Post by: Xbox-Scene on August 11, 2009, 11:41:00 AM
Free60: Dangerous Xbox360 Update Killing to-be released Homebrew Hack Posted by XanTium | August 11 13:41 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
| We received this news from Felix Domke and Michael Steil at the Free60 Project: Quote
Official Site: http://www.free60.org |
Post by: psxpirate1 on August 11, 2009, 11:50:00 AM
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Post by: GARRYB on August 11, 2009, 11:53:00 AM
forgot to say this will bring hell for m$ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/muhaha.gif)
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Post by: WOlfSaviorZX on August 11, 2009, 11:54:00 AM
Post by: thegardner on August 11, 2009, 11:54:00 AM
Post by: zainday on August 11, 2009, 12:05:00 PM
Post by: K1LLERHORNET on August 11, 2009, 12:05:00 PM
Srry, but i have opted for Live rather than the upcoming of Homebrew hack.
I suppose if you have more than one 360, you can leave one unmodded - but i'm sure not a lot of us are in that situation.
Hopefully we'll see this hack down the line for all 360 console, even ones with the latest kernal - but i doubt it'll happen.; the 360 is way too locked down.
Post by: condor1334 on August 11, 2009, 12:06:00 PM
Post by: WOlfSaviorZX on August 11, 2009, 12:11:00 PM
QUOTE(condor1334 @ Aug 11 2009, 01:06 PM) 
the update won't affect the moded drive firmware though from what i was reading. so if i update my moded one it should be ok as long as i don't expect to ever use homebrew, right??
yeah you should be fine just doesn't mean your safe, never no what else M$ hides in the trunk
Also I'm afraid if M$ gets mad about this home brew stuff and starts coming after every one. Especially in the US where new legislation is making it damn easy for them come after us. I hate how we always get lied to by our politicians.
Post by: leorimolo on August 11, 2009, 12:13:00 PM
Post by: sabbath_dude on August 11, 2009, 12:13:00 PM
. Too bad I already updated. Still, there are tons of non updated consoles around. Everything currently on store shelves should be exploitable.
Post by: LiGhTfasT on August 11, 2009, 12:17:00 PM
Post by: Bassie Von Adriaan on August 11, 2009, 12:20:00 PM
Other then that, good news and good job!!!
Post by: Jhonnyyoyo on August 11, 2009, 12:23:00 PM
Post by: FrostyTheSnowman on August 11, 2009, 12:25:00 PM
I wonder how said exploit will work... it must be a bootloader-related hack, perhaps a replacement BIOS that takes advantage of a hole in the bootloader?
Maybe something like this:
1. Buy Cygnos360 v2
2. Find super-awesome bootloader-exploiting custom BIOS
3. Use Cygnos360 v2 to find all necessary CPU keys, etc. and apply them to the super-awesome bootloader-exploiting custom BIOS
4. Flash the super-awesome bootloader-exploiting custom BIOS on to the Cygnos360 v2 NAND chip
4. Run XBMC and happy days are had by all! (emulators too)
One can only wonder until it's actually released...
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Post by: theevilhacker63 on August 11, 2009, 12:34:00 PM
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Post by: thegardner on August 11, 2009, 12:41:00 PM
QUOTE(theevilhacker63 @ Aug 11 2009, 06:34 PM)
the question remains... will this work on hdmi consoles? if not then I should go ahead and update.. if it does then I'm damn glad I haven't updated my console.. not to mention I was accepted into the beta... so does anyone know if it will.. they left that out so one can only guess if it does or not.
should be fine,just bought another 1 now cant wait for the release
Post by: moreniu on August 11, 2009, 12:49:00 PM
QUOTE(theevilhacker63 @ Aug 11 2009, 07:34 PM)
the question remains... will this work on hdmi consoles? if not then I should go ahead and update.. if it does then I'm damn glad I haven't updated my console.. not to mention I was accepted into the beta... so does anyone know if it will.. they left that out so one can only guess if it does or not.
Thats the big question, even if it takes few weeks to months to get it fully working, it must work on HDMI consoles, otherwise the vast mayority of 360 users will be very disapointed.
I don't really remember these dudes from xbox 1, but well, lets wait and see if they keep their words and release something big.
Post by: tech3475 on August 11, 2009, 12:49:00 PM
Post by: xcalixxryderx on August 11, 2009, 12:51:00 PM
Post by: Jhonnyyoyo on August 11, 2009, 12:54:00 PM
Post by: theevilhacker63 on August 11, 2009, 01:01:00 PM
I sure do hope this is for non-hdmi and hdmi consoles if not it's about as useful as the news from the other day about the modchip being released..
yeah sure any update on the homebrew scene is good news but if it doesn't work for everyone then it's nothing to get excited about. hopefully this changes stuff for the better..
Post by: leorimolo on August 11, 2009, 01:05:00 PM
QUOTE
We kept on working on this idea, and it worked out. pretty well. We use JTAG to program the DMA target addr, and then SMC to trigger the DMA read. The exploit itself is based on the old 4532 exploit.
The magic is how we launch 4532 - there is a "backdoor" for manufacturing since CB 1920. We have been able to restore the newer CD versions for all hardware types.
This means:
- We can boot own code in HV context ~5s after boot, before any video output, right after the kernel runs.
- we need to reflash the flash, and add 3 resistors for the JTAG (no modchip required! but you might want a dual-nand modchip),
- 8498 kills this by updating the bootloader - it blacklists 4532/4548. it also does hw init stuff which might interefere with the jtag hack, we don't know yet.
- we have a proof of concept hack, we will release it SOON (a matter of hours/days, not more - promised.).
- DON'T UPDATE to summer 09. Did i already say this?
- you don't need to know your cpu key. You can update to all BUT summer '09. you don't need a dvdrom.
- It works on all xenon, zephyr, falcon, opus, jasper. Unless you have updated to 849x. Then you're screwed.
Shit its true and im actually really happy.
Post by: DevilDave on August 11, 2009, 01:06:00 PM
Aaaw, guess I've gotta buy a new one them...
Anyway, GREAT that homebrew is finally coming! been waiting for years:p
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Post by: Jhonnyyoyo on August 11, 2009, 01:07:00 PM
or just 98
Post by: Darknior on August 11, 2009, 01:10:00 PM
I'm very happy to know my dream will come
Playing emulators on 360, using XBMC, ....
Fantastic !!!!
Not update the x360 now lol
Post by: thethinker360 on August 11, 2009, 01:11:00 PM
ONLY IF YOU HAVE YOUR CPU KEY YOU CAN SAVE YOUR BOX!!!!
Post by: sabbath_dude on August 11, 2009, 01:16:00 PM
QUOTE
- you don't need to know your cpu key. You can update to all BUT summer '09. you don't need a dvdrom.
Sounds good to me. I've got an old (and currently useless) 360 sitting in my cupboard which lost it's DVD key a long time ago.
Post by: Vejita on August 11, 2009, 01:25:00 PM
Glad I didn't update!
Post by: FoxRacR17 on August 11, 2009, 01:31:00 PM
Post by: leorimolo on August 11, 2009, 01:34:00 PM
QUOTE(FoxRacR17 @ Aug 11 2009, 01:31 PM) 
so after we apply this hack that is going to be released would we then be able to update to the summer 09 update? Or would that overwrite this hack? Just wondering if i'm going to need to go out and buy another console to run homebrew, and keep the one I have now for live.
Summer 09 completely blocked the update, basically the cheapest way atm to get hombrew is to get a no dvd key motherboard. Any non updated console works, including all the ones in stores atm.
Post by: Vejita on August 11, 2009, 01:37:00 PM
Is it not possible to have an exploited Xbox 360 that you can run Linux/Homebrew on and also run games but without a mod?
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Post by: thethinker360 on August 11, 2009, 01:42:00 PM
now a dual nand comes handy.... yeah
Post by: moreniu on August 11, 2009, 01:43:00 PM
QUOTE(Vejita @ Aug 11 2009, 08:37 PM)
So, this new Free60 exploit doesn't require a mod and they state that the console boots into Linux straightaway.
Is it not possible to have an exploited Xbox 360 that you can run Linux/Homebrew on and also run games but without a mod?
After the comunity get its hands on a working and unlocked xbox 360 then getting the updates to be moded and installed just like the CFW for psp and wii is just the next step.
Post by: Vejita on August 11, 2009, 01:45:00 PM
QUOTE(moreniu @ Aug 11 2009, 06:43 PM)
After the comunity get its hands on a working and unlocked xbox 360 then getting the updates to be moded and installed just like the CFW for psp and wii is just the next step.
Yeah I suppose. I wouldn't want to do without NXE and HDD game installs just for homebrew though getting another 360 is an option if we don't get custom firmware like PSP/Wii.
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Post by: elitegamer360 on August 11, 2009, 01:48:00 PM
Post by: Ninjaman on August 11, 2009, 01:55:00 PM
Post by: Reaper527 on August 11, 2009, 01:59:00 PM
QUOTE
- you don't need to know your cpu key. You can update to all BUT summer '09. you don't need a dvdrom.
this is huge news. that solves the catch 22 of "i can extract the dvd key from the motherboard, but i need a working dvd drive to do it".
i can't believe what i'm reading right now. this is excellent work everyone.
---edit---
tmbinc confirmed that this exploit can be used to recover the drive key.
QUOTE
- It's possible to recover DVD keys. In fact, no DVD-ROM is required to run the hack, so it's possible to run own code, dump cpu key, decrypt HV, inject key, flash back. Note that I personally don't like games, so I won't be of much help here.
- No, even if you know your CPU key, it's not possible to downgrade back from 8498.
- Right now, the only way to support both gaming and hacking would be a dual-nand modchip, which switches between nand contents. Note that you still couldn't update to 8498, as it likely (haven't tried) doesn't run without R6T3.
From a technical perspective, I want to stress that this is not "yet another bug" - it's THE SAME bug we used 2 years ago. It's just that we changed the way how we write to memory, and that allows for the new cool features.
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Post by: EZYESS57 on August 11, 2009, 02:12:00 PM
QUOTE(Ninjaman @ Aug 11 2009, 02:55 PM)
Has there been any problems with the update for those who have their console modded?
I have a flashed dvd drive and I got in on the preview program and haven't had any issues. 360 homebrew is awesome news. I can't wait to install a 500 gb hdd onto my 360!!!!!
Post by: Bubbasparxxxv69 on August 11, 2009, 02:23:00 PM
QUOTE(Ninjaman @ Aug 11 2009, 08:55 PM)
Has there been any problems with the update for those who have their console modded?
my friends box who is running ixtreme 1.6 on a liteon v1 with a jasper board attempted to update his box and the update failed, his xbox is now a brick. I think the dvd firmware, but the sad fact is that his xbox is bricked. What he described to me was his update was downloading, the xbox then told him the update had failed, then his screen went blank and he got 3 red rings (top left, bottom left, and bottom right). He then turned the box off, and after that it wouldn't turn on.
Post by: FrostyTheSnowman on August 11, 2009, 02:25:00 PM
QUOTE(FoxRacR17 @ Aug 11 2009, 01:31 PM)
so after we apply this hack that is going to be released would we then be able to update to the summer 09 update? Or would that overwrite this hack? Just wondering if i'm going to need to go out and buy another console to run homebrew, and keep the one I have now for live.
You are most likely going to need to purchase a second 360 for homebrew.
Just like the original XBOX days, you won't be able to have Live and homebrew on the same machine.
I'm not 100% on this, but it is VERY likely.
Post by: FoxRacR17 on August 11, 2009, 02:26:00 PM
QUOTE(leorimolo @ Aug 11 2009, 08:34 PM)
Summer 09 completely blocked the update, basically the cheapest way atm to get hombrew is to get a no dvd key motherboard. Any non updated console works, including all the ones in stores atm.
thanks for taking the time to reply but you misunderstood.I have yet to update my elite system with the summer 09 update. i have not been following the 360 scene but im wondering if i wait until this hack comes out and apply it to my 360 first, then will i be able to install the summer 09 update and play on live with my elite? or will the summer 09 update undo whatever this hack does?
Post by: tech3475 on August 11, 2009, 02:38:00 PM
Post by: thethinker360 on August 11, 2009, 02:45:00 PM
this means MS is basically fucked if you dont update now. so DONT!
Post by: stevenalvarado on August 11, 2009, 02:50:00 PM
QUOTE
Although there have been numerous software updates for Microsoft's gaming console in the past, this is the first one to overwrite the vital boot block
so... dont do like me and dont update if you want to run some code (only linux?) or .xex´s as well. ?
edit:
or .xbe´s as well?
who knows?
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Post by: micl432 on August 11, 2009, 02:54:00 PM
Post by: somenutter on August 11, 2009, 03:00:00 PM
its too late for 90% of users because i was in the preview and didnt get told about this and also
they new about this for a while so why wait till today to tell us ? ?? what a load of shit
free60 ? lol more like microsoft getting rid of there old xboxs off the shelves
Post by: sanni on August 11, 2009, 03:15:00 PM
Post by: drkoolbeanz on August 11, 2009, 03:21:00 PM
POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!
Post by: somenutter on August 11, 2009, 03:24:00 PM
QUOTE(drkoolbeanz @ Aug 11 2009, 10:21 PM)
You can't really blame Felix and Michael for there timing guys. It's not like M$ advertised what was going to be in the new update, at least not to this level. Nobody could have known until it's release. When drawn into perspective this was a very quick response. It's going to save alot of people missing out on an excellent opportunity still. Even if you did already update, it give you good leeway to save up and get another 360, even a brand new one if you wanted. I'm going to hold off on the update myself, but only for a bit because my cables shut off.
POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!
you can blame them ive got one good reason
they knew they had a hack nearly ready before the update was out why not warn us and tell us to wait till they looked at the update and what it does ?
Post by: ZakMcRofl on August 11, 2009, 03:26:00 PM
QUOTE(somenutter @ Aug 11 2009, 11:00 PM)
this is bollocks
its too late for 90% of users because i was in the preview and didnt get told about this and also
they new about this for a while so why wait till today to tell us ? ?? what a load of shit
free60 ? lol more like microsoft getting rid of there old xboxs off the shelves
LOL what?
Its too late for 90% of the users because _you_ were in the preview?
Anyone remotely caring about security will not apply updates until they are checked for Live changes. Anyone caring about homebrew should not update at all since hacks are usually more likely to be in old, unpatched software revisions (see PSP).
I'd say 90% will be fine and 10% are retards who update on the first day - you should have known better.
Post by: tech3475 on August 11, 2009, 03:27:00 PM
QUOTE(somenutter @ Aug 11 2009, 10:24 PM)
you can blame them ive got one good reason
they knew they had a hack nearly ready before the update was out why not warn us and tell us to wait till they looked at the update and what it does ?
I agree. Any potential exploits should be announced just before an update is released.
Post by: drkoolbeanz on August 11, 2009, 03:28:00 PM
QUOTE(somenutter @ Aug 11 2009, 02:24 PM)
you can blame them ive got one good reason
they knew they had a hack nearly ready before the update was out why not warn us and tell us to wait till they looked at the update and what it does ?
We don't even know how close they really are to releasing anything cool yet. Don't get your panties in a .wad! We're still waiting for bootmii and it's been over a year or two since they've started that project.
Post by: pezjono1986 on August 11, 2009, 03:28:00 PM
Post by: Halcyon-X12 on August 11, 2009, 03:28:00 PM
Post by: DMAddict on August 11, 2009, 03:34:00 PM
QUOTE
without the need of a modchip, finally opening up the Xbox 360 to a level of hacking as the original Xbox.
Doubtful, but crosses fingers anyway.
