Post by: yllekb on February 28, 2007, 08:49:00 PM
Post by: fl0yd on February 28, 2007, 08:54:00 PM
QUOTE(yllekb @ Mar 1 2007, 03:56 AM) 
I see another user is having similiar problems. I will attempt to recopy and see if that is the issue. Would it be possible to 'borrow' a known working backup to see if my chip works?
I am having a problem with a recent batch of chips as well. I can play backups, but originals tell me to insert an xbox 360 disc.
I desoldered my working chip and soldered one of the new chips in its place and my box which worked with both backups and originals now will only play backups. I then resoldered in my old chip and verified that it played both originals and backups.
Post by: mikehenya on March 01, 2007, 06:27:00 AM
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=588497
THANKS!
OH, forgot to mention, with the current set up, backups go to the white "into a 360" screen, but original still load right up. Even after the above screen.
Post by: yllekb on March 01, 2007, 07:20:00 AM
QUOTE(mikehenya @ Mar 1 2007, 08:34 AM)
I am having the exact same problem. Since you checked voltage as well, here is an odd question. Mine showed ground on BOTH sides of the resistor closest to the B point (where they show you to ground to signify a samsung drive) Is yours this way as well? My multimiter will beep when there is continuity, this is the only resitor on the chip that does such, is yours the same way?I am certain all my solder points and copy procedure are good so I ordered a new DL burner. I was using a Sony with a lite-on flash. Once it arrives I will post results. Here is my post, but it seems we are in the same boat!
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=588497
THANKS!
OH, forgot to mention, with the current set up, backups go to the white "into a 360" screen, but original still load right up. Even after the above screen.
Mine would not load any games. How did you get it to load an orginal game even after the "360" screen.
We checked the ground on several points of the board. We checked the continuity from the B post to the GND Post on the chip. I purchased all the equipment specified in the backing up process. I am going to create another backup to test my chip. I am working with the company I purchased my chip from to see if I can exchange the chip.
Another user posted a option of installing a switch as a temp fix. What version of the 360 are you using?
Post by: turbospud on March 01, 2007, 09:17:00 AM
Post by: mikehenya on March 01, 2007, 09:20:00 AM
Post by: daver408 on March 01, 2007, 11:23:00 AM
Post by: getchevyn on March 01, 2007, 01:15:00 PM
Post by: yllekb on March 01, 2007, 01:43:00 PM
QUOTE(getchevyn @ Mar 1 2007, 03:22 PM)
I got my NME 1.2 to work on my Samsung drive but didn't follow underdogs instruction to solder point B onto the capacitor. The point was too small. I solder a small wire to point B. Solder a second wire to GND. Then I join those 2 wires to the wire that was connected to the ground point on the board. Make sure you scrape point I to expose the copper on the board to get a good contact.
Does it matter where you solder the ground? I followed the diagram on the instructions and we have continuity from our connections (Testing in several places). Would moving the ground to another point on the board afect how the chip works? It does not make ane scense, a ground is a ground (Granted higher voltage ground matters, etc...)
The chip seems to work, it boots in backup mode regardless of the disc inserted or boot procedure (boot with cd in, boot with w/o cd in, etc)
Post by: ydgmms on March 01, 2007, 02:04:00 PM
I had a Samsung MS25 with a 1.2 chip that would not boot for the life of me. All points tested working.
I removed the 470 coil, and it started working.
Team-Underdog can never seem to get it 100% right
. Shame they have the best chip.But as long as removing the 470 coil doesn't affect the 360 itself, I have no problems removing it as long as it keeps my customers happy not having to press Eject
edit: forgot to mention I used the original ground point. the drive was closed up (i mount the chips externally) so all i did was just remove the 470 coil and that was that.
Post by: TriangleIL on March 01, 2007, 02:29:00 PM
Thanks!
Post by: turbospud on March 01, 2007, 02:34:00 PM
Post by: TriangleIL on March 01, 2007, 02:53:00 PM
Thanks,
(Just trying to rule things out before going down a lot of random paths)
Post by: turbospud on March 01, 2007, 02:59:00 PM
Post by: ydgmms on March 01, 2007, 11:24:00 PM
QUOTE(mikehenya @ Mar 2 2007, 01:17 AM)
Turbospud, or anyone else with a multimeter Any chance you'd have time to confirm the above for me? The 470 and ground change made no diff for me, and originals will still boot right up.
Thanks
Damn sorry man, i forgot. I already sent that xbox back out. Hopefully soemone else can let you konw.
