Post by: Xbox-Scene on June 27, 2006, 01:40:00 PM
| Look what we received today from an anonymous, but trusted, source ... (IMG:http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/b00yeah/whatavalaunch_s300.jpg) Look what's running in the background ... (IMG:http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/b00yeah/surrealwho_s300.jpg) Look what's running in the background ... (IMG:http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/xbox360/b00yeah/thatsbig_s300.jpg) That's a big HD ... |
Post by: crackhbob on June 27, 2006, 12:50:00 PM
Post by: destroysbc on June 27, 2006, 12:51:00 PM
but now the question is where do we get this
Post by: photoman on June 27, 2006, 12:51:00 PM
Post by: slipstream on June 27, 2006, 12:51:00 PM
Post by: destroysbc on June 27, 2006, 12:53:00 PM
Post by: MikeSkiX on June 27, 2006, 12:53:00 PM
let the floodgates begin
LOL
Post by: monkeyflungpoo on June 27, 2006, 12:54:00 PM
Post by: PrOpANe on June 27, 2006, 12:56:00 PM
Post by: feflicker on June 27, 2006, 12:56:00 PM
Surreal64 on the 360, I can't wait!
Post by: smartygre1 on June 27, 2006, 12:56:00 PM
Post by: yaazz on June 27, 2006, 12:56:00 PM
Post by: JibbaJabba` on June 27, 2006, 12:57:00 PM
Post by: digitalhigh on June 27, 2006, 12:57:00 PM
My heart says "Yaaay, DEVIL360 IS REAL!!"
But my brain says "Yeah, I could make those in photoshop in about thirty seconds."
I'd like to see more ss's of this, with the other parts of the xbox-guide. Show me browsing through achievements with 007 hilighted on the Surreal X screen. Then I'll be a little bit more of a believer.
Post by: THE CRAZY SHADOW on June 27, 2006, 12:58:00 PM
*I THINK the Xbox 360 will say shut down controller even if there wired because i belive you have to turn them on ????
Post by: DynaMight on June 27, 2006, 01:00:00 PM
Post by: psychogoblin on June 27, 2006, 01:01:00 PM
Post by: m82a1 on June 27, 2006, 01:01:00 PM
http://pictures.xbox...h/surrealwhojpg
TO
http://pictures.xbox.../surrealwho.jpg
kinda of hard to beleive tho
Post by: sadalius on June 27, 2006, 01:03:00 PM
Post by: THE CRAZY SHADOW on June 27, 2006, 01:04:00 PM
Post by: Klutsh on June 27, 2006, 01:04:00 PM
Whoever did this MUST be a really good programmer (possibly with access to Avalaunch source-code), to get the current release of Ava working with the 360's network hardware is one hell of a task.
Post by: PimpLou22 on June 27, 2006, 01:04:00 PM
Post by: Skinback on June 27, 2006, 01:05:00 PM
Post by: xprezz on June 27, 2006, 01:06:00 PM
Post by: pmrush on June 27, 2006, 01:07:00 PM
Post by: Rileq on June 27, 2006, 01:07:00 PM
QUOTE(psychogoblin @ Jun 27 2006, 12:08 PM) 
I thought xbox emulation required a lot of work. What are the odds that the xbox 360 xbox emulator could actually run avalaunch without modification? Doesn't MS have trouble trying to emulate different xbox games on the 360?
Well, the Xbox games are harder because of GPU calls to an Nvidia chip that no longer exists. It has to be faked, thus the emulation. (I'm sure there's other things, but I'm betting that's the main reason.)
Post by: deltasniper4 on June 27, 2006, 01:07:00 PM
thx
Post by: the joker on June 27, 2006, 01:07:00 PM
And I doubt x-s would post it if they had even as much as a single doubt in the sources. I don't see any reason this have to be fake.
Post by: ventline on June 27, 2006, 01:07:00 PM
Post by: sofa king dumb on June 27, 2006, 01:10:00 PM
QUOTE(THE CRAZY SHADOW @ Jun 27 2006, 08:05 PM)
Well my guess i that, some one has been working on a skin for Avalaunch to incorporate the tabs like the 360 (just like the xbmc skin, that being why you cant "Shut down the Controller" and that they have such a large harddrive. They must have waited untill after the last dash update because there was never a "Question mark" image near the shut down screen.
*I THINK the Xbox 360 will say shut down controller even if there wired because i belive you have to turn them on ????
i have a wired contorller and they dont say turn off controller
edit: about 5 people beat me to it
Post by: PC_Arcade on June 27, 2006, 01:11:00 PM
Post by: DiStUrBeD.xBoX on June 27, 2006, 01:11:00 PM
Post by: subten123 on June 27, 2006, 01:12:00 PM
Post by: splat on June 27, 2006, 01:12:00 PM
Post by: johnnyrico on June 27, 2006, 01:13:00 PM
Post by: sadalius on June 27, 2006, 01:14:00 PM
Post by: Guerrilla on June 27, 2006, 01:15:00 PM
because apperently you are a member of team avalaunch, moderator here and you got 1300 or so posts, you seem very trustworthy. dont get me wrong i really want to believe but its just so damn hard. homebrew on the 360 would be way too good to be true !yet!
. But wtf, ill just try to have faith
Post by: payam on June 27, 2006, 01:15:00 PM
then download the pictures and open it op with notepad or word.
if you see the words "ducky" or something like that, then its photoshopped.
i tried to download a picture myself but it ends up as a black pixel.. wierd.
Post by: fretster on June 27, 2006, 01:15:00 PM
QUOTE(DiStUrBeD.xBoX @ Jun 27 2006, 11:18 AM)
Think about this, how did they take a screenshot of this? its more likely photoshoped, if it were real they would take pictures with a digital camera to show the xbox 360 by the tv to prove its real it's a bunch of BS
If you're running it through a TV tuner it's incredibly easy to do. When I was using my EyeTV with my Mac I would take SSs and videos of games all the time. Since then I've bought a 32" HD LCD though, so I'm using that at the moment
Post by: krims0n on June 27, 2006, 01:16:00 PM
QUOTE(DiStUrBeD.xBoX @ Jun 27 2006, 02:18 PM)
Think about this, how did they take a screenshot of this? its more likely photoshoped, if it were real they would take pictures with a digital camera to show the xbox 360 by the tv to prove its real it's a bunch of BS
Not that I believe this is real, but in theory if he had avalaunch running it would also be possible for him to be taking screenshots such as on xbox1.
Post by: whereisevox on June 27, 2006, 01:16:00 PM
also... it can be anonymous and trusted if xs knows the person but doesnt want to release their name
Post by: THE CRAZY SHADOW on June 27, 2006, 01:19:00 PM
QUOTE(stezo2k @ Jun 27 2006, 08:24 PM)
i want to see a video before i believe anything....
Ya that be nice, but to me videos are easier to fake, all you need is editing time
Post by: Kazimieras on June 27, 2006, 01:19:00 PM
Even if someone got a larger hdd to work on the 360 no way they would have been able to port over avalaunch AND sureal
I think someone needs to get a new trusted source.
Post by: smalls92 on June 27, 2006, 01:19:00 PM
not knocking x-s at all their are alot of smart peps here but the info is only as good as the person supplying it.
Post by: djzzib on June 27, 2006, 01:20:00 PM
Post by: Vegita on June 27, 2006, 01:20:00 PM
Post by: ereet1 on June 27, 2006, 01:21:00 PM
i'd love xmbc even if it was xbox1 mode it could be fast enough to play hd xvids
Post by: the joker on June 27, 2006, 01:21:00 PM
QUOTE(Guerrilla @ Jun 27 2006, 09:22 PM)
@the joker:
because apperently you are a member of team avalaunch, moderator here and you got 1300 or so posts, you seem very trustworthy.
Oooo, you're not nailing me to this. ( aint even got a 360 ) I'm as surprized as you are, but xant have never let me down before. If this was photoshopped, he would never have posted it.
QUOTE(krims0n @ Jun 27 2006, 09:23 PM)
Not that I believe this is real, but in theory if he had avalaunch running it would also be possible for him to be taking screenshots such as on xbox1.
Actually no. Ava would have taken pic of whatever underneath the menu. That much I know. ( different framebuffer )
Post by: xboxr on June 27, 2006, 01:22:00 PM
Post by: Adam6 on June 27, 2006, 01:23:00 PM
Post by: jtom617 on June 27, 2006, 01:23:00 PM
QUOTE(PimpLou22 @ Jun 27 2006, 08:11 PM)
How can a source be both anonymous and trusted?
good call man, but i think its been time already for some devel360? Oh well, dont hate guys, appreciate. Well see if its real in no time at all. All we need is a leaky pipe
Post by: sabbath_dude on June 27, 2006, 01:23:00 PM
Post by: paparazzi360 on June 27, 2006, 01:25:00 PM
nice photoshop though...
Post by: The Juggler on June 27, 2006, 01:26:00 PM
Can't you also view pictures on your TV from the 360? So, couldn't you be viewing a picture of the Avalaunch Menu and then access the shutdown command? Wouldn't that give you the exact same screen as shown?
Photoshop is another easy method.
Plus, someone mentioned the whole anonomous AND trusted source?!?! It can't really be both can it?
But, IF it is accurate, it means that Avalaunch or Surreal are running on top of the 360 dashboard. (Since it is the 360 Dashboard that allows you to access the shutdown command and runs in the background during games.) I'd be more impressed with a whole new OS running on the 360, not just one being emulated on the 360.
Post by: Exodus989 on June 27, 2006, 01:26:00 PM
No ducky's in the hex.
Post by: the joker on June 27, 2006, 01:27:00 PM
Post by: whereisevox on June 27, 2006, 01:27:00 PM
Post by: gBOX on June 27, 2006, 01:28:00 PM
Post by: Brouhaha on June 27, 2006, 01:28:00 PM
QUOTE(Chosen1 @ Jun 27 2006, 03:22 PM)
But in all honesty, I think this is just the Xbox 360 skin for XBMC on an Xbox 1.
-Chosen1
Yeah sure.
<sarcasm>
We all know the Xbox is multithreaded and that XBMC can run in the background while running games or other apps.
</sarcasm>
Photoshops are more likely... But I also wanna beleive!
Post by: D-BlooD on June 27, 2006, 01:29:00 PM
QUOTE(smalls92 @ Jun 27 2006, 07:26 PM)
i think it's total bullsh*t i looks more like a modified version of blackbolt i have searched numerous places and haven't found a 450+ gig 2.5 drive. as for x-s posting it what about the chip that they posted for the 360 that turned out to be total bs?
not knocking x-s at all their are alot of smart peps here but the info is only as good as the person supplying it.
Who said it is a 2.5 drive?
--
D-BlooD
Post by: Chosen1 on June 27, 2006, 01:30:00 PM
QUOTE(The Juggler @ Jun 27 2006, 03:33 PM)
Can't you also view pictures on your TV from the 360? So, couldn't you be viewing a picture of the Avalaunch Menu and then access the shutdown command? Wouldn't that give you the exact same screen as shown?
You certainly can view pics from your pc on the screen, then access the shutdown menu. That sounds like a winner to me.
-Chosen1
Post by: gerzand on June 27, 2006, 01:30:00 PM
QUOTE(Guerrilla @ Jun 27 2006, 07:10 PM)
bigger hd? probably! over 450GB 2,5"HDD? absolutely impossible! why does x-s post such obvious fakes? come on, you cant just compile xbox code to 360, so why in hell should there be an exact copy of the xbox avalaunch, and surreal64? quit playin with our feelings and dont post devil360/other homebrew shit without even giving us any reason to believe...
Who said it had to be a 2.5''. Duh... um... SATA is universal! 3.5'' perhaps?
Their power source for +12v and +5v for example could come from somewhere else or the 360's own power supply off the motherboard 
Post by: sabbath_dude on June 27, 2006, 01:31:00 PM
QUOTE(dts51 @ Jun 27 2006, 08:33 PM)
i think blackbolt has incorparated all the 3rd party programs. so you can browse roms without leaving xbmc. and then added a new page for hard drive info.
That sounds more likely!. That would explain the "Xbox Homebrew and Larger HD on Xbox 360 - Is it possible?" headline. If they knew it was possible and from a "trusted" source then they would say so wright?.
Post by: yosuckamoefoe on June 27, 2006, 01:32:00 PM
Also, there is a hard cast shadow from the blade over the Surreal lettering...which is not present for the rest of the blade. Again, easier to avoid a gradient layer interaction with a hard line over transparencies.
Working with photoshop all day for my job, I would have to lean towards this as being a fake.
Also, for something this big in our "scene" I would assume someone would provide better screenshots without so much compression on the jpg...it destroys all credability.
Post by: ModdingManiac on June 27, 2006, 01:32:00 PM
QUOTE(the joker @ Jun 27 2006, 12:14 PM)
And I doubt x-s would post it if they had even as much as a single doubt in the sources.
I don't see any reason this have to be fake.
Really..How about devil 360..I think X-Scene is trying to hard to get traffic this way with some useless news lately.
Post by: whereisevox on June 27, 2006, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on June 27, 2006, 01:34:00 PM
im hopeful... just hope it has something to do with the firmware hack.
Post by: jtom617 on June 27, 2006, 01:34:00 PM
QUOTE(decapkris @ Jun 27 2006, 08:40 PM)
I am in a bit of a dilemma. On one hand, I love this site, the mods do a great job and I trust them. However on the other hand there is something fishy about those pics. I mean it would be a hard enough job to crack the box let alone port avaluanch etc to it in such short time (unless they cracked it a while back but why not say something ealier...devel 360 related??).
I think Ill just sit on the fence here.
may i sit with you?
Post by: Ubiquitous Dead on June 27, 2006, 01:36:00 PM
1. If someone Spectacullary did find out how to do it, WHY on earth modify half the dashboard and keep the Guide? (If this was even possible - which i kinda dont believe)
2. Whats with the HD ? Thats a pic (again) on the normal dashboard ? So what the hell is the big deal?
Now i haven't been in the forums for a long time, but ive been on xscene for ages and this just sucks oO Same with the devil 360, i mean, ok, if its real, ill be the first one to buy it, but hell until then, im getting sick of real/unreal pic's and shit.
Anyway...Modding half the dashboard *head shaking* sure...
Post by: jtom617 on June 27, 2006, 01:38:00 PM
QUOTE(Ubiquitous Dead @ Jun 27 2006, 08:43 PM)
Now, what i was thinking about...
1. If someone Spectacullary did find out how to do it, WHY on earth modify half the dashboard and keep the Guide? (If this was even possible - which i kinda dont believe)
2. Whats with the HD ? Thats a pic (again) on the normal dashboard ? So what the hell is the big deal?
Now i haven't been in the forums for a long time, but ive been on xscene for ages and this just sucks oO Same with the devil 360, i mean, ok, if its real, ill be the first one to buy it, but hell until then, im getting sick of real/unreal pic's and shit.
Anyway...Modding half the dashboard *head shaking* sure...
or if you think about it, its being emulated from backwards compatable, and the power menu allways shows no matter what games in. I think we will all find out...
EDIT: LOL TO THE POST BELOW,, LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Post by: MoNeY_MaN on June 27, 2006, 01:39:00 PM
Post by: Dragonface on June 27, 2006, 01:39:00 PM
QUOTE(decapkris @ Jun 27 2006, 09:40 PM)
I am in a bit of a dilemma. On one hand, I love this site, the mods do a great job and I trust them. However on the other hand there is something fishy about those pics. I mean it would be a hard enough job to crack the box let alone port avaluanch etc to it in such short time (unless they cracked it a while back but why not say something ealier...devel 360 related??).
I think Ill just sit on the fence here.
yeah .. and also an irc-client and emulators... ehh
Post by: Ubiquitous Dead on June 27, 2006, 01:41:00 PM
Post by: Staple on June 27, 2006, 01:43:00 PM
xbox scene is starting to be a gossip magazine they should confirm what they find before posting it like that on the main page i could photoshop a xbmc picture maybe ill get on the main page?
just like devil360
Post by: Dragonface on June 27, 2006, 01:43:00 PM
but im guessing if someone was able to run anything homebrewish on the 360 it would be something extremly simple .. like a filebrowser ir something... replacing the dashboard isnt the first thing that comes to mind ...
Post by: CreziB on June 27, 2006, 01:45:00 PM
Post by: []-[]ooDLu[]v[] on June 27, 2006, 01:46:00 PM
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Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on June 27, 2006, 01:49:00 PM
lets let it ride out, and if it turns out to be fake... then bitch.
Post by: Kells on June 27, 2006, 01:49:00 PM
QUOTE
how can an anonymous but trusted source be both?
It means that the author most likely want's to remain anonymous, but x-s knows and respects them as such.
Post by: dohopoki on June 27, 2006, 01:51:00 PM
Post by: Ubiquitous Dead on June 27, 2006, 01:51:00 PM
http://pictures.xbox...ne.com/xbox360/
Post by: CreziB on June 27, 2006, 01:53:00 PM
The past few months, I feel like a pawn in some xbox-scene consumer advertising/hype scheme.
WTF? Just get to the point.
Post by: sabbath_dude on June 27, 2006, 01:54:00 PM
QUOTE
-[]ooDLu[]v[]' date='Jun 27 2006, 08:53 PM' post='3505623']
he said "trusted" so i believe him...but im sick of all these ppl denying every bit of news...too many ps3 fanboys here ...
he said "trusted" so i believe him...but im sick of all these ppl denying every bit of news...too many ps3 fanboys here
...Three low quality pictures and a headline that reads "Xbox Homebrew and Larger HD on Xbox 360 - Is it possible?" the key part being "Is it possible?". What do you expect?. Going by the headline XS are also unsure if its possible!.
Post by: the joker on June 27, 2006, 01:56:00 PM
xantium have been burned as many times as you have. Don't you think he'd make sure it's real before so photoshoppable pics on the frontpage ??
I'm convinced it's real. Xantium have never let me down the amount of years I've known him. Furthermore I see no reason why ava wouldn't run in an emulated enviroment, and I can guarantee you that it's not been ported to x360.
Post by: dutch nelson on June 27, 2006, 01:57:00 PM
For one,
The font is wrong.
For two,
The background in the last picture is from the XBMC 360 skin and not from the original dash.