Post by: penguin318 on August 11, 2009, 03:37:00 PM
QUOTE(drkoolbeanz @ Aug 11 2009, 10:28 PM)
We're still waiting for bootmii
no we are not, its been out for a LONG time
Post by: drkoolbeanz on August 11, 2009, 03:39:00 PM
QUOTE(moreniu @ Aug 11 2009, 11:49 AM)
I don't really remember these dudes from xbox 1, but well, lets wait and see if they keep their words and release something big.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxjpmc8ZIxM
Post by: moreniu on August 11, 2009, 03:41:00 PM
Well, the need of an external hardware to allow you to choose what way you wanna boot is kinda bad, but its about the same as it was on the xbox1, so, again, unless the homebrow access is something that will fully allow us to run from emulators to XMC on our 360,s, and lets wonder, run games from the HDD and or from external HDDs / USB Discs... Unless it is that complete, it might be a bit frustating to wait for something not so solid.
Post by: deilzfcjk on August 11, 2009, 03:42:00 PM
Post by: phistyle on August 11, 2009, 03:50:00 PM
Post by: MFD on August 11, 2009, 03:50:00 PM
However, I thought that the 1bl was stored inside the CPU in ROM (not flash)? As such, how can they (MS) do a remote update? Or is my information incorrect?
Post by: ZakMcRofl on August 11, 2009, 03:52:00 PM
The hackers had a simple choice:
A) announce the hack before the update is out and risk showing their cards to MS (remember they couldn't know that MS already knew about it
OR
B) Wait and see if MS fixes the issue and THEN warn as quickly as possible.
If MS doesn't fix, they can happily perfect it (and maybe find a way to get CPU key via this method) and then release it.
To me, B) is the obviously better choice. Besides, anyone who cares about Live security and/or homebrew will always hold off updating for at least a few days. It's not their fault that you're addicted to updates ;)
Finally to everyone saying that "homebrew on 360 sucks" or "I'd rather play live". You're not getting the bigger picture here. They already stated that it will most likely allow us to get the CPU key which is required for downgrading, region changing and DVD key extraction.
Even if you never plan on using emulators or apps like XBMC on your 360, this is a VERY important bit of information about your 360. Down the road, it may allow booting games from HDD, loading the Live Kernel via Software (think Xbox1 softmods), turning the 360 into a full blown PC, allowing bigger harddisks then 120GB and so on.
DO NOT UPDATE, WAIT A FEW DAYS UNTIL WE KNOW MORE.
@somenutter: i estimated 90% would be fine because many people don't even play online and of those who do, not all are addicted enough to play every day. And the clever scene members always wait at least until the update has been confirmed to be save in regards to firmware mods.
I understand you're bitter but it really is nobody else's fault but yours.
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Post by: LockmanSal on August 11, 2009, 03:53:00 PM
Post by: MFD on August 11, 2009, 03:54:00 PM
QUOTE(phistyle @ Aug 11 2009, 02:50 PM)
too little too late...this would of been good like a year or 2 ago but I really don't see this as going that big anytime soon...homebrew? you might as well build a cheap computer and run all the linux or emulators u want and all the media you throw at it...pc components are hella cheap right now....
I think the biggest thing I see as being a possibility is the ability of installing games to the hard-drive (which could be a large, non-MS hard-drive) and being able to run them from the hard-drive without putting the original (or backup) into the DVD drive. I see that as being very handy.
As for using the 360 for what would ordinarily be considered home-brew, I agree - PC's are generally more accessible and more powerful these days.
But I sure would love to have a cheap 1TB drive slapped onto my 360 with the ability to boot all my games directly from NXE without ever having to put the original in the DVD drive again. That would be nice.
Who knows if things will ever progress that far, but I can dream.
Post by: Heet on August 11, 2009, 04:10:00 PM
Owell off to go get a hd xbmc jasper lol. Oh the emu possibilities.
Thanks to all the genius that is making this possible!
All my 360 games on the hard drive? Yes please
Post by: scottmuller28 on August 11, 2009, 04:14:00 PM
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Post by: Vejita on August 11, 2009, 04:21:00 PM
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Post by: Mhawk134 on August 11, 2009, 04:26:00 PM
Hawk
Post by: rolly poly on August 11, 2009, 04:27:00 PM
they released info as they saw fit, as is their right for putting in the effort. hell they didn't have to say a word to anyone until it was ready to go. they were doing everyone a favor, don't blame them for your actions.
so you updated already... suck it up and buy a new 360.
it's not like hacked kernels would be available from day one, or that most of you would have what you need on hand.
to me giving up something i've already paid for is not worth the *possibility* of having an exploit next week, and then waiting for someone else to hack a kernel to give us what we want.
looks like i might need to dust off my halo3 edition soon...
Post by: weinerschnitzel on August 11, 2009, 04:31:00 PM
If they announced what they were working on earlier on you can only imagine where it would go. Millions of people would be on their case on when its going to be released and how it works, yada yada. Also an early announcement will give a brighter light that M$ will notice and sabotage the vulnerability before it comes any closer to completion.
Furthermore, free60 would have to test out everything newer on top of developing a stable fool proof hack. Give them a break.
For those bitter about updating, wait and see if a solution comes up. I'm sure one will.
Post by: scottmuller28 on August 11, 2009, 04:35:00 PM
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Post by: somenutter on August 11, 2009, 04:44:00 PM
the hackers that have a way of booting into linux or whatever didnt have to say how they are doing it, or how they are going to do it they could of just said wait! we might have something very soon so wait and see for a while, or if you dont wanna wait go ahead and play on live
anyone think thats to much to ask ?
im not going to buy another xbox for this because ive got a popcorn hour so i dont need xbmc enough to worry,
but it would of been nice to have been warned
QUOTE(scottmuller28 @ Aug 11 2009, 11:35 PM)
I had a a inquiry 2 days ago of people playing zombie mode on cod4 and he claimed that this person on live was using cheats. He claimed that he could not kill the person or the dogs and he could super jump. The guy asked was this possible as they were bragging on live that they had a modded xbox. I told him that it was not possible. But now it makes sense. No wonder they brought out a update to block it. They have seen people cheating on live. So is it possible to use cheats on Live. I haven't played zombie mode on live and dont know if invincibility is part of the game.
cod 4 doesnt have zombies its cod waw that has zombies
and as far as im aware the cheats for cod 4 and cod waw are done via the hdd and by changing your profile
Post by: brokentwice on August 11, 2009, 04:44:00 PM
IT was Fun to use when Someone had the hacks on in a zombie match cause THey had god mode and noclip and were able to bring you back Each time you died hah
But thats been patched now. IT had to do with hexing Strings On your Profile off your hard drive. And For sure would get you banned from what I heard.
As Far as For this.. i think that after all this time we are Starting to see people Get into the system. Which is a great thing. I dont think that They blocked The exploit Forever though. Being as Since There will be many people that will not update They will probably be able to find more exploits now since they will be in with Full control over the system Which means they Can Test Alot more things out Maybe Even an Exploit that Would enable them to perform The Hack via Software (kind Of like splinter cell exploit on the first xbox?).
I might be Wrong here but I mean If they are IN that means they will now have more power of searching for more exploits since the hyperviser would no longer be a problem for them ?
I guess im just thinking ahead.. I mean we def Have more time to buy one from the stores before they Update them right ?
and Also this with the fact of a new Lite on version being released.. I think that maybe the people behind this exploit should Look deeper into if MS has some new "mod" Detecting in place ...
just a few thoughts.
Post by: Xoxide on August 11, 2009, 04:44:00 PM
QUOTE
So, some quick news:
We kept on working on this idea, and it worked out. pretty well. We use JTAG to program the DMA target addr, and then SMC to trigger the DMA read. The exploit itself is based on the old 4532 exploit.
The magic is how we launch 4532 - there is a "backdoor" for manufacturing since CB 1920. We have been able to restore the newer CD versions for all hardware types.
This means:
- We can boot own code in HV context ~5s after boot, before any video output, right after the kernel runs.
- we need to reflash the flash, and add 3 resistors for the JTAG (no modchip required! but you might want a dual-nand modchip),
- 8498 kills this by updating the bootloader - it blacklists 4532/4548. it also does hw init stuff which might interefere with the jtag hack, we don't know yet.
- we have a proof of concept hack, we will release it SOON (a matter of hours/days, not more - promised.).
- DON'T UPDATE to summer 09. Did i already say this?
- you don't need to know your cpu key. You can update to all BUT summer '09. you don't need a dvdrom.
- It works on all xenon, zephyr, falcon, opus, jasper. Unless you have updated to 849x. Then you're screwed.
- It's possible to recover DVD keys. In fact, no DVD-ROM is required to run the hack, so it's possible to run own code, dump cpu key, decrypt HV, inject key, flash back. Note that I personally don't like games, so I won't be of much help here.
- No, even if you know your CPU key, it's not possible to downgrade back from 8498.
- Right now, the only way to support both gaming and hacking would be a dual-nand modchip, which switches between nand contents. Note that you still couldn't update to 8498, as it likely (haven't tried) doesn't run without R6T3.
We kept on working on this idea, and it worked out. pretty well. We use JTAG to program the DMA target addr, and then SMC to trigger the DMA read. The exploit itself is based on the old 4532 exploit.
The magic is how we launch 4532 - there is a "backdoor" for manufacturing since CB 1920. We have been able to restore the newer CD versions for all hardware types.
This means:
- We can boot own code in HV context ~5s after boot, before any video output, right after the kernel runs.
- we need to reflash the flash, and add 3 resistors for the JTAG (no modchip required! but you might want a dual-nand modchip),
- 8498 kills this by updating the bootloader - it blacklists 4532/4548. it also does hw init stuff which might interefere with the jtag hack, we don't know yet.
- we have a proof of concept hack, we will release it SOON (a matter of hours/days, not more - promised.).
- DON'T UPDATE to summer 09. Did i already say this?
- you don't need to know your cpu key. You can update to all BUT summer '09. you don't need a dvdrom.
- It works on all xenon, zephyr, falcon, opus, jasper. Unless you have updated to 849x. Then you're screwed.
- It's possible to recover DVD keys. In fact, no DVD-ROM is required to run the hack, so it's possible to run own code, dump cpu key, decrypt HV, inject key, flash back. Note that I personally don't like games, so I won't be of much help here.
- No, even if you know your CPU key, it's not possible to downgrade back from 8498.
- Right now, the only way to support both gaming and hacking would be a dual-nand modchip, which switches between nand contents. Note that you still couldn't update to 8498, as it likely (haven't tried) doesn't run without R6T3.
Does this allow for the possibility of being used with a Cygnos? Since it makes changes to the bootloader, would you not be able to switch between Summer Update and the vulnerable NXE?
Post by: pholly on August 11, 2009, 04:47:00 PM
QUOTE(phistyle @ Aug 11 2009, 10:50 PM)
too little too late...this would of been good like a year or 2 ago but I really don't see this as going that big anytime soon...homebrew? you might as well build a cheap computer and run all the linux or emulators u want and all the media you throw at it...pc components are hella cheap right now....
It has nothing to do with homebrew, these people just want an easy way to pirate games. It's not good enough for them to be able to burn "backups" to discs and play with a hacked firmware they want to play games for free off of the hdd without even needing to buy even blank media. There's nothing a 360 can do a PC can't do better, just go buy a video card with HDMI output if you want to play emulators and watch stolen movies on your TV.
Post by: MFD on August 11, 2009, 04:55:00 PM
QUOTE(pholly @ Aug 11 2009, 03:47 PM)
It has nothing to do with homebrew, these people just want an easy way to pirate games. It's not good enough for them to be able to burn "backups" to discs and play with a hacked firmware they want to play games for free off of the hdd without even needing to buy even blank media. There's nothing a 360 can do a PC can't do better, just go buy a video card with HDMI output if you want to play emulators and watch stolen movies on your TV.
Actually, for me, it is more a matter of convenience - granted it doesn't take much effort, but it is kindof a nuissance to have to get up and put the actual disc in the drive (whether you own it or not).
Right now, the entire concept of loading games onto the HD is virtually useless (in my opinion) - yes, it saves a few seconds here and there during bootup and between levels and what not, but to me, that is hardly worth the expense of having to buy a larger hard-drive. The only thing this "feature" does, in my opinion, is help Microsoft justify the need for their larger, more expensive hard drives, even though in reality there is very little benefit to having the big drive (this may change with Games on Demand and the like, but at this point, there is little need for a large hard-drive).
Now if you could load the games onto the hard-drive one time and then just put the discs away and never have to hassle with them again, that would be a feature that was worth-while.
Post by: The_Ocelot2 on August 11, 2009, 04:59:00 PM
Thanks to the guys at Free60 for your hard work!
Post by: Vejita on August 11, 2009, 05:06:00 PM
The original Xbox was horrible at running MAME due to a lack of processor power and RAM.
Post by: scottmuller28 on August 11, 2009, 05:12:00 PM
This post has been edited by scottmuller28: Aug 12 2009, 12:15 AM
Post by: xyteam on August 11, 2009, 05:12:00 PM
QUOTE(Vejita @ Aug 12 2009, 12:06 AM)
One of the main things I am looking forward to is a port of MAME to the 360 PowerPC architecture.
The original Xbox was horrible at running MAME due to a lack of processor power and RAM.
considering on mame for xbox you get full neogeo emulation,cps2.....i dont see anything horrible about that.
sure the midway games like the mk games struggled but the compatibility on a lot of games is excellent.
but back on topic i havent updated my 360 yet so im going to hold out for a few days and see what news gets released.
Post by: modslave on August 11, 2009, 05:15:00 PM
2nd, TWO people mentioned updating only to brick their consoles WTF!
Post by: amexie on August 11, 2009, 05:16:00 PM
and everyone saying go buy a pc you show me a pc more powerful than a 360 for 130 pound
a graphics card to match the 360 cost more than that alone
xbmc on the 360 will be awesome
good work free60 team, hope this is real
no more needing to convert hd movies to wmv-hd
Post by: Devedander on August 11, 2009, 05:24:00 PM
If so it takes a lot of the draw out of it for me as that's another expense and work needed to get it working.
I want homebrew as much as the next guy, but I have to think that the severe limitations on who can do this and how many will will result in lack of homebrew support. When everyone can easily get homebrew running the homebrew scene gets a lot of contributors and some great products. But when the userbase is limited, I don't have a lot of confidence a lot of great things will come along at a decent rate.
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 11, 2009, 05:33:00 PM
This post has been edited by lllsondowlll: Aug 12 2009, 12:36 AM
Post by: KIWIDOGGIE on August 11, 2009, 05:36:00 PM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 11 2009, 07:33 PM)
I got some inside info from some people who knew about this exploit for quite a while. They said that the announcement was a leak and the exploit was not being released. I guess they are trying to get the whole announcement removed from here and free60...
This is just what I heard so don't go updating your xbox yet but there is a good chance it won't come out considering my source is very (unfortunately) reliable.
He speaks teh truthzorz.
Post by: -DeToX- on August 11, 2009, 05:36:00 PM
lllsondowlll's source here by the way..
Big mistake by the way..
This post has been edited by -DeToX-: Aug 12 2009, 12:40 AM
Post by: 23bobbyg on August 11, 2009, 05:36:00 PM
Post by: gamerfreak1727 on August 11, 2009, 05:36:00 PM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 11 2009, 05:33 PM)
I got some inside info from some people who knew about this exploit for quite a while. They said that the announcement was a leak and the exploit was not being released. I guess they are trying to get the whole announcement removed from here and free60...
This is just what I heard so don't go updating your xbox yet but there is a good chance it won't come out considering my source is very (unfortunately) reliable.
Also 100% on this. It's a fact, some things were said, and someone jumped the gun. Sorry to disappoint the <9000 people on here.
