Great job, got a question though...
Does BenQ iXtreme handle video sectors of backups the old Xtreme way (requires extra video layer) or the new iXtreme way (auto "SplitVid")?
Great news. Thanks alot.
One question though... If I choose to flash the "quiet" version, will the loadtime increase or still be the same?
I mean does the Benq read at 12X speed or is it just spinning at 12X while reading the data at 4X or what?
Maybe a stupid question, but if I don't ask I will never know, right?
/Chris.
QUOTE(SpaceBuddha @ Nov 6 2007, 09:25 AM)
Great news. Thanks alot.
One question though... If I choose to flash the "quiet" version, will the loadtime increase or still be the same?
I mean does the Benq read at 12X speed or is it just spinning at 12X while reading the data at 4X or what?
Maybe a stupid question, but if I don't ask I will never know, right?
/Chris.
It will be slower - there is no such thing as a free lunch 
waiting to hear some reviews and opinions on the fixed quiet FW...let us know guys!!
I don't think there's a high need for an extreme version as they both have the same options and also it will send people of track making multiple variations of backups.
Updated batch files are in the usual places or the link below. BENREADX and BENREMOX added for non-stealth firmware.
Only difference the quiet stuff and the ability to run unstealthed? If so (as i just run loud and stealthed) should i just stick with the last firmware?
Hi can someone explain simply unstealthed and stealthed,does it link with xbox live in other words not on xbox live or on xbox live.
So if i had an unstealthed backup i could not load this backup and use it on xbox live?
I am new to the forums but have read on here for a long time,just havent been folowing xbox360 in general because i have only just got one!
Many thanks
As far as firmwares go ,i think benq wise it would be better using the fast firmware as i find the benq is already slow at loading in standard form has anone else found this?
QUOTE(DeMoN_DARREN @ Nov 6 2007, 10:47 AM)
Only difference the quiet stuff and the ability to run unstealthed? If so (as i just run loud and stealthed) should i just stick with the last firmware?
If the sound of the drive doesn't bother you, i'd stick with it! There's no difference between the fast 1.1 and fast 1.1 rev2
QUOTE(rob7bt @ Nov 6 2007, 11:02 AM)
Hi can someone explain simply unstealthed and stealthed,does it link with xbox live in other words not on xbox live or on xbox live.
So if i had an unstealthed backup i could not load this backup and use it on xbox live?
I am new to the forums but have read on here for a long time,just havent been folowing xbox360 in general because i have only just got one!
Many thanks
As far as firmwares go ,i think benq wise it would be better using the fast firmware as i find the benq is already slow at loading in standard form has anone else found this?
you can use both on live, BUT the ixtreme firmware does NOT boot unstealth games (extra insurance) the Xtreme does, so if you want to play on live with it and you flash the xtreme firmware but accidently boot an unstealthed backup you might get banned!
Do I need to upgrade to this if I'm using the fast firmware for iXtreme Benq V1.1?
Is the only change the quiet firmware's read speed?
Thanks.
QUOTE(chroniXzero @ Nov 6 2007, 07:06 AM)
Do I need to upgrade to this if I'm using the fast firmware for iXtreme Benq V1.1?
No.
Caster.
somebody tried the new quiet fw ?
QUOTE(meir007 @ Nov 6 2007, 02:17 PM)
somebody tried the new quiet fw ?
I'm interested to know also, since I haven't modded my xbox yet as I don't have right chipset to do it (ICH7R here) and there are no VIA SATA cards that I can buy (in my country at least). I'd like to know how the quiet firmware performs in games so I could go to a friend and have it modded, but it's a hassle I'd like to do once, not once a week.
It boots non-stealth patched games? ... why?
Remember don't play backups on Live, MS don't accept in TOS neither do we...
QUOTE(comhen @ Nov 6 2007, 09:57 AM)
I don't think there's a high need for an extreme version as they both have the same options and also it will send people of track making multiple variations of backups.
I've read through various forums where people have complained that they don't use Live/banned from Live. They don't want to have to reburn games which aren't patched.
yes thanks C4E
please is the XTREME Firmware Quiet or Slow because i can't choose
This post has been edited by jok: Nov 6 2007, 04:42 PM
QUOTE(h0stile @ Nov 6 2007, 07:27 AM)
I'm interested to know also, since I haven't modded my xbox yet as I don't have right chipset to do it (ICH7R here) and there are no VIA SATA cards that I can buy (in my country at least). I'd like to know how the quiet firmware performs in games so I could go to a friend and have it modded, but it's a hassle I'd like to do once, not once a week.
Yes, its very quiet 
QUOTE(l0tics @ Nov 6 2007, 07:46 AM)
It boots non-stealth patched games? ... why?
There are many people out there who have loads of old backups before dmi/pfi was a big issue. These wont be compatible with ixtreme without reburning, so this option is for the people who do not use live. Surprisingly, there are alot of them!
Personally, it there was no xblive, i would not own a 360.
QUOTE(Iriez @ Nov 6 2007, 04:43 PM)
There are many people out there who have loads of old backups before dmi/pfi was a big issue. These wont be compatible with ixtreme without reburning, so this option is for the people who do not use live. Surprisingly, there are alot of them!
Personally, it there was no xblive, i would not own a 360.
is there a firmware option like this for the Samsung drive too(choose IXtreme or XTREME )? or is this option only available for BenQ drives because i didn't see an option in the Samsung folder in Xbins. i would love to have the choice as well for my Samsung, if not i guess i will have to reburn my backups
QUOTE(fluidmax @ Nov 6 2007, 04:50 PM)
is there a firmware option like this for the Samsung drive too(choose IXtreme or XTREME )? or is this option only available for BenQ drives because i didn't see an option in the Samsung folder in Xbins. i would love to have the choice as well for my Samsung, if not i guess i will have to reburn my backups
yeah, it's called the XTREME firmware for samsung 
(for instance 5.3 or older samsung firmwares)
QUOTE(cypher21 @ Nov 6 2007, 05:04 PM)
yeah, it's called the XTREME firmware for samsung
(for instance 5.3 or older samsung firmwares)
i know that part but does it have the same features as the ixtreme for samsung ? i know the older firmware will not defeat the new xbox live detection(so you get banned) i do not think it has the same capability as the BenQ XTREME firmware which has the best of both words (online and offline)
QUOTE(fluidmax @ Nov 6 2007, 11:54 AM)
i do not think it has the same capability as the BenQ XTREME firmware which has the best of both words (online and offline)
I think you're miss understanding. BenQ Xtreme doesnt have the best of both worlds. It has the same features offered by Samsung Xtreme and non of the additional security features of iXtreme. So, if you want to use Live, i would recommend iXtreme. If you're purely an offline gamer, then Xtreme is for you.
