Post by: benten2000 on September 13, 2006, 01:16:00 PM
The backups I've been using have been working perfectly for the past few weeks (burnt on a Pioneer 108 fw1.20 using Verbatim (MKM 001) at 2.4 speed)
All has been perfect up until a yesterday when the sometimes the backups just refuse to start (stays at Open Tray), originals still work perfectly though.
Any helpers?
Post by: MaxEgg on September 13, 2006, 01:35:00 PM
as soon as it cozy warm, stop the original and play all my backups perfectly fine after that.
kind of weird if you ask me, but heh it works.
Post by: ash1471 on September 13, 2006, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: benten2000 on September 13, 2006, 02:44:00 PM
Post by: mrjkwik on September 13, 2006, 08:45:00 PM
QUOTE
(v3.3) Dual Read Speed mode (Quite/Slow Read mode for backups activated via any Xbox 360/Xbox 1 Original game disk.)
(v3.2) Improved Media speed patch, forced full speed on all media types!
(v3.2) Improved Media speed patch, forced full speed on all media types!
basically,your gonna have to roll back to 3.0 to get the slow speed all the time. starting with 3.1 full speed was implemented, improved with 3.2, and is default on 3.3. on 3.3 you can insert a retail disc, which will turn on slow/quiet mode for backups. thats why what maxegg said can help at times.
you could just run at slow all the time, or possibly tweak your laser. what seems to be happening is, when some 360's were running at slow, the laser could pick up the disc. at full speed, it had some problems. tweaking the laser can increase the ability of the laser picking up the disc at fullspeed.
Post by: ntloser on September 17, 2006, 12:46:00 AM
I am having the same problem. I originally flashed with 3.3 then the next day, reflashed to 3.2 after discovering the open tray issue. It seems completely random. One back up will give me an open tray at some point then the next time I pop it in.. it might run. Of course, right after each flash, I tested all my back ups up and they worked fine. Then
I loaded Saints Row original and played it for a couple hours. Then popped in a back up, and got open tray... tried other back ups open tray.. eventually they started reading again. I am at a loss and not sure what to do.
I've noticed on both 3.3 and 3.2, when the open tray error was going to occur there would be a slight beep noise when the back-up was inserted then it wouldnt really try to spin up.
Have you guys confirmed the slower read speed of 3.1 fixes this?
Thanks
This post has been edited by ntloser: Sep 17 2006, 08:01 AM
Post by: ntloser on September 17, 2006, 01:16:00 AM
QUOTE(ntloser @ Sep 17 2006, 02:53 AM) 
I loaded Saints Row original and played it for a couple hours. Then popped in a back up, and got open tray... tried other back ups open tray.. eventually they started reading again. I am at a loss and not sure what to do.
Thanks
should have read
I loaded Saints Row original and played it for a couple hours. Then popped in a back up, and got open tray... tried other back ups open tray.. eventually they started reading again without having to reboot or anything. I am at a loss and not sure what to do.
Post by: firestorm2yk on September 17, 2006, 01:40:00 AM
Post by: ntloser on September 17, 2006, 02:46:00 AM
QUOTE(firestorm2yk @ Sep 17 2006, 03:47 AM)
Same problem as everyone else... sometimes the backups dont read and this is using Verbatim and a Pioneer burner. Perhaps a media compatibility patch is in order for the TS?
Hi Firestorm,
Thanks for the reply. Are you saying that EVERYONE who flashes has this problem? It is freaky. I did the Saits Row thing again. I played for about an hour, then put in a back up of Dead Rising. Open Tray. Waited no more than 5 minutes and put Dead Rising back up into the tray again. It started.
I am using Verbatim DL +R but I burned on a Lite-on ...
Post by: firestorm2yk on September 17, 2006, 04:36:00 AM
However if C4EvA releases a media patch for the samsung (probably not likely as samsungs usually have no problems reading substandard media) i would use that before even touching my dvd-rom with a multimeter.
Just my luck too. First i get an MS28 and now i have a dvd-rom that doesnt read backups OR anything sometimes (90% of the time it's fine?).
Ive been thinking of replacing the laser with a much better quality one but i need to know wether you can just take the laser out of any old dvd-rom (LiteON, Sony, Samsung etc) and replace it. Could you use a laser unit from a dvd-burner? Sorry if it's a stupid question.
Post by: ntloser on September 17, 2006, 05:34:00 AM
I am willing to try adjusting the pot too. I want the 360 to work with back ups all the time.
Post by: ntloser on September 17, 2006, 08:26:00 PM
What about one of these? http://www.divineo.com/cgi-bin/div-us/zz-360-lens
Its not a better quality but it may be a good back up if you fry the original while adjusting the pot.
This post has been edited by ntloser: Sep 18 2006, 03:33 AM
Post by: firestorm2yk on September 17, 2006, 08:36:00 PM
Besides, if indeed you can use any laser from any dvd-rom, then i would pick up a good quality dvd-rom from ebay and use the laser unit out of that and it would cost half as much as what divineo is selling.
I'll try a pot adjustment the next time the problem rears it's ugly head and let you know what it was originally set to, and wether it makes any difference.
Post by: ntloser on September 17, 2006, 09:40:00 PM
Post by: ntloser on September 17, 2006, 09:57:00 PM
I was reading some more and found a thread by moda who wrote a pot calibration tutorial. The thread mentions you can't replace the laser on a 360 drive with a regular PC one. He states it must be from another 360 drive. The thread aslo goes on to say the samsung lasers are weak compared to hatachis.
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/lofiversion/i...hp/t517961.html
This post has been edited by ntloser: Sep 18 2006, 04:58 AM
Post by: Mana on September 18, 2006, 04:05:00 AM
its a pain, if i let the xbox cool down like leave it for 5 mins it boots so makes me think this is a heat problemor also i have heard that an older version of xtreme, like 3.2 might fix the problem?
Post by: dynt on September 18, 2006, 09:00:00 AM
Post by: ntloser on September 18, 2006, 09:23:00 AM
Just taking the 360 out of the case and have some fans blowing across/on it.. to keep it cool.
Anybody up to it?
Post by: mrjkwik on September 18, 2006, 09:26:00 AM
QUOTE(dynt @ Sep 18 2006, 11:07 AM)
same prob as everyone else but i have pot tweaked to 2.8 ohms i am considering going back to v3 the only thing that seems to work is put an original then go straight to a backup
assuming your using 3.3, thats because when you insert an original, it switches the drive to "slow" mode for backups.
personally, i'm a believer in the "pot tweak". once tweaked mine down to 3.3 i've had no problems. as i've stated before, replacing a laser is still cheaper than replacing a retail disc.
