Post by: Xbox-Scene on November 20, 2006, 11:35:00 PM
| Commodore4eva has given me some updated information on the upcoming xtreme 5.x series for the TS-H943. ETA on release is a few days. Upcoming features! * Single Layer SS support for both XBOX1 and XBOX360 games! * XBOX360 File based iso support (no more raw dumps) So, for some clarification this will NOT allow you to use your previously backed up XBOX1 games on the xbox360. This will however allow you to reburn your games to another single layer dvd-r with patched SS,DMI,PFI so it will be functional. XBOX360 file based iso will still require SS,DMI,PFI + Video.iso for media stealth (and just SS/video for basic functionality). This also means that many xbox360 games will now work on single layer disc's! FEAR is only 3.9GB file based (as opposed to 7+GB RAW dump), and GOW is 6.2 *including* the video stuff! *update* As far as the dash update, its schedualed to be a upgrade to include the movies and tv options. We'll have to wait and see if they include any other little surprises! |
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on November 20, 2006, 10:44:00 PM
any news for us hitachi owners?
Post by: gaming fanboy on November 20, 2006, 10:48:00 PM
Post by: kingpickle on November 20, 2006, 10:58:00 PM
Post by: Daxcious on November 20, 2006, 11:00:00 PM
I wonder how many 360 games actually would fit in a single layer dvdr. This will save a lot of $$ to get my games backed up in single layer dvdr's instead of the dual layer.
Great Job and THANKS!!!!!!
This post has been edited by Daxcious: Nov 21 2006, 07:03 AM
Post by: modman360 on November 20, 2006, 11:02:00 PM
ive had enough dash updates!
Post by: dynt on November 20, 2006, 11:02:00 PM
Post by: Iriez on November 20, 2006, 10:56:00 PM
QUOTE(HoRnEyDvL @ Nov 21 2006, 12:51 AM) 
Hmm pitty this is for sammy
any news for us hitachi owners?Yes, good news is that im getting a hitachi v78 to c4e early next week, so he will be working on getting flash routines working. GaryOPA has had a v78 for several weeks, but has been MIA since..so i dont know his progress. Either way, we will soon have two parties working on it. c4e is also interested in working on hitachi firmware
So, keep your hopes up, the future holds good news for hitachi-stealth.
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on November 20, 2006, 11:11:00 PM
Post by: Lamer123 on November 20, 2006, 11:24:00 PM
Verbs are so expensive.
Thank you for all your hard work.
This post has been edited by Lamer123: Nov 21 2006, 07:25 AM
Post by: Wargrip on November 20, 2006, 11:30:00 PM
Post by: Matt_Tracy on November 20, 2006, 11:24:00 PM
ISO support = people will find ways to cheat by altering the files = Microsoft will try even harder to start banning people?
That's one of the main reasons people were banned from the original XBL, aside from piracy of course.
Post by: JORT on November 20, 2006, 11:46:00 PM
Post by: Silkiwan on November 20, 2006, 11:48:00 PM
Post by: blue45 on November 21, 2006, 12:02:00 AM
Post by: Heet on November 21, 2006, 12:14:00 AM
Post by: SvensK on November 21, 2006, 12:41:00 AM
Post by: slimgrip on November 21, 2006, 12:34:00 AM
These FW updates are what keeps us one step ahead of m$
Post by: stezo2k on November 21, 2006, 12:50:00 AM
Post by: alfrediio on November 21, 2006, 12:49:00 AM
Post by: biosehnsucht on November 21, 2006, 12:58:00 AM
Post by: Heet on November 21, 2006, 01:00:00 AM
Post by: jwin767 on November 21, 2006, 12:53:00 AM
QUOTE(blue45 @ Nov 21 2006, 07:09 AM)
well see, i hope its just a regular update for the dash. But nevertheless it is a dash update which is forcefully done. And for the new games that we get, there will be another update that updates the dash through the new games, and could stop us either using xbox live, or just make an all together another error that stops the system from working with backups. I hope its neither cause i love live, but if it has to be one of the two i definitely hope its just the ban of live and not the stoppage of backups not working at all (not to say it wouldn't make regular retail and backups not work all together ). I hope we will prevail against MS as we have done in the past against every other update so far, but I do fear that we have to milk all we can get cause time is limited. This is the chance we took for modding our systems whether you like it or not. Only lime will tell if we surpass another update without any loss of functionality in our backup playing systems.
Buy your own games........... Pirate
Post by: Hopeful on November 21, 2006, 01:02:00 AM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Nov 21 2006, 07:03 AM) 
Yes, good news is that im getting a hitachi v78 to c4e early next week, so he will be working on getting flash routines working. GaryOPA has had a v78 for several weeks, but has been MIA since..so i dont know his progress. Either way, we will soon have two parties working on it. c4e is also interested in working on hitachi firmware (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) So, keep your hopes up, the future holds good news for hitachi-stealth.
Sweet foodage, man
Great point about the M.I.A. It's an unusual something. Gary definitely wants to please everyone and deserves his props, and yet, as you point out... this long struggle hints that he may be hitting some walls. It's great news to hear that TWO experts are working at it now.
Maybe the 2 brilliant minds could even join forces. It would be inspiring to see what Gary and C4E could accomplish together, in terms of new ideas. That may be pure speculation about them ever teaming up, and yet it feels so good to hope for.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif)
Post by: joe90 on November 21, 2006, 01:25:00 AM
That would be quite nasty.
Post by: ZakMcRofl on November 21, 2006, 01:20:00 AM
QUOTE(Matt_Tracy @ Nov 21 2006, 07:31 AM)
Hmm...
ISO support = people will find ways to cheat by altering the files = Microsoft will try even harder to start banning people?
That's one of the main reasons people were banned from the original XBL, aside from piracy of course.
Depends on how M$ reacts on this. Let's say there's massive car-modding cheating in NFS going on. They could issue an update for the game that does MD5 checksums on the car models to catch cheaters.
So it would be the cheating that gets you banned, not the modified firmware.
Personally I don't think many would risk getting their 360 banned just for cheating in some games.
QUOTE(joe90 @ Nov 21 2006, 09:25 AM)
hmm does this mean each release could be two releases.. smaller for TS and larger for H?
That would be quite nasty.
Maybe its a little to early but I don't think this will catch on unless a Hitachi firmware is released that also suppports it. Even than, many people won't be able to play those releases. Anyways, this could be very interesting for Xbox1 backups.
Post by: mcmanic on November 21, 2006, 01:49:00 AM
these things should be keep simple, can we just have the xbox1 part of firmware for those that want it and keep the 360 on DL as full releases, were not all cheapskates (ironic i know), but you know what i mean for the sake of 90p a disk saving
Also whats the 360 like at reading standerd DVDR, better?, worse?, are we likely to have media incompatabilities all over again?
Post by: Fazered on November 21, 2006, 01:43:00 AM
QUOTE(Wargrip @ Nov 21 2006, 07:30 AM)
Wow... the development of the Xtreme firmware never ceases to amaze me. Kudos to Commodore :-)
It's a good point. Cheating on live sucks. Sucks bad. M$ will have to combat it at all costs or see their services undermined. The PS3 fanboys would be having a field day and it would grow out of all proportions even if it was a rare occurance.
Cheating = bad.
Post by: Pikkon on November 21, 2006, 02:16:00 AM
QUOTE(Heet @ Nov 21 2006, 03:00 AM)
^ Trust me they are more than one step ahead. They are still just collecting data.
I agree.
Post by: slimgrip on November 21, 2006, 03:03:00 AM
QUOTE(jwin767 @ Nov 21 2006, 08:00 AM)
Buy your own games........... Pirate
Where does he say he doesnt own the games he backs up?
Post by: bonsc2 on November 21, 2006, 03:29:00 AM
Post by: bourke on November 21, 2006, 03:59:00 AM
Remember checking file / disc sizes is a piece of piss for games to do - I would recommend not modifying any files (especially if you are playing online).
This post has been edited by bourke: Nov 21 2006, 12:00 PM
Post by: scrano on November 21, 2006, 04:16:00 AM
Post by: syd41 on November 21, 2006, 04:53:00 AM
The sole gain in file based backups is being able to use single layer (read cheaper) dvd-r's on those games whose total file size (including the video partition, ss, dmi & pfi) will allow it.
Post by: Diddycoon on November 21, 2006, 04:54:00 AM
But I think it's also important that creating a working backup remains as compatible as possible across the various DVDROM drives.
Post by: ewok666 on November 21, 2006, 04:54:00 AM
QUOTE(bourke @ Nov 21 2006, 11:59 AM)
Shrinking games down in size could be easy to detect on Live.
Remember checking file / disc sizes is a piece of piss for games to do - I would recommend not modifying any files (especially if you are playing online).
The idea is that the 360 (and Live) cannot tell it's a shrunk disk. The 360 will just see the original information it expcts to see. The drive firmware HIDES this from the 360.
Cheers
Post by: MrPike on November 21, 2006, 05:10:00 AM
Post by: BHOFF88 on November 21, 2006, 05:12:00 AM
Post by: pdmx on November 21, 2006, 05:14:00 AM
Post by: 1rid9p77xakasvn on November 21, 2006, 05:11:00 AM
QUOTE(BHOFF88 @ Nov 21 2006, 01:12 PM)
Do the xbox 1 games still have to be on the backwards compatibility list?
