Post by: podger on August 04, 2008, 04:55:00 PM
1. try a new sata cable in case it's broken
2. if you are powering from the 360, make sure the chassis are joined, either by making them touch or better with some croc clips and wire....
3. check if the controller is in RAID mode, this could make incompatble with optixal drives....
Post by: swampy1111 on August 04, 2008, 07:37:00 PM
Post by: sexbox369 on August 05, 2008, 05:23:00 AM
QUOTE(swampy1111 @ Aug 5 2008, 03:13 AM) 
try not switching the drive on untill the writing starts scrolling down the screen in slax
That was the first method i tried when following textbooks video tutorial and it didnt work
Post by: slimgrip on August 05, 2008, 07:51:00 AM
Ive had the odd few 78's give me the same problem your having in the past, wont go into modeB on the VIA 8237 but will on my SIL3114. Obviously not safe to flash on the SIL though.
Im sure ill probably encounter a few 79's give me the same issue & its a pain in the ass.
Slim
Post by: sexbox369 on August 05, 2008, 05:17:00 PM
QUOTE(slimgrip @ Aug 5 2008, 03:27 PM)
I just did a 79fl on my VIA VT8237 chipset (onboard)
Ive had the odd few 78's give me the same problem your having in the past, wont go into modeB on the VIA 8237 but will on my SIL3114. Obviously not safe to flash on the SIL though.
Im sure ill probably encounter a few 79's give me the same issue & its a pain in the ass.
Slim
Any chance we could get our heads together to see if i can get this figured out?
Post by: OggyUK on August 06, 2008, 12:08:00 AM
QUOTE(sexbox369 @ Aug 6 2008, 12:53 AM)
Any chance we could get our heads together to see if i can get this figured out?
VIA chipsets and Hitachi's have always had issues.
Right from 0046's
Post by: slimgrip on August 06, 2008, 10:54:00 AM
Post by: OggyUK on August 06, 2008, 11:34:00 AM
I found with my VIA in my old setup, I had to power some drives at the vmu linuzboot...........
Its the first or second line in Slax's boot process.
Post by: Germany 1 on August 06, 2008, 12:33:00 PM
first of all sorry for my bad english.
i got the same chipset and here is my solution i hope it work`s also for you.
you have to use the tools from Prodgers Soft Unlock
1 connect your 360 drive to the pc.(use the internal power supply from the 360)
2 power on your 360 and open the dvd tray put in the wave disk from Prodger.
3 Start your pc with slax 2.1 wait for the message mode b tray to close the tray by hand (do not use the
the open/close button from the drive) if it will not close everything is ok push it till it`s closed then
use the drive button the drive will lock and the powerled will start flashing.
4 start your pc once your pc is started go to workplace and look for the drive with a wave sign
that is your 360 drive start the wave file and let it play till the end then start the file again and stop it
immediately open the tray take out the disk and use prodger`s soft unlock 79
5 take a dvd movie put it in the dvd drive and close the drive if the drive spit out the dvd push the
open/close button on the dvd drive a several time then let the drive time to read the disk if the powerled
from the 360 start to flashing again you can use toolbox 4.60 to read the key and flash the 360 drive.
( it could be that you have to push the open/close button very often before the drive will keep the disk inside)
Good Luck
JD
Post by: b-wiener on August 06, 2008, 01:03:00 PM
QUOTE(Germany 1 @ Aug 6 2008, 08:09 PM)
Hello All,
first of all sorry for my bad english.
i got the same chipset and here is my solution i hope it work`s also for you.
you have to use the tools from Prodgers Soft Unlock
1 connect your 360 drive to the pc.(use the internal power supply from the 360)
2 power on your 360 and open the dvd tray put in the wave disk from Prodger.
3 Start your pc with slax 2.1 wait for the message mode b tray to close the tray by hand (do not use the
the open/close button from the drive) if it will not close everything is ok push it till it`s closed then
use the drive button the drive will lock and the powerled will start flashing.
4 start your pc once your pc is started go to workplace and look for the drive with a wave sign
that is your 360 drive start the wave file and let it play till the end then start the file again and stop it
immediately open the tray take out the disk and use prodger`s soft unlock 79
5 take a dvd movie put it in the dvd drive and close the drive if the drive spit out the dvd push the
open/close button on the dvd drive a several time then let the drive time to read the disk if the powerled
from the 360 start to flashing again you can use toolbox 4.60 to read the key and flash the 360 drive.
