Post by: Xbox-Scene on June 28, 2006, 08:28:00 AM
| A new brand/model of the DVD-ROM drive has been found in the Xbox 360: a Philips VAD6037/21. More work for the firmware hackers ;) Below is a picture of this new drive. The 2nd pictures shows all 3 Xbox360 DVD-drives known so far next to each other with open tray ... so you can easily find out which DVD drive your Xbox 360 has without opening the case or breaking the warranty, just compare the trays! (IMG:http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/dvd/phillipsxs_s400.jpg) (IMG:http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/dvd/allthreedvdsxs_s400.jpg) All 3 XBox 360 DVD drives. From left to right: Philips VAD6037/21, Hitachi-LG GDR-3120L and Toshiba-Samsung TS-H943 |
Post by: yankefish on June 28, 2006, 07:41:00 AM
Keep the good work up C4
Post by: dutch nelson on June 28, 2006, 07:41:00 AM
Post by: theblujuggalo on June 28, 2006, 07:48:00 AM
GO HACKERS
GO HACKERS
GO HACKERS
lol.............................................................. no
Post by: Areohbe on June 28, 2006, 08:26:00 AM
Post by: Aval0n on June 28, 2006, 07:56:00 AM
Am I the only one noticing that the phillips drive's faceplate isn't chrome?
Man I'de be pissed if I bought an xbox360 and it had some crappy white plastic faceplate with an oooooglah black tray coming out.
Maybe this is the M$ 'fuck you guys' drive in retaliation for the firmwarez (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO STOP YOU!!! BUT YOUR SHITS GONNA BE OOOGLAH!!! -Bill Gates.
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Post by: theblujuggalo on June 28, 2006, 07:57:00 AM
Post by: Aval0n on June 28, 2006, 08:36:00 AM
Post by: Infiniterb on June 28, 2006, 08:01:00 AM
Post by: Aval0n on June 28, 2006, 08:04:00 AM
/me points... WOOK it's GODZIRRA!!!!
/me runs away
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Post by: NookularDeath on June 28, 2006, 08:07:00 AM
unless someone can show this Phillips drive installed in a XBOX 360 or show the backplane of the drive that distinctly shows the 360 power connector and SATA connector, I'm not buying that this is a new drive..
Post by: Aval0n on June 28, 2006, 08:47:00 AM
QUOTE(NookularDeath @ Jun 28 2006, 03:14 PM) 
ummm this is the same drive that was featured on the www.etech4sale.com site and it was noted that it's NOT a 360 drive, but a regular XBOX drive...
unless someone can show this Phillips drive installed in a XBOX 360 or show the backplane of the drive that distinctly shows the 360 power connector and SATA connector, I'm not buying that this is a new drive..
Uhm dude, maybe you need to clear the sleep out of your eyes. Do you not SEE the standoffs?!?!
XBox1 drives mounted completely different with screw holes at the top front and left bottom rear. Not to mention it's pretty damned hard to get a 360 faceplate on a xbox1 drive. Unless someone here at xbox-scene just doesn't have anything better to do then crazy glue shit together and laugh at our expense.
(IMG:http://www.etech4sale.com/images/0145000_0145999/145726_h.jpg)
above image of Xbox1 Phillips drive courtesy http://www.etech4sale.com/
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Post by: robivy64 on June 28, 2006, 08:15:00 AM
-R
Post by: NookularDeath on June 28, 2006, 08:53:00 AM
QUOTE(Aval0n @ Jun 28 2006, 09:18 AM)
Uhm dude, maybe you need to clear the sleep out of your eyes. Do you not SEE the standoffs?!?!
XBox1 drives mounted completely different with screw holes at the top. Not to mention it's pretty damned hard to get a 30 faceplate on a xbox1 drive. Unless someone here at xbox-scene just doesn't have anything better to do then crazy glue shit together and laugh at our expense.
(IMG:http://www.etech4sale.com/images/0145000_0145999/145726_h.jpg)
above image from http://www.etech4sale.com/
umm dude.. here's the drive on etech4sale
Philips VAD6037/21
(IMG:http://www.etech4sale.com/images/0213000_0213999/213036_h.jpg)
Post by: MrPhunkee on June 28, 2006, 08:18:00 AM
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on June 28, 2006, 08:19:00 AM
glad i got a sammy and a hitatchi.
Post by: Aval0n on June 28, 2006, 08:21:00 AM
QUOTE(NookularDeath @ Jun 28 2006, 03:24 PM) 
umm dude.. here's the drive on etech4sale
Philips VAD6037/21
(IMG:http://www.etech4sale.com/images/0213000_0213999/213036_h.jpg)
And this looks REMOTELY similar to you?!?!
Post by: Xb0XmAn on June 28, 2006, 08:26:00 AM
QUOTE(Aval0n @ Jun 28 2006, 04:28 PM) 
And this looks REMOTELY similar to you?!?!
lol.. indeed, this doesnt look remotely similar.
the picture of the etech is a thomson drive. and the picture on x-s of the philips is real.. you can tell by the standoffs.
Post by: NookularDeath on June 28, 2006, 08:26:00 AM
I wanna see some official news that's claiming that the 360 is now using Philips drives...
etech4sale has had this drive in stock for several months and it's just now that someone claims that the XBOX360 is using it...
ante up!!! wanna bet it's not??
Post by: lufcfan on June 28, 2006, 08:43:00 AM
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Post by: spitron on June 28, 2006, 09:19:00 AM
Post by: theblujuggalo on June 28, 2006, 08:48:00 AM
i have no fuckin comment
i hope this guy chokes on his uvula
Post by: NookularDeath on June 28, 2006, 08:51:00 AM
QUOTE(lufcfan @ Jun 28 2006, 09:50 AM)
Dude, that's a 360 Drive - Notice the Core DVD Tray on there? Not to mention the Eject button assembly fixed to the anchor point below the tray? WTH makes you think it ain't a 360 drive, lol?
god damn... I will repeat.. show the back of the drive already...
as well www.etech4sale.com has had these drives listed as 360 drives for 3 months now and
as of yet, noone has claimed to have gotten a 360 with a Philips drive in it...
