Post by: timmeah2001 on November 02, 2006, 12:59:00 AM
If you wish to help please take time in reading this
First of all i would like to say that i have read many posts in this forum about the progress everyone has had with the nme-360 chips.
However, even with everyones help i am still struggling to create backups for my 360 games.
The setup i am using right now is:
NME-360 1.1 on a Samsung xbox drive purchased from http://www.kangamail.com/ (they are listed in the team-underdog's official distributors)
DVD drive: Samsung SH-D162C with Kreon 0.81 FW
DVD recorder: Samsung SH-W162C with FW 10
Media i have tried has been DVD+R DL Ritek and Ricoh (cant get my hands on verbatims unless i ebay)
I have installed the modchip and have checked several times if my solder points are good. I used both alternative points as it was easier for me to solder.
The game i tested my back up process was Need For Speed Most Wanted
The backup process i used is straight from the team-underdog website.
1) Flash SAMSUNG SH-D162C hacked Firmware:
- make sure there is no CD/DVD inside of the drive!!!
- start (doubleclick) sfdnwin.exe
- select drive from pulldownmenu: TSSTcorpDVD-ROM SH-D162CTS04
- at the top left click "DOWNLOAD FILE OPEN"
- select file: SH-D162C_TS04_XB360_KREON_V080.bin
- at the top left click "START DOWNLOAD" (button in the middle)
after successfully flashing the drive you will receive the message: "DOWNLOAD OK!! RESTART WINDOWS."
Now reboot your pc. You can now use the drive for making legal Xbox-360 Backups.
2) create iso from an original game:
Start the Xbox Backup Creator
From the driveslist select the SH-D162C drive
In Options you can select the SH-D162C dive under "Drive Specific" for optimal performance
Insert XBox-360 game into the SH-D162C drive
Go back to READ and hit START
Select the destination folder and enter a name for your ISO.
Reading the complete game takes less than 10 minutes.
Backup maker creates your named ISO File and a .dvd file with the same name as your .ISO-File.
3) Extract Security Sector
Still in XBox Backup Maker go to DRIVE TOOLS
Hit SECURITY SECTOR
Enter destination folder and name for Security Sector (preferably same folder where you saved the ISO)
Click SAVE
4) make ISO compatible to the NME-360 chip:
Start the NME aSSociat0r.
Select the ISO File
Select the SS File
Hit "CREATE" button
Your ISO is now being patched. this takes just 2 seconds.
After patching it must be exactly 7.705.657.344 Bytes of size. (in KB it is 7.525.056)
all of the above steps were successful and my final ISO file was exactly 7.705.657.344 Bytes
Now the problem appeared when i tried to burn the ISO using CloneCD
I recieved this message
Image doesn't fit on destination Disc!
Space availalbe: 7222 MBytes (53:42:26 Min:Sec:Fra)
Space required: 4482 MBytes (254:1:29 Min:Sec:Fra)
Please select how to proceed?
1: Try to overburn.
2: Write until the End of the Media is reached.
i decided not to burn the ISO because it was obvious id make a coaster and face it DVD R DLs arnt cheap. I read the additional information on the Team underdog site and decided to attempt my ISO burn using IMGBurn. Its quite a nifty program, and i followed the instructions on the website to change my book type. However i could not change the book type of DVD+R DL on my samsung drive from DVD-ROM to DVD+R DL. the option wasnt there.
(IMG:http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6827/imgburnmc0.jpg)
anyways i burned the image and as i thought, it didnt work. When inserted in the xbox360 i recieved the "please insert into an xbox360 console" i entered the DVD into a DVD player and saw the same message. My home theater dvd player is quite old so it shouldnt be able to read DVD+R DL book types, which means the game backup was probably burned to a DVD-ROM booktype.
From here on i read forums and what not for several hours trying to see what i can find out. Apparently my DVD burner has a feature that automatically forces DVD-ROM book types to all the media it burns simply so that old home theater dvd players can read the media. I found a website that explained this and said that this was only included into the latest firmware - FW10.
