Post by: Xbox-Scene on July 20, 2007, 02:59:00 AM
iXtreme firmware 1.2 RevC for TS-H943 Xbox 360 Posted by Iriez | July 20 04:59 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
| A new firmware is released for the TS-H943 xbox360 drive.. Quote (v1.2 RevC) Failed Stealth backups report normal disc information This release patches the stealth information from NON-stealth disc's, so that the invalid info is not sent over live when the disc does not boot. Official Site: n/a (by commodore4eva) Download: n/a (May be illegal under EULA/DMCA) News-Source: xbins.org |
Post by: Iriez on July 20, 2007, 03:01:00 AM
FYI (by soso)
QUOTE(Klutsh @ Jul 20 2007, 06:00 PM) 
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For clarification (By Iriez):
This release prevents stealth data from being logged by a unsuccessful boot. That does NOT mean 1.2b was unsafe. A unmodified original xbox that gets a backup put into it would reply the same exact way as 1.2b would. This is a theoretical patch for a likely never-to-be used method for MS to ban people (think logically for a second here guys, and then after your done, think legally too.)
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Some Key Posts (by soso)
-Situation with Hitachi (post #96)
-Info sent on bad backup (post #127)
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This post has been edited by sosotiit: Jul 24 2007, 01:16 AM
Post by: indiraider on July 20, 2007, 02:28:00 AM
Post by: Iriez on July 20, 2007, 03:18:00 AM
QUOTE(Boydster @ Jul 20 2007, 04:15 AM)
Is there going to be a news post for every update to every firmware known to man for the next ten years?
Im sorry, were we supposed to not let anyone know there is a new version? Next time I will go for ignorance instead, thats the ticket!
Post by: burnandkill on July 20, 2007, 03:24:00 AM
I was runnin fine on live with the new ixtreme/47d until i popped in an older non-stealth backup to test out the new firmware and got banned. I stayed off live for months waiting for the hitachi release to come out, and now I find out about this? F--k! I guess im just another guinnea pig. Time to buy a new box.
Post by: jimbobjim on July 20, 2007, 03:30:00 AM
Thank you for the new update, all your hard work is much appreciated.
Post by: ZakMcRofl on July 20, 2007, 04:07:00 AM
If you put in an invalid disc it may not boot but (apparently) the steatlh info gets uploaded just like it was booting. Microsoft probably can't even tell the difference or worse - they can.
I don't know about you but I'd say that would warrant a version tag 1.3
Anyways, thanks C4E for fixing it.
With this information out I predict that the next ban-wave will hit us very hard again. Hopefully not me since I tried to put only 100%-stealth disks into my 360 but there are countless people out there who simply don't care enough.
Post by: joe90 on July 20, 2007, 04:19:00 AM
Cheers for all the hard work, but some clarity on the issue would be good.
Post by: daggerer on July 20, 2007, 04:21:00 AM
This update does seem odd as i thought this would be one of the main things ixtreme already did.
This post has been edited by daggerer: Jul 20 2007, 11:22 AM
Post by: RAISH on July 20, 2007, 04:37:00 AM
But the rule here is tho that its a unmodified xbox? So regardless of the disc the machine is okay and if they ban it for detecting a copy disc what they have has been illegal?
Suffice to say my 360 isn't banned or anything, but something to consider.
Post by: Bassie Von Adriaan on July 20, 2007, 04:38:00 AM
Post by: d-range on July 20, 2007, 04:53:00 AM
Also, is the information only sent when you get the white 'insert this disc into an Xbox 360 console' error that my only non-stealth backup gave? Because I also tried a backup last week (while connected), that did not boot, but it didn't give the error screen, only the 'Open Tray' message in the dashboard.
Can anyone confirm testing backups *offline* with the older iXtreme is safe?
This post has been edited by d-range: Jul 20 2007, 11:54 AM
Post by: youdontknow on July 20, 2007, 04:59:00 AM
Bassie Von Adriaan- you should update your firmware, because this update is IMPORTANT!! this update doesnt let you boot unstealth games, it stops the logs from being sent to microsoft when trying an unstealth game. the earlier firmware wouldnt boot the unstealth games but it would still send the log to microsoft. so if you tried to boot an unstealth game most likely it logged it and sent to microsoft. so to be sure none of this happens UPDATE FIRMWARE!!
This post has been edited by youdontknow: Jul 20 2007, 12:01 PM
Post by: Mike46669 on July 20, 2007, 05:01:00 AM
**EDIT
just got the firmware... Noticed that they have a slow and fast version again.. I thought part of ixtreme was to make it so it read the disc at a stock speed? wouldn't the fast and slow steer away from that again and give MS something to pin you with?
This post has been edited by Mike46669: Jul 20 2007, 12:16 PM
Post by: v078 on July 20, 2007, 05:27:00 AM
Post by: welly_59 on July 20, 2007, 06:24:00 AM
Post by: GreenStang99 on July 20, 2007, 06:28:00 AM
Post by: xtrminatr on July 20, 2007, 06:50:00 AM
QUOTE(GreenStang99 @ Jul 20 2007, 09:04 AM) 
Any word on iPrep definitions for this?
Wondering the same thing, gonna try to find another way to do this.
Post by: mayonnaise on July 20, 2007, 07:00:00 AM
QUOTE(xtrminatr @ Jul 20 2007, 09:26 AM)
Wondering the same thing, gonna try to find another way to do this.
Try the batch file that comes with the new ixtreme package. Its pretty simple. Extract the new firmware package. Place your orig.bin in the folder. Run the batch file. Move your new ix12c.bin file over to your bootable USB or Floppy you made with iprep before and make sure you have the ix12c.bin in the same folder as mtkflash, then type the mtkflash command. Should work fine that way.................then again, i just used iprep to hex edit my mtkflash.........i still like to type in the mtkflash command.
This post has been edited by mayonnaise: Jul 20 2007, 02:04 PM
Post by: hg_gt on July 20, 2007, 07:03:00 AM
1. Firmware comes out that makes it so it DOESNT boot if not stealth.
2. M$ creates a NEW generated feed to capture MORE info (look at the 13th/14th). In this im GUESSING it captures a non-boot due to non-stealth compatibility.
So for those saying....omg doesnt that make the fw useless? Why was it released? Well at the time M$ didnt have a defense against the fw but they found a way and that was by finding the error for not reading unstealthed games thus making the game not boot.
Aparently this is fixed in the new version where it doesnt send the info if not booted...i think its great news and no one should complain. Specially with the speed that it was found out and completed. My only question would be is this being developed for the hitachi or is it out/ect.
Gt
Post by: adiazm on July 20, 2007, 07:05:00 AM
i update the ixDef to rev 4 and when load the fast or quiet fw its says not "none loaded" is there a new ixdef?
but when i use an old ixdef (doesnt load either) but when i load original 1.2 ixtreme fw its says that the current fw is 1.2 iextreme (fast Read).
any suggestions?
Post by: jimbobjim on July 20, 2007, 07:06:00 AM
QUOTE(GreenStang99 @ Jul 20 2007, 02:04 PM) 
Any word on iPrep definitions for this?
Are the definitions really needed? All I did was create my bootable drive using the old ixtreme firmware then swapped the blank ixtreme.bin file in the IPREP folder with the new rev.c firmware. Just make sure you rename it to ixtreme.bin
It all flashed fine and i'm now running 1.2c.
Have I done something wrong
Post by: dbldown768 on July 20, 2007, 07:07:00 AM
Post by: xtrminatr on July 20, 2007, 07:16:00 AM
Wow someone did the same thing as me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
This post has been edited by xtrminatr: Jul 20 2007, 02:16 PM
Post by: xbox360sexual on July 20, 2007, 07:31:00 AM
QUOTE(hg_gt @ Jul 20 2007, 02:39 PM)
1. Firmware comes out that makes it so it DOESNT boot if not stealth.
2. M$ creates a NEW generated feed to capture MORE info (look at the 13th/14th). In this im GUESSING it captures a non-boot due to non-stealth compatibility.
So for those saying....omg doesnt that make the fw useless? Why was it released? Well at the time M$ didnt have a defense against the fw but they found a way and that was by finding the error for not reading unstealthed games thus making the game not boot.
