Post by: Xbox-Scene on May 14, 2006, 10:32:00 PM
TS-H943 DVD Firmware Hack for Xbox 360 Out in the Wild-- Posted by XanTium on May 14 23:56 EST
Commodore4Eva, who already released a working modified Xbox1 DVD firmware some weeks ago, now released a firmware for the Xbox 360. The release has already been tested by SniperKilla and Arakon and seems to be working fine.
The modified DVD firmware has been released for the Toshiba-Samsung H943 Xbox 360 DVD drive. Just like Commodore4Eva's modified Xbox1 FW, it will need raw/unmodified dumps (of same region as your console if game is region locked), some patching (security sector on ISO and DVD drive key on firmware), DVD+DL (yes double layers!) recordable discs and a DVD burner that allows to put DVD+R DL booktype to DVDRom to work. This release comes with tools to make this all as easy as possible. Also included is a 2nd firmware that will allow you to extract the security sector (what you have to patch on the raw ISO) from an original discs with your TS-H943 drive connected to a PC.
Of course ... try all this at own risk. Your warranty will be broken, it's certainly possible to break your Xbox 360 if you don't know what you are doing. Chances are also high MS will very fast find a method to detect this firmware via LIVE.
From the readme/xboxhacker.net:
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Xtreme firmware for TS-H943 Xbox 360
Here it is, the long awaited World first Xbox 360 backup firmware modification to boot all game backups!
Features
* Boots all Xtreme Xbox 360 backups
* Boots all Xtreme Xbox 1 backups
* Boots all Xbox 360 originals
* Boots all Xbox 1 originals on Xbox 360
* Xtreme0800 extraction firmware enables drive to function natively under Windows without any hardware conversion/adaptors
* Use on Xbox Live at own risk
Technical details
* Reads Xbox 360 security sector from PSN 04FB1F (Layer 0)
* Reads Xbox 1 security sector from PSN 605FF (Layer 0)
* Security sector must be extrated using Xtreme0800 360 firmware for Xbox360 games and Xbox 1 games
* Will not boot Xbox 1 backups made with Xbox1 605b 0800 firmware (maybe in future release)
Flashing your drive
Advisable to make a backup of your dvd drive firmware first ("mtkflash r /m orig.bin"). Please make sure you hexedit the Xtreme.bin firmware (not Xtrm0800.bin firmware) to include your dvd drive key from your original firmware (usually at $4000-4200).
Plug SATA cable from DVD drive to PC. Power cable drive still connected to Xbox 360 Power on Xbox 360 Power on PC Boot with standard dos boot disk with included mtkflash utility.
Run "mtkflash w /m firmwarename.bin" with relevant firmware file (Xtreme.bin for running backups or Xtrm0800.bin for security sector extraction)
Extracting Security Sector
Ensure DVD drive has been flashed with Xtrm0800.bin firmware. Drive can now work under Windows.
Insert original game disk into drive and wait for windows to detect disk change.
Run DVDinfoPro.
Enter the following four custom cdb commands:
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 08 00 01 C0
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 08 00 03 C0
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 08 00 05 C0
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 08 00 07 C0
Then save hexadecimal display as bin file as SS.bin
Creating a game backup
Ensure DVD drive has been flashed with Xtrm0800.bin firmware. Drive can now work under Windows.
Extract Isobuilder.rar
Insert original game disk into drive and wait for windows to detect disk change
Run DVDinfoPro
Enter the following custom cdb command to unlock drive: (game data visable)
FF 08 01 01
Run Isobuster
Right click on DVD and select Extract From-To
Click Length and enter number of LBAs as follows:
Xbox 1 Original Number of LBA to read 3431264 decimal
or
Xbox 360 Original Number of LBA to read 3567872 decimal
Select User Data (2048 bytes/block)
Click Start Extraction
Enter filename as game.iso and click Save
Upon read error dialogue box choose fill with blank zeros for sector and select use this selection for all errors
Copy game.iso and ss.bin to the relevent isobuilder directory (Depending on Xbox 360 or Xbox 1 game)
Run build360.bat (Xbox 360 game) or build.bat (xbox 1 game)
Ensure your burner will set the booktype of DVD+R DL to DVDRom
Burn with CloneCd and choose the image.dvd file
Thanks to everyone at Xboxhacker.net for all their discussions. Now you guys will have to get homebrew running.
Next on the list will be the PS3 and this one will be done much quicker (once it comes out!)
DVD Firmware Hack?
The hack is a modified firmware of the Xbox 360 Toshiba-Samsung TS-H943 DVD-ROM drive. It will ONLY work on that drive - the Hitachi-LG drives will need their own modified firmware).
It's easy to find out what drive your Xbox 360 has (no need to void warranty) ... just open the DVD tray and compare to the image below:
All Xbox 360 executables (XEX containers files) are signed by Microsoft (with a private key only MS has). This means that if you try to change anything to the XEX file, the signature will be wrong and the file will not boot.
To protect from booting raw/unmodified copies of a game from a DVD-R or other recordable media, microsoft gave each XEX file a 'mediaflag'. This mediaflag tells the Xbox 360 from which media (cd-r, dvd-r, dvd+r, dvd-rw, hdd, dvdxbox, dvdxbox360, ...) the XEX is allowed to boot. Changing this mediaflag in the XEX is not an option as it'll break the signature of the file (see above), so ... what's done in this firmware hack is 'break' the detection of the disc.
Retail 360 games usually get a mediaflag where they only allow 'DVDXBOX360' (Xbox 360 discs - different than a normal DVD because they have some specific bad sectors and special info in lead-in/out that can't be written with a standard dvd burner). The modified firmware will trick the DVD drive into reporting a DVD-R (or other) as a 'DVDXBOX(360)' to the Xbox 360.
In short what you have to do (detailed instructions on 'how to' are above in the quoted readme): open xbox 360, leave DVD power connected to Xbox 360 and connect SATA to your PC (on PCI-addon card or motherboard), boot PC with DOS floppy, run mtkflash to dump FW of drive, get your DVD key (guess you can use programs like KeyDrive Xtractor/Patcher(info) or KeyGen360(info) for that), patch the 'Xtreme firmware' (Xtreme.bin) with your DVD key then flash this FW back to your drive with mtkflash.
To make a working copied disc: To start you'll need the exact security sectors (SS) of your game (it's different for each game!). To get this you'll need to flash your TS-H943 drive with the Xtrm0800.bin FW, using a DOS floppy and mtkflash (like described above, except that Xtrm0800.bin does not have to be hexedited with your DVD key). With this firmware Windows will detect the DVD drive and usign DVDinfoPro you can extract the security sectors (SS) from the orignal Xbox 360 disc (exact instructions/commands in readme).
When you have the SS you need to make a raw copy of the disc. Because with the Xtrm0800.bin FW the TS-H943 drive will be detected in Windows you can use Isobuilder to raw dump discs (with DVDinfoPro you can unlock drive to read Xbox 360 discs, see instructions in readme quoted above). You can also use the hot-swap method with wxRipper(info) to make the raw dump with a normal PC DVD drive. Once you have the image you'll have to patch it with the SS (simple .bat file included with release to make this easy - see readme).
Burn this iso with CloneCd on a DVD+R DL and with booktype of DVD+R DL set to DVDRom (not all burners support this) and use the image.dvd file included in the release to burn.
Some points:
* Because executables also get a regionflag, this modified DVD firmware will not allow you to boot region-locked games (changing region of game would require modifying the XEX file which would break the signature). So if a game is region-locked it MUST match the region of your console to work.
* For the same reason it will not run homebrew code, it's not signed with the MS key, so it won't run. However this hack could help find an exploit in software, who knowns ;)
* This firmware release requires dual-layer discs, it will not work with simple DVD+-R discs because the patched security section must be present on the 2nd layer. Maybe something for future versions?
* You will have to open your Xbox 360 (to get DVD drive out so you can connect it to a PC) and thus void the warranty.
* Thanks to the modified version of mtkflash included with this release you'll be able to dump the drive firmware and flash it easily from a PC with SATA ports (either on motherboard or with an PCI addon-card) booted with a DOS floppy (not sure if it'll work with all SATA chipsets. The Sil3112 chipset apparently doesn't with with mtkflash. It does not work with SATAtoUSB or toFireWire adapters either afaik).
* If you have a Hitachi-LG drive Xbox360 and you managed to get a Toshiba-Samsung drive you can theoretically swap the drive in your Xbox 360 as long as you first retreive the unique DVD key from the firmware of your Hitachi-LG drive (mtkflash doesn't work with the Hitachi-LG, but there are other methods for this drive) and patch that key on the firmware of the Toshiba-Samsung drive. Brand of DVD doesn't matter, but if DVD key is wrong your Xbox 360 will not work.
* Can Microsoft detect it via Xbox LIVE? They probably can ... and when they start checking they will probably act like with the Xbox1, ban your Xbox 360 console serial for life from the LIVE servers ... or maybe even more, who knows what they are planning. You've been warned!
* Burning at high-speed seems to make loading slower (or stutter game), but at the basic 2.4x speed for DVD+R DL discs, they play OK on an Xbox 360.
Download: n/a (firmware contains copyrighted code and might be illegal under DMCA/EUCD - don't ask for it and don't link to it from our site, thx)
News-Source: xboxhacker.net forums
Post by: CattyKid on May 14, 2006, 09:41:00 PM
Who wants to bet adapters to do this (yeah, you mod chip makers, expecially Team Xecuter) will VERY soon release their adapters to make this possible, since they do not have to release this themselves? Or maybe they did, under another alias?
I think this is the official "kick-off," if you will, of the rush to mod the 360 for unsigned content.
This post has been edited by CattyKid: May 15 2006, 04:43 AM
Post by: splattered on May 14, 2006, 09:45:00 PM
All i really want is for it to play xbmc (xvid/divx etc) and emulators, and then i can retire my xbox 1!
Post by: kickinazz on May 14, 2006, 09:46:00 PM
Post by: chr0ma on May 14, 2006, 09:48:00 PM
Now if we could just keep it on the downlow instead of sites like this giving the world a play by play. Now all you loser MS spies (YES WE KNOW YOUR HERE YOU SCUM SUCKERS) now you can go back and cry to your bosses and get something in your next pityful dashboard update to combat it!!!
Post by: BlueCop on May 14, 2006, 09:50:00 PM
=)
Post by: Heet on May 14, 2006, 09:16:00 PM
Commodore4Eva
Post by: Reaper527 on May 14, 2006, 09:52:00 PM
Post by: Foolio187 on May 14, 2006, 09:53:00 PM
And so it begins
Post by: xboxhackern00b on May 14, 2006, 09:55:00 PM
Post by: TexT on May 14, 2006, 09:59:00 PM
Post by: Ryanlash on May 14, 2006, 10:01:00 PM
Post by: yankefish on May 14, 2006, 10:03:00 PM
anybody know of any modders who r doing this yet, havent seem any in the mod forum on XBS
Post by: TexT on May 14, 2006, 10:09:00 PM
Games not hackable = worthles system hack.
Post by: chr0ma on May 14, 2006, 09:35:00 PM
QUOTE(TexT @ May 15 2006, 04:40 AM) 
This hack is worthless and unless they can crack the game encryption this means nothing. All future games will have code to fix the hack, so that means games that launch in a month or 2 will break the hack.
Games not hackable = worthles system hack.
They in-cluded info for patching the ISO's.. So it's far from worthless.. Just give it a couple weeks and we will see fully playable ISO's for this hack if anyone doesn't want to patch them themselves.
Post by: Niqanx on May 14, 2006, 10:14:00 PM
I was only aware of the misreporting of the dvd media with this hack, not as to whether it allows any region game.
Can anyone confirm this claim of "All Xbox 360 Backups"?
(I presume also when they claim that "All Xbox 1 Backups" work, they mean only the current emulated games and only for your systems region???).....right?
Post by: yankefish on May 14, 2006, 10:15:00 PM
Post by: draken333 on May 14, 2006, 09:41:00 PM
QUOTE(yankefish @ May 14 2006, 08:34 PM)
Sounds real good, the encrption hasn't beenbroke yet, so if im right the iso on the net wont work.
anybody know of any modders who r doing this yet, havent seem any in the mod forum on XBS
So when you say the encryption of the isos havent been broken...does this mean any isos off the net wont boot, but you can still make your own isos from the tutorial supplied with this hack, and they will boot?
Post by: xzenor on May 14, 2006, 10:17:00 PM
Any word on the FW hack for the hitachi?XzeneR
Post by: yankefish on May 14, 2006, 10:21:00 PM
Post by: prominator on May 14, 2006, 10:21:00 PM
Post by: Tfizzle on May 14, 2006, 09:46:00 PM
QUOTE(prominator @ May 14 2006, 10:52 PM)
if they release this for the 360 whats holding them back on releasing the fw hack for xbox1?
umm its already been released.
Post by: j0ey on May 14, 2006, 10:22:00 PM
QUOTE(TexT @ May 15 2006, 04:40 AM) 
This hack is worthless and unless they can crack the game encryption this means nothing. All future games will have code to fix the hack, so that means games that launch in a month or 2 will break the hack.
Games not hackable = worthles system hack.
Just like the psp... right? =/
Hopefully MS will release something to block live signin with this mod.
It's a nice mod to have but... if youre paying $400 for the system whats another $30-35 a game (used)?????
Plus you factor in the limited amout of "good" games... it's hard to get excited.
Post by: TexT on May 14, 2006, 09:46:00 PM
QUOTE(chr0ma @ May 15 2006, 04:42 AM)
They in-cluded info for patching the ISO's.. So it's far from worthless.. Just give it a couple weeks and we will see fully playable ISO's for this hack if anyone doesn't want to patch them themselves.
By that time future games will have code to fix the hack, so that means games that launch in a month or 2 will break the hack.
Post by: Mekapo on May 14, 2006, 10:32:00 PM
Post by: yankefish on May 14, 2006, 10:33:00 PM
Post by: LepPpeR on May 14, 2006, 10:38:00 PM
Post by: THDVL on May 14, 2006, 10:39:00 PM
This post has been edited by THDVL: May 15 2006, 05:45 AM
Post by: TGD on May 14, 2006, 10:04:00 PM
QUOTE(yankefish @ May 14 2006, 11:04 PM)
same here xbmc with 512mb of ram, endless functions
Lets not forget the gpu and the three 3.2ghz cores lol....these ingredients would make a killer XBMC
QUOTE(THDVL @ May 14 2006, 11:10 PM)
I consider myself to be fairly intelligent.. but this seems to be ridiculously difficult task. Whats all this hex editing crap. I hate hexadecimal bs. Probably because I dont understand it. Anyway this is useless to me atm. I'm not about to go through all the headache that seems to be involved in this. I'd probably fuck up my drive anyway. Looks like I'll still be paying for my games for awhile..
Dont sweat it...it looks too tedious for me as well but rest assure, people will simplify all this very very soon with some homebrew windows apps to make this much more easier for the average person, give it a few weeks and it'll all be gravy
Post by: chr0ma on May 14, 2006, 10:11:00 PM
QUOTE(TexT @ May 15 2006, 04:53 AM)
By that time future games will have code to fix the hack, so that means games that launch in a month or 2 will break the hack.
Yup, you are definately right on there. It's going to be like the PSP, with a "cat and mouse" type of game. But I'm with most here that I'm more looking forward to homebrew(XMBC!) than games. If I can't use Live for a game then I don't want it and I don't think i would ever risk getting banned using this.
btw - to the other poster saying this is for the Samsung DVD, I believe this is for the Hitachi.
Post by: nwo504 on May 14, 2006, 10:47:00 PM
Post by: unspoiledpuma on May 14, 2006, 10:18:00 PM
QUOTE(celicagt1993 @ May 15 2006, 05:15 AM)
too bad i don't know the usuall places this is downloaded... and sorry mod for somewhat asking where to get it before you posted that.
No it's for the samsung!!!
Honnestly BIG surprise everyone was thinking that the Hitachi was easier!
Post by: CloakedHunter on May 14, 2006, 11:06:00 PM
This post has been edited by CloakedHunter: May 15 2006, 06:07 AM
Post by: anonsbox on May 14, 2006, 10:32:00 PM
QUOTE(CloakedHunter @ May 15 2006, 05:37 AM)
I'm just going to start counting the down the seconds until M$ throws a mass Xbox Live ban for all modified firmwares that are instantly detected.
instantly like.. they allready detected it because i just modded mine and its still going but they just haven't banned me yet instant?
keep counting.. i don't think they banned the xbox1 hack yet.. i bet they have their thumbs so far up their asses due to the post e3 hang over.. they could care less.. and i'm curious if they can even detect this firmware change..
Post by: CloakedHunter on May 14, 2006, 10:36:00 PM
QUOTE(anonsbox @ May 14 2006, 10:39 PM)
instantly like.. they allready detected it because i just modded mine and its still going but they just haven't banned me yet instant?
keep counting.. i don't think they banned the xbox1 hack yet.. i bet they have their thumbs so far up their asses due to the post e3 hang over.. they could care less.. and i'm curious if they can even detect this firmware change..
Instantly detected, not instantly banned. I'm just saying it obviously isn't going to take M$ long to stop it. Then, another modified hack will come out... and another fix from M$. We'll see what happens...
Post by: sgr215 on May 14, 2006, 11:13:00 PM
Post by: Magixx on May 14, 2006, 11:14:00 PM
Also do we need to use DVD+R DL or can we use Normal DVD-R For games such as Full Auto or games we remove extra languages and video from? Also will the Kiosk ISO that was going around some time ago work now?
Someone needs to make a noob friendly guide for people like me.
Please dont Flame.
Post by: babbooloo on May 14, 2006, 10:40:00 PM
QUOTE(CloakedHunter @ May 15 2006, 12:43 AM)
Instantly detected, not instantly banned. I'm just saying it obviously isn't going to take M$ long to stop it. Then, another modified hack will come out... and another fix from M$. We'll see what happens...
ahhh yes lets spend the time detecting it but not do anything, sounds like the M$ motto. Do you work for them?
Post by: beerp0ng on May 14, 2006, 11:17:00 PM
u guys got some techinal shit u can teach me because the info u are spewing is making me feeling like a total Noob
i want to play Backups on the Xbox 360 but people say secuirty shit ?? encrypted ? wtf ? in the N F O it says i can play all backups
Teach me please
Post by: CloakedHunter on May 14, 2006, 10:42:00 PM
QUOTE(babbooloo @ May 14 2006, 10:47 PM)
ahhh yes lets spend the time detecting it but not do anything, sounds like the M$ motto. Do you work for them?
No, but I've had my share of fun recovering people from previous bans:
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=299557
Post by: appleguru on May 14, 2006, 11:22:00 PM
Post by: celicagt1993 on May 14, 2006, 11:29:00 PM
now, to answer my own question... we at xboxscene.com will not help distribute/so on and so forth with items that is either copywritted/protected/or used for other purposes besides for things that are legal...
please don't ban me for this, i just wanted to make a point.
Post by: CloakedHunter on May 14, 2006, 11:30:00 PM
Post by: Xplic1T on May 14, 2006, 11:30:00 PM
I believe m$ is not as stupid as many people think but i dont think they put in too many backdoors in the 360. I believe they can check to see the current type of firmware used and then possibly do a reflash or a ban right there so the only safest solution would be to trick live into thinking your not using modified firmware.
I believe the check wont be made in firmware itself but the game.
But there is a dump of the origional firmware that you still hopefully have on your system.
If we extract these codes and then run the game on the old firmware with the game currently patched it would be safest right now.
But yes e3 is over so they are still sleeping it off at M$.
So happy patching people, i am confident that there will be easier ways to do this exploit within the month.
Post by: unspoiledpuma on May 14, 2006, 10:58:00 PM
QUOTE(sgr215 @ May 15 2006, 05:44 AM)
Good to see it in the wild! I'm sure xbox live banning will begin shortly. Not to mention unforseen problems with the firmware itself. For those reasons i'll probably wait and see how it all plays out before flashing my drive. Either way, pretty awesome indeed! Now if only we had homebrew.
Nah it has to have a RAW dump because the hack do not bypass the file structure but only the media flag. The media flag is something that tell the xbox 360 if it's a dvd , a xbox game. xbox 360 game,etc. The firmware made the conversion of dvdr to dvdxbox360 (something like this) so you have to use raw dump and inject cprrectly the SS files into the iso you want to burn.
Post by: unspoiledpuma on May 14, 2006, 11:03:00 PM
http://arakon.dyndns.org/backup.html
good luck!
Post by: dmitri on May 14, 2006, 11:40:00 PM
Even with Xbox 1, M$ changed the security on newer games, until the patcher was upgraded to patch the new scheme.
I don't know if it's good or bad that a lot of pirates are too lazy or too stupid to go through a step-by-step guide..
-dp
Post by: anonsbox on May 14, 2006, 11:04:00 PM
QUOTE(babbooloo @ May 15 2006, 06:07 AM)
So i cant post ive got the goodies but he can..id like to brag that i have it also..whats so wrong.
[edit by AG] What's wrong is you posting useless crap (Like one line posts that say "I've got the goodies") that doesn't contribute to this thread at all. [/edit]
no no.. i think i got the hang of this.. you need to in-clude some informative information in your post.. to help the noobs h4x0r their drives.. but not too informative as to let them go and download the tools necessary.. or even talk about said tools too much in detail.. so basically.. if you flash your drive with the one firmware.. you can get the information to make an ss.bin file... after that.. you can inject all the raw dumps.. you just happan to have.. form PI and other groups.. (you prolly used kazaa and BT didn't you, i know.. it'll be ok) or you can make one of these images.. as described in the insturctions.. use their little .bat tool to burn the image on a dvd dl.. and poof.. you're set
Post by: BlueCop on May 14, 2006, 11:04:00 PM
QUOTE(unspoiledpuma @ May 15 2006, 06:10 AM)
for peeps who dont know how to inject the SS and compile the iso heres a great tutorial:
http://arakon.dyndns.org/backup.html
good luck!
that tutorial does not apply to this hack.
Post by: Niqanx on May 14, 2006, 11:45:00 PM
Can someone who has tried this confirm or disprove that ALL backups work? Regardless of region?
I suspect that they cant, but before I hack my Jap system, I'd like to know. If indeed they cant, people should realise the importance of region before attempting to download game torrents. This isn't like a mod chip. If you're still region locked with this hack, you'd better be sure of what region you're downloading or it's "currently" a waste of time.
Peace out.
(PS, if M$ thought that the firmware was a vulnerability, wouldn't they have signed it? They may indeed not be able to detect it...)
Post by: majik655 on May 14, 2006, 11:45:00 PM
I know there are tools for this for the orginal xbox samsung correct?
They say.. usually at $4000-4200 just wondering what the name of a tool would be to pull and maybe insert this for you without manually doing the hex editing?
Thanks
QUOTE
Can someone who has tried this confirm or disprove that ALL backups work? Regardless of region?
The region of backup HAS TO MATCH THE REGION OF CONSOLE!
no one will be able to PROVE ALL backups work because the
firmware was just released.. give it time soon we will no if SOME games do not work.
This post has been edited by majik655: May 15 2006, 06:48 AM
Post by: unspoiledpuma on May 14, 2006, 11:11:00 PM
QUOTE(anonsbox @ May 15 2006, 06:11 AM)
no no.. i think i got the hang of this.. you need to in-clude some informative information in your post.. to help the noobs h4x0r their drives.. but not too informative as to let them go and download the tools necessary.. or even talk about said tools too much in detail.. so basically.. if you flash your drive with the one firmware.. you can get the information to make an ss.bin file... after that.. you can inject all the raw dumps.. you just happan to have.. form PI and other groups.. (you prolly used kazaa and BT didn't you, i know.. it'll be ok) or you can make one of these images.. as described in the insturctions.. use their little .bat tool to burn the image on a dvd dl.. and poof.. you're set
Affirmative Blue!! Sorry my mistake i didnt read it
the correct tutorial is in-cluded in the readme files with the firmware. Btw Blue with all the knowledge and your skills do you think with this release it will be more easier to hack the Hitachi-LG drive with all the debug command in-cluded in the original firmware and the new hacked firmware? Personally im not an expert as you are but can we exept something soon??
Post by: appleguru on May 14, 2006, 11:14:00 PM
QUOTE(celicagt1993 @ May 15 2006, 01:00 AM)
you know, I do have to ask one thing (then later answer it)... if we can't share the links to this firmware, then why post it in the forums for people to descuss?
