Post by: greenmile on April 04, 2005, 06:31:00 PM
However, I am still looking forward to V2 by oDD/lantus, with the real-deal skin (which it WAY better than the xxx version) and a more refined and polished gameplay experience. I've had several random crashes with xxx, much less than v1 every did. Hopefully Rice 6 plugin could be put in. And who knows, maybe those nice people at 1964 will release their latest sources, or perhaps the new PJ sources.
So, as I'm giving props to the xxx team, my heart is still set on the official V2 release.
greenmile <
Post by: ncasebee on April 04, 2005, 05:40:00 PM
Post by: Scoobysnaxx on April 04, 2005, 06:01:00 PM
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However, I am still looking forward to V2 by oDD/lantus, with the real-deal skin (which it WAY better than the xxx version) and a more refined and polished gameplay experience.
How can you be so sure that Surreal 2 will even be better that what this may turn out to be?
And I dont care how you cut it. Asking for a new Surreal after tinkering with this one after 2 DAYS, seems rude to me
Post by: AkumAPRIME on April 04, 2005, 07:14:00 PM
Post by: Viewtiful Asher on April 04, 2005, 09:50:00 PM
QUOTE(AkumAPRIME @ Apr 5 2005, 12:09 AM)
I control V2, and it will never come out as long as I am alive. So you can stop hoping...
:D :D .... *sighs* those were the days. <
Post by: Sir_Vival on April 04, 2005, 10:35:00 PM
Post by: DK|Masters on April 05, 2005, 12:40:00 AM
Thank you very much guys. <
Post by: rehab on April 05, 2005, 02:05:00 AM
QUOTE(DK|Masters @ Apr 5 2005, 05:35 AM)
Surreal v2 is just a dream. I don't believe that it will ever come out. It is just Bla Bla. There are no Progress Screenshots or anything else that can confirm odds work. So for me im vey happy with the xxx team "GogoAckman,FreakDave and Artik".It is cool to see a regulary update.
Thank you very much guys.
Thank you very much guys.
Yup, agreed.
Odd and Lantus did an amazing job on V1, and i'm sure any new version would be great too, however the guys currently working on 'XXX' should also receive a lot of respect for putting in all the work and the project is looking better by the day.
So, all i got to say is: "Thanks guys, your work is very appreciated!" <
Post by: Likklebaer on April 05, 2005, 03:35:00 AM
And while it is nice to see others trying to advance the project, I think Surreal XXX has a long way to go before it's anywhere near v1.0 in terms of stability. To be honest, it comes across as something of a rushed job to me. Almost as if the authors checked Conker was running better and then released it on the basis of that without bothering to check much else. Many games have glitches, and yet are still being reported as 100% working in the compatibility thread. Perhaps things will improve in the future, but until then v1.0 seems the much safer bet to me. <
Post by: mr_chips on April 05, 2005, 04:26:00 AM
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but until then v1.0 seems the much safer bet to me.
1.0 no longer cuts it. It simply won't run the main reason everyone wants to emulate n64: conkers bad fur day.
And as for these incompatibility problems, I haven't seen any games that won't run that used to -- other than Mario Tennis (despite that it crashed often and was basically unplayable anyhow). Where all this "the menu crashes my xbox" nonsense it coming from I don't know either. People, edit surreal.ini to set rompath and mediapath. $%#@!
And you can stick with 1.0 if you want to, frankly I'm bored to death with it. Lol, I hope you mean fdb v4 by the way, it doesn't have flicker and it's exactly the same as 1.0.
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I am still looking forward to V2 by oDD/lantus, with the real-deal skin
ok... so why not just make a new skin? Here, I'll even make a new skin with the old theme if it'll convince you to give XXX a chance.
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Post by: Justin Credible on April 05, 2005, 05:40:00 AM
What i must say is, even tough the graphics are enhanced, it cannot rival the graphics quality of Project 64 1.6. As i think Iriez said (or Lantus - don't remember sorry) there is some kind of chance to get the plug ins and core of that release kind of ported to the next surreal V2. So their "connections" to the "big names" of emulation like Rice seems to be better and so their final product (V2) for sure will be better and will have unique performance and compatibility.
But in the meantime for me (as i don't experience any new problems with surreal) the xxx update did more than satisfy my wishes - so thanks alot for you great work to Freakdave and Gogo.
P. S. As i read to all the forum topics regarding this emulator, why is it that the "XXX-Team" seems to work against the "original Team"? Wouldn't it be outstanding if you all would join forces????? -
If you would start working together i think you could built up something really BIG, because all of you are outstanding programmers i think?
Cheers
Justin <
Post by: HK$ on April 05, 2005, 07:33:00 AM
QUOTE(Justin Credible @ Apr 5 2005, 10:35 AM)
P. S. As i read to all the forum topics regarding this emulator, why is it that the "XXX-Team" seems to work against the "original Team"? Wouldn't it be outstanding if you all would join forces?????
The story began with a 'special' version of FBA-XXX. The time when everyone says omg fba-xxx is far cool than fbax it can play every neogeo games for me. lol
:P
This post has been edited by HK$: Apr 5 2005, 02:38 PM <
Post by: GogoAckman on April 05, 2005, 11:18:00 AM
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And while it is nice to see others trying to advance the project, I think Surreal XXX has a long way to go before it's anywhere near v1.0 in terms of stability.
, do you think it is our first project? Do you know what these bugs really are? Are you sure it is a memory leak problem? Did I not promise to include 3 rices plugins if I don t get the latest (and Dave is in the right way to do it)? Do you know how long it took me to rewrite all the interface (actually 3 week end, which means 6 days as I don t work on it the week, which is +- 60 hours, I don t think it is too long)?As for the ui and the rest, I am totally bored hearing it is ugly, I didn t like the old one (and it is true), so I decided to change it, if you had look a little into the sources, you would see how it sucked (in terms of editing I speak here).
For the battle between devs, I ask no more than work together but with some attitudes, it will not come tomorrow, that s for sure, I hate that "elitist" attitude here (and I was thinking it was only devs, but some ppl always criticize, it is boring, I promised to release it last week end, it was done, yes it is not finished, but you have something to try, that s all).
A side note, I am the one responsible at 100% of this ugly interface, actually, Dave is working on the emu (I help a little, but N64 emulation is not really what I like) and I am working on the port himself (ui, config, options to make some life easy , and for sure, Dave helps me too, that s how a team must work), that s why I didn t know all previous functions of surreal or didn t know the reason for some things (list cache for example).
Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 12:41:00 PM
Yea, doing UI work blows.
I could care less how resourceful/unresourceful a interface is, so long as it has the right 'look'. The original was very unique in that aspect, instead of tacking on the typical bland 'lets make a list' look that <insert port of emulator # 35435353 here> has.
Its like comparing evox to UIX <
Post by: Brouhaha on April 05, 2005, 12:47:00 PM
QUOTE(mr_chips @ Apr 5 2005, 03:21 AM)
1.0 no longer cuts it. It simply won't run the main reason everyone wants to emulate n64: conkers bad fur day.
Does the term "everyone" include me? If so, you're wrong. I could care less about Conker and love emulating the TONS of other classics on n64... <
Post by: feflicker on April 05, 2005, 11:37:00 AM
Post by: GogoAckman on April 05, 2005, 11:38:00 AM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Apr 5 2005, 05:36 PM)
It took ya 3 weeks to merge a UI used from another project into surreal? (lol)
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Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 12:28:00 PM
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Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 12:28:00 PM
QUOTE(GogoAckman @ Apr 5 2005, 10:44 AM)
Actually I like that, you know what the rom is (and the name is corrected dynamically), you have your boxart like before, what s wrong?
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Post by: mr_chips on April 05, 2005, 12:33:00 PM
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I think you may have just caught Gogo on a particular day where he didn't want opinions
I wouldn't take it personal
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Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 12:42:00 PM
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Post by: mr_chips on April 05, 2005, 12:33:00 PM
I wouldn't take it personal
Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 12:42:00 PM
QUOTE(mr_chips @ Apr 5 2005, 11:39 AM)
I think you may have just caught Gogo on a particular day where he didn't want opinions
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Post by: GogoAckman on April 05, 2005, 12:52:00 PM
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, it is not the first time you criticize the work just to criticize, I don t call that an opinion.
