Post by: illicitx on December 27, 2005, 11:44:00 PM
Post by: illicitx on December 27, 2005, 11:55:00 PM
only problem im having at the moment is I need to get the actual size of the original swf files because the scaling/centering isnt correct. Ill try to pull that out of the headers.
This post has been edited by illicitx: Dec 28 2005, 07:59 AM
Post by: illicitx on December 28, 2005, 12:14:00 AM
Width 1280
Height 720
FPS 60
SWF Version 6 (This launcher can also launch v7 swf's)
more as It comes...
animations are working, im going to test out the new settings and look for a better way to zlib compress. currently im using a demo of a flash optimizer that converts the file to black and white when you edit it which isnt too much fun
Post by: enixn on December 28, 2005, 12:16:00 AM
Post by: genecyber on December 28, 2005, 12:17:00 AM
Also Try the demo of Swishmax! It has some nice effects. It would be neat to make a cool scene intro using flash. Not exactly a hax0red 360 but technically it is unsigned code.
This post has been edited by genecyber: Dec 28 2005, 08:19 AM
Post by: CancerBoy on December 28, 2005, 12:22:00 AM
Post by: illicitx on December 28, 2005, 12:24:00 AM
Post by: illicitx on December 28, 2005, 12:56:00 AM
QUOTE(genecyber @ Dec 28 2005, 08:24 AM) 
How big is your iso? What have you ripped? And can you launch just the swf app from a cdr? I am thinking of maybe a few meg iso burnt to cdr to make testing quick?
Also Try the demo of Swishmax! It has some nice effects. It would be neat to make a cool scene intro using flash. Not exactly a hax0red 360 but technically it is unsigned code.
my iso is standard size at the moment, i just have the other demos ripped, Im gonna experiment some more with making it just the helix demo
*edit* no luck with just hexic on the cd. Ill experiment more early tomorrow. gotta get some sleep. this has been fun. Use all my specs stated above and you can try this out for yourself.
This post has been edited by illicitx: Dec 28 2005, 09:02 AM
Post by: Guerrilla on December 28, 2005, 01:30:00 AM
dont know if this is possible in any way but just wondering...
Post by: jizmo on December 28, 2005, 02:04:00 AM
Flash web browser is kind of pushing it, but flash does infact have access to the network, so some kind of things are possible here. There are already some messengers available, for example. It's pretty much a question of what ports are open from x360 and if you get your x360 to communicate with other computers trough that port.
I don't have access to the kiosk disk, but those who have may want to have their access to Live! firewalled shut - somehow I smell patch coming to disable all this fun pretty soon.
Post by: conc3pt on December 28, 2005, 03:13:00 AM
Post by: Arakon on December 28, 2005, 05:26:00 AM
I had tried 2 flash files, one being alien hominid, the other being the "maze" sample from macromedia, both crashed my 360 completely.
Post by: MetalMickey on December 28, 2005, 05:41:00 AM
Whats to stop someone coding/building an XBMC type app in flash and launching it via this method? Flash already has all the media playback functions we need...
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Post by: jizmo on December 28, 2005, 06:06:00 AM
QUOTE(MetalMickey @ Dec 28 2005, 02:48 PM)
Er, isnt this the start of the 360 homebrew scene?
Whats to stop someone coding/building an XBMC type app in flash and launching it via this method? Flash already has all the media playback functions we need...
Umm... no. Flash is very, very, very, very, very restricted. It's nothing like C++, or other coding languages, starting from the fact that it's in fact running within a player, much like a video file with some interactive features. You can't poke any of the hardware, do file listings, copy or change files. You most definitely couldn't code the codecs needed for XBMC -like behaviour with flash.
It's perfect for animation, simple games and utilities though.
The only way to poke in the system would be to find a vulnerability in the flash player itself. Which has been actually done before.
Post by: MetalMickey on December 28, 2005, 06:05:00 AM
Unless you are talking about the particular flash player on the kiosk disk being a cut-down version...?
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Post by: illicitx on December 28, 2005, 06:27:00 AM
Post by: deadparrot on December 28, 2005, 06:30:00 AM
I just wish I had a 360 to test some of my Flash stuff on.
Post by: MetalMickey on December 28, 2005, 06:49:00 AM
I need to get a 360 myself to do some testing.
Post by: jizmo on December 28, 2005, 06:46:00 AM
QUOTE(MetalMickey @ Dec 28 2005, 03:12 PM) 
Whens the last time you looked at flash? For example, It has MP3 playback built-in. It allows you load an MP3 file from disk an play it back. Same for video. It has networking built in. It has the ability to read/write to/from external files. It has endless user friendly GUI applications.
Unless you are talking about the particular flash player on the kiosk disk being a cut-down version...?
It is apparently an older version. If it was one of the latest ones it'd be a different situation.
I'm not quite sure about the plugins it supports, atleast WMA seems to be supported as it's played as in-game music. One could imagine WMV would be supported as well to make some intro videos to flash games.
Anyway, I think most poking you can do with Flash 6 is to read some system version data or find a vulnerability in that causes the Flash player to act in unexpected fashion. It takes some trying, but has happened before, as we all know:
http://www.betanews....lity/1131724795
Again, this doesn't help either much if the entire system is running on a hypervisor.
Post by: MetalMickey on December 28, 2005, 07:02:00 AM
QUOTE(jizmo)
It is apparently an older version.
Source for this?
QUOTE
Anyway, I think most poking you can do with Flash 6 is to read some system version data or find a vulnerability in that causes the Flash player to act in unexpected fashion.
Nobody is talking about using flash to find another vunerabilty yet. We are talking about using the available functions of flash to allow us to extend the capability of the machine, such as building a media player to play movies from the harddrive.
QUOTE
Again, this doesn't help either much if the entire system is running on a hypervisor.
Again, noone is talking about defeating the hypervisor or anything of the sort.
Post by: illicitx on December 28, 2005, 07:01:00 AM
QUOTE(Arakon @ Dec 28 2005, 01:33 PM)
just burning the contents of the hexic folder to CDR should work fine, it does here.
I had tried 2 flash files, one being alien hominid, the other being the "maze" sample from macromedia, both crashed my 360 completely.
Im gonna have to give that a shot, Im gonna pick up some cd-rs as these dvd-rs are getting waisted(for a good cause tho), also Im going to release a demo tonight that will allow controller input and possibly some other cool stuff. I also want to look into flash "expliots" and create a few links to signed and unsigned xbe's.
Again, Zlib compression seems to be mandatory, but i will look into this further. If anyone has a zlib compresser for swf files that would be handy so I can do some SWF v7 testing.
As always, more to come...
Post by: jizmo on December 28, 2005, 07:08:00 AM
QUOTE(MetalMickey @ Dec 28 2005, 04:02 PM)
Source for this?
From the guys who've ran newer and older flash code. It's all speculative, I'm just telling what I've heard.
QUOTE(MetalMickey @ Dec 28 2005, 04:02 PM)
Nobody is talking about using flash to find another vunerabilty yet. We are talking about using the available functions of flash to allow us to extend the capability of the machine, such as building a media player to play movies from the harddrive.
We're all here just trying to figure out the possible uses for this Flash thing. My speculation has nothing to do with the media player thing, injecting code for Flash player to run just would possibly allow much more than just playing a few funny files in Flash.
So rest assured, no-one has forgotten about your terrific idea of re-coding XBMC to x360 in Flash, and you'll certainly get some credits if its done, so take a chill pill already.
Post by: mksoftware on December 28, 2005, 07:15:00 AM
Post by: Uollas on December 28, 2005, 07:32:00 AM
It can't be so easy I know...
Post by: crobar on December 28, 2005, 07:34:00 AM
so in theory you could use this to access files on the hard drive...
i wonder where the flash player is located...on the disc or on the xbox it self....if its on the disc you could update the player all together
Uollas... posted before me lol
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Post by: Arakon on December 28, 2005, 07:35:00 AM
btw, on the PC, the flash games respond to the actual ABXY keys on the keyboard, arrow keys, and "S" for start.
so making flashgames work with controller will be easy enough.
Post by: crobar on December 28, 2005, 07:39:00 AM
so w would have to find the button association to them
if i knew where to find the iso id try running a comand from flash to run an xbx or xbe file
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Post by: illicitx on December 28, 2005, 07:41:00 AM
QUOTE(Arakon @ Dec 28 2005, 03:35 PM) 
some more info would be nice. I also attempted a zlib compressed, unprotected (the other two were protected) flashmovie (ver. 6) now and it also locks up the box completely.
btw, on the PC, the flash games respond to the actual ABXY keys on the keyboard, arrow keys, and "S" for start.
so making flashgames work with controller will be easy enough.
At this point the flash 6 zlibs were giving me some issues which I thought was a dvd issue. Try zlib compressing a flash 7 file with Flash Optimizer.
Post by: Arakon on December 28, 2005, 07:34:00 AM
QUOTE(crobar @ Dec 28 2005, 03:34 PM)
well flash 6 still ran FScommands...
so in theory you could use this to access files on the hard drive...
i wonder where the flash player is located...on the disc or on the xbox it self....if its on the disc you could update the player all together
Uollas... posted before me lol
the flash player is the default.xex file in the hexic folder.
QUOTE
well that is if the keys are mapped the same as the keyboadr...witch i highly doubt because when you plug in a keyboard to type in a message windown the abxy keys dont act as "buttons" just letter keys...
so w would have to find the button association to them
so w would have to find the button association to them
the keyboard map can be changed for any game, and the flash player too. while typing the keyboard is obviously mapped as normal keyboard, not a controller.
Post by: illicitx on December 28, 2005, 07:39:00 AM
QUOTE(crobar @ Dec 28 2005, 03:39 PM)
well that is if the keys are mapped the same as the keyboadr...witch i highly doubt because when you plug in a keyboard to type in a message windown the abxy keys dont act as "buttons" just letter keys...
so w would have to find the button association to them
he has tested this and tried it on pc and the keys actually do correspond.
food for thought,
http://www.macromedi.../mpsb05-07.html
Post by: Arakon on December 28, 2005, 08:15:00 AM
Post by: illicitx on December 28, 2005, 07:41:00 AM
QUOTE(Arakon @ Dec 28 2005, 03:46 PM)
@illicitx: can you send me any flash file that does definitely work for you? so I have a base to mess with. email it to arakon "at" gmail dot com please.
Yes but Im not at that computer, It would have to be tonight
Post by: kanderson on December 28, 2005, 08:31:00 AM
The player is Flash 6 / 7. ActionScript 1 and 2 run on both. zlib compression is very common on Flash files, if not always (there's an option in the Flash IDE to turn it off, but that's not really relevant.)
The Player on the xbox is a custom build player. This means it might or might not have certain features the Flash players 6/7 do have. For instance using webcam features might or might not be implemented for specific reasons.
One thing which is for sure is that most "special" implementations of the MM Flash Player have hooks build in to talk to the host machine/os. On Flash Lite fscommand / fscommand2 is the method used to hook to the hosting platform (phones,mostly).
On the Xbox 360 Flash Player this is implemented through fscommands, aswell as through the getURL method, which is normally used to call a http page. This implementation is pretty weird and seems very hackish... I've compiled a little list of fscommands and getURLs possible :
getURL("FSCommand:LeaderBoardGameMode", GameMode); // XBOX LIVE/ARCADE Method
getURL("FSCommand:LeaderBoardSortOrder", SortOrder); // XBOX LIVE/ARCADE Method
getURL("FSCommand:LeaderBoardQuery", LeaderBoardSelected); // XBOX LIVE/ARCADE Method
getURL("FSCommand:LeaderBoardGameMode", GameMode);// XBOX LIVE/ARCADE Method
getURL("FSCommand:ShowGamercard", index); // XBOX LIVE/ARCADE Method
getURL("FSCommand:Presence", xml); // ????
getURL("FSCommand:DifficultyContext", xml); // XBOX Settings call ?
getURL("FSCommand:WriteStats", xml); //Writes an xml to the os ? ???
getURL("FSCommand:SaveSettings", xml); //saves an xml to the os ? ???
getURL("FSCommand:SoundFX", _loc2._Level_sfx); //Tells the os to play a sound ?
getURL("FSCommand:MusicVolume", _loc2._Level_music); //Changes volume on os ?
getURL("FSCommand:SaveGame", str); // ???
getURL("FSCommand:FileIOReadHeader", text); //Reads utf8 text from file
getURL("FSCommand:FileIOReadBody", text); //Reads utf8 text from file
getURL("FSCommand:FileIOWriteHeader", text); //writes utf8 text to file
getURL("FSCommand:FileIOWriteBody", text);//writes utf8 text to file
getURL("FSCommand:FileIOButton", text);//????
fscommand("LoadSettings", "settings");
fscommand("LoadGame");
fscommand("SessionReady", "true");
fscommand("TerminateGame", "<data><exit v=\"UserButton\"/></data>"); //Exiting the player?