I don't give a shit if it's got standoffs or a 360 core tray plate on it...
I want details on 360s coming with Philips drives, not a fucking photo that could or may have been
doctored...
QUOTE(theblujuggalo @ Jun 28 2006, 09:55 AM)
NookularDeath = dumbass
i have no fuckin comment
i hope this guy chokes on his uvula
ICP dipshit... go choke on your nutsack...
Post by: bff_foeva on June 28, 2006, 08:52:00 AM
*ontopic*
I think this i gonna be fun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Post by: epsilon72 on June 28, 2006, 09:01:00 AM
QUOTE(NookularDeath @ Jun 28 2006, 07:33 AM)
until I see the back of this Philips DVD drive, I'm calling it an XBOX 1 drive.
I wonder if this one is quieter than the other two? I have a T/S and sometimes i really wish the thing wouldn't run at 12x all the time...
Yes this is indeed most likely M$'s answer to xtreme firmware.
Post by: poonation on June 28, 2006, 09:01:00 AM
edit:Spelling
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Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on June 28, 2006, 09:04:00 AM
QUOTE(theblujuggalo @ Jun 28 2006, 09:55 AM)
i have no fuckin comment
i hope this guy chokes on his uvula
isnt that a comment?
wonder why lately every xbox-scene news thread get trashed before it reaches page 2?
keep the comments on topic please.
Post by: Guifox on June 28, 2006, 09:04:00 AM
Post by: NookularDeath on June 28, 2006, 09:05:00 AM
QUOTE(bff_foeva @ Jun 28 2006, 09:59 AM)
Wow nooklear, You are stiff and need an attitued ajustment.
*ontopic*
I think this i gonna be fun
and you need to learn to spell check or go back to school for remedial english
you spelled my name wrong... you can't spell attitude right and you missed
the `d' in adjustment.. and you missed the `s' in is...
Post by: LordX on June 28, 2006, 09:08:00 AM
what flash/bios chip ?
anyone can take a full size picture of the dvd drive PCB ?
Post by: NookularDeath on June 28, 2006, 09:15:00 AM
QUOTE(epsilon72 @ Jun 28 2006, 10:08 AM)
I wonder if this one is quieter than the other two? I have a T/S and sometimes i really wish the thing wouldn't run at 12x all the time...
Yes this is indeed most likely M$'s answer to xtreme firmware.
why do people always bring up the noise of the drive spinning?? what do you expect a disc to sound like when it's spinning at high speed??
if you got the stereo cranked when playing a game or you have headphones on, what difference does it make with the spinup of a drive???
if this is a new drive that MS has gone with to end the firmware hacks, the only way it can stop it is if they replaced the EEPROM with a version that can't be written to period..
and that still won't stop the persistent types like myself who chucked their Hitachi and got a Samsung..
Post by: epsilon72 on June 28, 2006, 09:51:00 AM
QUOTE(NookularDeath @ Jun 28 2006, 08:12 AM)
and you need to learn to spell check or go back to school for remedial english
you spelled my name wrong... you can't spell attitude right and you missed
the `d' in adjustment.. and you missed the `s' in is...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/grr.gif)
dude, chill. misspelling your username is not a personal attack on you.
QUOTE
why do people always bring up the noise of the drive spinning?? what do you expect a disc to sound like when it's spinning at high speed??
if you got the stereo cranked when playing a game or you have headphones on, what difference does it make with the spinup of a drive???
because i like to get the best sound out of my 5.1 system as possible without background interference. my pc for example was built from the ground up to be extremely quiet; i don't want to have to crank up the volume to cover background noise up. It's probably not a big deal for most people, but some people do mind.
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Post by: danielgary on June 28, 2006, 09:17:00 AM
Post by: FlashKick on June 28, 2006, 09:20:00 AM
anyway, that above picture is a thomson.
Post by: gerzand on June 28, 2006, 09:20:00 AM
QUOTE(danielgary @ Jun 28 2006, 03:24 PM)
Just wanted to point out that this drive was manufactured in April 2005. Seems like quite a while ago to be a *new* 360 dvd drive.
haha
Post by: Gators2001 on June 28, 2006, 09:23:00 AM
Post by: NookularDeath on June 28, 2006, 10:00:00 AM
QUOTE(danielgary @ Jun 28 2006, 10:24 AM)
Just wanted to point out that this drive was manufactured in April 2005. Seems like quite a while ago to be a *new* 360 dvd drive.
April 2005??? LMAO!!! That's NOT a new 360 drive... they must have pulled it out of a
developer kit if it is a 360 drive... but I'm seriously doubting it....
as I pointed out.. the drive has been featured on etech4sale for some months now...
I figured by now someone would have claimed to have gotten a 360 with a Philips drive in it...
until I see the backplane and it's actually connected to a 360 running a game.. (show some video)..
I'm not going to be totally convinced that it's indeed a 360 drive...
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Post by: epsilon72 on June 28, 2006, 10:00:00 AM
QUOTE(danielgary @ Jun 28 2006, 08:24 AM)
Just wanted to point out that this drive was manufactured in April 2005. Seems like quite a while ago to be a *new* 360 dvd drive.
heheh oops i see that now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
maybe i'm a little more tired than i thought.
and why is this on the front page of X-S then?
Post by: danielgary on June 28, 2006, 09:35:00 AM
A thread at xboxhacker.net discusses it, but at least one poster there stated that it was an old XBox drive. This, combined with the packaging covering up the back of the drive, as well as the old manufacturing date, leads me to believe that the information is incorrect.
Looks like someone just reported the etech4sale item to xbox-scene, and they ran with it.
Honest mistake,
Daniel Gary
Post by: deedie on June 28, 2006, 09:40:00 AM
and the tutorial for flashing the drives mentions the philips drive
it says there is no tutorials available!!
but it does mention it
Post by: Exobex on June 28, 2006, 10:25:00 AM
Product may differ from image shown.
