Post by: hotrodxlr8r on November 23, 2007, 05:48:00 PM
the last 4 consoles ive flashed have all gone tits-up and have the dreaded 3 red lights after 2 weeks use !
I have been using the latest firmware ixtreme for samsung and latest Frimware Toolbox for Hitachi.
Have i missed some important bit of news about this... or is there a M$ update thats killing consoles ??
kinda weird that the other 20 consoles i did are all fine (with old firmware)...?
any help appreciated.
xlr8r
Post by: the soul poet on November 24, 2007, 04:43:00 AM
After two weeks got the 3ROD and a fairly new console manufacturer date it was. I opened her up and replaced X-clamps and AS5 and been great ever since.
I have no idea if fw related as I don't think it's possible but you did 4 of them?
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This post has been edited by the soul poet: Nov 24 2007, 12:44 PM
Post by: hotrodxlr8r on November 24, 2007, 04:46:00 AM
QUOTE(the soul poet @ Nov 24 2007, 11:43 AM) 
You know funny enough my latest box died 2 weeks after flashing. It is a Samsung MS28 inside.
After two weeks got the 3ROD and a fairly new console manufacturer date it was. I opened her up and replaced X-clamps and AS5 and been great ever since.
I have no idea if fw related as I don't think it's possible but you did 4 of them?
Hi,
i believe the very last one i did was a samsung m25. I remember when i was reading the orig.bin/hacked.bin from the drive, and then looking at it with Firmware Toolbox, Hacked.bin was reported as being a ms28 ?? i had to spoof it back to ms25 again before flahing back to the drive. I hope i did the right thing...?
Ever had that happen ?
Post by: waytoodeep03 on November 24, 2007, 11:22:00 AM
Post by: Antman1 on November 24, 2007, 10:51:00 AM
QUOTE(hotrodxlr8r @ Nov 24 2007, 01:22 PM)
Hi,
i believe the very last one i did was a samsung m25. I remember when i was reading the orig.bin/hacked.bin from the drive, and then looking at it with Firmware Toolbox, Hacked.bin was reported as being a ms28 ?? i had to spoof it back to ms25 again before flahing back to the drive. I hope i did the right thing...?
Ever had that happen ?
You should be fine if the original firmware was ms25. You did the right thing. Good Job..
Post by: hotrodxlr8r on November 24, 2007, 01:51:00 PM
QUOTE(waytoodeep03 @ Nov 24 2007, 06:22 PM) 
did any of them have the new heatsink or benq drives?
no, none where the new console with old drives. they where all consoles over a year old, im pretty convinced there is a firmware issue here as eversince using the new ixtreme firmware this has been happening. looking around forums, i am not the only one either.
i see no reason for a hardware error when all these last few consoles have been working perfect for so long without a glich, but then 2 weeks after flashing....bang! ring-of-death (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Post by: shells344 on November 24, 2007, 01:57:00 PM
Post by: hotrodxlr8r on November 24, 2007, 01:32:00 PM
QUOTE(shells344 @ Nov 24 2007, 08:57 PM)
come on guy, firmware have notting to do with the rings of death, did you check the error codes cause if you got 0102 which 90% of all xbox360 die get then its a gpu error due to bad system design.
well, i would have considered 2 console's dying a coincidence...but not 4 in a row ... no way. all with ixtreme 1.2 or 1.3.
im wrecking my brain trying to think if im doing something different from before ixtreme, but just can figure out what.
i use the "boot with USB stick" using X360SAM with relevant .bat files and correct mtkflash for my chipset. flashing process is flawless every time, never any problems flashing.
maybe im using outdated techniques (so my wife keeps telling me !! LOL!!) , should i be using "iprep101" instead ? whats the most reliable method at the minute ? (and dont say, "missionary"! lol!)
Post by: Havok on November 24, 2007, 02:10:00 PM
Are you losening the heatsink screws when disssembling the box???
I suspect your method of opening the box is causing the problems.
Post by: hotrodxlr8r on November 24, 2007, 02:38:00 PM
QUOTE(Havok @ Nov 24 2007, 09:10 PM)
I agree with the other poster the firmware is not causing a hardware error...
Are you losening the heatsink screws when disssembling the box???
I suspect your method of opening the box is causing the problems.
Pleeeeease do not instult my intelligence. i have been modding consoles since the Playstation One came out.
i repair motherboards and build pc's , expert & soldering , could stick a passkey chip on a 79 drive blindfolded...not to blow my own trumpet, lol!.
i even posted my own gpu cooling method on youtube for those with 360 overheat issues.
so...no, i didnt bugger it up taking it apart. i use the proper tools for the job, i take my time and dont make mistakes.