These 2 geturls interrestl me most :
getURL("FSCommand:FileIOWriteHeader", text);
getURL("FSCommand:FileIOWriteBody", text);
Post by: crobar on December 28, 2005, 08:44:00 AM
This post has been edited by crobar: Dec 28 2005, 04:44 PM
Post by: kanderson on December 28, 2005, 08:47:00 AM
QUOTE(crobar @ Dec 28 2005, 04:15 PM)
where did you get your info, if you dont have a 360 to run the tests on?
You do not need to have an xbox to look at swf files. So maybe I do have swf files but not an xbox.
Post by: crobar on December 28, 2005, 08:24:00 AM
hopfully tonight ill have the dvd and ill be able to get my hands dirty
Post by: Zenofex on December 28, 2005, 11:33:00 AM
text = & quot;AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA";
getURL("FSCommand:FileIOWriteHeader", text);
or
getURL("FSCommand:FileIOWriteBody", text);
I know we would have to develop some shell code and i would give it a shot but im still trying to find a 360 in my area
Post by: TheRandomDude on December 28, 2005, 11:37:00 AM
Post by: illicitx on December 28, 2005, 11:44:00 AM
This post has been edited by illicitx: Dec 28 2005, 07:44 PM
Post by: Zenofex on December 28, 2005, 11:12:00 AM
http://www.iay.org.u...ki.pl?FSCommand
Post by: Monoxboogie on December 28, 2005, 01:50:00 PM
There also appear to be several vulnerabilities to the flash player 6.x.y series. Though MS probably got to pick and choose certain functionalities, it's possible that some of the vulnerable code may still be resting in there. http://www.securiteam.com/ and search for "Zlib" will yield 1 promising result (the rest are old). Searching for "Flash" yields quite a few interesting results.
Post by: shakaru on December 28, 2005, 02:46:00 PM
Post by: bowser22 on December 28, 2005, 02:57:00 PM
Post by: GileS on December 28, 2005, 03:40:00 PM
Post by: Monoxboogie on December 28, 2005, 03:14:00 PM
QUOTE(shakaru @ Dec 28 2005, 10:17 PM)
And do what? Crash the hypervisor so the machine needs to repost? Wont do but kill a virtual machine.
QUOTE(bowser22 @ Dec 28 2005, 10:28 PM)
Stack memory on the 360 is not executable making it virtually impossible to do a buffer overload
The answer I was looking for would be "No." Not some commentary from people who don't know otherwise.
How do you know it would *kill* the VM? What if it instead rendered control of the VM over to us? Though it's not the entire 360; it's a start.
And though stack memory may not be executable, that hasn't stopped it from happening before. Look for the NX bit exploits. Also, at least one of those exploits is heap based, not stack.
If anybody told you guys one month ago that MS would fuck up and release a disc which could be modified, burnt to a CD, and run, you'd had assumed we were full of shit.
Post by: cyberplague on December 28, 2005, 03:46:00 PM
QUOTE(illicitx @ Dec 28 2005, 11:28 PM)
ok since ive got home I got the Hexic running standalone (not with the rest of the kiosk disk) and booting my swf files. If you replace the Splash.swf you run into a little problem, The xbe pauses the playback, atleast thats what i think is happening.
I think this because if u play the actual demo, it plays the splash and then overlays "press a to continue" and probably pauses the movie.
anyone want to host a working SWF file for me? PM me with your email addy
Check your pmsg. I will be home in an hour to test this out as well.
CP
Post by: illicitx on December 28, 2005, 05:00:00 PM
QUOTE(cyberplague @ Dec 28 2005, 11:53 PM)
Check your pmsg. I will be home in an hour to test this out as well.
CP
sent, waiting for you to upload.
Post by: cyberplague on December 28, 2005, 05:21:00 PM
QUOTE(illicitx @ Dec 29 2005, 01:07 AM)
sent, waiting for you to upload.
Done.
Here is the link Download Here
Just replace this one file and either burn just the files in the hexic directory or the whole demo disk.
I am burning this right now to test it out. I will post my results.
WE WILL NOT TELL YOU OR PMSG YOU WHERE TO GET THE DISK SO DONT ASK!
CP
Post by: Daveid on December 28, 2005, 05:32:00 PM
QUOTE(maddy2005 @ Dec 29 2005, 12:32 AM)
illicitx m8 adding that file will just put that flashing video on screen no good in that ??? we need some software of some kind.. to run
it's a proof of concept dude lol quit complaining!
illicit is doing great
!! go illicit *watches in awe*
Post by: maddy2005 on December 28, 2005, 05:33:00 PM
dont get mee wrong Post by: z0nic on December 28, 2005, 05:35:00 PM
I'm following this post with much interest.
I guess you guys already know this but the splash.swf actually reads the k.xml (or **_k.xml) file. Uses it for localization. The splash.swf and k.xml file only seems to be connected to the kiosk disc however. The comment in the k.xml says; HexicKiosk Localization Strings.
You can try to change the strings and it even works if you run it on your computer
Good luck!
/zonic
Post by: Magixx on December 28, 2005, 08:39:00 PM
Post by: illicitx on December 28, 2005, 09:13:00 PM
QUOTE(Magixx @ Dec 29 2005, 04:46 AM)
Dose anyone here want me to try and decrypt the xbox hexic to a .fla format?
lemme think about it.....
yes.
anyways, anyone who is PM'ing me please just post in this thread.
Also anyone requesting the Kiosk disk, imagse, or files off of the kiosk disk... I will not be sending out any illegal or copyrighted files so please stop asking.
We will be able to continue more once Magixx decompiles the fla file. There is a program called Flash Decompiler, so if any one can get it please upload the decompiled fla.
Post by: rootofallevil on December 28, 2005, 10:24:00 PM
Post by: GileS on December 28, 2005, 10:34:00 PM
Not sure what to do with it..
Post by: cyberplague on December 28, 2005, 10:37:00 PM
Nothing interesting so far...
CP
Post by: On3D33p on December 29, 2005, 03:08:00 AM
Post by: jizmo on December 29, 2005, 03:58:00 AM
- RSS Readers
- Utilities that list and print out data usable within x360's Flash player (including fonts etc, the version and extensions of used Flash player)
- Flash Speed Test (to determine how fast the x360's Flash really is when compared to certain table PCs in this area)
- Network (speed and port) testing utilities
Someone who manages to gets Flash stuff up and running well might want to write a tutorial here so that othercan start trying out different stuff and gathering information too. Many would appreciate it.
Edit:
Kanderson, great update. Keep up the good work.
Post by: kanderson on December 29, 2005, 04:29:00 AM
QUOTE(jizmo @ Dec 29 2005, 12:05 PM)
1 - RSS Readers
2 - Utilities that list and print out data usable within x360's Flash player (including fonts etc, the version and extensions of used Flash player)
3 - Flash Speed Test (to determine how fast the x360's Flash really is when compared to certain table PCs in this area)
4 - Network (speed and port) testing utilities
5 - Kanderson, great update. Keep up the good work.
1 - Would need xml functionality - not tested yet, due to player crashes
2 - Made such a Flash, but it crashes the xbox player. Looks like it's an issue with the fonts.
Fonts are implemented in a really different fashion from other Flashplayers. This one seems to load ttf files. This could also be the source of the crash. There seems to be no way to using dynamic textfields yet.
3 - Seeing how slow the Hexic flashes run on my machine, which is very fast, the xbox player must be lightening fast.
4 - getURL checked. To be checked : XML & XMLSocket. Dont get ur hopes up on Netconnection stuff.
5 - Thank you, but thank Arakon too.
Post by: Altsi on December 29, 2005, 06:12:00 AM
It seems that the A, B, X, and Y buttons on pad are referred as they would be in keyboard.
The movement (atleast 4-way pad) looks like its referred as keyboards arrow-keys and the start (|>) looks like its just a keyboard's S-key.
This could be easily figured out by playing HexicDeluxe.swf on PC (runs quite slow BTW).
QUOTE(kanderson @ Dec 29 2005, 01:36 PM)
1 - Would need xml functionality - not tested yet, due to player crashes
I think it was in xboxhacker forums that someone found out that hexic uses xml files to localization.
So there seems to be xml support.
Post by: kanderson on December 29, 2005, 06:17:00 AM
QUOTE(Altsi @ Dec 29 2005, 02:19 PM)
I'm not sure if you have already figured this out, but this is about the button mapping used in xbox360 arcade (FLASH) games.
It seems that the A, B, X, and Y buttons on pad are referred as they would be in keyboard.
The movement (atleast 4-way pad) looks like its referred as keyboards arrow-keys and the start (|>) looks like its just a keyboard's S-key.
This could be easily figured out by playing HexicDeluxe.swf on PC (runs quite slow BTW).
I think it was in xboxhacker forums that someone found out that hexic uses xml files to localization.
So there seems to be xml support.
About the Hexic keyboard mapping : I did not have the time to figure this one out yet, but it seems like HexicDeluxe.swf is doing some specific stuff for this.
About the XML functionality : I am sorry, I was unclear, to support RSS Feeds we not only need the XML support , but we need XML support that loads off the network. It's now loading local files.
Post by: Altsi on December 29, 2005, 06:33:00 AM
QUOTE(kanderson @ Dec 29 2005, 03:24 PM)
About the XML functionality : I am sorry, I was unclear, to support RSS Feeds we not only need the XML support , but we need XML support that loads off the network. It's now loading local files.
Yep, or atleast networking functions that would let us dl files from the net.
And somehow i doubt we have that this easily.
Post by: serialized on December 29, 2005, 10:07:00 AM
QUOTE(Altsi @ Dec 29 2005, 02:40 PM)
Yep, or atleast networking functions that would let us dl files from the net.
And somehow i doubt we have that this easily.
There should be a few ways to identify what classess and global variables methods available in the system
in this particular document
Flash Document for probing methods/variables accessible to an object
It should be entirely possible to do the following
CODE
_root.createTextField( "txtLabel", 1, 0, 0, 1000, 720 );
_root.txtLabel.text += "_root properties\n";
for (var propName in _root)
{
_root.txtLabel.text += ( propName + "\n" );
}
_root.txtLabel.text += "\n_global properties\n";
// Not sure if ASSetPropFlags function exists, but if it is we can uncover a lot more classess/functions
ASSetPropFlags(_global, null, 6, 1);
for ( var propName in _global )
{
_root.txtLabel.text += ( propName + " values: " + _global[propName] + "\n" );
}
// Get System information
_root.txtLabel.text += "\nSystem capabilities\n";
// Not sure if ASSetPropFlags function exists, but if it is we can potentially uncover a lot more
// informations
ASSetPropFlags( System.capabilities, null, 6, 1 );
for ( var propName in System.capabilities )
{
_root.txtLabel.text += ( propName + ": " + System.capabilities[ propName ] + "\n" );
}
Hope we can get more information in regards to exposed properties/functions of both _root and _global
Regards.
Post by: kanderson on December 29, 2005, 10:30:00 AM
QUOTE(serialized @ Dec 29 2005, 06:14 PM)
There should be a few ways to identify what classess and global variables methods available in the system
in this particular document
Flash Document for probing methods/variables accessible to an object
It should be entirely possible to do the following
CODE
bunch of code in original post
Hope we can get more information in regards to exposed properties/functions of both _root and _global
Regards.