This thread is here to discuss everything about this news release except where and how to get the file... Things like, as a few examples, the impact this may have on xbox live or future security enhancements to the xbox 360.
Post by: The Zep Man on May 15, 2006, 12:04:00 AM
The only good thing is that you can play backups of your original discs after a lot of work/modding. Nothing more, nothing less. No homebrew code or copying games to a HDD so they can be played much faster. This is only interesting for pirates and people who are very desperate to backup their games.
Anyway, time for the next (more important) stage of Xbox 360 modding: homebrew code!
Post by: nachomans on May 15, 2006, 12:10:00 AM
This post has been edited by nachomans: May 15 2006, 07:11 AM
Post by: BlueCop on May 15, 2006, 12:11:00 AM
nachomans: not all games are region free. its up to the developer
This post has been edited by BlueCop: May 15 2006, 07:14 AM
Post by: AbRASiON on May 15, 2006, 12:13:00 AM
I'm going to guess - IF they don't fix future X360 games, and we never connect to live again - it'll last forever?
Post by: CloakedHunter on May 14, 2006, 11:38:00 PM
QUOTE(The Zep Man @ May 14 2006, 11:35 PM)
In my opinion it's pretty useless, although a nice first start.
The only good thing is that you can play backups of your original discs after a lot of work/modding. Nothing more, nothing less. No homebrew code or copying games to a HDD so they can be played much faster. This is only interesting for pirates and people who are very desperate to backup their games.
Anyway, time for the next (more important) stage of Xbox 360 modding: homebrew code!
Very true. Is it just me, or did all of the posting come to an end? Well, I'll definitely be checking back regularly for that Hitachi firmware. Props and good luck to the moderators on keeping this thread clean. It seems like a rather stressful task. The Scene moves forward--unstoppable as it is.
Post by: ZakMcRofl on May 14, 2006, 11:39:00 PM
QUOTE(The Zep Man @ May 15 2006, 07:35 AM)
In my opinion it's pretty useless, although a nice first start.
The only good thing is that you can play backups of your original discs after a lot of work/modding. Nothing more, nothing less. No homebrew code or copying games to a HDD so they can be played much faster. This is only interesting for pirates and people who are very desperate to backup their games.
Anyway, time for the next (more important) stage of Xbox 360 modding: homebrew code!
A lot of work? Are you kidding me? In a few days it will be as easy as
1) Attach drive to PC and run some kind of patcher (reads FW, applies hack, flashes hacked FW)
2) Download a pre-patched ISO.
I can't believe how some of the wannabe hackers are getting scared as soon as they see hex code.
Besides, this is far from useless, it opens LOTS of doors for further investigation. We only need one game that has exploitable code and we'll be "in".
Thanks you for this awesome firmware, now where do I get a 360 with samsung drive
Post by: SniperKilla on May 15, 2006, 12:21:00 AM
Post by: DJ_L3ThAL on May 15, 2006, 12:22:00 AM
Post by: mtimmy on May 15, 2006, 12:24:00 AM
why don't you READ and SEARCH more before you ask this question.
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Post by: The Zep Man on May 14, 2006, 11:51:00 PM
QUOTE(ZakMcRofl @ May 15 2006, 07:46 AM)
A lot of work? Are you kidding me? In a few days it will be as easy as
1) Attach drive to PC and run some kind of patcher (reads FW, applies hack, flashes hacked FW)
2) Download a pre-patched ISO.
QUOTE
I can't believe how some of the wannabe hackers are getting scared as soon as they see hex code.
I hope you were not referring to me as a 'wannabe hacker'. However, most people do not know what to do with the given information and will make mistakes.QUOTE
Besides, this is far from useless, it opens LOTS of doors for further investigation. We only need one game that has exploitable code and we'll be "in".
Perhaps true, although I think that game-exploits will be found after a working real mod (modchip, etc.) has been created. This makes testing cost less.QUOTE
Thanks you for this awesome firmware, now where do I get a 360 with samsung drive
On eBay pretty soon, I guess. 
Post by: Pikkon on May 15, 2006, 12:28:00 AM
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Post by: BlueCop on May 15, 2006, 12:28:00 AM
i have done this as well as other people on xboxhacker
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Post by: DJ_L3ThAL on May 15, 2006, 12:33:00 AM
Post by: celicagt1993 on May 15, 2006, 12:35:00 AM
Post by: bigjimmy on May 15, 2006, 12:41:00 AM
I might wait a while till i do this to my 360 to see if ppl with modded firmware get banned from XBL.
Well im gunna keep a close eye to see how this develops...
Post by: nwo504 on May 15, 2006, 12:45:00 AM
Post by: hippo on May 15, 2006, 12:46:00 AM
Dunno about region I hear it doesn't work.
Post by: BlueCop on May 15, 2006, 12:51:00 AM
Post by: DJ_L3ThAL on May 15, 2006, 12:16:00 AM
QUOTE(hippo @ May 15 2006, 07:17 AM)
This works and you'll be able to switch between hacked and original firmware. At least mine does
Dunno about region I hear it doesn't work.
so you have flashed it up, and flashed it back with original firmware and all works sweet?
Post by: xboxexpert on May 15, 2006, 12:56:00 AM
-xboxexpert
Post by: javip on May 15, 2006, 12:56:00 AM
once hacked.. if they did do anything to recognize that the firmware's been changed.. couldn't u just change it back? or could they infact know that it's been changed in the first place at some point in time and ban ppl from XBL etc
Post by: hippo on May 15, 2006, 12:57:00 AM
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Post by: DJ_L3ThAL on May 15, 2006, 12:23:00 AM
QUOTE(javip @ May 15 2006, 07:27 AM)
that's what i would like to know too..
once hacked.. if they did do anything to recognize that the firmware's been changed.. couldn't u just change it back? or could they infact know that it's been changed in the first place at some point in time and ban ppl from XBL etc
unless u have previously been 'caught' with a modded firmware i think itd be safe to bet they would have no idea if say you took your 360 offline, flashed it, had some fun, then flashed it back to original firmware and went on live.. but that is saying without any technical backup, hopefully someone can confirm this?
Post by: Vampirtc on May 15, 2006, 01:11:00 AM
QUOTE(DJ_L3ThAL @ May 15 2006, 08:30 AM)
unless u have previously been 'caught' with a modded firmware i think itd be safe to bet they would have no idea if say you took your 360 offline, flashed it, had some fun, then flashed it back to original firmware and went on live.. but that is saying without any technical backup, hopefully someone can confirm this?
They will ban your console ID like they recognize when you first connect your Premium X360 to Live you get one month free. So no repatching will help, well unless its possible to change console ID, but I doubt it.
So stay away from Live, since they had 2 months prenotice that its comming and I wouldn't be surprised that they are already collecting consoles IDs with hacked FW and will ban after they get a worthy number.
Post by: BlueCop on May 15, 2006, 01:12:00 AM
Post by: javip on May 15, 2006, 01:20:00 AM
for me no XBL would be a huge reason not to even try this
i thought most people would feel the same.. are there a lot of people who aren't concerned about not being able to use XBL?
Post by: PGR360 on May 15, 2006, 12:46:00 AM
Post by: clogicgmather on May 15, 2006, 01:23:00 AM
Post by: stezo2k on May 15, 2006, 01:27:00 AM
Post by: DJ_L3ThAL on May 15, 2006, 01:13:00 AM
QUOTE(stezo2k @ May 15 2006, 05:58 PM)
It mentions DVDR+DL discs, does that mean it won't work with DVD-Rs? Great news btw
yea it says only works with dual layer, lucky the price has recetly dropped drastically here in aus, 50pks work out to $6/disc i believe
Post by: Muzzakus on May 15, 2006, 01:55:00 AM
QUOTE(DJ_L3ThAL @ May 15 2006, 07:20 AM)
yea it says only works with dual layer, lucky the price has recetly dropped drastically here in aus, 50pks work out to $6/disc i believe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Commodore4eva hacked the original xbox Samsung drive and required DL discs. THe SPecialist hacked the Hitachi drive and Single layer discs were good enough.. Curious to see if it ends up the same for the 360. I have Hitachi - so annoyed I can't hack now. But if Single Layer becomes a reality - it wil be worth the wait.
Post by: guvna on May 15, 2006, 01:59:00 AM
However, I thought that in order for someone to knock up a working version, you need a development kit.
Does anyone actually possess one of these for the 360 yet, or is this still locked away in bill's safe.
I know that you can't run homebrew yet, but still, the dev kit has gotta be worth a look in.
Post by: Martinchris23 on May 15, 2006, 02:05:00 AM
It's not hard for them to security hash a firmware file and store it somewhere on the 360. Lets say it's sitting there on your 360 right now. All MS have to do is store a check program in future game xex files and you'll instantly be stopped from playing them. Forget about Live - you won't even boot it up. Both the hash file and the check program would be stored in signed code, preventing any tampering. Current games will still work but any new titles will be unplayable.
Martin
Post by: javip on May 15, 2006, 02:05:00 AM
just hook up media centre!
u can access tv, ALL ur music, videos.. pictures
unless there's something more it does that i'm not aware of?
i think maybe running games off the hdd is what people are wanting when they talk about xbmc... ?
Post by: hey69 on May 15, 2006, 01:40:00 AM
QUOTE(javip @ May 15 2006, 08:36 AM)
i'm confused about people wanting xbmc on xbox 360
just hook up media centre!
u can access tv, ALL ur music, videos.. pictures
unless there's something more it does that i'm not aware of?
i think maybe running games off the hdd is what people are wanting when they talk about xbmc... ?
maybe people dont want their PC up and running 24/h a day to acces their media?
maybe people dont have windows xp mediacenter edition?
Post by: nwo504 on May 15, 2006, 01:41:00 AM
Post by: AbRASiON on May 15, 2006, 01:42:00 AM
QUOTE(DJ_L3ThAL @ May 15 2006, 08:20 AM)
yea it says only works with dual layer, lucky the price has recetly dropped drastically here in aus, 50pks work out to $6/disc i believe
I wouldn't say that's even remotely cheap.
When they are sub 2$ AUD it's cheap.
Post by: javip on May 15, 2006, 02:31:00 AM
QUOTE(hey69 @ May 15 2006, 03:47 PM)
maybe people dont want their PC up and running 24/h a day to acces their media?
maybe people dont have windows xp mediacenter edition?
maybe =)
but lets face it, anyone here wanting to completely mod their xbox to the extent of having xbmc on it, knows how to get media centre for $0.. and r geeky enough to have decent computers running 24/7
if u want xbmc to access ur media anytime, makes more sense to have it in one location.. than storing it on ur xbox also..............
QUOTE(nwo504 @ May 15 2006, 03:48 PM)
360's media center is crap(to the highest possible level) compared to xbmc
that's not true, if u think so it's because u haven't got media centre setup properly.. or u just haven't used it..
coz i've used both daily
having ONE pc setup with all ur files and then accessing them all through mce .. vs the complications (and having to wait for it to happen!) of running xbmc? ur kidding right?
not to mention that u can't watch tv through xbmc (recorded shows, pausing live tv etc etc)
anyway don't reply people, it's not the right forum, lets talk about firmware hack =)
This post has been edited by javip: May 15 2006, 09:28 AM
Post by: Avenger 2.0 on May 15, 2006, 02:34:00 AM
Post by: Grim187 on May 15, 2006, 02:34:00 AM
also
Has anyone actualy played on live with a burnt game?
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Post by: PC_Arcade on May 15, 2006, 02:38:00 AM
??? You're confusing the WRITE speed of the DVD+R DL with the read speed, there shouldn't be a problem reading them @ 16x Although they take a while to write to
Post by: LithCoder on May 15, 2006, 02:03:00 AM
QUOTE(Grim187 @ May 15 2006, 01:05 AM)
You guys are forgetting a major factor Disk Speed it was a major problem with ps2's swap methods for a reasonable price you only get a 2.4x disk what are the 360 game disks 16x? your gonna be waiting on load screens forever and on big games like Oblivion it will take really take forever think of all the voice and animation that has to load just to talk to someone it has to stop for a sec on the actual game imagine what it would be like on a 2.4x disk, i dont know maby im just talking out my (|) has anyone tryed a game like Oblivion or Need for Speed?
also
Has anyone actualy played on live with a burnt game?
Wrong totaly wrong. Please know what your are saying before you say it. Write speed and read speed are 2 different things entirely.
Post by: pSyCo on May 15, 2006, 02:03:00 AM
QUOTE(Grim187 @ May 15 2006, 08:05 AM)
You guys are forgetting a major factor Disk Speed it was a major problem with ps2's swap methods for a reasonable price you only get a 2.4x disk what are the 360 game disks 16x? your gonna be waiting on load screens forever and on big games like Oblivion it will take really take forever think of all the voice and animation that has to load just to talk to someone it has to stop for a sec on the actual game imagine what it would be like on a 2.4x disk, i dont know maby im just talking out my (|) has anyone tryed a game like Oblivion or Need for Speed?
also
Has anyone actualy played on live with a burnt game?
Post by: DJ_L3ThAL on May 15, 2006, 02:06:00 AM
QUOTE(Grim187 @ May 15 2006, 07:05 PM)
You guys are forgetting a major factor Disk Speed it was a major problem with ps2's swap methods for a reasonable price you only get a 2.4x disk what are the 360 game disks 16x? your gonna be waiting on load screens forever and on big games like Oblivion it will take really take forever think of all the voice and animation that has to load just to talk to someone it has to stop for a sec on the actual game imagine what it would be like on a 2.4x disk, i dont know maby im just talking out my (|) has anyone tryed a game like Oblivion or Need for Speed?
also
Has anyone actualy played on live with a burnt game?
correct me if im wrong but the 2.4x rated is the burn speed, the disc can still be read at the readers speed cant it? coz thatd be like saying if u burn at 1x, it will be read at 1x? which is definitely not the case for cd-r and dvd-r, but please do correct me if im wrong im very interested
Post by: SniperKilla on May 15, 2006, 02:42:00 AM
Post by: DJ_L3ThAL on May 15, 2006, 02:43:00 AM
night peeps
Post by: garlm on May 15, 2006, 03:02:00 AM
Excellent job. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
QUOTE(Martinchris23 @ May 15 2006, 08:36 AM)
Don't think for a second that MS haven't already thought of this.
It's not hard for them to security hash a firmware file and store it somewhere on the 360. Lets say it's sitting there on your 360 right now. All MS have to do is store a check program in future game xex files and you'll instantly be stopped from playing them. Forget about Live - you won't even boot it up. Both the hash file and the check program would be stored in signed code, preventing any tampering. Current games will still work but any new titles will be unplayable.
Martin
True, except in order to check the crc of the firmware, they rely on a response from the firmware which is now in "our" control. If you stay a step ahead of the game, and watch out for new titles, Live, etc (until someone can forge a 'valid' response from the drive) this might work out well.
This post has been edited by garlm: May 15 2006, 10:06 AM
Post by: .:Dino:. on May 15, 2006, 02:39:00 AM
Post by: DynaMight on May 15, 2006, 02:39:00 AM
Hopefully someone will release some kind of 'modchip' that allows switching of the firmware that M$ cannot detect. We'll see.
Post by: geebee on May 15, 2006, 02:50:00 AM
...and kudos to the team for getting this far!
Post by: Drexon on May 15, 2006, 02:55:00 AM
Post by: geebee on May 15, 2006, 02:58:00 AM
QUOTE(Drexon @ May 15 2006, 10:02 AM)
How common are the Samsung drives? Did they come in a later revision of the console or were they mixed in from the start? What should I be looking for to ensure I get a Samsung drive?
you cannot tell without opening the box and opening the tray!
Post by: DynaMight on May 15, 2006, 03:34:00 AM
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Post by: Grim187 on May 15, 2006, 03:03:00 AM
my understanding of DL Media isn't so great but DVD-R and DVD+R do have Read Speeds that are usaly the same as there max Write Speed, I just assumed The same went for DL i actualy was waiting for this hack to get a DL DVD Burner
"BAN ME" i realy dont care as long as i can play my backups i barly play on live anyways ive had a free gold account for 3months and ive only used it twice
Cant Wait for Games off the hdd and XBMC (im to lazy to install and setup MCE and Transcode360)
Drexon: I've had my console replaced 5 times im on my 6th now in that time i have had 2 Samsung drives and 4 Haitachi drives so from my experiance the Haitachi's are more common
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Post by: OcnewB on May 15, 2006, 03:16:00 AM
Just to clarify.
QUOTE(frotee81 @ May 15 2006, 11:19 AM) 
does anyone has a working link to the fFirmware hack??
How fast do you wanna be banned
Post by: hey69 on May 15, 2006, 03:18:00 AM
Post by: jackassfan on May 15, 2006, 03:55:00 AM
Post by: juanker on May 15, 2006, 03:37:00 AM
QUOTE(majik655 @ May 15 2006, 07:16 AM)
Stupid question.. is there currently a tool to extract dvd key from original firmware?
I know there are tools for this for the orginal xbox samsung correct?
They say.. usually at $4000-4200 just wondering what the name of a tool would be to pull and maybe insert this for you without manually doing the hex editing?
Try this:
http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=3388167
Post by: crs7952 on May 15, 2006, 03:57:00 AM
Can I use this... Iv got the one with the holes in the tray
Post by: Keshire on May 15, 2006, 04:49:00 AM
Plus I want to use Oblivion PC mods with the backup disc.
Post by: BlueCop on May 15, 2006, 04:17:00 AM
QUOTE(Keshire @ May 15 2006, 11:20 AM)
Until this allows backups other than 1-to-1 this doesn't really helps towards looking for holes in the hypervisor.
Plus I want to use Oblivion PC mods with the backup disc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
who says you can't modifed the data before burning to disc. as long as the files aren't hashed or checksumed by the xex file. it should work
Post by: damaded on May 15, 2006, 04:33:00 AM
QUOTE(javip @ May 15 2006, 08:36 AM)
i'm confused about people wanting xbmc on xbox 360
just hook up media centre!
u can access tv, ALL ur music, videos.. pictures
unless there's something more it does that i'm not aware of?
QUOTE(hey69 @ May 15 2006, 08:47 AM)
maybe people dont want their PC up and running 24/h a day to acces their media?
maybe people dont have windows xp mediacenter edition?
Maybe some of us use an Apple Macintosh...
Post by: sick_mate_xbox on May 15, 2006, 05:17:00 AM
Post by: mksoftware on May 15, 2006, 04:41:00 AM
Post by: bergkampf on May 15, 2006, 04:45:00 AM
Advisable to make a backup of your dvd drive firmware first ("mtkflash r /m orig.bin"). Please make sure you hexedit the Xtreme.bin firmware (not Xtrm0800.bin firmware) to in-clude your dvd drive key from your original firmware (usually at $4000-4200).
If I look at the Xtreme.bin firmware I see this (and alot more like this), what of the orig.bin file should I copy and where into the Xtreme.bin should I copy it?
02 1c 30 02 1d 92 4a 4c 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 1f 11 00 00 00 00 00 02 1f 7b 02 03 66 e8 64 80 f8 e9 33 e8 33 60 11 04 60 f0 ed 33 ec 33 70 09 e8 fc e9 fd ea fe eb ff 22 04 60 de d3 eb 9f ea 9e e9 9d e8 c2 e7 8c f0 c2 f7 95 f0 40 0c e8 cc f8 e9 cd f9 ea ce fa eb cf fb 12 03 31 85 d0 f0 58 04 70 03 20 d5 b3 e8 04 70 07 50 02 b2 d5 02 03 70 92 d5 ec 04 60 f7 e4 cc c0 e0 c3 98 f8 60 3b 94 18 60 08 40 0d d0 e0 fb 02 03 48 e4 fb fa c9 fc 80 28 e8 30 e4 06 e4 c9 fb e4 ca fc e8 30 e3 05 e4 c9 ca cb fc e8 54 07 60 10 f8 c3 e9 13 f9 ea 13 fa eb 13 fb ec 13 fc d8 f1 30 f5 2f c3 e4 9c fc ef 9b ff ee 9a fe ed 99 fd d0 e0 fb ef 4e 4d 4c 70 12 22 db 03 02 03 6d ec 2c fc ef 33 ff
Post by: brandogg on May 15, 2006, 04:54:00 AM
Post by: mat989 on May 15, 2006, 05:30:00 AM
guys,
so does this mean the existing raw dumps will not work since the author is talking about using the flashed drive to dump the games?????....or he meant it will be easier to do it this way?? cause i have every scene release and i hate to start over again
Post by: MrPhunkee on May 15, 2006, 05:49:00 AM
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Post by: yankefish on May 15, 2006, 05:49:00 AM
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on May 15, 2006, 05:50:00 AM
QUOTE
The release has already been tested by SniperKilla and Arakon and seems to be working fine.
as one of the worries for me is cheating on xbox live when sniperkilla admitted to cheating a while back on PGR on the original xbox....
i hope this doesnt allow any modifications to the games...
i also hope this doesnt delay any development of any real hacks, such as a mod chip.
Post by: Satanic Sheep on May 15, 2006, 05:51:00 AM
Post by: Magixx on May 15, 2006, 05:57:00 AM
And how do you make an ISO for the 360 from a Folder?
Also can someone who already has hacked their drive contact me as I want to test some files and see if they boot.
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on May 15, 2006, 05:59:00 AM
I hoe the FW Pwns ur DVD drive lol.
& whats happening with Hitachi drive.
Post by: yankefish on May 15, 2006, 06:00:00 AM
Post by: mksoftware on May 15, 2006, 06:04:00 AM
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on May 15, 2006, 06:08:00 AM
QUOTE(Magixx @ May 15 2006, 06:28 AM)
Can someone with the hack try a notmal DVD-R if you have Full Auto as its under 4gb. Also Can someone else try to remove or replace a movie file then burn and see if it still works?
And how do you make an ISO for the 360 from a Folder?
Also can someone who already has hacked their drive contact me as I want to test some files and see if they boot.
i love how people know how to read... the security sector has to be on the 2nd layer of a dual layer DVD.
This post has been edited by ILLusions0fGrander: May 15 2006, 01:09 PM
Post by: mlwood37 on May 15, 2006, 06:14:00 AM
Now that MS have these details for real it wont belong before it goes full scale. Still though even though this is relased into the Public wont belong before PPL are selling this hack in the region of £90 to make money as joe public wont dare do it them selfs.
Allso hopeing like hell MS start Banning accounts with mismached Firmwares asap to stop this getting out of hand to soon. Wouldent like to see the xbox 360 fail due to people useing backups insted of legit games.
Dont forget that you and every one get the xbox cheap compaired to the real price of the hardware and they realy only make the money back on games. Since allso now MS have dropped the price of retail games like Kameo to £18 to retailers (yes this is ture). Wont belong before some of the majour first release games follow as well.
Good luck to every one who uses the hack just dont abuse it to much and spoil it for the rest of the none Abusers.
Post by: Kharoof on May 15, 2006, 06:25:00 AM
Also how "legal" would it be to have a database with the security sectors for all the games?
Thanks and good day!!
Post by: chessmastor on May 15, 2006, 06:27:00 AM
Personally, I don't own a x360 yet, and most likely won't, due to high price of games. Once a modchip comes out, simlar to xbox modchips, then I will buy one. Not because piracy will be most likely easier, but because of the great apps, and hopefully linux.
60 dollars a game, not for me. Most xbox1 games were crap anyways, I still have a bad taste in my mouth, err wallet.
Post by: bergkampf on May 15, 2006, 06:32:00 AM
And If I would buy a SATA Connector (for example one of Sweex) to plugin PCI it would still not help, because it`s not Primary or Slave Ide right? in Dos its not recognized right?
I really need a new pc for this right?
Post by: Jagosix on May 15, 2006, 06:35:00 AM
This post has been edited by Jagosix: May 15 2006, 01:36 PM
Post by: feflicker on May 15, 2006, 06:50:00 AM
QUOTE
And If I would buy a SATA Connector (for example one of Sweex) to plugin PCI it would still not help, because it`s not Primary or Slave Ide right? in Dos its not recognized right?
I really need a new pc for this right?
I really need a new pc for this right?
I have a SATA card too... I haven't tried it yet. I'm wondering if the chipset, etc. are going to work properly to do this. Has anyone got the drive to recognize off of a SATA PCI card? If so, which brand, etc?
