Post by: impimpin206 on July 04, 2007, 03:21:00 PM
You can download a sample video here. Just stick it in your shared video folder and play it over network on your console.
Tools needed
- My custom TMPGEnc Xpress profile (available here)
- TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0 (available here)
- MKVtoolnix (available here)
- MKVExtractGUI (available here )
- Avisynth (available here)
Once you have all of that software installed and functioning, here's what you need to do.
1. Extract the contents of the attached file. This tutorial assumes you have extracted the file to the root of your E: drive, so you'll be working from e:\wmv_working\ If this is not the case, you'll need to open the movie.avs file in Notepad and change the directory. Copy your source MKV file to your \wmv_working\ directory and rename it to movie.mkv
2. Run MKVExtractGUI and open your movie.mkv file. Check the box for the AC3 audio stream and click the 'Extract' button. Once complete, exit MKVExtractGUI.
3. Run TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0 and start a new project.
4a. Load your AVS script (movie.avs) into the source file.
4b. Load your AC3 audio file into the 'Audio' section. (click browse, locate file)
4c. Change the 'Clip Name' to the title of your movie. This is what shows in the Xbox 360 browser.
5. Look at the clip details before proceeding to Format. Remember your source file's resolution.
6. Proceed to 'Format' and click 'Browse' to load the attached template Xbox 360 720 VBR.txp4e
7. Correct the resolution to what was displayed on the source file information. If you are using a 1080p source, you should be able to convert to 1080p WMV-HD without any other changes. For 720p sources, you should only need to correct the vertical resolution. Failing to do so will result in a clipped frame or black bars at the top & bottom to keep the aspect ratio. Setting the same resolution will have your Xbox 360 scale the file correctly.
8. Push the 'Calculator' button. Set your output size to 100% of media and push OK.
9. Save your project in case adjustments are necessary.
Optional Step: Create test sample (see below for steps)
10. Everything else is set for you. Encode!
Optional Step: Create a test sample
Note: this assumes you are between steps 8 and 10.
1. Select the bitrate from the box and copy it into your clipboard. (In this example, it's 5053)
2. Click 'Source' to go back a step in the wizard.
3. Click 'Cut-edit' on the right.
4. Select a new start frame and end frame and click OK. Since this is VBR, I usually make a 5 minute clip of both low and high motion scenes to give an accurate output quality sample.
5. Click Encode and start it.
6. Put the output file into your shared videos and play it over network in your Xbox 360. If the video looks good, then re-open your saved project file and encode it. If you didn't save it, you will need to repeat these steps to set your original start/end frames to the movie's start/end, then encode.
Hopefully this helps you some.
Cheers,
impimpin
Post by: morphguy112 on July 04, 2007, 11:40:00 PM
Post by: MaxP on July 05, 2007, 04:40:00 AM
this question gets asked hell of a lot.
Post by: blame canada on July 05, 2007, 07:57:00 AM
Post by: impimpin206 on July 05, 2007, 08:36:00 AM
QUOTE(blame canada @ Jul 5 2007, 03:33 PM) 
You got it all wrong man, all you need is VLC and a tad bit of command line knowledge (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
... and a helluva lot of a patience (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)
Post by: blame canada on July 05, 2007, 08:38:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Jul 5 2007, 09:36 AM)
lol....wait, why? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Post by: impimpin206 on July 05, 2007, 08:22:00 AM
Post by: blame canada on July 05, 2007, 08:40:00 AM
Oh and VLC does only play, ffmpeg is the one that converts
Post by: MaxP on July 05, 2007, 09:49:00 AM
QUOTE(blame canada @ Jul 5 2007, 03:33 PM)
You got it all wrong man, all you need is VLC and a tad bit of command line knowledge (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
if you *think* you know a better/faster/easier method to do the same conversion then why not stick it in a tut for all the share ? instead of just trying to piss on this mans work.
Shame on you...
Shame indeed.
Post by: impimpin206 on July 05, 2007, 09:14:00 AM
Anyway, this method should be easy to follow for users who prefer an easy GUI to work with. And this is the way that I know works.
Let's try to keep the rest of this thread clean for users who may have questions or need assistance.
cheers
This post has been edited by impimpin206: Jul 5 2007, 04:17 PM
Post by: blame canada on July 05, 2007, 12:15:00 PM
QUOTE(MaxP @ Jul 5 2007, 10:49 AM)
if you *think* you know a better/faster/easier method to do the same conversion then why not stick it in a tut for all the share ? instead of just trying to piss on this mans work.
Shame on you...
Shame indeed.
Chill the fuck out dude, I was just trying to say that there is other, easier ways to convert it not piss all over this dudes work (which I should've given props to in the first place). I am actually working on a set of .bat files currently, one for converting to HD WMV for the 360 so STFU (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Jul 5 2007, 10:50 AM)
Oh you mean using VLC to serve the stream. I thought you meant using the 'file output' feature and thought you were nuts. I've converted files to WMV that way before, but nothing HD. Man I thought you were nuts.
Anyway, this method should be easy to follow for users who prefer an easy GUI to work with. And this is the way that I know works.
Let's try to keep the rest of this thread clean for users who may have questions or need assistance.
cheers
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
I'll make a new thread when I get everything worked out and will try to not jack this thread up anymore than it already is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Trying to keep it as clean as I can bro (kind of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )
Post by: faithlesssoul on July 06, 2007, 12:14:00 AM
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=610799
Post by: Jakeway on July 09, 2007, 10:33:00 AM
Ive been using your guide to great effect, everything is almost perfect... but Ive found the frame rate on the encoded video is very jittery. Its has the same frame rate as the original file (23. 976).
Any help?
Post by: impimpin206 on July 09, 2007, 11:14:00 AM
Clip details
Encode settings
Or if you want to send me a sample clip I will play with it.
Is your source file progressive? If you're not using a progressive source, encoding to progressive could be the problem. If I get both screenshots, or a clip sample, I'm sure we can figure it out
Post by: Jakeway on July 09, 2007, 11:48:00 AM
I am using your settings, and cant think of anything else to change. I read that the jitter is due to the way the FPS is re-encoded.
This post has been edited by Jakeway: Jul 9 2007, 06:49 PM
Post by: pig5 on July 09, 2007, 12:25:00 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on July 09, 2007, 01:00:00 PM
Post by: Jakeway on July 09, 2007, 02:41:00 PM
QUOTE(pig5 @ Jul 9 2007, 07:01 PM)
WME assistant will encode MKV to WMV-HD If your MKV files can be played by windows media player.
Do you have a good control over the output file size? I have a good few 9GB, 90min films that really could look just as nice at 4.5GB.
This post has been edited by Jakeway: Jul 9 2007, 09:52 PM
Post by: GooDay4U on July 10, 2007, 11:17:00 AM
Post by: pig5 on July 10, 2007, 12:06:00 PM
QUOTE(Jakeway @ Jul 9 2007, 09:41 PM) 
Do you have a good control over the output file size? I have a good few 9GB, 90min films that really could look just as nice at 4.5GB.
Try to use CBR1pass 6000kbps for video, CBR1pass 768kbps for 5.1
Post by: impimpin206 on July 10, 2007, 12:56:00 PM
QUOTE(GooDay4U @ Jul 10 2007, 06:53 PM)
Great! Thanks, this is exactly the thing I was looking for. But one problem: your link to the MKVtoolnix doesn't work...
Sorry, the filename got messed up when I put it on my server. The original download link is to an .exe so the X-S forum filtered it, which is why I RAR'd and uploaded it in the first place. Anyway, its working now.
QUOTE(pig5 @ Jul 10 2007, 07:42 PM)
Try to use CBR1pass 6000kbps for video, CBR1pass 768kbps for 5.1
First of all, CBR sucks. You can use this tutorial with CBR and get decent encodes for most movies... but the upside of using VBR cannot be disputed.
Secondly, go take your instructions for your methods to another thread. This thread is for me to answer questions about my method. I can't even stand how cluttered many threads get; you doing it to my thread really chaps my ass.
Post by: antz1970 on July 10, 2007, 04:47:00 PM
, any chance of maybe a .pdf version or word document or something , just so people dont need to keep the page open when going through the steps?
Post by: pig5 on July 11, 2007, 10:31:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Jul 10 2007, 08:32 PM)
First of all, CBR sucks. You can use this tutorial with CBR and get decent encodes for most movies... but the upside of using VBR cannot be disputed.
Secondly, go take your instructions for your methods to another thread. This thread is for me to answer questions about my method. I can't even stand how cluttered many threads get; you doing it to my thread really chaps my ass.
Well, Every coin has tow sides, CBR is the best way to control your output file size.
Sorry, this is my last post in your brilliant thread. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
This post has been edited by pig5: Jul 11 2007, 05:32 PM
Post by: GooDay4U on July 11, 2007, 11:26:00 AM
Post by: impimpin206 on July 11, 2007, 12:16:00 PM
Cheers
Post by: joker927 on July 11, 2007, 05:00:00 PM
I have been using so many programs trying to convert mkv to WMV and finally a great guide comes along. I never knew TMPGEng had grone so much since it's old command line days.
2 questions:
1)About how long does it take other people to encode a ~90 movie? I have a 2.0ghz Dual Core and it looks likes its going to take about 8 hours, but it did just start.
2)Why do you suggest demuxing the audio into its ac3 stream and then tell TMPGEnc to use the seperate file?
Thanks again
Post by: impimpin206 on July 12, 2007, 03:06:00 AM
QUOTE(joker927 @ Jul 12 2007, 12:36 AM)
THANK YOU!!!!
I have been using so many programs trying to convert mkv to WMV and finally a great guide comes along. I never knew TMPGEng had grone so much since it's old command line days.
2 questions:
1)About how long does it take other people to encode a ~90 movie? I have a 2.0ghz Dual Core and it looks likes its going to take about 8 hours, but it did just start.
2)Why do you suggest demuxing the audio into its ac3 stream and then tell TMPGEnc to use the seperate file?
Thanks again
1. You should see the time dwindle down pretty fast, then level off. Hopefully others will input some encode times.
2. If you just load the MKV or AVS file directly for audio, it will read the source audio as 2 channel. You can see this on the clip details when importing the default audio. By demuxing it to an AC3 stream and loading it separately, the original 5.1 audio track gets encoded as 5.1 still.
Post by: impimpin206 on July 13, 2007, 09:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Jakeway @ Jul 9 2007, 07:24 PM)
I will upload the sample I am working with and PM you a link, give me an hour. If that is ok with you?
I am using your settings, and cant think of anything else to change. I read that the jitter is due to the way the FPS is re-encoded.
The original source file is pretty jittery. I'll continue to play with it, but it seems this wasn't a very good original encode. Even the way my method depicts isn't optimal- we're re-encoding something that's already compressed. The ideal situation is to encode from HD-DVD / Blu-Ray source files directly... which is another tutorial I'm working on
Anyway I'll play with it some more like I said... but when I watch your sample I see a bit of jerkiness when Christian Bail is moving
Post by: Bone2 on July 14, 2007, 03:43:00 AM
Post by: Jakeway on July 14, 2007, 04:57:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Jul 14 2007, 04:50 AM)
The original source file is pretty jittery. I'll continue to play with it, but it seems this wasn't a very good original encode. Even the way my method depicts isn't optimal- we're re-encoding something that's already compressed. The ideal situation is to encode from HD-DVD / Blu-Ray source files directly... which is another tutorial I'm working on
Anyway I'll play with it some more like I said... but when I watch your sample I see a bit of jerkiness when Christian Bail is movingWell, thank you for trying. I have some other videos that need a re-encode due to small things that really bother me. So Ill try some other clips, but theyre always 23.976.
Post by: wallace4793 on July 14, 2007, 06:36:00 AM
Post by: impimpin206 on July 14, 2007, 07:33:00 AM
QUOTE(Bone2 @ Jul 14 2007, 11:19 AM)
Huuuuuuuuge thanks mate. Have converted about 5 of my hd movies so far without a hitch
That's the kind of feedback I enjoy reading
Cheers!
Post by: impimpin206 on July 14, 2007, 07:51:00 AM
QUOTE(wallace4793 @ Jul 14 2007, 02:12 PM)
Encode 360 seems to do a decent job, easy to use and configure. Ive converted a few samples without a hitch :-) .. and itsfree to a good home!
First, you're posting in the wrong thread. Second, new beta seems equally problematic to me. I encoded a tiny clip and that went okay, but trying to encode various MKV movies crashed the encoder under Vista. Never had such crashes with the professionally developed software that I use. If you have questions / comments / anything to say about Encode360, do it somewhere other than this thread.
Post by: vuhuyle on July 14, 2007, 11:07:00 AM
Windows XP sp2
AMD X2 3800+
2 gb ram
Post by: ludeboy12 on July 14, 2007, 02:57:00 PM
QUOTE(vuhuyle @ Jul 14 2007, 06:43 PM)
Can anyone else post your encode times? I'm looking at 24 hours left on mine...
Windows XP sp2
AMD X2 3800+
2 gb ram
Seems a lil long. I'm doing my first encode right now but with my AMD 64 X2 3600 and 2gb of ram it said 7hrs when i first started it. Though its analyzing now so im not sure it that means 7hrs to analyze and 7+ to encode.
Did a sample to test it but i was in the other room while it was encoding so i missed the whole analyze bit.
on a side note. Is there any way to actually store these onto the 360s HD??
Post by: impimpin206 on July 14, 2007, 03:40:00 PM
QUOTE(ludeboy12 @ Jul 14 2007, 10:33 PM)
Seems a lil long. I'm doing my first encode right now but with my AMD 64 X2 3600 and 2gb of ram it said 7hrs when i first started it. Though its analyzing now so im not sure it that means 7hrs to analyze and 7+ to encode.
Did a sample to test it but i was in the other room while it was encoding so i missed the whole analyze bit.
on a side note. Is there any way to actually store these onto the 360s HD??
The time listed is the start-to-finish total. To my knowledge, there is not a way to put them on the xbox HDD yet... maybe with one of the PC HD browsers, but I haven't bothered hooking my drive up to the PC to explore it at all. This may be possible? At work right now, but will look into this tonight/tomorrow.
Post by: pitz on July 15, 2007, 01:25:00 AM
Followed everything to the word. Install it all. Bang, go to add the movie.avs and it just hangs and TMPGEnc fails to respond ever again..
Post by: pitz on July 15, 2007, 04:18:00 AM
QUOTE(pitz @ Jul 15 2007, 07:01 PM)
Noooo.
Followed everything to the word. Install it all. Bang, go to add the movie.avs and it just hangs and TMPGEnc fails to respond ever again..
Happy to say a reboot got it working. Danged if I can see a edit button.
Post by: gambit0608 on July 15, 2007, 01:06:00 PM
One quick question: When i run TMPEG Xpress and load in the .txp4e file i am not given the option to choose the WMV 9 advanced profile, it just says Windows Media Video 9 (under video). Does this even matter? Is it the same thing?
Thanks Again for this awesome write up.
This post has been edited by gambit0608: Jul 15 2007, 08:07 PM
Post by: ludeboy12 on July 15, 2007, 01:13:00 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on July 15, 2007, 03:27:00 PM
QUOTE(ludeboy12 @ Jul 15 2007, 08:49 PM)
wow that sux i wasn't watching the preview and i didn't realize till it finished that i forgot to crop the black bars....looks like i'll be encoding this again.
The video could need cropping with the cut-edit under clip details. However if you didn't change the resolution to match your source file, that would create black bars too. If you did correct the resolution to match your source, then you would need to crop edit them out
QUOTE(gambit0608 @ Jul 15 2007, 08:06 PM)
A HUGE THANKS to impimpin!!!!. you can't believe how many other apps i tried that did not work. This works flawlessly and the programs in your tutorial take advantage of my quad core cpu. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
One quick question: When i run TMPEG Xpress and load in the .txp4e file i am not given the option to choose the WMV 9 advanced profile, it just says Windows Media Video 9 (under video). Does this even matter? Is it the same thing?
Thanks Again for this awesome write up.
Yeah, this encodes an advanced profile. Under the step 7 screenshot, look at the blue edit box labeled 'video' and it displays it there. Glad to hear its working well and taking advantage of Quad.
Cheers
Post by: ludeboy12 on July 15, 2007, 03:27:00 PM
Post by: joker927 on July 15, 2007, 06:16:00 PM
I have converted 6 files and the average time seems to be about 11 hours.
Post by: impimpin206 on July 16, 2007, 07:26:00 AM
QUOTE(joker927 @ Jul 16 2007, 01:52 AM)
Using the exact methods in this guide, converting a 98 min 720p source file with 5.1 audio took 12 hours with a E6300 1.86Ghz Core2Duo and 2GB RAM.
I have converted 6 files and the average time seems to be about 11 hours.
You can overclock that to 2.4 ghz with the stock Intel fan easy
Post by: MagicUK on July 19, 2007, 01:13:00 AM
thanks for the guide, thanks for pics and taking the time!
Post by: impimpin206 on July 19, 2007, 07:09:00 AM
QUOTE(MagicUK @ Jul 19 2007, 08:49 AM)
Right im doing my first 3 hour long convert, 8 hours on the time scale, i couldnt get encode 360 working either so this seems the better option! also a quick query while converting (doing it now as i type) 8 little haali media splitter icons have come up where my msn logo it and network connection are! u know? anyway will this cause any probs? all i have is kazaa media codecs installed! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) thanks for the guide, thanks for pics and taking the time!
All is normal (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Post by: zerolimit21 on July 19, 2007, 10:09:00 AM
Post by: impimpin206 on July 19, 2007, 11:06:00 AM
QUOTE(zerolimit21 @ Jul 19 2007, 05:45 PM)
Is there anyway to fix stutering problems?
Yeah it really depends on your source file. Send me an original source sample, and I can do some test encoding and report back.
Cheers.
Post by: HydrogenCyanide on July 19, 2007, 07:42:00 PM
Have you made any progress on the HD DVD front. I would really love to convert the 10 or so HD DVD's that I have hear chewing up my hard drive space so that I can view them on the 360.
Post by: HydrogenCyanide on July 19, 2007, 08:15:00 PM
Since I have to go to bed I just loaded the original MKV file as the video source and the audio file that had been remove from it. What is the impact of doing this? It does seem to be working but I will not know how the results were for another 12 hours
Post by: HydrogenCyanide on July 20, 2007, 07:49:00 AM
QUOTE(HydrogenCyanide @ Jul 19 2007, 10:51 PM)
Ok......Encoding my first movie via this method. I did run into a problem though. When trying to load the movie.avs file into TMPG, the program crashed everytime. Tried everything and still a no go.
Since I have to go to bed I just loaded the original MKV file as the video source and the audio file that had been remove from it. What is the impact of doing this? It does seem to be working but I will not know how the results were for another 12 hours (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
The results were great. Awesome quality and it retained the 5.1 sound. I guess you don't really need the AVS file.
Post by: arazi145 on July 20, 2007, 08:02:00 AM
Seeing that the spring update supports playback of h264 - and the video in the mkv files is h264. Is it possible to use TMPGEnc so that the net effect is that just the container type is changed from mkv to a container type that the xbox 360 can use to play h264? (If this would be possible - perhaps TMPGEnc could finish its task in a fraction of the time it would otherwise take)
Apologies in advance if I've completely gotten hold of the wrong end of the stick here.
Thanks
This post has been edited by arazi145: Jul 20 2007, 03:03 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on July 20, 2007, 09:41:00 AM
Post by: gaming fanboy on July 20, 2007, 10:09:00 AM
Post by: HydrogenCyanide on July 20, 2007, 12:57:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Jul 20 2007, 12:17 PM)
It doesn't play H264 Advanced Profile. There may be a way to transcode these on the fly, but I haven't seen a way. Besides, I prefer to archive them and free up my CPU cycles.
Any news on converting HD DVD .evo files via this method. This would really be icing on the cake if this could be done
Post by: noremacyug on July 21, 2007, 05:35:00 AM
also great tut, i was just wondering about doing this since the 360 isn't your typical stand alone player. googled it and found the tut.
Post by: impimpin206 on July 21, 2007, 08:30:00 AM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Jul 21 2007, 01:11 PM)
perhaps this was already mentioned. but all i've read/seen in the thread is that to play the movie back after re-encoding that you do so through streaming it. can you simply burn the file to a dvd and play in the drive? i'm hoping to maybe free up some hdd space here,
also great tut, i was just wondering about doing this since the 360 isn't your typical stand alone player. googled it and found the tut.
You can burn it to single/dual layer media, depending on which respective output size you've selected.
QUOTE(HydrogenCyanide @ Jul 20 2007, 07:57 PM)
Any news on converting HD DVD .evo files via this method. This would really be icing on the cake if this could be done
I'll work on this in the coming days when I find some time, hopefully I'll have that done soon.
Post by: gambit0608 on July 21, 2007, 09:19:00 AM
Cheers
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Impimin- i can't seem to find the advanced profile option. On the step 7 screenshot it looks like the WMV Advanced Profile is in the video codec drop down menu, however in my copy of the program only WMV7 WMV 8 WMV 9 options are listed, no advanced profile. Any ideas?
(IMG:http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/219/encodehg8.jpg)
Shot at 2007-07-21
Post by: impimpin206 on July 21, 2007, 10:22:00 AM
QUOTE(gambit0608 @ Jul 21 2007, 04:19 PM)
Impimin- i can't seem to find the advanced profile option. On the step 7 screenshot it looks like the WMV Advanced Profile is in the video codec drop down menu, however in my copy of the program only WMV7 WMV 8 WMV 9 options are listed, no advanced profile. Any ideas?
Update your version of Xpress. Here's what I see:
(IMG:http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9055/tmpgenc1dx5.jpg)
Post by: zerolimit21 on July 21, 2007, 11:34:00 AM
WaRNING! mkvextract.exe and/or mkvmerge.exe not found
Post by: impimpin206 on July 21, 2007, 12:28:00 PM
QUOTE(zerolimit21 @ Jul 21 2007, 07:10 PM)
help! everything i start MKVExtractGUI 1.6.4 i get a messege ..
WaRNING! mkvextract.exe and/or mkvmerge.exe not found
That's cause MKVExtractGUI is a GUI for the mkvextract.exe program. Sounds like its just not installed correctly. Uninstall, and re-install both.
Post by: zerolimit21 on July 21, 2007, 01:34:00 PM
Post by: zerolimit21 on July 21, 2007, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on July 21, 2007, 05:57:00 PM
DirectShowSource ("e:\path_to\file_name.mkv")
QUOTE(zerolimit21 @ Jul 21 2007, 09:10 PM)
no setup exe jsut 4 files. Could you give me a setup.exe? or were can i get a fully working copy. The one on ur links doesn't work
Just install both programs to the same directory and run the GUI.
Post by: zerolimit21 on July 22, 2007, 02:49:00 AM
Post by: impimpin206 on July 22, 2007, 08:36:00 AM
QUOTE(zerolimit21 @ Jul 22 2007, 10:25 AM)
I still dont understand sorry! I am looking for thefile but dont know how to get movie.avs. Sorry could you please let me know in lame terms lol
It's in the file that has the TMPGEnc saved profile.
Post by: zerolimit21 on July 22, 2007, 10:26:00 AM
http://picasaweb.google.com/miguelmeza/Jun...057068922338914
It says...
DirectShowSource: could not open as vide or audio.
Videoe Returned: 'direcctshowsource: couldn't open file. D:\encode\movie.mkv:
Cannot playback the file. The Format is not supported
Post by: impimpin206 on July 22, 2007, 10:32:00 AM
QUOTE(zerolimit21 @ Jul 22 2007, 05:26 PM)
now I keep getting this error =(
http://picasaweb.google.com/miguelmeza/Jun...057068922338914
It says...
DirectShowSource: could not open as vide or audio.