<irony>No. You can even play PS3 games.</irony>
Post by: piggymouth on November 21, 2006, 05:52:00 AM
QUOTE(BHOFF88 @ Nov 21 2006, 07:12 AM)
Do the xbox 1 games still have to be on the backwards compatibility list?
This would completely defeat the purpose of having the list in the first place.
On Topic: Kudos to C4E
I will be watching this firmware closely apon release. There are a few xbox 1 games I wouldn't mind
playing on the 360.
Thanks for all your hard work.
This post has been edited by piggymouth: Nov 21 2006, 01:53 PM
Post by: sbmd on November 21, 2006, 06:10:00 AM
Post by: Anonnos on November 21, 2006, 06:11:00 AM
Post by: charis_k on November 21, 2006, 06:05:00 AM
RESPECT!!!!
As for live, I agree. The files will remain signed.
Post by: stampeder on November 21, 2006, 06:18:00 AM
Post by: atlcj0010 on November 21, 2006, 06:31:00 AM
Post by: thepita on November 21, 2006, 06:33:00 AM
Post by: crasher0255 on November 21, 2006, 06:53:00 AM
QUOTE(stampeder @ Nov 21 2006, 02:18 PM)
It's hardly a secret that a dash update is supposed to come on or around nov22 when the video marketplace is updated.
Majornelson said there was NO dashboard update needed to use video marketplace (It was included in the fall update) on his podcast, he just said that when they 'flip the switch' the video marketplace section of your dash will look a bit different
Post by: dinzy on November 21, 2006, 06:59:00 AM
QUOTE(sbmd @ Nov 21 2006, 02:10 PM)
This is great news!! Games are so expensive that backing them up to dvd-dl was making it all real expensive. I am so happy that we may be able to put games (well only some) on single layer dvds, that I will now be able to save my games for cheaper than before. I do not need any of my $60 games being scratched unusable. But I do feel that since they will be on single layers, (cheaper and easier for most to burn) that alot more people will join in on backing up their games, and I think that M$ will now in fact being trying harder than ever to block backups from being launched in the 360.
Huh? The disks are 2 bucks if you buy them in packs of 20. 2 dollars is not much compared to or in addition to 60 dollars. Besides the price will eventually fall. Back when I bought my first DVD-R drive disks were over 1.00 in packs of 50. Now they are dirt cheap. DL disks will eventually be cheaper than 2x the cost of SL disks at ahich point they will all but replace them
Post by: Textbook on November 21, 2006, 07:16:00 AM
Post by: calvin940 on November 21, 2006, 07:26:00 AM
Nevertheless, once again I applaud C4 for his hard work. Nice job man.
Calvin
Post by: rasstar on November 21, 2006, 07:40:00 AM
QUOTE(JORT @ Nov 21 2006, 07:46 AM)
Any ideas what the live update is? Something to counter the DVD firmware's? Just wondering because it was vague.
How would anyone know? Ask Bill gates.
Post by: jo7a on November 21, 2006, 07:41:00 AM
Post by: Perplexer on November 21, 2006, 07:44:00 AM
QUOTE(calvin940 @ Nov 21 2006, 09:33 AM)
I see very little value in ISO support and it jeopardizes what we have now.
I, on the other hand, feel that ISO and file support will allow us to explore file structure on a number of games and possibly find an exploit which could lead to a "real" hack.
What we have now is an ability to "back up," i.e. pirate, games. The 360 is of little interest to me until we have homebrew.
Post by: adamscybot on November 21, 2006, 07:47:00 AM
If C4E could work on this too it would be such a great thing. I tihnk the first step is media stealth for the Hitachi (we are all risking ourselves at the moment).
Then after that these mods too. Single layer support!!
Adam
Post by: calvin940 on November 21, 2006, 07:53:00 AM
QUOTE(Perplexer @ Nov 21 2006, 10:51 AM)
I, on the other hand, feel that ISO and file support will allow us to explore file structure on a number of games and possibly find an exploit which could lead to a "real" hack.
What we have now is an ability to "back up," i.e. pirate, games. The 360 is of little interest to me until we have homebrew.
I know what the intent is, however, you know what people are like. THey will cheat any chance they get and they will use it to spoil things for others. That's my point.
Even tho I would choose to stay with 4.x, it will be the exploiters that will ruin it for all. Anyway, for better or for worse it will continue. I just think the cost is too high.
Calvin
Post by: Xx The 0ne xX on November 21, 2006, 07:58:00 AM
Post by: Textbook on November 21, 2006, 08:00:00 AM
QUOTE(calvin940 @ Nov 21 2006, 09:33 AM)
However much I admire C4 for his work, I think he should abort the ISO support. Single layer may be fine, but I think that the use of ISO (and potential modification of files) will do more harm than good. RIght now I enjoy the fact that I can keep my originals in storage and not care about scratches the backups get. Enabling the ISO support may be just what will push MS over the top and start attacking this whole enterprise. I see very little value in ISO support and it jeopardizes what we have now.
Nevertheless, once again I applaud C4 for his hard work. Nice job man.
Calvin
Making the images in ISO format changes nothing. Even with the current images, files can be replaced. You can use wx360 and replace the file in the RAW image. Does that mean the backup will work? Probably not. If the files you changed are signed, the backups won't work at all. This will not change.
This changes nothing in terms of the ability to change any files. This doesn't help cheaters at all (fortunately) but (unfortunately) it also means it doesn't help the homebrew effort.
The only thing this changes are the size of the images.
All the files are still signed and untouchable.
Unfortunately, the day we get homebrew is the day we get cheaters as well.
Post by: Havok on November 21, 2006, 08:04:00 AM
QUOTE(Wargrip @ Nov 21 2006, 01:29 PM)
Spot on! I totally agree. Unless somehow the non-executable files could be modified to enable cheating (make a wall texture transparent to see through it during multiplayer etc) so the executable remains unchanged but other files are modified. I doubt that every file in an iso is signed although I could be wrong.
I could be way off the mark here so apologies if I am being a noob.
Your have more insight then most people so I wouldn't call yourself a n00b. This is exactly the case. Many files are the disc are not signed. I do not think cheating has been widespread because you have to make a tiny change, burn it to DVD+R DL and 9 times out of 100 you will get a coaster or it wont have the affect you want. Unless I am reading into this too much... single layer opens the possibility of using DVD+RW which really opens the flood gates... as it costs only time to experminent and not actual $$$.
It's a double edged sword because it does open the possibility for finding other system exploits... possibly leading to homebrew.
Post by: uberfrost on November 21, 2006, 08:06:00 AM
Post by: rasstar on November 21, 2006, 08:38:00 AM
QUOTE(fraser87uk @ Nov 21 2006, 04:15 PM)
Keep hoping. Lol. Only joking. I feel sorry for the hitachi crew. They take the hit every time.
I don't see this as a big deal and I have a Hitachi. One thing I know is that when MS tried to detect the firmware only Samsungs were affected.
Post by: krayzie on November 21, 2006, 08:45:00 AM
Post by: quore on November 21, 2006, 08:51:00 AM
Post by: quore on November 21, 2006, 09:08:00 AM
Post by: mlapaglia on November 21, 2006, 09:56:00 AM
Post by: Textbook on November 21, 2006, 09:57:00 AM
QUOTE(krayzie @ Nov 21 2006, 10:52 AM)
Let's not forget only executables are signed. Replacing some files has nothing to do with loosing signatures as long as they are not executables. They could make file specific checksums done by the executable ofcourse but I see this as a great step forward.
I was under the impression that nearly all files on the disc were signed now?
Post by: krayzie on November 21, 2006, 10:04:00 AM
QUOTE(Textbook @ Nov 21 2006, 06:04 PM)
I was under the impression that nearly all files on the disc were signed now?
never heard of such a thing. You have a source?
Post by: sandmanza on November 21, 2006, 10:09:00 AM
Post by: kingroach on November 21, 2006, 10:27:00 AM
QUOTE(krayzie @ Nov 21 2006, 06:11 PM)
never heard of such a thing. You have a source?
i dont think any 360 game has something like this but in xbox Conker live and reloaded had some protection so if you would remov eeven one file, the game would give a dirty disk message. Similar methods could be used in future games...
Post by: TerminatR on November 21, 2006, 10:28:00 AM
The PS2 scene was full of DVDrips, which meant CDrom sized images of DVD games accomplished by removing or reencoding movies, sound, splitting games up over more than one CD-rom. Sometimes unneeded dummy files were removed.
The Dreamcast scene had to do alot of creative downsizing since 1 Gigabyte discs (GD-rom) wasn't really accessible to the public. Many games fit on CD after removing dummy files or removing or downscaling movies. Other creative methods were also developed including an on-the-fly data unpacker (Kalisto /w Skies of Arcadia) to allow 1GB of compressed data on a 700MB CD and still unpack on the fly. simply amazing....
I don't see this as much different. I agree with you though that it detracts from the overall experience, and the extra money on a DL blank is well spent and ensures a more reliable backup.
QUOTE(sandmanza @ Nov 21 2006, 06:16 PM)
but what I cant understand is why you would want to strip a 360 game, sure its great if in its original un-altered form only requires a dvd-r and not a dual layer one but removing videos and such to get to dvd-r size ? I dont understand why someone would want to do that.
This post has been edited by TerminatR: Nov 21 2006, 06:38 PM
Post by: quore on November 21, 2006, 10:41:00 AM
QUOTE(mlapaglia @ Nov 21 2006, 11:03 AM)
1 PM here in the US (EST), no dash update yet...
Yeah. I just took my lunch break and went home to play GoW. I was not prompted for an update.
