Post by: Xbox-Scene on February 16, 2008, 08:58:00 PM
Toshiba Pulls the Plug on HD DVD - Ends Format War Posted by XanTium | February 16 22:22 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
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Post by: eldritch2k4 on February 16, 2008, 09:32:00 PM
Post by: mafiaboy01 on February 16, 2008, 09:37:00 PM
Post by: DMAddict on February 16, 2008, 09:05:00 PM
Post by: mlmadmax on February 16, 2008, 09:43:00 PM
I guess it is time to buy some hddvd's for cheap real soon.
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on February 16, 2008, 09:55:00 PM
Post by: yardline on February 16, 2008, 10:01:00 PM
Post by: xtriker on February 16, 2008, 09:29:00 PM
Post by: djtonic on February 16, 2008, 10:05:00 PM
That's all she wrote!
Guess I will be adding a PS3 to my collection after all. I've planned on it for a while but this makes me even more likely.
~Dj~
Post by: darkmike57 on February 16, 2008, 10:06:00 PM
Post by: djtonic on February 16, 2008, 09:32:00 PM
QUOTE(xtriker @ Feb 17 2008, 06:05 AM) 
I'm just going to wait for the Xbox "720". Until then, Ill be renting HD movies with my 360.
Rent em where? Havent you been reading the news over the last couple months? buy as many as you can right now or when they go to the clearance bins.
~Dj~
Post by: stevenalvarado on February 16, 2008, 09:36:00 PM
QUOTE(ILLusions0fGrander @ Feb 17 2008, 05:55 AM)
I'd say i'm more likely to buy a PS3 now.
me 2, I dont know about you but I stayed out of this war and just espect this to think about buying one hd player, blue ray that is for sure. for now...
Post by: running_wild on February 16, 2008, 09:39:00 PM
QUOTE(darkmike57 @ Feb 17 2008, 04:06 PM)
I expect to see a huge boost in PS3 sales in the upcoming months.
Really? I'm not so sure. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray sales still pale in comparison to DVD sales - that seems to indicatethe consumer doesn't really care so much about next gen formats. Granted, this may push people to adopt the format - I'm still not so sure this warrents the massive uptake of the PS3.
People will buy the consoles primarily for games - not for its DVD/Blu-Ray (Goodbye to HD-DVD playback included here) capabilities. I wouldn't expect Blu-Ray to increase in popularity until players drop to a reasonable price - which will be a while off anyway - so I can't see it boosting PS3 sales by too much at all. There will be definately be a small increase in sales, though I don't predict a large one. (Of course I'm just a regular bloke guessing, But We will see
).Its only a matter of time before Microsoft come out with a blu-ray accessory anyway, if you're really into getting blu-ray this early.
Post by: xtriker on February 16, 2008, 10:16:00 PM
QUOTE(djtonic @ Feb 17 2008, 06:08 AM) 
Rent em where? Havent you been reading the news over the last couple months? buy as many as you can right now or when they go to the clearance bins.
~Dj~
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Post by: BasicAir on February 16, 2008, 10:19:00 PM
I already own a PS3 (strictly for Blu-ray, mind you). My HD DVD addon will still work for life as it works on PC's. The next Xbox will probably allow it to connect, too. So I'll still use my HD DVD collection for a long time.
I'll still buy HD DVD exclusives for now, too. American Gangster is one of them.
I doubt Universal will start cranking out Blu-ray releases for quite awhile. I'd even bet 2009 would be the earliest.
Post by: mduga on February 16, 2008, 10:13:00 PM
Anyone know how the PS3 rates as a bluray player? Are the standalones better? Not sure which option I am going with yet, but I would think that standalones are better. Since PS3 doesn't have any really good games, it's not worth getting one if it's bluray player is not that good. I will wait until their next price drop though.
Post by: ekruob on February 16, 2008, 10:26:00 PM
QUOTE(mduga @ Feb 17 2008, 03:49 PM)
Anyone know how the PS3 rates as a bluray player? Are the standalones better?
The PS3 is the only option for a reasonably priced full-spec. player right now.
However it consumes 200 watts of power as opposed to stand-alone players that use about 40 watts.
Also it is region-locked for both DVDs and Blu-ray Discs (some Blu-ray players are not region locked for Blu-ray nor DVD).
The only other option right now for a full-spec. player is Panasonic's BD50, just a little pricey though!