As posted, we tried to run a swf with a similar script. It will crash the flash player on the xbox. I am guessing it's due to the fonts in the dynamic textfields.
Post by: serialized on December 29, 2005, 10:51:00 AM
QUOTE(kanderson @ Dec 29 2005, 06:37 PM)
As posted, we tried to run a swf with a similar script. It will crash the flash player on the xbox. I am guessing it's due to the fonts in the dynamic textfields.
How about if trying to creating textfield object on the fly
Hence.. instead of doing _root.textLabel.text += "string" all the time
We try to do this instead
CODE
var i = 1;
for (var propName in _global )
{
_root.createTextField("txtLabel" + i, i, 0, i * 15, 1000, 15);
_root[ "txtLabel" + i ].text = propName;
i++;
}
instead? They might have restriction of how much characters can a textfield has, but certainly they don't have
limits on how many objects we can made (hopefull?)
Regards.
Note:
If this is also not possible, it is entirely possible to create a timer object that swaps the context of textfields
on the fly. Or if we're really desperate we can create 27 movieclips that represent each alphabet letter. And create a function that attaches movieclips of the passed argument. I.e. display( "propName" );
The movieclipe p, r, o, p, n, a, m, e (we can use alternate background color to indentify capital or small letter). Sounds farfetch, but I don't think MS/Macromedia restrict attaching movies
Post by: LiquidIce629 on December 29, 2005, 11:04:00 AM
Post by: Chris_F on December 29, 2005, 01:35:00 PM
QUOTE(LiquidIce629 @ Dec 29 2005, 01:11 PM)
I just tried the Hexic files on my xbox 360 US edition (NTSC). I get a black screen. Is this restricted to use by PAL xbox360' for now?? Or am I not burning it correctly? I just dropped all hexic files including default.xbx into the root of the dvd and burnt in nero. Any tips or am i sol?
I get the same thing. Hexic causes my xbox to freeze. I have a NTSC version as well. Will the kiosk disk only run on PAL xboxs?
Post by: cyberplague on December 29, 2005, 01:48:00 PM
QUOTE(Chris_F @ Dec 29 2005, 09:42 PM)
I get the same thing. Hexic causes my xbox to freeze. I have a NTSC version as well. Will the kiosk disk only run on PAL xboxs?
Works on my NTSC Box, it is NOT PAL ONLY.
CP
Post by: ItalianMob on December 29, 2005, 02:35:00 PM
I've got a NTSC box and it works just fine.
It might have been in the way you replaced the file in the ISO.
Just a thought
If you've tried networking capabilities outside your network and had those fail, have you though about networking to a local pc? We know the xbox itself has this capability. I've got MCE running and that proves that the box itself can spider a local network without bumping outside of the network. If this is the case you could always create a xml spider on a pc to grab the info on a regular basis and then have the flash player load from that location on the local network. This might bypass the crashing of the player. As the player could have predefined "Trusted" sites to obtain information from.
Italian
Post by: Abaddon666 on December 29, 2005, 03:26:00 PM
Maybe you are missing some files of the kiosk disc.
By the way, is there already any flash game/movie/App which can be run instead of Hexic ?
Greetz,
Abaddon666
Post by: XBoxgeek on December 29, 2005, 03:27:00 PM
Screen shot
Post by: Abaddon666 on December 29, 2005, 03:35:00 PM
54.wma
Badback.wma
Belkell.wma
Cobblers.wma
convectionui.ttf
default.xex
de_g.xml
de_k.xml
es_g.xml
es_k.xml
fr_g.xml
fr_k.xml
g.xml
gothic.ttf
HexicDeluxe.swf
HexicHDLoading.swf
it_g.xml
it_k.xml
ja_g.xml
ja_k.xml
k.xml
KeyMap_HXIC.xml
ko_g.xml
ko_k.xml
Lubax.wma
Oilyn.wma
pt_g.xml
SdGD_M.ttf
Slartisfgh.wma
Splash.swf
Underlow.wma
xarialuni.ttf
zh_g.xml
zh_k.xml
Greetz,
Abaddon666
Post by: LiquidIce629 on December 29, 2005, 03:43:00 PM
Will post back with my success or failures.
Post by: krawhitham on December 29, 2005, 04:04:00 PM
Post by: PedrosPad on December 29, 2005, 04:12:00 PM
I got an X360 for Xmas and this the most interesting thead I've read yet. Not used AS for years (really!), certainly before XML was integrated. Consequently, I've got an XML parser I implemented myself entirely in AS which I can contribute if eventually required (on a 5 1/4" floppy in loft
)Post by: TraZer on December 29, 2005, 05:00:00 PM
QUOTE(PedrosPad @ Dec 30 2005, 12:19 AM)
Just wanted to say "excellent R&D guys".
I got an X360 for Xmas and this the most interesting thead I've read yet. Not used AS for years (really!), certainly before XML was integrated. Consequently, I've got an XML parser I implemented myself entirely in AS which I can contribute if eventually required (on a 5 1/4" floppy in loft
)Nice to see that you're still keeping an eye on the soft modding scene Pedros!
I remember reading your posts with the same enthusiasm as you explain here, back when UXE still was fresh
Post by: genecyber on December 30, 2005, 02:15:00 AM
I have decrypted the swf HexicDeluxe and it has quite a bit of complex actionscript to wade through and I have not yet located the instructions for accepting input from the controller.
Another note: After decompiling and recompiling the original game swf file and re-exporting the game hangs at the "Press a to Start" screen
I also noticed that it hangs when trying to load files larger than the original game swf file.
So many experiments, I am fairly certain that there are countless hours of fun to be had working with this rushed player.
Post by: PedrosPad on December 30, 2005, 03:01:00 AM
QUOTE(genecyber @ Dec 30 2005, 11:22 AM)
So many experiments, I am fairly certain that there are countless hours of fun to be had working with this rushed player.
A few (semi random) thoughts regarding the use of the Hexic Flash player
Just because the HexicDeluxe demo is coded as Flash engine & Flash file, that doesn't necessarily mean that the full downloadable version is. These files could be an early proof-of-concept/prototype/demo. The full version may be a more common compiled XEX. (Historically Macromedia Authorware & Macromedia Director are commonly used to prototype applications ahead of full development - which can take place using completely different toolsets).
If the full version is still Flash, just because HexicDeluxes developers decided to publish their app as a Flash Player & Flash file, that doesnt necessarily mean that all XBL Arcade content is also limited to Flash (after all, the binary Flash player XEX would still need to be included in the downloads). They may have already had Hexic implemented in Flash, so porting a Flash interpreter may have simply been more efficient. If it was newly developed, developers experienced with Flash ActionScript would be easier to find than X360 developers (and cheaper). Hire one C++ programmer and 20 AS developers! (Given the strength of this model, maybe M$ themselves put together the Flash Interpreter as an option for Arcade content developers?)
Isn't there a full HexicDeluxe downloadable from XBL? It may come with a more complete Flash player
- although its XEX may be media flagged to execute from HDD only! 
IIRC tools now exist to allow the extraction of X360 HDD content for examination. 
A few (semi random) thoughts.
Post by: Daveid on December 30, 2005, 03:44:00 AM
QUOTE(PedrosPad @ Dec 30 2005, 10:08 AM)
A few (semi random) thoughts regarding the use of the Hexic Flash player
Just because the HexicDeluxe demo is coded as Flash engine & Flash file, that doesn't necessarily mean that the full downloadable version is. These files could be an early proof-of-concept/prototype/demo. The full version may be a more common compiled XEX. (Historically Macromedia Authorware & Macromedia Director are commonly used to prototype applications ahead of full development - which can take place using completely different toolsets).
If the full version is still Flash, just because HexicDeluxes developers decided to publish their app as a Flash Player & Flash file, that doesnt necessarily mean that all XBL Arcade content is also limited to Flash (after all, the binary Flash player XEX would still need to be included in the downloads). They may have already had Hexic implemented in Flash, so porting a Flash interpreter may have simply been more efficient. If it was newly developed, developers experienced with Flash ActionScript would be easier to find than X360 developers (and cheaper). Hire one C++ programmer and 20 AS developers! (Given the strength of this model, maybe M$ themselves put together the Flash Interpreter as an option for Arcade content developers?)
Isn't there a full HexicDeluxe downloadable from XBL? It may come with a more complete Flash player
- although its XEX may be media flagged to execute from HDD only! IIRC tools now exist to allow the extraction of X360 HDD content for examination. A few (semi random) thoughts.
I'm thinking the flash player already resides on the HDD when you get it and is more capable
the point you seem to be making is vaild. However I think what is trying to be attempted is not to run something from the HDD (though obviously that comes later) but to use this disc and a custom flash file to find out more about the 360's security and files, no? So it doesn't matter all that stuff
just that this one runs off a disc and we can change some of it Post by: Alec on December 30, 2005, 05:52:00 AM
Post by: crobar on December 30, 2005, 11:14:00 AM
off a button or in the first frame?
if you running it on the first frame you might want to try it in the third or fourth frame i remember it being an issue while running flash in an exe.
might help might not just my 2 cents
Post by: MaTiAz on December 30, 2005, 01:24:00 PM
QUOTE(genecyber @ Dec 30 2005, 09:29 PM)
OK so I am having some success! I have a clock application semi working, It does not display the seconds on screen but it is acuratly pulling and displaying the system time correctly.
Flashkit.com is a great resource for things such as this.
*Update 1*
Ok This is very interesting, I pushed the dashboard button on the controller while the clock app was running, and left it there for a few minutes, low and behold the clock was still running in the background and updating with each passing minute. **Time to test HTTP Stuff now**
Cool, gotta propably install Flash MX again
Post by: PedrosPad on December 30, 2005, 03:14:00 PM
QUOTE(yngwie001 @ Dec 30 2005, 11:27 PM)
How far can we go with this disc?
To be able to play backups (eventually) seems alittle far fetched.surely we are limited with it.
While greater feats would be welcome
, I'm beginning to think there may be distance in simply booting and running Flash programs. Flash is quite capable, and if the X360 Flash player is as fast as Hexic appears to indicate, it opens up a nice living room platform for Flash homebrew games and entertainment. Develop and test on PC and eventually execute on X360. Kind'a like Java, "Write once, run anywhere!" - lol A fast flash player could make 3D practical, and if the networking and GetURL() method does work and can pull from any host, even online multiplayer games would be possible (using the http querystring to post information, etc.).
Personally, I have crack at a homebrew MSN Messenger-style chat application first (the server-side for this would be very easy). Out of curiosity (and to save time), what tools/programs are the people having success using to author their AS and generate the SWFs? (And what versions of tools, in order to generate the right SWF versions for the XBOX?)
A closing thought...IIRC rumours exist that support for MSN Messenger will make it onto the X360 via a future dashboard update (facilitated by the linking of Gamertags to MS Passports, etc.). The latest MSN Messenger uses Flash for Winks and animated Avatars, so Flash on the X360 would be required for this.
Post by: lilpee on December 30, 2005, 03:39:00 PM
Post by: genecyber on December 30, 2005, 05:14:00 PM
The data and time functions in action script do work.
Action script 2.0 does not seem to be suported.
What is really needed is something to get debug information (Flash errors) to print to the screen.
As far as I can tell the Default executable is loading splash.swf and an audio file,and waits for input, It then loads HexicDelux.swf.
Also audio encoded as mp3 does not work with this flash player.
Post by: ItalianMob on December 30, 2005, 07:31:00 PM
ItalianMob
EDIT - All i have thus far is the theme version of the ISO so I don't have the SWF for hex.
Post by: modthebox.tk on December 30, 2005, 11:57:00 PM
Post by: PedrosPad on December 31, 2005, 11:21:00 AM
QUOTE(modthebox.tk @ Dec 31 2005, 09:04 AM)
But to know that we might be getting some homebrew stuff on the X360 soon is just mind bogoling.