Post by: Staple on June 27, 2006, 01:57:00 PM
im gonna boot my xbox with my wired controller an see if that middle button is not there ill post my findings
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on June 27, 2006, 01:58:00 PM
QUOTE(the joker @ Jun 27 2006, 03:03 PM)
few seem to consider a few facts.
xantium have been burned as many times as you have. Don't you think he'd make sure it's real before so photoshoppable pics on the frontpage ??
I'm convinced it's real. Xantium have never let me down the amount of years I've known him. Furthermore I see no reason why ava wouldn't run in an emulated enviroment, and I can guarantee you that it's not been ported to x360.
wow.. strong words.. i dont know you, but you sound convinced...
getting a little more hopeful.. still hoping its fw, which i doubt, if at all possible.
Post by: Ronu on June 27, 2006, 01:59:00 PM
Post by: Looouky on June 27, 2006, 01:59:00 PM
Post by: Scott84 on June 27, 2006, 01:59:00 PM
Could be from a dev kit. dev kits use bigger HD's.
But it could more then likely be fake.
But a bigger HD will happen, as soon as someone figures out how.
Post by: speedy_g on June 27, 2006, 02:00:00 PM
" anonymous, but trusted, source ..."
There's no such thing... if you wanna be anonymous you'd like to specific what you have done, so that
people will take you seriously.
As mentioned above, this has nothing to do with xbox 360, but why not make it clear that
it is for first generation xbox? 15 minutes of fame perhaps?
Do you know why most of the modding action is happening on a another "respected site" now?
Because xbox-scene forum is like a pen pall swapping site with no audition, we're teens hang out.
I wrote this not because i want to whine, but because I feel saad that once good atmosphere for enthusiast has
vanished like ash in the wind.
Hope this kind of pictures without any content don't get publised in future.
ps. either someone has just learned to use photoshop or has made it for xbox 1 as mentioned before.
Post by: blaziantiger on June 27, 2006, 02:00:00 PM
QUOTE(digitalhigh @ Jun 27 2006, 08:04 PM)
Dude...I'm torn.
My heart says "Yaaay, DEVIL360 IS REAL!!"
But my brain says "Yeah, I could make those in photoshop in about thirty seconds."
I'd like to see more ss's of this, with the other parts of the xbox-guide. Show me browsing through achievements with 007 hilighted on the Surreal X screen. Then I'll be a little bit more of a believer.
i agree
Post by: jamie123 on June 27, 2006, 02:02:00 PM
and someone said about remaining anonymous..i don't think he remained anonymous to x-scene, otherwise they would not have posted it..but probably wanted to remain anonymous to the public
Post by: the joker on June 27, 2006, 02:02:00 PM
QUOTE(CreziB @ Jun 27 2006, 10:00 PM)
The past few months, I feel like a pawn in some xbox-scene consumer advertising/hype scheme.
WTF? Just get to the point.
WTF? Just get to the point.
if this was advertising, wouldn't it have some names attached to it in order to gain something on it ?
Post by: Staple on June 27, 2006, 02:04:00 PM
i still dont see the shading under the 451 gigs free thou there is white shading i tried it on all my tvs an my lcd and i dont see the white shading under the numbers almost like a shadow effect in the picture there.
Post by: whereisevox on June 27, 2006, 02:04:00 PM
i got xbmc booted on my 360...i erased the original m$ dash and put xbmc on here
YEA RIGHT what the fuck are you guys stupid all he did was open a picture on the 360...
Post by: feflicker on June 27, 2006, 02:07:00 PM
Why would Xanta post anything if he thought for 1 second it was fake. It would be so easy to fake this, he HAS to have a good reason for trusting it.
Post by: fezzman on June 27, 2006, 02:08:00 PM
QUOTE(The Juggler @ Jun 27 2006, 08:33 PM)
It just seems to easy to Fake.
Can't you also view pictures on your TV from the 360? So, couldn't you be viewing a picture of the Avalaunch Menu and then access the shutdown command? Wouldn't that give you the exact same screen as shown?
That is EXACTLY what I was thinking. Either they are viewing a screenshot from an Xbox on the 360, or they actually saved it as the background. Then just pulled up the shutdown menu. This way the pics actually aren't photoshopped and would appear authentic.
I'm not at my 360 but when the shutdown menu is selected, does it eliminate the text options from the main screen? I'd like to try to replicate that using a screen from Ava. It still doesn't explain the picture showing the hdd space though.
Post by: Staple on June 27, 2006, 02:09:00 PM
QUOTE(feflicker @ Jun 27 2006, 04:14 PM)
Of course the source is only anonymous to the public, not to X-S. That is how they are both "anonymous", and "trusted".
Why would Xanta post anything if he thought for 1 second it was fake. It would be so easy to fake this, he HAS to have a good reason for trusting it.
i sure hope so xboxscenes credability is on the line
Post by: kev4e15 on June 27, 2006, 02:12:00 PM
Post by: theoatmealguy on June 27, 2006, 02:12:00 PM
QUOTE(The Juggler @ Jun 27 2006, 12:33 PM)
It just seems to easy to Fake.
Can't you also view pictures on your TV from the 360? So, couldn't you be viewing a picture of the Avalaunch Menu and then access the shutdown command? Wouldn't that give you the exact same screen as shown?
'The Juggler' that was a good point you made so i went to go do it
look guys i hack my 360
but im gonna say its real and lets hope its real
ps-i dont have the best dazzle in the world so dont talk about me lol
Post by: feflicker on June 27, 2006, 02:13:00 PM
QUOTE
i sure hope so xboxscenes credability is on the line
I agree with you. If this turns out to be B.S., this might be the last straw for me beleiving anything posted here thesedays.
Post by: ModdingManiac on June 27, 2006, 02:13:00 PM
Post by: Dawg605 on June 27, 2006, 02:14:00 PM
QUOTE(feflicker @ Jun 27 2006, 04:20 PM)
I agree with you. If this turns out to be B.S., this might be the last straw for me beleiving anything posted here thesedays.
Same here. This is so fake it's not even funny.
Post by: CreziB on June 27, 2006, 02:16:00 PM
Post by: LiGhTfasT on June 27, 2006, 02:17:00 PM
Post by: Angerwound on June 27, 2006, 02:17:00 PM
It's running in emulation mode so it's not full homebrew but avalaunch is in fact running on the console.
Post by: Staple on June 27, 2006, 02:18:00 PM
Post by: buttface96 on June 27, 2006, 02:19:00 PM
Post by: nxname on June 27, 2006, 02:20:00 PM
FAKE COMO UNA CASA.
in english
FAKE AS LIKE A HOUSE.
Post by: yamaha_power on June 27, 2006, 02:21:00 PM
Post by: Staple on June 27, 2006, 02:23:00 PM
if anyone was in the dss buisness a couple years back you know that was alot of hype around there hacks and products.
Post by: xzenor on June 27, 2006, 02:24:00 PM
Post by: CreziB on June 27, 2006, 02:25:00 PM
I'm going to see if I can run photoshop on the 360.
Post by: chilin_dude on June 27, 2006, 02:41:00 PM
QUOTE(PimpLou22 @ Jun 27 2006, 08:11 PM)
How can a source be both anonymous and trusted?
X-S knows who they are - but they want to remain anonymous.
QUOTE(EGOvoruhk @ Jun 27 2006, 08:14 PM)
How can you have an anonymous trusted source?
Did you mean that you guys know who it is, but they chose to remain anonymous?
Bingo.
QUOTE(the joker @ Jun 27 2006, 08:14 PM)
450gb would work with an adapter mate
And I doubt x-s would post it if they had even as much as a single doubt in the sources. I don't see any reason this have to be fake.
Agreed.
Post by: Textbook on June 27, 2006, 02:51:00 PM
Post by: Staple on June 27, 2006, 02:54:00 PM
Post by: pholly on June 27, 2006, 02:56:00 PM
Post by: Alex548 on June 27, 2006, 02:57:00 PM
QUOTE(quarky42 @ Jun 27 2006, 01:27 PM)
How about a new poll for the front page of the site? The poll that is on there has been there forever. I suggest: "Do you think X-S has been posting crap with little or no proof lately?" or "Has X-S gone down the drain like some have suggested?"
I think I would choose the option that says: "Where are we going and why are we in this hand basket?" meaning X-S may not be total crap yet... there is still some interesting news that comes through here, but I am having an increasingly harder time trusting what I read here.
It's NEWS. Nothing more, nothing less.
Xbox-scene doesn't need your permission to post scene related news on their site. Whether the news posted is total BS or legit, it's all just NEWS. You read it and decide for yourself what to believe. XS doesn't have to provide "proof" of anything... it's just the freakin' NEWS.
Post by: Carcharius on June 27, 2006, 02:57:00 PM
Post by: geebee on June 27, 2006, 02:58:00 PM
QUOTE(Textbook @ Jun 27 2006, 09:58 PM)
But here's my question: Avalaunch is closed-source, the only people who would have the source code is the Avalaunch Team. Why would you port over a closed source app when XBMC is open source and highly documented?
maybe someone on the Avalaunch team with access to the source did it then?
That would be sweet....but unlikely maybe?
Post by: Staple on June 27, 2006, 02:58:00 PM
and the servers were flooded again because of a bogus news post
Post by: gunrave on June 27, 2006, 02:59:00 PM
the update added the question mark ontop if u want to shut down ur xbox 360 now the update also added a small A button symbol next to the HDD or MEM card and its not there meaning this is a skin and it was not even done right its hard to explain but everyone with an xbox and a hdd go to the memory screen and go look at ur HDD it has a smalla A button next to the HDD in teh picture right?
my mem card has it and its the latest update that put that there so0 yeaa its an Xbox with a XMCE Skin that 360 one
HELP ME OUT PPL n tell me if im right cuz im pretty sure i got this one down!
Post by: B1ZKIT on June 27, 2006, 05:40:00 PM
Post by: Vayate on June 27, 2006, 05:42:00 PM
Anyway, if it happens and I see it, that's awesome. If not, eh. Right now this is just hype, and I don't care about hype -- I care about results.
EDIT: PS, don't go bashing Alex. He knows what he's talking about.
Post by: Xombe on June 27, 2006, 05:44:00 PM
Post by: epsilon72 on June 27, 2006, 05:44:00 PM
what would be the chances of M$ finding a quick and permanent fix with an update to a security hole in the xbox1 emulation?
Post by: Alex548 on June 27, 2006, 05:45:00 PM
Post by: Xombe on June 27, 2006, 05:45:00 PM
You don't think someone who does indeed accomplish something neat for the 360 someday will remain anonymous forever, do you?
Post by: Syc on June 27, 2006, 05:46:00 PM
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Post by: quarky42 on June 27, 2006, 05:47:00 PM
QUOTE(sincitykid @ Jun 27 2006, 05:47 PM)
DAMN....
No one wants to listen to the Avalaunch Mod; no one wants to listen to the XS Mod; or the Avalaunch website; or the Xecuter site!?!?!
I'd *love* to listen to them if any of them had the brass to stand up and say how they knew it was real when everyone else can see how it could be faked. Sure they might have more information... tell us that much "We have more information that we can't release right now, but we are pretty sure it is real" would be a heck of a lot better than "it's real, believe us because we think it is real."
I don't mind the larger groups asking us to trust them... if they would actually ask us to trust them and base it on something a little more concrete...
Post by: Alex548 on June 27, 2006, 05:47:00 PM
QUOTE(epsilon72 @ Jun 27 2006, 04:51 PM)
For the sake of having a few posts that are actually constructive on this thread as opposed to "it's fake, it's fake! wah wah wah!",
what would be the chances of M$ finding a quick and permanent fix with an update to a security hole in the xbox1 emulation?
With their ability to upgrade & patch the console via Xbox Live, I'm pretty sure they'll try to find some way to stop any hacks once they've been proven to exist... especially if this is through the emulation side of things.
Post by: AfGhAnGsTa on June 27, 2006, 05:49:00 PM
QUOTE(Xombe @ Jun 27 2006, 07:51 PM)
Deep Throat was anonymous...
Haha.. Deepthroat.. classic perverted name in the Watergate Scandal.
Post by: Alex548 on June 27, 2006, 05:50:00 PM
QUOTE(AfGhAnGsTa @ Jun 27 2006, 04:56 PM)
Haha.. Deepthroat.. classic perverted name in the Watergate Scandal.
I heard Monica Lewinski was doing some of that as well.
Post by: pdottz on June 27, 2006, 05:51:00 PM
and whats with people giving credit to team xecutor already?
i'm about to start handing out kneepads and chapsticks to those posters.
or even better yet, lock the thread and wait for more news.
Post by: sincitykid on June 27, 2006, 05:51:00 PM
QUOTE(Alex548 @ Jun 27 2006, 03:57 PM)
I heard Monica Lewinski was doing some of that as well.
LOL...political humor
Post by: RiotShift on June 27, 2006, 05:54:00 PM
kLoWn IS RELEASING THIS IN TWO WEEKS!!
Post by: ka-b00m on June 27, 2006, 05:55:00 PM
I can do that in photoshop too... want a tutorial...
Post by: DOS4GW on June 27, 2006, 05:55:00 PM
QUOTE(Lightning|Striker @ Jun 28 2006, 12:02 AM)
It's fake.
Open BOTH pictures at the exact same time and look at the side blade.
The "distortion" from the JPG compression is EXACTLY the same. Only way to possibly do that is use a low res picture and then edit and save as a higher quality one.
Look for yourself.
Overlay them in photoshop, or zoom in on this.
Why speak about something you know so little - or nothing - about? You cant possibly have the slightest idea about how the JPEG image compression works can you?.. And the whole low res edit save thing - oh dear!
I would be suspicious if they werent the same.
Post by: Alex548 on June 27, 2006, 05:56:00 PM
QUOTE(Limmmao @ Jun 27 2006, 04:58 PM)
Ok, I'll transalate this from the web "elotrolado.net" a serious web about consoles in Spain:
Hacked the xbox 360 Kernel's security (confirmed)
It all appeared as a fake, but te declarations of certain webs and forums like Avalaunch, Team-excecuter and xbox-scene, and old members of these forums, confirms with their declaration that it is true. This is no fake.
This is still bellow an unusual secretism, but for what I've read I've comed to the conclusion that the Kernel's hack is in an exploit in the emulation system of the xbox 1 in the 360. That's why the screen-shots of the apps that have been appearing, are running under xbox-1-
It's like they've achieved to run (Maybe with an non published exploit of the xbox?), a no-signed code from the xbox 1 in the 360
This is not so hard to belive, since the work that M$ has done with the emulation of the xbox, is simply that: Emulate. Y with the quantity of xbox games that are now emulated, and precisely, when they've develpoed those games, they didn't have in mind that it'll run also under an emulated system, nor they had in mind at the begining the first bakes (sorry is spanish from SPain and I'm from Argentina, is not quite the same language), nor they knew the meaning or the use of exploits, this give the posibility to exploit them in this new console
This could be what the people from devil360 meant when they said something about a hole in the syste, but I thought that that was going to be about Hardware, not software.
This doesn't mean that now we are limited to run software based on intel (xbox 1) on the 360. On the contrary if they've taken control over the xbox emulator, then they've also taken control of the entire 360
That's similar to the info I've been finding.
Everything is pointing to an emulation exploit.
It'd be nice to get more details though.
BTW, can you provide a direct link to this information?
The latest news on their front page is about T-shirts (not the 360).
Post by: sincitykid on June 27, 2006, 05:57:00 PM
QUOTE(Alex548 @ Jun 27 2006, 04:03 PM)
That's similar to the info I've been finding.
Everything is pointing to an emulation exploit.
It'd be nice to get more details though.
Give it 18 hours or less. This will be great on Wall St.
Post by: mr_sheen on June 27, 2006, 06:01:00 PM
(okay speculation for speculations sake, but its better than "I could photoshop this, it must be fake")
Post by: ka-b00m on June 27, 2006, 06:02:00 PM
Yeap Photoshop can be fun... But i hope its true that someone found a hole in the 360... Just joking...
PS: Why are the first two pictures smaller than the third?
Post by: RiotShift on June 27, 2006, 06:05:00 PM
OH THANK YOU GREAT kLoWn
Post by: Vayate on June 27, 2006, 06:05:00 PM
QUOTE(ka-b00m @ Jun 27 2006, 08:09 PM)
Fake
Internet Explorer fails.
Anyway, if there really is an emulation exploit then for once I have a reason to buy a 360. N64/PSX games not limited by processing power or RAM... such a wonderful thought.
We'll see how this pans out though. A certain amount of skepiticism is always healthy -- just make sure you don't go overboard with the immediate "it's fake! No, it's real!" stuff. Either way you're setting yourself up for disappointment -- better to just roll with the punches and decide to wait and see.
Post by: i800phyco on June 27, 2006, 06:05:00 PM
Saw your edit.
Me play nice now.
Post by: cosism on June 27, 2006, 06:08:00 PM
QUOTE(sincitykid @ Jun 28 2006, 12:47 AM)
U R
SOFA KING
WE TODD ED...
Danger Doom's Sofa King?
One of the best albums ever!!!!
Post by: mr_sheen on June 27, 2006, 06:08:00 PM
QUOTE(i800phyco @ Jun 28 2006, 01:12 AM)
@ka-b00m
Yea we know it's eazy to fake.
Wow your smart.
ka-b00m now thinks you regard him as smart.
Post by: RaFaMp on June 27, 2006, 06:09:00 PM
QUOTE(Limmmao @ Jun 28 2006, 01:12 AM)
http://www.elotrolad...threadid=572761
http://www.elotrolad...threadid=572873
Foros = Forums.
But I doubt you can understand anything...
i speak spanish, and that news don't tell nothing, just reporting the news posted here
Post by: xboxexpert on June 27, 2006, 06:09:00 PM
-xboxexpert
Post by: dougMod on June 27, 2006, 06:13:00 PM
QUOTE(ka-b00m @ Jun 27 2006, 06:09 PM)
Fake? Looks real to me!
Yeap Photoshop can be fun... But i hope its true that someone found a hole in the 360... Just joking...