QUOTE(mduga @ Feb 17 2008, 03:49 PM)
I will wait until their next price drop though.
Good luck with that :-)
Post by: DAvidl919 on February 16, 2008, 10:28:00 PM
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Post by: majik655 on February 16, 2008, 11:44:00 PM
I mean if they take a bigger loss on the hardware wouldn't this be made up in blu ray sales PLUS allowing even more people to purchase the ps3 again boosting more sales of software and movies?
Since they basically own the market now on movies shouldn't this drive the blu ray side of hardware down in pricing?
Post by: AdamWest on February 17, 2008, 12:39:00 AM
Doesn't matter to me I'm happy with my DVDs thank you very much. Buying either format never crossed my mind.
I kind of hoped that Sony would lose the second war though oh well wishful thinking.
As for buying a PS3 until a REAL compelling title is released like Metal Gear Solid or another big franchise forget about it.
Titles sell consoles not the added functionality of DVD playback thats just a bonus and a sneaky ploy by Sony to get users hooked on Bluray.
Post by: ausmods on February 17, 2008, 12:42:00 AM
So whats microsofts next step? An external Blu-ray drive? Would they still consider it even thought the said they never planned on releasing a blu-ray drive for the 360?
Post by: digital71 on February 17, 2008, 01:05:00 AM
QUOTE(ausmods @ Feb 17 2008, 09:18 AM)
Would they still consider it even thought the said they never planned on releasing a blu-ray drive for the 360?
Then again, I doubt they were planning on HD-DVD ending so soon
Post by: fataldog187 on February 17, 2008, 01:11:00 AM
I think this still qualifies as a rumor until an official announcement is made by Toshiba or the HD DVD promotional group. I am also somewhat surprised at the way it is being reported on X-S without at least a "Rumor:" tag in front of the story or something like "Toshiba plans to pull the plug, says source" etc. :s
Also, if they ARE pulling the plug, Toshiba would be alienating many loyal home theater enthusiasts that have put a lot of money into a great format. Many of whom are still willing to continue supporting the format in spite of some of the recent developments. I certainly don't expect Toshiba to bankrupt themselves supporting HD DVD but I would be extremely surprised if they were going to pull the plug entirely with such a loyal user base already established and as large as it is. There are still people willing to spend money on the format and for Toshiba to abandon it completely would seem foolish on thier part.
With that said, I have some reservations on a sinking ship, would anyone care to join me?
Post by: BanditRW on February 17, 2008, 01:17:00 AM
At the moment it is the best choice as a BR player as far as price goes,plus the fact that it has the added option of playing games.I bought my PS3 on Launch day and I pretty much only use it as a BR player.I't s a little slow at loading and skipping chapters but then I don't have another BR player to compare it to so I don't know if this is normal.It is noticeably slower than my 360 HD-DVD player but they both look great in 1080p thru HDMI.
Well I guess this means I won't be completing my Battlestar Galactica or Star Trek:TOS HD collections...at least not on HD-DVD......
Post by: patrick122786 on February 17, 2008, 01:31:00 AM
Post by: 47_M450N_47 on February 17, 2008, 02:22:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on February 17, 2008, 03:20:00 AM
QUOTE(mduga @ Feb 17 2008, 05:49 AM)
This must piss off a lot of people that bought hd-dvd players. I almost did right before x-mas, when they were only $90. Glad I did not.
Anyone know how the PS3 rates as a bluray player? Are the standalones better? Not sure which option I am going with yet, but I would think that standalones are better. Since PS3 doesn't have any really good games, it's not worth getting one if it's bluray player is not that good. I will wait until their next price drop though.
For the money and the facility to play games as well, you can't go wrong.
The Sony haters will tell you how crap they are etc etc . The truth is the PS3 is a very good Blu Ray player that can be upgraded via a software update for new profiles. The quality is no different to HD DVD. I have the Toshiba standalone HD DVD player through the same TV and there is no difference in the playback quality.
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The worst thing with HD-DVD loosing is that HD-DVD was mutch better with the HD-DVD Extras and that HD-DVD was moore consumer friendly.
You don't own either format yet you are capable of making a decision on which format is best? Fine if you have done some research. That doesn't appear to be so. Have a look at upgradeable profiles on Blu Ray, to see what is and is not possible both now and in the future.
More consumer friendly? Having an extra feature does not make something more consumer friendly. In fact the more options, the less consumer friendly a device of any type can be. It makes it complicated for the average buyer.
