. I am sure a lot of others will do the same.
Post by: majinsoftware on August 05, 2009, 08:29:00 AM
Post by: XbotWiz on August 05, 2009, 08:32:00 AM
QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Aug 5 2009, 03:29 PM)
All 83850c drives ill do ill donate 50% that I make wont be much tho 5-10 dollars nz donations lol only about $6us.
What we will be hoping to do is use all donations to form a larger team and use every penny for the development of new programs and to ensure all future releases are kept FREE,
But again, donations will be optional and only if you like the solution we are going to be offering,
P.S, got a threat already
Post by: hetster on August 05, 2009, 08:33:00 AM
they left it way too late to deny any links with foundmy.com. in fact the more they openly advertised this site the worse the conspiracy theories got.
i fear that anything that THX does from this point forward or anything that iriez says from this point forward will only fall on deaf ears. and the ears that do listen will be very sceptical.
its a shame that all the work THX has done over the years is going to backfire so badly because of a few comments from iriez and lack of comments from THX themselves.
its funny how a few wrong words or misplaced words and completely misjuding the scenes reaction can have such a drastic effect.
i do feel sorry for them becuase i can allmost garuntee that this new team (however talented they are or wether they are just copy and paste merchants) will probably recieve in 24 hours worth of donations more than foundmy.com will have made in total. i hope THX funds dont dry up completely but i fear they will.
this whole situation remionds me so much of the marcan / bushing / waninkoko battle for the wii..within 24 hours marcan went from wii demi god to a total T**T by the community for comments made and thinking he owned the scene..
whoever comes with the solution i really hope THX decides to appoint a new spokesperson lol..one who understands the scene from a scener point of view.
Post by: XbotWiz on August 05, 2009, 08:57:00 AM
QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 5 2009, 03:33 PM)
i actualy feel quite sorry for THX and there spokesman iriez now.
they left it way too late to deny any links with foundmy.com. in fact the more they openly advertised this site the worse the conspiracy theories got.
i fear that anything that THX does from this point forward or anything that iriez says from this point forward will only fall on deaf ears. and the ears that do listen will be very sceptical.
its a shame that all the work THX has done over the years is going to backfire so badly because of a few comments from iriez and lack of comments from THX themselves.
its funny how a few wrong words or misplaced words and completely misjuding the scenes reaction can have such a drastic effect.
i do feel sorry for them becuase i can allmost garuntee that this new team (however talented they are or wether they are just copy and paste merchants) will probably recieve in 24 hours worth of donations more than foundmy.com will have made in total. i hope THX funds dont dry up completely but i fear they will.
this whole situation remionds me so much of the marcan / bushing / waninkoko battle for the wii..within 24 hours marcan went from wii demi god to a total T**T by the community for comments made and thinking he owned the scene..
whoever comes with the solution i really hope THX decides to appoint a new spokesperson lol..one who understands the scene from a scener point of view.
You speak a lot of sense hetster...
Post by: NoZart on August 05, 2009, 09:07:00 AM
better entertainment then the average soap opera (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: SatanUk on August 05, 2009, 10:01:00 AM
QUOTE(XbotWiz @ Aug 5 2009, 03:57 PM)
You speak a lot of sense hetster...
@ XbotWiz please see the thread here Here Thanks m8
Post by: newboxflash on August 05, 2009, 10:17:00 AM
but $42 for a one of key is to high for me, if your desperate for the hack then you've gotta pay simple
if not wait like we all did when the lite on drive was released i had mine 4-5 months then the good news came
id donate to jungle anytime - great service
Post by: Romps on August 05, 2009, 11:31:00 AM
THX have given u how long of a free ride..
I think its about time they got what they deserve maybe if all u "i will donate when/if its free" should of thought about that when it was free..
And as for team wiz wtf are u are waiting for there is no need for a new flashing app, only a way to get the key..
Less chat more proof
Im sure if i had a new liteon and wanted to save 60 bucks a game id pay $42 no probs, as ive used xtreme/ixtreme from day 1 $42 is nothing considering what u get for it...
Post by: XbotWiz on August 05, 2009, 11:53:00 AM
QUOTE(Romps @ Aug 5 2009, 06:31 PM)
WOW where does all this hate come from..
THX have given u how long of a free ride..
I think its about time they got what they deserve maybe if all u "i will donate when/if its free" should of thought about that when it was free..
Absolute rubbish, $42 for a key is ok for you then yeah? why don't you go and buy one from Foundmy.Com then? I have a feeling you will be one of the only ones.....
