Post by: FloDSeL1985 on February 09, 2006, 01:27:00 AM
Posted by greg
source: xboxhacker
Looks like Thespecialist was able to successfully boot a backed up DVD on an original Xbox without any modchip or softmod - just using custom hacked firmware for the 8050L dvd-rom drive. The great news is the GDR3120 drive (in the Xbox360) runs a similar firmware version. This may open up a few possibilities!
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Let`s hope this could happen!
if the firmware is really similiar then the possibility would be big that we could do the same to the 360!
what would that mean on XBL ? since you arent using any kind of chip/software exploit.
just the DVD drive hack.
Does X360 check its DVD drive for any changes or modifications to the firmware? if not, this could be a great oppurtunity
GreetinZ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif)
Post by: PC_Arcade on February 09, 2006, 01:49:00 AM
As opposed to regurgitatiting week old news, and starting another thread on it when there's a perfectly good on already)
Post by: FloDSeL1985 on February 09, 2006, 01:59:00 AM
QUOTE(PC_Arcade @ Feb 9 2006, 09:56 AM) 
breakthough
QUOTE(PC_Arcade @ Feb 9 2006, 09:56 AM)
perfectly good on already
spelling you said ?
Post by: sameatshamhaha on February 09, 2006, 02:48:00 AM
Post by: mksoftware on February 09, 2006, 02:23:00 AM
QUOTE(FloDSeL1985 @ Feb 9 2006, 10:06 AM)
spelling you said ?
LMAO
Post by: lordvader129 on February 09, 2006, 12:25:00 PM
Post by: ravenslayer on February 09, 2006, 12:43:00 PM
QUOTE(FloDSeL1985 @ Feb 9 2006, 08:58 AM) 
Xbox DVD Firmware Hacked
Posted by greg
source: xboxhacker
Looks like Thespecialist was able to successfully boot a backed up DVD on an original Xbox without any modchip or softmod - just using custom hacked firmware for the 8050L dvd-rom drive. The great news is the GDR3120 drive (in the Xbox360) runs a similar firmware version. This may open up a few possibilities!
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Let`s hope this could happen!
if the firmware is really similiar then the possibility would be big that we could do the same to the 360!
what would that mean on XBL ? since you arent using any kind of chip/software exploit.
just the DVD drive hack.
Does X360 check its DVD drive for any changes or modifications to the firmware? if not, this could be a great oppurtunity
GreetinZ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif)
Zijn alle hollanders zo traag als u?
Dit nieuws is al enkele weken oud
translation : old news
Post by: krayzie on February 09, 2006, 12:38:00 PM
QUOTE(ravenslayer @ Feb 9 2006, 08:14 PM)
Zijn alle hollanders zo traag als u?
nee, houden alle Belgen van herhalen?
Post by: C o s m o on February 09, 2006, 01:17:00 PM
QUOTE(krayzie @ Feb 9 2006, 01:45 PM)
nee, houden alle Belgen van herhalen?
What does Halle Berry have to do with it?
(I'm sorry)
Post by: PC_Arcade on February 09, 2006, 02:25:00 PM
QUOTE(FloDSeL1985 @ Feb 9 2006, 09:06 AM)
spelling you said ?
oops (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
Post by: TheSpecialist on February 09, 2006, 08:17:00 PM
However, this time it's not the 'security' (is there any ?
) in the FW that's preventing the 360 from being hacked, it's the legal threat to hackers. I *KNOW* that there must be someone already who's got his 360 FW modded to run backups, there are so many talented hackers in the scene, somebody must have done it already. But this time, it's something else compared to the way the original xbox got hacked (running unsigned code). A FW hack can *only* be used to run backups and the previous xbox hack could be used to run homebrew, so that's a BIG legal difference. So, this time it is the legal system that is preventing a hack getting released. Well, maybe there's someone out there who wants to risk getting himself into all the trouble like 'DVD John' got into, for example, by releasing his 'DeCSS' (the guy was thrown into prison and I believe he's still getting sued). He's a 'free' man again, but I think nobody wants to go through what he went ...We'll see what happens .... But again, I just can't believe MS
And about MS thinking of a patch: I am afraid for them there ain't much they can do ... I would be VERY surprised if there was code in the drive apart from the FW. Meaning that EVERY patch they can come up with, can be hacked again. If they run a checksum, somebody could just mod it to always come up with the 'right' answer As for me, no, don't expect more work on the xbox/360 from me, I've had my fun
Hey Krazie, wist niet dat jij een Nederlander was, leuk om te zien dat NL goed vertegenwoordigd is in the scene
TS
Post by: krayzie on February 09, 2006, 10:39:00 PM
And with the media flag altered we DO have exceeded a limitation which will allow us to edit files so we can look into flaws in games etc to see to get a full hack going in some way.