Allard said in one of his interviews that M$ had watched the XBOX1 modding scene, and incorporated many of the reasons people were modding into the X360 (personalised Dash skinning, own music, etc.). Using Flash to permit the development and use of homebrew code works nicely. Maybe M$ will sit up and sanction such an approach - in a similar sprit to Sonys Playstation Net Yaroze solution.
Post by: crobar on December 31, 2005, 12:14:00 PM
just PM me.
Post by: Gloei on December 31, 2005, 01:40:00 PM
I believe the default.xex (the one in Hexic's dir) is not just a flash player. As far as I can see it is more a flash player which is custommade for Hexic. It does the following:
- Play Splash.swf for around 5 seconds,
and look for a file called Oilyn.wma and if it exists, play it.
- Wait endlessly until the player presses the A button.
- Play HexicDeluxe.swf (it slowly crossfades from the last frame of splash.swf)
In Hexic's directory there are 8 .wma music files. I think default.xex has a built in playlist which starts with Oilyn.wma.
Ohw and I think (as far as I understood the AS from the decompiled HexicDeluxe.swf) they change the musicvolume from within AS using getURL("FSCommand:MusicVolume", xxx).
Btw, I've tried to use MP3 audio in my .swf (160kbps mp3, stereo) but I don't hear a thing when I play it on the XBox
So I guess they don't support audio from flash files, or they do play it but just no mp3's.Post by: Midri on December 31, 2005, 02:11:00 PM
Post by: Gloei on December 31, 2005, 04:34:00 PM
And apparently you can also remove any of the .wma files. I removed all except one (Oilyn.wma) which I replaced with a Oilyn.wma I made (encoded) myself using MS's WMA encoder 9. That worked fine, although I don't know what happens when the song ends
Still have to check that, I guess the music simply stops since it can't find the next file in the playlist Btw, maybe someone can setup a Wiki for this ? It would be nice to have some central place with all available info so far.
(Ohw, and happy new year
)
Post by: Gloei on January 01, 2006, 07:23:00 AM
Ohw and it looks like, as someone said here before, the keycode is just a normal ascii code. 65 ('A') for the A button, 76 ('L') for LT, 82 ('R') for RT, 83 ('S') for Start, ...
I'm going to do some more tests to find out all the keycodes. And I still have a problem of not receiving any keyUp events upon release of any of the buttons. Got the feeling they send a keyDown directly followed by a keyUp event when you press a button and they don't send anything when you release a button
That would make sense, since that's how Hexic works.Ohw and i've also seen the _root.KeyboardAccessibility, but I got no clue what it is used for. (looks like something they use to register keyboard mappings for menu buttons... or something like that?)
Post by: Daveid on January 01, 2006, 09:06:00 AM
i exported the swf to an .fla and an .as file and am republishing it as a flash 6 file but when i do my computer DIESSSS, flash stops responding. It's not a bad computer, AMD 64 3600 with a gig of ram, or is that not good enough and i just have to wait a year? thanks
Post by: Gloei on January 01, 2006, 10:41:00 AM
Start = 83 ('S')
Back = 66 ('B')
A = 65 ('A')
B = 66 ('B')
X = 88 ('X')
Y = 89 ('Y')
Left stick, left = 37 and 41
Left stick, up = 38 and 42
Left stick, right = 39 and 43
Left stick, down = 40 and 44
dpad, left = 37 and 41
dpad, up = 38 and 42
dpad, right = 39 and 43
dpad, down = 40 and 44
LT = 76 ('L')
RT = 82 ('R')
LB = not supported!
RB = not supported!
If you use a keyListener it will behave a little different than on the PC. If you press a button the keyDown function will be called after which the keyUp function will be called directly. If you release a button nothing happens. All directional buttons (the stick and the dpad) are kind of in a triggered mode. When you press one of these buttons a keyDown function will get called followed by a keyUp, followed by a short pause, after which the keyDown and keyUp get called again, followed again by a short pause, etc.. Until you release the button. The pause between two keyDown/keyUp pairs is constant (and quite long). When you use the 41 to 44 codes for the left stick, the pause is shorter btw than for the 37 to 40 codes...
Hopefully you guys find this useful in some way.
Post by: lilpee on January 01, 2006, 12:20:00 PM
http://www.flashkit....-7865/index.php
I'm going to run and get some blank cd-rw's (can the 360 read rw's?) so I can test some of my flash projects..
Post by: DarkDeity on January 01, 2006, 12:38:00 PM
Post by: genecyber on January 01, 2006, 01:19:00 PM
Post by: Biosyntrix on January 01, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
Post by: Gloei on January 01, 2006, 03:16:00 PM
QUOTE(genecyber @ Jan 1 2006, 09:26 PM)
Gloei: Can you please pm me or e-mail me a flash file that shows an example of this, something say that when you load on the 360, it can display to the screen "Start button puched" A button Pushed"
Here you go: Input handling example
I've placed the source .fla there, and the .swf's you need to place on a disc (together with a default.xex, which you have to find somewhere yourself). I've tested it (by burning the two .swf's + default.xex on a CDRW) on my xbox 360 (pal) and it works. Btw they work on your PC too
Just click on HexicDeluxe.swf from the link above, to see what you should get on the xbox.have fun.
Post by: DarkDeity on January 01, 2006, 05:05:00 PM
Post by: t_mac_ca on January 01, 2006, 05:49:00 PM
Post by: Angerwound on January 01, 2006, 07:02:00 PM
Post by: NarutoKun on January 01, 2006, 10:33:00 PM
Post by: eDeus on January 02, 2006, 01:21:00 AM
Post by: Biosyntrix on January 02, 2006, 01:40:00 AM
QUOTE(rmbell @ Jan 2 2006, 09:25 AM)
i just read through all 8 pages, and i must say, i love watching things evolve like this thread did.
I'm going to try some stuff later on with this, even though i havent used flash in ages, but ive got a lot of time and a lot of dvd-r's
cdr's much cheaper
Post by: rmbell on January 02, 2006, 01:46:00 AM
my text also had weird colouring.
Post by: /-\tomic on January 02, 2006, 01:47:00 AM
Post by: genecyber on January 02, 2006, 01:49:00 AM
CODE
getProperty()
does not work.Games are an Immediate posibility, although nowhere near the endgame this is too much fun. Stay Tuned for "Super Battle Checkers"
Post by: Neodug on January 02, 2006, 03:42:00 AM
Keep up the good work all!!
Post by: NanoStudios on January 02, 2006, 04:09:00 AM
Post by: Altsi on January 02, 2006, 04:50:00 AM
QUOTE(DarkDeity @ Jan 2 2006, 02:12 AM)
Anways, while browsing the kiosk disk i noticed that kingkong was an EXE file, but when i try to run it on my computer it says the program is too big to fit in the memory, just putting out food for thought
The same happens when you try to run the compatibility update default.xex renamed to default.exe.
So king kong is basically just a a xex file with a different extension. It will not run on Windows even if you have more memory, its built on PPC platform. Correct me if i'm right, but this has been already discussed on another forum.
QUOTE(/-\tomic @ Jan 2 2006, 10:54 AM)
Well, I'm not very good with flash... at all, but I read over this whole thread. I put all the files from Hexic on a disc and burnt them, but with one change. Instead of the original hexicdeluxe.swf file, I exported that flash web browser someone linked to earlier as a flash 6 swf (because that's supposed to enable zlib... I think?). Anyway, I took that, a keyboard, and a mouse and hooked it up to the 360. I figured, since the xbox supports keyboards and mice, why not see if it would work with the flash file? Well... it displayed the splash.swf file, and then froze. It didn't even display the browser file, just froze. The controller stopped working as well. Not like it would have really mattered... I can't even get that browser to work correctly on my PC. What I really want to know though is if you can use your keyboard/mouse in conjunction with the flash files. I tried using the keyboard to play hexic off my hd, but that didn't work. Another odd thing... I noticed that after I attempted to play the flash browswer... when I went back to my guide it took about 20 seconds to load up a live game. Now... I don't know if this was because I had a keyboard and mouse plugged in, or if it was because I had tried to boot that other flash file, but they took forever to load up, and it made it seem like the 360 had froze. I originally thought the 360 was frozen and restarted a few times, then decided to wait a little longer. Once I loaded one, the next one loaded insantly like normal... odd though. Anyway... someone else want to see if they can get a keyboard/mouse working with flash? I'd try something but it's almost 4 am now so I'm gonna hit the sack.
No support for mouse in XB360!
None of the flash application work like expected on Xbox 360 before modifying atleast the input commands.
Post by: ravenslayer on January 02, 2006, 05:12:00 AM
QUOTE(NanoStudios @ Jan 2 2006, 12:16 PM)
M$ had specifically stated in the past that homebrew would be possible through Xbox Live Arcade, although I doubt they meant in this way
:s i didn't read this but could be said by M$
great that there is now flash support. I will try modifying some games to the 360 settings
Post by: Neodug on January 02, 2006, 05:24:00 AM
QUOTE(NanoStudios @ Jan 2 2006, 11:16 AM)
M$ had specifically stated in the past that homebrew would be possible through Xbox Live Arcade, although I doubt they meant in this way
They could have ment this way though... think about it, they could restrict what can be used so say your flash cant access drive c:/ d:/ etc But im probley wrong
Post by: deadparrot on January 02, 2006, 07:52:00 AM
QUOTE(NarutoKun @ Jan 2 2006, 05:40 AM)
could someone help me decompile the swf with FlashPlayer 7 SDK and Visual Basic 6?
You want Sothink's SWF Decompiler.
Post by: Gloei on January 02, 2006, 08:42:00 AM
QUOTE(Biosyntrix @ Jan 2 2006, 09:47 AM)
cdr's much cheaper
Or just use a CDRW
Works fine too.Btw, it's true that the background color of your .swf isn't used by the flashplayer on the xbox360. It uses a fixed white background color. If you want some other color, you have to use a colored rectangle
Genecyber: nice clock!
looking forward to "Super Battle Checkers" btw, too bad getProperty() doesnt work. That would have made certain things a bit easier.
Post by: sub420 on January 02, 2006, 11:32:00 AM
Post by: PedrosPad on January 06, 2006, 09:57:00 AM
QUOTE(PedrosPad @ Jan 6 2006, 03:45 PM)
fyi - Binaries of my Windows builds of xboxdumper and PIRSTOOLS are now on xbins in
/PC/Xbox 360 Tools/Harddrive Tools/xboxdumper/
and
/PC/Xbox 360 Tools/PIRSTools/
should anyone else wish to retrieve their own HexicHD files.
Post by: OpticNurv on January 06, 2006, 10:02:00 AM
Post by: 1337C0D3R on January 06, 2006, 10:14:00 AM
My lead :
http://www.xbox.com/...S/dev/tools.htm
"Secret Level Tools, Inc.
Flash Player
http://www.secretlevel.com"
Side Note : If anyone wants to work on flash experiments on IM or otherwise, PM me. I have a second premium now just for testing.
Post by: -PK- on January 06, 2006, 12:19:00 PM
QUOTE(1337C0D3R @ Jan 6 2006, 06:21 PM)
You might want to have a look at http://www.secretlevel.com/ , as it is a strong possibility that they are the creators of the flash player we are toying with.
My lead :
http://www.xbox.com/...S/dev/tools.htm
"Secret Level Tools, Inc.
Flash Player
http://www.secretlevel.com"
Side Note : If anyone wants to work on flash experiments on IM or otherwise, PM me. I have a second premium now just for testing.
I found some info in their news section (googled their site for "flash"). Two in paticular directly point to Macromedia Flash..
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02 | 18 | 2001 LucasArts Entertainment Company releases STARWARS® Starfighter for PS2
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STAR WARS® Starfighter for PlayStation 2 has recently hit store shelves; Macromedia Flash enabled thanks in part to Secret Level and Orange Design. LucasArts utilized a prototype of the Strobe SDK developed by SL, and worked closely with Orange Design to create the game shell user interface entirely in Flash utilizing Flash's ActionScript to handle the shell logic and communication to Lucas' game engine. Read more about it in a recent Macromedia press release, and articles on this site.