Post by: 23bobbyg on August 11, 2009, 05:37:00 PM
Post by: nickcas on August 11, 2009, 05:40:00 PM
QUOTE(gamerfreak1727 @ Aug 11 2009, 07:36 PM)
Also 100% on this. It's a fact, some things were said, and someone jumped the gun. Sorry to disappoint the <9000 people on here.
Doesn't make any sense. Tmbinc said himself in a post on xboxhacker that he "promised" it would be out in a few hours/days. Now why would he say that if he thought it was a leak? I don't understand.
Post by: gamerfreak1727 on August 11, 2009, 05:41:00 PM
QUOTE(nickcas @ Aug 11 2009, 05:40 PM)
Doesn't make any sense. Tmbinc said himself in a post on xboxhacker that he "promised" it would be out in a few hours/days. Now why would he say that if he thought it was a leak? I don't understand.
lol.
Post by: -DeToX- on August 11, 2009, 05:42:00 PM
QUOTE(nickcas @ Aug 11 2009, 07:40 PM)
Doesn't make any sense. Tmbinc said himself in a post on xboxhacker that he "promised" it would be out in a few hours/days. Now why would he say that if he thought it was a leak? I don't understand.
Like I said. Big mistake.
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 11, 2009, 05:42:00 PM
This post has been edited by lllsondowlll: Aug 12 2009, 12:43 AM
Post by: sancho_panza on August 11, 2009, 05:44:00 PM
I'm just having a hearth attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those guys are awesome, they deserve a place in the olympus of hackers kingdom!!
I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS TO BE RELEASED!!!!!!!!
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 11, 2009, 05:45:00 PM
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 12 2009, 12:44 AM)
OH MY GOD!!
I'm just having a hearth attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those guys are awesome, they deserve a place in the olympus of hackers kingdom!!
I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS TO BE RELEASED!!!!!!!!
I felt the same way as well....
Post by: kronikdaddy on August 11, 2009, 05:48:00 PM
Post by: gamerfreak1727 on August 11, 2009, 05:49:00 PM
QUOTE(kronikdaddy @ Aug 11 2009, 05:48 PM)
I just built an HTPC with my old core2quad and i have a i7 system with 2 8800GTX cards in sli, I can pump crysis on very high with 20-30fps but homebrew on 360 excites me, for some reason emu's on the PC arent as fun as when its on a console your not supposed to be playing them on. I have XBMC on my HTPC but look forward to the conviniance of having it all in one with a homebrew 360. Best news of the year i say:)
lolwut.
Post by: sancho_panza on August 11, 2009, 05:50:00 PM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 12 2009, 01:45 AM)
I felt the same way as well....
LOL may I not believe you? Please (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Nevertheless, if you're right, I will have another heart attack when I'll know it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: nickcas on August 11, 2009, 05:50:00 PM
QUOTE(-DeToX- @ Aug 11 2009, 07:42 PM)
Like I said. Big mistake.
Too bad its still coming out.
Tmbinc:
Because *I* do have everything required for the exploit on my harddisk, and *I* still have the intention to release it. I don't know where this "it's a leak" comes from, but I consider it as bullshit."
We're still good guys.
Post by: sancho_panza on August 11, 2009, 05:51:00 PM
QUOTE(gamerfreak1727 @ Aug 12 2009, 01:41 AM)
lol.
I bet you was the first to update. Sorry...
Post by: KIWIDOGGIE on August 11, 2009, 05:52:00 PM
QUOTE(nickcas @ Aug 11 2009, 07:50 PM)
Too bad its still NOT coming out.
Tmbinc:
Because *I* do NOThave everything required for the exploit on my harddisk, and *I* still have the intention to release it. I don't know where this "it's a leak" comes from, but I consider it as confirmed."
We're still good guys.
lolowned.
Post by: sancho_panza on August 11, 2009, 05:53:00 PM
QUOTE(nickcas @ Aug 12 2009, 01:50 AM) 
Too bad its still coming out.
Tmbinc:
Because *I* do have everything required for the exploit on my harddisk, and *I* still have the intention to release it. I don't know where this "it's a leak" comes from, but I consider it as bullshit."
We're still good guys.
Great. I want to offer you a virtual beer mate
Post by: gamerfreak1727 on August 11, 2009, 05:53:00 PM
QUOTE(nickcas @ Aug 11 2009, 05:50 PM)
Too bad its still coming out.
Tmbinc:
Because *I* do have everything required for the exploit on my harddisk, and *I* still have the intention to release it. I don't know where this "it's a leak" comes from, but I consider it as bullshit."
We're still good guys.
Lol, no, Tmbinc isn't going to do anything, he doesn't have everything to do it..
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 11 2009, 05:51 PM)
I bet you was the first to update. Sorry...
actually, i really wouldn't care less if i had updated.. which i still haven't.
Post by: -DeToX- on August 11, 2009, 05:53:00 PM
QUOTE(nickcas @ Aug 11 2009, 07:50 PM)
Too bad its still coming out.
Tmbinc:
Because *I* do have everything required for the exploit on my harddisk, and *I* still have the intention to release it. I don't know where this "it's a leak" comes from, but I consider it as bullshit."
We're still good guys.
tmbinc doesn't have everything he needs to give what he announced. Not all of the work is his, and everyone except for him is against what he did, he had no permission to do what he did.
Nothing big is coming from this.
Post by: sancho_panza on August 11, 2009, 05:56:00 PM
QUOTE(-DeToX- @ Aug 12 2009, 01:53 AM)
tmbinc doesn't have everything he needs to give what he announced. Not all of the work is his, and everyone except for him is against what he did, he had no permission to do what he did.
Nothing big is coming from this.
So are you saying that what is written in the free60 homepage isn't legit?
Is it bullshit? If it were, they would have deleted that info.
I'm stiil reading it. Why should I believe it's not true?
Post by: -DeToX- on August 11, 2009, 05:57:00 PM
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 11 2009, 07:56 PM)
So are you saying that what is written in the free60 homepage isn't legit?
Is it bullshit? If it were, they would have deleted that info.
I'm stiil reading it. Why should I believe it's not true?
When did I say it is not legitimate? I said it was a big mistake, and what was done here should never have been.
Post by: KIWIDOGGIE on August 11, 2009, 05:57:00 PM
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 11 2009, 07:56 PM)
So are you saying that what is written in the free60 homepage isn't legit?
Is it bullshit? If it were, they would have deleted that info.
I'm stiil reading it. Why should I believe it's not true?
You are so bad.
lol
Post by: gamerfreak1727 on August 11, 2009, 05:58:00 PM
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 11 2009, 05:56 PM)
So are you saying that what is written in the free60 homepage isn't legit?
Is it bullshit? If it were, they would have deleted that info.
Maybe because they didn't have all of the facts straight.
Post by: nickcas on August 11, 2009, 05:58:00 PM
QUOTE(-DeToX- @ Aug 11 2009, 07:53 PM)
tmbinc doesn't have everything he needs to give what he announced. Not all of the work is his, and everyone except for him is against what he did, he had no permission to do what he did.
Nothing big is coming from this.
Why don't you guys want this to be released? It's already patched. What are you gaining from not having this in the public?
Post by: zoltrix2590 on August 11, 2009, 05:58:00 PM
Post by: echto on August 11, 2009, 06:00:00 PM
QUOTE(somenutter @ Aug 11 2009, 02:00 PM)
its too late for 90% of users because i was in the preview and didnt get told about this and also
they new about this for a while so why wait till today to tell us ? ?? what a load of shit
That is grade A fallacy material there. Keep up the good logic.
Post by: gamerfreak1727 on August 11, 2009, 06:00:00 PM
QUOTE(nickcas @ Aug 11 2009, 05:58 PM)
Why don't you guys want this to be released? It's already patched. What are you gaining from not having this in the public?
We're just trying to let everyone know the OFFICIAL word on this.
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 11, 2009, 06:02:00 PM
QUOTE
What are you gaining from not having this in the public?
Same damn argument everytime...
Post by: somenutter on August 11, 2009, 06:05:00 PM
QUOTE(echto @ Aug 12 2009, 01:00 AM)
That is grade A fallacy material there. Keep up the good logic.
fallacy ?
forget the fact that a lot of people were in the preview, i still say 90% of users updated before they read this
if you dont use your 360 everyday id say your opinion isnt worth it anyway
i myself personally use my xbox everyday and play lots of games in the evening so updating the dash is something that needed to be done to play
if you dont play on live it easy to say to everyone WELL YOU SHOULDNT OF UPDATED NOOB FOOL TARD
but if you play on live day in day out like me you would be pissed off
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 11, 2009, 06:08:00 PM
QUOTE(nickcas @ Aug 12 2009, 01:05 AM)
Oh I know you, you that kid who cries all the time when people release info. Shut the fuck up. And you still didn't answer my question.
No I am the man that gets pissed when my friends and I have something stolen that belongs to us and gets abused and patched because some noobs from some thief forum act like monkeys in a pool hall throwing their own feces at each other. Yet you cry when people keep things to themselves. That's whats happening...
Yet you still wonder...
PS: This isn't se7ensins boy, posts like that are called flaming and they will get you banned.
Post by: nickcas on August 11, 2009, 06:12:00 PM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 11 2009, 08:08 PM)
No I am the man that gets pissed when my friends and I have something stolen that belongs to us and gets abused and patched because some noobs from some theif forum act like monkeys in a pool hall throwing their own phieses at each other. Yet you cry when people keep things to themselves. That's whats happening...
Yet you still wonder...
Well tmbinc stole nothing from you. In fact, if it wasn't for him and whoever helped on the KK exploit there would be nothing to steal from you guys. So stop whining. I'm pretty sure he'll do what he wants to do.
Post by: sancho_panza on August 11, 2009, 06:12:00 PM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 12 2009, 02:08 AM)
No I am the man that gets pissed when my friends and I have something stolen that belongs to us and gets abused and patched because some noobs from some theif forum act like monkeys in a pool hall throwing their own phieses at each other. Yet you cry when people keep things to themselves. That's whats happening...
Yet you still wonder...
Come on, I didn't see any statement about the leech, why aren't your friends doing this?
And if your friends have access to the free60 website, how come they are not able to just delete that info?
Post by: gamerfreak1727 on August 11, 2009, 06:13:00 PM
QUOTE(sancho_panza @ Aug 11 2009, 06:12 PM)
Come on, I didn't see any statement about the leech, why aren't your friends doing this?
And if your friends have access to the free60 website, how come they are not able to just delete that info?
That had nothing to do with this.
Post by: sancho_panza on August 11, 2009, 06:16:00 PM
QUOTE(gamerfreak1727 @ Aug 12 2009, 02:13 AM)
That had nothing to do with this.
I'm waiting for you to prove it.
Until that, I will believe to xbox-scene, if I'm allowed.
Post by: somenutter on August 11, 2009, 06:17:00 PM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 12 2009, 01:08 AM)
No I am the man that gets pissed when my friends and I have something stolen that belongs to us and gets abused and patched because some noobs from some thief forum act like monkeys in a pool hall throwing their own feces at each other. Yet you cry when people keep things to themselves. That's whats happening...
Yet you still wonder...
PS: This isn't se7ensins boy, posts like that are called flaming and they will get you banned.
so your the hacker that has a way to run homebrew on any 360 before the new dash ?
Post by: RRODXbox on August 11, 2009, 06:17:00 PM
God damn, I hate inner circles.
Oh and I won't stop holding hope out just because people are saying it wont come out, Never a free 83850c solution anyone?
Post by: zoltrix2590 on August 11, 2009, 06:18:00 PM
I kinda miss playing online..
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 11, 2009, 06:19:00 PM
QUOTE(nickcas @ Aug 12 2009, 01:12 AM)
Well tmbinc stole nothing from you. In fact, if it wasn't for him and whoever helped on the KK exploit there would be nothing to steal from you guys. So stop whining. I'm pretty sure he'll do what he wants to do.
Your full of fail, that has nothing to do with tmbinc you know what I was referring to. I was referring to CON and Gamertag decryption. tmbinc has nothing to do with the point I was making, your off in your own world. Besides I have no affiliation with these people, Detox does and he is a trust source and according to him it isn't being released because of his friends frustration with the "supposed release" he never approved. We are not in control of this the creator is and as detox said, he isn't releasing it. Go back to se7en.
QUOTE(somenutter @ Aug 12 2009, 01:17 AM)
so your the hacker that has a way to run homebrew on any 360 before the new dash ?
No that was aimed at another situation that Nickas was complaining about I have no affiliation with the Homebrew hackers other than through detox's word who is a friend of the man who exploited it.
Post by: somenutter on August 11, 2009, 06:24:00 PM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 12 2009, 01:19 AM)
Your full of fail, that has nothing to do with tmbinc you know what I was referring to. I was referring to CON and Gamertag decryption. tmbinc has nothing to do with the point I was making, your off in your own world. Besides I have no affiliation with these people, Detox does and he is a trust source and according to him it isn't being released because of his friends frustration with the "supposed release" he never approved. We are not in control of this the creator is and as detox said, he isn't releasing it. Go back to se7en.
No that was aimed at another situation that Nickas was complaining about I have no affiliation with the Homebrew hackers other than through detox's word who is a friend of the man who exploited it.
ahh ok
this is funny do we have a way to hack the 360 or not ? or should i say was it worth telling my friend to wait ?
Post by: Xoxide on August 11, 2009, 06:24:00 PM
Post by: xyteam on August 11, 2009, 06:24:00 PM
Post by: sancho_panza on August 11, 2009, 06:24:00 PM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 12 2009, 02:19 AM)
Your full of fail, that has nothing to do with tmbinc you know what I was referring to. I was referring to CON and Gamertag decryption. tmbinc has nothing to do with the point I was making, your off in your own world. Besides I have no affiliation with these people, Detox does and he is a trust source and according to him it isn't being released because of his friends frustration with the "supposed release" he never approved. We are not in control of this the creator is and as detox said, he isn't releasing it. Go back to se7en.
Sorry.
You wrote a message you tried to delete before someone quote it.
Why did you delete it?
If a person (kiwi) did not quote you after JUST three minutes, noone would have known your supposed news.
Then appeared detox, who just claimed it was the source.
Please realize noone can understand you to those basis.
Post by: jester on August 11, 2009, 06:25:00 PM
QUOTE(xyteam @ Aug 12 2009, 01:24 AM)
well im going to update my dash now as this thread has just turned into a farce and a complete waste of time.
According to 2 people. Have faith, it will be accomplished.
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 11, 2009, 06:25:00 PM
I edited it out because detox was waiting to get official word to post in this thread but I acted too soon and told everyone too soon so realizing his plan I edited out my post. But I was too late. Detox was trying to keep it from being speculation but because of my error I opened my mouth and it turned into this. Don't update your xbox's until you guys get official word, I am not saying to do otherwise I just planned on letting everyone know what I had learned before it built hype.
Post by: somenutter on August 11, 2009, 06:26:00 PM
QUOTE(xyteam @ Aug 12 2009, 01:24 AM)
well im going to update my dash now as this thread has just turned into a farce and a complete waste of time.
lol good on you
i bet its out by the mornin pmsl and youll be kicking yourself
Post by: sancho_panza on August 11, 2009, 06:26:00 PM
QUOTE(xyteam @ Aug 12 2009, 02:24 AM)
well im going to update my dash now as this thread has just turned into a farce and a complete waste of time.
LOL I'm following you
Post by: qweewqaz on August 11, 2009, 06:26:00 PM
Post by: EvilEd1215 on August 11, 2009, 06:27:00 PM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 12 2009, 01:25 AM)
I trust detox and his cronies, they knew about the exploit long before this and so did I. I contacted him and he told me that the announcement was never meant to be made and it was a mistake.
