Post by: Xbox-Scene on June 14, 2007, 10:54:00 PM
360GameSaves Announces GameSave Resigner - Bypass Revocation List Posted by XanTium | June 15 00:18 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
| We received this news from Team 360GS: Quote
Note that the GameSave Resigner is NOT online atm as 360GameSaves is being moved to a new server to handle the processing power needed to handle the online resigner. The current ETA is 'within 1 week', but we'll let you know here once it's online of course! Official Site: www.360gamesaves.com |
Post by: PerfectGun on June 14, 2007, 09:55:00 PM
If MS went so aggresive after the modders hopefully they will catch these folks and ban them from live all together. Luckily a gamesave user is easly spotted by examining their played games and get immediately put on my lame list.
Post by: ephesith on June 14, 2007, 10:40:00 PM
Education:
Work Experience:
Degrees:
XBL Gamer score: 12506
Let them hack it if it makes them feel better about themselves.
Post by: Software2 on June 14, 2007, 10:17:00 PM
"I hate that site and its owners. They seriously suck.
Post by: tgm4883 on June 14, 2007, 11:11:00 PM
Post by: XanTium on June 14, 2007, 11:46:00 PM
Post by: sickwrathchild on June 14, 2007, 11:50:00 PM
Post by: bidomo on June 14, 2007, 11:41:00 PM
QUOTE(ephesith @ Jun 15 2007, 06:40 AM) 
Who cares about gamer score. It's not like you can put that on the bottom of your resume
Education:
Work Experience:
Degrees:
XBL Gamer score: 12506
Let them hack it if it makes them feel better about themselves.
ha ha, nice
There's no point in hacking achievements because this could be one of the sources for the massive banning of people, but I think they do this for fun, the end user decides to use it or not
I don't like this either for the record
Post by: Rustmonkey on June 14, 2007, 11:56:00 PM
Post by: mace1337 on June 15, 2007, 01:03:00 AM
It could be intercepted, or maybe 360gamesaves gets hacked, or maybe 360gamesaves can't be trusted?
I am gonna wait for the offline version. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
Post by: pirichios on June 15, 2007, 12:29:00 AM
QUOTE(XanTium @ Jun 15 2007, 07:46 AM)
actually ... MS designed gamesaves so they could be shared (Xbox360 memory card) ... if gamesaves can raise your gamescore, blame the bad programming of game developers and not gamesave sharing sites.
I agree a 100%
Post by: sicknasty413 on June 15, 2007, 01:24:00 AM
Idk..I never really followed that.
Post by: vicious6969 on June 15, 2007, 02:34:00 AM
To the guy who talked about resigning XBL stuff, I can see a use for that legitamately.
I have one console upstairs and one downstairs. I can't seem to get my XBLA games working on the other console even though I sign in using my XBL gold account that i paid for the game with!!
It's put me off buying XBLA games, if i actually BUY the game, surely I should be able to play it on any console that I own? Unless there's another legit way of doing it that i dont know about but I can only play demos of the full games on my other console.
To sicknasty:
Yes, you can unlock acheivements with it if you do it correctly. If you don't do it properly the save will either be corrupt or will let you use the save but not unlock achievements...
Post by: The Zep Man on June 15, 2007, 04:51:00 AM
QUOTE(Rustmonkey @ Jun 15 2007, 08:32 AM)
Hmmm... it would be interesting to see if this could be applied to live content in order to share b/w two consoles - much like having a console with unmodded firmware and one with modded in order to still be able to use your backups and access live content for them --> I'm not condoning piracy, I'm just wondering if this makes it possible... if a mod feels the need to remove my post, I understand
Post by: wans on June 15, 2007, 06:30:00 AM
As many of you clearly dont know, the 360 uses whats called PIRS containers for storing pretty much anything on your 360 HDD, saves, demo's, video marketplace content, everything. Now as stated each container is digitally signed with a per box keyset, this is in place primarily to prevent you distributing copyrighted content and also acts to stop you placing user created content on the HDD.
Lets say for example that a software exploit was theoreticly discovered tomorow. This exploit, pretty much like teh 007AUF or Mechassualt exploits from previous xbox needed to be ran from either a HDD or Memory card. Without a resigner, the exploit would be rendered useless as the save file would be corrupt on every one elses console.
Although at the minute, this is limited to making gamesaves work on different consoles, make no mistake it is a step forward for the scene, and I for one am gratefull of there work.
Post by: BoNg420 on June 15, 2007, 06:03:00 AM
Post by: bill16504 on June 15, 2007, 07:25:00 AM
Or how about this... how many of you have posted/read in a achievement thread "MS should convert my gamerscore into MS points" or what not.