As for the respect, I think all the 1rst authors are in the credits, I did not forget anyone I think, I am just defending myself/dave and the emu, it is still an early beta, I am not for a public release "when it is done" and after all, when we ll sort out this "version", there will be missing something (romlist cache is the best example).
And after all ->
what was this?Do you think it is that easy? It maybe took me 6 weeks to do something you find easy, but do it before speaking. It is not because the ui looks like fbax (and is inspired by it) that it is only a copy-paste of it, I actually took the xlmenu.cpp and panel.cpp, all the rest was partially or totally rewrited.
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Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 01:17:00 PM
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Sorry, I would try to validate my points again, but I really dont want to muck through that engrish.
It was all pretty clear anyhow.
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Post by: DK|Masters on April 05, 2005, 01:35:00 PM
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sorry my message came to late. how i can see you have allready apologized so take my apologize too. Just wont let someone to critisize a Programmer.
sorry
buddies
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Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 01:56:00 PM
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Post by: GogoAckman on April 05, 2005, 12:52:00 PM
, it is not the first time you criticize the work just to criticize, I don t call that an opinion.As for the respect, I think all the 1rst authors are in the credits, I did not forget anyone I think, I am just defending myself/dave and the emu, it is still an early beta, I am not for a public release "when it is done" and after all, when we ll sort out this "version", there will be missing something (romlist cache is the best example).
And after all ->
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It took ya 3 weeks to merge a UI used from another project into surreal? (lol)
what was this?Do you think it is that easy? It maybe took me 6 weeks to do something you find easy, but do it before speaking. It is not because the ui looks like fbax (and is inspired by it) that it is only a copy-paste of it, I actually took the xlmenu.cpp and panel.cpp, all the rest was partially or totally rewrited.
Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 01:17:00 PM
It was all pretty clear anyhow.
Post by: DK|Masters on April 05, 2005, 01:35:00 PM
sorry
buddies
Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 01:56:00 PM
QUOTE(DK|Masters @ Apr 5 2005, 12:38 PM)
oh man gogo im with you and your team. You are right with what you say.
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Post by: ghostavel on April 05, 2005, 02:09:00 PM
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Post by: camora on April 05, 2005, 02:10:00 PM
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Post by: ghostavel on April 05, 2005, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: camora on April 05, 2005, 02:10:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Apr 5 2005, 07:23 PM)
Sorry, I would try to validate my points again, but I really dont want to muck through that engrish.
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Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 02:16:00 PM
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Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 02:16:00 PM
QUOTE(DK|Masters @ Apr 5 2005, 12:41 PM)
sorry my message came to late. how i can see you have allready apologized so take my apologize too. Just wont let someone to critisize a Programmer.
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Post by: desertboy on April 05, 2005, 02:27:00 PM
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Post by: desertboy on April 05, 2005, 02:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Apr 5 2005, 08:22 PM)
I didnt apologize, nor will I. I have nothing to apologize for.
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Post by: rehab on April 05, 2005, 02:55:00 PM
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Post by: rehab on April 05, 2005, 02:55:00 PM
QUOTE(nagmine @ Apr 5 2005, 08:40 PM)
seriously change the skin back and give respect to the orginal devs and help.
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Post by: nagmine on April 05, 2005, 03:09:00 PM
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why make a new skin when they old one was good the way it was?!? They are asking for feedback and thats whats im saying yes the game crashes alot.. ok why not stick with the orginal skin and focus on the emulation.. making the new ugly skin probably wasted time on what could have been emulation stuff. Yes it is just a UI but he completely took away the glory of the orginal surreal. It dosnt LOOK like surreal anymore.. it looks like another xxx rehash.
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Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 03:20:00 PM
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Eh, who cares about the interface. If someone wants to spend some time on it, you can incorperate 'most' of the old look back in by skinning.
Its the core that matters, and its the core that freakdave has made his improvements on. Well, i guess i shouldnt say 'core' but instead video plugin, which is all can be done on this project since there's no new core sources availible.
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Post by: Likklebaer on April 05, 2005, 04:05:00 PM
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Post by: nagmine on April 05, 2005, 03:09:00 PM
Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 03:20:00 PM
Its the core that matters, and its the core that freakdave has made his improvements on. Well, i guess i shouldnt say 'core' but instead video plugin, which is all can be done on this project since there's no new core sources availible.
Post by: Likklebaer on April 05, 2005, 04:05:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Apr 5 2005, 08:22 PM)
Jan Klaassen made a direct request, and was directly declined/ignored/insulted.
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Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 04:18:00 PM
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Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 04:18:00 PM
QUOTE(Likklebaer @ Apr 5 2005, 03:11 PM)
Yeah, that was hilarious. 
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Post by: DolfhinDC on April 05, 2005, 04:29:00 PM
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Not feeding any trolls or something
But why are most of you guys even involved in this? A argument between two guys is one thing but the rest of the board jumping in is another thing.
Fine it's your opinion if you don't like the UI but do you really have to blame the author for having another taste and then saying that the global warming is his fault?
Man you guys are like 12 year old politicans, I mean Gogo and Irez having a discusion is fine but that doesn't mean that all the skin bitching should go in this thread to.
Man, Xbox-Scene is a soap these days, it's almost frighting that I enjoy watching it.
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Post by: nagmine on April 05, 2005, 05:25:00 PM
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Post by: DolfhinDC on April 05, 2005, 04:29:00 PM
But why are most of you guys even involved in this? A argument between two guys is one thing but the rest of the board jumping in is another thing.
Fine it's your opinion if you don't like the UI but do you really have to blame the author for having another taste and then saying that the global warming is his fault?
Man you guys are like 12 year old politicans, I mean Gogo and Irez having a discusion is fine but that doesn't mean that all the skin bitching should go in this thread to.
Man, Xbox-Scene is a soap these days, it's almost frighting that I enjoy watching it.
Post by: nagmine on April 05, 2005, 05:25:00 PM
QUOTE(DolfhinDC @ Apr 5 2005, 10:35 PM)
Not feeding any trolls or something
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Post by: knepley on April 05, 2005, 06:27:00 PM
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noobs trying to hate on Iriez.
No one make fun of programmers, they might stop flicker filtering lantus's release.
The plain truth is that lantus did the virtual memory code and a ton of the heavy lifting code already. Noobs can't understand like Iriez can't program. Beta testers are very necessary.
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Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 08:18:00 PM
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Post by: knepley on April 05, 2005, 06:27:00 PM
noobs trying to hate on Iriez.No one make fun of programmers, they might stop flicker filtering lantus's release.
The plain truth is that lantus did the virtual memory code and a ton of the heavy lifting code already. Noobs can't understand like Iriez can't program. Beta testers are very necessary.
Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 08:18:00 PM
QUOTE(vernonjr @ Apr 5 2005, 07:04 PM)
question, i havent been around for all too long but from what iriez said the original devs didnt want xxx team to work on the emulator? I thought the source code was public, but im not sure though since i havent been around all that long.
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Post by: Eventide on April 05, 2005, 09:31:00 PM
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The way this forum acts is embarrasing.
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Post by: VampX on April 05, 2005, 09:34:00 PM
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And thats why i stay out of most Surreal threads.
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Post by: Running_with_Scissors on April 05, 2005, 09:37:00 PM
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I agree, it's one hell of a toboggan ride.
I'm just glad I had the forethought to bring popcorn, a violin and a bucket to urinate in should the hilarity intensify suddenly.
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Post by: Mr.INSANE on April 05, 2005, 09:56:00 PM
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i figure its about time to step in and say something in this case devs have all the right in the world to change the skin they did rewrite the ui didt they so the old surreal ui would not work i am really getting sick and tired of this constant bashing look at you guys your whining over a skin and that the real surrel v2 is taking forever well guess what this is the real world it may come out it may not surreal v2 is supposed to be released by christmas i love the devs release there awesome they actually took time out of there lifes to add some stuff to it you know whats even worse if lantus hadnt release the source people would bitch all over the forums about no updates but they do anyways i have been a member of the scene for quite awhile ive had a look at alot of things but this has gone on far enough why do you guys think there arent alot of updates to the xbox becuase people are tired of all this shit about oh you didnt support this so it sucks i am tired of this crap but no matter what its not going to go away and while im at it ill say one thing that has made me lose my fucking mind people who make a whole thread about one fucking problem why cant the post in the compatabilty thread why becuase they are idiots and they like to waste xbox scenes mod time with there crap on my last note DEVS can do whatever they want with the source lantus released it so people would add there own things to it not for people to flame all day about it
yes i didnt use periods or anything i dont care
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Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 10:27:00 PM
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Post by: Eventide on April 05, 2005, 09:31:00 PM
Post by: VampX on April 05, 2005, 09:34:00 PM
Post by: Running_with_Scissors on April 05, 2005, 09:37:00 PM
I'm just glad I had the forethought to bring popcorn, a violin and a bucket to urinate in should the hilarity intensify suddenly.