Why has nobody picked up on this? The picture's obviously a Thomson TGM-600, nobody's saying it isn't.
QUOTE(epsilon72 @ Jun 28 2006, 04:22 PM)
dude, chill. misspelling your username is not a personal attack on you.
because i like to get the best sound out of my 5.1 system as possible without background interference. my pc for example was built from the ground up to be extremely quiet; i don't want to have to crank up the volume to cover background noise up. It's probably not a big deal for most people, but some people do mind.
What's nucelar anyway? Never trust technology to a nation that can't even pronounce it properly!
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Post by: NookularDeath on June 28, 2006, 09:53:00 AM
QUOTE(Exobex @ Jun 28 2006, 10:48 AM)
Here's a close-up view of the eTech4Sale.com page...
Product may differ from image shown.
Why has nobody picked up on this? The picture's obviously a Thomson TGM-600, nobody's saying it isn't.
it's not a 360 drive... look at the photo.. observe the Manufacture Date of April 2005... It's over a year
and a half old.. Wasn't it in April 2005 that the 360 was announced officially??
I don't believe first production runs of the 360s were started until June/July timeframe..
somebody fubared with the photo...
Post by: nachomans on June 28, 2006, 10:30:00 AM
would be nice to see the board inside the drive
Post by: xboxexpert on June 28, 2006, 09:57:00 AM
As for the people fighting in this thread...drop it before I drop you.
Post by: TIME2PLAYDAGAME on June 28, 2006, 10:06:00 AM
Post by: OMERTA on June 28, 2006, 10:06:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxexpert @ Jun 28 2006, 12:04 PM)
etech4sale is legit they just dont use uptodate picutres.
As for the people fighting in this thread...drop it before I drop you.
Thank you, everytime read about news from the main page now all I see is bitching and fighting.
Post by: mattyv on June 28, 2006, 11:08:00 AM
The standoffs, bezel and eject button seems to make it legit although I would be pretty pissed if I just bought a new one and found this drive in it.
Post by: karlpowell on June 28, 2006, 11:28:00 AM
karl
Post by: mksoftware on June 28, 2006, 11:57:00 AM
I wonder if this guy just bought one of etech4sale.com, or bought a new 360. The manufacture date makes no sense at all...
Post by: NookularDeath on June 28, 2006, 11:36:00 AM
QUOTE(karlpowell @ Jun 28 2006, 11:59 AM)
I know there is a possibilty that this is not a new drive BUT if it is i hope it fixes the scratching disks problem , nobody seams to have mentioned this .
karl
you can fix the scratching of discs by putting some felt pads inside and ontop of the metal case of
the DVD drive.
scratching is done when you move the DVD drive around and cause the DVD to become unbalanced.
there's not much support to keep the DVD from tilting just slightly and when it's spinning at such a highrate of speed a slight tilt will cause it to rub against the DVD tray and scratch the acryllic coating..
another possible fix would be to swap out the metal piece in the spindle cap that's located in the top cover with a magnet of opposite polarity so that when the DVD tray closes the two opposite pole magnets snap together really tight which would prevent the DVD from tilting....
used to be in older CD drives, there was a piece that snapped down over the spindle that prevented the disc from tilting around because the lens module didn't compensate for the tilt and wobble of the disc when spinning....
Post by: Insipidus on June 28, 2006, 12:14:00 PM
QUOTE(xboxexpert @ Jun 28 2006, 05:04 PM)
etech4sale is legit they just dont use uptodate picutres.
As for the people fighting in this thread...drop it before I drop you.
Didn't you learn your lesson in the hilarious 3 pictures thread? How do you "drop" someone on the internet, by clicking the ban button with gusto? Get your ego in check and calm down.
Post by: jtom617 on June 28, 2006, 11:39:00 AM
QUOTE(Areohbe @ Jun 28 2006, 02:57 PM)
the philips drive looks like you could easily pull up the round cover over the disc... maybe M$ wanted to make dvd drive windows easier for us...
That was exactly what i was thinking.
QUOTE(MrPhunkee @ Jun 28 2006, 03:25 PM)
+ i think this time the firmware wouldnt be writable anymore
LOL, thats what we thought about the other dvd drives, here we go again. More works for the FIRMWARE BOYS (C4E), and for NME-360.
Post by: Neoistheone2000 on June 28, 2006, 11:43:00 AM
QUOTE(epsilon72 @ Jun 28 2006, 11:22 AM)
dude, chill. misspelling your username is not a personal attack on you.
because i like to get the best sound out of my 5.1 system as possible without background interference. my pc for example was built from the ground up to be extremely quiet; i don't want to have to crank up the volume to cover background noise up. It's probably not a big deal for most people, but some people do mind.
lol the 16x in my PC is quieter than my 360 and so is the modded PC 16x samsung in my xbox 1 for a 12x my 360 is loud (and iv had 2 out of the 3 to know) i had a toshiba-samsung then my replacement unit was a Hitachi-LG and they both sound like a jet engine.....
Post by: NookularDeath on June 28, 2006, 11:59:00 AM
QUOTE(Neoistheone2000 @ Jun 28 2006, 12:50 PM)
lol the 16x in my PC is quieter than my 360 and so is the modded PC 16x samsung in my xbox 1 for a 12x my 360 is loud (and iv had 2 out of the 3 to know) i had a toshiba-samsung then my replacement unit was a Hitachi-LG and they both sound like a jet engine.....
well why don't you find a quieter DVD drive and see if you can swapout the controler board if it's simular to either the Samsung or Hitachi..
All the ribbon connectors are about the same in all DVD drives.. one for the lens, one for the tracker motor, and one for the spindle..
it's just an idea... noise is usually because the DVD is not balanced and you are getting a harmonic distortion during highspeed spinning of the disc..
then again.. more than likely the noise is coming from the top spindle piece that snaps down over the disc and it's rubbing or making somekind of harmonic noise due to it's proximity to the top cover..
I've had both the Hitachi and Samsung open and had a disc loading up with just the spindle cap on the disc and I've yet to hear any noise from either...