Well... nothing positive will ever happen with your gamerscore as long as there are people cheating with their gamerscore. I'm sure MS would have more challanges, contests, maybe offer points, etc, etc, if it weren't for those a$$holes over there on 360gamesaves.
Bottom line... MS is all about the $$$. So if they could generate more cash by getting you to buy new games and raising your gamerscore, they would. But as it stands right now in regards to being rewarded for your gamerscore, nothing will happen.
This post has been edited by bill16504: Jun 15 2007, 02:25 PM
Post by: twistedsymphony on June 15, 2007, 07:07:00 AM
I don't follow the 360 game save stuff closely, it's unclear to me what this means in terms of game saves... Does this mean game saves from before last falls update will work again? or is it simply a way for those who had their consoles black listed to share saves again? Even more cryptic then this news is the one on 360 game saves own site
To people who bash 360Gamesaves and the team over there
These people are doing important work... PERIOD these advances while related to game save sharing also make HUGE steps forward in terms of understanding the Xbox 360's security system and bring us that much more closer to doing things like running homebrew (XBMC emulators etc.)
If you're giving the "F-U" to 360gamesaves you're giving it to the same hackers that are on the front line bringing us closer to XBMC and emulators on the 360.
Just because their tool and be aberrated to help people cheat with achievements doesn't mean that's all they stand for.
It's like they're building baseball bats... just because a lot of people are buying them for weapons doesn't mean they can't be used for other GOOD things.
Honestly I wish they'd close the Achievement section of their forums I really don't understand why they ever opened it as it quashes a lot of their credibility... but on a whole I think they're doing much more good then harm.
I don't hate anyone who tries to break down barriers in the system, that's what Xbox-Scene is all about.. Hate the people who uses those advances to cheat and ruin your gaming experience.
you're essentially blaming the gun company for people who are killed by guns.
Post by: quall on June 15, 2007, 07:52:00 AM
Post by: HP Sauce on June 15, 2007, 07:49:00 AM
QUOTE(XanTium @ Jun 15 2007, 06:46 AM)
actually ... MS designed gamesaves so they could be shared (Xbox360 memory card) ... if gamesaves can raise your gamescore, blame the bad programming of game developers and not gamesave sharing sites.
Are you serious? Such a naive viewpoint from an Admin, of all people. MS did not intend for saves to be shared in ANY sense of the word, whatsoever. Yes, it is their fault entirely for not enforcing security around such a thing, but to imply they are meant to be shared with other Xbox users in this context is simply ludicrous. Without the gamesave sharing sites, there would be less cheating muppets found in the community, so whether they like it or not they have to share some blame.
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jun 15 2007, 02:43 PM)
To people who bash 360Gamesaves and the team over there
These people are doing important work... PERIOD these advances while related to game save sharing also make HUGE steps forward in terms of understanding the Xbox 360's security system and bring us that much more closer to doing things like running homebrew (XBMC emulators etc.)
These people are doing important work... PERIOD these advances while related to game save sharing also make HUGE steps forward in terms of understanding the Xbox 360's security system and bring us that much more closer to doing things like running homebrew (XBMC emulators etc.)
Those people's works would be put to much, much better use if they were intent on purely showing MS what they're doing wrong, but this is in no way the case, sadly. The foundation of that site is purely to cheat gamerscore, nothing honourable at all can be blagged in their case. Fair enough if they're advancing knowledge of 360's security, but they're putting in to use in the worst way possible.
Tara.
Post by: maniacaltwitch on June 15, 2007, 08:20:00 AM
QUOTE(bill16504 @ Jun 15 2007, 08:25 AM)
Any of you remember that "Old Spice Challange" MS had awhile back? The winners were based on their added gamerscore during a certain period.
Or how about this... how many of you have posted/read in a achievement thread "MS should convert my gamerscore into MS points" or what not.
Well... nothing positive will ever happen with your gamerscore as long as there are people cheating with their gamerscore. I'm sure MS would have more challanges, contests, maybe offer points, etc, etc, if it weren't for those a$$holes over there on 360gamesaves.
Bottom line... MS is all about the $$$. So if they could generate more cash by getting you to buy new games and raising your gamerscore, they would. But as it stands right now in regards to being rewarded for your gamerscore, nothing will happen.
well fyi if you game saved to do that you were inelligable
QUOTE(HP Sauce @ Jun 15 2007, 09:25 AM)
Are you serious? Such a naive viewpoint from an Admin, of all people. MS did not intend for saves to be shared in ANY sense of the word, whatsoever. Yes, it is their fault entirely for not enforcing security around such a thing, but to imply they are meant to be shared with other Xbox users in this context is simply ludicrous. Without the gamesave sharing sites, there would be less cheating muppets found in the community, so whether they like it or not they have to share some blame.