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There have been no official announcements from Toshiba concerning this, only an 'unidentified source' saying "We have entered the final stage of planning to make our exit from the next generation DVD business" Source: (Reuters reporting on NHK story).
I think this still qualifies as a rumor until an official announcement is made by Toshiba or the HD DVD promotional group. I am also somewhat surprised at the way it is being reported on X-S without at least a "Rumor:" tag in front of the story or something like "Toshiba plans to pull the plug, says source" etc. :s
I think this still qualifies as a rumor until an official announcement is made by Toshiba or the HD DVD promotional group. I am also somewhat surprised at the way it is being reported on X-S without at least a "Rumor:" tag in front of the story or something like "Toshiba plans to pull the plug, says source" etc. :s
You are still grasping at straws. The format is effectively finished. Toshiba simply can't afford the cost of going it alone on this. Their supposed friends quickly turned to enemies and the cheap prices on players was obviously a sell out at heavy loss to Toshiba. Makes it a deal and a half right now.
I am about to remove the stupid gloating posts in here and the war is over in this thread as well. There is no need for stupid antagonistic attempts to "rub peoples noses in it". Believe it or not now is a very good time to purchase an HD DVD player.
Post by: johnnyrico on February 17, 2008, 03:48:00 AM
but let's look at it from the bright side: blu-ray doesn't have all those encryptions HD-DVD has and it has a higher theoretical capacity.
Post by: spoone on February 17, 2008, 04:55:00 AM
QUOTE(majik655 @ Feb 17 2008, 09:20 AM)
Couldn't this allow sony to drop the price of the ps3 sooner (quicker) than predicted.
I mean if they take a bigger loss on the hardware wouldn't this be made up in blu ray sales PLUS allowing even more people to purchase the ps3 again boosting more sales of software and movies?
Since they basically own the market now on movies shouldn't this drive the blu ray side of hardware down in pricing?
think about it.
they won.
if you want to go HD, you have to buy a bluerayplayer.
they won't drop any prices as they basically own the market now.
now they dictate the price.
spoone
Post by: Chancer on February 17, 2008, 05:27:00 AM
QUOTE(spoone @ Feb 17 2008, 12:31 PM)
think about it.
they won.
if you want to go HD, you have to buy a bluerayplayer.
they won't drop any prices as they basically own the market now.
now they dictate the price.
spoone
That will not happen, because, Individual manufacturers will now have confidence to put money into manufacturing BR Players. Those same manufacturers (especially the Chinese ones) will want the biggest share of the market which will normally be achieved through price. natural manufacturer competition between all the companies will dictate price and prices will come down.
If only Sony was allowed to manufacture the only HD format available, then the scenario is a monopoly and they dictate the market price. This is nothing like.
What you have stated is like saying if we wanted optical playback (DVD) previously then the price would always be high because there was no other optical format to compete. The prices still dropped to ridiculous levels because each manufacturer want the biggest share of that.
Post by: PirateElf on February 17, 2008, 05:28:00 AM
QUOTE(stezo2k @ Feb 17 2008, 11:52 AM)
i'm not going to buy anything bluray for a long while, i'd rather support a dead format than sony
I highly doubt I will ever own anything Blu-ray. It's not a format that I would support or dump money into. The future was HD-DVD but with that dream dead I will stick to Hi-Def downloads for any Hi-Def needs. Blu-ray brings nothing but restrictions and Sony to the table and frankly neither one of those are pleasing.
QUOTE(spoone @ Feb 17 2008, 01:31 PM)
they won't drop any prices as they basically own the market now.
now they dictate the price.
And we all know how that's going to go. Sony knew they wouldn't win unless they had the studios and they spent the money (see bought out) in securing that. That price will be reflected in the system itself. Even before the downward spiral of HD-DVD, HD-DVD was the clear choice in price, product, and abilities. However, as many a consumer has learned Sony's pockets go deep and it doesn't matter what you (the consumer) want or care about because in the end it's all about the profit.
We will all miss HD-DVD. To blu-ray supporters: Enjoy your cripple ware and congratulations.
Post by: tummybanana on February 17, 2008, 06:00:00 AM
Post by: xboxjason on February 17, 2008, 06:20:00 AM
I've argued (more like excitedly discussed) with my friends since the beginning of this format war, why Blu-Ray was going to win. I'm glad this is finally over, I may now tip my hat to them.
