Post by: shauno on April 21, 2008, 03:12:00 AM
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from this point on, anyone who says
1. when will the firmware be ready
2. how can i get a new system without a liteon drive
3. what drive is in my system
4. does anyone have the ability to contact c4e directly
5. can we just flash the lite-on with the benq firmware
6. something stupid/useless/not constructive
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this being said, i just want to explicitly say, those of you posting the c4e irc logs, great work. those are actually useful and give everyone a straight from the horses mouth update.
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Hi today i recieved a console back from microsoft repair center in Australia, it had a BENQ drive which didnt seem to flash via dosflash. Apon inspection i believe i have found a new drive revision!
Model no. DG-16D2S
HW Version. A0A1
FW Version. 74850C
(IMG:http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll88/sl4y3r666/21042008079.jpg)
I would be willing to loan/donate the drive to C4E, if he would like to contact me about it via PM
Cheers
Sl4y3r
This post has been edited by Reaper527: Nov 17 2008, 04:21 AM
Post by: podger on April 21, 2008, 02:53:00 AM
Have you opened it.... A picture/scan of the pcb might indicate if it completely new or just a revision...
Post by: shauno on April 21, 2008, 03:12:00 AM
QUOTE(podger @ Apr 21 2008, 06:59 PM) 
Have you tried to dump the firmware with dosflash ???
Have you opened it.... A picture/scan of the pcb might indicate if it completely new or just a revision...
Dosflash doesnt read, it gets to the usual y/n to resend commands. Hit Y it will do the normal 51/D1 when I cut power and turn it back on, then the code changes to 52/D2 and will not read. I have flashed manier Benq before with no problems, Here is a photo of the PCB, which confirms a new model
Post by: podger on April 21, 2008, 04:11:00 AM
I doubt it, but is the board double-sided... any parts on the bottom side
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Post by: shauno on April 21, 2008, 03:46:00 AM
QUOTE(podger @ Apr 21 2008, 07:41 PM)
What's more I don't see a flash device....
I doubt it, but is the board sided... any parts on the bottom side
No parts on the other side.... as you can see theres clear epoxy around the MT1319L chip which would indicate where the FW is stored:) although im no hardware expert
Also noticed the manufacturers are Phillips and Lite-on, not Phillips and BenQ like on the VAD6038
Post by: |VorteX| on April 21, 2008, 04:28:00 AM
QUOTE(shauno @ Apr 21 2008, 11:22 AM) 
No parts on the other side.... as you can see theres clear epoxy around the MT1319L chip which would indicate where the FW is stored:) although im no hardware expert (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
so is that a rom chip ? where are the electronics guys ?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: podger on April 21, 2008, 04:30:00 AM
Post by: shauno on April 21, 2008, 05:03:00 AM
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Post by: |VorteX| on April 21, 2008, 05:10:00 AM
QUOTE(shauno @ Apr 21 2008, 12:03 PM)
So the discoverer gets naming rights, correct? i shall call her BastQ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But I guess this should be the Lite On (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
your name will be forever tied in shame with the end of the 360 flashable era
Post by: podger on April 21, 2008, 05:33:00 AM
Post by: caster420 on April 21, 2008, 05:38:00 AM
QUOTE(shauno @ Apr 21 2008, 06:22 AM)
No parts on the other side.... as you can see theres clear epoxy around the MT1319L chip which would indicate where the FW is stored:) although im no hardware expert (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Also noticed the manufacturers are Phillips and Lite-on, not Phillips and BenQ like on the VAD6038
MT1319L is the drive controller, similar to the MT1359SL that is on the BenQ drive.
Can you take a clearer pic of the top and bottom of the board please.
Thanks,
Caster.
Post by: caster420 on April 21, 2008, 06:00:00 AM
Also, the drive functions perfectly fine in the console, correct? Plays originals fine, etc...?
Thanks,
Caster.
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Post by: podger on April 21, 2008, 06:04:00 AM
Post by: shauno on April 21, 2008, 06:22:00 AM
New BenQ
Edit: BTW The tray is the same as a Benq
Post by: roboguy on April 21, 2008, 07:10:00 AM
Post by: caster420 on April 21, 2008, 07:15:00 AM
QUOTE(roboguy @ Apr 21 2008, 09:10 AM)
What console do you have? Core, premium, elite.....?
Doesnt really matter. It came back from the repair center like this, so one would think its only a matter of time before we start seeing them come in new consoles.Caster.
Post by: podger on April 21, 2008, 07:53:00 AM
There seems to be few Lite-On drives on the firmware page with very similar part numbers i.e. DH-16D2P, and also some of the OEM's offer patches for their models...
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Post by: Iriez on April 21, 2008, 09:02:00 AM
QUOTE(podger @ Apr 21 2008, 08:53 AM)
@Caster, Unless, it gets cracked really quicky, M$ might cancel the order and get more 79's....
There seems to be few Lite-On drives on the firmware page with very similar part numbers i.e. DH-16D2P, and also some of the OEM's offer patches for their models...
v79's are history. MS now has a vendor agreement with lite-on. Wont happen.
Post by: roboguy on April 21, 2008, 09:41:00 AM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Apr 21 2008, 04:02 PM)
v79's are history. MS now has a vendor agreement with lite-on. Wont happen.
thank god
Post by: podger on April 21, 2008, 10:12:00 AM
Sometimes, it's better the devil you know...
At least you can mod a 79,
the Benq first arrived in late '06, it was august before the average individual could extract a DVD key and the end of October before C4eva first firmware arrived....
If I got a console with one of these drives today I be pretty pissed
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Post by: cory1492 on April 21, 2008, 02:03:00 PM
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Post by: thepwnage on April 21, 2008, 02:01:00 PM
Compare the DG-16D2S model number with this Lite-On drive. I bet that this drive might just be the next kreon drive.
http://us.liteonit.c...n...5&Itemid=99
Post by: x-dream on April 21, 2008, 03:28:00 PM
QUOTE(thepwnage @ Apr 21 2008, 10:37 PM)
What if the chip manufacturers and Microsoft just made a BGA chip. Then you couldn't get at the pins w/o a shit load of work and effort.
Compare the DG-16D2S model number with this Lite-On drive. I bet that this drive might just be the next kreon drive.
http://us.liteonit.com/us/index.php?option...5&Itemid=99
nice find.. anyone have this drive?
Post by: roboguy on April 21, 2008, 03:36:00 PM
Good Point
Post by: asapreta on April 21, 2008, 03:48:00 PM
Post by: podger on April 21, 2008, 03:42:00 PM
QUOTE(thepwnage @ Apr 21 2008, 07:37 PM)
What if the chip manufacturers and Microsoft just made a BGA chip. Then you couldn't get at the pins w/o a shit load of work and effort.
Can't see them using a BGA package in an effort to stop modders... Those BGA packages way are more expensive than the TQFP, you would only use them where space is an issue ( like 3g ), space just isn't an issue on this PCB and the 144 pin pincount is too low...
Post by: caster420 on April 21, 2008, 04:31:00 PM
QUOTE(x-dream @ Apr 21 2008, 04:28 PM)
nice find.. anyone have this drive?
Yes. This drive has a MT1309E controller and has an SPI flash. So, different controller than the drive above and Samsung/BenQ drives.
Caster.
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Post by: thepwnage on April 21, 2008, 05:28:00 PM
QUOTE(podger @ Apr 21 2008, 06:18 PM)
Can't see them using a BGA package in an effort to stop modders... Those BGA packages way are more expensive than the TQFP, you would only use them where space is an issue ( like 3g ), space just isn't an issue on this PCB and the 144 pin pincount is too low...
Ya, that is what I thought, but in theory, a BGA would stop all "hard" modding efforts, like in the Hitachi 79. The epoxy obviously isn't working out....
QUOTE(caster420 @ Apr 21 2008, 06:31 PM)
Yes. This drive has a MT1309E controller and has an SPI flash.
So, different controller than the drive above and Samsung/BenQ drives.
Caster.
Ah shit, that is what I thought, but still, model number is one letter off...thought it was worth a shot.
Post by: xboxer360 on April 21, 2008, 08:35:00 PM
Post by: KPunk on April 21, 2008, 08:43:00 PM
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Post by: mduga on April 21, 2008, 08:57:00 PM
I wonder how long before they will be putting these drives into new consoles.
Post by: RoboChicken on April 21, 2008, 09:01:00 PM
Post by: BennyBou on April 21, 2008, 09:05:00 PM
All what firmware hacking does is permitting pirates downloading games for free. I doubt most of people using them to backup their games seeing how well privates torrents trackers works!
I want XBMC for 360, that's all!
Post by: HotKnife420 on April 21, 2008, 09:31:00 PM
QUOTE(BennyBou @ Apr 22 2008, 04:05 AM)
I'm a little happy to see this coming. With this drive maybe unflashable I hope famous Xbox 360 hackers will turn their back on firmware flashes to find easier methods to run unsigned code.
All what firmware hacking does is permitting pirates downloading games for free. I doubt most of people using them to backup their games seeing how well privates torrents trackers works!
I want XBMC for 360, that's all!
Ok, but you do realize that c4e hasn't expressed issue in hacking the 360's kernel and/or hv, nor has he given any indication that he possesses the skill to do so. Perhaps you're confusing him with Robinsod or someone else.
Post by: Chrushev on April 21, 2008, 09:40:00 PM
1)
BENQ wasnt hacked right away because there were barelly any of them on the market.. as soon as they became mainstream (july 07) it was hacked in August-Octrober 07... (At least tahts my understanding)...
So if this drive becomes main stream, and is hackable.. i would imagine it getting hacked within 6 months.
2)
I think its too early to speculate about the chip being 1 write only etc... because if you couldnt write to it, you would be at least able to read it. Just like the console reads it. But seeing how people cant read it, means that they arent "talking" to the drive properly.. meaning we prolly need a new version of dosflash or some other utility to "talk" to the drive properly. There has to be a way to at least read the firmware.
3)
Wouldnt this promote chinese mod chip makes to make millions of dollars off of modchips for 360? Because if these drives are unmoddable and 90% of xbox's for sale have these drives.. then i wouldnt be surprised if 360's started getting chipped on regular basis.. like PS2's and Wii's do.
Post by: nike26au on April 21, 2008, 09:49:00 PM
and other from shops it was from core pack
Post by: Mowgli on April 21, 2008, 10:13:00 PM
QUOTE(shauno @ Apr 21 2008, 08:12 PM)
Hi today i recieved a console back from microsoft repair center in Australia, it had a BENQ drive which didnt seem to flash via dosflash. Apon inspection i believe i have found a new drive revision!...
I have some questions unrelated to hacking:
- What was the system repaired for? (RROD, optical drive problems, etc.)
- How does the noise level compare to earlier drives?
Post by: 1212kiwi on April 21, 2008, 10:46:00 PM
Post by: fluidmax on April 21, 2008, 10:50:00 PM
QUOTE(1212kiwi @ Apr 22 2008, 05:46 AM)
I think that these have to be rewritable because there have been cases of a 360 getting the rlod and after repair, having a new mobo. This means that they had to flash the firmware of the drive with the new key.
ya it could be a "write once" chip so it gets married to the mobo in the factory
Post by: sdeens2008 on April 21, 2008, 10:51:00 PM
your forgetting to do somethign even more important than tracking down the data sheets for the controller.
you need to update ASAP the DVD drive database web site with the LOT #'s and manufacturng dates from the outdside of the XBOX360 packing,
please do this right away before we start seeing these sold on the shelf at Best Buy and Fry's electronics and other similar retailers...we don't want people to buy one of these units if it has one of these drives in it; which no doubt should be appearing on gthe shelfs in th every near future...
let save some people the headaches.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
http://www.360drives.com/list
Post by: Maverick-DBZ- on April 21, 2008, 11:20:00 PM
It's probably only a matter of time though before we do see these on retail shelves.
Post by: shauno on April 21, 2008, 10:47:00 PM
Post by: HotKnife420 on April 21, 2008, 11:12:00 PM
QUOTE(fluidmax @ Apr 22 2008, 05:50 AM)
ya it could be a "write once" chip so it gets married to the mobo in the factory
If they did that, they'd only make it harder to fix any systems they recieve. If a chip would indeed be write-once, they wouldn't be able to re-marry a drive (in the event the mobo died, but the drive was still good). I'm pretty convinced that the 360 having a more computer-like essence is saving MS a good chunk of change (compared to if the console was designed more like a PS2).
Post by: teztickles on April 21, 2008, 11:48:00 PM
Sent to Microsoft Australia with a Samsung drive and the 3 RROD error on April 14, got it back on April 21 with the new drive. My old drive however was playing up a little, mainly not ejecting (without knocking on the drive door) when the drive was empty so don't know if that is why it may have been swapped.
Damn..............tez
Post by: steveju on April 22, 2008, 12:16:00 AM
QUOTE(sdeens2008 @ Apr 22 2008, 04:51 AM)
your forgetting to do somethign even more important than tracking down the data sheets for the controller.
you need to update ASAP the DVD drive database web site with the LOT #'s and manufacturng dates from the outdside of the XBOX360 packing
How would you do this without the package for the 360? It was repaired, so none of the details would match the drive with the 360.you need to update ASAP the DVD drive database web site with the LOT #'s and manufacturng dates from the outdside of the XBOX360 packing
This post has been edited by steveju: Apr 22 2008, 07:17 AM
Post by: Team Modfreakz on April 22, 2008, 01:24:00 AM
the controller chip looks like on Samsung SH-D162D drives (MT1308E IDE) or Asus DVD-E616A3 (MT1309E SATA) drives, the SPI ROM is now inside the MT1319L.
I think this is the major difference, so where is no problem at all!! the drives are still flashable.
btw. The same move you will see at Hitachi/LG GDR-H20N (MN103SD6FDA SATA) PC drives. the 256kb flash is now embedded.
who knows, maybe we will see soon new HL v90 drives
Samsung SH-D162D
Asus DVD-E616A3
Hitachi/LG GDR-H20N
Post by: cory1492 on April 22, 2008, 06:26:00 AM
QUOTE(jimbobjim @ Apr 22 2008, 02:45 AM)
I've noticed a few people call it the "new Benq"... it's actually made by Philips & Lite-on digital solutions corporation, so "Lite-on" would be a more appropriate title (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/Lite-On-to-ta...D-business.html
You do know that comparing BenQ and Lite-on is like comparing apples to apples (for at least a year now, before any BenQ drives popped up in 360 afaik)... right?
Post by: jimbobjim on April 22, 2008, 06:12:00 AM
QUOTE(cory1492 @ Apr 22 2008, 01:26 PM)
http://www.cdfreaks....D-business.html
You do know that comparing BenQ and Lite-on is like comparing apples to apples (for at least a year now, before any BenQ drives popped up in 360 afaik)... right?
Yes but it doesn't say Benq anywhere on the drive whereas the old ones do.
I know they are all pretty much the same but I thought it would save confusion by naming this drive a lite-on.
Old Drive
http://pictures.xbox.../Picture013.jpg
New drive
http://i286.photobuc...21042008079.jpg
Basically you could call it either. I'll be calling it a lite-on so I don't get confused.
Post by: warbeast on April 22, 2008, 06:56:00 AM
then the new drives wont need to be flashed with new keys and could infact have the chip read only
Post by: steve1680 on April 22, 2008, 08:19:00 AM
C4eva, Textbook, and Schtrom are probably happy that this drive came out, they were probably getting bored without a new 360 to crack .. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: Dark Seraph on April 22, 2008, 08:33:00 AM
if that is true then this drive is unhackable and probably can only be read once the epoxy is removed and you attach something to read the drive firmware...i dont think it can be read with just firmware....but to be honest this is my worst nightmare and i hope that this isnt what is happening.
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Post by: warbeast on April 22, 2008, 08:46:00 AM
Post by: Dark Seraph on April 22, 2008, 08:52:00 AM
that drive could get a modchip i geuss..thats if iwe can read the firmware.
Post by: Iriez on April 22, 2008, 09:18:00 AM
QUOTE(Team Modfreakz @ Apr 22 2008, 03:00 AM)
My theory! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
the controller chip looks like on Samsung SH-D162D drives (MT1308E IDE) or Asus DVD-E616A3 (MT1309E SATA) drives, the SPI ROM is now inside the MT1319L.
I think this is the major difference, so where is no problem at all!! the drives are still flashable.
btw. The same move you will see at Hitachi/LG GDR-H20N (MN103SD6FDA SATA) PC drives. the 256kb flash is now embedded.
who knows, maybe we will see soon new HL v90 drives (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Ahhh, thanks for giving me some hope TMF! =)
I was thinking the only way we were going to combat a read-only situation was to timing attack/KK/linux/dump dvd-key and inject into a 'modchip' that controls the drive. Not fun!
QUOTE(jimbobjim @ Apr 22 2008, 07:48 AM)
Yes but it doesn't say Benq anywhere on the drive whereas the old ones do.
I know they are all pretty much the same but I thought it would save confusion by naming this drive a lite-on.
Old Drive
http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/benq/Picture013.jpg
New drive
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll88/sl...21042008079.jpg
Basically you could call it either. I'll be calling it a lite-on so I don't get confused.
I agree that it is best to start calling this drive lite-on. Hence why I posted news with 'lite-on' and not 'benq'. They may be the same manufacturer now, but its still a new drive that specifies 'lite-on' and not 'benq'.
Post by: warbeast on April 22, 2008, 09:54:00 AM
QUOTE(Dark Seraph @ Apr 22 2008, 03:52 PM)
wii drives and 360 drives act different completelly...wii drives dont have firmware on them the wii sends instructions to the drive and then the drive does it...the only part the drive has that is firmware i think just tells the actual wii its a valid drive...anyways
that drive could get a modchip i geuss..thats if iwe can read the firmware.
i know mate but i ment if we cant flash the hole firmware maybe we can atleast patch the code in that we need using a modchip a bit like the wii wasnt trieing to say the same as the wii but just the same idea....
Post by: Akmzero on April 22, 2008, 11:02:00 AM
Post by: Redline99 on April 22, 2008, 11:08:00 AM
Thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: Martinchris23 on April 22, 2008, 10:33:00 AM
QUOTE(Akmzero @ Apr 22 2008, 06:02 PM)
What if it is a ROM chip. Anyone bother to check the mobo? Maybe were looking in the wrong spot.
There are photos showing both sides of the board. Two hints as to why the firmware is in the M1319L package:
1. Apart from the Drive IC, there isn't anything else to house the data.
2. Obvious one here - it's surrounded in epoxy! Why else would you do this if the data wasn't inside? It's a little like having armed guards outside of a vault- they're there for a reason!!
Post by: Team Modfreakz on April 22, 2008, 11:15:00 AM
Post by: podger on April 22, 2008, 11:23:00 AM
you might have to buy the whole console to get it.....
They put exopy on the benq, and it was no where near the SPI....
Post by: welly_59 on April 22, 2008, 11:53:00 AM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Apr 22 2008, 04:18 PM)
Ahhh, thanks for giving me some hope TMF! =)
I was thinking the only way we were going to combat a read-only situation was to timing attack/KK/linux/dump dvd-key and inject into a 'modchip' that controls the drive. Not fun!
I agree that it is best to start calling this drive lite-on. Hence why I posted news with 'lite-on' and not 'benq'. They may be the same manufacturer now, but its still a new drive that specifies 'lite-on' and not 'benq'.
no iriez that wouldnt work. you cant run modified kingkong without the drive already being flashed. u should know that lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: xTKxhom3r on April 22, 2008, 12:37:00 PM
QUOTE(G0t M4xx 21 @ Apr 22 2008, 06:37 AM)
just went and bought a new Arcade today, luckily it still had the old style flashable Benq drive (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
But yeah, no sense in tracking serial #'s until they start appearing in retail stores
Well as long as somebody figures out a way to read the dvd key from the drive I'm happy, then it can just be swapped for a hackable drive
so if im able to get the key off my drive i could put any other drive in there with my key and it would work???
Post by: flash360 on April 22, 2008, 12:54:00 PM
Post by: |VorteX| on April 22, 2008, 01:18:00 PM
No LiteOns reported in Greece yet.
Post by: Martinchris23 on April 22, 2008, 01:19:00 PM
QUOTE(podger @ Apr 22 2008, 06:23 PM)
They put exopy on the benq, and it was no where near the SPI....
True, but combine with my first point and it doesn't leave many other places it could be. It's a VERY sparse board!
Post by: Textbook on April 22, 2008, 01:59:00 PM
QUOTE(welly_59 @ Apr 22 2008, 12:53 PM)
no iriez that wouldnt work. you cant run modified kingkong without the drive already being flashed. u should know that lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QUOTE(flash360 @ Apr 22 2008, 01:54 PM)
Damn you welly I was just about to say that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) It's not often you get chance to put a moderator right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Actually you're both wrong. There is this little thing called hotswapping.
Post by: xmugen360 on April 22, 2008, 02:08:00 PM
Post by: d-range on April 22, 2008, 02:11:00 PM
QUOTE(Textbook @ Apr 22 2008, 08:59 PM)
Actually you're both wrong. There is this little thing called hotswapping.
Not only that, but if you want to go as far as doing the timing attack you most likely already have the DVD key if it's a swapped drive, and you can use a spare drive temporarily to completely crack the console. It's not going to go on XBL anymore anyway, and anyone doing the hack should have no problem doing the flashing. The key has to be in this new LiteOn drive, I guess eventually someone will find a way to dump it or get it from the desoldered MT IC. When retail boxes with this drive will appear it's going to be pretty annoying though.
Post by: xmugen360 on April 22, 2008, 02:26:00 PM
basically i hate how the key security makes everything so secure it makes self repair problematic that just blows!!!
p.s. thanx to all the scene coders who dev apps like fwtb 360 that allow us to overcome this....
This post has been edited by xmugen360: Apr 22 2008, 09:29 PM
Post by: welly_59 on April 22, 2008, 02:31:00 PM
QUOTE(Textbook @ Apr 22 2008, 08:59 PM)
Actually you're both wrong. There is this little thing called hotswapping.
textbook what are you on about? you cant hotswap and do something like that. Are you saying to hotswap with the original non-modded drive to a modded drive? Or hotswap an original disc to a modded disc with the non-modded drive?
whichever one, i am sure as i can be that it wont work
Post by: thepwnage on April 22, 2008, 02:38:00 PM
It might be very expensive and a pain in the fucking ass but I still think it would be possible to hack.
I don't know anything, but I am presuming that if this is indeed a once write chip, it is like a CD-R, current drives are like CD-RWs.
If you can read the firmware somehow, then buy a blank CD-R (a blank Firmware chip) and then flash it with hacked info.
Of course, soldering, desoldering, buying a new chip...sounds like a bitch, but if worse comes to worse, I would say that these drives might be able to be hacked....
Post by: Mad_Gouki on April 22, 2008, 03:17:00 PM
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Post by: Textbook on April 22, 2008, 03:59:00 PM
QUOTE(welly_59 @ Apr 22 2008, 03:31 PM)
textbook what are you on about? you cant hotswap and do something like that. Are you saying to hotswap with the original non-modded drive to a modded drive? Or hotswap an original disc to a modded disc with the non-modded drive?
whichever one, i am sure as i can be that it wont work
Signatures are only checked at bootup. With the drive opened and just the spindle magnet in place, it's trivial to swap the original king kong disc with a backup kk xell disc.
Post by: welly_59 on April 22, 2008, 04:08:00 PM
Post by: xmugen360 on April 22, 2008, 04:10:00 PM
Post by: thepwnage on April 22, 2008, 04:18:00 PM
You could just swap a retail disk for a backup right?
Post by: madferit on April 22, 2008, 04:24:00 PM
QUOTE(xmugen360 @ Apr 22 2008, 10:10 PM)
textbook when you say trivial do you mean it's silly to do that or it would actually work do you mean that switch to kk xell disc it can bypass kernal that way?
by saying "trivial" i suppose textbook means that it's a common thing to do
i'm starting to get curious about the time attack (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
Post by: Grim187 on April 22, 2008, 05:02:00 PM
i think are best bet right now is to find a data sheet for that chip and get infectus in there to at least read if not write the firmware (if of course it cannot be done thru software).
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Post by: zogin on April 22, 2008, 05:35:00 PM
Post by: flash360 on April 22, 2008, 05:45:00 PM
Post by: KaISeR SoZEi on April 22, 2008, 05:49:00 PM
It seems to be an hiden serial interface and a tool that works with
This tool can extract and flash MT13x9 device, hope it can be useful with our dreaded new MTK1319L chip...
test and use at your own risk
http://hb.septem.cz/Doc/Mediatek/mediatek/
-> MTK Serial Tool
QUOTE
Tool for updating & repairing MT13x9 Firmware with serial interface.. It can recover incorrectly flashed and dead looking DVD palayers back to life.. You need connect serial interface to inside of your player
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Post by: Mushy2000 on April 22, 2008, 07:07:00 PM
Post by: Heet on April 22, 2008, 07:40:00 PM
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This only even more strengthens my theory that MS Absolutely cannot detect flashed firmwares
Yup.
QUOTE
Why bother to add epoxy if the firmware wasn't rewriteable?
Obscurity?
Post by: mduga on April 22, 2008, 07:49:00 PM
Had to grab them just in case my 360 RROD's or is banned someday, I got 2 backups. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: KPunk on April 22, 2008, 07:53:00 PM
Post by: hawkeye06 on April 22, 2008, 09:13:00 PM
Post by: majik655 on April 22, 2008, 09:40:00 PM
QUOTE(hawkeye06 @ Apr 22 2008, 08:13 PM)
Is the new drive any more quiet?
Throughout the thread only 1 person says it is quiter...
1 person then responded and stated he wouldn't think it is quiter since it looks like only the chip has been changed... same laser assembly...same tray etc etc.. (of course he doesn't have a new benq(lite-on)) drive.
This post has been edited by majik655: Apr 23 2008, 04:41 AM
Post by: littlestevie360 on April 22, 2008, 09:48:00 PM
QUOTE(Mushy2000 @ Apr 23 2008, 11:07 AM)
This only even more strengthens my theory that MS Absolutely cannot detect flashed firmwares
I dont think this is the reason for a new drive, i think the reason behind it is simply production costs.
everyone said the xbox v1.6 was an anti mod box but it was more about cost cutting, quite simply integrated controller chips are cheaper then seperate components.
littlestevie360
Post by: ydgmms on April 22, 2008, 10:06:00 PM
So as of 2 weeks ago, they don't seem to be in the US.
Post by: ImmortalZ on April 22, 2008, 10:30:00 PM
The link to the documents page from the link posted by Kaiser is dead. So here's the alternate link I found. It has some very useful looking info - like pinouts for 13x9 chips.
Hope that helps.
Post by: Maverick-DBZ- on April 22, 2008, 11:12:00 PM
If you haven't sent in your broken 360 to MS yet I suggest people do so if you don't want one of these drives.
Post by: pedrofeder on April 23, 2008, 03:50:00 AM
a new drive unflasheable
Post by: jamiem1987 on April 23, 2008, 04:22:00 AM
makes me think even more MS dont know whats going on with the firmware hacks in our current drives.
Post by: i800phyco on April 23, 2008, 07:27:00 AM
QUOTE(jamiem1987 @ Apr 23 2008, 11:22 AM)
someone will find a way to dump it im sure,
makes me think even more MS dont know whats going on with the firmware hacks in our current drives.
Yeah, they got that far by keeping there head in the sand.
Post by: littlestevie360 on April 23, 2008, 08:39:00 AM
QUOTE(jamiem1987 @ Apr 23 2008, 08:22 PM)
makes me think even more MS dont know whats going on with the firmware hacks in our current drives.
Do you really think Microsoft are that ignorant that they dont download a copy everytime a new one is released and explore it for holes to ban on, then wait for a big title release for the ban waves. or do you think they just randomly ban people hoping they get someone with a modded firmware and say "sorry" to everyone else? im more inclined to agree with they download and disect. i personally know people who have been banned from xbox live running iXtreme 1.4, 100% stealth disks (supposedly) 100% stealth firmware (supposedly), and backed up from there original copy, done on an xbox360 Toshiba Samsung.
oh and as a side note our current drives havent changed how they work (you say they dont know whats going on with the firmware hacks) of course they know they designed the firmware and C4E modified it.... then gave it to EVERYONE.
Littlestevie360
Post by: jamiem1987 on April 23, 2008, 08:51:00 AM
QUOTE(littlestevie360 @ Apr 23 2008, 03:39 PM)
Do you really think Microsoft are that ignorant that they dont download a copy everytime a new one is released and explore it for holes to ban on, then wait for a big title release for the ban waves. or do you think they just randomly ban people hoping they get someone with a modded firmware and say "sorry" to everyone else? im more inclined to agree with they download and disect. i personally know people who have been banned from xbox live running iXtreme 1.4, 100% stealth disks (supposedly) 100% stealth firmware (supposedly), and backed up from there original copy, done on an xbox360 Toshiba Samsung.
oh and as a side note our current drives havent changed how they work (you say they dont know whats going on with the firmware hacks) of course they know they designed the firmware and C4E modified it.... then gave it to EVERYONE.
Littlestevie360
i simply meant that they cant read the firmware, i was under the impression that they cannot read from the drive due to firmguard in c4e firmware, im not even sure if the xbox is capable of reading firmware from the drive, so as far as the firmware goes im pretty sure that they DONT know whats going on with peoples drives. Like you say though if people are downloading games from the net (illegal i know) then thats asking for trouble. I havent been banned (yet) and after speaking to C4E on the efnet there should be nothing (provided you have a true 1:1 with an xbox samsung drive) that MS can detect. Could be wrong, thats just the impression i got, especially with the 1.4 firmware.
Post by: mackemsrule on April 23, 2008, 10:00:00 AM
Post by: gabe681 on April 23, 2008, 10:32:00 AM
Post by: johnnycab13 on April 23, 2008, 05:10:00 PM
QUOTE(mackemsrule @ Apr 23 2008, 05:00 PM)
any1 noticed the guys getting these drives back from the repair centre all live in australia
NO! not really, I did not notice - since the OP already posted that he is from AUS...the really important thing is: how long before these drives start appearing in EU or US...
Post by: beatendown666 on April 23, 2008, 05:46:00 PM
This is kinda a easy way to remove epoxy with paint thinner just in case anyone doesn't know about it
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Post by: [TONE] on April 23, 2008, 10:13:00 PM
QUOTE(littlestevie360 @ Apr 23 2008, 03:39 PM)
Do you really think Microsoft are that ignorant that they dont download a copy everytime a new one is released and explore it for holes to ban on, then wait for a big title release for the ban waves. or do you think they just randomly ban people hoping they get someone with a modded firmware and say "sorry" to everyone else? im more inclined to agree with they download and disect. i personally know people who have been banned from xbox live running iXtreme 1.4, 100% stealth disks (supposedly) 100% stealth firmware (supposedly), and backed up from there original copy, done on an xbox360 Toshiba Samsung.
oh and as a side note our current drives havent changed how they work (you say they dont know whats going on with the firmware hacks) of course they know they designed the firmware and C4E modified it.... then gave it to EVERYONE.
Littlestevie360
Well of course M$ has people looking at these hacked firms.... But the firm as is is still undetectable. what they are checking is the discs. What i really wanted to comment on tho was you saying u personally know people who been banned using 100% stealth discs and 100% stealth firms well let me clue u in on something. as of now there has been NO bans to any 1.4 users who ONLY used 1.4 so ur personal experiences must fall into that line of things and ALL prior firms are suspect.... the checks m$ performs are there for the world to see in the live logs.....
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Post by: jimi_boy on April 24, 2008, 01:11:00 AM
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' date='Apr 24 2008, 02:13 PM' post='4262642']
Well of course M$ has people looking at these hacked firms.... But the firm as is is still undetectable. what they are checking is the discs. What i really wanted to comment on tho was you saying u personally know people who been banned using 100% stealth discs and 100% stealth firms well let me clue u in on something. as of now there has been NO bans to any 1.4 users who ONLY used 1.4 so ur personal experiences must fall into that line of things and ALL prior firms are suspect.... the checks m$ performs are there for the world to see in the live logs.....
Well of course M$ has people looking at these hacked firms.... But the firm as is is still undetectable. what they are checking is the discs. What i really wanted to comment on tho was you saying u personally know people who been banned using 100% stealth discs and 100% stealth firms well let me clue u in on something. as of now there has been NO bans to any 1.4 users who ONLY used 1.4 so ur personal experiences must fall into that line of things and ALL prior firms are suspect.... the checks m$ performs are there for the world to see in the live logs.....
Hey yeah I just found out I am going to have to wait until somone works out how to flash the new benq drive I am new to this forum first time I have any issue really just wanted to see what you guys think the turm around time on these things are?
Cheers
Jimmy
Post by: BigSteel on April 24, 2008, 08:16:00 AM
QUOTE(jimi_boy @ Apr 24 2008, 01:11 AM)
just wanted to see what you guys think the turm around time on these things are?
You might as well ask what next weeks winning Lotto numbers are too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) No one knows for sure that it is flashable to start with (probably though), and for sure no one knows how long it will take. The last BenQ took almost 6 months from release it that helps you.
Post by: XPunked on April 24, 2008, 08:18:00 AM
I don't think we'll see the top-end hackers working on this until it becomes mainstream. I don't think any good hackers would even have there hands on one if these yet.
Post by: johnnycab13 on April 24, 2008, 10:24:00 AM
QUOTE(XPunked @ Apr 24 2008, 03:18 PM)
I just got one back from the repair center too ( In Aus) I agree with the posts a while back, can we start calling it the 'Lite-on' drive, rather than 'the new BenQ'. I think I might start a new "Philips Lite-on DG-16D2S" thread.
I don't think we'll see the top-end hackers working on this until it becomes mainstream. I don't think any good hackers would even have there hands on one if these yet.
Yeah - I agree having the proper name "Philips Lite-On DG-16D2S" to be absolutely sure what you are reading/doing from here on out. As for top hackers having access to one - the OP has mentioned that he will be willing to donate the new drive to C4eva, which is extremely generous! However, where there is a will, there is a way...
Post by: moocrow on April 24, 2008, 03:00:00 PM
Mfr date 2008-04-02, Lot 0814, drive manufacture date *MARCH 08*.
By the skin of my teeth I suspect...
Post by: TeHsU on April 25, 2008, 04:21:00 AM
QUOTE(littlestevie360 @ Apr 23 2008, 03:39 PM)
Do you really think Microsoft are that ignorant that they dont download a copy everytime a new one is released and explore it for holes to ban on, then wait for a big title release for the ban waves. or do you think they just randomly ban people hoping they get someone with a modded firmware and say "sorry" to everyone else? im more inclined to agree with they download and disect. i personally know people who have been banned from xbox live running iXtreme 1.4, 100% stealth disks (supposedly) 100% stealth firmware (supposedly), and backed up from there original copy, done on an xbox360 Toshiba Samsung.
oh and as a side note our current drives havent changed how they work (you say they dont know whats going on with the firmware hacks) of course they know they designed the firmware and C4E modified it.... then gave it to EVERYONE.
Littlestevie360
I know many people with 1.41 All BenQs on Live since 1.41 was released never used a old version and have not been banned. All correctly stealthed. One uses bad copies of games and is still not banned. So I doubt these people you know have been running 1.4 from the beginning of the Life of the Modded 360.
We've been over this, 1.4x iX is the only secure firmware any before that have issues. Good day
Post by: p1mpma57ah on April 25, 2008, 07:59:00 AM
Can anyone preferably from europe who has a box with the new drive get in touch with me please? I will buy it or exchange for a brand new xbox360 with flashable benq.
thanks...
Post by: XboxMySocks on April 25, 2008, 06:24:00 PM
Post by: ImmortalZ on April 25, 2008, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: delcake on April 25, 2008, 08:36:00 PM
And if you think they can't analyze it then you are the one with their head in the sand.
This post has been edited by delcake: Apr 26 2008, 03:37 AM
Post by: XboxMySocks on April 25, 2008, 09:29:00 PM
QUOTE(ImmortalZ @ Apr 25 2008, 10:30 PM)
The consensus seems to be that this drive is identical in mechanics to the Benq drive.
Well, apparently not, as my BenQ has a white/blue (left to right respectively) at the very bottom of the drive, while the pic of the one i saw had either a black plastic-ish thing or a silver metal plate.
Post by: ProphetOfPain on April 26, 2008, 01:18:00 AM
QUOTE(delcake @ Apr 26 2008, 03:36 AM)
And if you think they can't analyze it then you are the one with their head in the sand.
You know, sometimes you can analyze till your blue in the face. Just because it is Microsoft, doesn't mean they are above and beyond the bounds of electricity and coding. It is what it is. OBVIOUSLY, if M$ would of been able to simply detect modified firmware and then BAN, THEY WOULD.
Post by: Zod5000 on April 26, 2008, 05:27:00 PM
QUOTE(ProphetOfPain @ Apr 26 2008, 08:18 AM)
You know, sometimes you can analyze till your blue in the face. Just because it is Microsoft, doesn't mean they are above and beyond the bounds of electricity and coding. It is what it is. OBVIOUSLY, if M$ would of been able to simply detect modified firmware and then BAN, THEY WOULD.
Exactly, its not that microsoft can't download and analyze the firmware off the net, its that read/flash the drives (at least the ms28 and the benq), you have to make it go into recovery mode, not something thats an ordinary function of the drive while its being run by the 360.
So basically microsoft tries to detect end results. Anything that happens while the disc is running that wouldn't be an oridinary response from stock firmware with an original disc. Missing/Bad Stealth sectors etc...
One has to wonder how many more tricks they have left up their sleeve with this approach, the last technique they used was the jitter check, but it ended up banning alot of legitimate consoles, because bad dvd drives or scratched discs could create similar results to a modified console.
I'm no technological genious, but as long as the drives require them to be in recovery mode to dump the firmware, it would extremely difficult for microsoft to read the firmware on your console's dvd drive. Therefore they'll have to keep trying to detect the subtle differences in drive/disc responses on drives with modified and non-modified firmware.
Post by: manu_xl on April 26, 2008, 05:33:00 PM
Post by: Esra on April 28, 2008, 06:40:00 PM
I have gotten my 360 back from repairs with this drive and now I can't get it flashed!
Looks like I'll have to buy an arcade unit and flash that one.
Has anyone seen any development in cracking this thing open?
Post by: Toddler on April 28, 2008, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: StrictPuppet on April 28, 2008, 09:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Apr 28 2008, 06:33 PM)
Esra, are you also in Australia?
According to his IP address, yes he is.
Post by: Esra on April 28, 2008, 11:23:00 PM
QUOTE(StrictPuppet @ Apr 29 2008, 01:27 PM)
According to his IP address, yes he is.
Sure am.
Got it back last week and it has the new drive. Not entirely sure it's legal for MS to swap parts in your property without forewarning you. Kinda like putting your car in for a service and getting it back a different colour.
Unless they can prove it was the cause of the fault (everyone knows it's not) then they shouldn't be touching it!
Any ideas? I'm probably going to keep this as my 'Legit' box for Live etc.
I've bought a cheap RROD unit that I'll fix and flash for playing my 'backups'.
Post by: Alexus I on April 29, 2008, 02:56:00 AM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Apr 29 2008, 05:33 AM)
Esra, are you also in Australia?
I have a version why that new drives will
find in Australia: becouse many people from Russia are registered gamertag on address in Australia (on Russia registration denied), and about 95% are modded! I know this situation, becouse live in Russia.
I think MS analized banned consoles and gamertags on thats consoles.
Post by: podger on April 29, 2008, 04:03:00 AM
BUT!
When M$ install a new DVD do they Key change on the system board or do they flash the DVD to match what's already on the motherboard????
Coz if they flash the DVD with the key from the system board, than any of you guys who had previously flashed your drives should have you DVD key... All you need to do then is get a spare drive, flash you key and SPOOF.... Question is what is the ID string, but maybe you could get this from the SATA bios on your PC.
If this works you could "Donate" your drives to the members who can get to work hacking this baby..
This post has been edited by podger: Apr 29 2008, 11:04 AM
Post by: Antman1 on April 29, 2008, 06:47:00 AM
QUOTE(podger @ Apr 29 2008, 11:39 AM)
Firstly I know that the firmware can't be read....
BUT!
When M$ install a new DVD do they Key change on the system board or do they flash the DVD to match what's already on the motherboard????
Coz if they flash the DVD with the key from the system board, than any of you guys who had previously flashed your drives should have you DVD key... All you need to do then is get a spare drive, flash you key and SPOOF.... Question is what is the ID string, but maybe you could get this from the SATA bios on your PC.
If this works you could "Donate" your drives to the members who can get to work hacking this baby..
yeah if they have an old hitachi or samsung or benq they could reflash it with their old key they used to flash before they sent it away and hook it up and see if it works. if so then they are in business and I am sure team modfreaks or someone would even be willing to buy the drive from them.
Good Thinking Podger!
This post has been edited by Antman1: Apr 29 2008, 01:48 PM
Post by: thorro on April 29, 2008, 07:37:00 AM
Inside BenQ drive, March 2008, tray cover is white, like in old 2005 consoles.
Location: EU
This post has been edited by thorro: Apr 29 2008, 02:38 PM
Post by: caster420 on April 29, 2008, 12:00:00 PM
QUOTE(Antman1 @ Apr 29 2008, 08:47 AM)
yeah if they have an old hitachi or samsung or benq they could reflash it with their old key they used to flash before they sent it away and hook it up and see if it works. if so then they are in business and I am sure team modfreaks or someone would even be willing to buy the drive from them.
Good Thinking Podger!
I highly doubt they have the same motherboard returned to them. If they do, the OSIG string will be changed (which we dont know), and most likely the key.
Caster.
Post by: Antman1 on April 29, 2008, 12:56:00 PM
QUOTE(caster420 @ Apr 29 2008, 07:00 PM)
I highly doubt they have the same motherboard returned to them. If they do, the OSIG string will be changed (which we dont know), and most likely the key.
Caster.
No harm in trying. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: teztickles on April 29, 2008, 04:39:00 PM
I guess this will probably be the case for most of them considering most repairs (I'm guessing) would be due to the 3 RROD error. At the moment I guess you're one of the lucky ones if they only did change the drive and not the motherboard..............tez
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Post by: VanydotK on February 03, 2020, 01:36:00 AM
Post by: thorro on February 03, 2020, 06:18:00 AM
QUOTE(VanydotK @ Apr 30 2008, 10:36 AM)
That warranty sticker isn't new, it's been around for a while now.
Can it be removed without damage, like the old silver one?
Post by: HOMiE7 on February 03, 2020, 11:22:00 AM
Post by: caster420 on February 03, 2020, 01:21:00 PM
QUOTE(HOMiE7 @ Apr 30 2008, 02:22 PM)
I've been waiting for hacked firmware and instructions about flashing this drive... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
You better plan on waiting a while. This wont happen over night.Caster.
Post by: Martinchris23 on February 03, 2020, 05:13:00 PM
QUOTE(thorro @ Apr 30 2008, 02:18 PM)
Can it be removed without damage, like the old silver one?
If you're waiting for an answer about commiting warranty fraud, don't hold your breath.
Post by: HOMiE7 on February 04, 2020, 03:55:00 AM
QUOTE(caster420 @ May 1 2008, 12:21 AM)
You better plan on waiting a while. This wont happen over night.
I haven't another choise...
Post by: scuba156 on May 01, 2008, 05:33:00 PM
Podger- Please do NOT endorse or encourage warrenty fraud here on Xbox-Scene. Its always better to keep things the legal way, even if it slows down homebrew/hacking progress (an example would be that this is way the 360 homebrew scene has not developed much, which is due to hackers wishing to keep it legal). i can already tell you that it will not work. any DVD drive upgrade also comes with a new key stored in the keyvault. if they didnt change it, then this drive would be useless in repaired consoles (as well as any samsung, hitachi or Benq drives when they first appeared)
Post by: Elite_Mods on May 02, 2008, 01:02:00 AM
Post by: StrictPuppet on May 02, 2008, 02:15:00 PM
Lets keep this thread regarding the new drive only. If people want to carry on with their discussion, make a new thread in the dump.
Post by: darest on May 03, 2008, 01:28:00 PM
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mt13x9
cheers
Post by: caster420 on May 03, 2008, 02:54:00 PM
QUOTE(darest @ May 3 2008, 04:04 PM)
mhh i found some information about tese controler , is a mediatek , i foun the firmwares and the datasheets , i post the links ,in one forum in yahoo groups , named mediatek
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mt13x9
cheers
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mt13x9
cheers
I dont think those are the same, for certain the frimware isn't, and likely the datasheet as well. I say that because the little bit i've read about the MT1369/79/89 is that they use an external flash, similar to the current BenQ or samsung drives.
Caster.
Post by: OggyUK on May 03, 2008, 04:19:00 PM
From my experience MS do changethe drive key on the mobo - but surely there may be case where they dont.
Slightly off topic, is it not possible what podger suggested was 'legit' I mean in the UK we can pay for out of warranty services.
From my experience MS do changethe drive key on the mobo - but surely there may be case where they dont.
Post by: scuba156 on May 03, 2008, 05:25:00 PM
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Post by: thestanleycup on May 05, 2008, 08:50:00 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on May 05, 2008, 10:48:00 PM
QUOTE(thestanleycup @ May 6 2008, 03:50 AM)
are these new drives only from repair center microsoft or their in retail stores??????
repair center so far.
I buy about 2 to 4 360's every day for people and I have yet to come across one. I will be sure to post here as soon as I do.
Post by: Toddler on May 06, 2008, 05:01:00 PM
Post by: emm1t on May 08, 2008, 03:05:00 PM
and im in the uk ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grr.gif)
Post by: Ferid on May 09, 2008, 02:35:00 AM
Model: DG-16D2S
HW Ver.: A0A1
FW Ver.: 74850C
April, 2008
I am in the Netherlands
Post by: burgemaster on May 09, 2008, 10:33:00 AM
back from repair
New mobo
New type DVD drive
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Manufactured April 2008
Post by: Harbinger076 on May 09, 2008, 06:17:00 PM
Post by: slimgrip on May 10, 2008, 05:17:00 AM
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Post by: jamiem1987 on May 10, 2008, 10:44:00 AM
Post by: OuTeR HeAvEn on May 10, 2008, 11:31:00 AM
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Post by: xombouw on February 02, 2020, 10:50:00 PM
Not 100% sure, but those new drives haven't got those silver/copper shiny foil stickers on them. Maybe this is a way of identifying the drive without opening the console. Maybe just the plastic top cap had to be removed.
I'll do a compare and post some pictures when it's true.
Netherlands btw
Post by: xombouw on May 11, 2008, 12:45:00 AM
This is possible the only way of determing if the drive an DG-16D2S without opening the (entire) console.
The Lite-on drive I saw did not have those silver stickers... pictures below are from a BenQ VAD6038
Post by: Antman1 on May 11, 2008, 06:54:00 AM
If not can someone give it a shot and report back the exact steps you took and your results including detailed messages,errors,ect..... Thanks
I would get cracking on this drive myself but am currently in the market for one.
This post has been edited by Antman1: May 11 2008, 01:56 PM
Post by: Eddie_M on February 03, 2020, 01:28:00 PM
They replaced the mo board and drive
I am in the UK
Hope someone cracks this soon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
anyone wanna swap for a new machine with flashable drive?
Post by: Antman1 on February 03, 2020, 01:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Antman1 @ May 11 2008, 02:30 PM)
Has anyone tried loading this drive up in windows and using this utility: http://club.cdfreaks.com/f44/flash-utility...2-2-4-a-190420/
If not can someone give it a shot and report back the exact steps you took and your results including detailed messages,errors,ect..... Thanks
I would get cracking on this drive myself but am currently in the market for one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
try this and let us know what you find
Post by: teztickles on February 03, 2020, 04:39:00 PM
QUOTE(shauno @ Apr 22 2008, 03:23 PM)
Ok guys some more small findings. I tried mtkflash (+ 10 sec trick) no read, not recognised in windows, its recognised by slax as 16D2S during bootup, thats about as far as i can get.....
QUOTE(Antman1 @ May 11 2008, 11:30 PM)
Has anyone tried loading this drive up in windows and using this utility: http://club.cdfreaks.com/f44/flash-utility...2-2-4-a-190420/
If not can someone give it a shot and report back the exact steps you took and your results including detailed messages,errors,ect..... Thanks
I would get cracking on this drive myself but am currently in the market for one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I'll try reading it if someone can tell me how to get Windows to recognise the drive!