Videoe Returned: 'direcctshowsource: couldn't open file. D:\encode\movie.mkv:
Cannot playback the file. The Format is not supported
It sounds like either A) Your AVS file does not have the correct path in the correct syntax or (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Your Avisynth or codecs are not setup properly. The problems you're having kind of go beyond the scope of what I can help with. I recommend you uninstall every video codec / utility you have and re-install clean.
Post by: Sennin on July 22, 2007, 02:10:00 PM
Post by: snakefx on July 22, 2007, 06:09:00 PM
Post by: snakefx on July 22, 2007, 06:46:00 PM
Post by: snakefx on July 22, 2007, 09:21:00 PM
"DirectShowSource: Can't determine the frame rate of the video, you must use the "fps" parameter (D:\wmv_working\movie.avs. line 1)"
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4334/untitleddo6.jpg
Post by: zerolimit21 on July 22, 2007, 10:11:00 PM
Post by: zerolimit21 on July 23, 2007, 10:03:00 AM
Post by: Sennin on July 23, 2007, 10:54:00 PM
^Try that and see if it fixes your fps error, remember to change the 23.976 to whatever your srouce is though. 99% of the time you wont have to though.
Post by: noremacyug on July 24, 2007, 12:33:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Jul 21 2007, 08:30 AM)
You can burn it to single/dual layer media, depending on which respective output size you've selected.
well i would want to retain the high def qualities as good as is possible. most of the .mkv files i have are ~4.5gb with the exception of a couple that are ~8.5gb.
Post by: mnale on July 24, 2007, 04:44:00 PM
Video Returned: 'direcctshowsource: couldn't open file.
Cannot playback the file. The Format is not supported
I am having the same problem. Although I can play my x264 .mkv file perfectly in Media Player 11, I can't get TMPGenc Express nor an avs reader like VirtualDub to recognize the x264 file type.
You apparently have installed additional codecs the are not outlined and may be necessary. What do I need to install? I tried ffdshow and that had no effect.
This post has been edited by mnale: Jul 24 2007, 11:49 PM
Post by: noremacyug on July 24, 2007, 08:33:00 PM
also, i have a few audio tracks that are dts tracks and they don't want to load up. how would i go about getting them to work.
thanks
This post has been edited by noremacyug: Jul 25 2007, 03:46 AM
Post by: impimpin206 on July 24, 2007, 11:05:00 PM
QUOTE(mnale @ Jul 24 2007, 11:44 PM)
DirectShowSource: could not open as video or audio.
Video Returned: 'direcctshowsource: couldn't open file.
Cannot playback the file. The Format is not supported
I am having the same problem. Although I can play my x264 .mkv file perfectly in Media Player 11, I can't get TMPGenc Express nor an avs reader like VirtualDub to recognize the x264 file type.
You apparently have installed additional codecs the are not outlined and may be necessary. What do I need to install? I tried ffdshow and that had no effect.
This tutorial assumes you've got codecs installed correctly. I use Haali Media Splitter and ffdshow on Windows Vista. I recommend you uninstall of your codecs and use a codec pack. Other than that advice, this goes beyond the scope of this tutorial. I didn't have to do anything special to make this tutorial possible.
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Jul 25 2007, 03:33 AM)
what is the purpose of avisynth? i can open up the .mkv files no problem, could i not get the video from the .mkv by simply doing that? i'm not trying to question your methods, but rather to learn a little. i know nothing about this and am just curious.
also, i have a few audio tracks that are dts tracks and they don't want to load up. how would i go about getting them to work.
thanks
When I loaded my MKV files directly the output was choppy, so I tried Avisynth as a frame buffer and started to see success. You may be able to load the files directly into the encoder, but I just stick to Avisynth. It's possible that it was other settings, though.
Post by: jubei5537 on July 25, 2007, 07:38:00 AM
or am I wrong?
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=614135
has anyone tried Encode360 is it any good?
Post by: noremacyug on July 25, 2007, 07:41:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Jul 24 2007, 11:05 PM)
TWhen I loaded my MKV files directly the output was choppy, so I tried Avisynth as a frame buffer and started to see success. You may be able to load the files directly into the encoder, but I just stick to Avisynth. It's possible that it was other settings, though.
makes sense. i attempted doing a small test section going directly from the .mkv file and i got the same non fluid results you mentioned. next question is what about the .dts soundtracks? they don't seem to be compatible with TMPG. can avisynth also be used to "extract" the audio or am i going to have to go about this a different way?
thanks again.
Post by: impimpin206 on July 25, 2007, 09:33:00 AM
QUOTE(jubei5537 @ Jul 25 2007, 02:38 PM)
Compared to this procedure the following link seems a lot easier to me if it works.
or am I wrong?
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=614135
has anyone tried Encode360 is it any good?
I've encoded the exact same source files with both methods, and found my guide to give a much sharper, clearer picture. Then, I couldn't even encode some other files without Encode360 crashing... so I couldn't even test those. Beyond that, my guide uses a multi-threaded encoder that will take advantage of dual/quad core processors. So is it easier? Yeah, a little bit. But that comes at a cost. The choice is yours, but this thread is for this method.
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Jul 25 2007, 02:41 PM)
makes sense. i attempted doing a small test section going directly from the .mkv file and i got the same non fluid results you mentioned. next question is what about the .dts soundtracks? they don't seem to be compatible with TMPG. can avisynth also be used to "extract" the audio or am i going to have to go about this a different way?
thanks again.
I'm not really familiar with using DTS tracks, but I'll look into that and report back. May have to do some sort of conversion.
Post by: HydrogenCyanide on July 25, 2007, 03:04:00 PM
My issue is with the AVS file. Everytime I try to load it into TMPG Xpress I get a windows error saying TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress has stopped working.
I have tried many time. Uninstalled AVS, TMPG and codecs several times with the same result. Not sure what is going on but I cannot get this AVS file to load.
Any help would be appreciated. I have been at this for days now
Edit. I just tried opening the AVS file in Media player and it crashed in the exact same manner. Any advise??
This post has been edited by HydrogenCyanide: Jul 25 2007, 10:06 PM
Post by: St4vr0s on July 25, 2007, 04:53:00 PM
Been looking for something to edit mkv's so I can stream from the MCE to my Xbox360.
Managed to get the guide working apart form a couple of things.
As mentioned earlier I am also unable to load the .AVS file into TMPGENC even after editing the location where it looks for the movie. ( I was under the impression that its not possible to frameserve to the TMPGENC Express 4?? )
I had to load the .MKV as source file and AC3 as audio. However doing this game me jittery video as if its missing frames and very odd....when I fast forward the output file in MCE or Windows Media Player It looses the Audio
but its fine in Nero Show Time 
Any ideas?
Post by: HydrogenCyanide on July 25, 2007, 06:12:00 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on July 25, 2007, 08:19:00 PM
QUOTE(HydrogenCyanide @ Jul 26 2007, 01:48 AM)
I now have the AVS file playing in media player classic without a problem. However every time I attempt to get the file loaded in TMPG it crashes. All other file types load fun. Am I missing something?
If it plays in MPC, it really should load in TMPGEnc. Open the AVS in VirtualDubMod (available at this link) and if there's something wrong, it should spit out an error message to help pinpoint the error.
QUOTE(St4vr0s @ Jul 26 2007, 12:29 AM)
Great guide!
Been looking for something to edit mkv's so I can stream from the MCE to my Xbox360.
Managed to get the guide working apart form a couple of things.
As mentioned earlier I am also unable to load the .AVS file into TMPGENC even after editing the location where it looks for the movie. ( I was under the impression that its not possible to frameserve to the TMPGENC Express 4?? )
I had to load the .MKV as source file and AC3 as audio. However doing this game me jittery video as if its missing frames and very odd....when I fast forward the output file in MCE or Windows Media Player It looses the Audio (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) but its fine in Nero Show Time (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
Any ideas?
Are you using ffdshow or CoreAVC ?
Post by: passanger57 on July 25, 2007, 11:23:00 PM
mybe athoer software ( i on newzbin the the release wmv-hd with nl sub how do they do that ??? )
Post by: St4vr0s on July 26, 2007, 02:40:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Jul 26 2007, 03:19 AM)
Are you using ffdshow or CoreAVC ?
tbh think both are installed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) however since last night I have made progress.....I uninstalled avisynth and re-installed. I can now load avs files in tmpgenc. As it runs it loads haai splitter. This unfortunately still doesn't run properly. I have tested it twice with reboots in between. the problem is that tmpgenc crashes everytime at 49% could this be where it starts the second pass? any other suggestions? thanks for the support!
Post by: tjaccola on July 26, 2007, 07:49:00 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on July 26, 2007, 10:26:00 PM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Jul 25 2007, 02:41 PM)
makes sense. i attempted doing a small test section going directly from the .mkv file and i got the same non fluid results you mentioned. next question is what about the .dts soundtracks? they don't seem to be compatible with TMPG. can avisynth also be used to "extract" the audio or am i going to have to go about this a different way?
thanks again.
Okay, for DTS sources you just load the AVS script. That's it. You don't even need to extract & load the audio separately. In fact, TMPGEnc won't even recognize a .DTS file- but when you load an AVS script and your source file is DTS, the 5.1 audio is retained just by using the AVS as the default audio source. You can actually skip the audio extract & load step for most sources, even AC3... but there a few out there that will read as 2 channel when they're really 5.1 tracks. This is when it's necessary to load the file separately to retain the 5.1, but I've noticed many source files will load the 5.1 natively through the AVS file. Anyway, I loaded up my source with DTS and left the audio alone, came out 5.1 with no required steps.
QUOTE(tjaccola @ Jul 27 2007, 03:25 AM)
this method worked wonderfully, even on my slow-ass p4 2.4 with only 512 mb ram, except for one hitch: the audio is off. it starts out just slightly out of sync, and by the end of the wmv file is very noticeably out of sync. any suggestions?
You didn't happen to perform some ring of death fix maneuver did you? There was another thread where a user did a 3 red light fix, but now his videos play out of sync. I wouldn't know how to correct that type of sync issue... if you want to encode a sample I can play it on my 360 and tell you if it stays in sync or not. Then you'll at least know whether it's a hardware problem or a problem with the file. Does it go out of sync when you play it with WMP?
Post by: tjaccola on July 26, 2007, 10:36:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Jul 26 2007, 11:26 PM)
You didn't happen to perform some ring of death fix maneuver did you? There was another thread where a user did a 3 red light fix, but now his videos play out of sync. I wouldn't know how to correct that type of sync issue... if you want to encode a sample I can play it on my 360 and tell you if it stays in sync or not. Then you'll at least know whether it's a hardware problem or a problem with the file. Does it go out of sync when you play it with WMP?
no, no problems with my xbox. it's always worked perfectly. and yes, the audio is out of sync even when i play it in wmp. i should tell you that i have always had this problem with just about every video i've ever tried to encode with tmpgenc. and i've tried every fix/solution/alternative method i can find online, but nothing seems to work. i'm at a loss. maybe it's some faulty combination of hardware? my sound card, perhaps (an audigy 2)?
Post by: impimpin206 on July 26, 2007, 10:08:00 PM
Post by: tjaccola on July 26, 2007, 10:50:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Jul 26 2007, 11:44 PM)
When you load the files into the TMPGEnc clip selector, do the times for both video and audio match? Are you doing a framerate conversion? Are you matching the source FPS to the format FPS? Difficult to say... you can set a delay with the AVS script, but if the sync isn't a consistent delay then you can't really correct it that way.
the times match in hours, minutes and seconds, but in whatever subunit of seconds (milliseconds?), the audio is shorter than the video by 11. in this case, the video is "2 h 00 m 52 s 23" and the audio "2 h 00 m 52 s 12." but the example you use in your tutorial seems to have a similar slight discrepancy between the video and the audio, yet it obviously syncs just fine.
Post by: zerolimit21 on July 27, 2007, 11:14:00 AM
everything working! Tutorial works 100% great work!!!
Encoded Shooter Blue Ray to WMV-HD works perfect!!!
now? is there any way to covert it from dvdsouce so we can keep menus?
Post by: impimpin206 on July 27, 2007, 11:17:00 AM
QUOTE(zerolimit21 @ Jul 27 2007, 06:50 PM)
got it working had bad coddecs lol
everything working! Tutorial works 100% great work!!!
Encoded Shooter Blue Ray to WMV-HD works perfect!!!
now? is there any way to covert it from dvdsouce so we can keep menus?
Sweet deal. There's no way to keep the menus with the WMV format, unfortunately. I will work up a tutorial for a start-to-finish conversion for HD/BR to WMV-HD in the near future.
Post by: noremacyug on July 27, 2007, 05:47:00 PM
Post by: noremacyug on July 27, 2007, 07:41:00 PM
Post by: TheRat on July 28, 2007, 04:16:00 AM
all works well (but takes looooong (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleeping.gif) ) but hey this is HD not DVD we are playing with here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
has anyone tried this nice pice of software? converts mkv to anything you want.
it works just as good and has alot of options to mess with, try it out!
http://www.pocketdivxencoder.net/
Post by: noremacyug on July 28, 2007, 12:10:00 PM
QUOTE(TheRat @ Jul 28 2007, 05:16 AM)
nice tut mate
all works well (but takes looooong
) but hey this is HD not DVD we are playing with here 
has anyone tried this nice pice of software? converts mkv to anything you want.
it works just as good and has alot of options to mess with, try it out!
http://www.pocketdivxencoder.net/
is that not software used to encode/resize video for use on a pocket pc, pda, smartphone, etc. not sure how it pertains to this thread.
Post by: TheRat on July 28, 2007, 08:56:00 PM
plus its Free
Post by: impimpin206 on July 29, 2007, 07:01:00 AM
QUOTE(TheRat @ Jul 29 2007, 04:32 AM)
well it has HDTV settings in it now for mkv files and blu-ray rips, an it was more of a question as if anyone here has used it? im no wiz on all this converting jazz, but it was very good and quite quick!
plus its Free
Those 3 click solutions are designed for those who wish to sacrifice quality for ease of use. It won't work for what we're trying to accomplish.
Post by: St4vr0s on July 29, 2007, 04:45:00 PM
QUOTE(St4vr0s @ Jul 26 2007, 09:40 PM)
tbh think both are installed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) however since last night I have made progress.....I uninstalled avisynth and re-installed. I can now load avs files in tmpgenc. As it runs it loads haai splitter. This unfortunately still doesn't run properly. I have tested it twice with reboots in between. the problem is that tmpgenc crashes everytime at 49% could this be where it starts the second pass? any other suggestions? thanks for the support!
impimpin206, hope you didn't think i was takin the pi$$ when i said thanks for the support! ....I meant it genuinley.
Do you have any ideas why I'm encountering this problem?
Cheers
Post by: impimpin206 on July 29, 2007, 07:53:00 PM
QUOTE(St4vr0s @ Jul 29 2007, 11:45 PM)
impimpin206, hope you didn't think i was takin the pi$$ when i said thanks for the support! ....I meant it genuinley.
Do you have any ideas why I'm encountering this problem?
Cheers
I'm not really sure how to fix the crashing... I always say un-install all video codecs & utilities, then re-install everything from scratch. If that doesn't work, may wanna try a clean XP install
Post by: noremacyug on July 30, 2007, 03:44:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Jul 29 2007, 09:29 PM)
I'm not really sure how to fix the crashing... I always say un-install all video codecs & utilities, then re-install everything from scratch. If that doesn't work, may wanna try a clean XP install
you had any probs with .avs scripts and tmpg? it just isn't working for me. i've reinstalled tmpg and tried running the script with zoomplayer. zoomplayer worked, it was sluggish and the a/v syncing was off, but it worked none the less. it's the only thing keeping me from being able to finish up the procedure.
Post by: naomikim on July 30, 2007, 07:42:00 AM
I got the same problem and i can't figure it out how to solve
When i load up the avs file it hangs.
But when i take the sample from the movie it works great.(So small files are working, big files are failing)
I am using Windows Vista btw...
Hope someone can solve oure problems
Thnx
This post has been edited by naomikim: Jul 30 2007, 02:42 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on July 30, 2007, 07:43:00 AM
QUOTE(naomikim @ Jul 30 2007, 02:42 PM)
Hi
I got the same problem and i can't figure it out how to solve
When i load up the avs file it hangs.
But when i take the sample from the movie it works great.(So small files are working, big files are failing)
I am using Windows Vista btw...
Hope someone can solve oure problems
Thnx
What are the specs on your system? Did you correct the path listed in the AVS file? I'm using Vista too, works great. Have you already un-installed all software/codecs and re-installed?
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Jul 30 2007, 11:20 AM)
you had any probs with .avs scripts and tmpg? it just isn't working for me. i've reinstalled tmpg and tried running the script with zoomplayer. zoomplayer worked, it was sluggish and the a/v syncing was off, but it worked none the less. it's the only thing keeping me from being able to finish up the procedure.
Are you running the latest version of TMPGENc ? Full version or trial edition? I'm wondering if maybe the trial edition is causing the problem, if that's what you crashers are running.
Post by: naomikim on July 30, 2007, 09:18:00 AM
I got an p4 3,4 with 2 gb mem and a 265 mb videocard..that should be enough i think ?
I uninstalled and reinstalled the software/codec's multi. times...but still not working.
I am using build 4.2.3.193 from TMPGEnc XPress full version..
It's kinda weird that a small file is working, and a big one is failing...The path to the file i modded..
Hope u have any other idea
thnx !
Post by: noremacyug on July 30, 2007, 09:40:00 AM
what version are you running?
Post by: noremacyug on July 30, 2007, 09:59:00 AM
Post by: impimpin206 on July 30, 2007, 10:08:00 AM
Post by: naomikim on July 30, 2007, 10:18:00 AM
Some peeps got similair problem with windows movie maker, and they say it has something to do with directshow filter oid ?
Well i don't have any other tools installed except ffdshow, but when i run that tool to view wich filters (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/DirectShow_Filter_Manager) i got i see a big big list with filters, like nero stuff etc, maybe that has something to do with ?
Not realy into the filters etc etc so maybe u can tell ?
Post by: naomikim on July 30, 2007, 12:26:00 PM
QUOTE(naomikim @ Jul 30 2007, 05:54 PM)
Same problem with that version...grmbl...
Some peeps got similair problem with windows movie maker, and they say it has something to do with directshow filter oid ?
Well i don't have any other tools installed except ffdshow, but when i run that tool to view wich filters (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/DirectShow_Filter_Manager) i got i see a big big list with filters, like nero stuff etc, maybe that has something to do with ?
Not realy into the filters etc etc so maybe u can tell ?
p.s
When i import the mkv file directly it works, no hanging then....
Post by: noremacyug on July 30, 2007, 01:34:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Jul 30 2007, 11:44 AM)
son of a beach!!!! i downloaded the trial and now when i try to register the trial key it won't connect to there servers. however, obviously i'm connected to the internet as this post was not created by magic.
Post by: JAC35 on July 30, 2007, 09:28:00 PM
Thanks again for this awesome tut!!
JAC
Post by: meestermole on July 30, 2007, 09:59:00 PM
one thing i'd like to point out - i don't need to use an .avs for the video input - it just choose "all files" and it loads an .mkv as direct show source. I learned the hard way though that i still need to extract the .ac3 and let it encode that as a seperate source, otherwise i get no audio at all.
great job - thanks for pointing out this method to me
Post by: sweethip on July 31, 2007, 05:12:00 AM
In the pic, it shows the .avs file loaded, right under the AC3 file...
does it really matter if i just load the movie.mkv file, TMPG wont load the AVS file. I pointed it to my movie.mkv file, and i get a error of something like "cant load file, but only the audio part"
But if i just load the mkv file it works... It took 5hrs on my machine (Dual Xenon's 3.2, 2Gigs Ram) movie was a bout a hr and 40min
I didnt try it on my 360 yet!!
What does this avs file do??
Post by: impimpin206 on July 31, 2007, 06:16:00 AM
QUOTE(sweethip @ Jul 31 2007, 12:48 PM)
Guys,
In the pic, it shows the .avs file loaded, right under the AC3 file...
does it really matter if i just load the movie.mkv file, TMPG wont load the AVS file. I pointed it to my movie.mkv file, and i get a error of something like "cant load file, but only the audio part"
But if i just load the mkv file it works... It took 5hrs on my machine (Dual Xenon's 3.2, 2Gigs Ram) movie was a bout a hr and 40min
I didnt try it on my 360 yet!!
What does this avs file do??
Many people get choppy distorted playback without the AVS file, but if loading the MKV file directly is giving you the desired output, then do that.
Post by: sweethip on July 31, 2007, 08:28:00 AM
any idea on why i cant get that avs file loaded.. I installed all the apps on the 1st post..installed the codec community pack to get mkv files working in TMPEG... changed my avs path in notepad to point to movie.mkv...
I left both files(avs & mkv) in the same dir.(wmv_working) and still nothing.. anyone have any tips\info
or could people that have this working post what codec\packs they have installed?
Does anyone know if WMV-HD files would work with my movies, i would like to use my movies just as the front-end GUI, so i can see the movie info, etc..then just hit play in Vista Media Center
Post by: impimpin206 on July 31, 2007, 09:08:00 AM
QUOTE(sweethip @ Jul 31 2007, 04:04 PM)
impimp,
any idea on why i cant get that avs file loaded.. I installed all the apps on the 1st post..installed the codec community pack to get mkv files working in TMPEG... changed my avs path in notepad to point to movie.mkv...
I left both files(avs & mkv) in the same dir.(wmv_working) and still nothing.. anyone have any tips\info
or could people that have this working post what codec\packs they have installed?
Does anyone know if WMV-HD files would work with my movies, i would like to use my movies just as the front-end GUI, so i can see the movie info, etc..then just hit play in Vista Media Center
I don't know what to do about the codec / file loading issues... but you should be able to view the WMV files in the 'My Movies' of Media Center. I just stream them directly through the 360 dashboard though.
Post by: djwaxi on July 31, 2007, 11:31:00 AM
I have one question, is it possible to add other subtitles (.sub, .srt files) to the converted WMV HD file ord the orginal MKV file ??
Post by: impimpin206 on July 31, 2007, 12:22:00 PM
QUOTE(djwaxi @ Jul 31 2007, 07:07 PM)
Thnxxx for this tutorial !!
I have one question, is it possible to add other subtitles (.sub, .srt files) to the converted WMV HD file ord the orginal MKV file ??
This is called "burning" subtitles to the video and should be possible. I'll have to test both of these methods, but both should do the trick
A] Right-click on your Haali Splitter icon in the system tray, and select a subtitle. This should put it on the decoder level and should feed right into the encoder
B] Load the subtitle with the AVS Script? Not familiar with this, but figure it should work the same way as above.
The downside to method A would be that you have to immediately start the subtitle manually, as it wont be automatically turned on. Perhaps you can setup Haali Splitter to automatically load the subs? I usually encode a few movies in a batch while unattended... so it'd be impossible to turn on the subtitles manually for each movie.
I'll toy with this tonight and report back.
Post by: djwaxi on July 31, 2007, 01:13:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Jul 31 2007, 07:58 PM) 
This is called "burning" subtitles to the video and should be possible. I'll have to test both of these methods, but both should do the trick
A] Right-click on your Haali Splitter icon in the system tray, and select a subtitle. This should put it on the decoder level and should feed right into the encoder
B] Load the subtitle with the AVS Script? Not familiar with this, but figure it should work the same way as above.
The downside to method A would be that you have to immediately start the subtitle manually, as it wont be automatically turned on. Perhaps you can setup Haali Splitter to automatically load the subs? I usually encode a few movies in a batch while unattended... so it'd be impossible to turn on the subtitles manually for each movie.
I'll toy with this tonight and report back.