PS: Why are the first two pictures smaller than the third?
you in link boks? hahahha
Post by: retrogamer4life on June 27, 2006, 06:13:00 PM
RetroGamer4Life
Post by: Alex548 on June 27, 2006, 06:13:00 PM
QUOTE(Limmmao @ Jun 27 2006, 05:12 PM)
http://www.elotrolad...threadid=572761
http://www.elotrolad...threadid=572873
Foros = Forums.
But I doubt you can understand anything...
Thanx for the links. Don't worry... I speak the language.
Post by: bLiTz 2k on June 27, 2006, 06:15:00 PM
Second of all, a few people said something about the turn off controllers option in the guide...once again if you have a WIRED controller that option is NOT there...just as battery life isnt displayed.
Post by: quarky42 on June 27, 2006, 06:16:00 PM
English: I've tested it, and with JPEG compression, the portion of two images that matches will have exactly the same artifacts (assuming the same level of compression).
This means that the comparing of jpeg artifacts (noise) is not a legit means of comparison. Sorry, I retract my earlier statement about comparing the noise blocks... (it was just an idea and it was presented as only an idea and it asked for other people to correct me if they knew otherwise)
Post by: i800phyco on June 27, 2006, 06:16:00 PM
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jun 27 2006, 09:24 PM)
It's real......
It's running in emulation mode so it's not full homebrew but avalaunch is in fact running on the console.
And the things he's done, I trust him.
QUOTE
Scene Contributions:
JMXToolz | FuckMS | DDE
Forza Cab Extract | 360GameSaves.com
Softmod Team Contributions:
XBOXHDM | NKPatcher | UDE | UXE
Post by: brandvegn on June 27, 2006, 06:20:00 PM
Post by: xzenor on June 27, 2006, 06:20:00 PM
TO XBOXEXPERT
Awwwww...(squeezes facecheeks). It's ok...no harm done because of ur tiny abuse of power.
In all seriousness, I wish I could've said it; but it wouldn't have had the same "PWN3D" feel to it.
People are just asking to get banned aren't they?
Post by: LESTAT on June 27, 2006, 06:20:00 PM
and since they are all xbox1 screnes it really only leaves us with 2 options.
fake using the insystem jpeg viewer.
or
real, using a new exploit in the xbox 1 emulation system.
if it is real it really doesnt do anything other than provide a way to run xbox 1 stuff. okay... not sure that is really of any use
and it also opens the door to go deeper into running xbox360 code or exploits.
but i think we are still a very very long way off from any xbox360 software hacks/exploits. the software key involved here is insane and at this point in the lifecycle of computers is impossible to crack.
its interesting, but hard to believe, even for the most hardcore xbox lover.
we will just have to wait and see in the upcoming days what happens.
but know that the xbox emulation system is updatable and will undoubtably be fixed immediately via live if this an xbox 1 emulation hack.
the whole firmware thing. i dont know of a way they could possibly detect that as being on somones xbox.
if they could detect it they would have started to ban people already.
or. they would sit back and see how far it goes and then fix it, then start banning people.
its tough to say but lets just sit back and ejoy the possibilities.
and lastly.
all the new kids on the block. and i mean new moderators, not new forum-ites. who think its cool to try to blow yourself up like some puffer fish when someone gets in your face. all the childish retarded remarks like "do you know who your talking to ?" "you dare say that to a mod?"
childish assinine shit like that.
all you do is prove your age is no more than 15 and you dont deserve to even have anything to do with the moderation crew.
maybe take a que from the people who gave you that silly little title. you never saw HSDemonz or anyone else in the elder staff EVER act like that did you.
no, i didnt think so.
so take your little b.s. remarks and idle threats. and grow up.
this thread seriously needs to be locked down until further information is released about this possible hack.
Post by: ka-b00m on June 27, 2006, 06:22:00 PM
Still think those pics are fake... i didnt "make" any pictures... the link of the one i posted, with the browser behind, was friend of mine who gave me...
If indeed this is true, and homebrew is running on the 360... Kudos to everyone involved... Great work!
Post by: retrogamer4life on June 27, 2006, 06:22:00 PM
QUOTE(bLiTz 2k @ Jun 27 2006, 05:22 PM)
A few things...first of all people need to stop saying this is the "MC360 skin". If anyone with a clue (or actually HAS a 360 and has seen mc360) they are NOT identicle and are very easy to tell apart.
Second of all, a few people said something about the turn off controllers option in the guide...once again if you have a WIRED controller that option is NOT there...just as battery life isnt displayed.
Exactly People need to stop thinking everything is Fake. This is not Fake. Over the next little while there will be info and maybe sometime soon I might just have to capture a video of me playing my 360 with these features. If someone doesnt get to it before me. THIS IS REAL AND PEOPLE SHOULD JUST BELIEVE IT!
RetroGamer4Life
Post by: Xombe on June 27, 2006, 06:23:00 PM
QUOTE(tester123 @ Jun 28 2006, 09:04 AM)
It's true.
Hey, Xombe... it's been awhile. How's the Xbox doing?
Holy shit.. tester!
Still doing fine, thanks. Been loaned to a friend locally here for sometime now since I finally started doing my own work...
Post by: [email protected] on June 27, 2006, 06:25:00 PM
Why shouldnt it be real? I mean, stranger things have happend
Im keeping my fingers crossed, and i give props to the people working with this, cause it seems very interesting
Post by: wolrahnaes on June 27, 2006, 06:27:00 PM
This also means that it'll be trivial for MS to patch with a BC update, but if we see some public releases of this stuff I'll probably buy another 360 to use it with.
Post by: Maverick0984 on June 27, 2006, 06:28:00 PM
Post by: sausage-n on June 27, 2006, 06:31:00 PM
QUOTE(DOS4GW @ Jun 28 2006, 01:02 AM)
Why speak about something you know so little - or nothing - about? You cant possibly have the slightest idea about how the JPEG image compression works can you?.. And the whole low res edit save thing - oh dear!
I would be suspicious if they werent the same.
why be normal when you can be a Horses ass?
OBVIOUSLY if he can spot macro blocks he DOES have at least slight idea of how JPEG compression works..
And what he said makes total sense, Let me explain:
if i took a picture of you, and photoshop'd a Pic of a horses ass over your head, you might notice one pic to be more lossy... and if the compression artifacts are the same in 2 pics bingo!...
with that being said.. A:If you look really close you CAN see some of the artifacts change.. and B: it would'nt be proof-positive anayway... Interesting theory though...
Post by: [email protected] on June 27, 2006, 06:32:00 PM
Post by: Knocks on June 27, 2006, 06:34:00 PM
Oh right, it could be an emulated Xbox 1 version... of a port... of a Nintendo 64 emulator... for Windows... that barely works on the platform it was written for. Hahaha. Wake up and smell the BS. At the very best this is a new skin for Avalaunch running on Xbox 1.
Post by: c0d3_z3r0 on June 27, 2006, 06:35:00 PM
But it might be fake because all you need to do is take a screen shot of the app running on the Xbox 1 and have the 360 display it and press and hold the guide button to show the guide's option to shut down the console.
and the last screen could be photoshopped, but again if this is true, the people that worked on this have done a good job.
just my 2 cents.
Post by: Mr Clown on June 27, 2006, 06:35:00 PM
QUOTE(Alex548 @ Jun 28 2006, 12:54 AM)
With their ability to upgrade & patch the console via Xbox Live, I'm pretty sure they'll try to find some way to stop any hacks once they've been proven to exist... especially if this is through the emulation side of things.
Looks like we're pretty much back to a font hack level....
No clock loop though
Just don't go live, or wait until we can do dash rollbacks (ala 4920 on XB1)
Congrats once again to the brillaint minds of the scene, you never cease to amaze me
Post by: Alex548 on June 27, 2006, 06:36:00 PM
If you guys missed it, he posted VERY EARLY in the thread and confirmed this to be real.
He even stated it's running in emulation mode which is more information than the XS news page or anywhere else posted.
As the day has gone on we've now seen other dev teams confirm the same thing. Hopefully we'll get some more updates soon from the people who are doing this.
Post by: Lightning|Striker on June 27, 2006, 06:41:00 PM
QUOTE(DOS4GW @ Jun 27 2006, 08:02 PM)
Why speak about something you know so little - or nothing - about? You can’t possibly have the slightest idea about how the JPEG image compression works can you?.. And the whole low res edit save thing - oh dear!
I would be suspicious if they weren’t the same.
Unfortunatly, I've been using graphic editing/Photoshop for the past 4 years. I do know what I am talking about.
I was just pointing out what I noticed. I haven't fully tested it, so I was just stating something I saw. Appologies if I came off wrong. (I was in a rush to go somewhere at the time)
Post by: Bwsk8 on June 27, 2006, 06:43:00 PM
Post by: heraldoffailure on June 27, 2006, 06:47:00 PM
Post by: Cappadonna on June 27, 2006, 07:02:00 PM
Seriously though. The only way people are going to believe this is if you do a video like all of the noobies are telling you to do. Just be sure to let them see the 360, the ac adapter plugged in and the video cable run into the back of the set. Then, set a mirror in front of the TV so you can capture all of the above mentioned items in the same screen. Then maybe people won't say it is fake
I hope this is real. Its just that people here want rock hard proof before they will believe anything.
I just want to be able to play porn360 on my xbo.........Oh yea, I can already.
BTW, l33t speak is soooooooo outdated. Modernize!
Post by: Neilinator99 on June 27, 2006, 07:02:00 PM
maybe that thats a interface for MCE i dont kno w but as far as i know there know button in the 360 like that and Devil360 does not change the Interface.
Post by: Mattssogay on June 27, 2006, 07:02:00 PM
QUOTE(Alex548 @ Jun 27 2006, 08:43 PM)
I'd believe Angerwound before I believe teamXecuter.
If you guys missed it, he posted VERY EARLY in the thread and confirmed this to be real.
He even stated it's running in emulation mode which is more information than the XS news page or anywhere else posted.
Its back on page 10:
QUOTE(Angerwound @ Jun 27 2006, 04:24 PM)
It's real......
It's running in emulation mode so it's not full homebrew but avalaunch is in fact running on the console.
Post by: Agent ME on June 27, 2006, 07:05:00 PM
But the hard drive row is supposed to have the "MS" logo on the right side. That's strange its not there...
Post by: Heet on June 27, 2006, 07:15:00 PM
Who said its a laptop drive? There are lots of 3.5" sata 500's.
Impossible doesn't apply in this community.
Post by: whereisevox on June 27, 2006, 07:15:00 PM
well if this is real...more power to you guys!!!!!!!! niice job
and if its fake, than fuck you guys! lol
Post by: ikecomp on June 27, 2006, 07:16:00 PM
QUOTE(Mattssogay @ Jun 27 2006, 08:09 PM)
Its back on page 10:
I know Angerwound has quite a few posts but why should I believe him over my own scepticism. I trust the mods of this site to not post false news but even they can be fooled every once in a while. I'm not saying that this whole thing is a fake but I think I'll hold the excitement in a little longer until I see something a little more concrete.
Post by: Vegita on June 27, 2006, 07:16:00 PM
Post by: upenox on June 27, 2006, 07:17:00 PM
You are the whiniest bunch of bitches I've ever seen. STFU and let what happens happen. It's better than what you've got now isn't it?
--upen
Post by: DeaDSOuLz on June 27, 2006, 07:18:00 PM
QUOTE(Cappadonna @ Jun 28 2006, 01:09 AM)
I say it's real........just like fairies, unicorns and Lindsay Lohan's boobs
Seriously though. The only way people are going to believe this is if you do a video like all of the noobies are telling you to do. Just be sure to let them see the 360, the ac adapter plugged in and the video cable run into the back of the set. Then, set a mirror in front of the TV so you can capture all of the above mentioned items in the same screen. Then maybe people won't say it is fake
I hope this is real. Its just that people here want rock hard proof before they will believe anything.
I just want to be able to play porn360 on my xbo.........Oh yea, I can already.
BTW, l33t speak is soooooooo outdated. Modernize!
Who cares if they believe it or not?
Post by: Moltdar on June 27, 2006, 07:19:00 PM
And after this little bit of scepticism about the screenshots, i seriously say Kudos to the ones who actually did it! Great job and keep on going you're almost there (or you might totally be there!)
Post by: whereisevox on June 27, 2006, 07:20:00 PM
Post by: XBOX 360 Onwer on June 27, 2006, 07:20:00 PM
And where are the other blades, in the HDD pic?
Post by: whereisevox on June 27, 2006, 07:22:00 PM
Post by: jsrlepage on June 27, 2006, 07:23:00 PM
Post by: XBOX 360 Onwer on June 27, 2006, 07:28:00 PM
QUOTE(whereisevox @ Jun 27 2006, 08:29 PM)
it wouldnt be released because he could get arrested dert der der
Ummmmmm..........i knew that
But why is the HDD pic a larger resolution than the other 2?
Post by: draken333 on June 27, 2006, 07:29:00 PM
QUOTE(Vegita @ Jun 27 2006, 06:23 PM)
OH GREAT NOW I CAN RUN HOMEBREW ON HALF MY SCREEN WHILE THE OTHER HALF SAYS SHUTDOWN
HAHAH, had to laugh at this, thats funny.
Post by: xboxexpert on June 27, 2006, 07:31:00 PM
QUOTE(Knocks @ Jun 27 2006, 09:36 PM)
LOL. The best post in this thread.
I released a giggle when I read this post as well.
Post by: ninja friend on June 27, 2006, 07:35:00 PM
QUOTE
Its very possible that the source is trusted and anonymous. Its like this. XS knows who it is, that person asked to remain anonymous. So XS said Ok we will not post your name or anything that would say you did it. Its that easy.....
Then this "news" should read:
"...a trusted source (which will/prefers to remain anonymous)"
X-S should be conveying to its readers that X-S knows (and trusts) the source of the information, but the decision has been made not to reveal that source at this time. Saying a source is "trusted and anonymous" is contradictory, and friggin stupid. The people pointing this out in this thread are the ones who managed to graduate from high school.
Composing sentences and all that jazz. Something which should probably be done a little better when reporting the so-called "news" in the scene.
And on-topic, put me down for "fake".
Post by: Neilinator99 on June 27, 2006, 07:35:00 PM
Post by: blah101 on June 27, 2006, 07:37:00 PM
ninja friend: JOHNNY DRAMA(love it)
Post by: xboxjason on June 27, 2006, 07:43:00 PM
C'mon people!! Even if this did turn out to be a fake, I take great pleasure knowing that in the meantime M$ is probably freaking out!
Well whomever this trusted source is, I say "GO TEAM!"
~Jason
Post by: cliffy88 on June 27, 2006, 07:44:00 PM
Post by: OpticNurv on June 27, 2006, 07:52:00 PM
Post by: xboxexpert on June 27, 2006, 07:54:00 PM
QUOTE(OpticNurv @ Jun 27 2006, 09:59 PM)
if anyone needs it released, but doesnt wanna risk jail time, send it to me and i'll drop this bombshell down on those bastards of anti-modification!!!!!!!!!!
So your going to risk getting anally violated just for us XS members?! Wow thats the nicest thing anyone's ever done for me...
Post by: edwinmcdunlap on June 27, 2006, 07:55:00 PM
Post by: Pikkon on June 27, 2006, 07:56:00 PM
QUOTE(xboxexpert @ Jun 27 2006, 08:45 PM)
I have no comment at the present moment in time. Maybe you will get something out of me at a latter date but as of now I was instructed to keep my text shut.
I wonder what all the mods are talking about in the Moderator forums.I know alot of people so finding some inside source should be fairly easy.
Post by: Silent Assassin88 on June 27, 2006, 08:00:00 PM
Post by: Lightning|Striker on June 27, 2006, 08:05:00 PM
Xbox 360's dashboard is running in a higher resolution mode then most original Xbox 1 games, remember the console is native High-def. Xbox 1 was not, and could explain the differences in resolution, however I recall that the emulator upscaled the Xbox 1 resolution to native high-def?
Post by: Odb718 on June 27, 2006, 08:05:00 PM
QUOTE(incognegro @ Jun 27 2006, 07:04 PM)
where im from there is a word for this: fuckery!!!
(if ur not jamaican u probably won't get that
)
(if ur not jamaican u probably won't get that
) 
*Odb718 sends a PM to klOwn
and how are we supposed to play the roms when they're all blacked out too!!?? We're gonna have to turn the brightness up on our televisions
Remember when no one knew who was making the N64 emu.... this is sort of like that.... except not impossible.
But what I realy wanna know is, what happend to the N.E.S. Emu that ran on the 360 through the Media PCs and the kiosk disc...
All I can say is
HOLY JIHAD!
btw don't stare at the picture too long... you might see the parts that have been photoshop'd
Post by: xfool2004 on June 27, 2006, 08:15:00 PM
My mom always told me never to trust strangers.
Although I trust xbox-scene, and my hitachi thx all of you.
Post by: Textbook on June 27, 2006, 08:16:00 PM
QUOTE(Textbook @ Jun 27 2006, 04:58 PM)
Just stop the useless posts and wait it out. I never posted in the Devil360 thread, because of what it turned out to be... I hoped by making a "stop all real/fake posts" in this thread, we can keep the page size down to under 15 and not 30-something.
^^Posted on Page 11^^
Why don't you guys ever listen to me?
You just gotta have faith...close it now while it's on Page 29 - before it reaches 30.
Post by: TeRm on June 27, 2006, 08:17:00 PM
QUOTE
Xecuter
that really is a horrible horrible mod :/ (dual firmware)
frankly its useless and a waste of time
just flash your drive - cheaper and easier - or wait until something better comes along
and this devil360 business - they are behind the spiderchip - the worst xbox mod on the market and I can safely say they have absolutley no talent with regards to enabling any kind of unsigned code mod
dont believe anything you see from anyone until its in your hand or if the likes of xecuter smartxx or xodus announce something - which we probably wont.
Post by: OpticNurv on June 27, 2006, 08:19:00 PM
that would be so cool, can anyone say backpacking in amsterdam? lol 
Post by: RiotShift on June 27, 2006, 08:19:00 PM
QUOTE(sincitykid @ Jun 27 2006, 08:15 PM)
Where r u gettin that from???
PS2 and DC emu too???
Don't waste our time...