Post by: ZakMcRofl on May 15, 2006, 06:59:00 AM
QUOTE(Jagosix @ May 15 2006, 02:06 PM) 
Hello. Good start on the hacks. Well all know that as soon as M$ gets their hands on this, it's all over with. People, don't think for a moment that M$ isn't watching these sites. A major update to the x360 dash will be out @ the end of the month. Who knows what that update will contain? maybe a patch for this hack? I don't know but for now, i'm in the wait & see approach.
You forget that the 360 can only interact with the drive via the firmware. In theory, the drive could hide any modifications done to it and always reply like a real drive. And there would be nothing M$ could do about it since they'd have no way to tell if they are talking to a fake or a really clean drive.
Post by: Relaxos on May 15, 2006, 06:23:00 AM
Post by: Satanic Sheep on May 15, 2006, 06:59:00 AM
QUOTE(feflicker @ May 15 2006, 01:21 PM)
I have a SATA card too... I haven't tried it yet. I'm wondering if the chipset, etc. are going to work properly to do this. Has anyone got the drive to recognize off of a SATA PCI card? If so, which brand, etc?
That Tutorial page says the SATA chipset must be SILICON IMAGE, Arakon on XBH says the SILICON IMAGE 3112 chipset does NOT support flashing over SATA, so possibly use anotehr SILICON IMAGE chipset.
Post by: feflicker on May 15, 2006, 06:30:00 AM
QUOTE
That Tutorial page says the SATA chipset must be SILICON IMAGE, Arakon on XBH says the SILICON IMAGE 3112 chipset does NOT support flashing over SATA, so possibly use anotehr SILICON IMAGE chipset.
I found some basic info, saying that the PCI SATA card can work, but no specifics as to proven cards, etc. I have a card that came with a Maxtor Hard Drive, it has a Promise chip on it... If anyone can confirm that a particular card works (something we can get from compusa, frys, etc) that would be a help
Post by: sinister slipknot on May 15, 2006, 06:43:00 AM
QUOTE(j0ey @ May 15 2006, 04:53 AM)
Just like the psp... right? =/
Hopefully MS will release something to block live signin with this mod.
It's a nice mod to have but... if youre paying $400 for the system whats another $30-35 a game (used)?????
Plus you factor in the limited amout of "good" games... it's hard to get excited.
I back my games up to protect the originals, like many other people do, as consoles have a tenency to destroy expensive discs. Since yo can't share .isos of the discs over the internet I don't see why MS would have a problem with this hack, as the main backups will be of people's own discs, or possibly that people make backups for their friends, which is just like lending your friend the disc, apart from you can both go on the game at the same time, so if MS has a problem with that, they misewell say that you can't lend your friends your games.
Post by: 0794 on May 15, 2006, 06:48:00 AM
At least it is a start to 360 modding. I still can't see this spreading around too much as it remains to be more difficult than a novice could perform and the end result is only playing copied games, which I, and many others from this board, really don't care about.
We want to harness the power of the 360 hardware for homebrew apps like XBMC. Of course, you have to start somewhere with modding...
Post by: bff_foeva on May 15, 2006, 07:31:00 AM
Anyway.
Cheers Commador4eva
Post by: NYCXBOX on May 15, 2006, 06:58:00 AM
First off this is by no means a way to run homebrew - it's a nice thought but XBMC will be XBOX V1 for a time more - even though M$ has the abiblty to impliment it into the 360 without an issue, they won't, so deal with the media extender only for now. So XMBC and homebrew users - sorry this hack is not for you.
Second - yes this is a patchable hack, but only patchable if you (1). are on xbox live - (2). Use Original games (firmware upgrade could be hidden on future titles). For those of you HOBBIEST out there that have a 2nd 360 just to run BACKUPS - just don't log onto xbox live and don't use that 2nd xbox to play original games either- that would be the only way M$ can get to your 360 and lock out this hack.
Lastly - ALL BACKUPS - from what I understand - HAVE TO BE DUAL LAYER DVD+/-R. These disk's are still expensive and take a while to burn - so yes you could cheat the system and start making a backup collectgion, but you will need a small fortune to do it and a HELL OF ALLOT OF TIME.
Good luck you hackers and homebrew guys, make us proud soon.
XBOXNYC
Post by: Satanic Sheep on May 15, 2006, 07:38:00 AM
I took mine apart and then re-assembled it, just so I could get to grips with doing it. The warranty sticker doesn't even look as though it's been removed, I just lifted half of it with a knife and removed the case.
Post by: feflicker on May 15, 2006, 07:08:00 AM
Post by: Guidor on May 15, 2006, 07:47:00 AM
Post by: HansiHusten on May 15, 2006, 07:16:00 AM
BTW: I read that the 360 only supports DVD-DL, is it true? Or does it also support +DL?
Would be great if some1 could answer that. Thanks
Post by: juan_2006 on May 15, 2006, 07:53:00 AM
Post by: pholly on May 15, 2006, 07:23:00 AM
On a side note, I understand wanting to backup your own games because I do that myself, but i'd be willing to bet that 75% of the people who will use this hack will use it to steal games not for backups. I'll wait for something that allows homebrew myself since it's a lot more important to me. Don't get me wrong, it's still impressive and the hard work is very appreciated. Hopefully someone will figure out how to get homebrew working now that piracy is out of the way
Post by: chilin_dude on May 15, 2006, 07:37:00 AM
I'll be buying a 360 soon and hopefully pay around £50 to have it 'chipped'
Post by: Satanic Sheep on May 15, 2006, 08:18:00 AM
QUOTE(chilin_dude @ May 15 2006, 02:44 PM)
Good work
I'll be buying a 360 soon and hopefully pay around £50 to have it 'chipped'
£50 seems excessive for what's involved, although if I had no other option I guess it's only the price of a game.
Post by: Questioner on May 15, 2006, 07:46:00 AM
Post by: O_oTheGameo_O on May 15, 2006, 07:47:00 AM
I dont believe it but ok... it's strange lol...congrats to the people that released it... finnaly someone with balls
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee lets play some illegal games
Post by: Questioner on May 15, 2006, 07:50:00 AM
http://www.fatwallet...N82E16827152058
http://www.fatwallet...N82E16817131163
Post by: chilin_dude on May 15, 2006, 07:52:00 AM
QUOTE(Satanic Sheep @ May 15 2006, 02:49 PM)
£50 seems excessive for what's involved, although if I had no other option I guess it's only the price of a game.
Yeah it's the price of one game, plus at least this one I know if it gets broken I'll get another one of the company
Post by: MrPhunkee on May 15, 2006, 07:54:00 AM
Post by: t_mac_ca on May 15, 2006, 08:34:00 AM
Post by: mattyv on May 15, 2006, 08:00:00 AM
One thing I would like to know is; once you get a working patched +R DL backup working, is it then possible to copy that backup w/ Clone or Nero like you are able to w/ Xbox1 backups?? If anyone with the hack working could test this, that would be great.
Post by: PC_Arcade on May 15, 2006, 08:37:00 AM
I'd rather use the WXripper as then I can keep the xbox360 in one piece (I've flashed the firmware already)
Post by: Kharoof on May 15, 2006, 08:30:00 AM
"I had a Perfect Dark Zero iso i made with WXripper using the hotswap method. I overwrote the area of the image with the correct SS and it boots fine. So if you have already riped you games with WXRipper you can write the SS at offset FD8F800. then rename to IMAGE.000 and burn with the in-cluded IMAGE.dvd for 360."
confirmed by bluecop on the XH forum on page 4 (if you wanna go check it yourself).
Post by: PC_Arcade on May 15, 2006, 09:13:00 AM
Post by: celicagt1993 on May 15, 2006, 08:37:00 AM
Post by: Lizotte on May 15, 2006, 09:23:00 AM
QUOTE(chr0ma @ May 15 2006, 04:18 AM)
If I can't use Live for a game then I don't want it and I don't think i would ever risk getting banned using this.
Same here. Which means no taking chances with this till buying a second 360 to be left off the internet permanently is more reasonably priced....
Post by: A.Z.BEST on May 15, 2006, 08:50:00 AM
QUOTE(feflicker @ May 15 2006, 01:37 PM)
I found some basic info, saying that the PCI SATA card can work, but no specifics as to proven cards, etc. I have a card that came with a Maxtor Hard Drive, it has a Promise chip on it... If anyone can confirm that a particular card works (something we can get from compusa, frys, etc) that would be a help
Hey dude,
I probably have the same card as you
. 2 SATA ports on sides and 1 IDE in between, right? Well... The manual says that this card doesn't support anything else than HDDs. But... it doesn't hurt to try, or does it? It think I'll take the risk (altough I will try it on my friend's 360 ).It all sounded so easy, but it seems like the problems started showing up.
Post by: pechvoge on May 15, 2006, 08:51:00 AM
Will this work you think:
1) Back-up your firmware file to a disc with MTKflash 183C
2) Get YOUR key with KDX_v1.1_by_F360 TEAM
3) Patch YOUR key in the patched firmware with the same: KDX_v1.1_by_F360 TEAM
4) Flash your drive again with the NEW (your key) patched firmwarefile?
Then we don`t need to hex-edit not??
Post by: RolfLobker on May 15, 2006, 09:32:00 AM
QUOTE(pechvoge @ May 15 2006, 04:58 PM)
Hey Guys!
Will this work you think:
1) Back-up your firmware file to a disc with MTKflash 183C
2) Get YOUR key with KDX_v1.1_by_F360 TEAM
3) Patch YOUR key in the patched firmware with the same: KDX_v1.1_by_F360 TEAM
4) Flash your drive again with the NEW (your key) patched firmwarefile?
Then we don`t need to hex-edit not??
Apparently not since the FW which C4E released is incompatible with that tool.
Unless there have been some revelations in the last couple of hours you do need to hex-edit.
(But if you don't know how to even do that, would you still think that you may be capable of following the rest of the instructions including creating working backups?)
Post by: candyman on May 15, 2006, 09:41:00 AM
big props to Commodore4Eva !!!
Post by: feflicker on May 15, 2006, 09:47:00 AM
QUOTE
Hey dude,
I probably have the same card as you . 2 SATA ports on sides and 1 IDE in between, right? Well... The manual says that this card doesn't support anything else than HDDs. But... it doesn't hurt to try, or does it? It think I'll take the risk (altough I will try it on my friend's 360 ).
It all sounded so easy, but it seems like the problems started showing up.
I probably have the same card as you . 2 SATA ports on sides and 1 IDE in between, right? Well... The manual says that this card doesn't support anything else than HDDs. But... it doesn't hurt to try, or does it? It think I'll take the risk (altough I will try it on my friend's 360 ).
It all sounded so easy, but it seems like the problems started showing up.
Yeah, that is probably it. I am sure there are different minor revisions out there, with different firmwares or whatever too. I've seen tons of these cards in my day. I don't see why a company would make a card/chipset that only works with a hard drive, or if that is even feasible if you adhere to the SATA specs, but if you say the manual states it, then that sucks. I am going to try it, if it doesn't work then I'll start a hunt for a different one...
Post by: stilljackstraw on May 15, 2006, 09:51:00 AM
to back up the games in their library, they would have to reconnect the SATA cable back to the PC each and every time?
So if you button the 360 back up and are safely playing your backups, then your friend drops off the game you let him borrow 2 months ago, you'd have to open the 360 back up and reconnect it to the PC?
Is this correct or is there an easier way to backup your games?
Post by: Hinotori on May 15, 2006, 09:55:00 AM
QUOTE(ZakMcRofl @ May 15 2006, 01:30 PM)
You forget that the 360 can only interact with the drive via the firmware. In theory, the drive could hide any modifications done to it and always reply like a real drive. And there would be nothing M$ could do about it since they'd have no way to tell if they are talking to a fake or a really clean drive.
Your idea is flawed, the drive has the capability of sending the data written into the firmware area. So, it's pretty easy to do a dasboard update that check every single bit of the firmware, the hacked firmware would not be able to report all the information of the original firmware, unless you could use dual-banks and have an I/O port available in the drive that would allow the hacked firmware to access a second bank of flash memory and read the original firmware. But even doing this way, then it would be easy to MS to release an update firmware for the drive that checks for a second bank using that spare I/O port and then consider the drive as a hacked unit. You see, this is the cat and mouse thing, and since MS can either update the firmware or the dashboard, and since you can't edit the image since the disc protection takes into consideration file sizes, file placement and so on, it is just a matter of making new games having a forced, mandatory update for both the drive firmware and dashboard, if they get this out of the disc, the disc won't boot at all....
This is a nice hack as far as showing that nothing is hack-proof, but I'm pretty sure that, as long as MS wants to, they have everything they need to prevent consoles from running back-ups of future games and to ban consoles using hacked firmwares. Let's see how they will handle the cat and mouse game, but unless some real hack exploiting the signature scheme and allowing modified disks to run (and thus, allowing non signed code to run, or at least, non copy protected discs to run) appears, I wouldn't have hope that this will have a long lifespan... Unless MS doesn't care at all for this hack, but I would doubt they won't care... Let's see what the early adopters will have to say after 2 or 3 months....
Post by: Questioner on May 15, 2006, 10:08:00 AM
QUOTE(Hinotori @ May 15 2006, 03:26 PM)
Your idea is flawed, the drive has the capability of sending the data written into the firmware area. So, it's pretty easy to do a dasboard update that check every single bit of the firmware, the hacked firmware would not be able to report all the information of the original firmware, unless you could use dual-banks and have an I/O port available in the drive that would allow the hacked firmware to access a second bank of flash memory and read the original firmware. But even doing this way, then it would be easy to MS to release an update firmware for the drive that checks for a second bank using that spare I/O port and then consider the drive as a hacked unit. You see, this is the cat and mouse thing, and since MS can either update the firmware or the dashboard, and since you can't edit the image since the disc protection takes into consideration file sizes, file placement and so on, it is just a matter of making new games having a forced, mandatory update for both the drive firmware and dashboard, if they get this out of the disc, the disc won't boot at all....
This is a nice hack as far as showing that nothing is hack-proof, but I'm pretty sure that, as long as MS wants to, they have everything they need to prevent consoles from running back-ups of future games and to ban consoles using hacked firmwares. Let's see how they will handle the cat and mouse game, but unless some real hack exploiting the signature scheme and allowing modified disks to run (and thus, allowing non signed code to run, or at least, non copy protected discs to run) appears, I wouldn't have hope that this will have a long lifespan... Unless MS doesn't care at all for this hack, but I would doubt they won't care... Let's see what the early adopters will have to say after 2 or 3 months....
Whether it's through this hacking method or another, MS will not have the upper hand on the hacking scene for long, I firmly believe that thanks to the genius people in this scene. This exploit will just buy time for future hacks, even if MS comes up with ways to block these things, the vast majority of time there will be a way to play backups and run homebrew hopefully in the future.
Post by: ebphondaprelude on May 15, 2006, 10:08:00 AM
QUOTE(stilljackstraw @ May 15 2006, 11:22 AM)
Hypothetically, if one was to open their 360 then flash their TS drive...
to back up the games in their library, they would have to reconnect the SATA cable back to the PC each and every time?
So if you button the 360 back up and are safely playing your backups, then your friend drops off the game you let him borrow 2 months ago, you'd have to open the 360 back up and reconnect it to the PC?
Is this correct or is there an easier way to backup your games?
to back up the games in their library, they would have to reconnect the SATA cable back to the PC each and every time?
So if you button the 360 back up and are safely playing your backups, then your friend drops off the game you let him borrow 2 months ago, you'd have to open the 360 back up and reconnect it to the PC?
Is this correct or is there an easier way to backup your games?
thats what im trryin to figure out
it comes with 2 flash files 1 to play the games and one to get the SS
so im thinkin that when u get a new game
u have to hook it up to the pc, reflash it with the SS firmware, pull the SS from the game
then reflash back to the playable firmware
anyone confirm this?
Thx
<MikE>
Post by: stilljackstraw on May 15, 2006, 10:22:00 AM
Post by: bucko on May 15, 2006, 10:22:00 AM
Post by: pechvoge on May 15, 2006, 10:31:00 AM
1) We JUST have to write the WHOLE RAW dumps to a dual layer dvd?? (verbatim for example?). And why are the security sectors in-cluded in this hack (for: COD2 for example)??
2) MTKFLASH can now only detect my IDE dvddrives, so if I use a PCI SATA card, my xbox360-drive will be showed?? For example one from sweex or E-Tech?? And do I have to use any sata cable to flash and back-up my firmware on disc using MTK?? Or do I just have to plug the xbox360drive sata cable in my SATA PCI CARD?? (why we should use the upcoming Team Xecuter adapters then?
)Thank you!
(and PLZ PLZ, don't flame me!)
Post by: Joergen on May 15, 2006, 10:32:00 AM
Post by: gchase on May 15, 2006, 10:33:00 AM
with your Gamer Card right on ur profile
lol.. hacks sweet tho... tobad wrong drive
Post by: Hansi on May 15, 2006, 10:42:00 AM
QUOTE(stilljackstraw @ May 15 2006, 05:53 PM)
also, you can leave the sata cable unhooked from the 360 and to your PC long enough to transfer the entire 8 gigs of the image or whatever.. without getting red lights of death or the xbox killing the power to the drive?
Yes, no problem
QUOTE(Joergen @ May 15 2006, 06:03 PM)
I didnt think this would ever happen with the lack of progress made. Reinventing the wheel isnt easy so huge props to Commodore4Eva for re-doing what was impossible for others outside the tiny elite nucleus of hackers.
Agreed. I would buy Commodore4Eva more beers than he could handle if he came by us here in stockholm...
I made a backup of my Ridge Racer 6 disc, runs fine on Traxdata DVD+R DL
Post by: Spark on May 15, 2006, 10:44:00 AM
QUOTE(Hansi @ May 15 2006, 05:13 PM)
Agreed. I would buy Commodore4Eva more beers than he could handle if he came by us here in stockholm...
I'd give him a kick in the bollocks for releasing a samsung hack instead of Hitatchi.
Post by: PC_Arcade on May 15, 2006, 10:59:00 AM
It burnt correctly on the PC, and my guess would be bad image (I added the SS from the firmware pack to my wxripper image). Do my symptoms bear that assumption out?
Post by: mattyv on May 15, 2006, 11:09:00 AM
QUOTE(Spark @ May 15 2006, 12:15 PM)
I'd give him a kick in the bollocks for releasing a samsung hack instead of Hitatchi.
Nice!! Then he could really use those Ice Cold Beers. Helps w/ swelling.
Post by: s00pcan on May 15, 2006, 11:10:00 AM
Post by: Mega_mil on May 15, 2006, 11:13:00 AM
QUOTE(Questioner @ May 15 2006, 04:39 PM)
Whether it's through this hacking method or another, MS will not have the upper hand on the hacking scene for long, I firmly believe that thanks to the genius people in this scene. This exploit will just buy time for future hacks, even if MS comes up with ways to block these things, the vast majority of time there will be a way to play backups and run homebrew hopefully in the future.
Hackers will NEVER have the upper hand without a Modchip. Like he says this is a cat and mouse game. If you learned anything from the PSP, there is only a matter of time before there is a game that you want that will force an update and then what.....all your time and money wasted. Me personally, I have nothing against the hack at all. I love progression in the scene, but homebrew will not likely come out of this until the real protection is cracked. Once the console's real protection is cracked, the programmers out there can get to work. So he's right, your thinking is flawed. This hack is nothing more than a mere magic trick when you think of the possibilities we would have if we had a modchip.
Post by: MaTiAz on May 15, 2006, 11:14:00 AM
QUOTE(Spark @ May 15 2006, 05:15 PM)
I'd give him a kick in the bollocks for releasing a samsung hack instead of Hitatchi.
Haha
Piracy, here we come! (except for me, because I don't have what it takes to open my 360 and flash the drive)
Post by: Pseudoschizo_x on May 15, 2006, 11:18:00 AM
QUOTE(celicagt1993 @ May 15 2006, 10:44 AM)
unless i did something wrong, my computer is a dell 4700 with SATA (not sure the chipset) when i selected either primary or slave it just sat there when trying to make a backup of original f/w. had to ctrl break out of it. I set the chipset to both native sata operation and combination for older OS's. Now, i did use the format and make bootable option under xp, haven't tried a win 98 boot disk... i'll try that.
Unless they've changed (which I seriously doubt), Dell's use the Silicon Image 3114 chipset. Actually, most integrated SATA chipsets are the SI3114's..
QUOTE
Features
* Boots all Xtreme Xbox 360 backups
* Boots all Xtreme Xbox 1 backups
* Boots all Xbox 360 originals
* Boots all Xbox 1 originals on Xbox 360
* Boots all Xtreme Xbox 360 backups
* Boots all Xtreme Xbox 1 backups
* Boots all Xbox 360 originals
* Boots all Xbox 1 originals on Xbox 360
am I the only person who saw this? What's this about, the FW hack allows you to play any original Xbox1 game on the 360, regardless of it's backwards compatability? And if so.. how the hell could it do that? The games were built with a certain architecture in mind. They have to be emulated for a reason..
pSc
Post by: feflicker on May 15, 2006, 11:21:00 AM
QUOTE
am I the only person who saw this? What's this about, the FW hack allows you to play any original Xbox1 game on the 360, regardless of it's backwards compatability?
Hacking firmware doesn't effect the emulator. You can, of course, only play org Xbox games that are supported by the console... The guys who released the firmware just thought that this point was so obvious they didn't have to specify... Apparently not lol, lots of people have asked about it
Post by: psxpirate1 on May 15, 2006, 11:28:00 AM
Post by: dmitri on May 15, 2006, 11:28:00 AM
QUOTE(Pikkon @ May 15 2006, 05:59 AM)
Well like I said before MS has already created an update to prevent this type of hack.They will ban you from xbox live.Expect an update in a couple of weeks.
When was it released? I guess the trick is to stay off live?
Post by: Questioner on May 15, 2006, 11:33:00 AM
QUOTE(psxpirate1 @ May 15 2006, 04:59 PM)
The game of "cat and mouse" is ended when somebody releases a flashable firmware chip to add on the dvdrom drive. You just have to swap between firmwares. (And stay OFF Xbox Live.. That's what Kai is for anyways.)
Exactly. Or a dual drive solution of some sort. You can then do game updates using legal copies and the stock firmware. People need to just accept the fact that piracy is here to stay for the 360. MS will be fighting a losing battle.
I don't get the point about the psp either, sure its annoying, but 95 percent of the time you are able to play backups.
Post by: LESTAT on May 15, 2006, 11:34:00 AM
QUOTE(Niqanx @ May 15 2006, 12:16 AM)
Sorry to harp on, but...
Can someone who has tried this confirm or disprove that ALL backups work? Regardless of region?
I suspect that they cant, but before I hack my Jap system, I'd like to know. If indeed they cant, people should realise the importance of region before attempting to download game torrents. This isn't like a mod chip. If you're still region locked with this hack, you'd better be sure of what region you're downloading or it's "currently" a waste of time.
Peace out.
(PS, if M$ thought that the firmware was a vulnerability, wouldn't they have signed it? They may indeed not be able to detect it...)
Can someone who has tried this confirm or disprove that ALL backups work? Regardless of region?
I suspect that they cant, but before I hack my Jap system, I'd like to know. If indeed they cant, people should realise the importance of region before attempting to download game torrents. This isn't like a mod chip. If you're still region locked with this hack, you'd better be sure of what region you're downloading or it's "currently" a waste of time.
Peace out.
(PS, if M$ thought that the firmware was a vulnerability, wouldn't they have signed it? They may indeed not be able to detect it...)
there is nothing to prove or disprove it says very clearly region locked games will not work if your box is not that region sheesh people read the readme!!
and there are plenty of sites that have posted what games are region free or region locked.
and i have the sammy drive but i paid for the 2 yr support agreement so i dont intend on screwing that up!
there needs to be a way to do this via the network though,, that would be totally wicked too bad it probably wont happen. the 360 is probably tighter than a virgin for incoming network requests.
Post by: feflicker on May 15, 2006, 11:48:00 AM
QUOTE
and i have the sammy drive but i paid for the 2 yr support agreement so i dont intend on screwing that up!