Thnx for the information. I'm looking forward to your test results
Post by: noremacyug on July 31, 2007, 02:12:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Jul 31 2007, 01:58 PM)
The downside to method A would be that you have to immediately start the subtitle manually, as it wont be automatically turned on. Perhaps you can setup Haali Splitter to automatically load the subs?
I'll toy with this tonight and report back.
yes you can set haali to auto load whatever subtitle in whatever language you want, so long as the sub is available in the movie. you can also set a list of prioritized subtitles that it will look for every time it starts, same goes for audio streams.
Post by: sweethip on July 31, 2007, 02:38:00 PM
QUOTE(sweethip @ Jul 31 2007, 04:04 PM)
impimp,
any idea on why i cant get that avs file loaded.. I installed all the apps on the 1st post..installed the codec community pack to get mkv files working in TMPEG... changed my avs path in notepad to point to movie.mkv...
I left both files(avs & mkv) in the same dir.(wmv_working) and still nothing.. anyone have any tips\info
or could people that have this working post what codec\packs they have installed?
to the guys that got the avs to load in tmpeg, can you post what else you have installed besides the apps on the 1st page ....do we also need virtualdub.... when i load the avs into zoom i get sound BUT no picture... what am i missing??
Post by: sweethip on July 31, 2007, 09:01:00 PM
this is what you need PLUS the apps listed on the 1st page
- Xvid 1.1.3 codec pack
-combined community codec pack 7/22/07
Post by: noremacyug on August 01, 2007, 03:12:00 AM
QUOTE(sweethip @ Jul 31 2007, 10:37 PM)
Ok I finally got it working,
this is what you need PLUS the apps listed on the 1st page
- Xvid 1.1.3 codec pack
-combined community codec pack 7/22/07
GREAT FIND MAN!!!! works for me too and i even fell back to the older 4.2.3.193 version. do you have a bunch of haali and ffdshow icons in your system tray when you do this? i literally have 8 haalii and 4 ffdshow. it's ridiculous, but i'm glad it's working.
(edit) - after moving along to the format tab of tmpg i now only have 2 haali and 1 ffdshow incons in the sys tray. also, i'll see bout adding how to convert dts track to ac3 here soon. i'll list the programs needed and tell how to use them. it really wasn't a big deal.
Post by: noremacyug on August 01, 2007, 03:52:00 AM
Post by: impimpin206 on August 01, 2007, 07:05:00 AM
Also, I didn't have to do anything special with DTS tracks. I just loaded the video file straight up and used the default audio. Surround came just fine.
Post by: Sennin on August 01, 2007, 12:10:00 PM
^google it, rename your dts to "input.dts", put it in the folder and run the bat. I will give you a ac3.
For subs, you can use avs to load them, or you can go to "filters" in tmpg, add filter, subtitle, check it...and load your subs. You will probably have to play around with timings to get them just right, but thats how its done.
Post by: noremacyug on August 01, 2007, 12:27:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 1 2007, 08:41 AM)
Yup, although the red icon is a little different from mine! But yeah, I get a million filter icons in my system tray.
Also, I didn't have to do anything special with DTS tracks. I just loaded the video file straight up and used the default audio. Surround came just fine.
yeah, the red icon is the new ffdshow i suppose. it use to be white and after the updated cccp it turned red. since i've updated some stuff i'll try just load the dts track on the next one. it use to not work, but prolly will now that i've updated.
QUOTE(Sennin @ Aug 1 2007, 01:46 PM)
Dts2ac3
^google it, rename your dts to "input.dts", put it in the folder and run the bat. I will give you a ac3.
For subs, you can use avs to load them, or you can go to "filters" in tmpg, add filter, subtitle, check it...and load your subs. You will probably have to play around with timings to get them just right, but thats how its done.
if the dts track doesn't automatically load ill check out this method. tis a bit more straight forward than the one i found.
Post by: twisted blatino on August 01, 2007, 04:12:00 PM
Post by: morpheus2n on August 02, 2007, 06:53:00 AM
Post by: cerealkillajme on August 02, 2007, 07:29:00 AM
Read the rules if you are not familiar with them.
Post by: djwaxi on August 02, 2007, 11:32:00 AM
After step 3 . Run TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0 and start a new project. i can't do the following things..
4a. Load your AVS script (movie.avs) into the source file.
4b. Load your AC3 audio file into the 'Audio' section. (click browse, locate file)
4c. Change the 'Clip Name' to the title of your movie. This is what shows in the Xbox 360 browser.
When i drag the .AVS file into the window TMPGEnc crashes... i'm using Windows Vista 64.
Anyone knows what it is ?
Post by: impimpin206 on August 02, 2007, 12:12:00 PM
QUOTE(djwaxi @ Aug 2 2007, 07:08 PM)
Am i the only one with the following problem ?
After step 3 . Run TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0 and start a new project. i can't do the following things..
4a. Load your AVS script (movie.avs) into the source file.
4b. Load your AC3 audio file into the 'Audio' section. (click browse, locate file)
4c. Change the 'Clip Name' to the title of your movie. This is what shows in the Xbox 360 browser.
When i drag the .AVS file into the window TMPGEnc crashes... i'm using Windows Vista 64.
Anyone knows what it is ?
Maybe it's Vista 64 bit?
Post by: djwaxi on August 02, 2007, 12:56:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 2 2007, 07:48 PM)
Maybe it's Vista 64 bit?
i hope not. Encoding the .mkv file with Encode360 doens't work with Vista Is there any other way to convert it to WMV-HD ?
Post by: impimpin206 on August 02, 2007, 03:26:00 PM
QUOTE(djwaxi @ Aug 2 2007, 08:32 PM)
i hope not. Encoding the .mkv file with Encode360 doens't work with Vista Is there any other way to convert it to WMV-HD ?It might not be just TMPGEnc either... it could be any of the involved programs having an issue with 64 bit edition. I really don't know... the software all worked for me without a hitch. I've got Vista 32 bit Ult.
Post by: morpheus2n on August 02, 2007, 05:55:00 PM
QUOTE(djwaxi @ Aug 2 2007, 07:08 PM)
Am i the only one with the following problem ?
After step 3 . Run TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0 and start a new project. i can't do the following things..
4a. Load your AVS script (movie.avs) into the source file.
4b. Load your AC3 audio file into the 'Audio' section. (click browse, locate file)
4c. Change the 'Clip Name' to the title of your movie. This is what shows in the Xbox 360 browser.
When i drag the .AVS file into the window TMPGEnc crashes... i'm using Windows Vista 64.
Anyone knows what it is ?
I have the same prob look up a few?!?! Im running vista ultimate 32bit and have also tested on my xp home pc and have the same probes on that aswell!
But I have found a way round it uninstall avisyth!!!
and get the CCCP codec pack and xvid 1.1.3.
Follow the steps as normal but insted of loading the avs just load the mkv as the video and the ac3 as normal and then it works fine (takes asges to encode but works) so I think theres a bug with the whole avs thing lol
Post by: Daven on August 03, 2007, 12:25:00 AM
"Could not open the video part of the file F:\wmv_working\movie.avs. Only the audio part could be opened."
The file plays fine in wmplayer. Any thoughts?
Thanks for the write-up.
Post by: noremacyug on August 03, 2007, 04:04:00 AM
QUOTE(Daven @ Aug 3 2007, 02:01 AM)
I've got a strange error that I cant seem to figure out. Everything seems to be working and TMPGEnc is able to open the MKV directly...however when I select the .avs file my screen flickers for about 10 seconds and I get an error that says
"Could not open the video part of the file F:\wmv_working\movie.avs. Only the audio part could be opened."
The file plays fine in wmplayer. Any thoughts?
Thanks for the write-up.
read the thread. this issue has already been discussed. the answer is even on this page.
Post by: djwaxi on August 03, 2007, 02:14:00 PM
The only problem i have is that after encoding there is no subtitle availaible. The .mkv file has a dutch subtitle inside. When i play the .mkv file in VLC the subtitle is selectable. After encoding to WMV , no subtitles... anyone knows why ?
Post by: impimpin206 on August 03, 2007, 02:35:00 PM
Post by: nofear04 on August 04, 2007, 01:01:00 AM
i have a couple of hd dvds im getting soon [thanks to the HD DVD drive] and i wanna get to ripping them onto my external hd.
and dont laugh at my specs....i spend all my money on pre-orders :-D
Post by: impimpin206 on August 04, 2007, 01:36:00 AM
QUOTE(nofear04 @ Aug 4 2007, 08:37 AM)
do you guys think a 2.4 intel p4 socket 478 with 3/4 a gig of memory is too slow to be encoding these.
i have a couple of hd dvds im getting soon [thanks to the HD DVD drive] and i wanna get to ripping them onto my external hd.
and dont laugh at my specs....i spend all my money on pre-orders :-D
It will get the job done, but you'll probably be looking at 12-14 hour encodes at least. But yeah, it will do it.
Post by: nofear04 on August 04, 2007, 01:47:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 4 2007, 04:12 AM)
It will get the job done, but you'll probably be looking at 12-14 hour encodes at least. But yeah, it will do it.
wow i didnt expect an answer that quickly...thanks.
im setting everything up and ill probably work on it when i buy my first hd dvd tommorow at one of these doorbuster sales.
Post by: morpheus2n on August 04, 2007, 07:11:00 PM
Post by: zippy101 on August 05, 2007, 07:28:00 AM
Post by: djwaxi on August 05, 2007, 07:31:00 AM
Post by: noremacyug on August 05, 2007, 02:32:00 PM
anyone have any ideas as to what could have caused that?
Post by: nofear04 on August 05, 2007, 03:47:00 PM
QUOTE(nofear04 @ Aug 4 2007, 04:23 AM)
wow i didnt expect an answer that quickly...thanks.
im setting everything up and ill probably work on it when i buy my first hd dvd tommorow at one of these doorbuster sales.
yea had decided to take this tut for a go today, it would have took my computer about 25hrs to do the encode. Of course, i cant allow my computer not to be used for 24 full hrs, so i went out and got a Core2Duo e4300 and a mb that i'll probably install sometime next week, once i can afford mem.
but 30 mins i did encode from 300 looked damned good on my xbox
Post by: impimpin206 on August 05, 2007, 04:10:00 PM
QUOTE(nofear04 @ Aug 5 2007, 11:23 PM)
yea had decided to take this tut for a go today, it would have took my computer about 25hrs to do the encode. Of course, i cant allow my computer not to be used for 24 full hrs, so i went out and got a Core2Duo e4300 and a mb that i'll probably install sometime next week, once i can afford mem.
but 30 mins i did encode from 300 looked damned good on my xbox
Great choice! I had my e4300 running @ 3.15 GHz and my e4400 is @ 3.25 GHz. Hopefully you have a good overclocking board, you'll be blazing through encodes in no-time!
Post by: mrmoe on August 05, 2007, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on August 05, 2007, 05:19:00 PM
QUOTE(mrmoe @ Aug 6 2007, 12:09 AM)
can this be done on a mac? just to encode to WMV, just got a new mac and want to use it to make x264 files to WMV files but dont know if i can
Bootcamp to windows. Otherwise, you can convert to H264 on the mac... don't know about WMV though.
Post by: zippy101 on August 07, 2007, 02:38:00 AM
Please Help
Post by: morpheus2n on August 07, 2007, 06:53:00 AM
QUOTE(zippy101 @ Aug 7 2007, 10:14 AM)
Why won't this work for me.. The video is unwatchable on the 360 about 5 frames a second ? I've followed the tutorial to the letter and the files play fine on my pc so what am i doing wrong?
Please Help
How are you streaming this to the 360 wireless or wired? also worth looking at how quick your HD is on the PC cos if it can't read and send the info over the network fast enough then the 360 will only play at the speed it recives it
Post by: zippy101 on August 07, 2007, 07:06:00 AM
Post by: impimpin206 on August 07, 2007, 07:24:00 AM
Post by: zippy101 on August 07, 2007, 07:51:00 AM
Post by: jacanuck on August 07, 2007, 10:33:00 AM
I've tried using the method in the tutorial, but am having problems when using the .avs file as my video source. At the 50% mark, TMPG reports that there is an error with the output, and stops encoding the file.
If I use the original .mkv file as the video source, I am able to 100% transcode the file. However, the new wmv files are really choppy when using the .mkv file as the video source.
Since it is listed above in the topic that using the .avs file solves the chopy output problem, I'd like some help in figuring out what is wrong when TMPG is stopping the file at 50%.
Post by: impimpin206 on August 07, 2007, 11:35:00 AM
QUOTE(jacanuck @ Aug 7 2007, 06:09 PM)
Thanks for the tutorial! I am using Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit, with all of the required software listed above installed.
I've tried using the method in the tutorial, but am having problems when using the .avs file as my video source. At the 50% mark, TMPG reports that there is an error with the output, and stops encoding the file.
If I use the original .mkv file as the video source, I am able to 100% transcode the file. However, the new wmv files are really choppy when using the .mkv file as the video source.
Since it is listed above in the topic that using the .avs file solves the chopy output problem, I'd like some help in figuring out what is wrong when TMPG is stopping the file at 50%.
Can you make a 3-5 minute sample clip okay? What happens at 50% is the encoder starts the 2nd pass, since this is a 2 pass VBR encode. You could set it to CBR, that should fix it. I actually tested several movies with CBR and VBR settings, and for some of them the difference was negligable. Where you'd start to see the difference is long running, high action movies. VBR dedicates higher bitrate to high motion scenes, and gives low bitrate to the scenes that don't need the extra data. Ultimately, VBR is better but CBR should be acceptable if you can't get a 2 pass encode to work... you could also try using VirtualDubMod as a frame server... haven't tried that, perhaps I'll toy with it since a few people here are having trouble with Avisynth.
Post by: jacanuck on August 07, 2007, 02:06:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 7 2007, 02:11 PM)
Can you make a 3-5 minute sample clip okay? What happens at 50% is the encoder starts the 2nd pass, since this is a 2 pass VBR encode. You could set it to CBR, that should fix it. I actually tested several movies with CBR and VBR settings, and for some of them the difference was negligable. Where you'd start to see the difference is long running, high action movies. VBR dedicates higher bitrate to high motion scenes, and gives low bitrate to the scenes that don't need the extra data. Ultimately, VBR is better but CBR should be acceptable if you can't get a 2 pass encode to work... you could also try using VirtualDubMod as a frame server... haven't tried that, perhaps I'll toy with it since a few people here are having trouble with Avisynth.
I'm going to attempt encoding a 3 minute sample clip of the movie (similar to the length of the one in the tutorial). If I can make a 3-5 minute sample clip, but can't do the full length clip, what does this mean? Does my system not have enough ram or something to do VBR.
I'm assuming I wont sacrifice quality by doing CBR, but will sacrifice file size (VBR files should be smaller if it uses lower bit rate for non action scenes etc). ?
Post by: jacanuck on August 07, 2007, 02:28:00 PM
So what is preventing me from doing so with my longer 1 - 2 hour clips?
Post by: impimpin206 on August 07, 2007, 04:53:00 PM
QUOTE(jacanuck @ Aug 7 2007, 10:04 PM)
I was fully able to encode a 2 minute file, using the .avs as the source, using 2 pass VBR (average/peak).
So what is preventing me from doing so with my longer 1 - 2 hour clips?
It's hard to say whether the problem is with Avisynth or TMPGEnc... I think basically TMPGEnc is just waiting (waiting, waiting, waiting) for the input to come again and it eventually just crashes. Can you post what versions of both TMPGEnc and Avisynth you are running?
I'll look into using VirtualDubMod tonight as an alternative frameserver... may end up being the easiest solution.
QUOTE(jacanuck @ Aug 7 2007, 09:42 PM)
I'm assuming I wont sacrifice quality by doing CBR, but will sacrifice file size (VBR files should be smaller if it uses lower bit rate for non action scenes etc). ?
That's not quite accurate. What it does is use the same amount of data, more efficiently. For example if you have a 1 minute clip and 1 megabyte for this clip... you could put an even bitrate through the whole thing (both high and low action) or... you can use low bandwidth for the low motion scenes and more bandwidth where its really needed. It will be the same file size (relatively, small variance)
Post by: jacanuck on August 07, 2007, 05:43:00 PM
The small file I converted had a pretty poor frame rate once I had the chance to view it. I'm going to attempt it again with CBR
TMPG 4.0 Express v4.2.3.193
AVIsynth 2.5 (the one listed for download in the original topic)
Post by: jacanuck on August 07, 2007, 07:10:00 PM
Post by: noremacyug on August 07, 2007, 08:40:00 PM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Aug 5 2007, 04:08 PM)
i finally got around to re-encoding a whole movie. the resulted picture/sound is great except for the first ~5 mins of the movie are jerky, after that everything "leveled" out and was perfectly fluid and smooth. i'm not sure what the deal is with the first few mins, but i'm trying some different settings to see if it makes a difference.
anyone have any ideas as to what could have caused that?
any ideas on this issue?
Post by: impimpin206 on August 07, 2007, 10:07:00 PM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Aug 8 2007, 04:16 AM)
any ideas on this issue?
My hypothesis is that the encoder wasn't getting the frames served smoothly. What are your machine's specs again? Sorry I don't feel like digging
Defrag your hard drive, try again?EDIT: I just realized something that could be relevant. I have my source files on one of my storage drives and save my output files to the C:\ (My Videos). This definitely could be related, as my data is flowing smoothly from one drive to another. :shrug:
Post by: blocka on August 07, 2007, 10:45:00 PM
- The common x264 files that can be found - are they too much for XBMC to handle? I know 720p doesn't work but a lot of the ones I have seen have are 1280 x 576 or something a touch less than 720p
- I have a P4 2.4GH with 1.5GB ram. Should I even bother with this?
- Why is x264 so common. A lot of people have 360's, so why isn't H264 that will work on the 360 straight up more common? I am guessing there is some advantage of x264?
Thanks
Post by: noremacyug on August 07, 2007, 11:42:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 7 2007, 11:43 PM)
My hypothesis is that the encoder wasn't getting the frames served smoothly. What are your machine's specs again? Sorry I don't feel like digging
Defrag your hard drive, try again?EDIT: I just realized something that could be relevant. I have my source files on one of my storage drives and save my output files to the C:\ (My Videos). This definitely could be related, as my data is flowing smoothly from one drive to another. :shrug:
dual intel prestonia core 2.2ghz cpus
1gb rdram
2 x 10k scsi drives striped
1 x 160gb ide drive
i too have the source files on the 160gb and am outputting to the striped scsi's. however, currently my 160gb drive is fairly fragmented due to only having 7% free space on it. diskeeper is set to auto defrag, however the lack of space is making it hard on it. i'll see if i can get it defragged and check it again.
i don't get why it only does it during the first ~5mins though. after that, all is well.
Post by: nofear04 on August 08, 2007, 01:36:00 AM
QUOTE(blocka @ Aug 8 2007, 01:21 AM)
new to this stuff but I have 3 questions:
- The common x264 files that can be found - are they too much for XBMC to handle? I know 720p doesn't work but a lot of the ones I have seen have are 1280 x 576 or something a touch less than 720p
- I have a P4 2.4GH with 1.5GB ram. Should I even bother with this?
- Why is x264 so common. A lot of people have 360's, so why isn't H264 that will work on the 360 straight up more common? I am guessing there is some advantage of x264?
Thanks
I cant vouch for the 1280x576 video as i no longer have my hd av pack for the xbox. from what i do remember i was able to do 480p with it, but native 720p or somewhere in the neighborhood resulted in choppy playback. its really due to the p3? and lack of memory on the xbox...
Go for it with the p4...I'm rocking a celeron d with 768mb ram...took me about 24 hours but the result is well worth it....depending on what socket p4 you have, i'd say about 14-17 hours, probably less.
Idk why x264 is common, i believe it has to do with better quality...plus people hate wmv so yea.
O, on a related note, is there anyway i can mux subtitles onto the video [hardsub since x360 DOESNT SUPPORT SUBTITLES] before I create the avs file?
Would i need to extract the video and subtitle section, hardsub it, and then recreate the mkv or can i just encode the x264 video track as is?
Post by: jacanuck on August 08, 2007, 05:08:00 AM
Post by: nofear04 on August 08, 2007, 09:11:00 AM
you will need VSfilter [google it]...if you have the K-lite or ace codec packs, it should be included in there
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\K-Lite Codec Pack\filters\VSFilter.dll")
DirectShowSource ("J:\Ghost In The Shell\Innocence.mkv")
TextSub("J:\Ghost In The Shell\Innocence.ass")
loadplugin should point to wherever VSFilter.dll is at on your computer
DirectShowSource is of course where your mkv lies
textsub is where the sub is located on your computer
as far as i know subs supported should be .sub, .idx .ssa and .ass...of course this is all depended on what codec pack you have and what is included.
this is assuming you only have/need one track to be used for hardsubbing [i.e japanese anime with seperate sub file]
This post has been edited by nofear04: Aug 8 2007, 04:15 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on August 08, 2007, 09:42:00 AM
For movies that are properly encoded and don't have black bars burned in, those are typically less than 720 vertical pixels because they have a super widescreen aspect ratio. Basically, the 576 pixels + black bars = 720 pixels (or whatever your TV has, like 720 or 768 pixels)
In summary, very few movies have the same widescreen aspect ratio as your TV. Most movies, even when played on widescreen TV's, STILL have black bars on top/bottom to keep the ratio intact.
This is exactly what you're seeing... the movie itself is 1280x544 or 1280x576... which is 720p, minus the black bars that are required to make it look right
Cot damn that was convoluted.
Oh, and your specs are fine. The x264 codec gives great compression... the most bang for the buck. It's too bad the 360 won't decode these files natively.
As for subtitles, you can load them with the Haali Media Splitter as well if you don't want to screw with AVS scripting. Just right click on your Haali system tray icon and turn on the subs. It should feed to the encoder, will test later today.
Post by: jacanuck on August 08, 2007, 09:51:00 AM
Still stuck on this issue
Post by: impimpin206 on August 08, 2007, 10:29:00 AM
QUOTE(jacanuck @ Aug 8 2007, 05:27 PM)
The files that I am encoding are 1920 by 800 (1080p files without the blackbars). This wouldn't cause TMPG to hang at the 50% mark when using the .avs file as a source would it?
Still stuck on this issue
You did correct the resolution in tmpgenc to match your source file, right? Perhpas the large resolution of the file is causing a loading issue... maybe want to specify your total number of frames and framerate? Possibly resize down to 1280x720... but that would create black bars. You could also try resizing to the actual same size, this might get the encoder over whatever bump its stuck on... try this for your AVS file... Well not this exactly, this example would be for the Talladega Nights sample I used. Notice the clip summary details the FPS, resolution and the total number of frames?
DirectShowSource ("E:\path_to\movie.mkv", fps=23.976, framecount=155342)
LanczosResize(1280, 528)
So YOURS would look something like this:
DirectShowSource ("E:\path_to\movie.mkv", fps=23.976, framecount=FILLTHISIN)
LanczosResize(1920, 800)
-OR- (to try and downsize)
DirectShowSource ("E:\path_to\movie.mkv", fps=23.976, framecount=FILLTHISIN)
LanczosResize(1280, 720)
Although setting the resolution to 1280x720 may cause black bars to be burned into your output file. The 360 can help with this by using various display modes, like full screen, etc... but it's nice to have it natively fit, as little scaling as possible. I'd say encode a small test file using both of the above scripts and see what is giving a quality output. You might as well try to keep it 1920x800 if you can- the xbox360 can decode 1080p just fine.
And NOW, I'm going to go screw with Avisynth some more, or maybe an alternate frameserver. Once we get the last few of you guys' problems worked out I will rewrite the tutorial.