QUOTE
VAD6038 'xtreme' version:
Boots Stealth and Non-Stealh Xtreme backups - will be detectable and banned on Live if using non-stealth backups!
Caster.
if you want to flash to the new ixtreme quiet firmware,
do you have to flash back to the origional firmware ?
or can you just flash over it?
QUOTE(didineedthis @ Nov 6 2007, 12:03 PM)
if you want to flash to the new ixtreme quiet firmware,
do you have to flash back to the origional firmware ?
or can you just flash over it?
It is the same as a samsung - you can simply flash over your firmware with the new hacked version. Just make sure you still have a valid backup of your firmware (which you need anyways to create the new hacked firmware) before you overwrite it.
Caster.
QUOTE(caster420 @ Nov 6 2007, 05:04 PM)
It is the same as a samsung - you can simply flash over your firmware with the new hacked version. Just make sure you still have a valid backup of your firmware (which you need anyways to create the new hacked firmware) before you overwrite it.
Caster.
cheers caster
QUOTE(jok @ Nov 6 2007, 05:42 PM)
yes thanks C4E
please is the XTREME Firmware Quiet or Slow because i can't choose
Anybody knows it? Is it FAST or QUIET?
good news for users with the benq drive 
To reflash over an old flash, is it recommended that you do the erase command first like you do the first time you flash? Also, it's good that the quiet one is quieter but how does it perform? Is the read speed really a lot slower? Does loading in games become noticeably slower and longer? Thanks
QUOTE(just4747 @ Nov 6 2007, 01:21 PM)
To reflash over an old flash, is it recommended that you do the erase command first like you do the first time you flash?
Yes, you will erase then write, as usual.
Caster.
god i h8 posting questions i prefer to read and find out on my own , but heres my question , i grabbed the new rev package from xbins earlier , i didnt get the first one and it dont appear to be there now 
, but i noticed the fast and quiet revision dont have the make firmware.bat , so i grabbed the non stealth one which does have the bat file , and i copied the fast firmware to the fw folder and renamed it same as the non stealth one ,(and deleted the non stealth firmware) , i put my orig bin file in and clicked the make command , everything went well , i have compared keys in fwtoolbox and they match , will this be ok to flash?hope this makes sense , thanx
QUOTE(antz1970 @ Nov 6 2007, 01:44 PM)
god i h8 posting questions i prefer to read and find out on my own , but heres my question , i grabbed the new rev package from xbins earlier , i didnt get the first one and it dont appear to be there now (IMG:
style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) , but i noticed the fast and quiet revision dont have the make firmware.bat , so i grabbed the non stealth one which does have the bat file , and i copied the fast firmware to the fw folder and renamed it same as the non stealth one ,(and deleted the non stealth firmware) , i put my orig bin file in and clicked the make command , everything went well , i have compared keys in fwtoolbox and they match , will this be ok to flash?hope this makes sense , thanx
You mean the "Make iXtreme firmware" .cmd file? I think you might be talking about the alternate .bat files that someone released that do the same flashing but differently...look at the forum, the guy made a thread for it
...and once again, what's the quiet firmware's loading times like? is it noticeably slower and not worth using?? Thanks
This post has been edited by just4747: Nov 6 2007, 07:50 PM
QUOTE(antz1970 @ Nov 6 2007, 01:44 PM)
god i h8 posting questions i prefer to read and find out on my own , but heres my question , i grabbed the new rev package from xbins earlier , i didnt get the first one and it dont appear to be there now (IMG:
style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) , but i noticed the fast and quiet revision dont have the make firmware.bat , so i grabbed the non stealth one which does have the bat file , and i copied the fast firmware to the fw folder and renamed it same as the non stealth one ,(and deleted the non stealth firmware) , i put my orig bin file in and clicked the make command , everything went well , i have compared keys in fwtoolbox and they match , will this be ok to flash?hope this makes sense , thanx
Yup - should be fine.
Caster.
can anyone reply to my question please ??
is the XTREME FAST or Quiet ??
QUOTE(jok @ Nov 6 2007, 01:53 PM)
can anyone reply to my question please ??
is the XTREME FAST or Quiet ??
i think it's just normal/fast...dunno though?
Just one quick question. If I install the iXtreme firmware but play online with only originals and use the backups for offline use, is there any way I could get banned?
ok so just flashed with quiet...it's EXTREMELY quiet like you'd think...it sounds just like if there were no disc loading in it, all you hear from time to time is the harddrive, but practically nothing. BUT the load times are noticeable slower..mostly when the game is first booting up from the dashboard, the screen stays black for quite a longer period of time than normal. This is a hard decision, I don't know which FW to keep on it now because it is SOOO much quieter, no more airplane in my room, but i dont like the slower load times....
Also i wonder if this will ever affect a game i am playing..like will graphics load slower or something kind of like the BioShock problem but more widespread with more games... where you see graphics load late right in front of your eyes..that would suck.
any opinions??
This post has been edited by just4747: Nov 6 2007, 09:29 PM
The reference point I used was Halo 3. I did not stopwatch the firmwares, but "quiet" is definitely MUCH slower. I greatly prefer slower load times to the fast noise, so I'm happy. In game, there were no slowdowns as I moved from one checkpoint to the next.
Somewhere it was stated that the quiet FW speed is 2.4x but I also read it was 4x...not sure what to beliee. I wish there were 6x or 8x versions available to try. The drive is now silent, but to me, a balance between quiet and fast would be ideal.
What is the BioShock problem? I loaded it on BenQ quiet with no issues, but I didn't play much.
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 6 2007, 03:45 PM)
The reference point I used was Halo 3. I did not stopwatch the firmwares, but "quiet" is definitely MUCH slower. I greatly prefer slower load times to the fast noise, so I'm happy. In game, there were no slowdowns as I moved from one checkpoint to the next.
Somewhere it was stated that the quiet FW speed is 2.4x but I also read it was 4x...not sure what to beliee. I wish there were 6x or 8x versions available to try. The drive is now silent, but to me, a balance between quiet and fast would be ideal.