Post by: krayzie on November 21, 2006, 10:43:00 AM
QUOTE(kingroach @ Nov 21 2006, 06:27 PM)
i dont think any 360 game has something like this but in xbox Conker live and reloaded had some protection so if you would remov eeven one file, the game would give a dirty disk message. Similar methods could be used in future games...
Like I said checksums from files can easily be inserted into an xbe file as well as possible other ways to verify the precence and/or validity of a file. This however still has not much to do with signing all the files.
(also I remember to have a stripped down conker on a dvd5 playing just fine.)
This post has been edited by krayzie: Nov 21 2006, 06:46 PM
Post by: nooz on November 21, 2006, 10:45:00 AM
Post by: quenlin on November 21, 2006, 10:48:00 AM
Be aware of the fact that MS either may or may not be able to detect people with hacked firmwares online. If they can, it's quite possible they can collect data about your use, specifically your IP address. After that, they can attempt to prosecute people if they so choose. They did it with WinXP and can probably do it with X360.
And before I start getting flamed, be aware that this is just a friendly warning. I'm not making any moral judgements of people, and i'm not calling anybody any names. So please consider that before posting any insulting responses with broken english, bad spelling, and/or poor grammar.
This post has been edited by quenlin: Nov 21 2006, 06:49 PM
Post by: sha on November 21, 2006, 10:50:00 AM
QUOTE(Matt_Tracy @ Nov 20 2006, 10:31 PM)
Hmm...
ISO support = people will find ways to cheat by altering the files = Microsoft will try even harder to start banning people? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
That's one of the main reasons people were banned from the original XBL, aside from piracy of course.
You are right about that. Still people will only be able to change certain files. This will be detectable and those that change the files will be banned. As for those that are using the start rip that are out there will be good. I think the DL method is going to be the standard.
Post by: cerealkillajme on November 21, 2006, 10:52:00 AM
QUOTE(kingroach @ Nov 21 2006, 06:27 PM)
i dont think any 360 game has something like this but in xbox Conker live and reloaded had some protection so if you would remov eeven one file, the game would give a dirty disk message. Similar methods could be used in future games...
I have put Conker on a DVD5 by deleting the dashupdate.xbe, works fine. Might have also taken a few language files out also, but I was able to take enough out to get it down to DVD5.
For all the people saying they want to keep things on Dual Layer cause they don't want videos removed. Your not getting the point, Ex. as c4e said FEAR is 3.9 gigs, the reason it's 7.05 gigs after a normal rip is cause the SS is on the 2nd layer, the rest should be just blank padding. Burning a 3.9 gig game to a Dual Layer is stupid and the Dual Layer format is probably even further from the original disc format since there is an extra 3 gigs on it. He made this FW cause alot or most 360 games AREN'T Dual Layer and it's a waste to have to burn a 1 gig game to a Dual Layer disc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
This post has been edited by cerealkillajme: Nov 21 2006, 06:57 PM
Post by: QuiescentWonder on November 21, 2006, 10:58:00 AM
QUOTE(quenlin @ Nov 21 2006, 12:48 PM)
So i'm reading all of these posts about people being terrified of cheating becoming possible on Live with hacked firmwares, and the first thought that pops into my head is that you have to be 10 kinds of stupid to flash your firmware to play illegal backups and then connect directly to microsoft to play it. If you're going to be a criminal, at least have half a braincell about it and don't make it THAT easy for MS to catch you.
Be aware of the fact that MS either may or may not be able to detect people with hacked firmwares online. If they can, it's quite possible they can collect data about your use, specifically your IP address. After that, they can attempt to prosecute people if they so choose. They did it with WinXP and can probably do it with X360.
And before I start getting flamed, be aware that this is just a friendly warning. I'm not making any moral judgements of people, and i'm not calling anybody any names. So please consider that before posting any insulting responses with broken english, bad spelling, and/or poor grammar.
... Why don't you tell us the grounds on which they will prosecute people? I don't think they can.
Post by: mik30 on November 21, 2006, 10:58:00 AM
QUOTE(Matt_Tracy @ Nov 21 2006, 08:31 AM)
Hmm...
ISO support = people will find ways to cheat by altering the files = Microsoft will try even harder to start banning people? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
That's one of the main reasons people were banned from the original XBL, aside from piracy of course.
You are talking crap...
Many filetypes are secured by signatures. A modification will result in a signature change
which is detectable. It makes no difference to detect a change no matter whether the change
is made on a file basis before the ISO build or dircetly in a raw image of the disc.
People are mostly banned from XBL because of using a mod chip while
connecting to XBL with their XBOX1 or because of replicating the HD content
of another 360 on theri own HD. One has to remember that on the 360
parts of the HD content are tied to your specific hardware. Therefor
a replication of the whole HD content is detecable on XBL and that
successively leads to the ban.
Post by: langnao on November 21, 2006, 11:21:00 AM
Post by: Avengedfuries on November 21, 2006, 11:29:00 AM
Post by: Blank on November 21, 2006, 11:35:00 AM
QUOTE(Avengedfuries @ Nov 21 2006, 12:29 PM)
Im a bit confused. So will an update come for Hitachi's so we can use single layers?
That's what people want now since the TS will be getting it...
Post by: IntestineMan on November 21, 2006, 11:38:00 AM
QUOTE(mik30 @ Nov 21 2006, 06:58 PM)
People are mostly banned from XBL because of using a mod chip while
connecting to XBL with their XBOX1 or because of replicating the HD content
of another 360 on theri own HD. One has to remember that on the 360
parts of the HD content are tied to your specific hardware. Therefor
a replication of the whole HD content is detecable on XBL and that
successively leads to the ban.
Please elaborate...
What if I swap the physical drives between my two Xbox 360's? Will I get a ban? If so then that is pretty stupid.
Or are you talking about people trying to copy the content across using a PC-based utility?
In my case I got a 2nd 360 with a dead HDD. If I take the HDD off my first xbox and put in the 2nd, will it screw up XBL and could I get banned?
Post by: Spark on November 21, 2006, 11:53:00 AM
This post has been edited by Spark: Nov 21 2006, 07:53 PM
Post by: gaming fanboy on November 21, 2006, 11:58:00 AM
QUOTE(cerealkillajme @ Nov 21 2006, 06:52 PM)
I have put Conker on a DVD5 by deleting the dashupdate.xbe, works fine. Might have also taken a few language files out also, but I was able to take enough out to get it down to DVD5.
For all the people saying they want to keep things on Dual Layer cause they don't want videos removed. Your not getting the point, Ex. as c4e said FEAR is 3.9 gigs, the reason it's 7.05 gigs after a normal rip is cause the SS is on the 2nd layer, the rest should be just blank padding. Burning a 3.9 gig game to a Dual Layer is stupid and the Dual Layer format is probably even further from the original disc format since there is an extra 3 gigs on it. He made this FW cause alot or most 360 games AREN'T Dual Layer and it's a waste to have to burn a 1 gig game to a Dual Layer disc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
tahx for explain (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Post by: fraser87uk on November 21, 2006, 12:06:00 PM
So from me, Commodore, thank you very much, im going to play my backups on live, as i have done, for ages.
Oh and one last thing, for people that modify their firmware so they can play their "backups" so save their "originals" getting "scratched" or "damaged", then thats pretty far to go, you know stopping playing on live to save some scratches, and yeah everyone believes this. lol.
Post by: Obveron on November 21, 2006, 12:08:00 PM
Question- I still haven't received the fall update. I am currently on a xtreme 3.3 (ms25) with "ms25 drive". Should I get the fall update with my existing firmware, move to 4.2 then update, or wait for 5.x then update?
3.3 still seems like the only firmware not to get a single E66 for ms25 drives.
(4.2 on ms25 drive has given e66 for a few people)
Post by: foaley77 on November 21, 2006, 12:13:00 PM
Post by: boss900 on November 21, 2006, 12:27:00 PM
QUOTE
XBOX360 file based iso will still require SS,DMI,PFI + Video.iso for media stealth
Question,
I've always backed up my games using WxRipper + hotswap, then injecting SS,pfi,dmi afterwards with SSmerge but never used the video.iso included in the x42 firmware.
When doing raw dumps with wxripper, do i still need to use the video.iso to get full stealth still??? or is the video copied along with all of the files since its a raw dump.
Post by: jamie123 on November 21, 2006, 12:28:00 PM
microsoft could pretty much care less, they care about their shareholders, and developers..that is it.
Post by: Hawkk on November 21, 2006, 12:36:00 PM
QUOTE(Spark @ Nov 21 2006, 08:53 PM)
I have a lovely Samsung and a nice 360 that took to freezing up every 30 minutes or so after the fall update was applied. I'd rather have a working Hitachi ! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grr.gif)
Post by: KidShowtime on November 21, 2006, 12:50:00 PM
QUOTE(fraser87uk @ Nov 21 2006, 08:06 PM)
......even though we have bought the console that M$ still own it so to speak, in which case they would have to repair it for free for the rest of time.
So from me, Commodore, thank you very much, im going to play my backups on live, as i have done, for ages.
Oh and one last thing, for people that modify their firmware so they can play their "backups" so save their "originals" getting "scratched" or "damaged", then thats pretty far to go, you know stopping playing on live to save some scratches, and yeah everyone believes this. lol.