So, today i rolled back my DVD writer firmware to FW00. Restarted the pc and everything... Tried the IMGBurn program again, and still same thing, i cant force it to burn the DVD+R DL book type.
However i used Nero 7 and managed to change the book type setting of my DVD recorder from "DVD-ROM" to "Physical disc type"
(IMG:http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4196/nerobooktypezn7.jpg)
I burned the ISO but no luck again.. another failed backup.
Last thing i tried was another CloneCD image burn. This time with the old firmware which apparently doesnt force DVD-ROM book types. This time i did not recieve a message which "image doesnt fit etc." and the disc started burning. But no luck again.
All 3 packups gave me the same message when put into the xbox360 "please insert disc in an xbox360 console" and the same when put into a home theater dvd player.
Last thing which i wanted to check, was whether nero 7 "CD DVD Speed" utility recognised the discs book type. And to my surprise all of em showed as DVD+R DL booktype which in theory should not even play on a old home theater dvd player.
(IMG:http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7623/nerodvdspeedns8.jpg)
Thanks in advance for your help. I know i may have given too much information, but i didnt want to miss any step or process i have used in attempts to back up my xb360 games.
Post by: ydgmms on November 02, 2006, 08:10:00 AM
QUOTE(timmeah2001 @ Nov 2 2006, 10:14 AM) 
:snip:
You WANT the DVD+R DL to be set to booktype of DVD-ROM. So don't try to change that.
From *my* understanding (and I have yet to flash/mod my drives), you seem to be doing everything right. It might just be your media.
Post by: AlphaTrion on November 02, 2006, 10:03:00 AM
I use a lite-on burner i bought from http://www.foundmy.c...products_id=188. from your pic.. i set it to NORMAL. I used both IMGBURN and CLONECD with no problems. I strictly use Verbatims burned at 2.4x.
my setup:
samsung drive SH-D162C with Kreon V81 firmware.
XBOX BACKUP CREATOR 2.3
ss merger v1.7b.
it could be your burner or media.
Post by: timmeah2001 on November 03, 2006, 04:21:00 AM
QUOTE(ydgmms @ Nov 2 2006, 04:17 PM)
You WANT the DVD+R DL to be set to booktype of DVD-ROM. So don't try to change that.
From *my* understanding (and I have yet to flash/mod my drives), you seem to be doing everything right. It might just be your media.
Im confused... i got a samsung chip... and as it says on the team-underdog site:
The Samsung chip only works with discs burned as DVD+R DL.
The Hitachi chip works with booktypes DVD-ROM and DVD+R DL.
so am i meant to force DVD+R DL booktype?
Post by: crimminal on November 03, 2006, 07:06:00 AM
QUOTE(ydgmms @ Nov 2 2006, 04:17 PM)
You WANT the DVD+R DL to be set to booktype of DVD-ROM. So don't try to change that.
From *my* understanding (and I have yet to flash/mod my drives), you seem to be doing everything right. It might just be your media.
Don't listen to this guy... you WANT your burns to be booktype DVD +R DL - that is the ONLY booktype that will work with your Samsung drive.
I hate to say it but I think you are looking in the wrong place. More than likely the mod chip isn't installed correctly. I know you don't want to hear this, but the default behavior of these discs is to play a DVD Video and play exactly what you are describing. If the modchip isn't activating, then that would also explain this problem. I had some issues soldering on a Samsung and it took me awhile to figure it out as well. If I remember correctly, it was solder point #1. I ended up scrapping the PCB to get to the trace (just like you have to do for point #2) and that worked.
That burner also looks to be giving you some bad info regarding whether it can or can not switch booktypes. I use ONLY Verbatim media and use a Sony DRU-810A burner (which is actually a BenQ drive) and, with the booktype set to DVD +R DL, the backups work in both Samsung and Hitachi equipped 360s.
Good luck!
