Post by: tomcoleman on November 21, 2005, 02:30:00 PM
You could take out the SATA cable plug a PC SATA cable in the drive then plug in your PC see if it detects it and trying reading a xbox 360 disc through the PC using the xbox 360 drive?
If this doesnt work it would rule out the security chip being embedded into the DVD drive.
Has anyone pluged the HDD in via SATA?
Post by: TheSpecialist on November 21, 2005, 02:31:00 PM
QUOTE(tomcoleman @ Nov 21 2005, 10:01 PM)
The chip for decoding the disks might be embedded in the DVD drive itself. I know this DVD drive is manufactored by LG/Hitachi
You could take out the SATA cable plug a PC SATA cable in the drive then plug in your PC see if it detects it and trying reading a xbox 360 disc through the PC using the xbox 360 drive?
If this doesnt work it would rule out the security chip being embedded into the DVD drive.
Has anyone pluged the HDD in via SATA?
You could take out the SATA cable plug a PC SATA cable in the drive then plug in your PC see if it detects it and trying reading a xbox 360 disc through the PC using the xbox 360 drive?
If this doesnt work it would rule out the security chip being embedded into the DVD drive.
Has anyone pluged the HDD in via SATA?
I like the idea, but you'd have to write your own driver for it ...
Post by: deadparrot on November 21, 2005, 03:23:00 PM
Post by: TheSpecialist on November 21, 2005, 07:36:00 PM
QUOTE(deadparrot @ Nov 21 2005, 10:54 PM)
I believe it has been tested and proven as having zero functionality on a PC so far.
That's because no one succeeded in writing the correct driver.
Post by: Arakon on November 22, 2005, 06:21:00 AM
also, the drives seem to be using a standard chipset, but with custom firmware.. same thing as with xbox 1.
Post by: Dark_Neo on November 22, 2005, 07:00:00 AM
Post by: TheSpecialist on November 22, 2005, 09:56:00 AM
QUOTE(Arakon @ Nov 22 2005, 01:52 PM)
I doubt the drive alone will be able to read 360 games on a PC, driver or not.. not even the old xbox drive could do that, and the disk format etc are known.
Well, it's a combination of firmware and driver that's needed to read every single bit on the disc, so i don't see why it can't be done.
I think it hasn't been done on the xbox 1 since there was just no need for it, there were modchips very soon after the release. On the 360 however, it might be much more difficult to create a (soft) mod, so reading every single bit on the DVD might be required this time to build something to play backups ...
Post by: deadparrot on November 22, 2005, 09:50:00 AM
You can find it here.
Post by: Tobb555 on November 22, 2005, 10:37:00 AM
Post by: deadparrot on November 22, 2005, 10:52:00 AM
Post by: Arakon on November 22, 2005, 11:28:00 AM
Post by: Arakon on November 22, 2005, 11:31:00 AM
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Post by: deadparrot on November 22, 2005, 02:06:00 PM
Post by: Tobb555 on November 22, 2005, 02:26:00 PM
Post by: FunkyD on November 22, 2005, 05:45:00 PM
Since an xbox1 dvd drive reads that it is a 360 disc, maybe we could see what else is on the disc via ftp, or just one of the many file managers there are on xbox.
Post by: Havok on November 22, 2005, 05:58:00 PM
QUOTE(FunkyD @ Nov 23 2005, 12:16 AM)
Has anyone tried reading a 360 disc from an xbox1 dvd drive?
Since an xbox1 dvd drive reads that it is a 360 disc, maybe we could see what else is on the disc via ftp, or just one of the many file managers there are on xbox.
Since an xbox1 dvd drive reads that it is a 360 disc, maybe we could see what else is on the disc via ftp, or just one of the many file managers there are on xbox.
I don't think it recognizes it as anything but a regular DVd and plays the Video file.
Post by: happywaffles on November 22, 2005, 10:56:00 PM
Post by: Psilocybe on November 23, 2005, 07:34:00 PM
Post by: Xombe on November 23, 2005, 07:25:00 PM
QUOTE(Psilocybe @ Nov 24 2005, 10:05 AM)
the majority of you are idiots
Thank you. :)
Post by: marko33 on November 24, 2005, 11:05:00 AM
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Post by: deadparrot on November 24, 2005, 12:25:00 PM
Post by: vteck2005 on November 24, 2005, 02:37:00 PM
To summarize what they found:
When you put an Xbox 360 game into the xbox only vob files show up like on a DVD. This must mean that the xbox 360 disks have a hidden partition, probably only readable on the xbox 360.
The message everyone sees when you put the xbox 360 disk into the xbox can also be seen in dvd players and other things that play DVDs (PS2 and what not).
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Post by: deadparrot on November 24, 2005, 02:54:00 PM
Post by: mike315 on November 25, 2005, 07:56:00 AM
QUOTE(deadparrot @ Nov 24 2005, 10:25 PM)
That much has been made clear. What I want to know is if you use a SATA to IDE converter, using the 360 DVD in the xbox1, can it read the DVDs?
Doubtful. The drive firmware has to follow a standard that a PC could read. Its highly doubtful that MS included a drive that followed any known firmware standards.