Going to try using IPREP next time, just to try and prove my theory....
also, i have read umteen forums and there are others having the same problem after using ixtreme. therefore i am not the only one
This post has been edited by hotrodxlr8r: Nov 24 2007, 10:40 PM
Post by: Antman1 on November 24, 2007, 02:12:00 PM
QUOTE(hotrodxlr8r @ Nov 24 2007, 10:38 PM)
Pleeeeease do not instult my intelligence. i have been modding consoles since the Playstation One came out.
i repair motherboards and build pc's , expert & soldering , could stick a passkey chip on a 79 drive blindfolded...not to blow my own trumpet, lol!.
i even posted my own gpu cooling method on youtube for those with 360 overheat issues.
so...no, i didnt bugger it up taking it apart. i use the proper tools for the job, i take my time and dont make mistakes.
Going to try using IPREP next time, just to try and prove my theory....
also, i have read umteen forums and there are others having the same problem after using ixtreme. therefore i am not the only one
Post by: matallica28 on November 24, 2007, 04:36:00 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on November 24, 2007, 06:02:00 PM
That is like saying my car blew up because I fixed a dent in my car.
The two has nothing at all to do with each other.
Post by: woody98 on November 25, 2007, 03:53:00 AM
QUOTE(hotrodxlr8r @ Nov 24 2007, 10:38 PM)
Pleeeeease do not instult my intelligence. i have been modding consoles since the Playstation One came out.
i repair motherboards and build pc's , expert & soldering , could stick a passkey chip on a 79 drive blindfolded...not to blow my own trumpet, lol!.
i even posted my own gpu cooling method on youtube for those with 360 overheat issues.
so...no, i didnt bugger it up taking it apart. i use the proper tools for the job, i take my time and dont make mistakes.
Going to try using IPREP next time, just to try and prove my theory....
also, i have read umteen forums and there are others having the same problem after using ixtreme. therefore i am not the only one
Stop using the 12x speed firmware, use 8x or 5x (I recommend 5x). If ur customers want 12x, tell them "Do u want to wait an extra 3 seconds on load screen or buy a new console in a few weeks?"
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 25 2007, 02:02 AM)
How on earth can flashing a DVD drive have anything at all to do with the GPU overheating?
That is like saying my car blew up because I fixed a dent in my car.
The two has nothing at all to do with each other.
LOL Ummmmm....hmmmm.....I don't know....maybe because the DVD drive is directly on-top-of the GPU's heat sink?
Post by: itchy chode on November 25, 2007, 03:34:00 AM
QUOTE(woody98 @ Nov 25 2007, 08:53 PM)
Stop using the 12x speed firmware, use 8x or 5x (I recommend 5x). If ur customers want 12x, tell them "Do u want to wait an extra 3 seconds on load screen or buy a new console in a few weeks?"
LOL Ummmmm....hmmmm.....I don't know....maybe because the DVD drive is directly on-top-of the GPU's heat sink?
are you really retarded?
firmware is just code, it has nothing to do with overheating.
i'd say its just a case of really really bad luck.
Post by: hotrodxlr8r on November 25, 2007, 04:13:00 PM
QUOTE(itchy chode @ Nov 25 2007, 11:10 AM)
are you really retarded?
firmware is just code, it has nothing to do with overheating.
i'd say its just a case of really really bad luck.
mnnn. but doesnt the motherboard read info from the dvd drive and therefore use that to produce error codes for specific faults...? if so, then firmware has a LOT to do with 3 red lights ? ...just an idea.
Post by: the soul poet on November 26, 2007, 04:56:00 AM
QUOTE(hotrodxlr8r @ Nov 25 2007, 11:13 PM)
mnnn. but doesnt the motherboard read info from the dvd drive and therefore use that to produce error codes for specific faults...? if so, then firmware has a LOT to do with 3 red lights ? ...just an idea.
Yes it does but in my case fixing X-clamps restored it to glory and still running to this day (4 months or so).
I don't think its fw related just posted cause mine did the same after 2 weeks from flashing ixtreme 1.2 out of the box.
Post by: hotrodxlr8r on November 26, 2007, 10:32:00 AM
QUOTE(the soul poet @ Nov 26 2007, 12:32 PM)
Yes it does but in my case fixing X-clamps restored it to glory and still running to this day (4 months or so).