Post by: jacanuck on August 08, 2007, 11:53:00 AM
I have been entering in the appropriate resolutions into TMPG for (1920x800). I'm going to try your two scripts, and will let you know of the results.
Thanks again, I really appreciate your help!
Post by: jacanuck on August 08, 2007, 02:54:00 PM
QUOTE(jacanuck @ Aug 8 2007, 02:29 PM)
Thanks for the update!
I have been entering in the appropriate resolutions into TMPG for (1920x800). I'm going to try your two scripts, and will let you know of the results.
Thanks again, I really appreciate your help!
Alright, using the script
DirectShowSource ("c:\wmv_working\movie.mkv", fps=23.972, framecount=849)
LanczosResize(1920, 800)
Has successfully 100% encoded a file, no TMPG hangs @ 50%!
This is good!
The resulting file however, is choppy to view
It's almost identical to chosing the .mkv file as the source. If we can find a way to smooth out thew transcoded file - we're golden.
Post by: impimpin206 on August 08, 2007, 03:20:00 PM
QUOTE(jacanuck @ Aug 8 2007, 10:30 PM)
Alright, using the script
DirectShowSource ("c:\wmv_working\movie.mkv", fps=23.972, framecount=849)
LanczosResize(1920, 800)
Has successfully 100% encoded a file, no TMPG hangs @ 50%!
This is good!
The resulting file however, is choppy to view
It's almost identical to chosing the .mkv file as the source. If we can find a way to smooth out thew transcoded file - we're golden.Oh yeah, progress makes me so hot. Is your source file 23.976 FPS? In what you pasted there, you've got the FPS at 23.972, so try fixing that. But make sure your source file actually is 23.976. It looks like you're encoding a 35 second clip or so, can you send it to me via FTP or chat? Check your PM.
Post by: jacanuck on August 08, 2007, 06:37:00 PM
Check the 2nd PM - the link in the first pm doesn't work.
This post has been edited by jacanuck: Aug 9 2007, 01:41 AM
Post by: impimpin206 on August 09, 2007, 11:03:00 AM
I just made a basic AVS script, just like the one in the tutorial. I loaded it up into TMPGEnc. I set the crop to trim 320 pixels off both top and bottom. Then I matched the resolution. Then I encoded.
You can download my complete sample at this link.
Try playing that on your 360... are you getting something different? Like I said, no additional steps here...
One thing I thought of, turn up performance options in TMPGEnc. Go to Options -> Preferences and set maximum video memory to 512 MB (or higher...) Also enable dual threading if it's not already (and you're on a dual core system)
Post by: jacanuck on August 09, 2007, 11:19:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 9 2007, 01:39 PM)
I encoded your sample just fine. There was one additional step I had to take: cropping with TMPGEnc. Did you actually crop the image, or just set the resolution to match? When you set the resolution to match, did you just change the verticle (from 544 to 800), or did you change the horizontal resolution as well? (from 1280 to 1920)
I didn't crop anything with TMPGEnc. All I did was set the resolution to match. I set the resolution to 1920x800. One thing I do notice, is that the frame rate of my source video is 23.972 FPS, and the framerate in the "format" section of my TMPG project (loaded from the xbox 360 720 VBR template) is 23.976. Could this cause a problem?
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 9 2007, 01:39 PM)
I just made a basic AVS script, just like the one in the tutorial. I loaded it up into TMPGEnc. I set the crop to trim 320 pixels off both top and bottom. Then I matched the resolution. Then I encoded.
This file you encoded plays smooth, no problems at all. Why did you crop the bottom and top? I don't remember seeing that step in the tutorial. Is this an option in TMPG, I'll have a look.
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 9 2007, 01:39 PM)
One thing I thought of, turn up performance options in TMPGEnc. Go to Options -> Preferences and set maximum video memory to 512 MB (or higher...) Also enable dual threading if it's not already (and you're on a dual core system)
I'll check these options (and if cropping is important I'll do that too) and attempt to re-encode. I can't seem to find the option for setting maximum video memory in options -> preferences in TMPG, but I'll dig a little bit. If you know where that option is, that would be helpful. I also wonder if it has something to do with the bitrate. The bitrate I was chosing was 8000+ kbps, yours is showing 6900kbps.
Thanks again for all of your help - I think we're almost there!
Post by: jacanuck on August 09, 2007, 11:46:00 AM
I cannot find the option to set video memory in TMPG. Dual threading was already enabled. I also can't find the option to crop, but I admit I only looked for a minute or two. I'm not sure that was an important step though.
I've changed the bit rate average to 6900 similar to your file, and am re encoding it on two different machines. My XP machine is doing so using the original .avs script (directshowsource only, no framelength or fps added), and my vista machine (the one i've been using all along) still using the modified .avs script that got it past the 50% hanging bug.
I'll let you know of my results.
Post by: jacanuck on August 09, 2007, 11:59:00 AM
QUOTE(jacanuck @ Aug 9 2007, 02:22 PM)
Actually,
I cannot find the option to set video memory in TMPG. Dual threading was already enabled. I also can't find the option to crop, but I admit I only looked for a minute or two. I'm not sure that was an important step though.
I've changed the bit rate average to 6900 similar to your file, and am re encoding it on two different machines. My XP machine is doing so using the original .avs script (directshowsource only, no framelength or fps added), and my vista machine (the one i've been using all along) still using the modified .avs script that got it past the 50% hanging bug.
I'll let you know of my results.
Alright here are the results.
Vista Sample (using modified .avs script) - 30.7 MB - choppy playback (better than before, but still choppy. Maybe the bit rate had something to do with it ?)
XP Sample (using the exact method from tutorial) - 30.7 MB - choppy playback, same as vista file.
Your file was 23.6 MB - what could we be doing differently that is causing my files to suck
Post by: impimpin206 on August 09, 2007, 01:06:00 PM
This is probably your problem.
I double checked the default FPS, and mine shows 23.972 for the source as well. Still worked okay.
Also, what's this about your bitrate? The average bitrate, by default, with my script should be 5200. For a small sample file, don't adjust it... but when loading a full movie for encoding you then want to use the bitrate calculator to adjust it... I'm still trying to find the maximum output size since using 100% of a DVD5 disc only makes a 4.2 GB file. Anyway, more on that later.... but the point is your bitrate should be average 5200 and maximum 6900. You can set a higher maximum, but that will lower your average. If you want to do this, I highly suggest you set a 8.5 GB output so the whole thing is high enough bitrate.
This could also be part of the problem... While the MS doc says that it can technically take up to 15mbps, use higher bitrates at your own risk. Windows Movie Maker has an option for WMV-HD for Xbox 360, and it has the max bitrate at 6900. This is why I use 6900 in this tutorial. Going to 8000 max could work, and give better quality for 8.5 GB sized high-action movies... but the movies I've done so far look fine with the 6900 max. However since this is 1080p, you may need a higher bitrate. But a higher bitrate could also be the problem. Set your max to 6900.
Try the steps above. See what happens.
Another thing: Check the FPS of your full length source. It's possible that the sample has some issue with the way it was cut, so the runtime and the number of frames aren't exactly correct and causing the FPS to be miscalculated.
Post by: jacanuck on August 09, 2007, 01:22:00 PM
Cropping the file 320 on the bottom and 320 on the top removes over 2/3 of the actual video. Did you mix my source file up with someone elses?My full files (not the sample) are of identical framerate bit rate etc.
BTW not sure if I've mentioned this in the past, but the wmv files that I've encoded playback choppy even on my computer, not just the xbox 360.
I'm going to play around with bit rates since cropping isn't going to work in my case. I'll set my max to 6900 and avg to 5200. In 10 minutes or so I'll let you know how they turn out.
Post by: jacanuck on August 09, 2007, 01:45:00 PM
QUOTE(jacanuck @ Aug 9 2007, 03:58 PM)
I'm going to play around with bit rates since cropping isn't going to work in my case. I'll set my max to 6900 and avg to 5200. In 10 minutes or so I'll let you know how they turn out.
The files are still choppy even using 5200 avg and 6900 peak bit rates. There has to be something small we're missing here
I'm going to run your sample and my sample through gspot to see if there are any codec differences or something.I'm stuck - I dont know where else to look.
Post by: impimpin206 on August 09, 2007, 01:54:00 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on August 09, 2007, 07:46:00 PM
- FFDShow MPEG-4 Video Decoder 2007-08-5 (Use same as input for mixer setting, otherwise it will give 2ch input to TMPGEnc and demuxing the AC3 is required... although this is the prefered method anyway)
download @ http://www.free-codecs.com/download_soft.php?d=3474&s=50
- Koepi's XviD Codec 1.1.3 final Note: TMPGEnc will NOT read your MKV file through the AVS script without this installed.
download @ http://www.free-codecs.com/download_soft.php?d=1312&s=52
- AviSynth 2.5.8 alpha (2.5.7 release should work, but this is what I'm using)
download @ http://www.free-codecs.com/download_soft.php?d=3495&s=110
I do not recommend using CCCP.
Note: I preferred CoreAVC in the past, but it wasn't Vista compatible. I believe it is now, so I will toy with that. It's got great performance and quality.
Post by: impimpin206 on August 09, 2007, 08:55:00 PM
EDIT: Well that's confirmed. I uninstalled the newer ffdshow, then installed my old one. I re-encoded a saved project file and the output file went from choppy to beautiful. I'm going to put all the necessary decoders into an archive and link that in the main tutorial. I'm going to do a little re-write to account for various settings that may need to be changed, depending on source.
Post by: Ol!ver on August 10, 2007, 08:48:00 AM
Cheers
Post by: jacanuck on August 10, 2007, 09:08:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 9 2007, 11:31 PM)
Ignore the above post, for now. I'm having difficulty with the ffdshow version mentioned above. However, I've found the old codec installs that I originally used. Earlier in this thread I mentioned someone's ffdshow icons looking different... well those different ones are the ones giving me trouble! Anyway, I'll post back once I've got the 100% definitive list of the necessary decoders. I'm also messing with audio mixer settings... I'm trying to get AC3 5.1 tracks to read into the encoder unfiltered. Most of these codec packs install ac3 decoders that mix it into different streams. For now, the best thing to do is demux the AC3 stream and load it separately. This will also prevent sync issues.
EDIT: Well that's confirmed. I uninstalled the newer ffdshow, then installed my old one. I re-encoded a saved project file and the output file went from choppy to beautiful. I'm going to put all the necessary decoders into an archive and link that in the main tutorial. I'm going to do a little re-write to account for various settings that may need to be changed, depending on source.
Good work cody!
Are there not any required codecs to open the mkv files on top of everything in your list (a few posts above)?
Is the older version of ffdshow that you have, the one that was adding the black bars to my 1920x800 mkv files (and if so, is there a way to fix that, as I'm sure it will cause problems with other applications that are displaying files which won't need the extra black bars?)
Way to stay on task!
Post by: impimpin206 on August 10, 2007, 10:50:00 AM
Post by: Stinger666 on August 10, 2007, 12:42:00 PM
I have one small problem.. I'm trying to extract an MKV using MKVExtractGUI 1.6.4 that has "FLAC" as the audio on track2.. Unfortunately i get an "MKExtract cannot extract this kind of file..." error....
Any idea what i can do? I really need to get this file to work on my 360!! Thanks for any help!
Screenshot below:
Post by: impimpin206 on August 10, 2007, 02:02:00 PM
So if you've installed it to handle FLAC, you *should* be able to just load the AVS script into the encoder and use the default audio. Try that, let us know what happens
Post by: impimpin206 on August 10, 2007, 02:14:00 PM
I'm going to do another clean install, then compare the settings I have stored in that registry file to what comes default on the install.
I don't remember tweaking any settings when I installed my decoders, but that was all long before I wrote this tutorial so it's tough to recollect it all.
Hopefully I come up with an answer to this decoder stuff soon.
Right now, the CCCP w/ my old saved settings seem to be doing the job. Although I'm having to crop an input file that moments ago, with regular ffdshow, I did not have to crop.
Something in the CCCP is adding black/bars to my file when its being rendered. I'm not sure how this setting(s) play into the encoding... seems I'm able to get decent output with both.
However, based on the last couple days of discussion, it seems this is the optimal setup.
Although I still feel like the setup I just formatted was optimal
Post by: Stinger666 on August 10, 2007, 04:33:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 10 2007, 10:38 PM)
Try skipping the step. I believe FFDSHOW will decode FLAC by default if you installed it with that option check (I know this from my multiple re-installs last night
So if you've installed it to handle FLAC, you *should* be able to just load the AVS script into the encoder and use the default audio. Try that, let us know what happensThank you for replying so quickly!!
But if i were to skip that step what would i put for audio when i start the TMPGEnc project? I'm guessing i'd just select the movie.avs file, yeah?
EDIT - I feel well stupid, lol.. It won't let me add the MKV file or the AVS file.. :S
Post by: impimpin206 on August 10, 2007, 04:46:00 PM
Post by: Stinger666 on August 10, 2007, 04:50:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 11 2007, 01:22 AM)
When you add the AVS, it should use the AVS for both audio/video. Normally, we use a separate audio so it gets read properly. So that won't work, just use it as it loads. If it wont recognize the audio when you load the AVS, you need to install a FLAC decoder (or reinstall your ffmpeg with FLAC support)
Thanks for the reply again mate, you really are a big help..
I got the AVS to load on my TMPGEnc, turns out i forgot to install AVISynth, lol.. Anyway i'm going to try and go through the process without seperate audio and see what happens...
Post by: jacanuck on August 11, 2007, 10:07:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 10 2007, 04:50 PM)
Okay I have now installed CCCP latest, then loaded the ffdshow registry file from my last install. The encoder is now adding black bars on top/bottom again... so this is definitely ffdshow/VFW related.
I'm going to do another clean install, then compare the settings I have stored in that registry file to what comes default on the install.
I don't remember tweaking any settings when I installed my decoders, but that was all long before I wrote this tutorial so it's tough to recollect it all.
Hopefully I come up with an answer to this decoder stuff soon.
Right now, the CCCP w/ my old saved settings seem to be doing the job. Although I'm having to crop an input file that moments ago, with regular ffdshow, I did not have to crop.
Something in the CCCP is adding black/bars to my file when its being rendered. I'm not sure how this setting(s) play into the encoding... seems I'm able to get decent output with both.
However, based on the last couple days of discussion, it seems this is the optimal setup.
Although I still feel like the setup I just formatted was optimal
I'll be back in town Sunday afternoon, and will also have a look at the black bar bug. This is the last step!
Post by: impimpin206 on August 11, 2007, 10:18:00 PM
QUOTE(jacanuck @ Aug 12 2007, 05:43 AM)
I'll be back in town Sunday afternoon, and will also have a look at the black bar bug. This is the last step!
Already figured it out, as well as the speed issue
Hit me up on chat and I'll fill you inCheers
Post by: smokersx on August 11, 2007, 10:34:00 PM
help a brother out
Post by: impimpin206 on August 11, 2007, 11:23:00 PM
QUOTE(smokersx @ Aug 12 2007, 06:10 AM)
hmm... i cant get past the first step.. i open up the mkvextractgui, but the movie.mkv file doesnt show up when i click on "add".. im in the folder.. i have no idea what to do.. I wanna watch Mortal Kombat: Konquest on my TV
help a brother outIt's strange that the file just won't open... but just skip the step. Many movies will load the 5.1 audio track correctly without the first step. Worst case scenario, it loads as 2ch audio. But even that can be prevented.
First, load the AVS file into the encoder and see if the audio reads as 5.1 or 2 channel.
If it loads as 2ch, then go into your AC3 decoder config and set it to 'no change' or whatever makes it read as 5.1 audio.
Like I said... worst case scenario, it encodes as 2 channel audio.
If this is even important to you...
cheers
Post by: smokersx on August 12, 2007, 03:36:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 11 2007, 09:59 PM)
It's strange that the file just won't open... but just skip the step. Many movies will load the 5.1 audio track correctly without the first step. Worst case scenario, it loads as 2ch audio. But even that can be prevented.
First, load the AVS file into the encoder and see if the audio reads as 5.1 or 2 channel.
If it loads as 2ch, then go into your AC3 decoder config and set it to 'no change' or whatever makes it read as 5.1 audio.
Like I said... worst case scenario, it encodes as 2 channel audio.
If this is even important to you...
cheers
i finally got it goin.. i am completely new to everything this involves so it took me a while.. but now its fine, not even encoded as 2 channel audio (although it doesnt matter to me).. thanks a lot.. and rep that 20Siccness.. im from 360 haha
Post by: impimpin206 on August 12, 2007, 07:51:00 AM
QUOTE(smokersx @ Aug 12 2007, 11:12 AM)
i finally got it goin.. i am completely new to everything this involves so it took me a while.. but now its fine, not even encoded as 2 channel audio (although it doesnt matter to me).. thanks a lot.. and rep that 20Siccness.. im from 360 haha
I am too now heh, in Vancouver.
Post by: y0y0 on August 12, 2007, 05:10:00 PM
u wrote:
"Once you have all of that software installed and functioning, here's what you need to do"
i downloaded the five softwares u gave... (the 2nd one is trial ver. as u know..) (AviSynth 2.5.7 final)
i installed: AviSynth 2.5, MKVtoolnix and TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress Trial Version. (there was nothing to install on WMV-HD_tutorial).
when i pressed on 'MKVextractGUI' it wrote me this error:
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/7011/untitledcu6.jpg
what should i do to fix it?
and than you wrote
"1. Extract the contents of the attached file. This tutorial assumes you have extracted the file to the root of your E: drive, so you'll be working from e:\wmv_working\ If this is not the case, you'll need to open the movie.avs file in Notepad and change the directory. Copy your source MKV file to your \wmv_working\ directory and rename it to movie.mkv""
what do you mean by 'attached file'? which file shold i extracted the E:\ ?? :|
thanks...
Post by: pdxit on August 12, 2007, 07:10:00 PM
Basically follow the directions except for installing the H. Splitter , CCCP or ffdshow as codecs.
Here is what i did...
(1) Remove H. Splitter
(2) Remove FFDShow
(3) Install K-lite 3.3.0 Full codec pack located at http://www.free-codecs.com/K_Lite_Codec_Pack_download.htm
** I did add x264 and VC-1 support in the settings for K-lite. I do not know if this setting actaully makes a difference.
Start over by inserting the "movie.avs" script and you should see the fimiliar Haali icons pop up and the movie will be read correctly.
This has been tested and works on XP SP2 and Vista Home Basic as well as Vista Ultimate.
Hope that helps everyone!
Pdxit
Oops!
Almost forgot.. I do believe you need to uncheck the media player classic option during setup and have VLC player installed in it's place.
Post by: impimpin206 on August 12, 2007, 09:06:00 PM
I just used ffdshow-tryout as my filter on a clean Vista install. I selected to NOT use the ffdshow AC3 / AAC decoder... installed AC3Filter and CoreAAC for those.
Either of these codec packs should work.
Also got subtitles working, and optimized encode times. So far it looks like the faster encode settings are giving equal quality output (at least perceived equal)
More on that later... still running some controlled testing.
Post by: jacanuck on August 13, 2007, 06:59:00 AM
QUOTE(y0y0 @ Aug 12 2007, 07:46 PM)
i didnt understand something...
u wrote:
"Once you have all of that software installed and functioning, here's what you need to do"
i downloaded the five softwares u gave... (the 2nd one is trial ver. as u know..) (AviSynth 2.5.7 final)
i installed: AviSynth 2.5, MKVtoolnix and TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress Trial Version. (there was nothing to install on WMV-HD_tutorial).
when i pressed on 'MKVextractGUI' it wrote me this error:
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/7011/untitledcu6.jpg
what should i do to fix it?
and than you wrote
"1. Extract the contents of the attached file. This tutorial assumes you have extracted the file to the root of your E: drive, so you'll be working from e:\wmv_working\ If this is not the case, you'll need to open the movie.avs file in Notepad and change the directory. Copy your source MKV file to your \wmv_working\ directory and rename it to movie.mkv""
what do you mean by 'attached file'? which file shold i extracted the E:\ ?? :|
thanks...
1) Extract mkvextractGUI to c:\program files\mkvtoolNix after you have installed MKVtoolNIX. Then when you run the extract GUI you won't get the error message from your screenshot.
2) The attached file is the WMV-HD_tutorial.rar file. Extract this to e:\ (if you have an e drive) or any other location. If you extract it to a new location, you'll need to edit the movie.avs file (open it in notepad and you'll understand why). You'll also need to keep track of where you put the files in case the tutorial references the e drive later.
Post by: impimpin206 on August 13, 2007, 08:17:00 AM
Now the collection of output files is currently over 445 MB RAR'd, so I haven't posted the link publicly. I've sent it to a couple of members here, so we'll hear from them. This sample clip was from Bourne Supremacy and is 5:40 in length. It's a high action clip.
Here are the encode times... insane!
These were encoded on an Intel Core 2 Duo e4400 @ 2.8 GHz with 2 GB @ 800 mhz with 7200 RPM hard drives. Encoding from one drive to the other.
For the little-to-no difference, what a huge gap in encode time.
http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bourneencodetimesua0.jpg
Oh, I forgot to clarify a couple things:
1) This tutorial was written using the setting 4th down, finished in 25:39, and this is what the downloaded profile will encode at. (This may be updated soon).
2) The setting in question is under the 'Other' tab of TMPGEnc.
Post by: gambit0608 on August 13, 2007, 09:15:00 AM
Thanks in advance!
Post by: impimpin206 on August 13, 2007, 09:29:00 AM
Post by: MonkeyBoyMorton on August 13, 2007, 01:43:00 PM
QUOTE(pdxit @ Aug 13 2007, 02:46 AM)
Ok folks, hopefully I have a solution to those that followed this tutorial only to eventually receive the script error.
Basically follow the directions except for installing the H. Splitter , CCCP or ffdshow as codecs.
Here is what i did...
(1) Remove H. Splitter
(2) Remove FFDShow
(3) Install K-lite 3.3.0 Full codec pack located at http://www.free-codecs.com/K_Lite_Codec_Pack_download.htm
** I did add x264 and VC-1 support in the settings for K-lite. I do not know if this setting actaully makes a difference.
Start over by inserting the "movie.avs" script and you should see the fimiliar Haali icons pop up and the movie will be read correctly.
This has been tested and works on XP SP2 and Vista Home Basic as well as Vista Ultimate.
Hope that helps everyone!
Pdxit
Oops!
Almost forgot.. I do believe you need to uncheck the media player classic option during setup and have VLC player installed in it's place.
Wow, thanks pdxit. Fixed my scripting failure after the analysis stage and got rid of the jerky motion problem.
Just did a test convert on 5 mins of a 1080p .mkv to a 720p .wmv and it converted perfectly. I'm now going to try a DVD5 and DVD9 version to see if quality is massively affected by going for DVD5 size.
For everyone having problems, this fix works a treat.
And many thanks to impimpin206, fantastic tutorial. Thanks for all the time and effort you've put in.
Cheers
Post by: impimpin206 on August 13, 2007, 01:50:00 PM
If you're worried you'll have some issue, you can export your config settings as a .reg file.
I've personally used reg files from one codec pack on a completely different ffdshow pack/installation... it all works the same.
Use codec packs at your own risk
You can find all the codec packs at http://www.free-codecs.com
You can find ffdshow-tryouts release at http://ffdshow-tryout.sourceforge.net
Over the last 3-4 days I've found this to give me optimal quality / encode times.
However Darren and myself are going to get together for some no holds barred testing, so we can put the codec pack questions to rest
Post by: pdxit on August 13, 2007, 04:28:00 PM
You know me..I just throw money at the problem
In this case every codec!
I just have no patience so i went full boat and called "all-in"... If anything goes wrong Vista will save me right?? RIGHT??!!