Post by: IMI_II_IK_IE on November 03, 2006, 12:37:00 PM
QUOTE(crimminal @ Nov 3 2006, 09:13 AM)
Don't listen to this guy... you WANT your burns to be booktype DVD +R DL - that is the ONLY booktype that will work with your Samsung drive.
I hate to say it but I think you are looking in the wrong place. More than likely the mod chip isn't installed correctly. I know you don't want to hear this, but the default behavior of these discs is to play a DVD Video and play exactly what you are describing. If the modchip isn't activating, then that would also explain this problem. I had some issues soldering on a Samsung and it took me awhile to figure it out as well. If I remember correctly, it was solder point #1. I ended up scrapping the PCB to get to the trace (just like you have to do for point #2) and that worked.
That burner also looks to be giving you some bad info regarding whether it can or can not switch booktypes. I use ONLY Verbatim media and use a Sony DRU-810A burner (which is actually a BenQ drive) and, with the booktype set to DVD +R DL, the backups work in both Samsung and Hitachi equipped 360s.
Good luck!
NOT TRUE!
With the v1.1 chip, you do not need to change the booktype. That is why the 1.1 chip is compatible with drives that cannot have their booktypes changed (110D, and my drive, K-16). I never changed booktype and it works perfectly.
FROM NME SITE:
If you have NME-360 v1.1 with any drive in Xbox-360 or
NME-360 v1.0 with Hitachi Drive in Xbox-360:
Open CloneCD
Select "Write Image to CD/DVD"
Select your game.dvd file created by Xbox Backup Maker in Step 2)
insert DVD+RDL Media
Hit Continue to burn the game
No Need to change booktype!
Post by: crimminal on November 03, 2006, 12:17:00 PM
Post by: timmeah2001 on November 03, 2006, 04:14:00 PM
and if im recieving the XBOX360 message "please insert into an XBOX360 console" its most likely my mod chip isnt activating?
alright ill check my modchip solder points again... and report back.
Post by: timmeah2001 on November 03, 2006, 06:41:00 PM
i got no idea what to do now... is there anyone who can confirm/deny Samsung SH-W162 as a burner which can make 360 backups?
Post by: IMI_II_IK_IE on November 03, 2006, 10:37:00 PM
QUOTE(timmeah2001 @ Nov 3 2006, 08:48 PM)
I checked the solder points on the mod chip... they are all fine 100% sure about it... I scrached the protective paint further down the PCB on the same circuit and checked if currect can pass from the mod chip to the solder points with a multimeter and all of the points were fine.
i got no idea what to do now... is there anyone who can confirm/deny Samsung SH-W162 as a burner which can make 360 backups?Can't do that, but in theory it should work. I would try using a friend's burner if possible and different media. If after that it still does not work, you are left with one option: your chip is defective.
Did you ground yourself while installing/checking the chip? You could have fried it yourself, or maybe just a DOA.
Post by: AlphaTrion on November 04, 2006, 02:32:00 PM
QUOTE(timmeah2001 @ Nov 3 2006, 09:48 PM)
I checked the solder points on the mod chip... they are all fine 100% sure about it... I scrached the protective paint further down the PCB on the same circuit and checked if currect can pass from the mod chip to the solder points with a multimeter and all of the points were fine.
i got no idea what to do now... is there anyone who can confirm/deny Samsung SH-W162 as a burner which can make 360 backups?sorry. i suggest try a different burner and media(VERBATIMS DVD+R DL).
if you ever come across one.
NEC3540 with cloneCD works for 360 backups.