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06 | 18 | 2001 Starfighter postmortem in GameDeveloper
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Secret Level's version of the Macromedia Flash Player was mentioned in the "What went right" section of Lucas' Star Wars® Starfighter postmortem!
"We had heard that a small San Francisco-based company named Secret Level was adapting Macromedia's Flash technology for us in PS2 games...Macromedia content-authoring tools were far more elaborate than anything we could come up with in the same time frame. We also suspected that there was a wealth of Flash authoring expertise available from out-of-house contractors which would help us smooth out the work load. Most importantly, we were very impressed by the intelligence and games savvy of the Secret Level staff."
Edit: Re-reading the first news post above, it says that they used Action Scripts to communicate with the game engine & handle the shell logic. In this case, it seems like that would almost confirm that the xex is what is specifically saying which Action Scripts & flash functions are allowed or not..
Also, the second post says that they have a modified version (possibly tool/plugin set) for macromedia flash to assist in developing flash material for any console.
Post by: jax32 on January 06, 2006, 12:51:00 PM
QUOTE(1337C0D3R @ Jan 6 2006, 11:21 AM)
You might want to have a look at http://www.secretlevel.com/ , as it is a strong possibility that they are the creators of the flash player we are toying with.
My lead :
http://www.xbox.com/...S/dev/tools.htm
"Secret Level Tools, Inc.
Flash Player
http://www.secretlevel.com"
Side Note : If anyone wants to work on flash experiments on IM or otherwise, PM me. I have a second premium now just for testing.
no one listens to me
Post by: Ardend on January 06, 2006, 01:35:00 PM
to bad we cant boot it Even more interesting is the fact that the game can be booted with the old default.xex and works fine as far as I can tell. So does that mean the default.xex from the demo actually supports more code then we think?
Sorry, just rambling off random thoughts at work :|
Post by: maximilian0017 on January 06, 2006, 02:42:00 PM
QUOTE(Ardend @ Jan 6 2006, 09:42 PM)
Hmmm interesting, in the Full Hexic HD SWF, they use the duplicateMovieClip funtion.... that tells me that default.xex is updated and supports more code
to bad we cant boot it Did you try the new default.xex?, what would be the reason it wouldn't work?
1. Signing should be intact
2. Would they use a media flag for this game?, should be able to put it back on the memorycard so no problem there...
Post by: Caballero2005 on January 06, 2006, 02:59:00 PM
QUOTE(PedrosPad @ Jan 6 2006, 06:04 PM)
should anyone else wish to retrieve their own HexicHD files.
Ok thanx a lot have got all the tools, stripped my hdd out and connected via sata to pc, dumped all 20gig with winhex by sectorcopy. But now im stuck, the dumper finds no info... have i missed something important? a little tip would be nice...
cheers, caballero
Post by: PedrosPad on January 06, 2006, 03:05:00 PM
QUOTE(Caballero2005 @ Jan 7 2006, 12:06 AM) 
Ok thanx a lot have got all the tools, stripped my hdd out and connected via sata to pc, dumped all 20gig with winhex by sectorcopy. But now im stuck, the dumper finds no info... have i missed something important? a little tip would be nice...
cheers, caballero
Try opening the HDD dump file in a hex editor and at offset 0x80000 you should see the letters "XTAF" (FATX backwards). This indicates the start of a FATX partition. If not, search for "XTAF" and see where it does appear (& post). There should be 2,3,or 4 occurances of "XTAF" in the HDD image. One at the start of each partition. It's possible that you got some crap in the dump that throwing the offset out slightly.
This post has been edited by PedrosPad: Jan 6 2006, 11:08 PM
Post by: Caballero2005 on January 06, 2006, 03:11:00 PM
QUOTE(PedrosPad @ Jan 6 2006, 11:12 PM)
Try opening the HDD dump file in a hex editor and at offset 0x80000 you should see the letters "XTAF" (FATX backwards). This indicates the start of a FATX partition. If not, search for "XTAF" and see where it does appear (& post). It's possible that you got some crap in the dump that throwing the offset out slightly.
PS. There should be 2,3,or 4 occurances of "XTAF" in the HDD image.
Ok thanx a lot, the first dump was full of read errors (bad sectors?), i just deleted it, turned all unnecessary stuff off and try again to get a clean dump now, as this lasts at least an hour i will post later if it worked and what i found...
Greetz, C.
Post by: Ardend on January 06, 2006, 03:35:00 PM
Other thing to note is that the Default.xex are totally different sizes, with the Full version being almost half the size of the demo one. So there is a good chance the Full one is what we need to be getting at as its more than likely more complete if not totally complete. Like i said, there was a duplicateMovieClip call in the file that I'm pretty sure wasnt in the demo game, but i could be mistaken...
I guess i should really see how/where the duplicateMovieClip function is used, then try and play the full game with the demo xex and see if that part of the game still works. If not, we know for a fact that the demo.xex is crippled.....
More ramblings (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: PedrosPad on January 06, 2006, 04:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Ardend @ Jan 7 2006, 12:42 AM)
regarding the Full Hexic HD swf, i did try booting the full version default.xex and it doesnt work.
<snip />
I guess i should really see how/where the duplicateMovieClip function is used, then try and play the full game with the demo xex and see if that part of the game still works. If not, we know for a fact that the demo.xex is crippled.....
More ramblings
Ditto result.
And agreed regarding the duplicateMovieClip investigation.
Post by: Ardend on January 06, 2006, 04:37:00 PM
for (i = 0; i < 0; i++)
{
dot.duplicateMovieClip("dot" + i, i);
} // end of for
And thats the whole code for the symbol where its used. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
anyone wanna run a quick test on duplicateMovieClip with this method and see if they can get it to work?
Post by: PedrosPad on January 06, 2006, 04:42:00 PM
QUOTE(Ardend @ Jan 7 2006, 12:42 AM)
Other thing to note is that the Default.xex are totally different sizes, with the Full version being almost half the size of the demo one.
Below is an image of the Hexic contents side by side.
There some other very odd file size differences. What's going on with xarialuni.ttf, from 6589652 bytes, to 153940?
Post by: Ardend on January 06, 2006, 04:44:00 PM
Post by: deadparrot on January 09, 2006, 11:43:00 AM
What happens if we try to get a flash app to divide something by zero? I know it sounds incredibly stupid, and flash obviously has a way of hadling it, but I'm going to find out what happens, well, on my PC atleast.
Post by: Gloei on January 09, 2006, 12:05:00 PM
QUOTE(xecuterbox @ Jan 9 2006, 05:38 PM)
I just like to mention that to make it easy to access the flash wiki - I have created a domain - http://www.360flash.be
Hope you dont mind - but if you do just email me and I can remove it
Just makes it easy to remember
No problem at all
Great idea.
Post by: petepx on January 09, 2006, 03:34:00 PM
Some things I noticed while coding:
- Stage object doesn't exist.
- setInterval is not available.
- anonymous object argument for attachMovie initialisation is not available.
I'll come back with more experiments, analyse and reports.
http://www.tweenpix....p/starfield.rar
Post by: e39m5 on January 09, 2006, 04:20:00 PM
e39m5
Post by: ckpcw on January 09, 2006, 06:04:00 PM
QUOTE(e39m5 @ Jan 9 2006, 03:27 PM)
pete, if your online, go to the 25th page and try my second download. See if its loading a number on the screen a when you hit A the number should go up
e39m5
Just tried your file: external.swf.
Had it (renamed to HexDeluxe of course), Splash.swf, default.xex, and thenumber.txt on a CD
It loaded, but there was no number in the white box and no change when A (or any other key) pressed.
Where exactly is the SWF storing the number? Its not in the "thenumber.txt" file when I run it on my PC - after exiting and re-opening, it resumes counting from the number left off with in a previous opening.
Post by: e39m5 on January 09, 2006, 06:55:00 PM
http://www.paradoxar...k/thenumber.txt
You shouldn't have the text file on your comp or in the CD. When you run the SWF on your comp you should see the number, and when you press A, the number hsould increase by one. If you were connected to the net with your xbox, and it doesn't work on the xbox, you can rule out loadVars with external files. If thats true, that sucks. Does Hexic have any kind of high score system that includes people not using your xbox? If there is and I get the file I can probably grab the code their using to load external variables. I was really counting on this working, if it doesn't work theres not going to be any competitive flash games running.
e39m5
Post by: ckpcw on January 09, 2006, 07:27:00 PM
QUOTE(e39m5 @ Jan 9 2006, 06:02 PM)
the number is stored on the my server space.
http://www.paradoxar...k/thenumber.txt
You shouldn't have the text file on your comp or in the CD. When you run the SWF on your comp you should see the number, and when you press A, the number hsould increase by one. If you were connected to the net with your xbox, and it doesn't work on the xbox, you can rule out loadVars with external files. If thats true, that sucks. Does Hexic have any kind of high score system that includes people not using your xbox? If there is and I get the file I can probably grab the code their using to load external variables. I was really counting on this working, if it doesn't work theres not going to be any competitive flash games running.
e39m5
I did the test with the HDD OUT. The network cable was IN, but it may still prevent Live from connecting. I will try again.
EDIT: Tested it with HDD in, and upon loading of a homebrew Splash.swf, I got a "Disconnected from XboxLive" Alert, and then your swf did not load the number. Maybe later I will try it with the original Splash.swf...
Post by: Mad_Gouki on January 09, 2006, 08:14:00 PM
just an idea, maybe im wrong for suggesting it.
Post by: PedrosPad on January 10, 2006, 07:01:00 AM
QUOTE(Mad_Gouki @ Jan 10 2006, 05:21 AM)
why doesnt somebody make a file browser in flash to view all the system files of the 360?
just an idea, maybe im wrong for suggesting it.
No functioning Flash commands have yet been discovered that allow hard disk directory enumeration.
Post by: jizmo on January 10, 2006, 01:23:00 PM
QUOTE(ravenslayer @ Jan 10 2006, 08:55 PM)
i found this on maxconsole
Ok, can someone (those that know what the files and directories on hdd are) try to edit the kiosk disk .inis and launch .XEX and view .wmv files that are on the HDD to see if they can be launched "externally".
Post by: skyypunk on January 10, 2006, 01:24:00 PM
QUOTE(ravenslayer @ Jan 10 2006, 01:55 PM)
i found this on maxconsole
nice find indeed! thanks!
Post by: PedrosPad on January 10, 2006, 05:29:00 PM
QUOTE(ravenslayer @ Jan 10 2006, 08:55 PM)
i found this on maxconsole
Good info.
But no listing there for USB drives
Post by: JimmyGoon on January 11, 2006, 02:06:00 PM
QUOTE(Altsi @ Jan 11 2006, 09:25 PM)
Yes, Hexic has.. But i doubt this demo has... M$ said, they ripped netword code for achievments, why would have they left leaderboard code?
whoa whoa whoa...
WHY NOT just rip the Hexic (full edition) off the HD... we can mount the HD in linux and pull the files off right..?!!
So then decompile THAT swf and get the networking code... right?!
Post by: troy2000 on January 11, 2006, 03:24:00 PM
For the past month, I have been experimenting with xbox 360 hacks. Mostly they failed. I did however find a way to run a bios flasher through a .xbe, using the original game support. If i can run a file browser from a .swf file, i may be able to create a new addition to the list of supported games (eg: A bios flasher
). I don't want to download a copyrighted DVD, so is there any way for me to get only the Hexic default.xex file. I already have the .swf.Thanks for any help possible!!!!
Troy,
Post by: deakphreak on January 11, 2006, 03:46:00 PM
Post by: teknogeek1300 on January 11, 2006, 06:03:00 PM
Post by: Twan on January 11, 2006, 06:26:00 PM
As soon as the chip is released, if nothing major is achieved, you're just wasting your time....
Post by: deadeyes989 on January 11, 2006, 07:41:00 PM
QUOTE(Twan @ Jan 12 2006, 02:33 AM)
Sigh...what are we trying to obtain? Homebrew flash?