Post by: Mana on September 18, 2006, 10:27:00 AM
but i opened up a window, put my house fan near the case, played saints row (backup for 2 hours), changed to 99 nights (backup), booted fine.
tried pgr3 (original) played for 1 hour, tried saints row (backup) , booted fine...
heat is definately the issue at least for me...
i aint got the big ballens to pot, so i have ordered the intercooler...
my room is very warm btw (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
when the intercooler (its cheap anyway) i will let u guys know how it goes...
Post by: ntloser on September 19, 2006, 04:43:00 AM
Post by: Mana on September 19, 2006, 01:25:00 PM
also i played dead rising for about an hour, and i had a house fan blowing on the xbox...
switched to saints row and it booted fine...
definately heat, which i am glad of cos i really didnt want to open up my xbox and play with the POT. seems even more risk than just flashing.
intercooler on the way as well so hopefully i wont have to have the fan blowing on the xbox now
Post by: ntloser on September 20, 2006, 08:07:00 AM
I wonder how much it will cool it down? I might as well try it too. Hopefully it will work fo rme too.
I had to take off the case and put fans on it to make the open tray error disappear. Mine was still too hot with the case on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) (That is what I mean by "Just putting fans around mine isnt good enough")
This post has been edited by ntloser: Sep 20 2006, 03:11 PM
Post by: Mana on September 21, 2006, 06:21:00 AM
the problem with heat and open tray is that the the cpu and gpu are located under the drive and so after playing for a few hours the dvd drive heats up...
apparently the intercooler will cool down these areas by up to 8C which is a pretty big drop... hence i am hoping that this will be enough to make the sammie pick up backups. well it should do as a house fan blowing over the xbox has fixed it..,
Post by: JayQue on September 21, 2006, 07:58:00 AM
Post by: ntloser on September 21, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
Mana,
Do you think the replacement fans may be better than the intercooler?
Post by: Mana on September 21, 2006, 09:31:00 AM
thats prolly the best solution but then if u have to leave your xbox case open its not really worth it as it looks so fugly.
intercooler will be here tomorrow and i will let u know how it goes.
just to retest i played an hour of saints row without my house fan pointing on the xbox. tried to switch on dead rising and open tray.
house fan is on, let the xbox cool down for 1 minute and the thing booted fine.
Post by: ntloser on September 21, 2006, 09:37:00 AM
QUOTE(Mana @ Sep 21 2006, 11:38 AM)
what replacement fans are u talking about mate , the fans that u have added inside your case?
thats prolly the best solution but then if u have to leave your xbox case open its not really worth it as it looks so fugly.
intercooler will be here tomorrow and i will let u know how it goes.
just to retest i played an hour of saints row without my house fan pointing on the xbox. tried to switch on dead rising and open tray.
house fan is on, let the xbox cool down for 1 minute and the thing booted fine.
Duh sorry for not being clear.. the tailsmoon fans.
http://www.talismoon...whisperfan-blue
Post by: Mana on September 21, 2006, 02:27:00 PM
but i have already ordered the intercooler already so i will let that have its test drive and see how i go.
might order the talismans and get the ultimate air cooled xbox eh
Post by: ntloser on September 21, 2006, 02:52:00 PM
Today i got my new black knight case. Since I have no case modding skills, this was the best I could do for now.
I put the 360 back together and played the original Saints Row for an hour then left Saints running for another 2. In the mean time, I installed a Pioneer 111-D into my PC and made a back up of Amped 3. It played!!!
I went to another back up I made using the Lite-on and got "Open Tray", then I tried Amped 3 againand it worked again.
I am now backing up my games again using the 111-D to see if they will play all the time..Will post.
Man I hope that was all it was.. I am still going to get the fans and an Intercooler.. It can't hurt..
This post has been edited by ntloser: Sep 21 2006, 09:55 PM
Post by: ntloser on September 21, 2006, 03:36:00 PM
I made another back up of Prey using the Pioneer. Just like the back up of Amped it worked in the hot system. YAY!!!
Post by: Mana on September 21, 2006, 05:43:00 PM
Post by: ntloser on September 22, 2006, 02:08:00 AM
Post by: OriginalCompGeek on September 22, 2006, 05:05:00 AM
I have flashed my drive twice (literally, no bad flashes, the firmware has been flashed exactly two times) one to 2.0, then to 3.3. I have NEVER gotten a read error, at full speed or other wise. I have also NEVER gotten a coster, every single one of my burns has been successful.
My experience with firmware flashing and backups is like a dream.
Post by: ntloser on September 22, 2006, 05:17:00 AM
I took the box fan away from the 360 to do some more testing.. It seems the 360 can read back ups burned with the 111-D better but still not as good as the originals.
111-D back ups will be recognized within the first few minutes of boot up or, at any time as long as a house fan is blowing on the 360.
Lite-On back ups will be recognized within the first few minutes of boot up or at any time if the case is off and fans are blowing on it.
Originals .. all the time
Once either type of back up is recognized, they play for hours
Tailsmoon and intercooler here I come
This post has been edited by ntloser: Sep 22 2006, 12:24 PM
Post by: mrjkwik on September 22, 2006, 05:48:00 AM
i reread this thread and saw that you were willing to try the pot tweak, but dont see where you tried it. i'd suggest trying it before putting more money out. if you have a volt meter, then the only thing it will cost you is time and patience. just follow that tutorial in the pot tweaking thread by moda.
also, if you do, it wont take much to move the screw just a hair. you cant really even see it move. apply some pressure like your gonna turn it, then recheck its numbers. just dont go below 3.0.
Post by: ntloser on September 22, 2006, 06:31:00 AM
Dynt went down to 2.8 and still couldn't get the open tray message to stop. But when the xbox is cooled the results are always positive.
This post has been edited by ntloser: Sep 22 2006, 01:37 PM
Post by: SOA on September 22, 2006, 07:10:00 AM
The only thing that makes sence to me is that it is a heating issue...
there are soo many ppl that have done the pot tweak and have got nothing....pot tweaking is very dangerous and will reduce the life of your laser and if u do blow the laser replacing the laser is such a pain as the angles of your new laser will never be the same as your old laser (angle that moves it left and right + the angle that moves it up and down......)
someone also suggested that it could be a bug in the FW and the laser dosent know where the middle is.......There was a video on the forums somewhere.... But this cant be true because if it was the laser not knowing where the middle is, it would do the open tray everytime and it would not succed after a 1 min cool down....