SOFA KING was awesome...BTW
obvious joke dumbass, you're the idiot.
Post by: janrocks on June 27, 2006, 08:26:00 PM
Sorry, I got fed up at about page 17 and skipped to the end. I don't think I missed much in the meantime.
Concerning buffer overflows. From the specs of the 360 cpu (thanks IBM) it seems that the hardware is hardwired to prevent buffer under/overflows. so that rules that option out. That leaves either the option that this is running avalaunch and surreal64 in emulation mode, or that it is a photoshop fake. Because of the very convincing arguments concerning the jpeg distortion I'm inclined to agree that this is nothing more than another fake. But to be honest..After 29 pages of rubbish with a total of 10 or so relevant posts in it I really have reached the point where I can't be bothered to think of a good answer. Everything I could have possibly said to contribute can be weeded out from other relevant posts.
I would like to believe this is real..but the evidence is overwhelmingly that it is fake. As the title of the news article says "possible ?". So before anybody decides to flame me I'll just say that Xantium covered his back when posting it, probably because it came from a very trusted source but there were concerns held by the staff as to whether this was real or otherwise.. as the ? proves.
Post by: ClintiePoo on June 27, 2006, 08:29:00 PM
QUOTE(Alex548 @ Jun 27 2006, 06:44 PM)
Yeah, it took me countless hours of studying the media during college.
Analyzing mass media law, public relations, and media objectivity and bias.
Yet despite my B.A. on the subject you seem to know much more than I.
Thank you for opening my eyes to the double edge sword that we know as the media.
I would never have seen the light of day if it weren't for your comments.
Sarcasm. That's great. I like a good dose of that once in a while. That guy probably feels 3 feet tall now.
QUOTE(xboxexpert @ Jun 27 2006, 07:16 PM)
This post is aimed at my previous post. Some of you might have read it and thought wow xboxexpert is an *******. I'm sorry.. I was way out of line, I've been reprimanded, and it won't happen again.. That goes toward the person I had quoted and I'm sorry
-xboxexpert
Compunction. This is the classic, "I'm up here, and you're down there. So, do what I say." I'm glad it worked out.
QUOTE(Vegita @ Jun 27 2006, 08:23 PM)
OH GREAT NOW I CAN RUN HOMEBREW ON HALF MY SCREEN WHILE THE OTHER HALF SAYS SHUTDOWN
Humor. This is the best post so far. I'm still laughing.
QUOTE(Textbook @ Jun 27 2006, 09:23 PM)
^^Posted on Page 11^^
Why don't you guys ever listen to me?
You just gotta have faith...close it now while it's on Page 29 - before it reaches 30.
Sensibility. 30 pages of speculation and spam is crazy. "Free posts for everyone. Come one, come all! Jubilee!"
Post by: XBXHKZ on June 27, 2006, 08:29:00 PM
Post by: KILLplaystation on June 27, 2006, 08:29:00 PM
Post by: Vayate on June 27, 2006, 08:32:00 PM
And by "homebrew" I mean "a chipunk."
btw my Photoshop skillz are horrible. Boredom is fun though.
Post by: xboxjason on June 27, 2006, 08:37:00 PM
Post by: cheapo_comp_geek on June 27, 2006, 08:40:00 PM
sooo my conclusion is google and photochop
And the shutdown screen having an exploit...i doubt it. theres nothing in the shutdown screen to exploit...the chances are an exploit would be in omething that calls for a a library or something..
anyways
they are fake, or on different xbox360s
Post by: DiaM0nd99 on June 27, 2006, 08:41:00 PM
QUOTE(xboxjason @ Jun 28 2006, 03:44 AM)
Lol.
I wonder if it's running via Medic center Extender. Like the Nes Emulator and web browser on the 360
Post by: luke3001 on June 27, 2006, 08:42:00 PM
Post by: tijir on June 27, 2006, 08:43:00 PM
Just want to say welcome to the new people, hope you like it here and if you don't shut the f*ck up now, I might track each of you down and duct tape your hands together and beet the ever lovin f*ck out of you. I have read more I am an expert and I know it is fake posts in the past 2 hours than I have read in the rest of my dull life...Gots to be said, this is exciting, I miss some of the features I had on my modded box, I look forward to using them on the 360
Hope it is near though, to release this teaser and then decide to wait another six month would be pure evil.
Post by: WisdomWolf on June 27, 2006, 08:44:00 PM
Post by: edwinmcdunlap on June 27, 2006, 08:46:00 PM
QUOTE(DiaM0nd99 @ Jun 27 2006, 09:48 PM)
I wonder if it's running via Medic center Extender. Like the Nes Emulator and web browser on the 360
Or just viewing a picture?
Post by: smdtherock on June 27, 2006, 08:50:00 PM
possibly devil360? that would be sweet!
Post by: Insipidus on June 27, 2006, 08:52:00 PM
QUOTE(The*galloping*zebra @ Jun 27 2006, 10:56 PM)
The otter swims at midnight
I hear the weather in Moscow is quite pleasent this time of year.
*Continues to feed ducks while exchanging briefcases*
But in all seriousness I just read all 30 pages of this flame pit of a topic and I'm convinced this is a verified hack. It's been backed up by executer, avalaunch and respected mods. However the way they chose to present the evidence of it is bizarre, it's so easy to prove it's real beyond all doubt (e.g a video) so why they released 3 screencaps my gran could have made I don't know. In any case though the pics mean nothing on their own, the endorsements go a long way to validating them.
Anyway, I'd like to be one of the first in this topic to thank the anonymous and trusted source of this hack. Hopefully you can find a way to get it out to the public without being arrested! Good luck to you and Kudos man.
Post by: dre74 on June 27, 2006, 08:54:00 PM
Modding the x360 has to start somewhere, first the dvd firmware and now possibly this. Everyone is expecting the same mods for this as the xbox1 which might never happen, it is a different machine with different security features and "holes" so be patient because you don't have much choice and quit bashing every little bit of news.
Post by: CreziB on June 27, 2006, 08:57:00 PM
Post by: Rustmonkey on June 27, 2006, 09:03:00 PM
QUOTE(CreziB @ Jun 27 2006, 09:04 PM)
Just stopping by to up my post count since that's all this thread is being used for.
ditto
but hurray if its real...
now to wait 2 years for my extended warranty to expire...
Post by: OpticNurv on June 27, 2006, 09:06:00 PM
Post by: Jman232 on June 27, 2006, 09:06:00 PM
"The Xbox 360 hard disk drive has a unique signature in its starting sectors that would prevent standard SATA hard drives from being used in the Xbox 360 console, based on the sector count and serial number, among other things. This also prevents the use of different images on drives with different serial numbers. " -360GameSaves.com
Would the size (# of sectors) of the HD be detected by the BIOS or OS even if it was completely replicated?
It does seem to be a emulation mod. No one has said they rewrote Avalaunch code for PPC.
I would like to stream or playback HD video without converting it using streamclip and then booting into Windows. I use OSX now and the less I have to boot into Windows (Vista throught bootcamp on Intel based Mac), the happier I am. MS makes some darn cool hardware, but their OS's suck. They should have called it XP2007 or something. Nevermind that, wrong forum (venting).
Post by: blame canada on June 27, 2006, 09:15:00 PM
Post by: Heet on June 27, 2006, 09:15:00 PM
Post by: KILLplaystation on June 27, 2006, 09:16:00 PM
Post by: Odb718 on June 27, 2006, 09:16:00 PM
but how in the world can people honestly think that devil360 is real... AND think that they could be behind this... AND not take credit for it?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Anyone know?
Post by: xcalixxryderx on June 27, 2006, 09:19:00 PM
Post by: luispic on June 27, 2006, 09:20:00 PM
Post by: ClintiePoo on June 27, 2006, 09:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Insipidus @ Jun 27 2006, 10:11 PM)
Self Importance. A strange belief that everyone needs your anal analysis of their posts.
You're cool.
Post by: KILLplaystation on June 27, 2006, 09:30:00 PM
QUOTE(ClintiePoo @ Jun 27 2006, 11:34 PM)
You're cool.
lmao, you did it again, right there with that post, you gave youre analysis of his post about you giving youre analysis of posts
. Life is too perfect
Post by: ClintiePoo on June 27, 2006, 09:31:00 PM
QUOTE(KILLplaystation @ Jun 27 2006, 10:37 PM)
lmao, you did it again, right there with that post, you gave youre analysis about his post about you giving youre analysis of posts
. Life is too perfectYou're also cool.
I am just trying to find amusement in this 32 pages of drivel.
Post by: KILLplaystation on June 27, 2006, 09:34:00 PM
QUOTE(ClintiePoo @ Jun 27 2006, 11:38 PM)
You're also cool.
youre crying inside, oh drown me in youre tears, while i chop up and snort youre envy like a drug. Youre envy of my common sense and a head thats outside my assQUOTE
I am just trying to find amusement in this 32 pages of drivel.
me too
Post by: Foolio187 on June 27, 2006, 09:38:00 PM
On second thought, yes I do.
Post by: JohnnyVegas on June 27, 2006, 09:40:00 PM
Post by: goboom225 on June 27, 2006, 09:40:00 PM
(i dont know really what im talking about, i just know that its been brought up before and thats what the response was
)
Post by: lusal on June 27, 2006, 09:42:00 PM
QUOTE
You're also cool.
LMFAO
The next few weeks are going to be exciting....perhaps this story will be proven, perhaps not.
Regardless, this news story has created a massive ripple throughout the scene. It's amazing how much activity this announcement has caused.
It's a testament to the far reaching fingers of X-S dot com.
<goes back to reading a few hundred more pointless posts...including his own>
Post by: ClintiePoo on June 27, 2006, 09:43:00 PM
QUOTE(KILLplaystation @ Jun 27 2006, 10:41 PM)
youre crying inside, oh drown me in youre tears, while i chop up and snort youre envy like a drug. Youre envy of my common sense and a head thats outside my ...I think that you noticing I analyzed his analysis of my analysis is pretty funny, actually.
As for crying on the inside...
Post by: Math1 on June 27, 2006, 09:45:00 PM
Post by: lusal on June 27, 2006, 09:49:00 PM
QUOTE
i have my head up my ass
Are either your sister or your mother as limber as you?
Pics?
Edit for etiquette: Apologies to tijir...not meaning to incite a flame war. Oh...btw...I've got a 360 as well...and unfortunately I can't upgrade my rotten TV at the moment...gotta buy a stupid house.
Post by: CaptainPoop on June 27, 2006, 09:53:00 PM
Post by: tijir on June 27, 2006, 09:54:00 PM
QUOTE(lusal @ Jun 27 2006, 10:56 PM)
Are either your sister or your mother as limber as you?
Pics?
O please stop! My sides hurt from laughing....
Love your "priceless" sig. Brings back memories, though I have since moved on to the 360 and bigger TV's
Post by: KILLplaystation on June 27, 2006, 09:54:00 PM
QUOTE(Math1 @ Jun 27 2006, 11:52 PM)
Could be a developer having fun with a dev kit.
could be what many sources have stated and confirmed it be... But no... no youre right, its probably the head:ass one
Post by: vadox6466 on June 27, 2006, 09:56:00 PM
QUOTE(xboxexpert @ Jun 27 2006, 08:58 PM)
yes, well, my last post was more intelligent than most of this thread
Post by: tijir on June 27, 2006, 09:56:00 PM
QUOTE(CaptainPoop @ Jun 27 2006, 11:00 PM)
If the source was anonymous, how do you know who it is? If he's anonymous, what makes you think he can be trusted?
You should search earlier replies before gettin stupid like this.
Post by: zilli0n on June 27, 2006, 10:04:00 PM
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=525994
Post by: OpticNurv on June 27, 2006, 10:07:00 PM
Post by: tijir on June 27, 2006, 10:07:00 PM
QUOTE(lusal @ Jun 27 2006, 10:56 PM)
Are either your sister or your mother as limber as you?
Pics?
Edit for etiquette: Apologies to tijir...not meaning to incite a flame war. Oh...btw...I've got a 360 as well...and unfortunately I can't upgrade my rotten TV at the moment...gotta buy a stupid house.
No need to apologize to me, my head is firmly attached to my shoulders, I haven't tried to stick it up my ass, would not really want to thanks
Buying a house is what is keeping me from getting a projector so I can play on my wall with a 7+ feet screen
Post by: Heet on June 27, 2006, 10:14:00 PM
I have a 750GB drive in my xbox. Seagate.
Post by: tonloc79 on June 27, 2006, 10:15:00 PM
QUOTE(minooch @ Jun 28 2006, 05:20 AM)
I haven't read all the comments - so i hope nobody has said this.
But all you that think it has been done on a Xbox1 with skins, Well it can be because the xbox1 CANT support a HDD over 160GB.
Please tell me youre kidding?
Post by: tijir on June 27, 2006, 10:16:00 PM
QUOTE(minooch @ Jun 27 2006, 11:20 PM)
I haven't read all the comments - so i hope nobody has said this.
But all you that think it has been done on a Xbox1 with skins, Well it can be because the xbox1 CANT support a HDD over 160GB.
and someone mentioned that photoshop can be eliminated because there is are no details in the file summary - don't forget ppl on this site love play with code.
n e way thats my 2 cents
Well, I have a 250 gig drive in my modded xbox, it recognizes and uses all the space, anything bigger is not supported, according the research I have done.
Post by: Irish-X on June 27, 2006, 10:16:00 PM
Post by: pickolizac on June 27, 2006, 10:16:00 PM
ps Vegita i have to use ur comment as my sig, very funny...
Post by: tonloc79 on June 27, 2006, 10:18:00 PM
QUOTE(tijir @ Jun 28 2006, 05:23 AM)
Well, I have a 250 gig drive in my modded xbox, it recognizes and uses all the space, anything bigger is not supported, according the research I have done.
Both of you need to do better research!
Post by: Lightning|Striker on June 27, 2006, 10:21:00 PM
QUOTE(minooch @ Jun 28 2006, 12:20 AM)
But all you that think it has been done on a Xbox1 with skins, Well it can be because the xbox1 CANT support a HDD over 160GB.
and someone mentioned that photoshop can be eliminated because there is are no details in the file summary -
Xbox 1 can, the LBA limit was exceeded long ago.
Also, you do not -need- to have the file details if you used Photoshop, what is preventing you from resaving in a different applicaation after editing it?
Post by: tijir on June 27, 2006, 10:21:00 PM
QUOTE(tonloc79 @ Jun 27 2006, 11:25 PM)
Both of you need to do better research!
Heh, let me clear up my end, my research was from 2 years ago when I modded my box. From all I read, at that time, 250 was the largest supported. I by no means put alot of time in the research, since a 250 was plenty big for what I wanted.
Post by: Sgt_Yates on June 27, 2006, 10:22:00 PM
TOTAL BS...not a believer!
Post by: nanakifirelight on June 27, 2006, 10:28:00 PM
http://pictures.xbox...ah/thatsbig.jpg
see the purple bar.
its in the correct location for a 360 but not XMC360 where it is higher and more prevalent
Post by: KILLplaystation on June 27, 2006, 10:30:00 PM
QUOTE(Sgt_Yates @ Jun 28 2006, 12:29 AM)
Again, there is no way in hell that is real...How would Surreal even know how to run on a 360...It would have to be such a pure emulation. the 360 is not a PS3...it does not have an xbox1 built on to it. It cannot run that. Surreal would have had to have been ported to the 360, and they would haave had to gained a way to run homebrew on the 360
TOTAL BS...not a believer!
shut up! please!
Post by: Sephious on June 27, 2006, 10:33:00 PM
Then again they would have still had to photo shop the hard drive pics, which would not correspond with my theory.
---Still hoping its real---
Post by: A Murder of Crows on June 27, 2006, 10:35:00 PM
QUOTE(tijir @ Jun 27 2006, 09:23 PM)
Well, I have a 250 gig drive in my modded xbox, it recognizes and uses all the space, anything bigger is not supported, according the research I have done.
Very poor research...
I've got a 250 in one box, a 300 in another, a 400 in my sister's and a 500 in my personal box. the limit issue that needs to be address is Clusters now....how big can one get the cluster sizes to use drives over 750gb.
Post by: KILLplaystation on June 27, 2006, 10:42:00 PM
past 1:30am here, off to bed soon...no, not really
Post by: Heet on June 27, 2006, 10:43:00 PM
512GB per partition formatted at 32kb clusters. Everyone got it now?
Oh ya, using xbpartitioner.
Lets get back to intellectually discussing how FAKE! FAKE! FAKE! this is
Post by: Neilinator99 on June 27, 2006, 10:50:00 PM
But i think he hiding something from us.......Like a
HAMBURGURLER, with homebrew and hard drive
Post by: OpticNurv on June 27, 2006, 10:56:00 PM
Post by: xboxexpert on June 27, 2006, 10:57:00 PM
QUOTE(OpticNurv @ Jun 28 2006, 01:03 AM)
beseech us o' wise mod, bestow upon us the power of homebrew
I know nothing...
Post by: OpticNurv on June 27, 2006, 10:58:00 PM
Post by: DrTek on June 27, 2006, 11:03:00 PM
no doubt that would be pretty cool but I guess the good ol' P III would get pretty busy
Post by: Heet on June 27, 2006, 11:04:00 PM
Pay attention to how this thread unfolds and what came of it. Remember all we could use for 3 years (or so) was 120GB drives.
http://forums.xbox-s...showtopic=94452
Post by: vadox6466 on June 27, 2006, 11:16:00 PM
Can you tell us when info will come out?!
Post by: xboxexpert on June 27, 2006, 11:18:00 PM
I am now going to
No more questions for me
Post by: bLiTz 2k on June 27, 2006, 11:25:00 PM
. Sit back and close your soup cooler untill more info is available.
Post by: HigherBe1ng on June 27, 2006, 11:28:00 PM
QUOTE(the joker @ Jun 27 2006, 03:14 PM)
450gb would work with an adapter mate
And I doubt x-s would post it if they had even as much as a single doubt in the sources. I don't see any reason this have to be fake.
no disrespect, but going by your name I hope you are joking... Lets be real guys... IF THIS WAS REAL, who ever did that shit moved at the speed of light, not only did he connect a 450gb hdd (ok that alone is 250 steps ahead of the game) but he also "loaded" homebrew on the 360... Lets face it, this shit is fake...
