Post by: k0mpresd on November 08, 2009, 07:58:00 PM
what you need:
your 8955 live console + cpu key
a 2nd unbanned console
nandpro b + flash cable
xell loader
degraded
1888 fs
robinsod's flashtool
process:
use nandpro and dump nand from unbanned console.
flash xell and use jtag hack to obtain cpu key.
use flashtool to extract file system.
dump nand from 8955 console.
use flashtool to patch nand dump with kv.bin from unbanned console.
save patched file (patched_kv.bin).
open degraded + 1888 fs.
create 1888 downgrader image (downgrader.bin) from your patched_kv.bin file.
flash downgrader.bin to 8955 console.
attach hdd + ethernet cable and boot console.
connect to live and update to 8955 dashboard.
console is now fully working and unbanned!
Post by: TheDemonIII on November 08, 2009, 08:10:00 PM
Post by: lilhaywood on November 08, 2009, 08:10:00 PM
Post by: iTry on November 08, 2009, 08:11:00 PM
reply back later to confirm
Post by: Demonsc on November 08, 2009, 08:11:00 PM
Post by: majinsoftware on November 08, 2009, 08:50:00 PM
a 8955 console means you have played on live and have the update.
The only way to get the cpukey is to have run xell.
Only way to run xell is if you dash version is below 8XXXX you can find this in the system info of the xbox.
Or if you played on live in the last 3 months your out of luck. Also all the new wave 4 games have the update that will disable xell from working so your out of luck there aswell.
Unless you backedup your cpukey from in the past.
Post by: k0mpresd on November 08, 2009, 08:52:00 PM
Post by: Demonsc on November 08, 2009, 09:23:00 PM
Also this question wasn't answered
in doing this, wouldnt you not be able to play both consoles online simultaneously?
This post has been edited by Demonsc: Nov 9 2009, 05:35 AM
Post by: docentore on November 09, 2009, 10:10:00 AM
You think there will be a way to run Xell if the dash version is above 8XXXX in the future?
No one knows, probably not
QUOTE
in doing this, wouldnt you not be able to play both consoles online simultaneously?
Yes, for 30 seconds or less, then you will be banned again. (I think)
Post by: bmoney03 on November 09, 2009, 03:27:00 PM
Post by: k0mpresd on November 10, 2009, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: g-sas on November 10, 2009, 09:10:00 AM
For what do you need the cpu-key of the banned console?
Post by: gbrrs on November 10, 2009, 09:15:00 AM
contents of the keyvault are banned. not the cpu key. that is why you patch orig.bin from 8955 console with kv from unbanned console.
k0mpresd: but who has the updated console and doesnt has the cpukey, isn't possible, because to use the jtag hack(need to catch the cpukey) your dashboard need to be in a version earlier of the 849x.. Do you know how to resolve it?
Thanks and sorry for my English.
Post by: k0mpresd on November 10, 2009, 09:22:00 AM
I don't get it completely.
For what do you need the cpu-key of the banned console?
mainly, to decrypt nand dump so it is possible to patch new kv.
k0mpresd: but who has the updated console and doesnt has the cpukey, isn't possible, because to use the jtag hack(need to catch the cpukey) your dashboard need to be in a version earlier of the 849x.. Do you know how to resolve it?
Thanks and sorry for my English.
there is no solution for updated consoles if you do not already have cpu key.
Post by: gbrrs on November 10, 2009, 09:40:00 AM
mainly, to decrypt nand dump so it is possible to patch new kv.
there is no solution for updated consoles if you do not already have cpu key.
thanks, but you know a solution to catch the cpukey?
Post by: kaos_king on November 10, 2009, 04:21:00 PM
Post by: kipper2k on November 11, 2009, 08:01:00 AM
If i was to either read the nand off a rrod board or remove the nand and cpu is it possible to do the following to get the box unbanned... (i am not worried about resoldering them, thats no big deal for me)
option 1. get a read from the Nand of the RROD board, overwrite that bin file to the Nand of the banned 360 and then replace the CPU of the banned box with the RROD CPU, do the jtag hack to get the cpukey, DVD key and then put original fw back onto the correct dvd etc..
Or...
option 2. remove nand from RROD board and resolder to banned 360 and then replace the CPU from banned box with the RROD CPU, do the jtag hack to get the cpukey, DVD key and thenput original fw back onto the correct dvd etc..
Any thoughts, it seems to me this should satisfy the checks in order to get it back online again ? (assuming of course the RROD console wasn't banned to start with, that would be my luck LOL:)
This post has been edited by kipper2k: Nov 11 2009, 04:09 PM
Post by: peapea24 on November 11, 2009, 08:40:00 AM
Thank you in advance
Post by: kipper2k on November 11, 2009, 09:26:00 AM
QUOTE(peapea24 @ Nov 11 2009, 04:40 PM) 
to patch kv.bin, do we have to get 1BL? How to get 1BL?
Thank you in advance
google is your best friend
Post by: k0mpresd on November 11, 2009, 10:32:00 AM
QUOTE(kipper2k @ Nov 11 2009, 10:01 AM)
Heres a tricky question. Lets say you have a banned 360 and a whole pile of RROD boards kicking around, can the following be done. (lets assume the RROD boards have been sitting around for at least 2 years obviously with no updates).
If i was to either read the nand off a rrod board or remove the nand and cpu is it possible to do the following to get the box unbanned... (i am not worried about resoldering them, thats no big deal for me)
option 1. get a read from the Nand of the RROD board, overwrite that bin file to the Nand of the banned 360 and then replace the CPU of the banned box with the RROD CPU, do the jtag hack to get the cpukey, DVD key and then put original fw back onto the correct dvd etc..
Or...
option 2. remove nand from RROD board and resolder to banned 360 and then replace the CPU from banned box with the RROD CPU, do the jtag hack to get the cpukey, DVD key and thenput original fw back onto the correct dvd etc..