Excellent post. People need to read before they open their mouths!
As for iPrep/samtools etc, I simply open my old f/w using Toolbox4.0, copy the key, inject it in to the new f/w and mtkflash w /m filename to my drive. It's so simple and guaranteed to work!
Post by: snart on July 20, 2007, 07:44:00 AM
Does this affect those of us who move a hard drive back and forth between a modded and unmodded system?
Post by: rabbitstroker on July 20, 2007, 08:34:00 AM
For all the kidies that just keep on moaning and moaning
- IF YOU DONT LIKE IT HACK THE 360 YOURSELF!
These hackers owe us nothing but help none the less, you couldnt do live on xbox1 with it modded so enjoy the time and EXTRA time that the hackers are giving us for live play!
Post by: jimbobjim on July 20, 2007, 08:58:00 AM
QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Jul 20 2007, 03:07 PM)
Excellent post. People need to read before they open their mouths!
Or maybe you should realise there are people out there that don't know how to flash a drive and are now stuck with a non safe firmware unless they cough up more cash for a reflash.
The fact that the old ixtreme used to be fine is irrelevent for the less tech savvy amongst us.
I'm by no means slating the hackers who work tirelessly to keep us one step ahead, i'm merely pointing out that some people have a right to be a little distraught about this new news.
Luckily I know how to flash all 360 drives
Except BenQ.
Post by: xbox360sexual on July 20, 2007, 09:03:00 AM
QUOTE(asapreta @ Jul 20 2007, 03:36 PM)
The big question is:
Are we going to be banned because the non-stealth games tested on iXtreme 1.2?
It won't boot at all but keeps the log?
This detection was first seen a few days ago, so I'd guess that if you tried a non-stealth game since then your risk of a banning is increased dramatically. In saying that you've been given enough time to check that your backups are fully stealthed so unfortunate for you if you were lazy.
QUOTE(jimbobjim @ Jul 20 2007, 04:34 PM)
Or maybe you should realise there are people out there that don't know how to flash a drive and are now stuck with a non safe firmware unless they cough up more cash for a reflash.
All the information is out there yet people panic the instant that they see a new revision and post the same questions over and over.
Post by: MetalHead06 on July 20, 2007, 09:20:00 AM
Post by: jimbobjim on July 20, 2007, 10:09:00 AM
QUOTE(MetalHead06 @ Jul 20 2007, 04:56 PM)
I'm just curious, if someone were to insert a non stealth game in an unmodified console, would it not then log the same information as if it were entered in a moded console? Would M$ therefore not run the risk of banning the wrong people?
Very doubtful, that would be very stupid of M$.
Post by: Paperstack.1 on July 20, 2007, 10:12:00 AM
So stop your bitching and takes what's coming at you. Otherwise don't do it
Post by: MetalHead06 on July 20, 2007, 10:35:00 AM
QUOTE(jimbobjim @ Jul 20 2007, 12:09 PM)
Very doubtful, that would be very stupid of M$.
But then how can they differentiate between the two? All drives now have stealth so they can't detect if the fw is modified or now, so then how would they be able to log if a nonstealth game log comes from a stock or modified system?
Post by: XLNC on July 20, 2007, 10:00:00 AM
I'm also worried about iXtrm 2.1 for the hitachi, I booted a copy of GRAW2 that has DMI, PFI, SS and video partition present but xdvd mulleter 9 says that it's invalid, checksums don't match or something along those lines and does not have iXtreme compatible checked, but everything else checks out.
Post by: Boba_Fett on July 20, 2007, 10:41:00 AM
QUOTE(XLNC @ Jul 20 2007, 05:36 PM)
I'm also worried about iXtrm 2.1 for the hitachi, I booted a copy of GRAW2 that has DMI, PFI, SS and video partition present but xdvd mulleter 9 says that it's invalid, checksums don't match or something along those lines and does not have iXtreme compatible checked, but everything else checks out.
I have one of those too. My Lost Planet: Extreme Condition backup says I'm stealthed but my ISO was padded with '0's, so it will "most likely never be ixtreme compatable". Well, it does boot up, but I'm totally not going to use it anymore with this new protection scheme...
Post by: sosotiit on July 20, 2007, 10:06:00 AM
some serious clean up this PM in this thread.
remember a few things :
1) You were expected to use Stealth backups offline and origianl online, and there was ways to test stealth. If you did not your bad.
2) all hacked fw are experimental, and at you own risk
3) you have no right whatsoever to lay guilt on anyone, just like you have no right to expect things to be 100%. It is experimental , and will most certainly continue to evolve.
IF you want certainty, use the original FW and original disk.
ALso, since you had to use your samsung to extract the SS, you would have done a complete backup with anyway. How can you end up with a non-stealth backup with a samsung drive?
-soso
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And as far as hitachi is concerned, the question was asked, asking another 100 times wont change it. When there is some news, post it, otherwise stop asking.
And to conclude, make your backup properly from your original and your samsung (5.3 or before) or Kreon drive and all stealth will be there. You can even check it with mulleter ( Media Stealth: What is needed and How To Verify, (DMI, PFI, Video Partition, Samsung SS) ), should it not pass the test redo it properly or play the original.
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Jul 20 2007, 06:21 PM
Post by: mayonnaise on July 20, 2007, 11:49:00 AM
QUOTE(jimbobjim @ Jul 20 2007, 11:34 AM)
Or maybe you should realise there are people out there that don't know how to flash a drive and are now stuck with a non safe firmware unless they cough up more cash for a reflash.
The fact that the old ixtreme used to be fine is irrelevent for the less tech savvy amongst us.
I'm by no means slating the hackers who work tirelessly to keep us one step ahead, i'm merely pointing out that some people have a right to be a little distraught about this new news.
Luckily I know how to flash all 360 drives (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Except BenQ.
Wow..........if someone doesnt know how to flash their own drive, they should still shut their mouth. If they don't have a clue on how to flash a drive and paid someone to do it, that is their own problem again. IMO, if you don't know how to mod a system yourself or be competent enough to have someone show you how, you shouldnt be using a modded system.
This post has been edited by mayonnaise: Jul 20 2007, 06:52 PM
Post by: Knasen on July 20, 2007, 11:53:00 AM
Post by: Fazered on July 20, 2007, 11:55:00 AM
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Jul 20 2007, 05:42 PM)
1) You were expected to use Stealth backups offline and origianl online, and there was ways to test stealth. If you did not your bad.
We are? I never read that advice. It would make sense to a point like it did in the xbox days but surely any firmware checking process could be run by the dashboard or a game while offline and stored?
Post by: Fazered on July 20, 2007, 11:28:00 AM
Are these "real" md5's or ones you have calculated?
F
Post by: rahrahrah on July 20, 2007, 11:42:00 AM
Post by: effbee05 on July 20, 2007, 01:30:00 PM
QUOTE(MetalHead06 @ Jul 20 2007, 11:56 AM)
I'm just curious, if someone were to insert a non stealth game in an unmodified console, would it not then log the same information as if it were entered in a moded console? Would M$ therefore not run the risk of banning the wrong people?
I think the information they are logging is something only the iXtreme does, you try to boot a backup that isn't properly stealthed then the FW stops it from booting and reports it somewhere, which is what M$ is logging. An unmodded console will just tell you its not an official game.
Post by: MPA on July 20, 2007, 01:01:00 PM
I've noticed that some of the boxsets of DVD's I've tried playing on the 360 aren't playing on my 360 now, I just get a weird clicking noise - I've been trying to play Futurama and CSI dvd's - if the disc is in as the 360 is booted its sticks and the logo and doesn't go further till the disc is ejected.
Was wondering if anyone else had this problem, as far as I know they booted before I upgraded from Xtreme to Ixtreme (wondering if its cos they're DVD9 DVD's - movies usually work)
Anyone got any ideas?
Post by: baberg on July 20, 2007, 01:03:00 PM
Oh, and big thanks to C4E and all of the other hard working modders out there for keeping us up to date on the latest detection methods. I'll flash my drive tonight.
Post by: signum on July 20, 2007, 01:48:00 PM
I really like the slow speed so much.