p.s. Ja ik zie idd steeds meer en meer nl's verschijnen in de scene. Goeie ontwikkeling (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
This post has been edited by krayzie: Feb 10 2006, 06:48 AM
Post by: skyhi on February 09, 2006, 10:57:00 PM
QUOTE(TheSpecialist @ Feb 10 2006, 04:24 AM)
A FW hack can *only* be used to run backups and the previous xbox hack could be used to run homebrew, so that's a BIG legal difference. So, this time it is the legal system that is preventing a hack getting released. Well, maybe there's someone out there who wants to risk getting himself into all the trouble like 'DVD John' got into, for example, by releasing his 'DeCSS' (the guy was thrown into prison and I believe He's still getting sued). He's a 'free' man again, but I think nobody wants to go through what he went ...
First of all - BIG Kudos to TS!! (And all involved) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
I know how it must have felt to get as far as you did but then hit that wall of realization - this could spell big trouble!
What if a document was released that just basically states what code needs to be modified in the firmware to run one's backups? I mean there are legitimate reasons for wanting to backup/play your own copies of your games. I'm forever having to get our games 'polished' to remove scratches to make them playable again (kids will be kids) and in some cases have not succeeded in getting a workable copy again!
I guess what I'm saying is what is wrong with dumping your own firmware, making whatever changes you want to it and loading it back into your own drive?
I have been following the posts at XBH from the beginning with great admiration for all that everyone has accomplished! I am a hacker from way back - C64 days myself. I've always made backups right from the beginning of the Commodore years.
As for this 'hack' only being able to run backups - I wonder if this is really so..
I mean - the hack will let your backup run because the firmware lets the burned media load into the xbox - the executionables are still signed so the box will run the program..
But it is only the executionables that are signed meaning would it not be possible to exploit the rest of the game data to perhaps take over and run one's own code? I'm no expert at coding but I've got to think there must be a way to do this. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
Again what it truly wrong with running one's own code on one's own box? And now that it is possible to dump the firmware with debug commands this seem just right for the home hackers.
I do not own a 360 yet but it is starting to look like I'll be making the purchase soon!
TS - sorry to hear you are 'retiring' although I doubt a true hacker ever retires (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Post by: mrbelvedere on February 10, 2006, 12:46:00 AM
Post by: FloDSeL1985 on February 10, 2006, 01:14:00 AM
QUOTE(ravenslayer @ Feb 9 2006, 08:14 PM)
Zijn alle hollanders zo traag als u?
Dit nieuws is al enkele weken oud
translation : old news
Nee , sommige nederlanders hebben meer dingen te doen dan 24/7 achter hun pctje hangen om de laatste nieuwtjes te weten.
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To bad that the law is stopping us... but there will be someone to release something... there always is,
but i`m patient so ì'm not in a rush.
@ TS
Jij nederlands ?
voelt goed om te weten dat we hier ook mensen met verstand hebben en niet alleen zeurende kinderen met "waneer komt er nou een chip?" dat soort onzinik heb respect voor je werk ! keep it up
Rolater
Post by: PedrosPad on February 10, 2006, 03:03:00 AM
QUOTE(krayzie @ Feb 10 2006, 07:10 AM)
And with the media flag altered we DO have exceeded a limitation which will allow us to edit files so we can look into flaws in games etc to see to get a full hack going in some way.
Very true. Just look at what was achieved using the Kiosk disk - WMV-HD video playback, & the start of a Flash game homebrew scene.