Post by: TIME2PLAYDAGAME on June 28, 2006, 12:45:00 PM
QUOTE(mattyv @ Jun 28 2006, 12:39 PM)
I just got my Samsung toshiba Drive from etech4sale.com and it is a 360 drive. They show the same Xbox 1 drive pic for all 3 360 drives on their site, but they ship the correct one. As said before, they don't update their pics. And they are only using the Xbox1 pic as a generic photo.
The standoffs, bezel and eject button seems to make it legit although I would be pretty pissed if I just bought a new one and found this drive in it.
Post by: schizzlefuzz on June 28, 2006, 12:47:00 PM
QUOTE(NookularDeath @ Jun 28 2006, 12:06 PM)
I've had both the Hitachi and Samsung open and had a disc loading up with just the spindle cap on the disc and I've yet to hear any noise from either...
Could you enlighten me as to how to get the spindle cap out of the hitachi without destroying the top cover? I would like to try it out and see if it makes my drive any quieter.
Post by: Xb0XmAn on June 28, 2006, 12:58:00 PM
QUOTE(danielgray @ Jun 28 2006, 05:22 PM)
Just wanted to point out that this drive was manufactured in April 2005. Seems like quite a while ago to be a *new* 360 dvd drive.
my oldest 360 drive is a hitachi is from september 2005.. and it was the a european release.
so this philips should have come from one of the first xbox360's made.. since they havent been noticed then I suspect the philips drive comes from a beta360 or is a batch made for testing purposes or whatever prior to the production of the retail xbox360's. maybe thats where etech got there stock from.
Post by: sicknasty413 on June 28, 2006, 01:35:00 PM
Post by: NookularDeath on June 28, 2006, 01:15:00 PM
QUOTE(schizzlefuzz @ Jun 28 2006, 01:54 PM)
Could you enlighten me as to how to get the spindle cap out of the hitachi without destroying the top cover? I would like to try it out and see if it makes my drive any quieter.
the Hitachi DVD drive spindle cap is in the top of the cover.. Take your thumbs and push from the bottom up and the sticky metal plate will come up... pop the spindle cap out and then put a disc in the DVD and pop the spindle cap over the DVD.. you know it's in place when it clicks firmly in place..
but word of caution.. I don't advise you to run your DVD drive like this all the time.. the slightest tilt of the disc at high speeds and that fucker will come flying off the spindle.. the disc then becomes a projectile....
unless you have a magnet in the spindle cap that will ensure a tight fit on the spindle to keep the disc from tilting, it's best you don't run the DVD drive like that...
Post by: DaShiZNiT on June 28, 2006, 01:53:00 PM
or are they just being sold?
Post by: bucko on June 28, 2006, 02:03:00 PM
Post by: feflicker on June 28, 2006, 02:08:00 PM
QUOTE
I don't give a shit if it's got standoffs or a 360 core tray plate on it...
I want details on 360s coming with Philips drives, not a fucking photo that could or may have been
doctored...
I want details on 360s coming with Philips drives, not a fucking photo that could or may have been
doctored...
Looks like a 360 drive to me... Doctoring a photo is possible, but that LOOKS legit to me. I guess well find out in the coming weeks if it is new, or something from a dev kit, etc....
This post has been edited by feflicker: Jun 28 2006, 09:11 PM
Post by: cross_stix on June 28, 2006, 02:18:00 PM
QUOTE(cross_stix @ Jun 28 2006, 03:40 PM)
Holy crap I was right this does seem to be a 360 drive.
I don't think its "new" though as others have said. The T/S drives that etech sells seem to be from dev/beta/prototype etc. kits and have black trays instead of a gray ones. My theory is that these are also from prototype 360s just took awhile for some1 to notice them.
I noticed that in the "A Look Inside Xbox 360" and "TheColony" videos that there's a clip of one guy "poking around" in a protoype 360 and the dvd-rom in it looks very similar.
I snaped this from "TheColony"
(IMG:http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3248/thecolonyv2750k00400016um.jpg)
Interesting...
I don't think its "new" though as others have said. The T/S drives that etech sells seem to be from dev/beta/prototype etc. kits and have black trays instead of a gray ones. My theory is that these are also from prototype 360s just took awhile for some1 to notice them.
I noticed that in the "A Look Inside Xbox 360" and "TheColony" videos that there's a clip of one guy "poking around" in a protoype 360 and the dvd-rom in it looks very similar.
I snaped this from "TheColony"
(IMG:http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3248/thecolonyv2750k00400016um.jpg)
Interesting...
Post by: NookularDeath on June 28, 2006, 01:54:00 PM
QUOTE(cross_stix @ Jun 28 2006, 02:49 PM)
ok I will accept it being in a prototype 360... that's the ONLY place you will find these Philips DVD drives in...
I seriously doubt Philips will be included in any production runs of any 360s.... Not unless there's a shitload of them in the tens of thousands that need to be used up out of the inventory bins...
it would be interesting to know if these prototype 360s with the Philips DVD had any encryption technology built into them.. might be the reason why Hitachi and Samsung were exclusively chosen for the production runs due to their flashable ROMS to insert keys into them...
Post by: stezo2k on June 28, 2006, 02:50:00 PM
the tray looks very similar to the philips xbox1 drive
Post by: Joergen on June 28, 2006, 03:42:00 PM
Plus black is not a part of the 360 color scheme, where white and gray meet. Cables are gray, PSU is gray, sides are gray, tray is gray, controller has gray bezels, sticks and dpad. Only the IR lense is "black" but is actually translucent red.
Post by: kev4e15 on June 28, 2006, 04:05:00 PM
Post by: cypher35 on June 28, 2006, 04:41:00 PM
i need to know which one to avoid...
Post by: lucho on June 28, 2006, 05:18:00 PM
(IMG:http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5002/img04952tx.jpg)
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Post by: cross_stix on June 28, 2006, 06:18:00 PM
Also, sry if this is a little off topic and correct me if im wrong, but, didn't T/S drives not start appearing in retail 360s until early 2006?