Conclusion:
the issue is heat, as the GPU is directly under the dvd drive heat goes directly to the drive, this some how affects the lasers ability to read,,,(i dont know much about Light.Amplification.By.Stimulated.Emition.Of.Radiation
maybe someone can shed some light of Heating effects on Lasers.....
Post by: Mana on September 22, 2006, 09:55:00 AM
the heat issue with me is that the gpu and cpu are undeneath the dvd drive or near it and after a few hours of gaming the dvd drive gets hot and doesnt like reading backups and i get open tray. house fan on the xbox case reduces this but doesnt completely eliminate it.
anyway, i whacked in the intercooler, played saints row for a few hours then left it running. changed to test drive backup which ALWAYS gives me open tray. booted up first time. i felt the side of the xbox, particularly the hottest part (underneath the dvd drive) where the cpu and gpu are. befor eintercooler it was very very warm, near hot.
now its just lukewarm. the intercooler really does pump out the air. it does add some noise but u cant hear it over music of ingame sounds so i am happy.
i realise i could have saved myself £15 and done a pot tweak but it was just too risky for me man. this way i have fixed my open tray and potentially lengthened the life of my xbox cos of the cooler temps and didnt have to tweak my laser.
ntloser let me know how u go with your intercooler and fans (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
with talismans your thing really should be cool. if that doesnt work then like u said u still have the pot tweak to try...
Post by: ntloser on September 22, 2006, 10:51:00 AM
QUOTE(Mana @ Sep 22 2006, 12:02 PM) 
ok intercooler is here ladies and gents.
the heat issue with me is that the gpu and cpu are undeneath the dvd drive or near it and after a few hours of gaming the dvd drive gets hot and doesnt like reading backups and i get open tray. house fan on the xbox case reduces this but doesnt completely eliminate it.
anyway, i whacked in the intercooler, played saints row for a few hours then left it running. changed to test drive backup which ALWAYS gives me open tray. booted up first time. i felt the side of the xbox, particularly the hottest part (underneath the dvd drive) where the cpu and gpu are. befor eintercooler it was very very warm, near hot.
now its just lukewarm. the intercooler really does pump out the air. it does add some noise but u cant hear it over music of ingame sounds so i am happy.
i realise i could have saved myself £15 and done a pot tweak but it was just too risky for me man. this way i have fixed my open tray and potentially lengthened the life of my xbox cos of the cooler temps and didnt have to tweak my laser.
ntloser let me know how u go with your intercooler and fans (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
with talismans your thing really should be cool. if that doesnt work then like u said u still have the pot tweak to try...
Excellent .. I am glad the intercooler fixed it. I ordered the Intercooler, Tailsmoon fans (green), Arctic 5 thermal compound, and thermal compound remover . I am also going to pick up a torx 6 and some cutting pieces for my dremel locally. If the Intercooler fails I will do this...
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=467045
AND THIS
(IMG:http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/ntloser/Xbox/360metal7.jpg)
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Post by: Mana on September 22, 2006, 11:42:00 AM
) took disc out went to dash, put test drive, booted played for 1 hour, put in dead rising booted
i think my open tray days are gone! not even got the house fan pointing at the xbox anymore, just the intercooler running.
i am a happy bunny and i didnt have to touch my POT!
heh, u do all those mods ntloser and no way heat will be affecting your dvddrive
but i am pretty sure the intercooler will solve your problems
Post by: ntloser on September 22, 2006, 12:32:00 PM
QUOTE(Mana @ Sep 22 2006, 01:49 PM)
more testing, saints row for a 2 hours (escorting some bitches around
) took disc out went to dash, put test drive, booted played for 1 hour, put in dead rising booted
i think my open tray days are gone! not even got the house fan pointing at the xbox anymore, just the intercooler running.
i am a happy bunny and i didnt have to touch my POT!
heh, u do all those mods ntloser and no way heat will be affecting your dvddrive
but i am pretty sure the intercooler will solve your problems I hope so.. I am tired of taking it apart .. Saints Row is awesome. That is the game I play most of the time.
Post by: ntloser on September 22, 2006, 01:26:00 PM
Just wondering, do you ever hit eject on the dvd drive and it doesn't open. It will say opening then nothing happens then is says reading.. and you have to hit eject again..
Just curious and didn't want to start a whole other thread
Post by: Mana on September 22, 2006, 01:54:00 PM
get that intercooler and talisman asap!
Post by: Gatecra5her on September 23, 2006, 04:22:00 AM
Just a thought though, did all of you having the "open tray" issue have to do the vcc trick? If so, did you replace the resistor? I'm just wondering if that's the cause of anything?
-Mark
This post has been edited by Gatecra5her: Sep 23 2006, 11:26 AM
Post by: ntloser on September 23, 2006, 08:08:00 AM
Post by: Mana on September 23, 2006, 08:10:00 AM
man i just flashed my mates hitachi today... sooooooooooo much easier than a ms28
edit: doesnt seem right if the xbox 360 doesnt have problems.... i kinda miss the open tray
edit2: no i dont (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
This post has been edited by Mana: Sep 23 2006, 03:11 PM
Post by: firestorm2yk on September 23, 2006, 11:39:00 AM
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=549751
It's a pretty new topic but if true, im much more willing to try this then the pot tweak because if it doesnt work, you can always put the old laser unit back in and it makes more sense that a better quality laser from a good quality pc dvd-rom would work yonks better then the cheaply made-in-taiwan lasers on the X360.
Post by: ntloser on September 23, 2006, 12:54:00 PM
I got my 360 at work today and wow.. the rear fans hadly pull the air and it is hot only after being on a few minutes. I got my tailsmans today but decided to wait for the thermal paste and do everything at once.
Post by: ntloser on September 23, 2006, 02:19:00 PM
Post by: Mana on September 23, 2006, 06:58:00 PM
Post by: mrjkwik on September 23, 2006, 09:52:00 PM
Post by: ntloser on September 23, 2006, 10:36:00 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=L33MfiV3ffs
The music is.... just as ...whatever
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Post by: mrjkwik on September 23, 2006, 11:43:00 PM
though, that doesnt quite explain why you guys who are experimenting with the heat theory are having success simply by cooling the system.