The formula:
-PS3 pushes Blu-Ray and
-Blu-Ray pushes PS3.
It was a brilliant idea on Sony's part, although risky. But it definitely worked (obviously many other factors helped a lot such as the exclusivity deals etc.)
But now you will see a real jump in PS3 sales due to this being over. And before someone quotes me and attempts to counter what I've said or prove me wrong, no. I'm not going to reply. I'm done. As I've said before, just let the cards play out to see the winner.
Now I wait anxiously to buy a Blu-Ray burner (Once the price drops of course). Here's to the end of this ridiculous format war!
~Jason
Post by: mironicus on February 17, 2008, 07:00:00 AM
Post by: grim_d on February 17, 2008, 07:06:00 AM
lots of cheap hd-dvds
Post by: hot on February 17, 2008, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: ONI5 on February 17, 2008, 08:27:00 AM
QUOTE(Bandit5317 @ Feb 17 2008, 06:55 AM)
That's all, folks. Cue huge celebration in Times Square, equivalent to the celebration at the end of WWII, HD-DVD firesale, and skyrocketing PS3 sales. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to buy a $50 HD-DVD add-on off ebay and a gazillion movies
. Though, for the first time, I actually feel like I'm missing out on something by not having a PS3 
.Amazon has some sales too. I picked up a used one for $68 including shipping.
Post by: warmaster_670 on February 17, 2008, 09:04:00 AM
QUOTE(nitussi @ Feb 17 2008, 11:18 AM)
M$ messed this up! There could have been 10 million more HDVD players in the US if they would have incorporated the drive in the 360 in the first place. Now, not only is HDDVD gone, but Sony is sure to seriously surpass the 360 with the Ps3. Many, many bad decissions by Microsoft. Maybe they should get out the business.
ya maybe, except for the fact that it would have made the console $600 like the ps3, and then it wouldnt have sold nearly as well.
so much for that theory.
Sony doesn't have this big monopoly on hd now, get some facts straight and quite whining
Post by: gsharpshooter on February 17, 2008, 09:33:00 AM
oo yeah im wondering if toshiba will keep theyre mouth shut and say howd u find out these rummors and lower the prices even more looooooool anyways congrats bluray even though im not buying u and still providing a dead format
Post by: HackMy360 on February 17, 2008, 09:55:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on February 17, 2008, 10:01:00 AM
QUOTE(gsharpshooter @ Feb 17 2008, 05:09 PM)
hmmmmm hddvd lost they stop making it i wonder if i can hold on to this player and wait a couple of yrs then sell it online for alot of money since they stopped making them maybe this could lead to me making my own set of doe
oo yeah im wondering if toshiba will keep theyre mouth shut and say howd u find out these rummors and lower the prices even more looooooool anyways congrats bluray even though im not buying u and still providing a dead formatI would like to comment but to be honest I don't understand the post very well. Could you edit it to make it clearer.
QUOTE(HackMy360 @ Feb 17 2008, 05:31 PM)
I bought a ps3 because of this but took it back 1 day later after realizing that i dont want to support sony or blu ray im ok with my hd dvd and now i can get movies dirt cheap. Sucks but o well
I would wager that many people who now say they will never support Blu Ray will be first in the queue if MS brought out an add on to play Blu Ray or included it in it's next console. Never say never.
Post by: chipagain on February 17, 2008, 10:25:00 AM
Post by: bucko on February 17, 2008, 10:30:00 AM
Anyway time for some cheap movies I guess.
Post by: shenmuemaster on February 17, 2008, 10:47:00 AM
but still, cheap HDDVDs
It be interesting if MS produced a BluRay addon for the 360 that turned out to be cheaper to buy a 360 with BR addon than a PS3...probs wont happen, but interesting all the same
Post by: imdbowlgod on February 17, 2008, 11:13:00 AM
Post by: Zod5000 on February 17, 2008, 11:41:00 AM
I believe all copy protection can be defeated, so DRM wise I couldn't give two craps about either format from a copy protection point of view.
I had the hd-dvd addon and a ps3 (because when i bought the hd-dvd addon in october, it was very apparent that alot of movies weren't on hd-dvd at the time).
I think both formats were pretty good, they both look great on my tv. My collection is about 50/50 between hd-dvd's and blurays, but I haven't bought an hd-dvd since warners made the announcement. I'll be awfully tempted to grab some in blowout sales though.