I don't think its fw related just posted cause mine did the same after 2 weeks from flashing ixtreme 1.2 out of the box.
ok, some new info which might just validate my theory.
i just got back one of the consoles with the 3red lights error. its an ms25 drive.
it was originally flashed using normal method from usb drive with ixtreme 1.3.
remember that when doing a ms25, the hacked firmware gets changed to ms28...?why is that anyway ??
...and hacked.bin was then spoofed back to an ms25 (since that was the original version). 2 weeks later, ring of death...ok.
ok, first things first. i dismantled this console and power up. 3red lights right away, ok.
now I powered down again and removed the sata plug from the back of teh drive and powered on again...
...NO RED LIGHTS this time...ok...mnnn dvd drive causing 3 red lights i suspect...?
So, i reflashed the orig.bin back on and rebooted console, hey presto! back in action again.
since i got that far, i reflashed again with the hacked.bin (this time using iprep usb pen and WITHOUT spoofing it back to ms25 , as yet again when using iprep the orig.bin ends up as an ms28...why ???)
so anyway, this drive is working again with whats reported as being ms28 hacked.bin.
so this really backs up my theory. i would love to hear from anyone who can test this out on their console.
i would also like someone to clarify if it is or isnt necessary for the hacked.bin (made from an ms25 that gets changed during the process to ms28) to be spoofed back to ms25 before flashing back to the drive.....?
comments please....
This post has been edited by hotrodxlr8r: Nov 26 2007, 06:34 PM
Post by: flash360 on November 26, 2007, 10:15:00 AM
As for your theory about the firmware givin the 3 red light's I really dont think so
I done 3 28's and 1 25 in the last couple of weeks, all 8x, and not had any complaints 
Also i'd like to say to those people who just give you abuse for sugestin it and talk like theyre c4e himself
Is it not your bedtime yet, santas watchin
Post by: hotrodxlr8r on November 26, 2007, 11:13:00 AM
QUOTE(flash360 @ Nov 26 2007, 05:51 PM)
The first Ixtreme had the option when creating the hacked bin, it would say sometin like "do you want to spoof as original drive model ms25 enter yes or no". This baffled some people and there was hundreds of posts askin what to do. As it does not matter when upgrading eg 25 to 28, they just left it out. The hacked firmware is based on the 28 that's why it will always show as a 28 and will need the 10 second trick even if it is spoofed as a 25. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
As for your theory about the firmware givin the 3 red light's I really dont think so (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I done 3 28's and 1 25 in the last couple of weeks, all 8x, and not had any complaints (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Also i'd like to say to those people who just give you abuse for sugestin it and talk like theyre c4e himself
Is it not your bedtime yet, santas watchin (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
cheers m8, thats clears things up a bit. im still a weeee bit sceptical about the firmware, but since i have only got one of the faulty consoles back so far , and working again. Until i get another one back , i wont know for certain.....ah...conspiracy theories...dont ya just love'em...lol!
and thanks for the backup on the "getting abuse for suggestin"..... some just like to believe they are GOD...lol!
Post by: XmodsUK on November 26, 2007, 11:57:00 AM
Post by: HotKnife420 on November 26, 2007, 12:02:00 PM
QUOTE(hotrodxlr8r @ Nov 26 2007, 06:32 PM)
ok, some new info which might just validate my theory.
i just got back one of the consoles with the 3red lights error. its an ms25 drive.
it was originally flashed using normal method from usb drive with ixtreme 1.3.
remember that when doing a ms25, the hacked firmware gets changed to ms28...?why is that anyway ??
...and hacked.bin was then spoofed back to an ms25 (since that was the original version). 2 weeks later, ring of death...ok.
ok, first things first. i dismantled this console and power up. 3red lights right away, ok.
now I powered down again and removed the sata plug from the back of teh drive and powered on again...
...NO RED LIGHTS this time...ok...mnnn dvd drive causing 3 red lights i suspect...?
So, i reflashed the orig.bin back on and rebooted console, hey presto! back in action again.
since i got that far, i reflashed again with the hacked.bin (this time using iprep usb pen and WITHOUT spoofing it back to ms25 , as yet again when using iprep the orig.bin ends up as an ms28...why ???)
so anyway, this drive is working again with whats reported as being ms28 hacked.bin.
so this really backs up my theory. i would love to hear from anyone who can test this out on their console.
i would also like someone to clarify if it is or isnt necessary for the hacked.bin (made from an ms25 that gets changed during the process to ms28) to be spoofed back to ms25 before flashing back to the drive.....?
comments please....