Any thoughts, it seems to me this should satisfy the checks in order to get it back online again ? (assuming of course the RROD console wasn't banned to start with, that would be my luck LOL:)
both would work. the point is to get a matching nand/cpukey + unbanned keyvault. however you can accomplish that will get you back online.
Post by: kipper2k on November 11, 2009, 11:14:00 AM
QUOTE(k0mpresd @ Nov 11 2009, 06:32 PM)
both would work. the point is to get a matching nand/cpukey + unbanned keyvault. however you can accomplish that will get you back online.
Thanks for the reply, i gonna give option 1 a shot and see what happens
Post by: kaos_king on November 11, 2009, 11:28:00 AM
QUOTE(kipper2k @ Nov 11 2009, 06:14 PM) 
Thanks for the reply, i gonna give option 1 a shot and see what happens (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Interested to see how this goes - keep us posted pal, and good luck! lol
Post by: pesaddict on November 11, 2009, 01:38:00 PM
Post by: uss ducky on November 11, 2009, 01:39:00 PM
Post by: k0mpresd on November 11, 2009, 01:46:00 PM
Post by: pesaddict on November 11, 2009, 01:58:00 PM
Post by: k0mpresd on November 11, 2009, 03:09:00 PM
QUOTE(pesaddict @ Nov 11 2009, 03:58 PM)
8955 just checked mine its 8955 so would i need a unbanned 360 to do this hack ?
yes. plus the cpukey for your banned console. and theres currently no way to obtain cpukey on 8xxx+ console.
Post by: kipper2k on November 11, 2009, 04:21:00 PM
QUOTE(kaos_king @ Nov 11 2009, 07:28 PM)
Interested to see how this goes - keep us posted pal, and good luck! lol
K, heres my status. I read the Nand perfectly on the RROD 360. I have removed the CPU (from RROD box), and for the hell of it i attempted to read the Nand again after i cleaned up all the solder blobs left on the motherboard... I was able to read the Nand again, and got an identical comparison to the read i done initially. Next step now is to remove the GPU from the banned 360, do the swap, reprogram the Nand and see what happens, but that is for tomorrow.
At least the Nand doesnt have to be desoldered from the RROD board so that is a plus
edit... i did practice on the RROD board with my Solder Balls and CPU mask overlay and it took a couple of attempts but i was able to get the solder balls on all the pads. I know it should be on the CPU itself but the pads on the mobo look more solid.
This post has been edited by kipper2k: Nov 12 2009, 12:38 AM
Post by: AllSewnUp on November 12, 2009, 02:21:00 AM
I tested it today just to see if it would. Not really that difficult either....thanks for the heads up.
I don't play burnt games online because any game good enough to play online is worth buying to me, but it is still useful information. Stuff like this can only lead to more and more advances in the future.
I personally bought a banned console for like $30 a few years back and just play burnt games on it from time to time to see if I like them. If I do I tend to buy them for my non-modded console.
This really is pretty easy....the problem is for some reason opening a gaming console intimidates people. They don't think of it as just a PC so it scares them. And soldering!....oh no. LOL.
Everyone is all worried about the recent bannings and think that Microsoft has finally fixed the problem permanently. I don't see that at all, in fact, I see the opposite. I say within the year the xbox 360 is fully hacked and you have xbmc360 with endless rom's and still have the ability to play burnt games online relatively worry free. Maybe I'm optimistic, but this about a 360 that actually has good media center capabilites, free games, endless rom's (including xbox 1 rom's), plus natal and all that jazz. Sounds cool to me.
The main deterrent is the relentless updates, but as I understand it there is only a limited about of update fuses the xbox 360 has....so what happens when they are all used? I am sure Microsoft will still be able to update, but the nand will remain the same after that in all future updates. Then we have something concrete and permanent to work with hopefully.
Post by: majinsoftware on November 12, 2009, 03:49:00 AM
Just wait and maybe they will find a new exploit.
Post by: SilverS3 on November 12, 2009, 08:28:00 PM
Post by: kipper2k on November 12, 2009, 08:37:00 PM
I would really like to find a zif socket or equivalent socket for the cpu so i could put it on one of my Free 60 machines.
This post has been edited by kipper2k: Nov 13 2009, 04:41 AM
Post by: itzhaze on November 13, 2009, 12:01:00 AM
Post by: non2100 on November 13, 2009, 10:29:00 AM
QUOTE(k0mpresd @ Nov 10 2009, 11:37 PM)
contents of the keyvault are banned. not the cpu key. that is why you patch orig.bin from 8955 console with kv from unbanned console.
i have a question.
banned console A
not banned console B
unbanned console A using KV of console B.
then if console A will be got re-ban, this meaning console B get ban too? because of using same KV both of these.
This post has been edited by non2100: Nov 13 2009, 06:34 PM
Post by: 0Chaos0 on November 13, 2009, 01:59:00 PM
So Both box A and B can/cannot be online at the same time?
The 30sec comment means that someone has to be logged in with a difference greater then 30 seconds?
Or you have under 30 seconds to wtf get off?
Post by: sid1747 on November 13, 2009, 02:47:00 PM
i just bought a used xbox 360 manufactured date was 07, and it was sold sept. of this year.
could i use this trick to unban my brothers xbox so he could play online again? i dont need to play mine online?
Post by: paperc07 on November 13, 2009, 03:15:00 PM
Post by: 0Chaos0 on November 13, 2009, 03:17:00 PM
QUOTE(paperc07 @ Nov 13 2009, 02:15 PM)
ok so this is basically pointless because everyone is updated so how is this of any use to us
Well if you read some of the posts, you would realize that RRoD 360s may be used and there are a lot of situations were this is applicable.