Lets look at where we are with the xbox360
Firmware hack..
THATS IT... think of it logically... it takes baby steps to get there, and I would think everyone that has been around the scene for awhile would know that...
also along with that... If some1 did infact connect a 450gb drive... dont you think there would be pics of that? I mean shit, look at the icemod... ever since then the community has been pretty distrusting in new mods, if the source really wanted to prove a point of this all being real, there would be pictures of the drive being connected, and there would be pictures of the console next to the TV with the attached drive running that mess..
ALSO... why hasn't anyone noticed the fact that in both pictues "cancel" is selected... if u ask me, its cut and paste...
Post by: Muzzakus on June 27, 2006, 11:29:00 PM
I mulled over this for a while and ment to re-visit in the future, but have not yet done so. If the extender did indeed install from the PC - there could be potential for a back door injection of a "hacked" extender (data files or whatever it comprises off)
I have not bothered to research if this avenue was previously looked at. So if it has, please exuse my pointless ramblings. But if not - this could still have something in it.
Cheers,
Muz
Post by: Python on June 27, 2006, 11:30:00 PM
QUOTE
Xbox-Scene.com post this article today regarding some pictures (LINK)
Some ppl were screaming fake - we can assure you they are real - some way to go yet in various areas. But yes you can see a larger HDD and Avalaunch in the screenshots - no photoshop going on there
Some ppl were screaming fake - we can assure you they are real - some way to go yet in various areas. But yes you can see a larger HDD and Avalaunch in the screenshots - no photoshop going on there
Two major sites related to XBOX saying the same thing got to be true.
If that is fake this trusted source should be getting out of earth because they'll chase him.
Post by: HigherBe1ng on June 27, 2006, 11:33:00 PM
QUOTE(Python @ Jun 28 2006, 01:37 AM)
This is for real. Team Xecuter confirmed it too.
http://teamxecuter.e...c71ac4a7cca8350
Two major sites related to XBOX saying the same thing got to be true.
If that is fake this trusted source should be getting out of earth because they'll chase him.
umm... all they really did is posted the news aswell.. that doesnt mean its confirmed...
Post by: DoctorWho1945 on June 27, 2006, 11:36:00 PM
Post by: Keo-Keo on June 27, 2006, 11:37:00 PM
_Keo
Post by: G0t M4xx 21 on June 27, 2006, 11:46:00 PM
QUOTE
The REPUTATION of XBOX-SCENE is under SUSPICION.
Nah, it's not.
The pics, although easy to create similar "fakes", they are very much real, and definitely came from a trusted source, I can confirm that.
That is in fact homebrew running on an Xbox 360 that is slightly different from a normal 360.
Please don't PM me (or Xboxexpert, HSD, Xant, or anyobdy else) about this asking for more information, it will get you nowhere. Trust me. So save yourself the trouble and don't even try.
L8r
-Tim
Post by: Justincredibal on June 27, 2006, 11:48:00 PM
This would be posted as rumor unless they both had REAL hard proof. Obviously they do.
So ould you please shut the fuck up about it being fake and/or xbox scene being untrustworthy.
BAH!
Post by: bLiTz 2k on June 27, 2006, 11:55:00 PM
QUOTE(dutch nelson @ Jun 28 2006, 01:33 AM)
Aloooooooot of things where fake , but we should kill the fakers
and stay with xbox scene name one
Post by: OpticNurv on June 28, 2006, 12:05:00 AM
Post by: sincitykid on June 28, 2006, 12:10:00 AM
I last posted at 25.
AMAZING...
I can't believe this hasn't closed yet, but I guess everyone's excited...
Post by: Pikkon on June 28, 2006, 12:11:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxexpert @ Jun 28 2006, 12:25 AM)
I can't tell you anything since there is nothing to tell as of yet. It was stated to be ran under emulation mode...possably on a dev 360 kit
I am now going to
No more questions for me
Well if its running off a 360 dev kit or a debug unit than that would make a lot more sense.Adding a larger hdd to a dev or a debug unit is very simple.
Post by: pike on June 28, 2006, 12:16:00 AM
Post by: KILLplaystation on June 28, 2006, 12:18:00 AM
QUOTE(Louike69 @ Jun 28 2006, 02:16 AM)
This is stupid, why dont they report the real news instead of some lame pictures....
if its not fake... then what the hell is it? and why havent we read about it before?
its all been said before mr 5 posts, the reason you havent read about it before is because youre reading about it now... there has to be afirst time and this is it. Your thinking has no logic and you have no place making a statement so stupid. Ignorance will be your weakness in life. You will live constantly unfullfilled in life, always trying to force your stupid ignorant statements on others, trying to verify your own significance to yourself although noone cares what you have to say because if they did they may catch cancer from what you have to say
Post by: epsilon72 on June 28, 2006, 12:23:00 AM
Post by: OpticNurv on June 28, 2006, 12:25:00 AM
Post by: Tiptup300 on June 28, 2006, 12:26:00 AM
QUOTE(Ubiquitous Dead @ Jun 27 2006, 03:43 PM)
Now, what i was thinking about...
1. If someone Spectacullary did find out how to do it, WHY on earth modify half the dashboard and keep the Guide? (If this was even possible - which i kinda dont believe)
2. Whats with the HD ? Thats a pic (again) on the normal dashboard ? So what the hell is the big deal?
Now i haven't been in the forums for a long time, but ive been on xscene for ages and this just sucks oO Same with the devil 360, i mean, ok, if its real, ill be the first one to buy it, but hell until then, im getting sick of real/unreal pic's and shit.
Anyway...Modding half the dashboard *head shaking* sure...
1. The guide is like Windows XP, think about it, its integrated
2. Did you look at the size?
3. The 360 sports an xbx1 emulator that supports profiles for specific games. There arent an emulator for each game, just specific tweaks that the developers make. I'm sure that M$ has a basic profile that works junkily on most games, and it might not play on some. If these pics are truely real I'm sure its not ported just emulated with the OS intact. Notice that none of the 360 guides are the ones at the left since it would show the, "the guide is not available on old xbx games" screen. Just my view
Post by: marzbar on June 28, 2006, 12:29:00 AM
I for one, am crossing my fingers.
Post by: gasclown on June 28, 2006, 12:31:00 AM
seeing as i would like to believe this but cant because of the lack of actual proof... im going with devkit
Post by: KILLplaystation on June 28, 2006, 12:31:00 AM
QUOTE(neogenix @ Jun 28 2006, 02:34 AM)
Is it even possible to make screenshots of a running xbox360.. I dont think so..there is not app to create a screenshot from a running 360.. this means it the picture has to be taken with a digital camera on a LCD or something. But if thats the case it would make no sens that the first to pictures are pixel perfect the same size / orientation, that is not possible by hand with a digicam. So it is definitly photoshopped. Also isnt the green glow around the cancel button 'glowing' and thus moving and thus never can be the exact same pixelperfect picture as the second photo...
Definitly fake
TV card or other tv to PC connection, you are drowning in your own ignorance
Post by: KILLplaystation on June 28, 2006, 12:33:00 AM
QUOTE(Louike69 @ Jun 28 2006, 02:38 AM)
Why dont you settle down mr 55 posts? drugs are bad...
you should start a cult
you should kill yourself
and the only reason i commented on the 5 posts is beacause it shows you most likely joined today, i'll check...nope, april, what ever youre still talking out you ass....im gunna get suspended again i know it
Post by: spoone on June 28, 2006, 12:34:00 AM
but nice to see that there's so much confusion.
maybe X-S needed some traffic?
i don't find it strange or whatever that there's no further explanation for nothing,
but i find it strange that this link here is indeed saying xbox1data in its address.
all the pics have xbox360 in their urls but not the article itself.
don't get me wrong.
i'm not bitching around.
i just thought that X-S wanted some attention (don't ask me why as they don't need it)
or testing ground
or just check us all out for whatever reason.
still,
and even without team avalaunch AND team xecuter confirming,
i do believe this is real!
mod on,
spoone
Post by: Tiptup300 on June 28, 2006, 12:37:00 AM
QUOTE(spoone @ Jun 28 2006, 02:41 AM)
i do believe.
but nice to see that there's so much confusion.
maybe X-S needed some traffic?
i don't find it strange or whatever that there's no further explanation for nothing,
but i find it strange that this link here is indeed saying xbox1data in its address.
all the pics have xbox360 in their urls but not the article itself.
don't get me wrong.
i'm not bitching around.
i just thought that X-S wanted some attention (don't ask me why as they don't need it)
or testing ground
or just check us all out for whatever reason.
still,
and even without team avalaunch AND team xecuter confirming,
i do believe this is real!
mod on,
spoone
They have /xbox1data/ in all their articles, lol, they never updated their system for news
Post by: Terdinglage on June 28, 2006, 12:39:00 AM
Too many people have put their rep's on the line for this to be fake. I think we have a genuine hack here, done by exploiting the Xbox emulator used for backwards compatability. The reason we only see the shutdown bar, as was stated earlier, is that the other one is not avaiable in emulated games (hopefully that changes
). Ultimately however, all of this drama leads to one simple fact. We just have to wait and see.
Post by: Tiptup300 on June 28, 2006, 12:40:00 AM
QUOTE(Terdinglage @ Jun 28 2006, 02:46 AM)
Seems like everyone under the sun posted here, plenty of idiots spewing about things as bad as how could they possibly taken a screenshot? Has the world not heard of a capture card. Anyways, I could go on and on about the idiocy's but I figure I'll just call it as I see it right now.
Too many people have put their rep's on the line for this to be fake. I think we have a genuine hack here, done by exploiting the Xbox emulator used for backwards compatability. The reason we only see the shutdown bar, as was stated earlier, is that the other one is not avaiable in emulated games (hopefully that changes
). Ultimately however, all of this drama leads to one simple fact. We just have to wait and see.Someone whos making sense!
Post by: death trap on June 28, 2006, 12:42:00 AM
Ok i may be barking up the wrong tree here (feel free to flame if i'm talking shit) the emulation of homebrew dashboards may not be as hard as it sounds, from what i understand avalaunch is built from libs in the xdk. If this is correct it may use simualar API calls to the original xbox dash. The authors of this hack may not of had to edit the emulator code at all, avalaunch and maybe a few other apps MAY run under the xbox dashboard emulator.
Anyway hope this hack turns out to be real, proper Divx playback (via XBMC) and Mario 64 on my 360 would make my day.
Post by: corkybitch on June 28, 2006, 12:43:00 AM
- Eager for more updates
Post by: Terdinglage on June 28, 2006, 12:44:00 AM
Post by: Tiptup300 on June 28, 2006, 12:44:00 AM
http://blackbolt.x-s...creenshot19.jpg - Blackbolt
http://pictures.xbox...atavalaunch.jpg - Pics
Look at the side of the bar, and the cleanness of the text, so unless the ppl redid the blackbolt, its definititly not it
Post by: Alex548 on June 28, 2006, 12:47:00 AM
A bunch of phone calls later, I'm up & running again & I get home around 11:00pm
Figured I'd play some UNO on the 360 & it's dead.
Now if the 360 hack is confirmed and the methods are made public, I'm gonna be stuck here twiddling my thumbs waiting for M$ to fix my damn console.
Oh well, screw it. If the hack is published, I'll just go buy another console to test the hack on anyway.
Post by: KILLplaystation on June 28, 2006, 12:48:00 AM
QUOTE(Tiptup300 @ Jun 28 2006, 02:51 AM)
Hey just to show something compare these two pics, one is from blackbolt and one is from the pics
http://blackbolt.x-s...creenshot19.jpg - Blackbolt
http://pictures.xbox...atavalaunch.jpg - Pics
Look at the side of the bar, and the cleanness of the text, so unless the ppl redid the blackbolt, its definititly not it
not to mention the menus are so completely different noone would have ever considered what youre geniusly ruling out...ever
Post by: Tiptup300 on June 28, 2006, 12:49:00 AM
QUOTE(KILLplaystation @ Jun 28 2006, 02:55 AM)
not to mention the menus are so completely different noone would have ever considered what youre geniusly ruling out...ever
Um look at pages 2-5 say, lol, yes they did
Post by: Terdinglage on June 28, 2006, 12:51:00 AM
QUOTE(KILLplaystation @ Jun 28 2006, 01:55 AM)
not to mention the menus are so completely different noone would have ever considered what youre geniusly ruling out...ever
If you read through all of the posts, you would be suprised how many retards talk about how they could have faked it with blackbolt's skin. Really is funny to me, since my mc360 skin is totally unlike the 360, because for some reason all of my blades are a shade of blue
.Post by: stezo2k on June 28, 2006, 12:53:00 AM
Post by: Tiptup300 on June 28, 2006, 12:54:00 AM
QUOTE(Terdinglage @ Jun 28 2006, 02:58 AM)
If you read through all of the posts, you would be suprised how many retards talk about how they could have faked it with blackbolt's skin. Really is funny to me, since my mc360 skin is totally unlike the 360, because for some reason all of my blades are a shade of blue
.I was actually disappointed by MC360, I guess its since I sold my xbx and got used to the hi-res-nessity of the 360. Comparing is just horrible. THe terrible font flicker of death!
Post by: Tiptup300 on June 28, 2006, 12:56:00 AM
QUOTE(stezo2k @ Jun 28 2006, 03:00 AM)
it's fake, zoom into the blade on the surreal picture (just by mortal kombat) you can see its been pasted over the top (theres a gap there)
why did you have to do that?, I was enjoying thinking that it was real,
, oh well!
Post by: KILLplaystation on June 28, 2006, 12:57:00 AM
QUOTE(Terdinglage @ Jun 28 2006, 02:58 AM)
If you read through all of the posts, you would be suprised how many retards talk about how they could have faked it with blackbolt's skin. Really is funny to me, since my mc360 skin is totally unlike the 360, because for some reason all of my blades are a shade of blue
.i know they are different, thats what i said.
QUOTE
Um look at pages 2-5 say, lol, yes they did
i was commenting on that post...the one i was replying to... and had quoted, you know... in the quote box above my reply... what are you slow?
he was offering proof that it couldnt be xbmc360 skin, commenting on the clarity of the text... i was saying that there are so many differences that he looked past just pointing out the text. So many that even considering its xbmc360 is asinine.
Post by: Louike69 on June 28, 2006, 12:58:00 AM
QUOTE(KILLplaystation @ Jun 28 2006, 08:40 AM)
you should kill yourself
and the only reason i commented on the 5 posts is beacause it shows you most likely joined today, i'll check...nope, april, what ever youre still talking out you ass....im gunna get suspended again i know it
so if you want to say something besides "wauw cool and thanx everyone" you have to be a registred member for over 6 months and post at least 50 replies? thats ridiculous dude... i just dont like hundereds of ppl freaking out on news that is presented like this. i prefer technical info.
Post by: Tiptup300 on June 28, 2006, 01:00:00 AM
QUOTE(KILLplaystation @ Jun 28 2006, 03:04 AM)
i know they are different, thats what i said.
i was commenting on that post...the one i was replying to... and had quoted, you know... in the quote box above my reply... what are you slow?
he was offering proof that it couldnt be xbmc360 skin, commenting on the clarity of the text... i was saying that there are so many differences that he looked past just pointing out the text. So many that even considering its xbmc360 is asinine.
OMFG retard, I was the dude you quoted!, and I know for a fact their not the same thing, but a couple idiots did. So I did it so they would just shut up!
Post by: Tiptup300 on June 28, 2006, 01:02:00 AM
QUOTE(JohnnyVegas @ Jun 28 2006, 03:08 AM)
Now this is a guy I wouldn't mind hanging out with. You fucking rok my friend.
Because he doesnt have a life? lol
Post by: spoone on June 28, 2006, 01:02:00 AM
QUOTE(Tiptup300 @ Jun 28 2006, 08:44 AM)
They have /xbox1data/ in all their articles, lol, they never updated their system for news
so,
nothing strange anymore.
welcome believers
Post by: KILLplaystation on June 28, 2006, 01:03:00 AM
QUOTE(stezo2k @ Jun 28 2006, 03:00 AM)
it's fake, zoom into the blade on the surreal picture (just by mortal kombat) you can see its been pasted over the top (theres a gap there)
could be due to the inconsitancy of the picture you sometimes get with a video capture card, but i doubt it, i also doubt the person would overlook that, if it was infact photoshoped
Post by: JohnnyVegas on June 28, 2006, 01:05:00 AM
QUOTE(Tiptup300 @ Jun 28 2006, 02:09 AM)
Because he doesnt have a life? lol
Des nutz... butthead
Sarcasm..
Next time daddy beats you over the head with a bag of gravel make sure he kicks you a few times to finish the job..
I digress.
Post by: grillo2k3 on June 28, 2006, 01:05:00 AM
I want to believe (theme from the x-files playing in the backround)
Post by: xcalixxryderx on June 28, 2006, 01:08:00 AM
also if its being run on a dev how is that gonna help the rest of us?
Post by: Tiptup300 on June 28, 2006, 01:11:00 AM
-Sweet!, lol
Post by: kevhonda on June 28, 2006, 01:19:00 AM
Not saying its real, but I have faith in XS if they say the source is trusted then I believe them. XS has never led me to believe anything false in the past. Just something to think about....since the 360 emulates games b/c of nvidia calls,etc. and someone figured out a hack wouldnt it make sense that they reverse engineered the emulation in the 360 and maybe just maybe they are emulating a xbox1 running Avalaunch or Surreal64. Again this is all just something to think about
Post by: wanny1 on June 28, 2006, 01:31:00 AM
-Nice Pic tip
Maybe TipTup knows how to run Photshop on his 360
.......
Post by: bigduke on June 28, 2006, 01:37:00 AM
Plenty of people have said this, but here it comes again, "time will tell" go about your lives people.
No need for anymore people posting there own mocked shutdown screens. Its getting annoying. Lets just stick to the meat and potatoes of this.
Post by: monkeyflungpoo on June 28, 2006, 01:40:00 AM
Post by: jacksprat1990 on June 28, 2006, 01:41:00 AM
Post by: skforty on June 28, 2006, 01:44:00 AM
I'm just gonna make some quick points to whats been posted and what has/hasnt been said.