Yeah and there were two shooters on the grassy knoll on November 22'nd of '63 too
Post by: nickcas on August 11, 2009, 06:28:00 PM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 11 2009, 08:19 PM)
Your full of fail, that has nothing to do with tmbinc you know what I was referring to. I was referring to CON and Gamertag decryption. tmbinc has nothing to do with the point I was making, your off in your own world. Besides I have no affiliation with these people, Detox does and he is a trust source and according to him it isn't being released because of his friends frustration with the "supposed release" he never approved. We are not in control of this the creator is and as detox said, he isn't releasing it. Go back to se7en.
CON was stolen from you? No. Derived RELEASED his source, but good try. Gamertag decryption, hmm, I'm pretty sure there were a few people involved in that project, one of whom reversed the keys from an application. Just because your people found out how to do this first and decided not to release does not mean that other people couldn't have figured it out for themselves.
Ontopic though, as TMBINC said, he is releasing, so I'll stay here.
I'm done arguing with you.
Post by: trentdadi on August 11, 2009, 06:30:00 PM
Or you can just go buy another 360. You will probably end up wanting it anyway so you can play your games online and you will be safe when buying new games because the off-chance they will try and auto-update your system.
Post by: -DeToX- on August 11, 2009, 06:31:00 PM
Post by: KIWIDOGGIE on August 11, 2009, 06:31:00 PM
QUOTE(-DeToX- @ Aug 11 2009, 08:31 PM)
nickcas, as stated. tmbinc can release what he did, but that is not 1/10th of the work that actually was done.
Rock the boat!
Post by: theevilhacker63 on August 11, 2009, 06:31:00 PM
but keeping anything from the community is wrong and there is no other way to look at it. either release it or delete the page on free60.org..
but keep in mind all your doing is blocking even more advancements in the hombrew/Linux scene and honest people who have done nothing wrong to you or anyone else from having fun with their hardware..
so again.. either release some info on whats going on or delete the page at free60.org and update the post on xbox-scene's front page.
unless everyone here is just trying to be "the man" right now and trying to make themselves seem important when they really have nothing to do with any of it.
so I say show em or I call your bluff.
who agrees?
Post by: gsharpshooter on August 11, 2009, 06:32:00 PM
Post by: EvilEd1215 on August 11, 2009, 06:33:00 PM
QUOTE(theevilhacker63 @ Aug 12 2009, 01:31 AM)
I understand the frustration of something being stolen.. if it was or not....
but keeping anything from the community is wrong and there is no other way to look at it. either release it or delete the page on free60.org..
but keep in mind all your doing is blocking even more advancements in the hombrew/Linux scene and honest people who have done nothing wrong to you or anyone else from having fun with their hardware..
so again.. either release some info on whats going on or delete the page at free60.org and update the post on xbox-scene's front page.
unless everyone here is just trying to be "the man" right now and trying to make themselves seem important when they really have nothing to do with any of it.
so I say show em or I call your bluff.
who agrees?
I agree
shit or get off the pot.
Post by: somenutter on August 11, 2009, 06:33:00 PM
QUOTE(theevilhacker63 @ Aug 12 2009, 01:31 AM)
I understand the frustration of something being stolen.. if it was or not....
but keeping anything from the community is wrong and there is no other way to look at it. either release it or delete the page on free60.org..
but keep in mind all your doing is blocking even more advancements in the hombrew/Linux scene and honest people who have done nothing wrong to you or anyone else from having fun with their hardware..
so again.. either release some info on whats going on or delete the page at free60.org and update the post on xbox-scene's front page.
unless everyone here is just trying to be "the man" right now and trying to make themselves seem important when they really have nothing to do with any of it.
so I say show em or I call your bluff.
who agrees?
yeah im in :-) stop talking bollocks and tell us one way or another
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 11, 2009, 06:34:00 PM
QUOTE(nickcas @ Aug 12 2009, 01:28 AM)
CON was stolen from you? No. Derived RELEASED his source, but good try. Gamertag decryption, hmm, I'm pretty sure there were a few people involved in that project, one of whom reversed the keys from an application. Just because your people found out how to do this first and decided not to release does not mean that other people couldn't have figured it out for themselves.
Ontopic though, as TMBINC said, he is releasing, so I'll stay here.
I'm done arguing with you.
I'm not doing this with you. CON was anthony and detox's work, derived figured it out I helped haxallot into the game and he threatened derived for the source he never released it. Gamertag decryption was done by detox as well then gabe and then I figured out how to run it. Method was stolen by Doob E Snack and when quickkill realised we got it to work he then sold it like crazy and leaked by doob e snack forcing us to release ours.
Either way if it does/doesn't get released it was never suppose to. This isn't even my battle I am just the messenger and I wasn't even suppose to be. I'll let you guys take it up with detox and his friends.
Post by: PhyChris on August 11, 2009, 06:34:00 PM
Post by: gamerfreak1727 on August 11, 2009, 06:35:00 PM
QUOTE(qweewqaz @ Aug 11 2009, 06:26 PM)
soo.. Whens this guna be released?
Never. Just update like everyone else.
Post by: EvilEd1215 on August 11, 2009, 06:35:00 PM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 12 2009, 01:34 AM)
I'm not doing this with you. CON was anthony and detox's work, derived figured it out I helped haxallot into the game and he threatened derived for the source he never released it. Gamertag decryption was done by detox as well then gabe and then I figured out how to run it. Method was stolen by Doob E Snack and when quickkill realised we got it to work he then sold it like crazy and leaked by doob e snack forcing us to release ours.
Either way if it does/doesn't get released it was never suppose to. This isn't even my battle I am just the messenger and I wasn't even suppose to be. I'll let you guys take it up with detox and his friends.
On no it's a hacker gang war
Post by: Bassie Von Adriaan on August 11, 2009, 06:35:00 PM
QUOTE(gsharpshooter @ Aug 12 2009, 02:32 AM)
F*** F*** F*** damn it I updated and was still on my original and first console since first yr launch ohh man I was gonna read here to update or not but thought nahh and now no homebrew or Linux on xbox ... I'm so pissed.
Yeah, but now u can get an avatar and a lightsaber!!!
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 11, 2009, 06:35:00 PM
Post by: Jhonnyyoyo on August 11, 2009, 06:36:00 PM
Post by: sancho_panza on August 11, 2009, 06:36:00 PM
QUOTE(gamerfreak1727 @ Aug 12 2009, 02:35 AM)
Never. Just update like everyone else.
I am not everyone else.
Should I be worried?
Post by: sancho_panza on August 11, 2009, 06:37:00 PM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 12 2009, 02:35 AM)
Just nobody update their stuff, its possible it will get out but according to detox it never was suppose to so wait for official word.
We already HAVE official word.
Those german guys aren't denying anything.
Post by: Bassie Von Adriaan on August 11, 2009, 06:38:00 PM
Post by: rolly poly on August 11, 2009, 06:39:00 PM
tmbinc @ 8:33pm eastern:
wtf, drama Wink
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 11, 2009, 06:41:00 PM
QUOTE(Bassie Von Adriaan @ Aug 12 2009, 01:38 AM)
Roofus made the first ever con resigner. Others got info from him.
Roofus did do this however according to anthony all research was pursued by himself.
Also according to detox tmbinc is jumping the gun which then pissed the other developers off and therefore they didn't want it to be released.
Post by: rolly poly on August 11, 2009, 06:42:00 PM
QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Aug 12 2009, 01:41 AM)
Where is this post from? Fill us in on the details guys. what the fuck
http://www.xboxhacke...;topic=12178.20
the xboxhacker.net forum...
Post by: Xoxide on August 11, 2009, 06:46:00 PM
QUOTE(gamerfreak1727 @ Aug 12 2009, 01:35 AM)
Never. Just update like everyone else.
I sure hope that is sarcasm, sir. =]
Post by: EvilEd1215 on August 11, 2009, 06:47:00 PM
This post has been edited by EvilEd1215: Aug 12 2009, 01:48 AM
Post by: gamerfreak1727 on August 11, 2009, 06:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Xoxide @ Aug 11 2009, 06:46 PM)
I sure hope that is sarcasm, sir. =]
No, it isn't, sir.
Post by: EvilEd1215 on August 11, 2009, 06:49:00 PM
Is this the part where one of you slaps the other in the face with a white glove?
This post has been edited by EvilEd1215: Aug 12 2009, 01:50 AM
Post by: sancho_panza on August 11, 2009, 06:50:00 PM
QUOTE(gamerfreak1727 @ Aug 12 2009, 02:47 AM)
No, it isn't, sir.
OMG my xbox told me she did not want to be updated!!
What a pity
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 11, 2009, 06:50:00 PM
QUOTE(EvilEd1215 @ Aug 12 2009, 01:47 AM)
lllsondowlll disappeared and so has the discussion his mom must have told him it was time for bed since it's a school night and all...
I am 18 years old for one and for two your immature and everything you have posted has been proven to be flame bait and ignorance. You are a friend of nickcas same forum, same post count, same childish personality.
This post has been edited by lllsondowlll: Aug 12 2009, 01:50 AM
Post by: rolly poly on August 11, 2009, 06:52:00 PM
QUOTE(Xoxide @ Aug 12 2009, 01:46 AM)
I sure hope that is sarcasm, sir. =]
don't listen to anyone (well except me
), if an exploit is released... it won't be super useful immediately to most ppl.if you value playing on live, just update and start saving for a new 360 in case anything happens... if it doesn't blow it on some games.
Post by: Bassie Von Adriaan on August 11, 2009, 06:53:00 PM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 12 2009, 02:41 AM)
Roofus did do this however according to anthony all research was pursued by himself.
Also according to detox tmbinc is jumping the gun which then pissed the other developers off and therefore they didn't want it to be released.
Maybe, they were good friends so he surely gave him some info.
And what drama. This friend said this, that one said that. If they have something to say, tell them to do it here or elsewhere
Post by: dokworm on August 11, 2009, 06:54:00 PM
QUOTE(pholly @ Aug 11 2009, 11:47 PM)
It has nothing to do with homebrew, these people just want an easy way to pirate games. It's not good enough for them to be able to burn "backups" to discs and play with a hacked firmware they want to play games for free off of the hdd without even needing to buy even blank media. There's nothing a 360 can do a PC can't do better, just go buy a video card with HDMI output if you want to play emulators and watch stolen movies on your TV.
There are a ton of things that would be better on a 360 rather than on a PC.
The major one is only having one bloody box hooked up to the TV, not having to boot windows and mess around with the endless tinkering that tends to come with PCs. Ease of use for the non-tech people in the family (i.e. wife and kids), and not having to spend the time and effort shopping around finding components and a small case that all work okay with each other and then setting up and troubleshooting the PC.
If you already have a 360, then why spend the extra time and money to build a HTPC?
I can pick up an arcade for around AUD$248 (USD$199) and I can't put together a PC for that in a case that small.
Post by: Xoxide on August 11, 2009, 06:54:00 PM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 12 2009, 01:50 AM)
I am 18 years old for one and for two your immature and everything you have posted has been proven to be flame bait and ignorance. You are a friend of nickcas same forum, same post count, same childish personality.
I too am acquaintances with nickcas, as well as many others. I neither flame bait nor act ignorant/childish, and I would like to point out that there has been no official retraction of the info at free60, and holding out on updating for a few days certainly isn't going to hurt anyone.
This post has been edited by Xoxide: Aug 12 2009, 01:54 AM
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 11, 2009, 06:54:00 PM
QUOTE(EvilEd1215 @ Aug 12 2009, 01:52 AM)
Yeah well that nearly makes you a man boy, now get a job and move out of your parent's basement.
My "immature posts" are simply a comedic look at what these forums are mis-used for everyday by people like yourself.
we're here for real information from the real source not this he said she said bullshit.
Your actually just spamming offtopic and raising post count and being flame bait explain to me how that is helpful in anyway shape or form.
Either way this is the business of tmbinc and detox and his friends. I never should have been apart of this in the first place.
This post has been edited by lllsondowlll: Aug 12 2009, 01:56 AM
Post by: EvilEd1215 on August 11, 2009, 06:55:00 PM
Once this hack is implemented, I'm assuming the xbox will be rendered useless for gaming until the homebrew scene evolves correct? I only as because of the following quote:
" - Right now, the only way to support both gaming and hacking would be a dual-nand modchip, which switches between nand contents."
Could someone elaborate on this please...
Post by: rolly poly on August 11, 2009, 07:02:00 PM
QUOTE(EvilEd1215 @ Aug 12 2009, 01:55 AM)
Question to anyone who really knows:
Once this hack is implemented, I'm assuming the xbox will be rendered useless for gaming until the homebrew scene evolves correct? I only as because of the following quote:
" - Right now, the only way to support both gaming and hacking would be a dual-nand modchip, which switches between nand contents."
Could someone elaborate on this please...
i'm not an insider or anything but my best guess is it would take a hacked kernel to play games, none exist yet to my knowledge.
Post by: fatvince on August 11, 2009, 07:05:00 PM
Post by: triple_h on August 11, 2009, 07:12:00 PM
first I haven't update it yet
second I already payed the XBOX-LIVE for a year.
I really love homebrew, but I don't want to throw the money away ether
what shall I do???
Post by: qweewqaz on August 11, 2009, 07:14:00 PM
QUOTE(triple_h @ Aug 11 2009, 06:12 PM)
darn!!! I have a difficult choice
first I haven't update it yet
second I already payed the XBOX-LIVE for a year.
I really love homebrew, but I don't want to throw the money away ether
what shall I do???
Buy another xbox
Post by: Pseudo99 on August 11, 2009, 07:31:00 PM
Oh well, hope things work out for the best. I for one was looking forward to the homebrew scene being more active again. X-S is still my homepage after all these years. Checking the front page every day to see what new and exciting developments were made is definitely something I miss.
Post by: xc1234 on August 11, 2009, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: majinsoftware on August 11, 2009, 08:00:00 PM
Guess im going to have to swap my good console with the next RROD one I fix that has a old dash.
Post by: geebus on August 11, 2009, 08:06:00 PM
Post by: bluto20 on August 11, 2009, 08:07:00 PM
Post by: scoobster on August 11, 2009, 08:18:00 PM
QUOTE(bluto20 @ Aug 11 2009, 07:07 PM)
why is this now coming out on the same day as the xbox live update?
Because the info is timely, and relevant.
A warning that boxes will likely never be downgradeable after this update.
Thanks for the info.
Post by: AddNtoX on August 11, 2009, 08:23:00 PM
This is the same people who rewarded microsoft before their "community" when the first KK exploit was discovered. Free60 my ass.
This post has been edited by AddNtoX: Aug 12 2009, 03:23 AM
Post by: yolarrydabomb on August 11, 2009, 08:23:00 PM
QUOTE(scoobster @ Aug 11 2009, 10:18 PM)
Because the info is timely, and relevant.
A warning that boxes will likely never be downgradeable after this update.
Thanks for the info.
Well they should of warn us a week during the preview program.
Post by: Xoxide on August 11, 2009, 08:31:00 PM
QUOTE(yolarrydabomb @ Aug 11 2009, 08:23 PM)
Well they should of warn us a week during the preview program.
Saying something during the preview could have lead to M$ investigating any potential exploits and updating the bootloader to blacklist certain kernels (like they just did with summer update). Basically it's my guess that they were trying to prevent what just happened today, and since they couldn't, ended up issuing a warning as fast as possible. Either way, it may be a long time before we see the real benefits of this, and with arcades @ around $180, it's not out of reach for people to buy an xbox for potential homebrew, and have one for playing on live. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: ka-b00m on August 11, 2009, 08:32:00 PM
Is this dash/kernel still "hackable"
Post by: Xoxide on August 11, 2009, 08:33:00 PM
QUOTE(ka-b00m @ Aug 11 2009, 09:32 PM)
Didn't update... still D:2.0.7371.0 - K:2.0.7371.0 (BK:2.0.1888.0)
Is this dash/kernel still "hackable"
From what we know so far, yes.