( it could be that you have to push the open/close button very often before the drive will keep the disk inside)
Good Luck
JD
Thanks for the reply Germany but the problem is my drive won't go into mode B. Slax doesn't seem to even detect it. I'll have to try better timing with power button or get a different SATA chipset.
oops sorry, I never noticed that you mentioned to put the Wav disk in first before I even load Slax. Did this really work for you? I will try as soon as I can. Thanks for the advice!!!
Post by: OggyUK on August 06, 2008, 01:32:00 PM
Everyone has different setups, and in no way is any suggestion listed above a bad one.
Post by: b-wiener on August 06, 2008, 02:09:00 PM
QUOTE(Germany 1 @ Aug 6 2008, 09:24 PM)
Hello b-wiener,
yes that work`s for me.
if i try it like everyone my 360 goes not in mode b.
power up the 360 open the tray put in the the wave disk do not close the tray start slax 2.1
jd
This might be a stupid question but if I don't close the tray then why do I even put the Wav disc in there? How is this different from having no disk in the tray with the tray open?
Post by: Germany 1 on August 06, 2008, 02:39:00 PM
the difference is that you will loose the mode b ervery time you open the dvd tray from the 360
thats why you have to open close the drive so often when you put in the dvd to read the key after you have done the soft mod from podger.(so put in the wave disk in the beginning will save time and nerves)
jd
Post by: Germany 1 on August 06, 2008, 03:32:00 PM
i will try to explain again.
1 connect the 360 to pc
2 turn on the 360 open the tray put in the wave file and don`t close the tray
3 start your pc with slax 2.1 wait for the massege mode b try to close the tray by hand(that you have to due
to check if the drive will go in mode b if the drive will not close when you push the tray it will be ok)
4 now close the tray by hand und press then the button on the 360 drive for open/close the tray it is now
loked the powerled on your 360 will start blinking.
5 start your pc, once started go to workplace the 360 drive will have the wave sign start the wave file and let
it play till the end start the file again and stop it directly now open the drive take out the disk and start
podger`s dos tool to unlock the drive.(when you open the drive you will see that the powerled will stop
blinking that will always happen when you open the drive you lost mode
6 put in a dvd movie and close the tray you will see that disk will spit out because the drive has lost the
mode b now you have to open/close a several time the tray using the button from the 360 drive.
(if you open/closethe drive don`t give him time to read the disk due that a several time
i can`t explain why but that put my drive back in mode
7 now use toolbox 4.6 the get key
( i am not a pro but i tried to flash the drive with several pc chipset`s nforce intel and always the 360 will not
go in mode b with slax only to let open the drive before starting slax will help maybe someone can confirm this)
sorry again for my bad english
jd
Post by: b-wiener on August 06, 2008, 04:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Germany 1 @ Aug 6 2008, 11:08 PM)
Hello B-Wiener,
i will try to explain again.
1 connect the 360 to pc
2 turn on the 360 open the tray put in the wave file and don`t close the tray
3 start your pc with slax 2.1 wait for the massege mode b try to close the tray by hand(that you have to due
to check if the drive will go in mode b if the drive will not close when you push the tray it will be ok)
4 now close the tray by hand und press then the button on the 360 drive for open/close the tray it is now
loked the powerled on your 360 will start blinking.
5 start your pc, once started go to workplace the 360 drive will have the wave sign start the wave file and let
it play till the end start the file again and stop it directly now open the drive take out the disk and start
podger`s dos tool to unlock the drive.(when you open the drive you will see that the powerled will stop
blinking that will always happen when you open the drive you lost mode
6 put in a dvd movie and close the tray you will see that disk will spit out because the drive has lost the
mode b now you have to open/close a several time the tray using the button from the 360 drive.
(if you open/closethe drive don`t give him time to read the disk due that a several time
i can`t explain why but that put my drive back in mode
7 now use toolbox 4.6 the get key
( i am not a pro but i tried to flash the drive with several pc chipset`s nforce intel and always the 360 will not
go in mode b with slax only to let open the drive before starting slax will help maybe someone can confirm this)
sorry again for my bad english
jd
I appreciate the help. I understand your instructions but I just can't get the mode b message. It just keeps going to the login screen. You did this with the 8237 SATA chipset? I tried your instructions many times and it just won't go into mode B.