1) It doesn't say shutdown controller if you using wired controller
2) They only showed that blade because its running xbox 1 software, just like when you are playing halo2 you cant view the other blades
3) They didnt port surreal and avalaunch, its just running the existing software for xbox 1
4) This isnt the blackbolt skin, are you kidding me, look at both, come back and apologize for being retarded.
5) The harddrive doesnt HAVE to be 2.5''. It could be a normal 3.5'' SATA, or possibly USB drive or combo adapter. Sure only 2.5'' will fit in the official ms hdcase, but it doesnt have to be 2.5'' to be connected.
6) It can be a "trusted" and "anonymous" source, if Xbox-scene knows who it is, but doesnt want to tell the public. X-S "trusts" them, but they are "anonymous" to you! Get it??
7) Screenshots. Have you retards never heard of a capture card? There are PLENTY of devices used to take screen grabs. Jesus.
8) Why are the pics different resolutions? Honestly, i havent checked, so i dont know that they are. If they are, that is really really weird. Being that an NTSC capture card, would take a screen shot at standard 640x480, or at least they would all be the same size. Its not an HD grab because it would be widescreen if it was 1280x720 or 1920x1080. Again, if they are different resolutions, that is fishy. Cant come up with a good reason why they would do that.
9) "OH NOES!! LOOK AT THE LAYER!! TOTALLY PHOTOSHOPPED!!" Well, that jpg compression is high. The quality is ass, and as such compressing images can result in loss of quality and create artifacts. Im not saying that its not photoshopped, just saying its possible its not.
10) Why are they being so secretive, no info at all. Well, you could argue its for publicity. I mean it is working, look how many posts. You could argue its so noone else steals idea i guess. The thing that bothers me about this one, is that X-S is a trusted and valuable news source for me, and as such i expect more info. SOMETHING. I mean, a picture says a thousand words, but...cmon. Of course, they may have had no extra info with it, just received the pics from a trusted source.
11) Yes they could just be viewing a jpg on the 360, and then bring up the blade, then screen cap it. There are several ways these pics could be achieved.
12) Who really knows, there are easy ways to fake this, and yet, its from X-S, so im very hopeful, although skeptical at the same time lol.
13) Stop being so goddamn retarded.
Post by: cRACKmONKEY421 on June 28, 2006, 01:59:00 AM
If this were real, the obvious thing would be to provide undisputable proof. Those pics would be extremely easy to fake in various ways, and I'm sure whoever it was that took them and also who posted them knew that. The only thing that gives these pics any kind of creditability is that they are from a source that Xan trusts. What I am saying is that whether they are fake or not... its a ficking teaser.X-S has done a great job of generating gossip with this.
I would love to hear info about 360 hacking, but this post just pisses me off. It doesn't even come right out and say this is likely a retail 360. Just fuels the shat. Whether its real or not, why not just tell us what you know and not make these ambiguous posts?
Post by: Vardyr on June 28, 2006, 02:01:00 AM
QUOTE(stezo2k @ Jun 28 2006, 02:00 AM)
it's fake, zoom into the blade on the surreal picture (just by mortal kombat) you can see its been pasted over the top (theres a gap there)
Your findings seem to be skewed by the small sample size you used. If you take a look at my broader comparison you'll see that the very left of the 360's blades either have an extremely small transparent portion/drop shadow to aid in the 3D look or the jpeg algorithm is screwing the image up as usual... both are quite possible, as is all of this being haox. The location you pointed out is where a light vertical line in the Mortal Kombat 4 artwork begins (part of the handle of the sword), so the effect in question is most obvious here. If you look up a few pixels on that same line it becomes darker as the artwork does. This is also apparent in the bottom game artwork where the colors change from the bright background to the dark skin of the basketball player and around the "r" in the right portion of the image I've linked.
Essentially, jpeg is almost as bad as gif when attempting to verify the authenticity of an image for all but the most blatant Photoshopping.
Back to lurking in the shadows.-Vardyr
Post by: open24h on June 28, 2006, 02:06:00 AM
ps: modded with mspaint
Post by: turkey_fiddler on June 28, 2006, 02:10:00 AM
http://teamxecuter.entryhost.com/
360 Larger HDD / Avalaunch Pics
Xbox-Scene.com post this article today regarding some pictures (LINK)
Some ppl were screaming fake - we can assure you they are real - some way to go yet in various areas. But yes you can see a larger HDD and Avalaunch in the screenshots - no photoshop going on there
Post by: mrthrust on June 28, 2006, 02:16:00 AM
ive just read through some of the most anoyning posts i've ever read..
i just wanted to give my 5p worth...
i've not posted in a while, or much at all.. i like to keep it at the side lines
and watch as people rush to flame others for trying...
give it all a rest and shut the fuk up....
i know these are forums were free speech an all but ffs...
Too all the guys in the scene.. keep up the great work.
40 PAGES OF BS.....
cant understand it...
for me ill believe it when i see it...
Post by: Louike69 on June 28, 2006, 02:22:00 AM
QUOTE(open24h @ Jun 28 2006, 10:13 AM)
And here my modded 360, it runns win 2k in background
ps: modded with mspaint
ROFL where can i pre-order?
Post by: aceventura77 on June 28, 2006, 02:33:00 AM
Lets hope some more info is released soon.
Until then......
Just wait a few days before you flame everyone.
Post by: amexie on June 28, 2006, 02:40:00 AM
Post by: the joker on June 28, 2006, 02:46:00 AM
QUOTE(Pikkon @ Jun 28 2006, 04:03 AM)
I wonder what all the mods are talking about in the Moderator forums.I know alot of people so finding some inside source should be fairly easy.
Either there's no moderator forum, or they gotta start letting me in
Actually, there's a moderator mailing list, and it's appx 1 year since anything happened there.QUOTE(Zypres @ Jun 28 2006, 04:30 AM)
If you are scared about making it public:
How about giving this to DVD-JON? He will make it public for you
Watch the name of his blog: "so sue me"(nanocrew.net)
now this is a topic I know alot about. DVD-Jon is no hacker : FACT! He took other peoples work and presented it as his own. That gave him TONS of publicity, of which he's making a nice living of atm. He got a lot of nice job offers at start, and lost them fairly fast again when it seemed that he could not program. All he knew how to do was to make small ui's in visual basic. This is stuff I know for a fact, he applied for work at Opera where I worked, and I was asked to join in the interview, guess who shows up...this kid and his FATHER. Now who brings their father for a job interview??? He couldn't code C nor C++, and had barely heard about assembly. I turned him down.
DVD-jon knows nothing - he's a looser that for some reason have turned into an icon. For me, an icon of stupidity.
QUOTE(Terdinglage @ Jun 28 2006, 08:51 AM)
Oh I forgot to mention this thing I realized about the Hard Drive.
...
I would also want to see someone mock up that System tab that perfectly, AND debrand the MS Logo.
Good call. I'd like to see that too.
QUOTE(stezo2k @ Jun 28 2006, 09:00 AM)
it's fake, zoom into the blade on the surreal picture (just by mortal kombat) you can see its been pasted over the top (theres a gap there)
http://stezo2k.artis...s.com/Faked.jpg
Ssssssssoooooo, we agree that you got a bad capture card, but what if the other was done with a good one ? You can't draw conclusions from looking at two pics that is taken with obvious different hardware.
QUOTE(Guidor @ Jun 28 2006, 09:48 AM)
Poor form from X-S IMHO. They should get hard facts before posting things like this.
who do you trust ?
Moderators of xbox-scene *
Moderators of maxconsole *
Team Xecuter *
Team Avalaunch *
People with more than 1000 posts in their trackrecord *
ooor :
People posting here for the first time **
People that have under 10-20 posts **
The people noone knows - and knows noone **
All with * have to some extent confirmed it. All with ** have said it's a fake. ( in average )
Now ! Do you belive those that noone knows, or the ones that everyone knows .... who also know everyone that would be capable of doing this ? If these people can't tell you what's real or not, who DO you trust ?
The fresh guys with 'shopping skillz or the guys that knows the xbox in and out ?Think about it. Why would everyone that have done a lot for the xbox-scene confirm this one ? They didn't confirm the devilmod or ICE.
Actually, this all is pretty much exactly like when we released the first avalaunch - everyone screamed "FAKE" and "PHOTOSHOP", yet it was real as it could be. People just thinks it's too good to be true
Post by: Snake_Eye on June 28, 2006, 02:50:00 AM
QUOTE(PimpLou22 @ Jun 27 2006, 08:11 PM)
How can a source be both anonymous and trusted?
becuase x-s know who it from but are not going to tell us.
i hope this is real i have not bought a 360 yet. waiting for home brew and i price drop ( they are still the same as launch price)
Post by: corkybitch on June 28, 2006, 02:50:00 AM
Nuff said! Sounds great, keep up the good work.
Post by: africamagical on June 28, 2006, 02:56:00 AM
likely disapointing yes.
however the idea of the cleveland steamer just excites everyone around, and just too damn enticing to ignore
including me
edit..sp?
Post by: draken333 on June 28, 2006, 03:07:00 AM
QUOTE(Guidor @ Jun 28 2006, 12:48 AM)
Poor form from X-S IMHO. They should get hard facts before posting things like this.
Its pretty obvious what X-S does....they post very vague news about modding xbox 360 articles to get people to come back every second to thier website, why? So we all view thier advertisments. This leaves us to believe there is something real going on...which in fact (should) be true. I honestly believe it is true, they wouldnt ruin thier reputation with false hopes....they cant afford to lie to their trusted viewers.
So its exactly the same when technologie comes out...they slowly feed it to us so we buy it up....or they get the most profit from us...just like X-S does with these news posts. ( Why would they tell us straight up Xbox 360 now modded!!???) When they can just dribble a little news here and there...and keep us coming back.
So you can look at it two ways. One, X-S is a market....not just a friendly, lets give everyone the HARD FACT NEWS but instead we will milk the most profit we can. OR, two they really dont have that many facts...and they honestly are sharing what they know as of right now. IMHO......I think there is a lot more then we all know.....and we should never judge X-S as FALSE....they are a very trusted source. I for one believe devil360 is real, and these PICS of the 360 running some type of homebrew are real...X-S has never lied.....they are for real!
I just feel X-S is very smart in why they post vague news!
Post by: KILLplaystation on June 28, 2006, 03:07:00 AM
QUOTE(Snake_Eye @ Jun 28 2006, 04:57 AM)
becuase x-s know who it from but are not going to tell us.
oh god could people just stop answering that question
Post by: Qu-Bit on June 28, 2006, 03:22:00 AM
QUOTE(aceventura77 @ Jun 28 2006, 09:40 AM)
I think it might be time to go out and buy an xbox360.
Read between the lines guys, This Shit is real. To the all the lamos, Stop your bitching and accept that something BIG is happening on the modding scene.
Lets hope some more info is released soon.
Until then......
Just wait a few days before you flame everyone.
Ha. I bought a 360 months ago and left it sitting unopened and unconnected to live. I am just waiting for a hack to be released and then I will partake in the wonders of XBMC on a 360 with no connection to M$ to screw up my fun.
Post by: dohopoki on June 28, 2006, 03:23:00 AM
QUOTE(KILLplaystation @ Jun 28 2006, 05:14 AM)
oh god could people just stop answering that question
There's still people asking it is the problem.
As for the rest of everything else, I have no reason to believe this is fake but nothing to lose if it is.
Post by: njptrading on June 28, 2006, 03:57:00 AM
As has been said - X-S should be trusted - this has gotta be real - unless the other guy's right in saying that they're ramping traffic up for the sake of the ppc adverts (google adsense anybody?). dunno what to believe but waiting for some hard facts and like somebody else said - some TECHNICAL info on how this has been achieved!
Damn this forum was loaded like hell last night! i went to sleep tryna view 10 pages of these posts with the forum bomming out on me with 'server busy', and i wake up and it's 40+ pages already!
please...please....pretty please....with a cherry on top.....some technical info please?
Also to the guy who made those screenshots - you should have known you'd get flamed for photoshop forgery! you should have made a video with everything in sight! opened up x360, all leads showing, etc..etc..! well unless you dont mind the flaming i guess then it doesnt matter.
oooh..ooh....my cousin hacked his xbox 360!!!.........with a CROWBAR! he got pissed off with the overheating and crashing in the hot weather and he has an anger management issue - he had to smash it up to feel better. poor xbox - rest in peace. yep sorry totally irrelevant to this forum, i just found it funny when he rang me and told me he had 'hacked' it.
Post by: matthunter3 on June 28, 2006, 09:49:00 AM
Not that i dont belive about this, its just avalaunch may only be pleased because they decided to use ava as the dash for testing.
Post by: Nicroma on June 28, 2006, 09:51:00 AM
I know they only post info from trusted sources. So if true, holy shit!
If not. Die in a fire, creator!
Post by: matthunter3 on June 28, 2006, 09:52:00 AM
QUOTE(guile @ Jun 28 2006, 04:56 PM)
Are you an idiot?
Are you an idiot?
I agree, dont flame this because it may be easy to photoshop but what if its not?
Post by: mdfirefighter on June 28, 2006, 09:53:00 AM
Post by: dstealth on June 28, 2006, 09:55:00 AM
Post by: LastRitz on June 28, 2006, 10:01:00 AM
Well if any of you were to look at the business model of the this idea only one thing stands out.......
Answer anyone???
Come'on...................your getting warmer...........
CONSOLE SALES, yes!!, SALES
MS has easily realized how "homebrew" ability will increase sales of the consoles (god only know how much it helped sales of the xbox1).
So what is little Johnny going to do when he wants to play Xbox Live and run the lastest and greatest homebrew.........?????
Johnny is going to buy another 360...and so are all of us soon
Just remember, before anymore of us bitch about anything, that just giving "homebrew" away as a company is kinda of a no no. Unfortunatly homebrew does have the possiblity of infringing on copyright laws and business to business treaties, M$ knows this, and they want or console sales (lol, thats how they win in the end) and for us to buy all the matching M$ accessories to go with it..................not only once, but twice.
Post by: riahc3 on June 28, 2006, 10:05:00 AM
Post by: noen on June 28, 2006, 10:10:00 AM
QUOTE
CONSOLE SALES, yes!!, SALES
MS has easily realized how "homebrew" ability will increase sales of the consoles (god only know how much it helped sales of the xbox1).
So what is little Johnny going to do when he wants to play Xbox Live and run the lastest and greatest homebrew.........?????
Johnny is going to buy another 360...and so are all of us soon
MS has easily realized how "homebrew" ability will increase sales of the consoles (god only know how much it helped sales of the xbox1).
So what is little Johnny going to do when he wants to play Xbox Live and run the lastest and greatest homebrew.........?????
Johnny is going to buy another 360...and so are all of us soon
Except you are dead wrong.
MS loses a massive amount on every console sold.
In fact, since the days of the Genesis and SNES, no console manufacturer has made money on the system hardware, they all sell at a loss.
So no, MS isn't doing this to sell more consoles. They watch the homebrew and modders because they can use their ideas in future commercial products, and they can't legally stop them anyway.
Post by: jymboche on June 28, 2006, 10:12:00 AM
Um... MS wouldnt want to increase console sales if it came with the price of homebrew. MS doesnt make any money off the sale of the console itself, Game sales make up the differential in cost vs. sale price on the console. So if homebrew was easier, and they released tools for development, then copying games would only be easier and so from a business perspective it would not be a good idea and they would never do it.
Edit: beat me to it
Post by: guile on June 28, 2006, 10:14:00 AM
QUOTE(LastRitz @ Jun 28 2006, 05:08 PM)
Anybody know why M$ wants homebrew to run but they wont just give it to you in the palm of you hand??
Well if any of you were to look at the business model of the this idea only one thing stands out.......
Answer anyone???
Come'on...................your getting warmer...........
CONSOLE SALES, yes!!, SALES
Hmmm.....
I don't think it's a secret that M$ is losing money on every 360 (as they did with Xbox) that goes out the door. They make money on the software side of things. Do they really think by making it easy to mod, it's going to increase software sales?? I doubt it.
g
Post by: chedabob on June 28, 2006, 10:15:00 AM
QUOTE(LastRitz @ Jun 28 2006, 04:08 PM)
Anybody know why M$ wants homebrew to run but they wont just give it to you in the palm of you hand??
Well if any of you were to look at the business model of the this idea only one thing stands out.......
Answer anyone???
Come'on...................your getting warmer...........
CONSOLE SALES, yes!!, SALES
MS has easily realized how "homebrew" ability will increase sales of the consoles (god only know how much it helped sales of the xbox1).
So what is little Johnny going to do when he wants to play Xbox Live and run the lastest and greatest homebrew.........?????
Johnny is going to buy another 360...and so are all of us soon
Just remember, before anymore of us bitch about anything, that just giving "homebrew" away as a company is kinda of a no no. Unfortunatly homebrew does have the possiblity of infringing on copyright laws and business to business treaties, M$ knows this, and they want or console sales (lol, thats how they win in the end) and for us to buy all the matching M$ accessories to go with it..................not only once, but twice.
for half a second did you consider that they are making sure any security holes are patched before they let us loose?
Post by: matthunter3 on June 28, 2006, 10:16:00 AM
seriously look.
Post by: mdfirefighter on June 28, 2006, 10:19:00 AM
MDFF
Post by: xboxexpert on June 28, 2006, 10:25:00 AM
QUOTE(cliffy88 @ Jun 28 2006, 10:52 AM)
Xboxexpert...you may have been asked this, but 40+ pages...anyways...Ok I understand that you know something about whats going down. However you aren't able to say anything about it. Are you able to say when you think this might go public?
<//=- Notice how he shakes his head "NO" before he goes "grr" QUOTE(dstealth @ Jun 28 2006, 10:59 AM)
QUOTE(chedabob @ Jun 28 2006, 12:22 PM)
for half a second did you consider that they are making sure any security holes are patched before they let us loose?
This is the first post that actually brings up something worthy of listening to.