Ok, few things:
1) Don't worry about spoofing the sammys. Sometimes refurbs come out as an ms28, but still say ms25 on the dvd-drive. Check the orig f/w itself to make sure it's the same ver.
2) If the error *is* DVD related, you will only get 1 red light, and not 3. You will also see a black screen with text in numerous languages telling you to contact support, and a 2 digit number is displayed at the bottom of the screen.
3) If you flash for others, fix for others:
Arctic Silver: $8.95 @ CompUSA (enough to do about 10)
8 M5 machine screws: $2.16 (and leftovers)
16 fiber washers $3.76
16 zinc washers $2.88 (or less)
You should also have the following tools on hand:
Qtips
Rubbing alcohol
Pliers
T8 & T10 bits to open the case.
All in all, you're looking at about $10 in materials per-xbox that needs to be fixed. Charge whatever you want for your work; Most people do $50 for RROD fixes, and most people pay it without complaining (if you've got no warranty, $50 is a small price to pay to get your box back up and running).
Post by: hotrodxlr8r on November 27, 2007, 04:10:00 AM
QUOTE(HotKnife420 @ Nov 26 2007, 07:38 PM)
Ok, few things:
1) Don't worry about spoofing the sammys. Sometimes refurbs come out as an ms28, but still say ms25 on the dvd-drive. Check the orig f/w itself to make sure it's the same ver.
2) If the error *is* DVD related, you will only get 1 red light, and not 3. You will also see a black screen with text in numerous languages telling you to contact support, and a 2 digit number is displayed at the bottom of the screen.
3) If you flash for others, fix for others:
Arctic Silver: $8.95 @ CompUSA (enough to do about 10)
8 M5 machine screws: $2.16 (and leftovers)
16 fiber washers $3.76
16 zinc washers $2.88 (or less)
You should also have the following tools on hand:
Qtips
Rubbing alcohol
Pliers
T8 & T10 bits to open the case.
All in all, you're looking at about $10 in materials per-xbox that needs to be fixed. Charge whatever you want for your work; Most people do $50 for RROD fixes, and most people pay it without complaining (if you've got no warranty, $50 is a small price to pay to get your box back up and running).
hi, but if you read my post i mention that the 3 red lights went away if i unplugged the sata cable from the drive, once back in again 3 red lights came back. i did this a number of times to be sure. i even left the console on for 30 mins with it unplugged from the drive and still no faults. but once the sata cable went in again, back came the 3 red lights. so, yes the drive can give 3 red lights error.
re your thermal paste bit, i have a video already on youtube for sorting out the cpu & gpu cooling. i have it done on both my own consoles with a fan regulator and talismoon whisper quiet fans. the arctic 5 paste is a good job. i also have the internal air-ducts all taped-up around the edges to maintain max suction through the console. works very well. pity M$ didnt design their consoles alot better ...eh ? The passive coolers are adequate but there just isnt enough air driven through to do the job properly, on stock consoles.
thanks for info.
Post by: temporary_idiot on December 11, 2007, 04:30:00 AM
QUOTE(hotrodxlr8r @ Nov 27 2007, 12:10 PM)
hi, but if you read my post i mention that the 3 red lights went away if i unplugged the sata cable from the drive, once back in again 3 red lights came back. i did this a number of times to be sure. i even left the console on for 30 mins with it unplugged from the drive and still no faults. but once the sata cable went in again, back came the 3 red lights. so, yes the drive can give 3 red lights error.
re your thermal paste bit, i have a video already on youtube for sorting out the cpu & gpu cooling. i have it done on both my own consoles with a fan regulator and talismoon whisper quiet fans. the arctic 5 paste is a good job. i also have the internal air-ducts all taped-up around the edges to maintain max suction through the console. works very well. pity M$ didnt design their consoles alot better ...eh ? The passive coolers are adequate but there just isnt enough air driven through to do the job properly, on stock consoles.
thanks for info.
i just got a benq-console returned for causing 3rlod...
console was working fine when i flashed it, after flash worked like a charm...
I still need to see what the problem is.. weird thing is, this console just got back from M$ and had a new benq instead of sammy, and a new mobo.. it had the extra heatsink in there also...
so i dont think this would be the GPU since it has the new mobo...
Might be the 12x fw, since i flashed it that way, might have caused to heat up the GPU???!