As soon as the chip is released, if nothing major is achieved, you're just wasting your time....
Very true, but for now this is a way for the community to learn ways around 360 security and what not. BESIDES, a chhip may cut us out of xbox live, and could deal heavy damage to our systems if they have any problems (maybe a hidden long term effect). And chips will take a while. This gives our community a chance to mayybe beuild a flash web browser and stuff, which will be very nice to have (and other apps of course)
Post by: [MF]superman on January 11, 2006, 07:56:00 PM
QUOTE(troy2000 @ Jan 11 2006, 04:31 PM)
run a bios flasher through a .xbe,
I think you're confused. 360 executables are not .xbe
QUOTE
whoa whoa whoa...
WHY NOT just rip the Hexic (full edition) off the HD... we can mount the HD in linux and pull the files off right..?!!
So then decompile THAT swf and get the networking code... right?!
WHY NOT just rip the Hexic (full edition) off the HD... we can mount the HD in linux and pull the files off right..?!!
So then decompile THAT swf and get the networking code... right?!
Really depends. With Flash games, a lot of developers use XML to forward data from a game to server, hence, how MS might be keeping track of the scores. For instance, I once created a game in Actionscript/flash. I made it into an installable executable(.exe) and in the code, I told it to take the scores at that end of the game, then look for this XML file on my server and through that XML file generate a leaderboard.
Also, MS might have created their own SDK that is incredibly similar to the Flash SDK that could easily sign the network code when called upon from it's networking library. There are a ton of factors to consider. I doubt they were sloppy with the connecting to the point where we could figure it out that easily.
Post by: deadeyes989 on January 11, 2006, 08:02:00 PM
Post by: JimmyGoon on January 11, 2006, 08:15:00 PM
QUOTE
superman' date='Jan 12 2006, 04:03 AM' post='3180963']
I think you're confused. 360 executables are not .xbe
Really depends. With Flash games, a lot of developers use XML to forward data from a game to server, hence, how MS might be keeping track of the scores. For instance, I once created a game in Actionscript/flash. I made it into an installable executable(.exe) and in the code, I told it to take the scores at that end of the game, then look for this XML file on my server and through that XML file generate a leaderboard.
Also, MS might have created their own SDK that is incredibly similar to the Flash SDK that could easily sign the network code when called upon from it's networking library. There are a ton of factors to consider. I doubt they were sloppy with the connecting to the point where we could figure it out that easily.
I think you're confused. 360 executables are not .xbe
Really depends. With Flash games, a lot of developers use XML to forward data from a game to server, hence, how MS might be keeping track of the scores. For instance, I once created a game in Actionscript/flash. I made it into an installable executable(.exe) and in the code, I told it to take the scores at that end of the game, then look for this XML file on my server and through that XML file generate a leaderboard.
Also, MS might have created their own SDK that is incredibly similar to the Flash SDK that could easily sign the network code when called upon from it's networking library. There are a ton of factors to consider. I doubt they were sloppy with the connecting to the point where we could figure it out that easily.
right. so why not just grab the SWF off of the HD and take a look. I don't have the technical knowledge or guts to bust open my 360 but there may be some more dedicated than I here.
Post by: Gloei on January 12, 2006, 02:43:00 AM
QUOTE(JimmyGoon @ Jan 12 2006, 04:22 AM)
right. so why not just grab the SWF off of the HD and take a look. I don't have the technical knowledge or guts to bust open my 360 but there may be some more dedicated than I here.
The actual networking code is all built into the default.xex. The SWF simply calls some functions ("SaveStats", "LoadStats", etc...) that are implemented in the default.xex. This way we are very limited in the things we can do with networking. Using the functions we have we might be able to save achievements and scores for Hexic. There is a function getUrl("url"); which is actually used in Hexic's code, but I haven't heard of anyone successfully using it in his/her program. If we're not allowed to use getUrl with a internet address then it's just not possible to perform any network actions
(unless someone finds a bug or a workaround )
Post by: Keshire on January 12, 2006, 03:46:00 AM
Unless.... You manage to call an external swf from within the one mounted on the hard drive. Then at least you'll only have to mount it once.
Post by: PedrosPad on January 12, 2006, 05:07:00 AM
QUOTE(Keshire @ Jan 12 2006, 12:53 PM)
If the xex for hexic deluxe supports different functions then your going to need to mount the new swf's on the harddrive instead of just burning to disc. I'm sure this has been stated but still. Not an ideal situation.
Unless.... You manage to call an external swf from within the one mounted on the hard drive. Then at least you'll only have to mount it once.
A very accurate statement, and an interesting idea - authoring a SWF for the HDD that simply chains a SWF on the media in the DVD drive (assuming, of course, that the more complete HDD Flash player supports this).
I know that people have played the HDD Hexic SWF using the Kiosk player (and it largely works), but I've not actually read that anyone has attempted to get the HDD Flash player to run anything other that the Hexic HD SWF (Injecting stuff onto the HDD takes more effort). It may well turn out to be the case that, unlike the Kiosk one, the HDD Hexic Flash player does checksum the SWF before running.
Post by: Keshire on January 12, 2006, 05:24:00 AM
QUOTE
unlike the Kiosk one, the HDD Hexic Flash player does checksum the SWF before running.
I see no reason why they'd even need to do that.
And if the Deluxe hexic is updating the leaderboard from the disc obviously the demo has network code.
There's obviously a lot of basic tests that haven't been done yet.
Post by: JimmyGoon on January 12, 2006, 05:33:00 AM
I guess I'm saying for a development standpoint why not just rip apart the HDD Hexic to test the other networking code?
Also ... checksums suck
but does it check some all of the SWF's ???
Post by: Gloei on January 12, 2006, 06:14:00 AM
QUOTE(JimmyGoon @ Jan 12 2006, 01:40 PM)
I guess I'm saying for a development standpoint why not just rip apart the HDD Hexic to test the other networking code?
Yeah, this is exactly what we need. Someone has to decompile the HDD Hexic .swf file and make a list of ALL used getUrl("FSCommand:xxxxx", yyyyy); and fscommand("xxxxx"); calls. We already have such a list for the kiosk Hexic .swf file (in the wiki).
Post by: Keshire on January 12, 2006, 06:22:00 AM
QUOTE(Gloei @ Jan 12 2006, 07:21 AM)
Yeah, this is exactly what we need. Someone has to decompile the HDD Hexic .swf file and make a list of ALL used getUrl("FSCommand:xxxxx", yyyyy); and fscommand("xxxxx"); calls. We already have such a list for the kiosk Hexic .swf file (in the wiki).
I thought there were people that've already done that though? Even stated so within the thread.
Post by: troy2000 on January 12, 2006, 06:23:00 AM
I think you're confused. 360 executables are not .xbe
As i said. I am using the original xbox game support to launch a .xbe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: PedrosPad on January 12, 2006, 06:31:00 AM
QUOTE(PedrosPad @ Jan 12 2006, 02:14 PM)
I know that people have played the HDD Hexic SWF using the Kiosk player (and it largely works), but I've not actually read that anyone has attempted to get the HDD Flash player to run anything other that the Hexic HD SWF (Injecting stuff onto the HDD takes more effort). It may well turn out to be the case that, unlike the Kiosk one, the HDD Hexic Flash player does checksum the SWF before running.
I recall now that the HDD based Hexic HD files are enclosed in a PIRS container, and do not actually exist as separate files on the X360 HDD. Thus the default.xex Flash player need not checksum the Hexic SWF itself as the signed PIRS archive already does this.
The files within the PIRS archive, including the default.xex and the SWF, can be extracted (see PIRSTOOLS and here for the results), and could be placed back on the X360 HDD (necessary due to the default.xexs HDD media flag!), but then we'd still need a method to launch the HDD-located default.xex Flash player (for which no technique is yet known
). (No way currently exists to rebuild and correctly sign our own PIRS files!)It would appears that M$ intends that all downloadable executable content be enclosed in PIRS containers, as precious few actual XEX files appear on the HDD - Only 2, IIRC - both to do with running the XBOX1 backwards compatibility support. I guess we could replace one of those 2 XEXs with the HDD Flash player XEX, and see if attempting to run a legacy XBOX1 invokes it.
Post by: Keshire on January 12, 2006, 11:48:00 PM
QUOTE(PedrosPad @ Jan 12 2006, 07:38 AM)
I recall now that the HDD based Hexic HD files are enclosed in a PIRS container, and do not actually exist as separate files on the X360 HDD. Thus the default.xex Flash player need not checksum the Hexic SWF itself as the signed PIRS archive already does this.
The files within the PIRS archive, including the default.xex and the SWF, can be extracted (see PIRSTOOLS and here for the results), and could be placed back on the X360 HDD (necessary due to the default.xexs HDD media flag!), but then we'd still need a method to launch the HDD-located default.xex Flash player (for which no technique is yet known
). (No way currently exists to rebuild and correctly sign our own PIRS files!)It would appears that M$ intends that all downloadable executable content be enclosed in PIRS containers, as precious few actual XEX files appear on the HDD - Only 2, IIRC - both to do with running the XBOX1 backwards compatibility support. I guess we could replace one of those 2 XEXs with the HDD Flash player XEX, and see if attempting to run a legacy XBOX1 invokes it.
That does put a damper on things. Will xex run outside the pirs container? I haven't been keeping track of some of these developments. At least you can still decompile the deluxe hexic. So why hasn't it been documentated yet?
Post by: Angerwound on January 13, 2006, 12:10:00 AM
QUOTE(PedrosPad @ Jan 12 2006, 07:38 AM)
It would appears that M$ intends that all downloadable executable content be enclosed in PIRS containers, as precious few actual XEX files appear on the HDD - Only 2, IIRC - both to do with running the XBOX1 backwards compatibility support. I guess we could replace one of those 2 XEXs with the HDD Flash player XEX, and see if attempting to run a legacy XBOX1 invokes it.
I like this idea very much! Good 'ol Pedro sneak attacks!
Post by: PedrosPad on January 13, 2006, 02:26:00 AM
QUOTE(Keshire @ Jan 13 2006, 08:55 AM)
Will xex run outside the pirs container?
A fair question. Since 2 XEXs do exist on the HDD, there is promise.
QUOTE(Keshire @ Jan 13 2006, 08:55 AM)
I haven't been keeping track of some of these developments. At least you can still decompile the deluxe hexic. So why hasn't it been documentated yet?
I'm not sure it hasn't.
Since the FSCommand calls to XBOX!Live were included in the Hexic demo , I think the demo SWF was pretty much the whole thing. It just that the demos default.xex Flash player was compiled to ignore certain FSCommand calls. I don't think the Hexic HD actually contained anything new (IIRC there was one new FSCommand called 'return to dash' that someone in this thread mentioned).
Post by: Rymez on January 13, 2006, 02:49:00 AM
QUOTE
Will xex run outside the pirs container?
I will give that a go this weekend.
QUOTE
At least you can still decompile the deluxe hexic. So why hasn't it been documentated yet?
I have decompiled the deluxe swf what do you need?
QUOTE
So is there the possibility that the DVD xex has the networking support in it and we just need the SWF code from the HDD version to utilize it?
Unfortunately the HDD version will only run on the Hdd due to the media flag. I have tried.
This post has been edited by Rymez: Jan 13 2006, 10:49 AM
Post by: Keshire on January 13, 2006, 03:24:00 AM
QUOTE(Rymez @ Jan 13 2006, 03:56 AM)
I have decompiled the deluxe swf what do you need?
Any differences noted in the Flash 360 wiki.
And possibly upped to the usual places for others to test with.
Post by: Neodug on January 14, 2006, 08:50:00 AM
Post by: teknogeek1300 on January 14, 2006, 08:53:00 AM
QUOTE(Neodug @ Jan 14 2006, 04:57 PM)
Just an idea: If you embed a video file in a SWF (the sound and video normally go out of sync but hey!) could you then run it on the Xbox 360?
Yes, I have succesfuly run a SWF video
Post by: deakphreak on January 14, 2006, 09:29:00 AM
Post by: teknogeek1300 on January 14, 2006, 09:44:00 AM
Simple video I found.