Post by: x360flasher on February 03, 2020, 06:27:00 PM
Post by: Antman1 on May 11, 2008, 08:36:00 PM
If someone wants to send me their drive I will play with it and see what I can do
Post by: Mandera on February 04, 2020, 03:30:00 AM
Post by: as905 on February 04, 2020, 04:18:00 AM
who knows maybe the new BnQ drives will require a modchip.
This post has been edited by as905: Today, 12:19 PM
Post by: Antman1 on February 04, 2020, 08:52:00 AM
Post by: burgemaster on February 04, 2020, 01:19:00 PM
Post by: Antman1 on May 12, 2008, 02:32:00 PM
Anyone that wants to send their drive to me to figure this out PM me.
Post by: mp3boy on May 12, 2008, 06:39:00 PM
If you have bright lighting and hold it at the correct angle with the faceplate off, you can see the 'R' without dismantling the console (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
There is a text imprint under the eject button on the Lite-On I have here that isn't present on any of the BenQs.
I have no other Lite-On drives to verify this theory though.
My Lite-On is also missing the silver stickers as mentioned on the previous page of this thread.
(IMG:http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/9461/benqliteondvddrivesundesb5.th.jpg)
Click the thumbnail for a high resolution image.
Cheers
This post has been edited by mp3boy: May 13 2008, 01:46 AM
Post by: Exobex on May 15, 2008, 03:13:00 AM
QUOTE(Toddler @ May 13 2008, 08:50 AM)
I can't imagine them replacing DVD drives without a real reason for doing so.
Samsungs have a tendency to jam when empty (you have to strike the top of the console to get the tray to release). If that happens when they're testing, you'll get a BenQ or LiteOn back.
Post by: CopyLifted on May 15, 2008, 03:39:00 AM
QUOTE(lskywalker332 @ May 13 2008, 10:55 PM)
I just got a console at Target in the Seattle, WA area and it just so happnes it has the new Philips Lite-on DG-16D2S so this confirms that retailers are starting to receive shipments of these things.
I didn't realize it was different at first, but as I tried flashing the system I got the D2/E2, which I noticed right away. The label on the outside of the DVD drive looks identical except where the older drives said Ben-Q it now says Lite-on.
Be on the lookout. The batch number is 81105. Good Luck.
MFR date, LOT and TEAM info would be helpful.
Thanks.
Post by: flash360 on May 15, 2008, 03:54:00 PM
Someone with more than one of these liteon drives need's to try swapin em and see if you get the "to play this disc bla bla". We are all 99.999% sure this will be the case but come on guy's this is the first thing to try and nobody seems to have done it yet.
PS: Yes I know someone has reported one in a new console but it wouldnt be the first time someone got a refurb thinkin it was brand new (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
Post by: |VorteX| on February 02, 2020, 06:41:00 PM
Post by: shauno on February 02, 2020, 10:32:00 PM
QUOTE(flash360 @ May 16 2008, 07:24 AM)
Ok really stupid question, im gonna get slated for this but here goes. we are all supposing that this is microsofts latest attempt at stopping us flashing our xbox, but what if they decided their drive key system is not working and it's just making it harder to repair 3 red light consoles, slowing the process down considerably and costin a bomb (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) (can you tell what it is yet)
Someone with more than one of these liteon drives need's to try swapin em and see if you get the "to play this disc bla bla". We are all 99.999% sure this will be the case but come on guy's this is the first thing to try and nobody seems to have done it yet.
PS: Yes I know someone has reported one in a new console but it wouldnt be the first time someone got a refurb thinkin it was brand new (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
Ok just for you i tried replacing the liteon with a spare working hitachi, it plays dvds but not games (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) When i get a second liteon box in i will swap them also. It seems the 'key' system still stands.
Post by: shauno on May 15, 2008, 11:40:00 PM
QUOTE(Antman1 @ May 11 2008, 11:00 PM)
Has anyone tried loading this drive up in windows and using this utility: http://club.cdfreaks...2-2-4-a-190420/
If not can someone give it a shot and report back the exact steps you took and your results including detailed messages,errors,ect..... Thanks
I would get cracking on this drive myself but am currently in the market for one.
Tried the program but liteon drive isnt recognized in windows, so therefor cannot select the drive from the drop down box.
Post by: clixo on May 16, 2008, 02:38:00 PM
tested with liteon tools posted before here in this thread, no go both in windows or in dos, tried to boot it with slax it boots ok, tried to boot with minipe so i could force a windows recognition of the drive also a no go ... it stucks at some time while loading
if anyone have more ideas i will gladly try
This post has been edited by clixo: May 16 2008, 09:41 PM
Post by: Zoneout on February 03, 2020, 10:27:00 PM
Hope this helps.
This post has been edited by Zoneout: Today, 06:27 AM
Post by: nibb211 on February 04, 2020, 08:38:00 AM
Post by: flash360 on February 04, 2020, 08:49:00 AM
nibb why are you glad to get a drive that cant be flashed at the moment (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I'd be gutted if I was you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Post by: nibb211 on February 04, 2020, 09:02:00 AM
Post by: flash360 on February 04, 2020, 09:19:00 AM
Post by: MrWizzie on May 17, 2008, 09:53:00 AM
So 3 days after they picked it up, I got it back, only to find out my backups are worthless now.
It came back from Germany, btw.
Oh, and you can find out it it's the new LiteOn by only removing the faceplate and the top cover (where you put your harddrive on, so you can see the little metal things (see below).
Post by: OggyUK on May 17, 2008, 12:35:00 PM
Image wasnt 'enlargeable'
I hear they had white cables like the BenQ mmmmmmm
@bAN01TgAZ
Are you sure it was a UK repair centre (located in HavanT)
UK models have been going to Germany for the past few weeks, check the return label on the box.
This post has been edited by OggyUK: May 17 2008, 07:36 PM
Post by: Pademe on May 19, 2008, 12:56:00 PM
Same problem with status 52-D2.
http://www.xbox360ombouwamersfoort.nl/benq1.jpg
http://www.xbox360ombouwamersfoort.nl/benq2.jpg
http://www.xbox360ombouwamersfoort.nl/benq3.jpg
The drive is not from me so I can't open the drive.
There will be al lot more lite-on coming I think....
Post by: sys on May 22, 2008, 02:31:00 PM
I'm located in Norway and a customer of mine came with one of these boxes today. The Xbox 360 just came back from service in Germany. Encloses is a picture i took.
(IMG:http://deejay.ath.cx/shop/images/360-DG-16D2S.gif)
Hope this nut gets cracked soon so we can keep on flashing all 360 drives (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
/sys
This post has been edited by sys: May 22 2008, 09:33 PM
Post by: m4TRix on May 26, 2008, 12:58:00 AM
what about this Programm? http://club.cdfreaks...2-2-4-a-190420/
Did any of you have tried ?
Tell me if it works!
Post by: paquete on May 27, 2008, 07:49:00 AM
the yellow wire ones are the liteon
Post by: Wilhelm_I on May 27, 2008, 03:18:00 PM
QUOTE(xombouw @ May 11 2008, 09:21 AM)
Okay, got some pictures here.
This is possible the only way of determing if the drive an DG-16D2S without opening the (entire) console.
The Lite-on drive I saw did not have those silver stickers... pictures below are from a BenQ VAD6038
Mine actually doesnt have these stickers that yours had on the sides, got mine back today from Frankfurt/Germany...
I guess the best way to determine if it is a Lite-On or a BenQ is by the yellow wire that you can see through the little hole.
If it is white it is a BenQ if it is yellow a Lite-On
Post by: xombouw on May 28, 2008, 06:11:00 AM
QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ May 27 2008, 10:54 PM)
Mine actually doesnt have these stickers that yours had on the sides, got mine back today from Frankfurt/Germany...
I guess the best way to determine if it is a Lite-On or a BenQ is by the yellow wire that you can see through the little hole.
If it is white it is a BenQ if it is yellow a Lite-On
Te be clear.
The BenQ have those silver stickers and are flashable
The new Lite-On have NO stickers !
So if there are no Silver Stickers on your drive, it proberbly is a new Lite-On.
Post by: cypher21 on May 28, 2008, 04:26:00 PM
I was going to mod an xbox of a friend of mine who bought it last weak here in the Netherlands, but it has this new drive too.
Well, then I have to dissapoint him and wait till it gets modded (or not)
Dosflash sees something, but hangs on 0x52 0xD2 as described earlier
grtz
Post by: ZitreXx on May 29, 2008, 03:14:00 PM
So would it be possible to extract the drive-ket just so I can get the Hitachi drive to work with the new motherboard?
Edit. I got the same drive as above:
Model No.: DG-16D2S
HW Ver.: A0A1
FW Ver.: 74850C
This post has been edited by ZitreXx: May 29 2008, 10:21 PM
Post by: excaliburlives on May 29, 2008, 04:36:00 PM
Post by: scuba156 on February 03, 2020, 05:12:00 AM
Post by: Ree1981 on June 05, 2008, 11:13:00 AM
LOT: 0819
Team: FDOU
I'd say anything under 0811 is safe today. I got a 0810 Arcade today and it's a BenQ. Getting awfully close though. :S
Post by: michaelboord on February 03, 2020, 11:51:00 AM
you lucky bastard
Post by: dnz on February 03, 2020, 04:05:00 PM
The first one the cashier brought was LOT 0820, so I asked him if there were any from 0815 or earlier.
Luckily there were and I got one with LOT 0744.
It had a BenQ drive \o/
This post has been edited by dnz: Today, 12:06 AM
Post by: Wilhelm_I on June 06, 2008, 03:27:00 AM
When the drive wasn't turned on completely yet I got status 0x80. When I turned it on a millisecond later the status switched to 0x52/0xD2. The light starts flashing then and the drive doesnt react anymore at all as if it just turned itself off. I once opened the tray before turning the 360 on and as soon as the light started flashing it wouldnt even close the drive when I turned the 360 off however the status of the drive(opening and closing) still seemed to work in the dashboard...
So I unplugged the sata cable turned the 360 on and then quickly connected the SATA cable again and got 0x51 which changes to 0xD1 when you turn it off(like when you attempt reading the firmware when the drive was turned on minutes ago...).
So I got a BenQ drive and checked what it does at the certain moments to compare.
When you leave it turned on and try to read the firmware it returns 0x51/0xD1 as the firmware guard is still active. When I turned it off and back on then the status changed to 0x73 and it started reading the firmware, at this point the Lite On returns 0x52. So my guess is that we need a new version of dosflash which starts reading when the drive returns 0x52.
I tried the same with mtkflash as well and it returned the same status codes but it wouldnt start reading when the status was 0x73 so I suppose this might be the solution. The drive acts exactly like a BenQ does the same noises at the same moments and the PCB board looks very similar so I guess the BenQ iXtreme firmware should work after injecting the drive key.
The key system is still active as the other guy stated before, the BenQ drive wouldnt play any games...
I apologize in advance if this is just bullshit so please correct me if I'm wrong...
This post has been edited by Wilhelm_I: Jun 6 2008, 10:29 AM
Post by: flash360 on June 06, 2008, 06:18:00 PM
19 pages of "oh shit i got a lite on" and finally someone who will have a go at the problem has got one of these instead of just moanin and waitin for the expert's to solve all their problems. Good work
Post by: Iriez on June 08, 2008, 11:44:00 PM
Please review mediatekpatent.pdf for more information.
c4e: someone will need to dump the memory bus on the drive, maybe a d0-d7 on the mediatek chip to get the fw
c4e: then u should be able to trigger an erase to write the fw
c4e: but they have implemented a hardware checksum back to host when host requests
c4e: so should be doable if we first get a dump
So, looks like MS has done a little backend work on getting mediatek to make some security advancements on this one!
Post by: didineedthis on June 10, 2008, 11:43:00 AM
info as follows
Model no. DG-16D2S
HW Version. A0A1
FW Version. 74850C
didineedtis
Post by: Team Modfreakz on June 10, 2008, 02:51:00 PM
(IMG:http://www.freepler.de/userdaten/38928917/bilder/xbox360/k_mt1309e_mt1319l_pinout_v1.0.png)
Post by: ZitreXx on June 10, 2008, 04:15:00 PM
QUOTE(madmackem @ Jun 10 2008, 06:09 PM)
if anyone is looking for one of these liteons to play with i will trade for a flashed (or flashable) unit (no xclamp or other modded ones tho). just got it back from germany last week
Won't you need the key from the LiteOn to be able to play burned games?
Post by: CasioNo15 on June 10, 2008, 04:33:00 PM
QUOTE(Team Modfreakz @ Jun 10 2008, 10:51 PM)
here is a pinout of MT1309E & MT1319L chipset.
Hey that´s nice.
So there´s a UART and SPI interface? Did you have any success with it?
Casio
Post by: lorcace on February 02, 2020, 05:29:00 PM
I recall that in fact the new controller has an "update routine" integrated to it, so it must be possible to erase the flash rom and write a hacked firmware. BUT the patent says that, in the upload routine, the host uploads the new firmware to an internal buffer and if some "pattern" checks against the internal memory then the update continues. Just what if the "pattern" is the drive key??!!!
The patent says that at least some fragment of the memory CANT be read. Just imagine what part it is. Obviously it would be the key for starters. So even if we are able to dump the "body" of the firmware we would never be able to dump the key.
This would render the drive "almost" unhackeable as there is no bus to trace because the bus between the pattern comparison, the update buffer and the flash memory, everything is inside the same physical chip!!! Thus you would never be able to know the drive key. You may attempt random keys and if, by luck, you inject the right one on the update firmware then you may hack it. But it is highly unlikely.
Obviously this would impose no problem for MShit as they should have a relation of each S/N and its corresponding drive key. In the case the need for update should arise they could easily inject the correct key and update it.
As soon as I saw the patent I went to get me a LOT 811 Arcade (It appears to be the good old Benq, white wires in the hole (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif). I really think that MS got us now, that is if they did what I think :b LOL
My recommendation: Get a LOT<813 and if you send your box to repair for gods sake dump your key!!!
QUOTE(Iriez @ Jun 9 2008, 07:20 AM)
It appears that mediatek has filed patents regarding new securities for console drives.
Please review mediatekpatent.pdf for more information.
c4e: someone will need to dump the memory bus on the drive, maybe a d0-d7 on the mediatek chip to get the fw
c4e: then u should be able to trigger an erase to write the fw
c4e: but they have implemented a hardware checksum back to host when host requests
c4e: so should be doable if we first get a dump
So, looks like MS has done a little backend work on getting mediatek to make some security advancements on this one!
This post has been edited by lorcace: Yesterday, 01:41 AM
Post by: xiownthisplacex on February 03, 2020, 06:38:00 AM
Post by: ImmortalZ on February 03, 2020, 06:48:00 AM
Post by: xiownthisplacex on February 03, 2020, 06:54:00 AM
Ok, i guess i just have to "wait" for now..
Thanks for the fast reply!
Post by: damn! on February 03, 2020, 07:19:00 AM
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Post by: madmackem on February 03, 2020, 09:21:00 AM
QUOTE(ZitreXx @ Jun 10 2008, 11:15 PM)
Won't you need the key from the LiteOn to be able to play burned games?
well i guessed everyone would realise i meant the 360 console not just the drive. :-|
Post by: mr. q on February 03, 2020, 10:42:00 AM
Post by: fitsman on February 03, 2020, 02:05:00 PM
Post by: danipukok on February 03, 2020, 02:16:00 PM
QUOTE(fitsman @ Jun 11 2008, 10:05 PM)
Any news about the flashing of the new lite on drive????
cant you read?
Post by: HackerSupreme on February 03, 2020, 08:14:00 PM
QUOTE(danipukok @ Jun 11 2008, 05:16 PM)
cant you read?
Apparently not.
Post by: asdfqwer1 on June 12, 2008, 03:59:00 AM
1. You cannot write to the flash while the FW is not empty (erased).
2. You can erase the FW at any time (no check needed).
3. You cannot read the FW. After uploading the FW, the chip will provide you with a verification result (CRC/MD5 etc). That way you can verify if the upload was sucessfull.
So, to update the FW, you need to:
1. Erase the FW.
2. Upload the new FW.
However, if you erase the FW, you lose the drive key. MS doesnt have that problem, since they know the drive key, which is matched up to the 360 serial (do they change the keys on refurb units with old serials but new drives?). This scheme sounds theoretically safe, and with the flash embedded inside the chip (external programmers will not be able to read it), will be a real bitch to bypass.
Post by: dazv6 on February 04, 2020, 05:20:00 AM
A method for securing firmware in a memory is provided. Memory data in the memory is checked. If the memory data in the memory meets a criterion, a host is allowed to read and write the entire memory.
So is it possible to read the firmware when the right code is inputed into the drive, or am i reading this wrong?
Post by: thebrave on June 12, 2008, 06:21:00 AM
QUOTE(dazv6 @ Jun 12 2008, 02:20 PM)
If you read the first page of the pdf file, under abstract it says:
A method for securing firmware in a memory is provided. Memory data in the memory is checked. If the memory data in the memory meets a criterion, a host is allowed to read and write the entire memory.
So is it possible to read the firmware when the right code is inputed into the drive, or am i reading this wrong?
I agree with you
So for me, the "reduced mode" is always available
QUOTE
Here's what the patent says:
1. You cannot write to the flash while the FW is not empty (erased).
2. You can erase the FW at any time (no check needed).
3. You cannot read the FW. After uploading the FW, the chip will provide you with a verification result (CRC/MD5 etc). That way you can verify if the upload was sucessfull.
So, to update the FW, you need to:
1. Erase the FW.
2. Upload the new FW.
However, if you erase the FW, you lose the drive key. MS doesnt have that problem, since they know the drive key, which is matched up to the 360 serial (do they change the keys on refurb units with old serials but new drives?). This scheme sounds theoretically safe, and with the flash embedded inside the chip (external programmers will not be able to read it), will be a real bitch to bypass.
but if you enter the right password (possibly per unit), you can read/write the whole memory. Two things:
- Xboxs won't have to know the secret key, so you couldn't extract it from the Xbox motherboard
- Only a subset of the whole fonctionality (no way to read whol f/w) could be implemented
Post by: lorcace on June 12, 2008, 05:32:00 PM
1)Please read point 9 of page 6: You CANT read ALL memory through the download path!! It states it literally. The keyword here is "DOWNLOAD PATH"
2)In point 10 it says you can read the entire memory module if enabled (by some other checking logic). HOWEVER, it refers to the stand alone memory module. In this case this module is inside a SINGLE chip. What this means is that we cant desolder the chip and artificially insert the enable code.
3)As the only path available (physically) is the after mentioned "DOWNLOAD PATH", then (by point 9) you CANT read all the memory. Unless you know the "pattern" (which may be a function of the unknown key
)4) Read point 18 of page 6: If you update, then first you upload your new firmware into the FIFO buffer (inside the SAME CHIP) and it compares it INTERNALLY with the existing one (allegedly it compares the existing drive key with the one of the update firmware). If the comparison fails the update process fails.
I hope this clear any doubts. Seems that homebrew should now come into our rescue as it seems that we will have to extract the key directly from the mainboard (DAMMM!).
QUOTE(asdfqwer1 @ Jun 12 2008, 11:59 PM) 
Yes, you can read and write the memory data if the data in the memory meets a certain condition: that condition being that it's empty (erased). However, it's not really going to be helpfull to read a bunch of 0's. There is nothing in that patent about passwords, codes, drive keys, etc. All it says is that before you can read/write, you have to erase.
Post by: caster420 on June 17, 2008, 01:46:00 PM
QUOTE(reda @ Jun 17 2008, 03:07 PM)
Well... The MOBO checks the drive key and is able to read it somehow when it compares it. Unless there are some realtime RSA signing/encryption involved, the actual drive key must be passed in either direction when the check is performed (likely passed from the drive to the MOBO). In that case, it should be possible to make the drive reveal the key by sending the same commands to it as the MOBO does. If the situation is th opposite (the MOBO sends the expected key to the drive and the drive confirms it), it should be possible to make the MOBO reveal the key by simulating the drive response.
However, if the MOBO sends some random data, and the drive returns that data RSA-signed with the drive key, the situation is more complicated. But is this actually the case?
The key is not sent to the motherboard. Data is encrypted using the key and decrypted by the motheboard using its defined key.
Caster.
Post by: HackerSupreme on June 18, 2008, 02:14:00 PM
QUOTE(caster420 @ Jun 17 2008, 04:22 PM)
The key is not sent to the motherboard. Data is encrypted using the key and decrypted by the motheboard using its defined key.
Caster.
Since we know what data is transferred to the motherboard (being able to access all data on 360 discs) can't we just sniff the SATA bus on a drive we know the DVD key on and try to decrypt it using the DVD key? Maybe get a couple of drives with different keys to compare data and how it is encrypted?
It seems like we should be able to get a game, lets say cod4, and the first X number of bits of data sent, should be able to be maybe like brute force decrypted until it decrypts to the correct data and we know what the DVD key is for the LiteOn drive...
See what I am saying?
Post by: damn! on June 18, 2008, 05:40:00 PM
QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jun 18 2008, 10:50 PM)
Since we know what data is transferred to the motherboard (being able to access all data on 360 discs) can't we just sniff the SATA bus on a drive we know the DVD key on and try to decrypt it using the DVD key? Maybe get a couple of drives with different keys to compare data and how it is encrypted?
It seems like we should be able to get a game, lets say cod4, and the first X number of bits of data sent, should be able to be maybe like brute force decrypted until it decrypts to the correct data and we know what the DVD key is for the LiteOn drive...
See what I am saying?
What you mean is to find the algorythm of the encryption if i understand right. But I don't think this would work, let me just make an simple example:
Take a file, archive it 2 times with WinRAR without copression (!) and encrypt it with the same password. Then compare the two files and you will see that the two archives are completely different.
I don't know why it is so, because i don't know really much about encryption.
Post by: lorcace on June 18, 2008, 07:40:00 PM
We may be able to discover the key by sniffing some known data (known before encryption) that travels in the SATA bus by using brute force (applying the encryption algoritm to the known data with several keys until the sniffed data matches).
The only drawback of this method (and in it is a HUGE drawback) is that it seems that the data may be random at least by some degree because of possible jitter that may be injected in the encryption process. This means that the sniffed data may be different even when using the same key, this is not a uncommon encryption technique.
A basic example of this: Imagine that you would like to encrypt an 8 bytes string. What you would do is to find a 100Kb string which's CRC is equal to the 8 bytes you which to encrypt. Then you send the 100Kb string as the encrypted data. Upon reception, you calculate the 8 bytes CRC of the 100Kb string and you have your original data. The problem here is that there are many 100Kb strings which have the same 8 bytes CRC (you just used one using a random criteria). So unless you know the exact decryption process (which may depend on a decryption key, for example a masked CRC calculation) then it will be VERY difficult to apply our proposed hack method.
Further analysis of the firmware should be made to determine if this is a sound approach.
QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jun 18 2008, 09:50 PM)
Since we know what data is transferred to the motherboard (being able to access all data on 360 discs) can't we just sniff the SATA bus on a drive we know the DVD key on and try to decrypt it using the DVD key? Maybe get a couple of drives with different keys to compare data and how it is encrypted?
It seems like we should be able to get a game, lets say cod4, and the first X number of bits of data sent, should be able to be maybe like brute force decrypted until it decrypts to the correct data and we know what the DVD key is for the LiteOn drive...
See what I am saying?
Post by: HackerSupreme on June 20, 2008, 07:30:00 PM
QUOTE(johnny23 @ Jun 20 2008, 06:07 AM)
...blah blah blah...It recognised the drive as DG-16D2S which is correct and gave me the option to read, write or erase. ...blah blah blah...
Does anyone own a Lite On DH-16D2S drive? SATA DVD ROM...might be similar! Doesn't have a firmware updater tool or any downloads...shit...circuit board could be quite similar though...worth a look..
Look here
http://www.newegg.co...a...095&bop=And
There is the DH-162D2S-04 and the blah blah blah -08...interesting...
Post by: RelievedSimpleton on June 22, 2008, 05:03:00 PM
QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jun 20 2008, 10:06 PM)
Does anyone own a Lite On DH-16D2S drive? SATA DVD ROM...might be similar! Doesn't have a firmware updater tool or any downloads...shit...circuit board could be quite similar though...worth a look..
Look here
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=50001336+40000055+1036507747+1038406820&StoreType=7&CompareItemList=N82E16827106255%2cN82E16827106095&bop=And
There is the DH-162D2S-04 and the blah blah blah -08...interesting...
I'm assuming these drives are completely different because a PC drive wouldn't need all these extra protection schemes, but I'll link to the firmware and firmware update too anyways, in case it is useful.
http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/9993/
Post by: BigSteel on June 24, 2008, 10:02:00 PM
Post by: scuba156 on June 25, 2008, 05:00:00 AM
QUOTE(BigSteel @ Jun 25 2008, 02:38 PM)
OK, I think we have established that all the new xbox's, Lot 817 and above, come with Liteon drives. What we need to hear about now is what sorts of things we can do to get the firmware dumped.
absolutely nothing. no part of the firmware ever leaves the chip, and has no output pins for it either. there is no way to dump the firmware of the drive at all
Post by: bidomo on June 27, 2008, 01:01:00 AM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Jun 27 2008, 07:17 AM)
Guess again. This is unlike anything seen previously. Enjoy your originals.
Hehehe, nice one!
Well, I've sent my console for repair (no moded), and they sent me a new one, I guess the new drive comes in this one.
Some pal gave me a box for modding, and while I was reading the drive info, I've noticed the new drive and started searching...
This is a shame for piracy (enjoy originals (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)), but is a pain in the ass for the people who wants to protect their originals...
Post by: GoukiX on June 27, 2008, 01:16:00 AM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Jun 27 2008, 06:17 AM)
Guess again. This is unlike anything seen previously. Enjoy your originals.
yeh, good luck with the negativity, I've seen enough things thought impossible happen within the xbox community, this will be another walk in the park, you'll see.
Expect a "I told you" pm when it does.
peace out.
Post by: Garytek on June 27, 2008, 01:52:00 AM
QUOTE(GoukiX @ Jun 27 2008, 04:46 PM)
yeh, good luck with the negativity, I've seen enough things thought impossible happen within the xbox community, this will be another walk in the park, you'll see.
Expect a "I told you" pm when it does.
peace out.
That's a way to look at it bro. Although you should be worried with the method that will inevitably come out. If it turns out to be harder than doing the v79 then well that sucks.
Post by: scuba156 on June 27, 2008, 02:47:00 AM
there will NOT be a hack anytime soon and most possibly at any time in the future. there is 100% NO way to dump the firmware from the drive so it cannot be examined or altered at all, even with an external programmer. there are no pins for any important parts of the firmware to ever leave the TSOP.
the only way you will ever be able to play backups on a Lite-On machine is if a method to extract the DVD key straight from the Keyvault is found, and that very unlikely and wouldnt be of much use as the drive still wouldnt be able to be spoofed without first knowing the ins and outs of the Lite-On firmware.
now, on a site note, quite a few fraudsters in here that are about to get whats coming to them
This post has been edited by scuba156: Jun 27 2008, 09:48 AM
Post by: thebrave on June 27, 2008, 03:55:00 AM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Jun 27 2008, 10:47 AM)
sigh, i wish people would read.
there will NOT be a hack anytime soon and most possibly at any time in the future. there is 100% NO way to dump the firmware from the drive so it cannot be examined or altered at all, even with an external programmer. there are no pins for any important parts of the firmware to ever leave the TSOP.
the only way you will ever be able to play backups on a Lite-On machine is if a method to extract the DVD key straight from the Keyvault is found, and that very unlikely and wouldnt be of much use as the drive still wouldnt be able to be spoofed without first knowing the ins and outs of the Lite-On firmware.
now, on a site note, quite a few fraudsters in here that are about to get whats coming to them
I'm not sure I agree with you. It will be hard, yes, but IMHO, not all doors are closed yet.
Maybe I missed a few spots, but all they talking about is symetrical cryptography, which could be a vector of attack if the same sequence (init ?) is used in different drives & with differents seeds. That could give us access to the "user drive key" that allows us to perform read & writes on the discs as well as sending system commands to the DVD controller.
Then, we need the "drive key", and obviously MS won't use any part of it as the "user drive key", but maybe, some system DVD commands may allow us to read some bits of its ram and maybe get some clues.
Finally, the badass part: dumping/crafting/spoofing a compatible firmware. Well we don't know enough bit about that "root drive key" (wich maybe isn't so unique) and about the update command set to speculate on this one.
So for me: very hard. will need expensive equipment (still see that sata port as the weakest link) and a lot of players in need of their warz fix. (To get "support" from those commercial chip makers, never understood who they were (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) )
Have I made a mistake in the story ?
Post by: Garytek on June 27, 2008, 03:56:00 AM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Jun 27 2008, 06:17 PM)
sigh, i wish people would read.
there will NOT be a hack anytime soon and most possibly at any time in the future. there is 100% NO way to dump the firmware from the drive so it cannot be examined or altered at all, even with an external programmer. there are no pins for any important parts of the firmware to ever leave the TSOP.
the only way you will ever be able to play backups on a Lite-On machine is if a method to extract the DVD key straight from the Keyvault is found, and that very unlikely and wouldnt be of much use as the drive still wouldnt be able to be spoofed without first knowing the ins and outs of the Lite-On firmware.
now, on a site note, quite a few fraudsters in here that are about to get whats coming to them
Sigh, you love crushing people's dreams, don't you?
What's wrong with hoping? Playing the waiting game always work wonders in this industry. Beats waiting for the "true generation". You can drown in your petty pessimism if you want but please don't drag us cheery assholes with you.
Not bringing a spike-hurling jack-in-a-box to your doorstep man. Just saying.
Post by: VanydotK on June 27, 2008, 04:22:00 AM
This post has been edited by VanydotK: Jun 27 2008, 11:27 AM
Post by: scuba156 on June 27, 2008, 04:39:00 AM
QUOTE(thebrave @ Jun 27 2008, 07:55 PM)
I'm not sure I agree with you. It will be hard, yes, but IMHO, not all doors are closed yet.
Maybe I missed a few spots, but all they talking about is symetrical cryptography, which could be a vector of attack if the same sequence (init ?) is used in different drives & with differents seeds. That could give us access to the "user drive key" that allows us to perform read & writes on the discs as well as sending system commands to the DVD controller.
Then, we need the "drive key", and obviously MS won't use any part of it as the "user drive key", but maybe, some system DVD commands may allow us to read some bits of its ram and maybe get some clues.
Finally, the badass part: dumping/crafting/spoofing a compatible firmware. Well we don't know enough bit about that "root drive key" (wich maybe isn't so unique) and about the update command set to speculate on this one.
So for me: very hard. will need expensive equipment (still see that sata port as the weakest link) and a lot of players in need of their warz fix. (To get "support" from those commercial chip makers, never understood who they were
)Have I made a mistake in the story ?
AFAIK, theres no stored memory on it, the data goes straight from the laser, to the TSOP, then through the sata port (basically that is).
the key (or TSOP data) never leaves the TSOP, so it cannot be extracted from anywhere else and you cant guess the key by sniffing the sata port, theres millions of possible combinations and would take years to guess the key from the encryped data, and you would have to do it to every single console.
without getting a hold of the complete firmware, theres not much you can do anyway as you need to know the location of the drive id, and what the drive id even holds which means spoofing is out of the question
QUOTE(Garytek @ Jun 27 2008, 07:56 PM)
Sigh, you love crushing people's dreams, don't you?
What's wrong with hoping? Playing the waiting game always work wonders in this industry. Beats waiting for the "true generation". You can drown in your petty pessimism if you want but please don't drag us cheery assholes with you.
Not bringing a spike-hurling jack-in-a-box to your doorstep man. Just saying.
while its not just me thats said its impossible (and i dont mean on these forums either), hopes and dreams can lead to a downfall. for instance, do we really want everyone focusing on this when theres nothing that can be done? do we really want a hundred posts here every day asking when the drive will be hacked? should i not state valid information and just let everyone sit around and wait for a hack when i know there wont be one?
sorry, I didnt realize this place was meant to be full of false information and false hope to help people waste time on the impossible
Post by: HackerSupreme on June 27, 2008, 09:45:00 AM
Post by: Criville on June 29, 2008, 01:48:00 AM
All consoles I find in stores are 0817 or later. No second hand console for me again, since I got screwed up badly! (Still heatgunning that sh*t)
Now I guess it's "sit back and watch"-time, huh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif)
However, I'm with the guy that compared this sucker to the hitachi v79 that seemed nasty already (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lurk.gif)
Post by: Toddler on June 29, 2008, 03:33:00 AM
Post by: paulunit on June 29, 2008, 03:52:00 AM
Post by: Antman1 on June 29, 2008, 06:31:00 AM
QUOTE(paulunit @ Jun 29 2008, 04:52 AM)
The firmware on this new drive may be very similar to the benq, as i replaced a liteon with a a old benq drive i have, and it played most things(orginal xbox games), no error messages. when trying to run a backup i got the please place in a xbox 360 video.
Please elaborate. Did you say you replaced a new LiteOn Drive with a Benq Drive and they had the same Key?
Post by: EvilCloudStrife on June 29, 2008, 09:08:00 AM
QUOTE(paulunit @ Jun 29 2008, 10:52 AM)
The firmware on this new drive may be very similar to the benq, as i replaced a liteon with a a old benq drive i have, and it played most things(orginal xbox games), no error messages. when trying to run a backup i got the please place in a xbox 360 video.
Uhh... what?
Not likely. I think you are very confused.
This post has been edited by EvilCloudStrife: Jun 29 2008, 04:10 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on June 29, 2008, 09:12:00 AM
QUOTE(paulunit @ Jun 29 2008, 10:52 AM)
The firmware on this new drive may be very similar to the benq, as i replaced a liteon with a a old benq drive i have, and it played most things(orginal xbox games), no error messages. when trying to run a backup i got the please place in a xbox 360 video.
lol please don't come here expecting us to be little school kids in the playground.
It does not matter if the firmware is completely the same as the BenQ. Without getting the drive key from the LiteOn and inserting it into the benq the drive
!!!!!!WILL NEVER LOAD A GAME EVER!!!
It would be more believable if you came in here telling us you got a PS3 game to load in your Gameboy Color.
This post has been edited by Ranger72: Jun 29 2008, 04:14 PM
Post by: paulunit on June 29, 2008, 04:48:00 PM
Post by: kurrrrt on June 29, 2008, 05:56:00 PM
God i h8 Lite-On (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grr.gif) The drives are shit aswell lol.
Post by: HackerSupreme on June 29, 2008, 07:26:00 PM
Post by: fuckdead on June 29, 2008, 08:17:00 PM
Post by: VanydotK on June 30, 2008, 01:25:00 AM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Jun 27 2008, 12:15 PM)
sorry, I didnt realize this place was meant to be full of false information and false hope to help people waste time on the impossible
Of course, X-S forums are for false information and false hope.. the real information is at xboxhacker.net
Post by: logicwatch on June 30, 2008, 04:50:00 AM
QUOTE(VanydotK @ Jun 30 2008, 08:25 AM)
Of course, X-S forums are for false information and false hope.. the real information is at xboxhacker.net
Not quite I believe the real information is buried in the vaults of XBOX HQ and Liteon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
This post has been edited by logicwatch: Jun 30 2008, 11:54 AM
Post by: VanydotK on June 30, 2008, 11:31:00 AM
QUOTE(logicwatch @ Jun 30 2008, 11:50 AM)
Not quite I believe the real information is buried in the vaults of XBOX HQ and Liteon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Right.. because we have access to Microsoft and Lite-On's files, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: HackerSupreme on June 30, 2008, 12:07:00 PM
QUOTE(VanydotK @ Jun 30 2008, 01:31 PM)
Right.. because we have access to Microsoft and Lite-On's files, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Well who doesn't?
Post by: witchy2k1 on June 30, 2008, 12:32:00 PM
Oh well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Post by: logicwatch on June 30, 2008, 01:34:00 PM
QUOTE(witchy2k1 @ Jun 30 2008, 07:32 PM)
Just arrived home with a shiny new 360 Premium - nice shiny Lite-on drive in it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Oh well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
all new shiny 360s are shiny liteons unless you get old stock !!
Post by: rlee on February 03, 2020, 10:06:00 AM
Can someone post a picture of this drive with the dvd drive opened?
http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/dvd...itachi-benq.jpg
is that picture still good for determining if you have a hackable drive?
thx
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 01, 2008, 10:50:00 AM
Post by: rlee on February 03, 2020, 01:17:00 PM
Post by: CreisoN on February 03, 2020, 01:26:00 PM
This post has been edited by CreisoN: Yesterday, 09:34 PM
Post by: logicwatch on February 03, 2020, 01:35:00 PM
QUOTE(rlee @ Jul 1 2008, 09:17 PM)
so the only way to tell is by opening up the xbox and voiding the warranty?
pull face plate off look in small hole on right under dvd tray if cables are yellow your out of luck if its white you can flash as this means you have a benq vad 6038 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: bodybag on February 03, 2020, 02:27:00 PM
the mighty M$ have FINALLY got to us.....
Post by: HackerSupreme on February 03, 2020, 03:11:00 PM
QUOTE(bodybag @ Jul 1 2008, 05:27 PM)
Look PPL this drive is unhackable.....get over it!
the mighty M$ have FINALLY got to us.....
You don't know that.
Post by: bodybag on July 01, 2008, 04:21:00 PM
QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jul 1 2008, 11:11 PM)
You don't know that.
I do indeed, from the great mouths themselves...trust me!...they cant read the drive!
This post has been edited by bodybag: Jul 1 2008, 11:24 PM
Post by: HackerSupreme on February 03, 2020, 05:27:00 PM
This one is much more secure....it will be hacked I am sure...or a workaround created.
Post by: dunzz on July 01, 2008, 08:29:00 PM
The do stuff like this:
(IMG:http://flylogic.net/chippics/at91/fuses_sm.jpg)
That's a picture of the actual silicon inside of a chip. Those are the fuses, which they can manipulate. They can actually use some kind of laser and reattach testpoints within the silicon as well as unlock bits and they can even zoom in so far they can see the bits inside the memory:
(IMG:http://flylogic.net/chippics/at91/rombits.jpg)
So don't be so quick to say it can't be hacked just because its locked down. If these guys were to get ahold of it I bet they could find a way around this "security".
This post has been edited by dunzz: Jul 2 2008, 03:32 AM
Post by: scuba156 on July 02, 2008, 12:27:00 PM
QUOTE(dunzz @ Jul 2 2008, 12:29 PM)
To everyone who says it can't be hacked. I wouldn't be so sure. The chip can still be reverse engineered. Bunnie does this kind of stuff and also check these guys out http://www.flylogic.net/blog/ They've hacked plenty of "secure" chips before.
The do stuff like this:
pic removed for space
That's a picture of the actual silicon inside of a chip. Those are the fuses, which they can manipulate. They can actually use some kind of laser and reattach testpoints within the silicon as well as unlock bits and they can even zoom in so far they can see the bits inside the memory:
pic removed for space
So don't be so quick to say it can't be hacked just because its locked down. If these guys were to get ahold of it I bet they could find a way around this "security".
and are they going to do that same process for every single console? the key still needs to be known or exit the chip in some way (which it doesnt), otherwise even a modchip will not work
QUOTE
I do indeed, from the great mouths themselves...trust me!...they cant read the drive!
quite true indeedThis post has been edited by scuba156: Jul 2 2008, 07:30 PM
Post by: Reaper527 on July 02, 2008, 12:58:00 PM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Jun 27 2008, 07:15 AM)
while its not just me thats said its impossible (and i dont mean on these forums either), hopes and dreams can lead to a downfall. for instance, do we really want everyone focusing on this when theres nothing that can be done? do we really want a hundred posts here every day asking when the drive will be hacked?
if i can add my own two cents, discussion and trial/error are never a bad thing. the "it can't be done, so don't bother" attitude is why LBA48 support on the first xbox took so long to implement. people accepted it is impossible because some people said it was, then someone came and didn't believe the hype and made it happen.
i have no idea if this will be hacked or not, but definitely wouldn't discourage people from trying.
Post by: Garytek on July 02, 2008, 02:09:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Jul 3 2008, 04:28 AM)
if i can add my own two cents, discussion and trial/error are never a bad thing. the "it can't be done, so don't bother" attitude is why LBA48 support on the first xbox took so long to implement. people accepted it is impossible because some people said it was, then someone came and didn't believe the hype and made it happen.
i have no idea if this will be hacked or not, but definitely wouldn't discourage people from trying.
Exactly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) It's still too early to call it off. And it's not like there ARE a hundred whining posts flooding the internet everyday about Lite-On hacking. Pirated Xbox 360 game vendors will be the only ones devastated when the Lite-On does turn out to be unhackable. Other people could care less.
This post has been edited by Garytek: Jul 2 2008, 09:15 PM
Post by: Syberia on July 02, 2008, 07:13:00 PM
Does anyone know if it can be replaced with a Samsung Drive Model: TS-H943A MS-28 or any other?
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 02, 2008, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: BigSteel on July 02, 2008, 10:16:00 PM
QUOTE(Syberia @ Jul 2 2008, 07:13 PM)
I've bought recently a xbox 360 and it has a New Benq Drive Model: DG-16D2S FW:74850C.
Does anyone know if it can be replaced with a Samsung Drive Model: TS-H943A MS-28 or any other?
Does anyone know if it can be replaced with a Samsung Drive Model: TS-H943A MS-28 or any other?
Simple answer is no, for now anyways.
Post by: kanifee on July 03, 2008, 10:48:00 AM
Post by: Bayshido on July 03, 2008, 11:57:00 AM
QUOTE(kanifee @ Jul 3 2008, 07:24 PM)
Hi im in the uk and just got one of these, at first glance i thought it was a benq so i went ahead and started flashing, it wasnt until i got the numbers flicking baclwords and forwords as stated by others i realised it wasnt as nirmal as i thought, any way long story short now it wont play origanals just dvd movies, any ideas?
uuuu so you flashed you drive but wrong? wat dit you use and do you realy have this drive??
Post by: awaddon on July 03, 2008, 01:18:00 PM
The Patent mentions the Xbox but it also mentions the PS2... does that mean the chip is also inthe PS3???, probably not! so who knows if it is the same chip!,
We dont know for sure!!!...., the patent was filed in 2006, that means they already had created the chip and filed the patent to copyright the technology!, if they already had the chip back then, don't you think it would have been seen in the xbox 360 a bit sooner!!??
All im saying is lets not jump to conclusions and loose hope just coz it might be!
This post has been edited by awaddon: Jul 3 2008, 08:19 PM
Post by: Wilhelm_I on July 03, 2008, 01:18:00 PM
QUOTE(kanifee @ Jul 3 2008, 07:24 PM)
Hi im in the uk and just got one of these, at first glance i thought it was a benq so i went ahead and started flashing, it wasnt until i got the numbers flicking baclwords and forwords as stated by others i realised it wasnt as nirmal as i thought, any way long story short now it wont play origanals just dvd movies, any ideas?
Hmm
Looks like you managed to change the key of the drive then, probably you can only write to it but not read from it.
So Microsoft can change the dvd key in the NAND and the dvd drive...
Wont help much though.
Am just wondering, did you just flash the usual BenQ firmware to it?
If yes this means that the firmware is working just the key is wrong and so it doesnt play xbox games.
If anyone could confirm this we would only have to find a way to get the key somehow, too bad that I sold my Lite On console already...
Post by: scuba156 on July 03, 2008, 02:35:00 PM
QUOTE(awaddon @ Jul 4 2008, 05:18 AM)
Ok guys, everyone is saying this drive is unhackble because of this new chip blah blah blah,... but everyone is just 'ASSUMING' that this is the secure chip mentioned in the Mediatek patent!, It doesn't actually mention model numbers etc or say it is specifically for the xbox 360
The Patent mentions the Xbox but it also mentions the PS2... does that mean the chip is also inthe PS3???, probably not! so who knows if it is the same chip!,
We dont know for sure!!!...., the patent was filed in 2006, that means they already had created the chip and filed the patent to copyright the technology!, if they already had the chip back then, don't you think it would have been seen in the xbox 360 a bit sooner!!??
All im saying is lets not jump to conclusions and loose hope just coz it might be!
AFAIK, the patent isnt for the security really, its a patent for a method to be able to change the firmware at the hands of the company (ie, MS could update your firmware on your drive which would overwrite what is already on there). the problem is that the chip cannot be read
QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Jul 4 2008, 05:54 AM)
Hmm
Looks like you managed to change the key of the drive then, probably you can only write to it but not read from it.
So Microsoft can change the dvd key in the NAND and the dvd drive...
Wont help much though.
Am just wondering, did you just flash the usual BenQ firmware to it?
If yes this means that the firmware is working just the key is wrong and so it doesnt play xbox games.
If anyone could confirm this we would only have to find a way to get the key somehow, too bad that I sold my Lite On console already...
thats the most possible explanation. its been confirmed that its very possible to write to this new firmware chip in the Lite-On drives, but it just cannot be read. my guess would be that the Lite-On and BenQ firmware would be very similar (since its actually the same company), but that still needs to be confirmed and the per-console-key still needs to be known
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 03, 2008, 04:46:00 PM
Post by: Ultraison on July 04, 2008, 01:42:00 AM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Jun 25 2008, 12:36 PM)
absolutely nothing. no part of the firmware ever leaves the chip, and has no output pins for it either. there is no way to dump the firmware of the drive at all
So tell me, It reads the firmware key....how? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
I'm sure, that this will be some sort of timing attack, here in the future.
Post by: Wilhelm_I on July 04, 2008, 05:20:00 AM
QUOTE(Ultraison @ Jul 4 2008, 09:42 AM)
So tell me, It reads the firmware key....how? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
I'm sure, that this will be some sort of timing attack, here in the future.
M$ is able to change the dvd key in the NAND, they always do this when they replace a drive...
So it isnt necessary for them to read the key since they just set a new one in the NAND and flash the new dvd key to the drive...
The only way around it is to figure out how M$ sets the new key or some kind of timing attack(which would be pretty impossible I guess).
Post by: spacedmonkeys on July 04, 2008, 10:10:00 AM
QUOTE(kanifee @ Jul 3 2008, 05:24 PM)
Hi im in the uk and just got one of these, at first glance i thought it was a benq so i went ahead and started flashing, it wasnt until i got the numbers flicking baclwords and forwords as stated by others i realised it wasnt as nirmal as i thought, any way long story short now it wont play origanals just dvd movies, any ideas?
Erm my usual procedure for flashing BenQ involves...read firmware...get key...apply hack...erase firmware...write firmware.
So are you saying you got the key and tried to write firmware back? Or did you not notice that you didnt retrieve the drive key? and just flashed it back with a blank or FFFFFF key? Or did you make this up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: Wilhelm_I on July 04, 2008, 10:15:00 AM
QUOTE(spacedmonkeys @ Jul 4 2008, 06:10 PM)
Erm my usual procedure for flashing BenQ involves...read firmware...get key...apply hack...erase firmware...write firmware.
So are you saying you got the key and tried to write firmware back? Or did you not notice that you didnt retrieve the drive key? and just flashed it back with a blank or FFFFFF key? Or did you make this up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
maybe he already had the key from a previous flash but since this was warranty fraud I dont think so (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Or he forgot that it didnt dump it properly and didnt know what he was doing.
The 3rd option would be that he is lying but as scuba said already it is possible to write to the drive, you just cant read from it..
Post by: scuba156 on July 04, 2008, 10:01:00 AM
QUOTE(Ultraison @ Jul 4 2008, 05:42 PM)
So tell me, It reads the firmware key....how?
I'm sure, that this will be some sort of timing attack, here in the future.
it (i assume you mean the console) doesnt need to read the key from the DVD drive. the firmware encrypts the first so many bits using that key and sends the encrypted data to the console, which then decrypts it using the key it has stored in the keyvault. if it decrypts it correctly and understands it, it pairs the DVD drive to the motherboard and enables games to be read from the drive, otherwise it blocks that function. if the console send the key through to the console, then the whole key pairing would be pointless as a simple sata/bus sniffer could get the key with ease
QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Jul 4 2008, 09:20 PM)
M$ is able to change the dvd key in the NAND, they always do this when they replace a drive...
So it isnt necessary for them to read the key since they just set a new one in the NAND and flash the new dvd key to the drive...
The only way around it is to figure out how M$ sets the new key or some kind of timing attack(which would be pretty impossible I guess).
a timing attack is impossible on it, it functions differently to the 1BL.