You sir, are absolutely correct. M$ would HAVE to repair a console THEY own. I never signed any agreement stating that I would not modify the contents of my Xbox360.. did any of you?
And about the whole "backup" thing... i'm pretty sure "backup" is just a politically correct term for... well.. you know.
Anyone claiming they don't want to play their "backup" on live.. yea... nobody believes it lol
Post by: Sniperman on November 21, 2006, 01:02:00 PM
Major Nelson said:
No dash update. Sometime tomorrow (I don't have an exact time) Xbox Live members in the U.S. will automatically see the video marketplace. How? Why Magic of course (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
*cough* XML *cough*
This post has been edited by Sniperman: Nov 21 2006, 09:02 PM
Post by: quenlin on November 21, 2006, 01:08:00 PM
step 1 - carefully remove the disc from it's case and insert it into appropriate device.
step 2 - carefully remove disc from appropriate device when done and return it to case.
step 3 - put case in a safe place out of the reach of children. lock it in a cabinet if necessary. if something that simple is too hard for you, either don't have children or don't have discs, your choice.
step 4 - repeat as necessary.
There! By simply following the above 4 steps, it should be virtually impossible to ruin your discs, ensuring years and years of trouble-free operation.
Post by: krayzie on November 21, 2006, 01:12:00 PM
Post by: Optics2k3 on November 21, 2006, 01:12:00 PM
Post by: jabroniekilla on November 21, 2006, 01:15:00 PM
BTW I dont care what your opinion is of me, I make backups and will continue to do so as I wish.
end rant.
Post by: BigSteel on November 21, 2006, 01:19:00 PM
This post has been edited by BigSteel: Nov 21 2006, 09:21 PM
Post by: Iriez on November 21, 2006, 01:23:00 PM
QUOTE(syd41 @ Nov 21 2006, 06:53 AM)
How are some of you guys making the quantum leap that a file based backup of a game will suddenly allow for cheating on live? The files will still be signed and modifying them will still break the signature. This new method changes nothing as far as cheating is concerned.
The sole gain in file based backups is being able to use single layer (read cheaper) dvd-r's on those games whose total file size (including the video partition, ss, dmi & pfi) will allow it.
I would like to emphasize this post. syd41 is a 100% correct. GOW has *every single file* signed. I believe most (possibly all) 360 games do this now. This firmware will not allow you to cheat on live. Infact, i would fight with my teeth and nails in order to make sure that ANY firmware release does not allow of cheating on live (unless its to add homebrew!)
So those of you who are worried that this update will make MS try to ban us harder......dont worry.
Post by: Maverick0984 on November 21, 2006, 01:38:00 PM
to the people that seem to think microsoft doesn't have a right to ban you...i'm not sure where that logic comes from. they banned on regular xbox, and they'll do it again, it is just a matter of time. you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
microsoft can do whatever the hell they want, even though you "own" it in the loose definition it is still their technology and by that definition they can do whatever they want to protect that technology. you aren't using any actual logic when you say they can't ban you, you are just hoping. however, the actual logic, is that they can ban whoever they want. it might anger some people, but they can still do it because they will be "protecting their technology" regardless of whether cheating, piracy, or homebrew causes them to do so.
you don't have to "sign" anything allowing them to do this, you buying the xbox, turning it on, and creating an xbox live account. within that process you have agreed to be subjected to whatever they want to be done, whether you like it or not.
Post by: caster420 on November 21, 2006, 01:52:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Nov 21 2006, 01:03 AM)
Yes, good news is that im getting a hitachi v78 to c4e early next week, so he will be working on getting flash routines working. GaryOPA has had a v78 for several weeks, but has been MIA since..so i dont know his progress. Either way, we will soon have two parties working on it. c4e is also interested in working on hitachi firmware (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) So, keep your hopes up, the future holds good news for hitachi-stealth.
He's been active on some other forums in a 0078 thread. Nothing overly productive yet but has posted some interesting info on it and i'm sure he is aiming to please.
Caster.
Post by: mike96sc2 on November 21, 2006, 01:55:00 PM
QUOTE(KidShowtime @ Nov 21 2006, 01:50 PM)
You sir, are absolutely correct. M$ would HAVE to repair a console THEY own. I never signed any agreement stating that I would not modify the contents of my Xbox360.. did any of you?
And about the whole "backup" thing... i'm pretty sure "backup" is just a politically correct term for... well.. you know.
Anyone claiming they don't want to play their "backup" on live.. yea... nobody believes it lol
Well actually you did, you agree to the terms and conditions the first time you turn on the console. You didn't physically sign anything, but you agreed there, and you agreed the moment you stepped onto Xbox Live through their EULA as well.
Microsoft doesn't have to fix crap, besides if you look, there's tamper-proof stickers on your console. Opening the consolve voids the warranty. They don't need to fix anything.
As for your second gem, nice to see it's piracy-scene around here instead of Xbox-Scene. My thoughts is if you can afford a 400 console, and 60 per year to play online with 60 games, you can afford to take care of them.
Post by: Lord Serebi on November 21, 2006, 02:02:00 PM
QUOTE(cerealkillajme @ Nov 21 2006, 06:52 PM)
He made this FW cause alot or most 360 games AREN'T Dual Layer and it's a waste to have to burn a 1 gig game to a Dual Layer disc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Haha cheers mate, I remember getting flamed on efnet#fw about saying that xbox360 games weren't all 7 GB like 4 months ago.
Post by: Xx The 0ne xX on November 21, 2006, 02:25:00 PM
QUOTE(mike96sc2 @ Nov 21 2006, 09:55 PM)
Well actually you did, you agree to the terms and conditions the first time you turn on the console. You didn't physically sign anything, but you agreed there, and you agreed the moment you stepped onto Xbox Live through their EULA as well.
Microsoft doesn't have to fix crap, besides if you look, there's tamper-proof stickers on your console. Opening the consolve voids the warranty. They don't need to fix anything.
As for your second gem, nice to see it's piracy-scene around here instead of Xbox-Scene. My thoughts is if you can afford a 400 console, and 60 per year to play online with 60 games, you can afford to take care of them.
doesnt matter what their terms and condition says, you bought it u paid 399.99 or whatever amount to OWN that console you have the right to do whatever you want to it, now m$ fixing stuff thats a diff story.
Post by: Ahnk77 on November 21, 2006, 03:25:00 PM
I just hope this thing doesnt backfire and turn into the next dreamast (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
(that was almost a joke by the way)
Peace and Respect,
Addison
Post by: mike96sc2 on November 21, 2006, 04:09:00 PM
QUOTE(Xx The 0ne xX @ Nov 21 2006, 03:25 PM)
doesnt matter what their terms and condition says, you bought it u paid 399.99 or whatever amount to OWN that console you have the right to do whatever you want to it, now m$ fixing stuff thats a diff story.
Actually you're half correct. You own the console itself, IE the hardware, but the firmware, the dashboard, etc. All that is licensed.
Think of it like Windows, you have it on your PC which you do own, but do you "own" Windows? No, you own a license to use Windows.
The Xbox 360 works in the same way. I own my Xbox 360, I own the hardware, but I don't own the dashboard, I don't own the firmware, etc.
From your logic I'd be well within my rights to sell my Xbox 360 dashboard on eBay. I mean according to you I own the phyiscal software but I don't. I own a license to use it, and if Microsoft sees fit they can take that license away from me if they have evidence I have broken the agreement. Hence Microsoft could brick your console immediately if they found you using hacked firmware.
Think of it like a basketball court, but you have to agree to only use their basketball if you want to play on that court. If you bring a different ball and try to use it they have every right to kick you out.
I don't know what makes this so hard for everyone to understand.
Post by: Zappza on November 21, 2006, 04:12:00 PM
Awesome! Just an quick question. I have a MS25 drive, and got the E66 error when i flashed it to 4.2. Will this happen to this firmware to?
Post by: mike96sc2 on November 21, 2006, 04:18:00 PM
QUOTE(Ahnk77 @ Nov 21 2006, 04:25 PM)
I just hope this thing doesnt backfire and turn into the next dreamast (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
I don't think it would go down in quite the same manner, but I can see it not being too far off of an analogy.
To be 100% honest this stuff has only 2 uses, one is backing up your games for legit purposes (but if you're not responsible enough to take care of your shit then that's your fault IMO) and the other is piracy. The wink wink nudge nudge policy of X-S leads me to believe it's more of that (this is coming from an old X-S'er when you couldn't even get away with 1/10th of what is allowed now).
Regardless I hope Microsoft takes appropriate action to protect their console. If it's hacked to pieces then developers and publishers move on then I don't know, it would be sad to see such a nice console take such a premature death.
Post by: fraser87uk on November 21, 2006, 04:19:00 PM
QUOTE(mike96sc2 @ Nov 21 2006, 11:09 PM)
Actually you're half correct. You own the console itself, IE the hardware, but the firmware, the dashboard, etc. All that is licensed.
Think of it like Windows, you have it on your PC which you do own, but do you "own" Windows? No, you own a license to use Windows.
The Xbox 360 works in the same way. I own my Xbox 360, I own the hardware, but I don't own the dashboard, I don't own the firmware, etc.
From your logic I'd be well within my rights to sell my Xbox 360 dashboard on eBay. I mean according to you I own the phyiscal software but I don't. I own a license to use it, and if Microsoft sees fit they can take that license away from me if they have evidence I have broken the agreement. Hence Microsoft could brick your console immediately if they found you using hacked firmware.