What is the BioShock problem? I loaded it on BenQ quiet with no issues, but I didn't play much.
no i was referring to the bioshock problem that some people like myself have (just playing the original game on an original fw) where the graphics load later than they should and the game will skip from time to time..very annoying..but nvm
yeah i was thinking the exact same thing, that i wish there was a firmware that read at like 6x or 8x because then it will load faster but it will only be a little louder than the quiet one now. The quiet one now is SO quiet that it can actually stand to be a little louder with no problem. I would LOVE for it to be a little faster at reading and wouldn't mind one bit if it were a little louder than the quiet one is now!
Gd Workk agen C4EVA, take that microsoft! lol 
i just flashed over the old quiet version..
it is very quiet.. the only thing i can hear is the laser jumping location...(its working constantly)
Sadly.. the performance is VERY poor... Vidoes and music are lagging
another thing... it wont change to FAST mode after inserting a original game
games tryed:
(media Verbatim 8X, Burner Pioneer 212D)
Viva Pinata PAL
Topspin2 PAL
Kingkong PAL original
Im going to reflash to FAST
QUOTE(Dra60nSlayer @ Nov 6 2007, 05:21 PM)
i just flashed over the old quiet version..
it is very quiet.. the only thing i can hear is the laser jumping location...(its working constantly)
Sadly.. the performance is VERY poor... Vidoes and music are lagging
another thing... it wont change to FAST mode after inserting a original game
games tryed:
(media Verbatim 8X, Burner Pioneer 212D)
Viva Pinata PAL
Topspin2 PAL
Kingkong PAL original
Im going to reflash to FAST (IMG:
style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
you experienced lagging videos and music?? explain
obviously the firmware is going to act the same way for original games too
can we start to ask C4EVA for a slightly sped up version of the firmware? like 6 or 8x (normal is 12 right) so that its faster and still quieter...a good balance between the two like toddler said is a great idea to try...PLEASE someone pass this request along to C4!!!
lagging... playback makes short pauses
if any one can give me a clue to finding the xtreme version for the benq i would appreaciate it greatly i looked all over the net and all I could find was the ixtreme 1.1 rev2 sorry this is a dumb noob question but I need to get it to see if it will read regular backups and stealthed ones.
QUOTE(Dra60nSlayer @ Nov 6 2007, 04:43 PM)
lagging... playback makes short pauses
If you can be specific on when the lag occurs, I'd like to test and repro. I have Viva Pinata and TopSpin 2.
QUOTE(goose_dawg @ Nov 6 2007, 05:49 PM)
if any one can give me a clue to finding the xtreme version for the benq i would appreaciate it greatly i looked all over the net and all I could find was the ixtreme 1.1 rev2 sorry this is a dumb noob question but I need to get it to see if it will read regular backups and stealthed ones.
I take it that you got the rev2 package from the "official" place? If so then you'd see the Xtreme version there too.
(IMG:http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/5525/43865428fi8.th.jpg)
This post has been edited by Paperstack.1: Nov 7 2007, 12:49 AM
now that i can hear how much the laser is constantly moving and searching when playing a backup..doesnt that give it a much shorter life-span? it sounds like it working double time, its crazy..what if the laser goes wayyy sooner because of it reading our DL media?
im flashing back to fast...it's too damn slow at loadtimes and music does skip sometimes..i wouldn't recommend it until it is sped up quite a bit
This post has been edited by just4747: Nov 7 2007, 01:21 AM
QUOTE(cypher21 @ Nov 6 2007, 08:35 PM)
If the sound of the drive doesn't bother you, i'd stick with it! There's no difference between the fast 1.1 and fast 1.1 rev2
you can use both on live, BUT the ixtreme firmware does NOT boot unstealth games (extra insurance) the Xtreme does, so if you want to play on live with it and you flash the xtreme firmware but accidently boot an unstealthed backup you might get banned!
Can anyone explain WHY we need an xtreme version ?
Why take the risk of running non-stealthed games ??? Or is it so that peeps can play older iso's they have already burnt?
I only flashed v1.1 r1 yesterday and it seems to be going fine - i think ill leave it for now
it would be interesting to see load time comparisons with an MS25/28 quiet firmware and a benq quiet firmware
Did a test with 2 games, fast\slow, and harddrive\no harddrive. Cheap Ritek A01 media.
Gears of war:
Quiet No HDD: longer load times, some assets not loaded (faces not high res for 60+ seconds while loads on second level, running up the stairs shows MUCH LAG in textures)
Quiet HDD: loading not optimal, but a bit faster. Loading of assets not as apparent, but still load in late (particularly when loading level 2, the faces arent as good immediately, and running up the stairs shows all textures)
Fast No HDD and HDD: textures load in correctly, obviously louder( sounds like stock firmware), but drive spins up and down alot (i dont think my cheap media cant sustain anything higher than 8x read)
Skate:
quiet no HDD: no load
Quiet HDD: no load
Fast No HDD and HDD: Loads fine, when loading levels, spins fast then stops for about 5 seconds, then spins up again and loads fine ~15-20 seconds.
The quiet firmware was really quiet, but too slow, and not working with skate made me change back. My low quality backups work with both, faster with the "fast", but spinning up and down for reading is alot more apparent.
This post has been edited by ecrompton: Nov 7 2007, 04:37 AM
I may be on a fool's pursuit here, but nevertheless....
I did a byte-for-byte comparison of the "fast" and "quiet" firmware, and here's what I see:
Offset Fast Quiet
00005FEC 41(66) 41(65)
0000BFB1 0C(12) 02(2)
0000BFBD 08(8) 02(2)
0000BFC9 05(5) 02(2)
Now the first offset (00005FEC), 41 is the hex for "A" and 42 is the hex for "B" which is where c4e signs the firmware versions.
The other offsets you can see the fast firmware has values of 12, 8 and 5 where the quiet has 2, 2 and 2. Obviously, one of these controls the read speed, and possibly all three are related. I'm speculating, but maybe these are speeds in different states, and c4e has set the speed to 2 in all states on the quiet firmware. If that's the case, then perhaps changing the offsets in the quiet firmware would give us what we want, which is something between fast and quiet. If 12, 8, 5 and 2 are valid speeds, then maybe something like 8, 5, 2 would be one step slower from fast but with variable speeds?
Again, this is all my best attempt at guessing what may be at work here. I could be on to something, or I could be a total jackass (and it wouldn't be the first time).
Thoughts?