MS dont change the key on any DVD drives, they get replaced and are hard programmed into the firmware with a random key, which is then (somehow) applied to the nand aswell. i would think it would be impossible to duplicate there process of injecting the key into the nand, as i would assume they use a very secure method with a set of unknown commands in a precise sequence (or timing) or could even use something similar to a private key to allow access to the nand. unless a high level MS engineer reveals it or someone stumbles across it by pure luck, its not an easy route to take.
hacking the drive is impossible at this point, the main place to look now it getting access to the nand which is going to be a tedious task as known hacks have been patched in newer consoles (timing attack no longer works, and without a modded drive, KK Linux wont boot either)
its the end of the firmware hack as we know it
Post by: Ultraison on July 04, 2008, 01:01:00 PM
QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Jul 4 2008, 12:20 PM)
M$ is able to change the dvd key in the NAND, they always do this when they replace a drive...
So it isnt necessary for them to read the key since they just set a new one in the NAND and flash the new dvd key to the drive...
The only way around it is to figure out how M$ sets the new key or some kind of timing attack(which would be pretty impossible I guess).
What i'm saying is, how the xbox checks the dvd key. How..... The firmware has to send something to the xbox, right?
Post by: Ranger72 on July 04, 2008, 01:25:00 PM
QUOTE(Ultraison @ Jul 4 2008, 08:01 PM)
What i'm saying is, how the xbox checks the dvd key. How..... The firmware has to send something to the xbox, right?
No it don't. Since the same key is also in the key vault of the 360 the 360 don't need to know the key. The drive encrypts the data using the drive key and the console decrypts the data using the key it already knows. So the key is NOT sent across the data cable. There is nothing to snoop to try and get this key.
Post by: mbx2814 on July 04, 2008, 11:50:00 PM
but some people have said that you are able to write to this drive, does this mean that you can write to the drive and play your backup games but not read the drive so you wont have a backup of the firmware?
and as of now there is no way to flash these correct?
Post by: Toddler on July 05, 2008, 01:33:00 AM
QUOTE(mbx2814 @ Jul 5 2008, 12:50 AM)
sorry if this seems out of place with all the reading/writing talk
but some people have said that you are able to write to this drive, does this mean that you can write to the drive and play your backup games but not read the drive so you wont have a backup of the firmware?
and as of now there is no way to flash these correct?
Writing to the drive = flashing. It's not logical to write "you are able to write to this drive" in one sentence and follow with "there is no way to flash these" in the next.
What this means is you may be able to flash the drive, but doing so will render it useless for playing 360 games, backups and originals.
Post by: thestanleycup on July 05, 2008, 02:47:00 AM
Post by: scuba156 on July 05, 2008, 03:08:00 AM
QUOTE(Ultraison @ Jul 5 2008, 05:01 AM)
What i'm saying is, how the xbox checks the dvd key. How..... The firmware has to send something to the xbox, right?
did you even read my post just above yours that answered that very question?
QUOTE(thestanleycup @ Jul 5 2008, 06:47 PM)
so if flash firmware is indeed impossible for this drive , what about a modchip instead of softmod????
without knowing exactly how the drive functions or being able to read the DVD key, a modchip is out of the question too
Post by: madferit on July 05, 2008, 07:53:00 AM
so since the drive functions with the older Benq firmware (plays movies, but not games because the key is unknown and is now wrong or blank), is it possible to flash the Benq firmware without touching the DVD drive key string in the existing firmware?
it would only update the firmware code to allow it to play backups, and the Lite-On key stays there untouched (and unknown, but if it'd work who'd care?)
after wrinting this post i think i'm just talking bollocks, but since we've got nothing to lose, i post anyway
cheers
Post by: scuba156 on July 05, 2008, 09:09:00 AM
QUOTE(madferit @ Jul 6 2008, 12:29 AM)
i'm not much of a wise guy in terms of code logic, or anything related to this subject, i read this thread since day 1, and after reading a few pages today i came into a thought (it's not even an idea, because i can be totally wrong and speaking bollocks).
so since the drive functions with the older Benq firmware (plays movies, but not games because the key is unknown and is now wrong or blank), is it possible to flash the Benq firmware without touching the DVD drive key string in the existing firmware?
it would only update the firmware code to allow it to play backups, and the Lite-On key stays there untouched (and unknown, but if it'd work who'd care?)
after wrinting this post i think i'm just talking bollocks, but since we've got nothing to lose, i post anyway
cheers
it could be possible if the benq firmware was 100% the same and kept the key in the exact same location, otherwise your going to get some problems.
the other problem is that its not easy to write to the drive either. the TSOP must be blank (or report as blank) for anything to be written to it. if that guy that posted here about him flashing a Lite-On is true (true as is he did it and it was in fact a Lite-On drive, not just a mis informed person screwing up his benq flash) then it shows its possible with the tools we already have.
on XBH, theres a rumour that someone has a dump of the Lite-On firmware (which sounded like it got given to him by someone, it would be someone from MS as the drive cannot be dumped). whether its true or not, i dont know but i dont beleive everything i read as its so easy for bullshit like that to spread and happens with just about everything
Post by: madferit on July 05, 2008, 10:21:00 AM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Jul 5 2008, 04:45 PM)
it could be possible if the benq firmware was 100% the same and kept the key in the exact same location, otherwise your going to get some problems.
the other problem is that its not easy to write to the drive either. the TSOP must be blank (or report as blank) for anything to be written to it. if that guy that posted here about him flashing a Lite-On is true (true as is he did it and it was in fact a Lite-On drive, not just a mis informed person screwing up his benq flash) then it shows its possible with the tools we already have.
on XBH, theres a rumour that someone has a dump of the Lite-On firmware (which sounded like it got given to him by someone, it would be someone from MS as the drive cannot be dumped). whether its true or not, i dont know but i dont beleive everything i read as its so easy for bullshit like that to spread and happens with just about everything
exactly, that's my main worrying too, it would be stupid that M$ spent so much time/effort/money to get an un-modable drive and then the dvd drive location was exactly in the same place and the Benq firmware would make it work too.
it's a long shot, but...
for the TSOP to report as blank i have no idea, but maybe someone else does.
i've been reading the thread on XBH too, if that's true, it can be a step closer to something interesting i suppose (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: joe_dm on July 05, 2008, 02:39:00 PM
anyone else annoyed about having this drive or the possibility of obtaining this drive should read this forum
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=655043
As for getting into the firmware let me make a suggestion to everyone. The drive may well have not be flashable... Everyone reporting the drive being returned from the repair center also had a motherboard replaced (due to RRoD). This means that the drive dosnt need its mobo thing flashed to match the motherboard... The motherboard could be paired to the drive or the motherboard could contain the key (think outside the box).
And about cutting cost... we all know that microsoft make a loss on the console and a profit on the games... Cutting cost on the drive is one possibility for the change... OR>>>>> Microsoft know that they are losing money on pirated software and as such, Would stand to GAIN more money by spending more money on an unhackable drive. As such... Forking out money for a new motherboard and DVD Rom drive evey time a repair comes in... It's well... Cost effective. It may well be unflashable. PLUS... PLUS... PLUS
and this is important.
Microsoft are planning on encorporating a sort of software homebrew into their Xbox Live. To be able to program your homebrewed software you are going to be required to pay for the development software.
Microsoft reckon that the original donkey kong hack was "intentional" for this homebrew section... But then later decided it was far too complex for the adverage hacker and came up with a new method.
In reality this is probably the reason for nobody with the firmware hack being banned as of yet as detection of hacked firmware is relativily simple.
Post by: scuba156 on July 05, 2008, 02:57:00 PM
QUOTE(joe_dm @ Jul 6 2008, 06:39 AM)
I for one recieved this Drive... Manufacture date March, 2008... I am outraged.
anyone else annoyed about having this drive or the possibility of obtaining this drive should read this forum
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=655043
As for getting into the firmware let me make a suggestion to everyone. The drive may well have not be flashable... Everyone reporting the drive being returned from the repair center also had a motherboard replaced (due to RRoD). This means that the drive dosnt need its mobo thing flashed to match the motherboard... The motherboard could be paired to the drive or the motherboard could contain the key (think outside the box).
And about cutting cost... we all know that microsoft make a loss on the console and a profit on the games... Cutting cost on the drive is one possibility for the change... OR>>>>> Microsoft know that they are losing money on pirated software and as such, Would stand to GAIN more money by spending more money on an unhackable drive. As such... Forking out money for a new motherboard and DVD Rom drive evey time a repair comes in... It's well... Cost effective. It may well be unflashable. PLUS... PLUS... PLUS
and this is important.
Microsoft are planning on encorporating a sort of software homebrew into their Xbox Live. To be able to program your homebrewed software you are going to be required to pay for the development software.
Microsoft reckon that the original donkey kong hack was "intentional" for this homebrew section... But then later decided it was far too complex for the adverage hacker and came up with a new method.
In reality this is probably the reason for nobody with the firmware hack being banned as of yet as detection of hacked firmware is relativily simple.
very miss informed post.
first of, the reason for the unique DVD key is to pair the motherboard to the DVD drive. its been known for a LONG time that the DVD key is also stored in the nand on the motherboard. the nand is encrypted and cannot be accessed without knowing the CPU key to decrypt it.
MS dont flash drives during a repair. they print the firmware to the TSOP on the drive drive with a random DVD key at the time of manufacturing. that same key is then injected into the nand on the motherboard
donkey kong hack? i think you mean king kong, especially as Donkey Kong is a Nintendo Licensed franchise.
MS have already released tools at a price to create your own homebrew. its called XNA, costs $100 a year, but is very very limited to what can be created with it (no apps, only games)
hundreds, if not thousands, have been banned for using backups in there console. only backups can be detected, firmware cannot be detected due to firmguard and the likes
Post by: mbx2814 on July 05, 2008, 09:23:00 PM
does anyone know when these new drives hit the US? im gunna ask stores if they can sell me older orders but I dont know what month to tell them. You think best buy, circuit city, and gamestops know which xbox came it at which date?
Post by: Toddler on July 05, 2008, 09:56:00 PM
Since you didn't, here you go. Lot 810 and earlier is almost 100% not a Lite-On. Since then, they've been phasing them in. Lot 813 for sure has them, and by lot 817 I think they're almost all Lite-On drives. You can see the lot number on the outside of the box without opening it. There's probably a few left out there, but good luck.
Post by: zool2k on July 06, 2008, 01:28:00 PM
"The patent isnt bullshit, misimplemented, a distraction, or any thing else.
The drive was designed ON PURPOSE not to be read out. Get over it!
No amount of random $#!t is gonna dump that drive. Random $#!t never hacked any part of this system.
A physical attack (aka flylogic) to get the key or the flash contents would need to be repeated for each drive.
This is destructive, and not cost effective. Additionally flash contents are invisible to scanning electron microscope.
The drive key is set by a special command, common to all models. After that it never appears on the bus again.
There is NO WAY EVER to brute force, sniff, or guess the key. This situation has been discussed MANY times prior to this drives appearance. Think about it, if there were such a thing, there wouldnt be all the "lost my drive key, oh what will I do?" posts.
As Arakon has stated, "there is NO other way to launch the sploit other than kk"
I would add that KK is the ONLY sploit that works. The KK sploit demands that the drive be equipped with a dvd key. The title involved is signed to ONLY run from xdvd. The title will not run from anywhere else. THERE IS NO WAY TO RUN THE KK SPLOIT FROM HDD OR ANYWHERE ELSE! There is no *secret* sploit, gamesave sploit or any other kind of sploit. This has been true since the sploit was discovered and remains true today.
The *only* way any of you are ever gonna play "backups" again is if a new system exploit is found or if MTK leaks details of a backdoor. Both scenarios are highly unlikely.
There has been little to no progress on that front in quite some time now, and not being able to launch a modified xdvd, due to the new drives inability to play "backups", makes it more unlikely than ever before.
"The experts" are not even working on this, there is essentially no place to start."
WE ARE FUCKED
Post by: Toddler on July 06, 2008, 03:51:00 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on July 06, 2008, 04:32:00 PM
QUOTE(zool2k @ Jul 6 2008, 09:04 PM)
No big deal. Just use your retail games. I do believe that MS will replace damaged disks.
We all knew this was coming. I was surprised that it took MS this long to get it right.
This post has been edited by Ranger72: Jul 6 2008, 11:33 PM
Post by: Min on July 06, 2008, 05:11:00 PM
Back to the drive though , I'm not sure if this was good move on ms part , as much as people will deny it , there are plenty of people who will only buy a console if it can be hacked. Also at the moment they are having a hard fight against the ps3 in Europe , ability to play "backed up games" may of been one of the things keeping it a float , especially with it's un-reliability. Also now the ps3 seems to be picking up speed before it was
PS3 = Decent selection of exclusives + the multi-platform games + reliable.
360= Decent selection of exclusives + the multi-platform , but not the greatest machine in terms of reliability, whether it's the rrod or it munching down on your discs , but can be hacked.
Now it's pretty much the same situation , but no more "backed up games" , which could turn to the ps3's favour.
I just think maybe it may of been a necessary evil to help out against the ps3. Even Sony admitted it helps drive the psp's sales.
We shall see if the sales drop though in the coming months I guess.
Post by: podger on July 06, 2008, 05:40:00 PM
This strictly an anti-piracy move, why would they ever see selling a console that may never have a game attached as a good thing, even it did get their numbers up.....
This post has been edited by podger: Jul 7 2008, 12:49 AM
Post by: Min on July 06, 2008, 05:57:00 PM
Of course they don't want to sell consoles they may never see games attached to , but not everyone will buy for the sole reason of pirating , plenty of people will still buy games even when the option not to is available. There are a lot that won't though , so you take the console sale , can claim you have sold X amount of consoles and are beating the competitor or lose the sale altogether. What would you prefer a sale cos it can be hacked , that you can add to your overall sales and make it look better , or no sale at all because it can't. Either way you get nothing from games. Even with the no games you'll still get stuff from accessories , live subs etc.
Add the appalling reliability of the 360 and I think this will make people turn away from it.
This post has been edited by Min: Jul 7 2008, 01:00 AM
Post by: Toddler on July 06, 2008, 07:14:00 PM
Yes, they lose money on the console, but they make it up on peripherals. In that sense, it's no different than the MSN/eBay promos currently running or the $20 Google Checkout discount. On paper, it is simply as an investment. Truthfully, Microsoft has never had a philosophical problem with "buying" market share. Microsoft's console division doesn't care nearly as much as game developers do, and especially third-party developers like EA make a big stink about it when there are 40,000 folks "testing" CoD4 in the two weeks before release. They see that as 40,000 sales and $2.4 million lost at retail.
At any rate, Microsoft does not see things Min's way, so at the end of the day, I suppose we should just be glad it lasted this long and move on.
Post by: hardie on July 06, 2008, 11:55:00 PM
Post by: beatendown666 on July 07, 2008, 12:06:00 AM
Post by: mr2000jp on July 07, 2008, 07:23:00 AM
QUOTE(VanydotK @ Jun 30 2008, 10:25 AM)
Of course, X-S forums are for false information and false hope.. the real information is at xboxhacker.net
heack, you are totally right
Post by: jedimaca on July 07, 2008, 10:14:00 AM
Post by: Reaper527 on July 07, 2008, 10:45:00 AM
QUOTE(beatendown666 @ Jul 7 2008, 02:06 AM)
Thank god My two year old xbox360 has never RRoD on me. Time to buy another samsung ms25 on ebay before there all gone (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif) .
what exactly is a samsung going to do for you? if your system dies, and you have to get a new one, it will have the liteon drive.
at this point, you will have no way to extract the key from your new system, and you won't be able to use the samsung with it.
Post by: zool2k on July 07, 2008, 10:55:00 AM
QUOTE(jedimaca @ Jul 7 2008, 06:14 PM)
Just wish everyone would stop being so pessimistic about this new drive its only a matter of time before someone hacks it, look at the Nintendo Wii's D2C that was supposed to be unhackable.Where there is a will there is a way it may not ever be flashable but i bet Team Underdog and Infectus are working on a way to get a modchip working on it as we speak. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
NO they are not even working on it!
There is no fucking way the FIRMWARE will ever release this chip because there is no need to!!
Post by: HOMiE7 on July 07, 2008, 10:58:00 AM
QUOTE(jedimaca @ Jul 7 2008, 08:14 PM)
Just wish everyone would stop being so pessimistic about this new drive its only a matter of time before someone hacks it, look at the Nintendo Wii's D2C that was supposed to be unhackable.Where there is a will there is a way it may not ever be flashable but i bet Team Underdog and Infectus are working on a way to get a modchip working on it as we speak. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Yeah, and now look at PS3 - still not hacked...
Post by: martin.ca on July 07, 2008, 11:48:00 AM
Luckily, all the stores around me are still selling 360s with Benq drive.
This post has been edited by martin.ca: Jul 7 2008, 06:49 PM
Post by: beatendown666 on July 07, 2008, 12:22:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Jul 7 2008, 10:45 AM)
what exactly is a samsung going to do for you? if your system dies, and you have to get a new one, it will have the liteon drive.
at this point, you will have no way to extract the key from your new system, and you won't be able to use the samsung with it.
I know that, but if the dvd drive breaks or wears out from use I will have a flashable replacement. Judging on the good luck I have been having I am hoping my 360 won't RRoD.The only problem I had with mine was it eats discs and no I don't move it well it's on and it's on a stable surface,but I fixed that with the foam rubber fix.
Post by: zdx on July 07, 2008, 03:21:00 PM
QUOTE(martin.ca @ Jul 7 2008, 07:48 PM)
I guess it's time to stock up on 360 with Benq drives so I can still play backup.
Luckily, all the stores around me are still selling 360s with Benq drive.
Where do you live ?
Post by: martin.ca on July 07, 2008, 03:28:00 PM
QUOTE(zdx @ Jul 7 2008, 04:21 PM)
Where do you live ?
Ontario, Canada.
I'm actually surprised as the manufacturer date are all in late April, I thought it was gonna be with LiteOn for sure.
Will I pick up 2 additional premiums with Benq this weekend. Worse case is I don't need it and can sell it for capital gain. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
This post has been edited by martin.ca: Jul 7 2008, 10:28 PM
Post by: 9tEk on July 07, 2008, 07:17:00 PM
Next question would be, as the vendor told me the newer 360`s would have an updated mainboard where the rrod no more occurs. Is that true? Since when is that so (lot nr. /date) ?
thanks and cheers
Post by: Ranger72 on July 07, 2008, 07:30:00 PM
QUOTE(9tEk @ Jul 8 2008, 02:17 AM)
So, after receiving my repaired 360 with a lite-on drive (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I just went out and bought the only 360 with an older lot number I could find. Sadly its an Hitachi-LG v.0079FL (lot nr.731). So I know its a little bit ot but after a little research with google and on this side I came to the conclusion this drive is only flashable with an chip soldered? Please can someone confirm this, as the information I read were old/dated. Shiat if this is true ths means more trouble...and I thought buy - flash - play (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Next question would be, as the vendor told me the newer 360`s would have an updated mainboard where the rrod no more occurs. Is that true? Since when is that so (lot nr. /date) ?
thanks and cheers
You need a Passkey chip to flash the 79 drive.
Post by: Toddler on July 08, 2008, 05:46:00 AM
Post by: caster420 on July 08, 2008, 06:30:00 AM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Jul 8 2008, 07:46 AM)
There are also pros here who can take your 79 drive, read the flash and replace it with a 78 chip spoofed to 79 so you don't need a Passkey and can easily flash yourself in the future if needed. Seems a better option to me than a Passkey.
It is, assuming you can find someone you trust to desolder your tsop and reprogram it. I havent looked in the installers forum lately but i doubt many of them actually offer this service.
Caster.
Post by: zool2k on July 08, 2008, 06:43:00 AM
go and buy a xbox console from ebay........its better and easier!
people with the lite-on drive : we are all fucked (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Post by: thaiboxer on July 08, 2008, 07:47:00 AM
QUOTE(zool2k @ Jul 8 2008, 08:43 AM)
to return to the topic of the thread:
go and buy a xbox console from ebay........its better and easier!
people with the lite-on drive : we are all fucked (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
there is still some left in the stores with benq drives, you just have to look for manufactured date around march/08
Post by: signum on July 08, 2008, 09:53:00 AM
What can't be done now will be done later.
When the BenQ when first release was impossible to read/write the drive and it took over 9 months for it to be hacked.
Just give it time. It has only been released and we probably will have something end of the year.
Until then, best to stock up on an extra 360 with a benq for the future.
Post by: scuba156 on July 08, 2008, 12:22:00 PM
QUOTE(signum @ Jul 9 2008, 01:53 AM)
There will always be a way to hack it.
What can't be done now will be done later.
When the BenQ when first release was impossible to read/write the drive and it took over 9 months for it to be hacked.
Just give it time. It has only been released and we probably will have something end of the year.
Until then, best to stock up on an extra 360 with a benq for the future.
your not getting it. the benq was different, it actually did read the firmware out. but with the new Lite-On drive, the firmware never leaves the TSOP and actually has NO pins that allow the firmware to ever leave the chip. theres 100% NO way to read the firmware at all, not now, or in the future. its physically impossible
This post has been edited by scuba156: Jul 8 2008, 07:23 PM
Post by: kaizzen23 on July 08, 2008, 12:43:00 PM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Jul 8 2008, 07:22 PM)
your not getting it. the benq was different, it actually did read the firmware out. but with the new Lite-On drive, the firmware never leaves the TSOP and actually has NO pins that allow the firmware to ever leave the chip. theres 100% NO way to read the firmware at all, not now, or in the future. its physically impossible
Hi, when you say impossible to hack the lite-on. Does this also mean no mod chip in the future or any other form of hack (HDDLoader) will allow a console with a lite-on to play backups? MS have stepped up with a final solution to prevent future piracy on the newer model x-360?
I know this is the DVD Firmware hack section, however I thought I'd ask as you seem quite informed on the subject.
Cheers
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 08, 2008, 12:40:00 PM
Post by: lorcace on July 08, 2008, 01:00:00 PM
QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jul 8 2008, 08:16 PM)
Couldn't you put some type of modchip between the laser and the PCB?
In fact this is what I been thinking more and more. I mean EVERY media can be faked at some point. At this time it seems that a hardware device connected at the DVD controller's chip "capable of emulating the DVD"
!! is the only way for playing backups. As I understand we can read all the DVD contents but cant fully reproduce a DVD. This reminds me of the N64 backuping methods. Hell you could even have the images in an HD 
. However this would require quite a nice pice of HW 
.NOW is the time for the big names to start building something worth the while. I mean, a bunch of cables cant be seriously called moding equipment. Ehhh mmmm Xecuter?
Post by: speedspeed on July 08, 2008, 02:02:00 PM
QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jul 8 2008, 09:16 PM)
Couldn't you put some type of modchip between the laser and the PCB?
i think without a correct key any type of modchip is pointless
i mean first you need to get the key
and thats the whole issue here
we cannot get the key
This post has been edited by speedspeed: Jul 8 2008, 09:03 PM
Post by: Min on July 08, 2008, 02:13:00 PM
These forums may become a lonely place (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) and with the reliability of the consoles , us with hacked drives may become endangered (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif).
Post by: scuba156 on July 08, 2008, 01:47:00 PM
QUOTE(kaizzen23 @ Jul 9 2008, 04:43 AM)
Hi, when you say impossible to hack the lite-on. Does this also mean no mod chip in the future or any other form of hack (HDDLoader) will allow a console with a lite-on to play backups? MS have stepped up with a final solution to prevent future piracy on the newer model x-360?
I know this is the DVD Firmware hack section, however I thought I'd ask as you seem quite informed on the subject.
Cheers
another kind of hack may appear but its not something anyone is working on and is very unlikely. this is just the end of firmware hacks, it may or may not be the end of any other hacks
QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jul 9 2008, 05:16 AM)
Couldn't you put some type of modchip between the laser and the PCB?
to do what exactly? it will have to be a good modchip to intercept the data and make it make it appear as original and do it with out getting a time-out on the drive. the TSOP will be expecting the data within an allotted time frame before it attempts to read again or give an error from my understanding
a modchip wont work yet, it wont be able to intercept correct data and alter it. AFAIK, current modchips intercept the required data while it goes between 2 chips on the DVD pcb, but this time, everything is in the TSOP which communicates directly to the sata port
Post by: Potenza on July 08, 2008, 03:11:00 PM
If the firmware can not be read at all and will never leave the TSOP, which I will not doubt, in my opinion the key must be able to leave anyway. Otherwise how the hell would the BOX now it's a valid drive?
And I guess it must use the same validation system as the old 360 right? Otherwise MS would have rewritten things completely.
I'm just technically interested, not arguing. The point being that IF that german guy has a VALID firmware dump from somwhere, I am just wondering if we can "sniff" the key somehow?
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 08, 2008, 03:17:00 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on July 08, 2008, 03:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Potenza @ Jul 8 2008, 10:11 PM)
If the firmware can not be read at all and will never leave the TSOP, which I will not doubt, in my opinion the key must be able to leave anyway. Otherwise how the hell would the BOX now it's a valid drive?
If you had read any of the last few pages you would already know this is not the case.
As HackerSupreme stated. The key never leaves the drive.
Post by: signum on July 08, 2008, 05:54:00 PM
The key is inside the NAND chip? Well someone claims they have dumped that but it is knowing where to look for the drive key.
I think there will be some kind of modchip which will replace the NAND chip on the drive.
To say it is impossible now doesn't man it is impossible later.
Obviously i think what you guys might be saying is don't expect anything from this drive any time soon.
Post by: Ranger72 on July 08, 2008, 06:43:00 PM
QUOTE(signum @ Jul 9 2008, 12:54 AM)
Obviously i think what you guys might be saying is don't expect anything from this drive any time soon.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Post by: ProphetOfPain on July 08, 2008, 10:52:00 PM
QUOTE(signum @ Jul 9 2008, 12:54 AM)
Why is everyone being so naive about it is impossible to hack and that's it because we said so.
The key is inside the NAND chip? Well someone claims they have dumped that but it is knowing where to look for the drive key.
I think there will be some kind of modchip which will replace the NAND chip on the drive.
To say it is impossible now doesn't man it is impossible later.
Obviously i think what you guys might be saying is don't expect anything from this drive any time soon.
Geezus.. this is like pulling teeth... they're reffering to the NAND on the 360 motherboard. Now *THINK*.. you can get the dvd drive key from the nand on the motherboard, BUT... you have to have a modified drive as part of the equation to do the hack. Read it again if you have too. No key from the DVD drive, NO KEY period.
I love the spirit of hacking and modding as much as the next person, but I think people sometimes don't get how difficult something can be. And low and behold even in the electronic realm something can be ELECTRICALLY impossible. When you hear one of these guys tell you what's impossible it's not that he's saying hacking is impossible it's just the method of attack that we are discussing IS from an electronic and digital point of view. You can wish the sky to be yellow, but it just isn't going to happen. Accept it and move on. Focuss on another area. Why waste time on these new drives, by the time something would be figured out, Microsoft will be trying to roll out a new console.. peace..
Post by: Jack21 on July 10, 2008, 01:37:00 AM
And yes, there would be a really small percentage of people with the knowledge, expertise, and equipment to do such a thing.
Post by: scuba156 on July 10, 2008, 03:56:00 AM
Post by: Min on July 10, 2008, 01:41:00 PM
Manage to get a lot 0744 Arcade pack , 175W , made in november , benq (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif).
UK , so still seems to be old flashable drives out if you look (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif).
Post by: slickz01 on July 10, 2008, 05:13:00 PM
QUOTE(Min @ Jul 11 2008, 05:41 AM)
Old boxes still seem to be out there , didn't like the way this is going so decided to buy a spare as my current box is getting onto 2 years old now.
Manage to get a lot 0744 Arcade pack , 175W , made in november , benq (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif).
UK , so still seems to be old flashable drives out if you look (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif).
Seems like a smart idea considering the current state of this new drive. My x360 is about 2yo not including the fact that it was replaced twice during its warranty. Picked up a lot 802 arcade here in Australia last week for $278AUD brand new as a backup. The poor girl at big w was a bit lost to why i got her to pull out all the arcades so i could read all the lot numbers. Most were 825 but there was still one 802 left. Checked it when i got home and its a Benq so ripped the key and packed it back up for a rainy day.
Is not the fact that I want to copy games as I only play originals but with the amount of problems my old xbox gave me with the dvd drive I dont like the idea that I wouldn't be able to fix this new one myself. Not everyone is a pirate you know M$ some ppl do prefer ninjas. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Post by: lorcace on July 10, 2008, 06:23:00 PM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Jul 8 2008, 09:23 PM)
another kind of hack may appear but its not something anyone is working on and is very unlikely. this is just the end of firmware hacks, it may or may not be the end of any other hacks
to do what exactly? it will have to be a good modchip to intercept the data and make it make it appear as original and do it with out getting a time-out on the drive. the TSOP will be expecting the data within an allotted time frame before it attempts to read again or give an error from my understanding
a modchip wont work yet, it wont be able to intercept correct data and alter it. AFAIK, current modchips intercept the required data while it goes between 2 chips on the DVD pcb, but this time, everything is in the TSOP which communicates directly to the sata port
OK what I say is that this may be difficult but feasible, and considering that most approaches had been deemed impossible, I think "feasible" is an starting point.
Consider that we KNOW what the dvd controller expects from the laser at any given moment (we know all the disc contents). Thus, it may be possible to "emulate" the disc so that the DVD controller thinks that there is a physical original game.
A rough approach would require a sniffer which would monitor the instructions (NOT ATA instructions but the actual instructions to the optical/mechanical assembly!!) of the LiteOn controller so that if it attempts to access parts of the DVD which are not equal in the backup and the original, then the modchip would respond with the correct information. This addresses the positioning of the security sectors. It would be necessary for the modchip to "preload" this information in some kind of RAM. This may be difficult as the modchip can't actually "control" the dvd, however, I can think of many solutions for this particular problem.
With this approach YOU WONT NEED THE KEY. The (big) drawback is that it would require pretty good HW.
Post by: apease11 on July 10, 2008, 09:08:00 PM
Post by: scuba156 on July 10, 2008, 10:45:00 PM
QUOTE(lorcace @ Jul 11 2008, 10:59 AM)
OK what I say is that this may be difficult but feasible, and considering that most approaches had been deemed impossible, I think "feasible" is an starting point.
Consider that we KNOW what the dvd controller expects from the laser at any given moment (we know all the disc contents). Thus, it may be possible to "emulate" the disc so that the DVD controller thinks that there is a physical original game.
A rough approach would require a sniffer which would monitor the instructions (NOT ATA instructions but the actual instructions to the optical/mechanical assembly!!) of the LiteOn controller so that if it attempts to access parts of the DVD which are not equal in the backup and the original, then the modchip would respond with the correct information. This addresses the positioning of the security sectors. It would be necessary for the modchip to "preload" this information in some kind of RAM. This may be difficult as the modchip can't actually "control" the dvd, however, I can think of many solutions for this particular problem.
With this approach YOU WONT NEED THE KEY. The (big) drawback is that it would require pretty good HW.
heres a quote from Tiros on XboxHacker.net to someone who asked this same question (intercepting the data from the laser):
QUOTE
On the subject of dvd emu:
The drive doesn't encrypt ALL the data that the drive sends back, nor is it recvd ALL encrypted from host.
But the critical challenge and response, the actual authentification of the media, is.
Thats why the drive may play a dvd, but not a game, without a key.
Simplified view:
Theres more to booting a game than just reading filesystem data. The media needs to be authenticated too.
Several challenges are sent encrypted to the drive. (mode selects)
The FW hack knows what challenge is being issued, cause it can decode the challenge with the drives key.
It looks up the challenge in a table for the correct response to that challenge.
It knows how to encrypt its response using the same key, and sends result.
The number of challenges is a fixed qty, but they may be sent in any order. The challenge may not be "guessed" or anticiapted.
Any "man in the middle" emu would not be able to participate in this "conversation" since it would not know the key the host used to encode the challenge. IE the emu would not knowl what response to provide, since it cant decode the challenge. In fact it could not even spoof the reply, since it can not encrypt a response either.
This is the primary reason for the whole encrypted CR scheme.
The drive doesn't encrypt ALL the data that the drive sends back, nor is it recvd ALL encrypted from host.
But the critical challenge and response, the actual authentification of the media, is.
Thats why the drive may play a dvd, but not a game, without a key.
Simplified view:
Theres more to booting a game than just reading filesystem data. The media needs to be authenticated too.
Several challenges are sent encrypted to the drive. (mode selects)
The FW hack knows what challenge is being issued, cause it can decode the challenge with the drives key.
It looks up the challenge in a table for the correct response to that challenge.
It knows how to encrypt its response using the same key, and sends result.
The number of challenges is a fixed qty, but they may be sent in any order. The challenge may not be "guessed" or anticiapted.
Any "man in the middle" emu would not be able to participate in this "conversation" since it would not know the key the host used to encode the challenge. IE the emu would not knowl what response to provide, since it cant decode the challenge. In fact it could not even spoof the reply, since it can not encrypt a response either.
This is the primary reason for the whole encrypted CR scheme.
QUOTE(apease11 @ Jul 11 2008, 01:08 PM)
If I read this right, all of the people who sent their xbox's in for repair that had already flashed their firmware, recieved the new drive. The drives wthat wern't flashed before didn't recieve the new one. If I read it correct, I think that Microsoft is switching reflashed ODDs with the new ones so that you can't flash it again. They probably figured that if it wasn't already reflashed when they recieved it then they must not know how, thus not sending the new drive back. Well thats my idea, and has anyone tried to remove the epoxy and the chip on the new drive and have an inside look at it?
did you read the thread at all?
Lite-On drives are also in new consoles, and are in ALL repaired consoles. the only reason a few didnt have them at the start of this thread was due them them only just being released.
theres no external programmer that can read the chip, in fact, the firmware will NEVER leave the chip for any reason at all (hardware limitations)
Post by: lorcace on July 10, 2008, 11:55:00 PM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Jul 11 2008, 06:21 AM)
heres a quote from Tiros on XboxHacker.net to someone who asked this same question (intercepting the data from the laser):
did you read the thread at all?
Lite-On drives are also in new consoles, and are in ALL repaired consoles. the only reason a few didnt have them at the start of this thread was due them them only just being released.
theres no external programmer that can read the chip, in fact, the firmware will NEVER leave the chip for any reason at all (hardware limitations)
This approach will surely demonstrate to be non operant however it seems that you still dont understand what Im saying.
From the xboxhacker post (which I had already seen): "Any "man in the middle" emu would not be able to participate in this "conversation" since it would not know the key the host used to encode the challenge"
The post from xboxhacker refers to the SATA bus not the laser!!
THE DATA FROM THE LASER IS NOT encypted!!! (a laser cannot encrypt data can it?? )
THE DATA FROM THE LASER IS RAW UNENCRYPTED DATA. Which we already know (we can read all of the disk's data)
I have looked to all threads in xboxhacker and xboxscene and still haven't found a solid argument against this approach. (Other than it would be difficult to implement, but that is not a valid argument when we are dealing with the impossible is it?)
Post by: scuba156 on July 11, 2008, 03:21:00 AM
QUOTE
That was going to be tried way back when the ps2 was released based on a conversation i had with gigi of the origa brothers and a parasitic modchip which was deemed unreasonable and expensive, the data couldnt be changed fast enough. Even if you could find a device fast enough to do this, it would fail the crc check when it hit the firmware, you might aswell say modify the data on the disc which then fails on the same crc check as the data coming from the disc would be the same if you alter it post laser the firmware upto yet cannot be altered so again a dead end Sad
unless its a full dvd emulator then we could make the disk look like anything you want.
unless its a full dvd emulator then we could make the disk look like anything you want.
i cant really comment on the subject too much as its out of my league and cant really say if its plausible (if possible)
Post by: Alexus I on July 11, 2008, 03:59:00 AM
QUOTE(lorcace @ Jul 11 2008, 10:31 AM)
This approach will surely demonstrate to be non operant however it seems that you still dont understand what Im saying.
From the xboxhacker post (which I had already seen): "Any "man in the middle" emu would not be able to participate in this "conversation" since it would not know the key the host used to encode the challenge"
The post from xboxhacker refers to the SATA bus not the laser!!
THE DATA FROM THE LASER IS NOT encypted!!! (a laser cannot encrypt data can it?? )
THE DATA FROM THE LASER IS RAW UNENCRYPTED DATA. Which we already know (we can read all of the disk's data)
I have looked to all threads in xboxhacker and xboxscene and still haven't found a solid argument against this approach. (Other than it would be difficult to implement, but that is not a valid argument when we are dealing with the impossible is it?)
It's impossible becouse crc check fail on changing data this parasitic chip!
Post by: scuba156 on July 11, 2008, 12:06:00 PM
QUOTE(Alexus I @ Jul 11 2008, 07:59 PM)
It's impossible becouse crc check fail on changing data this parasitic chip!
the challange/response does not have a CRC check on it, otherwise current firmware modifications would not be usable as be cannot sign anything.
Post by: xbox360sexual on July 11, 2008, 02:52:00 PM
Post by: fitsman on July 11, 2008, 03:27:00 PM
Or we can?
Post by: scuba156 on July 12, 2008, 12:29:00 AM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Jul 12 2008, 06:52 AM)
Errr... who gives a fuck if you could ever alter or intercept laser data? The key never passes across this anyway..
and why do we need the key? if you can have a chip that will send the correct challenge/response timing when there requested to the TSOP, then the key is not needed as the data gets changed before it even sees it
Post by: Alexus I on July 12, 2008, 03:38:00 AM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Jul 11 2008, 10:42 PM)
the challange/response does not have a CRC check on it, otherwise current firmware modifications would not be usable as be cannot sign anything.
No, data from original disk have crc check and change this becomе impossible if i'm right undеrstand Tiros.
Post by: XBOXIZGOOD on July 12, 2008, 04:04:00 AM
Post by: madmackem on July 12, 2008, 04:08:00 AM
Post by: Bryt on July 12, 2008, 05:32:00 AM
Post by: lovexbox on July 12, 2008, 06:31:00 AM
AU must have the oldest stock in the world because I found some Sep-07 stock at my local supermarket! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
I end up with a LOT 802 Arcade, 175W, Jan-08, they got plenty of them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)
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Post by: mr_spoon on July 12, 2008, 07:19:00 AM
spoon
Post by: legssmit on July 12, 2008, 03:05:00 PM
QUOTE(lovexbox @ Jul 12 2008, 02:31 PM)
well, it is not looking good, M$ may got it right this time.
AU must have the oldest stock in the world because I found some Sep-07 stock at my local supermarket! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
I end up with a LOT 802 Arcade, 175W, Jan-08, they got plenty of them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)
you just have to be lucky...my local gamestore has stock from 2006 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: scuba156 on July 13, 2008, 05:25:00 AM
QUOTE(Alexus I @ Jul 12 2008, 07:38 PM)
No, data from original disk have crc check and change this becomе impossible if i'm right undеrstand Tiros.
yes data on the disk does have crc checks, but the challenge/response not actual data on the disk, otherwise it would be identical on a backup.
AFAIK, the challenge/response is the console doing a timing check on the disc. it checks how long it takes for the disc to respond to its commands. burnt media take longer to respond as they are lower quality than pressed discs and other factors
Post by: dopper on July 13, 2008, 04:26:00 PM
Maybe a stupid idea but just came across my mind sins everybody is saying its the same kind of drive as the BenQ
Post by: BILKO1 on July 13, 2008, 07:53:00 PM
Post by: xboxmoddude on July 14, 2008, 02:23:00 AM
I while ago someone sent me a Xbox360 with a Samsung MS28. What had happened was they tried to install an ALL360 modchip and it all went wrong. When I tried to read the FW is was completely corrupted even tried to Hex edit but got nothing at all there was no drive key to be found and we didn't have a backup of the original FW. All was doomed so I sent the console back to him and told him to toss it.
What he then did was try and solder the chip in again. And surprise it worked. I was a bit shocked as I was under the impression that a drive key was always needed.
After doing some reading about the chip I discovered that it bypasses the key checking procedure or something like that.
Maybe a chip like that will be developed for the Lite-on drive.
Post by: scuba156 on July 14, 2008, 06:11:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxmoddude @ Jul 14 2008, 06:23 PM)
Here is something that is interresting. I have just thought about it.
I while ago someone sent me a Xbox360 with a Samsung MS28. What had happened was they tried to install an ALL360 modchip and it all went wrong. When I tried to read the FW is was completely corrupted even tried to Hex edit but got nothing at all there was no drive key to be found and we didn't have a backup of the original FW. All was doomed so I sent the console back to him and told him to toss it.
What he then did was try and solder the chip in again. And surprise it worked. I was a bit shocked as I was under the impression that a drive key was always needed.
After doing some reading about the chip I discovered that it bypasses the key checking procedure or something like that.
Maybe a chip like that will be developed for the Lite-on drive.
you most likely couldnt dump it correctly cause it wasnt cleaned up after removing the modchip (ie, a short)
no modchip can bypass the key pairing, its not possible. modchips activate after the drive has been paired with the motherboard i believe, or they either just use the key in the firmware
Post by: paulunit on July 14, 2008, 11:26:00 AM
QUOTE(apease11 @ Jul 11 2008, 04:08 AM)
If I read this right, all of the people who sent their xbox's in for repair that had already flashed their firmware, recieved the new drive. The drives wthat wern't flashed before didn't recieve the new one. If I read it correct, I think that Microsoft is switching reflashed ODDs with the new ones so that you can't flash it again. They probably figured that if it wasn't already reflashed when they recieved it then they must not know how, thus not sending the new drive back. Well thats my idea, and has anyone tried to remove the epoxy and the chip on the new drive and have an inside look at it?
They are replaceing all xbox repairs with the new drive i sent one that had not been touched and warrenty stickers were intact, and there was no problem with the drive, and they changed it with a liteon
Post by: dude24 on July 14, 2008, 01:48:00 PM
QUOTE(bodybag @ Jul 1 2008, 11:21 PM)
I do indeed, from the great mouths themselves...trust me!...they cant read the drive!
hackers that say can't be done are not true hackers.... the drive need to read the firmware or else it will not function.. so there must also be a way for us to read and dump the firmware, time is the only issue. there is epoxy on the chip for a reason. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) someone who has this drive can also try a sata to ide converter perhaps then drive will be vissible in windows.... prolly not but worth a try.
Post by: caster420 on July 14, 2008, 01:58:00 PM
QUOTE(dude24 @ Jul 14 2008, 03:48 PM)
hackers that say can't be done are not true hackers.... the drive need to read the firmware or else it will not function.. so there must also be a way for us to read and dump the firmware, time is the only issue. there is epoxy on the chip for a reason.
someone who has this drive can also try a sata to ide converter perhaps then drive will be vissible in windows.... prolly not but worth a try. Perhaps you should do a little reading before you comment. The flash is embedded in the drives controller. It does not and will not return a full dump of the firmware, only a checksum type response to verify that writing of the firmware was correct.
Also, why do you need a sata to ide converter??? Straight sata would tell you this.
Caster.
Post by: Exobex on July 14, 2008, 05:46:00 PM
QUOTE(paulunit @ Jul 14 2008, 06:26 PM)
They are replaceing all xbox repairs with the new drive i sent one that had not been touched and warrenty stickers were intact, and there was no problem with the drive, and they changed it with a liteon
The ones I've seen changed have been the "hit the top" ones. You know, the ones where if there's no disc in the drive you have to hit the top to get it to eject? Presumably if they have to hit the top when it's on the test bench, the drive gets tossed.
Post by: kurrrrt on July 14, 2008, 07:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Exobex @ Jul 15 2008, 12:46 AM)
The ones I've seen changed have been the "hit the top" ones. You know, the ones where if there's no disc in the drive you have to hit the top to get it to eject? Presumably if they have to hit the top when it's on the test bench, the drive gets tossed.
Mostly Sammys then. God I love my sammy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Please hack this drive! what happens if my xbox breaks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Post by: foaley77 on July 14, 2008, 10:45:00 PM
details
MFR 20-5-08
CSON
Lot 0820
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Post by: scuba156 on July 15, 2008, 01:47:00 AM
QUOTE(dude24 @ Jul 15 2008, 05:48 AM)
hackers that say can't be done are not true hackers.... the drive need to read the firmware or else it will not function.. so there must also be a way for us to read and dump the firmware, time is the only issue. there is epoxy on the chip for a reason. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) someone who has this drive can also try a sata to ide converter perhaps then drive will be vissible in windows.... prolly not but worth a try.
hackers that have no idea what there talking about are not true hackers.
like castor said, the firmware is embedded in the drives controller, the firmware only ever needs to communicate with the drives controller. the only thing that leaves the chip is the data coming off the disc going to the console, no part of the firmware ever needs to leave the chip
Post by: dude24 on July 15, 2008, 05:12:00 AM
Post by: caster420 on July 15, 2008, 06:28:00 AM
QUOTE(dude24 @ Jul 15 2008, 07:12 AM)
then why is there epoxy on the chip ? an question where is the drive controller located ? in wich chip?
The 'chip' with the epoxy is the drives controller.
Caster.
Post by: dude24 on July 15, 2008, 08:29:00 AM
I am pissed I was just about to buy one but now I have to wait.
Post by: scuba156 on July 15, 2008, 11:27:00 AM
QUOTE(dude24 @ Jul 16 2008, 12:29 AM)
and why is desoldering and reading it out with an programmer not an option ? srry for n00b questions
I am pissed I was just about to buy one but now I have to wait.
its has all been explained in this thread countless of times. it wont be repeated. look for your answer, its not hard
Post by: paultuk on July 15, 2008, 05:47:00 PM
Has anyone got any ideas where to start?? I have one of these drives to mess around with so if anyone has any ideas drop me a message and i'll post my findings.
Cheers.
Post by: martin.ca on July 15, 2008, 06:05:00 PM
QUOTE(paultuk @ Jul 15 2008, 06:47 PM)
34 Pages of tripe!!!!!!
Has anyone got any ideas where to start?? I have one of these drives to mess around with so if anyone has any ideas drop me a message and i'll post my findings.
Cheers.
Did you read the thread? There is no place to start.
Post by: scuba156 on July 15, 2008, 08:09:00 PM
QUOTE(paultuk @ Jul 16 2008, 09:47 AM)
34 Pages of tripe!!!!!!
Has anyone got any ideas where to start?? I have one of these drives to mess around with so if anyone has any ideas drop me a message and i'll post my findings.
Cheers.
filter through the crap you dont want, the first 25 pages wont be important, or you could work your way backwards untill you find the start of the tech talk. ive aid it at least 5 times so it shouldnt be hard to find
Post by: inam22 on July 16, 2008, 11:08:00 AM
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Post by: Alexxx2 on July 16, 2008, 11:53:00 AM
Microsoft sent this statement to TechRadar:
No. Lite-On is not manufacturing Blu-ray drives for Xbox 360. As we have stated, games are what are driving consumers to purchase game consoles and we remain focused on providing the largest library of blockbuster game available. For our customers who want a premium movie experience we offer the largest library of on-demand HD content available and the ability to play back DVDs in high definition.
Microsoft has denied reports on the Xbox 360 getting a Blu-ray drive several times. But still there are speculations that some time or the other Microsoft will be making an announcement about a Blu-ray drive for their next-gen console. New next-gen game titles will be needing discs that have a huge storage capacity.
is it good ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: Wilhelm_I on July 16, 2008, 04:50:00 PM
QUOTE(inam22 @ Jul 16 2008, 07:08 PM)
Just got mine back from germany with old benq,i think they are using lite-on with their retail stock now and what ever left over stock of old benq they are using to repairing consoles now so in my opinion if anybody got 3 rrod its good time to send to MS repair centre.
If you dont have a fucked up DVD drive they will not replace it...
However if they find a tray problem or that the drive doesnt read their discs they will swap it with a Lite On...
Post by: beatendown666 on July 16, 2008, 05:25:00 PM
Believe it or not, exploits do get completely fixed from time to time and the only other option is to change your method of approach and find new holes.Breaking the xbox 360 security is WAY more important than playing backups.There has to be someone at microsoft who would be willing to talk about the 360s holes and bugs.It's not like there the most liked company in the world! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
So all the little noobies and nooblets out there who think they can't help,you can! Keep telling more and more people, the more people who look at the 360 the more chance it will be broken.adapt or die (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Post by: jimbobjim on July 16, 2008, 05:43:00 PM
QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Jul 16 2008, 11:50 PM)
If you dont have a fucked up DVD drive they will not replace it...
However if they find a tray problem or that the drive doesnt read their discs they will swap it with a Lite On...