Those people's works would be put to much, much better use if they were intent on purely showing MS what they're doing wrong, but this is in no way the case, sadly. The foundation of that site is purely to cheat gamerscore, nothing honourable at all can be blagged in their case. Fair enough if they're advancing knowledge of 360's security, but they're putting in to use in the worst way possible.
Tara.
all i can say is moron
Post by: Syc on June 15, 2007, 09:27:00 AM
QUOTE(HP Sauce @ Jun 15 2007, 10:25 AM)
Are you serious? Such a naive viewpoint from an Admin, of all people. MS did not intend for saves to be shared in ANY sense of the word, whatsoever. Yes, it is their fault entirely for not enforcing security around such a thing, but to imply they are meant to be shared with other Xbox users in this context is simply ludicrous. Without the gamesave sharing sites, there would be less cheating muppets found in the community, so whether they like it or not they have to share some blame.
Those people's works would be put to much, much better use if they were intent on purely showing MS what they're doing wrong, but this is in no way the case, sadly. The foundation of that site is purely to cheat gamerscore, nothing honourable at all can be blagged in their case. Fair enough if they're advancing knowledge of 360's security, but they're putting in to use in the worst way possible.
Tara.
I really don't see why this upsets alot of people as the same could be said about firmware flashing.
Post by: maniacaltwitch on June 15, 2007, 10:25:00 AM
Post by: rooter75 on June 15, 2007, 10:56:00 AM
Post by: Illumi.Naughty on June 15, 2007, 11:03:00 AM
I am still waiting for some more xbox360 hacking advancements in the scene before I buy a 360. Then I'll have one modded and one for live.
By that time hopefully all the BS cheaters are gone, but chances are they will ony become more prevalent.
BYW- Nothing against firmware flashers, I just wanted to jump on that bandwagon of haters as it rolls by.
This post has been edited by Illumi.Naughty: Jun 15 2007, 06:04 PM
Post by: Deihmos on June 15, 2007, 11:20:00 AM
QUOTE(maniacaltwitch @ Jun 15 2007, 12:25 PM) 
immature...................... gamesaving hurts no one, i wonder if flashing your firmware to play"BACKUPS" does??????????????????????????? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
I agree. Flashing does more damage than gamesaves and that is a fact. i remember MS offered some kind of competition regarding gamerscores but because of this junk i doubt it will ever happen again. I saw this dude with a gamerscore of over 100,000 and his profile said he never played any of the games. lol
Post by: bucko on June 15, 2007, 10:52:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jun 15 2007, 02:43 PM)
Serious question about the resigner:
I don't follow the 360 game save stuff closely, it's unclear to me what this means in terms of game saves... Does this mean game saves from before last falls update will work again? or is it simply a way for those who had their consoles black listed to share saves again? Even more cryptic then this news is the one on 360 game saves own site
To people who bash 360Gamesaves and the team over there
These people are doing important work... PERIOD these advances while related to game save sharing also make HUGE steps forward in terms of understanding the Xbox 360's security system and bring us that much more closer to doing things like running homebrew (XBMC emulators etc.)
If you're giving the "F-U" to 360gamesaves you're giving it to the same hackers that are on the front line bringing us closer to XBMC and emulators on the 360.
Just because their tool and be aberrated to help people cheat with achievements doesn't mean that's all they stand for.
It's like they're building baseball bats... just because a lot of people are buying them for weapons doesn't mean they can't be used for other GOOD things.
Honestly I wish they'd close the Achievement section of their forums I really don't understand why they ever opened it as it quashes a lot of their credibility... but on a whole I think they're doing much more good then harm.
I don't hate anyone who tries to break down barriers in the system, that's what Xbox-Scene is all about.. Hate the people who uses those advances to cheat and ruin your gaming experience.
you're essentially blaming the gun company for people who are killed by guns.
Well said, certainly agree.
Post by: Reaper527 on June 15, 2007, 11:54:00 AM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jun 15 2007, 09:43 AM)
because their tool and be aberrated to help people cheat with achievements doesn't mean that's all they stand for.
just to expand on this point for everyone, this is very similar to when the firmware hacks came out for the 360. tons of people were running around saying "this is terrible, its just hurting the scene as only a pirate cares about it". then, almost a year later, that hack allowed the hypervisor exploit to be discovered/used to run linux on the 360.
don't take scene progress at face value, as one thing builds on another to create the big picture.