Post by: Mr.INSANE on April 05, 2005, 09:56:00 PM
yes i didnt use periods or anything i dont care
Post by: Iriez on April 05, 2005, 10:27:00 PM
QUOTE(HK$ @ Apr 5 2005, 07:38 PM)
But not welcome to add what the original authors dont want they to
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Post by: Jonesy_47 on April 05, 2005, 10:40:00 PM
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Wow...havent posted here in a while.
but yeah,
This Surreal XXX VS. Surreal Ver. 2 debacle is crackin me up. I wont get into my opinions on either (quite frankly, i couldve done without Conker but i really like the less clunky ui <<<personal opinion) but i will say that Surreal XXX couldnt have come out at a better time. Just when the scene was losing interest/hope in Ver. 2, BOOM!, Surreal XXX comes and starts stirring shiza up. Couldnt have asked for more excitement if Ver. 2 were to come out anytime soon. Honestly, fdb releases are kinda just time killers until Ver. 2 comes out (dont get me wrong tho, i love em and if lantus and odd dont implelement that slick flicker filter in the next release they are tards). Heres some advice Lantus (PLEEEEEEEASE TAKE IT!). If odd is EVER back online, PLEASE ASK FOR THE SOURCE that you guys have been workin away on like lil munchkins for months now. Even if you didnt compile it, SWEET GAWD would it come in handy.
Ah ha ha...this forums always a great source of entertainment
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK ALL YOU DEVELOPERS/PORTERS/WHATEVER
Cant tell you how much ive enjoyed the n64 on xbox emulation scene. True, I may play other emulators more on my xbox or ... *GASP* god forbid, legitamately purchased Xbox games, but i still love the oppurtunity to replay some of my favs without having to dig out my dustyass n64 (AND with snazzy flicker filter now).
p.s.
WWF NO MERCY FLIPPIN WORKS WITHOUT TEXTURE PROBLEMS!!! SWEET!!!
Slight audio glitching sometimes. The game also tends to pause in action every few seconds when theres four people on the screen...STILL SWEET THO!!!
(feel so weird bein hyped about that...i hate wrestling but that games primo for multiplayer madness)
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Post by: GogoAckman on April 05, 2005, 11:46:00 PM
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, yep I do not respect the license, that s for sure, the first I had story with was lantus, when I decided to remove new games, I had tons of messages "why wouldn t xxxx work in this special version", so I prefear to include them myself, and I explained neogeo emulation is piracy if you don t own the game, either kof96 or kof2003.
As I said to Jan Klaassens, they re not respecting their own license (kof2002 was integrated something like a yar to early), and after some reactions, I have no respect anymore for some persons.
As for the show (yes, Dave didn t ask me to do it, sure, I just wanted to get involved in this with a shitty menu), things are differents, I was trying to rewrite VMM in fbaxxx (when I saw, it was basically finally the same thing that lantus did, I only did boost it a little) when Dave came out, presenting me a new version and saying to me he was now working with me, he asked me to change the interface like fbax because it took too much resources, was slow and hard to add anything (even with my submenu function), I said to it I already asked here and that many of you asked me to keep the same interface, but as a team work, I executed.
As for another remark, yes freakdave did all things, I only put my name on it (but what a name, internationally recognize as the best lamer ever), like manto did on fbaxxx and on kixxx (I only asked him how softwarefilters work
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Post by: HK$ on April 06, 2005, 12:03:00 AM
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I'm wondering maybe adding a background ingame will take more resources?
Which UI to use in the launcher doesnt matter but use skins ingame will affect emulation.
That must be the reason why you dont see a skin ingame for MAMEoX.
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Post by: sil247 on April 06, 2005, 12:21:00 AM
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Post by: rehab on April 06, 2005, 01:28:00 AM
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Post by: Jonesy_47 on April 05, 2005, 10:40:00 PM
but yeah,
This Surreal XXX VS. Surreal Ver. 2 debacle is crackin me up. I wont get into my opinions on either (quite frankly, i couldve done without Conker but i really like the less clunky ui <<<personal opinion) but i will say that Surreal XXX couldnt have come out at a better time. Just when the scene was losing interest/hope in Ver. 2, BOOM!, Surreal XXX comes and starts stirring shiza up. Couldnt have asked for more excitement if Ver. 2 were to come out anytime soon. Honestly, fdb releases are kinda just time killers until Ver. 2 comes out (dont get me wrong tho, i love em and if lantus and odd dont implelement that slick flicker filter in the next release they are tards). Heres some advice Lantus (PLEEEEEEEASE TAKE IT!). If odd is EVER back online, PLEASE ASK FOR THE SOURCE that you guys have been workin away on like lil munchkins for months now. Even if you didnt compile it, SWEET GAWD would it come in handy.
Ah ha ha...this forums always a great source of entertainment
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK ALL YOU DEVELOPERS/PORTERS/WHATEVER
Cant tell you how much ive enjoyed the n64 on xbox emulation scene. True, I may play other emulators more on my xbox or ... *GASP* god forbid, legitamately purchased Xbox games, but i still love the oppurtunity to replay some of my favs without having to dig out my dustyass n64 (AND with snazzy flicker filter now).
p.s.
WWF NO MERCY FLIPPIN WORKS WITHOUT TEXTURE PROBLEMS!!! SWEET!!!
Slight audio glitching sometimes. The game also tends to pause in action every few seconds when theres four people on the screen...STILL SWEET THO!!!
(feel so weird bein hyped about that...i hate wrestling but that games primo for multiplayer madness)
Post by: GogoAckman on April 05, 2005, 11:46:00 PM
, yep I do not respect the license, that s for sure, the first I had story with was lantus, when I decided to remove new games, I had tons of messages "why wouldn t xxxx work in this special version", so I prefear to include them myself, and I explained neogeo emulation is piracy if you don t own the game, either kof96 or kof2003.As I said to Jan Klaassens, they re not respecting their own license (kof2002 was integrated something like a yar to early), and after some reactions, I have no respect anymore for some persons.
As for the show (yes, Dave didn t ask me to do it, sure, I just wanted to get involved in this with a shitty menu), things are differents, I was trying to rewrite VMM in fbaxxx (when I saw, it was basically finally the same thing that lantus did, I only did boost it a little) when Dave came out, presenting me a new version and saying to me he was now working with me, he asked me to change the interface like fbax because it took too much resources, was slow and hard to add anything (even with my submenu function), I said to it I already asked here and that many of you asked me to keep the same interface, but as a team work, I executed.
As for another remark, yes freakdave did all things, I only put my name on it (but what a name, internationally recognize as the best lamer ever), like manto did on fbaxxx and on kixxx (I only asked him how softwarefilters work
).
Post by: HK$ on April 06, 2005, 12:03:00 AM
QUOTE(GogoAckman @ Apr 6 2005, 05:52 AM)
he asked me to change the interface like fbax because it took too much resources, was slow
I'm wondering maybe adding a background ingame will take more resources?
Which UI to use in the launcher doesnt matter but use skins ingame will affect emulation.
That must be the reason why you dont see a skin ingame for MAMEoX.
Post by: sil247 on April 06, 2005, 12:21:00 AM
Post by: rehab on April 06, 2005, 01:28:00 AM
QUOTE(enderandrew @ Apr 6 2005, 04:07 AM)
Then don't expect people to read your posts.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: 0123456 on April 06, 2005, 05:30:00 AM
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Foe-hammer on April 06, 2005, 06:09:00 AM
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Post by: 0123456 on April 06, 2005, 05:30:00 AM
Post by: Foe-hammer on April 06, 2005, 06:09:00 AM
QUOTE(123456 @ Apr 6 2005, 11:36 AM)
Dont injure your moderating hand - mini Hitler
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Gotetsu on April 06, 2005, 08:18:00 AM
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Post by: Gotetsu on April 06, 2005, 08:18:00 AM
QUOTE(lantus @ Apr 6 2005, 03:44 AM)
surreal threads rock
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: 666weasel on April 06, 2005, 08:45:00 AM
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This is real amusing to me.....