It's very possible to open your X360 without making it "visible". This is MS$'s other main mistake. The sticker they used is very weak. They needed to use the kind that was on the PS2, where it tears apart, etc. This sticker can be lifted with a blow dryer / tweezers
QUOTE
there needs to be a way to do this via the network though,, that would be totally wicked too bad it probably wont happen.
You need ATA access to the drive to flash the firmware. You can't flash it using a USB/Firewire adapter, and if you could make a network connector, it probably wouldn't work that way either. You need an ATA controller, etc...
Post by: PC_Arcade on May 15, 2006, 12:00:00 PM
QUOTE(PC_Arcade @ May 15 2006, 05:30 PM)
First disk I tried (a backup of my copy of PGR3) is recognised as a game, but it says that it can't read it and I should wipe with a cloth, question is : is that indicative of a bad flash, bad image or bad media?
It burnt correctly on the PC, and my guess would be bad image (I added the SS from the firmware pack to my wxripper image). Do my symptoms bear that assumption out?
Does anyone know the answer to this ?
Post by: johnnyrico on May 15, 2006, 12:00:00 PM
seriously, the ass who released this just got himself in a crapload of trouble
Post by: Questioner on May 15, 2006, 12:04:00 PM
Im sure he is shaking in his boots.
Hahahahaha, Ill stand on my head for a week if MS is able to stop all the servers hosting these hacks, seriously get a clue. MS can't even beat sony in the console market. They aren't some super global internet force.
This asses who created this hack have made a neccessary step in the total hacking of the 360.
Post by: darren_JJ on May 15, 2006, 12:06:00 PM
QUOTE(johnnyrico @ May 15 2006, 07:31 PM)
I wonder how long it will take until MS has dropped a lawsuit against him, taken down neraly every major server that hosts this data and has banned the Xbox'es with modified firmware detected.
seriously, the ass who released this just got himself in a crapload of trouble
I think it depends on how he made his postings. If both his IP and his MAC can't be linked to him in anyway, then he won't have much to worry about ...
Post by: johnnyrico on May 15, 2006, 12:12:00 PM
he's definitely in for some trouble cuz you ALWAYS leave traces on the net, even tiny little ones.
questioner, this hack only has use for people who are interested in piracy, no more.
Post by: zerodefect on May 15, 2006, 12:14:00 PM
Post by: darren_JJ on May 15, 2006, 12:16:00 PM
QUOTE(johnnyrico @ May 15 2006, 07:43 PM)
too bad for the guy that if MS is pissed, they will not stop until they get their hands on the one responsible
he's definitely in for some trouble cuz you ALWAYS leave traces on the net, even tiny little ones.
questioner, this hack only has use for people who are interested in piracy, no more.
Well, you CAN post it safely, but you have to take extreme care. The problem is you have to use a different IP and MAC. So you could for example buy a NEW network card, go to a wireless internet access point, install the network card there, upload the file and destroy the network card and throw the 'evidence' in the sea
But even then, you have to think about how to be 'undetected' at the wireless access points. Make sure no one saw you, and most importantly: you're not on camera Post by: Questioner on May 15, 2006, 12:16:00 PM
Must be why all the people involved in developing it initially have no interest in piracy. No one is sure what doors it will open, but many believe it was worth pursuing, you can't say it won't make developments in other areas besides playing backups (which is not even just piracy, these dvd drives have been known to ruin discs) easier.
Post by: johnnyrico on May 15, 2006, 12:17:00 PM
and wouldn't be surprised he made a mistake and posted an update of the progress from home once.
srsly, he should be careful now.
the orig xbox team indeed was bragging too much, but wouldn't be surprised MS will soon add soem dash code to check the firmware and if it is different from what it should be: WHAMBO: banned.
Post by: darren_JJ on May 15, 2006, 12:18:00 PM
QUOTE(zerodefect @ May 15 2006, 07:45 PM)
haha i dont think he has anything to worry about. that is the beauty of the internet, bring your laptop to mcdonalds and voila instant anonymous internet access from your car in the parking lot.
Lol, YOU would have been caught the same evening
So, you see, you DO need brains to do it safely You forgot about your MAC adress
Post by: johnnyrico on May 15, 2006, 12:19:00 PM
QUOTE(Questioner @ May 15 2006, 07:47 PM)
these dvd drives have been known to ruin discs) easier.
cuz those ppl who had ruined discs were too lazy to RTFM and moved the Xbox from vertical to horizontol while operating with a disc in the drive...
Post by: Questioner on May 15, 2006, 12:20:00 PM
Post by: zerodefect on May 15, 2006, 12:20:00 PM
Post by: johnnyrico on May 15, 2006, 12:24:00 PM
since the xbox can't use the discdrive if it can't communicate with the firmware, blocking checks is out of the question.
I'm sure MS will come up with some idea, even if they have to hire david copperfield to do some of his magic lol
Post by: Spark on May 15, 2006, 12:25:00 PM
Post by: Questioner on May 15, 2006, 12:27:00 PM
Post by: GeeZuzz on May 15, 2006, 12:28:00 PM
Downloading and burning "backups" from internet will not work - you must backup from your own drive and patch it?
In other words
Is this hack is only useful if you already have the original in your hand? (right now)
Post by: RolfLobker on May 15, 2006, 12:29:00 PM
As soon as softmods for the original xbox became available I modded several xbox' which, today, still function 100% even after all the dashboard-updates.
Also: when MS did release newer kernel-versions which rendered the previously used method useless it was only a matter of time before that was bypassed as well.
As of today -all- xbox kernels (original xbox) function 100% OK with softmods which have been available for years.
The currently used 'trick' is one of the oldest available.
Technically speaking the same thing can be applied when preventing the dvdrom from being flashed to a newer version:
Edit the firmware in such a way that the detection-routines from MS retrieve information which is 'false' and is telling the inquiring 'program' that it's an original firmware.
Extremely simple explanation
Past:
360: Is the disc an original xbox dvd?
drive: nope, it's a copy
Present:
360: Is the disc an original xbox dvd?
drive: yup, it's an original
Near Future:
360: Is the disc an original xbox dvd?
drive: yup, it's an original
360: Are you the original firmware?
drive: nope, I'm the 'hacked' one
Near Future plus a few days:
360: Is the disc an original xbox dvd?
drive: yup, it's an original
360: Are you the original firmware?
drive: Yup, I have not been altered or anything
(repeat the last two where applied)
Also:
Will MS be able to prevent you from tampering with the firmware for current (*) drives?
I don't think so. I believe that, worst-case-scenario, your drive will be flashed back original w/ future updates / games and then you just have to follow the same procedure as before to 'hack' it.
If and when MS released games w/ mandatory firmware flashes / checks there will soon be a way to get around this (read: adjust some files / the .iso before burning)
Remember some of the 'copy-protections' which some xbox (1) games have?
Like i.e. longer filenames (Matrix) and other checks (some games don't launch from hdd by default like Larry)
How long did it take before that was bypassed? Several days at maximum.
Check out the game-backup section of these forums and be glorified.
Of course MS could always ship newer xbox 360's with write-protected dvdrom drives or altered drives on which -this- firmware does not apply.
Does that change anything for the 360's currently availlable? no.
Will MS demolish all current 360's which are allready past production? no.
Will MS render your 360 useless with a message stating that you need to return it for 'waranty'? no.
I believe that most of the options which MS has are not feasable or too expensive.
At most they will slow everything down like they did with the kernel-updates for xbox (1)
Anybody remember k.5530? or k.5713? or xbox 1.6 / 1.6b?
MS slowed us down, MS made it a bit more difficult for some people, some people backed out because they did not understand it all. But they never stopped us.
Kazaa is a nice example in this.
Why do you think -that- p2p-program and it's users is the victom of a lot of lawsuites?
Because it's too damn easy for the mass. You want to stop the mass, not the individual.
If the 'scene' consisted of 1000 members each sharing the current amount of 'warez' and both you and me were unable to get in and there were no illegal copies availlable to the masses (read: easily downloaded via easy to use p2p-software). Do you think anyone would care? Do you think we'd have DMCA, ACAP, NASSCOM, BSA etc etc? Do you think the FBI would spend their time and effort into finding those people?
Personally I don't think so.
It's about the masses. If you want to stop the masses take away their tools.
This fimware is one tool which is -currently- not for the masses. MS ofcourse will want to prevent it becoming a tool of the 'masses' and will slow it all down. Thus leaving it availlable only to 'select' individuals.
All in all: I believe current 360-owners with TS drives have nothing to worry about.
If you want to make sure you have a 360 which can be altered, buy one now before MS builds in a barrier in newer 360's
Post by: johnnyrico on May 15, 2006, 12:29:00 PM
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Post by: psxpirate1 on May 15, 2006, 12:31:00 PM
Post by: Spark on May 15, 2006, 12:31:00 PM
A lot fewer users have Samsungs than Hitatchi's, including most of us on here, right now MS's best defence can be taking the Samsung drives off the production line.
Post by: RolfLobker on May 15, 2006, 12:32:00 PM
QUOTE(GeeZuzz @ May 15 2006, 07:59 PM)
Can someone make this clear:
Downloading and burning "backups" from internet will not work - you must backup from your own drive and patch it?
In other words
Is this hack is only useful if you already have the original in your hand? (right now)
Correct, -currently- you need the original disc in your own regional code.
(who's stopping you from lending them?)
I think that it will be a matter of days and then we will see already 'patched' .iso files.
Or at least the security sectors made availlable (some are already in the 'package' which you can apply to the older 'releases'
x-s does not approve of the use of scene-releases though. The above must be considered technical information. In order to comply with x-s rules you need to make the backups yourself (when you are going to talk about it)
Post by: johnnyrico on May 15, 2006, 12:33:00 PM
Post by: Spark on May 15, 2006, 12:33:00 PM
QUOTE(psxpirate1 @ May 15 2006, 07:02 PM)
For the pirates: If you're too cheap to buy your games why the hell would you be concerned with, or purchase Xbox Live?.. Stay off it.
If you didn't have the word 'pirate' in your username, that could have been quite a worthwhile statement.
Post by: psxpirate1 on May 15, 2006, 12:35:00 PM
As for my "statement" mine is just as valuable, if not more so than your statement about MS's halting production.
My name has been that since the days of playstation boy. I've learned a few things since then.
Post by: darren_JJ on May 15, 2006, 12:35:00 PM
QUOTE(Spark @ May 15 2006, 07:56 PM)
Chances are they will probably focus their energies more on preventing use of this hack than finding the coder.
Well, the process of tracking him down will be in hands of the FED, not MS.
Post by: johnnyrico on May 15, 2006, 12:37:00 PM
QUOTE(psxpirate1 @ May 15 2006, 08:06 PM)
Why would they want to halt production of their drives slowing down the gravy train? It's only a very small percentage of Xbox users who are skilled enough to mod their own firmwares. It's not like it's going to spread to every machine. They haven't done so before, and they won't stop prodution now. History speaks for itself.
true, true, but as time will grow, adapters will become cheaper, apps will become eaier until 1 day someone makes a simple wizard app for it wich allows even jake the gardener to hack the 360's DVD firmware with 2 fingers up into his nose.
Post by: Spark on May 15, 2006, 12:39:00 PM
QUOTE(darren_JJ @ May 15 2006, 07:06 PM)
Well, the process of tracking him down will be in hands of the FED, not MS.
I think MS would still be liable for the charges of the investigation though.
QUOTE(johnnyrico @ May 15 2006, 07:08 PM)
true, true, but as time will grow, adapters will become cheaper, apps will become eaier until 1 day someone makes a simple wizard app for it wich allows even jake the gardener to hack the 360's DVD firmware with 2 fingers up into his nose.
Exactly. MS are shit at security when it comes to fighting the underground, but they don't do too badly against your average Joe, like when solderless Xbox mods became big, they released the v1.6 model.
Post by: johnnyrico on May 15, 2006, 12:52:00 PM
what MS would need is firmware that cannot be flashed(don't ask me how)
Post by: Cappadonna on May 15, 2006, 12:55:00 PM
.Next, I have the kiosk disk and was able to use it until I put that stupid olbivion game in and it said I must update to play game. Now kiosk don't work. Was the ability for the kiosk disk to run in the DVD firmware or somewhere else in the box? I think you see the point I'm making.
Finally, YES I'm going to flash my drive when I get home. Just want to know if there are any other ways of making working back ups (WXRipper) without having to take the xbox apart everytime you want to make a backup. If I only had a splitter for SATA cable I would be in high cotton. Maybe I can make one.
Thanks in advance and again, didn't mean to offend anyone. If you can't say anything positive-----Shut up!
Post by: darren_JJ on May 15, 2006, 01:02:00 PM
QUOTE(johnnyrico @ May 15 2006, 08:23 PM)
indeed, but there are now also solderless LPC rebuilds.
what MS would need is firmware that cannot be flashed(don't ask me how)
Exactly, they should put in on a 'normal' ROM, not flash ROM
Yeah, you can't easily fix bugs anymore, so you just gotta make damn sure that the code works
Post by: SharkUW on May 15, 2006, 01:04:00 PM
Post by: manhunt009 on May 15, 2006, 01:06:00 PM
Post by: PasPer2 on May 15, 2006, 01:07:00 PM
I wont trade XBL for backups im afraid.
PasPer2
Post by: manu_xl on May 15, 2006, 01:10:00 PM
you nasty pirates ... i still believe an exploit will give us heaven in the future
Post by: zerodefect on May 15, 2006, 01:11:00 PM
Post by: adversekarma on May 15, 2006, 01:12:00 PM
Post by: darren_JJ on May 15, 2006, 01:12:00 PM
QUOTE(PasPer2 @ May 15 2006, 08:38 PM)
Maybe Bill thinks that if he lets the hack circulate for a while longer before fixing the loophole people who want xbox live will purchase a 2nd system which will boost sales, therefore cementing the 360s #1 position for when the ps3 is launched.
I wont trade XBL for backups im afraid.
PasPer2
Exactly. Let them use the hack for a few months. Sales will increase, sony will get a more difficult position and when sales of the consoles are not increasing that much anymore, release the kernel update with the fixes (both on live and on all new games)
Post by: PC_Arcade on May 15, 2006, 01:14:00 PM
QUOTE(manu_xl @ May 15 2006, 07:41 PM)
i'm curious ... who will be the first n00b who destroyed his 360?
When I reassembled it and got the red ring thing, I thought it was me! Luckily it was fixed by tightening the little black screws that hold the heatsink on (thank god!)
QUOTE
you nasty pirates ... i still believe an exploit will give us heaven in the future
You never know, alhough I wouldn't hold your breath!
Post by: itchy on May 15, 2006, 01:17:00 PM
Post by: zerodefect on May 15, 2006, 01:18:00 PM
Post by: manp on May 15, 2006, 01:20:00 PM
QUOTE(RolfLobker @ May 15 2006, 08:00 PM)
If and when MS released games w/ mandatory firmware flashes / checks there will soon be a way to get around this (read: adjust some files / the .iso before burning)
you can't take the check out if the check/update is embedded in the game executable (only newer game of course)... and you can't mess with executables cause you'll broke the sign and the firmware hack doesn't allow for unsigned code to run
i imagine something like this: the game starts, during a cutscene (or something like this, just to keep the first boot fast) it dumps the fw from the drive and check it bit by bit
if there's something wrong the game just freeze or update the firmware
as someone stated before this kind of "bit by bit check" will need some sort of extra memory on the drive to store an original copy of the firmware in order to feed the check
i'm not telling this will happen or that this is the best way for MS to stop the hack (i don't even know if it will work
)... or even that some smart guy would not figure out how to fake this kind of checkneither i mean that you're not right saying that they can't stop this hack forever
for the most part i agree with you
PS: sorry for my english
Post by: MrPlow on May 15, 2006, 01:21:00 PM
Post by: manp on May 15, 2006, 01:23:00 PM
QUOTE(MrPlow @ May 15 2006, 08:52 PM)
Just wondering, has anybody heard from Commodore4Eva since this was released?
by now he's already working for MS
Post by: MrPlow on May 15, 2006, 01:25:00 PM
QUOTE(manp @ May 15 2006, 07:54 PM)
by now he's already working for MS
In the kitchen peeling potatoes?
Post by: Questioner on May 15, 2006, 01:27:00 PM
QUOTE(itchy @ May 15 2006, 06:48 PM)
Best Buy just so happens to have Verbatim DVD+R DL on sale. 20 pack for $39.99. $2 per disc plus tax. Pretty good deal! Verbatim has the best quality.
This is a bit better after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817131163
Post by: feflicker on May 15, 2006, 01:27:00 PM
QUOTE
Just wondering, has anybody heard from Commodore4Eva since this was released?
Well, on XBH.Net he posted April 25th, then the 14th to post the news... Nothing since then... Only has 8 posts total on XBH.Net. Is he mainly posting somewhere else?
Post by: MrPlow on May 15, 2006, 01:35:00 PM
They just need to read these boards and see the ppl who have there GT pinned to there profile...lol
J/K
Post by: zerodefect on May 15, 2006, 01:39:00 PM
as far as i remember a gamertag doesnt mean anything. i have a gamertag, but it doesnt contain my name or address.... or even anything that proves use of a modified firmware.
Post by: MrPlow on May 15, 2006, 01:42:00 PM
QUOTE(zerodefect @ May 15 2006, 08:10 PM)
im sure he posts on xboxhacker... just with a different username.
as far as i remember a gamertag doesnt mean anything. i have a gamertag, but it doesnt contain my name or address.... or even anything that proves use of a modified firmware.
It was a J/K m8
Post by: O_oTheGameo_O on May 15, 2006, 01:44:00 PM
QUOTE(MrPlow @ May 15 2006, 09:13 PM)
It was a J/K m8
when it comes to warez people from usa/canada are sooooo paranoid
Post by: feflicker on May 15, 2006, 01:46:00 PM
Post by: MrPlow on May 15, 2006, 01:49:00 PM
QUOTE(feflicker @ May 15 2006, 08:17 PM)
Well now the foros360 guys are claiming ownership of the hack, apparently. A guy named Xtreme. Who knows. The only reason I post this is to help spread the confusion (if commodore is fleeing the country right now lol)... This was posted on XBH btw...
I read that myself, is it possible its the same person?
Post by: mjar81 on May 15, 2006, 01:51:00 PM
So...
definitely NOT going to try this one out. I'd rather have a console that plays legal games only instead of a brick.
Post by: feflicker on May 15, 2006, 01:56:00 PM
QUOTE
I read that myself, is it possible its the same person?
Thought the same thing, or perhaps, the same "team". Those foros guys were making a lot of claims, so they might have done it...
Post by: biiig.no on May 15, 2006, 01:57:00 PM
This post has been edited by biiig.no: May 15 2006, 08:57 PM
Post by: sinister slipknot on May 15, 2006, 01:58:00 PM
QUOTE(feflicker @ May 15 2006, 08:17 PM)
Well now the foros360 guys are claiming ownership of the hack, apparently. A guy named Xtreme. Who knows. The only reason I post this is to help spread the confusion (if commodore is fleeing the country right now lol)... This was posted on XBH btw...
From how it reads it doens't look as though commodore is claiming ownership of the hack, he simply says ''Xtreme firmware for TS-H943 Xbox 360''
Post by: MrPlow on May 15, 2006, 01:59:00 PM
QUOTE(biiig.no @ May 15 2006, 08:28 PM)
Do 360 use a emulator til play xbox1 games? So it would be impossible to do the 007 bios loader on 360?
yes it does use emu, but hack not possible m8
Post by: darren_JJ on May 15, 2006, 02:03:00 PM
QUOTE(sinister slipknot @ May 15 2006, 09:29 PM)
From how it reads it doens't look as though commodore is claiming ownership of the hack, he simply says ''Xtreme firmware for TS-H943 Xbox 360''
I'm pretty sure that 'commodore4eva' has been posting a long time on XBH, under another name. It realy doesn't make sense: this guy comes out of nowhere and posts his hack. The least you would expect is participation in the technical threads before his release. So, I'm quite sure it's somebody else. Maybe, it's indeed someone from the 'team'. Think of it: if one of these guys wanted to release it, he sure as hell could not do it under his 'real' ID -> they all participated in the technical threads and of course, they haven't been using 'safe' IP's all the time. So, maybe that's even the most logical explanation ... It is to me anyway (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: geebee on May 15, 2006, 02:11:00 PM
De momento el hack es solo para lectores Samsung ya que en Hitachi han tenido algún problemilla para cargar juegos de Xbox, pero en breve caerá, os paso la lista de cositas que podréis hacer con él
Basically they have had some problems with the Hitsachi loading Xbox games, but it will be fixed soon.
Not sure if that is Xbox 1 or 360 however...
Heres the original post:
Foros360s Xtreme post
Post by: feflicker on May 15, 2006, 02:12:00 PM
QUOTE
Think of it: if one of these guys wanted to release it, he sure as hell could not do it under his 'real' ID -> they all participated in the technical threads and of course, they haven't been using 'safe' IP's all the time. So, maybe that's even the most logical explanation ... It is to me anyway
Was thinking the same thing... To be honest, I would have probably leaked it to a release group, and let them post the files. I wouldn't have wanted to take any chances... I'd even be concerned about fingerprints in the files themselves that could be linked to my computer, etc...
Post by: .:Dino:. on May 15, 2006, 02:18:00 PM
QUOTE
when it comes to warez people from usa/canada are sooooo paranoid
so true
Post by: sinister slipknot on May 15, 2006, 02:23:00 PM
QUOTE(zerodefect @ May 15 2006, 07:49 PM)
i dont even see how they can ban you from xbox live? if they cant even determine if your disc is a copy or original, im sure the firmware is safe haha.
I', sure they can, MS thinks of everything, im sure they can do a full diagnostic of everything on your 360. Though it's like RolfLobker says, eventually firmware will be made to tell MS thats it's the original (if it already doesn't) and after that i don't think there is much more they can do, apart from release patches with games to flash the firmware back, but once you've already flashed it you'll know how to flash it back, the only problem would be for the noobs, who will eventually buy modified drives off of the internet, then can't flash them back! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Post by: Joergen on May 15, 2006, 02:30:00 PM
I wish we could buy cheap secondary drives and somebody would make a power+sata switch for switching between the original drive and an external hacked secondary drive. Thats possible now that we can exchange the drive keys right?
Post by: feflicker on May 15, 2006, 02:33:00 PM
QUOTE
So its possible to flash back the original virgin firmware to the drive incase MS starts detecting the hack?
Sure you can flash it with whatever you want.
QUOTE
I wish we could buy cheap secondary drives
A Samsung similar enough to the TS-H943 might be able to accept the 360's modified firmware at some point in time... We'll see... That would be nice...
Post by: sinister slipknot on May 15, 2006, 02:33:00 PM
QUOTE(Joergen @ May 15 2006, 09:01 PM)
So its possible to flash back the original virgin firmware to the drive incase MS starts detecting the hack?
I wish we could buy cheap secondary drives and somebody would make a power+sata switch for switching between the original drive and an external hacked secondary drive. Thats possible now that we can exchange the drive keys right?
Yeah, your told to backup your original frimware, so you should have three, the original, the modified for windows and the modified for the 360, just switch between the modified one and the original if you get paranoid.
Post by: jaynigs on May 15, 2006, 02:34:00 PM
Thanks
Jay
Post by: sinister slipknot on May 15, 2006, 02:35:00 PM
QUOTE(feflicker @ May 15 2006, 09:04 PM)
A Samsung similar enough to the TS-H943 might be able to accept the 360's modified firmware at some point in time... We'll see... That would be nice...
That'd rock, but i'm sure MS made sure that these drives were completly unique to other drives on the market, to stop the whole 616F/T happening again, but i could be wrong.
Post by: Kafluke on May 15, 2006, 02:59:00 PM
Post by: vandalisthero on May 15, 2006, 03:04:00 PM
Yeah but anyways, does anybody else appreciate the fact that damn near everyone who's talking on this thread has their gamercard right on their posts? Seriously, you might as well have a scan of your driver's liscense in your sig. Don't get me wrong, I hope that none of you get caught, but think about it for a second. M$ has got to be watching this thread pretty closely right? All they need is to see your gamercard to know exactly where to look in their database to find your name, address, phone number, credit card information, etc. You couldn't possibly make it any easier for them short of showing up at their front door. I'm sure the fact that XBox Live is now so much more intricate (sp?) with the achievement points and everything else that you are going to want to flaunt your gamercard all over the internet is in a sense one of their security features. I know it's not technically a security feature but it's a good play on the stupidity of the human race in my opinion. I really can't stress this enough: you might as well have a scan of your driver's liscense in your sig! You guys are in the immortal words of Carlos Mencia "Dundanuuuh!"