Post by: Donch on June 28, 2006, 10:26:00 AM
keep up the great work to all the devs,mods...anyone an everyone who is making the scene what it is to all the rest happy modding
Post by: chedabob on June 28, 2006, 10:27:00 AM
QUOTE(Donch @ Jun 28 2006, 04:33 PM)
i skipped the middle 40 pages but did anyone try to look up the addy in the background 192.168.254.93 i tried pinging it but just timed out
thats cos that is an internal ip
Post by: NookularDeath on June 28, 2006, 10:30:00 AM
QUOTE(noen @ Jun 28 2006, 11:17 AM)
Except you are dead wrong.
MS loses a massive amount on every console sold.
In fact, since the days of the Genesis and SNES, no console manufacturer has made money on the system hardware, they all sell at a loss.
So no, MS isn't doing this to sell more consoles. They watch the homebrew and modders because they can use their ideas in future commercial products, and they can't legally stop them anyway.
I tell you what.. you provide me with a materials list of an entire 360 and I will bet you anything that the claim that M$ is losing money on every 360 produced is utter bullshit.. it's just another tactic in hyping the hardware. The only custom components in each 360 are the CPU, GPU, and DVD Drive. After that nearly everything else that makes up a 360 is off the shelf parts....
Plus all the parts except I believe the buttons on the controllers are made in China and Taiwan.. Then you got ONLY China assembling the 360s.... and China's labor is extremely cheap.... I bet those people working on the 360 assembly lines are making less than $3 a day....
Post by: ssj4android on June 28, 2006, 10:37:00 AM
Post by: MasterChief2829 on June 28, 2006, 10:38:00 AM
Post by: xboxexpert on June 28, 2006, 10:39:00 AM
QUOTE(MasterChief2829 @ Jun 28 2006, 12:45 PM)
You realize how easy that can be faked?
You realize how easy this can be real?
Post by: matthunter3 on June 28, 2006, 10:40:00 AM
QUOTE(MasterChief2829 @ Jun 28 2006, 05:45 PM)
You realize how easy that can be faked?
have you even read anything on this post?
Post by: chedabob on June 28, 2006, 10:40:00 AM
QUOTE(MasterChief2829 @ Jun 28 2006, 04:45 PM)
You realize how easy that can be faked?
OMG, you are so intelligent. Did you work that out on your own? or did you read the past 52 pages and just decide to reinstate the "obvious at first", that has now been dismissed by xecuter?
Post by: phire on June 28, 2006, 10:40:00 AM
NookularDeath: http://www.isuppli.com/news/xbox/
as far as the actual thread itself, kudos to whoever took the time to get a software solution for taking over the xbox1 emulator, nice step, however personally i feel not only is ms gonna jump all over fixing this, and doesnt really mean much for my use, but nice proof of concept
the harddrive upgrade news is great, glad to see that happen, hopefully more to come regarding this
its too bad this board has pretty much gone to shit, littered with kids who dont know shit, yet still feel compelled to blab on with speculation. However theres noone to blame, the 'scene' got huge, part of the game i guess
Post by: NookularDeath on June 28, 2006, 10:42:00 AM
QUOTE(xboxexpert @ Jun 28 2006, 11:39 AM)
When you have BILLIONS like MS does your really not looking to make money you just looking for more clients. With every 360 purchased another person buys a MS product and another person hops on the bandwagon of ever growing MS customers. They might loose money but they will gain a hell of ALOT of exposure to new people and new business in the future.
another thing that is not well documented is over 80% of MS is owned by I believe just the U.S. Government and or various world governments.
most if not all software development groups are given large amounts of money from special interest groups to develop games.....
I found it extremely funny that when I played BattleField2 on my 360 the opening videos showed a blue flag with the name `NEO-CON' at the bottom... Shit NEOCON is an acroynym for Neo-Conservative... What are the chances that a game being a wartime simulator would have that kind of insignia on it???
Post by: chedabob on June 28, 2006, 10:44:00 AM
QUOTE(NookularDeath @ Jun 28 2006, 04:49 PM)
another thing that is not well documented is over 80% of MS is owned by I believe just the U.S. Government and or various world governments.
most if not all software development groups are given large amounts of money from special interest groups to develop games.....
I found it extremely funny that when I played BattleField2 on my 360 the opening videos showed a blue flag with the name `NEO-CON' at the bottom... Shit NEOCON is an acroynym for Neo-Conservative... What are the chances that a game being a wartime simulator would have that kind of insignia on it???
or it could just be a name of a company.
OMG def-con might actually mean "definite-conspiracy"
Post by: matthunter3 on June 28, 2006, 10:46:00 AM
QUOTE(chedabob @ Jun 28 2006, 05:51 PM)
OMG def-con might actually mean "definite-conspiracy"
lol
Post by: xboxexpert on June 28, 2006, 10:52:00 AM
QUOTE(ben1989 @ Jun 28 2006, 12:57 PM)
Photo Shopd lol u can c were the text has been edited
Your right ben....Its all a hoax....nothing to see here....keep moving....behind the line people....nothing to see here. That sounds familiar doesn't it? Does that happen when there are hoards of people trying to see whats going on at the "scene" of something. Well guess what this is....the scene of something. When we get more info you can be ASSURED that it WILL be posted on the main page. Until then relax
Post by: Math1 on June 28, 2006, 10:54:00 AM
You are doing way too many drugs. 80% government owned is total bullshit as is the idea of special interest funding of "most" developers.
Post by: deusprogrammer on June 28, 2006, 10:54:00 AM
Step 1) Screen capture a screen in Avalaunch. Save it.
Step 2) Screen capture a screen from XBox 360 with that particular blade popped up. Save it.
Step 3) Us the Magic Wand tool in Photoshop on the XBox 360 picture with proper tolerance and use masking to remove any extra selection you don't want. Then go to Edit->Cut.
Step 4) Paste selection on the Avalaunch screen capture. Use Photoshop to darken the lower layer. Flatten. save as a JPEG, send to XBox-Scene.
Step 5) ????
Step 6) PROFIT!
Post by: brienj on June 28, 2006, 10:54:00 AM
QUOTE(NookularDeath @ Jun 28 2006, 12:49 PM)
another thing that is not well documented is over 80% of MS is owned by I believe just the U.S. Government and or various world governments.
most if not all software development groups are given large amounts of money from special interest groups to develop games.....
I found it extremely funny that when I played BattleField2 on my 360 the opening videos showed a blue flag with the name `NEO-CON' at the bottom... Shit NEOCON is an acroynym for Neo-Conservative... What are the chances that a game being a wartime simulator would have that kind of insignia on it???
This is actually the only post, besides the ones saying it is true, that is intelligent. I'm glad people are waking up to this fact, and only wished more would realize this. There's not much that can be done about it, but at least the games are still fun.
You only have to look at games like "Shattered Union" to realize this is indeed fact.
Post by: Donch on June 28, 2006, 10:54:00 AM
unless there is some info in the pictures that can help pinpoint an origin
Post by: the joker on June 28, 2006, 10:57:00 AM
QUOTE(deusprogrammer @ Jun 28 2006, 07:01 PM)
This clearly isn't a fancy skin. Why would anyone waste their time to make a fancy skin when it's so easy to fake the picture.
Step 1) Screen capture a screen in Avalaunch. Save it.
...
Step 6) PROFIT!
exactly how does this person make any profit when he doesn't want to be known ?
Post by: brienj on June 28, 2006, 10:59:00 AM
QUOTE(deusprogrammer @ Jun 28 2006, 01:01 PM)
This clearly isn't a fancy skin. Why would anyone waste their time to make a fancy skin when it's so easy to fake the picture.
Step 1) Screen capture a screen in Avalaunch. Save it.
Step 2) Screen capture a screen from XBox 360 with that particular blade popped up. Save it.
Step 3) Us the Magic Wand tool in Photoshop on the XBox 360 picture with proper tolerance and use masking to remove any extra selection you don't want. Then go to Edit->Cut.
Step 4) Paste selection on the Avalaunch screen capture. Use Photoshop to darken the lower layer. Flatten. save as a JPEG, send to XBox-Scene.
Step 5) ????
Step 6) PROFIT!
<sarcasm>
So all I have to do is make a photoshopped image, give it to X-S and ask to remain annonymous and I can make money? Wow, I'm getting right on that task, I'm obviously in the wrong business.
</sarcasm>
Post by: mike96sc2 on June 28, 2006, 11:00:00 AM
Post by: deusprogrammer on June 28, 2006, 11:01:00 AM
Post by: MaTtY323 on June 28, 2006, 11:01:00 AM
QUOTE(the joker @ Jun 29 2006, 03:04 AM)
exactly how does this person make any profit when he doesn't want to be known ?
He stir's up the scene, Causeing all this flaming and confusion maby?
Post by: xboxexpert on June 28, 2006, 11:02:00 AM
QUOTE(the joker @ Jun 28 2006, 01:04 PM)
exactly how does this person make any profit when he doesn't want to be known ?
Yea I mean look at all the publicity....whats his name again?.....is getting! Geeze, I forgot his name....you know the one behind the scenes working on this....you know the one making all the money.....oh man I wish I could remember his name....Maybe it was a her...I just don't recall.....
Oh well when it comes to me I'll be sure to ask how much he/she/it made from all this....Golly gee wilikers I wish I could remember the name....
Post by: tkrisko on June 28, 2006, 11:02:00 AM
Post by: Pseudoschizo_x on June 28, 2006, 11:03:00 AM
QUOTE(MaTtY323 @ Jun 28 2006, 01:08 PM)
He stir's up the scene, Causeing all this flaming and confusion maby?
And he has some sort of futuristic machine that turns mass flaming and confusion into profit?
pSc
Post by: Plebism on June 28, 2006, 11:03:00 AM
I say XBOX1 plus skin
Post by: deusprogrammer on June 28, 2006, 11:04:00 AM
QUOTE(the joker @ Jun 28 2006, 06:04 PM)
exactly how does this person make any profit when he doesn't want to be known ?
It was a joke. No one remembers that old South Park episode where the Gnomes were stealing underpants and their sales plan was:
Step 1) Steal underpants
Step 2) ????
Step 3) PROFIT!
Post by: MaTtY323 on June 28, 2006, 11:05:00 AM
QUOTE(Plebism @ Jun 29 2006, 03:10 AM)
If its a 360, how did they get such nice screen shots?? Unless there is a screen shot option in the hacked dash ... the only other was is a digi cam and the shots are to nice for that.
I say XBOX1 plus skin
Capture Card...
Post by: brienj on June 28, 2006, 11:06:00 AM
QUOTE(Plebism @ Jun 28 2006, 01:10 PM)
If its a 360, how did they get such nice screen shots?? Unless there is a screen shot option in the hacked dash ... the only other was is a digi cam and the shots are to nice for that.
I say XBOX1 plus skin
There is a thing called a video capture card, that is usually used to capture video, but *gasp* it can also be used to get a picture from that video if you know what the hell you are doing. Wow, what a breakthrough, eh?
Post by: Hindean on June 28, 2006, 11:07:00 AM
Post by: xmgr on June 28, 2006, 11:08:00 AM
QUOTE(brienj @ Jun 28 2006, 06:13 PM)
There is a thing called a video capture card, that is usually used to capture video, but *gasp* it can also be used to get a picture from that video if you know what the hell you are doing. Wow, what a breakthrough, eh?
maybe thats it? they hacked the 360 by attaching it to a capture card and somehow THEY CAPTURED THE ENCRYPTION!!!111
Post by: sofa king dumb on June 28, 2006, 11:08:00 AM
QUOTE(deusprogrammer @ Jun 28 2006, 06:11 PM)
It was a joke. No one remembers that old South Park episode where the Gnomes were stealing underpants and their sales plan was:
Step 1) Steal underpants
Step 2) ????
Step 3) PROFIT!
lol, exactly
Post by: EverReadyEverWil on June 28, 2006, 11:10:00 AM
Yea the image was opened in photoshop, my camera is shit, but I only resized and adjusted the contrast you have my word.
Shitty pic, sorry, you all are thinking too hard, everyone is calling PHOTOSHOP. Its not even that complicated.
1)Get a screenshot of Ava or what ever else you want.
2)Put it in your PCs shared pictures folder
3)Boot up your 360 go to media, images, and select the image
4)The picture menu will fade, and you can now open up the "Blades" and take all the pictures you want.
Post by: Lightning|Striker on June 28, 2006, 11:14:00 AM
QUOTE(xmgr @ Jun 28 2006, 01:15 PM)
maybe thats it? they hacked the 360 by attaching it to a capture card and somehow THEY CAPTURED THE ENCRYPTION!!!111
OMFG! THAT'S IT!
-^___^- I'm not going to bother posting anything that I see as "Fake" anymore, just hoping for the best over here.
Post by: Bilal Ayub on June 28, 2006, 11:17:00 AM
Read the comments below. DEVIL 360! Xbox 1 homebrew running natively on 360 hardware. No emualtion. 360 apps being developed such as ftp360 and HDD360 from the ground up. USB, 2.5, 3.5, SATA/IDE hard drives.
SOUNDS GOOD.
Post by: kics on June 28, 2006, 11:18:00 AM
"Xbox-Scene.com post this article today regarding some pictures
Some ppl were screaming fake - we can assure you they are real - some way to go yet in various areas. But yes you can see a larger HDD and Avalaunch in the screenshots - no photoshop going on there "
so.... homebrew is coming
Post by: jamie23uk on June 28, 2006, 11:18:00 AM
this site adds to all the hype and bullshit !
Post by: Bilal Ayub on June 28, 2006, 11:18:00 AM
Read the comments below. DEVIL 360! Xbox 1 homebrew running natively on 360 hardware. No emualtion. 360 apps being developed such as ftp360 and HDD360 from the ground up. USB, 2.5, 3.5, SATA/IDE hard drives.
SOUNDS GOOD.
Post by: andem on June 28, 2006, 11:21:00 AM
In other words, would XBMC running in emulation on the 360 have more power to decode HD content?
Do emulated games lag less or more in the emulator compared to the original xbox?
Post by: beal209 on June 28, 2006, 11:22:00 AM
Post by: Insipidus on June 28, 2006, 11:24:00 AM
, but it seems dozens of the naysayers are going back and deleting their cries of fake. Hopefully a sign that these simple folk have finally grasped this is real.One other point however, if this has been done on a developer/debug console then is the hard drive upgrade really significant to us? It's meant to be upgradable on dev consoles anyway I believe.
Post by: xmgr on June 28, 2006, 11:24:00 AM
QUOTE(beal209 @ Jun 28 2006, 06:29 PM)
I feel sorry for anyone that beleives this lets think about it people some was able to do this and they haveny tried to market it yet. This is some bored high school with too much time on his hands that wants to see how many people he can fool with this.
An entire school?
Wow,
So Im guessing its the school that XS founders and team xecuter went to?
What a coincidence.
Where is this school, I might send my kids there
Post by: deusprogrammer on June 28, 2006, 11:24:00 AM
Just so you know this is a joke
Post by: killab138 on June 28, 2006, 11:25:00 AM
a stone was thrown and the ripples are still here.
even if it is fake i applaude the admins for the hoax.
and now i want my 50 bucks it went passed 42
pages.....come on hsdemonz pay up sucka!!
Post by: deusprogrammer on June 28, 2006, 11:26:00 AM
Post by: deusprogrammer on June 28, 2006, 11:30:00 AM
Post by: deusprogrammer on June 28, 2006, 11:32:00 AM
Post by: killab138 on June 28, 2006, 11:34:00 AM
QUOTE
Awww, no one's going to comment on my crappy photoshop?
oh...ok....its crappy.....happy now?
just kiddin...i like how the ff screen looks all crappy and the blade looks all clear!
nice!!!
Post by: deusprogrammer on June 28, 2006, 11:35:00 AM
Post by: matthunter3 on June 28, 2006, 11:35:00 AM
From Team-Xecuter:
This is not total BS like most of what xs forumers are saying it is a result of our tireless eforts to hack the 360!
From Matthunter3's mind
Post by: killab138 on June 28, 2006, 11:36:00 AM
Post by: matthunter3 on June 28, 2006, 11:36:00 AM
From Team-Xecuter:
This is not total BS like most of what xs forumers are saying it is a result of our tireless eforts to hack the 360!
From Matthunter3's mind
srry mods double post
Post by: matthunter3 on June 28, 2006, 11:39:00 AM
Post by: riahc3 on June 28, 2006, 11:49:00 AM
QUOTE(mr_sheen @ Jun 28 2006, 06:14 PM)
why close it? Maybe an argument for moving the thread, but were on the verge of a breakthrough (allegedly) and were not meant to talk about it?
The real/fake debate is actually healthy, although if I read one more post saying "photoshop", I may start to scream.
Speculation can be pretty good as well. I'm sure we will find out in a matter of days so it is interesting to read how people think it has been hacked and what the limitations are.
aaarrrrrrggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
Scream all you want bitch...Its a photoshop. Plain and Simple.
QUOTE(noen @ Jun 28 2006, 06:17 PM)
Except you are dead wrong.
MS loses a massive amount on every console sold.
In fact, since the days of the Genesis and SNES, no console manufacturer has made money on the system hardware, they all sell at a loss.
So no, MS isn't doing this to sell more consoles. They watch the homebrew and modders because they can use their ideas in future commercial products, and they can't legally stop them anyway.
Altho this is true, in the end it compensates IMO so a modable console would be attractive to them and clients.
Post by: Kthulu on June 28, 2006, 11:49:00 AM
1. i could take a screenshot of a NES game playing in a NES emulator on my PC
2. i could then super-impose this on a picture of my TV screen with an xbox1 clearly seen plugged into my TV
viola, i have a hoax! you people are so gullible. all this time you thought you were running homebrew on an xbox1, but it was just your imagination and the power of suggestion exerted by a clever photoshop job.
ok, that prolly wasn't as humorous as i wanted it to be, but the point is this: just because the pics could easily be faked, doesn't mean they are fake. i could make a fake ID that says i'm over 21 or i could actually be over 21!
Post by: Ozy on June 28, 2006, 11:59:00 AM
QUOTE(nikon57 @ Jun 28 2006, 06:59 PM)
<Rant>
It's too bad XS is full of people (more the likely kids) who have no concept of what is
and what is not possible, most of them have no idea what is actually involved in reverse engineering
and hacking. They come on here follow a simple tutorial and think they are gods.
I have been working with hardware for 15 years, and I graduated as a Software Engineer, I don't come on here telling everyone what is and isn't real.