QUOTE(Romps @ Aug 5 2009, 06:31 PM)
And as for team wiz wtf are u are waiting for there is no need for a new flashing app, only a way to get the key..
Less chat more proof
Maybe you should read my previous posts before talking out your @ss.
Post by: Romps on August 05, 2009, 11:55:00 AM
QUOTE(XbotWiz @ Aug 5 2009, 04:53 PM)
Maybe you should read my previous posts before talking out your @ss.
Post by: ps2moduk on August 05, 2009, 12:17:00 PM
Anybody who wants to pay $42 for a simple process can go ahead. Myself as i have not got a new liteon will wait and i expect any customer will wait a week or so for a free workaround to surface.
Post by: XbotWiz on August 05, 2009, 12:17:00 PM
QUOTE(Romps @ Aug 5 2009, 06:55 PM)
Yes i read the previous posts and it seems to me there is only one talking out of there ass here..
LMAO, getting touchy I see, maybe your in on the whole "lets charge $42 for a key" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
This post has been edited by XbotWiz: Aug 5 2009, 07:18 PM
Post by: Romps on August 05, 2009, 12:22:00 PM
QUOTE(ps2moduk @ Aug 5 2009, 05:17 PM)
The flashing app is made to work with the new key retrieval process used at foundmy. Wiz may have a different process that does not work with jungleflasher etc.
Anybody who wants to pay $42 for a simple process can go ahead. Myself as i have not got a new liteon will wait and i expect any customer will wait a week or so for a free workaround to surface.
You are far from the truth there if u read my post i dont in anyway or form say i agree with $42 only that $42 is not bad considering what u get and for most what they have allready had..
And the charge is not in question here, Your announcement of been able to give the FREE solution to the new liteon with no backup is.
QUOTE(XbotWiz @ Aug 5 2009, 05:17 PM)
LMAO, getting touchy I see, maybe your in on the whole "lets charge $42 for a key" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
Post by: SatanUk on August 05, 2009, 12:33:00 PM
if you actually do know what you are doing please decrypt the msg in this thread http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?sho...p;#entry4515993
Proof is in the pudding
Post by: XbotWiz on August 05, 2009, 12:52:00 PM
QUOTE(Romps @ Aug 5 2009, 07:22 PM)
And the charge is not in question here, Your announcement of been able to give the FREE solution to the new liteon with no backup is.
So will you be apologising when your proven wrong then?
QUOTE(SatanUk @ Aug 5 2009, 07:33 PM)
XbotWiz
if you actually do know what you are doing please decrypt the msg in this thread http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?sho...p;#entry4515993
Proof is in the pudding
I've already replied in that thread (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Post by: Heimdall on August 05, 2009, 12:55:00 PM
QUOTE(SatanUk @ Aug 5 2009, 07:33 PM)
Proof is in the pudding
I'm sure you mean "The proof of the pudding is in the eating". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Post by: Romps on August 05, 2009, 12:58:00 PM
QUOTE(XbotWiz @ Aug 5 2009, 05:52 PM)
So will you be apologising when your proven wrong then?
Apologise for asking u too show proof ? sure
U have replied to the other thread yes and have allso been asked to post the message..
So post that message and put peoples mind to rest that its worth waiting for you/team to rls your apps
Post by: XbotWiz on August 05, 2009, 01:02:00 PM
QUOTE(SatanUk @ Aug 5 2009, 07:33 PM)
Proof is in the pudding
What kind of pudding you got there? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
QUOTE(Romps @ Aug 5 2009, 07:58 PM)
So post that message and put peoples mind to rest that its worth waiting for you/team to rls your apps
No one is making you wait for our team, it's up to you what you decide to do to get your key and it's also upto you if you want to trust us or not, it's no problem for us either way,
I have already stated our plans, testing details and release date details, there really isn't much more to give out at this time, and yes, proof is in the pudding and in this case the pudding is our toolkit which will be FREE for everyone to use...
This post has been edited by XbotWiz: Aug 5 2009, 08:03 PM
Post by: hetster on August 05, 2009, 01:09:00 PM
if you want a solution now and are not willing to wait then go and pay the $42 and cross your fingers and hope you get your key and dont get your credit card cloned at the same time lol...
i really dont care if this works or not as the outcome will be the same..if they succeed then foundmy.com will not see a penny of my money..if they dont succeed and there is no free method foundmy.com will still see none of my money..
so i am quite happy to wait it out with nothing but hope and admiration for people who can do the things i cant (that doesnt include iriez lol as ANYONE can become a con artist and a scammer).
good luck with what you are doing..there should be no pressure and if something comes to light that means you really shouldnt release the method then so be it..at least you have shown 1 thing and that is $42 is way too much for a service that is far from exclusive and from a method that isnt half as hard as other groups have made out..