Think of it like a basketball court, but you have to agree to only use their basketball if you want to play on that court. If you bring a different ball and try to use it they have every right to kick you out.
I don't know what makes this so hard for everyone to understand.
I know where your coming from with that. Coming from what you are saying then we own the hardware and not the software, thats just licensed. Agreed?
If we own the hardware then we are well within our rights to run whatever we wish using it. Commodore has given us permission so to speak to use his firmware as we see fit and if we choose to use it then that should be fine as it is Commodore's firmware and not M$'s. We own the hardware and can do what we want with it.
PS (not had a good healthy internet debate in years, however debating / arguing online is like running in the special olympics, whoever wins doesn't matter cause we are still retarded)
Post by: Blank on November 21, 2006, 05:43:00 PM
QUOTE(fraser87uk @ Nov 21 2006, 05:19 PM)
I know where your coming from with that. Coming from what you are saying then we own the hardware and not the software, thats just licensed. Agreed?
If we own the hardware then we are well within our rights to run whatever we wish using it. Commodore has given us permission so to speak to use his firmware as we see fit and if we choose to use it then that should be fine as it is Commodore's firmware and not M$'s. We own the hardware and can do what we want with it.
PS (not had a good healthy internet debate in years, however debating / arguing online is like running in the special olympics, whoever wins doesn't matter cause we are still retarded)
Considering the firmware is derived from Microsoft's firmware, that wouldn't work. Sorry...
Post by: mike96sc2 on November 21, 2006, 05:57:00 PM
QUOTE(Blank @ Nov 21 2006, 06:43 PM)
Considering the firmware is derived from Microsoft's firmware, that wouldn't work. Sorry...
Bingo! Blank +1
If someone wrote their own firmware from scratch then that would be legit, but even then you're violating the EULA so Microsoft could brick your console or take their dash back.
If someone wrote their own firmware, and their own bios for the console, and their own dashboard and it somehow magically played games and did everything else people want short of wiping your ass, then you'd be perfectly legit and legal. Good luck with that.
Thanks too for the very old fighting on the internet joke. Nobody is fighting here, it's educating, showing the error of one's ways. I know when I'm wrong I like to be told where I'm wrong so I don't continue the same mistakes or mis-steps in the future. If that bothers you then I'm sorry, maybe you need a helmet.
Post by: snart on November 21, 2006, 07:25:00 PM
QUOTE(mike96sc2 @ Nov 21 2006, 11:09 PM)
Actually you're half correct. You own the console itself, IE the hardware, but the firmware, the dashboard, etc. All that is licensed.
Think of it like Windows, you have it on your PC which you do own, but do you "own" Windows? No, you own a license to use Windows.
The Xbox 360 works in the same way. I own my Xbox 360, I own the hardware, but I don't own the dashboard, I don't own the firmware, etc.
From your logic I'd be well within my rights to sell my Xbox 360 dashboard on eBay. I mean according to you I own the phyiscal software but I don't. I own a license to use it, and if Microsoft sees fit they can take that license away from me if they have evidence I have broken the agreement. Hence Microsoft could brick your console immediately if they found you using hacked firmware.
Think of it like a basketball court, but you have to agree to only use their basketball if you want to play on that court. If you bring a different ball and try to use it they have every right to kick you out.
I don't know what makes this so hard for everyone to understand.
Excellent explanation, mike96sc2.
It's the same with people who think they are entitled to make a backup of anything they own. If you live in an area where U.S. copyright laws apply, you are not entitled to make a backup of software if the original software has any copy protection on it. People cite small references to the DMCA without reading it all.
Post by: Mdoubleok on November 21, 2006, 07:57:00 PM
QUOTE(Silkiwan @ Nov 21 2006, 01:55 AM)
Looks like you have one hell of an inside source. Maybe you havent turned your 360 on for a while, but there is a big notice about 11.22.06 being when the movies and tv shows will be available. Probably gonna need a dash update to accomplish this. You guys all give yourselves too much credit, thinking that MS is going to make a dash update just to squash your pirating.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
there is not any dash updates forthcoming.
Majornelson already said that the video content update was already included in the last update. the service just goes live 11.22.06 so no more updates just "updated" live nothing to download to the box at least
Post by: NoMention on November 21, 2006, 07:57:00 PM
I own many game consoles going all the way back to the Atari 2600. Throughout my numerous consoles, I have had the full range of problems. The most frsutrating is when the games stop working. The worst system by far was the Dreamcast. Any tiny little scratch caused the disc to stop working because of their removal of quality error check bits on the disc to fit the 1GB.
At one time, game publishers would give you an exchange of your game disc if you sent them the original. This seems to have stopped over time. If I could have some assurance that my game disc would be backed by the company, I would not feel the need to make backups. But since I plan on having (and playing) my games long into the future, I want to make sure the discs are protected. I still play my Turbo Grafx 16 (PC-Engine) CD based games but I have to be super careful to prevent scratches.
So to me, backups are nice to have. I can put my originals into a storage rack but my backup in a CD binder close to my game consoles. I don't care if it costs me $2 for a DL disc. It would take me 30 backups before the cost would be the same as going out and buying a replacement copy. To me, that is far worth it. At most, I have like 4 games that required me to make more than 2 backups over the lifetime due to scratches.
As for the firmware, I think that $2 for a DL (and most of the time deals can be found), is not that expensive considering the alternative. I would not want any new functionality that would risk having MS dropping the hammer on us. I'm content with what things are like now.
My 2 cents.
Post by: pholly on November 21, 2006, 08:18:00 PM
Post by: Methadon on November 21, 2006, 08:24:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Nov 21 2006, 09:23 PM)
I would like to emphasize this post. syd41 is a 100% correct. GOW has *every single file* signed. I believe most (possibly all) 360 games do this now. This firmware will not allow you to cheat on live. Infact, i would fight with my teeth and nails in order to make sure that ANY firmware release does not allow of cheating on live (unless its to add homebrew!)
So those of you who are worried that this update will make MS try to ban us harder......dont worry.
I would go further to say that if we get a way to run unsigned code trhough firmware updates, that there should be a dual-boot mode if possible. Either running unsigned code will not be allowed if live is active, or make said firmware compatible ONLY with offline consoles. Either way, the developement is starting to get quite interesting.
Post by: Textbook on November 21, 2006, 09:53:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Nov 21 2006, 03:23 PM)
I would like to emphasize this post. syd41 is a 100% correct. GOW has *every single file* signed. I believe most (possibly all) 360 games do this now. This firmware will not allow you to cheat on live. Infact, i would fight with my teeth and nails in order to make sure that ANY firmware release does not allow of cheating on live (unless its to add homebrew!)
So those of you who are worried that this update will make MS try to ban us harder......dont worry.
Krayzie (and kingroach) asked earlier where my source was when I made the statement that all files on the disc were signed. I didn't reply because honestly I had no source, I just remember reading something about it on XboxHacker a long time ago. So, no source from me, but here's Iriez saying so right here.
So, I'm not sure who's right, what files are/aren't signed. Is there any way to figure out if a file is signed without actually burning the disc?
Post by: bidomo on November 22, 2006, 12:17:00 AM
QUOTE(1rid9p77xakasvn @ Nov 21 2006, 02:18 PM)
<irony>No. You can even play PS3 games.</irony>
Man, with all respect, you're wrong.....
The correct etiquete would be <SARCASM>Obviusly, it would be able to play any CD/DVD disk existing in the world (no matter plattaform)"
Is just some fun, don't you take it seriously (neiter of you)
NOW, the the point....
That's amazing news for all of us Toshiba Users, hope I can Update it, since I'm not able to update from 3.0 to 4.2a.
Post by: Obveron on November 22, 2006, 05:06:00 AM
This post has been edited by Obveron: Nov 22 2006, 01:07 PM
Post by: 1rid9p77xakasvn on November 22, 2006, 07:17:00 AM
QUOTE(bidomo @ Nov 22 2006, 08:17 AM)
Man, with all respect, you're wrong.....
The correct etiquete would be <SARCASM>Obviusly, it would be able to play any CD/DVD disk existing in the world (no matter plattaform)"
You are of course f*cking right! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif) Additionally it would be better to say something like "CD/DVD/HDDVD/BlueRayDisc/Cardige/..."
Do you people know what this X5.x means for us? We can play Single-Layer-Games from DVD-RW! *strike*
Post by: krayzie on November 22, 2006, 08:24:00 AM
QUOTE(Textbook @ Nov 22 2006, 05:53 AM)
Krayzie (and kingroach) asked earlier where my source was when I made the statement that all files on the disc were signed. I didn't reply because honestly I had no source, I just remember reading something about it on XboxHacker a long time ago. So, no source from me, but here's Iriez saying so right here.
So, I'm not sure who's right, what files are/aren't signed. Is there any way to figure out if a file is signed without actually burning the disc?
I must admit I haven't followed everything but I did read some posts claiming xex files are signed. Never read anywhere that all files are signed (apart from Iriez's post) but ofcourse I could be wrong as I'm only experienced xbox1 files and such. Like I said there are various ways to verify files on a disc. If files are signed it means they can't be edited but can be replaced or possibly removed. I don't care for live and I also dislike cheating and this might not help that but I still think it might open some doors to further investigate.