Post by: daver408 on March 02, 2007, 03:12:00 AM
Post by: yllekb on March 02, 2007, 04:56:00 AM
QUOTE(daver408 @ Mar 2 2007, 05:19 AM)
turbospud you are the man!!! removed the 470 coil and shorted it and now everything is working like it should . thanks
What is everything working like it should? Does the chip turn off and on regularly? Does it read Orginals? I am starting a small pile of coasters trying to see if my chip even works. I have followed the directions on the Team-underdog (I even purchased the drives they recommend). Any body in Northern Virginia that has a working backup I could use to test my chip?
Post by: appolospb on March 02, 2007, 06:07:00 AM
QUOTE(turbospud @ Mar 1 2007, 04:24 PM)
There is a problem with the latest batch of chips. I run modchipfitters.com and we have been working very closely with team-underdog to cure this problem. At the moment we are soldering to an alternative ground point . This point is on the next metal can capacitor to the outside corner of the board i.e. with sst reading the right way up on the board the one up and right from the usual one. Also you need to remove the coil marked 470 from the chip and bridge with wire or solder. We have now succesfully modded 3 samsung drives with this batch of chips with this method. Hope this helps.
We have just applied the mod that "turbospud" suggested. It appears that the fault does lie with the coil. However once the coil mod is done "Orginal" games dont work. If you remove the power to the modchip "Orginals" begin to play again. We are either gonna fit a switch to the NME 1.2 to make it turn of the chip manually (Annoying) or replace the coil with another one that works and see if that fixes the issue. I
Post by: fl0yd on March 02, 2007, 06:55:00 AM
QUOTE(appolospb @ Mar 2 2007, 01:14 PM)
We have just applied the mod that "turbospud" suggested. It appears that the fault does lie with the coil. However once the coil mod is done "Orginal" games dont work. If you remove the power to the modchip "Orginals" begin to play again. We are either gonna fit a switch to the NME 1.2 to make it turn of the chip manually (Annoying) or replace the coil with another one that works and see if that fixes the issue. I
What was the intended purpose of the coil? Despite the fact that bypassing the coil seems to make the chip work, doesn't removing a component seem like a bad idea?
Post by: appolospb on March 02, 2007, 07:41:00 AM
Post by: Ph34R on March 02, 2007, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: R155 on March 02, 2007, 04:22:00 PM
the information from team undergog on there site is poor, installation guide is poor
ive been on various sites for proper install guide's and mode area is the only one that shows proper layouts
how can you sell a chip with so little information on how to install it ???
ive spent £81 odd pounds and im not installing my chips till this is sorted
get your ac together underdog and put some proper install guides up
im not spamming insults im a proper installer like everyone else
well not yet there still in the packet
numpties guide to installing a chip in the samsung toshiba drive
http://xbox155.wordpress.com/about/
Post by: mikehenya on March 02, 2007, 07:40:00 PM
QUOTE(mikehenya @ Mar 2 2007, 01:17 AM)
Turbospud, or anyone else with a multimeter Any chance you'd have time to confirm this for me? The 470 and ground change made no diff for me, and originals will still boot right up.
Can you us the continuity checker on your multimeter with your chip and see if it beeps when you touch both sides of the cap (small light brown thing where the picture on the nme site shows you to set the NME-360 v1.2 to Samsung mode by shortening point B to GND. Your response makes me wonder which one of our chips are bad.
Thanks
Anyone....?? Please...
Post by: yllekb on March 03, 2007, 07:40:00 AM
QUOTE(mikehenya @ Mar 2 2007, 09:47 PM)
Anyone....?? Please...
I removed the 470 chip and my chip will turn off and on depending on the game inserted. It still does not read orginal games. The orginal game will begin to load but not do anything. I still need to turn the chip off with the switch.
I am still having trouble reading back ups. My coasters are starting to mulitple. I have tried 2 different Games backing up 2 different ways. Still no Luck.
I am using the setup on the teamunderdog site (media, drives, software - all are as they recomend.
The continuity will remains the same regardless of the chip installed....
Post by: appolospb on March 03, 2007, 07:43:00 AM
I have been testing the NME 1.2 this weekend and it seems to have problems switching between "Backup" and "Orginals" mode. My modchip has had the mod done mentioned by "Turbospud". Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt its a bit unreliable. The only way to get it to go through its modes is to use the controller to shutdown the console and turn it back on again (Even this method doesnt always work).
Overall im not very impressed with the modchip.