I think standardization is good, when theres one format, they can push it, they don't have to split shelf space in two, or confuse the consumer.
Post by: k3n85 on February 17, 2008, 11:43:00 AM
http://www.amazon.co.....f_rd_i=hd dvd
Post by: BoNg420 on February 17, 2008, 12:50:00 PM
QUOTE(k3n85 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:19 PM)
Ill wait for 70-80% off and or buy 1 get 2 free
Im not suprised bluray won, I own an A35 and PS3, I own about 40+ blurays, and maybe 20ish HDDVDs. I like my selection in bluray better too. Better choice of movies to watch.
Post by: HotKnife420 on February 17, 2008, 01:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Skevus @ Feb 17 2008, 07:47 AM)
The worst thing with HD-DVD loosing is that HD-DVD was mutch better with the HD-DVD Extras and that HD-DVD was moore consumer friendly. I presume Warner brothers prefered to scrue the consumeres and then going Blu Ray is the way to go. And I believe Sony payed of the Warner Brothers executives, gave them a nice cabin for christmas or a private jet of their own so they don't have to share the one they already have with eachother. I wish HD-DVD had won and still I haven't invested in any of the HD systems. It just feels bad that the worst format have woon. It is not about witch format i s better but of witch format have deeper pockets. However when PS 3 went Blu Ray Sony had to win because it would be really funny owning a PS 3 if HD-DVD had woon. And now we know that throwing money on warner brothers was the right thing to do because sony wouldn't have woon without them. However I hope that Toshiba continue manufacturing the HD-DVD RE roms for PC and the prices on the HD-DVD DL media goes down to the prices of DVD+R DL then I Can use HD-DVD Externally with a TVIX 6500 and watch X264. Warner Brothers scrued the consumers, now it's time for the consumers to scrue the Warner Brothers.........
A few months ago, I probably would've said the same thing (or close to the main point, anyway). After lots and lots of reading, I'm actually convinced that Blu-ray has mad potential. HD-DVD may be better *now*, but I believe Blu-ray has more room for growth. Remember how all early DVDs had the most basic menus and almost no features? BDs seem to have some "basic" features, but the presentation will improve over time, as people compiling the BDs will get more familiar with the javascript.
Post by: sabbath_dude on February 17, 2008, 01:11:00 PM
(and that was after reading this news article). You can now pick up tons of used/new HD DVD titles from between £4-£10 since everyone has started jumping ship and dumping their movie collections as fast as they can . From a collector of consoles and rare add-ons point of view it'll be cool to have the 360 HD DVD drive and big collection of HD movies in years to come.If this is more than just a rumour I am a little surprised Toshiba didn't hold out and support the format for just a bit longer. I'm not sure If I'll personally ever need a standalone Blu-ray player (I don't really need an HD DVD player!) but when the prices drop to the same level standard DVDs are today I'll consider it. For now I'll continue to invest in extra storage for my PC. Digital downloads are where we're headed.
Post by: 88 Ecko Unltd 88 on February 17, 2008, 01:36:00 PM
Now I can go ahead buy the PS3 gladly without thinking about the dam format war 
I'll probably just wait for now and buy the PS3 when it prices drops here in a little bit 
Thank god this is done and over with
Post by: XBNormUK on February 17, 2008, 02:16:00 PM
And now we apparently have. Wahey for BluRay (mini disc or betamax anyone?), and sony have broke the bank and pretty much bought off the market to push through blu ray. But is it worth it for them, I mean, great for them to have a successful format, and its capabilities sound impressive, but how many of us will be buying media off a shelf in a few years time. Surely there cant be long left for disc orientated media players. Certainly a media less games console is not a million miles away, and right now we are all starting to embrace digital download as part of our media selection and purchasing routine. I know I certainly wont be rushing out to replace my move collection on Blu Ray.
Anyways, I know jack about this whole thing so just my personal ramblings, but as a Gamer I think MS got it right. MS based a console around gaming, Sony based and built a console around a format, giving MS a massive head start and a huge price advantage in the process. Result, I bought a 360, I wouldnt have bought if it was say, a hundred pound more expensive but included a HD DVD. The games catalogue is great, maybe due to the head start for developers, ease of development, but either way, as a games console I cant really fault my 360. (And no I have had no RROD yet! ;-)). Due to my happiness with it I have since upgraded to an elite for my HD needs.