Post by: Havok on July 20, 2007, 01:50:00 PM
QUOTE(baberg @ Jul 20 2007, 03:39 PM)
So, just out of curiosity, how did Microsoft "sneak" this new check in? I haven't had a Dashboard update since I first modded my console (iXtreme 1.0) so was this code just a time-release check that is now hitting? Or do we even know where the check is being done?
Oh, and big thanks to C4E and all of the other hard working modders out there for keeping us up to date on the latest detection methods. I'll flash my drive tonight.
The check was seen when you are connected to Live. It as nothing to do with the dashboard as it is information requested by the Live service itself.
QUOTE(MetalHead06 @ Jul 20 2007, 12:35 PM)
But then how can they differentiate between the two? All drives now have stealth so they can't detect if the fw is modified or now, so then how would they be able to log if a nonstealth game log comes from a stock or modified system?
Because the stock system has a completely different (original) firmware.
A brief lession in how things work are in order...
On the original discs (which are pressed) contain lots of data in unwritable locations.. for example the security sector. We can not make a 100% copy of a disc, if we could.. we wouldn't need a hacked firmware at all. What the hacked firmware does is redirect the drives data calls to this new writable location. (i.e. system asks for a SS and the firmware gives it to the system). With a non-stealth disc.. the disc "answers" with the wrong information.
With an original firmware the system can't see any of this relocated information because it does not know where to look. Thus any requests for information will just return garbage.
Returning garbage is OK... returning valid but incorrect information is BAD.
To the people complaining.. STOP.. sosoit and others have summed it up nicely so I am not going to repeat their words. My only addition is if you have no idea how to flash your firmware I am assuming you have no idea how to back up your own games either. They pretty much have the same complexity.
Post by: Ranger72 on July 20, 2007, 01:59:00 PM
QUOTE(signum @ Jul 20 2007, 09:24 PM)
Will there be a new fw for reading game backups slow based of this new feature?
I really like the slow speed so much.
This comes with slow and normal speed. I choose slow myself.
Post by: ruciz on July 20, 2007, 02:20:00 PM
NO modded firmware of ANY kind is going to be safe on microsofts live service.
People get it straight. Eventually a day will come when it WON'T connect to live, someway, somehow.
C4E's efforts are definatly appriciated, but people have to realize this isn't FOOLPROOF. A live service of any kind always changes, thats the point. New things will be detected and executed.. cycle repeats. Its the end user who now has to decide if its worth a new console every X months, or to buy the legit game and an unmodded console.
Post by: XLNC on July 20, 2007, 02:21:00 PM
If the logs are stored on flash then it's probably all over, but if it's harddrive then I'm all for formatting my drive.
Post by: ruciz on July 20, 2007, 02:24:00 PM
QUOTE(baberg @ Jul 20 2007, 08:39 PM)
So, just out of curiosity, how did Microsoft "sneak" this new check in? I haven't had a Dashboard update since I first modded my console (iXtreme 1.0) so was this code just a time-release check that is now hitting? Or do we even know where the check is being done?
Oh, and big thanks to C4E and all of the other hard working modders out there for keeping us up to date on the latest detection methods. I'll flash my drive tonight.
Its been being done since day one.. They just didn't start executing the bans right away so they could be sure it wasn't fluke and ban someone who shouldn't have been.
Post by: xnoelahg on July 20, 2007, 02:38:00 PM
QUOTE(mayonnaise @ Jul 20 2007, 06:49 PM)
Wow..........if someone doesnt know how to flash their own drive, they should still shut their mouth. If they don't have a clue on how to flash a drive and paid someone to do it, that is their own problem again. IMO, if you don't know how to mod a system yourself or be competent enough to have someone show you how, you shouldnt be using a modded system.
You're taking the ability to flash for granted. Yes, it's easy for people like us, but think of someone who would pay you to do it for them. They have a right to be disapointed and disrought, but they don't have a right to demand anything. All I'm saying is I can understand someone who paid another person $X to flash their system, and now they have to pay again to keep current.
On the same note, however, I believe the firmware and stealth backups are 100% safe atm, so as long as you keep whoever's console you flashed up to date on what they can and can't stick into their consoles, they should be fine.
Post by: tonelab77 on July 20, 2007, 02:39:00 PM
Post by: acsutton on July 20, 2007, 03:20:00 PM
Post by: mayonnaise on July 20, 2007, 02:53:00 PM
QUOTE(xnoelahg @ Jul 20 2007, 05:14 PM)
You're taking the ability to flash for granted.
Not I am not. It wasnt that hard for me to read a guide and flash my drive. All knowledge I have of computers/electronic devices was learned through guides or self research. Like I said, if someone wont take the time to read a guide, have someone show them, just plain dont get it, or are afraid of taking the risk; they shouldnt be taking the risk of using a modded system (on XBL no less).
P.S. I would not let someone pay me to mod their system. I have done a few for friends. I make them pay me by paying attention to me and listening well when I first modded their system so they can do it themselves afterwards.
Post by: hameda on July 20, 2007, 02:59:00 PM
thanks
Post by: baberg on July 20, 2007, 03:02:00 PM
Post by: Klutsh on July 20, 2007, 03:24:00 PM
QUOTE(adiazm @ Jul 20 2007, 10:57 PM)
<firmware md5="removed by soso">
<name>iXtreme v1.2c (Quiet Read)</name>
</firmware>
<firmware md5="removed by soso">
<name>iXtreme v1.2c (Fast Read)</name>
</firmware>
Thanks to rahrahrah
Or use this: iPrep 101 Definition Update v5
Post by: hiaaa on July 20, 2007, 03:48:00 PM
QUOTE(hameda @ Jul 20 2007, 10:35 PM)
hey guys, i flashed my samsung m28 drive last night with ixtreme 1.2 using a via sata pci card with relative ease. today, i am trying to flash the new 1.2c but i can't get the drive detected by mtkflash. anyone has a clue?
thanks
Did you insert the 0800 disc to unlock the firmware guard?
Post by: jaynigs on July 20, 2007, 04:01:00 PM
I have an idea for a future version of this firmware, is it possible for NON Stealthed games to boot if not connected to live? or perhaps a disc to override the non booting of non stealthed games. ( could even use the enable 800 disc as a boolean to switch off the non booting code )
I have a few games that are non stealthed, which i know they are not stealthed but i only want to play them offline, i own the originals to these games, so if i really want to use them online i will use the originals, but dont really want to burn them again.
Im sure uk law states i am allowed to legally have a backup, provided i own the original disc, thus m$ will have no legal grounds to ban me from live if i do not use them online, in fact they would be in breach of my rights ( unless my rights have changed in this area without me knowing about it )
This post has been edited by jaynigs: Jul 20 2007, 11:08 PM
Post by: Lush on July 20, 2007, 04:05:00 PM
Post by: Klutsh on July 20, 2007, 04:10:00 PM
QUOTE(jaynigs @ Jul 20 2007, 11:37 PM)
Great, thanks for this release, what will m$ try next?
I have an idea for a future version of this firmware, is it possible for NON Stealthed games to boot if not connected to live? or perhaps a disc to override the non booting of non stealthed games.
I have a few games that are non stealthed, which i know they are not stealthed but i only want to play them offline, i own the originals to these games, so if i really want to use them online i will use the originals, but dont really want to burn them again.
Im sure uk law states i am allowed to legally have a backup, provided i own the original disc, thus m$ will have no legal grounds to ban me from live if i do not use them online, in fact they would be in breach of my rights ( unless my rights have changed in this area without me knowing about it )
Not getting into a BIG debate, Yes you have the Right to Back-up what you own. (UK based opinion.)
Yes, MS CAN ban you for using said back-up, be it online or not, It's againt the EULA that ships with the 360.
End of Moral/Right's/Legality discussion. (MS Have the $$$ to pay the Lawyers, we don't, MS Win)
This post has been edited by Klutsh: Jul 20 2007, 11:11 PM
Post by: signum on July 20, 2007, 04:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Jul 20 2007, 09:35 PM)
This comes with slow and normal speed. I choose slow myself.
Ah thats great. I will flash this to this firmware tomorrow.