QUOTE(goose_dawg @ Nov 7 2007, 09:49 AM)
if any one can give me a clue to finding the xtreme version for the benq i would appreaciate it greatly i looked all over the net and all I could find was the ixtreme 1.1 rev2 sorry this is a dumb noob question but I need to get it to see if it will read regular backups and stealthed ones.
Here this might help you.
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?sho...548170&st=0
PS: even if the program doesn't work (although it should) read the comments as they might give you hints on how most people connect.
Minooch
I had a typo and can't edit the previous post, so here's what it should look like:
Offset Fast Quiet
00005FEC 41(65) 42(66)
0000BFB1 0C(12) 02(2)
0000BFBD 08(8) 02(2)
0000BFC9 05(5) 02(2)
This post has been edited by Toddler: Nov 7 2007, 06:39 AM
I use Datawrite Titanium disks and they seem to only have a read speed of 4x, at first I though this was lame but I have found these disks to be excellent and it also means that they are very quiet in the xbox360 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Load times are obviously a bit slower (tho not much) but it works perfectly and no slowdowns!. No need for quiet firmware when using these disks for me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
This post has been edited by xFiReStOrMx: Nov 7 2007, 07:32 AM
Is the XTREME non_stealth FAST or Quiet ?? Please...........
Does anyone have any input on how much the laser seems to be doing work while playing a backup? Could this be a problem for the lifespan of our lasers? Do you think it would need to work less with better media like Verbatim DLs opposed to say Memorex? Thanks, just worried about it cause it's constantly loud and reading the disc unlike when you play an original.
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 6 2007, 11:38 PM)
Offset Fast Quiet
0000BFB1 0C(12) 02(2)
0000BFBD 08(8) 02(2)
0000BFC9 05(5) 02(2)
I can tell you guys that this is definitely where the drive read speed settings reside. I'll have some timings at various speeds in a few minutes.
Alright, I tested four firmwares. Two were the regular iXtreme fast & quiet, and two were manually edited at the three locations previously mentioned. The simple testing I did was to see how long it took from clicking "Resume Saved Game" in Halo 3 until the game actually loaded. Here's what I found:
iXtreme "fast":
0000BFB1 0C(12)
0000BFBD 08(8)
0000BFC9 05(5)
Load time was 27 seconds, drive rotation noise was loud and constant, seek noise was quiet.
Hacked iXtreme "semi-fast"
0000BFB1 08(8)
0000BFBD 08(8)
0000BFC9 05(5)
Load time was 29 seconds, drive rotation noise was slightly noticable, seek noise was quiet.
Hacked iXtreme "semi-quiet"
0000BFB1 05(5)
0000BFBD 05(5)
0000BFC9 05(5)
Load time was 30 seconds, drive rotation noise was completely silent, seek noise was a gentle whisper.
iXtreme "quiet":
0000BFB1 02(2)
0000BFBD 02(2)
0000BFC9 02(2)
Load time was 36 seconds, drive rotation noise was completely silent, seek noise was actually fairly loud.
Based on the results, the "semi-quiet" seemed to find the sweet spot. Keep in mind that I hacked two of these firmwares, and that I have no hidden knowledge about the process. I'd love to hear from someone who does know exactly what those values represent.
@Toddler
Very interesting. Could you make more tests with other games, too?
@Toddler
Very good work!
Could you please test Gears of War if there are texture streaming lags or not w/ the semiquiet version?
And you you please upload the "hacked" firmwares?
For all those interested, c4e just finished your requested firmwares...
BenQ iXtreme MultiSpeed "choose your speed fw" 2x, 5x, 8x, 12x available from xbins.
Caster.
QUOTE(caster420 @ Nov 7 2007, 01:20 PM)
For all those interested, c4e just finished your requested firmwares...
BenQ iXtreme MultiSpeed "choose your speed fw" 2x, 5x, 8x, 12x available from xbins.
Caster.
Excellent News! I wonder if there will be a MultiSpeed firmware for the Samsung and Hitachi drives now?
QUOTE(signum @ Nov 7 2007, 09:03 AM)
Excellent News! I wonder if there will be a MultiSpeed firmware for the Samsung and Hitachi drives now?
Not sure if C4E will do one for samsungs or not. The Hitachi firmware has never supported multiple read speeds and i'm not sure if it is feasible or not, depending on what sectors would need to be flashed, etc.. etc..
Caster.
QUOTE(caster420 @ Nov 7 2007, 02:20 PM)
For all those interested, c4e just finished your requested firmwares...
BenQ iXtreme MultiSpeed "choose your speed fw" 2x, 5x, 8x, 12x available from xbins.
Caster.
are those the same speeds toddler used during testing? if so, 8X would be the 'sweet spot'?
this is awesome, btw. thanks c4e and thanks for testing, toddler
This post has been edited by kmfdm515: Nov 7 2007, 03:21 PM
QUOTE(caster420 @ Nov 7 2007, 02:20 PM)
BenQ iXtreme MultiSpeed "choose your speed fw" 2x, 5x, 8x, 12x available from xbins.
I've always wondered - wouldn't something like this be detectable by Live? The consistent loading times that are not in-line with the default 12x speed?
I'm using 12x right now and it's running great. Flashing was a breeze, great work to all involved.
QUOTE(kmfdm515 @ Nov 7 2007, 02:53 PM)
are those the same speeds toddler used during testing? if so, 8X would be the 'sweet spot'?
this is awesome, btw. thanks c4e and thanks for testing, toddler
Id say 5x being the sweet spot since it will read fast (5xCLV) and be quiet at the same time.
wow we just started talking about the speeds yesterday...how did he come out with them already? Well, i guess its pretty easy though.
can someone test them all out with multiple games like Toddler is doing (or help him do it) and let us know the best speed to flash? Awesome! Fast speeds with minimal noise!! LoL
Thanks guys!
i just got the multi speed package..it has 12x, 2x, 5x, and 8x
which ones were fast and quiet? 12x was fast and 2x was quiet right?
This post has been edited by just4747: Nov 7 2007, 04:52 PM
As far as I understood "semi-quiet" is 5x speed version. So this would be the "sweet spot", Toddler mentioned earlier.
Someone mentioned texture streaming lags with Gears of War. (textures were loaded too late so the player often notices missing textures or detail textures which would appear, since the streaming is too slow, right in front of him. Very ugly.
