Post by: mkjones on December 08, 2005, 05:37:00 AM
QUOTE(Darren101 @ Dec 8 2005, 11:41 AM) 
Hi!
I have a (probably stupid) idea for hacking the 360.
Would it be possible to hack the memory unit, and make a savegame hack, to ftp into the 360?
The only problem that I can see, is that there are no homebrew dev kits about yet, so actually coding a program that allows you to ftp into the 360 could be hard.
But, I suppose they've probably signed the saves or something, so another idea would be a buffer overflow.
Anyways, there's always gonna be some kind of security hole.
Idea is sound but it looks like xbox1 gamesaves will not be compatible with the xbox 360. Not becuase they cant but because of security issues.
Majornelsons blog informed me of this a while ago and I doubt this policy will be changed.
Weather or not its a simple hardware issue and we can somehow get the gamesave onto the 360 from an old memory card and it will simply "work" remains to be seen. But I assume even then the gamesave will not be compatible.
Post by: lordvader129 on December 08, 2005, 12:40:00 PM
QUOTE(Darren101 @ Dec 8 2005, 01:05 PM)
Well, when I get my xbox360, I'll try a buffer overflow with a jpg.
From what I hear, it can read images from a USB flash drive.
it also has an assload of protection against buffer overflows, its been tried
Post by: lordvader129 on December 08, 2005, 02:13:00 PM
QUOTE(RocketMBA @ Dec 8 2005, 02:28 PM)
The fact that MS decided to get rid of old game saves altogether makes me think that the "emulator" would is close to the guts of the Xbox 360 (duh, I guess) - and therefore a good place to get in. I like the "better safe than sorry" approach.
i dont think its so much that it allows alot of access to the processor and other sysetm functions, i think its just that they didnt even want to give us the chance of finding a way through, plus there could be been other reasons not even related to gamesave exploits, maybe they couldnt get the games to read the old saves properly from the new HD
besides, none of the exploitable games are even on the compatibility list (this probably is for security reasons) so even if you did manage to make a 360-compatible exploited save you have no game to load it with
Post by: lordvader129 on December 08, 2005, 03:08:00 PM
QUOTE(RocketMBA @ Dec 8 2005, 03:47 PM)
I read on Xbox.com that they want to support all Xbox games eventually - so I guess that Splinter Cell, Mechassault and the Bond one will be last.
perhaps, perhaps not, they might still leave them off just because they can
even if they do we still dont have access to the exploited saves on 360
even if they do allow saves they will certainly patch the xbes on the fly to the new versions of the game that didnt load the exploited saves
even if we can get the exploited saves loaded on 360, the system has alot of buffer overflow protection, its likely the save will simply crash the system
even if we can successfully initiate an overflow, everything at the hardware level is different, its doubtful the overflow would even alter the public signing key properly to allow homebrew xbes to be signed
even if we get all that, we are still simply running an emulated exploited xbox, i doubt we can go from an emulated system to the actual system and still maintain any amount hackedness (yeah, i know thats not a word)
by the time we break through all those barriers we will probably be trying to hack xbox720 and ps4
Post by: jwin767 on December 08, 2005, 06:08:00 PM
QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Dec 9 2005, 12:15 AM)
even if we get all that, we are still simply running an emulated exploited xbox, i doubt we can go from an emulated system to the actual system and still maintain any amount hackedness (yeah, i know thats not a word)
Just to Translate this paragraph, think PSP version 2.0 hack Homebrew is running only in USER memory (not KERNAL where the good stuff is AKA UMD emulation etc etc) we need to hit the core not a piece around the outside.
Post by: wmadoss on December 09, 2005, 04:43:00 AM
QUOTE(RocketMBA @ Dec 8 2005, 10:47 PM)
I read on Xbox.com that they want to support all Xbox games eventually - so I guess that Splinter Cell, Mechassault and the Bond one will be last.
SplinterCell are already on the list
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell®
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell® Chaos Theory
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell® Pandora Tomorrow
From today I think...
Post by: StepsAscend on December 09, 2005, 09:25:00 AM
Post by: Staticvoid on December 10, 2005, 12:26:00 AM
does the xbox 360 suport system link games for xbox1? if so then if we could exploit the emulator then we should atleast be able to use ftp. not likely to help us much but who knows.
Post by: Darren101 on December 10, 2005, 05:46:00 AM
What about using a usb flash drive to hold x360 saves, then modify them to cause a buffer overflow, to execute some kind of exploit.
We might not have much chance with an overflow in the Dashboard, but there will eventually be a game thats vulnerable to it.
It's just a matter of time.
Post by: Mad_Gouki on December 10, 2005, 09:49:00 AM
in any case, the emulator does sound like a good place to try to get in.
somebody posted that the xbox360 has ftp access but you need a username and password... does anyone by chance know anyone with a dev kit? that might know what that password is?
Post by: DaBiscuit on December 11, 2005, 06:07:00 PM
Post by: elephantaman37 on December 11, 2005, 07:42:00 PM
We do know that theyre already being very ambitious with it and its flattering in a way. [ ] There will be the hobbyists that want to rip it apart. Therell still be the pirates that want to rip it off. We cant avoid that. The philosophy that we applied on 360 is, Its going to happen."
they know it; we know it as well, simply keep your ear to the ground.
Some hard research might reveal more reverse eng. meth's for
360 than one might think ;')
Post by: lordvader129 on December 11, 2005, 07:49:00 PM
QUOTE(jonny_eh @ Dec 11 2005, 07:54 PM)
I disagree, I think a savegame exploit could allow the use of the 360, in a limited way (which is better than none). It could allow us to run XBMC, in the emulator. It wouldn't be able to access the 360 hardrive nor hardware directly.
The fact that each xbox1 Live game needs to download the same update convinces me that each game has its' own virtual xbox1 disc image.
as you say, each game would have its own specific emualtor settings and drive images, meaning any xbe other than that game (xbmc) would probably crash the emluator
the 360 has massive protection against buffer overflow attacks (savegame exploits)
the saves cannot be tranferred from xbox1, meaning if we are even to consider this we need to dump the 360 version of the xbox save and try to hack that
this is also hoping the exloitable games are patched on the fly to non-exploitable versions (IE, platinum hits)
it also assumes the memory bytes patched by the buffer overflow are in the same offset in memory
no, i think savegame exploits are pretty much a dry hole on the 360
Post by: Darren101 on December 12, 2005, 03:55:00 AM
Anyways, the x360 will probably be hacked in a few months time, just like the DS was, after it was thought to have no security loopholes
. Even the encryption in the ds cart was hacked 
.