Post by: yolarrydabomb on August 11, 2009, 08:35:00 PM
QUOTE(Xoxide @ Aug 11 2009, 10:31 PM)
Saying something during the preview could have lead to M$ investigating any potential exploits and updating the bootloader to blacklist certain kernels (like they just did with summer update). Basically it's my guess that they were trying to prevent what just happened today, and since they couldn't, ended up issuing a warning as fast as possible. Either way, it may be a long time before we see the real benefits of this, and with arcades @ around $180, it's not out of reach for people to buy an xbox for potential homebrew, and have one for playing on live.
Yeah your right. sad thing is that my bro update my arcade...so hopefully my 20GB pro gets sent here and not updated
If not I guess I had to throw in some money for homebrew.
Post by: ka-b00m on August 11, 2009, 08:35:00 PM
PS: what the current dash/kernel version
PS2: XBMC in the 360 would be sweet... me likey it on the xbox uno...
This post has been edited by ka-b00m: Aug 12 2009, 03:38 AM
Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on August 11, 2009, 08:38:00 PM
when it comes out all you will get is some fancy razzmatazz that wont do much more than the existing dash,perhaps your own customised dash.
as for emus,this might be opening the door but,where is the proof there is any homebrew as in emus for this?
there is none as far as i know without checking the net and i aint gonna bother doing my homework cos this is plain lame to me.
so i will laugh if all you get is alex the kidd running jittery with no sound.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
if i want emus i got all i could want.hell,we are all using a pc and thats the best machine for it.
ms will be on the case of its next machine,when this eventualy takes off (if it does) then the 360 will be to the next machine what the xbox is to the 360.
so basicly,if you want emus then just use another platform.
i aint staying offline for this,i aint buying new console for this,i want to enjoy the console i got,i aint got time for retarded console emus when i got most of the older gen which are capable of running emus and a mame arcade cab which is like the ultimate to me.
i say theres a lot of people here that get excited and what for?when this is released they wont even use it.they think with their ass's and just post any crap because they can.
sorry,i Pass with a capital P.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
This post has been edited by saleem_hacks_360s: Aug 12 2009, 03:42 AM
Post by: AddNtoX on August 11, 2009, 08:39:00 PM
QUOTE(Xoxide @ Aug 11 2009, 08:31 PM)
Saying something during the preview could have lead to M$ investigating any potential exploits and updating the bootloader to blacklist certain kernels (like they just did with summer update). Basically it's my guess that they were trying to prevent what just happened today, and since they couldn't, ended up issuing a warning as fast as possible. Either way, it may be a long time before we see the real benefits of this, and with arcades @ around $180, it's not out of reach for people to buy an xbox for potential homebrew, and have one for playing on live. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Thats not how i'm reading it, seems like certain people responsible didnt want this publicised. I'd put money on it that if a certain person hadnt come forward with the info we'd hear about it later down the track when microsoft had been given enough time to fix the hole, at the next security expo.
Microsoft knew to overwrite the bootloader to put an end to an exploit which in coming months could totally open their machine up like the original xbox, compromise the integrity of live. Its obvious theyve known about it for some time. Given the seriousness of what the update actually does, id bet some of the key people involed in this were sharing information back and forth with microsoft just like they did when the orignal KK exploit broke.
Post by: majinsoftware on August 11, 2009, 08:40:00 PM
Xbox I use in garage didnt apply the update (because I turned the router off while it was downloading it. And checking in system info thats the version it has.
Post by: lost4468 on August 11, 2009, 08:42:00 PM
Post by: jester on August 11, 2009, 08:43:00 PM
QUOTE(saleem_hacks_360s @ Aug 11 2009, 09:38 PM)
i wioll laugh my head off when people go out and buy new 360s or stay offline for this.
Next time you post, try to stick to paragraph format, hitting enter 3 times after every sentence is one of the stupidest things I have had to read. This kind of development clearly isn't just for emulation, the possibilities are massive. If you don't think it's worth it, then fine.
QUOTE(saleem_hacks_360s @ Aug 11 2009, 09:38 PM)
thgere is none as far as i now without checking the net and i aint gonna bother doing my homework cos this is plain lame to me.
Post by: yolarrydabomb on August 11, 2009, 08:53:00 PM
QUOTE(saleem_hacks_360s @ Aug 11 2009, 10:38 PM)
i aint gonna bother doing my homework cos this is plain lame to me.
It may be lame to you but alot people to make their own games work on a console and have achievements and shit like that.
I like to have Windows XP SP3 installed on my xbox please!
Post by: jester on August 11, 2009, 08:59:00 PM
QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Aug 11 2009, 09:40 PM)
Is 8496 hackable. If so then im lucky.
Xbox I use in garage didnt apply the update (because I turned the router off while it was downloading it. And checking in system info thats the version it has.
From what I hear, all 849x kernels use the updated bootloader, which means it is patched. If you provide tmbinc with a flash dump, he could say for sure.
Post by: Muzzakus on August 11, 2009, 09:12:00 PM
QUOTE(fatvince @ Aug 12 2009, 01:05 AM)
Even if this gets me banned beyond belief.. I'll be installing it the minute it comes out. Screw LIVE, this is where it's at.
You my good man are a gentleman and a scholar. Totally agreed. The dvd hacks are a sorry state off affairs for us hombrew enthusiast. They totally killed the respectable part of the scene which is in essence about acheiving unristricted and cool things on a tv ready appliance. Game backups have been fun - but give me XBMC HD any day!
It's evident how things have degenerated over the years just by looking at this thread. I wish people could be a bit more civil. If anything a bonafied 360 homebrew scene will hopefully filter out the chaff and get us back on track!
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 11, 2009, 09:22:00 PM
Post by: Muzzakus on August 11, 2009, 09:25:00 PM
What a sad state of affairs the community has come to if true. Why? is the the question.
QUOTE(Mhawk134 @ Aug 12 2009, 03:15 AM)
Ok I heard slight mentions of this awhile back but never expected it. I do know for a fact that is detox says it's not coming then it will probably never see the light of day. As much as I hate that fucker he actually knows what he's talking about and is very knowledgeable about anything that has to do with 360. Most of those guys are dev kit fags and are one a "I'm the shit, and your not getting nothing high."
And as much as I hate those guys they know what there talking about.
I do however think it will get "leaked" one way or another, seems stuff always does to them anyway.
Hawk
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 11, 2009, 09:30:00 PM
This post has been edited by lllsondowlll: Aug 12 2009, 04:33 AM
Post by: StrictPuppet on August 11, 2009, 09:31:00 PM
This site has a code of conduct, that seems to be forgotten during times like these.
Over 20 posts from this thread have been removed due to flaming, insults, swearing, and completely off topic moronic comments.
Go change your tampons, and think about what you type from now on.
Keep posts relevant or find posting restrictions placed on your account.
No more warnings.
Post by: stuntpenguin007 on August 11, 2009, 09:34:00 PM
D:2.0.8498.0 - K:2.0.8498.0 (BK:2.0.1888.0)
Thanks.
oh crap!!!!!! just read this
A new hack is in development which works on all consoles not yet updated to the 849x update (Summer 09). This hack will be released soon.
gahhhhh I've waited sooo long.
Post by: Muzzakus on August 11, 2009, 09:43:00 PM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 12 2009, 03:22 AM)
Everyone expecting XBMC and things are in for a rude awaking this allows for unsigned code, not unsigned XBE and XEX. Besides Xbox1 homebrew must be ran through the Xbox1 emulator just like all games for xbox1 do thus running XBMC won't work, I know this because I have done it on a devkit. We are simply talking about a minimal exploit into retrieving lost DVD keys and maybe linux. Beyond that everything else will need extensive coding. Also the only way Xbox1 Xbe's were able to run were through a loader which was signed by a special key which we wont be seeing in xbox 360 any time soon. This is all very iffy so IF and I mean IF they decide to release it isn't going to be an all out homebrew / piracy fest.
I don't understand your reasoning. Running Linux is an amazing step in itself. Who said anything about running an Xbox1 compiled XBMC? We are talking about a 360 homebrew scene. The fact that it's in it's infancy is no suprise to anyone and no resonable person is expecting XBMC360 and Mame day1. The journey itself is the backbone to xbox-scene. I'm not sure your posts are adding any value to this thread frankly.
Post by: yolarrydabomb on August 11, 2009, 09:49:00 PM
a fresh start is best because 360 is more powerful then the first gen.
If man made it man can break it. but not this man!
This post has been edited by yolarrydabomb: Aug 12 2009, 04:52 AM
Post by: HotKnife420 on August 11, 2009, 09:53:00 PM
QUOTE(pholly @ Aug 11 2009, 11:47 PM)
It has nothing to do with homebrew, these people just want an easy way to pirate games. It's not good enough for them to be able to burn "backups" to discs and play with a hacked firmware they want to play games for free off of the hdd without even needing to buy even blank media. There's nothing a 360 can do a PC can't do better, just go buy a video card with HDMI output if you want to play emulators and watch stolen movies on your TV.
Yes, after driving to my home that I swindled from a Morman family, I park my stolen corvette, proceed inside with a 12 pack of Budweiser (that I stole), turn on my stolen TV, and boot my stolen 360 with an exploit, all because I was too lazy and cheap to stop by the store and steal some discs.
QUOTE(theevilhacker63 @ Aug 12 2009, 01:31 AM)
but keeping anything from the community ...is blocking even more advancements in the hombrew/Linux scene
I've always liked a particular saying - "You'd be amazed what you can accomplish when you don't care who receives credit".
Battles like this over who stole what sounds like what the warez kiddies are known for. Don't give out your source to people you can't trust before publishing your work.
QUOTE(EvilEd1215 @ Aug 12 2009, 01:55 AM)
Question to anyone who really knows:
Once this hack is implemented, I'm assuming the xbox will be rendered useless for gaming until the homebrew scene evolves correct? I only as because of the following quote:
" - Right now, the only way to support both gaming and hacking would be a dual-nand modchip, which switches between nand contents."
Could someone elaborate on this please...
The way I understand it is that the 360 would be booting directly into linux, but there would be no way to launch the game itself (yet), until a loader or something similar could be written.
QUOTE(yolarrydabomb @ Aug 12 2009, 03:53 AM)
I like to have Windows XP SP3 installed on my xbox please!
Not gonna happen (well, not likely, anyway). Windows is written for x86-based archiceture, and the 360 is PPC (like Mac's before the switch to Intel). If anything, it may be possible to get OSX running on it.
Post by: yolarrydabomb on August 11, 2009, 09:57:00 PM
QUOTE(HotKnife420 @ Aug 11 2009, 11:53 PM)
If anything, it may be possible to get OSX running on it.
Cool then run virtual box xp on it. lol
edit: wait does 360 only have 256MB?
Sorry off topic again
This post has been edited by yolarrydabomb: Aug 12 2009, 04:58 AM
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 11, 2009, 09:59:00 PM
QUOTE(Muzzakus @ Aug 12 2009, 04:43 AM)
I don't understand your reasoning. Running Linux is an amazing step in itself. Who said anything about running an Xbox1 compiled XBMC? We are talking about a 360 homebrew scene. The fact that it's in it's infancy is no suprise to anyone and no resonable person is expecting XBMC360 and Mame day1. The journey itself is the backbone to xbox-scene. I'm not sure your posts are adding any value to this thread frankly.
QUOTE(ka-b00m @ Aug 12 2009, 03:35 AM)
kool... i "donate" my 360 to free60 thingy then... i don't use live anymore...
PS: what the current dash/kernel version
PS2: XBMC in the 360 would be sweet... me likey it on the xbox uno...
QUOTE(Muzzakus @ Aug 12 2009, 04:12 AM)
You my good man are a gentleman and a scholar. Totally agreed. The dvd hacks are a sorry state off affairs for us hombrew enthusiast. They totally killed the respectable part of the scene which is in essence about acheiving unristricted and cool things on a tv ready appliance. Game backups have been fun - but give me XBMC HD any day!
It's evident how things have degenerated over the years just by looking at this thread. I wish people could be a bit more civil. If anything a bonafied 360 homebrew scene will hopefully filter out the chaff and get us back on track!
You were saying...
Also even if they didn't mean Xbox1 compiled an XEX from scratch would still not work.
QUOTE(Muzzakus @ Aug 12 2009, 04:43 AM)
I'm not sure your posts are adding any value to this thread frankly.
That is your opinion and you are entitled to it but in my opinion I am actually being quite helpful.
QUOTE(yolarrydabomb @ Aug 12 2009, 04:57 AM)
Cool then run virtual box xp on it. lol
edit: wait does 360 only have 256MB?
Sorry off topic again
Running virtual XP through linux is possible, yes.
Post by: dokworm on August 11, 2009, 10:05:00 PM
As to homebrew, there is already XBMC running on the 360 under linux, so this exploit will allow more people to do such things, and coders who can write decent apps, (but can't break the protection) to start writing for the 360.
I don't really care if this ever leads to installable games, the MS download option will probably allow that fully legit in the future for those who want it, I just want a homebrew scene on the 360, it is pretty powerful and would make for a fun development platform for those of us frustrated by the lack of power on the original xbox, but not interested in deving for windows and all the pain of it.
A closed system like a console is much more fun to develop for.
Post by: BRD on August 11, 2009, 10:08:00 PM
Turtles in Time, will have to wait.
Post by: rolly poly on August 11, 2009, 11:23:00 PM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 12 2009, 04:59 AM)
Also even if they didn't mean Xbox1 compiled an XEX from scratch would still not work.
i think most people are referring to a port of XBMC (or something similar) to the 360.
i'm not sure exactly what you mean by "compiled an XEX from scratch would still not work"...
i don't think anyone believes it will be the xbox scene at it's peak from day one, anyone with a clue knows that it would only be the corner stone that the scene would have to build on.
i would love to see a port of MAME that would run a lot of games the xbox version wouldn't mainly because of memory limitations...
to everyone saying buy a pc... if that's what you want, fine. plenty of people would prefer a powerful, cheap, and easy to use device that plugs up to (AND looks good on) ANY tv.
Post by: vintage_guitar on August 11, 2009, 11:41:00 PM
Post by: FoxRacR17 on August 11, 2009, 11:54:00 PM
QUOTE(vintage_guitar @ Aug 12 2009, 06:41 AM)
Nice, probably the only noteworthy news in 3 years on this website.
+1
Post by: darkshadow2k8 on August 12, 2009, 12:23:00 AM
next the xbox cant run windows not directly anyway i would say it can run osx maybe dont know tho but heck even linux will be fine
xbmc would be able to run on the system if its coded properly im sure of it
we want homebrew not for piracy but for the new things it will be able to do im sure it may even be able to do better emulators than any other system can like ps2 or gamecube
as for buy a pc yea u could but than u are blowing alot just to build one and besides not everyone wants a pc some just want a game system or cant afford a pc
Post by: HaredX on August 12, 2009, 12:24:00 AM
QUOTE(FrostyTheSnowman @ Aug 11 2009, 07:25 PM)
1. Buy Cygnos360 v2
It clearly says that the hack will not need any sort of modchip:
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It will allow users to take back control of their Xboxes and run arbitrary code like homebrew applications or Linux right after turning on the console and without the need of a modchip, finally opening up the Xbox 360 to a level of hacking as the original Xbox.