Pretty sure the OP wasn't posting a fix all / end all solution.
Just rather sharing with us something they figured out.
Thanks kindly OP.
This post has been edited by 0Chaos0: Nov 13 2009, 11:18 PM
Post by: notmyrealname on November 13, 2009, 03:33:00 PM
M$ smirk must be a frown right now.....LOL
Post by: k0mpresd on November 13, 2009, 05:01:00 PM
QUOTE(0Chaos0 @ Nov 13 2009, 05:17 PM)
Thanks kindly OP.
sure. i spent the better part of a day trying to figure out the easiest/most effective way to accomplish my task at hand (getting my console back online). and this process is what i came up with. and like i said previously, i had been storing my cpukey since aug 07. this isnt a fix all/end all. this assumes you have some background knowledge.
Post by: jester on November 13, 2009, 05:18:00 PM
QUOTE(k0mpresd @ Nov 8 2009, 09:58 PM)
dump nand from 8955 console.
use flashtool to patch nand dump with kv.bin from unbanned console.
save patched file (patched_kv.bin).
What happened to Christmas lights when patching KV post-NXE? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)
http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?topic=7872.120
EDIT: Have you done any testing on Falcon/Opus/Jasper boards? You did say that you had been holding on to your key since 2007, which leads me to believe you are using a Xenon, and this method won't work for all consoles.
QUOTE
I have two old xenons with NXE (7371) that I can do anything I want with their keyvaults.
Both were made *before* the KK exploit was released and NAND modification tools were made public. By what I noticed, Falcon has extra obfuscation and layout was modified to make sure that flash tool would no longer work.
This post has been edited by Xoxide: Nov 14 2009, 01:22 AM
Post by: pwnsweet on November 13, 2009, 07:18:00 PM
QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Nov 12 2009, 06:49 PM)
If your dash is 8XXXX or up theres no way to get the cpukey.
Just wait and maybe they will find a new exploit.
OK. I've got an interesting situation here. Hear me out and tell me if this will work. I've got two Xbox 360's with THE SAME SERIAL number. Both are the same revision Falcon motherboard and they both have the same serial number in the dashboard. One is pre-summer 09 dashboard (7xxx, and obviously unbanned), the other is 8955 and banned. I don't have the CPU key of either console.
My question is, can I use the CPU key from the 7xxx Xbox 360 to unban my 8955 banned console or is the CPU key unique to each Xbox 360, regardless of serial number?
Post by: jester on November 13, 2009, 07:32:00 PM
QUOTE(pwnsweet @ Nov 13 2009, 09:18 PM)
OK. I've got an interesting situation here. Hear me out and tell me if this will work. I've got two Xbox 360's with THE SAME SERIAL number. Both are the same revision Falcon motherboard and they both have the same serial number in the dashboard. One is pre-summer 09 dashboard (7xxx, and obviously unbanned), the other is 8955 and banned. I don't have the CPU key of either console.
My question is, can I use the CPU key from the 7xxx Xbox 360 to unban my 8955 banned console or is the CPU key unique to each Xbox 360, regardless of serial number?
CPU Key is unique.
Post by: pwnsweet on November 13, 2009, 07:53:00 PM
QUOTE(Xoxide @ Nov 14 2009, 10:32 AM)
CPU Key is unique.
Thanks for the quick, straightforward reply.
Post by: ourmuse on November 13, 2009, 08:02:00 PM
Post by: jester on November 13, 2009, 08:09:00 PM
QUOTE(ourmuse @ Nov 13 2009, 10:02 PM)
Hey guys so is there a way to use this to get the cpu key to rewrite a drive key that doesnt match with the xbox? So you can replace a 360 drive if the drive you have has the wrong dvd key? Help me if you can as I have some systems with mismatched drives. Thanks.
Yes, on any motherboard that you can properly edit the keyvault on post-NXE (Read: none past Falcon without heavy modification [Source]), you can patch the region/OSIG to your hearts content. However it might be easier to simply read the OSIG in 360 Flash Tool, and spoof your mismatched drives accordingly.
Post by: ourmuse on November 13, 2009, 08:12:00 PM
QUOTE(Xoxide @ Nov 13 2009, 09:09 PM)
Yes, on any motherboard that you can properly edit the keyvault on post-NXE (Read: none past Falcon without heavy modification [Source]), you can patch the region/OSIG to your hearts content. However it might be easier to simply read the OSIG in 360 Flash Tool, and spoof your mismatched drives accordingly.
EXCELLENT NEWS!!! Thanks! you just made my week... I have so many 360's that I can get up and going now... now to learn how to do it!
Post by: ourmuse on November 13, 2009, 08:29:00 PM
Post by: doinky on November 13, 2009, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: ourmuse on November 13, 2009, 08:33:00 PM
QUOTE(doinky @ Nov 13 2009, 09:30 PM)
Or you can save the headache, buy another xbox from walmart, do a switcharooni, then return the defective back. problem solved.
No, I want to learn how to do this anyway as I have many good 360's here that work great but have mismatched drives.
Post by: jester on November 13, 2009, 08:33:00 PM
This post has been edited by Xoxide: Nov 14 2009, 04:34 AM
Post by: ourmuse on November 13, 2009, 08:38:00 PM
QUOTE(ourmuse @ Nov 13 2009, 09:12 PM)
EXCELLENT NEWS!!! Thanks! you just made my week... I have so many 360's that I can get up and going now... now to learn how to do it!
Shit! Looks like theres soldering required... Im the worst at soldering...