And before speculation starts that I'm just an M$ spy myself, I'd just like to say grow up. I'm just another one of the numerous people in the scene that knows that they're here RIGHT NOW!
Post by: Joergen on May 15, 2006, 03:06:00 PM
But all in all its just easier to get a Core next to your premium, flash that, and swap your HDD between the two depending on your needs, or get a memcard to store your profile is even easier (and less risk of dropping your hdd). Thats if you want to get the achievements to your main/gold profile.
vandalisthero: and hundreds of people have had their gamertags on display next to their pile of modified xboxes for years here. A simple firmware hack isnt the end of the world. Though I do hope they start banning from gold live because this hack will make modding/cheating super easy (just edit some parameters on your game image and have godmode!).
Post by: doobzilla on May 15, 2006, 03:08:00 PM
1. Has anyone thought about the basic LIVE services, i.e. downloading demos, trailers, arcade, etc. I for one enjoy the free services that LIVE offers and I also enjoy LIVE Arcade. I know, I know, "then don't use this hack!" is what I will be told. I just wanted to be sure and pass along what nobody else has stated. For all the newbies of course.
2. I highly doubt that M$, or any other development studio for that matter, will have any way to flash the firmware from Disc. Even if they could, why can't we just hack that file (unless its xex of course) and flash to our own firmware? Besides this, I don't think that M$ has access to the firmware through the kernel...yet.
I might not have some of the technical expertise that some of you people do, but I can't see how M$ could block this, or any other hack, for very long. Lastly, I do hope that the scene will continue to grow and prosper, albeit slowly. Too much growth and someone will be losing their civil liberties that doesn't deserve it, i.e. parents of the little children that use this hack to further exploit the gaming industry. I have much respect for many of the gaming companies out there, and I will continue to purchase their products. Keep in mind, this is only MY opinion and not necessarily the opinion of others. And be warned, do not flame me, it's not worth my time or yours.
Post by: Yid on May 15, 2006, 03:09:00 PM
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/241/drives8ke.jpg
I'm not so sure that M$ will be able to even detect that we have a flashed drive, ok if people have a game running that isnt even out in the shops is a bit of a dead give-away as they will see in their live accounts, and I doubt they would be able to stop it remotely. We are having to use programs and swapping drive from 360 to PC, edit hex and so on and in the future there should be adaptors out to make it easier, so how is M$ going to do this remotely through live ?
Yeah I think future games will have different checks to beat this, ala psp games, but I have my doubts as to weither M$ can stop this using any other method. Could be wrong though.
Post by: vandalisthero on May 15, 2006, 03:10:00 PM
Post by: HansiHusten on May 15, 2006, 03:12:00 PM
QUOTE(jaynigs @ May 15 2006, 10:05 PM)
This thread has conflicting info about which DL media to use? does it work with - or + media?
Thanks
Jay
i was asking the same.. hope some1 can comment that
i read only + works but i have a - recorder..
any1 experience?
Post by: frOOt lOOps on May 15, 2006, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: ipodder2003 on May 15, 2006, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: Spark on May 15, 2006, 03:22:00 PM
I thought I was fortunate to have a Hitatchi drive until today.
Post by: Joergen on May 15, 2006, 03:22:00 PM
-You only need to reflash the drive to read the security sectors from a game disc. If you can get the SS from another place then you dont ever need to flash your drive again after the first time.
-MS can do whatever they wish to the drive directly via the SATA interface just like we can on our PC. They can hash-check the firmware and reflash it. They only need to do the code, test it extensively in Q&A and release as an update.
Post by: Tfizzle on May 15, 2006, 03:28:00 PM
Post by: [email protected] on May 15, 2006, 03:29:00 PM
Post by: sinister slipknot on May 15, 2006, 03:43:00 PM
QUOTE(vandalisthero @ May 15 2006, 09:35 PM)
Thanks goes out to commodore4eva for his more than likely ridiculous amout of hours working on this firmware! I unfortunately have the Hitachi drive but will remain patient for the firmware to be released for that. My older brother had a sammy but his disc drive stopped reading discs a couple of weeks ago and he had to send it back. He's pissed now, because we figure that he's most likely going to get a hitachi back.
Yeah but anyways, does anybody else appreciate the fact that damn near everyone who's talking on this thread has their gamercard right on their posts? Seriously, you might as well have a scan of your driver's liscense in your sig. Don't get me wrong, I hope that none of you get caught, but think about it for a second. M$ has got to be watching this thread pretty closely right? All they need is to see your gamercard to know exactly where to look in their database to find your name, address, phone number, credit card information, etc. You couldn't possibly make it any easier for them short of showing up at their front door. I'm sure the fact that XBox Live is now so much more intricate (sp?) with the achievement points and everything else that you are going to want to flaunt your gamercard all over the internet is in a sense one of their security features. I know it's not technically a security feature but it's a good play on the stupidity of the human race in my opinion. I really can't stress this enough: you might as well have a scan of your driver's liscense in your sig! You guys are in the immortal words of Carlos Mencia "Dundanuuuh!"
And before speculation starts that I'm just an M$ spy myself, I'd just like to say grow up. I'm just another one of the numerous people in the scene that knows that they're here RIGHT NOW!
Theres nothing illegal about talking about the hack, or even doing the hack. The illegality comes in when your pirating games, and since a [small] minority of people (like me) will only use backups of their own games theres nothing illegal about it. What were doing on the forums is just talking about it, and that is undeniably legal, the right to free speech and all that.
Post by: feflicker on May 15, 2006, 03:44:00 PM
If my gamercard is "just like showing your drivers license", then tell me:
What is my, OR ANYONE ON THIS BOARD's: height, weight, full name, full address, birthdate, etc? All you can use is the gamercard, and you have to document how you got this information.
If you are implying that MS$ can get all of this information, well duh, of course they can. But they would just the easy method, instead of assuming that the gamercard in my sig is even mine in the first place. How can the "prove" the link, etc... I thought I was paranoid, but gamercard's? JESUS!
Post by: Magixx on May 15, 2006, 03:50:00 PM
Post by: xboxexpert on May 15, 2006, 03:51:00 PM
-xboxexpert
Post by: Shenlong on May 15, 2006, 03:55:00 PM
Can those with sucessful attempts post what SATA chip they are using? I would be happy to compile a list of supported chipsets/pci cards/bridges-adapters for the community, But I need some help first.
So please post what you are running if you have had a sucessful attempt.
Thank you for your time.
Post by: Mega_mil on May 15, 2006, 03:58:00 PM
QUOTE(zerodefect @ May 15 2006, 06:51 PM)
the only way the xbox can even talk to the dvd drive is through the firmware. whatever they can check we can change, there really isnt anything they could do.
There is plenty they can do. They can stick a routine that will check the firmware of the drive when you turn the 360 on. It kills me when people keep saying that M$ can't do anything about it. You can say the same for Sony but hackers don't have Sony on the ropes when it comes to the PSP. Sony has the hackers on the ropes. The same will happen with this.
Post by: mathius on May 15, 2006, 04:01:00 PM
Post by: Mega_mil on May 15, 2006, 04:02:00 PM
QUOTE(RolfLobker @ May 15 2006, 07:00 PM)
@Mega_mil:
As soon as softmods for the original xbox became available I modded several xbox' which, today, still function 100% even after all the dashboard-updates.
Also: when MS did release newer kernel-versions which rendered the previously used method useless it was only a matter of time before that was bypassed as well.
As of today -all- xbox kernels (original xbox) function 100% OK with softmods which have been available for years.
The currently used 'trick' is one of the oldest available.
Technically speaking the same thing can be applied when preventing the dvdrom from being flashed to a newer version:
Edit the firmware in such a way that the detection-routines from MS retrieve information which is 'false' and is telling the inquiring 'program' that it's an original firmware.
Extremely simple explanation
Past:
360: Is the disc an original xbox dvd?
drive: nope, it's a copy
Present:
360: Is the disc an original xbox dvd?
drive: yup, it's an original
Near Future:
360: Is the disc an original xbox dvd?
drive: yup, it's an original
360: Are you the original firmware?
drive: nope, I'm the 'hacked' one
Near Future plus a few days:
360: Is the disc an original xbox dvd?
drive: yup, it's an original
360: Are you the original firmware?
drive: Yup, I have not been altered or anything
(repeat the last two where applied)
Also:
Will MS be able to prevent you from tampering with the firmware for current (*) drives?
I don't think so. I believe that, worst-case-scenario, your drive will be flashed back original w/ future updates / games and then you just have to follow the same procedure as before to 'hack' it.
If and when MS released games w/ mandatory firmware flashes / checks there will soon be a way to get around this (read: adjust some files / the .iso before burning)
Remember some of the 'copy-protections' which some xbox (1) games have?
Like i.e. longer filenames (Matrix) and other checks (some games don't launch from hdd by default like Larry)
How long did it take before that was bypassed? Several days at maximum.
Check out the game-backup section of these forums and be glorified.
Of course MS could always ship newer xbox 360's with write-protected dvdrom drives or altered drives on which -this- firmware does not apply.
Does that change anything for the 360's currently availlable? no.
Will MS demolish all current 360's which are allready past production? no.
Will MS render your 360 useless with a message stating that you need to return it for 'waranty'? no.
I believe that most of the options which MS has are not feasable or too expensive.
At most they will slow everything down like they did with the kernel-updates for xbox (1)
Anybody remember k.5530? or k.5713? or xbox 1.6 / 1.6b?
MS slowed us down, MS made it a bit more difficult for some people, some people backed out because they did not understand it all. But they never stopped us.
Kazaa is a nice example in this.
Why do you think -that- p2p-program and it's users is the victom of a lot of lawsuites?
Because it's too damn easy for the mass. You want to stop the mass, not the individual.
If the 'scene' consisted of 1000 members each sharing the current amount of 'warez' and both you and me were unable to get in and there were no illegal copies availlable to the masses (read: easily downloaded via easy to use p2p-software). Do you think anyone would care? Do you think we'd have DMCA, ACAP, NASSCOM, BSA etc etc? Do you think the FBI would spend their time and effort into finding those people?
Personally I don't think so.
It's about the masses. If you want to stop the masses take away their tools.
This fimware is one tool which is -currently- not for the masses. MS ofcourse will want to prevent it becoming a tool of the 'masses' and will slow it all down. Thus leaving it availlable only to 'select' individuals.
All in all: I believe current 360-owners with TS drives have nothing to worry about.
If you want to make sure you have a 360 which can be altered, buy one now before MS builds in a barrier in newer 360's
Yeah but the xbox was not live-centric......it was an option. If you havea premium package.....they kind almost force that free live on you. This console gets updates like the PSP does. So this will be nothing more than a cat and mouse game. This is only useful if you have a core system that you will never take online, which I plan to pick one up soon.......
Post by: NEUROMODS on May 15, 2006, 04:07:00 PM
Post by: mathius on May 15, 2006, 04:08:00 PM
Post by: brywalker on May 15, 2006, 04:08:00 PM
Post by: Yid on May 15, 2006, 04:09:00 PM
QUOTE(Mega_mil @ May 15 2006, 09:29 PM)
There is plenty they can do. They can stick a routine that will check the firmware of the drive when you turn the 360 on. It kills me when people keep saying that M$ can't do anything about it. You can say the same for Sony but hackers don't have Sony on the ropes when it comes to the PSP. Sony has the hackers on the ropes. The same will happen with this.
No company has hackers on the ropes at all, what a stupid thing to say. Name one peice of hardware that hasnt been hacked in some shape or form ? Companies know their stuff is going to be hacked, they basically want to put in the best protection they can at the time to minimilise the hack to the hardware. e.g Damage limitation.
What did M$ do to the xbox1 when all the chips/flashes etc are floating about ? oh yeah, ban a few xbox's from live, wow. What makes you think 360 will be any different ?
Post by: Joergen on May 15, 2006, 04:18:00 PM
edit: wtf the word "in_clude" comes out in-clude
edit2: to the below Yid:
And similarly any utopia about MS not being able to control their own hardware and software is pure speculation so its a catch 22. I would bet my money on them doing anything in their power to prevent this Dreamcast-esque no-mod hack from spreading.
Post by: Yid on May 15, 2006, 04:23:00 PM
QUOTE(Joergen @ May 15 2006, 09:49 PM)
Well MS could just incorporate the firmware hash-check+banning in the dashboard update that in-cludes the live camera components. So in the future any game that has the ability to use the camera (almost every game I would guess) will DEMAND the dashboard version with the camera component = end of hack for new games.
edit: wtf the word "in_clude" comes out in-clude
Everything thats written so far of what m$ can do or could do is just speculation, any old wild fantasy story of what they could do is being written just now, lets just see what they actually do about it. IMO, very little. Same as xbox1 a few banned 360's from live.
Post by: Mega_mil on May 15, 2006, 04:28:00 PM
QUOTE(Yid @ May 15 2006, 10:40 PM)
No company has hackers on the ropes at all, what a stupid thing to say. Name one peice of hardware that hasnt been hacked in some shape or form ? Companies know their stuff is going to be hacked, they basically want to put in the best protection they can at the time to minimilise the hack to the hardware. e.g Damage limitation.
What did M$ do to the xbox1 when all the chips/flashes etc are floating about ? oh yeah, ban a few xbox's from live, wow. What makes you think 360 will be any different ?
Where did I say that nothing hasn't been hacked. Instead of trying to be an ass, read my post. I said that this will be a cat and mouse game. When hackers cracked the PSP, that scene was booming. But look at it now....almost dead with a new app for the old firmwares here and there, which are wayyyyy outdated. The new firmwares are slowly getting hacked but Sony has stepped up their game on the protection. The xbox 1 has poor security.....even Team X said the system security on the 360 is good.....which is why we don't have a chip. That's why I think this will be different.....
QUOTE(Yid @ May 15 2006, 10:54 PM)
Everything thats written so far of what m$ can do or could do is just speculation, any old wild fantasy story of what they could do is being written just now, lets just see what they actually do about it. IMO, very little. Same as xbox1 a few banned 360's from live.
Yeah but the big difference is people weren't PLAYING ON LIVE. We just had backups.....not backups with FULL ONLINE PLAYABILITY. This is why M$ probably doesnt care. Besides the fact that the system is dead anyway.
Edit: While I do agree that our opinions is SPECULATION, you can't make out M$ to be complete jackasses either. You know they have the means to figure out how to bypass this. If anything M$ might even make some money off of it.....lol
Post by: Yid on May 15, 2006, 04:44:00 PM
QUOTE(Mega_mil @ May 15 2006, 09:59 PM)
Where did I say that nothing hasn't been hacked. Instead of trying to be an ass, read my post. I said that this will be a cat and mouse game. When hackers cracked the PSP, that scene was booming. But look at it now....almost dead with a new app for the old firmwares here and there, which are wayyyyy outdated. The new firmwares are slowly getting hacked but Sony has stepped up their game on the protection. The xbox 1 has poor security.....even Team X said the system security on the 360 is good.....which is why we don't have a chip. That's why I think this will be different.....
Yeah but the big difference is people weren't PLAYING ON LIVE. We just had backups.....not backups with FULL ONLINE PLAYABILITY. This is why M$ probably doesnt care. Besides the fact that the system is dead anyway.
I did read your post again, I still cant see where you said this will be a cat and mouse game from the post I quoted you on. I think you should read again... and I'm trying to be an ass ? why dont you kiss my ass.
When hackers cracked the psp scene it was booming and now its almost dead ? thats your opinion. I personally think the psp scene is quite healthy just now.
Post by: cabose369 on May 15, 2006, 04:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Yid @ May 15 2006, 06:15 PM)
I did read your post again, I still cant see where you said this will be a cat and mouse game from the post I quoted you on. I think you should read again... and I'm trying to be an ass ? why dont you kiss my ass.
When hackers cracked the psp scene it was booming and now its almost dead ? thats your opinion. I personally think the psp scene is quite healthy just now.
both you two stop the insults before this thread gets shut down and locked.
Post by: Kafluke on May 15, 2006, 04:50:00 PM
Post by: Mega_mil on May 15, 2006, 04:55:00 PM
QUOTE(Kafluke @ May 15 2006, 11:21 PM)
Mega_mil are you high? What would make you say the PSP scene is dead!? Are you crazy? New apps come out everyday for the PSP. I have all the old systems emulated on my psp except for the obvious (xbox, playstation) Even N64 is nearly done. You obviously don't follow the progress in the PSP scene very well at all.
I follow the PSP quite well and these apps you speak of are just newer revisions of appz that have been out for some time now. The kicker is this. You can emulate some of the firmwares but you can't play all the games.....So there is give and take there....and Yid.....you can kiss my ass.....we will see in a few weeks who's right and who's wrong....
Post by: garlm on May 15, 2006, 04:55:00 PM
Remember some of the 'copy-protections' which some xbox (1) games have?
Like i.e. longer filenames (Matrix) and other checks (some games don't launch from hdd by default like Larry)
How long did it take before that was bypassed? Several days at maximum.
Check out the game-backup section of these forums and be glorified."
Ah, right. We could edit the xbe just like we can edit the... oh wait. No! You obviously can't edit the xex. Any copy protection/detection they make will have to be defeated via the firmware. Possible? Maybe, maybe not. But hacking the games obviously won't be. Modifying the files in the iso? Do you really think they'd in-clude a firmware file to be flashed, etc, and just leave it as some file on the disc that you can change? (to make it even *easier* to flash new firmware). Or, wouldn't you think they'd put the entire firmware to be flashed inside the XEX itself which can't be modified?
Post by: Mega_mil on May 15, 2006, 04:58:00 PM
QUOTE(Mega_mil @ May 15 2006, 10:33 PM)
Yeah but the xbox was not live-centric......it was an option. If you havea premium package.....they kind almost force that free live on you. This console gets updates like the PSP does. So this will be nothing more than a cat and mouse game. This is only useful if you have a core system that you will never take online, which I plan to pick one up soon.......
Maybe I didn't say it to you but if you followed the whole thread you would of seen it. Like I said the PSP scene isn't what it used to be. It's very limited now instead of the FOR EVERYONE attitude it once had. 2.60 is slowly coming along but until they come up with something that's a permanant fix (modchip) then it will remain a cat and mouse game. Same here....until I modchip comes out and completely fixes the security on the box, it's the same cat and mouse game of dodging updates.
Post by: Ti22 on May 15, 2006, 05:00:00 PM
I don't wanna play backup games, I keep all my games in good condition, I just wanna make my 360 region free!!
I am flying from the UK to Thailand soon and in Thailand they don't sell PAL version of games they ahve Asian region.
This blows, someone do a region free hack already!
Post by: Mega_mil on May 15, 2006, 05:01:00 PM
QUOTE(garlm @ May 15 2006, 11:26 PM)
"If and when MS released games w/ mandatory firmware flashes / checks there will soon be a way to get around this (read: adjust some files / the .iso before burning)
Remember some of the 'copy-protections' which some xbox (1) games have?
Like i.e. longer filenames (Matrix) and other checks (some games don't launch from hdd by default like Larry)
How long did it take before that was bypassed? Several days at maximum.
Check out the game-backup section of these forums and be glorified."
Ah, right. We could edit the xbe just like we can edit the... oh wait. No! You obviously can't edit the xex. Any copy protection/detection they make will have to be defeated via the firmware. Possible? Maybe, maybe not. But hacking the games obviously won't be. Modifying the files in the iso? Do you really think they'd in-clude a firmware file to be flashed, etc, and just leave it as some file on the disc that you can change? (to make it even *easier* to flash new firmware). Or, wouldn't you think they'd put the entire firmware to be flashed inside the XEX itself which can't be modified?
Exactly.......they make it seem like this is so HARD to do. I'd rather stick it out and way for a mochip with a switch. I'm still going to try this out but on a virgin 360 that's never touching the net at all.
Post by: flashfreak on May 15, 2006, 05:03:00 PM
Post by: Joergen on May 15, 2006, 05:03:00 PM
QUOTE(frOOt lOOps @ May 15 2006, 11:14 PM)
is there like one SS per game or is every disc different. i mean do like all oblivion disc have the same SS or is everyone unique.
I would assume every disc of a game that is from the same region and of the same version (language translation etc) ie is physically exactly the same. I dont think 360 games have any unique keys for each disc like the PS2 disc DNA.
Post by: sinister slipknot on May 15, 2006, 05:21:00 PM
QUOTE(brywalker @ May 15 2006, 10:39 PM)
Was there ever a Thompson or Phillips hack for the XBOX? I wonder if there ever will be a Hitachi hack...
There wasn't a Thompson or Phillips hack for the original Xbox, but i suspect that being down to most people having a chip, or soemthing simular and could just run copies anyway. The firmware hack isn't specific to one drive, it can be done on all flashable drives, besides the first DVD frimware hack for the 360 was for the Hitachi.
Post by: zerodefect on May 15, 2006, 05:25:00 PM
Post by: xboxexpert on May 15, 2006, 05:26:00 PM
-xboxexpert
QUOTE(zerodefect @ May 15 2006, 06:56 PM)
the firmware we are using has been designed to operate the dvd drive alone. it was not designed to report any firmware information to the xbox360. the firmware does have a check to make sure it is authentic, by using a checksum. this hack reports the checksum correctly as well as any other inquiry made to the drive. the firmware has to remain functional and with the hardware to continue working, MS really cant change it all that much... not enough anyways that we couldnt reverse it again. there will not be a way for them to stop us from using this. my bet is they wont do a damn thing about this, other then switch to a new dvd drive model and use a more secure firmware. it is obvious that MS did not plan on this exploit.
Agreed.
Post by: feflicker on May 15, 2006, 05:34:00 PM
QUOTE
And another thing is the Sil3112 SATA adaptors, these are mass produced and almost everybody has these, I got a 3112 onboard and also a PCI which uses the same chipset, don't get why these are not supported.
Apparently these chips, in the hardware itself, do not support IDE Flash operations. That is why it doesn't work. Also, I can't even get it to recognize the drive with the Sil3512 chipset either. It is a compusa card. I am guessing it is really a Sil3112 that they changed the '1' to a'5' just to keep it separate. Ugh. The other card at CompUSA is a Sil3112 by Belkin, so that is out the window. I had a Maxtor Promise-based card that came for free with a hard drive, but it just locks up the computer (it only works for hard drives, wtf)...
We need people with working SATA PCI cards to start posting some details!!!
Post by: feflicker on May 15, 2006, 05:44:00 PM
QUOTE
Same deal here...Sil3112 pci card. I've been all over town and best I could find was a Sil3114.
I have a maxtor 2 port sata \1 port ide pci card with a promise chip...doesnt work with mtkflash either.
Sure hope someone comes up with a fix.
I have a maxtor 2 port sata \1 port ide pci card with a promise chip...doesnt work with mtkflash either.
Sure hope someone comes up with a fix.
It's not like I can just upgrade my mobo either, I use Rambus RAM so I'd need to buy new RAM, etc. Also, my P4 is probably the wrong slot, etc, since it was the first release. I know it would be a nightmare, and I'd end up building a whole new PC, end up being around $800...
EDIT: What we need are some linux wiz's to whip us up a linux bootdisk with tons of support for doing this with virtually any SATA card
Ok, I'll keep dreaming...
Post by: asakal on May 15, 2006, 05:50:00 PM
QUOTE(PasPer2 @ May 15 2006, 11:38 AM)
Maybe Bill thinks that if he lets the hack circulate for a while longer before fixing the loophole people who want xbox live will purchase a 2nd system which will boost sales, therefore cementing the 360s #1 position for when the ps3 is launched.
I wont trade XBL for backups im afraid.
PasPer2
yeah, ummm... no
I could see how one might argue that regardless of how M$ sells their consoles, as long as they sell a crapload, that in the long run their market presence would cancel out the loss they take on the 360. Maybe.
But to believe that M$ is letting this run for profit is ludracris. HEEP HEEP WHOOP WHOOP I AINT PLAYING AROUND....
You are talking about people buying extra consoles solely because of this firmware hack. Do you really think that those people are going to buy original gamesn for both of their 360's? HELL NO.