Untrue... I've sent in consoles with perfectly working drives that have come back swapped. Microsoft even send back entirely different machines if they feel like it.
When you send in your machine for repair it is total luck-of-the-draw as to what you'll get back.
My last two came back with Lite-on drives (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Post by: Wilhelm_I on July 17, 2008, 03:57:00 AM
The others had like Hitachis and Samsungs and they never swapped drives of these and the mainboards were the same as well, same console id serial number etc...
Post by: matthaus000 on July 18, 2008, 01:59:00 AM
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Post by: monkfish on July 18, 2008, 05:56:00 AM
Post by: OggyUK on July 18, 2008, 09:10:00 AM
Post by: JtR_75 on July 18, 2008, 09:50:00 AM
Edit: i am from Finland
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Post by: witchy2k1 on July 18, 2008, 01:38:00 PM
Post by: mrpowerbook345 on July 18, 2008, 02:51:00 PM
QUOTE(monkfish @ Jul 18 2008, 12:56 PM)
apparently this new drive has been done by means of a chip, more info as i get it
i can confirm this to be true. the firmware has been successfully dumped and someone figured out how to wire a chip to the drive.
just joking. of course monkfish is talking out of his ass just to stir shit up and laugh at the gullable and hopeful people on this thread. people, quit posting this garbage misinformation just to get people's hopes up. its not helpful and if u were truly a fan of the xbox scene, you wouldn't be doing this shit. jeez...
Post by: matthaus000 on July 18, 2008, 08:05:00 PM
Post by: Teddyslayer on July 19, 2008, 02:54:00 AM
The lot i got was 810, and was a benq, so I think it's a pretty good time to buy your modifiable 360s b4 they sell out. the newest lot i could find was 814 which i dont think has the new liteons either.
Post by: matthaus000 on July 19, 2008, 03:32:00 AM
I am uncertain if it will ever be possible to do but whoever manages to find a way or exploit or whatever is a true legend. I guess it took them 6 mths with the other drive too and I read some methods that seem realistic on other forums on how it may be achieved. I know it is not easy but I do believe from what I have been reading amongst the expert crowd that this is still possible. I certainly hope so although I can see that MS have certainly made it much more difficult this time. I understand that it is impossible to get the key out but who knows what can be achieved with time and lot of brainpower from many many people. Lets hope that some clever person can figure this one out. It would be unbelievably awesome and I would jump in joy to say the very least. I think if someone does manage to come up with a method that it wont be for a little while however. And by the time it has been worked out, the new gen consoles could be just about released again lol. I always have bad luck like this. Life isnt fair poor me lol. I have got used to it with the amount of bad luck I have (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif). We will see I guess how it all pans out over time..... Guess I have to accept my fate and be patient and very hopeful....
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Post by: JoshML101 on July 19, 2008, 03:56:00 AM
Post by: lovexbox on July 19, 2008, 04:27:00 AM
QUOTE(matthaus000 @ Jul 18 2008, 08:59 AM)
well guys sounds like people with this particular drive (including me) are stuffed then. My manuf date is 26 May 2008 and was bought at BIGW in Australia. Of course I am still somewhat hopeful that something can be done in the long term but from the sounds it is not looking good at all and in the back of my mind I am thinking that those with these new drives will have to stick to originals only maybe forever. Thread was an interesting read to say the least and I learned a lot from it. Thanks again and good luck to the people who are wiling to research further and try and come up with some miracle.
I got mine form local EB because they have some Jan-08 stock, get them do the price match with Kmart for $299 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)
Don't worry these're still lot of Benq around, BigW had been selling heaps of 360 Arcade console lately because of their price, many store sold out and once they have their stock, they are flash stock (Lite-ON).
QUOTE(monkfish @ Jul 18 2008, 12:56 PM)
apparently this new drive has been done by means of a chip, more info as i get it
You got my eyes pop out for a second (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Post by: matthaus000 on July 19, 2008, 04:40:00 AM
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Post by: BaDDaSS on July 19, 2008, 10:57:00 AM
Just tried hacking it the old BenQ way with no luck. Hopefully someone will solve this soon.
Post by: fubar925 on July 19, 2008, 12:16:00 PM
Post by: L-Burna on July 19, 2008, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: JoshML101 on July 19, 2008, 03:57:00 PM
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 19, 2008, 03:34:00 PM
QUOTE(L-Burna @ Jul 19 2008, 05:54 PM)
I thought about this for awhile now,and if a modchip such as Infectus2 or something similar is soldered directly to the nand on the main mobo of the system is it possible to extract the key.I know that a hacked kernel has to be used in order to even get anywhere,but just wondering is it possible.To my understanding dealing with this drives mobo is going to create just as much time as looking into a method to extract the key from the main mobo.I know its more complicated than it sounds and will take some time to figure out,but I think it would be a better idea to figure out this method instead of a chip or something dealing with the actual drive itself.For instance if the drive dies and you don't have the drive key then the main motherboard and a matching dvd drive have to be replaced.
It is possible to extract the DVD key, but you need to run Linux on the system to dump the CPU key. If you just dump the NAND of a 360, it won't do you jack shit. You need the CPU key to decrypt it. You need a vulnerable CB system to downgrade. The CB, I don't really know what it is, I know 1888 and 1920 can be downgraded, but not 1921 which is what all returned from repairs or new Xbox 360s will have.
If you have an exploitable one, you can use the timing attack to flash the NAND with a 1888 kernel and using the Timing Attack you can "brute force" the authentication so it will run on the system. The CB takes care of this authentication, so if you have a newer CB, you are screwed. Unless you have the Xbox and it has a lower kernel then 4558. It doesn't matter what CB you have as long as you have a lower kernel than 4558. But all new Xbox's/repaired ones, will be updated by Microsoft to a kernel 4558 or higher, and a 1921 CB.
Post by: ssj4android on July 19, 2008, 11:50:00 PM
I know it's almost certainly the later. I need some sleep.
Post by: bidomo on July 20, 2008, 04:11:00 AM
The new drives appears to be introduced at first to the Regions/Countries where piracy is stronger than rest of the world (I'm not telling people who back up titles to save originals but people who doesn't even own Perfect dark Zero or Kingdom under fire and other games, not even the disk with arcade games).
I've sent my unit for repair (not modded) but as it was replaced I've got back a Liteon, anoter guy who sent his unit, got back the same machine with a drive swap, and then other swap, another, another, not a single friend who asked me for a firmware hack got any luck.
I'm living in Mexico, where piracy is like a must be, almost all of my friends doesn't know nor want to know how to backup a game, they instead buy low quality pirates.
Well, that's the same scene I'm watching here, some guys doesn't want to spend some money in originals, but if you can't do that, how are you going to help developers to still making games?? playing their games in a generic media?? Wishing a firmware hack that badly makes me think that way.
It's real that 360 was so widely accepted because of this hacks, not a single guy who falls in this category ever had a Ps3 and didn't want to buy one.
360 is not gonna die for this, but some people will get out of the picture, specially those who doesn't have to pay for a original (but in the 1st place how did they buyed the console???).
Hell, I'm drunk..........
Buy some originals and have some quality time with your New/replaced console.
I had to do this, sorry, not a single copy since I was banned for leaving a backup in the box and some friend wanted to go live and play
PD. I'm not fag, I'm not nerd, I'm very social, I have a nice Job and I'm prepared for when my contract finishes, no worries about getting bored till I get a new Job...
Even Mexicans can buy originals, but is not like I'm not gonna miss the BACKUP scene, SAY NO TO TOTAL PIRACY.
This post has been edited by scuba156: Jul 20 2008, 03:48 PM
Post by: scuba156 on July 20, 2008, 08:46:00 AM
also, that image is huge so im going to have to remove it
Post by: Ranger72 on July 20, 2008, 08:51:00 AM
QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jul 19 2008, 11:10 PM)
It is possible to extract the DVD key, but you need to run Linux on the system to dump the CPU key. If you just dump the NAND of a 360, it won't do you jack shit. You need the CPU key to decrypt it. You need a vulnerable CB system to downgrade. The CB, I don't really know what it is, I know 1888 and 1920 can be downgraded, but not 1921 which is what all returned from repairs or new Xbox 360s will have.
If you have an exploitable one, you can use the timing attack to flash the NAND with a 1888 kernel and using the Timing Attack you can "brute force" the authentication so it will run on the system. The CB takes care of this authentication, so if you have a newer CB, you are screwed. Unless you have the Xbox and it has a lower kernel then 4558. It doesn't matter what CB you have as long as you have a lower kernel than 4558. But all new Xbox's/repaired ones, will be updated by Microsoft to a kernel 4558 or higher, and a 1921 CB.
Dont you have to have a flashed DVD drive to be able to run Linux? And if you have a flashed DVD drive then you already know they drive key so whats the point?
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 20, 2008, 12:06:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Jul 20 2008, 11:27 AM)
Dont you have to have a flashed DVD drive to be able to run Linux? And if you have a flashed DVD drive then you already know they drive key so whats the point?
Yes, to run linux you need to run a modified copy of the King Kong game. So you need to flash the drive with hacked firmware, therefore knowing the key. I think the correct phrase for the whole situation is Catch 22.
Post by: bidomo on July 20, 2008, 04:28:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Jul 20 2008, 05:27 PM)
Dont you have to have a flashed DVD drive to be able to run Linux? And if you have a flashed DVD drive then you already know they drive key so whats the point?
Yeah, I know what you're talking about, I used to backup my own games, but at some point I forgot to remove a backup, plugged the cable to the network, and surprise! banned...
Is not incorrect to protect the hard earned originals, but is not Ok for those who don't really have backups, i Know you'll understand what I mean, I'm not talking about the scene at all, we're always at the espectation from what's next, we still have some hope we'll see some nice apps in the box, but is not sane to yell at the ones who did some nice work in the past and now are facing a true difficult obstacle...
And I'm sorry about that picture...
Long live the scene!
Post by: bidomo on July 20, 2008, 05:28:00 PM
QUOTE(bidomo @ Jul 21 2008, 12:28 AM)
And I'm sorry about that picture...
Long live the scene!
Wrong quote...
Post by: matthaus000 on July 21, 2008, 10:37:00 AM
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Post by: HackerSupreme on July 21, 2008, 12:08:00 PM
Post by: tezza192 on July 21, 2008, 12:23:00 PM
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 21, 2008, 01:13:00 PM
Post by: martin.ca on July 21, 2008, 12:47:00 PM
Doesn't this mean that the firmware is exactly the same as Benq's?
Can't we just flash the LiteOn drive with iXtreme for Benq, excluding spaces where the drive key are stored?
Post by: HotKnife420 on July 21, 2008, 02:24:00 PM
QUOTE(martin.ca @ Jul 21 2008, 08:23 PM)
Wasn't there someone who flashed a LiteOn with Benq firmware, and the drive still read DVDs (not games obviously)?
Doesn't this mean that the firmware is exactly the same as Benq's?
Can't we just flash the LiteOn drive with iXtreme for Benq, excluding spaces where the drive key are stored?
There's at least 3 variations of BenQ's out there, each just slightly different. I believe that even Hitachi drives have something in place that essentially moves the key around (in 78 drives, iirc), or something to that nature.
Basically what I'm getting at is that we'd have no way of knowing where the key is in a firmware we can't see.
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 21, 2008, 01:58:00 PM
QUOTE(martin.ca @ Jul 21 2008, 03:23 PM)
Wasn't there someone who flashed a LiteOn with Benq firmware, and the drive still read DVDs (not games obviously)?
Doesn't this mean that the firmware is exactly the same as Benq's?
Can't we just flash the LiteOn drive with iXtreme for Benq, excluding spaces where the drive key are stored?
When you flash the firmware, you flash the WHOLE chip. You can't flash parts of it, besides, we don't know where the key is.
QUOTE(HotKnife420 @ Jul 21 2008, 04:24 PM)
There's at least 3 variations of BenQ's out there, each just slightly different. I believe that even Hitachi drives have something in place that essentially moves the key around (in 78 drives, iirc), or something to that nature.
Basically what I'm getting at is that we'd have no way of knowing where the key is in a firmware we can't see.
There are 2 BenQs. 2 slight differences in the firmware I think. like the 6490 and the 6420 or something, they are in the firmware toolbox spoof part you can check em out.
Post by: Martinchris23 on July 21, 2008, 02:13:00 PM
Basically, using another 360 with a modded drive, you install the version of King Kong which has the shader exploit added to it onto your HDD.
From what MS are saying, the disc is only going to be used for checking availability therefore even with the original disc in the drive, it'll still run the data you've installed to the HDD.
Take this to an unmoddable lite-on 360 and surely, with the use of Infectus etc, it *may* be possible to downgrade the console and ultimately read the DVD key.
True, you won't be able to hack the firmware still but armed with the DVD key, you're surely part the way there to being able to swap it with a drive which can be.
As I said, I'm probably not the first person to think of this so
a- don't shoot me down in flames!
b- apologies if it's already been mentioned!
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 21, 2008, 02:20:00 PM
QUOTE(Martinchris23 @ Jul 21 2008, 04:49 PM)
IDK if this has already been mentioned (and it's a little Schrodinger's cat), but what if you could use the new up and coming fall update of loading games onto the HDD to change the drive?
Basically, using another 360 with a modded drive, you install the version of King Kong which has the shader exploit added to it onto your HDD.
From what MS are saying, the disc is only going to be used for checking availability therefore even with the original disc in the drive, it'll still run the data you've installed to the HDD.
Take this to an unmoddable lite-on 360 and surely, with the use of Infectus etc, it *may* be possible to downgrade the console and ultimately read the DVD key.
True, you won't be able to hack the firmware still but armed with the DVD key, you're surely part the way there to being able to swap it with a drive which can be.
As I said, I'm probably not the first person to think of this so
a- don't shoot me down in flames!
b- apologies if it's already been mentioned!
No not possible. All of these new consoles with the LiteOn drives 95% chances are, they are shipped with a kernel of 4558 or above, and have a CB of 1921.
Short story-Not downgradeable.
But it is possible, on older consoles, to install KK into the hard drive, take the hard drive to a machine that is on an exploitable kernel and has no DVD key, and run it from the hard drive. You might not need a DVD key to launch the game...we won't know till this comes out.
I am sure Microsoft has taken this all into consideration though.
Post by: Martinchris23 on July 21, 2008, 03:09:00 PM
QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jul 21 2008, 09:56 PM)
But it is possible, on older consoles, to install KK into the hard drive, take the hard drive to a machine that is on an exploitable kernel and has no DVD key, and run it from the hard drive. You might not need a DVD key to launch the game...we won't know till this comes out.
I am sure Microsoft has taken this all into consideration though.
This was my other thought - as you rightly point out, there's not a lot of chance in running the game without the disc in place.
Post by: dude24 on July 21, 2008, 03:09:00 PM
QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jul 21 2008, 09:56 PM)
No not possible. All of these new consoles with the LiteOn drives 95% chances are, they are shipped with a kernel of 4558 or above, and have a CB of 1921.
Short story-Not downgradeable.
But it is possible, on older consoles, to install KK into the hard drive, take the hard drive to a machine that is on an exploitable kernel and has no DVD key, and run it from the hard drive. You might not need a DVD key to launch the game...we won't know till this comes out.
I am sure Microsoft has taken this all into consideration though.
game will do the disc check and it would be pretty stupid to do disc check without checking key... I don't think it will work but you never know.
Post by: caster420 on July 21, 2008, 05:02:00 PM
QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jul 21 2008, 04:34 PM)
There are 2 BenQs. 2 slight differences in the firmware I think. like the 6490 and the 6420 or something, they are in the firmware toolbox spoof part you can check em out.
There are two retail benq revisions: 62430 and 64930. Each one of those drives revisions have 5 different firmware revisions with key range varying (0xA000-0xE000). The the key range for each firmware is 0xFFF bytes long, so there are plenty of key locations. Not as simple as you would think.
Caster.
Post by: yazyazoo on July 22, 2008, 12:58:00 AM
Thanks!
Post by: kingroach on July 22, 2008, 01:02:00 AM
Post by: BigSteel on July 22, 2008, 08:42:00 AM
QUOTE(yazyazoo @ Jul 22 2008, 12:58 AM)
I want to buy a 360 off of Ebay. I am looking at a Premium Go Pro or an Elite. What months should I look for or what builds. I notice some are charging more for a BenQ drive. If I know the FDOU and number like 810 or 818, etc, How do I know what drive is in the box? Please give me suggestions because there is a sale on ebay and I would like to get in before it ends!
Thanks!
Thanks!
check www.360drives.com
Post by: thaiboxer on July 22, 2008, 10:02:00 AM
Post by: flash360 on July 22, 2008, 04:45:00 PM
Post by: here2rock on July 23, 2008, 03:44:00 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on July 23, 2008, 03:12:00 PM
QUOTE(here2rock @ Jul 23 2008, 10:44 PM)
What batch numbers should I avoid for the new unflashable Philips Liteon drive DVD-ROM. I am in Australia as I understand the new systems are being shipped with this new drive. Can you tell it from the Box?
http://360drives.com/
Post by: mlfdco4 on July 23, 2008, 04:42:00 PM
Post by: okaket on July 23, 2008, 05:44:00 PM
943? I have one of them lying around.
Post by: dude24 on July 24, 2008, 03:06:00 PM
sorry for offtopic.
I can get one for free so. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Post by: scuba156 on July 24, 2008, 03:24:00 PM
QUOTE(dude24 @ Jul 25 2008, 07:06 AM)
will a demo burned on dvd still work on a console with no proper key ? (no proper key in dvd drive)
sorry for offtopic.
I can get one for free so.
you cant burn demos onto disc, unless its the arcade pack which is essentially a game so no. you can however, connect to xbox live and download xbox 360/arcade demos from there (or full arcade games, or even full original xbox games)
Post by: Haygar on July 25, 2008, 06:32:00 AM
QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Jul 25 2008, 07:11 PM)
I smell a lie (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
If you read through everything you would know the answer already, the question has been answered at least 3 times.
Looks like you really have to read through it now because I am not telling you...
OK, I may have skipped a few pages but I was looking for an answer before asking the "obvious to some".
Anyway, the reason I ask is because 'ol mate at this site reckons he knows a bit more than I can gather.
http://www.modchips-brisbane-mod-brisbane-australia.com
This post has been edited by Haygar: Jul 25 2008, 01:37 PM
Post by: caster420 on July 25, 2008, 08:49:00 AM
QUOTE(Haygar @ Jul 25 2008, 08:32 AM)
Anyway, the reason I ask is because 'ol mate at this site reckons he knows a bit more than I can gather.
http://www.modchips-brisbane-mod-brisbane-australia.com
http://www.modchips-brisbane-mod-brisbane-australia.com
Why bring this bullshit website up again? You already posted in a thread that was closed which contained my response linked below. Are you that thick?
Read my comments in this thread. I also emailed the dude and he doesn't respond with anything of any use, basically 'what would you suggest, the world is flat?'. WTF is that?
He knows nothing. He can solder and nothing more.
Caster.
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Post by: jeppe777 on July 25, 2008, 09:08:00 AM
Post by: caster420 on July 25, 2008, 09:21:00 AM
QUOTE(jeppe777 @ Jul 25 2008, 11:08 AM)
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif) Not sure if this is possible, can i remove my lite on drive and put a replacement benq or Samsung / Toshiba drive, Would it Work?
NO!!!!!!!
Post by: jeppe777 on July 25, 2008, 09:46:00 AM
Post by: caster420 on July 25, 2008, 09:54:00 AM
QUOTE(jeppe777 @ Jul 25 2008, 11:46 AM)
Why?
READ THE POSTS IN THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Ranger72 on July 25, 2008, 10:03:00 AM
QUOTE(jeppe777 @ Jul 25 2008, 04:46 PM)
Why?
That same question has been asked and answered in just about every page of this thread. It has also been asked and answered about 3 times a day in other threads.
Take a second out of your life and read why this cant be done and you will feel better about yourself.
Post by: X-hacker on July 25, 2008, 10:10:00 AM
QUOTE(caster420 @ Jul 25 2008, 04:54 PM)
READ THE POSTS IN THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHA!!! Jesus Christ...
"There are no stupid questions... just STUPID people"
Post by: xeroer on July 25, 2008, 11:26:00 AM
This post has been edited by xeroer: Jul 25 2008, 06:28 PM
Post by: thestanleycup on July 25, 2008, 11:39:00 AM
Post by: Morphios on July 25, 2008, 12:03:00 PM
QUOTE(thestanleycup @ Jul 25 2008, 07:39 PM)
ok just received a Lite-On drive here in Montreal Canada , 1st one that i got.
I hope for u that there will be soon a solution.
Post by: scuba156 on July 25, 2008, 12:43:00 PM
QUOTE(xeroer @ Jul 26 2008, 03:26 AM)
[Thought my post didn't go through - so posted again - just realised my post count was now two - this post was deleted for a reason obviously - not sure how to delete it myself, so disregard this post]
it was removed for refering to warranty fraud. i suggest you read the rules so this mistake doesnt happen again
Post by: XEQT on July 25, 2008, 01:20:00 PM
I'm new to this thread and i have read threw it and i have a question.
How high priority is it on finding out a fix for Lie-on ?
Why i am asking is that i maby have one coming to me soon.
So i'm not one of the luck one. But have there been some progress on this ?
// XEQT
Post by: Ranger72 on July 25, 2008, 01:46:00 PM
QUOTE(XEQT @ Jul 25 2008, 08:20 PM)
Hi all !
I'm new to this thread and i have read threw it and i have a question.
How high priority is it on finding out a fix for Lie-on ?
Why i am asking is that i maby have one coming to me soon.
So i'm not one of the luck one. But have there been some progress on this ?
// XEQT
Priority has nothing to do with it. If you read through these pages you will know why this drive will likely never be modded.
Post by: xlinkx on July 25, 2008, 02:07:00 PM
Post by: scuba156 on July 25, 2008, 02:15:00 PM
QUOTE(xlinkx @ Jul 26 2008, 06:07 AM)
are there any fw mods for this drive?
have you actually read any of this thread at all? it has all the answers already in it
Post by: XEQT on July 25, 2008, 02:27:00 PM
Well .. that might bee a better solution all together.
I hade a xbox 1 before and used a chip there to so that might bee the thing to go for.
// XEQT
Post by: caster420 on July 25, 2008, 02:36:00 PM
QUOTE(XEQT @ Jul 25 2008, 04:27 PM)
So they are getting a chip instead as a solution ?
Well .. that might bee a better solution all together.
I hade a xbox 1 before and used a chip there to so that might bee the thing to go for.
// XEQT
Well .. that might bee a better solution all together.
I hade a xbox 1 before and used a chip there to so that might bee the thing to go for.
// XEQT
Read this entire thread before asking anymore questions.
Post by: lorcace on July 25, 2008, 04:46:00 PM
I got myself a new sig! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
Post by: Ranger72 on July 25, 2008, 05:47:00 PM
QUOTE(lorcace @ Jul 25 2008, 11:46 PM)
LOL nice
Post by: paultuk on July 25, 2008, 06:08:00 PM
PLEASE MODERATORS!!!!
Post by: Haygar on July 26, 2008, 05:23:00 AM
QUOTE(caster420 @ Jul 26 2008, 12:49 AM)
Why bring this bullshit website up again? You already posted in a thread that was closed which contained my response linked below. Are you that thick?
Read my comments in this thread. I also emailed the dude and he doesn't respond with anything of any use, basically 'what would you suggest, the world is flat?'. WTF is that?
He knows nothing. He can solder and nothing more.
Caster.
You are an arrogant arsehole!!!
I was just asking a straight forward question as nice as I could, I guess I shouldn't be so gullible.
So few people are genuinely friendly in these times.
Post by: as905 on July 26, 2008, 05:54:00 AM
QUOTE(Haygar @ Jul 26 2008, 12:23 PM)
So few people are genuinely friendly in these times.
you know why becuase most have rrod. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: Wotanx on July 26, 2008, 06:55:00 AM
i have a lot number of 0751
am i safe ?
or do i need to do further checking ?
i can take the machine back as long as its in its orginal packaging etc
Post by: xeroer on July 26, 2008, 07:35:00 AM
QUOTE(Wotanx @ Jul 26 2008, 10:55 PM)
Ive just bought an Elite in the UK after reading here about LOT numbers etc
i have a lot number of 0751
am i safe ?
or do i need to do further checking ?
i can take the machine back as long as its in its orginal packaging etc
http://www.360drives.com/list?v_pack=&...mp;v_perpage=50
Most defintally a BenQ - manufactured in Dec '07, LiteOn drives weren't being used in 360s that long ago.
Luckier than me. >.>
Also, to distinguish between the two, take off the faceplate and shine a light into the hole there - you will see a wire or two. Yellow = LiteOn, Grey/Black = BenQ.
This post has been edited by xeroer: Jul 26 2008, 02:38 PM
Post by: caster420 on July 26, 2008, 09:10:00 AM
QUOTE(Haygar @ Jul 26 2008, 07:23 AM)
You are an arrogant arsehole!!!
I was just asking a straight forward question as nice as I could, I guess I shouldn't be so gullible.
So few people are genuinely friendly in these times.
And i answered all of them. Its not my issue that you either can't read the response in the original thread you posted in or that you didnt like the response. If you want to meet a true arrogant areshole, contact the owner of that site.
Caster.
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Post by: Wotanx on July 26, 2008, 09:44:00 AM
QUOTE(xeroer @ Jul 26 2008, 01:35 PM)
Also, to distinguish between the two, take off the faceplate and shine a light into the hole there - you will see a wire or two. Yellow = LiteOn, Grey/Black = BenQ.
Thanks for the info
i paid a lot for it but looks like i got lucky
next stupid question - how do i get the faceplate off ? i build computers for a living but have never touched a console before
Post by: Ranger72 on July 26, 2008, 10:06:00 AM
QUOTE(Wotanx @ Jul 26 2008, 04:44 PM)
Thanks for the info
i paid a lot for it but looks like i got lucky
next stupid question - how do i get the faceplate off ? i build computers for a living but have never touched a console before
Just grab the bottom of the faceplate where the USB ports are and pull it off.
Post by: xeroer on July 26, 2008, 10:45:00 AM
It should pop off with a bit of force. The rest should just pull directly off, I'm sure you will know where to take things after you get the first part out.
Everyone has their own way of pulling it off, I'm sure - because some ways work for me, some don't.. Either that, or the faceplates just don't agree with me. Anything else with the console I can get apart in seconds, though.
Edit: You're going to want to know this aswell then - the hole that you are lighting up is the one directly under where it says XBOX360 on your disc tray cover.
This post has been edited by xeroer: Jul 26 2008, 05:55 PM
Post by: Wilhelm_I on July 26, 2008, 02:11:00 PM
QUOTE(Haygar @ Jul 25 2008, 02:32 PM)
Damn this is probably the most recognizable domain name I have ever seen lol(also one of the longest (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) )
I still dont get why you posted this website anyway, it is mainly about the wii and all he does is modding 360 drives with modchips...
It would be a lot smarter just to flash them...
QUOTE(X-hacker @ Jul 25 2008, 06:10 PM)
HAHAHAHA!!! Jesus Christ...
"There are no stupid questions... just STUPID people"
LOL at this statement
This post has been edited by Wilhelm_I: Jul 26 2008, 09:10 PM
Post by: Wotanx on July 26, 2008, 07:14:00 PM
i checked and it is a BenQ
Post by: Haygar on July 26, 2008, 10:12:00 PM
QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Jul 27 2008, 06:11 AM)
Damn this is probably the most recognizable domain name I have ever seen lol(also one of the longest (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) )
I still dont get why you posted this website anyway, it is mainly about the wii and all he does is modding 360 drives with modchips...
It would be a lot smarter just to flash them...
LOL at this statement
I posted this, regardless of what anyone thinks of it's domain name because I hoped it might help in some way.
And I have spoke with the guy there he didn't seem like a complete liar.
Whatsmore, who cares if it is a modchip? Leaving the original firmware intact makes sense when it comes to risk of being banned and I'll bet diehard firmware flashers will jump on a new modchip, if thats the only way for these Lite-on drives, if/when they find a hack.
Why jump on someone tring to add something positive? It's not like I asked "Hey, can I flash the firmware or swap it with my old drive", which WOULD be stating the bloody obvious.
Post by: Ranger72 on July 26, 2008, 11:07:00 PM
QUOTE(Haygar @ Jul 27 2008, 05:12 AM)
I posted this, regardless of what anyone thinks of it's domain name because I hoped it might help in some way.
And I have spoke with the guy there he didn't seem like a complete liar.
Whatsmore, who cares if it is a modchip? Leaving the original firmware intact makes sense when it comes to risk of being banned and I'll bet diehard firmware flashers will jump on a new modchip, if thats the only way for these Lite-on drives, if/when they find a hack.
Why jump on someone tring to add something positive? It's not like I asked "Hey, can I flash the firmware or swap it with my old drive", which WOULD be stating the bloody obvious.
I don't think anybody would complain if this drive ends up being a chip type of mod. However the likelihood that this drive will even be able to be modded using a chip is slim to none anyway.
Post by: xeroer on July 26, 2008, 11:39:00 PM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Jul 26 2008, 04:43 AM)
it was removed for refering to warranty fraud. i suggest you read the rules so this mistake doesnt happen again
I've since read the rules and understand now.. Thanks for not deleting me! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 27, 2008, 10:21:00 AM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Jul 27 2008, 01:07 AM)
I don't think anybody would complain if this drive ends up being a chip type of mod. However the likelihood that this drive will even be able to be modded using a chip is slim to none anyway.
The only way I think a mod chip will be worked out, will not be interfacing with the controller chip or the firmware. It will interface with the laser directly. Think about it, the laser data is unencrypted binary, seems quite simple. Find out when it is transmitting the 0s and 1s that say DVD+R DL and change it on the fly to XBOXDVD disc so the disc will boot. But you won't get firmware flashing with all of the cool features of it (slower speeds and 0800 firmware) but it would be better than nothing.
And this modchip would be a very easy install, plug the laser ribbon cable into it, and plug a short ribbon cable from it into the PCB.
It would have to be quite fast to decipher and convert the signals fast enough, but you only need it once at game bootup and it would work for like a second and then could power itself off....
Seems to ME, (who is not a master hacker) like it is the best option as of right now.
Post by: shadowth on July 27, 2008, 11:13:00 AM
This whole "it's impossible please for god's sake give up" thing caught up my eyes since I'm graduating in computer science (altough I never messed that much with microcontrollers, just the essential) and I need a good subject to write an essay. I didn't feel it was right opening a new topic so I'll just stick with this one.
I've read this topic throughly (I still have to do it again a few more times), so I could collect some technical information regarding this whole deal and make something useful out of it.
http://personal.inet...ents/index.html
This is the best I could find over here, but still, information regarding how the key is stored in the drive, if it is possible to write something on it (there's someone over here who said that broke a lite-on drive doing that, but that was never confirmed) and several other things are just vague and guesses, the only solid thing is that we will never ever be able to read that key.
I wanted to know if anyone who really knows exactly what is going on with this drive (HackerSupreme?) to spare 15 minutes on chat or reply an email to me with some questions that I have and share some thoughts that I have. I don't think that it would nice to discuss all of it in this topic. I needed some more information so I can discuss this with some of my professors and discuss some other practical uses of this method that was used. I've seen lots of things in my life, but I've never, ever seen something like this.
Thank you very much.
Post by: calloused labia on July 27, 2008, 12:21:00 PM
QUOTE(shadowth @ Jul 27 2008, 12:49 PM)
Okay, here I got...
This whole "it's impossible please for god's sake give up" thing caught up my eyes since I'm graduating in computer science (altough I never messed that much with microcontrollers, just the essential) and I need a good subject to write an essay. I didn't feel it was right opening a new topic so I'll just stick with this one.
I've read this topic throughly (I still have to do it again a few more times), so I could collect some technical information regarding this whole deal and make something useful out of it.
http://personal.inet.fi/cool/mediatek/documents/index.html
This is the best I could find over here, but still, information regarding how the key is stored in the drive, if it is possible to write something on it (there's someone over here who said that broke a lite-on drive doing that, but that was never confirmed) and several other things are just vague and guesses, the only solid thing is that we will never ever be able to read that key.
I wanted to know if anyone who really knows exactly what is going on with this drive (HackerSupreme?) to spare 15 minutes on chat or reply an email to me with some questions that I have and share some thoughts that I have. I don't think that it would nice to discuss all of it in this topic. I needed some more information so I can discuss this with some of my professors and discuss some other practical uses of this method that was used. I've seen lots of things in my life, but I've never, ever seen something like this.
Thank you very much.
This place is kind of homogenized.
You may want to try xboxhacker.net.
Post by: Toddler on July 27, 2008, 02:49:00 PM
QUOTE(shadowth @ Jul 27 2008, 12:49 PM)
I wanted to know if anyone who really knows exactly what is going on with this drive (HackerSupreme?) to spare 15 minutes on chat or reply an email to me with some questions that I have and share some thoughts that I have.
I don't think you'll find anyone who really knows exactly what is going on with this drive, unless they work for Lite-On. That is essentially the crux of the problem. There's no apparent physical means of reading out the firmware. It's not a matter of figuring out how to make the chip respond. The chip appears to be write-only, and there doesn't even seem to be a physical I/O for reading the firmware. It may be writable, but without (1) a valid firmware and (2) the correct key, writing is useless.
I'm not trying to kill your hope, just summarizing the facts. If you drop in #fw on EFnet, you might catch M0MDad or C4Eva himself if you're patient.
This post has been edited by Toddler: Jul 27 2008, 09:50 PM
Post by: shadowth on July 27, 2008, 03:04:00 PM
@Toddle: But I guess that writing something on the drive it's the last step, and let's say, at the situation we're in (with absolutely no clue of nothing), finding out how to read the key (by any means) would be the first, and most important step. Writing it back is a completely different issue, and I'm not interested in that part.
Actually, I don't have much hope of having a way to extract it, and that is exactly what interests me. I want to know what was made to prevent that.
When you say that the chip is write only, okay, perfectly plausible and acceptable, no objections regarding that. But, not having a physical I/O to read (or talk with the controller) it's just kinda intriguing. Because, since at some point in the time the key (or the whole FW) is written there, it needs to reply with a checksum, an ok signal or w/e, and for that, there was a procedure or routine in the drive which checked what was written and replied with the checksum or the ok. After that, w/e was used was deleted or I don't know what exactly happened, but it made impossible to ever read that part again. Is that the case?
And what about all those people who said that reading it is possible, but just via the 360 and none other device? How was that conclusion reached? If there's no I/O, or there's no reading or other routines which messes with that, why would the 360 be able to do that? AFAIK the key is used for the 360 authenticate the drive, and not the other way around...
I hope what I said made some sense... Thank you!
Post by: Ranger72 on July 27, 2008, 04:20:00 PM
QUOTE(shadowth @ Jul 27 2008, 10:40 PM)
AFAIK the key is used for the 360 authenticate the drive, and not the other way around...
I hope what I said made some sense... Thank you!
The key is not used to authenticate the drive.
The key is used to encrypted the data coming from the disk. The encrypted data is sent to the console where it is decrypted using the matching key in the key vault of the 360.
This is why a drive with the wrong drive key will still load the 360 to the dashboard. The key is only needed to load a game.
Post by: shadowth on July 28, 2008, 08:46:00 AM
The key stored on the DVD drive is used solely to encrypt data (from a game disc, only) and send it to the 360. It does not encrypt anything else... Or does it? I actually never thought about this... Is the key used also for Xbox 1 games? Anyway, one way or another, the key is used to encrypt data from the games, and that's it.
The key stored on the 360 is used solely to decrypt the game data from the DVD drive. If the data he gets back is unencrypted or is garbage (encrypted with a different key from the one it has) it will not load whatever the drive has loaded.
Which means that the DVD drive does not care if the 360 has the same key or not. It will never load a game since the 360 will never ask it to.
What I still don't know is if the encryted data sent from the DVD is just from the xex or a header in the disc, so the 360 can authenticate and accept data from the drive, or if every single bit read from the drive is encrypted on the fly while the game is loaded.
This post has been edited by shadowth: Jul 28 2008, 03:47 PM
Post by: matthaus000 on July 28, 2008, 08:52:00 AM
Post by: caster420 on July 28, 2008, 08:52:00 AM
QUOTE
On the subject of dvd emu:
The drive doesn't encrypt ALL the data that the drive sends back, nor is it recvd ALL encrypted from host.
But the critical challenge and response, the actual authentification of the media, is.
Thats why the drive may play a dvd, but not a game, without a key.
Simplified view:
Theres more to booting a game than just reading filesystem data. The media needs to be authenticated too.
Several challenges are sent encrypted to the drive. (mode selects)
The FW hack knows what challenge is being issued, cause it can decode the challenge with the drives key.
It looks up the challenge in a table for the correct response to that challenge.
It knows how to encrypt its response using the same key, and sends result.
The number of challenges is a fixed qty, but they may be sent in any order. The challenge may not be "guessed" or anticiapted.
Any "man in the middle" emu would not be able to participate in this "conversation" since it would not know the key the host used to encode the challenge. IE the emu would not knowl what response to provide, since it cant decode the challenge. In fact it could not even spoof the reply, since it can not encrypt a response either.
This is the primary reason for the whole encrypted CR scheme.
The drive doesn't encrypt ALL the data that the drive sends back, nor is it recvd ALL encrypted from host.
But the critical challenge and response, the actual authentification of the media, is.
Thats why the drive may play a dvd, but not a game, without a key.
Simplified view:
Theres more to booting a game than just reading filesystem data. The media needs to be authenticated too.
Several challenges are sent encrypted to the drive. (mode selects)
The FW hack knows what challenge is being issued, cause it can decode the challenge with the drives key.
It looks up the challenge in a table for the correct response to that challenge.
It knows how to encrypt its response using the same key, and sends result.
The number of challenges is a fixed qty, but they may be sent in any order. The challenge may not be "guessed" or anticiapted.
Any "man in the middle" emu would not be able to participate in this "conversation" since it would not know the key the host used to encode the challenge. IE the emu would not knowl what response to provide, since it cant decode the challenge. In fact it could not even spoof the reply, since it can not encrypt a response either.
This is the primary reason for the whole encrypted CR scheme.
Caster.
This post has been edited by caster420: Jul 28 2008, 03:54 PM
Post by: shadowth on July 28, 2008, 09:47:00 AM
So the 360 also sends encrypted data and the key inside the DVD drive is used also for decoding the challenges. Interesting. Thank you, Caster.
Since the challenge/response part is used to authenticate the media, and then the rest is unencrypted, if you hot-swap the disc, will the 360 notice that? What I mean is, does it perform challenges during gameplay, or is it just before the game is loaded? And, is it possible to hot-swap the drive, or does the system crash/asks again for media authentication? I know this does not have any practical use.
This post has been edited by shadowth: Jul 28 2008, 04:48 PM
Post by: caster420 on July 28, 2008, 10:07:00 AM
QUOTE(shadowth @ Jul 28 2008, 11:47 AM)
What I mean is, does it perform challenges during gameplay, or is it just before the game is loaded? And, is it possible to hot-swap the drive, or does the system crash/asks again for media authentication? I know this does not have any practical use.
Yes, you can hotswap once loaded. It does have a practical use because IF you had an system which could be downgraded without a DVD key, you could boot KK original, then swap with a patched one, run the exploit and get your dvd-key.
Caster.
Post by: nelex on July 28, 2008, 10:15:00 AM
1. How can i find out which kernel i have ?
2. Can i hotswap disc from original (example GTA4) to another backup game ( example Darkness) ?
thanks
This post has been edited by nelex: Jul 28 2008, 05:24 PM
Post by: shadowth on July 28, 2008, 10:34:00 AM
@Nelex: Go to the configuration blade, system options and then go to about.
During gameplay, no way. Before the game starts (if you're in the Dashboard, and you can read the game title on the bottom), I'm quite sure the double checks the executable it is loading is the same one from when the disc verification was done.
Post by: nelex on July 28, 2008, 02:00:00 PM
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Post by: shadowth on July 28, 2008, 02:25:00 PM
So, it is the 5683.
Post by: nelex on July 28, 2008, 02:32:00 PM
Post by: scuba156 on July 28, 2008, 02:45:00 PM
QUOTE(caster420 @ Jul 29 2008, 02:07 AM)
Yes, you can hotswap once loaded. It does have a practical use because IF you had an system which could be downgraded without a DVD key, you could boot KK original, then swap with a patched one, run the exploit and get your dvd-key.
Caster.
problem is, any console with a lite-on drive WILL have the latest dashboard which the kk exploit cannot be run on, and has the latest base kernel with the timing attack exploit patched.
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 28, 2008, 03:27:00 PM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Jul 28 2008, 05:21 PM)
problem is, any console with a lite-on drive WILL have the latest dashboard which the kk exploit cannot be run on, and has the latest base kernel with the timing attack exploit patched.
Well, what if you had an exploitable console. That you had the DVD key, CPU key, and a dump of the NAND for. I know this isn't talked about, but you force the RROD, sent it to Microsoft. IF you get back the same motherboard...which you hopefully will, but they put in a new LiteOn drive, you COULD dump the NAND again and decrypt it with the CPU key and we could get the spoof string for LiteOn drives I guess....not much more...
Post by: Reaper527 on July 28, 2008, 05:13:00 PM
QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jul 28 2008, 05:27 PM)
Well, what if you had an exploitable console. That you had the DVD key, CPU key, and a dump of the NAND for. I know this isn't talked about, but you force the RROD, sent it to Microsoft. IF you get back the same motherboard...which you hopefully will, but they put in a new LiteOn drive, you COULD dump the NAND again and decrypt it with the CPU key and we could get the spoof string for LiteOn drives I guess....not much more...
what exactly is this going to accomplish besides warranty fraud?
microsoft will send you a different motherboard with a different key. this is why you have to migrate your licenses for downloaded content, because the system has a new keyvault.
and if by some off chance you did get the same motherboard/cpu keyvault/etc., and you put an old dvd drive in there, why bother getting the keyvault? to attempt to get the key you already have? the problem with the liteon drive is that it doesn't read out the firmware at all, it isn't an issue of it reading out something encrypted that we can't decrypt.
your method is also not a hack. it wouldn't help research, aka if it worked (which it wouldn't), it would help 1 person out of the hundreds of thousands of people with liteon drives.
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 28, 2008, 05:16:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Jul 28 2008, 07:13 PM)
what exactly is this going to accomplish besides warranty fraud?
microsoft will send you a different motherboard with a different key. this is why you have to migrate your licenses for downloaded content, because the system has a new keyvault.
and if by some off chance you did get the same motherboard/cpu keyvault/etc., and you put an old dvd drive in there, why bother getting the keyvault? to attempt to get the key you already have? the problem with the liteon drive is that it doesn't read out the firmware at all, it isn't an issue of it reading out something encrypted that we can't decrypt.
your method is also not a hack. it wouldn't help research, aka if it worked (which it wouldn't), it would help 1 person out of the hundreds of thousands of people with liteon drives.
Ya IDK why I said that. It was dumb.
Post by: acoustic992 on July 28, 2008, 10:27:00 PM
This post has been edited by acoustic992: Jul 29 2008, 05:28 AM
Post by: sethane on July 29, 2008, 01:30:00 AM
I got my first 360 with the lite-on drive, so you can imagine my anticipation.
Post by: Toddler on July 29, 2008, 02:17:00 AM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Jul 8 2008, 01:22 PM)
with the new Lite-On drive, the firmware never leaves the TSOP and actually has NO pins that allow the firmware to ever leave the chip. theres 100% NO way to read the firmware at all, not now, or in the future. its physically impossible
This post reminded me of the Wii scene. After the Wii was hacked, Nintendo modified the third generation of drives so that the pins for serial communication were "clipped" and could not be accessed. That move was countered by taking a Dremel to the chip and discovering that the pins were still internally present, and by removing just enough of the die to expose the missing legs, it was once again business as usual.
I know the Wii security is different, but still I wonder if such a thing has been explored. Perhaps the guts for reading out the TSOP are still there internally but just aren't pinned out to the board. I doubt it, but you never know.
Post by: scuba156 on July 29, 2008, 04:59:00 AM
QUOTE(acoustic992 @ Jul 29 2008, 02:27 PM)
how do i find out which drive the 360 have without opening the box?
QUOTE(sethane @ Jul 29 2008, 05:30 PM)
Take into consideration the past cd drives that have bene introduced, how long do you think this will take to crack?
I got my first 360 with the lite-on drive, so you can imagine my anticipation.
read through this thread and you will find the answers to your questions
Post by: flash360 on July 29, 2008, 06:35:00 AM
when will there be a fw hack for this drive (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
just kiddin, what im really wonderin is if it would be possible to downgrade to an exploitable kernell from a bad update situation. A mate of mine screwed up his box by trying to update with a backup and a crappy hitachi drive, after the update all he got when he switched on is a pink screen.
To cure it simly switch on with a game in the drive while holding in the sync button in and it reloads the update from the game. My friend used the same backup (against my advice) but it worked anyway. The question is would it have worked if he used an older game with an old update. also I dont think this problem would of occured if he had a hard drive as the update would probably be loaded to that and veryfied before updating.
Post by: scuba156 on July 29, 2008, 09:24:00 AM
QUOTE(flash360 @ Jul 29 2008, 10:35 PM)
I dont think this will work because of efuses and things but nobodys seems to have asked it in 42 pages so here goes.
when will there be a fw hack for this drive (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
just kiddin, what im really wonderin is if it would be possible to downgrade to an exploitable kernell from a bad update situation. A mate of mine screwed up his box by trying to update with a backup and a crappy hitachi drive, after the update all he got when he switched on is a pink screen.
To cure it simly switch on with a game in the drive while holding in the sync button in and it reloads the update from the game. My friend used the same backup (against my advice) but it worked anyway. The question is would it have worked if he used an older game with an old update. also I dont think this problem would of occured if he had a hard drive as the update would probably be loaded to that and veryfied before updating.
no it must be the same update. the xbox will not allow a downgrade of the dashboard/kernel in any way
Post by: matthaus000 on July 29, 2008, 09:52:00 AM
QUOTE(sethane @ Jul 29 2008, 08:30 AM)
Take into consideration the past cd drives that have bene introduced, how long do you think this will take to crack?
I got my first 360 with the lite-on drive, so you can imagine my anticipation.
It will never be cracked!
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 29, 2008, 09:45:00 AM
QUOTE(matthaus000 @ Jul 29 2008, 11:52 AM)
It will never be cracked!
You don't know that. There are Tx and Rx pins on the controller chip...I think this thing hasn't been looked into far enough. People say there isn't anywhere for the firmware to leave the chip. Hello? Rx and Tx not enough? Serial cable anyone? I think more investigation must be preformed.
Post by: caster420 on July 29, 2008, 12:08:00 PM
QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jul 29 2008, 12:21 PM)
You don't know that. There are Tx and Rx pins on the controller chip...I think this thing hasn't been looked into far enough. People say there isn't anywhere for the firmware to leave the chip. Hello? Rx and Tx not enough? Serial cable anyone? I think more investigation must be preformed.
Start reading other sources - it has been and is being investigated.
Caster.
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 29, 2008, 04:34:00 PM
QUOTE(caster420 @ Jul 29 2008, 02:08 PM)
Start reading other sources - it has been and is being investigated.
Caster.
Being investigated and it is nothing? Or being investigated and a possible lead?
Post by: caster420 on July 29, 2008, 05:02:00 PM
QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jul 29 2008, 06:34 PM)
Being investigated and it is nothing...
... so far.
Caster.
Post by: signum on July 29, 2008, 05:07:00 PM
Just hope my Falcon Elite and refurb 360 holds up for the future.
I was just thinking to myself if i should buy a Arcade preLOT 815 before it is too late.
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 29, 2008, 05:09:00 PM
QUOTE(caster420 @ Jul 29 2008, 07:02 PM)
... so far.
Caster.
Worst option, I hope we can flash these drives. Even if we can not read out the firmware, it would be nice to flash the drives. So like turn them into replacement drives and shit.
Post by: Toddler on July 29, 2008, 08:50:00 PM
Post by: signum on July 30, 2008, 05:38:00 AM
There are always other means to get around restrictions. The chip should have Tx & Rx inside it or some kind of programmer could force read the chip, even if it is just the key.
The hackers have claimed it is impossible are just clearly not proper hackers then. They might have hacked the previous drives but this one could be well out of their league.
What is impossible to them is not impossible to someone else so we will just wait and see.