Right-click, save as.
Post by: Neodug on January 14, 2006, 11:56:00 AM
Post by: deakphreak on January 14, 2006, 12:00:00 PM
Post by: Neodug on January 14, 2006, 04:40:00 PM
Post by: -PK- on January 14, 2006, 05:05:00 PM
QUOTE
So is there the possibility that the DVD xex has the networking support in it and we just need the SWF code from the HDD version to utilize it?
QUOTE(Rymez @ Jan 13 2006, 10:56 AM)
Unfortunately the HDD version will only run on the Hdd due to the media flag. I have tried.
He was saying analyze the hexic hdd swf code and try to duplicate it's network-related calls using the kiosk's default.xex & a homebrew swf - As it may be possible that the kiosk swf had the networking calls removed in the code, but the xex itself may still allow these networking calls.
Post by: Angerwound on January 14, 2006, 05:51:00 PM
QUOTE(PedrosPad @ Jan 12 2006, 07:38 AM)
It would appears that M$ intends that all downloadable executable content be enclosed in PIRS containers, as precious few actual XEX files appear on the HDD - Only 2, IIRC - both to do with running the XBOX1 backwards compatibility support. I guess we could replace one of those 2 XEXs with the HDD Flash player XEX, and see if attempting to run a legacy XBOX1 invokes it.
HDD-Based Hexic Executable
CODE
Magic: 'XEX2'
ModuleFlags: 1
DataOffset: 8192
Reserved: 0
FileHeaderOffset: 200
OptionalHeaderEntries: 14
FILE HEADER
module flags: 0x000005BC
load address: 0x92000000
image size: 0x002A5000
game region: 0xFFFFFFFF
image flags: 0x10000000
allowed media types: 0x18000000
Live-signed package
Xbox platform package
ModuleFlags: 1
DataOffset: 8192
Reserved: 0
FileHeaderOffset: 200
OptionalHeaderEntries: 14
FILE HEADER
module flags: 0x000005BC
load address: 0x92000000
image size: 0x002A5000
game region: 0xFFFFFFFF
image flags: 0x10000000
allowed media types: 0x18000000
Live-signed package
Xbox platform package
As you can see they have incorporated new media flags for 'PIRS' package execution. So not only does the entire PIRS packaged need to be signed. The .xex within must also be set to the correct media type.
Now the interesting part about the kiosk based Hexic .xex is this output.
CODE
Magic: 'XEX2'
ModuleFlags: 1
DataOffset: 8192
Reserved: 0
FileHeaderOffset: 200
OptionalHeaderEntries: 14
FILE HEADER
module flags: 0x00000574
load address: 0x82000000
image size: 0x002A0000
game region: 0xFFFFFFFF
image flags: 0x00000000
allowed media types: 0x00000605
hard disk
DVD/CD
SMB filesystem
direct-from-RAM
ModuleFlags: 1
DataOffset: 8192
Reserved: 0
FileHeaderOffset: 200
OptionalHeaderEntries: 14
FILE HEADER
module flags: 0x00000574
load address: 0x82000000
image size: 0x002A0000
game region: 0xFFFFFFFF
image flags: 0x00000000
allowed media types: 0x00000605
hard disk
DVD/CD
SMB filesystem
direct-from-RAM
Direct-From-Ram?! SMB Filesystem??!
Post by: teknogeek1300 on January 14, 2006, 06:01:00 PM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jan 15 2006, 01:58 AM)
HDD-Based Hexic Executable
CODE
Magic: 'XEX2'
ModuleFlags: 1
DataOffset: 8192
Reserved: 0
FileHeaderOffset: 200
OptionalHeaderEntries: 14
FILE HEADER
module flags: 0x000005BC
load address: 0x92000000
image size: 0x002A5000
game region: 0xFFFFFFFF
image flags: 0x10000000
allowed media types: 0x18000000
Live-signed package
Xbox platform package
ModuleFlags: 1
DataOffset: 8192
Reserved: 0
FileHeaderOffset: 200
OptionalHeaderEntries: 14
FILE HEADER
module flags: 0x000005BC
load address: 0x92000000
image size: 0x002A5000
game region: 0xFFFFFFFF
image flags: 0x10000000
allowed media types: 0x18000000
Live-signed package
Xbox platform package
As you can see they have incorporated new media flags for 'PIRS' package execution. So not only does the entire PIRS packaged need to be signed. The .xex within must also be set to the correct media type. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Now the interesting part about the kiosk based Hexic .xex is this output.
CODE
Magic: 'XEX2'
ModuleFlags: 1
DataOffset: 8192
Reserved: 0
FileHeaderOffset: 200
OptionalHeaderEntries: 14
FILE HEADER
module flags: 0x00000574
load address: 0x82000000
image size: 0x002A0000
game region: 0xFFFFFFFF
image flags: 0x00000000
allowed media types: 0x00000605
hard disk
DVD/CD
SMB filesystem
direct-from-RAM
ModuleFlags: 1
DataOffset: 8192
Reserved: 0
FileHeaderOffset: 200
OptionalHeaderEntries: 14
FILE HEADER
module flags: 0x00000574
load address: 0x82000000
image size: 0x002A0000
game region: 0xFFFFFFFF
image flags: 0x00000000
allowed media types: 0x00000605
hard disk
DVD/CD
SMB filesystem
direct-from-RAM
Direct-From-Ram?! SMB Filesystem??!
How can we use this to benifit us?
Post by: Angerwound on January 14, 2006, 06:19:00 PM
SMB Filesystem means you'd also be able to execute this file over a SMB network share.
Post by: JimmyGoon on January 14, 2006, 09:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jan 15 2006, 02:26 AM)
Because of the 2 other media flags.
SMB Filesystem means you'd also be able to execute this file over a SMB network share.
er... couldn't you change the code executing after its been verfied?!?!?!?!
Post by: ckpcw on January 14, 2006, 10:05:00 PM
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on January 14, 2006, 10:24:00 PM
Post by: Zenofex on January 15, 2006, 01:50:00 PM
Post by: MaTiAz on January 15, 2006, 02:00:00 PM
QUOTE(Zenofex @ Jan 15 2006, 10:57 PM)
In previous posts I read that the memory was un-executeable, but if kiosk hexic can run "directly from RAM" doesn't that mean that the memory is executeable?
The stack isn't executable, but memory is, it has to be because XEX's are copied to memory and executed there.
Post by: Keshire on January 15, 2006, 11:32:00 PM
Post by: ymgve on January 16, 2006, 09:32:00 AM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jan 15 2006, 01:58 AM)
HDD-Based Hexic Executable
CODE
Magic: 'XEX2'
ModuleFlags: 1
DataOffset: 8192
Reserved: 0
FileHeaderOffset: 200
OptionalHeaderEntries: 14
FILE HEADER
module flags: 0x000005BC
load address: 0x92000000
image size: 0x002A5000
game region: 0xFFFFFFFF
image flags: 0x10000000
allowed media types: 0x18000000
Live-signed package
Xbox platform package
ModuleFlags: 1
DataOffset: 8192
Reserved: 0
FileHeaderOffset: 200
OptionalHeaderEntries: 14
FILE HEADER
module flags: 0x000005BC
load address: 0x92000000
image size: 0x002A5000
game region: 0xFFFFFFFF
image flags: 0x10000000
allowed media types: 0x18000000
Live-signed package
Xbox platform package
As you can see they have incorporated new media flags for 'PIRS' package execution. So not only does the entire PIRS packaged need to be signed. The .xex within must also be set to the correct media type. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Now the interesting part about the kiosk based Hexic .xex is this output.
CODE
Magic: 'XEX2'
ModuleFlags: 1
DataOffset: 8192
Reserved: 0
FileHeaderOffset: 200
OptionalHeaderEntries: 14
FILE HEADER
module flags: 0x00000574
load address: 0x82000000
image size: 0x002A0000
game region: 0xFFFFFFFF
image flags: 0x00000000
allowed media types: 0x00000605
hard disk
DVD/CD
SMB filesystem
direct-from-RAM
ModuleFlags: 1
DataOffset: 8192
Reserved: 0
FileHeaderOffset: 200
OptionalHeaderEntries: 14
FILE HEADER
module flags: 0x00000574
load address: 0x82000000
image size: 0x002A0000
game region: 0xFFFFFFFF
image flags: 0x00000000
allowed media types: 0x00000605
hard disk
DVD/CD
SMB filesystem
direct-from-RAM
Direct-From-Ram?! SMB Filesystem??!
What tool do you use to get this info from the xex files?
Post by: Twan on January 16, 2006, 11:00:00 AM
Post by: ravenslayer on January 16, 2006, 12:09:00 PM
But for the real xbox-scene it's homebrew what counts and not how to run an illegal copy of a game
So it think you'll beter search yourself a warezboard to post your stupid comments.
Post by: teknogeek1300 on January 16, 2006, 12:32:00 PM
QUOTE(ravenslayer @ Jan 16 2006, 08:16 PM)
yeah maybe it's pointless to people like you who only have intrest running "backups" of games .
But for the real xbox-scene it's homebrew what counts and not how to run an illegal copy of a game
So it think you'll beter search yourself a warezboard to post your stupid comments.
Agreed^
Post by: deadparrot on January 16, 2006, 12:54:00 PM
QUOTE(ymgve @ Jan 16 2006, 04:39 PM)
What tool do you use to get this info from the xex files?
You can use XeX Tool for that. Very useful utility.
Post by: MetalMickey on January 16, 2006, 01:47:00 PM
QUOTE
Magic: 'XEX2'
ModuleFlags: 1
DataOffset: 8192
Reserved: 0
FileHeaderOffset: 200
OptionalHeaderEntries: 14
FILE HEADER
module flags: 0x00000574
load address: 0x82000000
image size: 0x002A0000
game region: 0xFFFFFFFF
image flags: 0x00000000
allowed media types: 0x00000605
hard disk
DVD/CD
SMB filesystem
direct-from-RAM
ModuleFlags: 1
DataOffset: 8192
Reserved: 0
FileHeaderOffset: 200
OptionalHeaderEntries: 14
FILE HEADER
module flags: 0x00000574
load address: 0x82000000
image size: 0x002A0000
game region: 0xFFFFFFFF
image flags: 0x00000000
allowed media types: 0x00000605
hard disk
DVD/CD
SMB filesystem
direct-from-RAM
Has anyone tried creating a kiosk disk to run the kiosk version of Hexic from smb:// instead of game:// as a proof of concept?
Post by: yngwie001 on January 17, 2006, 02:14:00 AM
I understand that you all have a life other than on here, Are there significant hurdles that have been encountered?
Kudos to all you guys who have tried and tested ideas though.
Post by: PedrosPad on January 18, 2006, 02:48:00 AM
QUOTE(yngwie001 @ Jan 17 2006, 11:21 AM)
Just wondering how all these experiments were coming along as it seems that progress has slowed down alot.
Personally, Im in the process of procuring the components I need to connect the X360 HDD to my PC, in order to facilitate new directions in research.
Post by: Gloei on January 18, 2006, 03:03:00 AM
QUOTE(yngwie001 @ Jan 17 2006, 10:21 AM)
Just wondering how all these experiments were coming along as it seems that progress has slowed down alot.
I understand that you all have a life other than on here, Are there significant hurdles that have been encountered?
Kudos to all you guys who have tried and tested ideas though.
Jep, had to finish a project for school
I've just started working on my first full xbox360 flash game with some friends. As far as I can see we currently know enough stuff to be able to create (full) games in flash. However, there are still some minor things left we have to investigate: Things to investigate (from the Wiki).Maybe everyone lost interest due to the fact that we already found out enough to fabricate our own games. Or, most people were just only interested in this project in the hope we could use it to run unsigned code or disk backups...
Let's hope more people get interested when the first full xbox 360 flash games iso's arrive
(Anyone played Alien Hominid? Wouldn't it be cool to have such a game created for the Xbox 360?