The attitude of some people to the devs of Surreal and XXX.....They took their time and knowledge and brought us something we didnt have, which is an emulator for the N64 that works on the xbox. (And an updated version, respectively)
Its not perfected yet and v2 will come out whenever it does and not before.....
But the amount of time people spend whining about it is incredible! Try and focus on the fact that the devs are not getting paid and you are not buying anything, and so whatever you do get is a bonus.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: chilin_dude on April 06, 2005, 09:38:00 AM
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Post by: 666weasel on April 06, 2005, 08:45:00 AM
The attitude of some people to the devs of Surreal and XXX.....They took their time and knowledge and brought us something we didnt have, which is an emulator for the N64 that works on the xbox. (And an updated version, respectively)
Its not perfected yet and v2 will come out whenever it does and not before.....
But the amount of time people spend whining about it is incredible! Try and focus on the fact that the devs are not getting paid and you are not buying anything, and so whatever you do get is a bonus.
Post by: chilin_dude on April 06, 2005, 09:38:00 AM
QUOTE(nagmine @ Apr 5 2005, 08:40 PM)
yeah i gota be on Iriez side about all this.. gogo isnt the most respected dev of the scene. His the only thing that got him popular was the fuck what lantus and fba team cause i want banned roms in my fbax! Seriously im not suprised he defiled the skin of surreal...
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: zero5 on April 06, 2005, 10:45:00 AM
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: DeathFromAbove on April 06, 2005, 11:21:00 AM
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Post by: zero5 on April 06, 2005, 10:45:00 AM
Post by: DeathFromAbove on April 06, 2005, 11:21:00 AM
QUOTE(zero5 @ Apr 6 2005, 10:51 AM)
Can't we all get along ?
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: 0123456 on April 06, 2005, 12:52:00 PM
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Whats really amusing to me is that I wandered away from the XB scene a while ago (around the time FDB dropped version 1 of his Surreal update) when the majority of people were screaming "OMFG!!!!1!!! I n33D SurReAl v2 NO\/\/" (which is never going to be released anyway, as I said back then) and just dropped in today to see whats new in groove town...
...Nothing at all - same old threads, same old begging and same "bitch about something until its released - bitch about features when its released - bitch that the update isnt out yet" formula as before.
Based on the shots/promos/previews/posts etc.. that the authors kept on teasing the seething masses with back then and the total lack of any release (not even a tiny little update from the official boys?) is anyone really surprised that someone took it upon themselves to liberate/rape (delete where applicable according to perspective) the emu?
"Those that have" flaunt in front of "those that don't" then complain when "those that don't but do have initiative" hijack them on behalf of the people.
I couldn't give a fuck about Surreal or the XB scene but it sure is entertaining...
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Iriez on April 06, 2005, 01:10:00 PM
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Post by: 0123456 on April 06, 2005, 12:52:00 PM
...Nothing at all - same old threads, same old begging and same "bitch about something until its released - bitch about features when its released - bitch that the update isnt out yet" formula as before.
Based on the shots/promos/previews/posts etc.. that the authors kept on teasing the seething masses with back then and the total lack of any release (not even a tiny little update from the official boys?) is anyone really surprised that someone took it upon themselves to liberate/rape (delete where applicable according to perspective) the emu?
"Those that have" flaunt in front of "those that don't" then complain when "those that don't but do have initiative" hijack them on behalf of the people.
I couldn't give a fuck about Surreal or the XB scene but it sure is entertaining...
Post by: Iriez on April 06, 2005, 01:10:00 PM
QUOTE(chilin_dude @ Apr 6 2005, 08:44 AM)
Where as I am on the other side.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: GogoAckman on April 06, 2005, 01:33:00 PM
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3) as I always said, sources must be available, why don t bother lantus about this (license not on site, not the latest sources)
4) I don t really care about kof2003,mslug5 or snk vs capcom, I did it because I better want 99% ppl happy and 1% insulting me, the truth is I don t even play at this games, and I don t play too much at emus, actually, the only games I play now is programming (lol) and GT4 .
5) I would like to apologize to people, this story is really annoying and will not make the emu(s) advance in any way, I sould follow Dave who is hardly working
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: psxpirate1 on April 06, 2005, 02:19:00 PM
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: desertboy on April 06, 2005, 02:57:00 PM
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: rehab on April 06, 2005, 04:04:00 PM
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Err...
You don't like "Gogo's emu" and its followers?
Also, you hate Neo-Geo kiddies..
Hmz.. that's your good right.
I hate people who can't seem to stay on-topic and bitch about irrelevant stuff..
Ah well.. enough time wasted with this BS, can't believe the negativity some people have over nothing, some people should've stuck with their atari-2600 and should've never looked at other systems.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Likklebaer on April 06, 2005, 04:26:00 PM
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A license is stupid when the author's entire justification for it is "'cos I say so". Nobody has yet been able to provide a satisfactory explanation as to how pirating one game is less moral than pirating another, regardless of age. It's still playing without paying unless you own the game (and I'm sure there are some folks with legit copies of SVC Chaos).
Emu authors ignore games companies wishes by providing the means to play their 'intellectual properties' on platforms other than those they were designed to be played on. And then bitch when users do the same to them.
And if you don't want people messing with your code then don't release it. Relying on the moral fibre of a scene based on piracy is just plain dumb.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: elvato on April 06, 2005, 05:01:00 PM
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that's truth
That's also thruth... the difference is that when they are doing it, it's ok and they don't disrespect anything, but when someone is working with their code, it's inmoral and such..
The original surral is great, i bet the original authors did many many work on this emu, but that was long time ago, and I know that they are working hard on surreal v2... but at this time people got tired of waiting, but that's mainly for the original authors overhyping(spell?) it for so many time but giving nothing to the emu community besides long long delays
this new xxx version is only an upgrade to the original, improves some things, replaces others, but, as gogo wrote in this forum, it's only a beta, it stills have some errors, bugs and such but, releasing the beta and making the emu community test it and report bugs, it's gogo and daves way to work on it... different methods same result in the end as I believe the ultimate end is to make a 100% perfect N64 emulation on XBOX.
I know that kind of releases bring some "kiddies", "leechers", "lamers", and name wathever you want to add to the list (the fact that we give those people that type of "categories" make us elitist, you know?)... but then again these people will always be there and sooner or later they will appear... I think we all should be aware of that and stop complaining... if someone doesn't want this version then don't use it and wait for the next surreal, if you like it then use it and if you want to, help reporting bugs to try to make it more stable... it's not that hard to understand
please people don't try to fool yourselves, the emulation scence is almost 100% illegal, and some licenses are broken, but sometimes it seems that some people either don't want to accept it, or keep liying to themselves that it isn't...
C'ya..
P.S. i think i went a little offtopic here... maybe....
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Likklebaer on April 06, 2005, 05:43:00 PM
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Post by: GogoAckman on April 06, 2005, 01:33:00 PM
)3) as I always said, sources must be available, why don t bother lantus about this (license not on site, not the latest sources)
4) I don t really care about kof2003,mslug5 or snk vs capcom, I did it because I better want 99% ppl happy and 1% insulting me, the truth is I don t even play at this games, and I don t play too much at emus, actually, the only games I play now is programming (lol) and GT4
.5) I would like to apologize to people, this story is really annoying and will not make the emu(s) advance in any way, I sould follow Dave who is hardly working
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Post by: psxpirate1 on April 06, 2005, 02:19:00 PM
Post by: desertboy on April 06, 2005, 02:57:00 PM
Post by: rehab on April 06, 2005, 04:04:00 PM
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The whole thing that annoys me about gogo is i just dont like his emu and the fallowers of his emu... These neogeo kiddies make me hate the emu scene....
Err...
You don't like "Gogo's emu" and its followers?
Also, you hate Neo-Geo kiddies..
Hmz.. that's your good right.
I hate people who can't seem to stay on-topic and bitch about irrelevant stuff..
Ah well.. enough time wasted with this BS, can't believe the negativity some people have over nothing, some people should've stuck with their atari-2600 and should've never looked at other systems.