I think it will be hacked by the years end with a passkey type mod of some kind. It is just getting the cmds to read it that will take time.
Post by: xeroer on July 30, 2008, 08:07:00 AM
QUOTE(signum @ Jul 30 2008, 09:38 PM)
I don't think enough work as been put into the drive for now......
There are always other means to get around restrictions. The chip should have Tx & Rx inside it or some kind of programmer could force read the chip, even if it is just the key.
The hackers have claimed it is impossible are just clearly not proper hackers then. They might have hacked the previous drives but this one could be well out of their league.
What is impossible to them is not impossible to someone else so we will just wait and see.
I think it will be hacked by the years end with a passkey type mod of some kind. It is just getting the cmds to read it that will take time.
I always thought that a hacker's means is only as strong as the hacker him(or her)self.
Ping pong between hacker and technician, if you will.
Here we have the hackers going at it with the 360s, and we have Microsoft coming back stronger.
Player vs Player, each time one advances, the other gets stronger.
It's only a matter of time before these new boxes get hacked - if that means stepping outside the DVD drive and looking for another way, that might have to be that way.
Depends how challenging it is to get 'in' another way, in comparison to the LiteOn drives, I suppose.
Post by: kavaron on July 30, 2008, 08:43:00 AM
Post by: Morphios on July 30, 2008, 09:43:00 AM
QUOTE(kavaron @ Jul 30 2008, 04:43 PM)
hello guys I'm new here but I was hoping that there is someone that is willing to trade a modable benq 360 for my anoying new benq liteon 360 thanks
Have patience...
Post by: Toddler on July 30, 2008, 10:38:00 AM
QUOTE(kavaron @ Jul 30 2008, 09:43 AM)
hello guys I'm new here but I was hoping that there is someone that is willing to trade a modable benq 360 for my anoying new benq liteon 360 thanks
Why the hell would anyone want to do that?
Post by: matthaus000 on July 30, 2008, 12:01:00 PM
Post by: civicracer1692 on July 30, 2008, 01:02:00 PM
anyways, this is a service refurb out of texas i believe and im located in central FL... one find i did notice is that this console has no HDMI port so its im 99% sure they stuck this new drive on the old MoBo and flashed it with the key. So it IS flashable.
This post has been edited by civicracer1692: Jul 30 2008, 08:03 PM
Post by: flash360 on July 30, 2008, 01:14:00 PM
Post by: L-Burna on July 31, 2008, 06:35:00 AM
Post by: scuba156 on July 31, 2008, 09:02:00 AM
QUOTE(L-Burna @ Jul 31 2008, 11:11 PM)
I think a solution will come around,even if the chip on the Lite-On drives erases could an extra TSOP chip be used to store the firmware creating something like a dual boot firmware in a way.Of course there is still alot that has to be done in order to get anywhere.
impossible, the key would need to be known per console, and the added TSOP would have to include the drive controller and everything else thats in the chip on the lite-on
Post by: 360DVDREPAIR on July 31, 2008, 09:19:00 AM
unhackable..
question. if the 360 console takes a dump and this new Lite-On burns out and you have to send
it in for repair. What is the process that the techs have to do to install another drive??
does the console program the key into the new drive automatically or is the key dumped into
a flashing program that flashes it into a new drive??
I think a read something that the Lite-On drives are blank during assembly and they get their
key information from the console and are programmed during first initial powering up. unless
I'm mistaken, this sounds like this process can be reverse engineered with this new chip doing
what many of us wanted for some time now, and that's the ability to get the key from the
360 mobo...
just a thought...
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 31, 2008, 10:20:00 AM
Post by: BoNg420 on July 31, 2008, 01:04:00 PM
QUOTE(360DVDREPAIR @ Jul 31 2008, 11:55 AM)
so I've looked over 44 pages of comments which basicly says, the new Lite-on drives are
unhackable..
question. if the 360 console takes a dump and this new Lite-On burns out and you have to send
it in for repair. What is the process that the techs have to do to install another drive??
does the console program the key into the new drive automatically or is the key dumped into
a flashing program that flashes it into a new drive??
I think a read something that the Lite-On drives are blank during assembly and they get their
key information from the console and are programmed during first initial powering up. unless
I'm mistaken, this sounds like this process can be reverse engineered with this new chip doing
what many of us wanted for some time now, and that's the ability to get the key from the
360 mobo...
just a thought...
We can assume MS has some piece of hardware or a disc they put into a drive which overrides the system to allow a key change or drive to be replaced.
It would be great if someone got a hold of this possible hardware or software so we could use it or recreate it to mod systems. The only thing they could do would probably make some update to the console so you cant use that tool they have anymore.
Post by: HackerSupreme on July 31, 2008, 02:56:00 PM
Post by: sniper_man on July 31, 2008, 03:33:00 PM
QUOTE(HackerSupreme @ Jul 31 2008, 09:56 PM)
I am thinking, that the more and more secure these systems become, the only chance of hacking them would be get someone on the inside of Microsoft.
Agreed, i see that being the only way this drive will ever get hacked.
lets hope a MS tech forgets to remove this disc and sends it back out after a repair. Like when the ping disc that got leaked onto the internet.
but i doubt it just a disc needed, but if it helps with the software side...
This post has been edited by sniper_man: Jul 31 2008, 10:36 PM
Post by: L-Burna on July 31, 2008, 04:44:00 PM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Jul 31 2008, 04:38 PM)
impossible, the key would need to be known per console, and the added TSOP would have to include the drive controller and everything else thats in the chip on the lite-on
I understand the key would need to be known,but just saying it would defeat the erasing issue with the chip.I'm not sure how much storage is needed for the firmware on the Lite-On drives,but the drive controller and everything else is already in place.You could use the drive controller functions and everything from the chip and add storage to it right.I'm sure microsoft wouldn't be able to delete the storage from a spare modchip if it was present,because you could disable the update functions from the spare storage.I believe a modchip could be made that attaches to the pins with storage for a firmware,but your right I have no clue on how to get the key which I'm stumped on.I don't know its just a thought and the problem is getting the key,but I was referring to the erasing issue.I think the best thing to do is break all the issues down and deal with them individually instead of trying to find a solution for everything at once.It would be nice to find a solution like that,but the chip seems to be pretty complicated.
Post by: fuckdead on July 31, 2008, 04:31:00 PM
Post by: L-Burna on July 31, 2008, 06:41:00 PM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Jul 31 2008, 08:40 PM)
We can assume MS has some piece of hardware or a disc they put into a drive which overrides the system to allow a key change or drive to be replaced.
It would be great if someone got a hold of this possible hardware or software so we could use it or recreate it to mod systems. The only thing they could do would probably make some update to the console so you cant use that tool they have anymore.
Yeah your right it would be cool to have the hardware or disc whatever they are using,but they could easily stop it like you mentioned.If it is hardware related they could revise it and exclude the old hardware out or if it was a disc they could cancel it out with an update.
Post by: soulbwoy on July 31, 2008, 07:11:00 PM
Post by: liorm on August 01, 2008, 02:17:00 AM
QUOTE(fuckdead @ Aug 1 2008, 12:07 AM)
c4eva topic @ irc: still working on lite-on, never say never! | DONT FUCKING ASK JUST FUCKING READ.
And what channel that might be ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)
Post by: kardasen on August 01, 2008, 05:19:00 AM
Thanks for all the hard work guys you Rock
time to play some Madden09
Post by: matthaus000 on August 01, 2008, 06:50:00 AM
Post by: hardie on August 02, 2008, 05:33:00 AM
http://club.cdfreaks.com/f44/flash-utility-liteon-based-optical-drives-v2-2-4-a-190420/
and just wondering if anyone has tried it
Im guessing that the drive is probably a laser drive as all the others but I dont know as I havent taken one apart
Just a thought though if this program can read the firmware maybe thats a start for the hacked firmware and possibly the key
I know this program says liteon based optical drive but hey wtf its worth a try
Post by: HackerSupreme on August 02, 2008, 12:52:00 PM
I doubt it is going to be this easy, to download some shit and dump the firmware. But it is worth a try.
Post by: OggyUK on August 03, 2008, 07:48:00 AM
Post by: towerblocks on August 03, 2008, 08:44:00 AM
from c4eva[6:37am]«+ ef~c4eva » i have found some things that are not yet known about the lite-on, it will be done!
[2:45pm] <jH0od> [6:37am]« ef~Al_lee » they're progressing with liteon?
[2:45pm] <jH0od> [6:37am]«+ ef~DeViLs360 » c4eva is that 100%
[2:45pm] <jH0od> [6:37am]«+ ef~c4eva » almost there!
jh0od: c4eva found that if you get the "Seriously...." Achievement from Gears Of War, it puts the lite-on into a flashable state
[2:46pm] <Ukyo> he is testing it now
Keep your fingers crossed
Post by: nelex on August 03, 2008, 10:27:00 AM
Post by: sniper_man on August 03, 2008, 10:41:00 AM
Post by: rantak on August 03, 2008, 10:28:00 AM
QUOTE(sniper_man @ Aug 3 2008, 07:41 PM)
how can unlockin an achievement put the drive into a flashable state...
lol, that was clearly a joke by jhood. That said progress is being made for a real hack.
Post by: nelex on August 03, 2008, 11:05:00 AM
Post by: matthaus000 on August 03, 2008, 12:01:00 PM
This post has been edited by matthaus000: Aug 3 2008, 07:06 PM
Post by: logicwatch on August 03, 2008, 12:05:00 PM
QUOTE(towerblocks @ Aug 3 2008, 04:20 PM)
Things are looking up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) from c4eva
[6:37am]«+ ef~c4eva » i have found some things that are not yet known about the lite-on, it will be done!
[2:45pm] <jH0od> [6:37am]« ef~Al_lee » they're progressing with liteon?
[2:45pm] <jH0od> [6:37am]«+ ef~DeViLs360 » c4eva is that 100%
[2:45pm] <jH0od> [6:37am]«+ ef~c4eva » almost there!
jh0od: c4eva found that if you get the "Seriously...." Achievement from Gears Of War, it puts the lite-on into a flashable state
[2:46pm] <Ukyo> he is testing it now
Keep your fingers crossed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
somehow I dont think this can be legit !!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Post by: OggyUK on August 03, 2008, 12:13:00 PM
The last bit was a joke.
Post by: MickRick on August 03, 2008, 12:22:00 PM
Post by: tester123 on August 03, 2008, 12:23:00 PM
QUOTE(MickRick @ Aug 3 2008, 01:22 PM)
Is the yellow wire a clear indictaion of a LiteOn drive. I have a very unhappy brother-in-law who's just bought a 360 with a manufacture date of May 08 and a yellow wire is visible.
You can search to find this answer, but yes, he has a lite-on.
Post by: beantown2k6 on August 03, 2008, 02:04:00 PM
QUOTE(towerblocks @ Aug 3 2008, 11:20 AM)
jh0od: c4eva found that if you get the "Seriously...." Achievement from Gears Of War, it puts the lite-on into a flashable state
[2:46pm] <Ukyo> he is testing it now
lol
Post by: spawnyuk on August 03, 2008, 03:04:00 PM
Post by: Vejita on August 03, 2008, 03:49:00 PM
QUOTE(spawnyuk @ Aug 3 2008, 08:04 PM)
is this claim a windup, or is there some truth behind this
I would also like to know.
Post by: radyboysmith on August 03, 2008, 03:32:00 PM
thats the best news grom c4eva .
Post by: buggymug on August 03, 2008, 05:11:00 PM
P.S for all of you interested my Team # was ADUE.
Cheers
Post by: Reaper527 on August 03, 2008, 05:45:00 PM
QUOTE(radyboysmith @ Aug 3 2008, 06:08 PM)
on the irc channel #fw it says "lite on likely done sometime no ETA"
thats the best news grom c4eva . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
wow, what a weekend. first we get the 79fk drive moddable without a passkey, now we get word that the liteon drive might be hackable after all.
Post by: s0nlxaftrsh0ck on August 04, 2008, 02:38:00 AM
Yeah..i still have nothing to contribute to this discussion so..i'm..probably gonna get punched in the face...::shields self::
I was quite dissapointed to find out i had one of these new drives though. 4 days straight of trying to flash the drive and turns out it was in the wrong sata port. Then when i find it...it's the newest drive >_<;. But in the long run it got me searching around for drives and trying to learn a bit more about it. But hopefully one day i can contribute. Hopefully
Post by: Vejita on August 04, 2008, 09:44:00 AM
I'm more interested in seeing them cracked because the new Jasper 360's will have these Liteon drives and I want to get Jasper based 360 as soon as they are in circulation.
Post by: Xinobi on August 04, 2008, 10:30:00 AM
Post by: nelex on August 04, 2008, 10:32:00 AM
Post by: OggyUK on August 04, 2008, 02:13:00 PM
QUOTE(nelex @ Aug 4 2008, 06:08 PM)
yes, you cant spoof this Liteon because we dont know the dvd key, be patient soon will be hacked............
Its not the key you need, its the Drive string ID to spoof.
Granted, you still need the key, but thats not spoofing.
Post by: Team Modfreakz on August 05, 2008, 06:56:00 AM
Pinout v1.1
MT1309E & MT1319L chipset
http://www.freepler.de/userdaten/38928917/bilder/xbox360/mt1309e_mt1319l_pinout_v1.1.png
Post by: xeroer on August 06, 2008, 10:22:00 AM
QUOTE(Mirkec23 @ Aug 7 2008, 02:43 AM)
C'mon guys, stay on topic! There are many other threads...
Well, to try and answer my question from before, I've had more thought into it - and if the DVD drive and motherboard are actually calculating their own unique keys and then comparing - wouldn't that cut out the possibility of throwing an older drive in and updating its own unique key?
I mean, if the Lite On and motherboard are doing what I'm thinking, it would require the whole firmware [on a Sammy for example] to be re-written to communicate with the motherboard correctly.
I'll look into this more in the morning. If someone could run a few of the technical details past me, I would know where we stand.
I do know my stuff, I'm just not fully in the know with the workings of this latest drive and how it communicates with the rest of the components.
Post by: MickRick on August 06, 2008, 11:34:00 AM
QUOTE(xeroer @ Aug 6 2008, 05:58 PM)
Well, to try and answer my question from before, I've had more thought into it - and if the DVD drive and motherboard are actually calculating their own unique keys and then comparing - wouldn't that cut out the possibility of throwing an older drive in and updating its own unique key?
I mean, if the Lite On and motherboard are doing what I'm thinking, it would require the whole firmware [on a Sammy for example] to be re-written to communicate with the motherboard correctly.
I'll look into this more in the morning. If someone could run a few of the technical details past me, I would know where we stand.
I do know my stuff, I'm just not fully in the know with the workings of this latest drive and how it communicates with the rest of the components.
What do you mean, like the LiteOn runs a random key generating algorithm which then matches up to a decypher algorithm running on the motherboard? If so, then I hardly think this would be the case. It would probably be prohibitively expensive in the first instance.
Post by: xeroer on August 06, 2008, 12:09:00 PM
QUOTE(MickRick @ Aug 7 2008, 04:10 AM) 
What do you mean, like the LiteOn runs a random key generating algorithm which then matches up to a decypher algorithm running on the motherboard? If so, then I hardly think this would be the case. It would probably be prohibitively expensive in the first instance.
From the impression I got from some posts, yes, that is what I'm assuming.
What really is happening is my question.. This whole thing of the Lite-On not actually sending a unique key to the motherboard (thus, preventing us from snatching it) is the thing bugging me.
Can anyone clear this up?
Unrelated, I'm going to send one of my RROD consoles (ms25) off to Microsoft tomorrow.
The whole Lite-On hack possibility has given me enough reason to risk losing the ms25 for a refurb Lite On.
Post by: caster420 on August 06, 2008, 04:28:00 PM
QUOTE(xeroer @ Aug 5 2008, 11:51 PM)
What I'm getting to, is that if the drive can be read in the traditional manner, I should be able to replace my LiteOn with one of my Sam drives, and be back to playing my Orange Box backup (I have gone through 3 backups + 1 original now) without waiting the extra time (as it could be as long as months) for the drive to be hackable entirely?
Yes. Once the drive key and OSIG (version) string are known, you can replace the drive.
Caster.
Post by: Zaii on August 07, 2008, 12:41:00 PM
Post by: Vejita on August 07, 2008, 02:19:00 PM
QUOTE(-Roy- @ Aug 7 2008, 05:03 PM)
Sorry to be bother, I'm new to the site. Where are you getting this info? Is there any other place I can check for updates on this (Other than this thread)?
He has seen that info on #fw channel on IRC.
This post has been edited by Vejita: Aug 7 2008, 09:21 PM
Post by: -Roy- on August 07, 2008, 02:40:00 PM
QUOTE(Vejita @ Aug 7 2008, 05:19 PM)
He has seen that info on #fw channel on IRC.
Thanks a lot! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Time to create an IRC user... Hehe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: mall on August 07, 2008, 03:21:00 PM
maybe anyone here can me explain how it can be possible to flash this drive...
Post by: craigncheri on August 07, 2008, 03:36:00 PM
Really interested in what team xecutor will find if anything
Post by: Wilhelm_I on August 07, 2008, 04:58:00 PM
QUOTE(craigncheri @ Aug 7 2008, 11:36 PM)
if the firmware is in rom or maskrom we won't be able to flash that chip but it may be possible to pull a leg high or low on that controller chip and force it to load it's firmware from an external flash rom. It may be possible to sniff the sata traffic to determine the drive key (this has probably already been looked at). might be able to glitch the rom after the system boots to get it to give us a dump, similar to the way some satellite smart cards have been read out.
Really interested in what team xecutor will find if anything
God dammit read some posts before posting the same crap over and over again!
Post by: scuba156 on August 07, 2008, 05:48:00 PM
QUOTE(mall @ Aug 8 2008, 07:21 AM)
i dont think a firmware can be flashed to this drive because again its ROM...but im think c4eva have a way to replace the drive with another.
maybe anyone here can me explain how it can be possible to flash this drive...
it hasnt been confirmed as ROM. actually, if you look here, the chip may have been erased which would mean it is not ROM
Post by: Revolt_Gameshop on August 08, 2008, 05:17:00 AM
QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Aug 8 2008, 05:58 AM)
God dammit read some posts before posting the same crap over and over again!
i agree my friend, i agree...
Post by: mall on August 09, 2008, 05:05:00 AM
hmmm
Post by: OggyUK on August 09, 2008, 05:19:00 AM
Same shit, different day, except the devs are more in the know and progressing daily.
Post by: Hype on August 09, 2008, 04:44:00 PM
QUOTE
As you are probably aware we retired from making Xbox modchips some time ago and have only made a few add-ons for the 360 here and there. However we have been barraged with requests regarding the new Liteon drive.
So we're being sent a couple and have agreed to at least have a look. We'd prefer there to be some flashing solution of course then the FW guys could do what they do best, however it looks like a read only masked rom. From what we can see atm there is nothing that looks any more complicated than the original Xbox hacking we did, so we'll see what we can do. The motivation hasn't been there for a long time but maybe this will kick us in the ass like the old days
Note: C4EVA may have made some progress so if he needs anything from us or if we will be wasting our time - just get him to drop us a line - thanks.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)
Post by: milamber on August 09, 2008, 08:25:00 PM
QUOTE(Hype @ Aug 10 2008, 08:44 AM)
Wow, really?
Welcome to last week
When will this thread be locked?
Post by: as905 on August 10, 2008, 02:30:00 AM
QUOTE(milamber @ Aug 10 2008, 03:25 AM)
calm down
Post by: signum on August 10, 2008, 03:34:00 AM
QUOTE(milamber @ Aug 10 2008, 03:25 AM)
Welcome to arragonce because that's what you are.
Post by: jimbobjim on August 10, 2008, 03:49:00 AM
If you don't like this thread then don't come here and read it... simple.
Post by: skadollax on February 04, 2020, 03:45:00 AM
When It returned from the repair centre I had a hardon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/muhaha.gif) but when I opened the box I suddenly had a liteon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) ...
And I hadn't even consumed any grog yet!
Now even my wife wants this liteon problem fixed.
So it's nice to see that progress is being made to assist with my love life. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)
Post by: Revolt_Gameshop on February 04, 2020, 05:27:00 AM
QUOTE(skadollax @ Aug 10 2008, 05:45 PM)
Me Elite DVD drive was intermittently not opening and closing. So I sent it away to have the drive repaired but wasn't aware of the current state of affairs regarding this new drive.
When It returned from the repair centre I had a hardon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/muhaha.gif) but when I opened the box I suddenly had a liteon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) ...
And I hadn't even consumed any grog yet!
Now even my wife wants this liteon problem fixed.
So it's nice to see that progress is being made to assist with my love life. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)
good to hear someone's happy with the new drive. congrats bro. people, pls... keep our fingers crossed... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: logicwatch on August 10, 2008, 07:32:00 AM
QUOTE(skadollax @ Aug 10 2008, 11:45 AM)
Me Elite DVD drive was intermittently not opening and closing. So I sent it away to have the drive repaired but wasn't aware of the current state of affairs regarding this new drive.
When It returned from the repair centre I had a hardon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/muhaha.gif) but when I opened the box I suddenly had a liteon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) ...
And I hadn't even consumed any grog yet!
Now even my wife wants this liteon problem fixed.
So it's nice to see that progress is being made to assist with my love life. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)
It is a well known fact that these liteon drives are definately starting to affect the sex life of all modders out there !!! mainly because they now have A LOT MORE SPARE TIME >>>> LOL !!!
This post has been edited by logicwatch: Aug 10 2008, 02:34 PM
Post by: Revolt_Gameshop on February 02, 2020, 11:27:00 PM
QUOTE(logicwatch @ Aug 10 2008, 08:32 PM)
It is a well known fact that these liteon drives are definately starting to affect the sex life of all modders out there !!! mainly because they now have A LOT MORE SPARE TIME >>>> LOL !!!
i agree bro. since they have nothing to screw with that Lite-ON drive, then they'll defintely find something to screw up with (or someone) LOL (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: kardasen on August 11, 2008, 04:15:00 AM
watch some football and be patient they are working on it
xXdarthvaderx
Post by: skadollax on February 03, 2020, 05:24:00 AM
But during our last session the misses said Bens Q t (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)
So I slapped her around a bit with the lite on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grr.gif)
When I hid as she screemed for help.... our neighbour Sam sung out to try and calm things down.
Ipreped myself with a key, entered sams house and sata my neigbour down.
Then I flashed him with my crack (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Sam says bens not that cute, infact he's actually a little lite on in the looks department.
As it stands the only difference between the two of us is our skin colour, white vs yellow.
The misses says she's gonna leave me for this older guy Ben if I can't get a hard on.
Please save my marriage (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)
Post by: logicwatch on February 03, 2020, 05:43:00 AM
I thought things might be on the up and up in the bedroom (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif) after my last post....
But during our last session the misses said Bens Q t (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)
So I slapped her around a bit with the lite on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grr.gif)
When I hid as she screemed for help.... our neighbour Sam sung out to try and calm things down.
Ipreped myself with a key, entered sams house and sata my neigbour down.
Then I flashed him with my crack (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Sam says bens not that cute, infact he's actually a little lite on in the looks department.
As it stands the only difference between the two of us is our skin colour, white vs yellow.
The misses says she's gonna leave me for this older guy Ben if I can't get a hard on.
Please save my marriage :
c4eva marriage council required !!!!
This post has been edited by logicwatch: Yesterday, 01:46 PM
Post by: StrictPuppet on August 11, 2008, 09:13:00 PM
Post by: nick.king on August 12, 2008, 04:36:00 AM
QUOTE(asapreta @ Apr 21 2008, 10:48 PM)
And which was the problem the console had when it was sent to M$ for repair that made them change it´s drive? Also was the drive flashed when it was sent to the repair centre?
A friend at work just got his back from repair with a new motherboard and drive even though the drive worked perfectly when it wasn't 3 red lighting!
Post by: coedshowers on August 12, 2008, 03:28:00 PM
Post by: s0nlxaftrsh0ck on August 12, 2008, 11:39:00 PM
QUOTE(coedshowers @ Aug 12 2008, 05:28 PM)
im in tulsa oklahoma and i just got one that was lite on / phillips. last friday actually. i returned it for my money back and im going to a differant wallmart and try my luck again..
I have since returned mines also. But i would still like to keep an eye here just incase i need to mod a friends PC. I luckily enough at one of the old BenQ's but had hit some snags but eventually was able to get it up and running.
This post has been edited by s0nlxaftrsh0ck: Aug 13 2008, 06:42 AM
Post by: BoNg420 on August 13, 2008, 07:14:00 AM
QUOTE(coedshowers @ Aug 12 2008, 05:28 PM)
im in tulsa oklahoma and i just got one that was lite on / phillips. last friday actually. i returned it for my money back and im going to a differant wallmart and try my luck again..
Look at the side of the box by the UPC, look for the lot number, try to get something lot no. 0815 or lower.
Try going to a store like kmart, where they prob dont sell alot of game systems and buy one there. Also try sears.
Post by: Revolt_Gameshop on August 13, 2008, 11:14:00 PM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Aug 13 2008, 08:14 PM)
Look at the side of the box by the UPC, look for the lot number, try to get something lot no. 0815 or lower.
Try going to a store like kmart, where they prob dont sell alot of game systems and buy one there. Also try sears.
err... i got lot#813 & it's a Lite-ON (~~#), trade it with lot#812& it's a Ben-Q (^^) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Post by: xbox-xenon on August 14, 2008, 05:12:00 AM
Post by: muzE on August 14, 2008, 09:06:00 AM
QUOTE(xbox-xenon @ Aug 14 2008, 02:48 PM)
<+c4eva> the end is near for lite-on!
yay!
i cant wait to! i have this lite-on shit and about 40 backups.
Post by: kalon on August 14, 2008, 10:48:00 AM
QUOTE(xbox-xenon @ Aug 14 2008, 07:48 AM)
<+c4eva> the end is near for lite-on!
This is great news, considering the Elite I just picked up from Dell has a Lite-On drive in it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: Hype on August 14, 2008, 11:21:00 AM
QUOTE(xbox-xenon @ Aug 14 2008, 12:48 PM)
<+c4eva> the end is near for lite-on!
QUOTE
xbox-xenon
Group: Members
Posts: 1
Joined: Today, 12:47 PM
do you consider him trustworthy? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)
Post by: mall on August 14, 2008, 12:43:00 PM
this is true
but...maybe ceva give up his work... the end is near
This post has been edited by mall: Aug 14 2008, 07:44 PM
Post by: chaot1c on August 14, 2008, 12:52:00 PM
QUOTE
* Now talking in #fw
* Topic is 'type ? list for commands | No Lite-on Updates'
* Set by [email protected] on Tue Aug 12 22:59:54
* Topic is 'type ? list for commands | No Lite-on Updates'
* Set by [email protected] on Tue Aug 12 22:59:54
Nice try.
Post by: Kyo13 on August 14, 2008, 12:59:00 PM
So right, I have not a lot of message too, I'm a noob user for this forum too ... but I was present on IRC when C4eva says that !
Just look at Xboxhacker forum, I have post the new too ...
PS : I don't think C4eva will give up ... he said that it will be done ... (Excuse me if my english isn't perfect I'm French ... this is why I'm noob on your forum ...)
This post has been edited by Kyo13: Aug 14 2008, 08:04 PM
Post by: Wilhelm_I on August 14, 2008, 03:05:00 PM
God dammit get your lunch box and go to school! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
xbox-xenon 1 post
muzE 5 posts
Hype 5 posts
mall 3 posts
Kyo13 1 post
Hmmm... Staminus Communications
This post has been edited by Wilhelm_I: Aug 14 2008, 10:10 PM
Post by: muzE on August 14, 2008, 03:31:00 PM
u can check my ip if u want :X
besides
QUOTE
Joined: 14-January 08
This post has been edited by muzE: Aug 14 2008, 10:32 PM
Post by: Kyo13 on August 14, 2008, 03:32:00 PM
Anyway it's a question of time before information will be confirmed ...
I suggest you to go at school ... What a mentality ...
Post by: Timaneo on August 14, 2008, 03:45:00 PM
This post has been edited by Timaneo: Aug 14 2008, 10:46 PM
Post by: Kyo13 on August 14, 2008, 03:52:00 PM
White Wire = BenQ
Yellow Wire = LiteOn
Edit : By without opening the box, I was thinking first that you talking about the Xbox, but if you talk about the package, then the only way to know is the Lot Number ... Somes sites refers what drive are found in different lots.
This post has been edited by Kyo13: Aug 14 2008, 10:53 PM
Post by: Timaneo on August 14, 2008, 04:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Kyo13 @ Aug 14 2008, 02:52 PM)
I think you can see that in the forum ... but well ... yes, just remove the faceplate, and look at the little hole in right front of the drive.
White Wire = BenQ
Yellow Wire = LiteOn
Edit : By without opening the box, I was thinking first that you talking about the Xbox, but if you talk about the package, then the only way to know is the Lot Number ... Somes sites refers what drive are found in different lots.
Ya I meant the packaging box. I'm looking at the hole right now and there are 2 white wires in front of other yellow wires. and its an dg-16d2s drive so I'm not sure how that works.
Well I looked at this http://360drives.com/list and it seems most lite-on are for elites with manufacturing date of april and May. Should I avoid all of those?
Post by: Kyo13 on August 14, 2008, 04:28:00 PM
Not only the elite package is touch ... but well the important is the lot number, not the manufacturing date.
This post has been edited by Kyo13: Aug 14 2008, 11:40 PM
Post by: Timaneo on August 14, 2008, 04:57:00 PM
Post by: xbox-xenon on August 14, 2008, 05:56:00 PM
QUOTE(Hype @ Aug 14 2008, 06:21 PM)
[08:27] <+c4eva> lite-on will be soon!
He posted this on the #FW channel.
Australia time - 08:27AM.
Cheers.
This post has been edited by xbox-xenon: Aug 15 2008, 01:00 AM
Post by: -Roy- on August 14, 2008, 06:24:00 PM
Post by: scuba156 on August 14, 2008, 07:30:00 PM
QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Aug 15 2008, 07:05 AM)
Could a moderator please check the IPs /Useragents of these people because this sounds like some kid who got too much time on his hands?
God dammit get your lunch box and go to school! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
xbox-xenon 1 post
muzE 5 posts
Hype 5 posts
mall 3 posts
Kyo13 1 post
Hmmm... Staminus Communications
each one has a different ip address
Post by: Morphios on August 14, 2008, 07:35:00 PM
QUOTE(xbox-xenon @ Aug 15 2008, 01:56 AM)
[08:27] <+c4eva> lite-on will be soon!
He posted this on the #FW channel.
Australia time - 08:27AM.
Cheers.
Yea I can confirm that, I was there too at that time, but in Europe time
[00:27] <+c4eva> lite-on will be soon!
Post by: XBOXIZGOOD on August 15, 2008, 03:33:00 AM
Post by: xbox-xenon on August 15, 2008, 04:39:00 AM
QUOTE(XBOXIZGOOD @ Aug 15 2008, 10:33 AM)
I just sent in my 360 to MS with a faulty BenQ drive. Is it pretty much 100% certain that I'll get a new LiteOn instead of another BenQ??
I just recently sent mine to M$ and I know I'll be getting a Lite-on. I'm pretty sure its to late now to get a refurbished BenQ.
Cheers.
Post by: fbi360 on August 15, 2008, 06:15:00 AM
Post by: Bonnsay on August 15, 2008, 06:23:00 AM
Post by: Wilhelm_I on February 03, 2020, 06:58:00 AM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Aug 15 2008, 03:30 AM)
each one has a different ip address
Ah alright I am taking it back then looks like the information is sound...
Just depends on how c4eva means it, it is already possible to flash this thing so he might just bereferring to the fact that it is possible to get they key with certain methods and to flash the drive.
This doesnt mean that it is possible for US to do it though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Post by: -Roy- on August 15, 2008, 08:29:00 AM
QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Aug 15 2008, 10:58 AM)
Just depends on how c4eva means it, it is already possible to flash this thing so he might just bereferring to the fact that it is possible to get they key with certain methods and to flash the drive.
This doesnt mean that it is possible for US to do it though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Sorry, I don't know much about this kind of thing but shouldn't the way to get the key be the same?
Post by: Antman1 on August 15, 2008, 08:33:00 AM
Post by: SpIdErXeN on August 15, 2008, 04:16:00 PM
QUOTE(Antman1 @ Aug 15 2008, 03:33 PM)
Currently it is not possible to get a firmware dump of any kind from a Lite-On drive
As far as we know, it's not. Maybe C4E has figured out a way to do it somehow.
Post by: TheBestXboxModder on August 15, 2008, 05:02:00 PM
Post by: headonism on August 16, 2008, 01:18:00 PM
Post by: O_oTheGameo_O on August 16, 2008, 02:58:00 PM
QUOTE(headonism @ Aug 16 2008, 09:18 PM)
heh guys not sure if u'd find this interesting but i just noticed that that power supply cable going into the xbox is a different type i have two 360s and the one with the lite on drive has got a different connector
lol I have 3 diffrent... some 3 pins some 2 pins... some are heavy and others are not so heavy...
nothing special....
Post by: StrictPuppet on August 16, 2008, 04:34:00 PM
QUOTE(headonism @ Aug 16 2008, 12:18 PM)
heh guys not sure if u'd find this interesting but i just noticed that that power supply cable going into the xbox is a different type i have two 360s and the one with the lite on drive has got a different connector
The power supply was changed with the release of the falcon mobo.
175w vs 203w
Post by: BlackWar on August 16, 2008, 06:35:00 PM
Also, knowing C4E, this will be more then likely something similar to the benq recovery mode, where you have to cut traces and probably solder jumper leads in order to get the drive into recovery mode.
The only thing that I can suggest is for everybody to just stop spamming speculations about it and just wait for C4E to make his official statement. I waited several months for C4E to "fix" the benq drive, and I am ever so glad I did.
Post by: beantown2k6 on August 16, 2008, 06:40:00 PM
Post by: muzE on August 16, 2008, 07:25:00 PM
QUOTE(StrictPuppet @ Aug 17 2008, 01:34 AM)
The power supply was changed with the release of the falcon mobo.
175w vs 203w
my box got the rrod and got repaired by M$ u.s. they putted in a new mobo and the lite-on drive..
so, now.. i might have a falcon version? or only the people who buy a new falcon box can get the lite-on.
take care
Post by: Kariiim on August 17, 2008, 06:06:00 AM
my console's fucked up, so i'm thinking about getting an arcade version (cheap) if there's still any Benq's out there..
cause MS will most deff return me a lite-on drive :-/
nice forum btw =)
Post by: O_oTheGameo_O on August 17, 2008, 08:39:00 AM
QUOTE(Kariiim @ Aug 17 2008, 02:06 PM)
anyone know how things are here in Norway? any of the big electronic stores (Elkjøp, lefdal, SIBA, Expert etc.) still got the old benq-drive versions to sell?
my console's fucked up, so i'm thinking about getting an arcade version (cheap) if there's still any Benq's out there..
cause MS will most deff return me a lite-on drive :-/
nice forum btw =)
wow what about reading the "nice forum". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
Post by: xbox-xenon on August 17, 2008, 09:08:00 AM
c4eva is king!
Post by: Revolt_Gameshop on August 18, 2008, 06:04:00 AM
QUOTE(O_oTheGameo_O @ Aug 17 2008, 09:39 PM)
yeah, read from the first page is highly recommended (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: muzE on August 18, 2008, 04:36:00 PM
just a rumor or true info?..
btw, aren't COONAMUNJARO liars(the group who have released the fake gta iv ?
take care.
Post by: ManImHungry on August 18, 2008, 08:49:00 PM
Damn all I want to do is just replace it with a Samsung MS28 I have. Lite-On and BenQ drives are crap now after Lite-On took over BenQ.
I still have my BenQ DW1655 DVD Burner though. And it has burn over 80 GAMES using $1 cheap DVD + DL disk with no problems. Well one time but the .iso was corrupt. YOU CAN'T TOUCH THIS DRIVE!!
I love it when I hear those Verbatim guys says just use Vert. its the best. ha, ha, suckers!! My Samsung Drive never had a problem reading them either.
This post has been edited by ManImHungry: Aug 19 2008, 03:51 AM
Post by: KickYoAss on August 18, 2008, 09:44:00 PM
This post has been edited by KickYoAss: Aug 19 2008, 04:46 AM
Post by: StrictPuppet on August 18, 2008, 10:23:00 PM
QUOTE(ManImHungry @ Aug 18 2008, 07:49 PM)
Well its not just in Australia now I just picked up a 60G system with dvd drive Lite-On Model:DG-16D2S FW:74850C at Walmart in the US. This might be old new but I really didn't feel like going thru over 50 posts to see.
Yes this has been known for quite some time now. I have just changed the title of this thread to reflect that so there is no more confusion. Thanks for your input.
Post by: Chimp5000 on August 18, 2008, 11:52:00 PM
Post by: dazv6 on February 04, 2020, 06:00:00 AM
Post by: brianzx on August 19, 2008, 07:07:00 AM
Post by: Lush on August 19, 2008, 08:01:00 AM
QUOTE(brianzx @ Aug 19 2008, 02:07 PM)
what is the website for C4E ...orthe dvd drives?
http://www.360drives.com/list
Post by: Kariiim on August 19, 2008, 09:21:00 AM
QUOTE(dazv6 @ Aug 19 2008, 03:00 PM)
I just got a repair back from germany today, lucky me a benq vad6038, originally it had a ms25 drive in there restored back to factory firmware, im in the uk if that matters.
so u can still get a Benq Vad6038 back from repair, sweet (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
but, i guess it's like hittin' the lottery..
Post by: mbr777 on August 19, 2008, 11:16:00 AM
QUOTE(Chimp5000 @ Aug 19 2008, 01:52 AM)
Just got one back today. It has a lite-on drive, but no opus motherboard.
My brother just got his back from M$ repair center yesterday, and if the White wire is an indication of a BenQ drive than that's what it is.
His is a elite black xbox.
Post by: brianzx on August 19, 2008, 01:24:00 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on August 19, 2008, 01:28:00 PM
QUOTE(brianzx @ Aug 19 2008, 08:24 PM)
when the hacking of the lite-on thing is done and released tell me...and when is the new dashboard releasing by that I mean month...
If you know someone with a working crystal ball ask them. Let us know what they say.
Post by: KickYoAss on August 19, 2008, 02:59:00 PM
QUOTE(brianzx @ Aug 19 2008, 08:24 PM)
when the hacking of the lite-on thing is done and released tell me...and when is the new dashboard releasing by that I mean month...
You seem to be an arrogant person. I'll absolutely make sure to tell you when it's out, the oh so mighty brian. And only because of your asking about the new dashboard, Microsoft has made the decision to release it early. So, 1 hour from now.
Post by: StrictPuppet on August 19, 2008, 03:04:00 PM
QUOTE(KickYoAss @ Aug 19 2008, 01:59 PM)
You seem to be an arrogant person. I'll absolutely make sure to tell you when it's out, the oh so mighty brian. And only because of your asking about the new dashboard, Microsoft has made the decision to release it early. So, 1 hour from now.
No need to go off on him. English is not everyones first language and his comment just wasn't worded quite correctly.
Post by: brianzx on August 19, 2008, 06:04:00 PM
QUOTE(KickYoAss @ Aug 19 2008, 10:59 PM)
You seem to be an arrogant person. I'll absolutely make sure to tell you when it's out, the oh so mighty brian. And only because of your asking about the new dashboard, Microsoft has made the decision to release it early. So, 1 hour from now.
so after 1 hour the dashboard is released?
Post by: dimmellee on August 19, 2008, 06:12:00 PM
QUOTE(brianzx @ Aug 20 2008, 01:04 AM)
so after 1 hour the dashboard is released?
I think you might have to understand he was being sarcastic, is your native tongue something other than english?
Post by: brianzx on August 19, 2008, 06:49:00 PM
QUOTE(dimmellee @ Aug 20 2008, 02:12 AM)
I think you might have to understand he was being sarcastic, is your native tongue something other than english?
Im born in sweden but my mother thongue is english...
Post by: KickYoAss on August 19, 2008, 08:16:00 PM
Post by: dude24 on August 20, 2008, 05:30:00 AM
QUOTE(ManImHungry @ Aug 19 2008, 04:49 AM)
Well its not just in Australia now I just picked up a 60G system with dvd drive Lite-On Model:DG-16D2S FW:74850C at Walmart in the US. This might be old new but I really didn't feel like going thru over 50 posts to see.
Damn all I want to do is just replace it with a Samsung MS28 I have. Lite-On and BenQ drives are crap now after Lite-On took over BenQ.
I still have my BenQ DW1655 DVD Burner though. And it has burn over 80 GAMES using $1 cheap DVD + DL disk with no problems. Well one time but the .iso was corrupt. YOU CAN'T TOUCH THIS DRIVE!!
I love it when I hear those Verbatim guys says just use Vert. its the best. ha, ha, suckers!! My Samsung Drive never had a problem reading them either.
I Agree , I use a BenQ 1650 but I flashed to BenQ 1655 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) these BenQ burners deliver quality discs.
I use cheap (Ritek) media as well, works flawless in mine 360.
Post by: Havok on August 20, 2008, 10:06:00 AM
QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Aug 20 2008, 10:33 AM)
This is warranty fraud my friend and against the rules...
Reported...
I'm of the view that while we don't condone sending in modded consoles... If MS decides to fix it that is their problem.
I do remind people that they will have to pay for shipping and get their modded console back unrepared 99% of the time.
Post by: scuba156 on August 20, 2008, 05:55:00 PM
QUOTE(Havok @ Aug 21 2008, 02:06 AM)
I'm of the view that while we don't condone sending in modded consoles... If MS decides to fix it that is their problem.
I do remind people that they will have to pay for shipping and get their modded console back unrepared 99% of the time.
i agree with you, but i dont think we need people telling us that they did it. its still illegal to do, and also lets other people think its possible and ok to do. user warned, and posts removed
QUOTE(calloused labia @ Aug 21 2008, 09:42 AM)
It doesn't matter if the back ups are legit. Unless MS considers an end user flashing their drive with iXtreme an authorized upgrade or repair, then just going on live with modded firmware is a violation of the service agreement. A form of fraud. Not honoring the spirit of the contract.
14. SERVICE OPERATION AND EQUIPMENT
The Service may only be accessed with an original Xbox, an Xbox 360 console, a personal computer or by logging into your account via Xbox.com. You agree that you are using authorized software and hardware to access the Service, and that your software and hardware have not been modified in any unauthorized way (e.g., authorized repairs, upgrades and downloads).
thats why many of us have two consoles, one for backups and one for the originals/LIVE. talking about playing backups on xbox live is also against the rules here
anyway, lets keep it on topic. no need to thread crap
This post has been edited by scuba156: Aug 21 2008, 12:59 AM
Post by: JSMXBOX on August 20, 2008, 08:01:00 PM
Post by: Arakon on August 21, 2008, 12:22:00 AM
Post by: guffedk on August 21, 2008, 07:53:00 AM
http://guf4you.dk/IMG_0939.jpg
http://guf4you.dk/IMG_0941.jpg
http://guf4you.dk/IMG_0945.jpg
Im from denmark and the repair center are ind germany
The BenQ drive is made May 2008
Post by: xboxmodder32 on August 21, 2008, 11:45:00 AM
Post by: Ranger72 on August 21, 2008, 12:14:00 PM
Post by: StrictPuppet on August 21, 2008, 12:54:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Aug 21 2008, 11:50 AM)
I thought this was a thread about the new LiteOn drive?
Exactly. More OT posts have been removed. Next moron that decides to use this technical thread for general bitching and flaming, will find themselves muted. Keep posts related to Lite-on drive only.
Post by: scuba156 on August 21, 2008, 02:35:00 PM
This post has been edited by scuba156: Aug 21 2008, 09:36 PM
Post by: s0nlxaftrsh0ck on February 03, 2020, 07:20:00 PM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Aug 21 2008, 04:35 PM)
yes, i am getting sick of removing posts and submitting bans from this thread as well. there has been a fair few amount of warnings in this thread to cut it out. this is the last warning to keep it on topic, and keep all Lite-On related posts in this thread only
i don't think they're gonna see it as they are not gonna read through 50+ pages and see these warnings. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif);
Post by: brianzx on February 03, 2020, 10:52:00 AM
Post by: Ranger72 on February 03, 2020, 11:16:00 AM
QUOTE(brianzx @ Aug 23 2008, 06:52 PM)
do you know where you can sell the xbox 360 because I have a lite-on drive and i want to sell it so that I can buy a new xbox 360 that I can flash....
eBay or the buy sell forum here.
Post by: WTFudge on February 03, 2020, 01:58:00 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on February 03, 2020, 02:12:00 PM
QUOTE(WTFudge @ Aug 23 2008, 09:58 PM)
Now this looks good. Lets hope something comes of this.
Post by: s0nlxaftrsh0ck on February 03, 2020, 05:03:00 PM
QUOTE(brianzx @ Aug 23 2008, 01:52 PM)
do you know where you can sell the xbox 360 because I have a lite-on drive and i want to sell it so that I can buy a new xbox 360 that I can flash....
Is it the Lite-On drive we have here? Or does it say VAD6038. If you have that one you're okay and in the clear and can do the flash.
Post by: XBOXIZGOOD on February 04, 2020, 12:52:00 AM
This post has been edited by XBOXIZGOOD: Today, 08:58 AM
Post by: fitsman on February 04, 2020, 01:24:00 AM
This post has been edited by fitsman: Today, 09:25 AM
Post by: Garytek on February 04, 2020, 03:37:00 AM
QUOTE(XBOXIZGOOD @ Aug 24 2008, 05:22 PM)
Is it pretty much a guarantee that I will get back a LiteOn in my repaired 360? The BenQ that was in it took a shit, so now I'm betting I'll be getting the unhackable one in return. I've seen that people abroad have had some luck getting another BenQ, but it seems like US system owners are getting back ALL LiteOns. My BenQ was shit, and UPS is delivering it Monday and I'd like to know what to expect. Also, are both the BenQ and LiteON MECHANICALLY the same? I'm hoping they made the LiteOn drives more durable, since I feel the BenQs are shit.
Glad to see the BenQ drives being viewed for the 'shit' it really is. Dude said the words 'shit' and 'BenQ' more than once in paragraph.
I played Verbatim backups on my BenQ drive for a month until the laser weakened and loaded GTA 4 like shit. That's why I'm stocking up on Samsung and LG drives just in case Lite-On gets the same 'shit' outcome.
Post by: Morphios on August 24, 2008, 06:00:00 AM
Post by: alex1015 on February 04, 2020, 06:47:00 AM
QUOTE(Morphios @ Aug 24 2008, 08:36 AM)
[13:07] <+c4eva> dvdkey extraction successful on liteon, key update/write to any drive successful(liteon included), work continues to dump/write fw
So that would mean we can replace and spoof soon, no?
Post by: Wilhelm_I on February 04, 2020, 07:16:00 AM
Here is a picture of the dumping process taken from XBH...
(IMG:http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6992/23082008hg0.jpg)
Post by: Antman1 on February 04, 2020, 07:19:00 AM
Post by: scuba156 on August 24, 2008, 11:13:00 AM
please, only post if you think you need to. useless posts clog up the thread and make it hard for people to get valuable information out of it
Post by: fadge on August 24, 2008, 11:31:00 AM
It receives DVDkey from drive serial port and save to file, you need a LVTTL-RS232 converter (max3232) between COM1 (embedded COM1 on motherboard, 0x3F8 IRQ4) and TX RX pins on drive power cable (for liteon the trace to powercable are cut, need a little soldering).
It also saves identify.bin and inquiry.bin, for the spoof lovers.
This "unlocks" also Benq to accept MTK vendor ATA cmds (dosflash etc...), not for liteon
You must power on PC without sata cable connected to drive.
You must poweron the drive with tray half opened and eject switch in open state.
You must power off an on again the drive each time you run the app.
For rs232 troubleshuting, consider that Liteon by default outputs an endless stream of 0x00 and 0x01 at 115200 8N1, you should see it with Realterm with display set to hex
As always, us at your own risk
Thanks and respect to Tiros, Schtrom, TMF, Redline99, c4eva
Geremia
Program in the usual places...look for "DVDkey"
Post by: aope on August 24, 2008, 11:57:00 AM
Post by: ktmkid on August 24, 2008, 11:59:00 AM
Post by: syntaxerror329 on August 24, 2008, 12:11:00 PM
QUOTE(ktmkid @ Aug 24 2008, 02:35 PM)
so i'm supposing this is a major break through. but what does it actually mean? is the lite-on drive flashable or does it still look like an impossibility? if it is flashable, then how long do you think it would it take for the method to be accessible to the rest of us who just follow instructions.