What im getting at is that isn't it possible that these phillips drives could start appearing in reatil 360s since M$ already had them manufacture a few.
Probably not likely since they havn't appeared yet, but who knows.
This post has been edited by cross_stix: Jun 29 2006, 01:18 AM
Post by: VinnySem on June 28, 2006, 06:58:00 PM
QUOTE(Insipidus @ Jun 28 2006, 01:45 PM)
Didn't you learn your lesson in the hilarious 3 pictures thread? How do you "drop" someone on the internet, by clicking the ban button with gusto? Get your ego in check and calm down.
Let's see, joined yesterday, post count in single digits... formerly banned member with a case of sore colon? Don't have that fresh-and-confident feeling?
Post by: seedyrom2003 on June 28, 2006, 07:38:00 PM
Post by: Heet on June 28, 2006, 08:17:00 PM
DOAX2 Cypher!!!!!
Post by: Insipidus on June 28, 2006, 08:58:00 PM
QUOTE(VinnySem @ Jun 29 2006, 02:05 AM)
Let's see, joined yesterday, post count in single digits... formerly banned member with a case of sore colon? Don't have that fresh-and-confident feeling?
Haha, fair conclusion but not true. I registered yesterday because it's been so long since I said anything here I forgot my username. I only look on here for info on my 360 and as of yet haven't found any topics that really needed input from me. Sometimes nothing is the smartest thing you can say.
And no I'm not saying this topic "really needed" my 2 cents, it just pisses me off when low level mods start threatening people rather than try to calm things down and keep them on topic.
Post by: Woore on June 28, 2006, 09:15:00 PM
Post by: i800phyco on June 28, 2006, 08:59:00 PM
QUOTE(robivy64 @ Jun 28 2006, 03:22 PM)
How horrid. i HATE PHILLIPS DRIVES.
-R
I dont know man the 04 phillips was my fav xbox1 drive.
Back on topic my buddy got his box early from some contest or another and it
had a black tray I'll have to check the tray slot and see if it's one of these.
Post by: bishop05 on June 29, 2006, 12:33:00 AM
Post by: flashfreak on June 29, 2006, 01:43:00 AM
I personally don't think the black tray would suit the rest of the case, unless u have XCMs black knight case.
Post by: Xb0XmAn on June 29, 2006, 04:37:00 AM
QUOTE(cross_stix @ Jun 28 2006, 09:49 PM)
pretty sure now this philips is from a beta kit, this photo confirms it
its a old photo from a guy poking around in a beta kit.
This post has been edited by Xb0XmAn: Jun 29 2006, 11:39 AM
Post by: RMF on June 29, 2006, 09:26:00 AM
QUOTE(flashfreak @ Jun 29 2006, 09:14 AM)
I personally don't think the black tray would suit the rest of the case, unless u have XCMs black knight case.
I personally think that the black tray would go better with the white. Actually, now that I come to think about it, my tray is only ever open for a few seconds at a time, and I NEVER pay attention to the tray or admire it whilst thinking about how lovely the grey looks against the white and chrome...so actually, I couldn't really give a fuck about what colour it is. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Post by: NookularDeath on June 29, 2006, 09:58:00 AM
hell I would prefer the slotted DVD drive anyway... stick a disc in much like you do with today's car stereos..
Post by: cross_stix on June 29, 2006, 11:42:00 AM
(IMG:http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/9579/thecolonyv2750k00300016hq.jpg)
You can clearly see a white DVD bezel here similar to the picture posted here...
not that it really matters since Cores have white bezels, but just further proof that it's from a pre-release 360
Post by: torenzicht on July 07, 2006, 05:09:00 PM
Post by: KUNFUCHOPSTICKS on July 25, 2006, 03:27:00 PM
I read this whole thread, so the conlcusion is THIS IS FAKE/Outdated prototype?
there is nothing to worry about? 4eva would of worked soemthing out by now if it was real...
peace
Post by: garyopa on July 25, 2006, 04:05:00 PM
Not used in the retail market.
And will not play original games anyway.
Post by: XBOXIZGOOD on February 04, 2007, 12:33:00 PM
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Post by: xry on February 04, 2007, 01:04:00 PM
Post pictures of the tray.
Post by: garyopa on February 04, 2007, 01:01:00 PM
QUOTE(XBOXIZGOOD @ Feb 4 2007, 02:04 PM)
Sorry to dig up this old post, but my brand new 360 I got at Gamestop came with the Philips drive in it. I made a thread about this already, but I can confirm that yes the tray is GRAY and not black, and the boot and load times in games are a wee bit faster. Also, Oblivion seems to load MUCH fast and smoother than any of the previous drives as well. I've had 360s with T/S and Hitachi drives, and the Philips is faster than both. It's also INCREDIBLY quiet....you honestly couldn't believe that a 360 could run a disc at that speed and be that quiet after hearing the Hitachi and T/S drives in action. I don't have a digital camera or a camera phone, but the Philips DOES exist if there was still any doubt. FWIW, the MFR date is 12-15-2006, and the TEAM name on the box was CSON. So far, I'm VERY happy with this drive.
You could have the new LG/BenQ drive they should be in x360's by 2007 Mfr. date,
But yours could be an early one.
Best thing to do is open it up and take a picture of the top of the drive with the tray open.
Post by: XBOXIZGOOD on February 04, 2007, 10:13:00 PM
Post by: -PK- on February 05, 2007, 12:23:00 AM
Of course without a few pictures to confirm, who knows.
Post by: regeli on February 05, 2007, 05:17:00 AM
Post by: Boddah on February 05, 2007, 04:49:00 AM
QUOTE(regeli @ Feb 5 2007, 06:48 AM)
Please open your console. We have to know which drive you have.
Spoken like a true modder.
I'm going to call BS until we see pictures/more people start discovering this drive in retail 360s.