)I think we just have to create our own little games so we can inspire the really skilled flash game creators to make even better homebrew games for the xbox 360
Post by: teknogeek1300 on January 18, 2006, 03:10:00 AM
Post by: jizmo on January 18, 2006, 03:16:00 AM
The biggest thing limiting the Flash development is the fact that straight conversion almost never works and debugging is next to impossible. We should have the same flash player with the same limitations on the PC side to easily try out the converted animations and games. Or to atleast get launcing SWF's from x360 somehow easier.
In the current situation the fun of exploring x360's Flash pretty much ends after burning the nineteenth copy of your SWF and getting a black screen once again.
This post has been edited by jizmo: Jan 18 2006, 11:19 AM
Post by: PedrosPad on January 18, 2006, 03:56:00 AM
QUOTE(jizmo @ Jan 18 2006, 12:23 PM)
The biggest thing limiting the Flash development is the fact that straight conversion almost never works and debugging is next to impossible. We should have the same flash player with the same limitations on the PC side to easily try out the converted animations and games.
QUOTE(jizmo @ Jan 18 2006, 12:23 PM)
Or to atleast get launcing SWF's from x360 somehow easier.
I'm researching a few ideas for that.
Post by: Gloei on January 18, 2006, 06:16:00 AM
QUOTE(jizmo @ Jan 18 2006, 11:23 AM)
The biggest thing limiting the Flash development is the fact that straight conversion almost never works and debugging is next to impossible. We should have the same flash player with the same limitations on the PC side to easily try out the converted animations and games. Or to atleast get launcing SWF's from x360 somehow easier.
Yeah, nice idea! Someone could grab an open source flash player and just hack out a lot of features that the xbox version doesnt support
And maybe even implement the same fsCommands and getUrls as the XBOX player has.That would definitely make
Post by: deakphreak on January 18, 2006, 09:01:00 AM
Post by: deadparrot on January 18, 2006, 09:25:00 AM
QUOTE(PedrosPad @ Jan 18 2006, 11:03 AM)
I'm researching a few ideas for that.
SMB? Would be great if we could get it to work. Then we'd almost have remote debugging!
Post by: rooter75 on January 20, 2006, 12:41:00 PM
QUOTE(deakphreak @ Jan 18 2006, 09:08 AM)
i havnt been able to contribute other then supplying the downloads and making my "xbox 360 modchip" video lol you can find that in my sig for the xbox downloads. Kind of amusing i think.
Sorry to slow down the technical talk but deakphreak there is something horribly wrong with your mod I tried it with my xbox 360 and I left it like you showed but I got a RAT not a CAT what am I supposed to do with a RAT!?
Props on the vid! I admit it I laughed
Post by: deakphreak on January 26, 2006, 08:54:00 AM
QUOTE(rooter75 @ Jan 20 2006, 08:48 PM)
Sorry to slow down the technical talk but deakphreak there is something horribly wrong with your mod I tried it with my xbox 360 and I left it like you showed but I got a RAT not a CAT what am I supposed to do with a RAT!?
Props on the vid! I admit it I laughed
Thanks ha ha and i will work on a mod right a way to fix your rat prollem
Post by: Funny Site on January 27, 2006, 02:38:00 PM
Post by: DarkDeity on January 30, 2006, 07:32:00 PM
QUOTE(deakphreak @ Jan 18 2006, 11:08 AM)
Im still updating my downloads on my site as i see them, but recently ive had someone wanting me to create a site for them ect. so i havnt been able to contribute other then supplying the downloads and making my "xbox 360 modchip" video lol you can find that in my sig for the xbox downloads. Kind of amusing i think.
kitty!!
Post by: deakphreak on January 30, 2006, 11:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Funny Site @ Jan 27 2006, 10:45 PM)
I hate you Deak Phreak
Did you sign up just to say that??? I feel so special
Post by: deadparrot on January 31, 2006, 01:07:00 AM
If not, I'll see if I can get my friend to do it.
Post by: PedrosPad on February 01, 2006, 03:13:00 AM
QUOTE(deadparrot @ Jan 31 2006, 10:14 AM)
Well, it looks like we won't be able to run the actual Kiosk disc after update, so is anyone willing enough to update, and see if we can still load the Hexic XEX from anywhere?
If not, I'll see if I can get my friend to do it.
QUOTE(PedrosPad @ Jan 18 2006, 11:55 AM)
Personally, Im in the process of procuring the components I need to connect the X360 HDD to my PC, in order to facilitate new directions in research.
I've made progress on this (see here). I'm working toward attempting to get the unpacked HexicHD PIRS archive to run from the HDD first, then I'll try swapping around the SWF file. I'm doing all this prior to updating the X360 Dash. If I get it working, I'll update the Dash and retest.
Post by: teknogeek1300 on February 01, 2006, 03:28:00 AM
Post by: Gloei on February 01, 2006, 07:07:00 AM
Post by: jizmo on February 01, 2006, 08:00:00 AM
QUOTE(Gloei @ Feb 1 2006, 04:14 PM)
Yeah, I hope it will still work after the update. Otherwise I think our little flash adventure has come to an end (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
It's been halted, but it really hasn't come to an end.
First possible scenario: Non-media check DVD firmware patch and booting the hexic from the new v1.4 Kiosk disc - or using the one extracted from the HDD.
Second possible scenario: Getting that HDD reading / writing on PC working properly and replacing the SWF on the HDD with your own ones.
Both scenarios take time to realise, but will happen over time - I wouldn't bury the 360 Flash just yet. If non-media check DVD drives are the only mod we're bound to get anytime soon, Hexic flash is the only probable way of running any kind of homebrew on x360 in the foreseeable future.
This post has been edited by jizmo: Feb 1 2006, 04:34 PM
Post by: PedrosPad on February 01, 2006, 08:54:00 AM
QUOTE(PedrosPad @ Feb 1 2006, 12:20 PM)
I'm working toward attempting to get the unpacked HexicHD PIRS archive to run from the HDD first, then I'll try swapping around the SWF file. I'm doing all this prior to updating the X360 Dash. If I get it working, I'll update the Dash and retest.
Angerwound has reminded me that in his post here he pointed out that the HexicHD FlashPlayer XEX is flagged to only run with within a PIRS archive.
But also that the DVD Kiosk FlashPlayer XEX is also flagged for execution from the hard disk. So, in light of the latest Dash update, the test has changed from trying to gain some benefit for using the (fuller?) HexicHD HDD Flash Player, to simply trying to get the Kiosk DVD Flash Player working again - this time via the hard disk.PS. Although the latest Dash update prevents the Kiosk demo disk from working, this may have been achieved by simply blocking the demo disk's D:\default.xex - Can someone who has already updated try out a DVD with the Flash Player as the root default.xex.
Post by: Gloei on February 01, 2006, 09:35:00 AM
I really hope the kiosk Hexic still runs with this new patch installed. I can't help testing however, I don't want to loose the possibity to run .swf files (not just yet). I'm still working on a small game in flash for the xbox 360...
QUOTE(PedrosPad @ Feb 1 2006, 05:01 PM)
PS. Although the latest Dash update prevents the Kiosk demo disk from working, this may have been achieved by simply blocking the demo disk's D:\default.xex - Can someone who has already updated try out a DVD with the Flash Player as the root default.xex.
Sounds like a possibility.
Someone could write the following files to a new CDR (or CDRW, or any other medium), in the root:
Splash.swf
HexicDeluxe.swf
default.xex (found in the \demos\Hexic\ map on the Kiosk disk)
and see if it boots from your XBOX 360 with the new update installed. It runs perfectly on a non-updated xbox 360. Ohw and when it doesn't boot the first time, try 3 times... just to be absolutely sure.
This post has been edited by Gloei: Feb 1 2006, 05:52 PM
Post by: NoFace on February 01, 2006, 05:38:00 PM
Someone could write the following files to a new CDR (or CDRW, or any other medium), in the root:
Splash.swf
HexicDeluxe.swf
default.xex (found in the \demos\Hexic\ map on the Kiosk disk)
and see if it boots from your XBOX 360 with the new update installed. It runs perfectly on a non-updated xbox 360. Ohw and when it doesn't boot the first time, try 3 times... just to be absolutely sure.
-----------------------------
I have an updated xbox 360, and I have tried your method. Disk wont boot, and yes I tried it multiple times. The disk contained the files you listed, and it didnt work. Looks like MS put a media checker within the dash itself (or something along those lines). Whats this I hear about a newer kiosk disk?
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on February 01, 2006, 10:49:00 PM
So, I still have a 360 that will run the kiosk disk... 2 in fact...
Post by: Gloei on February 02, 2006, 02:09:00 AM
QUOTE(NoFace @ Feb 2 2006, 01:45 AM)
I have an updated xbox 360, and I have tried your method. Disk wont boot, and yes I tried it multiple times. The disk contained the files you listed, and it didnt work. Looks like MS put a media checker within the dash itself (or something along those lines). Whats this I hear about a newer kiosk disk?
I too tried it on an updated xbox360 at work and it didn't boot either. I think this confirms it. We now need to find an alternative way of getting a flash player (either the kiosk disk's or the hdd version of Hexic) up and running.
Post by: troist on February 02, 2006, 08:58:00 AM
Post by: NoFace on February 04, 2006, 07:18:00 PM
Post by: deadparrot on February 05, 2006, 05:27:00 AM
This post has been edited by deadparrot: Feb 5 2006, 01:37 PM
Post by: Funny Site on February 07, 2006, 07:43:00 AM
Post by: PedrosPad on February 07, 2006, 09:41:00 AM
QUOTE(Funny Site @ Feb 7 2006, 04:43 PM)
Maybe the Dashboard is checking the MD5 Checksum and maybe we can change some bytes to change the MD5 Checksome to play it (without deak preak's help of course)
Its been reported that original Experience X360 Kiosk disks still work following the Dash update! so the blocking is based on it not being on an XBOXDVD, in addition to any other checks.
PS. Changing a single byte will invalidate the xex signature - so it won't play for that reason instead.
This post has been edited by PedrosPad: Feb 7 2006, 05:44 PM
Post by: bourke on February 08, 2006, 07:31:00 PM
I.e. the DVD-video that plays if you put the disc into a DVD player or computer DVD-ROM.
Since they already suspect an attack on the DVD-firmware itself is imminent, the next easist thing for them to check for is the presence of a valid video session.
Cheers,
Bourkie
Post by: C.in-fvr3 on February 10, 2006, 08:08:00 AM
Post by: pseudoschizo on February 10, 2006, 09:06:00 AM
QUOTE(C.in-fvr3 @ Feb 10 2006, 10:08 AM)
So can somebody plz tell me (im srry i'm noob here) what is the use of this? Burning stuff on other then orriginal xbox 360 hd or write to xbox 360 orginal hd or what?
You could have just read the thread instead of bumping it. The goal of the Flash360 project is running feature-rich homebrew flash content on the 360.
pSc
Post by: joerulzall on February 15, 2006, 05:03:00 AM
dont worry about bw issues as the file is only 10K, and i have unlimited
peace
Post by: bourke on March 02, 2006, 06:21:00 AM
Has anyone else continued work on the Hexic Flash player?
Also, have any of the new games got a firmware updater in them to be wary of?
Cheers,
Bourkie
Post by: gasclown on March 30, 2006, 06:24:00 PM
if only we could keep our 360's alive for more than 48hrs
Post by: PedrosPad on March 31, 2006, 02:02:00 AM
QUOTE(gasclown @ Mar 31 2006, 02:31 AM)
sorry if its been mentioned but retail australian boxes will still boot the kiosk disc, any update will block it of course.
You could check (via the Dashboard 'console info' blade), but I suspect all X360s still ship with firmware OS D:2.0.1888.0. Running Oblivion (if it out in Oz?), will update to you to D/K:2.0.2255.0. Going on XBL will update you to 2.0.2258.0.
Both of these deny the execution of backups of the Kiosk disk.
Downloading and running the March BC update will also update to your Dashboard, but to what OS level has yet to be determined (but I suspect D/K:2.0.2255.0 again).
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