It sounds like if you knew what to solder you could dump the key and the spoof data right now and replace the drive with a hacked drive (benq samsung, hitachi)
So all we need right now is a good tutorial/schematic and we could try to use the application.
It sounds like the guys know how to write to the lite on as well here is tyhe quote that confims this "write to any drive successful liteon included"
I am willing to bet everything we need might be here within a week now. Once these hack types figure something out they can't sleep till they unlock the whole thing.
Post by: Ranger72 on August 24, 2008, 12:15:00 PM
QUOTE(fadge @ Aug 24 2008, 07:07 PM)
DVD key grabber for Benq and Lite-on
It receives DVDkey from drive serial port and save to file, you need a LVTTL-RS232 converter (max3232) between COM1 (embedded COM1 on motherboard, 0x3F8 IRQ4) and TX RX pins on drive power cable (for liteon the trace to powercable are cut, need a little soldering).
It also saves identify.bin and inquiry.bin, for the spoof lovers.
This "unlocks" also Benq to accept MTK vendor ATA cmds (dosflash etc...), not for liteon
You must power on PC without sata cable connected to drive.
You must poweron the drive with tray half opened and eject switch in open state.
You must power off an on again the drive each time you run the app.
For rs232 troubleshuting, consider that Liteon by default outputs an endless stream of 0x00 and 0x01 at 115200 8N1, you should see it with Realterm with display set to hex
As always, us at your own risk
Thanks and respect to Tiros, Schtrom, TMF, Redline99, c4eva
Geremia
Program in the usual places...look for "DVDkey"
Wow this is good news. Got the program from the usual place.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160275055872&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=006 I guess that is what is needed in this case?
Now all I need is a LiteOn to test with. lol
Post by: warbeast on August 24, 2008, 01:32:00 PM
QUOTE(xeroer @ Aug 6 2008, 07:45 PM)
From the impression I got from some posts, yes, that is what I'm assuming.
What really is happening is my question.. This whole thing of the Lite-On not actually sending a unique key to the motherboard (thus, preventing us from snatching it) is the thing bugging me.
Can anyone clear this up?
Unrelated, I'm going to send one of my RROD consoles (ms25) off to Microsoft tomorrow.
The whole Lite-On hack possibility has given me enough reason to risk losing the ms25 for a refurb Lite On.
think of it as the drive holds the answer to a sum using the key and the motherboard checks that the answer is right so the key doesnt move to the motherboard as such
Post by: tester123 on August 24, 2008, 03:28:00 PM
Also, I think Xbox sales will go way up next month. A big price cut and a cracked lite-on. Good days.
Post by: MoorePower on August 24, 2008, 03:40:00 PM
The whole Lite-On hack possibility has given me enough reason to risk losing the ms25 for a refurb Lite On.
ya dont do it..... best case you might get an hitiachi or benq phill..... no referbs will have a lite-on just yet, then have to use up all the old stock first
Post by: WTFudge on August 24, 2008, 03:43:00 PM
QUOTE(MoorePower @ Aug 24 2008, 11:16 PM)
no referbs will have a lite-on just yet, then have to use up all the old stock first
What the hell are you talking about? Look at the beginning of the thread?
They ARE coming from MS. There is NO old stock. All drives WILL be Lite-on from now on, with the exception of a few Benq's
Post by: s0nlxaftrsh0ck on August 24, 2008, 03:52:00 PM
This sounds very tough to do if you've never soldered before.. Still i would like to see a tutorial of this. Im quite intruiged...
btw
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Aug 24 2008, 01:49 PM)
i just went through the whole 913 posts and removed any posts that were unnecessary or repeated.
please, only post if you think you need to. useless posts clog up the thread and make it hard for people to get valuable information out of it
serious good job on that one manj. That must of took you quite sometime to wade through =/. From 55 pages down to 11 damned bang up job.
Post by: Ranger72 on August 24, 2008, 04:00:00 PM
QUOTE(s0nlxaftrsh0ck @ Aug 24 2008, 11:28 PM)
What the shtiiiiiiiiiiiiick hum. So it requires some soldering..but to where though? And DVD drive half open? Do i power it off before it can fully push out the tray?
This sounds very tough to do if you've never soldered before.. Still i would like to see a tutorial of this. Im quite intruiged...
btw
serious good job on that one manj. That must of took you quite sometime to wade through =/. From 55 pages down to 11 damned bang up job.
Anyway of reading the key is better than no way of reading the key.
When the BenQ first started to be hacked it started with soldering a switch to the circuit board. A little soldering never hurt anyone. lol
Post by: warbeast on August 24, 2008, 06:06:00 PM
Post by: thestanleycup on August 24, 2008, 06:17:00 PM
Post by: s0nlxaftrsh0ck on August 24, 2008, 07:34:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Aug 24 2008, 06:36 PM)
Anyway of reading the key is better than no way of reading the key.
When the BenQ first started to be hacked it started with soldering a switch to the circuit board. A little soldering never hurt anyone. lol
Lmfao true enough. Not anyone...but something.
QUOTE(warbeast @ Aug 24 2008, 08:42 PM)
incase anyone is having trouble finding the got these from a search
(IMG:http://www.freepler.de/userdaten/38928917/bilder/forum/max3232.jpg)
(IMG:http://www.freepler.de/userdaten/38928917/bilder/forum/dg-16d2s_uart.jpg)
Damned nice find. Congrats to the team that's worked on this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif).
It seems kinda simple...::rubs chin:: I wouldn't mind taking a tackle on this at all. Given i had the required materials. If there was only some way to practice on this.
Post by: fitsman on August 24, 2008, 07:24:00 PM
Is there any change to make flash procedure of the liteon drive only with softmod like it did to benq after months of hardmod flashing.
A lot of thanks.
Post by: MoorePower on August 24, 2008, 10:32:00 PM
they got the lite-on to fully dump and they are working on the flash for it.
Post by: fitsman on August 25, 2008, 02:24:00 AM
Just softmod...
Post by: spacedmonkeys on August 25, 2008, 03:13:00 AM
QUOTE(fitsman @ Aug 25 2008, 10:00 AM)
When i talled with softmod i mean without any soldering just with programms like all other drives(included the hitachi f79 now) we can do.
Just softmod...
Yes, of course, there is a simple softmod solution that needs no effort and no learning and no reading of threads, you just get given a little software tool on a silver spoon, swallow it down and your lite-on is hacked. It was released months ago. Simple. Which is why there is a completely pointless 12 page thread discussing progress of a hack for this drive and the soldering and key dump tool is all just pointless effort because of the existing simple softmod solution that you ask for. And yes, I'm being sarcastic.
MAKE THE EFFORT AND READ THE POSTS. THERE IS NO SOFTMOD. THE LASTEST DEVELOPMENT IS THE SOLDERING AND KEYDUMP TOOL. FFS. IM ANGRY THIS MORNING AND SICK OF CHECKING FOR LATEST NEWS AND SEEING POSTS LIKE YOURS.
Post by: WhiteMule on August 25, 2008, 03:33:00 AM
Post by: MickRick on August 25, 2008, 05:53:00 AM
QUOTE(MoorePower @ Aug 25 2008, 06:08 AM)
ya there is......
they got the lite-on to fully dump and they are working on the flash for it.
So how are we gonna flash something that is reported as being unflashable?
Good news. Geremia has released a tool that can read the firmware key from LiteOn drives.
This will allow you to grab the key and then insert it into another drive, giving Lite-On owners a way of hacking the system.
The Lite-On drive does NOT have a writable ROM therefore the drives themselves are not hackable.
Geremia's Lite-On drive toolkit is avalible in the usual places.
This post has been edited by MickRick: Aug 25 2008, 12:54 PM
Post by: sandmanza on August 25, 2008, 05:59:00 AM
Second of all, as MickRick stated, the Lite-On drive cannot be flashed, live with it.
While the lite-on owners wait for firmware spoofing to also be available suggestion to get the parts and brush up on your soldering skills.
Why do I get the feeling the benq drives you can get on e-bay are going to seriously increase in price now...
This post has been edited by sandmanza: Aug 25 2008, 01:03 PM
Post by: nelex on August 25, 2008, 08:15:00 AM
I think that we can write to Lite-on ,can we?
This post has been edited by nelex: Aug 25 2008, 03:20 PM
Post by: CeNTauR2 on August 25, 2008, 07:49:00 AM
QUOTE
<+c4eva> dvdkey extraction successful on liteon, key update/write to any drive successful(liteon included), work continues to dump/write fw
That's how I understood that part too. So writing should be possible.
Post by: m3kal on August 25, 2008, 08:23:00 AM
Post by: newt420 on August 25, 2008, 08:30:00 AM
Post by: Wilhelm_I on August 25, 2008, 09:15:00 AM
QUOTE(CeNTauR2 @ Aug 25 2008, 04:25 PM)
That's how I understood that part too. So writing should be possible.
yes it is this was found out months ago because some idiot flashed BenQ firmware with a blank dvd-key to his Lite On.
He said it would play DVDs and Music just fine so if this was not a bad joke you can just get the key, embed it in the BenQ firmware and flash it to the drive...
Wait for someone to confirm this though before you fuck your drive up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: reflector on August 25, 2008, 09:23:00 AM
QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Aug 25 2008, 04:15 PM)
yes it is this was found out months ago because some idiot flashed BenQ firmware with a blank dvd-key to his Lite On.
He said it would play DVDs and Music just fine so if this was not a bad joke you can just get the key, embed it in the BenQ firmware and flash it to the drive...
Wait for someone to confirm this though before you fuck your drive up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
I hope that embedding the key into the benq firmware will work, no need to wait for a new firmware at all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) and soon enough I can hide my originals of my stupid little brother who ruins them every play...
Post by: moreniu on August 25, 2008, 09:31:00 AM
QUOTE(reflector @ Aug 25 2008, 04:23 PM)
I hope that embedding the key into the benq firmware will work, no need to wait for a new firmware at all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) and soon enough I can hide my originals of my stupid little brother who ruins them every play...
Alright... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
But great progress going on here, gonna have to find out what adapter to order.
Post by: CeNTauR2 on August 25, 2008, 09:11:00 AM
beginning to buy remaining stock of these.
Post by: O_oTheGameo_O on August 25, 2008, 11:35:00 AM
QUOTE(tester123 @ Aug 25 2008, 12:04 AM)
For all of those who said it was impossible .
(IMG:http://www.saltboxmercantile.com/images/Primitive%20Trader%202/Faux-Crow-Pie.jpg)
Also, I think Xbox sales will go way up next month. A big price cut and a cracked lite-on. Good days.
uhhhh its not hacked (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleeping.gif)
You can only read the firmware and than spoof some other drive.
but still dope shit from zeh hax0rz
Post by: tester123 on August 25, 2008, 11:45:00 AM
QUOTE(O_oTheGameo_O @ Aug 25 2008, 12:35 PM)
uhhhh its not hacked (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleeping.gif)
You can only read the firmware and than spoof some other drive.
but still dope shit from zeh hax0rz
It is cracked, BE PATIENT. Or you too will be eating some of that pie.
Post by: scuba156 on August 25, 2008, 02:59:00 PM
QUOTE(O_oTheGameo_O @ Aug 26 2008, 03:35 AM)
uhhhh its not hacked (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleeping.gif)
You can only read the firmware and than spoof some other drive.
but still dope shit from zeh hax0rz
not even that, all thats readable is the DVD key and spoof string
Post by: Xtreme69 on February 02, 2020, 04:00:00 PM
QUOTE(scuba156 @ Aug 25 2008, 03:59 PM)
not even that, all thats readable is the DVD key and spoof string
But thats the whole point right, considering so many people were so adamant that there was NO WAY to even get that much of a dump.
Post by: ILikeMeat on August 25, 2008, 07:56:00 PM
I am confident that the FW will be dumped out and be able to be hacked. It will take some time, be harder than the 79 passkey, but will happen.
Maybe, we might even have to desolder the MTK chip and put a different one on there. (one with pinouts for external flash?) Now that would be insane. I could never do that, Well maybe...would take me forever...anyway...I think this thing will be hacked.
Post by: syztemlord on August 26, 2008, 09:54:00 AM
Post by: kurrrrt on August 27, 2008, 07:56:00 AM
I knew the hackers would find away to read the drive. Hopefully soon being able to write onto it.
Good work guys.
Post by: BILKO1 on August 27, 2008, 10:49:00 AM
Post by: Azadar on February 03, 2020, 10:00:00 AM
Sounds like this is going to become a task for the upper echelon people now? I mean i wish there was a way to just brute force the damn thing and just forget about being being banned etc..
Am I write in thinking that that the new 360's are going to require alot more steps and adding additional hardware to get to where the old 360's are already at!?
Post by: Ranger72 on February 03, 2020, 10:45:00 AM
QUOTE(Azadar @ Aug 27 2008, 06:00 PM)
Correct me if im wrong, but it seems that they have found a way to read the firmware of the Lite-on. I get this part but we are going to be unable to flash the drives firmware like current 360's? So the only answer right now is to physically buy and replace the 360's current DVD drive with a new one and than flash that drive to think it's the old one!?
Sounds like this is going to become a task for the upper echelon people now? I mean i wish there was a way to just brute force the damn thing and just forget about being being banned etc..
Am I write in thinking that that the new 360's are going to require alot more steps and adding additional hardware to get to where the old 360's are already at!?
That pretty much sums it up.
Post by: lenselijertje on August 27, 2008, 02:04:00 PM
Post by: xboxmoddude on August 29, 2008, 09:43:00 AM
Not Translated
http://www.turboupload.com/download/G03sXE...SpoofLiteOn.pdf
Post by: liadx on August 30, 2008, 06:42:00 AM
can it read burned games?
sorry about my noobism i just don't want to hurt my xbox...
Post by: Antman1 on August 30, 2008, 07:08:00 AM
QUOTE(liadx @ Aug 30 2008, 07:42 AM)
so is there a proof it works?
can it read burned games?
sorry about my noobism i just don't want to hurt my xbox...
This does not hack the drive, This will allow you to read the key from the drive and the spoof data so you can inject that info into any other drive that can be hacked and it will play your backups then. And yes in the tutorial it shows dvdkey in action and shows it extract a key and spoof data. Many have extracted there keys now. All those that have worked on this are EXTREMELY smart and BRILLIANT!
Post by: soulbwoy on August 30, 2008, 05:26:00 PM
Post by: hardie on August 30, 2008, 06:13:00 PM
Cheers if anyone can help
Post by: hardie on August 30, 2008, 07:08:00 PM
QUOTE(hardie @ Aug 31 2008, 09:43 AM)
Now I have read all posts and looked at all pictures I have everthing I need to read the liteon drive (yes i got a RS232 TTL Convertor Kit) Can anyone explain possibly with a drawing on how many wires I need to solder on the Kit I know there are 4 solder points on the drive does this mean you solder the same points on the chip The drawing on the post shows the drive solder points but to the DB9 only three coming out
Cheers if anyone can help
Post by: theurn15 on February 03, 2020, 01:33:00 AM
http://sydney.gumtree.com.au/c-Business-Se...QQAdIdZ70689831
Post by: logicwatch on February 03, 2020, 03:50:00 AM
QUOTE(theurn15 @ Aug 31 2008, 09:33 AM)
please check this link they claim they can mod the liteon drive
http://sydney.gumtree.com.au/c-Business-Se...QQAdIdZ70689831
also states they mod ps3 ?????????????
news to me !!
unless they know something we all dont? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Post by: Antman1 on February 03, 2020, 05:40:00 AM
QUOTE(theurn15 @ Aug 31 2008, 03:33 AM)
please check this link they claim they can mod the liteon drive
http://sydney.gumtree.com.au/c-Business-Se...QQAdIdZ70689831
Why does that look like someone threw it together while they were writing an email out? Looks all fake to me. You prolly send them your console and some cash and they keep it. If the Lite-On Drive was hacked then it would be news all over the place! Front page news here. Also the PS3 is not hacked that would be Major news. There cant be any new firmware if we cant write to the drive or dump the whole firmware.
I had a customer tell me the other day that a guy in Ohio offerers a 360 chip that would allow him to play Blu-Ray and all regions of games on his 360. There are some real weirdos out their!
Post by: dazv6 on February 03, 2020, 11:30:00 AM
Dude you gotta get me one of those chips so i can play my ps3 games on my 360...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
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Post by: -Big-Daddy- on February 03, 2020, 11:37:00 AM
QUOTE(theurn15 @ Aug 31 2008, 09:33 AM)
please check this link they claim they can mod the liteon drive
http://sydney.gumtree.com.au/c-Business-Se...QQAdIdZ70689831
Even sell pirate games at scandalous prices.
Post by: theurn15 on September 01, 2008, 01:07:00 AM
We take the liteon drive to a park in Sydney and using the trench coat method we flash it..
multiple times.. until it also turns into a flasher.. then your drive is flashed..
If you are a serious customer then send us your drives/consoles and sorry for taking the piss.. If
you happen to be a competitor then sorry I am not giving you any free xbox 360 tutorial...
Regards
Modz4gamers
Post by: theurn15 on February 04, 2020, 01:23:00 AM
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Post by: ILikeMeat on February 04, 2020, 07:45:00 AM
QUOTE(theurn15 @ Sep 1 2008, 03:43 AM)
for whom may concern I've emailed them and here is their answer:
We take the liteon drive to a park in Sydney and using the trench coat method we flash it..
multiple times.. until it also turns into a flasher.. then your drive is flashed..
If you are a serious customer then send us your drives/consoles and sorry for taking the piss.. If
you happen to be a competitor then sorry I am not giving you any free xbox 360 tutorial...
Regards
Modz4gamers
There is no way in hell that is what they said.
Post by: hardie on September 01, 2008, 11:34:00 PM
Hello
The xbox 360 with a liteon drive can be modded to play backups.. if the liteone is the new one
that everyone is saying cannot be modded.. these will cost $160 to mod to play backups.
Regarding the PS3 these can be modded to play PS2 backups only and other ps2 homebrew
software and this does not include the 40Gb PS3..
Regards
Modz4gamers
Post by: theurn15 on February 03, 2020, 11:53:00 PM
QUOTE(ILikeMeat @ Sep 1 2008, 03:45 PM)
There is no way in hell that is what they said.
body this what they said its not impossible to answer this way.
well this is another answer from them
Hi
Ok well if you have this model liteon drive:DG-16D2S FW:74850C
Then the price is $160 and we need the whole console.
If there are any liteones that are different model numbers then they will be cheaper.
But if you are 100% sure that all the drives are these DG-16D2S FW:74850C then the price is
$160 per console..
Regards
Modz4gamers
Post by: Bazdoctor on September 02, 2008, 08:41:00 AM
Post by: legssmit on September 02, 2008, 10:10:00 AM
Post by: Hercules Man on September 02, 2008, 07:20:00 PM
H MAn
Post by: nofx_sk8 on September 04, 2008, 03:09:00 AM
Thank you in advance
Post by: warnos16v on September 05, 2008, 11:05:00 PM
As my sister just got her xbox 360 back with a liteon drive and the bloody thing works it is playing backups.. the console still has a liteon drive in it from what I can tell.. I don't know if modz4gamers have changed the inside of the drive or used chips or anything like modifying the dvd motherboard.. but I am going to take it appart and see. Will post some pics.
I was talking to the receptionist or someone who answered the phone and the engineer is from Foxcomm... is that the company that make xbox's???
Anyone else have any ideas on how this is done.... as I have a console back and I would like to do some checking on how they modded the drive.....
Cheers
Post by: Wilhelm_I on September 06, 2008, 05:27:00 AM
QUOTE(warnos16v @ Sep 6 2008, 07:41 AM)
What ever that Trenchcoat method is I wanna learn it..
As my sister just got her xbox 360 back with a liteon drive and the bloody thing works it is playing backups.. the console still has a liteon drive in it from what I can tell.. I don't know if modz4gamers have changed the inside of the drive or used chips or anything like modifying the dvd motherboard.. but I am going to take it appart and see. Will post some pics.
I was talking to the receptionist or someone who answered the phone and the engineer is from Foxcomm... is that the company that make xbox's???
Anyone else have any ideas on how this is done.... as I have a console back and I would like to do some checking on how they modded the drive.....
Cheers
I would say open up the drive and check out what the interior looks like, maybe they just swapped the Lite On's case or so...
Take pictures of the PCB etc..
Post by: theurn15 on September 07, 2008, 12:53:00 AM
that will do the job :
"NME 2.0 is Updateable for insertion of modified operating Bios to allow further functionality and compatibility-
Liteon Firmware being tested thoughtfully - New NME Chip and or firmwares avail soon."
Link:www.modchip-wizard.com
Post by: soulbwoy on September 07, 2008, 11:36:00 PM
QUOTE(theurn15 @ Sep 7 2008, 06:53 AM)
Well please check it , however I've got this new information about coming update to nme v2 modchip
that will do the job :
"NME 2.0 is Updateable for insertion of modified operating Bios to allow further functionality and compatibility-
Liteon Firmware being tested thoughtfully - New NME Chip and or firmwares avail soon."
Link:www.modchip-wizard.com
sweet! i find installing modchips easier than firmware flashing. my first nme installation was so easy
Post by: fuckdead on September 08, 2008, 04:48:00 PM
Post by: Bazdoctor on September 09, 2008, 10:23:00 PM
http://www.maximusgames.net/osc/catalog/index.php
"360 Xtractor Tool for dumping Liteon Keys will be available on Sept 29"
Judging by the video this looks like its makes it 100 times easier.
This post has been edited by Bazdoctor: Sep 10 2008, 05:25 AM
Post by: trick91 on September 09, 2008, 10:42:00 PM
QUOTE(Bazdoctor @ Sep 10 2008, 05:23 AM)
Check this out. Looks like maximus is up to his old tricks of building modchips.
http://www.maximusgames.net/osc/catalog/index.php
"360 Xtractor Tool for dumping Liteon Keys will be available on Sept 29"
Judging by the video this looks like its makes it 100 times easier.
http://www.maximusgames.net/osc/catalog/pr...8a67899889ad266
480bucks!!??? thats gotta be a typo or the biggest ripoff ever
Post by: theurn15 on February 03, 2020, 12:04:00 AM
cheaper so this is not a good solution body , however check this url out :
http://vancitychipping.co.nr/ I think that some one (a company or
people) found the right answer to liteon they could be this people or else
Post by: podger on September 10, 2008, 05:43:00 AM
QUOTE(trick91 @ Sep 10 2008, 04:42 AM)
http://www.maximusgames.net/osc/catalog/pr...8a67899889ad266
480bucks!!??? thats gotta be a typo or the biggest ripoff ever
Yeah! and they're still selling passkey for $300
Passkey
FFS...
Post by: BoNg420 on September 10, 2008, 06:59:00 AM
QUOTE(trick91 @ Sep 10 2008, 12:42 AM)
http://www.maximusgames.net/osc/catalog/pr...8a67899889ad266
480bucks!!??? thats gotta be a typo or the biggest ripoff ever
QUOTE(podger @ Sep 10 2008, 07:43 AM)
LOL you guys are dumb, he supposedly lives in Mexico.
Anyways the prices are in pesos. Still expensive compared to what you can make your own for, like 10x more expensive... He probably needs to make up for his passkey losses.
480.00 MXN = 45.5633 USD
Mexico Pesos United States Dollars
1 MXN = 0.0949235 USD 1 USD = 10.5348 MXN
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Post by: trick91 on September 10, 2008, 08:43:00 AM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Sep 10 2008, 01:59 PM)
LOL you guys are dumb, he supposedly lives in Mexico.
Anyways the prices are in pesos. Still expensive compared to what you can make your own for, like 10x more expensive... He probably needs to make up for his passkey losses.
480.00 MXN = 45.5633 USD
Mexico Pesos United States Dollars
1 MXN = 0.0949235 USD 1 USD = 10.5348 MXN
haha my bad, i knew something had to be up. but 45 isnt bad, alot of people will buy those up
Post by: Bazdoctor on September 10, 2008, 10:00:00 AM
Post by: gazza66 on February 03, 2020, 09:37:00 AM
Had my Xbox back from Germany today They replaced my motherboard but I still kept my DVD ROM DRIVE
and I can still play my copied games (lucky me)
Post by: fuckdead on September 10, 2008, 11:54:00 AM
http://www.maximusgames.net/360xtractor.php?opt=3
Noobs (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
QUOTE
Guys this tool is too expensive for casual xbox 360 user , plus the rs 232 is much
cheaper so this is not a good solution body , however check this url out :
http://vancitychipping.co.nr/ I think that some one (a company or
people) found the right answer to liteon they could be this people or else
cheaper so this is not a good solution body , however check this url out :
http://vancitychipping.co.nr/ I think that some one (a company or
people) found the right answer to liteon they could be this people or else
Ixtreme Firmware Flash for Liteon Drive - $80
40$ the dump + 40$ new drive ????
Interesting...
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Post by: Lithiuz on February 03, 2020, 01:16:00 PM
QUOTE(gazza66 @ Sep 10 2008, 06:37 PM)
Hi
Had my Xbox back from Germany today They replaced my motherboard but I still kept my DVD ROM DRIVE
and I can still play my copied games (lucky me)
Mine is in Germany right now for repair - i hope they do the same thing with mine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) - what drive do you have? (and what xbox?) - mine is an Elite from sep-07 with benq-drive
Post by: signum on February 03, 2020, 03:55:00 PM
UPS say they will delivery it on Friday.
I don't think they repaired my console since i got a different serial coming back.
I really hope its either my old drive (Samsung MS28) or they replaced it with a BenQ and not a Lite-On.
Post by: Lithiuz on February 03, 2020, 04:11:00 PM
QUOTE(signum @ Sep 11 2008, 12:55 AM)
I have mine waiting to come back from Germany as we speak.
UPS say they will delivery it on Friday.
I don't think they repaired my console since i got a different serial coming back.
I really hope its either my old drive (Samsung MS28) or they replaced it with a BenQ and not a Lite-On.
Where can you see the new serial number? And do UPS send you a mail with tracking number?
Post by: signum on February 03, 2020, 04:29:00 PM
QUOTE(Lithiuz @ Sep 11 2008, 12:11 AM)
Where can you see the new serial number? And do UPS send you a mail with tracking number?
The original console i sent in was tied to my xbox.com login and the serial number has changed, thats how i know. It's a 638 model and the one before was a 641. The mobo should be new though, i am hoping it is the Opus version (65nm CPU) and please please please be a BenQ or a samsung.
I got a tracking number from xbox.com themselves with a email confirming that it is on it's way back to me and should be here Friday according to the UPS site.
This post has been edited by signum: Today, 12:31 AM
Post by: Lithiuz on February 03, 2020, 05:39:00 PM
QUOTE(signum @ Sep 11 2008, 01:29 AM)
The original console i sent in was tied to my xbox.com login and the serial number has changed, thats how i know. It's a 638 model and the one before was a 641. The mobo should be new though, i am hoping it is the Opus version (65nm CPU) and please please please be a BenQ or a samsung.
I got a tracking number from xbox.com themselves with a email confirming that it is on it's way back to me and should be here Friday according to the UPS site.
Right - i found it - thank you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: DOGZ BOLLAX on September 12, 2008, 07:25:00 AM
I got one of this drives 2 weeks ago 4 my PC. DH-16D2S Is there anything i can do I have not read all replies ekk.. I have Flashed the drive 2 Incres read speed.Regards
DOGZ
Post by: Antman1 on September 12, 2008, 08:11:00 AM
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Post by: fitsman on September 12, 2008, 11:12:00 AM
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Post by: Ansari on September 13, 2008, 11:28:00 AM
PS: watching my xbox 360 packed in the cupboard is a sight of torture.
Post by: Fantasy Star on September 13, 2008, 11:51:00 AM
Post by: calloused labia on September 13, 2008, 12:53:00 PM
QUOTE(fitsman @ Sep 12 2008, 01:12 PM)
I hope someone find out one easiest way to take the key from liteon without any soldering or any other product except pci via sata card.
You don't have to solder...
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=660963
It requires a spare XBOX or XBXO 360 power cable, (you can buy them for as little as 50 cents). The serial port device.($16 or less pre assembled with wire leads), tiny copper wire, and tape.
$16.50 isn't a bad price to pay for dumping a liteon keys (without fear or ruining it with poor soldering skills) .
Post by: XmodsUK on September 13, 2008, 01:16:00 PM
Post by: calloused labia on September 13, 2008, 02:10:00 PM
QUOTE(XmodsUK @ Sep 13 2008, 03:52 PM)
You don't "have" to solder...but using sticky tape to hold electrical joints is going to lead to a lot more posts...
Would those posts be any worse than the thousands of "Can I flash my drive with a USB to SATA adapter ?" Or "How do I know if I got a Lite on?" posts?
You don't have to use sticky tape. That is just one of the solder-less bridge options proven successful.
Most people are afraid to solder because of the potential damage they can do and/or they don't have the tools.
Anybody who does not want anything to do with soldering and has patience, common sense, and some level of reading comprehension will be able to dump the key using the solder-less method without risk of burning something.
Post by: Ranger72 on September 13, 2008, 02:37:00 PM
Be happy with the fact hat now something can be done where as before you would have been screwed no matter how good you can solder or not.
Post by: calloused labia on September 13, 2008, 03:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Sep 13 2008, 05:13 PM)
People complaining about having to solder to get the keys to replace this drive should think that at least this is a solution. This is better than having no option at all with this drive.
Be happy with the fact hat now something can be done where as before you would have been screwed no matter how good you can solder or not.
Be happy with the fact hat now something can be done where as before you would have been screwed no matter how good you can solder or not.
+1
Post by: O_oTheGameo_O on September 13, 2008, 09:12:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Sep 13 2008, 11:13 PM)
People complaining about having to solder to get the keys to replace this drive should think that at least this is a solution. This is better than having no option at all with this drive.
Be happy with the fact hat now something can be done where as before you would have been screwed no matter how good you can solder or not.
There are some (lets say 50%) people on these boards that are GREEDY AS HELL.
They go bananas if they have to spend few $$$
Most of them think you buy the arcade and get free games,hdd,headset and all....
I would love to see there face when they see the price tags of the extra things (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: kmfdm515 on September 15, 2008, 08:31:00 AM
are these new drives now showing up in NEW 360s purchased in the US?
thanks
Post by: Drjones on September 15, 2008, 09:58:00 AM
Manufactured may 2008 and it has the new liteon.
Is it safe to say that even if you do extract the key out the new liteon and try to spoof it to a hitachi it's not "that" safe of xbl. Something about the way it reads SS.
Post by: towerblocks on September 15, 2008, 10:23:00 AM
Got a drive as gift for testing (thanks Raiden)
Some small update:
it's an embedded spi flash, exactly an MX25L2005 and dosflash1.6 can write it.
The bad is that you can access it only if it's completely erased, this seems to be the "check module" mentioned into the patent
About reading the fw, i can just get 3-4 256bytes chunks in a tricky way, but can't have a complete dump this way.
reading dvdkey: ok
reading unique drive data: ok
erasing flash: ok
writing flash: ok
reading flash: missing
Post by: Refferehtom on September 16, 2008, 12:52:00 AM
QUOTE(towerblocks @ Sep 15 2008, 12:59 PM)
Some news from Geremia over at XBOXHacker.
Got a drive as gift for testing (thanks Raiden)
Some small update:
it's an embedded spi flash, exactly an MX25L2005 and dosflash1.6 can write it.
The bad is that you can access it only if it's completely erased, this seems to be the "check module" mentioned into the patent
About reading the fw, i can just get 3-4 256bytes chunks in a tricky way, but can't have a complete dump this way.
reading dvdkey: ok
reading unique drive data: ok
erasing flash: ok
writing flash: ok
reading flash: missing
Nice, it's only a matter of time!!!
Keep up the good work!
Post by: theurn15 on September 16, 2008, 01:15:00 AM
QUOTE(Refferehtom @ Sep 16 2008, 07:52 AM)
Nice, it's only a matter of time!!!
Keep up the good work!
wait a minute man !
does this mean that the liteon is flashable ( they managed to write to the liteon so called masked rom)
or its just a rumor????????!!!!!!!
Post by: podger on September 16, 2008, 06:10:00 AM
You still need something to flash it with:
Getting a dump is the hard bit...
firstly to get the key but also as a codebase for iXtreme
thankfully the key is available for now, so you can spoof, but without a dump there is not much future for Lite-On, those Benq's from HK won't last forever....
Post by: theurn15 on September 16, 2008, 06:24:00 AM
QUOTE(podger @ Sep 16 2008, 01:10 PM)
Yes you can flash it. But that was never really going to be the hard bit as the Patent always said it would flash if the Spi was erased...
You still need something to flash it with:
Getting a dump is the hard bit...
firstly to get the key but also as a codebase for iXtreme
thankfully the key is available for now, so you can spoof, but without a dump there is not much future for Lite-On, those Benq's from HK won't last forever....
but guys the only problem now is dumping a full flash to write it to the spi flash , 3 weeks ago the problem hackers were unable to read any thing from the drive and it supposed to be un-flashable because its amasked bios
This post has been edited by theurn15: Sep 16 2008, 01:24 PM
Post by: chris67rs on September 16, 2008, 07:22:00 AM
This post has been edited by chris67rs: Sep 16 2008, 02:40 PM
Post by: Ansari on September 16, 2008, 11:39:00 AM
Post by: dragon45801 on September 16, 2008, 07:50:00 PM
Post by: ghost_recon88 on February 03, 2020, 08:52:00 PM
QUOTE(dragon45801 @ Sep 16 2008, 09:50 PM)
i have a 360 coming back from microsoft soon and i want to learn how to dump the key and spoof a benq. i have read the tutorial but there are a few points im not sure about. is anyone who has dumped the liteon interested in helping me a bit through pms or aim? thanks
See here for how to retrieve your Lite-On key.
Post by: dragon45801 on September 16, 2008, 10:36:00 PM
QUOTE(ghost_recon88 @ Sep 16 2008, 11:52 PM)
yes i have that program, thanks. here is where im confused, i can flash all other dives but im still a bit of a noob with terminology. devils360's guide is great but im not sure how to boot into dos using dvdkey 16bit. can i just open a dos command window like when doing a hitachi? or do i put dvdkey on a usb flashdrive and boot from it? other thing i dont understand is how exactly to figure the address for the sata port i choose to use. the guide says to run dosflash in auto mode to determine this but ive always used iprep for benq so im not familliar with dosflash. any help is greatly appreciated. also thanks to everyones hard work and time in keeping the scene alive
Post by: theurn15 on September 17, 2008, 12:52:00 AM
QUOTE(Ansari @ Sep 16 2008, 06:39 PM)
The lite-on hack won't be as easy as it was with the previous BenQ drives.
my friend I heared many comments from people who call them selves experts saying that the liteon
uses a masked ROM so it's impossible to write any thing to the ROM and the only possible solution is to use
a modchip or swap drives but now after what geremia has found it's possible to write to the spi flash and erase it the only problem now is getting a full dump of the flash so guys wait for it because it's much better
than swapping drive and the long awaiting modchip solution.
and remember guys Not everybody has to do a full FW dump, all it takes is one person to do it, by any tedious and time consuming method possible.
This post has been edited by theurn15: Sep 17 2008, 08:11 AM
Post by: 360repair on September 17, 2008, 09:29:00 AM
QUOTE(theurn15 @ Sep 17 2008, 07:52 AM)
my friend I heared many comments from people who call them selves experts saying that the liteon
uses a masked ROM so it's impossible to write any thing to the ROM and the only possible solution is to use
a modchip or swap drives but now after what geremia has found it's possible to write to the spi flash and erase it the only problem now is getting a full dump of the flash so guys wait for it because it's much better
than swapping drive and the long awaiting modchip solution.
and remember guys Not everybody has to do a full FW dump, all it takes is one person to do it, by any tedious and time consuming method possible.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) you bring me hope my friend, things are starting to go forward now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Post by: Bazdoctor on September 17, 2008, 10:43:00 AM
QUOTE(theurn15 @ Sep 17 2008, 04:52 PM)
my friend I heared many comments from people who call them selves experts saying that the liteon
uses a masked ROM so it's impossible to write any thing to the ROM and the only possible solution is to use
a modchip or swap drives but now after what geremia has found it's possible to write to the spi flash and erase it the only problem now is getting a full dump of the flash so guys wait for it because it's much better
than swapping drive and the long awaiting modchip solution.
and remember guys Not everybody has to do a full FW dump, all it takes is one person to do it, by any tedious and time consuming method possible.
Hmm, I dont think many ppl have read the new rules about this topic. Yes i realize i have broken them by posting this and please fell free to delete this along with the many others. Also whats with the red? Are you enraged about something?
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Post by: theurn15 on September 18, 2008, 12:45:00 AM
QUOTE(Bazdoctor @ Sep 17 2008, 05:43 PM)
Hmm, I dont think many ppl have read the new rules about this topic. Yes i realize i have broken them by posting this and please fell free to delete this along with the many others. Also whats with the red? Are you enraged about something?
body I didn't read all of the rules but what I'm saying is not a secret that threats the national security
and don't be panic the red is not for communism it's crystal clear that it's only for emphesize
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: 360repair on September 18, 2008, 12:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Bazdoctor @ Sep 17 2008, 05:43 PM)
Hmm, I dont think many ppl have read the new rules about this topic. Yes i realize i have broken them by posting this and please fell free to delete this along with the many others. Also whats with the red? Are you enraged about something?
whats so bad about him telling us that the lite on mite be flashable????
is it supposed to be a secret or somthing that the hackers are getting somewhere now????
what are you on about? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Post by: Bazdoctor on September 18, 2008, 10:26:00 PM
QUOTE(theurn15 @ Sep 18 2008, 04:45 PM)
body I didn't read all of the rules but what I'm saying is not a secret that threats the national security
and don't be panic the red is not for communism it's crystal clear that it's only for emphesize
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Yer no shit buddy, its not a threat to national security, point out to me where i have written that and I might see your point of view. However there are 100's of pages full of comments from people who know nothing about firmware hacks and are just interested in progress for piracy reasons saying stuff like "all we need to do is dump the firmware, surely somebody here is smart enough to do it" or "Flash it with benq firmware, there the same thing, we can dump the key, the firmware should be easy now", "I thought you guys were smart, why isn't it hacked yet". Frankly its amazing that they have gotten as far as they have. But you wouldn't know that now would you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
The reason the rules were placed here was because this thread use to be 40 + pages of people saying that kind of crap over and over again. And now it seems to be slowly starting again, thats why i made the comment. This is a technical thread, meaning unless you have a new insight/method you dont post anything. If you dont believe watch as this along with alot of other comments get deleted by the moderators in the upcoming days. So how about next time you make a smartass comment, you 1.) Know what your talking about and 2.) construct your insults in a more readable way.
QUOTE(360repair @ Sep 19 2008, 04:27 AM)
whats so bad about him telling us that the lite on mite be flashable????
is it supposed to be a secret or somthing that the hackers are getting somewhere now????
what are you on about? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Because if you opened your eyes and had a look around this stie, you would see there are too many posts about this crap. Again dont be a smartass unless you understand/know what you are on about.
QUOTE(360repair @ Sep 19 2008, 04:27 AM)
Funny, could have said the same about you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
This post has been edited by Bazdoctor: Sep 19 2008, 05:37 AM
Post by: 360repair on September 19, 2008, 12:07:00 PM
QUOTE(Bazdoctor @ Sep 19 2008, 05:26 AM)
Because if you opened your eyes and had a look around this stie, you would see there are too many posts about this crap. Again dont be a smartass unless you understand/know what you are on about.
Funny, could have said the same about you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Ive opened my eyes now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) , so could you fill me in on what your talking about?
This post has been edited by 360repair: Sep 19 2008, 07:08 PM
Post by: theurn15 on September 21, 2008, 12:52:00 AM
look people didn't browse here just to hear a news about xbox 360 "technical information censorship" they came here because they are starving for information about the liteon drive so if they ban it here And its some thing that I doubt it
We'll simply look to another site so simply cut it or just send your suggestions and complains to the website administrator.
And by the way please don't use terms like:
Shit, smartass, crap because it has no technical benefits.
Post by: mull79204 on September 21, 2008, 11:27:00 AM
QUOTE(theurn15 @ Sep 21 2008, 07:52 AM)
MR Bazdoctor
look people didn't browse here just to hear a news about xbox 360 "technical information censorship" they came here because they are starving for information about the liteon drive so if they ban it here And its some thing that I doubt it
We'll simply look to another site so simply cut it or just send your suggestions and complains to the website administrator.
And by the way please don't use terms like:
Shit, smartass, crap because it has no technical benefits.
I've been keeping up with progress with the new phillips lite on mainly through this forum. It keeps up with updates as they appear.
There are PlenTy of threads, sites and tutorials out there for any other topics from taking apart to flashing custom firmware drives back to there original state.
How about people help out people aint that why these sites are here??
Yes this is a technical forum about the new phillips lite on but every1 starts somewhere right!?
Every1's frustrated with this drive and the progress but hey lets keep it fun and help out those who need it
Post by: conz13 on September 22, 2008, 02:07:00 AM
I'm stuck on what to do and i'm hoping if i can find some answers. I as i've done my research this drive is still on the works on getting it to dump and flash a new firmware.
I've also found that there are tutorials on getting the drive key and replacing the drive with an older flashable drive.
My question is how can replace my drive to a moddable one and where i can find the tutorials. Thank for the help
Post by: Arakon on September 22, 2008, 05:01:00 AM
Post by: Tjekov on September 26, 2008, 02:18:00 AM
Post by: X-hacker on September 26, 2008, 08:24:00 AM
Where are the Admins on this?
Post by: 360repair on September 26, 2008, 12:05:00 PM
QUOTE(X-hacker @ Sep 26 2008, 03:24 PM)
18 pages of what? TESTICLES!
lmao
Post by: dragon45801 on September 27, 2008, 12:23:00 AM
Post by: Ranger72 on September 27, 2008, 10:00:00 AM
QUOTE(dragon45801 @ Sep 27 2008, 07:23 AM)
can someone please lead me to anyone in the US who offers liteon key dumping?
There are a few me among them.
This is becoming a high demand service.
I have done 26 this week alone.
Post by: fitsman on September 27, 2008, 03:08:00 PM
This post has been edited by fitsman: Sep 27 2008, 10:15 PM
Post by: dragon45801 on September 27, 2008, 02:51:00 PM
Post by: OggyUK on September 27, 2008, 03:01:00 PM
Post by: dragon45801 on September 27, 2008, 03:51:00 PM
Post by: Ree1981 on September 27, 2008, 08:12:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Sep 27 2008, 06:00 PM)
There are a few me among them.
This is becoming a high demand service.
I have done 26 this week alone.
38 since last wednesday. 24 more booked, only 20 DVD's to go. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Edit: Wanna do an evil laugh with me? Muhahahaha!
This post has been edited by Ree1981: Sep 28 2008, 03:13 AM
Post by: dragon45801 on September 27, 2008, 10:22:00 PM
QUOTE(Ree1981 @ Sep 27 2008, 10:12 PM)
38 since last wednesday. 24 more booked, only 20 DVD's to go. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Edit: Wanna do an evil laugh with me? Muhahahaha!
ree please pm me with how much you charge. also can anyone recommend the best way for reconnecting the 2 resistor points? wire, resistor legs, solder? whats the best/easiest material to use
Post by: swampy1111 on September 27, 2008, 10:30:00 PM
QUOTE(dragon45801 @ Sep 27 2008, 11:27 PM)
at first i was getting the message ''problem with sata status'' in dvd key. i then realised i had forgotten to reconnect the 2 resistor points. i had trouble doing that and ended up lifting the pads. i got desperate and started scraping away the green material to find something to solder too. now the drive will not power on. if anyone thinks they can retrieve my key, pm me. i would post pics but my camera wont take a clear pic.
try scanning the board (if you got a scanner)
Post by: DocShay on September 28, 2008, 03:59:00 AM
QUOTE(dragon45801 @ Sep 27 2008, 11:22 PM)
ree please pm me with how much you charge. also can anyone recommend the best way for reconnecting the 2 resistor points? wire, resistor legs, solder? whats the best/easiest material to use
I havnt done this yet, as i'm waiting for my sata chipset and samsung/tosh drive but the way i'm going to try doing it is with wire. Get (2) medium length wire, strip both ends....make a pool of solder...heat up wire end 1...dip it in pool..keep heating...place on pad 1...repeat.
Post by: Gaffy on September 29, 2008, 04:48:00 AM
Have an old and totally crashed 360 with a ms25 drive, just recently bought an xbox arcade to flash, so i would have something to play on a again - but alas: the curse of the Liote-on hit me.
So i'm planning on spoofing my old ms25 drive, but will it work, or do i need to get another drive?
Post by: dazv6 on September 29, 2008, 06:50:00 AM
QUOTE(Gaffy @ Sep 29 2008, 12:24 PM)
Are all old X360 drives usable as spoof drives?
Have an old and totally crashed 360 with a ms25 drive, just recently bought an xbox arcade to flash, so i would have something to play on a again - but alas: the curse of the Liote-on hit me.
So i'm planning on spoofing my old ms25 drive, but will it work, or do i need to get another drive?
Yes your ms25 would be perfect for spoofing your liteon drive, i've done 2 so far using sammy drives.
Post by: DvC9 on September 29, 2008, 02:49:00 PM
thank you all for nice reading the last 2 hours (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
i´ve learned a lot !
Post by: Gaffy on October 01, 2008, 10:32:00 AM
QUOTE(dazv6 @ Sep 29 2008, 02:50 PM)
Yes your ms25 would be perfect for spoofing your liteon drive, i've done 2 so far using sammy drives.
That's good to hear (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: donnytuco on October 03, 2008, 12:26:00 PM
If I give my xbox to a 'professional' to flash my liteon drive, is all they're doing is pretty much replacing the dvd drive ? (in a nutshell)
Post by: podger on October 03, 2008, 12:38:00 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on October 03, 2008, 01:06:00 PM
QUOTE(donnytuco @ Oct 3 2008, 07:26 PM)
hey guys, just have a quick question:
If I give my xbox to a 'professional' to flash my liteon drive, is all they're doing is pretty much replacing the dvd drive ? (in a nutshell)
Yes but there is a little more to just simply throwing in a new drive. You have to get the drive key and spoof data from the LiteOn drive to be able to flash a replacement drive.
Post by: dragon45801 on October 03, 2008, 02:56:00 PM
Post by: RamGuy on October 04, 2008, 04:18:00 AM
So it's not possible to flash it yet? And it will probably take quite a while?
Not to mention the process will be rather tricky ones it's figured out?
Should I just get myself a new Xbox360 Drive from Ebay or something and just replace the whole thing?
It's not any harder than just buying a all-ready Xbox360 drive of Ebay and stick the thing inside my Elite, flash it with iXtreme 1.4x and have fun?
Which drive would you recommend me to get? And from where?
I live in Norway so it's kinda important that whomever I'm ordering from is shipping to Norway!
Post by: Heartnet on October 04, 2008, 11:33:00 AM
Post by: mallegonian on February 02, 2020, 06:45:00 PM
Post by: Nexi on February 03, 2020, 02:36:00 AM
QUOTE(donnytuco @ Oct 3 2008, 01:26 PM)
hey guys, just have a quick question:
If I give my xbox to a 'professional' to flash my liteon drive, is all they're doing is pretty much replacing the dvd drive ? (in a nutshell)
That'll be the end result after we've done some soldering and then some key reading and then some flashing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Post by: jds1469 on February 03, 2020, 05:49:00 PM
Post by: BigSteel on February 03, 2020, 08:52:00 PM
QUOTE(jds1469 @ Oct 5 2008, 06:49 PM)
would it do any good to list serial numbers of systems known to contain this new PITA drive?
No, we are already know that pretty much any new xbox has the drive. Anything over Lot #817 is almost for sure a LiteOn.
Post by: theurn15 on October 06, 2008, 08:26:00 AM
it will be done!
...
<+c4eva> lite-on is no longer a question of if but when
<c4eva> the end is near for lite-on!
Guys we've been hearing statements like this for more than two months where is the incredible "c4eva" and what is he doing now, it seems that Microsoft ripped all the hackers including c4eva,geremia...etc like a bulldog
Post by: Reaper527 on October 06, 2008, 10:44:00 AM
QUOTE(theurn15 @ Oct 6 2008, 11:02 AM)
<c4eva> i have found some things that are not yet known about the lite-on,
it will be done!