My personal guess would be, that 5x version wouldn't have those problems. I'd like someone to test, if that issue still occurs in Gears of War with the 5x version. (semi-quiet)
arr...pretty please? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
This post has been edited by robbitop: Nov 7 2007, 05:14 PM
i would think 8x is better...still quieter and hopefully not noticeable load time difference. can ppl please test??
Goodness, I never would have guessed my work would be "blessed" by c4e.
Funny that so many 360s used to be returned in the quest for any other drive. With all these options, BenQ owners have hit the jackpot.
In my testing last night, the 8x setting was much quieter than 12x, but still somewhat noticable. I can't imagine any reason to go below 5x because it was just as quiet as 2x and the seek was actually quieter, at least on my drive. I also can't imagine any reason to go with 12x because the speed isn't appreciably faster whereas the noise level definitely is intrusive.
I'd say 5x is the sweet spot if the goal is silence, and 8x is for those paranoid about potential lag.
just for reference, what speed was the quiet version of ixtreme for the samsung drives?
This post has been edited by kmfdm515: Nov 7 2007, 05:52 PM
For anyone interested in the details, here are the hex values & speed settings in c4e's multispeed firmware:
iXtreme 12x:
0000BFB1 0C (12x)
0000BFBD 08 (8x)
0000BFC9 05 (5x)
iXtreme 8x:
0000BFB1 08 (8x)
0000BFBD 08 (8x)
0000BFC9 08 (8x)
iXtreme 5x:
0000BFB1 05 (5x)
0000BFBD 05 (5x)
0000BFC9 05 (5x)
iXtreme 2x:
0000BFB1 02 (2x)
0000BFBD 02 (2x)
0000BFC9 02 (2x)
What is curious to me is how the 12x firmware has variable speeds, whereas the others are fixed. You can see that the 12x firmware has entries for 12x, 8x and 5x. I'm assuming this is a "fallback" scenario where if the media can't be read at 12x it then tries successively slower speeds. Following that logic, when I created the "semi-fast" firmware last night, I used 8x, 8x, and 5x settings. I also created a firmware with 8x, 5x and 2x settings (where each read speed is just one step slower than the "fast" version), but I don't have any "bad" media to put this to the test.
If my logic is correct, then the 8x firmware could actually make it harder to read less-than-perfect media because the drive speed will never step down below 8x as needed. And that would mean the following settings might actually be preferable:
iXtreme 8x:
0000BFB1 08 (8x)
0000BFBD 05 (5x)
0000BFC9 02 (2x)
iXtreme 5x:
0000BFB1 05 (5x)
0000BFBD 05 (5x)
0000BFC9 02 (2x)
Those settings would limit the top speed of the drive, but still allow the drive to step down as needed (presumably just like the stock firmware, and like c4e's 12x firmware).
This post has been edited by Toddler: Nov 7 2007, 06:58 PM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 7 2007, 07:32 PM)
For anyone interested in the details, here are the hex values & speed settings in c4e's multispeed firmware:
iXtreme 12x:
0000BFB1 0C (12x)
0000BFBD 08 (8x)
0000BFC9 05 (5x)
iXtreme 8x:
0000BFB1 08 (8x)
0000BFBD 08 (8x)
0000BFC9 08 (8x)
iXtreme 5x:
0000BFB1 05 (5x)
0000BFBD 05 (5x)
0000BFC9 05 (5x)
iXtreme 2x:
0000BFB1 02 (2x)
0000BFBD 02 (2x)
0000BFC9 02 (2x)
What is curious to me is how the 12x firmware has variable speeds, whereas the others are fixed. You can see that the 12x firmware has entries for 12x, 8x and 5x. I'm assuming this is a "fallback" scenario where if the media can't be read at 12x it then tries successively slower speeds. Following that logic, when I created the "semi-fast" firmware last night, I used 8x, 8x, and 5x settings. I also created a firmware with 8x, 5x and 2x settings (where each read speed is just one step slower than the "fast" version), but I don't have any "bad" media to put this to the test.
If my logic is correct, then the 8x firmware could actually make it harder to read less-than-perfect media because the drive speed will never step down below 8x as needed. And that would mean the following settings might actually be preferable:
iXtreme 8x:
0000BFB1 08 (8x)
0000BFBD 05 (5x)
0000BFC9 02 (2x)
iXtreme 5x:
0000BFB1 05 (5x)
0000BFBD 05 (5x)
0000BFC9 02 (2x)
Those settings would limit the top speed of the drive, but still allow the drive to step down as needed (presumably just like the stock firmware, and like c4e's 12x firmware).
I think i have to agree with you on that, and maybe that's one of the reasons why i had troubles with the quiet firmware on samsung drives before.
For instance it would boot the game, but while loading it gave a dirty disc error or some other strange behaviour.
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 7 2007, 12:00 PM)
Goodness, I never would have guessed my work would be "blessed" by c4e.
Funny that so many 360s used to be returned in the quest for any other drive. With all these options, BenQ owners have hit the jackpot.
In my testing last night, the 8x setting was much quieter than 12x, but still somewhat noticable. I can't imagine any reason to go below 5x because it was just as quiet as 2x and the seek was actually quieter, at least on my drive. I also can't imagine any reason to go with 12x because the speed isn't appreciably faster whereas the noise level definitely is intrusive.
I'd say 5x is the sweet spot if the goal is silence, and 8x is for those paranoid about potential lag.
awesome info..i think i might try the 8x first, see if there's any lag or bad loading times and then hear the drive noise as well as go from there...thanks for your info!
Ok, just for the hell of it I took a Halo 3 backup and scuffed it up to make my own faulty media.
Using my own 8x variable speed firmware settings (8x/5x/2x), I can hear the drive speed changing as it tries to handle the read errors. I thought I had overdone the scuffs, but to my amazement, it actually loaded up (although it took a while, but that's to be expected). It's not much of a test, but I guess that's some validation.
To the guy who asked me to upload the firmwares, I can't do that, but there's nothing magical going on here. Just load up the firmware in any hex editor, I've documented the locations and settings.
Someone else asked if the modified speeds settings are detectable on Live. It's a fair question. The stock settings are obviously not a problem. If the stock settings are 12x/8x/5x then does that mean the drive never operates at 2x? If so, does that mean if your drive ever does run at 2x that Live would flag it? It's only the 2x speed that concerns me, because the other speeds are obviously ok. They wouldn't ban based on never reading at 12x because the drive is made to fallback to slower speeds when necessary.