Post by: ntloser on September 24, 2006, 12:18:00 AM
Have you taken your case off and put some fans on it? Try it out for a couple days and see what happens. I am curious to see if it solves your issue as well. I know my 360 runs really hot and the stock fans don't do sqaut. Hot hot air seems to seep out of the back with barely any force.
This post has been edited by ntloser: Sep 24 2006, 07:21 AM
Post by: mrjkwik on September 24, 2006, 12:57:00 AM
Post by: ntloser on September 24, 2006, 01:18:00 AM
Post by: dynt on September 24, 2006, 08:09:00 AM
QUOTE(dynt @ Sep 18 2006, 06:07 PM)
same prob as everyone else but i have pot tweaked to 2.8 ohms i am considering going back to v3 the only thing that seems to work is put an original then go straight to a backup
I put this post up earlier in the thread I doubled checked the ohms and it was 3.29 i must have knocked it putting it back together i have since tweaked it back to 2.82 ohms and it has got rid of the problem'
I also put a post where i swopped the lazer on a hitachi drive with a Samsung PC drive this also got rid of the problem.
On closer inspection of some lazers it seems where the lazer is set in the plastic they are not completely flush some have a couple of thou slant on them so lazer swopping is a good bet.
Both my 360s have 3 fans each 2 90mm pc fans and a extra internal fan so all thou keeping them cooler i am sure is a good thing i dont think its related to this problem.
Also there is a hong kong company with over 99% positive feedback selling lens at $12 or so and drives at $85 with cheap shipping.
The rubber band mod also makes sense and is worth trying but i have yet to give it a go.
Post by: JayQue on September 24, 2006, 03:45:00 PM
just do what i did.. i dont see why you should go buy a 20+ dollar fan that isnt 100% to work..
you can find a rubberband anywhere.. its free.. and its easy to install.. takes like 5 minutes with your case together to fully installing the rubberband..
i have some videos on youtube but they are low res cause youtube does that
but ill try to get a high res cam so its not as bad as the ones i have..
its simple.. easy.. and works 100% !
check the pic
have a nice day
OH and also.. its not a "heat issue" i tested the theory of heat by making my drive external and still had open tray errors.. so thats not the problem here , ran a game with my rubberband mod for a few hours and my drive had a chill feel to it as it was external.. i took the rubberband out and it still gave open tray , myth busted
another thing.. explain why originals would boot 100% fine and backups dont at all.. if it was heat no disc would boot.. correct ? exactly..
Post by: mrjkwik on September 24, 2006, 05:05:00 PM
Post by: JayQue on September 24, 2006, 05:34:00 PM
QUOTE(mrjkwik @ Sep 24 2006, 11:36 PM)
just going by what i saw in that pic, a rubber o-ring may work. or a stiff rubber washer. just gotta find ones small enough, and split them. just an idea.
hmm that might work.. but o-rings would slide around unless they were super tiny that fit snug over the chrome track piece.. give it a try see what you come up with
Post by: ntloser on September 24, 2006, 07:18:00 PM
Post by: Mana on September 24, 2006, 08:01:00 PM
Ok as many of u would have read, i WAS having the dreaded Open Tray Problem. My 360 has a samsung fw28 drive in it which i flashed with the xtreme 3.3 hacked firmware.
My backups are done with a pioneer 111D with vebatim dual layer +r discs, burnt in clonecd at 2.4x.
ORIGINAL games always booted, from cold of after i had been gaming for hours.
BACKUPS are different... All of my backups will boot from cold but i found that after the xbox 360 got a bit toast after say an hour of gaming, if i tried to swap to another backup disc i would get the open tray in dash. i would either a) have to let the xbox cool down for 2-3 minutes
keep opening and closing the tray and after around 5 goes the thing would boot.Naturally i thought it was a heat issue and so i went out and bought the nyko intercooler.
Inititally i was excited i gamed with my saints row backup for an hour and then switched to another backup and it booted. However after heavy gaming this weekend i foudn that the open tray error was still there. all backup discs would give the open tray error after a while. The xbox 360 was running a lot cooler however
.Hence i started to think this isnt a heat issue. So today i thought POT tweak. went out and got a cheap multimeter and tried to do the pot tweak. sadly the multimeter wasnt sensitive enough to read any resistance so it was useless. so i put the xbox back together and was gonna wait til tomorrow to get a better multi. Then i saw the rubber band fix.
Now when i start up a backup, i can straight away tell if its gonna give me an open tray as it makes a grinding noise a sec after insertion. JayQue reckons this noise is cos the laser is reading too far into the middle of the disc, which does make sense. why it doesnt do it with originals i have no idea. also there might be a heat issue, making the laser read the wrong area of the disc when it gets warm. who knows.
anyway his suggestion was to put a band as here:
.which i did. initially nothing would now boot, not even originals, all i got was a terrible grinding noise. JayQue then suggested that my band was too thick and the laser was now reading too far from teh middle. Following his advice, i untied the rubber band and cut it in half lengthways.
My final rubber band was now about 2mm wide and about 1mm thick. i then retied as shown in the pic, cut of excess and prayed.
Originals and backups now booted. Strange, even adding a little distance, doesnt affect booting?
So i have just gamed for an hour on saints row, then swapped like crazy. NO Open Tray. Time will tell but i think i finally nailed it!...
Full credits for my happiness and open tray fix goes to JayQue. THanks mate for helping me out on irc as well
Hope this helps u guys. ntloser i reckon u should try the rubber band and dont try the pot tweak, this way is safer and works for me.
I am still glad i got the intercooler as the 360 runs a lot cooler and should hopefully stop it from burning out!
Post by: mrjkwik on September 24, 2006, 08:14:00 PM
Post by: Mana on September 24, 2006, 08:27:00 PM
QUOTE(mrjkwik @ Sep 25 2006, 03:21 AM)
do you still get any "grinding" noise at all?
hmm not really, just the normal disc sounds that i got when things booted up normally.
ntloser, disconnect the dvd drive from the xbox and remove it from teh case.
then remove the 4 screws. now u can remove the metal casing on either side of the dvd drive. Next slide the tray open and orientate the drive so it looks like the picture above. You can slide the laser unit down so that u can have more room to work with. Now u should have plenty of space to tie the rubber band around the metal rod...
good luck dude. if u need more help i am on efnet irc (Mana).
