Post by: tk_saturn on January 23, 2011, 08:25:00 PM
QUOTE(Madhatta @ Jan 24 2011, 03:04 AM) 
I am wondering if I may have a loose solder connection somewhere or what.
Normally a bad ground, shitty soldering, poor connections, or the cable's too long.
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I am doing the read with JTAG tool. Would another tool help?
JTAG Tool, doesn't read Nands it uses NandPro to read them. Use NandPro directly, the less you have running while dumping the Nand the better. Otherwise try "NAND Flasher 360 for Windows v1.1.0" which is pretty good, directly flashes the Nand and is written by Trancy who know's his stuff.
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I have two bad blocks reported as well if this makes a difference.
In some cases, but not yours. You would either get a match or you wouldn't.
Post by: Madhatta on January 23, 2011, 09:05:00 PM
QUOTE(tk_saturn @ Jan 24 2011, 04:25 AM)
Normally a bad ground, shitty soldering, poor connections, or the cable's too long.
JTAG Tool, doesn't read Nands it uses NandPro to read them. Use NandPro directly, the less you have running while dumping the Nand the better. Otherwise try "NAND Flasher 360 for Windows v1.1.0" which is pretty good, directly flashes the Nand and is written by Trancy who know's his stuff.
In some cases, but not yours. You would either get a match or you wouldn't.
OK I think I am just going to take the cable off and try to resolder it for the flasher. I did take kind of a risky move and wrote xell and it goes to e79 upon boot up. I was luckily able to write my original dump back to the nand and it boots again.
I used boxxdr's method for the JTAG except I used the DB1F1 point up top. Any idea where I might have gone wrong and what I can start looking at first?
First box was a xenon and it went a lot smoother but just wanted to try the aud_clamp stuff next. Maybe that was the wrong move for me haha.
Post by: tk_saturn on January 23, 2011, 09:54:00 PM
If you only did 16MB dumps, those errors in those dumps could well be beyond the first 80 blocks so you could get a good 2MB dump from them. If you flashed backed a bad 16MB, you may get away with. You may not...
Post by: Madhatta on January 24, 2011, 08:23:00 AM
QUOTE(tk_saturn @ Jan 24 2011, 05:54 AM)
That all depends on where the 'errors' are in your dumps. Normally it's very bad thing to just flash Xellous, however when you flash Xellous you are only flashing 80 blocks which is around 1.3MB out that 16MB (the full 16MB Nand has 1024 blocks). That's why you also do several dumps of the first 2MB area, which you can either flash back that 2MB dump to remove Xellous or use with a 16MB flashdmp created by Xellous to have a full 16MB Nand.
If you only did 16MB dumps, those errors in those dumps could well be beyond the first 80 blocks so you could get a good 2MB dump from them. If you flashed backed a bad 16MB, you may get away with. You may not...
I will have to check again tonight. The reason I flashed it is someone was telling me that as long as the bad blocks were reporting in the same area for two or more dumps (which they do) that it wouldn't matter if compare showed a match or not. He said that there will always be mismatches when there are bad blocks. Also said that the flasher will either work or it won't, no in between. So anyway I flashed Xell and it turns out I had an issue with the JTAG portion. I tried to flash the orig NAND image back and it works again so I guess I got lucky. I guess I need to get out my multimeter and start looking around although I am not sure what values I should be seeing with the transistors and resistors and what not. I don't seem to have any shorts so I guess I will need to check all my solder points. After that is done I guess I will be taking the flasher off and trying it once more.
Block 100 and 12A are the ones showing as unreadable either Error: 250 or 258 depending on the read. Is it possible that the JTAG is alright but that Xell was flashed improperly due to bad connections on the flasher?
I don't think the cable is too long as I used it on my last one which went off without a hitch and the cable was purchased with the flasher.
Thanks for the help and any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Post by: tk_saturn on January 24, 2011, 08:41:00 AM
Did you power on the console between those different sets of matching dumps?
Provided the differences between the dumps are within the bad blocks, then you are OK as you aren't using those bad blocks. You need to open the Nands in XNandHealer and see what it says you with regards ECC error blocks and Bad Blocks. Provided it says you have Bad Blocks and not ECC errors, you are normally OK.
Post by: Madhatta on January 24, 2011, 08:44:00 AM
QUOTE(tk_saturn @ Jan 24 2011, 04:41 PM)
Even with bad blocks, you still normally get matching dumps.
Provided the differences between the dumps are within the bad blocks, then you are OK as you aren't using those bad blocks. You need to open the Nands in XNandHealer and see what it says you with regards ECC error blocks and Bad Blocks. Provided it says you have Bad Blocks and not ECC errors, you are normally OK.
