Post by: Surrido on July 05, 2006, 02:46:00 AM
would it be possible to start a BOINC project for getting the xbox 360 key?
BOINC website
what do you think????
Post by: gonkle on July 05, 2006, 02:56:00 AM
it would be easier and cheaper to hire some Mi5 Agent who steals the key direct at the M$ HQ
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Post by: Surrido on July 05, 2006, 02:56:00 AM
what source code do you mean?
@ gonkle: why should it be so hard. this is a very hard key, but with enough computing power it can be done.
Post by: Surrido on July 05, 2006, 03:02:00 AM
http://boinc.berkele...source_code.php
Post by: Surrido on July 05, 2006, 03:05:00 AM
any other helpers welcome!
Post by: Surrido on July 05, 2006, 03:56:00 AM
using BOINC to crack keys
Post by: gonkle on July 05, 2006, 05:18:00 AM
Post by: Surrido on July 05, 2006, 05:39:00 AM
Post by: Textbook on July 05, 2006, 10:15:00 AM
Post by: bonevichio on July 05, 2006, 12:05:00 PM
I've taken some excepts from previous threads (You should do some forum searching).
http://forums.xbox-s...hp/t469197.html
In a nutshell: if you multiplied the number of computers on the planet by a trillion, and made them all a trillion times faster, and networked every single one of them together and used the resultant cluster to try to brute-force RSA... it wouldn't take millions of years. It wouldn't take billions of years, it wouldn't take trillions of years. It would take unimaginably more than a googol googol years. Even if every single subatomic particle in the universe were in actuality a computer a trillion times faster than today's computers, and even if all of them were networked into one gigantic cluster, it would still take many many times longer than the total age of the universe to complete.
The sheer genius of RSA-2048 encryption is that it is a googolplex times easier to easier to create a keypair than it is to crack the resultant signature. The numbers are so big that it would probably take the lifetime of the universe to find them. Unless you start from the position of knowing what the two factors are, you'll never live to see the encrytion broken, no matter how much you apply Moore's Law. It didn't happen on the X-Box 1, and it probably won't happen on the X-Box 360
I'm tired of copy & pasting....just read the whole thread.
Post by: Havok on July 05, 2006, 12:54:00 PM
I was about to post the same thing but you did such a good job only one thing left to say...
Ain't gonna happen.
Post by: Surrido on July 06, 2006, 02:21:00 AM
one MIPS year is 30 * 10^12 instructions.
a 3GHz PC has 109 Instruktions/Second = 103 MIPS = 1 GIPS
it needs for a MIPS year 8 hours 20 minutes
we need 1015 MIPS years. that means that 1015 2Ghz PCs will find a 2048 bit key in 8 hours and 20 minutes....
those are the numers for factoring a key.
if you can factor the key you can easyly find the correct key. that would mean that it is borken and you can make unauthorised signatures...
did i make a mistake somewhere?? sounds to easy.... please help
IF we had a way to make a cluster / distrubuted computing project with THOUSANDS of PC, we will have the key before the universe blows up
Edit: we dont have a real time system here. we can crunch on ONE key for as long as it takes
Post by: Surrido on July 06, 2006, 02:47:00 AM
what happened to project x????
Post by: Havok on July 06, 2006, 08:52:00 AM
RSA512 needs 8000 MIPS-years, and RSA2048 requires
9 x 10^15 times as much.
So you need 7.2 x 10^19 MIPS Years for a 2048 bit key...
You quoted 1015 MIPS Years.. you are only off by a factor of 100,000,000,000,000,000.
Post by: Surrido on July 07, 2006, 02:29:00 AM
where did u get your calculations from?
what about probabilities? we dont need to find the key at the end of the search. we can find it earlier...
all u need is a strong CPU network. i dont know how big xbox community is, but i think it should be feasible to get a million users. with current CPU power available we would have a hell of computing power.
Post by: No_Name on July 07, 2006, 09:17:00 AM
Its not the answer, its just not fesiable to think about
Post by: Havok on July 09, 2006, 12:42:00 AM
They are the experts in crypto.. elsewhere on their site:
http://www.rsasecuri...ode.asp?id=2088
RSA-512 was brute forced in 1999. By estimation RSA-1024 will be brute forced in 2037
RSA-512 took about 2 years to crack.
Thus,
576 bits will take 10.9 times as long as RSA-512 and require 3.3 times the memory.
768 bits will take 6100 times as long as RSA-512 and require 77 times the memory.
1024 bits will take 7 million times as long as RSA-512 and require 2650 times the memory.
2048 bites will take 9 x 10^15 times as long as RSA-512 and require 9 x 10^7 times the memory
To put this in perspective, it would require about 1.4 billion 500 MHz machines, each with about 170 Gbytes of memory to do the sieving for a 1024-bit number in the same time as RSA-512.
And it is not linear.. it does not take 1/3 the number of machines if they were 1.5Ghz.. it trakes more then that...
Post by: crystalgeek on July 10, 2006, 12:08:00 PM
Post by: No_Name on July 10, 2006, 12:33:00 PM
Its just not going to happen and this topic should never have gotten to 2 pages.
I wish someone would close it off once and for all and make a sticky saying its never going to happen
Post by: rooter75 on July 10, 2006, 02:45:00 PM
by me... oh wait i'm not a Mod or even an unofficial Mod... oh crap it stays open.
Post by: SuRgEx360 on July 13, 2006, 03:38:00 AM
that seems fair enough. iam sure MS woudl like to see what people can realy do with the xbox360 other than have it just play games.
Post by: BCfosheezy on July 13, 2006, 08:07:00 AM
QUOTE(SuRgEx360 @ Jul 13 2006, 04:45 AM) 
what woudl be nice and i dont think this will ever happen is for MS to to change there current public key for retail games to run. and stop this DVD firmware hack too and send us an update to allow homebrew, no i dont meen pirated games because that would be a bad thing. but giving us the option to run homebrew would be nice. but if you fudge up your xbox in running homebrew then you cant get support on your xbox360.
that seems fair enough. iam sure MS woudl like to see what people can realy do with the xbox360 other than have it just play games.
that seems fair enough. iam sure MS woudl like to see what people can realy do with the xbox360 other than have it just play games.
It will never happen. Our software can potentially compete with official MS software. We don't pay licensing fees or worry about legal trouble since our software was never legal to begin with. If it ran legally on MS xbox that means trouble for someone... but who? Ms isn't going to take any of these chances. They want to control our xbox experience so they can collect every possible penny.