Post by: jaynigs on July 20, 2007, 04:20:00 PM
QUOTE(Klutsh @ Jul 20 2007, 11:46 PM)
Not getting into a BIG debate, Yes you have the Right to Back-up what you own. (UK based opinion.)
Yes, MS CAN ban you for using said back-up, be it online or not, It's againt the EULA that ships with the 360.
End of Moral/Right's/Legality discussion. (MS Have the $$$ to pay the Lawyers, we don't, MS Win)
Thanks for your reply,however i dont recall ever agreeing to this EULA offline ( if at all ), or signing anything pertaining to the EULA, furthermore, my statutory rights are never affected by additional conditions. Example being a shop saying no refunds even if the goods are damaged, even if i signed this, i can take them to court and sue them for breach of the sale of goods act.
But yeah, im don't want a huge debate about it either (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
QUOTE(ranger72 @ Jul 20 2007, 11:51 PM)
This comes with slow and normal speed. I choose slow myself.
I see this slow read as a possible angle for detection, i would stick with normal read speeds if i were you
This post has been edited by jaynigs: Jul 20 2007, 11:21 PM
Post by: signum on July 20, 2007, 05:09:00 PM
I did think that slow read could be a detection but since its quite an unreliable detection anyway to ban people from since many discs do have trouble reading etc. But who knows..only MS.
Post by: xbox360sexual on July 20, 2007, 05:11:00 PM
QUOTE(jaynigs @ Jul 20 2007, 11:37 PM)
Great, thanks for this release, what will m$ try next?
I have an idea for a future version of this firmware, is it possible for NON Stealthed games to boot if not connected to live? or perhaps a disc to override the non booting of non stealthed games. ( could even use the enable 800 disc as a boolean to switch off the non booting code )
But what if the console logs non-stealthed games while offline as has been suggested?
It's easier just to make proper back ups of your games, there is no excuse for non-stealthed games IMO.
QUOTE(signum @ Jul 21 2007, 12:45 AM)
I couldn't resist it and flashed my drive with the 1.2RevC (Quiet) and its working fine!
I did think that slow read could be a detection but since its quite an unreliable detection anyway to ban people from since many discs do have trouble reading etc. But who knows..only MS.
Indeed, I'd seriously doubt any sort of detection by drive read speed. If C4E has determined it to be safe enough, then I'll agree with him!
Post by: fish_ on July 20, 2007, 05:54:00 PM
Post by: signum on July 20, 2007, 05:23:00 PM
QUOTE(fish_ @ Jul 21 2007, 12:54 AM)
i suppose it's not a slow-read version (4x)?
It Does. The package contains both Fast and Quiet
Post by: II BJ II on July 20, 2007, 05:41:00 PM
Why didn't I get banned when I was booting un-patched games for months (call of duty 2 no stealth patches what so ever) continued to boot this game on a daily basis even after the bans. Ok then iXtreme 1.2 came out I put that on my ms28 and the un-stealth cod2 wouldnt boot anymore???? Im still not banned and never have been...
Post by: bikermike69uk on July 20, 2007, 05:45:00 PM
QUOTE(youdontknow @ Jul 20 2007, 12:35 PM)
^^^ i dont think it matters if you try it offline, as soon as you get online it will send the log to microsoft anyways.
Bassie Von Adriaan- you should update your firmware, because this update is IMPORTANT!! this update doesnt let you boot unstealth games, it stops the logs from being sent to microsoft when trying an unstealth game. the earlier firmware wouldnt boot the unstealth games but it would still send the log to microsoft. so if you tried to boot an unstealth game most likely it logged it and sent to microsoft. so to be sure none of this happens UPDATE FIRMWARE!!
are you sure you need to update? im still running oldskool fw, i think its 1.2 or 3 cant really rememnber. but anyways, i used my free month gold last year and i flashed to one of the above fw back way before the 1st spring update. i dont even bother (backups) if they dont have stealth and i bought a 3 month live card 3 weeks ago and im still ok. got a hitachi drive.
i would say updating the fw now would show up on m$ checks, my situation shows this
This post has been edited by bikermike69uk: Jul 21 2007, 12:47 AM
Post by: xnoelahg on July 20, 2007, 05:57:00 PM
QUOTE(mayonnaise @ Jul 20 2007, 10:29 PM)
Not I am not. It wasnt that hard for me to read a guide and flash my drive. All knowledge I have of computers/electronic devices was learned through guides or self research. Like I said, if someone wont take the time to read a guide, have someone show them, just plain dont get it, or are afraid of taking the risk; they shouldnt be taking the risk of using a modded system (on XBL no less).
P.S. I would not let someone pay me to mod their system. I have done a few for friends. I make them pay me by paying attention to me and listening well when I first modded their system so they can do it themselves afterwards.
Ok, I don't want you to misinterpret what I was initially saying. From everything you've said, I totally understand your viewpoint. Most of the time, that's how I get "paid" for my services (I'd rather people be able to duplicate what I do, than be the only one when it comes to computers), however, I have several frinds that
1) Have a 360 but do not have a computer - yes, there are many people like this out there. Tech saavy is a moot point in this case, as telling them to go spend $300+ when to them the only purpose *would* be to re-flash. They have no interest in using a computer, but don't want to spend another $60 if their discs are damaged (one of my friends has to keep backups because his drive puts the ring around the disc).
2) No matter how thouroughly you SHOW them how to do something, they still can't grasp the concept. I've pointed them to tutorials, and even shown them step by step how to do it, but they CANNOT do it themselves.
3) Don't want to buy a SATA controller when the only thing they'd use it for is to flash their 360. I tell these people that they're just being cheap, or trying to cover for not wanting to learn.
Either way, if there's one thing I've learned in life, it's that no matter how easy something is to you, there's at least a million people who could never do that (not to say they couldn't do things you could never do, either). I'm a DJ, and to me, spinning records seems easy. I can blend, chop, flange, etc. on CD/Vinyl/MP3, and to me, it's a minor excersize. It took me forever to realise that it's easy to me because I've been familiar with turntables and mixers for quite a while, and it's just another craft.
In a perfect world, everyone would be able to keep up with things and do them just as you and I and the many knowledgable people here at x-s, but sadly that's just not the case. I would think that over 90% of the people who have a login here are definately capable of it, however (they may be intimidated by a task they've never done). I was mostly reffering to those outside of x-s, and a small handful of newbies here who don't seem interested in learning "how", when they can just learn "what" and find someone who's already capable of "how". They're usually reffered to as consumers (they demand the market; we don't create it per-se).
Post by: sosotiit on July 20, 2007, 06:31:00 PM
Warning: NO ONE SHOULD GIVE THEMSELVES THE RIGHT TO EXPECT anything of the hackers, who deliver expiremental code to them for free. Not even some as I have seen that think that explanation are owed to them. It is always given as is, and at you own risk (period). That said hackers often provide info, support... which we can only say thanks for.
Now some try to justify expectations, because people charge $$ for installing a free code for someone else. What is wrong with this picture???
- Either people charging should tell their customer about the risk, and the fact that they can expect nothing in term of longevity in the free code they receive. In this case nothing is to be expected and no one should have an issue
- If that is not done, then do not pass the expectation created by the person charging $$$ to the hacker that has provided you the code for free. YOU HAVE no right to do so. Tell your customer the truth
- and if in the end it is just the user not having the aptitude to do it, well that is reality. Many things, I do not have the abilities for, and I live with the results. In some case it just means I cant participate, in other I have to accept a higher risk
I am not pointing anyone, just saying that the fact some people charge $$ does not change the reality that no expectation is to be had.
--------
Now this thread goes back to the technical discussion/support of Ixtreme 1.2C, and other debate can be brought to X360 general if you want to discuss them.
No more warning on this, it is to be taken as is.
-soso
This post has been edited by sosotiit: Jul 21 2007, 02:04 AM
Post by: XLNC on July 20, 2007, 08:15:00 PM
QUOTE(XLNC @ Jul 20 2007, 09:57 PM)
Before flashing my drive for the first time I put in a copy of PGR3 (no xbox live connection) and it took ages to boot and eventually did and ran the DVD video saying put this game into an xbox 360 so I'm assuming I should be fine since the 360 thinks that it ran a DVD video or am I banned, any way to avoid getting banned?