Post by: sprites on August 12, 2009, 12:46:00 AM
Post by: Mhawk134 on August 12, 2009, 12:49:00 AM
QUOTE(HaredX @ Aug 12 2009, 01:24 AM)
It clearly says that the hack will not need any sort of modchip:
Yeah but you will need a way to flash the NAND chip with some sort of programmer.
QUOTE(tmbinc @ August 11, 2009, 06:29:08 PM)
you don't need a "jtag adapter". What you need is a way to reprogram the NAND flash. This can be an external programmer, a linux tool (if it already runs), or a yet-to-be-announced project which uses a special southbridge mode (details will be coming soon) with just an LPT port. Or a nand-modchip.
Hawk
Post by: sprites on August 12, 2009, 01:17:00 AM
Post by: batman91 on August 12, 2009, 01:57:00 AM
QUOTE(sprites @ Aug 12 2009, 08:17 AM)
also depending how long the developers are taking, how long before the update is enforced via discs? updating might not be a choice at all in the end.
then dont use it for retail games. i still use xbmc daily. havent "gamed" on the xbox` for over 2 years. if it means an xbmc-esque solution, then i wouldnt give a shit about live or retail games on that box.
Post by: fatvince on August 12, 2009, 02:14:00 AM
QUOTE(sprites @ Aug 12 2009, 08:17 AM)
also depending how long the developers are taking, how long before the update is enforced via discs? updating might not be a choice at all in the end.
It could be a situation like the Wii Scene, although there are updates, they have all been decrypted so you can install the necessary files without breaking homebrew.
Post by: sancho_panza on August 12, 2009, 02:16:00 AM
QUOTE(Mhawk134 @ Aug 12 2009, 08:49 AM)
Yeah but you will need a way to flash the NAND chip with some sort of programmer.
Hawk
That yet-to-be-announced thing seems pretty interesting.
Post by: gsharpshooter on August 12, 2009, 02:40:00 AM
Post by: Bryan Nitro on August 12, 2009, 02:42:00 AM
Post by: Heet on August 12, 2009, 02:48:00 AM
It is usually a preamble to something pretty damn cool and its usually because people's feelings are hurt or others clammoring to recieve credit. It happened with a lot of the great dashboards, emus, apps, gamehacks (I was surprised at how much this played a part in the evolution of xbox).
And if they decide to hide the light under the bush, its cool, because someone else will pick up where they left off and then they will get to announce their godlike skills.
It is odd that some people so intelligent have the emotions of ovulating women but often its true.
Its the one's worried about legal problems that scare me. No disrespect to the obvious.
Post by: Odb718 on August 12, 2009, 03:16:00 AM
This thread's been entertaining. I just hope this comes out cuz I got scammed on ebay. The dvd doesn't match the mobo. I'd like to use this to pair them back together.
I still turn on the original xbox for my emulator fix. I guess I can update my live box, I still have the other one sitting in my closet collecting dust.
I'd like to see what tmbinc has to say on this topic personally.
/me smacks tmbinc around a bit with a large trout
Post by: ToBbErT on August 12, 2009, 03:46:00 AM
Post by: Krypton117 on August 12, 2009, 04:33:00 AM
Post by: ToBbErT on August 12, 2009, 04:48:00 AM
Post by: SatanUk on August 12, 2009, 05:37:00 AM
- we need to reflash the flash, and add 3 resistors for the JTAG (no modchip required! but you might want a dual-nand modchip),
- 8498 kills this by updating the bootloader - it blacklists 4532/4548. it also does hw init stuff which might interefere with the jtag hack, we don't know yet.
- we have a proof of concept hack, we will release it SOON (a matter of hours/days, not more - promised.).
- DON'T UPDATE to summer 09. Did i already say this?
- you don't need to know your cpu key. You can update to all BUT summer '09. you don't need a dvdrom.
- It works on all xenon, zephyr, falcon, opus, jasper. Unless you have updated to 849x. Then you're screwed.
Post by: xboxmods2977 on August 12, 2009, 06:01:00 AM
QUOTE(phistyle @ Aug 11 2009, 10:50 PM)
too little too late...this would of been good like a year or 2 ago but I really don't see this as going that big anytime soon...homebrew? you might as well build a cheap computer and run all the linux or emulators u want and all the media you throw at it...pc components are hella cheap right now....
Ok, I want to mention a few things here, but first I would like welcome myself to the the xbox 360 scene. A few days ago, somebody gave me an xbox 360 as payment for modding their orig xbox so now I have a Guinea pig and if a break it, it was free anyway. Now on to my rant.
There a FEW people in this topic that have mentioned PC parts being a cheap solution for all your emulation needs. Those people have obviously forgot why this site is here in the first f*cking place. We are taking a stand here in saying that no giant, money hungry corporation is gonna sell me a device and then turn around and tell me what I can, and can't do with it. F8CK THAT!! Wake up people.
The second point I want to make is that this exploit may be the little push needed for the Cygnos360 to remain updated and to remain redesigned. Who knows, maybe HDMI in the future.
In closing, I would just like to say that I, myself, could give a sh!t less about live. I have NO plans in giving MS any more money then I have to.
*EDIT* Don't Update!!!
This post has been edited by xboxmods2977: Aug 12 2009, 01:11 PM
Post by: TheSchonk on August 12, 2009, 06:55:00 AM
QUOTE(SatanUk @ Aug 12 2009, 07:37 AM)
- We can boot own code in HV context ~5s after boot, before any video output, right after the kernel runs.
- we need to reflash the flash, and add 3 resistors for the JTAG (no modchip required! but you might want a dual-nand modchip),
- 8498 kills this by updating the bootloader - it blacklists 4532/4548. it also does hw init stuff which might interefere with the jtag hack, we don't know yet.
- we have a proof of concept hack, we will release it SOON (a matter of hours/days, not more - promised.).
- DON'T UPDATE to summer 09. Did i already say this?
- you don't need to know your cpu key. You can update to all BUT summer '09. you don't need a dvdrom.
- It works on all xenon, zephyr, falcon, opus, jasper. Unless you have updated to 849x. Then you're screwed.
Hi, My dashboard version is 8495. Is it hackable?
Post by: RRODXbox on August 12, 2009, 07:11:00 AM
The Dashboard versions made a jump from 7371 to 849X so basically any dash that starts with 8 is screwed.
Post by: X-hacker on August 12, 2009, 07:15:00 AM
Post by: TheSchonk on August 12, 2009, 07:21:00 AM
QUOTE(RRODXbox @ Aug 12 2009, 09:11 AM)
No.
The Dashboard versions made a jump from 7371 to 849X so basically any dash that starts with 8 is screwed.
Thankyou
Post by: run187 on August 12, 2009, 07:53:00 AM
QUOTE(pholly @ Aug 11 2009, 11:47 PM)
It has nothing to do with homebrew, these people just want an easy way to pirate games. It's not good enough for them to be able to burn "backups" to discs and play with a hacked firmware they want to play games for free off of the hdd without even needing to buy even blank media. There's nothing a 360 can do a PC can't do better, just go buy a video card with HDMI output if you want to play emulators and watch stolen movies on your TV.
im sure you have never watched a pirated movie or played a "backup"game or downloaded a tv show
or taped anything off the radio and who woldent want to be able to play there games off a hdd without a disk
im sure most on this site would welcome the idea
the moral crusades here and double standards of many here amuse the crap out of me ..
Post by: beasty54 on August 12, 2009, 07:58:00 AM
QUOTE(SatanUk @ Aug 12 2009, 01:42 PM)
OK now breathe
Just had to get it off my chest
QUOTE(pholly @ Aug 11 2009, 11:47 PM)
It has nothing to do with homebrew, these people just want an easy way to pirate games. It's not good enough for them to be able to burn "backups" to discs and play with a hacked firmware they want to play games for free off of the hdd without even needing to buy even blank media. There's nothing a 360 can do a PC can't do better, just go buy a video card with HDMI output if you want to play emulators and watch stolen movies on your TV.
It has everything to do with homebrew. For me its all about the fact that it can be done and its fun to actually do. Who cares that it can be done better on a PC? The original xbox homebrew was fantastic and to just have a portion of that available for the 360 would be excellent. Why should we be limited to what microsoft allow the 360 to do when its actually a very capable machine and could do so much more.
Post by: sancho_panza on August 12, 2009, 08:48:00 AM
Post by: Deihmos on August 12, 2009, 08:58:00 AM
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Post by: beasty54 on August 12, 2009, 09:01:00 AM
QUOTE(Deihmos @ Aug 12 2009, 03:58 PM)
Wouldn't be easier to simply get a little PC and hook it up to your TV? You will be able to do much more with less hassle and it cost about the same as a 360. Sorry but this whole projects seems like a direct waste of time.
If thats how you think then why are you on these forums at all?
Post by: majinsoftware on August 12, 2009, 09:07:00 AM
QUOTE(Deihmos @ Aug 12 2009, 04:58 PM)
Wouldn't be easier to simply get a little PC and hook it up to your TV? You will be able to do much more with less hassle and it cost about the same as a 360. Sorry but this whole projects seems like a direct waste of time.
But it would be so much better to take your xbox 360 with you. Has the right plug for tvs works with a nice wireless controller. Easy to carry.
This hack will lead on to more then just linux and emulators.
Im hoping for custom dash, largers hdd support, Web browser and XBMC360.
Post by: WOlfSaviorZX on August 12, 2009, 09:21:00 AM
QUOTE(majinsoftware @ Aug 12 2009, 10:07 AM)
But it would be so much better to take your xbox 360 with you. Has the right plug for tvs works with a nice wireless controller. Easy to carry.
This hack will lead on to more then just linux and emulators.
Im hoping for custom dash, largers hdd support, Web browser and XBMC360.
Funny I have a small computer with all the right plug for tvs. It can use a wireless xbox 360 controller and 4 terabyte hard drives. A web browser (Firefox) and media player classic. I also have almost every emulater for just about every system. And don't forget if I wanted I could install Linus on it (though linux is never compatible with ati gpus so kind of waste of time). Anyway I have 8 gigs of ram on my pc which is a tad better than 500 megabytes. unless you can install more ram on the 360 than I couldn't care less.
Post by: leorimolo on August 12, 2009, 09:31:00 AM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 11 2009, 09:22 PM)
Everyone expecting XBMC and things are in for a rude awaking this allows for unsigned code, not unsigned XBE and XEX. Besides Xbox1 homebrew must be ran through the Xbox1 emulator just like all games for xbox1 do thus running XBMC won't work, I know this because I have done it on a devkit. We are simply talking about a minimal exploit into retrieving lost DVD keys and maybe linux. Beyond that everything else will need extensive coding. Also the only way Xbox1 Xbe's were able to run were through a loader which was signed by a special key which we wont be seeing in xbox 360 any time soon. This is all very iffy so IF and I mean IF they decide to release it isn't going to be an all out homebrew / piracy fest.
Who says some one else wont make a loader? Im fucking tired of sondows and every other person that has said "IT ISNT COMING GUYS FORGET IT"
Even if a kk type exploit gets released, this time there will be a good portion of us who didnt listen to you, and got the exploit running and maybe we will be running linux for a while, but when you have an entire community researching its different, things get accomplished. Honestly these guys have put no proof what so ever on whatever the hell they are saying, even if the exploit allows us to run kk I'm completely sure that some one can make it boot an xex and would be willing to release it.
Post by: xboxbman on August 12, 2009, 09:33:00 AM
QUOTE(WOlfSaviorZX @ Aug 12 2009, 11:21 AM)
Funny I have a small computer with all the right plug for tvs. It can use a wireless xbox 360 controller and 4 terabyte hard drives. A web browser (Firefox) and media player classic. I also have almost every emulater for just about every system. And don't forget if I wanted I could install Linus on it (though linux is never compatible with ati gpus so kind of waste of time). Anyway I have 8 gigs of ram on my pc which is a tad better than 500 megabytes. unless you can install more ram on the 360 than I couldn't care less.
how much did that thing cost? More than a 360 arcade unit? As others have mentioned earlier, why would you come to an xbox hacking site, and poo poo a newly released hack? Perhaps you should find another forum.
It's not just about how useful the hacked 360 is...it's the fact that it is hacked. I see alot of people who don't seem to get the idea of hacking. The idea is to make the device do what you want it to do, regardless of what the makers intended for it. It's all about the journey, not the destination.
Post by: beasty54 on August 12, 2009, 09:37:00 AM
QUOTE(WOlfSaviorZX @ Aug 12 2009, 04:21 PM)
Funny I have a small computer with all the right plug for tvs. It can use a wireless xbox 360 controller and 4 terabyte hard drives. A web browser (Firefox) and media player classic. I also have almost every emulater for just about every system. And don't forget if I wanted I could install Linus on it (though linux is never compatible with ati gpus so kind of waste of time). Anyway I have 8 gigs of ram on my pc which is a tad better than 500 megabytes. unless you can install more ram on the 360 than I couldn't care less.
Well thats funny because i also have 2 desktops and a laptop that can do the same but if i was happy with that i wouldn't be on an xbox hacking site. I want to run homebrew on my 360 because i can (hopefully) and because its fun tinkering.
Post by: theevilhacker63 on August 12, 2009, 09:45:00 AM
if the people here have the power and know-how to change free60.org page and get the page at xbox-scene front page either pulled or updated then do it..
if not release the hack and stop jerking us around.. we all know the responsible parties are reading this forum and are having a good laugh... times up release or GTFO.
Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on August 12, 2009, 09:51:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxbman @ Aug 12 2009, 04:33 PM)
how much did that thing cost? More than a 360 arcade unit? As others have mentioned earlier, why would you come to an xbox hacking site, and poo poo a newly released hack? Perhaps you should find another forum.
It's not just about how useful the hacked 360 is...it's the fact that it is hacked. I see alot of people who don't seem to get the idea of hacking. The idea is to make the device do what you want it to do, regardless of what the makers intended for it. It's all about the journey, not the destination.
so come on then smarty pants,what do they want it to do then?
make a device do what you want it to do,yet all the talk about bigger hdds,iso loaders,custom dashboards.and yet,all this is is just the door opening,to what?noone knows yet you seem to be spokeperson,so enlighten the community.
thought not!
buy plenty of 360's to replenish your ever depleted stock of hackable 360s (due to error/rrod prone console) is what i will say so you can look and browse the pretty xbmc that will do nothing bar let you browse it or wont offer more than you got on the dash already.
enjoy your journey,or should i say enjoy your ego trip before you come back to reality howser!.
Post by: WOlfSaviorZX on August 12, 2009, 10:06:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxbman @ Aug 12 2009, 10:33 AM)
how much did that thing cost? More than a 360 arcade unit? As others have mentioned earlier, why would you come to an xbox hacking site, and poo poo a newly released hack? Perhaps you should find another forum.
It's not just about how useful the hacked 360 is...it's the fact that it is hacked. I see alot of people who don't seem to get the idea of hacking. The idea is to make the device do what you want it to do, regardless of what the makers intended for it. It's all about the journey, not the destination.
Honestly around a 1000 bucks. Anyway Im not dissing the hack, it just seem like you hate M$ for not opening their device up. I understand the fact that it may be cool, like if you could use as a Linux media center extender, that would be that b!T(H. The problem If you want just one device hooked up to one tv then just spend some money and get a good one. but if we see some serious functionality out of a 200 dollar device then yeah I would be all for it. The only thing is if we never get playing games with live then I have to still spend more money plus I need a M$ hard drive etc... it just makes sense to me to keep my xbox the way it is and keep my kick a computer up to my tv. Still don't let me stop you m it's just im impatient and wouldn't wait for a year to watch some videos etc...