Post by: warbeast on November 13, 2009, 09:06:00 PM
QUOTE(Xoxide @ Nov 14 2009, 04:33 AM)
k0mpresd: please edit the main post to say that this is only confirmed working on Xenon mainboards, so you don't have a huge amount of people attempting to unban and posting about their problems with newer consoles.
do you mean because they hash check the keyvault now after nxe so as soon as you update above nxe you get red lights with newer consoles
if this is the case i agree it does need to be added before people start trying it on newer consoles
Post by: jester on November 13, 2009, 09:11:00 PM
QUOTE(warbeast @ Nov 13 2009, 11:06 PM)
do you mean because they hash check the keyvault now after nxe so as soon as you update above nxe you get red lights with newer consoles
if this is the case i agree it does need to be added before people start trying it on newer consoles
No, it's hardware-based. Xenons can do what OP described. Newer mainboards cannot. Check the very top of the first post for a link to a an x-s news posting.
Post by: warbeast on November 13, 2009, 09:26:00 PM
Post by: jester on November 13, 2009, 09:34:00 PM
QUOTE(warbeast @ Nov 13 2009, 11:26 PM)
yh that is what i ment! from falcon upwards but i thought they didnt start using it untill nxe was released so people can edit the keyvault using pre nxe on newer models but as soon as it takes a nxe update it does the chrismass lights...
Right, but anyone who got banned isn't pre-nxe.
Post by: ilscuro on November 14, 2009, 01:04:00 AM
QUOTE(doinky @ Nov 14 2009, 03:30 AM)
Or you can save the headache, buy another xbox from walmart, do a switcharooni, then return the defective back. problem solved.
Apart from being illegal that's also immoral, and against the rules of this forum, imagine some little kid buying that console only to find out it's a banned one.
QUOTE
IF YOU ADMIT TO RETURN FRAUD
If you returned your banned console to Walmart or some game store or otherwise offloaded your console to someone who didn't know it was banned/broken/modified/etc you will not only be banned but will we likely contact law enforcement in your area and report you. Yes, we can get that information, it's not difficult to do and we have done it before.
Post by: tech3475 on November 14, 2009, 01:05:00 AM
Just wondering, is there ANY chance of a console hack coming out for the summer 09 dashboard? Since my console is banned and I am now using a second console I might as well use it for hacks.
Post by: jester on November 14, 2009, 02:00:00 AM
QUOTE(ilscuro @ Nov 14 2009, 03:04 AM)
imagine some little kid buying that console only to find out it's a banned one.
The general idea is to claim it is defective, to have the console sent to M$.
From what I hear.
Post by: ilscuro on November 14, 2009, 02:08:00 AM
QUOTE(Xoxide @ Nov 14 2009, 09:00 AM)
The general idea is to claim it is defective, to have the console sent to M$.
From what I hear.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but he said return it to walmart not M$
Post by: Xoxide on November 14, 2009, 02:19:00 AM
QUOTE(ilscuro @ Nov 14 2009, 04:08 AM)
Correct me if i'm wrong, but he said return it to walmart not M$
And they ask you why you are returning it. If you tell them it doesn't work, they will mark it as defective and send it to M$.
Post by: strawsy on November 14, 2009, 02:27:00 AM
Post by: TheAquanox on November 14, 2009, 05:06:00 AM
I have:
1. A dead, Hitachi RROD Pre-July 2009 update console which is NOT banned. (It died early this year)
2. A Jasper, Lite-On banned today.
Would I be able to get the key from that old console in order to transfere it to the newer console?
Thank you!
Post by: cuberob on November 14, 2009, 07:23:00 AM
QUOTE(TheAquanox @ Nov 14 2009, 01:06 PM)
I would like to know if this would work in my situtation.
I have:
1. A dead, Hitachi RROD Pre-July 2009 update console which is NOT banned. (It died early this year)
2. A Jasper, Lite-On banned today.
Would I be able to get the key from that old console in order to transfere it to the newer console?
Thank you!
If you have the cpu key of your jasper, yes.
so probably, no.
Post by: kompulsive on November 14, 2009, 03:16:00 PM
QUOTE(paperc07 @ Nov 13 2009, 04:15 PM)
ok so this is basically pointless because everyone is updated so how is this of any use to us
That is incorrect. There are numerous ways to acquire a system that hasn't been updated and many of us have more than one of them on hand. However, something like this probably won't be of any use to you. Above all else, this involves reading and paying attention to detail; two things you've clearly failed at horribly.
Post by: kompulsive on November 14, 2009, 05:22:00 PM
QUOTE(cuberob @ Nov 14 2009, 08:23 AM)
If you have the cpu key of your jasper, yes.
so probably, no.
I'm trying to follow closely and keep up, but bare with me please.
Isn't the idea to transfer the key from the unbanned box to the banned box? If so, why wouldn't this fix work in his case? Is the problem that the banned Jasper already has the summer update? I was under the impression that only the box you are pulling the key from needs to be pre-update, not the other way around. Please correct me if I am misunderstood, which I believe I may be.
Post by: Xoxide on November 14, 2009, 05:35:00 PM
QUOTE(kompulsive @ Nov 14 2009, 07:22 PM)
I'm trying to follow closely and keep up, but bare with me please. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
Isn't the idea to transfer the key from the unbanned box to the banned box? If so, why wouldn't this fix work in his case? Is the problem that the banned Jasper already has the summer update? I was under the impression that only the box you are pulling the key from needs to be pre-update, not the other way around. Please correct me if I am misunderstood, which I believe I may be.
You need both CPU keys. You need to decrypt the KV from the unbanned xbox with said CPU key, then patch it into the second 360's NAND, which involves re-encrypting it with the second one's CPU key.
The CPU key is inside the actual CPU, so the only way to change keys is by swapping the CPU (and the image on the NAND).
Post by: kompulsive on November 14, 2009, 05:46:00 PM
QUOTE(Xoxide @ Nov 14 2009, 06:35 PM)
The CPU key is inside the actual CPU, so the only way to change keys is by swapping the CPU (and the image on the NAND).