If the logs are stored on flash then it's probably all over, but if it's harddrive then I'm all for formatting my drive.
I went on live twice earlier and it seems like I'm alright for now. I came on went on after a couple of hours, but I won't know at least until a few days pass.
I wonder if they ban on weekends.
Post by: halo3guy on July 20, 2007, 08:49:00 PM
I'm sure you're having a bigger rush playing this 'game' than us playing Halo2/GoW!!
Anyway, does the last Hitachi update already have this feature in it or should be expect a Hitachi release with this feature soon? I'm asking because you guys have still kept it 1.2. BTW, since this f/w release prevents a known BAN check, I think it warrants a version bump. But then again. its your code, so your rules!
Cheers folks.
To folks complaining, SHUT UP. If you don't like the firmware I'm sure C4E would gladly return any money you paid him. While free != bug ridden (think Linux), this is experimental and cutting edge. Against a $$$ adversary. So it's a HUGE victory that we're even till here. The beer glass is half full, NOT half empty. Have the balls.
Post by: Daft on July 20, 2007, 09:49:00 PM
Post by: Havok on July 20, 2007, 10:30:00 PM
QUOTE(II BJ II @ Jul 20 2007, 08:17 PM)
so if the reason behind banning was un-properly patched games then tell me this,
Why didn't I get banned when I was booting un-patched games for months (call of duty 2 no stealth patches what so ever) continued to boot this game on a daily basis even after the bans. Ok then iXtreme 1.2 came out I put that on my ms28 and the un-stealth cod2 wouldnt boot anymore???? Im still not banned and never have been...
Because the game may have been stealthed but not 100%.. C4E put in many checks that he knows MS was not using but could be used in the future.
QUOTE(xnoelahg @ Jul 20 2007, 08:33 PM)
1) Have a 360 but do not have a computer - yes, there are many people like this out there. Tech saavy is a moot point in this case, as telling them to go spend $300+ when to them the only purpose *would* be to re-flash. They have no interest in using a computer, but don't want to spend another $60 if their discs are damaged (one of my friends has to keep backups because his drive puts the ring around the disc).
How is he making backups if he doesn't have a computer!!??
QUOTE(bikermike69uk @ Jul 20 2007, 08:21 PM)
are you sure you need to update? im still running oldskool fw, i think its 1.2 or 3 cant really rememnber. but anyways, i used my free month gold last year and i flashed to one of the above fw back way before the 1st spring update. i dont even bother (backups) if they dont have stealth and i bought a 3 month live card 3 weeks ago and im still ok. got a hitachi drive.
i would say updating the fw now would show up on m$ checks, my situation shows this
MS has no way of detecting fimeware changes..l your safest bet is to upgrade.... old Hitachi drives are definately NOT safe to use on live.. you are asking to be banned.
Post by: Iriez on July 20, 2007, 11:48:00 PM
QUOTE(burnandkill @ Jul 20 2007, 05:00 AM)
So THAT'S what got me banned?
I was runnin fine on live with the new ixtreme/47d until i popped in an older non-stealth backup to test out the new firmware and got banned. I stayed off live for months waiting for the hitachi release to come out, and now I find out about this? F--k! I guess im just another guinnea pig. Time to buy a new box.
No, it shouldnt be. As far as we know MS is not checking this right now. Theoretically they have no legal grounds to ban based upon a non-booting game. Because technically speaking, it is exactly like if you tried to put a burnt game in a orig unmodified console. MS would not ban you for that, so they SHOULDNT ban you for this.
Its merely a precaution.
Post by: Iriez on July 21, 2007, 12:16:00 AM
QUOTE(II BJ II @ Jul 20 2007, 07:17 PM)
so if the reason behind banning was un-properly patched games then tell me this,
Why didn't I get banned when I was booting un-patched games for months (call of duty 2 no stealth patches what so ever) continued to boot this game on a daily basis even after the bans. Ok then iXtreme 1.2 came out I put that on my ms28 and the un-stealth cod2 wouldnt boot anymore???? Im still not banned and never have been...
Have you verified your disc does not contain DMI/PFI? Because thats what MS is banning based upon.
Even so, you do realize there are billions of fish in the sea, and we cannot catch them all, right? If it IS non-stealth, then consider yourself extreamily lucky. End of story.
Post by: GreatBiest on July 21, 2007, 01:39:00 AM
I know, this Question was asked 2 Time before in This Thread, with no answer.
So i ask again
Post by: Iriez on July 21, 2007, 01:45:00 AM
QUOTE(GreatBiest @ Jul 21 2007, 02:39 AM)
Can we await a Hitachi 1.3 c Release ?
I know, this Question was asked 2 Time before in This Thread, with no answer.
So i ask again
Yes, have you wondered perhaps that if there IS an answer?
Because there is not. There is no word yet if a hitachi release will be done, or if it NEEDS to be done. Keep in mind we are talking about two entirely different drives with entirely different firmwares. Some things that are neccessary on hitachi are not neccessary on samsung, or vice versa.
Post by: cyberplague on July 21, 2007, 02:29:00 AM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Jul 21 2007, 09:21 AM)
Yes, have you wondered perhaps that if there IS an answer?
Because there is not. There is no word yet if a hitachi release will be done, or if it NEEDS to be done. Keep in mind we are talking about two entirely different drives with entirely different firmwares. Some things that are neccessary on hitachi are not neccessary on samsung, or vice versa.
Thanks, the response I have been waiting for. Keep up the good work, and thanks for everything!
CP
Post by: mrgreaper on July 21, 2007, 09:19:00 AM
the reason i ask is going from 1.2 to 1.2c would take a lot of time that i dont have so if 1.2 is safe then i`d like to stick to it and from reading the thread thats the impression i get ...just would like confirmation
Post by: sosotiit on July 21, 2007, 09:26:00 AM
It is more 'in case of", than real danger.
best protection is still to have "by the book" backups.
anyway was answered in post 2, and we do not want the speculation discussion to start again.
-soso
Post by: Serious Sam on July 21, 2007, 09:28:00 AM
QUOTE(mrgreaper @ Jul 21 2007, 11:55 AM)
If i have read this right 1.2 is still safe to use if i put a non stealth game in the game wont load microsoft will reciecve a little note from my xbox saying pssst he put a copy in me but microsoft will ignore it?
the reason i ask is going from 1.2 to 1.2c would take a lot of time that i dont have so if 1.2 is safe then i`d like to stick to it and from reading the thread thats the impression i get ...just would like confirmation
You pretty much answered your own question. Look a couple of threads up and read Iriez response
Post by: Lush on July 21, 2007, 10:53:00 AM
QUOTE(mrgreaper @ Jul 21 2007, 04:55 PM) 
If i have read this right 1.2 is still safe to use if i put a non stealth game in the game wont load microsoft will reciecve a little note from my xbox saying pssst he put a copy in me but microsoft will ignore it?
the reason i ask is going from 1.2 to 1.2c would take a lot of time that i dont have so if 1.2 is safe then i`d like to stick to it and from reading the thread thats the impression i get ...just would like confirmation
flashing is quick and easy... i would rather be safe than sorry...
Post by: XLNC on July 21, 2007, 11:19:00 AM
QUOTE(Lush @ Jul 21 2007, 05:53 PM)
flashing is quick and easy... i would rather be safe than sorry...
Yea flashing is easy but opening the 360 is not, well it's really the top grey cover that's a pain to get off, might do some modification to the case and have an external sata connection or something.
Post by: paddypitbug on July 21, 2007, 11:28:00 AM
And I would also like to add that can you imagin the time & effort it takes these people to create a firmware and should we at least respect the fact they work for no pay or set hours !, my message is a two way thing to those who have not heard of the simple words thank you & respect and to those who expect to beat the microsft monster ( only as one can we slay the beast separate an they will xterminate )
To you people who create firmware if there is to be a new firmware & toolbox for all drives up to the B****** 79 drive then I wish all Gods speed be upon you and for all your time & efforts there is some of us who can not thank you enough.
Post by: g0blue on July 21, 2007, 12:34:00 PM
Post by: halo3guy on July 21, 2007, 01:13:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Jul 21 2007, 07:24 AM)
Because technically speaking, it is exactly like if you tried to put a burnt game in a orig unmodified console.