I will check this evening and return back...
Post by: CHdude on December 11, 2007, 09:42:00 AM
QUOTE(Havok @ Nov 24 2007, 10:10 PM)
I agree with the other poster the firmware is not causing a hardware error...
I suspect your method of opening the box is causing the problems.
I would agree in that! Because the x360 is chap produced!
When u close your box, be careful NOT to push the Screws to hard! If u do, the whole motherboard gets "stretched" a little, thats whats might makes the ROD. Especially after u used it for hours. (Meanning the box was heated and cooled down several times)
sorry my bad english
Post by: Logi7 on December 11, 2007, 09:11:00 AM
firmware has NOTHING to do with RRoD
OP is dumb and should do cooling mods/xclamp preventively
Post by: CHdude on December 11, 2007, 10:29:00 AM
QUOTE(itchy chode @ Nov 25 2007, 12:10 PM)
are you really retarded?
firmware is just code, it has nothing to do with overheating.
i'd say its just a case of really really bad luck.
He isn't! Because if u us 12x speed the DVD-Rom spins faster, so it gets warmer (hotter) than if u us 5x!
That's physics! So if u use 5x it gets less hot in the box, but if that makes a difference in avoiding the ROD, i have to say I DONT KNOW.
And i have read, that M$ recently has changes something in the box. they put something between the dvd-drive and the Motherboard in newer xboxes, o so.. That may could be because of the heat which DVD drive produces.
Post by: mayonnaise on December 11, 2007, 10:37:00 AM
QUOTE(hotrodxlr8r @ Nov 24 2007, 04:38 PM)
Pleeeeease do not instult my intelligence. i have been modding consoles since the Playstation One came out.
i repair motherboards and build pc's , expert & soldering , could stick a passkey chip on a 79 drive blindfolded...not to blow my own trumpet, lol!.
i even posted my own gpu cooling method on youtube for those with 360 overheat issues.
so...no, i didnt bugger it up taking it apart. i use the proper tools for the job, i take my time and dont make mistakes.
Going to try using IPREP next time, just to try and prove my theory....
also, i have read umteen forums and there are others having the same problem after using ixtreme. therefore i am not the only one
If you were so great at this, I dont think you would have made this dense comment below
QUOTE(hotrodxlr8r @ Nov 24 2007, 07:22 AM)
Hi,
i believe the very last one i did was a samsung m25. I remember when i was reading the orig.bin/hacked.bin from the drive, and then looking at it with Firmware Toolbox, Hacked.bin was reported as being a ms28 ?? i had to spoof it back to ms25 again before flahing back to the drive. I hope i did the right thing...?
Ever had that happen ?
Like I said, someone with your 360 modding skill should have already known Ixtreme is based on the ms28 firmware and thus, duh, the original ms25 once hacked results in being a ms28.
Post by: flash360 on December 11, 2007, 01:06:00 PM
Post by: hotrodxlr8r on December 12, 2007, 06:06:00 PM
QUOTE(mayonnaise @ Dec 11 2007, 06:13 PM)
If you were so great at this, I dont think you would have made this dense comment below
Like I said, someone with your 360 modding skill should have already known Ixtreme is based on the ms28 firmware and thus, duh, the original ms25 once hacked results in being a ms28.
WOW KID!! you have toooOO much time on your hands whan all you do is cut & paste other peoples posts and then add your own little "one-liner's" after them. Im getting a vision of you sitting there in your grubby liittle jizm splattered bedroom, with 4 pc's and 8 screens and a sign on your door telling mummy & daddy to KEEP OUT...LOL!!
Why not try and be a little more on the way of...HELPFUL to others here instead of being a condescending little dweeb.
get a life man....
lol.... im outta here...lol these forums do make me laugh....lol
QUOTE(flash360 @ Dec 11 2007, 08:06 PM)
Whats the actual error code? 0102?
hi, you can get info on error codes here h**p://www.llamma.com/xbox360/repair/Xbox-360-error-codes.htm
not sure if i can post links here so just copy and paste the link in your browser replacing the ** with tt and your away.
Post by: mayonnaise on December 17, 2007, 02:34:00 PM
Of course all you could do was cut & paste my post and add your childish flame after it. My point still stands. You got all upset as if someone was insulting your intelligence when they were trying to help and then proceeded to boast about your modding skills after asking a question about a known fact of the newer xtreme firmwares.
Post by: djsoto on December 18, 2007, 10:36:00 PM
ANY IDEA on what to do?