Post by: impimpin206 on August 13, 2007, 04:33:00 PM
QUOTE(pdxit @ Aug 14 2007, 12:04 AM)
HaHa!
You know me..I just throw money at the problem
In this case every codec!
I just have no patience so i went full boat and called "all-in"... If anything goes wrong Vista will save me right?? RIGHT??!!
Happy to report!
encode at 8500 rate , 2-pass VBR, 720p, 100% DVD9 size on my iMac 2.0 Core 2 Duo with 1.5 GB Ram and running Bootcamp (Vista Ultimate).
7hrs. give or take a handful of minutes. This was on the middle quality/performace settting and using the k-lite pack as mentioned.
*When i uses mwdia player classic I have an issue with subtitles showing up..which is why..well..I don't use it. I assume I just don;t knwo where the setting is.
Ugg..let us use >4gig .Mp4 on the Mac Journaled external drive and Vista M$!!
pdxit
When the video gets loaded, you will have some new icons in your system tray: ffdshow video (and audio) decoder icons, as well as Haali Media Splitter icons. Either of these can control subtitles.
For Haali, just right click and you'll see 'A:' 'V:' and 'S:' options. Obviously, S: is for subtitle source- just turn that off (if its on). If Haali isn't loading the subs, it's like ffdshow. Right click on the ffdshow Video icon, and then look for the subtitle option. Another way to do this is open the 'Configuration' from your Start Menu and un-check the subtitle filter there.
If neither of these subtitle filters are enabled, it's likely Media Player itself loading them. That's in one of the main menus, don't remember which.
Post by: jacanuck on August 14, 2007, 05:33:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 13 2007, 10:53 AM)
So this tutorial just got better. When I re-installed Vista, my encodes started going drastically slower. I eventually figured out I'd set the performance/quality balance to it's highest setting (quality). So I thought it'd be nice to see what kind of output each one gives, and at what speed!
Now the collection of output files is currently over 445 MB RAR'd, so I haven't posted the link publicly. I've sent it to a couple of members here, so we'll hear from them. This sample clip was from Bourne Supremacy and is 5:40 in length. It's a high action clip.
Here are the encode times... insane!
These were encoded on an Intel Core 2 Duo e4400 @ 2.8 GHz with 2 GB @ 800 mhz with 7200 RPM hard drives. Encoding from one drive to the other.
For the little-to-no difference, what a huge gap in encode time.
http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bourneencodetimesua0.jpg
Oh, I forgot to clarify a couple things:
1) This tutorial was written using the setting 4th down, finished in 25:39, and this is what the downloaded profile will encode at. (This may be updated soon).
2) The setting in question is under the 'Other' tab of TMPGEnc.
After watching the LQ and HQ video twice, it's hard for me to notice any difference. I did a blind test and guessed correctly which one was HQ, but honestly, it felt more like a guess than anything. The only noticeable difference to me, and I'm not even sure if you could call it noticeable, as it might just be me, but I thought the dark colors in the HQ looked more "black" if you will.
I'll have to think hard about which speed I want to encode at, considering LQ takes only 10-15% of the time that HQ takes to encode.
Post by: impimpin206 on August 14, 2007, 09:30:00 AM
QUOTE(jacanuck @ Aug 14 2007, 01:09 PM)
After watching the LQ and HQ video twice, it's hard for me to notice any difference. I did a blind test and guessed correctly which one was HQ, but honestly, it felt more like a guess than anything. The only noticeable difference to me, and I'm not even sure if you could call it noticeable, as it might just be me, but I thought the dark colors in the HQ looked more "black" if you will.
I'll have to think hard about which speed I want to encode at, considering LQ takes only 10-15% of the time that HQ takes to encode.
Yeah it seems the 4th of 5 settings (medium-high quality) is the sweet spot in terms of quality:speed. Its way faster than the highest setting, and not terribly slower than the lowest setting. But yeah, the LQ seems to give sweet output with blazing speeds. I love it.
Post by: piggymouth on August 15, 2007, 04:45:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 1 2007, 09:41 AM)
Also, I didn't have to do anything special with DTS tracks. I just loaded the video file straight up and used the default audio. Surround came just fine.
So what your saying is just load the movie part into Tmpenc Xpress and don't bother touching the audio tab at all...? Am I understanding you correctly..? Then there wouldn't be any reason to demux the audio track first if using a DTS track. I would like to keep the original DTS track if possible instead of turning it into a ac3 track.
Another thing I found was my first encode was DD 2ch 384 I didn't even think about checking the audio setting before hitting encode so basically it encoded it DD 5.1ch. The end result was I did not have surround sound threw my rear channel speakers. To fix this I matched the source audio with the same settings in Tmpenc Xpress and ran a sample threw. Now I have surround on the rear speakers.
I'm just posting this in case anyone else may be wondering. If it has been discussed I apologize.
Post by: impimpin206 on August 15, 2007, 12:20:00 PM
Post by: piggymouth on August 15, 2007, 01:37:00 PM
If I'm going to go threw 16hrs plus of encoding time I want to be able to have surround sound. I can only assume that by selecting the 5.1ch option that it was unable to incorporate all of the channels to make it work in 5.1 I don't know that much about audio, only what I hear. I'm going to try a sample clip with DTS
audio to pass it threw as you suggested. It should work. It did for you.
Thanks for writing the guide and showing us how to do it. I was dragging heals with programs like Videora before I came across your guide. Simple & easy to do, just wish I had a more powerful computer but the time spent will be worth it.
Videora was a nice program but with all the settings it can not maintain the proper aspect ratio of the video.
This was bothersome to me but may not bother others. I perfer to have black bars where needed.
I did have a question. Will it do any good to up the size (bitrate) of a x264 stream from the original size..?
For example I have a 4.7GB size x264 stream will putting it on a 8GB DVD in wmv make any difference in quality..?
I don't want to go threw the hassle of extra bitrate and size if it won't make any noticable difference.
I don't think it will but wanted to know what others think.
Post by: impimpin206 on August 15, 2007, 04:09:00 PM
cheers
Post by: piggymouth on August 15, 2007, 05:10:00 PM
I was thinking of putting everything on DVD9. Now with what you said I think I'll double check
the bitrate and save myself encoding time.
Can you post what settings you used for the DTS track in Tmpenc Xpress..?
I'm having a problem passing the sound threw.
The clip will encode but I don't get any audio and I have the AC3 filter loaded on my computer.
The original x264 clip plays fine too so it must be something with one of the settings in Tempenc Express.
Thanks.
Post by: pdxit on August 15, 2007, 10:56:00 PM
However..I am going to stick with the high quality setting. There was a significance difference in small noise that i could see in the LQ clip. For most people this would not bother them but it was enough for me to be picky about it.
I was testing on a 42". usually when a movie is lesser in quality i see a slightly duller black and snow when up close (say 5ft?).
So it's a win win. The bigger your tv the more I recommend going HQ..cause why not? If your sitting around 37" and lower I bet you wouldn't mind unless you usually sit close.
Good job!
I am currently encoding a 1080p, full 100%, DVD9 at highest quality and I am looking at about 17-19 hours. Yikes!
I decided some just need to be masterpieces
Pdxit
Post by: zippy101 on August 17, 2007, 02:46:00 AM
Post by: TralerPrkTrash on August 17, 2007, 11:47:00 PM
Post by: Majestic06 on August 18, 2007, 01:01:00 AM
Is the 720p version then smaller in filesize? I only have an hd-ready TV, not a full hd. And probably the 360 will handle 720p files better than 1080p?
Post by: jacanuck on August 18, 2007, 05:54:00 AM
QUOTE(TralerPrkTrash @ Aug 18 2007, 02:23 AM)
any word on the stuttering/jitter issues? I have the same probs. First 5 mins are stuttered as hell then it smoothes out. Has to be a TMPEG issue...
So far they have all been related to decoder settings. (ffdshow decoder options). I couldn't tell you which specific settings though, but impimpin206 might be able to.
Post by: arthurbear on August 18, 2007, 10:52:00 AM
Is this the way to do this from an avi file?I was guessing i use my converter program to up the res of the dvd rip to 1280 x 720 then run it through this process to make a wmv hd file.is this right or am i:-
A:Wasting my time,theres a quicker way/that wont work
or
B:Sounds like a plan give it a go.
Cheers peeps
Post by: jacanuck on August 18, 2007, 12:15:00 PM
QUOTE(arthurbear @ Aug 18 2007, 01:28 PM)
Hi I have got a dvd rip of a film and want to make it into a wmv hd file.I have a program called river past and i am planning on converting my avi to mkv then use this guide to make a wmv hd.
Is this the way to do this from an avi file?I was guessing i use my converter program to up the res of the dvd rip to 1280 x 720 then run it through this process to make a wmv hd file.is this right or am i:-
A:Wasting my time,theres a quicker way/that wont work
or
B:Sounds like a plan give it a go.
Cheers peeps
I don't see why you have to convert your file from .avi to .mkv prior to converting it to .wmv
You can use the method in this tutorial with any video source file. Your avi most likely has 2 channel audio, so skip the whole part about mkvtoolextractGUI. Just load the avi into tmpg express, go to format, chose the template from the tutorial, enter your desired resolutions and convert.
Post by: impimpin206 on August 18, 2007, 02:37:00 PM
QUOTE(jacanuck @ Aug 18 2007, 07:51 PM)
I don't see why you have to convert your file from .avi to .mkv prior to converting it to .wmv
You can use the method in this tutorial with any video source file. Your avi most likely has 2 channel audio, so skip the whole part about mkvtoolextractGUI. Just load the avi into tmpg express, go to format, chose the template from the tutorial, enter your desired resolutions and convert.
Lots of AVI's have AC3 dolby audio tracks. If it shows up as 2 channel audio in your encoder, but you know its 5.1 audio, you'll want to extract the audio with Virtualdub.
Post by: tomrip on August 19, 2007, 04:13:00 AM
Post by: Z3rO` on August 19, 2007, 06:48:00 AM
QUOTE(jacanuck @ Aug 18 2007, 02:30 PM)
So far they have all been related to decoder settings. (ffdshow decoder options). I couldn't tell you which specific settings though, but impimpin206 might be able to.
That would be great. I'm having stuttering issues too, when loading the mkv directly. When using the avs script I can only do cbr, since tmpgenc crashes at 50% when doing vbr.
Post by: jacanuck on August 19, 2007, 08:30:00 AM
QUOTE(Z3rO` @ Aug 19 2007, 09:24 AM)
That would be great. I'm having stuttering issues too, when loading the mkv directly. When using the avs script I can only do cbr, since tmpgenc crashes at 50% when doing vbr.
That problem has been rectified (the 50% thing) in this thread already by specifying the framecount in the avs script (that way TMPG knows it is at the end of the movie and starts the 2nd pass (the 50% barrier)
DirectShowSource ("E:\path_to\movie.mkv", fps=23.976, framecount=155342)
LanczosResize(1280, 528)
Use that as your avs script and retry. (only change the path, moviename, fps, framecount, and resolution to match your file).
On a side note, Immpimpin showed me that fix. He may be interested in knowing that I encoded a 720p file last night only specifying the path and movie name as the directshowsoure, and erasing the rest (as originaly suggested in the tutorial). Those ffdshow decoder settings seem to make a difference with the 50% bug too. We still don't have a list of specific setting changes for ffdshow, soon to come.
Post by: TralerPrkTrash on August 19, 2007, 09:46:00 AM
Post by: arthurbear on August 19, 2007, 10:48:00 AM
The conversion seemed to go fine and after 1 hour of converting i ended up with wmv hd file of the video
I burnt this to a data disc and played it back on my xbox,The thing was that the quality was no better than when i make a dvdrip intovobs and burn them to a normal dvd and play them back on my xbox,plus when playing back via the data disc the sound was cutting out then starting again.maybe because i used acdr at 24 speed.
But the long and all of it.Should i notice an improvement in quality if working from a normal dvd rip ( avi )
or should i expect no change in quality unless the original source is of a hd dvd or blu ray.
Thanks people
Post by: impimpin206 on August 19, 2007, 11:25:00 AM
QUOTE(TralerPrkTrash @ Aug 19 2007, 05:22 PM)
Tried a bunch of ways to get the wmv to not stutter yesterday but was not successful. In the end I had to mux to mpeg and then use TMPEG to encode to the WMV container. No more stuttering. There has to be a better way to load the mkv and not have it stutter.
Have you un-installed all codec packs? I just did a clean installation of Windows Vista and installed the following (with success)
- ffdshow-tryouts @ http://ffdshow-tryout.sourceforge.net
- AC3Filter (optional, if you use this do NOT install AC3 support from ffdshow-tryouts)
- Avisynth 2.5
- TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0 ver 4.2.3.193 (probably isn't latest, but it's what I had backed up.)
If you're still getting choppiness after installing the above, I suggest a clean Windows install. If that's not feasible for you, sorry. If the above doesn't work on a clean Windows install, I'd look at your hard drive performance.
Cheers
QUOTE(arthurbear @ Aug 19 2007, 06:24 PM)
I have just tried the program to try and make a dvd rip avi into wmv hd.The file was a dvd rip of a music video.
The conversion seemed to go fine and after 1 hour of converting i ended up with wmv hd file of the video
I burnt this to a data disc and played it back on my xbox,The thing was that the quality was no better than when i make a dvdrip intovobs and burn them to a normal dvd and play them back on my xbox,plus when playing back via the data disc the sound was cutting out then starting again.maybe because i used acdr at 24 speed.
But the long and all of it.Should i notice an improvement in quality if working from a normal dvd rip ( avi )
or should i expect no change in quality unless the original source is of a hd dvd or blu ray.
Thanks people
The quality is only going to be as good as your original source. With that said, loss is minimal. And if you were to encode from a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD source directly, skipping the x264 conversion, there would be even less loss. For regular DVD, or other standard definition sources, I don't think you need the wmv-hd advanced profile. I haven't tried the other profiles myself, but I will do a music video DVD backup tonight and find out the optimal settings for that. It'll definitely be included in the forthcoming tutorial.
Cheers.
Post by: Z3rO` on August 19, 2007, 02:52:00 PM
QUOTE(jacanuck @ Aug 19 2007, 05:06 PM)
That problem has been rectified (the 50% thing) in this thread already by specifying the framecount in the avs script (that way TMPG knows it is at the end of the movie and starts the 2nd pass (the 50% barrier)
DirectShowSource ("E:\path_to\movie.mkv", fps=23.976, framecount=155342)
LanczosResize(1280, 528)
Use that as your avs script and retry. (only change the path, moviename, fps, framecount, and resolution to match your file).
On a side note, Immpimpin showed me that fix. He may be interested in knowing that I encoded a 720p file last night only specifying the path and movie name as the directshowsoure, and erasing the rest (as originaly suggested in the tutorial). Those ffdshow decoder settings seem to make a difference with the 50% bug too. We still don't have a list of specific setting changes for ffdshow, soon to come.
Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately it didn't help. Tmpgenc just stopped at 50% throwing out an error. The silly thing is, that tmpgenc always adds one extra frame. E.g. if I enter framecount=167652 in my AVS script then tmpgenc says "encoding 1/167653". It displays the correct frames in the source windows though.
[edit] I'm trying to cut some of the last frames. Perhaps this might help. I'll report back when I'm finished with the encoding (ETA 10 Hours) [/edit]
Post by: impimpin206 on August 19, 2007, 03:32:00 PM
QUOTE(Z3rO` @ Aug 19 2007, 02:28 PM)
Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately it didn't help. Tmpgenc just stopped at 50% throwing out an error. The silly thing is, that tmpgenc always adds one extra frame. E.g. if I enter framecount=167652 in my AVS script then tmpgenc says "encoding 1/167653". It displays the correct frames in the source windows though.
[edit] I'm trying to cut some of the last frames. Perhaps this might help. I'll report back when I'm finished with the encoding (ETA 10 Hours) [/edit]
Read my post above regarding codecs. This is the more likely culprit. If this doesn't resolve it, I have a .reg configuration file for ffdshow that could solve it (it did for others)
Post by: jacanuck on August 19, 2007, 03:51:00 PM
Post by: Z3rO` on August 19, 2007, 09:39:00 PM
I think Tmpgenc calculates a wrong frame count, adding a few extra frames which aren't there originally. This causes the second pass to fail. I cutted those "phantom frames", resulting in Tmpgenc going past the 50% mark.Thanks for your efforts. Great Tutorial.
Post by: impimpin206 on August 19, 2007, 10:30:00 PM
Cheers
Post by: jacanuck on August 20, 2007, 05:57:00 AM
I'll re download the source and attempt the encode again using the default avs script, but I believe the settings in ffdshow rectified TMPG getting the framecount wrong.
Post by: pdxit on August 20, 2007, 08:36:00 AM
I don't know if this is the issue your having but I wanted to throw my two cents in.
A while back, i was using a program called "Visualhub" on my Mac for video conversion. I had the jiter problem in the beginning that would smooth out when the main feature would start.
I remember looking in the forums there and finding an explanation of this. Apprently sometimes(and these are not my words) the DVD main feature is encoded at a different framerate than the title? This isn't always the case I guess but when you set a specific frame rate or the program grabs the default framerate from the movie the title set may be screwed up and jitter.
I'm pretty sure they chalked it up to security to fool programs and basically piss you off on encodes
Anyways..I do believe they had a slight soution but I will need to find it again. You may want to check that out.
Adios!
Pdxit
Post by: arthurbear on August 20, 2007, 10:32:00 AM
How do i get the movie.avs thing??Please help really want to try this
Post by: impimpin206 on August 20, 2007, 10:56:00 AM
QUOTE(pdxit @ Aug 20 2007, 08:12 AM)
Hey all..
I don't know if this is the issue your having but I wanted to throw my two cents in.
A while back, i was using a program called "Visualhub" on my Mac for video conversion. I had the jiter problem in the beginning that would smooth out when the main feature would start.
I remember looking in the forums there and finding an explanation of this. Apprently sometimes(and these are not my words) the DVD main feature is encoded at a different framerate than the title? This isn't always the case I guess but when you set a specific frame rate or the program grabs the default framerate from the movie the title set may be screwed up and jitter.
I'm pretty sure they chalked it up to security to fool programs and basically piss you off on encodes
Anyways..I do believe they had a slight soution but I will need to find it again. You may want to check that out.
Adios!
Pdxit
Well I'll be damned! Now I get to add segmenting, just so opening credits roll right. /sigh. I'm too sick for this. /cough
Post by: arthurbear on August 20, 2007, 11:03:00 AM
Post by: arthurbear on August 20, 2007, 11:39:00 AM
I have got myself up and running.Can see the video output now and its converting.But 17hours oh my god.
Guess i will leave it running over night and while at work tomorrow.I will be back after that to let you all know how i have done.
Just one thing though,i 'm wanting to burn this back to a dvd data disc.Please tell me it will run smoothly?Thanks people and sorry again impimpin206 for filling your tutorial with pointless questions
Post by: Forest Fan on August 20, 2007, 01:28:00 PM
I've spent the last two days playing around with this and had a few issues along the way but I've now got it working perfectly.
I first tried it without Avisynth by just loading the mkv file but found it to be choppy.
I then installed Avisynth which resolved the choppy playback issue but then gave me a major issue, the encode was upside down. I thought at first it might just be the preview that was inverted so I let it run, but after 8 hours I was serverly disappointed to find the finished wmv upside down.
I did a bit of googling and found a solution. Add the following line to the bottom of the movie.avs script:
FlipVertical()
I don't believe it's been mentioned before in this thread so I thought I'd mention it incase anyone else encounters the same issue. I believe the issue has something to do with the way my codecs are set-up and ffdshow. I didn't want to mess about with my codecs as I didn't want to risk breaking my MC funtionality so I'm happy to settle with the above solution rather than trying to fix my codecs.
Regards
Post by: impimpin206 on August 20, 2007, 01:57:00 PM
QUOTE(Forest Fan @ Aug 20 2007, 01:04 PM)
Hi All,
I've spent the last two days playing around with this and had a few issues along the way but I've now got it working perfectly.
I first tried it without Avisynth by just loading the mkv file but found it to be choppy.
I then installed Avisynth which resolved the choppy playback issue but then gave me a major issue, the encode was upside down. I thought at first it might just be the preview that was inverted so I let it run, but after 8 hours I was serverly disappointed to find the finished wmv upside down.
I did a bit of googling and found a solution. Add the following line to the bottom of the movie.avs script:
FlipVertical()
I don't believe it's been mentioned before in this thread so I thought I'd mention it incase anyone else encounters the same issue. I believe the issue has something to do with the way my codecs are set-up and ffdshow. I didn't want to mess about with my codecs as I didn't want to risk breaking my MC funtionality so I'm happy to settle with the above solution rather than trying to fix my codecs.
Regards
Yeah I've had that issue in the past with Avisynth. I definitely recommend you switch to the ffdshow-tryouts, but if you're getting good quality encodes at decent speeds then you're in good shape
Thanks for the feedback everyone, the real unique issues are starting to surface (and get resolved!) and a new tutorial is coming soon. I've been really sick for about a week, so I'm slow
Post by: pdxit on August 21, 2007, 09:41:00 AM
3.3.5 - has an update to ffdshow codec.
pdxit
Oh yeah.. that would be a 720p encode with an imac 2.0 Core 2 Duo in boot camp.
Post by: arthurbear on August 21, 2007, 01:21:00 PM
I have encoded a sample of wildhogs ( around 2 mins ) and put the example onto a pro duo 2gb stick and played back through my xbox and it run perfect
tried to play the same footage on my pc and it was as jerky as hell
My quick question is i'm going for a full convert tonight.Would the film run ok as a dvd data disc or am i better of using an external har drive
Just asking as i'm starting to get myself a collection of blu ray/hd dvd films and want to play them on my xbox(steaming is out of the question)Cheers
pps make sure you have windows media player 11 installed to get the correct setup for 2 pass video 9
and audio codec 10
Post by: jacanuck on August 21, 2007, 02:12:00 PM
QUOTE(arthurbear @ Aug 21 2007, 03:57 PM)
Just a quick question.
I have encoded a sample of wildhogs ( around 2 mins ) and put the example onto a pro duo 2gb stick and played back through my xbox and it run perfect
tried to play the same footage on my pc and it was as jerky as hell
My quick question is i'm going for a full convert tonight.Would the film run ok as a dvd data disc or am i better of using an external har drive
Just asking as i'm starting to get myself a collection of blu ray/hd dvd films and want to play them on my xbox(steaming is out of the question)Cheers
pps make sure you have windows media player 11 installed to get the correct setup for 2 pass video 9
and audio codec 10
A DVD data disc with a wmv-hd file burned to it should play fine in your xbox 360.
The files also play fine when streamed over a network (100mbit), and play pretty well over wireless (54mbit, with a bit of skipping stuttering), I wouldn't try anything less than that though. Old wireless networks (802.11b) will most likely be too slow.
Post by: impimpin206 on August 22, 2007, 03:51:00 PM
So lazy.
Post by: Silverlink on August 22, 2007, 05:20:00 PM
When the video is reencoded to HDWMV then the output gives out a sort of flash.
you see a second and then a flash some times from a half a second to a full 5 seconds.
Thnx 4 the help.
Silverlink
//Edit
Here is a sample video this is a low quality encoding of the high def version but you will get the picture
http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=6437nrt
//end edit
Post by: xtrminatr on August 22, 2007, 08:25:00 PM
And what's the way to trim this down to about a 7 hour conversion? For a 1 minute 30 second clip it took 30 minutes for me... Trying to convert Disturbia 720p x264
Post by: jacanuck on August 23, 2007, 05:14:00 AM
QUOTE(xtrminatr @ Aug 22 2007, 11:01 PM)
Has anyone tried to just use http://www.riverpast.com/en/support/tutorials/convert/mkv/wmv.php program? It seems like it can do what this tutorial is doing...