Post by: purepwnage12560 on November 22, 2006, 10:53:00 AM
if so that saves me alot of money of having to spend over 200 bucks on a pack of 100 pack verbatiums
Post by: Champion on November 22, 2006, 11:09:00 AM
QUOTE(1rid9p77xakasvn @ Nov 22 2006, 03:17 PM)
You are of course f*cking right! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif) Additionally it would be better to say something like "CD/DVD/HDDVD/BlueRayDisc/Cardige/..."
Do you people know what this X5.x means for us? We can play Single-Layer-Games from DVD-RW! *strike*
don't forget to mention you can play your 5 1/4'' discs; you just have to cut them in a circle (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
Post by: purepwnage12560 on November 22, 2006, 11:16:00 AM
Post by: Wommers on November 22, 2006, 11:45:00 AM
QUOTE(purepwnage12560 @ Nov 22 2006, 06:53 PM)
ok so let me get this straight all 360 games arnt DUEL LAYER but only single layered discs and the new firmware will allow games to be played on DVD-R's instead of D-L?
if so that saves me alot of money of having to spend over 200 bucks on a pack of 100 pack verbatiums
It's quite simple. Some 360 games, such as Prey for example, are around 1.8 gigabytes in size on other platforms such as the PC. Since the 360 version of Prey is pretty much identical to the PC version it's very probable that this will also be 1.8gig - thereby opening the opportunity to backup Prey to a DVD5 as there is enough space for the video partition as well as the SS/PFI etc etc. For games which are larger than 4.7 gigabytes you'll still need to use a DL disc for your backup.
QUOTE(krayzie @ Nov 22 2006, 04:24 PM)
I must admit I haven't followed everything but I did read some posts claiming xex files are signed. Never read anywhere that all files are signed (apart from Iriez's post) but ofcourse I could be wrong as I'm only experienced xbox1 files and such. Like I said there are various ways to verify files on a disc. If files are signed it means they can't be edited but can be replaced or possibly removed. I don't care for live and I also dislike cheating and this might not help that but I still think it might open some doors to further investigate.
It would be very interesting to know how the 360 processes executables and if there is a constant need for files to be signed or not.
Post by: Unicornasaurus on November 22, 2006, 12:48:00 PM
QUOTE(Xbox-Scene @ Nov 20 2006, 10:35 PM)
* XBOX360 File based iso support (no more raw dumps)
Can anyone elaborate on this for me?
Post by: bigghek on November 22, 2006, 02:26:00 PM
Post by: myfranco on November 22, 2006, 02:57:00 PM
I wouldn't bother to burn single layers.It's $2 go get DL and burn them.You have a chance to keep your originals safe and the insurance is only $2.
Post by: Death82282 on November 22, 2006, 03:48:00 PM
Post by: Mysoundhurts on November 22, 2006, 09:18:00 PM
Post by: B4tm4n on November 23, 2006, 03:24:00 AM
QUOTE(Mysoundhurts @ Nov 23 2006, 06:18 AM)
Does anyone have any info on release date?
My crystal ball says............ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Post by: charis_k on November 23, 2006, 05:55:00 AM
QUOTE(B4tm4n @ Nov 23 2006, 12:24 PM)
My crystal ball is a newer model and can definitely see the date, but in an unknown to humanity, metric system. Any firmware that can change the fonts, can help us here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
When my crystal ball's firmware will be ready? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Anyway, to the topic.
I will say what I wanted for a few days now.
WHY ON EARTH DVD-5 CAN HELP ON CHEATING??????
Does anyone ever told that a F/W can allow homebrew too??
Cause I might missed that.
The new firmware will support new things plus the old.
But to edit the files, is up to microsoft, until homebrew will come to the scene.
Post by: Bdan629 on November 23, 2006, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: fraser87uk on November 23, 2006, 10:21:00 AM
Post by: B4tm4n on November 23, 2006, 10:30:00 AM
QUOTE(fraser87uk @ Nov 23 2006, 07:21 PM)
where would one download the new firmware when its released???
From the magical portal known as 'The Usual Places'.
Post by: stepppp on November 23, 2006, 12:34:00 PM
QUOTE(fraser87uk @ Nov 23 2006, 05:21 PM)
where would one download the new firmware when its released???
Do some poeple even bother to read the rules.....this isnt allowed to be discussed on here.....do you honestly expect someone to paste a link for you?
ffs
Post by: twistednailsofv on November 24, 2006, 01:40:00 AM
QUOTE(QuiescentWonder @ Nov 21 2006, 01:58 PM)
... Why don't you tell us the grounds on which they will prosecute people? I don't think they can.
I HAD to reply to this guy... this is the most ridiculous thing someones typed on this site to me...
listen... if you read the first few sentences of any M$ End User license or pretty much anything... they have privacy statements attached, saying simply no personal identifying data will be sent, but any can get your IP, you leaving a post of this site... someone can track your IP... you can't hide your IP from really anyone... its your identity in the online world... and simply what are they going allege your the master mind of some conspiracy... they can't really prosecute for anything unless they havevaild evidence your selling bootleg or stolen serials, or that your sharing M$ software on P2P stuff...
honestly if anyone has concerns its just making sure with c4e's great work is the them cheaters... as long as when they generate hash-checks against the checksums and remain the same then i'm all for it... save me cash on a discs...
however if your a scene® and get your games online... you may have a prob, some people may distribute too many compliations of the same game... i think most scene(rs) should agree in releasing Raw Dumps and allow whether or not the the user to decide his choice raw or stripped down image... i love having the ability to update my xbox lie even though i ever go online, thats the last feature i use, but i love having them pretty updates to make my dash look pretty =)
so yeah... big love to c4e... dude i would hug right now if i could...?
also by the way i need someone up the chains to answer this but ok to put it simply... were cutting off the fat literally from the disc, if the original theory was that the 360 would only read dvd+r dl and that was a security he couldn't bypass, and if so, then he's cracked? aren't 360 games all come in pressed dvd dual layer, and can't they just give a command to tell whats the size or content in the TOC... i wouldn't be surprised... a lot of softwares enforce that routine in there own software installation...
sorry if the question i posed is noob, i'm not a noob, but when you post a question you have no clue as to the asnwer any question really sounds noob, i'm not a perfect expert, but my intent is learn as much as one can to be an expert =)
Post by: twistednailsofv on November 24, 2006, 02:06:00 AM
QUOTE(fraser87uk @ Nov 21 2006, 07:19 PM)
I know where your coming from with that. Coming from what you are saying then we own the hardware and not the software, thats just licensed. Agreed?
If we own the hardware then we are well within our rights to run whatever we wish using it. Commodore has given us permission so to speak to use his firmware as we see fit and if we choose to use it then that should be fine as it is Commodore's firmware and not M$'s. We own the hardware and can do what we want with it.
PS (not had a good healthy internet debate in years, however debating / arguing online is like running in the special olympics, whoever wins doesn't matter cause we are still retarded)
you should know that your not fully using c4e firmware standalone, you have to hack stuff out of the original M$ firmware and then add it to your own c4e firmware, esp... after the infamous E66 error, your now stealing more from the original firmware... and don't fool yourself, but even ripping apart the smallest portion of M$ firmware is breaking the license and they should do w/e they want... its the proprietary software... this is how they make a living by protecting their goods... so let them.. if you wanna play on live and run c4e thats your business but don't act cocky about... i mean anyone... dun act a cocky and before you statrt judging me i run c4e 4.1, but i don't expect any support from M$ if my system chooses to wear or breakdown because of the firmware troubles and other what not...
QUOTE(mike96sc2 @ Nov 21 2006, 07:18 PM)
I don't think it would go down in quite the same manner, but I can see it not being too far off of an analogy.
To be 100% honest this stuff has only 2 uses, one is backing up your games for legit purposes (but if you're not responsible enough to take care of your shit then that's your fault IMO) and the other is piracy. The wink wink nudge nudge policy of X-S leads me to believe it's more of that (this is coming from an old X-S'er when you couldn't even get away with 1/10th of what is allowed now).
Regardless I hope Microsoft takes appropriate action to protect their console. If it's hacked to pieces then developers and publishers move on then I don't know, it would be sad to see such a nice console take such a premature death.
Post by: twistednailsofv on November 24, 2006, 02:40:00 AM
QUOTE(mike96sc2 @ Nov 21 2006, 07:18 PM)
I don't think it would go down in quite the same manner, but I can see it not being too far off of an analogy.
To be 100% honest this stuff has only 2 uses, one is backing up your games for legit purposes (but if you're not responsible enough to take care of your shit then that's your fault IMO) and the other is piracy. The wink wink nudge nudge policy of X-S leads me to believe it's more of that (this is coming from an old X-S'er when you couldn't even get away with 1/10th of what is allowed now).