But I think the simplest answer to whether this is safe on Live is that c4e knows a lot more than anyone else, and he obviously isn't concerned. That's good enough for me.
Just for clarity, i asked c4e to read Toddlers post above. Here is the response:
QUOTE
<c4eva> he is wrong, the speeds are not set to those values in the multispeed fw! they are not fallback speeds, drive does its own fallback in read routine, they are initial speeds only
I would recommend sticking with the multispeed firmware that have been created by c4e and not editing your firmwares at all.
Caster.
Glad to hear from the authoritative source. Would he be willing to summarize what is going on those locations (0000BFB1, 0000BFBD, 0000BFC9)? He's changing them all for a reason. Why are there three different values at these locations in the 12x version (12, 8, 5) when in the 8x, 5x and 2x versions they are all set to 8, 8, 8 or 5, 5, 5 or 2, 2, 2?
It may seem like an odd question, but since I'm a Xbox360 newbie (but a 3D graphics editor...so no newbie at all ^^) I'd like to know where to search for obtaining the latest firmware of C4EVA.
@toddler
What firmware do you prefer? 5x oder 8x?
Could you please test, if one of them has texture lags with gears of war? In my opinion GoW seems to be an excelent indicator wheter the firmware is absolutely problem-free or not.
The reason for that is that GoW uses a lot of texture streaming. Halo 3 seems not to be so critical in that area after all (it's all about Memorymanagement).
QUOTE(robbitop @ Nov 7 2007, 02:32 PM)
It may seem like an odd question, but since I'm a Xbox360 newbie (but a 3D graphics editor...so no newbie at all ^^) I'd like to know where to search for obtaining the latest firmware of C4EVA.
You've got PM.
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 7 2007, 04:27 PM)
You've got PM.
i was also wondering if you prefer 5 or 8x and why? before i go a flashin'...
Would it work if you did 5x, 8x, 2x? Normally doing five, then 8 than 2
i flashed my drive with the quiet version and now i want the fast version since its recommended how do i upgrade
do i just erase my firmware and then write the new fast firmware on to my drive
exactly..easy as pie
so once again, do you recommend 5x or 8x, and why toddler??
I recommend whatever you prefer. Try 8x and if the noise is acceptable then go with it, otherwise drop back to 5x.
for everyone involved!
I'll be flashing my Halo 360 tomorrow.
Whats the load time differences like on 8x/5x?
I've read 2x is obviously really slow compared to 12x.
Much difference in the others?
Please try GoW!
QUOTE(Audioboxer @ Nov 7 2007, 04:13 PM)
for everyone involved!
I'll be flashing my Halo 360 tomorrow.
Whats the load time differences like on 8x/5x?
I've read 2x is obviously really slow compared to 12x.
Much difference in the others?
My load times between 8x & 5x on Halo 3 testing were only 1 sec apart (29 secs to load saved game on 8x, 30 secs on 5x). Of course, I'm just one guy testing one game, take it as you will.
QUOTE(robbitop @ Nov 7 2007, 04:32 PM)
Please try GoW!
Dude, seriously...try it yourself. Load up 8x and see if the noise suits you. Worst case scenario is you flash again to 5x. Or start with 5x and if you see tearing, go to 8x. This isn't brain surgery, you have all the skills needed to help yourself.
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 7 2007, 10:39 PM)
My load times between 8x & 5x on Halo 3 testing were only 1 sec apart (29 secs to load saved game on 8x, 30 secs on 5x). Of course, I'm just one guy testing one game, take it as you will.
Dude, seriously...try it yourself. Load up 8x and see if the noise suits you. Worst case scenario is you flash again to 5x. Or start with 5x and if you see tearing, go to 8x. This isn't brain surgery, you have all the skills needed to help yourself.
Thumbs up!
I think I'll kick it off with 8x. Small noise drop from 12x and very similar speeds I'd expect.
May try out 5x as well.
same here i just flashed 8x...might try 5x as the noise COULD be a little quieter...ill check out the load times.
even if we dont see any slow loading graphics or skipping music or anything while testing..what are the chances that at some point, 5x read speed will cause a problem like this in a game? very small? cause its hard to tell what fw to stick with until youve used one for a good amnt of time.
and once again, im more concerned with the noise of the laser reading the disc with these backups, sounds like its working hard all the time. what decrease in the amount of time until the "death" of the laser is this backup usage giving our xboxes?
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 7 2007, 11:39 PM)
Dude, seriously...try it yourself. Load up 8x and see if the noise suits you. Worst case scenario is you flash again to 5x. Or start with 5x and if you see tearing, go to 8x. This isn't brain surgery, you have all the skills needed to help yourself.
Nope. I can't.
I will get my 360 in a few days. After that I will send it to a guy who will flash it for me (for a few bucks).
I don't have a VIA oder NForce controller which is neccessary and I don't have the time to learn those procedures. I just want to get as much user info as possible to tell the guy which firmware I want.
I don't understand what's so difficult for someone who actually uses the 5x or 8x firmware to take a few minute look at GoW.
QUOTE(just4747 @ Nov 8 2007, 12:15 AM)
and once again, im more concerned with the noise of the laser reading the disc with these backups, sounds like its working hard all the time. what decrease in the amount of time until the "death" of the laser is this backup usage giving our xboxes?
Is this still an issue with the 8x firmware? I thought it's only noticeble with the 2x ("quiet") version.
Maybe the 5x-version will help.
QUOTE(robbitop @ Nov 8 2007, 12:32 AM)
I don't understand what's so difficult for someone who actually uses the 5x or 8x firmware to take a few minute look at GoW.
ever thought of the possibillity he might NOT have GOW or he might have the original one and no backup which he can test with the firmware (like me)
QUOTE(robbitop @ Nov 7 2007, 06:32 PM)
Is this still an issue with the 8x firmware? I thought it's only noticeble with the 2x ("quiet") version.
Maybe the 5x-version will help.
its always an issue with playing backups on this DL media...you just cant hear it as much over the sound of the drive spinning sometimes depending on what speed FW u have flashed...ive now flashed every speed, 2x, 5x, 8x, and 12x obviously and you can hear it with any of them as long as your playing a backup, because the laser needs to work harder to read the media i believe, right? that would make sense to me anyway.
anyway, i just flashed from 8x down to 5x and its much quieter and i cant really notice the difference in load times too much, so i think ill stick with 5x for now. Try that one it seems to be the best bet! and ive been playing GoW with it flashed at 5x for about 10 minutes now and it seems perfectly fine!
hmm to be honest now that ive been using the 5x fw the laser seems a bit quieter than the two faster fws..would that make sense? or no
QUOTE(robbitop @ Nov 7 2007, 05:32 PM)
I will get my 360 in a few days. After that I will send it to a guy who will flash it for me (for a few bucks).