Ahhh, thank you for clearing this up. That answers my question about soldering. The answer is "Yes," you will need to solder for this fix in order to swap the CPUs. Ok, I think I'm making some progress here.
Post by: xrkahn76 on November 14, 2009, 05:53:00 PM
QUOTE(kompulsive @ Nov 14 2009, 06:46 PM)
Ahhh, thank you for clearing this up. That answers my question about soldering. The answer is "Yes," you will need to solder for this fix in order to swap the CPUs. Ok, I think I'm making some progress here.
This goes beyond the realm of soldering. It is more along the lines of reflow/reball, as you may need to do just that to replace a CPU. If only it had a ZIF slot!
I have to tip my hat to the guy a few posts up about failing to read! Too much legit info gets buried because people would rather post a question than read to see if it has already been asked or answered.
I hate to sway away from the topic, but I would like to say I am part of a small, but very slowly growing number of people who have accepted the banned fate and moved on to play online with Xlink! it does suck that there is no voice in MW2, but it beats hearing some annoying 12 year old screaming for joy every time he gets a kill.
Post by: Xoxide on November 14, 2009, 06:03:00 PM
QUOTE(kompulsive @ Nov 14 2009, 07:46 PM)
Ahhh, thank you for clearing this up. That answers my question about soldering. The answer is "Yes," you will need to solder for this fix in order to swap the CPUs. Ok, I think I'm making some progress here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
It's completely possible to do without swapping the CPUs. The problem is that you needed to retrieve the keys prior to the Summer 09 update.
Post by: kompulsive on November 14, 2009, 08:13:00 PM
QUOTE(Xoxide @ Nov 14 2009, 07:03 PM)
It's completely possible to do without swapping the CPUs. The problem is that you needed to retrieve the keys prior to the Summer 09 update.
Ok...I think I'm back to being lost again, but let me ask you something. Wouldn't, for example, an unbanned RRoD box that hasn't been online for around a year be good to get a key from? If so, why wouldn't you be able to use that RRoD box to unban a Jasper? I'm trying to use a very simple example here. I don't really understand where the breakdown would occur if it would not be possible to unban the box in this example.
Post by: Xoxide on November 14, 2009, 08:28:00 PM
QUOTE(kompulsive @ Nov 14 2009, 10:13 PM)
Ok...I think I'm back to being lost again, but let me ask you something. Wouldn't, for example, an unbanned RRoD box that hasn't been online for around a year be good to get a key from? If so, why wouldn't you be able to use that RRoD box to unban a Jasper? I'm trying to use a very simple example here. I don't really understand where the breakdown would occur if it would not be possible to unban the box in this example.
Jaspers cannot run the 1888 kernel, which is needed in this tutorial.
Aside from that, you would need the banned xbox to power on (with video) long enough to retrieve the CPU key, and you would need to already have the CPU key for the Jasper (to re-encrypt the kv).
Let's say you got the really good idea (not so much) to swap the CPU/NAND from the unbanned xbox to the newly banned xbox. At that point it comes down to compatibility (You cannot use a 90nm CPU from a Xenon on a Jasper) as well as your own skillset. Reflowing/reballing would be extremely difficult, and would cost a lot of money if you don't already have the tools.
There is no solderless solution, since you need to solder LPT points to be able to read/write the NAND on both consoles.
Post by: kompulsive on November 14, 2009, 08:30:00 PM
QUOTE(Xoxide @ Nov 14 2009, 09:28 PM)
Jaspers cannot run the 1888 kernel, which is needed in this tutorial.
Aside from that, you would need the banned xbox to power on (with video) long enough to retrieve the CPU key, and you would need to already have the CPU key for the Jasper (to re-encrypt the kv).
Let's say you got the really good idea (not so much) to swap the CPU/NAND from the unbanned xbox to the newly banned xbox. At that point it comes down to compatibility (You cannot use a 90nm CPU from a Xenon on a Jasper) as well as your own skillset. Reflowing/reballing would be extremely difficult, and would cost a lot of money if you don't already have the tools.
There is no solderless solution, since you need to solder LPT points to be able to read/write the NAND on both consoles.
Thank you. Well, this pretty much closes the book for me. I'm just going to buy a new box this time I believe. All I have is a banned Jasper and some old RRoD boxes, so I don't think there is any way for me to pull this off.
Post by: Xoxide on November 14, 2009, 08:31:00 PM
QUOTE(kompulsive @ Nov 14 2009, 10:30 PM)
Thank you. Well, this pretty much closes the book for me. I'm just going to buy a new box this time I believe. All I have is a banned Jasper and some old RRoD boxes, so I don't think there is any way for me to pull this off.
Fix the RRoD boxes.
How many do you have? I'll take a couple. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: loldart on November 14, 2009, 08:55:00 PM
Post by: vampep on November 14, 2009, 10:51:00 PM
Now is it possible to get the needed information to put on my banned modded console and not get banned?
Post by: jester on November 14, 2009, 10:58:00 PM
QUOTE(vampep @ Nov 15 2009, 12:51 AM)
I have an xbox that was modded some months ago but hasn't been banned. Now the reason for that is because it red ringed....
Now is it possible to get the needed information to put on my banned modded console and not get banned?
1) Did you update to Summer 09 (84xx)?
2) Is it newer than a Xenon?
3) Do you have an unbanned xbox that meets the requirements of 1 & 2?
4) Do you have soldering skills, an understanding of how the filesystem works, and how to boot XeLL?
5) Do you know what a CPU key is?
If you answered yes to 1, and you don't already have your CPU key (which you probably don't), you are fucked.
If you answered yes to 2, you are fucked.
If you answered no to 3, you are fucked.
If you answered no to 4 or 5, you are definitely fucked.