Post by: Germany 1 on August 06, 2008, 04:43:00 PM
yes i use my mainboard msi K9VGM-V (VIA® K8M890 and VT8237A Chipset)
JD
Hello B-Wiener,
what dvd drive do you have 79 FL or 79 FK ?
i got a 79 FL
jd
Post by: b-wiener on August 06, 2008, 06:13:00 PM
Post by: Germany 1 on August 06, 2008, 06:17:00 PM
i am afraid to ask but do you let power on after you open the 360 drive?
jd
Post by: slimgrip on August 06, 2008, 06:19:00 PM
QUOTE(b-wiener @ Aug 7 2008, 12:03 AM)
I appreciate the help. I understand your instructions but I just can't get the mode b message. It just keeps going to the login screen. You did this with the 8237 SATA chipset? I tried your instructions many times and it just won't go into mode B.
Ignore the onscreen messages, when it takes 2 clicks of the eject button to open or close the tray then you know its in ModeB.
Post by: sexbox369 on August 06, 2008, 10:55:00 PM
QUOTE(b-wiener @ Aug 7 2008, 02:52 AM)
Also, I'd like to note that the PC's bios does know when the drive is connected and powered since it hangs for a bit when i do this. When I turn on the drive power right at the start of the slax boot the PC boots quicker since the bios didn't see the drive. Slax detects the 8237 Sata chipset but i don't think it's sees the drive.
I have noticed this too. If I boot up the pc with the drive connected and powered up, it hangs at the motherboard splash screen for a while.
Also, if the drive is picked up correctly, should I expect to see it in the bios? Or is it normal for it to not show in the bios?
I think I might go ahead and try and older version of slax tomorrow, see if that helps.
Post by: podger on August 07, 2008, 03:01:00 AM
Have you disabled RAID on you controller in BIOS......
As you say the drive does not show in bios... then 2 things are wrong, you got unlucky and just got a marginal 79
OR
the chipset is in RAID mode and as such is ignoring Optical devices...
Do you have any other Sata Optical drive connected that you can see fine..
Post by: podger on August 07, 2008, 05:12:00 AM
QUOTE(sexbox369 @ Aug 7 2008, 11:18 AM)
What do you mean by a marginal 79?
On occassion these drives refuse to work with particular chipsets.. Via IS usually the best..
Most modders have come accross these, for example most 47/59 won't work with my Via6421 no matter what you do, in this case I use a USB 2 SATA adapter, others use a Sil3112... Unfortunately, toolbox is picky and it won't work with USB and bricks drive with SIL3112....
If you can try your drive in a PC with an Nforce4 or Intel chipset ( non - Raid ), or buy a Via6421 PCI card ....... You have exhausted all options with your setup
Post by: slimgrip on August 07, 2008, 05:13:00 AM
QUOTE(sexbox369 @ Aug 7 2008, 12:18 PM)
What do you mean by a marginal 79?
Ive yet to come across a "marginal" 79 but ive had about three Hitachi78s that just wont play ball on my 8237
sometimes i switch them to the VIA6421 & they go ModeB fine, others wont work on either.
Had this problem with several Hiatchi47 drives too but they will safely flash on my SIL3114.
Marginal 78s & 79's cannot be flashed on SIL chipsets even though i can get them into ModeB easily as FWtoolbox isnt compatible with them.
Post by: podger on August 07, 2008, 06:26:00 AM
But if slax ( Linux ) won't see the 79 on your SATA I really doubt if Windows will.....
Post by: sexbox369 on August 07, 2008, 02:53:00 PM
QUOTE(podger @ Aug 7 2008, 02:02 PM)
Slax 2.1 will work with USB2SATA... except when the drive has been spoofed, but usually they drives are hack so it ain't an issue....
But if slax ( Linux ) won't see the 79 on your SATA I really doubt if Windows will.....
Well, i got into mode b using sata 2 usb and slax 2.1. Then proceeded to boot into windows and saw that the drive was detected up. I carried on with the process, inserted the unlock cd and played the wav then opened up 79unlock on e drive.........and it threw an error at me. Ive forgot what the error was but i think it was something to do with not being able to write to the drive. I still had a go at dumping the firmware, but it wouldnt have it. Firmware toolbox hung for a quite a while then popped up with a "cannot read from drive" message. Is there any particular reason that the drive cant be written to (with the 79unlock) when using sata to usb and can you suggest any solutions? Thanks!
I also attempted turning off the pc and moved the sata cable over to the sata port, but the drive still wasnt detected in windows.