Post by: lazzieboi on November 12, 2006, 01:30:00 AM
have u solve ur problem yet?.. becos i have da same problem as urs b4 with the xbox360 msg pop up saying i need to put this disc to a xbox360 to play or whatever.... but i got it working by trying several times.and i am using a samsung dvd writer too and my xbox360 are samsung and using NME360 v1.0 chip.
anyway i have read ur problem and the way u rip ur game to iso and convert them for support NME360 chip is exactly the same way as i did.. so i am sure u are on the right track.
now for the burning process..i use IMGburn. Oh and i use suck media too.. i think da same one as u using.
ok open up IMGburn.. go to Tools->setting, on the write tab on the top section. look at the right top u see option and layer break(for DL media) thing. select users specified and insert the number 1913760 on da box.
make sure u insert the right number only 1913760 works. then cllick ok. only have to do this one time since imgburn will save ur setting
now go to booktype which u were confuse b4. hit da book thing .. select samsung which is ur brand dvd writer. go to "change for" select drive(for DVD+R DL media) then "new setting" select normal (NOT DVD-ROM) then click change. (if cant change with error msg pop up try put a blank DVD+R DL media on the drive and try again it should work)
remember even after u successful changed the booktype. the "current setting" in the middle it still say DVD-ROM.. don't worry it i have da same things too and it works, now press ok and try to burn ur ISO that has converted which support the NME360 chip to a dvd+r DL media.. it should works.. (after i success with this method i go back and try select the DVD-ROM for the "new setting" on the booktype step and burn it .. it end up waste one of my exp dvd+r DL media ;( )
hope this can help u..
This post has been edited by lazzieboi: Nov 12 2006, 09:37 AM
Post by: juice555 on November 14, 2006, 11:35:00 AM
I have tried the instructions from the NME web site as in the first posting above to no avail.
I am confused where the instructions say use DVD+R book type for the v1.0 samsung. Do they mean DVD+R DL? I have no option on my LiteOn 160P6S burner to bitset for a DVD+R - only DVD-R, or DVD+R DL.
Has ANYONE got games working for the v1.0 NME samsung chip? anyone??????
Post by: toddgei on November 14, 2006, 12:38:00 PM
1. Try IMGburn because it sounds to me like some of the progs you are using may not support d/l burning. Hence why they will only burn up to 4 gig. Sometimes too that older versions of nero and stuff dont fully support the burner which could be why it wont burn dual layer. I have no idea about clone dvd for burning, but I use imgburn and have had no issues at all being able to burn.
2. Update to kreon v81. The Kreon v80 firmware has an issue with the security sector extraction, so make sure that you update to that otherwise your backups wont work unless you use your 360 drive to extract the security sector.
Hopefully that will provide you with some help if you are still having trouble.
Post by: skeedatl on December 30, 2006, 06:47:00 AM
In my case I see this on occasion with my verbatim 2.4X burns (doesn't matter what burner I use) but while they'll give that message in my NME box I can take that same disc and it'll run fine in my other firmware flashed (no chip) box showing the burn is good, just no NME located SS dispite doing the conversion.
For me the problem is I have no way ('cause I don't know how) of verifying whether or not the conversion of images went correctly until I burn them (30-40min) and toss them in (at $2 a disc).
To check your chip install and burning setup, you can try an "NME ready" image. This reduces the number of variables that could be causing your problem. They're easy to find and are often PAL but in the case of titles like Far Cry will work fine on an NTSC box. If an NME ready image doesn't work, it may be your burner and/or media combo but I would still guess it's not your chip install.
As a side note, my Benq and Plextor drives and 1.1 NME work great but 'recommended' for firmware flash mods Pioneer didn't for whatever reason and some others are seeing the same issues with the Pioneer and NME.
HW
360 Samsung NME 1.1 Verbatim DL Samsung SH-D162C DVD ROM KREON V0.81 Pioneer DVR-111D (doesn't work for me with the 1.1) Benq DW-1620 (Works fine) Plextor 716AL (Works fine)
This post has been edited by skeedatl: Dec 30 2006, 02:54 PM
Post by: mrcool370 on January 18, 2007, 01:13:00 AM
I have the same burner as the thread starter, timmeah ie Samsung SH-W162C. Whilst one other person here has said to use a different burner (AlphaTrion) another has made a backup with a samsung burner, and by changing the booktype setting to NORMAL in IMGburn. So I decided to try this method out, but receive the following message once I click on the burn button:
DeviceIOcontrol (FSCTL_LOCK_VOLUME) Failed!