Post by: xboxbman on August 12, 2009, 10:19:00 AM
QUOTE(saleem_hacks_360s @ Aug 12 2009, 11:51 AM)
so come on then smarty pants,what do they want it to do then?
make a device do what you want it to do,yet all the talk about bigger hdds,iso loaders,custom dashboards.and yet,all this is is just the door opening,to what?noone knows yet you seem to be spokeperson,so enlighten the community.
thought not!
buy plenty of 360's to replenish your ever depleted stock of hackable 360s (due to error/rrod prone console) is what i will say so you can look and browse the pretty xbmc that will do nothing bar let you browse it or wont offer more than you got on the dash already.
enjoy your journey,or should i say enjoy your ego trip before you come back to reality howser!.
Well, if XBMC is on there, it will actually do alot more. Have you ever played an .mkv file on NXE, or even been able to play an .avi if you aren't connected to live? Being able to play much more media ss pretty sweet if you ask me. A custom dash would be nice too. I don't particularly care for NXE and it's avatars. I'm also a programmer, so being able to write some code and see it do something on the xbox360 appeals to me too. A larger hdd would be nice too. Folding@home would be cool too. A more powerful system to run MAME on as well. Full distro of linux would be good. It's a cheap computer with decent power.
I wasn't attacking you, despite what you seem to think. My point was not everyone can afford an htpc with multiple terabytes of hdd space and many gigs of ram. XBMC on the 360 is a good substitute.
I like to program, and like to hack. This is one more venue for me to enjoy my hobby. Same goes for alot of people on this forum. That is the purpose of the forum.
I don't quite get your "enjoy your ego trip" comment. I wasn't condecending in my post, and I wasn't boasting about my l33t 5k1775. Just stating this is an xbox hacking site, and you saying the newly released hack is useless is contrary to the idea of hacking.
To each their own. I am happy this hack is being released, and look forward to all the great things the xbox community will create. If you aren't happy/interested in it, that is fine. But you don't need to come to hacking forum and shit all over a hack being released.
Post by: Deihmos on August 12, 2009, 10:33:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxbman @ Aug 12 2009, 11:19 AM)
Well, if XBMC is on there, it will actually do alot more. Have you ever played an .mkv file on NXE, or even been able to play an .avi if you aren't connected to live? Being able to play much more media ss pretty sweet if you ask me. A custom dash would be nice too. I don't particularly care for NXE and it's avatars. I'm also a programmer, so being able to write some code and see it do something on the xbox360 appeals to me too. A larger hdd would be nice too. Folding@home would be cool too. A more powerful system to run MAME on as well. Full distro of linux would be good. It's a cheap computer with decent power.
I wasn't attacking you, despite what you seem to think. My point was not everyone can afford an htpc with multiple terabytes of hdd space and many gigs of ram. XBMC on the 360 is a good substitute.
I like to program, and like to hack. This is one more venue for me to enjoy my hobby. Same goes for alot of people on this forum. That is the purpose of the forum.
I don't quite get your "enjoy your ego trip" comment. I wasn't condecending in my post, and I wasn't boasting about my l33t 5k1775. Just stating this is an xbox hacking site, and you saying the newly released hack is useless is contrary to the idea of hacking.
To each their own. I am happy this hack is being released, and look forward to all the great things the xbox community will create. If you aren't happy/interested in it, that is fine. But you don't need to come to hacking forum and shit all over a hack being released.
I play avi without cnnecting to Live all the time. What are you talking about? MKV is a ridiculous container that holds the same audio and video as an MP4 file. Why do people use something that has 0 support among extenders is beyond me. I can repack mkv to mp4 in like 5 minutes. With Windows 7 and mce you can repack it to m2ts in a few seconds then playback on the 360.
Post by: beasty54 on August 12, 2009, 10:36:00 AM
QUOTE(WOlfSaviorZX @ Aug 12 2009, 05:06 PM)
Honestly around a 1000 bucks. Anyway Im not dissing the hack, it just seem like you hate M$ for not opening their device up. I understand the fact that it may be cool, like if you could use as a Linux media center extender, that would be that b!T(H. The problem If you want just one device hooked up to one tv then just spend some money and get a good one. but if we see some serious functionality out of a 200 dollar device then yeah I would be all for it. The only thing is if we never get playing games with live then I have to still spend more money plus I need a M$ hard drive etc... it just makes sense to me to keep my xbox the way it is and keep my kick a computer up to my tv. Still don't let me stop you m it's just im impatient and wouldn't wait for a year to watch some videos etc...
You still seem to be missing the point, why is it so hard to understand that it doesn't matter if a 360 with homebrew isn't as good as a pc and it doesn't matter what it costs
All that matters is that its a 360 running homebrew.
Post by: monkeyhands on August 12, 2009, 10:45:00 AM
Still in warranty though
Post by: WOlfSaviorZX on August 12, 2009, 10:47:00 AM
QUOTE(beasty54 @ Aug 12 2009, 11:36 AM)
You still seem to be missing the point, why is it so hard to understand that it doesn't matter if a 360 with homebrew isn't as good as a pc and it doesn't matter what it costs
All that matters is that its a 360 running homebrew.
Yes but people spend a lot of time and money doing it.... "just cause". Okay whatever like i said if it was like linux media center edition extender, that would be great. It's like the Wii, it has the ability to do homebrew and all that but most people just use for it for piracy. Anyway Im getting tired of arguing, the reason I and the majority of people comes to an xbox hacking site is for help in playing "backups" be honest with yourself.....
I guess it would be cool to see custom halo 3 maps as well to be honest
If this does open up the system to being able to play games off an external hardrive and still playing games on live than F YEAH. I guess going on an ego trip doesn't really help so I hope something good comes out of this even if I have to buy a new 360.
Post by: niai on August 12, 2009, 10:47:00 AM
do all the people on here that are bitching relay want to have some thing released that could fuck up there xbox if thy did that then the people bitching would be the ones bitching that thy released it to early just wait it will be out if you dont want to wait then dont we dont need to hear bout it
and remember thy dont have to do this thy dont have to release it so stop acting as if its your right to get it its not just sit back wait and be thankful that the xbox scene is going to get the kick of its been needing for homebrew
Post by: joliverio on August 12, 2009, 10:53:00 AM
QUOTE(DINOSPD @ Aug 12 2009, 11:42 PM)
Any1 here downloaded the recent files posted on x-sky?
There's one guy uploading lots of "new hacks" for the x360, including a supposed to be mame360...
free60 has anything to do with that?
Yea, this is the funniest thing, just in the same day that millions of users updated to a new dash, and accordingly with the news, now You are screwed if want to run homebrew things because Your Xbox become "un-exploited" again; millions and thousands of apps are shown!!! Wtf really happened here, why do not inform people one day in advance "do not update your console because news are coming" ??????? i really cannot understand, and I read all previous 17 pages to make this post....
At least, weird!!!
Post by: leorimolo on August 12, 2009, 10:54:00 AM
QUOTE(niai @ Aug 12 2009, 10:47 AM)
wow every console hacking comunity i am part of all ways complane when some one says thy have some thing and there not releasing till its finshed thy anounsed it cos M$ are now doing some thing bout it if thy hadnt said a thing then free60 would have waited till the explot was 100% working
do all the people on here that are bitching relay want to have some thing released that could fuck up there xbox if thy did that then the people bitching would be the ones bitching that thy released it to early just wait it will be out if you dont want to wait then dont we dont need to hear bout it
and remember thy dont have to do this thy dont have to release it so stop acting as if its your right to get it its not just sit back wait and be thankful that the xbox scene is going to get the kick of its been needing for homebrew
Tmbinc said its getting released, why the fuck pay attention to the rest of the people? If it doesn't get released it will be because tmbinc says "No I am not releasing" Instead of a bunch of people just going around saying it. Trust your instincts and choose who to listen to. The guy who has posted indications of how the hack works and what it could acomplish or the group of people that are just sitting back saying it wont work period.
Post by: theevilhacker63 on August 12, 2009, 10:58:00 AM
and to the people saying they would rather build a pc for all of this.. I say you should leave this site/forum and go find a htpc site and place your completely off topic comments there.
Post by: ToBbErT on August 12, 2009, 11:09:00 AM
Post by: gehx on August 12, 2009, 11:17:00 AM
This could b the fu*king shit!!! can't wait
Post by: KyesaRRi on August 12, 2009, 12:25:00 PM
QUOTE(joliverio @ Aug 12 2009, 06:53 PM)
Yea, this is the funniest thing, just in the same day that millions of users updated to a new dash, and accordingly with the news, now You are screwed if want to run homebrew things because Your Xbox become "un-exploited" again; millions and thousands of apps are shown!!! Wtf really happened here, why do not inform people one day in advance "do not update your console because news are coming" ??????? i really cannot understand, and I read all previous 17 pages to make this post....
At least, weird!!!
And they were supposed to know that the latest version of the dash kills the ability to use this exploit? Its common sense that you dont update your console immediatly if you are waiting on somthing like this. If you must play live then the lack of hombrew is the cost you have to pay.
Post by: Gimpmaster3201 on August 12, 2009, 12:38:00 PM
Post by: skipper132 on August 12, 2009, 12:45:00 PM
QUOTE(Gimpmaster3201 @ Aug 12 2009, 07:38 PM)
Has the 360 XDK been pre'd/leaked? The fact it doesn't seem as widely spread/accessible as the XDK for the original Xbox will probably mean homebrew won't be anywhere as near prolific as it was for the Xbox, it was a case of anyone who had an interest in developing for it could quite easily get a hold of it, I wonder if the 360 XDK will get leaked now there is some incentive to.
Build #6534 is leaked and im very surprised it hasnt ended up on torrent sites by now, i guess the only reason its not is because the amount of poeple that can use it already have it, supply meets demand so if this explit is legit, the demand for the sdk will go up because more people have a use for it, thus eventualy getting more leaked than it already is, as for a newer build well.. i doubt it
This post has been edited by skipper132: Aug 12 2009, 07:45 PM
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 12, 2009, 12:52:00 PM
Who says some one else wont make a loader? Im fucking tired of sondows and every other person that has said "IT ISNT COMING GUYS FORGET IT"[/quote]
1. I never said "IT ISNT COMING GUYS FORGET IT", as a matter of fact I said it was still possible it was coming, I just said detox's friend never approved of it and to wait for official word. This isn't from my mouth leo this from detox and up until about 4 or 5 months ago you were on your knees for him until you were caught involving yourself in leaking of software. That is about the time you were tossed aside like garbage so naturally your personal feelings are getting in the way of your logic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
[quote name='leorimolo' date='Aug 12 2009, 04:31 PM' post='4520088'
maybe we will be running linux for a while, but when you have an entire community researching its different, things get accomplished.[/quote]
2. I never said Linux was / wasn't possible... nor did I doubt otherwise.
[quote name='leorimolo' date='Aug 12 2009, 04:31 PM' post='4520088']
Honestly these guys have put no proof what so ever on whatever the hell they are saying,
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3. That's because this guy doesn't wasn't want his name thrown around and detox has known about this exploit for quite a while now. However since the hype has built up over it according to detox they decided to talk over rather to proceed or halt the project publicly
4. Leo don't pretend to be a man of the people, you used to be one of us, don't pretend like you don't know who we are and that we are some mysterious people from some foreign planet you never heard of. Unfortunately you fucked up one too many times got kicked to curb. Now you just roam around forums attacking when ever you get the chance.
[quote name='leorimolo' date='Aug 12 2009, 04:31 PM' post='4520088']
even if the exploit allows us to run kk I'm completely sure that some one can make it boot an xex and would be willing to release it.
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5. Sometimes I really wonder if you know anything about the xbox 360 at all. The exploits are not the same stop assuming things. Also how can you make it boot an xex? Can you please explain that process to me to indicate to everyone here you know the slightest of what your rambling about?
In short guys don't be like leo and shoot the messenger. Detox is a friend of one of the people who discovered this exploit and he came here himself and relayed the message after I heard it from him and slipped to the public. I am not saying for sure or not if it is being released I am simply saying wait for official word to see if they continue. You have a problem take it up with detox, kiwi, gamerfreak and not me.
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Why is quoting not working?!
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Post by: xboxbman on August 12, 2009, 12:53:00 PM
QUOTE(skipper132 @ Aug 12 2009, 02:45 PM)
Build #6534 is leaked and im very surprised it hasnt ended up on torrent sites by now, i guess the only reason its not is because the amount of poeple that can use it already have it, supply meets demand so if this explit is legit, the demand for the sdk will go up because more people have a use for it, thus eventualy getting more leaked than it already is, as for a newer build well.. i doubt it
there is also a copy of SDK 7645.1 out in the wild too.
Post by: Hack_Bird on August 12, 2009, 01:03:00 PM
... No ... noooooo .... update complete... Now i need to buy as fast as i can an new xboxBefore they update them in stores...
Go Homebrew, whatever i did updateing, GO HOMEBREW.
Post by: 2K4EVOVIII on August 12, 2009, 01:25:00 PM
Post by: Hack_Bird on August 12, 2009, 01:28:00 PM
Guys ...Anyway, i just decided i stop updating my box. buy a new xbox with hdmi.
Hope they find a way someday to hack my xbox with this %4@5 Summer 09 dash.
Now i'm back playing wiisports
Post by: lmaolmao on August 12, 2009, 01:33:00 PM
QUOTE(Deihmos @ Aug 12 2009, 06:33 PM)
I play avi without cnnecting to Live all the time. What are you talking about? MKV is a ridiculous container that holds the same audio and video as an MP4 file. Why do people use something that has 0 support among extenders is beyond me. I can repack mkv to mp4 in like 5 minutes. With Windows 7 and mce you can repack it to m2ts in a few seconds then playback on the 360.
mp4 does not support dolby digital, thus it is crap.
Post by: Deihmos on August 12, 2009, 01:53:00 PM
QUOTE(lmaolmao @ Aug 12 2009, 02:33 PM)
mp4 does not support dolby digital, thus it is crap.
In Windows 7 media center it supports it and an mkv to m2ts is a matter of seconds. I don't care much about dolby digital since I hardly ever turn on the receiver. It would still be nice if the dash could support 5.1 in mp4. I actually thought we would get more codecs with the new update.
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Post by: Mhawk134 on August 12, 2009, 02:19:00 PM
QUOTE(leorimolo @ Aug 12 2009, 01:09 PM)
18 year olds don't have imaginary developer friends...
All this fight is useless without any facts, really we have posted facts from one of the developers members, you guys on the other hand make crazy statements and we ask where you get your information all you respond with is "We can't say"
Want us to take any of you seriously? Start posting facts and quit arguing with other members over stupid unrelated shit.Kinda sucks dev kit prices will drop now since all the halo kids can mod a normal xbox 360 now. Also TMBNIC said that it will require an external programmer. Here's hoping for a jtag of some sorts there easy to do but I think it'll be more then that.
Hawk
Post by: Xoxide on August 12, 2009, 02:23:00 PM
QUOTE(Mhawk134 @ Aug 12 2009, 03:19 PM)
Kinda sucks dev kit prices will drop now since all the halo kids can mod a normal xbox 360 now. Also TMBNIC said that it will require an external programmer. Here's hoping for a jtag of some sorts there easy to do but I think it'll be more then that.
Hawk
QUOTE(tmbinc @ Aug 11 2009, 06:29 PM)
you don't need a "jtag adapter". What you need is a way to reprogram the NAND flash. This can be an external programmer, a linux tool (if it already runs), or a yet-to-be-announced project which uses a special southbridge mode (details will be coming soon) with just an LPT port. Or a nand-modchip.