Post by: R155 on March 03, 2007, 01:03:00 PM
QUOTE(ydgmms @ Mar 3 2007, 02:33 AM)
I have to slightly disagree. I had no trouble installing my first Hitachi chip. I could easily find all the points I needed. When it came time for my first Samsung. I did attempt to remove glue, but quickly decided to do an alternate install.
In other words, I had no trouble deciphering the images. I do agree that there needs to be BETTER ones. Which is why I decided to make a better walkthrough guide. IF I can remember, the next time I do an install I'll do a pictorial walkthrough
Think thats a great idea, just dont understand why they dont themselfs do a pic run through
example take point 1 and run to point A pic here with large pic and arrow
one question why is there a 470 tab and a 220 tab in the packed which is required for pal model samsung ??
or is the 220 going somewhere ive missed whilst reading it ??
Post by: turbospud on March 03, 2007, 07:58:00 PM
Post by: payam on March 06, 2007, 08:24:00 AM
Remove the "470" coil, and replace it with the "220" coil as shown on the picture below.
Both Originals and the backup works. But you have to turn the machine of and on if swithcing from a backup to an original.
Happy moddning.
Post by: payam on March 07, 2007, 03:10:00 AM
With the other solution with shortcircuting the 470 coil, you force the chip to always be on and therefore booting backups only works and not originials.. so you have a handicapped xbox 360.
The "220" coil you see on the picture i posted, should have been bundled with the chip you purchaced and is originaly used for hitachi 46>59 but as i have shown you, you can remove the "470" and replace it with "220" so that you get all the functions back on the Samsung drive.
The reason why this has happent, maybe because the latest batch there where faulty "470" coils i dunno but the chip works like a charm otherwise, so there is nothing wrong with the chip in it self.
This problem is only for Samsung drives and not hitachi.
Post by: payam on March 07, 2007, 03:56:00 AM
replace the 470 coil with the 220 like the picture above if your samsung is: ms28 (Boots both backups and originals)
Remove the 470 coil and solder the points togheter if your samsung is: ms25 (Boots both backups and originals)
Replacing the 470 with 220 on a ms25 didnt made any diffrence on the samsung ms25 i did.
Post by: R155 on March 07, 2007, 11:57:00 PM
QUOTE(turbospud @ Mar 4 2007, 03:05 AM)
220 induction coil is only used on earlier hitachi drives check the install pics on team-underdog for this info .
cheers for clearing that up Turbospud, like to say super fast delivery on the chips i ordered mucho thanks
installing friday so touch wood all will be good
Dont suppose you took/posted any installation pics when installing ??
QUOTE(payam @ Mar 6 2007, 03:31 PM)
Solution.
Remove the "470" coil, and replace it with the "220" coil as shown on the picture below.
Both Originals and the backup works. But you have to turn the machine of and on if swithcing from a backup to an original.
Happy moddning.
nice pic Payam - please post anymore you have, lets get a proper installation guide up and running save all the questions, after all everyone needs a little help when starting out modding
cheersy
Post by: uncl3t0m on March 11, 2007, 08:26:00 AM
Should we test the combination?
I Think they ment to bridge the 470 and solder it in line to the 5 Volt like the 220 on an Hitachi...
Can somebody test this?
I would but i'd opened my xbox so many times i don't have the mood to do it once more without the confirmation from some source which states that it would work.
I also have to say that the Support from Team Underdog is like their chip, it works on some ways but its not perfect. I think if they know the problem and know what to do they should make a tutorial for those which have problems with their chip. This tiny little sentence which i postet on top is a bit "husch-husch" like we say in Germany.
They postet to bring detailed Infos later that day, it was the 6th and today we have the 11th of this Month and they did....
Nothing.
I have to say i am a big fan of the nme360 Chip because IF it works the functions are great. (network cutting, and status LED)
But if this chip isn't working in my box like it schould (stays ON and i have to Reboot the box to change the Status) i would had done a Firmware-Flash because this works.
Im very disappointed but i want to figure out some way the chip works perfect. As i said without infos from the developer i can't.
And what ist this with the Network Funktion? I Modded a Hitachi Drive of a Friend before i tried my own Samsung. And my friend has got the SMD Capacitor on the Network Point like shown on the Pics. I've got an empty place in my box. There is no capacitor or something else. Whats this? Nobody knows i think. It took me 3 Hours of searching google to find some bare Infos about the chip and its problems. As a consequence i stopped searching here because here are some more People with this Problem. But the fix is not "out" allready did i get this?