Post by: vampep on November 15, 2009, 12:30:00 AM
O well i did go online with the unbanned one for like 2 hours before finding out that it was FW that they were finding and banning. Hopefully i didn't get banned so when the new LT comes out i'll be fine. I'm to scared to check to see if i'm banned lol
Post by: Ampliphied Maniac on November 15, 2009, 12:42:00 AM
I was ban 11/13/2009 for being a impatient dumbass and wanted to download modern warfare 2
so i could brag but it was a trap made by Activision that why they push for microsoft to do something
my advise to however underground gamer that this has a modified Xbox DO NOT DOWNLOAD GAME BEFORE IT COMES OUT even if you just play offline cause that what I did. I waited 2 days after it came out to go on online but i still got banned.
Also I dont know if yu know but microsoft instead banning your account they lock your hdd so that all your games saves are lost so 4 years of gaming data is gone.
I tried to Xplorer to extract and see if I could recover them but Xplorer says the hdd is empty but last week everything was fine.
Also the word from NElson ,the xbl producer, for every big release there are going to place a bait game torrent on the internet for underground gamers to fall for.
This million gamer ban streak was not by accident it was to lure like hungry never see the line on it.
MIcrosoft can monitor our progress as underground gamers through the internet but we have no way to
phatem whats coming for those who plan to remod their xboxs cause microsoft really has done little
to prevent us when they could come done on us with criminal charges.
DONT BE STUPID U ARE WARNED.
Post by: jester on November 15, 2009, 01:03:00 AM
QUOTE(Ampliphied Maniac @ Nov 15 2009, 02:42 AM)
it was a trap made by Activision that why they push for microsoft to do something
No it wasn't.
QUOTE(Ampliphied Maniac @ Nov 15 2009, 02:42 AM)
my advise to however underground gamer that this has a modified Xbox DO NOT DOWNLOAD GAME
BEFORE IT COMES OUT even if you just play offline cause that what I did. I waited 2 days after it came out to go on online but i still got banned.
You got banned because iXtreme firmware is detectable, period. You are dumb.
QUOTE(Ampliphied Maniac @ Nov 15 2009, 02:42 AM)
Also I dont know if yu know but microsoft instead banning your account they lock your hdd so that all your games saves are lost so 4 years of gaming data is gone.
It's extremely simple to remove the flag that makes it corrupted on other consoles. Data can be moved from your banned 360 to other 360s very easily.
QUOTE(Ampliphied Maniac @ Nov 15 2009, 02:42 AM)
Also the word from NElson ,the xbl producer, for every big release there are going to place a bait game torrent on the internet for underground gamers to fall for.
No, you are extremely misinformed.
QUOTE(Ampliphied Maniac @ Nov 15 2009, 02:42 AM)
This million gamer ban streak was not by accident it was to lure like hungry never see the line on it.
MIcrosoft can monitor our progress as underground gamers through the internet but we have no way to
phatem whats coming for those who plan to remod their xboxs cause microsoft really has done little
to prevent us when they could come done on us with criminal charges.
DONT BE STUPID U ARE WARNED.
I cannot express how wrong and stupid this last quote was.
Post by: vampep on November 15, 2009, 01:59:00 AM
Charges would only be done for those who sell the pirated games I would think but even that is to hard to say.
Post by: peapea24 on November 15, 2009, 02:35:00 AM
Post by: jester on November 15, 2009, 02:41:00 AM
QUOTE(peapea24 @ Nov 15 2009, 04:35 AM)
I have Zephyr which I already got cpu-key before I updated to 8955. And I have 1 Xenon with RROD and old dashboard. So, I read the tutorial somewhere when degraded to 1888, it have to use dgtool with infectus & add on. Do I need to do this step (Attack Hash) for downgraded 8955 to 1888?
Time attack does nothing with updated CB (84xx).
As far as running/updating 1888 on a Zephyr, I'm not sure. Try it and let us know.
The easier solution in most cases is to simply fix the RRoD xbox.
Post by: kozak1411 on November 15, 2009, 03:46:00 AM
QUOTE(Xoxide @ Nov 15 2009, 09:41 AM)
Time attack does nothing with updated CB (84xx).
As far as running/updating 1888 on a Zephyr, I'm not sure. Try it and let us know.
The easier solution in most cases is to simply fix the RRoD xbox.
Hi,
I am new here. I was reading about this MS banning campain. I just want to say that it is obvious that it is pure marketing movement. MS want to increase sales before christmas. They think after getting banned we will come back to game shop to get new console. Why would we do it. Personally I was using Xbox 360 becouse it is possible to flash it. Now I will get PS3. Almost same price, WiFi built in, no need to buy aditional accesories such us bettery, charger or anything. Which is more important no need to pay for playing online. Better graphics, you can install any hd and they will not ban you for that.
Microsoft want to play with us, lets play ...
Guys if you got banned don't buy new Xbox 360, get PS3. Maby it will make them think !
I am going to bay brand new PS3 today. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/muhaha.gif)
Post by: peapea24 on November 15, 2009, 03:49:00 AM
QUOTE(Xoxide @ Nov 15 2009, 04:41 PM)
Time attack does nothing with updated CB (84xx).
you mean that if CB 84xx and later can not be downgraded?
Post by: cory1492 on November 15, 2009, 07:22:00 AM
QUOTE(peapea24 @ Nov 15 2009, 03:49 AM)
QUOTE
Time attack does nothing with updated CB (84xx).
you mean that if CB 84xx and later can not be downgraded?
It means the code that the timing attack relied on is no longer present to do the timing attack.
QUOTE
As far as running/updating 1888 on a Zephyr, I'm not sure. Try it and let us know.
^ that is your answer.
Post by: Omikron199 on November 15, 2009, 11:23:00 PM
I have 3 consoles
2 are RROD and unbanned and were not updated for very long time.
The last is banned and have 8955 update.
The question is can I make a working nand dump from RROD boxes to banned one, using cpu key from unbanned console?