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Post by: RAAAMESH on August 12, 2009, 02:42:00 PM
would you need a DEV xbox to make use of
SDK 7645.1
and the recovery disc such as
9328 Xbox 360 DEV Recovery
Post by: sancho_panza on August 12, 2009, 02:45:00 PM
QUOTE(saleem_hacks_360s @ Aug 12 2009, 10:09 PM)
if i was you i would be careful what you say cos everyone who is saying great things about this work,there might not be any for the end user,in fact if his mates go against him there might not be any for the person who released the statement.
Pure speculation, there's no evidence about.
QUOTE(saleem_hacks_360s @ Aug 12 2009, 10:09 PM)
so lets run this scenario,if it dont ever get relased are you going to apologise.if it is released with all the goodies that people want from the off i will apologise.
It will be what the guys are saying it is, a start; developers will give this a chance, or not.
Post by: barkeff on August 12, 2009, 03:00:00 PM
Post by: ZakMcRofl on August 12, 2009, 03:12:00 PM
Sure there would be an initial ramp-up phase until devs get some good open source devkits/toolchains going and write some libs. But the benefit is that we could freely distribute the resulting software unlike almost every piece of Xbox1 code.
Post by: rolly poly on August 12, 2009, 03:16:00 PM
QUOTE(ZakMcRofl @ Aug 12 2009, 10:12 PM)
Honestly, it would be a good thing if people wouldn't be using the XDK this time around.
Sure there would be an initial ramp-up phase until devs get some good open source devkits/toolchains going and write some libs. But the benefit is that we could freely distribute the resulting software unlike almost every piece of Xbox1 code.
i agree, as i think widespread access to the official XDK took some talent and incentive away from the OpenXDK project.
Post by: tactix101 on August 12, 2009, 03:21:00 PM
for all the peeps moaning that you updated your console and now you cant use this hack if it comes out you really havent got a clue about anything.
to the idiots saying why bother i say why not, yeah you can get better hardware from a pc connected to your tv but thats always been the case even with the original xbox that didnt stop us then though did it ??? well no it didnt because half the fun was doing the hacks in the first place damn im writing this from my quad core htpc on my 42" hdtv but it doesnt mean im not going to hack the hell outta my spare 360 when i get half the chance.
for the rest of you free loaders that think that the dvd firmware hacks are the next best thing to a blowjob off god and are solely interested in this for pirating grow up and realise what a SCENE is really about its about HOMEBREW aka user generated code and making locked down hardware do something its not supposed to " WHY BECAUSE WE CAN ".
on a lighter note grats to the peeps for getting this hack done and all your hard work' if you dont release it then great "your work your rules and EVERBODY should respect that" if you do release it then even greater just dont make it to easy for the script kiddies.
ps. also can the mouth piece possee shut there hole untill we get confirmation that the hack is / isnt comming out from the respected devs as all your doing is pissing on the fire with petrol
Post by: xboxhackern00b on August 12, 2009, 04:11:00 PM
i cant wait
Post by: Xoxide on August 12, 2009, 04:18:00 PM
QUOTE(tactix101 @ Aug 12 2009, 04:21 PM)
if you dont release it then great "your work your rules and EVERBODY should respect that" if you do release it then even greater just dont make it to easy for the script kiddies.
I honestly had a laugh at this part. Anyways it seems things are going forward quite nicely, there hasn't been any solid BAD NEWS on IRC or xbh, and that's a pretty damn good sign. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: Mhawk134 on August 12, 2009, 05:18:00 PM
Hawk
Post by: infidelity on August 12, 2009, 06:02:00 PM
I hope the devotion we saw with Xbox1 will show up again when this hack is out in the wild. Thank you to everyone involved in this. I'm going out tonight and buying a spare 360 just for this occasion!
Bring On Homebrew! Go Emus, Go!
Post by: kronikdaddy on August 12, 2009, 06:28:00 PM
Anyway, If your handy enough to do this mod when it drops then a simple repair should be no problem for you so you can get a great deal on a 360 from ebay.
Better yet find a cheap 360 that had its drive key lost and recover it after you install the coming hack. 360 DVD drives go for $20-30 on ebay right now.
If you can't do the mod yourself then save up your pennies to buy a pre-modded 360 if this hack gets that far.
Post by: Marrvia on August 12, 2009, 06:47:00 PM
Post by: xc1234 on August 12, 2009, 07:44:00 PM
QUOTE(lllsondowlll @ Aug 12 2009, 07:52 PM)
5. Sometimes I really wonder if you know anything about the xbox 360 at all. The exploits are not the same stop assuming things. Also how can you make it boot an xex? Can you please explain that process to me to indicate to everyone here you know the slightest of what your rambling about?
i dont give a damn about an xex u moron. the point of this exploit is for us to be able to run linux from boot and have *full* hardware access while in it. stop talkin like u kno shit, u friend of a friend of the guy who made the exploit. do something productive with ur life other than leaking secrets.
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Post by: saleem_hacks_360s on August 12, 2009, 08:02:00 PM
what next,ps3 backups on xbox360!
Post by: Norco on August 12, 2009, 08:12:00 PM
QUOTE(Mhawk134 @ Aug 13 2009, 12:18 AM)
Can't we all just get along? I mean really, how cool would it be to be able to install MAC OSX on the 360? It's based off of macs power pc architecture anyway. So that would be the most easiest to port over. Sure vista may follow later on but I look for OSX first. And that would be really sweet to run an Apple OS on an Xbox. I know this is a ways down the road but it will all be possible once this is released. It's smaller then 90% of pcs out there easy to carry around with you when you travel, you can have a wireless internet adapter connected to it, the possibilities with homebrew and everything else are endless with the 360's power. So here's to hoping that it gets released and that I have all the stuff on hand to do it as soon as it comes out.
Hawk
Whether the system runs a PowerPC or Intel chip has no bearing on whether it can run OS X. It's all about the bios. Mac's don't use a bios, it's called an EFI, which is why you have to do some OS X patching to get it to run on hackintosh's.
Post by: Creamy Goodness on August 12, 2009, 08:48:00 PM
props to anyone dedicated enough to break the security on the hv again, but you're not really going to gain any respect by refusing to release the hack. Especially if Microsoft's latest update really blocks it. Now you're just wasting our time. Either release something, or be ready to loose all credit for your work. No other hacker is going to be giving you credit when they're forced to redo your work!
I don't want to say that you have to release it or even that you should without reason. But since now everyone is waiting, you might as well suck it up and show us what you've got. It's already blacklisted by Microsoft, so the only thing left to loose is credit for your work. I suppose I should be impressed if you're not after fame, so please prove me wrong and release it anonymously
Seriously, just release this hack, or some more info. At least your work can't be stolen once you give it away to the world for free! Sure, it might be used for things you don't like, by people you despise. But does it really matter? It will also make a lot of people happy and entertained, and we can get to work developing all sorts of things.
p.s. If my xbox is going to brick, it's gonna be from failing to install linux, not microsoft's stupid patch. I'll be waiting optimistically for some development on this front.
Post by: HotKnife420 on August 12, 2009, 08:57:00 PM
QUOTE(Norco @ Aug 13 2009, 03:12 AM)
Whether the system runs a PowerPC or Intel chip has no bearing on whether it can run OS X. It's all about the bios. Mac's don't use a bios, it's called an EFI, which is why you have to do some OS X patching to get it to run on hackintosh's.
It's really more like "load some kexts/delete some kexts" rather than actual patching. In fact, I bought a board with an Atom 330 on it that is a mostly vanilla install; I only needed about 5 kexts total and it works just like a normal Mac would (including updating). The only thing extra is the bootloader (you can choose from a few; I went with Chameleon, of course).
I really see no reason why the same thing couldn't be done with an open Xbox 360 and a PPC version of Leopard.
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 12, 2009, 10:13:00 PM
Post by: scuba156 on August 12, 2009, 11:22:00 PM
You have been warned multiple times, this has gone on long enough. Calm down or don't post, simple (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)
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Post by: lllsondowlll on August 13, 2009, 12:43:00 AM
QUOTE(xc1234 @ Aug 13 2009, 02:44 AM)
i dont give a damn about an xex u moron. the point of this exploit is for us to be able to run linux from boot and have *full* hardware access while in it. stop talkin like u kno shit, u friend of a friend of the guy who made the exploit. do something productive with ur life other than leaking secrets.
Wat.
That quote wasn't even directed at you it was directed at leo or if you are leo then you have multiple accounts which is against the rules...
As for leaking secrets I am the guy keeping things from being leaked but the things I take care of are completely unrelated to this thread. More flamebait. Posts like these are what is making this thread uncivilized and causing stir on the forum.
Post by: scottylans on August 13, 2009, 06:25:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxhackern00b @ Aug 13 2009, 09:11 AM)
woo! finally!!!, think of the possibilities for homebrew on the 360 after all that was done with the xbox
i cant wait
Too little and too late, plus the Xbox 1 was easier for PC geeks to develop on due to the nature of the hardware.
This hack isn't going to be anything big, mark my words.
Post by: iwanttheagrocrag on August 13, 2009, 08:19:00 AM
Post by: FalconLTD on August 13, 2009, 09:02:00 AM
if it is released, well thats good. Thats one step for man.
if it is not the we will have to wait again. and those who updated, just wait to a next hack.
I dont even have a gold subscription, so I hardly go online. So waiting, for me, is nothing really.
remember just last week, the only 360s that could have been hacked were the non-hdmi.
but anyway, this is good news. finally homebrew can be run even without kk exploit. Media apps like xbmc should be interesting (hope they release it). I never had a xbox 1 to use or hack, so im curious.
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Post by: KR4ZYMAN on August 13, 2009, 11:33:00 AM
Post by: malgorium on August 13, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
Post by: jmc15john on August 13, 2009, 01:53:00 PM
Post by: lllsondowlll on August 13, 2009, 02:48:00 PM
QUOTE(FalconLTD @ Aug 13 2009, 04:02 PM)
finally peace. since I started reading this thread, everyone has been fighting. no need for that. this is a community, lets get along.
if it is released, well thats good. Thats one step for man.
if it is not the we will have to wait again. and those who updated, just wait to a next hack.
I dont even have a gold subscription, so I hardly go online. So waiting, for me, is nothing really.
remember just last week, the only 360s that could have been hacked were the non-hdmi.
but anyway, this is good news. finally homebrew can be run even without kk exploit. Media apps like xbmc should be interesting (hope they release it). I never had a xbox 1 to use or hack, so im curious.
You shouldn't have to worry because according to detox it is looking like there is going to be a release but only from tmbinc and its only going to be a portion of the exploit the full thing is still in development and rather or not that gets released is still out in the open.
Post by: Mhawk134 on August 13, 2009, 03:21:00 PM
Hawk
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Post by: M3ntally!LL on August 13, 2009, 03:55:00 PM
QUOTE(MFD @ Aug 11 2009, 05:55 PM)
Actually, for me, it is more a matter of convenience - granted it doesn't take much effort, but it is kindof a nuissance to have to get up and put the actual disc in the drive (whether you own it or not).
Right now, the entire concept of loading games onto the HD is virtually useless (in my opinion) - yes, it saves a few seconds here and there during bootup and between levels and what not, but to me, that is hardly worth the expense of having to buy a larger hard-drive. The only thing this "feature" does, in my opinion, is help Microsoft justify the need for their larger, more expensive hard drives, even though in reality there is very little benefit to having the big drive (this may change with Games on Demand and the like, but at this point, there is little need for a large hard-drive).
Now if you could load the games onto the hard-drive one time and then just put the discs away and never have to hassle with them again, that would be a feature that was worth-while.
If they just had a (weekly?) disk verification...
As in, you can install to the HDD and play without the disk for like a week or 2. Then after the 'expiration', you try to boot the game like normal from the HDD... you would be prompted to pop in the original game disk. After the disk verification you can enjoy the game without the hassle of messing with the disk (well, until the next time verification needs to happen of course).
Only problem with this idea is you can go to blockbuster and rent a game, give it back, and you'd still enjoy it for a while. But if you ask me that is a small price to pay when you compare that to the possibility that hackers will find their way around security and M$ is completely f*cked (inevitable and is happening right now).
Just my 2cents about that one.
-MentallyILL
This post has been edited by M3ntally!LL: Aug 13 2009, 11:08 PM
Post by: Geen Rommel on August 13, 2009, 09:46:00 PM
QUOTE(M3ntally!LL @ Aug 13 2009, 11:55 PM)
If they just had a (weekly?) disk verification...
As in, you can install to the HDD and play without the disk for like a week or 2. Then after the 'expiration', you try to boot the game like normal from the HDD... you would be prompted to pop in the original game disk. After the disk verification you can enjoy the game without the hassle of messing with the disk (well, until the next time verification needs to happen of course).
The Xbox 360 doesn't hold it's time/date when you pull out the power plug.
Post by: Mhawk134 on August 14, 2009, 01:11:00 AM
QUOTE(Geen Rommel @ Aug 13 2009, 10:46 PM)
The Xbox 360 doesn't hold it's time/date when you pull out the power plug.
And? I don't unplug my 360 everytime I use it heck rarely do i ever. I like the idea but it will never happen with Microsoft.
Hawk
Post by: cydol on August 14, 2009, 02:58:00 AM
Post by: yonsje on August 14, 2009, 05:15:00 AM
I just updated my 360 a couple of hours ago
Post by: FalconLTD on August 14, 2009, 07:26:00 AM
My opinion on the homebrew, there will be just the software released to run the homebrew and then other people should release homebrew for the specific purposes. Like releasing windows(software) and word 2007 as homebrew. Cant wait
Post by: X-hacker on August 14, 2009, 08:42:00 AM
Remember that guy that sued microsoft cos his xbox burned his house down? Faulty/overheating PSU?
Post by: DChalo on February 02, 2020, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: Mhawk134 on August 14, 2009, 08:44:00 PM
QUOTE(TheSchonk @ Aug 12 2009, 07:55 AM)
Hi, My dashboard version is 8495. Is it hackable?
No man ya need a new one.
Hawk
Post by: jhaydy98 on August 14, 2009, 10:49:00 PM
Post by: red_ring_of_box on August 14, 2009, 11:01:00 PM
Post by: Mhawk134 on August 14, 2009, 11:36:00 PM
QUOTE(DChalo @ Aug 14 2009, 09:33 PM)
Does this mean we can .MAP mod halo 3?
Wow just wow, eventually yes. Right now when it first gets released no.
Hawk
Post by: fatvince on August 15, 2009, 02:25:00 AM
Post by: Mhawk134 on August 15, 2009, 02:41:00 AM
Hawk
Post by: matyus on August 15, 2009, 04:57:00 AM
QUOTE(Mhawk134 @ Aug 15 2009, 09:41 AM)
I would get a second xbox. The only thing holding a full hack back are people that are afraid that it will get out of control. But it's going to happen one way or another now, just wish I could jump a couple months down the road so that all these stuff could be already out.
Hawk
i agree with you mate
Post by: RolF2 on August 15, 2009, 05:52:00 AM
http://free60.cvs.so...txt?view=markup
Post by: dsavage on August 16, 2009, 11:13:00 AM
but yea like the other guy said, i wish we had a time machine to see what comes of this in the near future.
i guess we all just have to wait.
very interesting tho.
Post by: Xoxide on February 03, 2020, 06:52:00 AM
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Post by: Poopchute on August 20, 2009, 01:33:00 AM
On a side note. I seem to have Kernel 2.0.7371.0 Is this bad for doing this homebrew mod? Should a person wait and maybe the mods will be better and more all in one after a little development???
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Post by: suhas93 on October 29, 2009, 07:29:00 AM
any hopes for ppl who have fallen into the trap??
please say yes
Post by: thethinker360 on October 29, 2009, 09:28:00 AM