...
<+c4eva> lite-on is no longer a question of if but when
<c4eva> the end is near for lite-on!
Guys we've been hearing statements like this for more than two months where is the incredible "c4eva" and what is he doing now, it seems that Microsoft ripped all the hackers including c4eva,geremia...etc like a bulldog
the problem is that we are only able to read certain portions of the firmware and not get a complete dump. basically the following is the situation.
1. we can flash the drive, but it requires erasing the firmware chip first (but we have no firmware to flash it with)
2. we can extract the key from the drive (so the drive can be replaced)
3. we don't have a dump of the drive, so there is nothing to hack at the moment. once a single dump is made, the drive can be hacked and we will have a firmware
Post by: Dark7 on October 06, 2008, 01:41:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Oct 6 2008, 06:20 PM)
the problem is that we are only able to read certain portions of the firmware and not get a complete dump. basically the following is the situation.
1. we can flash the drive, but it requires erasing the firmware chip first (but we have no firmware to flash it with)
2. we can extract the key from the drive (so the drive can be replaced)
3. we don't have a dump of the drive, so there is nothing to hack at the moment. once a single dump is made, the drive can be hacked and we will have a firmware
Hope it comes soon, got an Elite downstairs with a Lite-On ready to be flashed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: AlienX69 on October 06, 2008, 03:39:00 PM
QUOTE(podger @ Oct 3 2008, 07:38 PM)
donnytuco: yes.. in a nutshell
Then we should tell him the size of the nutshell that needs to cracked ..... it's a "Coconut", ever crack on of those .... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) .... hard ain't it
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Oct 6 2008, 06:20 PM)
1. we can flash the drive, but it requires erasing the firmware chip first (but we have no firmware to flash it with)
I thought the Lite-On was Un-Flashable, so there is speculation that this drive WILL be flashable in the near future ? ?
I have just purchased a BenQ (in the mail), also looking at purchasing one of the Team-Xecutor Connectivity kits (v3 Pro), just wish i could find a guide/manual on how that kit works. I assume its a given that I need to solder the Tx/Rx, but does the kit have instructions ? ?
.
This post has been edited by AlienX69: Oct 6 2008, 10:44 PM
Post by: module on October 06, 2008, 03:48:00 PM
QUOTE(Gaffy @ Sep 29 2008, 07:24 AM)
Are all old X360 drives usable as spoof drives?
Have an old and totally crashed 360 with a ms25 drive, just recently bought an xbox arcade to flash, so i would have something to play on a again - but alas: the curse of the Liote-on hit me.
So i'm planning on spoofing my old ms25 drive, but will it work, or do i need to get another drive?
I am on the exact same boat, but my old xbox with the ms25 started to crash no matter what I did, right after I installed a new laser in the drive (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Is soldering on the serial controller still the only way to extract the key from the lite-on?
Post by: Reaper527 on October 06, 2008, 06:25:00 PM
QUOTE(AlienX69 @ Oct 6 2008, 05:39 PM)
I thought the Lite-On was Un-Flashable, so there is speculation that this drive WILL be flashable in the near future ? ?
it was thought to be, but it turns out that after a full erase of the chip, it can be flashed. it is a moot point at the moment, as no one has found a way to read the chip yet, which in turn means we have nothing to flash it with.
i won't go as far as to say that it will be hackable in the near future, as i don't know the specifics of how the effort to dump the firmware is going, but i would be surprised if these aren't flashable at some point.
QUOTE(module @ Oct 6 2008, 05:48 PM)
I am on the exact same boat, but my old xbox with the ms25 started to crash no matter what I did, right after I installed a new laser in the drive (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Is soldering on the serial controller still the only way to extract the key from the lite-on?
yes, it is. team xecuter is supposed to be releasing an adapter in the near future, but as far as i know, it still requires some soldering. (although it is just bridging a point, no actual wires.) i would assume the difficulty would be similar to a tsop flash on an xbox1, but not having done the soldering on a lite-on drive, i can't confirm that.
This post has been edited by Reaper527: Oct 7 2008, 05:43 PM
Post by: plugin on October 09, 2008, 05:26:00 PM
Post by: BigSteel on October 09, 2008, 09:32:00 PM
QUOTE(plugin @ Oct 9 2008, 05:26 PM)
Aren't there any third party TSOP readers? De-soldering it from the drive and reading it should take care of it, shouldn't it?
Yes, that would work but it seemed to easy so they are looking for a more challenging way (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: Lurkin on October 10, 2008, 06:20:00 AM
QUOTE(theurn15 @ Oct 6 2008, 09:02 AM)
<c4eva> i have found some things that are not yet known about the lite-on,
it will be done!
...
<+c4eva> lite-on is no longer a question of if but when
<c4eva> the end is near for lite-on!
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleeping.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleeping.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleeping.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleeping.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleeping.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleeping.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleeping.gif)
Guys we've been hearing statements like this for more than two months where is the incredible "c4eva" and what is he doing now, it seems that Microsoft ripped all the hackers including c4eva,geremia...etc like a bulldog (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)
I guess they've been slacking since they forgot how much you pay them to do this as a full time job. I'll be sure and let them know how unhappy you are with their performance and that if they intend to keep the amazing salary you are paying them they better get working faster for you.
Post by: BoNg420 on October 10, 2008, 05:54:00 AM
QUOTE(theurn15 @ Oct 6 2008, 11:02 AM)
<c4eva> i have found some things that are not yet known about the lite-on,
it will be done!
...
<+c4eva> lite-on is no longer a question of if but when
<c4eva> the end is near for lite-on!
Guys we've been hearing statements like this for more than two months where is the incredible "c4eva" and what is he doing now, it seems that Microsoft ripped all the hackers including c4eva,geremia...etc like a bulldog
Do you not understand the time and effort these people put into doing this. They do not get much out of it, its like a hobby for them. Sure some people probably donate. People have lives and don't dedicate themselves to hacking 24/7. For all we know c4eva could work a full time job and have a family. You should not be such a stubborn prick about it, why don't you get off your ass and hack it.
Post by: podger on October 10, 2008, 06:11:00 AM
Post by: X-hacker on October 10, 2008, 06:51:00 AM
QUOTE(BigSteel @ Oct 10 2008, 04:32 AM)
Yes, that would work but it seemed to easy so they are looking for a more challenging way (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Actually, THERE IS NO TSOP in the Liteon drive. The flash is embedded in the actual controller chip so dumping using an external programmer is not an option.
I would say that like the Hitachi 79, it would require some sort of unlock procedure to unmask the firmware to allow us to do a full dump. Is the chipset in this drive used in any other DVDROM/DVDRW? Would it make sense to have a look at some of Liteon's flash tools for some of the newer drives to see how they initeract with the controller?
Easier said than done.
BigSteel - Please check your facts before you post! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
Post by: BigSteel on October 10, 2008, 09:03:00 AM
QUOTE(X-hacker @ Oct 10 2008, 06:51 AM)
Good lord! my comment was intended as pure sarcasm, I thought that was pretty obvious.
This post has been edited by BigSteel: Oct 10 2008, 04:06 PM
Post by: ampman on October 11, 2008, 03:35:00 AM
<c4eva> lite-on work is continuing. full erase/write access to entire fw flash is complete via software!
ixtreme 1.5 is coming! will include adapt_ss, will auto adapt ss according to drive string (safe spoofing), amongst other things!
Post by: BigSteel on October 11, 2008, 09:24:00 AM
QUOTE(ampman @ Oct 11 2008, 04:11 AM)
#fw net
<c4eva> lite-on work is continuing. full erase/write access to entire fw flash is complete via software!
ixtreme 1.5 is coming! will include adapt_ss, will auto adapt ss according to drive string (safe spoofing), amongst other things!
<c4eva> lite-on work is continuing. full erase/write access to entire fw flash is complete via software!
ixtreme 1.5 is coming! will include adapt_ss, will auto adapt ss according to drive string (safe spoofing), amongst other things!
Interesteing, but note that there is still no read of the firmware. Without a read of the firmware he cannot create a hacked firmware for it. Hopefully I am wrong.
Post by: ampman on October 11, 2008, 10:09:00 AM
Written???? With the original Firmware....yes.
Do you think he had 100 Liteons to destroy it?????
Post by: BigSteel on October 11, 2008, 10:26:00 AM
QUOTE(ampman @ Oct 11 2008, 10:09 AM)
i mean..he had read and written the flash.
Written???? With the original Firmware....yes.
Do you think he had 100 Liteons to destroy it?????
Written???? With the original Firmware....yes.
Do you think he had 100 Liteons to destroy it?????
Are you sure that he was able to get a complete dump of the original firmware? It has been known that you can write to entire firmware, but the problem is reading the entire firmware.
Post by: ampman on October 11, 2008, 11:22:00 AM
think times. would it overwrite the firmware, then the drive assembly without the original Firmware is broken or?
He need the original Firmware to write it against into the Flash,then the drive work again.
Post by: BigSteel on October 11, 2008, 12:01:00 PM
QUOTE(ampman @ Oct 11 2008, 11:22 AM)
@ Big Steel
think times. would it overwrite the firmware, then the drive assembly without the original Firmware is broken or?
He need the original Firmware to write it against into the Flash,then the drive work again.
think times. would it overwrite the firmware, then the drive assembly without the original Firmware is broken or?
He need the original Firmware to write it against into the Flash,then the drive work again.
My understanding is that the firmware can be written to if the original is first erased. The abiity to erase the firmware is already there, so we can write to the frimware now. However, the ability to dump the entire original firmware has never been done. So even though we can write, we cannot read and create a hacked firmware. You could flash the firmware with some sort of firmware but it would likely make the drive useless.
Post by: Reaper527 on October 11, 2008, 09:36:00 PM
QUOTE(BigSteel @ Oct 11 2008, 02:37 PM)
My understanding is that the firmware can be written to if the original is first erased. The abiity to erase the firmware is already there, so we can write to the frimware now. However, the ability to dump the entire original firmware has never been done. So even though we can write, we cannot read and create a hacked firmware. You could flash the firmware with some sort of firmware but it would likely make the drive useless.
from what i personally am taking from that irc quote is that he found a way to erase and write the firmware without doing any soldering (which would be a new development.). i could be completely wrong though.
AFAIK, your absolutely correct with everything you said there.
Post by: theurn15 on February 03, 2020, 12:14:00 AM
Buddy's please don't use words like a$$ because it doesn't make
You smarter or stronger beside I don't put my $$$ in this forum I only put
Comments, Lurkin If you Think this way then I don't have to reply to you because I don't Work for you and you don't pay me ,to the others No one can deny the supremacy of c4Eva in xbox 360 hacking he is the chosen one ,but liteon is a big challenge , note that me and a lot of my friends rushed to buy the new xbox 360 with the undisputed drive (liteon) ,as soon as we heared the news
"C4eva vows to hack the new Xbox 360 lite-on drive" .etc all over the web
I was going to buy WII or second hand xbox with benq . , which is the same case for at least hundreds of people So I Hope that c4eva continues to do the great things he does to us because he is like batman in Microsoft evil kingdom
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Post by: theurn15 on October 12, 2008, 12:51:00 AM
QUOTE(BigSteel @ Oct 11 2008, 07:37 PM)
My understanding is that the firmware can be written to if the original is first erased. The abiity to erase the firmware is already there, so we can write to the frimware now. However, the ability to dump the entire original firmware has never been done. So even though we can write, we cannot read and create a hacked firmware. You could flash the firmware with some sort of firmware but it would likely make the drive useless.
You are absolutely true geremia found the same result at 16/9/2008 :
Some small update:
it's an embedded spi flash, exactly an MX25L2005 and dosflash1.6 can write it.
The bad is that you can access it only if it's completely erased, this seems to be the "check module" mentioned into the patent
About reading the fw, i can just get 3-4 256bytes chunks in a tricky way, but can't have a complete dump this way.
reading dvdkey: ok
reading unique drive data: ok
erasing flash: ok
writing flash: ok
reading flash: missing
so nothing is new
Post by: petedishnet on February 03, 2020, 01:21:00 AM
Post by: cypher21 on February 03, 2020, 01:59:00 AM
Yes, read the forums!
Post by: theurn15 on February 03, 2020, 04:31:00 AM
did he meant that the liteon hacked FW is coming soon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)
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Post by: Antman1 on February 03, 2020, 06:31:00 AM
But this is all speculation I am just telling what I think after reading all of what is going on.
The new iXtreme1.5 firmware he talks about is going to fix the spoof detection issues that has everyone worried right now, Not sure if he means it will be iXtreme for Lite-On or not though.
Post by: sosotiit on October 12, 2008, 10:25:00 AM
QUOTE(theurn15 @ Oct 12 2008, 02:27 AM)
reading dvdkey: ok
reading unique drive data: ok
erasing flash: ok
writing flash: ok
reading flash: missing
so nothing is new
that ^^ summarizes it
Whenever the liteon firmware can be dumped then they will be ready for the flash process, but for the time being the do not have it to build the hacked FW.
The planned 1.5 is for the Benq/Samsung/Hitachi in order to allow an advanced spoofing. Currently when you spoof, the info string is changed but the drive continues to render the ss info as the replacement drive , not as the original.
Thus if you replace a liteon with a hitachi spoofed as liteon, the hitahci would send the right info string but when you start a game the ss would still appear as an ss produced by a hitachi.
From the message we have seen of C4eva, the 1.5 will allow you to put a replacement drive that would present the SS as if it came from the right drive.
In the example above, where we spoofed a Hitachi to replace a Liteon, this would mean that the hitachi would not only present the proper info string but it would also present the SS as if it was a Liteon therefore making it more difficult to detect spoofed console.
From what was published, the current planned 1.5 is not for a liteon hacked FW, sorry, but to improve the replacement using one of the other drive.
It will also make a better spoofing for those replacing a drive other than liteon
-soso
Post by: acopy on February 04, 2020, 06:39:00 AM
Post by: theurn15 on February 04, 2020, 07:13:00 AM
QUOTE(acopy @ Oct 13 2008, 02:39 PM)
i honestly believe if someone makes it someone can break it look at the benq when it 1st came out took time now can be done 79 also took time can be done ,lite-on be more of a challenge but as ever patience is the key here,
I Hope that some one do it and make that important top executive manager scream like a baby
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Post by: theurn15 on February 04, 2020, 07:47:00 AM
QUOTE(theurn15 @ Oct 13 2008, 03:13 PM)
well deleting this news reminds me of what they did in the soviet union in-order to hide facts from people this is not a liberal practice MR moderator what are you afraid from the same post is now at http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?topic=9647.240
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Post by: Iriez on October 13, 2008, 08:59:00 AM
QUOTE(theurn15 @ Oct 13 2008, 06:32 AM)
Adopted by the U.S.A Government in-order to protect data in certain important Devices from being read or hacked,(CIA,Pentagun)
Oh Noes! Not the pentagun! The Govarnmint might join too!
Post by: ej2095 on October 13, 2008, 07:00:00 PM
Post by: dimmellee on October 14, 2008, 08:04:00 AM
QUOTE(ej2095 @ Oct 14 2008, 02:00 AM)
Lol Nah in the UK they just live anything sensative on the bus/train/taxie/park bench
Aw come on give them the benefit of the doubt, sometimes they sell it on ebay
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Post by: benny881 on October 16, 2008, 11:03:00 AM
taken from team-xecuter.com :
"Apologies for lack of update but i'm sure most of you are aware that the Liteon can be dumped and there will shortly be a flashable method released bt C4E shortly. Good work ! "
Post by: mase2k on October 16, 2008, 01:22:00 PM
QUOTE(benny881 @ Oct 16 2008, 06:39 PM)
what do you think about this??? :
taken from team-xecuter.com :
"Apologies for lack of update but i'm sure most of you are aware that the Liteon can be dumped and there will shortly be a flashable method released bt C4E shortly. Good work ! "
you should include the thread
http://www.team-xecu...ead.php?t=47945
Post by: Reaper527 on October 16, 2008, 03:21:00 PM
QUOTE(mase2k @ Oct 16 2008, 03:58 PM)
i'm still reading it, but this part is inaccurate.
QUOTE
, however it looks like a read only masked rom.
the drive is writeable
---edit---
just re-read it and saw that that was an old post from august, and read the more reply. i haven't heard anything about c4e saying he found a way to dump the firmware, but if its true, i'm sure we'll know more in the coming days.
Post by: mase2k on February 03, 2020, 03:02:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Oct 16 2008, 10:57 PM)
i'm still reading it, but this part is inaccurate.
the drive is writeable
---edit---
just re-read it and saw that that was an old post from august, and read the reply. i haven't heard anything about c4e saying he found a way to dump the firmware, but if its true, i'm sure we'll know more in the coming days.
the new post is from 3 days ago
Post by: no6969el on February 03, 2020, 04:41:00 PM
Post by: chris67rs on October 16, 2008, 06:05:00 PM
<---------- gosh thats nice
I dont think that teamxecuter is as strong as they once were with the original Xbox, Evox and all the dashboards of the past sound alot like the features upcoming in the 360 fall dash update. All the original members of most of the scene has dried up since the 360 came along, I would stay off of live forever if there was a dashboard replacement like that of the original Xbox,
TX probably works for Microsloth now. tossing tidbits to the masses when they can sneak it out. If they could make something for the new liteon besides a keydumper device, that would be the $hit
but thats just my 2C
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Post by: dearest_lush on February 03, 2020, 09:20:00 PM
Post by: Reaper527 on October 18, 2008, 11:22:00 PM
QUOTE(dearest_lush @ Oct 19 2008, 12:20 AM)
I can dump lite-ons if needed, just contact me and i'll help.
i think you might be confused about what you can do. you can extract the key, but unless there is something i haven't read yet, or you have pioneered a new method, no one has dumped the entire firmware.
Post by: theurn15 on February 04, 2020, 04:22:00 AM
QUOTE(dimmellee @ Oct 14 2008, 03:04 PM)
what do you think about this??? :
taken from team-xecuter.com :
"Apologies for lack of update but i'm sure most of you are aware that the Liteon can be dumped and there will shortly be a flashable method released bt C4E shortly. Good work ! "
These people call themselves (Xecuter Retired Alcoholic) so what do you expect of them
They collapsed long time ago ,also note they do paid hacking not free hacking ,so if there's no modchip they will not waste their time for free , about predicting latest development with C4EVA note the following " Note: C4EVA may have made some progress so if he needs anything from us or if we will be wasting our time - just get him to drop us a line - thanks." So how the hell did they knew about C4EVA latest developments.
About the Microsoft-military its funny because no one ever mentioned it , but if someone claimed that the bammer car is a result of joint project U.S.A military and general motors somebody would laugh until we change it to hammer h2 instead of bammer . I think we are over reacting in discussing this subject so what if Microsoft are so sure it won't be hacked they believe what they like to believe, also the employees in the us government are humans just like us they are not Aliens from mars ,I guess this technology is derived not the whole one as I've heard so it can be hacked,I think we should move on to something useful guys.
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Post by: airman on October 20, 2008, 09:45:00 AM
Can i swap the benq with the Lite-on drive ?
If yes, what do i have to do, any tutorial links or software i have to use ?
From what i understand now in iXtreme 1.5 you could flash the lite on but it could take some time untill that's out.
So in order to flash my benq to swap it i have to read the drive key of the liteon ? (how ?)
And after doing this and when ixtreme 1.5 gets out, can i flash the lion on drive like i did my benq in the first place ?
thanks
Post by: Reaper527 on October 20, 2008, 09:50:00 AM
QUOTE(airman @ Oct 20 2008, 12:21 PM)
I have a dead xbox with a Benq drive and a new xbox with Lite-on crap...
Can i swap the benq with the Lite-on drive ?
If yes, what do i have to do, any tutorial links or software i have to use ?
From what i understand now in iXtreme 1.5 you could flash the lite on but it could take some time untill that's out.
So in order to flash my benq to swap it i have to read the drive key of the liteon ? (how ?)
And after doing this and when ixtreme 1.5 gets out, can i flash the lion on drive like i did my benq in the first place ?
thanks
ixtreme 1.5 isn't rumored to be a liteon release. it is rumored to just improve the spoofing capabilities of the other drives. just do a search, and you'll find all the answers you need. if i'm not mistaken, you will have to do some soldering to get the key from your liteon drive.
Post by: Kijoki on October 20, 2008, 10:49:00 AM
http://www.xboxhacke...g68074#msg68074
I am in no means a hacker but have been following news fervently, very much interested but did not understand a word of what bongo meant there
Post by: Reaper527 on October 20, 2008, 11:01:00 AM
QUOTE(Kijoki @ Oct 20 2008, 01:25 PM)
Can someone decipher what bonzo.pl means here:
http://www.xboxhacke...g68074#msg68074
I am in no means a hacker but have been following news fervently, very much interested but did not understand a word of what bongo meant there
i've got no idea what he's talking about. it looks like he is analyzing a different lite-on drive, and trying to use what he learns from that on the 360's liteon drive. unfortunately, i think he is going to hit a dead end and not much will come from what he is doing.
i think he is just taking his native language and tossing it into a web translator, so it is a bit hard to get the complete story from his posts due to the garbling thats happening.
Post by: theurn15 on October 21, 2008, 12:56:00 AM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Oct 20 2008, 06:37 PM)
i've got no idea what he's talking about. it looks like he is analyzing a different lite-on drive, and trying to use what he learns from that on the 360's liteon drive. unfortunately, i think he is going to hit a dead end and not much will come from what he is doing.
i think he is just taking his native language and tossing it into a web translator, so it is a bit hard to get the complete story from his posts due to the garbling thats happening.
okay what he means is that hackers used benqfirmware to operate on that samsung drive so how about
modifying the same firmware to work on liteon ? maybe geremia or C4EVA will give as an answer
Post by: Reaper527 on October 21, 2008, 09:03:00 AM
QUOTE(theurn15 @ Oct 21 2008, 02:56 AM)
okay what he means is that hackers used benqfirmware to operate on that samsung drive
got a link to verify that? i've never heard of this. not saying your wrong, but i've never heard of the benq firmware being used on a samsung, and if you are right, i'd be interested in reading about it.
Post by: Kijoki on October 21, 2008, 09:26:00 AM
Pretty neat actually and that's over a year ago... seems cheaper to me than spoofing with another 360 drive.
Post by: Reaper527 on October 21, 2008, 09:35:00 AM
QUOTE(Kijoki @ Oct 21 2008, 12:02 PM)
I suggest you check out the modfreakz link he refers to (youtube video). They show how a flashed philips pc sata drive with benq firmware runs dvds (backups or original dunno) on a 360.
phillips and benq are the same company. they were probably very similar drives. with the benq and liteon, one would assume the firmware would be pretty different, and purposely designed that way.
also, urn specifically said benq firmware on a samsung drive (presumably he meant a samsung 360 drive)
Post by: LORDMASH on October 21, 2008, 03:30:00 PM
is there any data sheets for lite-on's?
Post by: Kijoki on October 21, 2008, 04:31:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Oct 21 2008, 05:11 PM)
phillips and benq are the same company. they were probably very similar drives. with the benq and liteon, one would assume the firmware would be pretty different, and purposely designed that way.
also, urn specifically said benq firmware on a samsung drive (presumably he meant a samsung 360 drive)
Urns isn't the one who posted the video though.. And in there it says specifically a philips dvd rom. Btw unless I am mistaken isn't the lite-on drive a philips lite-on?
Anyways I think bonzo mentioned something about a 26df161 no ISP programmer. From what I understood from that sentence was that he found a way to dump a firmware from pretty much the same chip. Then again I could be miles off
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on October 21, 2008, 05:54:00 PM
Post by: airman on October 21, 2008, 06:04:00 PM
Post by: theurn15 on October 22, 2008, 03:23:00 AM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Oct 21 2008, 05:11 PM)
phillips and benq are the same company. they were probably very similar drives. with the benq and liteon, one would assume the firmware would be pretty different, and purposely designed that way.
also, urn specifically said benq firmware on a samsung drive (presumably he meant a samsung 360 drive)
well I forgot where I found a news about Samsung pc drive flashed by benq firmware not xbox 360 samsung drive (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) , however
this news about Philips pc drive flashed by benq firmware
1- http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?topic=10190.0
2- http://www.tehskeen.com/forums/showthread.php?p=21575
Post by: spavia on October 22, 2008, 03:50:00 AM
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on October 22, 2008, 06:07:00 AM
QUOTE(airman @ Oct 22 2008, 01:04 AM)
make sure it's from lot 0810 or lower
Thank you!
I know it's going to be hard to find one new in retail stores from 0810 or lower, but is there a certain 360 that it's more likely with? The Elite maybe? Something tells me the Elites don't sell so well so maybe they don't have Lite-on drives at all. Anyone know?
Did any 20 GB systems come with the Lite-on? I managed to find one store with one.
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Post by: dalton4life on October 22, 2008, 07:32:00 AM
Post by: dragon45801 on October 22, 2008, 05:11:00 PM
QUOTE(spavia @ Oct 22 2008, 05:50 AM)
Hei guys i need help i soldered the 2 points and ok checked with meter. but i cannot recognise the drive in windows xp. I do the tray trick , legacy mode in bios , connect sata cable and usb start windows and windows saw the xtractor but not the Liteon drive. any tutorial on utube? What am i doing wrong?
did you install the usb drivers that make your usb port a com port?
Post by: spavia on October 23, 2008, 01:59:00 AM
Post by: kolor9 on October 23, 2008, 03:23:00 AM
[11:09] <DCP> c4eva now u have teh controller chip stripped down have u been able to read the fw off it
[11:11] <c4eva> soon, work is progressing
[11:11] <kolor> c4eva if u r able to read fw off it, does it means that fw is identical on all liteons, and we all can erase current/write hacked one to our liteons using software
[11:12] <c4eva> yes, but key must still be dumped, but once fw is read, will look for other holes, software erase/write already done
[11:17] <c4eva> once we have fw, and create ixtreme, you just put your key in and flash back!
[11:17] <DCP> throught the sata
[11:18] <c4eva> flash-yes
[11:18] <DCP> nice
[11:18] <kolor> nice idd
[11:18] <c4eva> once we have fw, will look for easy way to get key
Post by: spavia on October 23, 2008, 03:26:00 AM
Post by: Nomar1245 on October 23, 2008, 01:51:00 PM
QUOTE(kolor9 @ Oct 23 2008, 10:59 AM)
so, for you to know, a team of guys managed to strip down the chip
[11:09] <DCP> c4eva now u have teh controller chip stripped down have u been able to read the fw off it
[11:11] <c4eva> soon, work is progressing
[11:11] <kolor> c4eva if u r able to read fw off it, does it means that fw is identical on all liteons, and we all can erase current/write hacked one to our liteons using software
[11:12] <c4eva> yes, but key must still be dumped, but once fw is read, will look for other holes, software erase/write already done
[11:17] <c4eva> once we have fw, and create ixtreme, you just put your key in and flash back!
[11:17] <DCP> throught the sata
[11:18] <c4eva> flash-yes
[11:18] <DCP> nice
[11:18] <kolor> nice idd
[11:18] <c4eva> once we have fw, will look for easy way to get key
I've read every post in this thread since last friday, when I purchased a 360, not knowing there was a knew drive since my last drive flash.
After your post I can't decide if I'm excited or not. I'm one of those people who always believes a mod will come because it pretty much has (on various systems).
I've been telling myself I bought this at the best time I could get one of these drives but I don't know if I should really be jumping at this news because theres been a lot like it since April.
Oh well........only time will tell
Post by: baltazor on October 23, 2008, 02:51:00 PM
QUOTE(kolor9 @ Oct 23 2008, 11:59 AM)
so, for you to know, a team of guys managed to strip down the chip
[11:09] <DCP> c4eva now u have teh controller chip stripped down have u been able to read the fw off it
[11:11] <c4eva> soon, work is progressing
[11:11] <kolor> c4eva if u r able to read fw off it, does it means that fw is identical on all liteons, and we all can erase current/write hacked one to our liteons using software
[11:12] <c4eva> yes, but key must still be dumped, but once fw is read, will look for other holes, software erase/write already done
[11:17] <c4eva> once we have fw, and create ixtreme, you just put your key in and flash back!
[11:17] <DCP> throught the sata
[11:18] <c4eva> flash-yes
[11:18] <DCP> nice
[11:18] <kolor> nice idd
[11:18] <c4eva> once we have fw, will look for easy way to get key
[11:09] <DCP> c4eva now u have teh controller chip stripped down have u been able to read the fw off it
[11:11] <c4eva> soon, work is progressing
[11:11] <kolor> c4eva if u r able to read fw off it, does it means that fw is identical on all liteons, and we all can erase current/write hacked one to our liteons using software
[11:12] <c4eva> yes, but key must still be dumped, but once fw is read, will look for other holes, software erase/write already done
[11:17] <c4eva> once we have fw, and create ixtreme, you just put your key in and flash back!
[11:17] <DCP> throught the sata
[11:18] <c4eva> flash-yes
[11:18] <DCP> nice
[11:18] <kolor> nice idd
[11:18] <c4eva> once we have fw, will look for easy way to get key
Looks promising when i read these hopefull words
My impatience and above all my Wallet has its limits ! Dont like to screw up and fry my new liteon drive by soldering it even before i get the key out
In the meanwhile its back to PS2 days
Have some UNFINISHED bussiness whit some GREAT PS2 games anyway
baltazor,
Post by: ddaniels on February 03, 2020, 09:12:00 AM
Thanks
Post by: dragon45801 on February 03, 2020, 01:51:00 PM
QUOTE(ddaniels @ Oct 25 2008, 12:12 PM)
When you guys talk about lot numbers where exactly are these found? On the outside of the box? As far as finding a flashable dvd drive vs the new lite-on would I have luck buying one of the $200 Arcade 360's? When looking for older lot numbers do you also run the risk of also getting a xbox that eventually will fail RROD?
Thanks
outside of box on barcode sticker. only lot number 814 and lower is gonna have a flashable drive.
Post by: Mirkec23 on October 28, 2008, 11:43:00 AM
QUOTE(andredeklerk @ Oct 28 2008, 04:37 PM)
Does anyone know how far progressed the hacked firmware is eg. any irc posts or anything?
http://www.xboxhacke...;topic=9647.340
Post by: Reaper527 on November 03, 2008, 06:52:00 AM
QUOTE(deffc0n @ Nov 3 2008, 05:09 AM)
Only ModChip never normal flashing this Liteon.
and why exactly is this? the liteon is flashable, we just need a firmware for it. without a firmware, it would be impossible to design a modchip. i predict we will get both at roughly the same time, since there are people that insist on a chip due to the false sense of security they give.
Post by: run187 on November 04, 2008, 04:37:00 PM
enter lot number in that it will tell you whats in it ,its either benq or lite on
or easier way is to po face plate off and shine torch into the hole
whites benq yellow will be lite on holes above second memory dod dad
no hole Hitachi I believe and i guess samsung would be red
there was a 60gb with the benq so you or your friend may of go lucky s/m..
Post by: BigSteel on November 05, 2008, 09:07:00 PM
1) There is no hacked firmware for the LiteOn drive
2) You can replace the drive with a moddable drive tutorial HERE
3) You will have to spoof your replacement drive as a LiteOn. No one knows for sure if this is more detecable on Live, but it most likely is. Your best bet is to replace it with a BenQ as it is the most similar to the LiteOn.
4) The drives firmware can be written to and erased, however since it cannot be dumped yet it is impossible to create hacked firmware
5) NO ONE KNOWS WHEN A HACKED FIRMWARE WILL BE AVAILABLE (ie firmware dumped and a hacked version created). There are people (C4Eva's team working on it).
That pretty much summarizes 400+ posts. This is supposed to be a technical thread, feel free to post if you have any technical info on getting the firmware dumped. Otherwise, if would be nice if we could stop seeing the same questions, all of which are answered in the 5 points above. I am not a mod or anything...just a huge fan of this website
Post by: theurn15 on November 06, 2008, 04:51:00 AM
this is the latest development in liteon hacking this is an updated version
Of his chat with our friends he says that:
o A team of hackers are working now to dump the fw.
o liteon flashing will be easier than benq flashing (through sata) .
o key must be dumped in all cases.
o dumping using rs-232 could be replaced by dumping through sata.
* people stop asking questions it won't acclerate the process it's only a matter of time now
Full irc chat:
1.<DCP> c4eva now u have teh controller chip stripped down have u been able to read the fw off it
2.<c4eva> soon, work is progressing
3.<DCP> nice work
4.<kolor> c4eva if u r able to read fw off it, does it means that fw is identical on all liteons, and we all can erase current/write hacked one to our liteons using software
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7.<DCP> i think u will need to read the key and spoof off then write it back with a ix fw
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9.<kolor> yeah def need a spoof+key
10.<c4eva> yes, but key must still be dumped, but once fw is read, will look for other holes, software erase/write already done
11.<c4eva> a team of people being working on it
12.<c4eva> once we have fw, and create ixtreme, you just put your key in and flash back!
13.<c4eva> once we have fw, will look for easy way to get key
14.<c4eva> via sata if possible
15.<c4eva> yes, it will be easier than benq
16.<DCP> was it acid dipped c4eva
17.<DCP> or just heat
18.<c4eva> yes, very hard to get type
19.<c4eva> they think either terrorist or hitman
20.<c4eva> important thing is flash is still intact, including wires
21.<DCP> can u read the flash direct now
22.<DCP> or are teh point not on the board to let u do that
23.<DCP> points*
24.<c4eva> thats the idea, move wires to external pins if necessary
25.<c4eva> attach direct to flash, no need for the controller
26.<c4eva> wires will be re-routed to external pins
27.<c4eva> bit of a cheap ass solution, just putting the flash on top like that!
28.<votality> c4eva do you think the next step will be embedded flash
29.<c4eva> upon researching, there are more secure designs, yes
Post by: derajenator on November 06, 2008, 04:11:00 PM
-Purchase an additional Samsung drive from eBay like this one
-Purchase a 360 Xtractor (don't buy the spear it's a waste of money) from one of the resellers here (I recommend vgcrepairs.biz since they have the cheapest/fastest shipping and are located out of California. Also, I had an issue with shipping, gave VGC Repairs a call, and they had the problem sorted out immediately! Their customer service is absolutely fantastic!)
-Hook up your 360 Xtractor, install the proper drivers/programs, and get everything ready as they tell you to on Maximus's website
-Go to this thread and only follow the instructions for bridging R707 and R708 with pieces of solder and scotch tape (yes it really works and saves you ~15 dollars on the spear; if you don't trust yourself with solder and scotch tape, you should probably buy the spear along with the 360 Xtractor). If someone wants a sample picture of what the taped solder should look like, just let me know and I will post a picture for you
-Extract you Liteon key (you'll have 3 separate files from the extraction)
-Inject the key into your hacked Samsung firmware
-Flash your Samsung with the hacked firmware
-Remove the bridges from R707 and R708 on your Liteon drive and save your Liteon drive for if/when c4eva releases new iXtreme firmware for it
-Put the Samsung drive back in your new system party it up
I didn't include a great deal of specific information on the key extraction/injection and firmware processes because that information is already well documented by others (you should be able to find everything you need with a little digging and all of the links supplied here). This might be the easiest way to get your Liteon key but the least expensive way is to build/find an RS232 to TTL converter on eBay and follow Krystm's marvelous tutorial/thread that I linked earlier. There's no guarantee that hacked firmware will be out for this drive but based on how much hard work c4eva, his team, and other major contributor's of the scene have put into these projects, I'm sure we'll see hacked firmware with time. So please, stop asking when/if it's going to be out and if you really want a modded system, buy an older, used system with a moddable drive or spoof an older drive (Samsung/Hitachi/Benq) to you Liteon. I only suggested buying a Samsung drive because they are about half as expensive as Benq drives on average after shipping (a $30 Samsung shipped is a really decent deal from what I've seen). If you want to be safer when playing on Xbox Live, I recommend getting a Benq drive because, from what I've read, the older drives (Hitachi/Samsung) are missing certain functions that the newer drives (Benq/Liteon) have. However, I'm not responsible for you getting banned from Xbox Live or any damage you cause to your Xbox 360, drives, or computer. If you are too afraid to take any risk of getting banned from Xbox Live, don't modify your console! There is always a risk of getting banned from Xbox Live if you do play your modified console online. Feel free to add questions, comments, concerns, death threats (hopefully not), or anything else that relates to this mini-guide or helps people cope with the Liteon's shittiness until firmware is (more than likely) dumped by c4eva's team.
Post by: derajenator on November 06, 2008, 06:08:00 PM
Here's a picture of the tape job/solder bridge. Yeah, Krystm, on your picture you had bridged both receive and transmit data, do you only have to do transmit since you are only extracting the key? It doesn't hurt anything to bridge both but if you don't have to, then you might as well only do TxD.
Post by: Krystm on November 06, 2008, 06:16:00 PM
Post by: dangerpaki on November 07, 2008, 05:10:00 AM
I think it's best we all calm down. we've already seen other threads on other forums being closed because there was no technical discussion going on there.
we all know C4eva is doing his best. he doesn;t like to publish half things or give us crap. give the guy some credit and don;t stress him. believe me, when it's finished he'll let us know. and as far as i can imagine, he probably wants this himself as well to be hacked.
but us having non technical conversations in this topic will not help him out. anything technical found out by you of course would help him. but as i read the last pages of this thread C4eva probably isn;t reading this thread at all anymore cus he knows no one is posting anything technical here anymore. although it;s in the technical forum.
so give the guy a break and check this thread if you want to but don;t post non-technical stuff here as it won;t make the process quicker, will only lead to agitation and getting this thread closed.
EDIT: i think i agree with fokia, maybe it's best to clean and close the thread so c4eva can contact the administrators when he has something new to add or tell us. and then it can be opened again.
This post has been edited by dangerpaki: Nov 7 2008, 01:12 PM
Post by: 2000 on November 07, 2008, 05:12:00 AM
QUOTE(BigSteel @ Nov 6 2008, 05:43 AM)
I agree with OggyUK. This thread is getting ridiculous. Here is a summary of the 400+ posts in this thread:
1) There is no hacked firmware for the LiteOn drive
2) You can replace the drive with a moddable drive tutorial HERE
3) You will have to spoof your replacement drive as a LiteOn. No one knows for sure if this is more detecable on Live, but it most likely is. Your best bet is to replace it with a BenQ as it is the most similar to the LiteOn.
4) The drives firmware can be written to and erased, however since it cannot be dumped yet it is impossible to create hacked firmware
5) NO ONE KNOWS WHEN A HACKED FIRMWARE WILL BE AVAILABLE (ie firmware dumped and a hacked version created). There are people (C4Eva's team working on it).
That pretty much summarizes 400+ posts. This is supposed to be a technical thread, feel free to post if you have any technical info on getting the firmware dumped. Otherwise, if would be nice if we could stop seeing the same questions, all of which are answered in the 5 points above. I am not a mod or anything...just a huge fan of this website
I agree, please be patient, post only if you have something technical to add. I have heard of C4eva and he is well appriciated. (keep up the good work!)
But I must say that it would be wonderful if someone would post a progress on work from time to time to this post.
It would be nice if C4eva could chip away some time to post a thread.
Stay patient for those(and my self) who have a Lite-on drive, and try to swap games with your frends.
Post by: OggyUK on November 07, 2008, 05:20:00 AM
QUOTE(dangerpaki @ Nov 7 2008, 12:10 PM)
EDIT: i think i agree with fokia, maybe it's best to clean and close the thread so c4eva can contact the administrators when he has something new to add or tell us. and then it can be opened again.
All good in theory, but, it would just mean 200 new threads instead of posts.
As much as I hate repeating myself, many board thrive on repeat questions, if we all searched and found the answer, no-one would mention the qwirks they had along the way and how they resolved them.
There is IMO only one way to make people learn - you post in here asking for 'newbie help' - you get a warning, 2nd offence you get infraction points, thirdly - you get a ban (24-48 hours)
The fact that none of these posts are really technical (this included) and the fact mods have already warned of cluttering this thread, suspensions should be dished out to those who fail to read / look past the first 5 topics on a page (even the whole first 1/2 pages)
If I can learn this all without a guide (there wernt any when I modded my first) then Im sure Textbooks tutorial, the numerous LiteOn guides and the advice of other members would see most through.
NOW BACK ON TOPIC
Wheres the f/w?
Embedded flash, its what 'they' (I) thought was already in the liteon, it appears it is infact just piggy backed onto the Mt1319L chip - so not 'truely embedded'
As C4eva said - a pretty cheap ass way to do it, but next time, I dont think it will be that way around
MS' protection evolves just like the firmware, always looking for the gap to plug / exploit
The serial port cant stay intact for long, no-one can be daft enough to expect that to last that much longer.
Post by: rocksalt on November 07, 2008, 10:10:00 AM
I've been reading this entire thread and i can understand why the regulars are rightly getting cheesed off!
Until the masters have worked out a way for this to be done in a nice technical manner that dosn't require any kind of partical physics engines then being quiet is a great idea, with a small addition.
Due to the general craftyness of M$ for the time being, play LIVE with original unmodded LITEONE drives. your safe as nothing have been touched. Call this The first drive option.
From what i understand, it's possible to read the dvdkey and then burn this to a BENQ or similar drive...
What this doesn't allow is safe playing on the LIVE service. Call this the second drive option.
So what about currently if you want to play backuped games yadda..yadd..yadda... show your GF you uberness at playing ripped software then choose the second drive option.
When you want want to play live, go option one
When you want to play offline with your own hacked version of GOW2 where you are uber elite and all the game characters are naked images of Sara Palin, then choose option two
Option three is where we wait in patience and SILENCE for the masters to do their magic where we who are magicless cannot.
Post by: baltazor on November 07, 2008, 01:36:00 PM
!! You didnt took that pill after all, have you now
!Either your ARE TOO DUMB to grasp wot iam trying to say or you're just out for a fight
!QUOTE(derajenator @ Nov 7 2008, 08:26 AM)
6. For my last point, claiming "it's taking quite a while now" is disrespecting C4eva. Let me break it down for you: with your comment, it's like telling C4eva "Hey dude why aren't you done already? It's taking you this long? You suck because you're not done yet". So, you said you meant no disrespect about that comment but failed to explain how you meant no disrespect by it. Please enlighten me and everyone else reading how that comment is not disrespectful. I dare you... haha
Wot an contradiction here, and you tell me my comments conflict ehh !? First you claim you know wot i actually meant by "its taking quite a while now".
But on the other hand i need to explain how i meant no disrespect
!!!!!Realy now, couldnt you sense my sincere intentions for the both of us if not all of us (hence using you telephatic ability)!! CAN YOU BELIEVE THE ARROGNACE OF THIS MORRON!! That brings me back to wot i said earlier, either you are out for an fight or just to dumb to grasp and act important here trying to insult me whit your OFF TOPIC "NON-TECHNICAL" remarks towards me!
Most of the remarks are WAY BESIDE THE POINT anyway, remarks such as question the possible spell errors!
Allow me to explain myself to you just ONE = 1 = I = more time (wos this clear to you ?) ..
By "its taking a while now" i wos only reffering to those many "non-technical" posts poeple spread arround here but not to attack C4eva ... i REPEAT (just incase your telepathic superhuman ability fails on ya) NOT TO ATTACK C4EVA and/or his team who work VERRY hard their ARSES off to crack THIS tough NUTT . How many times on EARTH do i have to rephrase it for you to understand buddyholly!!!
Iam done now giving you the
attention you certainly not deserve!baltazor,
Post by: OggyUK on November 07, 2008, 02:59:00 PM
I can honestly say, keep abusing it and it'll be gone - not only non-technical, now flaming?
Sosotiit will inevitably see this and act accordingly from what Ive seen.
Post by: PuttyPatrol on November 07, 2008, 11:08:00 PM
between all these non-technical mumbojumbo!I just have bhought an new box whit Liteon obviously. The drive is connected to the sata controller port onboard the mobo
. Now, that having said. I like to know if theres any but ANY litle hope
, any way at all to get the key read out using only the drive and xbox36O to powerup the drive obviously and 1 pci sata controller card (no And then there's still the need for an hacked Liteon firmware ofcourse i will need to flash my stuborn
liteon whit
So.... any constructive TECHNICAL support regarding my query is verry VERRY much appreciated
yours trully,
PuttyPatrol,
Post by: OggyUK on November 08, 2008, 01:18:00 AM
Only way to get Drive key is using th RS232 TTL cable posted throught the many posts on the board.
Post by: derajenator on November 08, 2008, 02:16:00 AM
QUOTE(OggyUK @ Nov 8 2008, 03:54 AM)
Currently, no, all you can get is the Inquiry / Identify files through Sata.
Only way to get Drive key is using th RS232 TTL cable posted throught the many posts on the board.
And the Xtractor 360 by Maximus....
Post by: OggyUK on November 08, 2008, 02:00:00 AM
Oh the Xtractor? A Glorified RS232 TTL?????
Post by: Sany92 on November 08, 2008, 09:27:00 AM
Post by: Reaper527 on November 08, 2008, 07:11:00 PM
QUOTE(OggyUK @ Nov 7 2008, 07:56 AM)
MS' protection evolves just like the firmware, always looking for the gap to plug / exploit
The serial port cant stay intact for long, no-one can be daft enough to expect that to last that much longer.
is there any technical reason for the serial port access being there to begin with? (what i'm getting at is that with the lpc bus on the xbox1, it was used by microsoft for testing and couldn't be removed because of that. does this server any similar function that would make it difficult for ms to remove?)
QUOTE(theurn15 @ Nov 7 2008, 01:24 PM)
Guys no one can give an eta for liteon fw but indications leads me to say its comming soon less than 2 months at most
aka your arbitrary speculation?
i'll be cleaning this thread later this weekend, for now, watching the bruins (up 3-1 right now
)
Post by: Reaper527 on November 08, 2008, 07:43:00 PM
regardless, this should make it easier for people to see the last useful posts from the past month.
***IMPORTANT***
from this point on, anyone who says
1. when will the firmware be ready
2. how can i get a new system without a liteon drive
3. what drive is in my system
4. does anyone have the ability to contact c4e directly
5. can we just flash the lite-on with the benq firmware
6. something stupid/useless/not constructive
you WILL have your post invised and your account put on a 7 day mute. if you are unsure about if your post is going to get you in trouble, post it Here.
this being said, i just want to explicitly say, those of you posting the c4e irc logs, great work. those are actually useful and give everyone a straight from the horses mouth update.
Post by: OggyUK on November 08, 2008, 07:45:00 PM
I guess its *not* needed but patching it wouldnt remove it, just remove the way we can use it.
Post by: allenofmn on November 08, 2008, 09:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Nov 8 2008, 09:47 PM)
is there any technical reason for the serial port access being there to begin with? (what i'm getting at is that with the lpc bus on the xbox1, it was used by microsoft for testing and couldn't be removed because of that. does this server any similar function that would make it difficult for ms to remove?)
aka your arbitrary speculation?
I did an internship at a company that essential makes wireless serial ports. A lot of devices have serial ports on them, it is a useful thing to have, they can easily be used for diagnostic, reading, writing.. etc.
My guess is that it is hard to remove them because of this. When they run the devices through the factory, you can pull randomly off the line, plug in to the serial port, and QC the line.
Post by: Bazdoctor on November 10, 2008, 07:03:00 AM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Nov 9 2008, 01:19 PM)
i cleaned up the last 3 pages (22-25, so all posts since 10-16-08). i'll probably go back and do more later.
regardless, this should make it easier for people to see the last useful posts from the past month.
***IMPORTANT***
from this point on, anyone who says
1. when will the firmware be ready
2. how can i get a new system without a liteon drive
3. what drive is in my system
4. does anyone have the ability to contact c4e directly
5. can we just flash the lite-on with the benq firmware
6. something stupid/useless/not constructive
you WILL have your post invised and your account put on a 7 day mute. if you are unsure about if your post is going to get you in trouble, post it Here.
this being said, i just want to explicitly say, those of you posting the c4e irc logs, great work. those are actually useful and give everyone a straight from the horses mouth update.
@ Sany92 & Tscare: Are you two just simply stupid or cant you read. What did Reaper just say about asking these types of questions. Its ppl like you guys that keep getting this topic closed/cleaned-up. Post in the newbie forum.
Post by: 0wn4g3 on November 10, 2008, 09:15:00 AM
[06:01] <c4eva> liteon work is progressing well
[06:01] <brandogg> Just an all in one USB drive flasher or something
[06:01] <JigaX> and i don't want to swap with a sammy
[06:01] <Hodge> c4eva
[06:01] * TB1989 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[06:01] <BlOoDy> hey c4eva
[06:01] <Crazziee> cool, thats good to hear
[06:01] <makaveli8> hey is it possible to extract the key off a console once its been improperly flashed?