Post by: xry on February 05, 2007, 06:16:00 AM
QUOTE(XBOXIZGOOD @ Feb 5 2007, 05:44 AM)
I'm not gonna void out my warranty, especially since I just plunked down $50 for the PRP at Gamestop. I'll see if I can borrow a friend's digital camera and take some pics. All I know is that it's not a Hitachi or a Sammy, as I've had both. The tray looks IDENTICAL to the pics of the Philips I've seen on this site and others. Whatever it is, it's IMO the best drive out there as far as speed and quietness goes. And XRY...you don't have to believe me. It won't hurt my feelings. I beleive it's the Philips drive though. Not a Hitachi, and not a SAMMY.....
Ehm, why so hostile?
There is too many noobs at this forum. People pretending to know what they are talking about. I just wanted to filter you out from that crowd (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Everybody at this forum is newbs until proven otherwise (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: regeli on February 05, 2007, 06:37:00 AM
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Post by: mayonnaise on February 05, 2007, 07:23:00 AM
QUOTE(Neoistheone2000 @ Jun 28 2006, 12:50 PM)
lol the 16x in my PC is quieter than my 360 and so is the modded PC 16x samsung in my xbox 1 for a 12x my 360 is loud (and iv had 2 out of the 3 to know) i had a toshiba-samsung then my replacement unit was a Hitachi-LG and they both sound like a jet engine.....
My Pioneer 111D is just as loud (if not louder) than my 360 when I burn a DVD at 16X when it reaches the point where its burning at 12x and faster.
Post by: XBOXIZGOOD on February 05, 2007, 11:02:00 AM
Post by: garyopa on February 05, 2007, 11:34:00 AM
QUOTE(XBOXIZGOOD @ Feb 5 2007, 12:33 PM)
I understand everyone's skepticism, but why would I lie about this? Trust me...I'm just as surprised as all of you are since I was expecting to get a SAMSUNG. The tray looks exactly the same as the pic on this site, only it's gray. I'm not posting here to get attention, but I wanted to let everyone know that there IS another drive out there, and it looks like it's a Philips drive.
It is not a Philips as, Philips drives are for sure only in DEV. unit's and have no AES key.
And Philips sold their optical side of the business to BenQ.
Lite-On also has merged their business with BenQ.
M$ has ordered new design of DVD drive to be produced by the new Lite-On/BenQ company,
and those drives are going to start appearing in x360 consoles soon, originally planned for
the same change in the assembly lines for when the new 65nm CPU die is ready.
This could be an early production run with the new drive, as it does have a later mfg. date
then I have seen so far, and all the recent production lots I have see have either an MS28
or the horrible v78 drive, and those don't date pass the Oct. / Nov. dates.
I have stated before that by XMAS or just after you would be seeing x360 consoles with
the new Lite-On/BenQ drive, but without any pictures or more units appearing it is hard
to know for sure one way or the other.
At some point smeone will be willing to open their brand-new console to take pictures.
Post by: Exobex on February 05, 2007, 11:43:00 AM
QUOTE(XBOXIZGOOD @ Feb 5 2007, 05:33 PM)
I understand everyone's skepticism, but why would I lie about this? Trust me...I'm just as surprised as all of you are since I was expecting to get a SAMSUNG. The tray looks exactly the same as the pic on this site, only it's gray. I'm not posting here to get attention, but I wanted to let everyone know that there IS another drive out there, and it looks like it's a Philips drive.
Don't bother opening your 360
Eject the tray
Take a picture of it
Photobucket it
Link to it
Then you WILL get attention (whether you want it or not) as the first to post a pic of the new drive. Probably get frontpaged as well!
Don't forget to update the Xbox 360 DVD Drive Database too. If it helps Maximus or GaryOPA to get hold of one, then as I always say...
everyone's a Winner!
Post by: regeli on February 05, 2007, 02:13:00 PM
The time will show us the truth
Post by: jameswalter on February 05, 2007, 04:45:00 PM
Post by: Cilix on February 05, 2007, 05:11:00 PM
Post by: XBOXIZGOOD on February 05, 2007, 05:23:00 PM
QUOTE(jameswalter @ Feb 6 2007, 12:16 AM)
My guess is that you are looking at the pictures for the old xbox drives. They had philips drives, and probably look like the new hitachi if I remember correctly.
The XBOX Philips drive had a tray that had a 'light bulb" shaped cut out in it. This one has a cut out similar to the old Thomson drive, but the cut out is bigger. If it's not a Philips and is a Ben Q as garyopa says, that's fine by me. Whatever it is, it is making Oblivion it's bitch and doing it VERY quietly which is a nice change after the noisy Hitachi and T/S drives.
Post by: Cilix on February 05, 2007, 06:12:00 PM
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Post by: lord^infamous on February 05, 2007, 06:23:00 PM
Post by: Xbox360Guru on February 05, 2007, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: XBOXIZGOOD on February 05, 2007, 06:30:00 PM
QUOTE(Cilix @ Feb 6 2007, 01:43 AM)
Got pictures, its a Phillips VAD6038. The date on the drive is 11/2006. Lot # on box is 0651, below that there is another number that reads WO B4J61213L1. Got a few close up shots, a shot from behind to show the SATA and power, and one with the whole open box itself with the drive inside. Hope this helps out and proves any disbelievers that this drive does actually exist.
My lot number on my box is 0650, and the other number is also WO B4J61213L1. The name next to "TEAM" is CSON. Was I right about how quiet it is? It's damn near inaudible when it's reading the disc. Show'em pics of the tray. It's the exact same as the pics of the Philips that the Scene posted, except it's gray. What was the MFR date on the back of your 360? Mine was 12-15-2006. Thanks for backing me up on this too, btw. MODS, can we get a sticky on this thread?
Post by: garyopa on February 05, 2007, 06:33:00 PM
QUOTE(Cilix @ Feb 5 2007, 07:43 PM)
Got pictures, its a Phillips VAD6038. The date on the drive is 11/2006. Lot # on box is 0651, below that there is another number that reads WO B4J61213L1. Got a few close up shots, a shot from behind to show the SATA and power, and one with the whole open box itself with the drive inside. Hope this helps out and proves any disbelievers that this drive does actually exist.