Device: [3:0:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-W162C TS11 (D:) (ATA)
Unable to lock volume for exclusive access
Reason: access is denied
Does anyone know how to fix this? I continued anyway and this time the 'open tray' error occurred on the dashboard
Timmeah, have you been successful yet with your burner?
If anyone has any suggestions it would be greatly appreciated. I feel like I have tried everything I can (now have 7 coasters), however I dont know anyone else with a different dual-layer burner.
This post has been edited by mrcool370: Jan 18 2007, 09:30 AM
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Post by: mrcool370 on January 19, 2007, 10:20:00 PM
I have been using a samsung burner, but finally gave up and bought the pioneer 111d yesterday.
Have tried two burns; one of GRAW with the 1.23 firmware, and PGR3 with the dangerous_brothers 1.23 firmware. Tried both on IMGburn, and both times, I have received the 'insert into an xbox 360 console' message. All file sizes are correct with correct layerbreak info. Using verbatim discs.
Post by: capt_peo on January 21, 2007, 06:44:00 PM
QUOTE(mrcool370 @ Jan 20 2007, 07:35 AM)
^^
I have been using a samsung burner, but finally gave up and bought the pioneer 111d yesterday.
Have tried two burns; one of GRAW with the 1.23 firmware, and PGR3 with the dangerous_brothers 1.23 firmware. Tried both on IMGburn, and both times, I have received the 'insert into an xbox 360 console' message. All file sizes are correct with correct layerbreak info. Using verbatim discs.
Me too. With NME 1.1.
Post by: jagodzi on January 22, 2007, 09:14:00 AM
I think that Your backup/burning procedure is fine and you should focus on the other problem.
I have situation like You, my Hardware:
- X360 + Samsung drive T28 (bought few weeks ago) + NME chip v 1.1
- DVD Burner NEC 4571A ( the newest firmware 1.02)
- Media DVD+DL Verbatim
- Software: ImgBurn + NME aSSociat0r (NME converter)
Sometimes when i'm trying to run backup game I have the same error screen like you "To Play disc, put it in an Xbox 360 console"
Reason of this is bad detecting by console , backup disc is detecing not as "GAME" disc but as "Play DVD" disc (you can check this if your auto boot setting is off).
Backup disc game is burned correctly but the problem is with the proper switching ON NME chip.
I've found this information on the official NME website:
"04. December 2006
NME-360 v1.2, no competition, clones and kudos
Many of the clones require manual switching for turning on the chip. They claim that this is more
secure but the real reason why they are doing this is because they don't know what we are looking
for inside of the chip and they can only reproduce the NME-360 outputs.
They also claim that their chip is 100% stable with any kind of media without tweaking the laser.
That's pure BS. This is a hardware matter between the laser and the inserted media and can not be
fixed by patching the firmware in a different way whatsoever..."
I'm afraid that me and you have the clone NME chip, the official prize for this chip is ~40 Euro I've bought mine for 100 polish zloty's (about 25 Euro).
I'm still looking 100% working solution but I know that many times my media are working by bellow procedure:
1. I'm turning ON my X360 (network cable is plugged on) and I'm login into xbox live service
2. Then i'm starting playing game from xbox live arcade (free trial), just for few minutes (important)
3.Then I'm backing to Xbox Dashboard (Green big Xbox button and yellow Y button) and I'm able to play games from my backup media disc - all are working for 100%
My NME chip was installed by myself I've spend many hours to find out why backup disc are not working, I've changed soldering points about 5 times (presently I'm using SST chip points), I burned one game (Gears of War PAL) 3 times with 3 other settings but after severeal hours and several posts what I've rode I know that problem is with not-correct Switching ON my NME modchip, maybe you have the same problem?
This post has been edited by jagodzi: Jan 22 2007, 05:20 PM
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