Regardless I hope Microsoft takes appropriate action to protect their console. If it's hacked to pieces then developers and publishers move on then I don't know, it would be sad to see such a nice console take such a premature death.
ok you mister are kidding yourself... if there ever was a dreamcast situation... its with the ps2. first off to get a dreamcast backup you had bend over backwards to get it if you actually tried to rip it... only reason that it got pirated so bad is you could like he said shrink enough stuff just through stuff off the disc and fit it in the 650MB parameter and then compress it to between 300 to 500MB depending of the compression factors...
of the four 128bit systems... i xbox is third, first is definitely hands down dreamcast, second is easily ps2, and last and forth is the gamecube...
the gamecube was the most difficult but also the least popular so it attributed to its late arrival of "modification"...
with the ps2 disc... esp. with the new pstwo and the swap disc you can as easily run a back up and i mean easily, go to any store rent and copy a game then the swap it and our good to go, as where you cant just stick a xbox or 360 game in your pc and copy it (until now with the kreon fw) copy the game your good to go... you need to go extremely out your way to copy it, and the biggest problem the xbox compared to the ps2 is its late coming, ugly bulky design and massive gaming power.
lets face it, most game devleoped or solely designed for the ps2 and ported over to the xbox and gamecube... we all know that, so the grpahics rarely ever proved so different that it warranted actually gettingthe xbox version instead of the ps2 version. however most people who an ps2 are kids and i mean like younger generation who aren't into copying or have no clue about modding so they w/e they lose piracy, they make sor in literal sales of the games.
whereas xbox's are owned by teenagers and adults... even now, the 360 is for what adults and teens... of course they work and have jobs and can't afford to pay for stuff just like tearing stuff apart like i do... =)
but the point is that xbox did itself in if you think about it... its not like you can show a 10 year old an xbox when they can get a pstwo, alone in shape and sheer size makes the xbox shoot itself in the foot, however adults and teens now the sheer power the xbox wields and willing to scarifce looks weight and style for raw power...
and now look at the PSP that systems security is a joke and the ps3 is using a similar approach on the ps3 as they do for the psp... that will definately be its on undoing... they only luck they have is that its on blu-ray discs, or at least for now they are... and no one can get one for a loooooooooooooooooong time easily pirate the games, that the ps3's only luck for now, but look at the psp... they don''t even fake anumd via a minidisc... they just upright put it on the memory stick and exploit a security flaw... so what to do what to do... i really think the the wii will be the most secure system from piracy and won't have a dreamcast effect, but i think theres definately going to be a revision of the Wii, too me it just seems like they tried to upgrade a gamecube and ended up with a revolution (aka Wii)...
ok wrapp up this pointlessly long post... the dreamcast had a unique situation... plus it was the first of the 128 bit systems so you had to get one to be the cool one, it was common for people to have it, the media they used was dirt cheap (cd's), it was the cheapest of all the 128 bit systems when they were out... and the most ridiculous protection literally, they shouldve went dvd... stoopid gd roms... and you wonder why they phased out serial ports from most gaming systems...
sorry guys for my grammar skills on the past few comments its like 5am the day after thanksgiving and i'm on 2 pots of coffee just to kick up my metabolism so i dun keep this weight so i'm not really correcting myself as i should and i'm too tired to revise my stuff... so yeah... major apologies if my posts confuse anyone, nite folks...
Post by: Gazcoigne on November 24, 2006, 04:18:00 AM
good work c4eva thanks for your continued support
and good luck with the hitachi 78
Post by: fraser87uk on November 24, 2006, 05:21:00 PM
Post by: wolfienuke on November 24, 2006, 11:13:00 PM
QUOTE(Xbox-Scene @ Nov 20 2006, 10:35 PM)
Upcoming Xtreme 5.x details + Live update? *updated*
Posted by Iriez | November 21 01:28 EST
Commodore4eva has given me some updated information on the upcoming xtreme 5.x series for the TS-H943. ETA on release is a few days.
Upcoming features!
* Single Layer SS support for both XBOX1 and XBOX360 games!
* XBOX360 File based iso support (no more raw dumps)
My question is about the file based iso support. I feel that this is going to be a great feature, but will I be able to convert my backups to DVD5 file based iso's or will I have to create new backups from the original disks? (Don't flame me for talking about backing up a backup... That is not what I'm talking about). I just don't want to convert my games over again to a new format.
Also, will our programs we've grown to love (Xbox Backup Creator) support this yet, or will we have to wait for an update for that also, because I would love to start changing over my backups to DVD5 as soon possible.
Post by: Dazzat on November 25, 2006, 01:48:00 AM
QUOTE(Mysoundhurts @ Nov 23 2006, 02:18 PM)
Does anyone have any info on release date?
ETA on release is a few days. (Posted on 21st) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleeping.gif)
And still waiting... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) busting for this release.... cant wait
Post by: ChrishX on November 25, 2006, 08:41:00 AM
<speculation>you can extract files from an iso or a disc, copy the video-partiton, the ss, pfi, dmi and burn them all together with the ss at a specific position and the new fw will boot it.</speculation>
no signature-protection will ever be circumvented by a dvd-drive firmware.
Post by: wolfienuke on November 25, 2006, 11:20:00 AM
QUOTE(ChrishX @ Nov 25 2006, 07:41 AM)
schtrom360xtract has a function called "XDVDFS XTR" which extracts all files from an iso. when all files extracted, you can easily see, if an game fits on a single-layer dvd. (most do.)
<speculation>you can extract files from an iso or a disc, copy the video-partiton, the ss, pfi, dmi and burn them all together with the ss at a specific position and the new fw will boot it.</speculation>
no signature-protection will ever be circumvented by a dvd-drive firmware.
Thanks... that tells me how to extract the files to see if it will fit on a dvd5 disk, but you cant burn the extracted files as is. I guess no program will make file based iso's yet. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
One last question, I know this will not allow you to edit files, but does anyone know if you can remove the Update files and still having a working backup. I ask this only from past experiences with xbox 1 backups updating the dash automatically, and I know that some games had xbox 360 update files included. It may not be important now, since the fall update did not block modded firmware users, but in the future it may.
This post has been edited by wolfienuke: Nov 25 2006, 07:25 PM
Post by: ChrishX on November 25, 2006, 12:39:00 PM
Post by: knodi on November 26, 2006, 08:41:00 PM
I awesome much love to you.
Post by: wolfienuke on November 26, 2006, 09:21:00 PM
QUOTE(ChrishX @ Nov 25 2006, 11:39 AM)
@wolfienuke: you're right, there is, until now, no program to generate a dvd5 iso. we don't even know where the ss must be placed to work with the upcoming firmware. it must be a fixed position, so simple file-drop-created dvds won't work.
Well hopefully C4E realeases some more specific details on how the DVD5 disk structure must be made so some of our other skilled programmers can incorperate it into their programs hopefully so there can be updated backup software released at or about the same time as xtreme 5.x.
I was also wondering where the security sector will be placed, and I'm assuming C4E will also lock the reading of those sectors. I hope we don't have a new media stealth problem with the DVD5 backups.
And what do you mean by "until now"? Is there a release I missed?
QUOTE(knodi @ Nov 26 2006, 07:41 PM)
OMG can't wait for this, was going to flash my drive (for the 1st time) this week but i'll think i'll wait for this update.
I awesome much love to you.
Yes, I am also waiting for this release for a few new firmware flashes so I don't have to place the drives in 0800 mode due to the firmware lock (firmguard), but I might not be able to wait much longer (customers getting impatient). I will first update my drive which will be a first for me using the 0800 disk to disable the firmguard. I hope I don't run into many problems with that.
Post by: karimko on November 27, 2006, 02:46:00 PM
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Post by: knodi on November 27, 2006, 10:42:00 PM
Post by: Textbook on November 28, 2006, 01:32:00 AM
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Post by: miguel11691 on November 28, 2006, 07:04:00 AM
Post by: mayonnaise on November 28, 2006, 12:29:00 PM
QUOTE(cerealkillajme @ Nov 21 2006, 12:52 PM)
Burning a 3.9 gig game to a Dual Layer is stupid and the Dual Layer format is probably even further from the original disc format since there is an extra 3 gigs on it. He made this FW cause alot or most 360 games AREN'T Dual Layer and it's a waste to have to burn a 1 gig game to a Dual Layer disc.
I take it you have never looked at the back of any of your originals and compared it to the back of the backup. Either that or you don't have any originals.
Take every single one of your originals (including FEAR if you have it) and look where the disc press stopped, around the exact same point your burner stops on every single one of your backups. All xbox360 games are on a DL disc no matter if the game files take the space up or not. Actually, 360 games are all the same size once pressed (this is part of M$'s disc security). So yes, even a 1GB game would be pressed at the factory as 7+GB DL DVD disc. Thus our RAW backups are not "further from the original disc format" (otherwise I dont think we would even call them RAW dumps).
Post by: knodi on November 29, 2006, 10:03:00 PM
QUOTE(miguel11691 @ Nov 28 2006, 03:04 PM)
What is 0078fk software flashing solution im hearing about
removing the chip to flash it.
Post by: cerealkillajme on November 30, 2006, 08:12:00 AM
QUOTE(mayonnaise @ Nov 28 2006, 08:36 PM)
I take it you have never looked at the back of any of your originals and compared it to the back of the backup. Either that or you don't have any originals.
Take every single one of your originals (including FEAR if you have it) and look where the disc press stopped, around the exact same point your burner stops on every single one of your backups. All xbox360 games are on a DL disc no matter if the game files take the space up or not. Actually, 360 games are all the same size once pressed (this is part of M$'s disc security). So yes, even a 1GB game would be pressed at the factory as 7+GB DL DVD disc. Thus our RAW backups are not "further from the original disc format" (otherwise I dont think we would even call them RAW dumps).
Of course I have originals, how would I have backups without an original. And no I've never really looked at the bottom of my discs, never seen a point other than looking for scratches, but my originals stay in their cases after being backed-up so I should never have a scratch.