Anyone can enlighten me on what effect this will have on the content available for the movie marketplace, if any?
Thanks for reading, god i even bore myself sometimes! ;-)
Post by: Mr Invader on February 17, 2008, 02:55:00 PM
That's all I wanted. Post by: JohnnyVegas on February 17, 2008, 02:59:00 PM
Sony owns the rights (the master plan of creating BR)and will continue to keep the cost high to keep manufatures prices over the console. They should let the BR thing be and focus on getting some damn games.
Sony has lost my business years ago but this just reafirms it for me. Sony sucks my monkey balls.
Hard.
Post by: Flagg3 on February 17, 2008, 03:02:00 PM
QUOTE(fataldog187 @ Feb 17 2008, 03:47 AM)
There have been no official announcements from Toshiba concerning this, only an 'unidentified source' saying "We have entered the final stage of planning to make our exit from the next generation DVD business" Source: (Reuters reporting on NHK story).
I think this still qualifies as a rumor until an official announcement is made by Toshiba or the HD DVD promotional group. I am also somewhat surprised at the way it is being reported on X-S without at least a "Rumor:" tag in front of the story or something like "Toshiba plans to pull the plug, says source" etc. :s
It's not considered a rumor because it has been confirmed with a reliable source at Toshiba.
Don't confuse anonymous sources with unnamed sources. When a news organization confirms something with a source that they consider trustworthy at a company, it is a confirmed source. Sometimes the source asks not to be named in the media, but the reporters know who it is, and wouldn't report it without fact checking that the source is someone in a position to be able to comment reliably on the subject.
Post by: Flagg3 on February 17, 2008, 03:26:00 PM
QUOTE(JohnnyVegas @ Feb 17 2008, 05:35 PM)
the reason the ps3 is priced below the standalones is for the simple reason of selling more ps3's. it is a calculated business move by sony.
Sony owns the rights (the master plan of creating BR)and will continue to keep the cost high to keep manufatures prices over the console. They should let the BR thing be and focus on getting some damn games.
Sony has lost my business years ago but this just reafirms it for me. Sony sucks my monkey balls.
Hard.
Sorry, your way off here.
First of all, Blu-Ray is a standard that was founded by 9 separate companies: Sony, Matsushita, Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, and Samsung. All of them are a part of the Blu-Ray Disc Association, and all of them have a vested interest in the formats success, as well as full voting rights on the direction of the format. (Several of the companies besides Sony own patents involved in the blu-ray disc format, and they all receive royalties from the format.)
The actual truth of the matter is that the format war was really initiated by Microsoft. The Blu-Ray camps and the HD-DVD camps were willing to merge the formats, but the main sticking point was whether to license Microsofts HDi format, or Sun's Java platform for interactivity. The companies voted in favor of Java, so Microsoft recruited and funded Toshiba so that they could singlehandedly develop the HD-DVD format. So your argument is a bit backwards. If HD-DVD had won, the format would have largely been controlled by Toshiba and Microsoft, whereas Blu-Ray is comtrolled by 9 of the largest electronics manufacturers in the world.
Sony gets all of the press for Blu-ray, but the fact is that it was pretty much Toshiba against the world, and if it weren't for Microsoft's attempts to salvage HDi, then Toshiba never would have had the capital to sell the hardware at such a large loss for so long to begin with.
Post by: sinister slipknot on February 17, 2008, 04:18:00 PM
Post by: ekruob on February 17, 2008, 04:34:00 PM
QUOTE(johnnyrico @ Feb 17 2008, 09:24 PM)
...but let's look at it from the bright side: blu-ray doesn't have all those encryptions HD-DVD has ...
WTF?!
Blu-ray Disc has FOUR (4) layers of DRM: AACS, Region Coding, Water Marking, and BD+!!!
HD DVD only has AACS.
Post by: jimk72 on February 17, 2008, 04:43:00 PM
Post by: Dano2k0 on February 17, 2008, 04:46:00 PM
Hopefully MS will produce a blu-ray add on, but i have my doubts if they'll do this in the current console generation.
And i also agree, i think in the up-coming months i think PS3 sales will go up and up, compaired to what we have recently seen, i think sony has pulled a fast one once again, same with the PS2 VS DC its pretty much back in those days once again..