I don't have a VIA oder NForce controller which is neccessary and I don't have the time to learn those procedures. I just want to get as much user info as possible to tell the guy which firmware I want.
I don't understand what's so difficult for someone who actually uses the 5x or 8x firmware to take a few minute look at GoW.
I don't understand why someone who is begging for help thinks that being a dick is going to get him faster answers.
I said earlier that I'd test GoW when I have time. Today I've been doing my full-time gig and when that ends, my wife goes to grad school and I take care of my young kids. So doing your requested firmware testing is just going to have to wait.
And what exactly is the hurry? You won't even be getting a 360 for a few days! Talk about nerve...seriously.
QUOTE(just4747 @ Nov 7 2007, 05:53 PM)
hmm to be honest now that ive been using the 5x fw the laser seems a bit quieter than the two faster fws..would that make sense? or no
That was my observation as well. The 5x spin noise was just as quiet as the 2x but the seek noise was also quieter, instead of that noticable clicking it became a very gentle noise which sort of gave me the feeling that it was easier on the laser. The 8x and 12x seeks were also louder, so for me, 5x is the definite sweet spot.
A lot of us on the Wii (can I say that here?) forums prefer to run the Wii at 3x rather than the stock 6x and all the Wii modchips allow users to configure the drive speed because it is gentler on the motor and laser (same reason for using good media). I'd imagine the same holds true for the 360. After all, 12x is the fastest possible speed, but the drive is made to slow down as needed if a disc is hard to read. We all know how Samsung owners sometimes switch to "quiet" firmware when they start getting dirty disc errors from a dying laser. So regarding the longevity of your drive, I think slower can only be a good thing.
based on what c4eva said about the settings not being fall back settings, but initial read settings, but initial read settings for what (diff media types? movie vs game, dl vs sl, cd vs dvd, etc etc)? that is a good question.
since then depending on what the answer is, it would seem to me that the 8x firmware might have a problem. since for the last mode it have a setting higher than the orginal firmware.
iXtreme 8x:
0000BFB1 08 (8x)
0000BFBD 08 (8x)
0000BFC9 08 (8x)
iXtreme 12x (orginal):
0000BFB1 0C (12x)
0000BFBD 08 (8x)
0000BFC9 05 (5x)
thats a good point too..someone needs to check that...
now that ive had every speed firmware..id have to say that the only one to have quieter laser/laser motor reading sounds is the 5x.
2x, 8x, and 12x all had loud, annoying, constantly moving laser noise..why is that??
QUOTE(lsun22 @ Nov 7 2007, 07:13 PM)
based on what c4eva said about the settings not being fall back settings, but initial read settings, but initial read settings for what (diff media types? movie vs game, dl vs sl, cd vs dvd, etc etc)? that is a good question.
since then depending on what the answer is, it would seem to me that the 8x firmware might have a problem. since for the last mode it have a setting higher than the orginal firmware.
iXtreme 8x:
0000BFB1 08 (8x)
0000BFBD 08 (8x)
0000BFC9 08 (8x)
iXtreme 12x (orginal):
0000BFB1 0C (12x)
0000BFBD 08 (8x)
0000BFC9 05 (5x)
That's what I was trying to get answered all day. I hung out in #dosflash for hours to no avail. Despite c4e saying that's not what those settings do, without an explanation of what they do, I'm suspicious as others are. Perhaps someday we will get more details on that.
QUOTE(just4747 @ Nov 7 2007, 07:32 PM)
now that ive had every speed firmware..id have to say that the only one to have quieter laser/laser motor reading sounds is the 5x.
2x, 8x, and 12x all had loud, annoying, constantly moving laser noise..why is that??
Exactly, the 5x has a sweet sound when seeking, the others are rather clunky. At least everything seems perfectly balanced in the 5x firmware, so let's be happy for that.
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 8 2007, 11:02 AM)
I don't understand why someone who is begging for help thinks that being a dick is going to get him faster answers.
I said earlier that I'd test GoW when I have time. Today I've been doing my full-time gig and when that ends, my wife goes to grad school and I take care of my young kids. So doing your requested firmware testing is just going to have to wait.
And what exactly is the hurry? You won't even be getting a 360 for a few days! Talk about nerve...seriously.
Well put!
Robbitop if you want to know the answer buy the appropriate hardware needed or have a little decency and don't act like you got something shoved up your A**.
Minooch
Ditto on the 5x sounding considerably better than the "fast" version. Not only does it sound way better, but the loading time difference is negligible. So, yeah, pretty much what toddler said.
somebody else with the 5x fw, load up splinter cell double agent(try original if you have it like me...otherwise try a backup)..it took a while and a lot of laser reading to finally load the full "press start" menu and every single loading screen after that too up till my game loaded took forever...jesus it wasnt this bad with any of the other games i tried...
So I guess its safe to say BenQ is better than a sammy 25 or 28 now?
QUOTE(just4747 @ Nov 8 2007, 12:03 AM)
somebody else with the 5x fw, load up splinter cell double agent(try original if you have it like me...otherwise try a backup)..it took a while and a lot of laser reading to finally load the full "press start" menu and every single loading screen after that too up till my game loaded took forever...jesus it wasnt this bad with any of the other games i tried...
Yeah I know what you mean, I just loaded it up and you're right...although SCDA was like that before to me though (on a Samsung). I was actually trying to remember which game was such an atrocious loader and couldn't recall until you mentioned it. Once the game started, it all seems normal. I'm not bothering to flash 12x just to compare, but I'd be curious if you care to go to the effort.