And what's the way to trim this down to about a 7 hour conversion? For a 1 minute 30 second clip it took 30 minutes for me... Trying to convert Disturbia 720p x264
Adjusting the quality setting in TMPG formatting options (as previously mentioned in this thread) drastically reduces the encode time. There are 5 options, by default with the template in this tutorial, it is on the 4th option (2nd best). The 1st option for example, encodes in 20% of the time it takes the 5th option.
Disturbia 720p took my athlon 64 x2 4200+ and 3Gb of ram, approx 12 hours on the 4th setting.
Post by: arthurbear on August 23, 2007, 10:57:00 AM
Just to state after a while of getting all the correct settings and codecs i have made my first wmv hd with 5.1 sound
The guide works perfectly thanks impimpin206.In a way to celebrate this achivement i want to share with my fellow xbox's
I am starting a competetion as of 6.30 tonight to finish at 6.30 tomorrow night (24/08/2007 )
This open to UK residents only and i offer the person to get the closest time on how long it took the movie to convert ( i have taken a screen print to prove it )I will send the winner a copy of the film i have translated into wmv hd on a data disc ready to watch on your xbox ( the film is wildhogs )
Please only PM me your guess so it doesnt fill this forum with crap.Answers not sent via PM and listed on this forum will not be taken as a guess.Thanks
To give a clue on encoding time my pc is an old dog.Its running an AMD athlon 1700 cpu with 512ram.
Good luck folks and use this guide,it works like a charm
Post by: impimpin206 on August 23, 2007, 02:20:00 PM
Post by: Silverlink on August 23, 2007, 02:23:00 PM
Did you get the chance to look at my problem (one page back) help would be appriciated.
greetz silverlink
Post by: arthurbear on August 23, 2007, 02:25:00 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on August 23, 2007, 04:36:00 PM
QUOTE(Silverlink @ Aug 22 2007, 04:56 PM)
Hey great tutorial thnx 4 this but i have only one little snag.
When the video is reencoded to HDWMV then the output gives out a sort of flash.
you see a second and then a flash some times from a half a second to a full 5 seconds.
Thnx 4 the help.
Silverlink
//Edit
Here is a sample video this is a low quality encoding of the high def version but you will get the picture
http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=6437nrt
//end edit
That's a very strange situation there. I recommend you remove all of codecs / packs and re-install ffdshow-tryouts. This should fix the issue.
Post by: Z3rO` on August 24, 2007, 10:08:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 20 2007, 07:06 AM)
Well that complicates things. So you're saying the encode status shows the frame count as actual +1, and the clip details window shows the actual? If that's a consistent symptom, I'll have to add this to the revision. Thanks for your efforts
Cheers
Yes, that exactly describes it. I still have to check if this happens with other movies too.
Another thing that I noticed is, that tmpgenc switches surround channels when using the avs as audio source. E.g. voice comes out of the front right speaker instead of the center.
I extracted the audio from the mkv and encoded it on its own. That helped. No more switched audio chans.
Greets
Z3rO
Post by: flames12345 on August 24, 2007, 11:42:00 PM
Post by: jacanuck on August 25, 2007, 06:06:00 AM
QUOTE(Z3rO` @ Aug 24 2007, 12:44 PM)
Yes, that exactly describes it. I still have to check if this happens with other movies too.
Another thing that I noticed is, that tmpgenc switches surround channels when using the avs as audio source. E.g. voice comes out of the front right speaker instead of the center.
I extracted the audio from the mkv and encoded it on its own. That helped. No more switched audio chans.
Greets
Z3rO
I just confirmed this bug with 2 of my movie clips. Good ears, I totally missed it. I think extracting the audio should be a mandatory step in the tutorial unless we can find whichever setting is causing center to swap with right.
Post by: ricflairandy on August 25, 2007, 06:12:00 AM
Tmpgenc has always been one of the slower ones.
Plus, whats the quality loss like on these?
Post by: impimpin206 on August 25, 2007, 10:35:00 AM
Post by: ricflairandy on August 25, 2007, 02:02:00 PM
My comp isnt too bad, takes abuot 4 hours. The reason i asked is because i used to find cce far better for speed and quality than tmpgenc a few years ago when doing dvds.
Also, this didnt work for me with the avs script, file came out as all black.
Howeveri teied it with the mkv directly and it worked fine by the looks of it
Post by: ricflairandy on August 25, 2007, 02:56:00 PM
Post by: jacanuck on August 25, 2007, 03:40:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 25 2007, 01:11 PM)
You can vary the speed of encoding with 5 various quality:performance settings... you can get quicker performance with that. Or, you could just get a machine that's worth a damn? Furthermore, TMPGEnc is a fantastic encoder. It gives better image quality and better speeds than other Windows media encoders. You shouldn't be posting on this thread.
Not to be an ass, but the problems you are having (avs not working, .mkv as a source causing choppy or out of sync video) have been completely solved within the posts of this thread. Take the time to read it, post for post, from beginning to end, and you will find out why the avs script isn't loading in TMPG, and why using the avs (once you get it working) will solve the choppy out of sync playback.
Jeesh
Post by: ricflairandy on August 25, 2007, 05:32:00 PM
Post by: ricflairandy on August 25, 2007, 06:43:00 PM
Now when i try to open the file in tmpgenc it just sits there , alot of harddisk activity but nothing ever happens, before it loaded the video within a few seconds.
Post by: thetman on August 25, 2007, 06:58:00 PM
btw anyone know of a good utility to go from DTS to AC3?
Post by: Craven Moorehead on August 25, 2007, 07:02:00 PM
Post by: SpacemanBob on August 26, 2007, 02:29:00 PM
Post by: jacanuck on August 26, 2007, 03:28:00 PM
QUOTE(SpacemanBob @ Aug 26 2007, 05:05 PM)
When I'm trying to demux the .mkv file I get a .h264 file, 1 .ac3 file and 2 .srt files and I understand that the .srts are subs but I don't get how I'm going to convert the .h264 to .wmv or .avs so can anybody please help me? BTW my original file is 1080p.
Make sure when you're using mkvextractGUI that you are only selecting the audio (AC3 in your case) and clicking "extract".
Post by: Craven Moorehead on August 26, 2007, 07:51:00 PM
Post by: SpacemanBob on August 27, 2007, 07:22:00 AM
Post by: impimpin206 on August 27, 2007, 07:57:00 AM
QUOTE(SpacemanBob @ Aug 27 2007, 06:58 AM)
Okay so now I've got another problem.. I get everything going and it seems to be working out great but at 50% it stops and I get a weird error message. Can anyone help me?
Could be caused by a few things. I recommend you remove your existing codecs, then install ffdshow-tryouts. See if that fixes the problem. If not, try making your AVS file like this (fix framecount and resolution):
DirectShowSource ("E:\path_to\movie.mkv", fps=23.976, framecount=155342)
LanczosResize(1280, 528)
If you've followed both of these steps and are still having it crash at 50%, let me know. I can send you a ffdshow configuration script that should fix it.
Post by: SpacemanBob on August 27, 2007, 08:59:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 27 2007, 03:33 PM)
Could be caused by a few things. I recommend you remove your existing codecs, then install ffdshow-tryouts. See if that fixes the problem. If not, try making your AVS file like this (fix framecount and resolution):
DirectShowSource ("E:\path_to\movie.mkv", fps=23.976, framecount=155342)
LanczosResize(1280, 528)
If you've followed both of these steps and are still having it crash at 50%, let me know. I can send you a ffdshow configuration script that should fix it.
I did as you said and removed all my codecs and then got the ffdshow but then I couldn't get the .avs file into TMPGEnc so I figured you didn't mean AviSynth so I installed that again and now I can load the file into TMPEnc but it sais it's "240 frames, 24 FPS, 10 s 0, 1452x366" and the preview shows some red text.
Post by: impimpin206 on August 27, 2007, 09:56:00 AM
Post by: SpacemanBob on August 27, 2007, 10:15:00 AM
DirectShowSource: Could not open as video or audio.
Video returned: "DirectShowSource: couldn't open file E:\Downloads\TMNT\TMNT.2007.1080p.HDDVD.x264-hV.mkv: The requested class couldn't be received from ClassFactory"
Audio returned: "DirectShowSource: couldn't open file E:\Downloads\TMNT\TMNT.2007.1080p.HDDVD.x264-hV.mkv: The requested class couldn't be received from ClassFactory"
(C:\Documents and Settings\xxxxxx\My documents\wmv_working\movie.avs, line 1)
(translated from swedish)
So I guess it's that I don't have a codec for .mkv?
Post by: impimpin206 on August 27, 2007, 10:37:00 AM
Post by: SpacemanBob on August 27, 2007, 10:40:00 AM
Update: One step closer
But now I get a message about only the audio can be opened from movie.avs..
Post by: arthurbear on August 27, 2007, 10:54:00 AM
The film plays on my pc but seems to be out of lipsync,but my hd source didnt play well on my pc but still worked fine once i had converted it to wmv hd.
So is this because it has dts sound?can i make a wmv hd from this source.Thanks in advance
Post by: impimpin206 on August 27, 2007, 11:31:00 AM
QUOTE(SpacemanBob @ Aug 27 2007, 10:16 AM)
I installed ffdshow-tryouts but I'll try Haali out now
Update: One step closer
But now I get a message about only the audio can be opened from movie.avs..That's fine, load up the demuxed AC3 file directly into the encoder. Should work just fine. Re-read the tutorial on the first page and take it step by step, make sure you don't skip any.
QUOTE(arthurbear @ Aug 27 2007, 10:30 AM)
Hi i have converted a mkv with ac3 sound film fine.and all worked great on my xbox 360.Just got a new source which is from a blu ray disc.the sound is DTS.I have tried to open the mkv or the avs script file in tmpg and i get two or three of the little white Halli icons and then tmpg errors and states theses been a problem.
The film plays on my pc but seems to be out of lipsync,but my hd source didnt play well on my pc but still worked fine once i had converted it to wmv hd.
So is this because it has dts sound?can i make a wmv hd from this source.Thanks in advance
I will research dealing with DTS sources later. From my previous experience, I was able to do it... but almost everything I deal with is AC3 so I'm not well versed with DTS. I'd say re-install your codec pack with DTS support, as this is likely the issue. But I'll look into it.
Post by: SpacemanBob on August 27, 2007, 12:12:00 PM
"Couldn't open the video part of movie.avs
Only the audio part can be opened."
So it's the video that's not opening correctly.
Post by: impimpin206 on August 27, 2007, 12:48:00 PM
Post by: jacanuck on August 27, 2007, 01:38:00 PM
QUOTE(SpacemanBob @ Aug 27 2007, 02:48 PM)
No. It's the video part that can't be opened. The message sais :
"Couldn't open the video part of movie.avs
Only the audio part can be opened."
So it's the video that's not opening correctly.
You could be missing xvid, without it, you cannot open avs scripts in TMPG.
This is identical to the problems on the early pages of this thread, you need xvid, ffdshow (tryouts?), halli, avisynth, tmpg, and mkvextractgui
Post by: SpacemanBob on August 27, 2007, 03:02:00 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on August 27, 2007, 03:09:00 PM
QUOTE(SpacemanBob @ Aug 27 2007, 02:38 PM)
Okay now I've uninstalled all the codecs and then installed them in the order that impimpin wrote and then tried but that didn't work so I installed Xvid to and it worked so now I'm encoding and hoping it won't stop on 50% again.
Cut a small sample file, then encode that first. If it goes past 50%, it will do the same thing on a full encode. This way if it fails, you won't waste hours just getting to the 50% mark.
Post by: SpacemanBob on August 27, 2007, 03:51:00 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on August 27, 2007, 05:06:00 PM
I'm not sure how I fixed the other error. I made a new encode setting profile and then it stopped, so it could have been some issue saved in the settings profile. It's a strange one.
It's really strange. Anyway I believe changing your video pre-cache will solve it, but let me know if that doesn't fix it.
Post by: ricflairandy on August 28, 2007, 03:50:00 AM
I have a e6300 core2duo with 1gb ram
Over the weekend i tried converting an x264 mkv to wmv following the guide. Took around 4 hours or so to do. but the resulting file was just black for 1 and a half hours.
Did again with just the mkv, Burnt wmv to a dvdr and tried to play it in the xbox. It played at about half the speed , very juttery.When playing on the pc it seemed fine, Howver id id notice on fast moving scens that there was a blockyness or jaggyness on parts of the movie.
So i tried a reencode again this time using the best quality settings and quality over speed settings. Took around the same time (4-5 hours) but still wouldnt play on the 360 properly (quality was fine this time, no jaggies).
After that i tried removing all of my codecs and reinstalling and eventually got so fed up that i reinstalled xp pro from scratch. Installed the lastest tmpgenc xpress 4.3, avisynth 2.5, and encode360 and the codecs that come with it. Left the movie again encoding before i left for work this morning, using the avs as in the guide. Says it will take 4 hours, and ive just had a look and its about 70 percent thorugh and seems to be ok. Tonight i should be able to check if it is encoded ok, but if i have the same slow playback i havent got a clue what i should try.
Any ideas, if anyone can make sense of this?
Post by: jacanuck on August 28, 2007, 04:57:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 27 2007, 07:42 PM)
I had that error the other day doing a full HD-DVD disc conversion. That is a memory error I'm pretty sure. It was either memory, or "access denied"- I got both sparatically. I believe it's the memory code you've got there. Go to TMPGEnc preferences, then the multi-thread settings. What do you have for video pre-cache? I had to turn mine from 1024 MB down to 128 MB and that solved it. It's strange though, because I didn't have the problem when doing regular conversions as outlined in this guide. I had the error doing, like I said, full 15 GB HD-DVD EVO files... so its a bit of a different ballgame. Also, what quality/performance setting are you on? The issue seemed to come up mostly for me when I had it on the 5th setting.
I'm not sure how I fixed the other error. I made a new encode setting profile and then it stopped, so it could have been some issue saved in the settings profile. It's a strange one.
It's really strange. Anyway I believe changing your video pre-cache will solve it, but let me know if that doesn't fix it.
The 50% stoppage error that you helped me fix, was solved using your ffdshow settings rar file. There are specific ffdshow settings (subtitles, etc) that cause it to die around the end of pass 1.
Post by: ricflairandy on August 28, 2007, 01:39:00 PM
Any ideas guys?
Post by: ricflairandy on August 29, 2007, 01:53:00 AM
Post by: jkoz on August 30, 2007, 07:03:00 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on August 30, 2007, 07:46:00 PM
QUOTE(jkoz @ Aug 30 2007, 06:39 PM)
Hey, stellar guide. I was wondering if you had any tips for 1080p MKV to WMV conversion, or if anything in the guide really needs to be changed for the different resolution conversion? Thanks bud!
You'll want to change the resolution and also set a higher bitrate and make it a DVD9 file size. If you don't intend to burn, you don't need to go the full size. But yeah, open the bitrate calculator and set your target file size to 8400. This should output a file about 8475, just under a dual layer disc max size. If you're going to store these files on a hard drive and never intend to burn them, you could probably get away with like a 6500-7000 MB target output and maintain quality.
Cheers
Post by: jkoz on August 30, 2007, 07:57:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Aug 30 2007, 10:22 PM)
You'll want to change the resolution and also set a higher bitrate and make it a DVD9 file size. If you don't intend to burn, you don't need to go the full size. But yeah, open the bitrate calculator and set your target file size to 8400. This should output a file about 8475, just under a dual layer disc max size. If you're going to store these files on a hard drive and never intend to burn them, you could probably get away with like a 6500-7000 MB target output and maintain quality.
Cheers
Yeah, I was planning on burning them to DVD9. I prefer that rather than streaming, cause knowing my network I'd never get through a movie. Thanks man!
And, was just wondering if you know from experience how long an encode of that magnitude would take opposed to the 720p? It doesn't really matter much, just would like to know what I should be expecting. I've done a couple of 720p encodes and it took about 22 hours, but I was stupid and the source MKVs were on a DVD-R. I've got a 3.2ghz P4, 2gb SDRAM. The rig's about two years old but still performs awesomely.
Post by: impimpin206 on August 30, 2007, 08:48:00 PM
QUOTE(jkoz @ Aug 30 2007, 07:33 PM)
Yeah, I was planning on burning them to DVD9. I prefer that rather than streaming, cause knowing my network I'd never get through a movie. Thanks man!
And, was just wondering if you know from experience how long an encode of that magnitude would take opposed to the 720p? It doesn't really matter much, just would like to know what I should be expecting. I've done a couple of 720p encodes and it took about 22 hours, but I was stupid and the source MKVs were on a DVD-R. I've got a 3.2ghz P4, 2gb SDRAM. The rig's about two years old but still performs awesomely.
The encode will be longer, probably around 28-30 hours I think. I just did a full hd-dvd EVO to 1080p wmv-hd conversion with the 5/5 highest quality setting.... like 55 hours it took!!! And that's on a 2mb cache core 2 duo clocked @ 2.8 ghz! Anyway, the 720p movies are usually only 5xx vertical pixels (the difference to 720 pixels being black bars) and the 1080p releases are typically 800 vertical pixels. So that's a bit more pixels.
What encode quality are you using from the 'Other' menu? Set it to the 4th of 5 setting and that will reduce encode times drastically over the 5th notch. Although the profile by default should be on the 4th.
Cheers
Post by: noremacyug on September 12, 2007, 06:40:00 PM
QUOTE(thetman @ Sep 12 2007, 06:03 PM)
i had the error at 50% problem too, but i have never had riverpast installed, then someone posted those ffdshow codecs the other day and i was up and running again, previous codecs were installed from k-lite mega pack
i just always use the most recent combined community codec pack
Post by: noremacyug on September 13, 2007, 11:07:00 PM
Post by: mduga on September 14, 2007, 04:40:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Sep 9 2007, 09:49 AM)
You can set adjust the audio sync in the cut-selection menu of TMPGenc when you load the video. When I do it though, I always type the number I want in another window on my PC and copy/paste it in. For example, for a 500 MS delay.. if you just type in 500 it will first capture the '5' you enter, and resync the audio and video. Then it will resync again when you enter the first '0', and again with the next. Does that make sense? It could just be with my machine, but it practically locks up for a minute after entering each number. But just pasting in your desired offset works around this slight inconvenience.
Is there anyway to know what I should set the delay at, or do I just gotta keep trying different numbers until it is good? Thanks for the help.
Post by: impimpin206 on September 15, 2007, 10:25:00 AM
QUOTE(mduga @ Sep 14 2007, 04:16 PM)
Is there anyway to know what I should set the delay at, or do I just gotta keep trying different numbers until it is good? Thanks for the help.
I only had to do it when doing full HD DVD conversion, and in doing that it tells me the delay when I demux the EVO files. I guess the best way is to watch the sample with desynced audio, and just approximate the difference in your head. Trial and error. I'd do little 30 second samples that will encode quickly until you find the sweet spot. You could try using the difference in lengths between your audio and video files, but I'm not sure that's going to be the magic number.
Post by: noremacyug on September 17, 2007, 11:41:00 PM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Sep 14 2007, 12:43 AM)
ok, so tmpgenc completed the encoding and i still have the problem of the first ~5 minutes of the file have a stutter to them. it shows up both on the computer and during playback from a dvd on the xbox. so, i decided to try the settings file for tmpgenc that was provided by the O.P. whilst it did cut down my encode time from 24hrs to only 9 hrs, i still get the same stuttering at the beginning. does anyone else have this problem, or a remedy? if i could just get this taken care of it would be perfect.
no one else is having an issue with stuttering video?
Post by: garyd123 on September 18, 2007, 07:26:00 PM
Also didn't have the problem with the "cant load file, but only the audio part" so it is most likely a codec problem I'd say
Post by: snakesyr on September 19, 2007, 06:22:00 PM
Post by: Morphx2 on September 19, 2007, 09:54:00 PM
Well, the movie looks GREAT on my 360, but I see some motion blur. Any ideas on what might cause this and how to fix it? Maybe too high of a bitrate or something?
Post by: piggymouth on September 20, 2007, 08:20:00 PM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Sep 18 2007, 02:17 AM)
no one else is having an issue with stuttering video?
I am having the same problem as you. The first 10-15mins of the film has strutter. Then it seems to go away. I can't put my finger on it. If it weren't for this problem my encodes would come out perfect.
Then after about 30mins the audio will get out of sync which makes no sense.
I am trying another encode. This time I'm changing the aspect ratio from 1:1 (Pixel) to 16:9
It seems that when I play back the video after encoding on my laptop I don't see any strutter. When I watch the movie on my 360, I can clearly see it then. I will post back if this fixes my problem. Everyone seems to be doing differnt things to fix this. I have been burning mine to DVD instead of streaming them from my media server. I'm running out of Hard Disk space.
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Sep 14 2007, 01:43 AM)
I decided to try the settings file for tmpgenc that was provided by the O.P. whilst it did cut down my encode time from 24hrs to only 9 hrs, i still get the same stuttering at the beginning.
I would be interested in this. My encodes are taking about 20-24hrs a movie.
I'd love to cut some of this time in half.
Post by: noremacyug on September 21, 2007, 01:03:00 AM
QUOTE(piggymouth @ Sep 20 2007, 09:56 PM)
I am having the same problem as you. The first 10-15mins of the film has strutter. Then it seems to go away. I can't put my finger on it. If it weren't for this problem my encodes would come out perfect.
Then after about 30mins the audio will get out of sync which makes no sense.
I am trying another encode. This time I'm changing the aspect ratio from 1:1 (Pixel) to 16:9
It seems that when I play back the video after encoding on my laptop I don't see any strutter. When I watch the movie on my 360, I can clearly see it then. I will post back if this fixes my problem. Everyone seems to be doing differnt things to fix this. I have been burning mine to DVD instead of streaming them from my media server. I'm running out of Hard Disk space.
I would be interested in this. My encodes are taking about 20-24hrs a movie.
I'd love to cut some of this time in half.
sorry to hear you're in the same boat as me, but i'm also glad to hear i'm not the only one. i was starting to think that my computer hardware just hated me or something. anyhow, i've re-encoded the same file umpteen times now trying a few different settings, all of which still yield the same stuttering output. i even went on and upgraded to the latest version of tmpgenc in hopes that it was version related, it's not. i too am looking to burn the files to a dvd after i get them the way i want. and i've even tried it once to see if it would play smooth on the xbox, but it doesn't. it's file related and shows up on both my computer and the xbox.
please let me know how your results turn out. i just finished an encode with different settings which yielded a great pic/sound (minus the first few mins of stutter) and only took 7 hours to do, much better than the 24 it use to take me. :-)
Post by: piggymouth on September 21, 2007, 09:20:00 AM
QUOTE(Morphx2 @ Sep 21 2007, 11:26 AM)
no one is having any motion blur? Next gave me some. I am going to try The Condemned to see if it was the movie or the encoding
Isn't this the same as the strutter problem..? Or is this a differnt issue altogether..?
I can confirm that something on my laptop is causing the strutter to happen. I did a 720p encode on my desktop and it did not strutter at all. It was a perfect encode. I'm going to compare what is/isn't installed and see if I can find out what the laptop has that the desktop doesn't.
I'll repost tonight when my encode is done to see if changing the aspect ratio from 1:1 (Pixel) to 16:9
does anything. Probably won't but it can't hurt.
Post by: noremacyug on September 21, 2007, 11:43:00 AM
QUOTE(jamal72 @ Sep 21 2007, 12:18 PM)
Hi...
I have this problem when I load the ac3 file
the ac3 file is ok
what codecs do you have installed? also, can you play the ac3 file back to verify that it isn't corrupt?
