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Title: A Theory/idea
Post by: xiii_aolb on September 01, 2007, 12:42:00 AM

Do you guys/gals think that it would be possible to load some kind of PBL like the original Xbox. My theory on it would be like an Audio or Picture or Video exploit. Like disguise some kind of exe file as a picture/video/song and go to your media tab on your 360 (Assuming you ran the Windows PC Sharing SETUP www.xbox.com/pcsetup) and try to view that disguised file? Just a theory

Title: A Theory/idea
Post by: xiii_aolb on September 01, 2007, 01:19:00 AM

There was NO edit button so I was forced to reply, I realize that if its not "coded" it won't work and I've seen other posts about this type of deal and SORRY. BUT This thread is for speculation and crap. So more in depth to my idea maybe theres away to use some kind of game exploit like 007 game save exploit on the orginial xbox. Maybe the King Kong exploit/shader stuff could open up some kind of possiblity. I believe that M$ is trying fool us into thinking they're 5 steps ahead but the answer could lie right under our noses. I will research more and more and if anyone is interested PM me and we could work together.
Cheers
David

Title: A Theory/idea
Post by: Malumvolo on September 03, 2007, 02:59:00 PM

I asked this question a while a go and I got the answer no and then was flamed.

Title: A Theory/idea
Post by: Reaper527 on September 04, 2007, 02:57:00 PM

unfortunately i'm pretty sure the hypervisor checksums the kernel and won't allow this. who knows what the future will hold though. due to the hypervisor exploit that is out, and all the progress that has been made, it has become possible to decrypt the hypervisor and debug it. maybe someone will find a way to make some cool things happen

Title: A Theory/idea
Post by: LIVE Prophet on September 23, 2007, 08:36:00 AM

Man...I miss the old days, the original Xbox was easy!  We had everything in full swing in less than 6 months!

Title: A Theory/idea
Post by: diablomastabarb on October 12, 2007, 01:40:00 PM

Unfortunately within that very 6 month run, all ideas/exploits/progress was monitored and kept in mind for the 360. We dug our own hole on that one.  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Title: A Theory/idea
Post by: BlackWar on October 27, 2007, 08:23:00 PM

that does not mean that it is still impossable. What if it was possable to have some movie clip set so that after about 30 secs of playing some clip, a payload was released? The only thing that I can think of is that at first it appears as a movie file, but then, somehow causes a buffer overlow (much like the origional xbox exploits) and then allows for running unsigned code?

Just a random idea......

Title: A Theory/idea
Post by: No_Name on October 27, 2007, 09:09:00 PM

The problem is not getting onsigned code on to the system, its getting the system to run said code.

Seeing as the memeory is protected even if you overflow it the hypervision will go this is not allowed and stop it.

Your up against a brickwall until you can stop the memory being protected and any known type of exploit is not going to work.

Title: A Theory/idea
Post by: BlackWar on November 04, 2007, 08:02:00 PM

I know that this is all speculation and such, and I am not to familiar with the inner workings of the 360, but throwing crap into the wind, how about this..... So far, as far as we know, everything on the 360 is ran from either straight from chip or memory, including hypervision (which is why we can run the 360 without the HD, all the HD is used for is gamesaves, and if space allows it, swap file usage to reduce game loading times).

Knowing this, would it not be possible to directly attack the memory location where hypervision is at, disabling hypervision, in a manner, then running a buffer overflow to allow unsigned code?

If this is not how hypervision works, then sorry for the pointless rambles.

EDIT: I just noticed a flaw in my idea, the only way that this would work is if something could be launched before hypervision, anything afterwards would be pointless......just an idea I had...

This post has been edited by BlackWar: Nov 5 2007, 04:10 AM

Title: A Theory/idea
Post by: mod22222 on November 05, 2007, 09:00:00 AM

Ok knowing Microsoft they spent 6 months making the xbox 360 a grate gaming machine and 1yr making sure there was no way to mod or hack it they over looked the firmware hack possibility's and that is why we have that. The xbox was there 1st gaming consel ever of course it was easy they were less worried with security they thought that a simple lock on the hdd would prevent it from ever being swaped.

The bottom line is that some day we will have a hack for it like a softmod but we need to first get around security
and that is the hard part
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QUOTE(diablomastabarb @ Oct 12 2007, 12:40 PM)

Unfortunately within that very 6 month run, all ideas/exploits/progress was monitored and kept in mind for the 360. We dug our own hole on that one.  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Yep True

This post has been edited by mod22222: Nov 5 2007, 05:09 PM