Ok I will download that program when I get home.
Any advice on the not booting into Xell? You think it might be a problem with the JTAG wiring or possibly a bad flash of Xell?
Post by: tk_saturn on January 24, 2011, 08:48:00 AM
If you are using AUD_CLAMP, you need to use a Xellous which is configured to use AUD_CLAMP. There's one in Loooky's guide http://www.mediafire...z2e5tsqbjlqsk4w
Post by: Madhatta on January 24, 2011, 09:02:00 AM
QUOTE(tk_saturn @ Jan 24 2011, 04:48 PM)
E79 is caused by bad wiring. Zephyr's can also suffer random E79's and need to be wired up using transistors/ AUD_CLAMP which is what you've done.
If you are using AUD_CLAMP, you need to use a Xellous which is configured to use AUD_CLAMP. There's one in Loooky's guide http://www.mediafire...z2e5tsqbjlqsk4w
Oh well crap I didn't know xell didn't work with aud_clamp. That could be my problem then huh?
If the box is booting into the normal dash then I am back at a good starting point for trying to get the read, correct? If so I will just focus on taking the flasher off and will try to re-solder it.
Post by: tk_saturn on January 24, 2011, 09:17:00 AM
QUOTE(Madhatta @ Jan 24 2011, 04:02 PM)
Oh well crap I didn't know xell didn't work with aud_clamp. That could be my problem then huh?
It works, you just have to match the configuration of the SMC to your wiring. Normal Xell images will expect the wiring to be ARGON_DATA + DB1F1. If you are using AUD_CLAMP, then that will cause your E79 as it won't be able to inject the JTAG hack.
The Xellous from Loooky's guide has already been configured to use AUD_CLAMP + DB1F1, and will make it easier for you. It saves you from having to extract the SMC from Xell and reconfigure it.
Likewise, you will need to configure freeBoot's SMC so it matches your wiring. Those NandPro errors are outside of where Xell is located, so flashing Xell is fine. But you need to sort them out before flashing freeBoot as you'll need to remap those bad blocks.
Post by: Madhatta on January 24, 2011, 09:22:00 AM
QUOTE(tk_saturn @ Jan 24 2011, 05:17 PM)
It works, you just have to match the configuration of the SMC to your wiring. Normal Xell images will expect the wiring to be ARGON_DATA + DB1F1. If you are using AUD_CLAMP, then that will cause your E79 as it won't be able to inject the JTAG hack.
The Xellous from Loooky's guide has already been configured to use AUD_CLAMP + DB1F1, and will make it easier for you. It saves you from having to extract the SMC from Xell and reconfigure it.
Likewise, you will need to configure freeBoot's SMC so it matches your wiring.
Ok well that's somewhat comforting to know my only problem may be the flasher and the reads I am getting then. Good to know
So with the inconsistent reads you are saying it's almost got to be the wiring either the ground or something else then?
Once I do get two consistent reads then I will need to remap the bad blocks? Any good guides on that? I can't access Loooky's guide from here but will check it out later to see if it has that information as well.
Thanks so much. Made my day to know I may still have a chance of getting this box done.
Post by: tk_saturn on January 24, 2011, 09:40:00 AM
You'll also be better off doing a few dumps through Xellous too, as that elmimates all your wiring etc and then you'll know it's from the bad blocks.
Post by: Madhatta on January 24, 2011, 09:44:00 AM
QUOTE(tk_saturn @ Jan 24 2011, 05:40 PM)
If you have a bad block, it is possible that every time you dump the Nand you'll get a different dump. I had a few consoles with bad blocks, and only one of them had that problem. However, you need to determine if your differences are from bad dumps or from the bad blocks. XNandHealer should give you an idea of that.
You'll also be better off doing a few dumps through Xellous too, as that elmimates all your wiring etc and then you'll know it's from the bad blocks.
Oh that's right, I need to get XNandHealer tonight. Forgot.
You can do dumps through Xellous? I have never used it so wasn't really sure what it did differently than Xell. So I am assuming it's safe to flash xellous to the NAND then even without knowing what's going on with my reads?
Could I hit you up on some chat this evening if you're available? You've been a ton of help.
Post by: tk_saturn on January 24, 2011, 01:03:00 PM
You've already previously flashed Xell, so flashing Xellous won't do any harm. It's also far less buggy than Xell.
Post by: Madhatta on January 24, 2011, 01:11:00 PM
I would like to just be back at square one then I was going to go through that tutorial.