[06:01] <meepBeep> BillyRR: then you must live in bumfuck iowa, where 3 360's are purchased a year
[06:01] * sickaz has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
[06:01] <Hodge> u a dev or?
[06:01] * Netham45 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[06:01] * escl33t has joined #fw
[06:01] <Crazziee> any changes on the live logs?
[06:01] <brandogg> makavelia
[06:01] <meepBeep> you probably can still buy MS25's in bumfuck iowa
[06:01] <own_16> y r people posting ps3 games on ngs
[06:01] * TB1989 has joined #fw
[06:01] <brandogg> If it was flashed with the right key, yes
[06:01] <makaveli8> oh c4eva is here!
[06:01] <own_16> its not even hacked
[06:01] <BillyRR> im in vancouver
[06:01] <IseMan> ok time for +m, let the man speak.
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[06:02] <Hodge> cus i have a liteon and wanna keep updated on news so i can patch
[06:02] <brandogg> own - because one day they'll be usefull
[06:02] <Takieda> IseMan: I agree!!!
[06:02] <meepBeep> c4eva: as much as i love your work etc
[06:02] <BillyRR> we buy more technology based shit than 90% of the world per capita
[06:02] <meepBeep> i've lost faith in liteon modding
[06:02] * IoTiSposo has joined #fw
[06:02] <caster420> lol meep
[06:02] <c4eva> keep the faith
[06:02] <meepBeep> i appreciate what you've done, but this damn drive has move dme back to a pc gamer.
[06:02] <caster420>
[06:02] <BlOoDy> so is there any chance that we can modding a liteon before xmas ?
[06:02] * SaYwaH has joined #fw
[06:02] * grrox sets mode: +l 1235
[06:02] <IseMan> oooh, that means c4e got something up his sleeves
[06:02] <meepBeep> i sold my 360 a couple weeks back, will buy again once i can play "backups"
[06:03] <|Soujiro|> lol
looks promising not much said but i think its gd news
Post by: Reaper527 on November 10, 2008, 10:51:00 AM
QUOTE(Bazdoctor @ Nov 10 2008, 09:39 AM)
@ Sany92 & Tscare: Are you two just simply stupid or cant you read. What did Reaper just say about asking these types of questions. Its ppl like you guys that keep getting this topic closed/cleaned-up. Post in the newbie forum.
they've been deal with
everyone else, keep this in mind or your next
Post by: theurn15 on November 10, 2008, 12:24:00 PM
QUOTE(0wn4g3 @ Nov 10 2008, 05:51 PM)
irc log from this morning.
[06:01] <c4eva> liteon work is progressing well
[06:01] <brandogg> Just an all in one USB drive flasher or something
[06:01] <JigaX> and i don't want to swap with a sammy
[06:01] <Hodge> c4eva
[06:01] * TB1989 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[06:01] <BlOoDy> hey c4eva
[06:01] <Crazziee> cool, thats good to hear
[06:01] <makaveli8> hey is it possible to extract the key off a console once its been improperly flashed?
[06:01] <meepBeep> BillyRR: then you must live in bumfuck iowa, where 3 360's are purchased a year
[06:01] * sickaz has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
[06:01] <Hodge> u a dev or?
[06:01] * Netham45 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[06:01] * escl33t has joined #fw
[06:01] <Crazziee> any changes on the live logs?
[06:01] <brandogg> makavelia
[06:01] <meepBeep> you probably can still buy MS25's in bumfuck iowa
[06:01] <own_16> y r people posting ps3 games on ngs
[06:01] * TB1989 has joined #fw
[06:01] <brandogg> If it was flashed with the right key, yes
[06:01] <makaveli8> oh c4eva is here!
[06:01] <own_16> its not even hacked
[06:01] <BillyRR> im in vancouver
[06:01] <IseMan> ok time for +m, let the man speak.
[06:02] * Toadnuts has joined #fw
[06:02] <Hodge> cus i have a liteon and wanna keep updated on news so i can patch
[06:02] <brandogg> own - because one day they'll be usefull
[06:02] <Takieda> IseMan: I agree!!!
[06:02] <meepBeep> c4eva: as much as i love your work etc
[06:02] <BillyRR> we buy more technology based shit than 90% of the world per capita
[06:02] <meepBeep> i've lost faith in liteon modding
[06:02] * IoTiSposo has joined #fw
[06:02] <caster420> lol meep
[06:02] <c4eva> keep the faith
[06:02] <meepBeep> i appreciate what you've done, but this damn drive has move dme back to a pc gamer.
[06:02] <caster420>
[06:02] <BlOoDy> so is there any chance that we can modding a liteon before xmas ?
[06:02] * SaYwaH has joined #fw
[06:02] sold my 360 a
Well its important for you guys to know the following:
1- geremia told me he is not participating in liteon fw dump this time .
2-my friend who have connections with c4eva that the so called team is not steady nor they are taking the matter seriously they work in
Their spare time 5 days a month
They even get mad because of people pressure so we will be lucky if we get it in 2 months.
Post by: dcp2001 on November 16, 2008, 05:46:00 AM
1.<AGP22> c4eva is here dudes !
2.<jam11> so c4eva do we have a new fw!
3.<AGP22> yeah c4eva the world is starving for your creativity.
4.<c4eva > liteon flash reading done 100%, new modified ixtreme fw will be available soon .
5.<AGP22> do you mean reading the liteon fw completely.
6.<c4eva > yes !
7.<jam11> so what next ? can you upload that fw?
8.<c4eva > No because it still needs modification!
9.<AGP22> can you give us an eta!
10.<jam11> yeah please give us an eta!
11.<AGP22> well!!.
12.<c4eva > No ETA, liteon is over !
Post by: andredeklerk on November 16, 2008, 09:23:00 AM
Post by: adrianeitor92 on November 16, 2008, 09:29:00 AM
QUOTE(andredeklerk @ Nov 16 2008, 05:59 PM)
what does he meen by lite-on is over? is it over like unhackeble or over like the fw will be here tomorrow
If the chat is true (dude) i think that over means that the Lite On is defeat.
Sorry for my english, I'm spanish.
Post by: Tscare on November 16, 2008, 10:15:00 AM
soon enought liek in a week itll be here or something
remeber people
its going to be easier than the benq for flashing
and its software doable
Post by: Reaper527 on November 16, 2008, 10:52:00 AM
QUOTE(dcp2001 @ Nov 16 2008, 08:22 AM)
the game is over for liteon:
1.<AGP22> c4eva is here dudes !
2.<jam11> so c4eva do we have a new fw!
3.<AGP22> yeah c4eva the world is starving for your creativity.
4.<c4eva > liteon flash reading done 100%, new modified ixtreme fw will be available soon .
5.<AGP22> do you mean reading the liteon fw completely.
6.<c4eva > yes !
7.<jam11> so what next ? can you upload that fw?
8.<c4eva > No because it still needs modification!
9.<AGP22> can you give us an eta!
10.<jam11> yeah please give us an eta!
11.<AGP22> well!!.
12.<c4eva > No ETA, liteon is over !
thats great news. we certainly have gone a LONG way since this thread started and talk was that "this will never be dumped, as it doesn't read out, and we'll never get our drive key, because it doesn't read out" congrats c4e.
just a reminder to everyone, the hard moderation of this thread is still in effect, and if anyone says "whats the eta on the firmware", i will rip your vocal chords out
Post by: offtopic on November 16, 2008, 11:20:00 AM
QUOTE
12.<c4eva > No ETA, liteon is over !
c4eva - Best Of The Best
Post by: Reaper527 on November 16, 2008, 07:44:00 PM
http://www.xboxhacke...p?topic=10619.0
we'll see what happens
Post by: chonzy on November 16, 2008, 08:21:00 PM
C4EVA GOGOGO!
Post by: BombTester on November 16, 2008, 09:59:00 PM
Post by: flow on November 17, 2008, 12:32:00 AM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Nov 17 2008, 04:20 AM) 
unfortunately, the guys as xboxhacker seem to think that last quote was a fake.
http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?topic=10619.0
we'll see what happens
Well I was in the irc channwl when this was said so it is true and I don't know what this guy used to check that theese ppl were not there when that was said but he sure either doesnt know how to use it properly or he's just a n00bish n00bster a hole!
Post by: Surazal on November 17, 2008, 12:38:00 AM
QUOTE(flow @ Nov 17 2008, 09:08 AM)
Well I was in the irc channwl when this was said so it is true and I don't know what this guy used to check that theese ppl were not there when that was said but he sure either doesnt know how to use it properly or he's just a n00bish n00bster a hole!
I love all these new people who just join, can't produce good logs, don't know the names of regulars in the channels come claiming this crud. Funny stuff. You were there? Show a nice timestamped log, on what date? Guarantee none of these 1 post just joined wonders can produce such a beast, but plenty of regulars can produce contrary data.
Post by: theurn15 on November 17, 2008, 01:18:00 AM
QUOTE(Surazal @ Nov 17 2008, 09:14 AM)
I love all these new people who just join, can't produce good logs, don't know the names of regulars in the channels come claiming this crud. Funny stuff. You were there? Show a nice timestamped log, on what date? Guarantee none of these 1 post just joined wonders can produce such a beast, but plenty of regulars can produce contrary data.
Okay buddies still there's no evident to deny or confirm the logs, but you know
Guys previous logs for c4eva had the same format
Post by: OggyUK on November 17, 2008, 04:42:00 AM
1.<+AGP22> c4eva is here dudes !
2.<+jam11> so c4eva do we have a new fw!
3.<+AGP22> yeah c4eva the world is starving for your creativity.
4.<+c4eva > ok so gr8 news riet lol AGP22 gives the best blowjobs in town
5.<+AGP22> do you mean it.
6.<+c4eva > yes !
7.<+jam11> so what next ?
8.<+c4eva > big party yesterday. jam11's mouth. everyone was cumming!
9.<+AGP22> can you give us an eta!
10.<+jam11> yeah please give us an eta!
11.<+AGP22> well!!.
12.<+c4eva > No ETA, AGP22 is the best at giving head!
Note, I gave everone voice as the channel would clearly be +m with all the noobs in town.
Cant we just lock this thread already?
**Edit**
No point, they'll just start another 5.
This post has been edited by OggyUK: Nov 17 2008, 12:46 PM
Post by: adrianeitor92 on November 17, 2008, 12:45:00 PM
QUOTE(BombTester @ Nov 17 2008, 06:35 AM)
They said on Team Xecuter Thatnext week solderless way to get key through sata next week Posted by a Moderator
Can you give me the link of the thread?
Sorry for my english, I'm spanish
Post by: flow on November 17, 2008, 06:20:00 PM
QUOTE(Surazal @ Nov 17 2008, 09:14 AM)
I love all these new people who just join, can't produce good logs, don't know the names of regulars in the channels come claiming this crud. Funny stuff. You were there? Show a nice timestamped log, on what date? Guarantee none of these 1 post just joined wonders can produce such a beast, but plenty of regulars can produce contrary data.
Hey Surazal, look at my join date you ass.
I never felt the need to post before, this deserves a flame?
I don't enjoy speaking for no reason. You should do the same!
Post by: theurn15 on November 18, 2008, 01:46:00 AM
1.<DCP> c4eva now u have teh controller chip stripped down have u been able to read the fw off it
2.<c4eva> soon, work is progressing
3.<DCP> nice work
4.<kolor> c4eva if u r able to read fw off it, does it means that fw is identical on all liteons, and we all can erase current/write hacked one to our liteons using software
5.* Ivory21 has joined #Stealth360
6.* Ivory21 has quit IRC (Connection closed )
7.<DCP> i think u will need to read the key and spoof off then write it back with a ix fw
8. GeorgeJ has joined #Stealth360
9.<kolor> yeah def need a spoof+key
10.<c4eva> yes, but key must still be dumped, but once fw is read, will look for other holes, software erase/write already done
11.<c4eva> a team of people being working on it
12.<c4eva> once we have fw, and create ixtreme, you just put your key in and flash back!
13.<c4eva> once we have fw, will look for easy way to get key
14.<c4eva> via sata if possible
15.<c4eva> yes, it will be easier than benq
16.<DCP> was it acid dipped c4eva
17.<DCP> or just heat
18.<c4eva> yes, very hard to get type
19.<c4eva> they think either terrorist or hitman
20.<c4eva> important thing is flash is still intact, including wires
21.<DCP> can u read the flash direct now
22.<DCP> or are teh point not on the board to let u do that
23.<DCP> points*
24.<c4eva> thats the idea, move wires to external pins if necessary
25.<c4eva> attach direct to flash, no need for the controller
26.<c4eva> wires will be re-routed to external pins
27.<c4eva> bit of a cheap ass solution, just putting the flash on top like that!
28.<votality> c4eva do you think the next step will be embedded flash
29.<c4eva> upon researching, there are more secure designs, yes
Post by: plugin on November 18, 2008, 05:43:00 AM
This post has been edited by plugin: Nov 18 2008, 01:44 PM
Post by: Tscare on November 18, 2008, 12:07:00 PM
[09:09] <brandogg> c4eva is here dudes
[09:09] <BlOoDy> hey c4eva.
[09:09] <Crazziee> hey,so hows the lite on work going?
[09:09] <Genesis> iv heard youve finnished it...
[09:09] <c4eva>well,yeah like iv said in the other convo with jam11 and agp 22
[09:10] <xman>are YOU SERIOUS?
[09:10] * ts1234 has joined #fw
[09:11] <Genesis>omg,so we can hack it now?
[09:11] <c4eva>no not yet it still needs modification
[09:11] <xman> how long do u think itll take ?
[09:12] <c4eva> about like 2 weeks or so...maybe less
[09:12] <Crazziee>c4eva your the bomb man
[09:12] <BlOoDy>you are a miricle worker man
[09:13] <c4eva> thanks,ill try getting it read before thou.
[09:15] <xman>will it be easier to hack than benq
[09:16] <c4eva> yes it will
c4eva rules
Post by: djekl on November 18, 2008, 02:16:00 PM
if its tru gr8. i will have my new 360 modded b4 xmas lol
gutted bout my old 1 getting banned
Post by: kolor9 on November 18, 2008, 02:41:00 PM
QUOTE(Tscare @ Nov 18 2008, 09:43 PM)
dudes i think that dude who gave us the mircale notes wasent lying after all....
[09:09] <brandogg> c4eva is here dudes
[09:09] <BlOoDy> hey c4eva.
[09:09] <Crazziee> hey,so hows the lite on work going?
[09:09] <Genesis> iv heard youve finnished it...
[09:09] <c4eva>well,yeah like iv said in the other convo with jam11 and agp 22
[09:10] <xman>are YOU SERIOUS?
[09:10] * ts1234 has joined #fw
[09:11] <Genesis>omg,so we can hack it now?
[09:11] <c4eva>no not yet it still needs modification
[09:11] <xman> how long do u think itll take ?
[09:12] <c4eva> about like 2 weeks or so...maybe less
[09:12] <Crazziee>c4eva your the bomb man
[09:12] <BlOoDy>you are a miricle worker man
[09:13] <c4eva> thanks,ill try getting it read before thou.
[09:15] <xman>will it be easier to hack than benq
[09:16] <c4eva> yes it will
c4eva rules
mmm there must be something wrong with ur irc client lol
one sentence with space after nickname, another one - without
doh, so obvious, stop it
Post by: Reaper527 on November 18, 2008, 07:12:00 PM
QUOTE
[10:47am] -[n00b441]- listen
[10:47am] -[n00b441]- an user
[10:47am] -[n00b441]- posts
[10:47am] -[n00b441]- in xboxscene
[10:47am] -[n00b441]- that this morning
[10:47am] -[n00b441]- was a chat
[10:47am] -[n00b441]- with
[10:47am] -[n00b441]- c4eva
[10:47am] -[n00b441]- anyboy has see this chat?
[10:47am] -[n00b441]- maybe is fake..
[10:47am] -[n00b441]- dude..
[10:48am] -[n00b441]- nobody?
[10:49am] ---- GuTTerCAT has quit IRC () ----
[10:49am] -[caster420]- not fake
[10:51am] -[n00b441]- you saw this conversation?
[10:51am] -[n00b441]- sorry for my english I'm spanish...
[10:51am] -[caster420]- no - i know its not fake
[10:51am] -[n00b441]- how?
[10:52am] -[n00b441]- I know that c4eva is still working, but the people posts fakes...
[10:52am] -[caster420]- just trust me, what was posted in that thread is true
[10:52am] -[n00b441]- ok
[10:55am] -[NoRemorse]- what thread?
[10:56am] -[caster420]- http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=666816
[10:56am] -[NoRemorse]- ty
[10:56am] -[caster420]- np
[10:59am] -[n00b441]- baut at the moment nobody saw this conversation
[10:59am] -[n00b441]- but
[10:59am] -[caster420]- lol
[11:00am] -[caster420]- either take my word for it or keep looking for someone who was in the channel when he wrote that
i personally trust caster, so lets just wait and see what happens.
This post has been edited by Reaper527: Nov 19 2008, 03:19 AM
Post by: theurn15 on November 19, 2008, 02:57:00 AM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Nov 19 2008, 03:48 AM)
i hate to add more to the log confusion, but i checked my personal logs from the #xbox-scene channel, and saw this
i personally trust caster, so lets just wait and see what happens.
I don't know why they closed the thread
withought a clear evidentThey are just guessing , no body here knows c4eva so how did they
Figure that it's fake ?! only c4eva confirm that , but the post looks logical to me !
Post by: falefa on November 19, 2008, 10:29:00 AM
QUOTE(adrianeitor92 @ Nov 17 2008, 09:21 PM)
Can you give me the link of the thread?
Sorry for my english, I'm spanish
http://team-xecuter........8236&page=2
hope this helps
Post by: samuels on November 19, 2008, 02:18:00 PM
QUOTE(gentetsu @ Nov 20 2008, 12:19 AM)
I have uncovered some posts which seem very awkward to me. Not sure if they are legit or not but i thought i would register on this forum and post it up to see what you guys thought of it.
Like most of you, i myself have had the worst luck and scored myself a lite on drive. Everyday i google to see if it has become hackable only to disappoint myself, so i am pretty much losing hope.
Anyway, here is what i found and i have provided a link please let me know what you think.
First post made by DJXP on November 16 2008:
I am still not allowed to mention certain things, but those especially with a liteon drive wait, do not do the drive swaps. You will be glad you waited.
We will be doing the liteon in approx 1-2 weeks time and it won't be like any method that anyone is using currently.
Second post made by DJXP on November 16 2008:
Im not quite sure about that post, but something along those lines yes. no swapping will be needed.
Basically extract the liteon keys, run the app, and then write it back. Its still a pain in the ass to do but better than swapping etc and it'll bring down costs since no other drive is needed. I've been told 1-2 weeks is the eta. (this is from what I understand anyways, I haven't been given the stuff to test with personally yet).
Source: http://www.redflagde...r...007&page=10
I can only hope this DJXP isn't going to be like those IRC chat log posts, giving us hope only to crush it.
Yes you are right...but from what i have been told there has been no ETA given as yet...as far as i know it is all speculatation the release dates...we just have to wait for the team to do their job.
Post by: Fuel90 on November 19, 2008, 03:09:00 PM
QUOTE
I have heard from "other" unpublic sources that the drive has been hacked
Team modfreekz also have announced that very soon the hack will be public..
XS will get that info later... when its all been verified working..
Team modfreekz also have announced that very soon the hack will be public..
XS will get that info later... when its all been verified working..
Post by: samuels on November 19, 2008, 03:20:00 PM
QUOTE(Fuel90 @ Nov 20 2008, 09:45 AM)
I have been told my another site admin:
yes it has been hacked...final touches have to be made and complete testing is required,although as with anything i'm sure there has been some teething problems.
Post by: gentetsu on November 19, 2008, 11:41:00 PM
QUOTE(samuels @ Nov 19 2008, 11:56 PM)
yes it has been hacked...final touches have to be made and complete testing is required,although as with anything i'm sure there has been some teething problems.
Thanks everyone for all your input - i was skeptic to post the info at first fearing a ban but i am glad i did now. It is very good to hear things are almost nearing the end for us lite on players. Thanks again.
Post by: dangerpaki on November 20, 2008, 02:42:00 AM
QUOTE(gentetsu @ Nov 19 2008, 02:19 PM)
I have uncovered some posts which seem very awkward to me. Not sure if they are legit or not but i thought i would register on this forum and post it up to see what you guys thought of it.
Like most of you, i myself have had the worst luck and scored myself a lite on drive. Everyday i google to see if it has become hackable only to disappoint myself, so i am pretty much losing hope.
[...]
Source: http://www.redflagde...r...007&page=10
I can only hope this DJXP isn't going to be like those IRC chat log posts, giving us hope only to crush it.
judging from the following
Join Date: Apr 14th, 2002
Location: Maple or Concord - Near Vaughan Mills Mall - Proud RFD Sponsor ~ Hwy 7 & Jane
Posts: 3,952
i don't think this guy is just talking bullcrap.
this means we're finally gonna get the hack YEAH!!!!
this calls for a party on the NXE
Post by: gentetsu on November 20, 2008, 03:50:00 AM
QUOTE(dangerpaki @ Nov 20 2008, 11:18 AM)
judging from the following
Join Date: Apr 14th, 2002
Location: Maple or Concord - Near Vaughan Mills Mall - Proud RFD Sponsor ~ Hwy 7 & Jane
Posts: 3,952
i don't think this guy is just talking bullcrap.
this means we're finally gonna get the hack YEAH!!!!
this calls for a party on the NXE
I thought it was very trustworthy at first glance but i also had doubts after all those logs. If i dig up anything new and seems trustworthy i will post here so we can all keep up to date.
Post by: dangerpaki on November 20, 2008, 04:15:00 AM
QUOTE(gentetsu @ Nov 20 2008, 12:26 PM)
I thought it was very trustworthy at first glance but i also had doubts after all those logs. If i dig up anything new and seems trustworthy i will post here so we can all keep up to date.
yeah but those logs were from irc chat, not from a forum. this seems very promising and as we all know it was just a matter of time this thing would be hacked. we might here something in the coming weeks.
Post by: pacmanshome on November 20, 2008, 05:17:00 AM
We all have a pattern in our sentences and wording..
regards
Pac;)
Post by: Kijoki on November 20, 2008, 06:11:00 AM
QUOTE(dangerpaki @ Nov 20 2008, 10:18 AM)
judging from the following
Join Date: Apr 14th, 2002
Location: Maple or Concord - Near Vaughan Mills Mall - Proud RFD Sponsor ~ Hwy 7 & Jane
Posts: 3,952
i don't think this guy is just talking bullcrap.
this means we're finally gonna get the hack YEAH!!!!
this calls for a party on the NXE
On a forum which covers 'redflagdeals', ie cheap deals for Canadian residents.
If the dude was on a reputable hacking site it would have been a bit more convincing
Post by: ViNCe_V on November 20, 2008, 10:56:00 AM
I'm not saying xbox-scene will be the very first to know, but word will be on here the same day a firmware mod is available.
Thanks to all the folks working hard trying to figure this out
Post by: djekl on November 20, 2008, 12:40:00 PM
QUOTE(ViNCe_V @ Nov 20 2008, 06:32 PM)
There's a reason everyone comes to places like xbox-scene and related sites, because you can rely on the information. Just wait for an official statement rather than relying on random places and rumors.
I'm not saying xbox-scene will be the very first to know, but word will be on here the same day a firmware mod is available.
Thanks to all the folks working hard trying to figure this out
I second that
Keep up the good work guys.
Post by: tekdemon on November 20, 2008, 10:02:00 PM
QUOTE(Kijoki @ Nov 20 2008, 02:47 PM)
On a forum which covers 'redflagdeals', ie cheap deals for Canadian residents.
If the dude was on a reputable hacking site it would have been a bit more convincing
Yeah but the guy works at a modshop in Toronto...I know nowadays anybody can mod their own 360 but back in the day you pretty much had to go to a sketchy video game shop in a Chinatown somewhere to get modded (or buy those crazy add-on devices I remember for the NES/SNES). Since it's so legally problematic most US places don't really mod much anymore, but in Canada the DMCA doesn't apply so...
Anyways point is, some of those video game shop people have been modding stuff for a long, long, time so they probably know a lot more legitimate info (and they do buy all those modchips so they know their suppliers). I doubt he would say he could do the mod in 2 weeks if it wasn't going to be possible.
Post by: xboxbman on November 21, 2008, 05:10:00 AM
QUOTE(gentetsu @ Nov 21 2008, 04:25 AM)
I sent a pm to DJXP the day i posted the post above and received a reply as listed below:
Quote:
Originally Posted by gentetsu
Hello
I just stumbled upon your post for lite on on Xbox 360 and i wanted to ask you a few questions. How can you be so sure that within 1 to 2 weeks we would be able to flash lite ons? Are you currently working on the flash or did you hear this from a source? If you heard it from a source are they reliable?
I hope i am not being pushy for info but after being hit with high hopes from a few IRC log posts i am in doubt of lite ons ever being flashed. To the point i was just wanting to swap it for a samsung.
reliable source has told me of something being developed.
Well, that's all i need. I'm convinced.
Post by: PuttyPatrol on November 21, 2008, 05:21:00 AM
QUOTE(hardie @ Nov 21 2008, 06:07 AM)
It will be done when its done
Indeed..
Furthermore, give them (C4eva and the likes) the time to perfection the hack
. You dont want to get banned right after the initial release do you Now, for me its all the same! Because XBL is pretty much messed up atm anyway!!
Allot of error codes when trying to get something from marketplace or elsewhere !!!
rgds,
puttypatrol
Post by: BoNg420 on November 21, 2008, 05:57:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxbman @ Nov 21 2008, 07:46 AM)
Well, that's all i need. I'm convinced.
So you will believe someone who just joined that knows a reliable source. Nice.
Post by: djekl on November 21, 2008, 06:13:00 AM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Nov 21 2008, 01:33 PM)
So you will believe someone who just joined that knows a reliable source. Nice.
you both make gd points but at the end of the day only time will tell.
Persionally i'm just going to wait. Not try and find and bother the ppl who are doing the hacking for us but rather thank them when there done
Post by: xboxbman on November 21, 2008, 07:35:00 AM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Nov 21 2008, 08:33 AM)
So you will believe someone who just joined that knows a reliable source. Nice.
Let's try again:
[sarcasm] Well, that's all i need. I'm convinced.[/sarcasm]
Post by: gentetsu on November 21, 2008, 07:52:00 AM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Nov 21 2008, 02:33 PM)
So you will believe someone who just joined that knows a reliable source. Nice.
I never said i knew a reliable source. Please read my posts again - the guy who posted on the other forum is the person who has a reliable source, not me. Just because i joined recently does not mean that i am somewhat less intelligent than those who have posted more than me and does not mean i am trying to mislead people - note how i made my pm all in Italic and the reply (response) in Bold.
QUOTE(djekl @ Nov 21 2008, 02:49 PM)
you both make gd points but at the end of the day only time will tell.
Persionally i'm just going to wait. Not try and find and bother the ppl who are doing the hacking for us but rather thank them when there done
The fella did not in anyway find me bothersome, if he had found me bothersome he would never have replied to my pm.
Post by: derajenator on November 21, 2008, 08:06:00 AM
Post by: smu_ on November 21, 2008, 09:24:00 AM
QUOTE(derajenator @ Nov 21 2008, 05:42 PM)
Anyways what the hell is with this shit drifting away from technical discussion, AGAIN?
I agree that!
I bought week ago new xbox and yes, there is lite-on
and I´ve been wathcing this topic since I noticed there is lite-on, and every time when I see here is new post I´m almost shitting my pants because I´m waiting that someone tells that _this is the day_
But I believe that c4e and his team will soon release new FW. Just keeping thumbs up
Post by: djekl on November 21, 2008, 09:37:00 AM
QUOTE(gentetsu @ Nov 21 2008, 03:28 PM)
I never said i knew a reliable source. Please read my posts again - the guy who posted on the other forum is the person who has a reliable source, not me. Just because i joined recently does not mean that i am somewhat less intelligent than those who have posted more than me and does not mean i am trying to mislead people - note how i made my pm all in Italic and the reply (response) in Bold.
The fella did not in anyway find me bothersome, if he had found me bothersome he would never have replied to my pm.
that post wasn't directed at you. your pm was very polite and non pushy.
it was just a general comment, sorry if i offended you.
Post by: samuels on November 21, 2008, 03:03:00 PM
QUOTE(BoNg420 @ Nov 22 2008, 12:33 AM)
So you will believe someone who just joined that knows a reliable source. Nice.
And does that statement apply to me too ? look at my join date and how many posts. I keep myself updated regularly from the team themselves...just because it's the internet does not mean that some of us do actually know and speak to the team,we try to keep people like you up to date as we like sharing and not moan at people for giving out false hopes like you are doing...a certain poster in here knows of some credible knowledge that i passed on to ....i will tell you this.. work is progressing,no ETA at this stage as work is still being done ...so from that i am only assuming that teething problems are being sorted out,as with everything, you encounter a few problems that need working out.
Post by: PuttyPatrol on November 21, 2008, 04:04:00 PM
QUOTE(dangerpaki @ Nov 21 2008, 03:16 PM)
you mean you are banned?
Where did I say, I wos banned !?
QUOTE(dangerpaki @ Nov 21 2008, 03:16 PM)
that's true that's the shitty part about the NXE, if you are banned all you get is all those error codes when trying to download pictures and all that crap that is now in your main menu. just another way to irritate people and make them buy a new xbox when they are banned.
uhm.. getting XBL errors isnt ALL About BANNHAMMERS dangerpaki !! If it wos, i woudnt be connected at all! Let alone checking marketplace and such !
And again, i havent said anything about my console beeing banned!! How coud they have banned me anyway? ? My box isnt even modded "yet"! And if i ever were banned i DEFINITELY woud NOT buy another xbox just for that !
rgds,
puttypatrol
Post by: Tscare on November 22, 2008, 03:06:00 AM
i just hope i can do it myself.
plz people write about it,is it software duable or i have to get tools"?
anywayz
im looking forward to playing my backed up merceineres 2 game
did c4eva confirm that it can be done with sata cables?
thankx
Post by: MickRick on November 22, 2008, 04:40:00 AM
QUOTE(Tscare @ Nov 22 2008, 10:42 AM)
plz people write about it,is it software duable or i have to get tools"?
Idiot. Nobody knows. Idiot.
QUOTE(Tscare @ Nov 22 2008, 10:42 AM)
anywayz
im looking forward to playing my backed up merceineres 2 game
im looking forward to playing my backed up merceineres 2 game
Why, what's wrong with the original you own?
QUOTE(Tscare @ Nov 22 2008, 10:42 AM)
did c4eva confirm that it can be done with sata cables?
thankx
thankx
Yet another reason why this thread should be nuked.
Post by: samuels on November 22, 2008, 05:40:00 AM
QUOTE(Tscare @ Nov 22 2008, 09:42 PM)
guyz the said time is 1 more week....
i just hope i can do it myself.
plz people write about it,is it software duable or i have to get tools"?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
anywayz
im looking forward to playing my backed up merceineres 2 game (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
did c4eva confirm that it can be done with sata cables?
thankx (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
your source ? to the best of my knowledge c4eva hasn't confirmed anything as of yet.
Post by: Tscare on November 22, 2008, 08:08:00 AM
QUOTE(samuels @ Nov 22 2008, 04:40 PM)
your source ? to the best of my knowledge c4eva hasn't confirmed anything as of yet.
well.
the people with c4eva have confirmed it...
more than 3
and for the guy who posted above
my origional mercieneres 2 game is scratched and its crap
do not buy mercieneres 2 it need a fricken update
Post by: Johnny HugeButt on November 24, 2008, 06:54:00 AM
* |idigital has joined #fw
* loopie has left #fw
<c4eva> more liteon successes, work continues!
Thats all...after stating that C4e went into silent mode again. Good news anyway
JH
Post by: Tscare on November 24, 2008, 06:59:00 AM
QUOTE(Johnny HugeButt @ Nov 24 2008, 05:54 PM)
Taken from #fw just a few minutes ago
* |idigital has joined #fw
* loopie has left #fw
<c4eva> more liteon successes, work continues!
Thats all...after stating that C4e went into silent mode again. Good news anyway
JH
oh i know it
i know it all before u guyz
my freind in xbox scene is c4evas freind and he told me that yesterday they have finished dumping the fw
guys i want u all to join together and point the f finger to microsofts failed attemp to stop us from hacking
summels also said that u will need a vga cable and a cv3 :S
oh well at least its modifiable
(ill let someone do it for me)anywayz
so just no that its the end for lite on crap
Post by: stealthplayer on November 24, 2008, 09:26:00 AM
maybe it's was said right now... i'll go there...
This post has been edited by stealthplayer: Nov 24 2008, 05:27 PM
Post by: Walk94 on November 24, 2008, 09:39:00 AM
Post by: stealthplayer on November 24, 2008, 10:06:00 AM
Post by: stealthplayer on November 24, 2008, 11:10:00 AM
Post by: allenofmn on November 24, 2008, 11:31:00 AM
QUOTE(stealthplayer @ Nov 24 2008, 11:06 AM)
does anyone knows how are they reading the fw? i already made this question in another topic.. but it was closed..
QUOTE(stealthplayer @ Nov 24 2008, 12:10 PM)
i'm quite curious about it.. they could show us how are they doing it.. since the controller wont allow total memory access..
Well... since people can't be bothered to read earlier posts.....
The chip was dipped in acid, which revealed that the flash was attached to the chip and not directly embedded.
With the exposed flash, the idea was to pull the firmware off it but reading the flash directly with a flash reader, that was the last time a significant update has been posted by the team working on it.
Post by: stealthplayer on November 24, 2008, 12:14:00 PM
Post by: Reaper527 on November 24, 2008, 11:48:00 AM
QUOTE(stealthplayer @ Nov 24 2008, 11:26 AM)
shouldn't <c4eva> be like this: <+c4eva>?
it depends on what irc client they are using, and the way it was configured. in my personal script, i have it do -[ username ]- and the username is color coded to show voice/op/etc. some people have the <> but have it not display the symbol.
i wouldn't say fake based off something minor like that.
Post by: stealthplayer on November 24, 2008, 12:26:00 PM
Post by: samuels on November 24, 2008, 01:37:00 PM
QUOTE(Walk94 @ Nov 25 2008, 03:39 AM)
... it's confirmed, and it can <c4eva>, if you are on irc2go you will see <c4eva>.
hahaha....
QUOTE(stealthplayer @ Nov 25 2008, 03:26 AM)
shouldn't <c4eva> be like this: <+c4eva>? i'd been on #fw all night and haven't seen nothing..
maybe it's was said right now... i'll go there...
I take it you don't read the channels rules...it says don't ask about lite -on in here ? #fw...
Post by: stealthplayer on November 24, 2008, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: samuels on November 24, 2008, 03:43:00 PM
QUOTE(stealthplayer @ Nov 25 2008, 09:36 AM)
please dont complicate the english.. i'm not that good.. lol are you talking about the #fw topic? it says "no lite on news" i know.. i didnt ask nothing there anyway.. i was just watching.. lol
no ...i meant the rules for that irc room(#fw) is don't ask for lite-on news or new 1.5 f/w:)
Post by: stealthplayer on November 24, 2008, 03:30:00 PM
if they need any help decapsulating the units.. i work in a dram campany.. and tsop's are abundants over here.. lol
Post by: samuels on November 24, 2008, 03:40:00 PM
QUOTE(stealthplayer @ Nov 25 2008, 10:06 AM)
then if i can help in anything just say
if they need any help decapsulating the units.. i work in a dram campany.. and tsop's are abundants over here.. lolI suppose it wouldn't hurt to ask,but i'm pretty sure they are covered
Post by: stealthplayer on November 24, 2008, 04:28:00 PM
Post by: Tscare on November 25, 2008, 09:55:00 AM
guys if we swap the lite on
and hack it then do we need to play it with vga cables or will it be ok without ?
Post by: allenofmn on November 25, 2008, 09:47:00 AM
QUOTE(stealthplayer @ Nov 24 2008, 05:28 PM)
you talked about they stuffed the thing in acid.. it's our destructive method to decapsulate units.. we also use a laser when we must not damage the unit.. maybe they tell us later how were the two dies connected.. if a custom leadframe or simple wires...
There are pictures of it somewhere.... it was just simple wires
QUOTE(Tscare @ Nov 25 2008, 10:55 AM)
ok....
guys if we swap the lite on
and hack it then do we need to play it with vga cables or will it be ok without ?
I think by "vga" you mean serial.......
The serial cable is only used to extract the key from the liteon drive because it can not yet be extracted over sata. The replacement drive will replace the drive and will not use serial at all.
Post by: Tscare on November 25, 2008, 10:27:00 AM
QUOTE(allenofmn @ Nov 25 2008, 09:23 PM)
There are pictures of it somewhere.... it was just simple wires
I think by "vga" you mean serial.......
The serial cable is only used to extract the key from the liteon drive because it can not yet be extracted over sata. The replacement drive will replace the drive and will not use serial at all.
by vga i mean moniter
my freind sumeuls who knows c4eva told me that for now the hack will require permanent vga cables ........PERMANENT :S
well because of thaT im jsut replacing my xbox 360 drive and make it a benq istead
good luck trying to hack the xbox 360 lite on drive unreadable
Post by: stealthplayer on November 25, 2008, 11:40:00 AM
thanks
Post by: Reaper527 on November 25, 2008, 11:39:00 AM
QUOTE(Tscare @ Nov 25 2008, 01:03 PM)
by vga i mean moniter
my freind sumeuls who knows c4eva told me that for now the hack will require permanent vga cables ........PERMANENT :S
well because of thaT im jsut replacing my xbox 360 drive and make it a benq istead
good luck trying to hack the xbox 360 lite on drive unreadable
plenty of people have replaced lite-on drives with benq drives without using vga cables. you and your friend are mistaken
Post by: samuels on November 25, 2008, 01:55:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Nov 26 2008, 06:15 AM)
plenty of people have replaced lite-on drives with benq drives without using vga cables. you and your friend are mistaken
You are mi-understanding what he is saying.....
yes people are replacing their drives with benq drives this is called spoofing as you may well know.
The VGA set up is the CK for extracting the key from the lite-on, well when the firmware is hackable/completed. this CK kit is designed for all drives but from what i understand the VGA connector is for the lit-on drive.
I don't know if you have seen this in any other forum they say "hang on to them lite-ons they are the best drive in the 360 so far"
take a look at the CK ...this is what he and i are talking about...i dare say you will need this to flash the lite-on when work has been done....
http://www.quantronics.com.au/products/XBO...nkitv3-pro.html
Post by: stealthplayer on November 25, 2008, 02:08:00 PM
if it needs a serial cable to flash the thing then let it have a serial cable.. who cares lol just flash!
PS: i dont think its possible to read whatever it is with your graphic card.. except the id of the display...
This post has been edited by stealthplayer: Nov 25 2008, 10:16 PM
Post by: samuels on November 25, 2008, 01:52:00 PM
QUOTE(stealthplayer @ Nov 26 2008, 08:08 AM)
are you sure its a vga cable... it looks like it is a serial cable.. connectors are very similar but one (vga) has 15pin (DB-15) and the other (serial/null modem) has 9 pin (DB-9)...
if it needs a serial cable to flash the thing then let it have a serial cable.. who cares lol just flash!
PS: i dont think its possible to read whatever it is with your graphic card.. except the id of the display...
Hmmmm can't see one in that pic can we....ohhh stop confusing me...lol...i did see a schematic with a VGA connector maybe it was for the onboard soldering ? on the drive board itself ?...maybe? to extract key
Post by: Mycah on November 25, 2008, 02:31:00 PM
DB9 (serial) connectors look similar to DB15 (VGA) but they aren't the same.
Post by: stealthplayer on November 25, 2008, 02:38:00 PM
what image?! quoted where?! lol i want to see it too! lol
This post has been edited by stealthplayer: Nov 25 2008, 10:39 PM
Post by: allenofmn on November 25, 2008, 02:32:00 PM
QUOTE(Tscare @ Nov 25 2008, 12:03 PM)
by vga i mean moniter
my freind sumeuls who knows c4eva told me that for now the hack will require permanent vga cables ........PERMANENT :S
well because of thaT im jsut replacing my xbox 360 drive and make it a benq istead
good luck trying to hack the xbox 360 lite on drive unreadable
I am going to say it again... just to be clear... you say vga, but you really mean serial.
for example
http://www.divineo.c...hb-360-xck3lite
The CK3 Lite... with an attached... what is it? RS-232 cable... aka SERIAL!
n00b
Post by: samuels on November 25, 2008, 02:56:00 PM
QUOTE(allenofmn @ Nov 26 2008, 09:08 AM)
I am going to say it again... just to be clear... you say vga, but you really mean serial.
for example
http://www.divineo.com/cgi-bin/div-us/hb-360-xck3lite
The CK3 Lite... with an attached... what is it? RS-232 cable... aka SERIAL!
n00b
Ok...just to clear things up..i think this might be my fault and i will try to clarify what iv'e been trying to say..
i just have to try and re-trace my steps...it's gone out of my history and i don't keep any "my favorites" shortcuts..
please accept my apoligies for my/any confusion...but i am sure i said it was an all in one CK and at this stage was only used for key extraction on the lite-on...
Ahhh yes i see the confusion...and i apoligise if i caused it
http://beta.ivancover.com/wiki/index.php/X...D2S_Extract_Key
This post has been edited by samuels: Nov 25 2008, 11:07 PM
Post by: stealthplayer on November 25, 2008, 03:28:00 PM
lol
Post by: samuels on November 25, 2008, 03:33:00 PM
QUOTE(stealthplayer @ Nov 26 2008, 10:04 AM)
no need for apologies, only you were confused
lolHmmm....thanks
.....lol
Post by: zita212 on November 25, 2008, 03:55:00 PM
QUOTE(Tscare @ Nov 25 2008, 07:03 PM)
by vga i mean moniter
my freind sumeuls who knows c4eva told me that for now the hack will require permanent vga cables ........PERMANENT :S
well because of thaT im jsut replacing my xbox 360 drive and make it a benq istead
good luck trying to hack the xbox 360 lite on drive unreadable
Unfortunately the bottom line of this is that Tscare and his "freind sumeuls who knows c4eva" do not actually know more than we know...
Post by: samuels on November 25, 2008, 04:01:00 PM
QUOTE(zita212 @ Nov 26 2008, 10:31 AM)
Unfortunately the bottom line of this is that Tscare and his "freind sumeuls who knows c4eva" do not actually know more than we know...
May be....maybe not...but please read posts before making comments like that,especially when i had the decency to apoligise for a possible confusion caused by me.
Post by: BlakTiger on November 25, 2008, 08:58:00 PM
It's a little quizz for everyone:
1. ¿Do you think we will see a Liteon firmware this year?
2. ¿Do you think we will be able to flash liteon drive as easy as the other drives.. or we will be needing some extra device like a CK and soldering points.. (once the firmware is ready)?
3. ¿Do you think we could see an easy key spoofing method this year?.. maybe some app in a USB memmory, some DVD prog.. or at least SATA cable...
If you can put your reasons with your answers that would be great.... I think reading our answers we could have a better picture of the situation... my 2 cents...
BTW.. Im a guy that just got an xbox elite with liteon drive 2 days ago
This post has been edited by BlakTiger: Nov 26 2008, 05:00 AM
Post by: samuels on November 25, 2008, 09:49:00 PM
QUOTE(BlakTiger @ Nov 26 2008, 03:34 PM)
I dont want to bother anyone but I find this interesting... and maybe constructive...
It's a little quizz for everyone:
1. ¿Do you think we will see a Liteon firmware this year?
2. ¿Do you think we will be able to flash liteon drive as easy as the other drives.. or we will be needing some extra device like a CK and soldering points.. (once the firmware is ready)?
3. ¿Do you think we could see an easy key spoofing method this year?.. maybe some app in a USB memmory, some DVD prog.. or at least SATA cable...
If you can put your reasons with your answers that would be great.... I think reading our answers we could have a better picture of the situation... my 2 cents...
BTW.. Im a guy that just got an xbox elite with liteon drive 2 days ago
1.yes...excellent source
2.yes ..excellent source
3.yes....http://www.quantronics.com.au/products/XBOX-360/modchips/connectivity-kit-v3-pro_xbox360-conkitv3-pro.html..(if i am understanding this CK gadet...i don't want to start another confusion frenzy again
)
Post by: dangerpaki on November 26, 2008, 02:23:00 AM
QUOTE(BlakTiger @ Nov 26 2008, 05:34 AM)
I dont want to bother anyone but I find this interesting... and maybe constructive...
It's a little quizz for everyone:
1. ¿Do you think we will see a Liteon firmware this year?
2. ¿Do you think we will be able to flash liteon drive as easy as the other drives.. or we will be needing some extra device like a CK and soldering points.. (once the firmware is ready)?
3. ¿Do you think we could see an easy key spoofing method this year?.. maybe some app in a USB memmory, some DVD prog.. or at least SATA cable...
If you can put your reasons with your answers that would be great.... I think reading our answers we could have a better picture of the situation... my 2 cents...
BTW.. Im a guy that just got an xbox elite with liteon drive 2 days ago
what I think is not the truth. it's my opinion. and so it is for the most of us who will give their views by answering your questions. if we had the knowledge ourselves to answer these questions than we wouldn;t be here but we would be hacking the drive ourselve.
Post by: MickRick on November 26, 2008, 02:24:00 AM
1. Why, after all this time, are we starting to see noobies on here that claim to have access, direct or indirect, to the most elusive character in 360dom, and insight into his (or her) hacking skills?
Post by: Johnny HugeButt on November 26, 2008, 02:44:00 AM
QUOTE(MickRick @ Nov 26 2008, 11:00 AM)
Here's a very short quiz:
1. Why, after all this time, are we starting to see noobies on here that claim to have access, direct or indirect, to the most elusive character in 360dom, and insight into his (or her) hacking skills?
Well,
maybe because those n00bs know how to find their way into #fw and maybe the big man speaks on main there from time to time. Thats how i got 'access' without claiming insight into his (or her) hacking skills.
Maybe YOU are the noob here?
JH
Post by: flash360 on November 26, 2008, 07:01:00 AM
until they can release their own crap, and they they turn round and say oh sorry I was confused you still need to buy the crap so why not buy ours. Just my opinion, I dont claim to have any confirmation of this, and I dont claim to know C4E.
Post by: calloused labia on November 26, 2008, 07:21:00 AM
What happened to this place? Most of the members capable of helping have been "(T)scared" off by a new level of newb retardation that has taken xbs by storm.
No offense guys... just sayin'
This post has been edited by calloused labia: Nov 26 2008, 03:32 PM
Post by: BlakTiger on November 26, 2008, 09:37:00 AM
Post by: Tscare on November 26, 2008, 11:10:00 AM
QUOTE(calloused labia @ Nov 26 2008, 06:57 PM)
Are you kidding me? Tscare and samuels can barely string together a sentence. I doubt either one could figure out how to use an IRC client. And if they managed to get into one of the channels with the help of somebody over 14 they would most likely be banned in a matter of minutes.
What happened to this place? Most of the members capable of helping have been "(T)scared" off by a new level of newb retardation that has taken xbs by storm.
No offense guys... just sayin'
shut up,look whos talking instead of joining in the chat about lite on u talk about the king and samuels
well samuels knows c4eva u dip .....
and for ur information everything samuels said came 3 hours after anyother site so shutup
and oh yeah sorry guys i was told it was a vga
[/b]and collapsed label ur no better than a noob
Post by: BoNg420 on November 26, 2008, 11:14:00 AM
QUOTE(calloused labia @ Nov 26 2008, 09:57 AM)
Are you kidding me? Tscare and samuels can barely string together a sentence. I doubt either one could figure out how to use an IRC client. And if they managed to get into one of the channels with the help of somebody over 14 they would most likely be banned in a matter of minutes.
What happened to this place? Most of the members capable of helping have been "(T)scared" off by a new level of newb retardation that has taken xbs by storm.
No offense guys... just sayin'
The people posting stupid shit like fake logs or info, are just forum trolls, not noobs. They just want to mess with people and piss em off.
Anyway there is to much off topic trash being posted here. If you need help with liteon drives, then post in the other liteon topic.
This topic will be closed for now.