Post by: ntloser on September 24, 2006, 09:03:00 PM
Yes I got the top off and I see the laser lens assembly and how it moves on the metal rods.. I am just to sure where the rubber band goes.. Does the rubber band attach to 2 places and pull the assembly.. or is it just tied to the rod preventing the laser assembly from moving all the way to the center post
Post by: ichitaka on September 24, 2006, 09:15:00 PM
ANYWAY, i've found a way to play backups after hours of playing, it always work.
All you need to do is:
1. Insert a xbox360 original game.
2. Wait for the intro titles.
3. Eject the tray and extract the original disk.
4. Close the tray and wait until it says "Open tray".
5. Open the tray again and insert your backup.
6. Play.
Is a known trick between the spanish community, it works 100%. Some pepole do it a little different, they go back to the dashboard by pressing the guide button and Y before extract the original disk, between the steps 2 and 3.
I think that as someone have suggested the problem must be the placing of the laser and somehow related to heat.
Anyway, i'm still waiting for a permanent fix.
Mana: i dont know what rubber band are you talking about, could you edit your photo and indicate it with an arrow please?
Bye!
Post by: SOA on September 24, 2006, 09:20:00 PM
dosent make any sence......
Post by: JayQue on September 24, 2006, 09:26:00 PM
anyways.. here is a picture for you blind bats with it circled and the "arrow" to show where its located
Post by: ichitaka on September 24, 2006, 09:31:00 PM
Post by: ntloser on September 24, 2006, 09:32:00 PM
Post by: ichitaka on September 24, 2006, 09:52:00 PM
You just attach it there without any glue?
Thanks, cya
Post by: Exobex on November 23, 2006, 04:29:00 PM
Note: undo the small Philips screw, not the big plastic nut thing on the top side as this is preset to a certain position. When refitting, put the black bit back in the right way round (it'll drop into place at the right position, anywhere else it'll look bent or just wrong). If the bar now has about 2mm of play at the end you undid, you haven't lined the black bit up properly so unscrew it and try again.
Post by: MiahX007 on November 24, 2006, 03:58:00 PM
As soon as he disassembled the case and played with the DVD drive out , no DRE's for hours of play.
CONFIRMED: Heat is the cause of many dirty disk errors.
Post by: TGD on November 25, 2006, 11:39:00 PM
Before i had moved my 360, it was sitting next to my pc which my pc is connected to my hdtv... so this sorta convinces me that the heat coming off my pc next to my 360 was adding extra heat into my 360 causing my dvd drive to give me OPEN TRAY message after my 360 had been on for a period of time.
Its definately a heating issue.. no doubt about it.
Post by: ntloser on November 26, 2006, 12:12:00 AM
QUOTE(TGD @ Nov 26 2006, 02:10 AM) 
I just like to give my input as well, I have a Sammy in my 360, i had a bunch of backups that worked fine up until recent weeks, i started getting OPEN TRAY messages off and on... especially have i had been playing for a long period of time. I moved my 360 near my window where i get a little cold draft from the window... that seemed to totally get rid of my OPEN TRAY error.
Before i had moved my 360, it was sitting next to my pc which my pc is connected to my hdtv... so this sorta convinces me that the heat coming off my pc next to my 360 was adding extra heat into my 360 causing my dvd drive to give me OPEN TRAY message after my 360 had been on for a period of time.
Its definitely a heating issue.. no doubt about it.
Heat is a (related) issue in some cases.
My first 360 would not give the open tray if the case was off and there were large fans blowing on it. But who wants that?
Once the rubber band fix was applied, I never got the open tray error again.
For Jay Que, heat was not a factor. Until he put did/invented the rubber band mod, he reported open tray errors when the dvd drive was removed from the 360 and cool to the touch.
Mana was able to subdue his open tray errors with an intercooler but they would still happen after a lengthy gaming session. The rubber band fix stopped the open tray completely.
Post by: gmiceli3412 on November 26, 2006, 12:13:00 AM
Post by: TGD on November 26, 2006, 12:20:00 AM
QUOTE(ntloser @ Nov 26 2006, 12:43 AM)
Heat is a (related) issue in some cases.
My first 360 would not give the open tray if the case was off and there were large fans blowing on it. But who wants that?
Once the rubber band fix was applied, I never got the open tray error again.
For Jay Que, heat was not a factor. Until he put did/invented the rubber band mod, he reported open tray errors when the dvd drive was removed from the 360 and cool to the touch.
Mana was able to subdue his open tray errors with an intercooler but they would still happen after a lengthy gaming session. The rubber band fix stopped the open tray completely.
For what ever reason, it seems heat caueses the sliding back and forth of the mechinisim to fail or not completely finish its process..with the 0ring or some kind of bumper in plcase..it stops the OPEN TRAY message which i believe is some how caused by heat.
I should of mentioned that i also put in a rubber ring as a bumper, i no longer need to sit my box near the window at all.
Post by: letterb0x on November 27, 2006, 05:17:00 AM
im another one that was havin probs with the open tray message
fixed it now using a really small cable tie, dont tie it completely tight though as the head on the end will make the gap too big, let it hang loose and all is fine, its about 1.5 mm wide, but the head on it is nearly 3.
didnt glue it in place, its only plastic and these things never break!
Also took the oppurtnity to fit an extra fan, nice shiny blue led!! should keep it a bit cooler and make it last a little longer!
WOOOOHOOOO!!!
Post by: foaley77 on November 27, 2006, 05:30:00 AM
Post by: titocosa on November 27, 2006, 08:30:00 AM
QUOTE(gmiceli3412 @ Nov 26 2006, 07:44 AM)
you guys will not believe this.. all this time we have been using verbatim verbatim. i cannot say where i heard this but the open disc error is on verbatim. just please everyone give me benefit of the doubt and try memorex. you will not get the open tray message. no open tray message with wal-mart hp's either. only verbatim.
no way, I have the "open tray" error in ALL my ridisc backups, and sometimes with my verbatims
I made the pot calibration too, and the problem persists. I will try with the rubber band in my next fw flash
This post has been edited by titocosa: Nov 27 2006, 04:35 PM
Post by: foaley77 on November 28, 2006, 01:51:00 AM
QUOTE(foaley77 @ Nov 27 2006, 09:31 PM)
I did this tonight, I just used some Blutack as I could not find a rubber band seems to work fine now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I went a bought some rubber bands today, I don't know if open tray has anything to do with heat but I had a copy that would not work the xbox was running for 6 hours so I turned it off for 2 1/2 hours turned it back on and it worked this was with the rubber band mod.