I just can't understand - what is cpu key doing? Why this key is so important and why people just can't make nand dump using other key and just flash it on banned console.
Can someone explain me please?
Post by: k0mpresd on November 15, 2009, 11:28:00 PM
Post by: sacsfin3st on November 16, 2009, 12:27:00 AM
Any help is appreciated, Sorry if this info is linked elsewhere..
Post by: Doctrine Dark on November 16, 2009, 02:41:00 AM
is this really work?maybe i give a shot today
i just need another xbox nand(could i find it on torrents?
)
Post by: Xoxide on November 16, 2009, 11:27:00 AM
QUOTE(sacsfin3st @ Nov 16 2009, 02:27 AM) 
I have a console w/ the 2.0.7371.0 dashboard... what else do I need to find out to see if I can retrieve my KV info ?
Any help is appreciated, Sorry if this info is linked elsewhere..
QUOTE(Doctrine Dark @ Nov 16 2009, 04:41 AM)
is this really work?maybe i give a shot today
i just need another xbox nand(could i find it on torrents?
)http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=696317
Unless both of you already have your CPU key from the banned xbox, you are fucked. If you don't understand what I mean by that, you are definitely fucked.
I wish this thread was never posted.
Post by: songoku119 on November 16, 2009, 01:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Xoxide @ Nov 16 2009, 02:27 PM)
LoL I feel you Xoxide. I have been following discussions like this since the first bannings started, and I wish I had backed up my nand stuff before I updated, but at the time there was no hack for the 512mb nand jaspers... oh well. I got an xbox under the bed that had an old hitachi i burned out that i lost the dvd drive key to (back in the days when our flashing "tools" was a paperclip as a jumper), and another RRoD box. Match made in heaven? we'll see. Actually, I saw some back and forth on it, but I really didn't see a definitive answer. Can you or can you not read the nand off a RRoD box?
Post by: The Juggler on November 16, 2009, 02:40:00 PM
QUOTE(Xoxide @ Nov 14 2009, 10:19 AM)
And they ask you why you are returning it. If you tell them it doesn't work, they will mark it as defective and send it to M$.
In case you didn't notice most places also scan the serial number of the Xbox itself as you purchase it. This info is on the reciept. At least I know that is the case with Best Buy. (That's why there is a hole in the box showing the serial numbers!)
Although my friend recently purchased the Walmart $100 Arcade console. He got 'lucky' because someone had returned it later that week and they were still doing the $100 gift cards. I had him check the serials and they matched the box. However the warranty sticker was not placed correctly and the holes on the back appeared tampered with. Looks like someone swapped the insides.
(turns out when he hooked it up it had the RROD too)
Post by: Xoxide on November 16, 2009, 04:26:00 PM
QUOTE(songoku119 @ Nov 16 2009, 03:08 PM)
Can you or can you not read the nand off a RRoD box?
You can, the xbox does not need to be turned on to read the NAND, just have the power cord plugged in.
QUOTE(The Juggler @ Nov 16 2009, 04:40 PM)
In case you didn't notice most places also scan the serial number of the Xbox itself as you purchase it. This info is on the reciept. At least I know that is the case with Best Buy. (That's why there is a hole in the box showing the serial numbers!)
... yes that is the whole point of a case swap my friend. Serial stays the same.
QUOTE(The Juggler @ Nov 16 2009, 04:40 PM)
Although my friend recently purchased the Walmart $100 Arcade console. He got 'lucky' because someone had returned it later that week and they were still doing the $100 gift cards. I had him check the serials and they matched the box. However the warranty sticker was not placed correctly and the holes on the back appeared tampered with. Looks like someone swapped the insides.
(turns out when he hooked it up it had the RROD too)
They brought it back and did not specify that it was defective. It is up to the scammer to tell them to send it back to M$.
Post by: Doctrine Dark on November 16, 2009, 04:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Xoxide @ Nov 16 2009, 04:27 PM)
[Click]
Unless both of you already have your CPU key from the banned xbox, you are fucked. If you don't understand what I mean by that, you are definitely fucked.
I wish this thread was never posted.
OSHI-
Post by: SmegPlaza on November 17, 2009, 09:03:00 AM
But isn't it immaterial ? Cos as soon as you take your now unbanned XBox back on line, won't M$ use the same method they used before to detect your updated firmware or mod-chip and immediately ban you again ?
Or do I have the wrong end of the stick (again) ?
Smeg
Post by: The Dude Z on November 17, 2009, 05:45:00 PM
I also have a Jasper with the nand dump and cpu key for it.
Can I take the KV and patch it to the jasper somehow ?
I have read conflicting information on this because of falcon and up having a key vault hash check or something.
Post by: k0mpresd on November 17, 2009, 05:50:00 PM
QUOTE(The Dude Z @ Nov 17 2009, 07:45 PM)
Ok so lets say I have a few old Xenon's that are RROD junk boxes and I have nand dumps and the cpu keys for them.
I also have a Jasper with the nand dump and cpu key for it.
Can I take the KV and patch it to the jasper somehow ?
I have read conflicting information on this because of falcon and up having a key vault hash check or something.
i believe so. the hash check is for the keyvault itself. you cant edit the keyvault internally. but i would assume you can patch a whole new vault and be ok. since the vault itself is not edited.
someone correct me please if im wrong.
Post by: Xoxide on November 17, 2009, 05:51:00 PM
QUOTE(The Dude Z @ Nov 17 2009, 07:45 PM)
Ok so lets say I have a few old Xenon's that are RROD junk boxes and I have nand dumps and the cpu keys for them.
I also have a Jasper with the nand dump and cpu key for it.
Can I take the KV and patch it to the jasper somehow ?
I have read conflicting information on this because of falcon and up having a key vault hash check or something.