Right on time.
I was always saying the production run just before Xmas'06 would have these drives in them.
Very Nice Pictures.
If you are willing to go one step more, take a small screwdriver and crack out the drive case,
and post a picture of both sides of the PCBoard (inside guts) containing the microcontroller.
Just so we know what is needed to work on and if the flash is visible or internal or serial now.
Finally if anyone has a spare drive to ship to us we can get to work on the firmware for it ASAP.
Post by: XBOXIZGOOD on February 05, 2007, 07:13:00 PM
Post by: -PK- on February 05, 2007, 07:26:00 PM
Looks like this one is a BenQ/Philips. Wonder if there will be BenQ/LG's coming out with the 65nm's later in the year as garyopa knows his stuff.
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Post by: xry on February 05, 2007, 06:51:00 PM
We will never get these drives to Norway anyway, we haven't even gotten 0078fk yet, by the time we get these ugly Philips drives here, i'm pretty sure we got a working firmware already.
Hope Microsoft haven't done too much to stop us this time though, can't they just give up?
My guess: Respected Developers getting ahold of a Philip VAD6038 drive = Hacked firmware in a couple of weeks!
I kinda want to donate to GaryOPA, so he can buy this drive
But it possible to even sign firmware? Never heard about anyone doing that before.
Post by: jameswalter on February 05, 2007, 08:14:00 PM
Post by: Cilix on February 05, 2007, 08:22:00 PM
QUOTE(garyopa @ Feb 5 2007, 08:40 PM)
Right on time.
I was always saying the production run just before Xmas'06 would have these drives in them.
Very Nice Pictures.
If you are willing to go one step more, take a small screwdriver and crack out the drive case,
and post a picture of both sides of the PCBoard (inside guts) containing the microcontroller.
Just so we know what is needed to work on and if the flash is visible or internal or serial now.
Finally if anyone has a spare drive to ship to us we can get to work on the firmware for it ASAP.
Sorry, my buddy returned it today unfortunately. I have a few more boxes coming in, brand new ones. If i get another ill post more pictures of the internals.
QUOTE(XBOXIZGOOD @ Feb 5 2007, 08:37 PM)
My lot number on my box is 0650, and the other number is also WO B4J61213L1. The name next to "TEAM" is CSON. Was I right about how quiet it is? It's damn near inaudible when it's reading the disc. Show'em pics of the tray. It's the exact same as the pics of the Philips that the Scene posted, except it's gray. What was the MFR date on the back of your 360? Mine was 12-15-2006. Thanks for backing me up on this too, btw. MODS, can we get a sticky on this thread?
I didnt even turn the thing on honestly so I couldnt tell ya haha. The MFR date was November 13 2006. I just flashed the new box he got, it was dated December 2006 but it was an MS28. Weird.
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Post by: orangeman on February 05, 2007, 08:40:00 PM
ill pm u if u get any luck
Post by: Lice_01 on February 05, 2007, 08:14:00 PM
QUOTE(garyopa @ Feb 5 2007, 08:40 PM)
Right on time.
I was always saying the production run just before Xmas'06 would have these drives in them.
Very Nice Pictures.
If you are willing to go one step more, take a small screwdriver and crack out the drive case,
and post a picture of both sides of the PCBoard (inside guts) containing the microcontroller.
Just so we know what is needed to work on and if the flash is visible or internal or serial now.
Finally if anyone has a spare drive to ship to us we can get to work on the firmware for it ASAP.
Somebody get this man one of those drives ASAP!!!
Post by: shiz on February 05, 2007, 10:15:00 PM
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Post by: DuBob4432 on February 05, 2007, 10:42:00 PM
if i get a hold of one through a friends purchase i will take pictures of every angle of every item to send to gary
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Post by: XBOXIZGOOD on February 05, 2007, 11:59:00 PM
Post by: Blurrz on February 06, 2007, 08:59:00 PM
Post by: xenomorphic on February 06, 2007, 09:14:00 PM
before you start dabbling with another one?
Version 3.0 of hitachi firmware with media stealth was promised "next weekend"
in the beginning of October - it's now February !!!
This post has been edited by xenomorphic: Feb 7 2007, 05:15 AM
Post by: darklocust on February 06, 2007, 10:36:00 PM
Post by: echto on February 06, 2007, 10:09:00 PM
QUOTE(xenomorphic @ Feb 6 2007, 07:45 PM)
GARYOPA - shouldn't you fulfill your promises on the Hitachi Firmware
before you start dabbling with another one?
Version 3.0 of hitachi firmware with media stealth was promised "next weekend"
in the beginning of October - it's now February !!!
WHAT? Are you his mother? What kind of comment is that?
Now calm down and go to your room!
Post by: dabomb506 on February 07, 2007, 12:29:00 AM
i have a new 360 with a production date of 11/16/06. my drive resembles a samsung and im guessing it is an ms28 drive.
that is unless the benq drives look exactly like the samsung drive with the tray opened.
Post by: bob626 on February 07, 2007, 01:35:00 AM
(IMG:http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6703/drive2cx2.jpg)
Post by: backdown00 on February 07, 2007, 02:14:00 PM
the picture of the drive there shows it with a chrome finish... which is different than the other pictures posted which show it with a dull white finish.
Strange
Post by: snaf on February 07, 2007, 08:07:00 PM
QUOTE(backdown00 @ Feb 7 2007, 03:21 PM)
http://www.xbox360fo...ead.php?t=29624
the picture of the drive there shows it with a chrome finish... which is different than the other pictures posted which show it with a dull white finish.
Strange
core 360s dont have the chrome finish on it.
Post by: swolgam on February 07, 2007, 08:58:00 PM
So what are the opinions here on MS finally signing the firmware?