Post by: MiahX007 on November 28, 2006, 10:29:00 AM
Easy way to keep the drive cool. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: blackedout on December 04, 2006, 08:00:00 PM
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Post by: ntloser on December 04, 2006, 08:50:00 PM
QUOTE(blackedout @ Dec 4 2006, 10:31 PM)
so i have the dirty disc and un recognized error and heat does not matter and the rubber band trick does not work.... back ups only work about 20 percent of the time and then get the disc dirty err... and originals freeze up and says dirty disc... any suggestions? replace lense maybe?
Perhaps replace the lens, maybe tweak the pot.... or return the whole xbox. The rubber band is only for open tray. Replacing the lens sounds like complicated pain in the ass. It would be easier to do the swappy swap.
Post by: blackedout on December 04, 2006, 09:28:00 PM
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Post by: kesava108 on December 04, 2006, 09:58:00 PM
QUOTE(ntloser @ Dec 5 2006, 02:21 PM)
Perhaps replace the lens, maybe tweak the pot.... or return the whole xbox. The rubber band is only for open tray. Replacing the lens sounds like complicated pain in the ass. It would be easier to do the swappy swap.
what iswapy swap, i get dirty disc error alot now
Post by: Mysoundhurts on December 04, 2006, 10:40:00 PM
Post by: ntloser on December 05, 2006, 07:30:00 AM
QUOTE(Mysoundhurts @ Dec 5 2006, 01:11 AM)
if it has to do with heat then why do some backups not work when you cold boot, i come home xbox is cold insert back up or boot from same backup from night before and grinding sound and open tray.
Did you read the whole thread?
Post by: PacinoAllstars on December 05, 2006, 10:27:00 AM
Can someone post an example of this. I can't understand what you guys exactly mean. Which part f the biro am I suppose to use ?
Post by: feekh on December 05, 2006, 11:21:00 AM
After some months of playing backups with my hitachi flashed drive (flashed with birdy flasher)
it suddenly stopped!
Was playing test drive and all of a sudden the game stalled..
My xbox has never played a game since. Backups nor originals
So my guess: maybe fw problem.
- Tried to restore fw, succes, but still no games i can play
- Flashed drive again, got the open tray error!
Second guess: fried laser..
- Bought a new laser, installed it, and now i'm trying to get rid of the open tray error!
I can put the drive in B mode with slax boot cd (like i always did).
But i cant flash it! When i open the birdyflasher program it just gives an error like:
"Device isn't ready"
When i turn off the xbox and thereby cutting the power from the drive
the program just loads normally..
So if anyone recognises this problem or has an solution please post your comment!
Post by: joemore on December 05, 2006, 01:31:00 PM
Is there any evidence that people useing slow read speed for their backups get fewer problems regarding the open tray issue?
Post by: ntloser on December 05, 2006, 01:34:00 PM
The dvd drives in the 360 are garbage.
This post has been edited by ntloser: Dec 5 2006, 09:35 PM
Post by: PacinoAllstars on December 05, 2006, 12:59:00 PM
QUOTE(joemore @ Dec 5 2006, 09:02 PM)
Could it be possible that the "open tray problem" could be avoided by useing the "4.2b" firmware? Since slow reading speed is default in the "b" version it may prevent the drive from possible damage/problems. Or is my thought nonsense?
Is there any evidence that people useing slow read speed for their backups get fewer problems regarding the open tray issue?
I bought xbox 360 a week ago and flashed it immediatly with extreme firmware 4.2b.
I callibrated my lense because I had open tray errors. Later I still had the same error. Ise used this rubberband thingy and my games seem to start always now.
Waiting for verbatims now (just bought an extra pioneer 1.11D
)
Post by: Techno Maniac on December 05, 2006, 03:23:00 PM
i think it has something to do with verbatums before u flame me listen
when i first flashed my drive wit xtreme 3.3 i bought some off brand dvd dl(im so sorry i cant remeber the name because they where those cds u no with no name or nothin on the top) but they cost me $40.00 for 15
i never had and open tray ever, i backed up my saints row & nba 2k7 played them for a bout to months no open tray i even upgraded to 4.2a(which ever one the fast readin one is) i never got and open tray. But i kept hearin verbatums where the best so i bought a pack from newegg $33.00 for 20 and i rebacked up my saints row and nba 2k7 i could cold boot both games but if i were playin one and then tried to put the other in after a couple of games(all i had to do to get them workin was keep openin and closing the tray till it cought to finally get it to play or turn off the xbox for about 3 mins and they would work. but one day i decided to see if they old backups would work so i played a game of nba 2k7 wit the verbatum backup
i finished ejected put the saints row in(the verbatum backup)open tray, so then i put my off brand backup of saints row in and it worked flawlessly everytime no matter which game i was playing when the verbatum gave me open error the off brand would start right up
Post by: deckameron on December 09, 2006, 08:21:00 AM
Ive been having problems with my Xbox360 too. All my games are giving me "Dirty disc error".
It only works when my system is opened and well aired. I tried to do Rubberband Mod but it also didnt work.
I dont know what else to do. That Intercooler didnt work either.
The only way to play is when my system is opened and I really dont think it is a good ideia.
Post by: BigSteel on December 09, 2006, 10:41:00 AM
Post by: deckameron on December 09, 2006, 11:36:00 AM
I was having problems with open tray too, but I discovered a solution.
Remove the bottom metal plate of the DVD drive.
When you open the drive to perform a Rubberband, do not put the bottom part of the drive back. Live it with only the upper one.
It worked for me. Now my drive is getting a lot o coooooool air. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
See you
Post by: BigSteel on December 09, 2006, 11:20:00 AM
QUOTE(BigSteel @ Dec 9 2006, 06:12 PM)
Ok, I just flashed a brand new MS28 with 4.2A and got open tray errors right away with my Pioneer 111D burned Verbatim backups. I then tried a Fuji DL and it worked perfectly everytime. Leads me to suspect that perhaps the media may be the issue. I had a mix of discs made with DVD decrypter and CloneCD. The Fujis that all worked used both Clone and Decrypter.