I don't think that's accurate.
On modified f/w when asked for a (security/non-burnable) sector, the modified f/w redirects the read request to another (burnable) sector. If you have a non-stealth disk, that read results in an successful read, but that read fails the check by the kernel. So basically this is read as "xbox 360 disk, but invalid DMI/PFI". That is a good incentive for MS to ban.
On an unmodified xbox 360 DVD Drive, that read request reads junk. Basically the drive can't read SS/DMI/PFI because they don't exist at the 'real' (unburnable) areas. And the stock f/w can't redirect the read to the other areas where we've burnt those sectors. So it basically thinks the disk is not even a XBOX 360 disk. In fact it plays the DVD video which says "please put this DVD in an XBOX 360".
And MS can't ban you for putting a DVD movie disk (as the console thinks) in your unmodified console.
Post by: XLNC on July 21, 2007, 03:07:00 PM
QUOTE(halo3guy @ Jul 21 2007, 08:49 PM)
I don't think that's accurate.
On modified f/w when asked for a (security/non-burnable) sector, the modified f/w redirects the read request to another (burnable) sector. If you have a non-stealth disk, that read results in an successful read, but that read fails the check by the kernel. So basically this is read as "xbox 360 disk, but invalid DMI/PFI". That is a good incentive for MS to ban.
On an unmodified xbox 360 DVD Drive, that read request reads junk. Basically the drive can't read SS/DMI/PFI because they don't exist at the 'real' (unburnable) areas. And the stock f/w can't redirect the read to the other areas where we've burnt those sectors. So it basically thinks the disk is not even a XBOX 360 disk. In fact it plays the DVD video which says "please put this DVD in an XBOX 360".
And MS can't ban you for putting a DVD movie disk (as the console thinks) in your unmodified console.
Exactly what I thought, my 360 must have thought of the backup as a DVD video when it was unmodded.
Post by: daveywavey1212 on July 21, 2007, 05:46:00 PM
Post by: Sankyou on July 21, 2007, 07:43:00 PM
QUOTE(daveywavey1212 @ Jul 21 2007, 06:22 PM)
Is anybody else having loading problems in quiet mode ,fast mode works great but when i play ultimate carnage it freezes on the loading screen in quiet mode.
Certain drives have been reported to work better in the fast mode. From reading previous posts - it seems that quiet mode usually reads media better; however, several people have reported the fast mode reading better also. Go with it if it works - the lasers are only $20 anyway.
Post by: UberNube on July 21, 2007, 08:34:00 PM
Post by: Lush on July 21, 2007, 10:04:00 PM
QUOTE(UberNube @ Jul 22 2007, 04:10 AM)
alright, so just for the record, if i dont have any games that are not stealthed, then i am fine?
if all your games are properly stealthed, then you are fine... use mulleter to verify if need be...
Post by: Iriez on July 21, 2007, 11:22:00 PM
QUOTE(halo3guy @ Jul 21 2007, 02:49 PM)
I don't think that's accurate.
On modified f/w when asked for a (security/non-burnable) sector, the modified f/w redirects the read request to another (burnable) sector. If you have a non-stealth disk, that read results in an successful read, but that read fails the check by the kernel. So basically this is read as "xbox 360 disk, but invalid DMI/PFI". That is a good incentive for MS to ban.
On an unmodified xbox 360 DVD Drive, that read request reads junk. Basically the drive can't read SS/DMI/PFI because they don't exist at the 'real' (unburnable) areas. And the stock f/w can't redirect the read to the other areas where we've burnt those sectors. So it basically thinks the disk is not even a XBOX 360 disk. In fact it plays the DVD video which says "please put this DVD in an XBOX 360".
And MS can't ban you for putting a DVD movie disk (as the console thinks) in your unmodified console.
I believe that is actually a valid concern. I will research and adress it ASAP.
Post by: Hopeful on July 22, 2007, 03:38:00 AM
QUOTE(Mike46669 @ Jul 20 2007, 12:37 PM)
Noticed that they have a slow and fast version again.. I thought part of ixtreme was to make it so it read the disc at a stock speed? wouldn't the fast and slow steer away from that again and give MS something to pin you with?
No.
The kernel can't ban over the speed a disk PLAYS at. Many things can cause different play speeds. (Especially slower.)
The "speed detection" they discussed is something like:
The kernel/dash watches for INSTANT loading of SECURITY SECTORS. Proving that they didn't load from a disk at ALL.
Pre-Ixtreme firmwares had the ability to play UNPATCHED (lacking ss) backups by INJECTING ss STRAIT FROM FW. Injecting strait to memory this way was instant, unlike a disk. It gave away that the sectors DEFINITELY weren't read off an actual disk. (Which requires a short loading period)
And this ONLY happens when you're running a Pre-Ixtreme fw + playing backups without stealth.
Ixtreme NEVER injects ss, and in fact never plays unpatched backups. Hence it always passes that test, which has nothing to do with game read speed.
They don't flag and ban people merely for the speed the game runs at. If they did, they'd ban TONS of false positives, and word of mouth advertising would become a sales-killing avalanche.
That's what I gathered from past posts anyway, as a layman. Experts, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, or give me a nod if i'm right. But i'm pretty sure that's the gist of it.
Post by: UberNube on July 22, 2007, 07:20:00 AM
QUOTE(Lush @ Jul 22 2007, 12:40 AM)
if all your games are properly stealthed, then you are fine... use mulleter to verify if need be...
thank you.
Post by: kimnkk on July 22, 2007, 09:55:00 AM
Is it safe for me to connect the ethernet cable and log onto live to download dashboard updates? Obviously I wouldn't use it to play on live or log on live with a disc in!
This post has been edited by kimnkk: Jul 22 2007, 04:56 PM
Post by: ricflairandy on July 22, 2007, 11:08:00 AM
Post by: Xx The 0ne xX on July 22, 2007, 11:35:00 AM
QUOTE(ricflairandy @ Jul 22 2007, 01:44 PM)
Ive just fflashed a new ms25 today. It asked me if i wanted to spoof it, and i selected yes. Was this correct?
all of c4e's fw are from ms28, and since u flashed it on a ms25 it detected a version difference, it really doesnt make a difference if you spoof it back to ms25 or not.
Post by: ricflairandy on July 22, 2007, 11:44:00 AM
QUOTE(Xx The 0ne xX @ Jul 22 2007, 07:11 PM)
all of c4e's fw are from ms28, and since u flashed it on a ms25 it detected a version difference, it really doesnt make a difference if you spoof it back to ms25 or not.
well i selected y. Should i redo it and select no?
Post by: Knasen on July 22, 2007, 01:36:00 PM
QUOTE(ricflairandy @ Jul 22 2007, 08:20 PM)
well i selected y. Should i redo it and select no?
No, you are fine with spoofing, I do it on my ms25 all the time and not banned.
Post by: shadowth on July 22, 2007, 05:50:00 PM
Finally, I decided to flash my 360 again today with this fw.
It has been working flawlessly. All my backups are booting perfectly.
Awesome work, C4E. You're a true assembly master!
Post by: TeckniX on July 22, 2007, 07:57:00 PM
I'm still somewhat confused as to when this bad read happens 'where' is it saved - If you stay online and have a few bad reads, does it only store one of them, or stores them all 'somewhere'. I guess this comes back to where the kernel is saved and updates applied/downloaded
And also on a non-backup disk, when/where is the security sector read/loaded?
perhaps I need to do some more reading (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
This post has been edited by TeckniX: Jul 23 2007, 02:59 AM
Post by: mrgreaper on July 23, 2007, 05:31:00 AM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Jul 22 2007, 06:58 AM)
I believe that is actually a valid concern. I will research and adress it ASAP.
is there any info in regards to this yet? kinda dont want to have to update unless its really needed (i think all mine are stealthed any way as i did them with a kron firmware dvd drive and a few with the hitachi drive in my old 360 ) is there a way of checking them to see if they are stealthed i tried mulmeter mentioned in the thread (beta 9 ) but it does not seem to like vista loads up select view iso slect dvdr and it starts then crashs so i assume thats a vista relation problem but for all i know that could mean the disc has no stealth lol
i know some one said earlyier it doesnt take long to flash but my red ring of death 360 is in manchaster at mo and thats how i power the drive as i heard its not good to do it with your 360 (i lent it to a mate to do his and it kind of lengthens the process lol)
Post by: sosotiit on July 23, 2007, 06:34:00 AM
XDVDMulleter will give you some info on a problem that many encountered with mulleter. You can use an oder version like 9.2, it seems the newer version conflict for some people.