Post by: 10001110101 on May 15, 2006, 05:56:00 PM
QUOTE(celicagt1993 @ May 14 2006, 11:00 PM)
you know, I do have to ask one thing (then later answer it)... if we can't share the links to this firmware, then why post it in the forums for people to descuss?
now, to answer my own question... we at xboxscene.com will not help distribute/so on and so forth with items that is either copywritted/protected/or used for other purposes besides for things that are legal...
please don't ban me for this, i just wanted to make a point.
heh, noticed you spelled Copywrite wrong.
Post by: Maric on May 15, 2006, 06:06:00 PM
I have to say myself that XBox live has left a sour taste in my mouth. I kept hearing how great live was and then of course I purchased halo 2 and was pleasantly suprised. But except a few good titles where Live experience is well done like Halo 2 almost all online games that I purchased have been nightmare playing on Live. Games like Fight Night and Madden are an utter joke when it comes to online play and is suppose to be next generation online experience. Seriously that online experience was pathetic that the few games that I wanted to experience online were just utter crap and definately not worth the purchase.
So as soon as they release a hack for my drive I will gladly risk losing the ability to play half assed online experience.
Post by: xecuterbox on May 15, 2006, 06:12:00 PM
I used my pc dvd-rom drive to get into DOS, and had mtkflash on an IDE fat32 drive.
Ill just like to mention anyone with via & promise sata controller
in order for it to work, unplug all other sata drives, the sata boot mode needs to be IDE not RAID - and via SATA BOOT ROM must be disabled, finally the disc drive must be connected to a via port not promise.
Post by: proger on May 15, 2006, 06:25:00 PM
Thanks,
proger
EDIT:
Nevermind, I could but a SATA PCI card
Post by: brywalker on May 15, 2006, 06:29:00 PM
Post by: piggymouth on May 15, 2006, 06:32:00 PM
QUOTE(leorimolo @ May 15 2006, 07:37 PM)
I second that, fuck circuit city first batch.
I got mine on launch day. I'm in the same boat as you guys.
*Waits for Hitachi Firmware Hack*
Post by: frOOt lOOps on May 15, 2006, 06:59:00 PM
Okay to summarize the hack you flash your drive, then you have to reflash it so you can get the security sectors off the discs.
I dont know about you guys but every time i want to back up a new game i buy i dont want to have to open my 360, open my pc, reflash the drive, get the SS, relfahs back to hacked firmware, then close pc, close 360.
I dont want a half an hour operation just to backup the games i own.
Now i see a shortcut here aslong as i undersatnd the SS's.
Now i dont want to go through all the hassle of backing up my games cause it takes to long. Some of us like to get 360 iso's in packs of 100/50 mb .rar's.
That stupid little statement above is your third strike on here for piracy related shit. Go pirate elsewhere
Chancer
So i am thinking aslong as you have the iso of a game (it must be NTSC or PAL depending on your region)
Once you have any iso of a game that is in your region can you use any SS? Is the SS for one game the same on every disc or is every disc have a different SS. What i mean let's take oblivion for example, does every copy of oblivion have the same SS, or does eveyr copy of oblivionhave a different SS.
Basically what i am saying is to avoid the hassle of backing up and getting the SS. if you have a proper ISO can you use any SS? like lets say you get a backup from somewhere else and get a security sector from somewhere else could that work?
I see in the future people starting websites that have SS's posted on them seeing that aren't even 1 kb. But are the SS's copryrighted code. Come on unsigned code i want flash fxp and XBMC and back up through qwix.
Post by: brywalker on May 15, 2006, 07:38:00 PM
QUOTE(frOOt lOOps @ May 16 2006, 02:06 AM)
Now i see a shortcut here aslong as i undersatnd the SS's.
Now i dont want to go through all the hassle of backing up my games cause it takes to long. Some of us like to get 360 iso's in packs of 100/50 mb .rar's. So i am thinking aslong as you have the iso of a game (it must be NTSC or PAL depending on your region)
Once you have any iso of a game that is in your region can you use any SS? Is the SS for one game the same on every disc or is every disc have a different SS. What i mean let's take oblivion for example, does every copy of oblivion have the same SS, or does eveyr copy of oblivionhave a different SS.
Basically what i am saying is to avoid the hassle of backing up and getting the SS. if you have a proper ISO can you use any SS? like lets say you get a backup from somewhere else and get a security sector from somewhere else could that work?
The SS is the same for the same game. Your NTSC USA Oblivion will be the same as mine. However you can't swap them. Ridge Racer will be different from Kameo.
There are already some SS files on usenet.
Post by: XBOX420 on May 15, 2006, 08:10:00 PM
all the in-clude nfo says the ts-h943 toshiba-samsung drive has to have the MN25 F/W
Post by: ViNCe_V on May 15, 2006, 08:14:00 PM
Step 1: You setup the 360 so that it connects to your PC via SATA PCI slot. Then, you backup your firmware. You then hexedit the Xtreme firmware with a key from your backup. You then flash the drive using the Xtreme firmware from the DOS bootup environment. After that, you can use this drive in Windows right?
Step 2: You use the tool(s) provided to read the SS from the original disk and make the SS.bin Then you follow the instructions and you end up with a burnt backup that will boot in the 360.
So, my questions are that you only need to flash the drive firmware once, right? And then in order to run your backups you just need to have them layed out correctly with the SS.bin in there too. As long as you only have to flash the drive firmware once I think this is still a great "exploit". I wouldn't mind spending half an hour making a backup as long as I can play all my backups without having to reflash my drive depending on which one I want to play. And FINALLY I can stop worrying about my 360 ripping my games to shreds. I'm still waiting on XBMC360 like everyone else, but this is a great step in the right direction.
I also have another question, does this hack work ONLY with dual layer dvd's? We can't use Xbox 1 games on single layer dvd's with this? I realize that "* Will not boot Xbox 1 backups made with Xbox1 605b 0800 firmware (maybe in future release)". But does this mean that if we backup an Xbox1 game using our 360 then we can burn it onto a single layer dvd and it'll work? Or will the xbox 1 game image be 8gb because of the backup method anyway? Any clarification on that would really help me out alot. I'll also give it a try as soon as I get this mod running later tonight.
Post by: jaynigs on May 15, 2006, 08:19:00 PM
1) I have sent the 4 CDB commands using DVDInfoPro, now im assuming i only need to save the output window after entering the final CDB command?
2) Then theres the next CDB command, which aparently makes the game data viewable. now this is the part i am at now, but im not sure what i am meant to be seeing? I open the dvd with windows after sending this command ( which i assume is cdb write??? and windows still shows VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS and no game data is viewable??? what am i doing wrong? or is this normal??
Thanks for reading
Jay
Post by: cliffy88 on May 15, 2006, 08:31:00 PM
Post by: DaddyO21 on May 15, 2006, 08:46:00 PM
QUOTE(cliffy88 @ May 16 2006, 03:02 AM)
I'm guessing there hasn't been any word on the Hitachi-LG drives firmware.
Im waiting for that one too , but one question if a chip ever comes out , the backups from my games will still work right? i dont have to reburn everything again? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Post by: brywalker on May 15, 2006, 08:11:00 PM
QUOTE(DaddyO21 @ May 16 2006, 03:17 AM)
Im waiting for that one too , but one question if a chip ever comes out , the backups from my games will still work right? i dont have to reburn everything again?
Who knows? You may have to reburn them. As of right now, with the firmware you do have to reburn them.
Post by: sinister slipknot on May 15, 2006, 08:15:00 PM
QUOTE(ViNCe_V @ May 16 2006, 02:45 AM)
Okay, just want to make sure I understand this correctly.
Step 1: You setup the 360 so that it connects to your PC via SATA PCI slot. Then, you backup your firmware. You then hexedit the Xtreme firmware with a key from your backup. You then flash the drive using the Xtreme firmware from the DOS bootup environment. After that, you can use this drive in Windows right?
Step 2: You use the tool(s) provided to read the SS from the original disk and make the SS.bin Then you follow the instructions and you end up with a burnt backup that will boot in the 360.
So, my questions are that you only need to flash the drive firmware once, right? And then in order to run your backups you just need to have them layed out correctly with the SS.bin in there too. As long as you only have to flash the drive firmware once I think this is still a great "exploit". I wouldn't mind spending half an hour making a backup as long as I can play all my backups without having to reflash my drive depending on which one I want to play. And FINALLY I can stop worrying about my 360 ripping my games to shreds. I'm still waiting on XBMC360 like everyone else, but this is a great step in the right direction.
I also have another question, does this hack work ONLY with dual layer dvd's? We can't use Xbox 1 games on single layer dvd's with this? I realize that "* Will not boot Xbox 1 backups made with Xbox1 605b 0800 firmware (maybe in future release)". But does this mean that if we backup an Xbox1 game using our 360 then we can burn it onto a single layer dvd and it'll work? Or will the xbox 1 game image be 8gb because of the backup method anyway? Any clarification on that would really help me out alot. I'll also give it a try as soon as I get this mod running later tonight.
On the flashing part your half right, you won't need to reflash the drive to play different backups, but you do have to reflash it to make it detectable in windows to make a backup then 360 compatible to play them, so its a bit of a bitch unless you have two drives.
Post by: tskraggs on May 15, 2006, 09:00:00 PM
QUOTE(j0ey @ May 14 2006, 09:53 PM)
Just like the psp... right? =/
Hopefully MS will release something to block live signin with this mod.
It's a nice mod to have but... if youre paying $400 for the system whats another $30-35 a game (used)?????
Plus you factor in the limited amout of "good" games... it's hard to get excited.
Shoot, I spend $35 for new games.. forget used.
Post by: ViNCe_V on May 15, 2006, 08:26:00 PM
QUOTE(sinister slipknot @ May 16 2006, 03:22 AM)
On the flashing part your half right, you won't need to reflash the drive to play different backups, but you do have to reflash it to make it detectable in windows to make a backup then 360 compatible to play them, so its a bit of a bitch unless you have two drives.
Oh, I see your point. While you only have to flash the drive once, you still need to connect the drive to the PC every time you want to make a backup of a game in order to get it's SS. So that's why it's such a pain in the ass. Alright, yea, this hack is cool, but for me it's not really worthwhile. XBMC360 where are you
Post by: cliffy88 on May 15, 2006, 09:05:00 PM
Post by: majik655 on May 15, 2006, 08:34:00 PM
QUOTE(cliffy88 @ May 15 2006, 07:36 PM)
Is it possible to replace a Hitachi-LG with a Toshiba-Samsung? I have a broken 360 with a samsung(dvd drive is good) and I'm wanting to put it in my 360 with a Hitachi-LG. Just didn't wanna take the time and find out it was a waste of time...
you must get the dvd key from your hitatchi drives firmware... then insert it in the samsung's firmware.
people have already done this and seems to work fine.
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on May 15, 2006, 09:19:00 PM
Post by: Magixx on May 15, 2006, 09:19:00 PM
Post by: m0s on May 15, 2006, 09:21:00 PM
Post by: rastiemon on May 15, 2006, 08:46:00 PM
QUOTE(m0s @ May 15 2006, 10:52 PM)
which USB Sata adapters have been verified workable?
I was wondering the same thing we should start a list of all working adapters/pci cards/chipsets that have been confirmed.
Post by: darthmaul on May 15, 2006, 09:29:00 PM
Post by: XBOX420 on May 15, 2006, 09:32:00 PM
my TS-H943 drive has the MS25 firmware not the MN25 firmware.
please help I really want to try all of this.
thankyou (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
(edit spelling)
This post has been edited by XBOX420: May 16 2006, 04:34 AM
Post by: Reaper527 on May 15, 2006, 09:01:00 PM
a disc was found that would boot up from dvd-r on the 360 since it was signed but the media flag was turned off. with this, people where able to fool around with it and make a flash player, change textures etc.
i see no reason why this is a "useless hack thats only for piracy", it may lead on to something better. it will give the xbox hackers the ability to attempt to find a buffer overflow/other exploits with the textures and other unsigned content on the disc (only the xex file has the signature, not every file on the disc). i'm not saying that something will definately happen, but at least this makes it possible to at least look and see if its feasible.
i think its a great step foward for the scene (and no, i have a hitachi-lg drive so i won't be using this hack) and think people should just appreciate the hardword that went into making it
Post by: jaynigs on May 15, 2006, 09:38:00 PM
QUOTE(HoRnEyDvL @ May 16 2006, 02:50 AM)
ALl i have seen from this is a negative outcome how 2 get pirated games working & if iit works on live. I havent seen any 1 atempt on finding bugs in the OS now or anything 2 try get homebrew working. You should all be ashamed of your selfs. Cant wait to get a Hitachi version out so i can strt trying 2 get homebrew apps working.
Isnt it a little early to be trying to get homebrew working? the hack has only been public for about 24 hours, im stil trying to fathom out how to make the xbox disc game data viewable lol, let alone anything else, if anyone else has that problem too then we wont get very far with homebrew.. not everyone is a pirate, i own the games i am trying to backup.
Its a new hack and most people ( like me ) are just testing it out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Post by: brywalker on May 15, 2006, 09:04:00 PM
QUOTE(Magixx @ May 16 2006, 03:50 AM)
Can we use the old method were we used WxRipper to Extract the games to HDD to get the SS key and then join the files and ss key into a working ISO? Becuase haveing a spare cheap DVD Reader is much easyer than using the Xbox 360 Drive for that stuff.
People have gotten WxRipper rips to work. They just inserted the SS key in the RAW rips and burned away. I personally don't know how to get the SS key from a WxRipper rip, but there are some keys already out there...
Post by: Magixx on May 15, 2006, 09:07:00 PM
Post by: brywalker on May 15, 2006, 09:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Magixx @ May 16 2006, 04:14 AM)
Well thats what Im wondering, How to get the SS key in WxRipper and then how to burn the files and key so that it works.
In the firmware package there is an isobuilder. You can also Hex edit them manually. The SS key has to either be dumped from the 360 drive directly using the supplied firmware, or you have to obtain them from illicit sources.
Post by: poisonousjuice on May 15, 2006, 09:17:00 PM
)is it possible to create a DOS CD Boot disc? if so, how would the commands to flash the firmware be altered at the DOS prompt?
Post by: jaynigs on May 15, 2006, 09:19:00 PM
QUOTE(poisonousjuice @ May 16 2006, 03:24 AM)
The only thing stopping me from trying this is the fact my floppy disk drive does not want to detect any disks any more (perhaps cuz I haven't used it in years
)is it possible to create a DOS CD Boot disc? if so, how would the commands to flash the firmware be altered at the DOS prompt?
i had this problem, just make a bootable cd and put ntfs4dos on the cd, then you can run mtkflash from your c drive. It also will save the firmware dump on the harddrive also.
Post by: poisonousjuice on May 15, 2006, 09:22:00 PM
Post by: rkkman on May 15, 2006, 09:24:00 PM
Jaynigs - Man I wish I would of thought of that 2 hours ago! But mission complete.
Post by: SniperKilla on May 15, 2006, 09:34:00 PM
QUOTE(jaynigs @ May 15 2006, 09:50 PM)
Ok, i have managed to flash my drive so it can be seen in windows, i have a few questions though..
1) I have sent the 4 CDB commands using DVDInfoPro, now im assuming i only need to save the output window after entering the final CDB command?
2) Then theres the next CDB command, which aparently makes the game data viewable. now this is the part i am at now, but im not sure what i am meant to be seeing? I open the dvd with windows after sending this command ( which i assume is cdb write??? and windows still shows VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS and no game data is viewable??? what am i doing wrong? or is this normal??
Thanks for reading
Jay
windows wont see it..
you have to open iso buster and it should report the CD size as 7.05GB after unlocking.. follow the directions and there will be 0 problems
Post by: sincitysaint on May 15, 2006, 10:21:00 PM
That would almost be worth getting a 360 for.
Post by: Cappadonna on May 15, 2006, 09:47:00 PM
.I have tried different booting methods. 360 on-cold start pc (hangs at load), 360 on-restart pc (hangs on shut down) all with no luck. Many thanks in advance to anyone who has figured this one out. Oh yea, MS25 FW, not MN25.
Post by: norinred on May 15, 2006, 10:30:00 PM
QUOTE(Cappadonna @ May 16 2006, 04:54 AM)
Need some help If someone can. I can't get windows to recognize dvd drive. I have Nforce4 chipset (yes, I used the NF4 patched mtkpatcher). I was able to flash the drive with ....0800.bin but now I can't see it in windows (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) .
I have tried different booting methods. 360 on-cold start pc (hangs at load), 360 on-restart pc (hangs on shut down) all with no luck. Many thanks in advance to anyone who has figured this one out. Oh yea, MS25 FW, not MN25.
Same problem here, im able to flash the drive but windows doesnt recognise it, i also have ms25 FW
Post by: LepPpeR on May 15, 2006, 10:33:00 PM
QUOTE(sincitysaint @ May 15 2006, 11:52 PM)
Do they really mean *all* xbox1 back-ups?
That would almost be worth getting a 360 for.
That would almost be worth getting a 360 for.
only the ones that have been supported (emulated).
Post by: doobzilla on May 15, 2006, 10:45:00 PM
If I write the firmware with the incorrect key, can I reflash the firmware back to its original state still? (my thought would be, yes I can)
Shouldn't my key be a little more random than just some b's and some f's? In that order too. (I don't want to post the actual key that its reporting for legality and sanity reasons, not to mention I don't want to get anyone anymore in trouble than they already might be)
I hope that I've helped someone here.
"Quid Pro Quo" if you know what I mean.
Thanks for any and all help as always.
EDIT: also, I managed to get a full backup of my dvd burners firmware. I forgot to hook up the sata cable going to the xbox360 drive. LOL@late nights.
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Post by: sincitysaint on May 15, 2006, 11:02:00 PM
QUOTE(LepPpeR @ May 15 2006, 11:04 PM)
only the ones that have been supported (emulated).
Ah, I figured.
Post by: PC_Arcade on May 15, 2006, 11:50:00 PM
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Post by: feflicker on May 16, 2006, 12:04:00 AM
QUOTE
NTSC and PAL SS's are different
Every pressing will probably have a different SS. That means the Japanese NTSC could be different than the USA NTSC, etc. Or the French PAL different from the UK Pal. It COULD happen, just depends on how many different discs there really are for the game... We need a good way to keep track...
Post by: Keshire on May 16, 2006, 12:19:00 AM
QUOTE(BlueCop @ May 15 2006, 05:24 AM)
who says you can't modifed the data before burning to disc. as long as the files aren't hashed or checksumed by the xex file. it should work
From the first post...
QUOTE
it will need raw/unmodified dumps (of same region as your console if game is region locked)
Post by: Pikkon on May 16, 2006, 12:39:00 AM
QUOTE(zerodefect @ May 15 2006, 01:42 PM)
i dont think there is anything MS can do about this. we have full access and dumps of the current firmwares so even if MS found a way to flash it back we could just reflash it back. they implement a new debug command or something that they can use to check that the firmware is up to date we could just make that patch into our hacked firmwares and reflash. heck we can even remove the debug commands used to accept the flash in the first place. then there isnt a damn thing MS cant do short of coming over to your house and removing the flash rom and writing it externally. personally i dont think they can even do anything about it.
Well they will ban your account from xbox live for one,and yes if they wanted to they could reflash the firmware and add more encryption,almost all the chips on the 360 can be reflashed thru xbox live.Keep in mind that MS know alot more about this than anyone here,and MS does read these boards.But what will happen is they will force an update,check if you have the hacked firmware,then ban you from xbox live.
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on May 16, 2006, 12:59:00 AM
The Only thing M$ can do & most prob will do is update there drives. & remove debug routines from these boxes will always be out there.
Post by: falconsfan on May 16, 2006, 01:04:00 AM
It just makes $ense (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Oh I forgot the IMO... LOL (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Post by: DivyX on May 16, 2006, 01:10:00 AM
Post by: bass4040 on May 16, 2006, 01:27:00 AM
>>If they do come out with a fw fix it doesn't matter if its retail or hacked its going to be re-written, the ONLY way to stop it is to cut a trace keeping reprogramming impossible, but then your going to really be getting into the PSP scenario where games don't play if it doesn't see this version # of firmware. <<
Post by: sgr215 on May 16, 2006, 01:34:00 AM
QUOTE(falconsfan @ May 16 2006, 07:35 AM)
Wouldn't surprise me if M$ sat back, drinking a martini laughing all the way to the bank while noobs run out and snatch up any systems left on the shelves... This kind of thing helps sell systems, ya it screws the developers, but do you think M$ gives a crap about them??? they have contracts at least the BIG names. They need the numbers at the end of the quarter, its a numbers game against Sony.
That's a rather simplistic way of looking at it. Who do you think MS have these massive contracts with? Game developers. If they were to sit back and say "at least we're selling units" the game developers wouldn't think too fond of MS. Needless to say, they might loose major contracts with hot game developers. If you don't have good games on your system, what good is the system? Basically, MS will either take this very seriously (probably the route they will take) or act as if they are taking it very seriously in hopes of not looking soft to their many partners who stand to loose money from this whole ordeal. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Post by: falconsfan on May 16, 2006, 01:45:00 AM
5 months later..... "Well, we couldn't fix the old problem, but we have fixed it in future consoles"
Developers have to have some kind of contract with M$ to sell a game on the platform, I can't say percentages, but you know they do... thats all I'm saying. I know without games the console isn't worth anything, but M$ main concern right now is the bottom line... They are loosing so much money per unit can they afford to take drastic measures and fix the problem now or just let it slide and fix future ones. Like I say will be interesting to see what the next month brings, I'm interested to see how M$ reacts to it myself.
Ah... I love the scene ... good times.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Bout time something new is happening though, I was starting to get bored with everything else...
Post by: Pikkon on May 16, 2006, 01:51:00 AM
QUOTE(HoRnEyDvL @ May 16 2006, 01:30 AM)
Haha MS cant flash every chip from live.
Yes I know,but alot of the chips are.I know they wont try to reflash the firmware,with an update or thru a game.But they could if they really wanted to.The only thing they can do is ban you ultimately.
Post by: pinkerton on May 16, 2006, 02:19:00 AM
Post by: XBOX420 on May 16, 2006, 02:28:00 AM
then tried KeyDrive v1.1 it gave me another key. flashed with second key i got and still same problems.
what key extracter did you use PC_Arcade ? I cant get my correct key. but when I re flash my orig firmware all is well.
Post by: PC_Arcade on May 16, 2006, 02:29:00 AM
QUOTE(XBOX420 @ May 16 2006, 08:59 AM)
I used KeyDrive v1.0 to get key and patch new firmware. it gave me one key.
then tried KeyDrive v1.1 it gave me another key. flashed with second key i got and still same problems.
what key extracter did you use PC_Arcade ? I cant get my correct key. but when I re flash my orig firmware all is well.
You can't use the key extractor, it doesn't work.
I just copied $4000-4200 from my fimrware with a hex editor and pasted it into the xtreme firmware at the same address
Post by: XBOX420 on May 16, 2006, 02:31:00 AM
Post by: XBOX420 on May 16, 2006, 02:45:00 AM
help Im willing to try all.
Post by: PC_Arcade on May 16, 2006, 02:59:00 AM
Post by: XBOX420 on May 16, 2006, 03:13:00 AM
Post by: nwo504 on May 16, 2006, 03:13:00 AM
Post by: XBOX420 on May 16, 2006, 03:24:00 AM
thankyou
Post by: PC_Arcade on May 16, 2006, 03:25:00 AM
QUOTE(XBOX420 @ May 16 2006, 09:55 AM)
would you be will to kinda give a little hex guide. I cant find $4000-4200
thankyou
What hex editor are you using?
$4000 is the address you need to start the selection at $4200 is the address you need to stop at like so :
(IMG:http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3750/hexcopying5dw.jpg)
Post by: OcnewB on May 16, 2006, 03:28:00 AM
I guess whats wrong is that when you now try to extract the key you are pulling the wrong key, or did you reflash your original (backup) fw back 2 the drive? If you did 1st backup your fw and reflashed your drive with that it should at least boot up your originals. However if you did not make a backup of your fw and did not reflash your drive with thwat fw you are
1. pulling again and again the wrong key
2. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
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Post by: XBOX420 on May 16, 2006, 04:18:00 AM
Post by: OcnewB on May 16, 2006, 04:38:00 AM
QUOTE(XBOX420 @ May 16 2006, 11:49 AM)
So what was it and how did you fix it?