So what should we (the owners of such a Samsung-Problem-Drive) do?
Live with that rebooting issue?
Just wait until Team Underdog bring some infos?
Contact Team Underdog?
You know what i mean, i only want some clean 1-2-3 Step tut from somewhere to fix this. it is very annoing to screen the whole xbox-underground to get some barely infos which in most cases point in other directions.
Some say this, other say that an Team Underdog say a whole other thing which is only a little bit more than nothing.
O.K. thats it for now, i only wanted to tell somebody about my anger. So please excuse my bad English including my grammar mistakes and so on (i'm feeling like Team Underdog
). But there is no other Board in which i could write it down with the Hope of get help.Thanks for listening!
P.S.: Now i getting myself a big amount of
and watch this discussion, hoping that there will be a solution soon....
Post by: goofy173 on March 11, 2007, 01:32:00 PM
From looking at their website, I think their response was cut off.
"Remove and move the 47 coil to the 5 volt"
To the 5 volt what? I don't care what language they speak. There's no 47 coil. This is a 470 µH inductor (coil). 470 is 470 in any language.
Until they post more, don't connect anything to the +5 v connection other than the 5 volt wire. Connecting the 470 coil to the +5 volt and to another connection could damage the NME chip or even worse, something on the Samsung drive.
I certainly believe that something can be done as it worked for me 1 time. But when it booted the backup, I started playing the game and then shut down and did it again. This time, and ever since then, it doesn't boot that backup or any other.
Post by: ydgmms on March 11, 2007, 06:08:00 PM
QUOTE
You know what i mean, i only want some clean 1-2-3 Step tut from somewhere to fix this. it is very annoing to screen the whole xbox-underground to get some barely infos which in most cases point in other directions.
Some say this, other say that an Team Underdog say a whole other thing which is only a little bit more than nothing.
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=589582
1) Install chip with whatever Optional points you want.
2) Test chip
3) If it doesn't work, test all connections
4) Make sure backup is made properly
5) If 3 and 4 are good, then remove 470 coil and short the points
6) Test chip.
7) If chip works, clean it up and close the xbox
8) If chip doesn't work, replace shorted 470 coil points with 220 coil
9) Test chip
10) If chip works, clean it up and close the xbox
11)
Post by: goofy173 on March 11, 2007, 06:14:00 PM
QUOTE(ydgmms @ Mar 11 2007, 07:15 PM)
10) If chip works, clean it up and close the xbox
11)
You left off the 11 description:
11. Curse at team-underdog for not letting us know the status.
Post by: ydgmms on March 11, 2007, 06:18:00 PM
Its just frustrating ... there IS an easy 1-2-3 guide, and there is an easy 1-2-3 fix... but noone seems to SEE them and just flood the board with the same question...
Post by: goofy173 on March 11, 2007, 06:27:00 PM
Post by: uncl3t0m on March 12, 2007, 03:18:00 AM
QUOTE(goofy173 @ Mar 12 2007, 01:34 AM)
Well it's because there's still a problem. The jumper makes it work, but not as advertised, or at least not with ever type of drive. If it did, mine would work. But it will not boot an original with the jumper in.
Thats the Point! The chip works flawlessly, but not as advertised!
I have to reboot to change chip status!
I can't use the Network off function!
The LED says nothing about the chip!
If i boot with an original and switch to an backup on a running system the LED turns OFF but the game won't boot already. This means the chip is allready OFF but the LED says its on. So what?
I'm not tryin to spam out this forum, i only grab every straw which points me to a solution, a 1-2-3 solution wich fixes the whole thing. The tut you pointed me to is a fix which only gets the funktion of booting backups working and not the whole chip within every function as stated by Team Underdog.
So don't talk at cross purposes, i want to get this thing working like advertised and the tut shows how to get one of many functions working.
If i had known this issues i had not even ordered this chip cause i was searching for a perfect solution which the nme360 looked like. But it isn't.
Post by: ydgmms on March 12, 2007, 05:33:00 AM
QUOTE(uncl3t0m @ Mar 12 2007, 10:25 AM)
Thats the Point! The chip works flawlessly, but not as advertised!
I have to reboot to change chip status!
I can't use the Network off function!
The LED says nothing about the chip!
If i boot with an original and switch to an backup on a running system the LED turns OFF but the game won't boot already. This means the chip is allready OFF but the LED says its on. So what?
I'm not tryin to spam out this forum, i only grab every straw which points me to a solution, a 1-2-3 solution wich fixes the whole thing. The tut you pointed me to is a fix which only gets the funktion of booting backups working and not the whole chip within every function as stated by Team Underdog.