Post by: Likklebaer on April 06, 2005, 04:26:00 PM
Emu authors ignore games companies wishes by providing the means to play their 'intellectual properties' on platforms other than those they were designed to be played on. And then bitch when users do the same to them.
And if you don't want people messing with your code then don't release it. Relying on the moral fibre of a scene based on piracy is just plain dumb.
Post by: elvato on April 06, 2005, 05:01:00 PM
QUOTE(Likklebaer @ Apr 6 2005, 04:32 PM)
Nobody has yet been able to provide a satisfactory explanation as to how pirating one game is less moral than pirating another, regardless of age. It's still playing without paying unless you own the game
that's truth
QUOTE(Likklebaer @ Apr 6 2005, 04:32 PM)
Emu authors ignore games companies wishes by providing the means to play their 'intellectual properties' on platforms other than those they were designed to be played on. And then bitch when users do the same to them.
That's also thruth... the difference is that when they are doing it, it's ok and they don't disrespect anything, but when someone is working with their code, it's inmoral and such..
The original surral is great, i bet the original authors did many many work on this emu, but that was long time ago, and I know that they are working hard on surreal v2... but at this time people got tired of waiting, but that's mainly for the original authors overhyping(spell?) it for so many time but giving nothing to the emu community besides long long delays
this new xxx version is only an upgrade to the original, improves some things, replaces others, but, as gogo wrote in this forum, it's only a beta, it stills have some errors, bugs and such but, releasing the beta and making the emu community test it and report bugs, it's gogo and daves way to work on it... different methods same result in the end as I believe the ultimate end is to make a 100% perfect N64 emulation on XBOX.
I know that kind of releases bring some "kiddies", "leechers", "lamers", and name wathever you want to add to the list (the fact that we give those people that type of "categories" make us elitist, you know?)... but then again these people will always be there and sooner or later they will appear... I think we all should be aware of that and stop complaining... if someone doesn't want this version then don't use it and wait for the next surreal, if you like it then use it and if you want to, help reporting bugs to try to make it more stable... it's not that hard to understand
please people don't try to fool yourselves, the emulation scence is almost 100% illegal, and some licenses are broken, but sometimes it seems that some people either don't want to accept it, or keep liying to themselves that it isn't...
C'ya..
P.S. i think i went a little offtopic here... maybe....
Post by: Likklebaer on April 06, 2005, 05:43:00 PM
QUOTE(nagmine @ Apr 6 2005, 10:45 PM)
3 years go by and u dont see kof2000 in arcades.. why? cause it isnt making money anymore.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Mr.INSANE on April 06, 2005, 05:50:00 PM
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sorry for being a retard reread it now with captials
i figure its about time to step in and say something. In this case devs have all the right in the world to change the skin they did rewrite the ui didt they so the old surreal ui would not work. I am really getting sick and tired of this constant bashing look at you guys your whining over a skin and that the real surrel v2 is taking forever well guess what this is the real world it may come out it may not. surreal v2 is supposed to be released by christmas i love the devs release there awesome they actually took time out of there lifes to add some stuff to it. You know whats even worse if lantus hadnt release the source people would bitch all over the forums about no updates but they do anyways. i have been a member of the scene for quite awhile ive had a look at alot of things but this has gone on far enough. Why do you guys think there arent alot of updates to the xbox becuase people are tired of all this shit about oh you didnt support this so it sucks. I am tired of this crap but no matter what its not going to go away. While im at it ill say one thing that has made me lose my fucking mind people who make a whole thread about one fucking problem. Why cant the post in the compatabilty thread why becuase they are idiots and they like to waste xbox scenes mod time with there crap. on my last note DEVS can do whatever they want with the source lantus released it so people would add there own things to it not for people to flame all day about it.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: themadman123 on April 06, 2005, 06:48:00 PM
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I still didn't read it, make paragraphs. its just bunched up together.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: incognegro on April 06, 2005, 07:02:00 PM
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hmmmmm........The way i see it is, none of these ppl are contributing to the advancement of surreal by all this bickering. Original authors deserve respect for making this wonderful emulater. gogo made a valid attempt at improving an emulater that was in dire need of updating. I don't see anybody else other than those that worked on surreal xxx adding anything to this emulater. By being a part of this argumment theyre only taking away from a wonderful thing and as a person that plays this on a regular basis, I have to say FUCK YOU ALL! If your not contributing to making surreal better then shut the fuck up........simple! It's kinda frustrating to read this and realising that this is not helping, If there is ever going to be a truly great version of the emulator this garbage should stop. Don't critcize if you can't do a better job and if you can; do it!
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: VampX on April 06, 2005, 07:41:00 PM
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Wont the real Surreal please stand up! please stand up!
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dont hit me
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: HK$ on April 06, 2005, 08:43:00 PM
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For Surreal, no one said the xxx version is not good.
One more choice for ppl is good.
You can choose what you like to use for N64 emulation.
But for FBAxxx, that is not the problem....
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: radio5 on April 06, 2005, 09:54:00 PM
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Right or Wrong, the way I see it is this:
Progress on Nintendo 64 emulation on the Scene, which is drying up fast.
And as far as Gogo, er... goes, despite his attitude (possibly caused by culture clash/language barrier?) I think he's receiving a little too much shit. I mean, at least he's contributing, which is more than most of us (myself included) can do.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Mr.INSANE on April 06, 2005, 09:59:00 PM
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Post by: Mr.INSANE on April 06, 2005, 05:50:00 PM
i figure its about time to step in and say something. In this case devs have all the right in the world to change the skin they did rewrite the ui didt they so the old surreal ui would not work. I am really getting sick and tired of this constant bashing look at you guys your whining over a skin and that the real surrel v2 is taking forever well guess what this is the real world it may come out it may not. surreal v2 is supposed to be released by christmas i love the devs release there awesome they actually took time out of there lifes to add some stuff to it. You know whats even worse if lantus hadnt release the source people would bitch all over the forums about no updates but they do anyways. i have been a member of the scene for quite awhile ive had a look at alot of things but this has gone on far enough. Why do you guys think there arent alot of updates to the xbox becuase people are tired of all this shit about oh you didnt support this so it sucks. I am tired of this crap but no matter what its not going to go away. While im at it ill say one thing that has made me lose my fucking mind people who make a whole thread about one fucking problem. Why cant the post in the compatabilty thread why becuase they are idiots and they like to waste xbox scenes mod time with there crap. on my last note DEVS can do whatever they want with the source lantus released it so people would add there own things to it not for people to flame all day about it.
Post by: themadman123 on April 06, 2005, 06:48:00 PM
Post by: incognegro on April 06, 2005, 07:02:00 PM
Post by: VampX on April 06, 2005, 07:41:00 PM
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A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Wont the real Surreal please stand up! please stand up!
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dont hit me
Post by: HK$ on April 06, 2005, 08:43:00 PM
One more choice for ppl is good.
You can choose what you like to use for N64 emulation.
But for FBAxxx, that is not the problem....
Post by: radio5 on April 06, 2005, 09:54:00 PM
Progress on Nintendo 64 emulation on the Scene, which is drying up fast.
And as far as Gogo, er... goes, despite his attitude (possibly caused by culture clash/language barrier?) I think he's receiving a little too much shit. I mean, at least he's contributing, which is more than most of us (myself included) can do.
Post by: Mr.INSANE on April 06, 2005, 09:59:00 PM
QUOTE(themadman123 @ Apr 7 2005, 12:54 AM)
I still didn't read it, make paragraphs. its just bunched up together.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Thraxen on April 06, 2005, 10:16:00 PM
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Haha... more "developer's wishes" debates. I'm jumping in late, but I'm throwing this out anyway. Iriez talks about Gogo ignoring the FBA devs wishes, how disrespectful it is, and how the original devs (as opposed to porters) should be the most respected. Yeah, maybe they should get more respect than porters, but what is ignored, yet again, is the actual wishes of the original game devs. Did Jan, or whoever, ask any SNK or Capcom devs if they cared if their games were emulated. Doubt it. So go ahead and bitch at Gogo about disrespecting team FBA, but the disrespect starts earlier than that. Hey, I love emulators like anyone else here, but I'm sick of these ludicrous debates. When will people own up to the fact that emulators are a bit shady to begin with and any debates of this nature are purely hypocritcal?