Post by: jamal72 on September 21, 2007, 12:20:00 PM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Sep 21 2007, 08:19 PM)
what codecs do you have installed? also, can you play the ac3 file back to verify that it isn't corrupt?
yes i can play it with media player classics
GSpot: Codec AC3 Installed
Post by: noremacyug on September 21, 2007, 12:28:00 PM
QUOTE(Morphx2 @ Sep 21 2007, 01:30 PM)
What is strutter? Also, I did a short clip of Condemned, and noticed noise when in dark scenes, looks like squares. Is that an encode problem or original source problem?
The motion blur happened on my 360 connected to my projector.
i've had that happen too. seemed to only happen when i used 2 pass vbr (average/peak). try it will just a 2 pass vbr (average). see if it still does it. also, i'm using windows media v7, not v9.
QUOTE(jamal72 @ Sep 21 2007, 01:56 PM)
yes i can play it with media player classics
GSpot: Codec AC3 Installed
install combined community codec pack and xvid codec.
Post by: noremacyug on September 21, 2007, 12:45:00 PM
QUOTE(jamal72 @ Sep 21 2007, 02:10 PM)
I haven't a problems with trial versions of TMPGEnc 4.0
i still suggest the cccp and xvid codec's. bout all i can think of that would cause th problem.
Post by: piggymouth on September 21, 2007, 03:09:00 PM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Sep 21 2007, 03:04 PM)
i've had that happen too. seemed to only happen when i used 2 pass vbr (average/peak). try it will just a 2 pass vbr (average). see if it still does it. also, i'm using windows media v7, not v9.
install combined community codec pack and xvid codec.
I will give that VBR setting a shot. To bad I didn't know about this before I started another encode.
Oh well...if it fixes this, my encodes will be perfect.
The strutter I'm refering to is when the camera pans or a person is walking it shows a constant vibration.
Almost like someone is holding you still but shaking you while your standing still.
Post by: noremacyug on September 21, 2007, 03:28:00 PM
QUOTE(piggymouth @ Sep 21 2007, 04:45 PM)
I will give that VBR setting a shot. To bad I didn't know about this before I started another encode.
Oh well...if it fixes this, my encodes will be perfect.
The strutter I'm refering to is when the camera pans or a person is walking it shows a constant vibration.
Almost like someone is holding you still but shaking you while your standing still.
the solution i suggested wasn't regarding the stutter issue. but rather the issue of "noise" that Morphx2 mentioned. in certain scenes, generally dark ones, the resolution would seem to drop drastically and rather than a nice hd picture it would be very low res and you could see large blocks on the screen. then the next scene may be perfect. but by all means try that to see if it solves your stutter issue as well.
the issue i'm having is in the first few minutes of the video. it looks like when you play a video game with gfx settings higher than your card can handle. it looks like there is a skipped frame(s). it doesn't fluctuate, meaning that it doesn't play smooth and then in a certain "heavy" scene drop frames. it stays uniform throughout the first 3-5 mins of video. everything from then on is smooth as butter. it's not as if someone is shaking anything as you describe it, just looks like a dropped frame rate.
i can't figure it out and it's driving me nuts.
what are you system specs?
my setup is:
two intel xeon 2.2ghz cpus (prestonia core)
1gig of pc800 rdram ECC
two 35 gig 10k scsi hdds striped (this array contains the O.S.)
two 160 gig hdds (storage hdds)
Post by: jamal72 on September 21, 2007, 04:59:00 PM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Sep 21 2007, 09:21 PM)
i still suggest the cccp and xvid codec's. bout all i can think of that would cause th problem.
OK i have installed this:
"Combined Community Codec Pack ( CCCP ) 2007.07.22"
but i have the same error !!!!
Post by: piggymouth on September 21, 2007, 05:34:00 PM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Sep 21 2007, 06:04 PM)
The issue i'm having is in the first few minutes of the video. it looks like when you play a video game with gfx settings higher than your card can handle. it looks like there is a skipped frame(s). it doesn't fluctuate, meaning that it doesn't play smooth and then in a certain "heavy" scene drop frames. it stays uniform throughout the first 3-5 mins of video. everything from then on is smooth as butter. it's not as if someone is shaking anything as you describe it, just looks like a dropped frame rate.
i can't figure it out and it's driving me nuts.
This is what's happening on my end. As you described. Like a graphics card for a game set higher than what it can handle. Then after about 10mins into the movie it's smooth as butter. I'm trying the average setting now to see what happens.
@Morphx2: Changing the aspect Ratio from 1:1 (Pixel) to 16:9 did not fix the issue as described above by noremacyug.
I have not had any problems with quality or cubes on the screen. Usually that is caused from a low bitrate.
The HD content I have plays smooth and look incredible even at 720p. When I get done encoding it, it looks just as good as the source. I can't tell the difference.
Post by: noremacyug on September 21, 2007, 07:03:00 PM
QUOTE(Morphx2 @ Sep 21 2007, 06:27 PM)
The black squares I had went away when I put it in my 360.
Another question. I have the Condemned in x264 at 4000 bitrate. Now I want it at 10000 bitrate. Would increasing the bitrate changing anything in the video quality at all or would the first encoding to x264 determine the quality of the video? The reason is that the movie does not look hd-quality at all at the bitrate of 4000, even when changing it to 10000 it did not look any better, but I am not sure.
if the original is at 4000 kbps then a re-encode at 10000 will not help out any. all it will do is help to preserve the original copy as close as possible. you can't take the original copy and make it better, only preserve or lessen it. you will have to re-rip to obtain a higher bitrate.
QUOTE(piggymouth @ Sep 21 2007, 07:10 PM)
This is what's happening on my end. As you described. Like a graphics card for a game set higher than what it can handle. Then after about 10mins into the movie it's smooth as butter. I'm trying the average setting now to see what happens.
ok, i was just making sure we were on the same page. what are your system specs?
Post by: noremacyug on September 22, 2007, 01:17:00 AM
QUOTE(Morphx2 @ Sep 22 2007, 01:17 AM)
So what bitrate should I be looking for in a good quality x264? Most are around 5000 because they are such a small size!
i use vbr for mine so i don't really know what a good cbr would be. the average that haali shows for the couple i checked is around 5000 kbps (this was only for the first few mins, so it could go up or down quite a bit more) all mine look fantastic and are definitely hd quality.
Post by: noremacyug on September 22, 2007, 01:51:00 AM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Sep 22 2007, 02:53 AM)
i use vbr for mine so i don't really know what a good cbr would be. the average that haali shows for the couple i checked is around 5000 kbps (this was only for the first few mins, so it could go up or down quite a bit more) all mine look fantastic and are definitely hd quality.
(edit) - i just checked a few scenes from a different movie. some scenes had an average of 10000kbps, others 7000kbps and perhaps lower. it all just depends on how much action, ect. is taking place in the scene.
Post by: Morphx2 on September 22, 2007, 12:45:00 PM
The Condemned certainly did not. Next doesnt either.
Post by: bill_viper on September 23, 2007, 06:07:00 AM
Post by: ablindedworld on September 23, 2007, 03:13:00 PM
I was able to successfully rip the audio track (a .dts file) with MKV extract, and then I loaded your movie.avs file into TMPGENC Xpress. The movie was successfully converted into a .wmv, but for some strange reason the resulting audio track is acting like the right speaker is the center channel (all 5 speakers do have sound, though.)
Does anyone have any idea why this would happen? I still have the extracted .dts audio file; is there a different program that would easily let me combine the new .wmv with my original audio track?
Post by: noremacyug on September 23, 2007, 03:45:00 PM
QUOTE(ablindedworld @ Sep 23 2007, 04:49 PM)
Thanks for the tutorial, but I had one issue while converting...
I was able to successfully rip the audio track (a .dts file) with MKV extract, and then I loaded your movie.avs file into TMPGENC Xpress. The movie was successfully converted into a .wmv, but for some strange reason the resulting audio track is acting like the right speaker is the center channel (all 5 speakers do have sound, though.)
Does anyone have any idea why this would happen? I still have the extracted .dts audio file; is there a different program that would easily let me combine the new .wmv with my original audio track?
might want to convert that dts track to and ac3 one. i've only just updated to the latest version of tmpgenc, so maybe it handles dts tracks now. but the version i had before wouldn't. ac3 tracks are no probs though.
Post by: noremacyug on September 24, 2007, 10:53:00 AM
QUOTE(jacanuck @ Sep 24 2007, 09:55 AM)
The problem is, that you've used the .avs file as the audio and video source (as already documented in previous pages). When you do this - it screws up which channel is right and which channel is center.
To fix this, you need to chose your extracted audio file as the audio source, and your .avs file as the video source. As far as I know, .dts files do not work as an audio source in TMPG. You'll need to obtain a file with an ac3 audio source, or find a way to convert dts to ac3 (which people have suggested methods, but none of them work so far).
i have a method that does work, it just takes a few steps.
Post by: noremacyug on September 24, 2007, 11:40:00 AM
Post by: noremacyug on September 24, 2007, 05:03:00 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on September 26, 2007, 09:28:00 AM
QUOTE(bill_viper @ Sep 23 2007, 05:43 AM)
Any luck to attach the external subs (.srt) into the movie?
Yeah. You can either load them through Avisynth, or you can load them through ffdshow... or you can load them through the Matroska splitter. Take yer pick
cheers
Post by: piggymouth on September 27, 2007, 06:05:00 AM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Sep 24 2007, 07:39 PM)
if anyone needs a "how to" for DTS to AC3 conversion, here's a tutorial i wrote up. http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=623114
Good Tutorial....
I just ran threw it last night on a DTS file and ran the conversion. Came out perfect. Kudos!!!
I would strongly suggest grabbing the rar pack that noremacyug has provided. If you try to download all the programs one at a time it won't work right. At least it didn't for me. The screens were not the same as the tutorial and I had a hard time following along. Bottom line...it didn't work. It gave me a ac3 file that was joined but when I imported this into TmpEnc it showed 1ch instead of 5.1
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Sep 24 2007, 02:16 PM)
in regards to the stutter issue. i re-encoded a file last night without using avisynth and allowed tmpgenc to just read the mkv file for video and then used a seperate ac3 audio track as normal. anyhow, it resulted in the entire file having the stutter issue, not just the first few minutes. just adding this info so maybe the solution will click for someone and then they can tell me. :-)
Yup!! Sure enough...
If you open the mkv straight into TmpEnc it will produce this strutter. I have the same problem. I was doing it like this because I had an error when TmpEnc would open the avs script file. I have fixed the error since and I'm now able to open the avs file and it works a dream.
I was able to do a encode of Doom (720P) and it came out perfect. As told by someone eariler in the thread I was not importing my audio file seperately and this caused the channels to be screwed up.
Now that I have the script file working and the sound problem fixed, I shouldn't (knock on wood) have anymore issues with this encoding process.
Thanks for everyone's help.
Post by: noremacyug on September 27, 2007, 04:54:00 PM
QUOTE(piggymouth @ Sep 27 2007, 07:41 AM)
Good Tutorial....
I just ran threw it last night on a DTS file and ran the conversion. Came out perfect. Kudos!!!
I would strongly suggest grabbing the rar pack that noremacyug has provided. If you try to download all the programs one at a time it won't work right. At least it didn't for me. The screens were not the same as the tutorial and I had a hard time following along. Bottom line...it didn't work. It gave me a ac3 file that was joined but when I imported this into TmpEnc it showed 1ch instead of 5.1
Yup!! Sure enough...
If you open the mkv straight into TmpEnc it will produce this strutter. I have the same problem. I was doing it like this because I had an error when TmpEnc would open the avs script file. I have fixed the error since and I'm now able to open the avs file and it works a dream.
I was able to do a encode of Doom (720P) and it came out perfect. As told by someone eariler in the thread I was not importing my audio file seperately and this caused the channels to be screwed up.
Now that I have the script file working and the sound problem fixed, I shouldn't (knock on wood) have anymore issues with this encoding process.
Thanks for everyone's help.
yeah, i mostly put the links up to show that it was all indeed freeware as well as to keep a source avalible should my linking of the .rar file not work or happen to get removed from the host site. it took me a while to track down all those files in the .rar and get it setup to where it was easy to perform. glad it worked for you, i tried to make it as easy to follow as i could. was my first tut so, i tried to be thorough.
also, what is the script that your .avs file contains? is it different from the O.P. directions. if different, could you post up an example? also, are you saying that you do not load the audio from a separate, extracted track but rather that you are loading it from the .mkv file?
i've always loaded the .avs file as well as a separate, extracted audio track and i continue to get the stutter for the first few minutes of video.
one last thing, could you try going to this link to see if it works for you. it's tmpgenc's forum, in which i started a thread about this issue. however, it won't load for me. i've tried I.E and Firefox, neither will load it. i've been able to get in twice to post but that's it. i'm just curious if it's a universal problem or something that is isolated to my computer. i can browse the whole site as well as the other forums, just not the one i need into. linky-> http://bbs.tmpg-inc....p?board=en_te40
Post by: piggymouth on September 27, 2007, 08:36:00 PM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Sep 27 2007, 07:30 PM)
also, what is the script that your .avs file contains? is it different from the O.P. directions. if different, could you post up an example?
I'm sure it's not O.P. directions but how would I tell and how would I post the file as far as information goes?
Where would I look for it. Sorry to sound stupid but I've never done this. I don't mind helping I just need some direction.
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Sep 27 2007, 07:30 PM)
are you saying that you do not load the audio from a separate, extracted track but rather that you are loading it from the .mkv file?
i've always loaded the .avs file as well as a separate, extracted audio track and i continue to get the stutter for the first few minutes of video.
No. I'm saying that I have to load the audio from a seperate ac3 track. If I don't then the channels are screwed up on my surround sound and everything comes out of the right/center speaker. TmpEnc doesn't know how to handle the audio. Since I have been using the avs file I have not had anymore stutter problems. Something about that has fixed it for me. I hope you find a issue to your problem. I wish you luck my friend.
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Sep 27 2007, 07:30 PM)
one last thing, could you try going to this link to see if it works for you. it's tmpgenc's forum, in which i started a thread about this issue. however, it won't load for me. i've tried I.E and Firefox, neither will load it. i've been able to get in twice to post but that's it. i'm just curious if it's a universal problem or something that is isolated to my computer. i can browse the whole site as well as the other forums, just not the one i need into. linky-> http://bbs.tmpg-inc....p?board=en_te40
Same here I'm afraid. The page does not load and just comes up with a big blank. Interesting.
Post by: noremacyug on September 27, 2007, 11:16:00 PM
QUOTE(piggymouth @ Sep 27 2007, 10:12 PM)
I'm sure it's not O.P. directions but how would I tell and how would I post the file as far as information goes?
Where would I look for it. Sorry to sound stupid but I've never done this. I don't mind helping I just need some direction.
just open the .avs file with notepad and then post the text that's in the file. i'm pretty sure that you likely have the same thing i do, but i'd like to be positive before i pursue other possible fixes.
thanks
Post by: piggymouth on September 28, 2007, 08:49:00 PM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Sep 28 2007, 01:52 AM)
just open the .avs file with notepad and then post the text that's in the file. i'm pretty sure that you likely have the same thing i do, but i'd like to be positive before i pursue other possible fixes.
thanks
This is what's inside...
CODE
DirectShowSource ("C:\PC Files\WMV-HD_tutorial\wmv_working\movie.mkv")
Post by: noremacyug on September 28, 2007, 08:57:00 PM
QUOTE(piggymouth @ Sep 28 2007, 10:25 PM)
This is what's inside...
CODE
DirectShowSource ("C:\PC Files\WMV-HD_tutorial\wmv_working\movie.mkv")
that's what i figured. it's the same as what i have. oh well, i give up on this method for now. i've tried multiple codec packs and everything i could think of and it still does it. i recently found another method using NICwmenc that looks like it will work. i did a small test sample and it had no stutter issues. whilst i like tmpgenc better, in the end you go with what works.
thanks
Post by: piggymouth on September 29, 2007, 10:54:00 AM
Is there a tutorial available..?
Post by: noremacyug on September 29, 2007, 11:06:00 AM
Post by: impimpin206 on September 29, 2007, 01:02:00 PM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Sep 29 2007, 10:42 AM)
That encoding pack is an old release, subpar quality (in my limited experience). That's what I was using before I wrote the tutorial
Post by: noremacyug on September 30, 2007, 01:31:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Sep 29 2007, 02:38 PM)
That encoding pack is an old release, subpar quality (in my limited experience). That's what I was using before I wrote the tutorial
what about the method made it subpar? video/audio quality, the process itself?
Post by: bill_viper on October 01, 2007, 02:03:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Sep 26 2007, 07:04 PM)
Yeah. You can either load them through Avisynth, or you can load them through ffdshow... or you can load them through the Matroska splitter. Take yer pick (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
cheers
Because i'm pretty newbie with all these stuff is there any tutorial available? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: impimpin206 on October 02, 2007, 07:32:00 AM
QUOTE(bill_viper @ Oct 1 2007, 01:03 AM)
Because i'm pretty newbie with all these stuff is there any tutorial available?
Open your FFDSHOW folder in Start Menu -> Configuration
Open 'subtitles' option
Check the box for 'subtitles'
The path should just be "." to search the working directory.
That should do it. If it doesn't work let me know and I'll go verify all that.
cheers
Post by: dgmayor on October 05, 2007, 06:33:00 AM
Anyways, I got this working to an extent on one of my home machines, but it was taking forever and didn't want to sacrifice the pc all day and night. I've been trying to get it running on my work PC so I can set it when I leave in the evenings to do a movie, but I'm having an issue..
At first, no matter what I did, I couldn't get TMPGEnc to take the AC3 file. I ripped out all the codecs a few times and reinstalled. Right now I have Haali, ffdshow tryouts, avisynth (2.5.6 I think?, older one), and ac3filter (Ac3filter because I was having issues with ffdshow and the ac3 stream).
Now, I can get it to see the AC3 stream, however it always comes up as 2 channel, even though it's not. If I let TMPGenc use the avs file for the audio as well, it sees it as 6 channel. Problem is, when I get to the encode part, it crashes out immediately with an error code:
An Error occured while encoding. (c00d0bc2). Searching the code #, it comes up as a Windows media error.
C00D0BC2: Cannot play the file
Windows Media Player cannot play the file because the required audio codec is not installed on your computer. You might encounter this error message for one of the following reasons:
* The Player is not configured to download codecs automatically. To configure the Player to download codecs automatically, on the Tools menu, click Options, click the Player tab, and then select the Download codecs automatically check box.
* The required codec is not available on the codec server.
I've tried letting ac3filter handle the ac3, and ffdshow, but neither want to work when I leave the audio pulled through the main mkv via the avs file, and when I load the ac3 file as I said before, it shows it as 2 channel. I do have my channel setup in both programs as 3/2+1, but as I said, stumped.
Any thoughts would be great.
Thanks again for all the work on this!
Post by: dgmayor on October 07, 2007, 12:07:00 PM
Post by: thetman on October 08, 2007, 09:58:00 PM
QUOTE(dgmayor @ Oct 7 2007, 07:07 PM)
Just as an update, I've got this running on my main box right now and have done a few movies. FFDShow Tryouts, AVISynth 2.5.6, Haali Media Splitter and TMPGEnc. Only reason I'm mentioning it is because it's a Quad core (qx6700) with 4gb ram running on Vista 64 bit. Works like a charm. Wasn't sure if the 64 bit question had been answered, so I figured I'd throw it out there. Takes about 5 hours a movie.
do you use avisynth 2.5.6 instead of 2.5.7 for a particular reason?
just wondering incase anyone knew of a bug in 2.5.7
Post by: dgmayor on October 09, 2007, 02:43:00 PM
QUOTE(thetman @ Oct 9 2007, 12:34 AM)
do you use avisynth 2.5.6 instead of 2.5.7 for a particular reason?
just wondering incase anyone knew of a bug in 2.5.7
I couldn't get the later versions to work on my setup, and I seemed to remember impimpin saying something about using an older version on vista, so I tried 2.5.6 and it worked.
Now I just wish I could figure out why it seems to drop a frame a second for the first 4 minutes and then clears up. Just makes no sense to me.
Post by: noremacyug on October 09, 2007, 07:06:00 PM
QUOTE(dgmayor @ Oct 9 2007, 04:19 PM)
Now I just wish I could figure out why it seems to drop a frame a second for the first 4 minutes and then clears up. Just makes no sense to me.
i have the same problem with tmpgenc. i've posted about it umpteen times in this tread as well as at avsforum, doom9 and even a forum at tmpgenc's site. i've reinstalled the codecs, program, updated tmpgenc, tried alternate codec packs and even reinstalled my o.s., then went from the ground up. nodda. i've yet to get/find an answer that solved the prob. i finally gave up on this method and started using nic's wmenc method to transcode. if you figure it out, please share the solution. good luck.
This post has been edited by noremacyug: Oct 10 2007, 02:08 AM
Post by: skippy911jp on October 10, 2007, 10:25:00 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on October 11, 2007, 09:06:00 AM
QUOTE(skippy911jp @ Oct 10 2007, 09:25 PM)
Does the 360 play 1080p sources and if so is there a tutorial for mkv to wmv for 1080p? Thanks for the 720p tutorial works great
This works for 1080p as well. Just change the resolution to 1920x800 (typically, check your source) and use the bitrate calculator to DVD9 size.
Post by: skippy911jp on October 11, 2007, 09:44:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Oct 11 2007, 04:42 PM)
This works for 1080p as well. Just change the resolution to 1920x800 (typically, check your source) and use the bitrate calculator to DVD9 size.
If I want to just stream from the pc to the xbox would I still need to adjust to dvd9 size or just output the file directly and then stream? TIA (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: impimpin206 on October 11, 2007, 03:53:00 PM
QUOTE(skippy911jp @ Oct 11 2007, 08:44 AM)
If I want to just stream from the pc to the xbox would I still need to adjust to dvd9 size or just output the file directly and then stream? TIA
You want to make it DVD9 size instead of DVD5 cause your bitrate will be too low on a 1080p encode @ DVD5 file size.
Post by: andefobe on October 14, 2007, 07:48:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Oct 12 2007, 12:29 AM)
You want to make it DVD9 size instead of DVD5 cause your bitrate will be too low on a 1080p encode @ DVD5 file size.
I see many people use DVD9-size even for a 720p encode. Is this to get even better birate and quality ?
Post by: sumotherdude on October 14, 2007, 09:27:00 AM
THANK YOU!
John
Post by: whozyodaddy on October 14, 2007, 03:48:00 PM
Post by: whozyodaddy on October 14, 2007, 03:38:00 PM
QUOTE(whozyodaddy @ Oct 14 2007, 10:48 PM)
Halfway through encoding I get a "unsupported file (error code 0x80048003)". The video displays correctly in the preview despite TMPGEnc stopping at 49% of the encode. How can I fix this?
I got it fixed. I installed ffdshow tryouts.
http://ffdshow-tryout.sourceforge.net/
Post by: pue5tube on February 03, 2020, 01:35:00 PM
The first 5 minutes, give or take a couple, seem to be a bit choppy. the source is not this way. the audio never goes out of sync, but the video is still choppy for that first 5 minutes. it's like frames are dropped. let me know if you have a solution to this problem. i'm afraid it will do the same thing for every conversion.
many thx in advance!
Post by: noremacyug on October 15, 2007, 04:11:00 PM
QUOTE(pue5tube @ Oct 15 2007, 03:35 PM)
Thx for this guide! I converted my first mkv last night and it worked great on my vista desktop. One problem though...
The first 5 minutes, give or take a couple, seem to be a bit choppy. the source is not this way. the audio never goes out of sync, but the video is still choppy for that first 5 minutes. it's like frames are dropped. let me know if you have a solution to this problem. i'm afraid it will do the same thing for every conversion.
many thx in advance!
i wouldn't hold my breath waiting for this issue to be corrected. might as well use nic's wmenc method.