Update: I just did the rubberband mod and now all the games that previously would not boot now work
Post by: sunnyxwala on February 04, 2007, 02:06:00 PM
but after reading this thread(the whooole thing), i realized everyone has been very helpful...
ok so here is my problem,
i do not have an open tray error...not yet at least
BUT i DO
have a loud grinding sound when the drive spins upto full speed, i got an open tray error once...
the unit is well ventilated, and i have tried both vertical and horizontal positions.
drive is a ms25 with 4.2a
will the"rubberband mod" fix the grinding sound issue?....
also is this grinding bad for my laser?...is the disk touching the laser??
Post by: Malacius on February 09, 2007, 03:15:00 PM
QUOTE
well this is what i think from my own expienece...
i think it has something to do with verbatums before u flame me listen
when i first flashed my drive wit xtreme 3.3 i bought some off brand dvd dl(im so sorry i cant remeber the name because they where those cds u no with no name or nothin on the top) but they cost me $40.00 for 15
i never had and open tray ever, i backed up my saints row & nba 2k7 played them for a bout to months no open tray i even upgraded to 4.2a(which ever one the fast readin one is) i never got and open tray. But i kept hearin verbatums where the best so i bought a pack from newegg $33.00 for 20 and i rebacked up my saints row and nba 2k7 i could cold boot both games but if i were playin one and then tried to put the other in after a couple of games(all i had to do to get them workin was keep openin and closing the tray till it cought to finally get it to play or turn off the xbox for about 3 mins and they would work. but one day i decided to see if they old backups would work so i played a game of nba 2k7 wit the verbatum backup
i finished ejected put the saints row in(the verbatum backup)open tray, so then i put my off brand backup of saints row in and it worked flawlessly everytime no matter which game i was playing when the verbatum gave me open error the off brand would start right up
i think it has something to do with verbatums before u flame me listen
when i first flashed my drive wit xtreme 3.3 i bought some off brand dvd dl(im so sorry i cant remeber the name because they where those cds u no with no name or nothin on the top) but they cost me $40.00 for 15
i never had and open tray ever, i backed up my saints row & nba 2k7 played them for a bout to months no open tray i even upgraded to 4.2a(which ever one the fast readin one is) i never got and open tray. But i kept hearin verbatums where the best so i bought a pack from newegg $33.00 for 20 and i rebacked up my saints row and nba 2k7 i could cold boot both games but if i were playin one and then tried to put the other in after a couple of games(all i had to do to get them workin was keep openin and closing the tray till it cought to finally get it to play or turn off the xbox for about 3 mins and they would work. but one day i decided to see if they old backups would work so i played a game of nba 2k7 wit the verbatum backup
i finished ejected put the saints row in(the verbatum backup)open tray, so then i put my off brand backup of saints row in and it worked flawlessly everytime no matter which game i was playing when the verbatum gave me open error the off brand would start right up
Well spoken mate, I figured out exactly the same. I also have a Samsung drive (but flashed with 5.3c) and my verbatim games would also cold boot without a problem, but swapping to another game or restarting the game on a verbatim disc would give open tray error. Now im using Memorex dual layers and i dont have any open tray error anymore. Seems like Verbatims arent that good like everyone says.
Post by: claypool on February 10, 2007, 12:02:00 AM
Post by: Blietzkreig on March 12, 2007, 08:41:00 AM
QUOTE(feekh @ Dec 5 2006, 05:52 PM)
After some months of playing backups with my hitachi flashed drive (flashed with birdy flasher)
it suddenly stopped!
Was playing test drive and all of a sudden the game stalled..
My xbox has never played a game since. Backups nor originals
I have Hitachi DJ47 with GaryOpa 2.1 firmware. 90% of backups no longer work giving various errors "unrecognised disk", "open tray" etc.
Some originals work, some partly i.e. load and then get dirty disc error, some not all all.
I'm going to try the following:
1. Flash firmware with latest GaryOpa 2.3 (has 2.1 on currently)
2. "Rubberband Mod"
3. Pot Re-Calibration
Failing the above I see no other choice but to get a replacement drive or laser assembly.
Can anyone out there suggest a solution before anything drastic is done ?
Post by: cutha on April 01, 2007, 11:23:00 PM
My 360 is just a little over a year old. It has been modded for about a month now with ZERO problems. I use verbatim d/l disk's burned @ 2.4x. The 360 had been working perfectly and then after my kids were trying to play a game now it always says "Open Tray" no matter if it's a backed up disc or retail.
Any help would be great!
Thanks,
Cutha
QUOTE(Blietzkreig @ Mar 12 2007, 03:12 PM)
I have the EXACT same problem as Feekh: (happened in the EXACT same manner)
I have Hitachi DJ47 with GaryOpa 2.1 firmware. 90% of backups no longer work giving various errors "unrecognised disk", "open tray" etc.
Some originals work, some partly i.e. load and then get dirty disc error, some not all all.
I'm going to try the following:
1. Flash firmware with latest GaryOpa 2.3 (has 2.1 on currently)
2. "Rubberband Mod"
3. Pot Re-Calibration
Failing the above I see no other choice but to get a replacement drive or laser assembly.
Can anyone out there suggest a solution before anything drastic is done ?
Post by: idog on April 02, 2007, 03:56:00 AM
QUOTE(cutha @ Apr 2 2007, 06:54 AM)
I too am having the problem. However, I have tried the rubberband trick, plus I adjusted the dvd pot from 3.6k to 3.1k with no change.
My 360 is just a little over a year old. It has been modded for about a month now with ZERO problems. I use verbatim d/l disk's burned @ 2.4x. The 360 had been working perfectly and then after my kids were trying to play a game now it always says "Open Tray" no matter if it's a backed up disc or retail.
Any help would be great!
Thanks,
Cutha
Nope, if you already tried cleaning the lens and done the pot calibration I suspect a new laser is the only solution now. It's not that 'drastic', only costs about 25 euros for a new one and installation is done in no-time (took me about half an hour - and that was including the time I lost searching for a fallen screw :-) )
Post by: cutha on April 04, 2007, 10:45:00 PM
Cutha
QUOTE(idog @ Apr 2 2007, 11:03 AM)
Nope, if you already tried cleaning the lens and done the pot calibration I suspect a new laser is the only solution now. It's not that 'drastic', only costs about 25 euros for a new one and installation is done in no-time (took me about half an hour - and that was including the time I lost searching for a fallen screw :-) )
Post by: FlamingAim on April 07, 2007, 03:09:00 PM
And I thought rubberbands where useless...