I have to admit, i'm supprised at Toshiba, i thought they'd stand a good chance in the format war, and i did think they stood a somewhat decent chance, but i honestly think if the PS3 didn't already come with a blu-ray drive they'd be roughly at the same level as Toshiba, in which case the format war would still be on-going.
I'm glad in some respects the format war appears to be over, as i can now concentrate somewhat more on getting this format, and getting settled on one player rather than two.
Lucky for me i already do own a PS3, which deffinatly works in my benefit after reading this news, but as a huge xbox fan, it does seem sad to have lost what was 'our' format to the 'ps3' format.
Ah well, i guess i'll keep a good look out now for some good blu-ray movies and possibly a stand alone player sometime soon.
Cheers.
Post by: Lush on February 17, 2008, 05:18:00 PM
Post by: majik655 on February 17, 2008, 06:19:00 PM
QUOTE(Chancer @ Feb 17 2008, 05:03 AM)
That will not happen, because, Individual manufacturers will now have confidence to put money into manufacturing BR Players. Those same manufacturers (especially the Chinese ones) will want the biggest share of the market which will normally be achieved through price. natural manufacturer competition between all the companies will dictate price and prices will come down.
If only Sony was allowed to manufacture the only HD format available, then the scenario is a monopoly and they dictate the market price. This is nothing like.
What you have stated is like saying if we wanted optical playback (DVD) previously then the price would always be high because there was no other optical format to compete. The prices still dropped to ridiculous levels because each manufacturer want the biggest share of that.
Thats exactly what I was thinking Chancer...thanks for clarifying, now that manufacturers know which will win overall they will start to want that piece of the market making everything finally go down in price, now I guess some of us (alot of us) wait and see when that will happen.
Post by: Ddude723 on February 17, 2008, 06:57:00 PM
Post by: MickRaider on February 17, 2008, 09:53:00 PM
Not a huge surprise really.
Post by: syntaxerror329 on February 18, 2008, 04:23:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on February 18, 2008, 08:09:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on February 18, 2008, 09:04:00 AM
QUOTE(m3kal @ Feb 18 2008, 04:21 PM)
thats what i thought, standalone units id be taking a risk with, the ps3 there are good deals out now, shame the games cant be as good as the 360 or is me!!!
Try out Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank. There are some good games those 2 spring to mind immediately. Others will arrive. Everything in one box.
Post by: johnnyrico on February 18, 2008, 11:10:00 AM
QUOTE(ekruob @ Feb 18 2008, 01:10 AM)
WTF?!
Blu-ray Disc has FOUR (4) layers of DRM: AACS, Region Coding, Water Marking, and BD+!!!
HD DVD only has AACS.
region coding isn't a real DRM encryption scheme, it's just a an ages-old trick so that non-region-free players can't play imported discs, thus keeping people from buying movies that aren't released (yet or ever will be) in their country, also this prevents people from taking advantage of world currency differences such as the difference between $ and €
and BD+ is just a virtual machine embedded in authorized players, no real encoding, no encrypted key, so scratch those 2 from the list already
no need to get all ballistic on people mate.
Post by: djtonic on February 18, 2008, 01:14:00 PM
QUOTE(xtriker @ Feb 17 2008, 06:16 AM)
From Xbox live
Ahh...still don't look as nice as the actual media though.
Post by: jesterrace777 on February 18, 2008, 02:12:00 PM
Post by: mduga on February 18, 2008, 03:37:00 PM
Post by: ludacrisvp on February 18, 2008, 09:01:00 PM
QUOTE(Flagg3 @ Feb 17 2008, 05:02 PM)
Sorry, your way off here.
First of all, Blu-Ray is a standard that was founded by 9 separate companies: Sony, Matsushita, Pioneer, Phillip's, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, and Samsung. All of them are a part of the Blu-Ray Disc Association, and all of them have a vested interest in the formats success, as well as full voting rights on the direction of the format. (Several of the companies besides Sony own patents involved in the blu-ray disc format, and they all receive royalties from the format.)
Yay! Someone with a brain!
Thanks Flagg3 for explaining this so I didn't have to again for the 1 millionth time.
Well I am happy it is over.
To all the "I will never have Blu-Ray because it is Sony" people you need to settle down and
get off the FANBOY wagon and realize Blu-Ray is the winner in the market now for HD optical disks.
And as stated above Blu-Ray is NOT OWNED BY SONY! It was founded by 9 major separate companies.