Post by: Madhatta on January 24, 2011, 03:09:00 PM
QUOTE(tk_saturn @ Jan 24 2011, 09:37 PM)
That's the problem with that with tool. It doesn't flash itself, it uses Nandpro. I'm guessing it hides Nandpro when it does, so you can't be sure what it's done.
I'd assume it's flashed one of your 16Mb images back to the cosnole, so i'd go straight ahead and Flash Xellous-Audclamp.
Oh yeah, sorry I know you had said that before. What I wrote back was one of the reads it did with nandpro inside of jtag tool without xell flashed so Ia m hoping it just wronte it back to the way it was stock. I will install Xellous tonight or tomorrow and let you know how it goes.
Do you think I should rewire the ground to the chassis or something or just go with it the way it is now for the flasher?
Post by: tk_saturn on January 24, 2011, 03:25:00 PM
I always just take a length of solder of the roll and put it between them, it does no harm.
Post by: Madhatta on January 24, 2011, 03:29:00 PM
QUOTE(tk_saturn @ Jan 24 2011, 11:25 PM)
Don't unsolder anything, but adding an additional wire between the metal casing of the console and pc just acts as a backup incase you have a flakey ground.
I always just take a length of solder of the roll and put it between them, it does no harm.
Do you mean between the mobo and the flasher? Not quite getting it, sorry.
Post by: tk_saturn on January 24, 2011, 03:45:00 PM
Post by: Madhatta on January 24, 2011, 03:48:00 PM
QUOTE(tk_saturn @ Jan 24 2011, 11:45 PM)
Between the metal chassis of the console, to the metal chassis of the PC.
Oh and that will then give a decent ground to the flasher then even if the mobo is not bolted into the chassis? I just have it sitting in there right now.
Post by: tk_saturn on January 24, 2011, 04:10:00 PM
Some people solder a wire those big metal pads where the long screws go through, and take that to the PC chassis. But again, you need to it if your soldering is flakey.
Also remember even with Xellous, before powering it on make sure it's back in the chassis with the fans and fan shroud attached. Older consoles tend to run hot if you run them without the 8 black screws in the base too, the thermal paste seems to go off over time.
Post by: Madhatta on January 24, 2011, 04:14:00 PM
QUOTE(tk_saturn @ Jan 25 2011, 12:10 AM)
lol. I didn't know you had had it out of the chassis. I'm sure it will be fine without doing that, it's just something I like doing. I have mine flashed with Xellous before I even remove it from chassis.
Some people solder a wire those big metal pads where the long screws go through, and take that to the PC chassis. But again, you need to it if your soldering is flakey.
Also remember even with Xellous, before powering it on make sure it's back in the chassis with the fans and fan shroud attached. Older consoles tend to run hot if you run them without the 8 black screws in the base too, the thermal paste seems to go off over time.
Well I can screw it back in no prob I just hadn't put it back in yet because I had it out to do a red ring fix on it. It's actually in there but not bolted in is all.
I think my soldering is good but I am just second guessing myself because of the bad reads. I will compare the dumps tonight though and see what's going on.
Noted on the fans and fan shroud being in before turning it back on. Thanks
Post by: Madhatta on January 24, 2011, 05:02:00 PM
QUOTE(tk_saturn @ Jan 25 2011, 12:10 AM)
lol. I didn't know you had had it out of the chassis. I'm sure it will be fine without doing that, it's just something I like doing. I have mine flashed with Xellous before I even remove it from chassis.
Some people solder a wire those big metal pads where the long screws go through, and take that to the PC chassis. But again, you need to it if your soldering is flakey.
Also remember even with Xellous, before powering it on make sure it's back in the chassis with the fans and fan shroud attached. Older consoles tend to run hot if you run them without the 8 black screws in the base too, the thermal paste seems to go off over time.
So the newest revelation is that with NAND Healer it shows the images as being non-exploitable. I don't get that as it's a Zephyr with CB 4540. Any ideas? It is showing mismatches as well.
Post by: Madhatta on January 24, 2011, 09:59:00 PM
Anyway, I guess now I am wondering if the bad blocks need to be remapped before I create the freeboot image?
Edit: So now going into Xellous (with the eject button) it won't recognize anything off the USB. I was looking at all my images and it says the bad blocks have been moved to the end already and my updflash.bin reports no bad blocks. Should I flash the original image back with nandpro and try something else or should I leave Xellous on there?
Oh and secondary error code is 1013
Edit 2: So not sure if this will do me any good but I have a non-exploitable zephyr board here that is burned up. Would the nand image from it do me any good if it turns out mine is bad? I have other non zephyr boxes too. Just kinda stuck now and figured I would throw out there anything I had.