Post by: Xbox-Scene on May 20, 2006, 11:23:00 AM
Posted by: Xbox-Scene May 20 2006, 06:23 PM
SS.bin Confusion-- Posted by XanTium on May 20 12:47 EST
From http://www.team-xecuter.com/gt-News.file.article.sid.229.html?CMSSESSID=d142ef0cbc28dc8af274836038cf2ace:
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It seems many people are having issues when they are trying to boot their games with SS (Security Sector) files that they have downloaded.
I think we may have spotted the problem. let's take an example - Call of Duty 2.
We checked every single version of the ss.bin for COD2 NTSC/U and each and every one has the same MD5 884E8BA44329D133973289A0CD8C8374. However when checking the PAL version we found 3 different versions (so far !)
DF77CCA54F575225DF6C07DF459A8652, 510A6C63D95CB26B072D5C214D207DC8 and 2F66E72B3E3A2895AB883628749C778B
So our guess is that their are different versions of game for PAL countries (Probably UK, Euro/Multi language & Australia).
This would definatley explain why many PAL users are having issues. Someone needs to start a database of which ss goes with which iso - best to have MD5's of both so it helps people from tearing their hair out and wasting money on expensive dual layer discs.
Post by: Bassie Von Adriaan on May 20, 2006, 10:35:00 AM
Post by: verboten on May 20, 2006, 11:39:00 AM
Post by: isoheppi on May 20, 2006, 11:09:00 AM
QUOTE(verboten @ May 20 2006, 08:10 PM) 
What is the position on the SS files. Are they illegeal to post? The only place I have seen them so far are the usenet and there are still a few (NTSC) that I can't fine.
what and where is usenet ?
Post by: verboten on May 20, 2006, 11:11:00 AM
QUOTE(isoheppi @ May 20 2006, 06:16 PM)
what and where is usenet ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
Post by: memturbo on May 20, 2006, 11:59:00 AM
What we need is the name of the game, the team that released it, the appropriate ss.bin ,and the correct
program to add the ss.bin .
Then we need the list seperate for each team release and region.
Example:
USA :RADIAN
ISO:Call_of_Duty_2_USA_XBOX360-RADIAN
SS.BIN /File name of downloaded SS.BIN: myssbin.zip
PROGRAM TO COMBINE SS.BIN : ss.bincombiner.exe
Post by: KILLplaystation on May 20, 2006, 01:03:00 PM
Post by: Joergen on May 20, 2006, 01:03:00 PM
Post by: Angerwound on May 20, 2006, 02:07:00 PM
Post by: Joergen on May 20, 2006, 02:29:00 PM
Please do not automatically assume we are talking about something else. And soon enough the OTHER people will not even be asking for SS' because they will be pre-in-cluded in the the stuff they so want, but I will still be here looking for the easier way to backup my games.
Post by: FreshOuttaMaps on May 20, 2006, 03:51:00 PM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ May 20 2006, 02:38 PM) 
Security Sectors are tied to the XBE/XEX they plan to boot. Therefore, PAL users will encounter many numerous versions of the SS's. NTSC may even have a few depending upon if updates for that game have been released and were in-cluded in later presses of the game. Best bet is to rip your own SS's or simply not download them from archives unless your getting the game image with it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Good point. Hasn't there been a re-release of Oblivion already, to change the encoded ESRB rating to Mature? I don't know if there has been any others so far at least for North America. I think there was a wrestling game for NSTC-J that was re-released in the first few days of the Japanese launch because it was corrupting hard drives or something.
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on May 20, 2006, 04:03:00 PM
is getting the SS difficult? or is this just a thread to help people pirate? im confused.
QUOTE(Joergen @ May 20 2006, 03:00 PM)
But, if there WERE a well-organised SS archive available, we could use wxripper to backup the disc while keeping the 360 closed and shut in the livingroom where it is supposed to be.
im kinda newb on ripping 360 games, but am i to assume we need to have th actual 360 DVD drive connected to the computer to get the SS?
Post by: FreshOuttaMaps on May 20, 2006, 04:50:00 PM
QUOTE(ILLusions0fGrander @ May 20 2006, 05:10 PM)
is getting the SS difficult? or is this just a thread to help people pirate? im confused.
You have to reflash your 360 drive to the xtrm0800 firmware in order to be able to rip the security sector. If you're using the wxripper method to rip games (or downloading scene releases), then obtaining a ss file from the net can keep you from having to take apart your 360 again.
This post has been edited by FreshOuttaMaps: May 20 2006, 11:51 PM
Post by: majik655 on May 20, 2006, 04:14:00 PM
QUOTE(ILLusions0fGrander @ May 20 2006, 03:10 PM)
so if you can extract your own legit SS from the game you rip, why is there a discussion on acquiring different ones from the internet?
is getting the SS difficult? or is this just a thread to help people pirate? im confused.
im kinda newb on ripping 360 games, but am i to assume we need to have th actual 360 DVD drive connected to the computer to get the SS?
yes currently the only way to get the ss is to flash with xtreme0800.bin AND then use dvdinfopro to get ss.