Yes you are correct about the disc being pressed to the outside, I notice (after looking at them) they are pressed all the way (even FEAR which yes I do own). I have backed-up all of my 360 games using my 360 and Xtreme tools and recently XBOX Backup Creator which do not show the actual files on the disc, and I don't believe Wxripper does either. So AFAIK there is no way to see the real size of a game yet. But recently I backed-up all 3 of the BK games. Image sizes are 1, 1.2, and 2 gigs, and that's with the 360 files included in the image. All 3 of those discs are also pressed to the edge.
Since you seem to know so much about M$'s signing/pressing process, what is on the rest of the disc then if you say it is data (which doesn't show up in the image or via FTP to the original disc)?
I admit I don't know much about disc pressing/manufacturing processes nor have I found much info on it, so please enlighten me/us on how they actually press the discs.
Post by: Iriez on December 06, 2006, 05:50:00 PM
Sorry guys that it didnt come out within the ETA ...however, some recent advancement's have caused c4e to further progress instead of releasing. Trust me, you'll appreciate the wait
There is a very good chance that the next update will support previously burned xb1 games (that are of course supported via the xbox360's emulator)!
So I'll know within a few days if that will be a secured feature in v5!
Post by: Dankbud on December 06, 2006, 06:04:00 PM
Post by: Iriez on December 06, 2006, 08:14:00 PM
QUOTE(wolfienuke @ Nov 25 2006, 01:13 AM)
My question is about the file based iso support. I feel that this is going to be a great feature, but will I be able to convert my backups to DVD5 file based iso's or will I have to create new backups from the original disks? (Don't flame me for talking about backing up a backup... That is not what I'm talking about). I just don't want to convert my games over again to a new format.
Also, will our programs we've grown to love (Xbox Backup Creator) support this yet, or will we have to wait for an update for that also, because I would love to start changing over my backups to DVD5 as soon possible.
You will not need new tools. However, some programs such as the current qwix, add header information to the iso, which *may* prevent it from being booted. Best tool to use is GDFIMAGE, since it is from MS. GNU GDFIMAGE is what i test with.
Post by: BigSteel on December 06, 2006, 09:01:00 PM
QUOTE(Iriez @ Dec 7 2006, 01:57 AM)
vancement's have caused c4e to further progress instead of releasing. Trust me, you'll appreciate the wait
There is a very good chance that the next update will support previously burned xb1 games (that are of course supported via the xbox360's emulator)!
If that is true then it will be more than worth the wait
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on December 06, 2006, 10:29:00 PM
Every 1 with a sammy are lucky wish there was this much progress with Hitachi Drive Iriez any news for us
Post by: Xplic1T on December 07, 2006, 11:19:00 PM
im running out of dl's
Post by: Hopeful on December 08, 2006, 12:59:00 AM
QUOTE(HoRnEyDvL @ Dec 7 2006, 06:36 AM)
Man (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Every 1 with a sammy are lucky (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) wish there was this much progress with Hitachi Drive Iriez any news for us (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Great question.
Do you suppose the hitachi has reached its last hack? Media stealth forever put aside, or not?
Garyopa-Hitachi FW has always been my favorite, but the c64 fw is getting so original that I'm considering getting a sammy as a second drive. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
Post by: Kramer987 on December 08, 2006, 06:56:00 AM
the hitachi has a v78. the v78 is currently being worked on. garyopa may just be working on that. he may just be working both new FW and the v78. its unknown. stop crying like a little pansy.
as for all these *wonderful* developments the samsung is having... exactly what about them is so wonderful? i mean sure its cool. but as it stands both samsungs and hitachis can play backups fine. dvd9 media is roughly a dollar a disc, which is cheap. the games work flawlessly. what is there to complain about? i'm not too sure. that said, i'm in complete agreement with textbook. the v78 software flash would be the best thing right now as many v78s exist and many are out of luck.
so i repeat, go get your sammy and go brick your xbox and then come back here and tell us all about it. or, come to your senses, accept what you have as a little treasure, and enjoy.
Post by: dmaister on December 08, 2006, 07:06:00 AM
QUOTE(Kramer987 @ Dec 8 2006, 08:56 AM)
just because garyopa doesnt give updates on what he is working on doesnt mean nothing is being worked on. i hope you do get a samsung and in the process of flashing it you brick your entire xbox because you are an ungrateful piece of $hit.
the hitachi has a v78. the v78 is currently being worked on. garyopa may just be working on that. he may just be working both new FW and the v78. its unknown. stop crying like a little pansy.
as for all these *wonderful* developments the samsung is having... exactly what about them is so wonderful? i mean sure its cool. but as it stands both samsungs and hitachis can play backups fine. dvd9 media is roughly a dollar a disc, which is cheap. the games work flawlessly. what is there to complain about? i'm not too sure. that said, i'm in complete agreement with textbook. the v78 software flash would be the best thing right now as many v78s exist and many are out of luck.
so i repeat, go get your sammy and go brick your xbox and then come back here and tell us all about it. or, come to your senses, accept what you have as a little treasure, and enjoy.
You can't say it any better than that.
Post by: nu1mlock on December 08, 2006, 07:17:00 AM
QUOTE(Kramer987 @ Dec 8 2006, 02:56 PM)
dvd9 media is roughly a dollar a disc, which is cheap.
Where do you buy DL discs for a dollar? ;)
Post by: addisj on December 08, 2006, 07:30:00 AM
Post by: lickwid on December 08, 2006, 08:37:00 AM
QUOTE(nu1mlock @ Dec 8 2006, 06:24 AM)
Where do you buy DL discs for a dollar?
check out newegg.com, it's about $1.25 per disc, I believe paying with Paypal gives you free shipping.
Post by: calvin940 on December 08, 2006, 10:01:00 AM
QUOTE(Kramer987 @ Dec 8 2006, 09:56 AM)
just because garyopa doesnt give updates on what he is working on doesnt mean nothing is being worked on. i hope you do get a samsung and in the process of flashing it you brick your entire xbox because you are an ungrateful piece of $hit.
<SNIP>
so i repeat, go get your sammy and go brick your xbox and then come back here and tell us all about it. or, come to your senses, accept what you have as a little treasure, and enjoy.
You're such an a$$hole. Shut the hell up. He didn't say anything negative about Gary. You are the only one being a dick. If you cannot contribute positively, stop talking.
Calvin
Post by: infamous_Q on December 08, 2006, 01:09:00 PM
dont' chew the guy out just cuz he said he might get a sammy drive. currently the development on sammy drives is at least one step ahead of the hitachi (media stealth, and who knows what else with the next update).
so big deal if he wants to use the other drive instead. this has nothing to do with whether gary's a good guy or not, or his skills or my respect for his work, but it seemed to me like media stealth had been in the work for a bit longer than the 0078 or w/e, so it may have been more to the scenes benefit if he finished up media stealth and released, then worked on the 0078. as far as single layer dvds go, i could care less i'll stick w/ dual layer, cuz getting banned isn't worth it, not to mention that if we can alter files it will allow for cheating, and that sux.
Post by: olii1 on December 08, 2006, 01:21:00 PM
My thread
Post by: cerealkillajme on December 08, 2006, 01:28:00 PM
QUOTE(olii1 @ Dec 8 2006, 09:28 PM)
I would like to refer to my thread, and ask if someone could answer my question about the fore comming firmware release?
My thread
Read and search, then you will find the answer to your question.
Post by: olii1 on December 08, 2006, 01:35:00 PM
QUOTE(cerealkillajme @ Dec 8 2006, 09:35 PM)
Read and search, then you will find the answer to your question.
Give me one more clue, and I will start reading
- Is it in this thread I should search for the answer?
Post by: cerealkillajme on December 08, 2006, 01:46:00 PM
QUOTE(olii1 @ Dec 8 2006, 09:42 PM)
Give me one more clue, and I will start reading
- Is it in this thread I should search for the answer?Try reading the 1st post of this thread
Post by: olii1 on December 08, 2006, 02:04:00 PM
QUOTE(cerealkillajme @ Dec 8 2006, 09:53 PM)
Well, I've read on 360mods.net, a news written by Textb00k, where he wrote that Xbox360 games on single layer DVD's would be an act in a distant future. Not just right away.
A quote from the article, that can be read on the first news site on 360mods.net:
Another reason why I think people are wanting this is because people think they will be able to burn Xbox 360 games onto single layer. Guess what? That will not be happening very much.
Post by: jabroniekilla on December 08, 2006, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: olii1 on December 08, 2006, 02:12:00 PM
QUOTE(jabroniekilla @ Dec 8 2006, 10:09 PM)
He probably means that because most games are over 4 gigs.
Then what's the point, when only 3 or 4 games are under 4.7 GB, when on most of the games you will have to use double layer, and it will be as before (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
Post by: stoopidmnkey on December 08, 2006, 08:14:00 PM
Post by: olii1 on December 08, 2006, 11:54:00 PM
QUOTE(stoopidmnkey @ Dec 9 2006, 04:14 AM)
Some people are stoked just that they can burn xbox1 games to dvd5 without having to use a dvd9.
Will this 5.x firmware make it possible to play burned Xbox1 games on Xbox360 without ripping it manually?
If that is the case, this will definately be worth waiting for!
Post by: tiderium on December 09, 2006, 10:30:00 AM
anyone have any idea when c4e will release this
Post by: Mr_Mo on December 12, 2006, 02:23:00 PM
Why would commodore4eva not announce it himself, and why not announce on xboxhacker?
Fishy...
Post by: El3M3nT on December 16, 2006, 08:45:00 PM