SATA, IDE, SCSI...no converter will be able to help you get past the firmware. So unless we see someone pull the firmware bin off and fudges that or someone write a specific driver for the unit, don't expect too much out of the elementary hacks.
Post by: soulbadguy on November 26, 2005, 10:25:00 PM
as long as the density of the disk isnt change it should be possible to read it ?...
Post by: thebroken on November 26, 2005, 11:23:00 PM
Post by: soulbadguy on November 27, 2005, 04:55:00 AM
QUOTE(thebroken @ Nov 27 2005, 06:54 AM) 
no you cant read it its just like xbox 1 disc you couldnt read it due to teh fact its a xiso so x360 probaly has xiso360 or something similar
nope i dont think that the reaon why ... low level reading have nothing to do with fs on the drive...
some one say on #free60 channel that it was du to a modified TOC on the disck that display only a limited size of the disk check on xbox-linux
Post by: 1nick9 on November 27, 2005, 10:34:00 AM
Post by: NarutoKun on December 01, 2005, 01:34:00 AM
Post by: StepsAscend on December 01, 2005, 10:11:00 AM
Post by: lordvader129 on December 01, 2005, 10:36:00 AM
QUOTE(NarutoKun @ Dec 1 2005, 02:05 AM)
i was thinking about dumping the firmware from the x360 dvd drive and flashing it to a normal pc LG/Hitachi drive with some trial and error we might have some success..
this would only allow you to use the PC drive in a 360 to read games (as as the PC drive mods with xbox)
it will not allow you to read the 360 games in a PC
Post by: Transmeta on December 01, 2005, 01:10:00 PM
program yet ???? Cous i think that the hard bits of the
dvd tracks, like sectors and everything is standard.
So a raw reed maybe gona give us a clue of the structure
on the game dvd's (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Post by: lordvader129 on December 01, 2005, 12:50:00 PM
QUOTE(Transmeta @ Dec 1 2005, 01:41 PM)
Anyone tried to scan a 360 game dvd with a raw sector read
program yet ???? Cous i think that the hard bits of the
dvd tracks, like sectors and everything is standard.
So a raw reed maybe gona give us a clue of the structure
on the game dvd's
im sure its been tried, and im sure it failed for the same reason we cant do the same with xbox1 games
Post by: NarutoKun on December 01, 2005, 09:30:00 PM
you know the one that has the please play this disc in a xbox 360 console message,
if i could just scan the second layer somehow.. any got any tips?
Post by: lordvader129 on December 02, 2005, 09:17:00 AM
QUOTE(NarutoKun @ Dec 1 2005, 10:01 PM)
i tried last night it only scaned the 0 layer,
you know the one that has the please play this disc in a xbox 360 console message,
if i could just scan the second layer somehow.. any got any tips?
its not a layer issue, its how the data is written, the game data (assuming its like the xbox) is written from the outside in (backwards) the "put in your console" video is from the inside out (like a normal disc)
also assuming similarities to xbox discs, the data is encrypted, so even if you could get a computer to read from the outside in you still wouldnt be able to read the data off it
folks have been trying for 4 years to get xbox games to read in PC with no luck whatsoever, dont expect anythign different from 360 discs
Post by: NarutoKun on December 02, 2005, 07:35:00 PM
QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Dec 2 2005, 05:24 PM)
its not a layer issue, its how the data is written, the game data (assuming its like the xbox) is written from the outside in (backwards) the "put in your console" video is from the inside out (like a normal disc)
also assuming similarities to xbox discs, the data is encrypted, so even if you could get a computer to read from the outside in you still wouldnt be able to read the data off it
folks have been trying for 4 years to get xbox games to read in PC with no luck whatsoever, dont expect anythign different from 360 discs
i understand now,
so its like the Gamecube.. why didn't Sony do this?
Post by: TheSpecialist on December 03, 2005, 08:31:00 AM
QUOTE(NarutoKun @ Dec 1 2005, 09:05 AM)
i was thinking about dumping the firmware from the x360 dvd drive and flashing it to a normal pc LG/Hitachi drive with some trial and error we might have some success..
There might be some checks in the bios, to see if it's connected to a XBOX. So you'd might have to patch the bios. If you succeed in that (or if it is not necessary at all), then you'd still have to write a device driver for it. And if you succeed in that, YES, then you could read the DVD's in your PC (if the hardware in the drive is the same as the hardware in the XBOX 360 drive)
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Post by: modthebox.tk on December 07, 2005, 07:19:00 PM
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Post by: warezbabe on December 09, 2005, 01:25:00 AM
QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Dec 2 2005, 05:24 PM)
also assuming similarities to xbox discs, the data is encrypted, so even if you could get a computer to read from the outside in you still wouldnt be able to read the data off it
folks have been trying for 4 years to get xbox games to read in PC with no luck whatsoever, dont expect anythign different from 360 discs
You are wrong! The data is encrypted but not invisible... you can read encrypted data and burn it again on a new support, even by PC (when someone will implement a correct program/driver). But to play it we need a modded xbox 360.
About old xbox, PC games ripping were possible using special tools you can find into xbins (still dont remember the name but i used it before many times).
So... i expect early to find a XBOX360 ripping tool for PC.
Post by: crosseye on December 14, 2005, 03:43:00 PM