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: HK$ on April 06, 2005, 10:39:00 PM
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: GogoAckman on April 06, 2005, 11:27:00 PM
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Post by: Thraxen on April 06, 2005, 10:16:00 PM
Post by: HK$ on April 06, 2005, 10:39:00 PM
Post by: GogoAckman on April 06, 2005, 11:27:00 PM
QUOTE(HK$ @ Apr 7 2005, 04:45 AM)
GOGO is a coder not a porter, lantus and Tmaul is the porter of FBAx at the beginning and they should gain the most respect beside the original authors of FBA.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Gotetsu on April 06, 2005, 11:58:00 PM
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Post by: Gotetsu on April 06, 2005, 11:58:00 PM
QUOTE(lantus @ Apr 7 2005, 12:51 AM)
in the early days it was fun, these days its just bleh
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: jimjom on April 07, 2005, 12:16:00 AM
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Gotetsu on April 07, 2005, 12:19:00 AM
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Post by: jimjom on April 07, 2005, 12:16:00 AM
Post by: Gotetsu on April 07, 2005, 12:19:00 AM
QUOTE(jimjom @ Apr 7 2005, 06:22 AM)
ummmmm, lantus.....
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: XDelusion on April 07, 2005, 02:26:00 AM
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The irony...
...how can people actually hate the gift horse?
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: DolfhinDC on April 07, 2005, 02:41:00 AM
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Post by: XDelusion on April 07, 2005, 02:26:00 AM
...how can people actually hate the gift horse?
Post by: DolfhinDC on April 07, 2005, 02:41:00 AM
QUOTE(XDelusion @ Apr 7 2005, 09:32 AM)
The irony...
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Justin Credible on April 07, 2005, 02:55:00 AM
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Justin
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: mr_chips on April 07, 2005, 03:46:00 AM
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of course it's true, and I'll tell you how:
he's sitting on top of his xbox playing his PS2, PSP, NDS and Dreamcast all at the same time
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Foe-hammer on April 07, 2005, 04:14:00 AM
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Post by: Justin Credible on April 07, 2005, 02:55:00 AM
Justin
Post by: mr_chips on April 07, 2005, 03:46:00 AM
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My friend said he was able to play PS2, PSP, Nintendo DS and Dreamcast games on his Xbox at about 60 fps. Is that true, because the Xbox is far more powerful than those consoles so it must be possible! blink.gif
of course it's true, and I'll tell you how:
he's sitting on top of his xbox playing his PS2, PSP, NDS and Dreamcast all at the same time
Post by: Foe-hammer on April 07, 2005, 04:14:00 AM
QUOTE(mr_chips @ Apr 7 2005, 09:52 AM)
of course it's true, and I'll tell you how:
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: kyslug on April 07, 2005, 04:21:00 AM
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Post by: kyslug on April 07, 2005, 04:21:00 AM
QUOTE(Gotetsu @ Apr 7 2005, 06:04 AM)
In the early days you were the top xbox coder, these days youre just bleh
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: chilin_dude on April 07, 2005, 09:47:00 AM
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Post by: chilin_dude on April 07, 2005, 09:47:00 AM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Apr 6 2005, 07:16 PM)
It is not your place, or gogo's place, to determine whether a license is 'stupid' or not. It is up to the author to use that license to protect himself, and his material. No matter what you, or anyone thinks, it is not right to break that license, specifically when the author *personally* requested that he directly not do what he did.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: desertboy on April 07, 2005, 10:24:00 AM
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Post by: desertboy on April 07, 2005, 10:24:00 AM
QUOTE(lantus @ Apr 7 2005, 06:10 AM)
thats fine. frankly i could give 2 hoots about peoples opinions of me
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: desertboy on April 07, 2005, 10:41:00 AM
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Post by: desertboy on April 07, 2005, 10:41:00 AM
QUOTE(Likklebaer @ Apr 6 2005, 10:32 PM)
A license is stupid when the author's entire justification for it is "'cos I say so". Nobody has yet been able to provide a satisfactory explanation as to how pirating one game is less moral than pirating another, regardless of age. It's still playing without paying unless you own the game (and I'm sure there are some folks with legit copies of SVC Chaos).
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Iriez on April 07, 2005, 12:10:00 PM
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Post by: Iriez on April 07, 2005, 12:10:00 PM
QUOTE(Thraxen @ Apr 6 2005, 09:22 PM)
Haha... more "developer's wishes" debates. I'm jumping in late, but I'm throwing this out anyway. Iriez talks about Gogo ignoring the FBA devs wishes, how disrespectful it is, and how the original devs (as opposed to porters) should be the most respected. Yeah, maybe they should get more respect than porters, but what is ignored, yet again, is the actual wishes of the original game devs. Did Jan, or whoever, ask any SNK or Capcom devs if they cared if their games were emulated. Doubt it. So go ahead and bitch at Gogo about disrespecting team FBA, but the disrespect starts earlier than that. Hey, I love emulators like anyone else here, but I'm sick of these ludicrous debates. When will people own up to the fact that emulators are a bit shady to begin with and any debates of this nature are purely hypocritcal?
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Likklebaer on April 07, 2005, 12:38:00 PM
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Post by: Likklebaer on April 07, 2005, 12:38:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Apr 7 2005, 06:16 PM)
Anyone is welcome in my home. You can come over, you can drink my beer, eat my food, use my bathroom and sink. You can watch my tv and play my games. I just have one thing....saying "hamburger" really pisses me off. I fucking hate that word. I want to just smash babies on the wall when i hear it. So when you come into my house, you can do all this cool shit (read: Have full source and play with it) but you better respect that this is MY HOUSE (jan's source) and if you say hamburger im going to fucking kick your ass.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Arius on April 07, 2005, 12:44:00 PM
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Iriez on April 07, 2005, 12:54:00 PM
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Post by: Arius on April 07, 2005, 12:44:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Apr 7 2005, 06:16 PM)
Post by: Iriez on April 07, 2005, 12:54:00 PM
QUOTE(badmonkey @ Apr 7 2005, 11:37 AM)
The problem with your analogy is that you are not inviting them into your house. You are stepping out into a public arena. Once in that arena, you are gonna hear HAMBURGER!!!
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: chilin_dude on April 07, 2005, 01:10:00 PM
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DAMNIT, this needs a poll and I can't make one.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: VampX on April 07, 2005, 01:15:00 PM
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Likklebaer on April 07, 2005, 01:56:00 PM
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Post by: chilin_dude on April 07, 2005, 01:10:00 PM
Post by: VampX on April 07, 2005, 01:15:00 PM
Post by: Likklebaer on April 07, 2005, 01:56:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Apr 7 2005, 07:00 PM)
My analogy was absurd, of course, but jan's is not. It is also not a debate on rationality, but perception of morals.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Viewtiful Asher on April 07, 2005, 02:28:00 PM
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wow...
the emulation talk show.
*silluete of a dark woman talking*
i told my husband...george... that torrent with a fullset its too illegal.
but he didnt hear...
from there... we havent had sex all because of that damn tetris attack. *sob*
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: psxpirate1 on April 07, 2005, 03:57:00 PM
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I couldn't agree more.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: radio5 on April 07, 2005, 06:01:00 PM
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: psxpirate1 on April 07, 2005, 06:54:00 PM
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If coders want a guaranteed fool proof way of not abusing a project,.. then make it closed-source and stop bitching about all the ass-humping their code gets by whoever decides to modify it. "Oh please.. please respect my code" It's like M$ asking us not to mod our xboxes. What do we all have to say to them folks? Point being.. if you don't want your baby to be dropped.. don't leave it on a ledge for someone else to pick up.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: lantus on April 07, 2005, 06:59:00 PM
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Post by: Viewtiful Asher on April 07, 2005, 02:28:00 PM
the emulation talk show.
*silluete of a dark woman talking*
i told my husband...george... that torrent with a fullset its too illegal.
but he didnt hear...
from there... we havent had sex all because of that damn tetris attack. *sob*
Post by: psxpirate1 on April 07, 2005, 03:57:00 PM
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Either it's a Neo-Geo emulator or it isn't. Either it's open-source or it isn't. Make up your minds and stop trying to dress it up as something it's not with meaningless crap.
I couldn't agree more.
