Post by: Guy Montag on January 19, 2010, 11:17:00 AM
Post by: Snigel on January 19, 2010, 03:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Guy Montag @ Jan 19 2010, 07:17 PM) 
Sounds like a grounding issue. Maybe something touching the case. Or satan has possessed your 360...tough call.
If it was grounding, it's strange that the time varies so much. It doesn't matter if I poke the 360. Most often it starts while I'm not at home or asleep, so any grounding fail wouldn't be able to move in any direction.
I've looked on my solders several times, they are neat and shouldn't touch anything.
Post by: Snigel on January 20, 2010, 07:54:00 AM
Post by: Guy Montag on January 20, 2010, 11:07:00 AM
Post by: craz3d on January 20, 2010, 11:57:00 AM
If you have leads going through the the board and out the bottom, they could be shorting out to the case. I will echo the previous comments that say to check for grounding issue. Place electrical tape over any leads that you've soldered; clip them if they're really long and you have a tool which will safely allow you to do so.
Post by: Snigel on January 21, 2010, 01:53:00 PM
I also tried changing my diodes from 1N4148 to BAT46. For this I also needed the 330ohm resistor, it seems that the need of the resistor depends on which diode you choose.
Anyhow, changing to BAT46 didn't change the issue at all. I will try running it without the case and see if that makes any difference. If it was something touching the chassis and shorting that would easily show this way.
Post by: Snigel on January 21, 2010, 02:48:00 PM
Wondering what's going on here. Went over all the solders again. Tried to blow dust and such of the motherboard also.
Post by: Snigel on January 21, 2010, 04:24:00 PM
Using the xbox without the box, still problems.
Tried resoldering the point on the bottom of motherboard. Still problems.
Tried soldering the point directly to the "power+led board" Still problems, perhaps even more.
I'm really out of ideas.
Since the first time this happened I've resoldered all points. Changed diodes, even changed model of diodes. Tried with and without the resistor instead of just wire.
I've tried soldering both to the power+led board and directly to the bottom of the motherboard.
Tried XBR with and without my extracted config block
QUOTE(Guy Montag @ Jan 20 2010, 07:07 PM)
My grounding issue that I've had is totally random. What i was able to find out was that it didn't happen outside of the metal case, only inside it. Then I narrowed it down to some specific screws that were doing it. To find out if it's a grounding issue you may want to run it outside the metal case and see if it happens again. What kind of mobo do you have? I've had the grounding issue on Jaspers.
Post by: craz3d on January 21, 2010, 06:02:00 PM
Perhaps this truly is a bug, I just think we'd see it more often if it was. Still reeks of user error to me though
Wish I could come take a look at it myself, there's only so much troubleshooting you can do with just written words.
If you haven't already done this, make sure that you have covered any exposed leads or bits of wire with electrical (NOT DUCT) tape. This means _all_ of them. The goal is to make sure that as your console settles/rests, exposed leads of a component don't touch any other conductors.
Post by: Snigel on January 21, 2010, 06:38:00 PM
I actually got a pro to do the soldering since I didn't want any user errors. The guy who helped me has chipped thousands of consoles since the PS1 time and really knows what he's doing. But tonight I also tried to resolder some points just to be sure. Didn't change a thing.
There is almost no exposed wire anywhere. The exposed parts are only so long that they can stick to the soldering points. The thing is that, if it was exposed wire that made this, at least I think that the problem should be easier to reproduce. For now it doesn't matter whether it's standing or lying down, inside the box or not. I can move the motherboard and push it around a little while the machine is running without anything happening.
Tried to find if the RF board did any stupid things, when the console was running I removed it, reinserted it, even inserted it in an angle. Nothing of that made the xbox hang, shut down or reboot.
I really want to find some way to reproduce the error, but I can't.
What bothers me is that the console can turn itself on when the RF board is disconnected, or at least I remember it that way. Is there two pins on the motherboard (like in a regular pc) that you could short for booting the machine up?
Post by: craz3d on January 21, 2010, 06:49:00 PM
QUOTE(Snigel @ Jan 21 2010, 08:38 PM)
What bothers me is that the console can turn itself on when the RF board is disconnected, or at least I remember it that way. Is there two pins on the motherboard (like in a regular pc) that you could short for booting the machine up?
This is such a strange issue. To tell you the truth, the thing you mentioned about 2 pins on a PC is the kind of logic I was using when I suggested to check for exposed leads.I'd say stop worrying about it until the next XBR comes out and just unplug your system while you're gone. It sounds to me like you've exhausted all of your options, maybe its a software bug and the next version of XBR will fix this issue. Perhaps its an issue with the points chosen and improved points will come out. This is really shitty advice, and I don't like giving it, but what else can you do? Other than go crazy trying to find a mistake you might not have made, of course...
I have my own set of problems, namely that I don't keep my system plugged in and it always loses its time. Also, my console doesn't always boot properly. I get no video or sound and have to hit the power button twice more, once to turn back off, then again to turn it on and hope it boots. I guess we're very early in the dev cycle, the wrinkles will get ironed out.
Post by: Guy Montag on January 21, 2010, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: Perplexer on January 22, 2010, 07:35:00 AM
Sometimes random quadrants were lit on the ring of light. Then I found that my infrared remote control wouldn't work (although regular wireless controllers worked fine).
I swapped out the RF board and got the RoL problem sorted, and my infrared remote worked again, but the console would still boot up randomly. So I put it on a Bye Bye Standby.
This fixed the self-power-on problem, but later, in the middle of a couple hour FTP session, my system red-ringed with error 0002 (power supply problem). Ever since, the console only works for 20-30 seconds before it red rings.
I plan on doing more troubleshooting (replacing MOSFETs) but I hope your system isn't on the same path...
Post by: omega232 on January 24, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
Post by: LS1Nova on January 25, 2010, 01:31:00 AM
Hope that helps.
Matt
Post by: ian_hard on January 25, 2010, 04:52:00 AM
QUOTE(Snigel @ Jan 25 2010, 12:57 PM)
Two days I soldered the alternate DB1F1 point at the bottom of the motherboard. Since then I haven't had any troubles. I'm not totally sure that this is the solution yet since the errors seem to show up totally at random.
The DB1F1 point was soldered and resoldered several time by a pro for me. He has soldered lots of via points before, so I really don't understand what could go wrong there. Perhaps is there some difference between the point I took at the bottom or the errors just feels friendly and don't wanna show up.
surrounding the db1f1 point is ground and could be shorting on that somehow randomly. what sorta solder you use for the db1f1 point and is the diode soldered to the point to the J somthing point