Post by: jhonnypolak on May 16, 2006, 04:38:00 AM
My question is... what will stop pirates doing that and simply distributing SS with the ISO ?
Those will work then on anyone's system right ?
Post by: Spark on May 16, 2006, 04:54:00 AM
QUOTE(jhonnypolak @ May 16 2006, 11:09 AM)
Ok... if i undestand this completely then you need to make an iso of a game and extract the SS data from that very same disc in order to make a successfull and working backup.
My question is... what will stop pirates doing that and simply distributing SS with the ISO ?
Those will work then on anyone's system right ?
They will start doing that. You will also see patches released containing the SS for games that have already surfaced on the internet.
Post by: |vibez| on May 16, 2006, 05:02:00 AM
QUOTE(XBOX420 @ May 16 2006, 10:49 AM)
So does that mean that both version of the samsung drive MS/MN work with this hack?
QUOTE(alienmonkey @ May 16 2006, 12:22 AM)
Is the Pioneer 110D able to set booktype?
I'm not too sure, but I do know that my 108 automatically set DL+R to dvd-rom booktype anyway
Post by: ZakMcRofl on May 16, 2006, 05:03:00 AM
QUOTE(jhonnypolak @ May 16 2006, 12:09 PM)
Ok... if i undestand this completely then you need to make an iso of a game and extract the SS data from that very same disc in order to make a successfull and working backup.
My question is... what will stop pirates doing that and simply distributing SS with the ISO ?
Those will work then on anyone's system right ?
Nothing will stop them. And it will happen, in fact I'm surprised we haven't seen any "xtreme"-releases yet. I guess everyone is still figuring out how to make and how to play them. Or out buying a new 360 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
What we really need is a database of SSs for the existing releases. It would speed up things and save legit users from having to flash an extra firmware to dump the game. Sure you'd need to download them but if you own the game, you shouldn't have moral problems with that.
Post by: Spark on May 16, 2006, 05:04:00 AM
I was also wondering about the 110 though, because I havent had it for very long and I'm not too familiar with it, I only upgraded when my old 106 died.
Post by: PC_Arcade on May 16, 2006, 05:13:00 AM
QUOTE(Spark @ May 16 2006, 11:35 AM)
I would imagine Pioneer's would be to be honest, they're like the 2nd best drives after Plextor.
I was also wondering about the 110 though, because I havent had it for very long and I'm not too familiar with it, I only upgraded when my old 106 died.
The 110d sets the booktype to dvd-rom for +DL disks, I have the same drive and my backup of PGR3 worked fine
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Post by: Spark on May 16, 2006, 05:16:00 AM
Thanks man, all I need is a working firmware for my horseshit Hitatchi drive now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Post by: jhonnypolak on May 16, 2006, 05:30:00 AM
it has 16x dual layer burning, will that work ?
Post by: The Cisco Kid on May 16, 2006, 05:37:00 AM
I have tried many combinations between my 4 sata ports. I have been able to do everything but try to create my own backups because I can't get windows to load with the drive plugged in.
I have a DFI Nforce 4 Ultra Chipset
I have a sata2 harddrive
ANy help? TIA
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Post by: Lizotte on May 16, 2006, 05:39:00 AM
QUOTE(ZakMcRofl @ May 16 2006, 10:34 AM)
Sure you'd need to download them but if you own the game, you shouldn't have moral problems with that.
Not just no moral problems but so far as I can tell no legal problems either. That is covered under the fair use clauses of most copyright related acts. Given the damage the 360 did to my Perfect Dark DVD and the fact that I've spent somewhere near $1000 between just games that i've bought, I could stand to be able to backup my discs and not play with originals.
But I'm not taking apart my 360 to do it either (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: ajay79 on May 16, 2006, 06:03:00 AM
Cheers
Post by: SharkUW on May 16, 2006, 06:26:00 AM
Post by: |vibez| on May 16, 2006, 06:49:00 AM
QUOTE(jhonnypolak @ May 16 2006, 12:01 PM)
Hey i've got one of those Pioneer DVR-A09XL drives
it has 16x dual layer burning, will that work ?
It should do. Pioneer are infamous for not having a bitsetting option. But lucky for us, they always set DL+R booktype as dvd-rom.
Post by: nirbeltran on May 16, 2006, 06:50:00 AM
i followed all steps but i am unable to copy a game
i used dvdinfopro with the commands FF 08 01 01 but is see no change on the left side
i allso use isubuster to create an ISO but it rcognise the game as CD
not as DVD
i trying to extracte but is saves it as TAO
what am i doing wrong ?
can i use the dvdinfopro to create the ISO ?
no problems on getting the SS file bye the way .
thanks
Post by: Mega_mil on May 16, 2006, 06:51:00 AM
QUOTE(HoRnEyDvL @ May 16 2006, 07:30 AM)
Haha MS cant flash every chip from live. For them to do that they would need to gain access to your xbox (xbox live) Then have software execute that will read back all ur hardware settings. Then they will need to check if the correct info sent back was not false ( imposibble if u hack the responce back into the bios.) Then they will ban you from live ok yeh. But if they ban some won who is not hacked then big trouble. Force firmware reflashing from games or apps not very smart idea i can open my xbox then to get a new 1 even tho i already voided waranty i can put a game start the force firmware update & then turn off my box. Hahah drive gone massive lawsuit i win because they broke something that was working even tho i already opened the box.
The Only thing M$ can do & most prob will do is update there drives. & remove debug routines from these boxes will always be out there.
You do know that once you actually flash your drive you voided your warranty right? So how could you make a lawsuit when you were trying to bypass the security on the 360, which is illegal? I can't wait to see M$ reaction because this fix at the end of May holds alot of features people have been dying to get and it wouldn't suprise me if M$ put a little something in there for this. I think M$ would risk flashing the bios of the drive anyday. I mean think about it, they flash the kernal+the dashboard on each update. So what difference would it be to flash the firmware of the dvd drive. What's worse, the flash going bad on the dvd drive or the flash going bad on the kernal??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Post by: Questioner on May 16, 2006, 07:14:00 AM
Give it a rest mega_mil, what a buzzkill
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Post by: andyspof on May 16, 2006, 07:20:00 AM
Post by: sinister slipknot on May 16, 2006, 07:29:00 AM
QUOTE(jhonnypolak @ May 16 2006, 12:01 PM)
Hey i've got one of those Pioneer DVR-A09XL drives
it has 16x dual layer burning, will that work ?
If it does, burn the disc slow (2.4x is recommended) because people burning discs fast are saying that the loading times are longer and that the game is jumpy.
Post by: deakphreak on May 16, 2006, 08:16:00 AM
Post by: ebphondaprelude on May 16, 2006, 08:16:00 AM
http://www.liteon.com/prod/getProduct.do?x...d=1_7_13&pid=74
Thx
Post by: cerealkillajme on May 16, 2006, 08:27:00 AM
QUOTE(deakphreak @ May 16 2006, 02:47 PM)
So it seems there is a lot of missinformation. The official word says its a toshiba-samsung and there are many people saying its the hitatchi. it would be good to get this straightened out so people don't ruin their drives
This hack is for the Toshiba Samsung as stated in the readme in-cluded. The Hitatchi hack was done by TheSpecialist and is as of now unreleased, but I'm sure one will surface in the next few days due to the release of the Samsung hack being released.
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Post by: modz360 on May 16, 2006, 08:33:00 AM
QUOTE(poisonousjuice @ May 16 2006, 04:24 AM)
The only thing stopping me from trying this is the fact my floppy disk drive does not want to detect any disks any more (perhaps cuz I haven't used it in years (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )
is it possible to create a DOS CD Boot disc? if so, how would the commands to flash the firmware be altered at the DOS prompt?
for those of you who dont have a floppy drive like me and need to make a dos boot cd with NTFS support visit this site and u can download the image for a cd and just burn it with nero....works great!
http://members.aon.at/h3rb3i/page_2_1.html
Post by: n00bal3r7 on May 16, 2006, 08:37:00 AM
did anyone of u think that this might be an advantage for MS too , the people in asia , china korea japan at least , they all have been waiting for stuff like this to happen . 360 will go on fire soon with sales all over the world , i guess .
any news on hitachi firm ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
I might go get me a core but how the hell will i know what drive is in it , hmm or i could just replace the beauty until i get a samsung one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/muhaha.gif) , did i ask if there is any news on hitachi firm (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
what about the hddvd drive thats about to come , that will open new spaces aswell i guess , for this sort of a hack , dont u think .
well all the cudos to commodore4eva giving us something that actually isnt fake , all the cudos to u and people that are involved .
oh yea one more thing , is there anything out for the hitachi drives ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)
thx a bunch people , and stop hating , this might be BIG really BIG , friend of mine where i spended all night yesterday is still online with this firm on live , he doesnt giv a shit , cause he wants to know . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
hmm any news on hitachi front (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flamethrower.gif)
regards (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: Joergen on May 16, 2006, 08:43:00 AM
And if you guys cant read the sticker that says Toshiba Samsung Storage Technology TS-H943 then we cant help you.
Though I can see how Hitachi and Toshiba can be mixed in our minds. Both well known but relatively similar brands and names.
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Post by: Hinotori on May 16, 2006, 08:47:00 AM
Just one common misconception, that if I turn off the network it is ok... Is it ok, really? In the past, the dashboard was not running in background to warn you about your friends online, now it is.... Just start wondering what the dashboard can start do while running in background... You could re-flash your drive with the original firmware (or just have a switch to select firmwares) but still be banned.... They never did that in the past, but this doesn't mean they won't do... Like with the hard disks.... Everyone was happy saying MS would never check for that...
If you want to run the risk, ok, but don't think that someone saying that it is safe, unstoppable and you will never be banned is enough.... We have seen a lot of users being banned because of thinking they were safe when they weren't, it was just a matter of updating something...
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on May 16, 2006, 08:58:00 AM
i have a plextor 716a.
also, where does it say toshiba samsung storage technology? i have never bought an xbox 360.
Post by: Joergen on May 16, 2006, 09:00:00 AM
Post by: |vibez| on May 16, 2006, 09:03:00 AM
QUOTE(Joergen @ May 16 2006, 03:14 PM)
IF you boot from a CD you cant write a backup of your original firmware! Dos boot disc wont read your NTFS formatted HDD so you cant write it there either.
By the looks of it, these boot cds are ntfs compatible. Not quite sure if it means it can read/write to an NTFS formatted drive or not though
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Post by: thor99 on May 16, 2006, 09:04:00 AM
Post by: mksoftware on May 16, 2006, 09:12:00 AM
Most people probably have the darn Samsung ... I wish I bought the 360 a little later
Post by: Questioner on May 16, 2006, 09:18:00 AM
According to a good source related to this first hack, it will be out very soon.
Post by: crs7952 on May 16, 2006, 09:29:00 AM
Post by: Questioner on May 16, 2006, 09:43:00 AM
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Post by: zerodefect on May 16, 2006, 09:49:00 AM
Post by: Questioner on May 16, 2006, 09:51:00 AM
Post by: TerminatR on May 16, 2006, 10:05:00 AM
Worked for me.....if you are gonna be dishonest, might as well go the full mile. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
Post by: zerodefect on May 16, 2006, 10:16:00 AM
Post by: piggymouth on May 16, 2006, 10:21:00 AM
QUOTE(TerminatR @ May 16 2006, 11:36 AM)
I don't see what the big deal is, if you have a hitachi drive, simply buy a new 360 with the samsung drive and return your old 360 with the new receipt. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Then you have a 2nd generation 360 that is less likely to get owned by the blinking red lights of death.
Worked for me.....if you are gonna be dishonest, might as well go the full mile. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
How did you get away with taking something back to the store "Opened"..?
Most of the stores will not take anything back if you open it. Is there a exception for video game systems in there policy?
The other problem with this is you don't have any guarentee that you'll get a sammy or toshiba on the return. Or can we pretty much say that all the Hitach's are out of production due to disc problems report to $M.
If I knew that I could get a Prem system with a 100% no return hassle policy, I would do this is a heartbeat.
For all the trouble I have gone threw in the past in returning stuff, the Hitachi Firmware would be available before I could get the 360 back to the store and my money back.
Post by: kowrip on May 16, 2006, 10:23:00 AM
This post has been edited by kowrip: May 16 2006, 05:27 PM
Post by: Questioner on May 16, 2006, 10:25:00 AM
QUOTE(zerodefect @ May 16 2006, 03:47 PM)
yeah and who is your good source? our team developed our own hack before this one was even released, i think i know what im talking about. im sure it will only be a matter of a day or two before one of the other teams releases something as well. there is more then one team that used this hack sucessfully and im sure anyone over at the xbox hacker forums will confirm this.
Like thousands of other people, my source is the well respected and reliable http://foros360.com/ and its admins. Hardly pulling this out of my arse.
Post by: wfarid on May 16, 2006, 11:13:00 AM
QUOTE(johnnyrico @ May 15 2006, 06:48 PM)
too bad that they could find the MAc adress of the dude that way.
and wouldn't be surprised he made a mistake and posted an update of the progress from home once.
srsly, he should be careful now.
the orig xbox team indeed was bragging too much, but wouldn't be surprised MS will soon add soem dash code to check the firmware and if it is different from what it should be: WHAMBO: banned.
You can change your MAC address to whatever you want it to be... It's not that hard...
Good job to everyone who helped maked this happen. I'm excited to see what comes next...
And everyone crying about MS just need to relax. I'm sick of reading 200+ posts where some dude says how he's not going to use the hack because he doesn't want to get banned. Quit whining and don't use the hack, nobody is asking you to.
I'm hoping someone can just crack the signature encryption or figure out the kernal (im not saying its easy, or anywhere near the easy area). That's what would truly unlock the 360's potential... I think there might be a need for a 360 developer to go rogue...
Post by: darren_JJ on May 16, 2006, 11:17:00 AM
QUOTE(zerodefect @ May 16 2006, 05:20 PM)
i think you need to get a clue man.. if you talking about thespecialist firmware, it wasnt held up. he was just to scared to release it (or just wanted to be the only one that can sell xbox 360 mods hahaha)
He didn't release the hack, but release the info on how to do it, so someone like commodore4eve could release it. I perfectly can understand his and his team positions. In case you haven't figured it out yet, 'commodore4eva' is an alias for somebody else at XBH.net. The guy almost never logs into this account (in fact, he even wasn't online for the last 3 weeks). Why ? Because he only logs into this account on a secure line (different IP/MAC) and not from 'home'.
Of course nobody of the team could release it under their own names, because of all their postings they made (using their own home lines). And even if commodore4eva is not an alias for somebody of the team itself (but another visitor of XBH.net), the people you are flaming now are the main reason you now can boot your backups. So I think you should think a little better before pointing your finger at people ...
Post by: draken333 on May 16, 2006, 12:01:00 PM
QUOTE(piggymouth @ May 16 2006, 08:52 AM)
How did you get away with taking something back to the store "Opened"..?
Most of the stores will not take anything back if you open it. Is there a exception for video game systems in there policy?
The other problem with this is you don't have any guarentee that you'll get a sammy or toshiba on the return. Or can we pretty much say that all the Hitach's are out of production due to disc problems report to $M.
If I knew that I could get a Prem system with a 100% no return hassle policy, I would do this is a heartbeat.
For all the trouble I have gone threw in the past in returning stuff, the Hitachi Firmware would be available before I could get the 360 back to the store and my money back.
Walmart has a 90 day return policy on opened xbox 360 systems. I purchased a core unit yesterday, went in my car powered up the 360 to check the drive. DAMN! it was another hitatchi. SO i walked back in there 10mins later, and said i would like to return this. They were sorta stunned because i just bought it 10mins ago. I said, oh i didnt know this ver. doesnt come with the HD. So they just looked at the contents and were like ok, no problem. Such idiots too, they didnt even check the serial number, i could have replaced a broken xbox in there.
Post by: jamesrj on May 16, 2006, 12:16:00 PM
Post by: Joergen on May 16, 2006, 12:17:00 PM
Post by: DeaL on May 16, 2006, 12:25:00 PM
I've done exactly what's in the readme. I've managed to dump my firmware, but when extracting the key I get "BB BB BB FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF", which is obviously not my DVD key. I've tested it tho, but had to reflash it with my original dump.
Does anyone have a clue what could be wrong? Could it be the SATA controller on my ASUS mainboard? I know the reading and writing seems to work oke, but I'm not 100% sure since both tools (KDX and KeyGen360) gave me the same key result.
Thanks in advance,
Regards, DeaL
Post by: knightfall on May 16, 2006, 12:33:00 PM
Post by: TheAmazingXemo on May 17, 2006, 06:28:00 AM
Post by: norinred on May 17, 2006, 07:36:00 AM
Post by: piggymouth on May 17, 2006, 08:35:00 AM
QUOTE(TheAmazingXemo @ May 17 2006, 08:35 AM)
Just wanted to say: confirmed working on nForce4 chipset mobo using the MTK-NF4 mtkflash. Works like a charm!
SWEET!!!
This is the same chipset I have in my mobo.
Now all I need is that HItachi hack.
Damn it... I'd kill to have a Toshiba-Sammy.
Post by: mattyv on May 17, 2006, 09:23:00 AM
Manual screenshot:
Foros hex screenshot:
Post by: chr0ma on May 17, 2006, 10:07:00 AM
QUOTE(pash @ May 17 2006, 05:05 PM)
I heard you dont need mtkflash for Hitachi, i think it's easier to flash that Drive.
But i think Commo is not workin on a Hitachi firmware, he never anounced that. I hope some one else does.
SATIRIC ON:
Commo will be the remeberd as the guy who cracked the Xbox360.
Speci will be remeberd as a guy with no balls?
SATIRIC OFF
Yes, It's a shame that the people who have the Hitachi are probably not going to see a FW hack. Personally, I think the whole Hitachi thing was fake.. Yea all the info was out there to recreate it, so it just seems funny that someone comes along with a whole nother hack for a different drive.. If all the info was posted and it truely did work we would of already seen a FW released for the Hitachi by someone! The only reason Commodore did the Samsung was because that is the drive he has and from what I understand there are no plans on doing the Hitch and it makes sense if he doesn't have the drive.
So we get treated to fake releases, dangled infront of our faces to be told it's not going to be released and then get to watch a Samsung come out. And no I won't spend another small fortune for a second box in hopes that I might get a Samsung..
I know, I'm whining.. but oh well deal with it.
Post by: northernmonkey on May 17, 2006, 10:49:00 AM
QUOTE(TheAmazingXemo @ May 17 2006, 01:35 PM)
Just wanted to say: confirmed working on nForce4 chipset mobo using the MTK-NF4 mtkflash. Works like a charm!
what exact motherboard do you have?
Post by: quenlin on May 17, 2006, 11:57:00 AM
1 - The firmware works on only 1 of the possible 2 dvd drives
2 - There is no reliable way to purchase a 360 in a store and know without opening it which dvd drive you'll be getting.
3 - In order to copy a game, you must use your x-box 360 dvd drive hooked up to your computer, dump it raw onto your hard drive, patch it, and burn it on to a DL disc.
4 - This copy would only be playable in the dvd drive in which it was ripped. It is not possible to either get a pre-patched game from another source, nor is it possible to get a raw image that someone else did and patch it yourself. You must own the original disc in your hands.
Is this all accuarate as of right now?
Post by: chr0ma on May 17, 2006, 12:02:00 PM
QUOTE(quenlin @ May 17 2006, 07:04 PM)
There's alot of information to pour over, so i'm hoping someone can tell me if my quick summary is correct:
1 - The firmware works on only 1 of the possible 2 dvd drives
2 - There is no reliable way to purchase a 360 in a store and know without opening it which dvd drive you'll be getting.
3 - In order to copy a game, you must use your x-box 360 dvd drive hooked up to your computer, dump it raw onto your hard drive, patch it, and burn it on to a DL disc.
4 - This copy would only be playable in the dvd drive in which it was ripped. It is not possible to either get a pre-patched game from another source, nor is it possible to get a raw image that someone else did and patch it yourself. You must own the original disc in your hands.
Is this all accuarate as of right now?
1. Yes, only works on 1 drive the Toshiba/Samsung
2. Correct, however people are trying to find a pattern or something to assist in locating a Samsung. Most stores will let you take the unit back if you get a Hitachi. Just make up an excuse.
3. Yes, you have to to all the patching and ripping from a PC.
4. No, once you've extracted the Security Sector they can be applied from any machine. But it must be from the same Region. Region locking is still enabled.
Post by: kezor on May 17, 2006, 12:10:00 PM
QUOTE(quenlin @ May 17 2006, 01:16 PM)
I also noticed this from the .pdf tutorial that mksoftware wrote.
'if you did everything all right the Xbox 360 will now read all Xtreme back-
ups. When you need raw dumps and security sectors from games it will be
needed to flash the Xtrm0800.bin on the DVD-Drive, to do this just repeat
step 5 but with the Xtrm0800.bin firmware file.'
does this mean that i will have to use 2 different firmwares, one to actually play the copies in the 360 and a different one to dump the raw images from 360 drive to pc?
yes
Post by: mattyv on May 17, 2006, 12:37:00 PM
QUOTE(mattyv @ May 17 2006, 11:30 AM)
So I found an Intel MB (D865PERL) that let me dump the firmaware and reflash w/ 0800 FW. I manualy copy and pasted my key in a hex editor and saved the Extreme FW, but I also used the PPF patched Foros KeyDrive extractor and patched a hacked FW file by that method. However when I view them in the hex editor, the 4000-4200 section look different. Has anybody encountered this??
Manual screenshot:
Foros hex screenshot:
Anyone? Anyone? Did the Foros PPF patch not work so well?? Should people using it, not?
I know the original isn't supposed to work w/ KeyDrive v1.1, but has anybody tried it w/ their patch?
Post by: feflicker on May 17, 2006, 02:37:00 PM
QUOTE
The more I try to research this, the more vague it gets. It is or it is not possible to create a copy that will boot on ANY xbox with the correct hacked firmware? Provided the region is correct of course. Example : I take a game. I do a raw dump. I patch the security sector. I make the new iso. I burn 2 of them. does it work on 2 different x360's with the same patched firmware?
Of course it will. The SS is GAME SPECIFIC. The firmware SS location never changes, it knows where to look on the disc. Once you have a game disc with the correct SS it will work on any console, of the same region, with the hacked firmware...
Post by: feflicker on May 17, 2006, 03:08:00 PM
I can dump the ISO on my system, you can burn it and play it on your 360, etc. All that matters is the ISO has the proper SS set for the Xtreme firmware... Where is this confusion coming from? It does not state anywhere in the documentation that you can't do this?
Post by: TheAmazingXemo on May 17, 2006, 05:45:00 PM
QUOTE(northernmonkey @ May 17 2006, 11:56 AM)
what exact motherboard do you have?
BFGTech nForce4 Ultra
(rebadged Chaintech VNF4 Ultra ZENITH VE).
Post by: jamestownfinest on May 17, 2006, 09:04:00 PM
QUOTE(jamestownfinest @ May 17 2006, 08:14 PM)
Hey all, first post!!
I currently own a Hp Pavillion a1030n desktop (512megs, dvd-rom drive), im curious aside from opening the case how would I go about finding out if I have the prerequiste SATA connectors so that I will be able to get my samsung drive hooked in and ready to load the new FW?
Thanks alot, I would simply rather not open the case if theres a way to find out if I even have the capibility to apply this.
Sorry to bother, ive done some searching and im still unable to ascertain as to whether or not my computer will have the SATA connectors required for this.
Post by: RMF on May 17, 2006, 09:50:00 PM
QUOTE(jamestownfinest @ May 18 2006, 05:11 AM)
Sorry to bother, ive done some searching and im still unable to ascertain as to whether or not my computer will have the SATA connectors required for this.
If you're worried about opening up your PC to have a look inside then my bet is that your probably best off staying away from the firmware hack altogether.
Post by: jamestownfinest on May 17, 2006, 11:49:00 PM
QUOTE(RMF @ May 17 2006, 11:57 PM)
If you're worried about opening up your PC to have a look inside then my bet is that your probably best off staying away from the firmware hack altogether.
Your quite right... you know back in 1903 no one had flown before so WHAT where those idiots down in Kitty Hawk thinking??