Post by: Romps on August 05, 2009, 01:20:00 PM
What was those plans again ? i cant seem to find your earlier posts, but i remember u saying something about talking to teamjungle and c4e about adding the soloution the ix/jf...
QUOTE(XbotWiz @ Aug 5 2009, 06:02 PM)
I have already stated our plans, testing details and release date details, there really isn't much more to give out at this time, and yes, proof is in the pudding and in this case the pudding is our toolkit which will be FREE for everyone to use...
Why does foundmy and $42 have to come into every conversation im sure many got over that one like 16 pages ago...
QUOTE(hetster @ Aug 5 2009, 06:09 PM)
ignore the doubters lol..
if you want a solution now and are not willing to wait then go and pay the $42 and cross your fingers and hope you get your key and dont get your credit card cloned at the same time lol...
i really dont care if this works or not as the outcome will be the same..if they succeed then foundmy.com will not see a penny of my money..if they dont succeed and there is no free method foundmy.com will still see none of my money..
so i am quite happy to wait it out with nothing but hope and admiration for people who can do the things i cant (that doesnt include iriez lol as ANYONE can become a con artist and a scammer).
good luck with what you are doing..there should be no pressure and if something comes to light that means you really shouldnt release the method then so be it..at least you have shown 1 thing and that is $42 is way too much for a service that is far from exclusive and from a method that isnt half as hard as other groups have made out..
Post by: Cymker on August 05, 2009, 03:14:00 PM
Personally i have no problem with paying someone for work they do... no matter who it goes to... imo they earned it regardless of how its being distributed!
I am fortunate to be old enough to have a job that pay's me well... judging from the calibre of several posts on here it would not be unreasonable to suggest that most of the posters are not old enough to hold full time paid employment.
If you want to fix the drive now then go ahead and pay your cash. You earn it... you decide where to spend it and perhaps consider also that someone has earned the right to charge for an item they spent many hours developing.
On the issue of earned cash I wonder just how many of the flamers are playing their personal "backups" or other peoples backups...? Stop whining and pay a seconds consideration to the $'s that you all have "backed up" and the developers who would appreciate your support in their item!!!!!
As is seen so often in .nfo's... "if you like it, buy it". Same here... Support the time and effort put into the development of a means to an end.
Finally, if you don't like the idea of whats going on at foundmy... then show your dissatisfaction with 'silence'... PLEASE!
This post has been edited by Cymker: Aug 5 2009, 10:14 PM
Post by: Jbasto on August 05, 2009, 03:19:00 PM
QUOTE(Cymker @ Aug 5 2009, 05:14 PM)
Just FYI... The key i got from foundmy is legit and works 100% with JF.
flamers are playing their personal "backups" or other peoples backups...?
As is seen so often in .nfo's... "if you like it, buy it". Same here... Support the time and effort put into the development of a means to an end.
Well see i wouldnt since i would trust them w/ my CC or key info as if they would get raided or etc they have my info.
Now second for the looks of it your one of the people that D/l games and never do a back up of your own.
Post by: Cymker on August 05, 2009, 03:21:00 PM
2nd fact. The purchase of the file is perfectly legit to have.
muchos grassyarse btw! Hopefully this debacle shall end before the next 26 pages.
Post by: cr1x on August 05, 2009, 03:28:00 PM
Post by: Cymker on August 05, 2009, 03:33:00 PM
Good luck all. Ty to whomever sorted my key for me!
Post by: cr1x on August 05, 2009, 03:36:00 PM
QUOTE(Cymker @ Aug 5 2009, 10:33 PM)
At the risk of getting drawn in... Doubt on... i have nothing to prove here!
Good luck all. Ty to whomever sorted my key for me!
No i doubt this debate will stop, it will carry on until a free solution is found.
This post has been edited by cr1x: Aug 5 2009, 10:37 PM
Post by: X-hacker on August 05, 2009, 06:06:00 PM
Talk about milking it... This is EXACTLY how the GSM scene is dominated. People offering simple solutions to milk money from people...
ITS SICK
Post by: Cisk on August 05, 2009, 08:12:00 PM
QUOTE(X-hacker @ Aug 6 2009, 01:06 AM)
What a f**kin rip-off!
Talk about milking it... This is EXACTLY how the GSM scene is dominated. People offering simple solutions to milk money from people...
ITS SICK
Well Germia and maximus have put an end to this nonsense!
Freekey
Great work from them.
This post has been edited by Cisk: Aug 6 2009, 03:12 AM