Post by: radio5 on April 07, 2005, 06:01:00 PM
Post by: psxpirate1 on April 07, 2005, 06:54:00 PM
Post by: lantus on April 07, 2005, 06:59:00 PM
QUOTE(psxpirate1 @ Apr 8 2005, 12:00 AM)
If coders want a guaranteed fool proof way of not abusing a project,.. then make it closed-source and stop bitching about all the ass-humping their code gets by whoever decides to modify it. "Oh please.. please respect my code" It's like M$ asking us not to mod our xboxes. What do we all have to say to them folks? Point being.. if you don't want your baby to be dropped.. don't leave it on a ledge for someone else to pick up.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Thraxen on April 07, 2005, 07:25:00 PM
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It all part of the same hypocrisy in this situation.
And, Lantus, you are exactly right, they do hold all the cards since they are the authors. Not much I can do about it since I'm a microbiologist, not a programmer :-) But I can, and will, give my opinion.
What gets me is people hack the PC versions all the time and they keep releasing the source code. People hack the XBox version and they whine, cry, and take their ball home. WTF? More non-sense. I just don't get how they, or anyone, claims the XBox emu scene it so bad. Nothing goes on here that doesn't or wouldn't occur in the PC scene. For example, imagine if suddenly all the source code and hacked emulators suddenly disappeared from the PC scene. You would have a large portion of the PC emu scene (many of us are part of that scene as well, BTW) suddenly complaining and asking for the hacked emus. You just don't see it because the devs don't throw the same bitch fits over the PC scene like they do over the XBox scene. More hypocrisy.
P.S. Iriez, my WinXP Pro is legit as well. I just by stuff like that OEM to get it at good prices.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: lantus on April 07, 2005, 07:31:00 PM
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: badmonkey on April 07, 2005, 07:53:00 PM
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Post by: Thraxen on April 07, 2005, 07:25:00 PM
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It's like M$ asking us not to mod our xboxes. What do we all have to say to them folks? Point being.. if you don't want your baby to be dropped.. don't leave it on a ledge for someone else to pick up.
It all part of the same hypocrisy in this situation.
And, Lantus, you are exactly right, they do hold all the cards since they are the authors. Not much I can do about it since I'm a microbiologist, not a programmer :-) But I can, and will, give my opinion.
What gets me is people hack the PC versions all the time and they keep releasing the source code. People hack the XBox version and they whine, cry, and take their ball home. WTF? More non-sense. I just don't get how they, or anyone, claims the XBox emu scene it so bad. Nothing goes on here that doesn't or wouldn't occur in the PC scene. For example, imagine if suddenly all the source code and hacked emulators suddenly disappeared from the PC scene. You would have a large portion of the PC emu scene (many of us are part of that scene as well, BTW) suddenly complaining and asking for the hacked emus. You just don't see it because the devs don't throw the same bitch fits over the PC scene like they do over the XBox scene. More hypocrisy.
P.S. Iriez, my WinXP Pro is legit as well. I just by stuff like that OEM to get it at good prices.
Post by: lantus on April 07, 2005, 07:31:00 PM
Post by: badmonkey on April 07, 2005, 07:53:00 PM
QUOTE(lantus @ Apr 7 2005, 07:37 PM)
omg i mentioned something related to surreal in this thread
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: HK$ on April 07, 2005, 08:11:00 PM
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I think Iriez really shouldnt put the special version FBA-XXX or MAMEoX which support banned games on xbins.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: badmonkey on April 07, 2005, 08:29:00 PM
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We all pick what rules we think are worth following.
Thanks to the cooooool FBA, now there are more and more ppl who think they don't need to follow the rules or respect the author's wishes.
You see a difference between an emulator that plays thousands of arcade games up to 3 years ago, and one that plays all the ones it can.
I don't.
Like I already said...
How do you think SNK felt about all those people playing Metal Slug 3 on their Xbox, before their planned release of that game for the Xbox?
How do you think Namco or Midway feel about people playing the games from their arcade compilation releases without buying those releases?
I don't see any of these emu developers pulling support for those games.
Again, as I already said...
You got a Ferrari, you are not going to be obeying the speed limit. It is still a law. A rule if you will. Developers that whine about such things as FBA-XXX are just naive. Open source may not specifically give permission for people to do whatever they feel like doing with that code, but it does put it out there for it to happen.
Not everyone is going to agree with a moral based rule like the 3 year rule, and they will work around it when possible.
If a developer is going to be so touchy about the subject, then they always have the option of closing the source.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Thraxen on April 07, 2005, 09:17:00 PM
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I'll say it again... Most emu devs aren't respecting the wishes of any game devs or publishers, so they really have no moral leg to stand on when they expect others to follow their wishes. For them to get so upset about it is pure non-sense. Pot, meet kettle. They are exactly the same, but just too arrogant to either see or admit it. That's why this issue will never be resolved. Anyway, FBAXXX doesn't technically violate any so-called "rules" any longer.
And badmoney is exactly right, the whole bias against the scene is based almost entirely in the fact that it is a console scene. They can blame it on the hacked emus all they want, but as I've pointed out nothing that occurs here is any different that what happens in the PC emu scene. The bias and ignorance is astounding.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Silentjay420 on April 07, 2005, 10:43:00 PM
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Sweet jews for jesus this is fun to watch at times.
Thanks to the originals on this great emulator.
Thanks to the new crew working on this great emulator.
Now everyone, quit being so god damn angry, step away from the computer and go play some fuckin' Mario 64.. or Zelda.. or WWF/WCW.. or Buck Bumble if your a lil light in the loafers.. have some fun again
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: badmonkey on April 07, 2005, 10:53:00 PM
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I doubt the game companies see it that way.
Oh... They are only allowing people to play pirated versions of our games 3 years or older. That is a relief.
oh well
As I said in my first post in this thread...
This debate will never have an end.
We will all go round and round till we are blue in the face, and when this round ends, it will be as it was when it started, so as to begin it all again another day. There will always be rules. There will always be people that disagree with them. There will always be people that break em.
If the source is put out there, then it is just plain silly to think that such a "rule" as the 3 year thing will ever be followed.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: GogoAckman on April 07, 2005, 11:06:00 PM
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point 2 and 3 are not respected by Lantus/Tmaul but I am the badguy (whatever are your excuses, I really don t care about someone telling me what to do and not respecting it).
I respect all points of this license, with the ips patch, it maybe can be discussed but I respect the license, so sh.t up thanks
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: GogoAckman on April 07, 2005, 11:17:00 PM
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Post by: HK$ on April 07, 2005, 08:11:00 PM
I think Iriez really shouldnt put the special version FBA-XXX or MAMEoX which support banned games on xbins.
Post by: badmonkey on April 07, 2005, 08:29:00 PM
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Oh cool.
Thanks to the cooooool FBA-XXX, now there are more and more ppl think they dont need to follow the rules or respect the author wishes.
Thanks to the cooooool FBA-XXX, now there are more and more ppl think they dont need to follow the rules or respect the author wishes.
We all pick what rules we think are worth following.
Thanks to the cooooool FBA, now there are more and more ppl who think they don't need to follow the rules or respect the author's wishes.
You see a difference between an emulator that plays thousands of arcade games up to 3 years ago, and one that plays all the ones it can.
I don't.
Like I already said...
How do you think SNK felt about all those people playing Metal Slug 3 on their Xbox, before their planned release of that game for the Xbox?
How do you think Namco or Midway feel about people playing the games from their arcade compilation releases without buying those releases?
I don't see any of these emu developers pulling support for those games.
Again, as I already said...
You got a Ferrari, you are not going to be obeying the speed limit. It is still a law. A rule if you will. Developers that whine about such things as FBA-XXX are just naive. Open source may not specifically give permission for people to do whatever they feel like doing with that code, but it does put it out there for it to happen.
Not everyone is going to agree with a moral based rule like the 3 year rule, and they will work around it when possible.
If a developer is going to be so touchy about the subject, then they always have the option of closing the source.
Post by: Thraxen on April 07, 2005, 09:17:00 PM
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Thanks to the cooooool FBA-XXX, now there are more and more ppl think they dont need to follow the rules or respect the author wishes.
I'll say it again... Most emu devs aren't respecting the wishes of any game devs or publishers, so they really have no moral leg to stand on when they expect others to follow their wishes. For them to get so upset about it is pure non-sense. Pot, meet kettle. They are exactly the same, but just too arrogant to either see or admit it. That's why this issue will never be resolved. Anyway, FBAXXX doesn't technically violate any so-called "rules" any longer.