Before asking stupid questions, do some research like everyone else has to do?
And now more to the point, stop kicking the dead horse.
I have read enough it is / isn't real posts.
Take it for what it is, and wait awhile and you will see what comes of it.
</Rant>
Well said.
Post by: Ozy on June 28, 2006, 12:01:00 PM
Post by: Tiptup300 on June 28, 2006, 12:02:00 PM
QUOTE(nikon57 @ Jun 28 2006, 01:59 PM)
<Rant>
It's too bad XS is full of people (more the likely kids) who have no concept of what is
and what is not possible, most of them have no idea what is actually involved in reverse engineering
and hacking. They come on here follow a simple tutorial and think they are gods.
I have been working with hardware for 15 years, and I graduated as a Software Engineer, I don't come on here telling everyone what is and isn't real.
Before asking stupid questions, do some research like everyone else has to do?
And now more to the point, stop kicking the dead horse.
I have read enough it is / isn't real posts.
Take it for what it is, and wait awhile and you will see what comes of it.
</Rant>
You said it, in like 1 hour it went from 2 pages to 24
Post by: Tiptup300 on June 28, 2006, 12:03:00 PM
QUOTE(Acidmatrix @ Jun 28 2006, 02:07 PM)
This has to be totally fake. Just the 360 skin on the original xbox in XBMC. Pictures were recieved but no explanations or footage. If this is real were are the details and to be honest i wouldnt trust footage of the apparent 360 running it until in box footage confirms it. I have seen some guys working on and may even have finished there original xbox hardware in the 360 case.
Gonna take more than a couple of pics to convince me.
CAN SOMEONE SAY DEE DEE DEE!!!!!!!! ARGH, YOU IS A RETARD!
Post by: -=OC_Outlaw on June 28, 2006, 12:04:00 PM
Dee Dee Dee
j/k wait for teh real shit to come out
Post by: spongy on June 28, 2006, 12:07:00 PM
The sad thing is, the intelligent one's won't come back after reading this thread.
Is this really the kind of discussion x-scene wants in the "technical hacking" part of their forums ?
Post by: mr_sheen on June 28, 2006, 12:11:00 PM
QUOTE(spongy @ Jun 28 2006, 07:14 PM)
Is this really the kind of discussion x-scene wants in the "technical hacking" part of their forums ?
agreed. It should be moved.
Post by: xboxexpert on June 28, 2006, 12:23:00 PM
QUOTE(mr_sheen @ Jun 28 2006, 02:18 PM)
agreed. It should be moved.
Ask the admin to remove it then.
Post by: smartygre1 on June 28, 2006, 12:23:00 PM
But only time shall tell.
Post by: mr_sheen on June 28, 2006, 12:26:00 PM
QUOTE(xboxexpert @ Jun 28 2006, 07:30 PM)
Ask the admin to remove it then.
they scare me, you do it!
(hides)
Post by: xboxexpert on June 28, 2006, 12:26:00 PM
QUOTE(smartygre1 @ Jun 28 2006, 02:30 PM)
Occam's razor may apply here.
But only time shall tell.
You are correct entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily but hey this is the scene
Post by: rulvnthatwigs on June 28, 2006, 12:31:00 PM
Post by: Andydigital on June 28, 2006, 12:39:00 PM
QUOTE(rulvnthatwigs @ Jun 28 2006, 07:38 PM)
Ok idk about the HD but all you have to do is put a screenshot of ava. on your 360 and then go to photo's and have it display on your 360 then all you have to do is click the middle button and it will look like you are using it on your 360.
Dude thanks for being the 400th person in the thread to think of that truely amazing idea, i'd almost forgotten about it
Post by: tayl0124 on June 28, 2006, 12:49:00 PM
That is just my 2¢
Post by: cammy1011 on June 28, 2006, 12:54:00 PM
Post by: Carcharius on June 28, 2006, 12:55:00 PM
QUOTE(tayl0124 @ Jun 28 2006, 07:56 PM)
This is either one of two things. Either it is a xbox with the xbmc-360 skin running, or it is a 360 and an xbox hooked up to the same tv, both on and the one image shows through the other. I have this happen with some of my components if I forget to turn one off. As for the hard drive size. I am thinking that it could be an external drive, that will not let you save games and etc, or that part was photoshoped.
That is just my 2¢
Or option 3 - and this is a bit controversial...
...it's exactly what it says it is.
Post by: chrismcdowell25 on June 28, 2006, 01:10:00 PM
Post by: Brouhaha on June 28, 2006, 01:10:00 PM
So, can you smartasses even read before drawing conclusions? Because, well, after Team Avalaunch, Team X-ecuter and respected/known members backing this up, aren't you people worried to look VERY stupid and ignorant if it is indeed true? I know I would...
Post by: GomerPyle on June 28, 2006, 01:16:00 PM
Post by: XBNormUK on June 28, 2006, 01:19:00 PM
Please everyone stop filling this thread full of shit and do soemthing useful with your time instead!
I dont know, have a couple of beers, play a game, enjoy some casual masturbation, whatever it is just stop saying anything along the lines of........
Its fake, probably photoshop.....
Look, i have done a photoshop exactly like it.....
Or the old favourite, how can an anonymous source be trusted?....
In fact, I reckon we should start invoking some sort of penalty system for anyone putting up pointless posts repeating those things. Anyway, look, that is now my second pointless post, look what you have done, I have in fact, become a twat, thanks to this thread I am now a twat. Right then, im off to make my own photshop and post it with some shocking revelation that its really easy to make pics like this.
So yeah, please everyone stop filling this thread full of shit and do something useful with your time instead! 59 pages!
Oh yeah and btw, if i was to make one point of actual sincerity, like i said back on page 6 or something, this isnt a fake, as only a moron would put up such an easily fakeable fake! get it!
Oh dear im rambling now............bye
Post by: Hack_kid on June 28, 2006, 01:20:00 PM
just my 02 cents
Hack_kid
Post by: oddname on June 28, 2006, 01:25:00 PM
QUOTE(Hack_kid @ Jun 28 2006, 09:27 PM)
complete bs. even with wired controller it shows the shut down controller its just grayed out. You notice both programs running you can take screenshots in? they probably took screen shots loaded em fullsecreen in XBMC then pressed start and went to the shutdown tab. I can re-create that in like 5 min. How about the fact that the 360 doesnt use .xbe files which surreal is.
just my 02 cents
Hack_kid
How about the fact that it might be emulated? Afaik all xbox1 games use xbe
just my 02cents
Post by: Justincredibal on June 28, 2006, 01:27:00 PM
QUOTE(BlackOmega @ Jun 28 2006, 03:18 PM)
http://www.team-xecuter.com/
If team Xcuter says it´s real, them it probably is.
As for Xbox 1 software running on the 360, BIG DEAL, it´s just a matter of doing some quick tweaks to the source code, re-compile it using the 360´s SDK, done, there you have it, avalaunch for the 360.
Now, I hope the ppl over XBMC port their soft to the 360 and give us a nice media center capable of playing HD WMV/H.264/HD-Divx and other stuff that my Xbox1 is not fast enough to play.
Yup the guy with 5 posts knows how to make homebrew run on the 360. Im glad we got this break through! ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS "doing some quick tweaks to the source code, re-compile it using the 360´s SDK, done".
Shutup B-Word.
Post by: crispwarez on June 28, 2006, 02:04:00 PM
Post by: killab138 on June 28, 2006, 01:29:00 PM
kicked bruce springstein in the nuts, then stole his pants,
jumped back in the time machine, went to 1992,
cut off billy ray cirus' mullet, punched him in his throat,
bought a issue of MAD,rolled it up real tight,
shoved it up their ass,went in the future to 2025,
pooped it out, wrote themselves a letter,
left duct taped it to the poop, got back in the time machine,
took a picture of your mom naked,then went to 1981
bought stock in m.s., went back again to hang out with jesus,
came back to 2006 and this all happened as a result.
this is exactly how it happened and i dare anyone to prove me wrong
p.s i am currently taking twelve different medications....
....shhhhhh...the beavers can hear us!!!!
Post by: Schmoozer on June 28, 2006, 01:39:00 PM
Post by: juanman on June 28, 2006, 01:39:00 PM
next up, all the retards saying about how to do it, if you dumbasses would have read even 5 other pages of posts, you would have seen this has already been covered, youre not a clever little genious who thinks they found out how to do it
next
its real, the major people in the scene have confirmed it (ie hsd, xantium, xboxexpert, etc...), team xecuter have confirmed it (who is team x you might ask, well look some of the MAJOR and REPUTABLE modchip producers, im sure youll stumble upon who team xecuter is), and so has team avalaunch
one of the possible reasons why they didnt release it could be this, dont you think they have bugs to work out and have to improve the code and make it more stable? you know programs and apps arent released as soon as they are made, ever hear of things called alpha and beta testing? yea, this is when they test it out to work out any flaws. ever think this is what theyre doing?
if what everyone has been saying is true, it points to that the backward compatibilty has be exploited, hence why there was no need for a 360 version of avalaunch, it was just exploited and the regular version is being ran via back compat mode.
but for xboxexpert, he said that the surreal 64 in the pictures is not like what has ever seen before, which says its a new version, whihc i thiks could go like this
back compat mode exploited -> avalaunch launched -> 360 apps are then launched from avalaunch (programs made to run natively on the 360, not in back compat mode) -> hence the never before seen version of surreal 64, it is a version built for the 360
well theres what ive gathered from reading the 50+ pages of crap......
Post by: Terdinglage on June 28, 2006, 02:22:00 PM
Dumbass Things
1. It's the 360 Skin for XBMC!!!! <- I don't think this requires an explaination. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
2. Its photoshopped, look I can make the dashboard pic. <- Well of course you can but try doing that system tab so perfectly, I once again reiterate this point.
3. How can a source be both annonymous and trusted? <- Trusted to the mods, but doesnt want to be public and get anally raped by m$.
4. Isn't there a turn off controller button in the guide? <- Check for yourself, there isn't one for a wired controller.
5. How can he possibly have taken a screenshot of the 360 screen? <- OMFG, havent you heard of a capture card.
6. But they dont make 500 GB Sata HDs! <- Who said it had to be SATA?!?!?
7. Why havent they shown a useful menu rather than the shutdown <- Those with 360s know the full Xbox Guide capabilites are not available in during Xbox 1 emulation.
8. "the font is wrong" <- What the hell is this person talking about...
9. I'm sure there are several more, but I don't have time to look them all up...
The Theorys
1. Ultimately, the only theory gathered by these mounds of posts on the actual functionality of the exploit was simple. The hack was accomplished by cracking the Xbox 1 emulator used by the 360 for backwards compatability to make it launch none other than the dashboard Avalaunch. It is probably a software-based exploit rather than hardware, and is obiously still in a state which one would consider alpha, but basically getting Avalaunch to launch means any of the old Xbox homebrew is fair game.
2. An interesting theory I read about on why we have so little information is that the Scene is waiting for a big Fourth of July release to celebrate the Independece of the Xbox 360. So, in essence, this thread remains unlocked and we remain in the dark so all the big scene members and devs can look back at it and laugh.
3. That this is somehow related to Devil360 and it turns out Devil's "small security hole" was real and they just go unsigned code booting and wanted to taunt the world. Not something I personally believe, but hey...
The Facts
1. The news was from a trusted source, one who has XanTium's, and the rest of Xbox-Scene's trust.
2. Team Xecuter supported the legitimacy of the hack by posting the following on their site:
QUOTE(Team-Xecuter)
Xbox-Scene.com post this article today regarding some pictures (LINK)
Some ppl were screaming fake - we can assure you they are real - some way to go yet in various areas. But yes you can see a larger HDD and Avalaunch in the screenshots - no photoshop going on there
3. Team Avalaunch also supported the hack, by posting this on their webpage:Some ppl were screaming fake - we can assure you they are real - some way to go yet in various areas. But yes you can see a larger HDD and Avalaunch in the screenshots - no photoshop going on there
QUOTE(Team Avalaunch)
We at Team Avalaunch would just like to take a moment to congratulate the individual(s?) who were able to take the screenshots that many of us have now seen over on X/S. We are proud of the voracity that xbox modders have shown, and even prouder that they would choose Avalaunch as a test bed. We look forward to the future and the many new applications that will follow.
4. Maxconsole also supported the existance of the hack, by posting the following on their blog:QUOTE(Maxconsole)
Team Xecuter Confirm Validity Of 360 Larger Hard Drive & Avalaunch On 360 Pics!
Pfffft, as if us giving you our word that the pictures of an Xbox 360 recognizing larger hard drives and running Xbox 1 homebrew wasn't enough, the world renowned Xbox/360 hackers (not really 360 yet we know) over at Team Xecuter have gone and asssured the whole scene that the pics are real and there is absolutely no photoshopping trickery going on. So you have our word, you have Team Xecuter's word - now do you believe ? We sure hope so!
Pfffft, as if us giving you our word that the pictures of an Xbox 360 recognizing larger hard drives and running Xbox 1 homebrew wasn't enough, the world renowned Xbox/360 hackers (not really 360 yet we know) over at Team Xecuter have gone and asssured the whole scene that the pics are real and there is absolutely no photoshopping trickery going on. So you have our word, you have Team Xecuter's word - now do you believe ? We sure hope so!
Summary
1. If I had to sum EVERYTHING up, I would say that this is in fact real, and will have a HUGE impact on the scene. We will be able to continue from our previous progress with the Xbox 1, but getting to utilize a much more impressive array of resources and CPU power at our disposal. And for the pirates out there, this probably wont lead to the effective game loading we so enjoy on the Xbox 1, but you have the DVD Firmware hack for that one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) .
And just to entertain the other possiblity of it being fake I will say one thing. Let us all hope it isnt, because not only will we have lost a hack of amazing potential, but the credibility of the entire Xbox Scene may take a blow from which it cannot recover.
That's it, now you all have a good night (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) .
Post by: Chancer on June 28, 2006, 02:25:00 PM
Too many posts of stupid photoshop images and flaming and nonsense posts.
Too many to sort out.
Don't start this discussion any where else.
If this is to be allowed to run it will be re-opened after checking with admin on this and there will be posting rules.
Someone had to stick their head above the parapet. Guess its me.
Post by: HSDEMONZ on June 30, 2006, 08:54:00 PM
Xantium posting that news article 3+ days ago sure has stirred up a hornet nest.
While I should not be commenting on this.. I feel I must clear the air and make a statement, one that will satisfy many of the naysayers.. while probably pushing a few more to further debate and denounce the pictures as fakes.
XS, is a forum, a loose community of like minded people enjoying and tinkering and tweaking the Xbox and Xbox 360 consoles. Our community, while mandated to publicly be a English speaking site, is made up of a huge cornucopia of people from different backgrounds, cultures, and languages/dialects.
English is NOT the native language for many of our readers, members, and posters. With that being said, Xantiums native language is not English. His written English is better than most native English people I know. But at times, little things slip by.
People have been commenting a lot on a comment he made..
Look what we received today from an anonymous, but trusted, source ...
Allow me a minute to better explain this comment. There are a number of ways he could have worded this better.. that would have stayed many of the negative feedback/comments people have been making. Thats water under the bridge. While we at XS do strive to try and give you the most professional XS news page and articles we can, we arent perfect. Errors, omissions, and sometimes slight (and sometimes glaring) grammatical errors slip in. We accept that. We strive for perfection, but we do fall short.
I wont sit here and speak for Xantium. He doesnt need me to do that for him.. nor anyone for that matter. However, I would like to clarify the comment regardless.
Those pics, are from someone that Xantium trusts. There are not many people in the scene that he trusts. There are also not that many people that hed go to bat for, and protect in this manner. (I assure you.. its a temporary but necessary measure). Xantium feels we need to continue, at least for the meantime further with-hold some info like the sources name, etc.. that thats good enough for me. It should be good enough for many of you.
Most of you wouldnt have modded you box, or done a lot of the things you have without this site that Xantium have carefully crafted and planned out and made available to you.
Xantium RARELY gets the credit he deserves. He doesnt mind sitting back, quietly observing, quietly serving, knowing that he has made a community here to be proud of.
He had the vision.. and the gumption to made a site, make a plan, and work that plan into the XS you see today.
Angerwound, The Joker, MomDad, Team Xecuter, Team Avalaunch, Xantium in various ways have all said this is legit. Add my name to that list. Guys like Sniperkilla on IRC have further detailed how this is legit and possible.
When Xantium is ready, and when the team that has done the amazing accomplishment are ready to reveal the full scope of their work and the results thereof, XS will be here.. and we will post the Full Monty so to speak.
For those that are concerned that XS posted the news in this manner for profit, Im not sure how to comment. I will say this though.. that every single article, not just this one, helps bring people, and help to continue to bring people back to the news page. When people visit the XS news page, and to a lesser extent the forums, there are various forms of ads.
XS is supported by ads from our sponsors. We do appreciate the support of those sponsors, and hope that the membership does avail themselves of the deal that can be had by clicking on a sponsor when you see fit.
However, we do not force anyone to view ads, We also do not endorse or condone pop-up or under ads, and have worked hard to control and prevent those type of ads.
Ads, keep XS alive. Xs, and all of the scene sites we directly host and support, need that money. However, as a user you are free (and sometimes encouraged if ads bother you) to use AD block type of technology.
The Users of XS are some of the most tech savy people Ive met.. and if they werent when they first arrive.. they quickly become so.
XS, does NOT make any money unless you choose to participate and interact with an ad, and make a purchase, or click an ad, etc.
So, while we will never post a story to jerk your chain and just to drive up hits (we get plenty, we are the biggest site in the world for what we do) I, nor Xantium, would outright lie or deceive to get your attention.
The news post, while maybe not as detailed as wed like to have post.. was a necessary evil.
We were damned if we do, damned if we dont. If we posted absolutely nothing.. wed be accused of holding back, withholding information. If we post everything, other shit on us and say we are somehow tied to the teams in question and are monopolizing the scene.
We do the best we can with the hands we are dealt. Things are moving quickly, and Im sure in due time Xantium, and the dev team(s) in question will make many eat their words on this topic.
The Mods are free to re-open this topic at their discretion.