Even if it doesn't lead to a full exploit, running game backups would facilitate home designed levels, re-skinned and custom characters, etc. All healthy fun.
Post by: Reaper527 on February 11, 2006, 09:12:00 PM
QUOTE(krayzie @ Feb 10 2006, 12:10 AM)
Well if people are afraid to get sued for releasing some hack why don't just spread it anonimously. With all the hacks around in all kinds of scenes i doubt this would be a barrier.
that would be great to see a patcher on xbins from an "anonymous" source, hopefully this or something like it will see the light of day some time in the future. BTW, great work on what you've done specialist, even if you don't release it, you've still proven that it could be done, which is always a step in the right direction.
Post by: dong2che on February 11, 2006, 09:34:00 PM
Post by: Reaper527 on February 12, 2006, 04:45:00 PM
QUOTE(dong2che @ Feb 11 2006, 11:41 PM)
i just hope someone comes up with a hack that will allow the 360 to be region free
i'm pretty sure some games are. just not all of them. i remember reading that cod2 and condemned are both region free.
Post by: lordvader129 on February 14, 2006, 10:51:00 AM
QUOTE(pw0ned @ Feb 14 2006, 06:55 AM)
@ TS
so first you where eager to hack the xbox360 dvd drive firmware and now suddenly you back off ? seems very fishy to me
ofcourse it is youre right to do that but you should be honest about it., its very clear that some mod chip team have offered you money to back off or to join theire team.well as he said, the xbox1 mods could be argued that they are used for legal homebrew code, a fw hack can *ONLY* be used as a circumvention of copy protection, read your DMCA and youll find that circumventing copy protection is illegal, and this soon after 360s release you can bet MS will prosecute to the fullest
Post by: crsnwby on February 14, 2006, 12:19:00 PM
Give me your work I will release it, then they can try prosecute me for messing around with my OWN xbox I can do what I want the law cant stop you dissasembling your own stuff..
As soon as its bought its yours you can do with it what you want.
If the info was to magically appear on a site somewhere posted from an internet cafe then how can they find who put it up?
The reason hes backed off is more likely mod chip teams have paid him off or managed to get him on there side. can u imagine how much cash xecuter will loose if a SW hack is released
Post by: lordvader129 on February 14, 2006, 12:33:00 PM
i doubt any chip team would pay him off, no one paid off any softmodders to TSOPers for xbox 1, besides, the fw hack doesnt let you run homebrew, personally im not interested in backups as much as emulators and xbmc, so his hack is worthless to me and alot of other people im sure
Post by: crsnwby on February 14, 2006, 12:40:00 PM
Post by: deadparrot on February 14, 2006, 12:46:00 PM
QUOTE(crsnwby @ Feb 14 2006, 07:47 PM)
Nah see im the opposite im not bothered about the homebrew although its nice to have im not fussed but it usually comes in conjunction with any mod chips or hacks. I just dont like spending 50 notes on games only to find out there pants...
You're saying that all you are interested in is piracy?
Post by: crsnwby on February 14, 2006, 12:47:00 PM
Post by: lordvader129 on February 14, 2006, 02:11:00 PM
QUOTE(deadparrot @ Feb 14 2006, 01:53 PM)
You're saying that all you are interested in is piracy?
yeah, i think thats what hes saying
Post by: pw0ned on February 15, 2006, 03:33:00 AM
QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Feb 14 2006, 08:40 PM)
if he gives you his research MS wills till go after him because he released the research
i doubt any chip team would pay him off, no one paid off any softmodders to TSOPers for xbox 1, besides, the fw hack doesnt let you run homebrew, personally im not interested in backups as much as emulators and xbmc, so his hack is worthless to me and alot of other people im sure
TS was researched the xbox1 dvd firmware to get better knowlegde for hacking the xbox360 cause drives are similar that was the reason in the first place. and now suddenly he is not interested in hacking 360 firmware anymore HA
no doubt that he got some money from an mod chip group!.
Post by: Chancer on February 15, 2006, 04:05:00 AM
It turned into Flame fest and Pirates of the Xbox.
Full reasons for TS descisions were given then and people should respect that.
Here is the original link http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=485747