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 8 2007, 01:29 AM)
Yeah I know what you mean, I just loaded it up and you're right...although SCDA was like that before to me though (on a Samsung). I was actually trying to remember which game was such an atrocious loader and couldn't recall until you mentioned it. Once the game started, it all seems normal. I'm not bothering to flash 12x just to compare, but I'd be curious if you care to go to the effort.
well i know what its like at 12x since its an original and i played it before ever flashing..i think maybe any small loading problems we have with any games wouldnt exist with 8x but i dunno if its worth giving up the quietness..ill see how it goes with future games and whatnot..cant be perfect i guess
and damn even with the slightly quieter laser sounds at 5x, it STILL is bothering me to know that its working so hard to read! i feel bad for the laser motor..
and just to keep the compaints going...god damn these discs get scratched so easily in any dvd wallet type thingy..all my backups are scratched from taking them out and putting them back in so often...even originals are getting scratched that way but i cant bring those boxes around every time i bring my xbox home from school on some weekends and stuff..UGHHHHH
QUOTE(just4747 @ Nov 8 2007, 12:42 AM)
god damn these discs get scratched so easily in any dvd wallet type thingy..all my backups are scratched from taking them out and putting them back in so often...even originals are getting scratched that way but i cant bring those boxes around every time i bring my xbox home from school on some weekends and stuff..UGHHHHH
Chin up...the next Xbox is rumored to have a 300-disc carousel.
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 8 2007, 01:56 AM)
Chin up...the next Xbox is rumored to have a 300-disc carousel.
huh? whatya mean lol
Just kidding...like next time you won't need to use a DVD wallet, just load them all in...nevermind.
lol no i got it...wish there was a better way to store them though..
QUOTE(just4747 @ Nov 8 2007, 12:53 AM)
its always an issue with playing backups on this DL media...you just cant hear it as much over the sound of the drive spinning sometimes depending on what speed FW u have flashed...ive now flashed every speed, 2x, 5x, 8x, and 12x obviously and you can hear it with any of them as long as your playing a backup, because the laser needs to work harder to read the media i believe, right? that would make sense to me anyway.
It would make sense that the laser has to work a bit harder (using more volatage). I hope this wouldn't affect the lifetime of the drive too much. :-(
Anyway the BenQ drive seems to have better reading abbilities than the other drives. AFAIK the Samsung and Hitachi can only read a few very special types of DVD-Rs (like verabtim). The BenQ seems to be fine with a lot of DVD-R types. Toddler tested a scratched DVD-R and it still worked. That seems to confirm this theory.
QUOTE(Toddler @ Nov 8 2007, 01:02 AM)
I don't understand why someone who is begging for help thinks that being a dick is going to get him faster answers.
And what exactly is the hurry? You won't even be getting a 360 for a few days! Talk about nerve...seriously.
I said earlier that I'd test GoW when I have time. Today I've been doing my full-time gig and when that ends, my wife goes to grad school and I take care of my young kids. So doing your requested firmware testing is just going to have to wait.
Sorry. I didn't mean to be rude. So let's just calm down, ok?
By asking for a GoW-test I wasn't only refering to you, but to anybody who has the possibility to test it.
Maybe this was a misunderstanding. (since english isn't my native language) Sorry again.
QUOTE(minooch @ Nov 8 2007, 04:40 AM)
Well put!
Robbitop if you want to know the answer buy the appropriate hardware needed or have a little decency and don't act like you got something shoved up your A**.
Minooch
Like I mentioned before, it was a misunderstanding.
QUOTE(just4747 @ Nov 8 2007, 07:03 AM)
somebody else with the 5x fw, load up splinter cell double agent(try original if you have it like me...otherwise try a backup)..it took a while and a lot of laser reading to finally load the full "press start" menu and every single loading screen after that too up till my game loaded took forever...jesus it wasnt this bad with any of the other games i tried...
That game is really beats the crap out of the drive to load up the first time.
I did some tests.
I what did was, I left the XBOX on the Daskbord with the drive tray open and with a Backup of SCDA on it, the moment I push the button to close the tray i started my stopwatch, and counted until the "Press Start" message showed up, here are the results:
12x: 1:16
8x: 1:26
5x: 1:35
I tested other games and on all of them I didnt notice much load time difference betwwen the 8x and the 5x, but on SCDA the 5x really lagged behind, even the 8 was quite slower compared to the 12x. Also, on 8x and 5x there were a moment duting the load process of SCDA that even the animation would freeze while the drive was busy, on 12x I didnt had that problem.
btw: I have 2 XBOX with Benq, I flashed one with 8x and another with 5x to run these tests. My SCDA back was done on a Intenso +R DL media.
Since that discrepancy was only notice on that particular game, and I hardly ever play it, I am leaving the drives with 5x for now.
@robbitop: I did the GoW testas well and both the 5x and 8x worked quite nice and fast, and of course the 5x being quieter.
Regards.
QUOTE(sirreco @ Nov 8 2007, 02:52 PM)
That game is really beats the crap out of the drive to load up the first time.
I did some tests.
I what did was, I left the XBOX on the Daskbord with the drive tray open and with a Backup of SCDA on it, the moment I push the button to close the tray i started my stopwatch, and counted until the "Press Start" message showed up, here are the results:
12x: 1:16
8x: 1:26
5x: 1:35
I tested other games and on all of them I didnt notice much load time difference betwwen the 8x and the 5x, but on SCDA the 5x really lagged behind, even the 8 was quite slower compared to the 12x. Also, on 8x and 5x there were a moment duting the load process of SCDA that even the animation would freeze while the drive was busy, on 12x I didnt had that problem.
btw: I have 2 XBOX with Benq, I flashed one with 8x and another with 5x to run these tests. My SCDA back was done on a Intenso +R DL media.
Since that discrepancy was only notice on that particular game, and I hardly ever play it, I am leaving the drives with 5x for now.
Regards.
yeah same thing with mine once again..
and during a few GoW Live matches, for like only 4 seconds at the very beginning of a match, the graphics would be very plain on my character and the background (everything basically) and the details took that 2-4 seconds to show up, but after that, it was fine.
why are they using 5x and not 6x or 4x ?
i want to hex it this way:
0000BFB1 06 (6x)
0000BFBD 04 (4x)
0000BFC9 02 (2x)
anyone know if the benq drive supports 6x/4x at all ? thanks.
QUOTE(just4747 @ Nov 6 2007, 07:21 PM)
To reflash over an old flash, is it recommended that you do the erase command first like you do the first time you flash? Also, it's good that the quiet one is quieter but how does it perform? Is the read speed really a lot slower? Does loading in games become noticeably slower and longer? Thanks
I would recommend to erase the firmware always. Just be sure that you have your original firmware to grab the key from. (The key is most important)
The XBOX360 will be slower while loading, you will notice this, but you should not have any problems while playing the game.