Would be ALOT ALOT easier to be able to download them which I do not see why it would be illegal to do so.
Unless another way comes along.
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on May 20, 2006, 05:46:00 PM
Post by: jhonnypolak on May 20, 2006, 08:55:00 PM
e.g.
so far i have come across 2 "behaviours" of my xbox360
1) the tray status says "Reading..." and it just stays there like that
2) displays an Unrecognised disc message
im planning to finally dump my own iso and ss today, we'll see if it was a firmware issue or ss+iso issue for me... then i'll be able to shed some more light on the problem
Post by: FlexyZ on May 21, 2006, 02:22:00 AM
When I read my SS out from a PAL game, I don't allways get same SS back - same game
Post by: FatB0y on May 21, 2006, 03:17:00 AM
QUOTE(FlexyZ @ May 21 2006, 02:53 AM)
Hi
When I read my SS out from a PAL game, I don't allways get same SS back - same game
well, part of the SS is the response to challenge type 5 & 7 which are timing challenges. People extracting SS's from the same disc have found that these reponses can differ by 1 bit. The hashes of the SS will be different even though both would work and are from the same disc - however the mission is to show which ss files work and do not work - so this wouldnt make much difference.
QUOTE(jhonnypolak @ May 20 2006, 09:26 PM)
also what would be usefull if users knew what kind of symptoms mean the ss and iso are mismatched
e.g.
so far i have come across 2 "behaviours" of my xbox360
1) the tray status says "Reading..." and it just stays there like that
2) displays an Unrecognised disc message
im planning to finally dump my own iso and ss today, we'll see if it was a firmware issue or ss+iso issue for me... then i'll be able to shed some more light on the problem
it just doesn't work. full stop. end of story. no need for any list of behaviours.
QUOTE(ILLusions0fGrander @ May 20 2006, 06:17 PM)
ah, i see then how useful a database of these security sectors could be.
EVERYTHING you need is listed in the team-xecuter.com link i posted earlier in this thread
Post by: Chancer on May 21, 2006, 03:38:00 AM
QUOTE(FatB0y @ May 21 2006, 10:24 AM)
well, part of the SS is the response to challenge type 5 & 7 which are timing challenges. People extracting SS's from the same disc have found that these reponses can differ by 1 bit. The hashes of the SS will be different even though both would work and are from the same disc - however the mission is to show which ss files work and do not work - so this wouldnt make much difference.
it just doesn't work. full stop. end of story. no need for any list of behaviours.
EVERYTHING you need is listed in the team-xecuter.com link i posted earlier in this thread
As I see it the SS list is not legal to post as its linking to what is copyright code after all. Downloading part of something extracted from a game is still piracy.
By the way FatB0y when you get banned from here as LamerHunter don't bother making new accounts it's so obvious.
Links to the list will be removed now don't post them again. If you feel this is incorrect take it up with HSD he has the final rule on this issue.
Post by: jhonnypolak on May 21, 2006, 06:35:00 PM
Another behaviour i've noticed is that the DVD drive reads the disc... and after the "reading...." status it goes back to "Open Tray" yet the tray is closed and the disc is not reading.
It would be good to straighten out these "behaviours" because then we'll know what we're doing wrong...
For example...
If the status says: "Reading..." and does not get past this point then the burn is bad
If the game starts and then displays "Unrecognised disc" means its a mismatch between ISO and SS
If the status says: "Open tray" yet the disc is in the drive but not being read it means its a bad burn
it would be good to have a collection of those, coz it can get a little frustrating trying to get these backups going.... especially with 6$AUD per DVD+RW it does get costly. I already wasted 7 DVD+RW's and have only managed to burn 5 discs succesfully.
Post by: Wolves on May 21, 2006, 06:11:00 PM
QUOTE(verboten @ May 20 2006, 11:10 AM)
What is the position on the SS files. Are they illegeal to post? The only place I have seen them so far are the usenet and there are still a few (NTSC) that I can't fine.
Well, they involve backups, which involve piracy.
Post by: mihalich on May 22, 2006, 02:08:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on May 22, 2006, 02:42:00 AM
QUOTE(mihalich @ May 22 2006, 08:39 AM)
Posting SS is illegal but what about list of SS md5 checksums?
This would likely be stopped as well just like the posting of NFO files were
Post by: HSDEMONZ on May 22, 2006, 05:53:00 PM
Open your shit up, make your own files.. backup your own games.
Post by: ripper22 on May 27, 2006, 02:09:00 AM
Post by: sh1tty on June 15, 2006, 01:28:00 AM
hf (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Post by: drumow on June 23, 2006, 08:43:00 AM
2.Clean the disk with a soft cloth
3. restart the console
Does this have to do with the ss
Post by: ps2martin on January 13, 2007, 03:15:00 AM
I have a related question but the other way round: extracting the iso itself doesnt work for me, it goes so slow that after a whole hour its only at 2% ripping. (at best) I have succesfully extracted the ss.bin however. So would it work the other way round? To use my own ss.bin on a random PAL iso, even if that iso originaly had another ss?
I find it strange though that my ripping is so slow, since I have a Atlon 3200 PC.