Post by: rkimbal45 on November 29, 2009, 06:50:00 AM
Post by: RRODXbox on November 29, 2009, 07:26:00 AM
Also any network data is encrypted so we cant use that route if you was thinking of blocking detection?
Post by: rkimbal45 on November 29, 2009, 07:54:00 AM
QUOTE(RRODXbox @ Nov 29 2009, 09:26 AM) 
I believe that they can detect the behaviour of the disc in the drive when being played, not being able to detect the firmware on its own.
Also any network data is encrypted so we cant use that route if you was thinking of blocking detection?
But that does give a good indication that you can mod your console and use it to get dlc and system updates safely, if you just stay offline when you play your games.
Post by: buttface96 on November 29, 2009, 03:23:00 PM
QUOTE(rkimbal45 @ Nov 29 2009, 06:54 AM)
But that does give a good indication that you can mod your console and use it to get dlc and system updates safely, if you just stay offline when you play your games.
not if the nand stores your flags
. Then your screwed regardless playing offline. Plus I heard rumors going around that original games play differently on modified fw.
Post by: Frog_Racer on November 29, 2009, 03:34:00 PM
thats just speculation
Post by: ruley on November 29, 2009, 06:06:00 PM
QUOTE(Frog_Racer @ Nov 30 2009, 08:34 AM)
they could have sent a command to the xbox telling them to dump the firmware to the hdd and then do a checksum against the hash (because microsoft would know what models had which type of drive) and if they differed put up a ban flag.
thats just speculation
correct me if i am wrong i dont know much about checksums and hashes but wouldnt everyone be different due to the key.
Post by: buttface96 on November 29, 2009, 07:10:00 PM
QUOTE(Frog_Racer @ Nov 29 2009, 02:34 PM)
they could have sent a command to the xbox telling them to dump the firmware to the hdd and then do a checksum against the hash (because microsoft would know what models had which type of drive) and if they differed put up a ban flag.
thats just speculation
I don't think that is possible, reason being the drive would need to be entered into its vendor mode for reading/writing fw. The drive is inoperable for normal gameplay use during this stage so I don't think m$ pursued this route for detection. I'm pretty sure they used a series of methods outside of dumping fw to detect whether or not the box is modified. for example, with all the added security checks that ixtreme offered, increased the time interval of the dvd drive accepting the disc (a stock drive would have a few checks, ixtreme had several) So perhaps a bit of code flagged itself each time a game took longer to verify than it should. And bam, m$ just figured out a way to detect modded firmware without actually detecting modified firmware, but rather detecting these inconsistencies.
Post by: DemisesAngel on November 29, 2009, 07:26:00 PM
Post by: chiodin on December 01, 2009, 03:12:00 AM
QUOTE(ruley @ Nov 29 2009, 11:06 PM) 
correct me if i am wrong i dont know much about checksums and hashes but wouldnt everyone be different due to the key.
if you do the checksum of the entire firmware, it's true, but if you do just some key parts, it could do a specific chcksum for each kind of dvd drive.
DemisesAngel
it's exactly what I think. To do a test I have a xbox, still on live, that I just modded after the october update. It's working great until now.
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Post by: Secret-Service on December 01, 2009, 04:53:00 AM
Post by: me2611 on December 01, 2009, 05:33:00 AM
QUOTE(Secret-Service @ Dec 1 2009, 01:53 PM)
I has talk with one there know something about Nonstealth 1.4 and all other firmware he says that all firmware "Extreme,iXtreme " can be detectet by MS. the firmware has some security calculations there take to long for the "Extreme,iXtreme " But it will be fix in the new one "LT". you can believe it or not. But it a trusted source.
You have posted this on 3-4 differnet topics on xbox-scene now how true is this? I see you only have 4 posts.
Post by: Secret-Service on December 01, 2009, 05:42:00 AM
QUOTE(me2611 @ Dec 1 2009, 01:33 PM)
You have posted this on 3-4 differnet topics on xbox-scene now how true is this? I see you only have 4 posts.
Yes i has because it was almost the same questions? How true this is ? you can believe it or not.. But why would I lie? Would not make much sense? I give just the knowledge I have disclosed. Yes i has only post 4 post. But maybe i dont use my normally username here more because it is my gamertag on live?
But I will not give you a name. If he want his name out, he may even write it by himself. I give only my knowledge to you and others.
Post by: me2611 on December 01, 2009, 06:43:00 AM
Post by: Secret-Service on December 01, 2009, 07:07:00 AM
QUOTE(me2611 @ Dec 1 2009, 02:43 PM)
wasn't saying you would lie, It just seemed random. I hope your wrong though lol
A okay sorry, but there is no random in this...
Post by: TimSykes on December 02, 2009, 11:19:00 AM
Post by: peapea24 on December 02, 2009, 06:07:00 PM
QUOTE(TimSykes @ Dec 3 2009, 01:19 AM)
I can tell you that they must store flags. I set up a external modded drive and kept my original drive in my 360. I had a external sata cable out of the back of the 360 so I would connect what ever drive I wanted to use, and always unplugged my network when I used the modded drive, yet I was still banned.
Are you sure that you never on live with your moded drive? Please confirm, because I am doing as you did.
When did you get banned anyway?
Post by: nomarx on December 03, 2009, 02:54:00 AM
Post by: Ranger72 on December 25, 2009, 09:57:00 AM
QUOTE(zerocool5878 @ Dec 25 2009, 07:09 AM)
They must have a way to detect the firmware because I had a hitachi w/ 1.5 on it. I had the REAL MW2 disc in and was banned in last ban wave.
Funny part is at the same time I had a backup in another xbox with benq using 1.61 and that one still is not banned.
I turned them both on at the same time so I would have thought that both would have gotten banned but maybe they just found a way on hitachi and liteons cuz the benq is still running strong
I am sure at some point in your consoles life you have a backup in the drive. Even if it was not online at the time.
Post by: Takashi on December 25, 2009, 06:08:00 PM
Stealth Firmware.
It returned a response that was easy to detect as modified.
Use non stealth with abgx CORRECTLY, and not worry.
Post by: Brooshop on December 27, 2009, 04:10:00 PM
QUOTE(Takashi @ Dec 26 2009, 03:08 AM)
I'm quite sure that the final determination has been this...
Stealth Firmware.
It returned a response that was easy to detect as modified.
Use non stealth with abgx CORRECTLY, and not worry.
what he say is probly right my mate has a samsung on 1.4 not banned my brother has a 79 hitiachi i think he had some old firmware (1.5 maybe) and still not banned.