Idk about you but im willing to learn new things, so sarcasm aside can ANYONE answer my question?
Post by: rastiemon on May 18, 2006, 12:14:00 AM
Post by: feliperxn on May 18, 2006, 07:31:00 AM
NO DRIVE DETECTED
Post by: vandale on May 18, 2006, 07:40:00 AM
Have done 3 games all perfect. no coasters.
Mainboards are what make the difference.
i have tried 3 via mainboards wit 8237 and 8237r, all dont seem to be able to unlock drive, but can still read and write frimware and see in windows with 0800.bin.
Cheers
Post by: feliperxn on May 18, 2006, 07:53:00 AM
Chipset
VIA® KT600 Chipset
- Supports FSB @200/266/333/400MHz
- Supports dual channel native SATA controller up to 150MB/s with Raid 0 or Raid 1
- Integrated Hardware Sound Blaster/Direct Sound AC97 audio
- Ultra DMA 66/100/133 master mode PCI EIDE controller
- ACPI & PC2001 compliant enhanced power management
- Supports USB2.0 up to 8 ports
VIA® VT8237 Chipset
- Integrated Hi-Speed USB 2.0 controller, 480Mb/sec, 8 ports
- 2 Serial ATA/ 150 ports
- 2 channel Ultra ATA 100 bus Master IDE controller
- PCI Master v 2.3, I/O APIC
- Supports both ACPI and legacy APM power management - Serial ATA/150 RAID 0
PLEASE HELP ME
Post by: knightfall on May 18, 2006, 12:05:00 PM
QUOTE(pechvoge @ May 17 2006, 02:29 PM)
Can someone PLZ, give me ONE name of a PCI-sata controller THAT WORKS?? That`s something 75% of you needs!
I have looked everywhere for a pci sata controller, i have bought and returned three now. There are some that are supposed to work, but most of them cost over $500. Your best bet is to find a friend with a sata on the mobo, thats what i had to do. Your other option is building a computer, it would actually be cheaper than buying the sata pci cards that would work. I hope this helps, if you do find a cheap one let me know, i would love to not have to use my buddies computer.
Post by: XboxPlaya128 on May 18, 2006, 01:12:00 PM
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16815124022
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817131163
Sry,
Post by: modz360 on May 18, 2006, 02:13:00 PM
Post by: kezor on May 18, 2006, 02:19:00 PM
QUOTE(modz360 @ May 18 2006, 03:20 PM)
ok ive been giving this a try but my pc hard drive is SATA so i need ot have that connected cause i dont have a floppy drive....im running a shuttle pc...so i made a dos boot cd and i get the mtkflash program to load but when i chose 2 for sec slave it gives me err:fail to open input file.....if i chose 1 then it says port: 1f0, master/slave:a0 and it just hangs there for long.....i tried leaving for 10 minutes and still nothing......
no you cannot make a boot cd, you NEED a floppy no other way
Post by: Joergen on May 18, 2006, 03:07:00 PM
You obviously CANNOT dump your backup firmware onto the write protected CD.
I used the floppy to boot then navigated to the hdd partition and did it from there. It's even recommended because your floppy may crap out during your flashing and then your drive is screwed. Plus the hdd reads and writes alot faster.
Post by: ViNCe_V on May 18, 2006, 04:04:00 PM
QUOTE
Image doesn't fit on destination Disc!
Space Available: 7222 MByte (53:42:46 Min:Sec:Fra)
Space Required: 4482 MByte (254:1:29 Min:Sec:Fra)
Pleaes select how to proceed
- Try to Overburn
- Write Until the End of the Media is Reached
So, I'm a little confused, maybe there is a setting I overlooked, but anyone else get this error, and if so, what option did you choose?
Post by: ViNCe_V on May 18, 2006, 05:02:00 PM
Post by: badbrains on May 18, 2006, 06:29:00 PM
Hey i am trying to do the backup process but i cant get the 360 to stay on during the process.......any ideas?
Post by: ThugPlayer05 on May 18, 2006, 06:33:00 PM
"Hardware initiate failed, Please Check Device!!!
The Bios does not be installed. Press <g> to continue!."
If I turn on the XBOX while the drive is connected to the PCI card it just freezes on me. Anyone got any tips. Thx.
Here is what MSINFO told me.
Name VIA VT6421 RAID Controller
Manufacturer VIA Technologies, Inc.
Status OK
PNP Device ID PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3249&SUBSYS_32491106&REV_50\3&61AAA01&0&44
I/O Port 0x00008C00-0x00008C0F
I/O Port 0x00009000-0x0000900F
I/O Port 0x00009400-0x0000940F
I/O Port 0x00009800-0x0000980F
I/O Port 0x00009C00-0x00009C1F
I/O Port 0x0000A000-0x0000A0FF
IRQ Channel IRQ 16
Driver c:\windows\system32\drivers\viamraid.sys (5.1.2600.430, 59.50 KB (60,928 bytes), 5/18/2006 11:54 AM)
Name VIA SATA RAID Controller
Manufacturer VIA Technologies, Inc.
Status OK
PNP Device ID PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3149&SUBSYS_80ED1043&REV_80\3&61AAA01&0&78
I/O Port 0x0000B400-0x0000B407
I/O Port 0x0000B800-0x0000B803
I/O Port 0x0000BC00-0x0000BC07
I/O Port 0x0000C000-0x0000C003
I/O Port 0x0000C400-0x0000C40F
I/O Port 0x0000C800-0x0000C8FF
IRQ Channel IRQ 20
Driver c:\windows\system32\drivers\viamraid.sys (5.1.2600.430, 59.50 KB (60,928 bytes), 5/18/2006 11:54 AM)
Name SCSI/RAID Host Controller
Manufacturer (Standard mass storage controllers)
Status OK
PNP Device ID ACPI\PNPA000\4&6B001F11&0
I/O Port 0x0000FFE0-0x0000FFEF
IRQ Channel IRQ 9
Driver c:\windows\system32\drivers\dtscsi.sys (, 217.90 KB (223,128 bytes), 5/12/2006 12:10 AM)
Post by: kezor on May 18, 2006, 06:35:00 PM
QUOTE(badbrains @ May 18 2006, 07:36 PM)
Hey i am trying to do the backup process but i cant get the 360 to stay on during the process.......any ideas?plug in your av cables
Post by: kezor on May 18, 2006, 06:40:00 PM
QUOTE(ThugPlayer05 @ May 18 2006, 07:40 PM)
I got the VIA VT6421 ( http://www.newegg.co...N82E16839125503 ) card and everytime I try to boot with the DVD connected to the PCI card it always just says
"Hardware initiate failed, Please Check Device!!!
The Bios does not be installed. Press <g> to continue!."
If I turn on the XBOX while the drive is connected to the PCI card it just freezes on me. Anyone got any tips. Thx.
Here is what MSINFO told me.
Name VIA VT6421 RAID Controller
Manufacturer VIA Technologies, Inc.
Status OK
PNP Device ID PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3249&SUBSYS_32491106&REV_50\3&61AAA01&0&44
I/O Port 0x00008C00-0x00008C0F
I/O Port 0x00009000-0x0000900F
I/O Port 0x00009400-0x0000940F
I/O Port 0x00009800-0x0000980F
I/O Port 0x00009C00-0x00009C1F
I/O Port 0x0000A000-0x0000A0FF
IRQ Channel IRQ 16
Driver c:\windows\system32\drivers\viamraid.sys (5.1.2600.430, 59.50 KB (60,928 bytes), 5/18/2006 11:54 AM)
Name VIA SATA RAID Controller
Manufacturer VIA Technologies, Inc.
Status OK
PNP Device ID PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3149&SUBSYS_80ED1043&REV_80\3&61AAA01&0&78
I/O Port 0x0000B400-0x0000B407
I/O Port 0x0000B800-0x0000B803
I/O Port 0x0000BC00-0x0000BC07
I/O Port 0x0000C000-0x0000C003
I/O Port 0x0000C400-0x0000C40F
I/O Port 0x0000C800-0x0000C8FF
IRQ Channel IRQ 20
Driver c:\windows\system32\drivers\viamraid.sys (5.1.2600.430, 59.50 KB (60,928 bytes), 5/18/2006 11:54 AM)
Name SCSI/RAID Host Controller
Manufacturer (Standard mass storage controllers)
Status OK
PNP Device ID ACPI\PNPA000\4&6B001F11&0
I/O Port 0x0000FFE0-0x0000FFEF
IRQ Channel IRQ 9
Driver c:\windows\system32\drivers\dtscsi.sys (, 217.90 KB (223,128 bytes), 5/12/2006 12:10 AM)
I haven't seen a PCI card work yet with this MOD
Post by: ViNCe_V on May 18, 2006, 06:45:00 PM
Post by: kezor on May 18, 2006, 06:47:00 PM
Post by: ViNCe_V on May 18, 2006, 07:58:00 PM
blank360.iso [259,646 KB] + game.iso [7,135,744 KB] + ss.bin [2 KB] + Image.dvd [1 KB]
I ran build360.bat and got a Image.000 [7,395,392 KB]
I then go to CloneCD, I click Write Image and I select the Image.dvd file. And from there I proceed step by step to through the following screens:
CloneCD - Select File
CloneCD - Select Write Speed
CloneCD - Error Before Burning
Also, when I select the second option after it gives me that error, the burn goes to 100% at like 24 minutes and then remains that at status "Writing Lead Out". This again doesn't work, and has resulted in my second coaster [so I have tried both of the options at the Error Before Burning screen and have gotten two coasters]. Anyone else getting this error? I have a BENQ DVD+R DL compatible burner. Here are my theories for why it doesn't work:
- I made an error when creating the backup
- My burner can't burn DL correctly (even though DVDInfoPro and everything else says it supports DL)
- CloneCD hates me
Somebody has to be able to solve this, I've tried alot of things already.
Post by: Darkness_au on May 18, 2006, 08:17:00 PM
Ensure DVD drive has been flashed with Xtrm0800.bin firmware. Drive can now work under Windows.
Insert original game disk into drive and wait for windows to detect disk change
Run DVDinfoPro
Enter the following four custom cdb commands:
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 08 00 01 C0
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 08 00 03 C0
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 08 00 05 C0
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 08 00 07 C0
This isnt explained very well for someone that has never used DVDInfo.
Thanks for any help.. Ive got the rest going fine, just need this explained to me, I cant find where to put in those commands ?
Post by: ViNCe_V on May 18, 2006, 09:05:00 PM
QUOTE(badbrains @ May 19 2006, 03:21 AM)
hey how long will the backup take...? it has been going for like over an hour now and it only has progressed 1%!!!!!!
For me to backup DOA 4 took a little over an hour. So something is seriously wrong with your backup. Might wanna check the cables to make sure they are connected tightly and also that you are saving to a location that has a good speed (i.e. no flash drives/etc, only HDDs). Also check to make sure the 360's drive hasn't shut off, listen to it to make sure it is still spinning (also make sure you don't have any scratches on the disc).
QUOTE(Darkness_au @ May 19 2006, 03:24 AM)
Come someone please tell me where the option is to do this in DVDInfo ??
Ensure DVD drive has been flashed with Xtrm0800.bin firmware. Drive can now work under Windows.
Insert original game disk into drive and wait for windows to detect disk change
Run DVDinfoPro
Enter the following four custom cdb commands:
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 08 00 01 C0
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 08 00 03 C0
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 08 00 05 C0
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 08 00 07 C0
This isnt explained very well for someone that has never used DVDInfo.
Thanks for any help.. Ive got the rest going fine, just need this explained to me, I cant find where to put in those commands ?
It's in DVDInfoPro, in the bottom left you can see a drop-down menu with the words "ADVANCED COMMANDS", click that and select "Send Custom Command". You'll get a pop-up, just do "I Accept". Then you can enter the custom commands there (start at CDB0 and work your way down to CDB5 then in the second column do CD6 to CDB 11 for the four custom commands).
Post by: Darkness_au on May 19, 2006, 03:20:00 AM
QUOTE(ViNCe_V @ May 19 2006, 04:12 AM)
For me to backup DOA 4 took a little over an hour. So something is seriously wrong with your backup. Might wanna check the cables to make sure they are connected tightly and also that you are saving to a location that has a good speed (i.e. no flash drives/etc, only HDDs). Also check to make sure the 360's drive hasn't shut off, listen to it to make sure it is still spinning (also make sure you don't have any scratches on the disc).
It's in DVDInfoPro, in the bottom left you can see a drop-down menu with the words "ADVANCED COMMANDS", click that and select "Send Custom Command". You'll get a pop-up, just do "I Accept". Then you can enter the custom commands there (start at CDB0 and work your way down to CDB5 then in the second column do CD6 to CDB 11 for the four custom commands).
Ahhh there it is.. thank you very much !
Also after I do that, and bring up the window to put the numbers in, what option do I pick in that window ? theres another pull down menu with heaps of choices
Thanks again.
Post by: panosvo on May 19, 2006, 03:43:00 AM
Post by: Darkness_au on May 19, 2006, 05:36:00 AM
QUOTE(ViNCe_V @ May 19 2006, 03:05 AM)
I backed up DOA 4 (NTSC), via the instructions (although I never got the error where I was supposed to select insert dummy sectors, not sure if that's a big deal or not). After I had the backup completed I have these files:
blank360.iso [259,646 KB] + game.iso [7,135,744 KB] + ss.bin [2 KB] + Image.dvd [1 KB]
I ran build360.bat and got a Image.000 [7,395,392 KB]
I then go to CloneCD, I click Write Image and I select the Image.dvd file. And from there I proceed step by step to through the following screens:
CloneCD - Select File
CloneCD - Select Write Speed
CloneCD - Error Before Burning
Also, when I select the second option after it gives me that error, the burn goes to 100% at like 24 minutes and then remains that at status "Writing Lead Out". This again doesn't work, and has resulted in my second coaster [so I have tried both of the options at the Error Before Burning screen and have gotten two coasters]. Anyone else getting this error? I have a BENQ DVD+R DL compatible burner. Here are my theories for why it doesn't work:
- I made an error when creating the backup
- My burner can't burn DL correctly (even though DVDInfoPro and everything else says it supports DL)
- CloneCD hates me
FFS after working out everything else, Now I get this problem as well...
Anyone know what I did wrong ? or how to fix it ?
Post by: geebee on May 19, 2006, 05:38:00 AM
QUOTE(Darkness_au @ May 19 2006, 12:43 PM)
FFS after working out everything else, Now I get this problem as well...
Anyone know what I did wrong ? or how to fix it ?
bitsetting set to dvd-rom?
Try in Nero too...
Post by: Darkness_au on May 19, 2006, 05:45:00 AM
Also I noticed after flashing my DVDROM with the xtreme firmware now when I try and play an orig 360 game it comes up saying "please play this game in an xbox360 console"
lol wtf
grrrrr
And yea, its set to dvd-rom
Post by: panosvo on May 19, 2006, 05:53:00 AM
Post by: Darkness_au on May 19, 2006, 05:59:00 AM
QUOTE(panosvo @ May 19 2006, 01:00 PM)
The messege in CloneCD comes to me only if i try to burn the image on a DVD-R double layer disk....
But you HAVE to burn it to a double layer.. so.. ?
Post by: ViNCe_V on May 19, 2006, 08:13:00 AM
Post by: panosvo on May 19, 2006, 08:49:00 AM
QUOTE(Darkness_au @ May 19 2006, 03:06 PM)
But you HAVE to burn it to a double layer.. so.. ?
Yes i have burned it with DVD+R DL with no problems(Traxdata), i will try Verbatim to, cause Traxdata dont boot everytime on XBOX 360.
Post by: knightfall on May 19, 2006, 11:32:00 AM
QUOTE(ThugPlayer05 @ May 19 2006, 01:40 AM)
I got the VIA VT6421 ( http://www.newegg.co...N82E16839125503 ) card and everytime I try to boot with the DVD connected to the PCI card it always just says
"Hardware initiate failed, Please Check Device!!!
The Bios does not be installed. Press <g> to continue!."
If I turn on the XBOX while the drive is connected to the PCI card it just freezes on me. Anyone got any tips. Thx.
Here is what MSINFO told me.
Name VIA VT6421 RAID Controller
Manufacturer VIA Technologies, Inc.
Status OK
PNP Device ID PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3249&SUBSYS_32491106&REV_50\3&61AAA01&0&44
I/O Port 0x00008C00-0x00008C0F
I/O Port 0x00009000-0x0000900F
I/O Port 0x00009400-0x0000940F
I/O Port 0x00009800-0x0000980F
I/O Port 0x00009C00-0x00009C1F
I/O Port 0x0000A000-0x0000A0FF
IRQ Channel IRQ 16
Driver c:\windows\system32\drivers\viamraid.sys (5.1.2600.430, 59.50 KB (60,928 bytes), 5/18/2006 11:54 AM)
Name VIA SATA RAID Controller
Manufacturer VIA Technologies, Inc.
Status OK
PNP Device ID PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3149&SUBSYS_80ED1043&REV_80\3&61AAA01&0&78
I/O Port 0x0000B400-0x0000B407
I/O Port 0x0000B800-0x0000B803
I/O Port 0x0000BC00-0x0000BC07
I/O Port 0x0000C000-0x0000C003
I/O Port 0x0000C400-0x0000C40F
I/O Port 0x0000C800-0x0000C8FF
IRQ Channel IRQ 20
Driver c:\windows\system32\drivers\viamraid.sys (5.1.2600.430, 59.50 KB (60,928 bytes), 5/18/2006 11:54 AM)
Name SCSI/RAID Host Controller
Manufacturer (Standard mass storage controllers)
Status OK
PNP Device ID ACPI\PNPA000\4&6B001F11&0
I/O Port 0x0000FFE0-0x0000FFEF
IRQ Channel IRQ 9
Driver c:\windows\system32\drivers\dtscsi.sys (, 217.90 KB (223,128 bytes), 5/12/2006 12:10 AM)
I believe those cards are for hd drives only. (like the maxtor card). My understanding is they wont work, or will any pci card for under $500.
On my previous post i meant hard drive, not hi def drive.
Post by: geebee on May 19, 2006, 02:29:00 PM
QUOTE(crivit @ May 19 2006, 09:34 PM)
Other question.
I magined to flash my Samsung drive and all went well there. Now I got heaps of backups which I downloaded over the months. Also more SS files 'game.bin' (2kb) popup. What do I do with these patches and what program do I use to patch them with.
Sounds kinda n00b, I know but I can't figure out if I should use 'Xbox360 SS Merger v1.3' or something else.
Hope you die hard xbox360 firmware hackers can help me out
thanx.
you will get banned talking about warez releases. Chancer is on the prowl.
Post by: Darkness_au on May 19, 2006, 04:47:00 PM
It must be the burners, Clone CD doesnt like them and doesnt detect them as bering a dual layer as it says it only has 4.4gig free.
Post by: geebee on May 19, 2006, 04:51:00 PM
The DVD Forum created the official DVD-ROM/R/RW/RAM standards and the DVD+RW Alliance created the DVD+R/RW standards. Since DVD+R/RW discs are not technically DVDs as per the DVD Forum standards, they are not allowed to display the DVD logo. Instead, they display an "RW" logo, even if it is not rewritable, which some consider to be deceptive advertising.
Post by: Darkness_au on May 19, 2006, 06:07:00 PM
Post by: ViNCe_V on May 19, 2006, 11:15:00 PM
QUOTE(seneros @ May 20 2006, 04:23 AM)
so now that i have gotten everything done and a few games copied and working, ive run into a situation. ive backed up tomb raider, and am using the build360 batch file, but it exits at the same spot every time and i end up with a file around 259MB. anyone encounter anything like this, or could it be the game? perhaps i did the ss.bin incorrectly?
Even if you created an improper ss.bin, this would not disrupt the creation of the Image.000 file, it would however create an invalid image that would not boot. The only thing I can think of is making sure the blank360.iso is there along with the game.iso and the ss.bin. In other words, after you're sure all the pieces of the puzzle are there, make sure you have enough free space. In order to get a better understanding of what is going on, instead of launching the bat file, go to Start Menu then click Run. In the Run Dialog box that pops up type cmd.exe and hit enter. Now, open up the bat file in Notepad and you will see it is only one line. Copy and paste this into the black cmd.exe window and hit enter. Now when there is an error, you should see it. If you don't see any error, then post back and I'll think of other stuff.
Post by: ViNCe_V on May 19, 2006, 11:56:00 PM
QUOTE(seneros @ May 20 2006, 06:44 AM)
thanks so much-- idiot me forgot to rename the .tao to iso, so it was building the rest of the file without it! it burned fine! although, i did just backup my king kong, and i got my first coaster (disc is unreadable error) whats the likely cause of this? bad ss.bin ? improper image? (bad rip, scratched disc, etc)
Most likely it is the a bad SS.bin, I'd recommend getting a SS.bin from somewhere else (maybe a friend who made a backup too, I'm not sure what X-S's stance is on downloading SS files from websites or if that's considered piracy, and that stuff). But anyway, yea, it is far more likely you have a bad ss.bin (compare yours to someone elses to verify you messed up), and if you still feel your ss.bin was made successfully or you get another coaster, then it must be a bad rip. This could be due to scratches, but that wouldn't cause the game to not load (it would just cause the game to freeze/give a read error when you get to the formerly scratched part of the disc in the backup game). In other words, the scratch doesn't affect the reading ability of the backup unless one of the main files is missing, in which case you can test this by simply putting the original into the 360 (if it boots, clearly it's fine). Again though, most likely case is bad ss.bin.
Post by: geebee on May 20, 2006, 12:57:00 AM
QUOTE(seneros @ May 20 2006, 06:44 AM)
thanks so much-- idiot me forgot to rename the .tao to iso, so it was building the rest of the file without it! it burned fine! although, i did just backup my king kong, and i got my first coaster (disc is unreadable error) whats the likely cause of this? bad ss.bin ? improper image? (bad rip, scratched disc, etc)
did tomb raider work in the end?
Post by: wiseguy109 on May 20, 2006, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: ViNCe_V on May 20, 2006, 09:06:00 PM
QUOTE(Darkness_au @ May 19 2006, 11:54 PM)
Hey ViNCe_V
It must be the burners, Clone CD doesnt like them and doesnt detect them as bering a dual layer as it says it only has 4.4gig free.
QUOTE(Darkness_au @ May 20 2006, 01:14 AM)
Yep it was the burner, I got a new Liteon and now I dont have that CloneCD problem.
I just got a new Sony dual layer burner and again I got the same error. I've set the booktype correctly and everything, but I always get that Overburn Request popup from CloneCD when I try to burn.
Post by: geebee on May 21, 2006, 01:33:00 AM
QUOTE(ViNCe_V @ May 21 2006, 04:13 AM)
I just got a new Sony dual layer burner and again I got the same error. I've set the booktype correctly and everything, but I always get that Overburn Request popup from CloneCD when I try to burn.
what version of CloneCD you using? You need the latest...
Post by: ViNCe_V on May 21, 2006, 09:52:00 AM
QUOTE(wiseguy109 @ May 20 2006, 08:40 PM)
I finally found a sata pci card that works. It has a vt6421l controller. All you have to do is use a hex edited mtkflash and update the drivers for the card to 520c.
Have you actually gotten this PCI card to succesfully read/write firmware?
QUOTE(geebee @ May 21 2006, 08:40 AM)
what version of CloneCD you using? You need the latest...
I am using v5.2.8.1 which I believe is the latest version. I have no idea what's wrong, is there any other program that can burn these images?
Post by: ViNCe_V on May 21, 2006, 11:29:00 AM
Post by: geebee on May 21, 2006, 12:44:00 PM
QUOTE(Axfong @ May 21 2006, 07:25 PM)
hi, i have flash the xtrm0800.bin, then plug in the ide HD, reboot, it will feeze in the sata screen. otherwise if i turn off the xbox, it boots fine.but xp don't see the drive. what am i doing wrong? help please!
eject the xbox drive when it freezes...works for me!
Post by: psychok on May 23, 2006, 01:24:00 AM
my motherboard is asus p5wd2 .... i try the nforce method master slave....
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QUOTE(Blackjackz @ Nov 17 2007, 03:26 AM)
Is there no download link?
lol.. I can't believe you just bumped a thread that is a year old..
find your answers here
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I want it now.IF M$ finally allow xvid in the fall update my Xbox1 will be retired.