Post by: Deihmos on June 15, 2007, 12:49:00 PM
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Jun 15 2007, 02:30 PM)
just to expand on this point for everyone, this is very similar to when the firmware hacks came out for the 360. tons of people were running around saying "this is terrible, its just hurting the scene as only a pirate cares about it". then, almost a year later, that hack allowed the hypervisor exploit to be discovered/used to run linux on the 360.
don't take scene progress at face value, as one thing builds on another to create the big picture.
i can assure you that not many people cared about that linux thing. Whenever it was posted the forum responses never got off the first page but when you post a new Hitachi firmware it goes over 50 pages.
Post by: quall on June 15, 2007, 01:18:00 PM
only people who don't have xbox live, do not use updates, and have an older console version can use that exploit. It is a minority amongst the minority of people who even know about it. there is a big difference.
linux was an example of the exploit he was talking about. just because you will not use it or because it is not popular, does not mean it will not contribute to the scene. having access to the system through linux will only help people understand how the 360 works. it probably allows them to poke hardware much easier as well.
This post has been edited by quall: Jun 15 2007, 08:19 PM
Post by: wans on June 15, 2007, 12:51:00 PM
QUOTE(Deihmos @ Jun 15 2007, 08:49 PM)
i can assure you that not many people cared about that linux thing. Whenever it was posted the forum responses never got off the first page but when you post a new Hitachi firmware it goes over 50 pages.
Not many people cared as it couldnt be used with the latest kernel and there was no feesable downgrader. I honestly dont see how some clearly uneducated folk are bashing 360GS for this IMO monumental achievment.
From MS's standpoint the Linux hack was evidently the most dangerous hack to them finacially speaking. I mean 400 bucks for a triple core 3.6ghz computer is a steal, its also a computer that cant run windows ( for the time being ). A linux box cant access live so dosent need to use MS points or pay for a live service.
Firmware hacks at least give ms some money back, even from dreaded pirates paying for the odd game expansion and there annual live subscription.
Gamesaving for easy achievments, is off the radar as it dosent really take away from MS cashflow, you still need teh gamedisc to do this remember. Also, i cant understand why people are up in arms about the minority that use gamesaves for this reason, as already stated gamerpoints mean nothing anyhow. They dont make you a better person or bring you in an income, whats the problem?
Ive had my console since launch, and have a massive 15k or there abouts in gamerpoints. If i get an achievment when im playing thats cool, if i dont thats cool too, im sure many people out there have had many hours of enjoyment achievment hunting, i am not one of them.
Also, a nice little fact to back up my claims, it took MS 6 days to fix the hypervisor exploit, around 8 months to make a revoke list and a year to ban modded firmware.
Post by: Software2 on June 15, 2007, 02:24:00 PM
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jun 15 2007, 08:43 AM)
It's like they're building baseball bats... just because a lot of people are buying them for weapons doesn't mean they can't be used for other GOOD things.
Right now, there's only one practical purpose for this. Yes, it might become useful in the future if/when opportunities present themselves, but for now this only serves to aid those that want to cheat.
Post by: kevhonda on June 15, 2007, 03:39:00 PM
Post by: roguetel on June 15, 2007, 06:36:00 PM
QUOTE(vicious6969 @ Jun 15 2007, 09:34 AM)
I have one console upstairs and one downstairs. I can't seem to get my XBLA games working on the other console even though I sign in using my XBL gold account that i paid for the game with!!
It's put me off buying XBLA games, if i actually BUY the game, surely I should be able to play it on any console that I own? Unless there's another legit way of doing it that i dont know about but I can only play demos of the full games on my other console.
I want to play my XBL games on my offline consoles, too! The current methodology is abusive to paying customers, and once again when XBL content can be re-signed the honest consumer will be punished and the homebrew community will flourish.
When will these people learn DRM gamesaves, DRM purchased games and movies hurt the honest guys, too. A lot more than it hurts the pirates actually.
Post by: Hopeful on June 17, 2007, 12:18:00 AM
If that's the reason some have beef with this tool/site, then look, get bent.
Instead of painstakingly racking that 50,000 extra points to impress people you don't know (who don't even care unless they're spanking YOU) you could be relaxing with the story and good parts of each game then moving on.
It's not like someone's gonna remember your name over gamerscore.
Newsflash. Many save-users don't care about gamerscore, though maybe it happens as a side effect. Some enjoy using saves for the speed/invigoration, even if they DO have the skil to do it themselfl. Anyone thinking that's not possible/happening/acceptable has a simple and prejudiced mind.
It's crap that gamerscore wipes out actual additions to gaming (like pro action style saves), over score-fights.
People who cry over others enjoying these things need to shelf that. Different strokes for different folks. People should be able to use pro action replay saves and still go live. To crap with ms gamerscore. The only thing that proves your skill is actually beating the other guy in the moment.
That site is innovative and helpful, and deserves respect. Get over it.
Post by: poopsickle on June 17, 2007, 10:38:00 PM