Post by: jetgti on April 09, 2007, 03:25:00 AM
After replacing the laser, everything works brilliantly
Post by: Ph33r K0rpV on April 18, 2007, 10:21:00 AM
i read alot on your forum about the problem with disc read error and close tray problem ...
i read sorting out the calibration of the pot and thought il try the rubber band tweek first ..
so i flashed a hitachi drive 046 rom version and it would not recognise any media discs at all besides genuine games and movies..
list of discs it wouldnt recognise as follows
these are all burnt on a pioneer 111d (version 1.29) also a nec optric using image burn v2.2
media used
verbatum (dye mkm 001) (printable face)
ridisc 2.4x (dye mag do4) (printable face)
ridisc 2.4x (dye mag do1) (printable face)
ridisc 8x (dye RICOHJPND01) (printable face)
at first it would not recognise any of the above untill i did the rubber band trick .But then it would recognise VERBATUMS MKM001
Ok now i thought i was getting somewhere so then i tried the ridiscs but it still gave me tray closed error or cannot read disc error...
Now i played around with the rubber band to no avail at all .. (couple of hours gone now ) still only able to get the verbatums to work .. now all the above discs are working on my other 360 with the same dvd drive ..
i thought has no one gone down the route of trying to clean the laser itself ???
so i grabed the misses nail polish remover and grabbed a cotton ear bud and cleaned the laser to the best i thought i could ...
NOW ...>>>
i have verbatims and the ridisc 2.4x working everytime ...
so i then took the drive apart again and cleaned the laser more with the nail polish remover ..
NOW..>>> i have all the discs above working fully ..
all the above working have the rubber band trick applied ..
i removed the rubber band and all the above still work ..
my conclusion is CLEAN YOUR LASER FIRST BEFORE YOU DO RUBBER BAND OR POT CALIBRATION ...
like to say thanks to the lads who have posted about rubber band trick and pot calibration the TUT have been a great help ..
please post if cleaning the laser head has worked for you also ....
rgds Jaime
Post by: georgeten on May 14, 2007, 12:39:00 AM
I'm using Pioneer 112D to write the backups on Verbatim DVD+R DL at 2.4X.
Tried so far, without success:
1. Rubberband mod
2. POT calibration from 3.68 to 3.22
Intend to go on with:
1. Use pen spring or rubber ring instead of rubberband
2. Flash to 5.3
3. Replace the laser
4. Replace the drive.
Please help me with any suggestions.
Post by: blstormo on July 20, 2007, 12:38:00 PM
Thanks All! This mod seems simple enough, just want to double check everything.
Post by: ntloser on November 19, 2007, 10:04:00 PM
After a 12 hour session today I got the Open Tray error. I just shut it off for a bit then turned it back on. I am thinking about doing the rubber band mod to this one too. Damn, I am too lazy to open it up.
This post has been edited by ntloser: Nov 20 2007, 06:05 AM
Post by: ntloser on November 21, 2007, 10:55:00 PM
This post has been edited by ntloser: Nov 22 2007, 06:58 AM
Post by: fokia on December 06, 2007, 07:47:00 AM
Since I've had the xbox open I decided to upgrade the firmware to iExtreme 1.2 rev2. I encountered a small (big) problem: at first the firmware wasn't passing to the drive (It took a lot of time after decided that something fishy was going on - also, my PC also stop responding...) only 2 of 11 sectors were written to flash after about half an hour running the script! I've shut it all down and restarted the process, made an restore and flash it again - all smooth this time!
I don't have any retail games right now (I'll have them back this weekend) but I have a backup that keep telling me the tray is open... Original video DVD's play fine but still no avail with that backup.
The backup is on Memorex (ritek dye), burnt on NEC 3500AG with Liggy's and Dee's 2.R8 bitsetting firmware, booktype = DVD-ROM, @2.4x, imgBurn. To get OPEN TRAY error
Also, I did burn a Verbatim but with Booktype=DVD+DL, bigger image size (due to splitvid correction with XBC) and NEC 2.16 factory firmware, XBC/imgBurn. To get Unplayable error
I' tried the POT tweak (from 3.66K incremental decreases until 2.89K), and the switch trick (its an Hitachi) but not the original rubber band. Still OPEN TRAY.
Latter (today) I'll try the rubber ban mod and also cleaning the lenses with alcohol and report here... (I don't think cleaning the lenses with nail polish is that good idea - nail polish=ketone and ketone and plastics dont do well
)I realize did something that I shouldn't have done: tweak to many variables without checking every time with an original game
now I'm somewhat afraid I can't easily go back with some of that changes.What errors should I expect, when trying to play a backup, If something is wrong with my firmware?
Post by: fokia on December 06, 2007, 04:17:00 PM
My drive now reads my backup - the verbatim one! The memorex keep telling me OPEN TRAY. The verbatim gave unplayable before but since I've cleaned the lenses with alcohol and made a LASER switch advance seems to work just fine. I've tried with double sided sponge-like tape - also the rubber band trick - none did work but now it works with five (or six?) layers of electric isolation tape switch advance:
(IMG:http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/606/schemake3.jpg)
FYI the verbatim is not booktyped as DVD-ROM.
Also did the POT adjustment (didn't work) and it stays as before ~3.66 KOhm.
Post by: tenaciousd on January 12, 2008, 09:10:00 PM
If I see his console again, Im going to try that Electrical tape mod.
I did originally think of advancing that white thing, (sorry for all the things! lol) but had nothing to hand.
Post by: Zer0123 on January 12, 2008, 09:46:00 PM
Post by: snes_83 on September 13, 2009, 09:30:00 PM
My Hitachi 47 DJ drive keeps giving me the "open tray" error while using Sony 2.4x DVD+R DL discs that I just bought from Frys.
Tried to save a little money compared to the price of Verbatims.
Hopefully this will work...
Post by: Mikewho19 on September 27, 2009, 09:52:00 PM
I personally have the hitachi myself and i got the open tray error and my friend that helped me mod my system.. thought the laser was bad... so i brought a new replacement drive and swapped it out.. but i'm still gettin the open tray error... well... it worked for a day or so...
So i'm VERY VERY frustrated. I dont know what to do. i've been looking at youtube stuff and tried some of the things.
I put a piece of paper inside the magnet area... but it started making a really loud noise.. so i didnt wanna keep it there in case it broke the system. but nothing else seems to work...
i am tryin to return my drive but its so frustrating and a waste of time.