Post by: backdown00 on February 07, 2007, 09:09:00 PM
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Post by: backdown00 on February 07, 2007, 10:09:00 PM
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Post by: Edmolier on February 09, 2007, 05:31:00 PM
QUOTE(backdown00 @ Feb 7 2007, 11:40 PM)
which drive came first? was it hitachi then samsung then this or samsung then hitachi then this? And is this drive the best one out or would any of the other drives be better? sometimes I have found out newer is not always better. Thanks all!
WOW .. Thats alot of questions for 2 posts .... Here goes nothing ... " I " beleive the order would be Samsung - Hitachi - Philips - Then this one .... ( could be wrong ) Would I trade one in for this .... NEVER ... as Microsoft signing the firmware could only mean no " modding " As for one drive being louder than another " Who cares !! " Turn up your TV ... you'll never hear it !!! ... That is a shot at a couple of your questions .... Good luck with the others !!!
Post by: backdown00 on February 10, 2007, 09:29:00 AM
Post by: spike419 on February 10, 2007, 11:47:00 AM
lol..yah right like this drive won't get hacked eventually..lol
Post by: DuBob4432 on February 10, 2007, 11:58:00 AM
Post by: backdown00 on February 11, 2007, 10:27:00 AM
QUOTE(DuBob4432 @ Feb 10 2007, 01:29 PM)
a buddy of mine just ordered a 360....wonder what drive he will get....he has little ones so he is hoping for at least a samsung....
why would he hope for a samsung? what is the difference between the hitachi and the samsung? thanks! My experience is I had a samsung, then a hitachi, both are same loudness, the samsung ate my cd's and tore em up and also had problem reading scratched cd's. The hitachi has none of these problems =).
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Post by: nick727 on February 14, 2007, 10:36:00 PM
Post by: y2j420 on February 15, 2007, 07:15:00 PM
I just purchased my Xbox 360 3 days ago and I checked the manufacturer date: 12/04/2006 and it has the Toshiba/Samsung drive...
I can hear it spin during Gears of War for example, but it usually gets overshadowed by the game noise...
Just adding my 2 cents...
This post has been edited by y2j420: Feb 16 2007, 03:23 AM
Post by: nick727 on February 16, 2007, 08:49:00 AM
Post by: DuBob4432 on February 16, 2007, 08:47:00 AM
QUOTE(backdown00 @ Feb 11 2007, 09:58 AM)
why would he hope for a samsung? what is the difference between the hitachi and the samsung? thanks! My experience is I had a samsung, then a hitachi, both are same loudness, the samsung ate my cd's and tore em up and also had problem reading scratched cd's. The hitachi has none of these problems =).
because the little ones aren't the best for putting the games away back where they came from, in a safe place. they have broken many ps2 and xbox1 games
Post by: nick727 on February 18, 2007, 12:17:00 AM
Post by: jabski on February 18, 2007, 03:06:00 AM
QUOTE(nick727 @ Feb 18 2007, 06:48 AM)
PLEASE START POSTING THE CITY AND STATE where you bought your new 360 so we can know how they are spreading across the US.
dont you want the BenQ VAD6038. Thats a different thread
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=584312
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Post by: nick727 on February 18, 2007, 10:22:00 AM
http://www.360drives.com
enter your info here so we can all have more access to info on xbox 360s and their dvd drives. also post a city and state location
(which dvd drive it is dosen't matter)
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Post by: Exobex on February 24, 2007, 04:05:00 PM
Watching you, watching us...
Post by: jackylad on March 28, 2007, 04:02:00 AM
QUOTE(Exobex @ Feb 25 2007, 12:12 AM)
Greetings to the guy from Sony Computer Entertainment America by the way, who was viewing this topic from sceapdsd43-15.989studios.com last night at 22:40GMT! Seeing how the competition's shaping up, eh?
Watching you, watching us... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Ha Ha! You've gotta love that.
Post by: stone4000 on August 16, 2007, 07:07:00 AM
got my xbox back from service today and i have got phillips drive.
i hate microsoft!!!
Post by: sosotiit on August 16, 2007, 10:46:00 AM
QUOTE(stone4000 @ Aug 16 2007, 09:43 AM)
hey,
got my xbox back from service today and i have got phillips drive.
i hate microsoft!!!
why hate them, you paid for a x360, that is what you got. you cant expect them to say by way lets make an effort to give you the drive that can be hacked!!!
also this section is not for non technical post on what drive people get
-soso
Post by: Alcoholx on October 21, 2007, 07:04:00 AM
QUOTE(jordo2k1 @ Oct 21 2007, 02:01 PM)
dude i hate to piss on ur ego here but this drive is real.
QUOTE(NookularDeath @ Jun 28 2006, 04:02 PM)
Post by: Ranger72 on October 21, 2007, 08:35:00 AM
QUOTE(stone4000 @ Aug 16 2007, 02:43 PM)
hey,
got my xbox back from service today and i have got phillips drive.
i hate microsoft!!!
Why hate them? You are lucky to get a drive that will soon be VERY easy to hack.
Soon the Benq drive will be the most wanted drive of them all.
QUOTE(jordo2k1 @ Oct 21 2007, 02:01 PM)
dude i hate to piss on ur ego here but this drive is real.
i just cracked open a new xbox 360 which im meant to be doing firmware on and wham guess what i find inside?
a philips&benq drive model# vad6038
manufacture date september 2007
hww ver j-da1a4
fw ver 64930c
i also noticed that theres a new heat pipe attached to the gpu cooler and it leads to a smaller heatsink which is raised above some moffsets which are close to the cpu cooler.
definatly a new drive and cooling sollution from ms!
hmm, this is old news buddy. This whole thread is about that drive you are talking about. We all have that drive. And the new heat sink you are talking about has been around for a few months now.
Post by: Ranger72 on October 21, 2007, 12:31:00 PM
QUOTE(jordo2k1 @ Oct 21 2007, 08:03 PM)
i know !!!
but the post of mine was purely for nuke or what his name is.
ive known about these drives for ages and been constantly on forums convincing people like nuke that there out there.
most of the post was sarcasim,sorry if u didnt get that tho.
peace
lol thats ok. I just didn't know there was anybody left that didn't know these drives are around.