And badmoney is exactly right, the whole bias against the scene is based almost entirely in the fact that it is a console scene. They can blame it on the hacked emus all they want, but as I've pointed out nothing that occurs here is any different that what happens in the PC emu scene. The bias and ignorance is astounding.
Post by: Silentjay420 on April 07, 2005, 10:43:00 PM
Thanks to the originals on this great emulator.
Thanks to the new crew working on this great emulator.
Now everyone, quit being so god damn angry, step away from the computer and go play some fuckin' Mario 64.. or Zelda.. or WWF/WCW.. or Buck Bumble if your a lil light in the loafers.. have some fun again
Post by: badmonkey on April 07, 2005, 10:53:00 PM
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No, they do respect the game devs, or you cant see the 3 year rules
So this is a balance between emu devs and game companies.
So this is a balance between emu devs and game companies.
I doubt the game companies see it that way.
Oh... They are only allowing people to play pirated versions of our games 3 years or older. That is a relief.
oh well
As I said in my first post in this thread...
This debate will never have an end.
We will all go round and round till we are blue in the face, and when this round ends, it will be as it was when it started, so as to begin it all again another day. There will always be rules. There will always be people that disagree with them. There will always be people that break em.
If the source is put out there, then it is just plain silly to think that such a "rule" as the 3 year thing will ever be followed.
Post by: GogoAckman on April 07, 2005, 11:06:00 PM
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- You may not sell, lease, rent or otherwise seek to gain monetary profit from FB Alpha;
- You must make public any changes you make to the source code;
- You must include, verbatim, the full text of this license;
- You may not distribute binaries which support games with copyright dates less then three years old;
- You may not distribute FB Alpha with ROM images unless you have the legal right to distribute them.
- You must make public any changes you make to the source code;
- You must include, verbatim, the full text of this license;
- You may not distribute binaries which support games with copyright dates less then three years old;
- You may not distribute FB Alpha with ROM images unless you have the legal right to distribute them.
point 2 and 3 are not respected by Lantus/Tmaul but I am the badguy (whatever are your excuses, I really don t care about someone telling me what to do and not respecting it).
I respect all points of this license, with the ips patch, it maybe can be discussed but I respect the license, so sh.t up thanks
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Post by: GogoAckman on April 07, 2005, 11:17:00 PM
QUOTE(lantus @ Apr 8 2005, 01:37 AM)
thats true - i dont see it because im only interested in what occurs in my backyard. im not the hacked driver police that goes around on every scene telling people off and bringing down websites that hosts this stuff.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Iriez on April 07, 2005, 11:18:00 PM
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Post by: Iriez on April 07, 2005, 11:18:00 PM
QUOTE(Thraxen @ Apr 7 2005, 06:31 PM)
What gets me is people hack the PC versions all the time and they keep releasing the source code. People hack the XBox version and they whine, cry, and take their ball home. WTF? More non-sense. I just don't get how they, or anyone, claims the XBox emu scene it so bad. Nothing goes on here that doesn't or wouldn't occur in the PC scene. -
Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: GogoAckman on April 07, 2005, 11:24:00 PM
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: GogoAckman on April 07, 2005, 11:37:00 PM
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, I don t care, I know what will happen if I contact oDD whit what you re saying, he doesn t even know me but he thinks I am just another lamer, what a pitty, seriously you guys are not making advance anything just slowing projects down for "your little ego trip", after that you re giving free lessons, if I was just doing this for my ego, I would have respect your license and lick your butt, but that s not the case, and I am totally not thinking about ego trip that I could work with you guys even after that if it would be to make things advance (but there is some limit, I would not lick your butt, for sure ).
As I said, ppl giving lesson when they do not respect their own morals, that just makes me sick , how could I respect you, I really don t know.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Iriez on April 07, 2005, 11:45:00 PM
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I would certianlly hope you would not lick lantus's anal orfice. That would be pretty homosexual.
If lantus was a girl on the other hand....
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: chilin_dude on April 08, 2005, 02:05:00 AM
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Well we seem to be making progress, so I propose that we both respect each other and drop our weapons.
*Drops sureal xxx*
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: BillyT2003 on April 08, 2005, 08:33:00 AM
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Hey man, like what's wrong with Hippies man, like why are you persecuting me, man? Hey man, what was I saying?
Bill T.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Iriez on April 08, 2005, 11:53:00 AM
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"Yes maddam, you have a very serious problem. You most likely have several hippies in your basement at this very moment. Soon they will be forming drum circles in your back yard. Im glad i came in time."
- Cartman
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: total_ass on April 08, 2005, 12:22:00 PM
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this thread has warped my fragile little mind.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: freakdave on April 08, 2005, 12:36:00 PM
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Post by: GogoAckman on April 07, 2005, 11:24:00 PM
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Post by: GogoAckman on April 07, 2005, 11:37:00 PM
, I don t care, I know what will happen if I contact oDD whit what you re saying, he doesn t even know me but he thinks I am just another lamer, what a pitty, seriously you guys are not making advance anything just slowing projects down for "your little ego trip", after that you re giving free lessons, if I was just doing this for my ego, I would have respect your license and lick your butt, but that s not the case, and I am totally not thinking about ego trip that I could work with you guys even after that if it would be to make things advance (but there is some limit, I would not lick your butt, for sure ).As I said, ppl giving lesson when they do not respect their own morals, that just makes me sick
, how could I respect you, I really don t know.
Post by: Iriez on April 07, 2005, 11:45:00 PM
If lantus was a girl on the other hand....
Post by: chilin_dude on April 08, 2005, 02:05:00 AM
*Drops sureal xxx*
Post by: BillyT2003 on April 08, 2005, 08:33:00 AM
Bill T.
Post by: Iriez on April 08, 2005, 11:53:00 AM
- Cartman
Post by: total_ass on April 08, 2005, 12:22:00 PM
Post by: freakdave on April 08, 2005, 12:36:00 PM
QUOTE(total_ass @ Apr 8 2005, 06:28 PM)
this thread has warped my fragile little mind.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: DolfhinDC on April 08, 2005, 01:31:00 PM
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Post by: DolfhinDC on April 08, 2005, 01:31:00 PM
QUOTE(total_ass @ Apr 8 2005, 07:28 PM)
this thread has warped my fragile little mind.
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Jonesy_47 on April 08, 2005, 02:27:00 PM
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Mr.INSANE on April 08, 2005, 05:49:00 PM
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Post by: Jonesy_47 on April 08, 2005, 02:27:00 PM
Post by: Mr.INSANE on April 08, 2005, 05:49:00 PM
QUOTE(123456 @ Apr 8 2005, 07:11 PM)
So....Lantus, enough of the shit talking - when are you releasing Surreal V2? 
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: themadman123 on April 08, 2005, 08:22:00 PM
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Ain't that the truth. Where the hell did this thread go?
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: Iriez on April 08, 2005, 09:44:00 PM
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Post by: themadman123 on April 08, 2005, 08:22:00 PM
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So true we went from Surreal 2 to FBAXXX and then to hot porn staring lantus to rice and ODD relation (like we care about their sex lives :-\) and now we're talking about hippie's.
Only on Xbox-Scene....
Only on Xbox-Scene....
Ain't that the truth. Where the hell did this thread go?
Post by: Iriez on April 08, 2005, 09:44:00 PM
QUOTE(123456 @ Apr 8 2005, 12:11 PM)
So....Lantus, enough of the shit talking - when are you releasing Surreal V2?
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: skabio on April 08, 2005, 10:12:00 PM
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Is there a lock in the house?
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: mr_chips on April 08, 2005, 11:02:00 PM
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Post by: skabio on April 08, 2005, 10:12:00 PM
Is there a lock in the house?Post by: mr_chips on April 08, 2005, 11:02:00 PM
QUOTE(skabio @ Apr 8 2005, 07:18 PM)
Man iriez I think you've lost your edge in your old age. Is there a lock in the house?
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Title: A Call For The True V2 Surreal
Post by: TUUK on April 10, 2005, 04:23:00 PM
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Is there a lock in the house?Post by: TUUK on April 10, 2005, 04:23:00 PM
QUOTE(Running_with_Scissors @ Apr 6 2005, 03:43 AM)
I agree, it's one hell of a toboggan ride.