No you can't. You heard correctly.
Post by: nilezon on November 20, 2009, 03:22:00 PM
QUOTE(Xoxide @ Nov 18 2009, 01:51 AM)
No you can't. You heard correctly.
If it was the other way around then,
patch a Xenon with a KV from a Falcon or Jasper?
As I understand it, this would be possible, but the question is:
Would the Xenon be detected (because of the cross motherboard type KV patch) and XBL banned pretty soon anyway?
Post by: Slateboard on November 27, 2009, 02:29:00 PM
Post by: XEO on December 15, 2009, 07:47:00 AM
Will downgrade dash from 8955 to 1888 work? Or this will break my 360?
and i have a question: how i can obtain cpu key from dash 8955? Or only from Xell?
Post by: blueray on December 16, 2009, 12:17:00 AM
QUOTE(XEO @ Dec 15 2009, 03:47 PM)
People!
Will downgrade dash from 8955 to 1888 work? Or this will break my 360?
and i have a question: how i can obtain cpu key from dash 8955? Or only from Xell?
Are you serious? Did you read something about xell, jtag or summerupdate? Nothing will work for you. You cannot get your cpu key and there is no way to downgrade.
Post by: Colorado880 on January 06, 2010, 08:31:00 PM
QUOTE(k0mpresd @ Nov 8 2009, 09:58 PM)
[edit XanTium: more info about this hack: http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=696317 ]
what you need:
your 8955 live console + cpu key
a 2nd unbanned console
nandpro b + flash cable
xell loader
degraded
1888 fs
robinsod's flashtool
How long can u stay on live with a jtagged xbox?
Post by: TBAYJ on January 06, 2010, 09:15:00 PM
Post by: Choochoo on January 07, 2010, 12:39:00 PM
QUOTE(TBAYJ @ Jan 7 2010, 05:15 AM)
few mins maybe
incorrect, tons of people are playing mw2 with jtagged xbox's and they are lasting for days without being banned, and i'm talking 8-10 hours a day playing.
even running MODDED games.
having modded firmware on your dvd drive is what insta bans you, they are a bit slower on jtags
Post by: scttyb69 on January 15, 2010, 07:41:00 PM
Did I get scammed?
From what I have read, I need the full dump and cpu key also.
Post by: aaronaces on January 15, 2010, 11:15:00 PM
never played it, just put it in.. offline mind you.. it isn't even in my recent games etc.. but yeah. banned.
that or my console was banned just now when i tried to play an original xbox game i backed up for my 360.
i backed up starwars battlefront 2, and the xbox read it correctly, but as i needed the backwards compatitble update i tried to sign into live and it said i was banned
so first question, could it have been either of those? or is it definitely the MW2 backup that got me banned.
but my main question is, aswell as my PAL360, i have an old NTSC-J 360 that has never been modded at all, nor played for a long time.
from what i gather here, that console could be my key to getting my PAL360 that is modded, unbanned....
is this correct?
and then, would i just avoid playing MW2 on my PAL360 until i get newer firmware to avoid a ban.
Regards,
Aaron.
Post by: unv_annihilator on January 18, 2010, 07:38:00 PM
Also, is it legal to buy KVs and if so then where would I be able to buy one?
Thanks in advance,
Annihilator
Post by: YoungGeekGuy on January 18, 2010, 10:36:00 PM
Post by: uk_dan2k on January 19, 2010, 10:22:00 AM
QUOTE(YoungGeekGuy @ Jan 19 2010, 03:36 AM)
I know a couple people here are selling unbanned key vaults in the B/S/T
quick question the people who sell unbanned key vaults, how do you know that they get rid of the keys after, so they dont sell the same keys to more than one person, because of if 2 log on xbl with the same keys another ban on the way.
Also does anyone know if xboxs with the 3 r.l.o.d. can have they're nands extracted still even if they wont boot but stay powered on. Just thinking because there's a load of them on ebay, might be able get a cheap bargin if you can do it that way.
Post by: unv_annihilator on January 19, 2010, 03:17:00 PM
Post by: braza on January 23, 2010, 12:14:00 PM
Today i try to insert KEYVALT type 2 on my FALCOn and get 2 Green and 2 Red lights flashing!
I confirm THIIS ONLY WORK´S on XENON !
Zephir and falcom and jasper have hash protection inside CPU !
My test:
1921 CB (zephir) keyvalt moded and dash 4232 and 4248 BOOT FINE:
1921 CB (zephir) keyvalt moded and dash 4552 WONT BOOT !!!!!!!!!
The dash 4552 verifiq new has inside CPU or other !
I belive the new hash is inside of CPU ..
XENON boards LOADS any DASH with keyvalt MODED.. ZEPHIR not!
Post by: EluZioN on January 29, 2010, 09:30:00 PM
QUOTE(uk_dan2k @ Jan 19 2010, 09:22 AM)
quick question the people who sell unbanned key vaults, how do you know that they get rid of the keys after, so they dont sell the same keys to more than one person, because of if 2 log on xbl with the same keys another ban on the way.
Also does anyone know if xboxs with the 3 r.l.o.d. can have they're nands extracted still even if they wont boot but stay powered on. Just thinking because there's a load of them on ebay, might be able get a cheap bargin if you can do it that way.
I have done half-a-dozen dumps from Xenons and Zephyrs with 3RROD's. I'd guess if the board has standby power to know if you press the power button, it would have power to read the nand. Maybe someone with more knowledge can offer some inout, but I have had no problem doing this.
Reagrds,
EluZioN
Post by: johnr283 on August 08, 2010, 10:40:00 AM
Post by: acaballerob on October 01, 2010, 01:29:00 PM
- Does it work with jasper boards with 9199 dashboards?
- Changing the cpu key from the banned console also changes the dvd key, rigth? So I'll have to change the drive key too.