-soso
Post by: mrgreaper on July 23, 2007, 10:43:00 AM
QUOTE(sosotiit @ Jul 23 2007, 02:10 PM)
Media Stealth: What is needed and How To Verify, (DMI, PFI, Video Partition, Samsung SS)
XDVDMulleter will give you some info on a problem that many encountered with mulleter. You can use an oder version like 9.2, it seems the newer version conflict for some people.
-soso
cheers ... i actualy took the plunge and did it with the video cable unpluged so the cpu wouldnt be regonised
man theres so much info on the forum its unbelivable ! and it was a tutorail you posted the link to that helped me most http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=601501 the how to update firmware on a ms28 using a usb device (that tutorial really needs to be on the main tutorials section of the webpage !!! thanks again and ofcourse thanks to the firmware creator ! with out him we would all have scratched discs
Post by: Iriez on July 23, 2007, 04:48:00 PM
QUOTE(mrgreaper @ Jul 23 2007, 07:07 AM)
is there any info in regards to this yet? kinda dont want to have to update unless its really needed (i think all mine are stealthed any way as i did them with a kron firmware dvd drive and a few with the hitachi drive in my old 360 ) is there a way of checking them to see if they are stealthed i tried mulmeter mentioned in the thread (beta 9 ) but it does not seem to like vista loads up select view iso slect dvdr and it starts then crashs so i assume thats a vista relation problem but for all i know that could mean the disc has no stealth lol
i know some one said earlyier it doesnt take long to flash but my red ring of death 360 is in manchaster at mo and thats how i power the drive as i heard its not good to do it with your 360 (i lent it to a mate to do his and it kind of lengthens the process lol)
Yes, i spoke to c4e, he said there is nothing to worry about. here is his explanation:
c4e: orig fw will see a +rw PFI with a blank dmi on a bad backup
c4e: rev c will see a dvd-rom pfi with a blank dmi on a bad backup
c4e: rev b will see a dvd-rom pfi +media tag with a stealth DMI if it was present for that game, but still not a game disc, dvd-rom/video
c4e: both cases are still safe from banning as they cant tell if it was burnt that way on a silver
c4e: on slow fw , it willstill dvd-rom but plus media tag and blank dmi
Post by: Iriez on July 23, 2007, 07:49:00 PM
QUOTE(DuBob4432 @ Jul 23 2007, 07:07 PM)
please don't flame me because i don't make many backups as i don't have many games, but how does one make a non-stealth backup? again, sorry for this ignorance but i don't get it, i am still having no issues w/ 5.2c and my backups of my originals come back as stealth w/ mulleter. am i missing something here?
In the name of science, you can make a non-stealth backup by choosing to forgo the option of patching the DMI, PFI and proper video to the image you are creating from your disc.
Post by: Xeinon on July 24, 2007, 03:37:00 AM
Post by: fierygt on July 24, 2007, 01:00:00 PM
QUOTE
Is it possible that this firmware update would help me who is having trouble with DDE on my box?
Xeinon..."possibly" by using the slow read option, it could help improve your situation, but a firmware alteration like this wouldn't generally improve what is most likely a failing laser.
Post by: djrtek on July 25, 2007, 01:35:00 PM
I just flashed to 1.2c and now I've been getting the 3ROL.
At first I only followed textboks tutorial, the one I've been using when I first flashed the xbox.
Was I supposed to follow any other specific instructions to upgrade other than the usual methods for flashing the first time? i.e.) Did I need to flash back to orig.bin before upgrading from 1.2 to 1.2revc?
I then followed the tutorials in here: http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=601501
by using mtkflash rather than "idump, iflash, etc."
I'm still getting the 3ROL. Do you guys think the 3ROL is caused by my updating to 1.2c or just my xbox overheating?
Post by: sosotiit on July 25, 2007, 01:54:00 PM
the firmware has nothing to do with it. It is pure coincidence or only thing could be that by opening the case you have moved/unscrew...touched something.
sorry, you can try the clamp replacement, good success rate. (hardware forum)
-soso
Post by: Iriez on July 25, 2007, 08:50:00 PM
QUOTE(djrtek @ Jul 25 2007, 03:11 PM)
OK this sucks!
I just flashed to 1.2c and now I've been getting the 3ROL.
At first I only followed textboks tutorial, the one I've been using when I first flashed the xbox.
Was I supposed to follow any other specific instructions to upgrade other than the usual methods for flashing the first time? i.e.) Did I need to flash back to orig.bin before upgrading from 1.2 to 1.2revc?
I then followed the tutorials in here: http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=601501
by using mtkflash rather than "idump, iflash, etc."
I'm still getting the 3ROL. Do you guys think the 3ROL is caused by my updating to 1.2c or just my xbox overheating?
I have heard of this happening to users that did not completely restore to original before reflashing. Apparently by using fw toolbox to restore back to original, then using 1.2revC to flash, resolves the issue. Let me know if that helped you.
We are doing a complete revision from scratch up on the batch restoration and flashing process to create a more stable environment. The previous 'beta' version i posted here did improve the situation, but not completely.
Post by: NikkiRock on July 26, 2007, 12:22:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Jul 26 2007, 06:26 AM)
I have heard of this happening to users that did not completely restore to original before reflashing. Apparently by using fw toolbox to restore back to original, then using 1.2revC to flash, resolves the issue. Let me know if that helped you.
We are doing a complete revision from scratch up on the batch restoration and flashing process to create a more stable environment. The previous 'beta' version i posted here did improve the situation, but not completely.
i flashed my brand new xo with ixtreme 1.2 rev c (not flashed before) and had one red light in down right corner. got sammy ms25, i restored it with my original firmware and works fine but dunno why 1.2 rev c wont work. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
Post by: djrtek on July 26, 2007, 12:01:00 PM
Am I safe or should I still revert back to original and then reflash to 1.2c? also, what is fw toolbox?
Post by: phistyle on July 27, 2007, 01:50:00 PM
Post by: magicfx2k7 on July 28, 2007, 10:38:00 AM
I can Toshiba-Samsung TS-H943 Ms25.
Which firmware I must use?
I flashed with firmware iXtreme_Samsung_v1.2 revC, but with this firmware I do not playing the games (backups) of xbox 1.
Post by: daveywavey1212 on July 28, 2007, 04:17:00 PM
iXtreme firmware 1.2 RevC
There is a fast and a slow version at the moment i can only use the fast because the slow seems to lock up the game when it is loading.
Is there a firmware version at normal speed.
The fast version makes an awfull noise from the dvd drive when it is loading and the older firmwares did not
Post by: sosotiit on July 28, 2007, 05:43:00 PM
-soso
Post by: MPA on July 29, 2007, 10:19:00 AM
All seemed well - backups appear to be working fine - 'til I put in the orig F.E.A.R disc yesterday and got the old 'please insert an xbox 360 disc' message.
Could also be the linked to my previous message about movie dvd's which previously worked on the 360 not loading anymore but I don't think there's any way i can figure this out myself.
Anyone else having similar issues with this iextreme.
360 - Sammy TS-H943 ms25 flashed to ix1.2revC quiet mode.
Post by: prolifik71 on July 29, 2007, 03:06:00 PM
even though dvds can spin at slower speeds than 12x for various reasons at diff times, but if the max speed a disc goes is always 4x, this would be a pretty definitive test ..
i think it's best to probably use the 12x version even though it makes more noise ..
Post by: anubus12 on July 29, 2007, 07:52:00 PM
Post by: skyzerr33 on July 29, 2007, 08:15:00 PM
media, not firmware. So if it's properly stealthed you don't have a problem C4E has before mentioned it's safe otherwise do you think he would release it
This post has been edited by skyzerr33: Jul 30 2007, 03:23 AM
Post by: prolifik71 on July 30, 2007, 03:34:00 AM
Post by: magicfx2k7 on July 30, 2007, 03:40:00 AM
I placed Firmware iXtreme_Samsung_v1.2 revC but,I do not get play games of the Xbox1.