So don't talk at cross purposes, i want to get this thing working like advertised and the tut shows how to get one of many functions working.
If i had known this issues i had not even ordered this chip cause i was searching for a perfect solution which the nme360 looked like. But it isn't.
Then return it to the retailer... and purchase a Xeno-360. It will function as advertised - you'll still have to get up and reboot the xbox... but at least you knew that going in.
Post by: suzook on March 12, 2007, 06:30:00 AM
Post by: *Ricey* on March 13, 2007, 10:38:00 AM
QUOTE(ydgmms @ Mar 12 2007, 12:15 AM)
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=589582
1) Install chip with whatever Optional points you want.
2) Test chip
3) If it doesn't work, test all connections
4) Make sure backup is made properly
5) If 3 and 4 are good, then remove 470 coil and short the points
6) Test chip.
7) If chip works, clean it up and close the xbox
8) If chip doesn't work, replace shorted 470 coil points with 220 coil
9) Test chip
10) If chip works, clean it up and close the xbox
11)
Sounds like the simple solution, ive got a backup sorted for 2morro's test of my chip install touch some wood it might even work
question is mine is super fine with originals hasnt been a problem for over a week, borrowed a 48hr card to test online and its sweet
would there be a problem playing originals if the chip was faulty ?? as many have said in the past there could well be ??
1st i'll see if the chip works a NMe intended " message from my chip supplier they are removing the 470 coil but didnt say which option they were using"
thing underdogs backup for selling is absolute pants, im starting to wish id just flashed it and bought the new xecuter 360 blaster
Post by: *Ricey* on March 14, 2007, 06:59:00 AM
QUOTE(yllekb @ Mar 14 2007, 11:30 AM)
As the orginator of this post, I have still be unable to get my chip to work properly. However, after some arguing with the site I bought my Chip, they have sent me a new chip. Maybe I will get lucky this time.
ive followed R155 guide along with YDGMMS instructions also further down the page
worked a treat no problems playing like a new born baby !! 470 needed removing also but instructions are there for that
Post by: buffmod on March 31, 2007, 11:35:00 AM
Post by: Franko73 on April 02, 2007, 01:35:00 AM
I spent a few hours over the weekend verifying everything again and I am considering flashing now, fed up with NME1.2.
Anybody have any last suggestions.
Post by: Franko73 on April 03, 2007, 07:48:00 AM
I just sent mine back and asked for a refund but I have a feeling I will be sent a replacement but if it works I dont mind.
Post by: LIVE Prophet on April 03, 2007, 04:25:00 PM
Post by: *Ricey* on April 05, 2007, 09:56:00 PM
QUOTE(Franko73 @ Mar 30 2007, 12:28 PM)
Got NME1.2 recently, cant get the damn thing to work, plays originals fine, backups display 'insert this ... into 360 console' message.
Tried everything, removed coil and put it to 5v and bridged, removed coil completely... nothing.
Backed up and burned disk exactly as NME website states with 111D and verbatim disks. STUMPED!!!!!
So disappointed after buying 2 dvd drives, 20 disks and the bloody chip, over 100 squid for nothing!
All connections are fine, buzzed them out and checked voltages on chip when connected and all seems hunky dorey, WHY WHY WHY dont you work???? Why sell a product that is obviosuly not tested and working correctly? dont even have the LED and network points connected. B is connected to ground.
Maybe it has something to do with the m28 sammy drive? Mine was made in aug 06. I am sure I am doing the backups correctly, tried with 3 different games and none work. No errors on backing up or burning, used Schtom 3.1, nme_associator and Imgburn (with layer break set correctly).
Some people have suggested that the ground off the cap is not great and to use the ground from the power connector, anybody tried this? Somebody else suggested that maybe the ss is not being extracted correctly, how do you know?
What am I doing wrong?
the best advice if your struggling, find a friend who has it flashed and take your disc to him the nme associator works fine with xtreme but xtreme burns dont work with nme "security sector is wrong reading posts around the board"
if it works then your install is not quiet right !!
where abouts are you in the world ?? sure somebody can help
im using imgburn and a pioneer dvr 112D standard manf firmware from eBaY
Post by: jerrymcguille on April 24, 2007, 01:17:00 PM
hi !!! I have a xbox 360 samsung ms28 with nme 1.1 and not run the backups (i check the all wires and is ok) , remove the coil 470 ?
thanks!!