There is some form in order that plays my back-ups of the xbox 1 in this firmware?
Post by: Tron[ADS] on July 30, 2007, 05:55:00 AM
QUOTE(prolifik71 @ Jul 30 2007, 10:34 AM)
obviously they aren't doing the speed check right now .. but they could easily implement it in the future ... record the time it takes to read say 100MB .. there should be a huge discrepancy between 4x & 12x ...
Can't imagine MS would implement such a check....As I see it, the time taken to read 100Mb at 4x could conceivebly be quicker than a stock drive reading a badly scuffed and fingerprinted disk.
Post by: Nornod on July 30, 2007, 10:42:00 PM
:: To play this disc, put it in an xbox 360 console :: message so i take the game out put it in and it works is this nornal or........ should i update to the new FW (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)
This post has been edited by Nornod: Jul 31 2007, 05:43 AM
Post by: BreEil on August 08, 2007, 02:20:00 AM
just asking cause I am planning on flashing my 360 today,
and its my first time
Post by: linnx88 on August 18, 2007, 10:36:00 AM
Went shopping for a new box yesterday and stupid Target/BestBuy didn't have them, but the guy at BestBuy gave me an attitude as if only the Elite version will come out now and you're a low life for even trying to buy the less expensive version. I barely controlled my right fist which begged to be driven into his face and walked away. The Target guy was a LOT nicer and actually said that the elites aren't selling anywhere the # they expected and they'll be stocking premiums from now on as they sell the best. So none of them had a regular premium or core and off I went to F.Y.E....didn't expect them to have anything and man i was wrong, they had it and I was sure it'd probably be a bad version but it actually turned out to be Samsung MS25.....I was happy. An hour later I had it flashed and running. I was surprised how quickly I dismantle the boxes now.
Worked perfectly with my MSI Diamond p6n Nvidia 590 mobo.
The point of this little rant is that i flashed to 1.2c and tried a bad disc, glad i had the 1.2c after reading this post.
Anyway, c4e rules.
Post by: ROBJETS on August 19, 2007, 11:13:00 PM
I may not have modded my 360 yet but that doesnt mean I dont have the equipment to do it.I definitely know how.I have been a member here for years and have modded other systems in the past.I do my research and only ask questions that havent been answered.I may not have alot of post because I choose to be discreet.Please let me know why the post was moved or deleted.
This post has been edited by ROBJETS: Aug 20 2007, 06:13 AM
Post by: TaKktiX on August 19, 2007, 11:38:00 PM
Post by: Mikekay1976 on September 21, 2007, 05:07:00 AM
were any other enhancements added to 1.1 or 1.2 which i need
other than fixing the sending of non stealth info bug over live?
i have looked and i cant see anything else
cheers
M
Post by: MarutiDriver on September 21, 2007, 08:12:00 AM
Post by: Mikekay1976 on September 21, 2007, 08:22:00 AM
QUOTE(MarutiDriver @ Sep 21 2007, 03:12 PM)
It's always recommended to use the latest version for improved security, even if you don't use backups on live, who knows who and how might be watching...
Hi
thanks for the reply, however the thing is, if there are no other changes to the code other than tweaks how it reacts to detecting none stealthed backups then there doesnt seem much point, however if there are other changes then there is.
Post by: pitsunami on September 30, 2007, 04:55:00 PM
Post by: cyclone9 on September 30, 2007, 07:24:00 PM
help!!
Post by: 360_Kid on October 01, 2007, 08:33:00 AM
QUOTE(pitsunami @ Sep 30 2007, 06:55 PM)
A ms-28 works perfectly with the quiet version but a ms-25 works only with fast version!
My ms-25 works perfect with the quiet version.
QUOTE(cyclone9 @ Sep 30 2007, 09:24 PM)
when i try to make the orig.bin add into ix1,.2c ,... then load to iprep..it say " No Valid Firmware"
help!!
You need to load the ixtreme firmware not your orig firmware.
If it is a hitachi you can load it in step three. But when you do a idump command it will dump the current firmware and store it and then when you do iflash command it will copy the necessary information on to the ixtreme firmware and flash your drive.
Post by: fredfunk on October 01, 2007, 01:58:00 PM
2 xbox360
1 Hitachi works fine with all backups with SS and ixtreme compatible
samsung m28 flashed with quiet worked on everything until the 7.29gb iso came out like fifa and conan. comes up with dirty disc error. tried the same disc on hitachi and they all work fine
Post by: davidrose9 on October 06, 2007, 03:32:00 PM
Post by: rjtd on October 07, 2007, 09:22:00 AM
Thanks.
This post has been edited by rjtd: Oct 7 2007, 04:29 PM
Post by: RichMR2 on October 10, 2007, 03:23:00 AM
Is this the best firmware to use on my TS-H943 drive? Which is better (for the drive and for reading the discs... disc drive occasionally reported dirty discs when in it's virgin state) fast or quiet? Sorry if this has been answered, seems like everything for fw is pretty old and I am digging deep in the forums to find info on it, may have overlooked some things.
Edit: Scrap the question about fast/quiet, its a ms25 so only 1 works right?
This post has been edited by RichMR2: Oct 10 2007, 10:29 AM
Post by: apw100 on October 13, 2007, 06:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Mikekay1976 @ Sep 21 2007, 12:07 PM)
I have the original 1.0 ixtreme, i DONT use non stealth files/games
were any other enhancements added to 1.1 or 1.2 which i need
other than fixing the sending of non stealth info bug over live?
i have looked and i cant see anything else
cheers
M
I am in the same situation. I have the original 1.0 ixtreme. I never use non-stealth backups, so is there any real reason to upgrade to v1.2c?
Post by: 360_Kid on October 16, 2007, 04:26:00 PM
QUOTE(fredfunk @ Oct 1 2007, 03:58 PM)
Strange:
2 xbox360
1 Hitachi works fine with all backups with SS and ixtreme compatible
samsung m28 flashed with quiet worked on everything until the 7.29gb iso came out like fifa and conan. comes up with dirty disc error. tried the same disc on hitachi and they all work fine
I have this same problem, Fifa is giving me the dirty disc error. Also I have never had a problem with a disk until I updated to ixtreme 1.2c
Has anyone fixed this?
Thanks!!!
This post has been edited by 360_Kid: Oct 16 2007, 11:33 PM
Post by: RichMR2 on October 17, 2007, 04:45:00 AM
Edit: One thing though, quiet seems faster than fast...
This post has been edited by RichMR2: Oct 17 2007, 11:46 AM
Post by: Toddler on October 17, 2007, 09:50:00 AM
QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Oct 17 2007, 05:45 AM)
Edit: One thing though, quiet seems faster than fast...
Maybe you've got cheap media or a dying laser. The only way "quiet" is faster than "fast" is if your laser has a hard time reading discs at 12x. But even using fast firmware, it should fall back to slower speeds after excessive read errors.
Post by: RichMR2 on October 17, 2007, 04:36:00 PM
QUOTE(Toddler @ Oct 17 2007, 05:26 PM)
Maybe you've got cheap media or a dying laser. The only way "quiet" is faster than "fast" is if your laser has a hard time reading discs at 12x. But even using fast firmware, it should fall back to slower speeds after excessive read errors.
Probably both to be honest. The drive did keep giving read errors which is why I got the elite and ended up with a spare 360. And media isn't the best, it's currently some cheapish stuff which I bought with the dvd rw before reading to use decent stuff, thought what the hell lets try it anyway and to my amazement it works. At least I can now replace the drive should it totally fail on me (or think I know how to at least, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it)
Post by: 360_Kid on October 17, 2007, 05:41:00 PM
I currently have it set to slow speed, should I change to fast?
Thanks!
Post by: Toddler on October 17, 2007, 05:50:00 PM
Post by: RichMR2 on October 18, 2007, 01:46:00 AM
Post by: wOrkzU on November 08, 2007, 08:18:00 PM