Post by: impimpin206 on October 16, 2007, 07:29:00 AM
QUOTE(pue5tube @ Oct 15 2007, 01:35 PM)
Thx for this guide! I converted my first mkv last night and it worked great on my vista desktop. One problem though...
The first 5 minutes, give or take a couple, seem to be a bit choppy. the source is not this way. the audio never goes out of sync, but the video is still choppy for that first 5 minutes. it's like frames are dropped. let me know if you have a solution to this problem. i'm afraid it will do the same thing for every conversion.
many thx in advance!
What version of Avisynth? Are you using ffdshow tryouts? Have you raised your video RAM in the TMPGEnc options (CPU) ?
Noremacyug, go fuck yourself faggot.
Post by: noremacyug on October 16, 2007, 08:49:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Oct 16 2007, 09:05 AM)
What version of Avisynth? Are you using ffdshow tryouts? Have you raised your video RAM in the TMPGEnc options (CPU) ?
Noremacyug, go fuck yourself faggot.
what the hell man. i wasn't knocking your method and for that matter it's what i recommend to people asking how to do this conversion. but, to my knowledge, this issue has not been solved and i wouldn't be waiting around for a solution, i was giving him a working solution. if he gets it fixed i hope he shares it so i can go back to this method. but i've googled it numerous times and posted a blue million times about it both here and other places. just trying to save him some time and headache.
so you can either grow up and lay off or take your own advice. good grief!
Post by: pue5tube on October 17, 2007, 05:45:00 PM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Oct 17 2007, 03:25 AM)
what the hell man. i wasn't knocking your method and for that matter it's what i recommend to people asking how to do this conversion. but, to my knowledge, this issue has not been solved and i wouldn't be waiting around for a solution, i was giving him a working solution. if he gets it fixed i hope he shares it so i can go back to this method. but i've googled it numerous times and posted a blue million times about it both here and other places. just trying to save him some time and headache.
so you can either grow up and lay off or take your own advice. good grief!
Finally, after dozens of programs, codec packs, and weeks of trial and error...
I have a solution for converting mkv to wmv-hd for the xbox 360 that produces smooth playback with 5.1 audio. Here's what I did on my Vista system...
1) Uninstall all codec packs
2) Run the Codec_TweakTool to remove and fix codecs
3) Install the Vista Codec Package (I left all options at defaults)
4) Install latest AviSynth and create .avs script file for the movie.mkv
5) Install Windows Media Encoder with Vista hotfix
5) Load the .avs script file into the standalone WMNicEnc in order to convert just the audio track to WMA Pro 10
6) Load the mkv into Windows Vista Movie Maker and convert with the included xbox 360 wmv-hd profile (produces a 29.97fps video file that's buttery smooth, with fantastic clarity, in a very reasonable amount of time)
7) Load the 5.1 wma 10 file and wmv-hd file into Windows Media Stream Editor; then select the 5.1 wma for audio and just the video track in the wmv-hd file for video. Create the new file.
Done.
Hope this helps someone out. Time to watch a movie...
-Bitwize
Post by: noremacyug on October 17, 2007, 06:21:00 PM
QUOTE(pue5tube @ Oct 17 2007, 07:21 PM)
Finally, after dozens of programs, codec packs, and weeks of trial and error...
I have a solution for converting mkv to wmv-hd for the xbox 360 that produces smooth playback with 5.1 audio. Here's what I did on my Vista system...
1) Uninstall all codec packs
2) Run the Codec_TweakTool to remove and fix codecs
3) Install the Vista Codec Package (I left all options at defaults)
4) Install latest AviSynth and create .avs script file for the movie.mkv
5) Install Windows Media Encoder with Vista hotfix
5) Load the .avs script file into the standalone WMNicEnc in order to convert just the audio track to WMA Pro 10
6) Load the mkv into Windows Vista Movie Maker and convert with the included xbox 360 wmv-hd profile (produces a 29.97fps video file that's buttery smooth, with fantastic clarity, in a very reasonable amount of time)
7) Load the 5.1 wma 10 file and wmv-hd file into Windows Media Stream Editor; then select the 5.1 wma for audio and just the video track in the wmv-hd file for video. Create the new file.
Done.
Hope this helps someone out. Time to watch a movie...
-Bitwize
looks like this is for vista, but i may see if i can do a xp version of this procedure. thanks for the info.
Post by: pue5tube on October 18, 2007, 07:37:00 AM
QUOTE(skippy911jp @ Oct 18 2007, 02:00 AM)
I second that a xp version would rock
I never was able to get the original tutorial to work because my codecs were messed up. Thanks to the OP for his method as I am sure it helped many people I just could never get it to work.To further enhance this Vista method, I have create a profile with the windows media profile editor and now use that for my movie maker encodes. I have to create a different profile for each video size, i.e. 1280x720, 1280x544.
My settings for 1280x720 profile are...
audio: CBR, windows media audio 9.2, 0kbps 8hz, mono (as we will replace this track with the 5.1 wma)
video: Quality Based VBR, windows media advanced profile, 1280x720, fps = 23.976, key frame interval = 2, video quality = 97 (i found this to be the best video quality without noticeable degradation)
Movie Maker is finicky about the profile settings so the ones above are the best that work with Movie Maker. it won't recognize many settings.
I now encode the mkv audio to wma professional 10 at VBR quality 98, 48kHz, 5.1, 24 bit VBR, using WMNicEnc.
Then create the final wmv with windows media stream editor.
Post by: mikaru on October 18, 2007, 09:14:00 AM
...Nevermind, i figured it out. Right click on the preview window and set the priority there. its only for this encode but it works. I looked forever, but as soon as I ask the question I find the solution...go figure!
BTW great tutorial on converting
Mike
Post by: katz on October 19, 2007, 12:08:00 AM
does this work with DTS 5.1 .mkv files aswell ?
Also, how does this beat encode360 ? encode seems easier to use. Im not against ur method, im new to this and just asking.
Post by: mikaru on October 22, 2007, 01:08:00 PM
QUOTE(jacanuck @ Sep 24 2007, 03:55 PM)
The problem is, that you've used the .avs file as the audio and video source (as already documented in previous pages). When you do this - it screws up which channel is right and which channel is center.
To fix this, you need to chose your extracted audio file as the audio source, and your .avs file as the video source. As far as I know, .dts files do not work as an audio source in TMPG. You'll need to obtain a file with an ac3 audio source, or find a way to convert dts to ac3 (which people have suggested methods, but none of them work so far).
I am having the problem where the center and right channels are swapped and I always extract the ac3 file and use it as a separate audio source. Is there is setting in TMPg that affects this? Is there a way to switch the channels or swap out the audio with the ac3 file after the encode? It does this will all of my encodes. any help would be great.
Thanks
\
Mike
Post by: noremacyug on October 22, 2007, 05:50:00 PM
QUOTE(katz @ Oct 19 2007, 01:44 AM)
impimpin206,
does this work with DTS 5.1 .mkv files aswell ?
Also, how does this beat encode360 ? encode seems easier to use. Im not against ur method, im new to this and just asking.
pretty sure encode360 is only stereo (can't fully remember as i've tried many methods and it's hard to keep them all straight). all i know is that the only two methods i liked enough to use was this one and nic's wmenc. as for the dts track, i don't think tmpgenc will accept it, at least it won't for me. you can simply convert it to ac3. here's a tutorial. http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=623114
(DISCLAIMER - to reduce my chances of being flamed by the OP whilst trying to help someone: i, in no way, am ridiculing, speaking in a negative manner, nor in any way putting down the method that the OP has provided in this tutorial. i will go on and apologize for even mentioning nic's wmenc method in this post. if i have in anyway hurt feelings then i truly apologize and will go sit in the corner to think about what i've done.)
Post by: BaseX on October 24, 2007, 02:18:00 AM
I did run into most of the mentioned problems (hangs, stutter), but fixed most of them using the later releases of the fddshow and media splitter codecs.
Does avisynth have a default fps? I tried to convert a 25fps documentary using the guide, but the sound will run out of sync if I use a default avs script. If I leave the avs script and just use the mkv as source in tmpgenc I do not have this issue.
Another thing I do not understand is converting an mpg2 to wmvhd using the steps in this guide for the audio channels seem to disregard the surround speakers, or at least the back left and right speaker.
Event htough the source is 5.1 and the format shows 5.1 (...and even my stereo pops the magic lights) I do not hear anything from these speakers. If I play the file from my laptop, connected to both stereo and flatscreen, I definately hear sound from these speakers, so I am lost as to why the information is lost whilst encoding.
I tried to demux and ectract the ac3 track, a lot like the way this guide does, but it does not give me real 5.1 ouput in the final wmvhd.
Anyone have a magic clue?
Post by: 007craft on October 25, 2007, 01:11:00 PM
The .avs file contains this:
DirectShowSource ("X:\Misc\Movie_Conversion\movie.mkv")
What is wrong here?
Post by: readmore on October 25, 2007, 07:40:00 PM
After clicking "encode" and starting the encoding it sits at 0% and says "preparing output". I have all the little media splitter icons in the task bar but nothing is happening.
I'm using Vista.
Anyone else have this problem and find a solution??
Post by: BaseX on October 26, 2007, 12:28:00 AM
QUOTE(readmore @ Oct 26 2007, 04:16 AM)
hey! Great guide! Everything worked without a hitch until the very end.
After clicking "encode" and starting the encoding it sits at 0% and says "preparing output". I have all the little media splitter icons in the task bar but nothing is happening.
I'm using Vista.
Anyone else have this problem and find a solution??
Everything worked out without a hitch, and you are stuck at 0% encoding?
I run vista too, so your problem may very well be codec related. Try to fetch the latest and see if that works; or try te encode one minute of some other format to some other format (fi. mpg to avi). If encoding never works out you could have an issue with your version of tmpgenc
Post by: zachisevil on October 27, 2007, 01:05:00 AM
On the very first step when I try to open Mkvextract GUI 1.6.4 I click on MKVextractGUI.exe and I get this error message:"mkvextract.exe and/or mkvmerge.exe file not found in the same MKVextractGUI folder. Copy them into this folder and try again"
If I click ok, the program starts up and I proceed to open my movie.mkv file but the "extract" button cannot be clicked. Only the Uncat button can, and I dont know what that does.
Post by: BaseX on October 27, 2007, 01:41:00 AM
QUOTE(zachisevil @ Oct 27 2007, 09:41 AM)
ok I have a problem.
On the very first step when I try to open Mkvextract GUI 1.6.4 I click on MKVextractGUI.exe and I get this error message:"mkvextract.exe and/or mkvmerge.exe file not found in the same MKVextractGUI folder. Copy them into this folder and try again"
If I click ok, the program starts up and I proceed to open my movie.mkv file but the "extract" button cannot be clicked. Only the Uncat button can, and I dont know what that does.
You need to install all programs like the guide says
mkvtoolnix-unicode-2.0.2-1-setup.exe in your case I presume
Post by: zachisevil on October 27, 2007, 08:10:00 AM
QUOTE(BaseX @ Oct 27 2007, 04:17 AM)
You need to install all programs like the guide says
mkvtoolnix-unicode-2.0.2-1-setup.exe in your case I presume
Oh, I did but it still wasnt there. But I placed the program in the toolkits install directory and it worked. Now I have another problem, when I go to extract the audio it is an aac not ac3. So when I am at the step where I load the file with TMPGEnc it just freezes up, I guess it is because I am loading an aac instead of an ac3?
Please help me out!
thanks in advance
Post by: Face on October 31, 2007, 03:22:00 AM
Ran into a problem when it gets to the 2nd pass at 50%. I recieve any error code 8007000e, can anyone help?
I'm running Vista Ultimate x86 (32-bit), and have set the prefetch to 128MB for video and 32MB for audio, as someone suggested already.
Thanks in advance
Post by: impimpin206 on October 31, 2007, 08:42:00 AM
QUOTE(Face @ Oct 31 2007, 02:58 AM)
Just been trying out this tutorial...
Ran into a problem when it gets to the 2nd pass at 50%. I recieve any error code 8007000e, can anyone help?
I'm running Vista Ultimate x86 (32-bit), and have set the prefetch to 128MB for video and 32MB for audio, as someone suggested already.
Thanks in advance
Try uninstalling your codecs and install ffdshow-tryouts. And set your video cache to 512 MB or 1024 MB (I'm assuming you have 1 or 2 GB of ram).
Post by: Face on October 31, 2007, 04:59:00 PM
I have it for a free 60 day trail license, but would consider purchasing it based on my experience. Have to see how much it is first...
Post by: Bitwize on November 01, 2007, 05:44:00 AM
QUOTE(Face @ Oct 31 2007, 07:35 PM)
I've just been experimenting with Microsoft Expression Encoder and have had quite a pleasing experience. No errors, the only problem I've had so far is it doesn't handle AC3 audio correctly, only 2 channels not 5.1. Opens mkv files no problems and interface is simple and intuitive to use.
I have it for a free 60 day trail license, but would consider purchasing it based on my experience. Have to see how much it is first...
i've looked into expression encoder and it sounds similar to what window movies maker (hd) on vista can accomplish with mkv to wmv-hd conversions. and the nice 360 profile that is embedded in movie maker is a plus for me. i'll stick with my method as it works and produces fantastic results. thx for the suggestion though.
Post by: impimpin206 on November 01, 2007, 08:43:00 AM
QUOTE(darkdevil @ Nov 1 2007, 02:06 AM)
great work,man! finally i've done it!
just a question: is it normal that the process to encode the file takes about 18 hours? and another thing: when encoding,on the application bar i see a lot of icons of ffdshow and haali media spliter (something like 11!) is it normal?
my pc configuration: intel core duo 1.83 ghz,2gb ram ddr2,hard disk sata 120gb,windows vista ultimate 32 bit edition
Sounds about right... overclock that core2 boy, they push easy. I've used air cooling to pushed my core2duo e4300 (1.8 ghz) to 3.15 GHz and my e4400 (2.0 ghz) to 3.33 GHz. I run normally at 2.8 GHz and do them in 8-12 hours usually. Make sure you set TMPGEnc to multithread too so it uses both cores. And all of the filter icons in your system tray is normal, I get a billion of them. ALSO, encode your source file from one hard drive and save your output to a different drive. This should help performance too.
Post by: Bitwize on November 02, 2007, 08:15:00 AM
QUOTE(Face @ Oct 31 2007, 07:35 PM)
I've just been experimenting with Microsoft Expression Encoder and have had quite a pleasing experience. No errors, the only problem I've had so far is it doesn't handle AC3 audio correctly, only 2 channels not 5.1. Opens mkv files no problems and interface is simple and intuitive to use.
I have it for a free 60 day trail license, but would consider purchasing it based on my experience. Have to see how much it is first...
I went ahead and downloaded Expression Encoder. I was skeptical, but so far so good. I just convert the audio to 5.1 wma in WMENicEnc and sync up the video from Expression Encoder using Windows Media Stream Editor. I'll have a finished encode this afternoon and will let you know how it turns out. The profile I'm using is vbr peak based, 6000-10000Kbps, keyframe interval=2, buffer time=5, 2 pass encoding (obviously). this should be great for a 720p file. Thx again for the heads up on the program.
btw, microsoft is giving away a 180 day trial license. just go to the main product page for downloading expression encoder.
Post by: Taher on November 02, 2007, 03:06:00 PM
I converted an 7.5 GB MKV file (with resolution of 1280x528) to wmv, using your tutorial and exactly by all of the tools which you said, but I have a problem and that is when I want to play this wmv file on my console, it seems xbox360 can't play this file clearly, I mean file was played with glitches just like when I play this big file on a normal PC that can't afford showing it flawlessly.
I don't think xbox360 doesn't have enough power to run this file without glitches, so what do you think is the problem?
Thanks in advance
Post by: noremacyug on November 02, 2007, 05:36:00 PM
QUOTE(Taher @ Nov 2 2007, 04:42 PM)
Thanks for the nice tutorial.
I converted an 7.5 GB MKV file (with resolution of 1280x528) to wmv, using your tutorial and exactly by all of the tools which you said, but I have a problem and that is when I want to play this wmv file on my console, it seems xbox360 can't play this file clearly, I mean file was played with glitches just like when I play this big file on a normal PC that can't afford showing it flawlessly.
I don't think xbox360 doesn't have enough power to run this file without glitches, so what do you think is the problem?
Thanks in advance
does the converted file play perfectly on your pc? are you streaming the file or have you burnt to a disc?
Post by: noremacyug on November 02, 2007, 06:27:00 PM
QUOTE(Taher @ Nov 2 2007, 04:42 PM)
Thanks for the nice tutorial.
I converted an 7.5 GB MKV file (with resolution of 1280x528) to wmv, using your tutorial and exactly by all of the tools which you said, but I have a problem and that is when I want to play this wmv file on my console, it seems xbox360 can't play this file clearly, I mean file was played with glitches just like when I play this big file on a normal PC that can't afford showing it flawlessly.
I don't think xbox360 doesn't have enough power to run this file without glitches, so what do you think is the problem?
Thanks in advance
ok, you've obviously put a voodoo hex on me! i finished a conversion and popped it into the 360 to check it before i put it away and delete the source file. and lucky me i'm experiencing what you described. so, i figured i just had a botched transcode that i didn't bother checking before burning to disc. so i redid the transcode, checked the wma file on my computer before i burnt it and then proceeded to burn. popped the new disc into the 360 and it still does it. so, i thought maybe nero screwed something up, but nope. the file plays perfectly off the disc in my computer. i can't figure this out. my computer is significantly underpowered in comparison to my 360 yet the 360 seems as though it's struggling. the audio is out of sync, but plays perfectly in terms of sound quality and the video is sluggish and lags behind the audio significantly. i dunno what the deal is. i even pulled out one of my previously transcoded movies and popped them into the 360 to make sure something with the 360 hadn't changed. the other movies play fine. i dunno what the deal is, if you figure it out please share.
Post by: noremacyug on November 03, 2007, 03:22:00 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on November 06, 2007, 12:39:00 PM
Post by: robert74 on November 07, 2007, 10:01:00 AM
Post by: arthurbear on November 08, 2007, 12:58:00 AM
I have converted four films on my pc which all have worked fine.The other day i deceided to use my new laptop to convert one as this is more powerful than my pc.the encode took 21 hours rather than the 40 hours on my pc.This made me happy untill when i burnt the film to a data disc it played back jerky on my 360.I have installed klite 3.53 codec pack on my laptop and wondered if i need any other codecs or settings.I have had my pc for many years and cant remember what codecs it has installed.When i use the laptop to convert i gat about three of those little white icons.When i use my pc i get about 8 white and three red?
I would really prefer to use my laptop as its quicker.Any advice would be great.
Just to add the the film is 6.5 gig and that plays smooth on my laptop in its original size and form,its when i convert it it plays jerky.
Post by: Bitwize on November 08, 2007, 02:02:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Nov 6 2007, 03:15 PM)
Why would you want to hard-code black bars? If you encode with the actual resolution, the player will add black bars as needed. Hard coded black bars are nasty. Also, if you're just going for speed... my guide can be used for CBR as well. Fuck Expressions.
Don't encode black bars anymore since moving to Expression Encoder. Just have to create whatever custom profile you want it the Windows Media Profile Editor and use it in Expression Encoder.
Geez, chill out man. My Expression Encoder methods works great, produces files that are sync'd, and you can use CBR, VBR, VBR 2 pass, whatever the heck you want. Just a matter of putting together the profile the way you want it.
I used your method for a while but just wasn't having very much luck with it. So far I've not had a single problem using the Expression Encoder method. So to each his own.
Bottomline, thx for taking the time and effort to put together you tutorial. It has obviously been a huge help to many.
Post by: noremacyug on November 14, 2007, 11:52:00 AM
QUOTE(Taher @ Nov 3 2007, 01:45 PM)
OK, I burnt the file on a DVD9 disc with 2.4X speed.
I didn't try to stream through PC. Did you try streaming the file through the PC? I mean sharing it on PC and then playing it from console?
My PC isn't powerful enough for playing that big file without problem.
I'll test streaming tomorrow and then if I succeeded, I'll let you know.
If anyone found out what's the problem, please share with us.
Thank you
anything new regarding the issue? i just found that i had a second screwed up movie that i had burnt to disc. i'm starting to wonder if nero could somehow be at fault. the wmv file plays perfect on my pc, but the xbox just doesn't like it. makes no sense.
Post by: impimpin206 on November 15, 2007, 09:05:00 AM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Nov 14 2007, 11:28 AM)
anything new regarding the issue? i just found that i had a second screwed up movie that i had burnt to disc. i'm starting to wonder if nero could somehow be at fault. the wmv file plays perfect on my pc, but the xbox just doesn't like it. makes no sense.
Does the 360 detect it as a media disc? Or is it coming up invalid? Could be a media issue... tough to say.
Post by: noremacyug on November 15, 2007, 09:15:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Nov 15 2007, 10:41 AM)
Does the 360 detect it as a media disc? Or is it coming up invalid? Could be a media issue... tough to say.
the 360 detects it as a mixed media disc, the same as the working dvd's that i've burnt. the only other thing i can think of is that i believe that originally i used a v9 advance profile setting and the last few times i've been using v7 cause it was ridiculously faster and i couldn't tell a difference in quality. would/could that effect the playback on the 360 in anyway?
Post by: impimpin206 on November 16, 2007, 09:13:00 AM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Nov 15 2007, 08:51 PM)
the 360 detects it as a mixed media disc, the same as the working dvd's that i've burnt. the only other thing i can think of is that i believe that originally i used a v9 advance profile setting and the last few times i've been using v7 cause it was ridiculously faster and i couldn't tell a difference in quality. would/could that effect the playback on the 360 in anyway?
That's probably it. Check the video compatibility page on the xbox site.
Post by: noremacyug on November 21, 2007, 12:05:00 PM
another question though, i have a couple hd files that are packaged in .avi containers. what's the best method to convert them?
just following up to say that the v9 advanced profile took care of the issue i was having, thanks impimpin.
another question though, i have a couple hd files that are packaged in .avi containers. what's the best method to convert them?
just following up to say that the v9 advanced profile took care of the issue i was having, thanks impimpin.
another question though, i have a couple hd files that are packaged in .avi containers. what's the best method to convert them?
just following up to say that the v9 advanced profile took care of the issue i was having, thanks impimpin.
another question though, i have a couple hd files that are packaged in .avi containers. what's the best method to convert them?
Post by: noremacyug on November 21, 2007, 02:21:00 PM
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Nov 21 2007, 01:41 PM)
just following up to say that the v9 advanced profile took care of the issue i was having, thanks impimpin.
another question though, i have a couple hd files that are packaged in .avi containers. what's the best method to convert them?
just following up to say that the v9 advanced profile took care of the issue i was having, thanks impimpin.
another question though, i have a couple hd files that are packaged in .avi containers. what's the best method to convert them?
just following up to say that the v9 advanced profile took care of the issue i was having, thanks impimpin.
another question though, i have a couple hd files that are packaged in .avi containers. what's the best method to convert them?
just following up to say that the v9 advanced profile took care of the issue i was having, thanks impimpin.
another question though, i have a couple hd files that are packaged in .avi containers. what's the best method to convert them?
yeah, sorry bout this f'ed up post, browser issues. anyhow, i got the avi changed to mkv using avi mux gui.
Post by: impimpin206 on November 21, 2007, 06:01:00 PM
QUOTE(evans05 @ Nov 21 2007, 04:15 PM)
iv got an intel pentium 4 2.80 ghz and a gig of ram. converted a 4 gig film and took 50 hours, if i get another gig stick how fast do you think it will do them then. people on here with a slower processore but 2 gig of ram seem to do films in 12 hours or quicker
Did you use the highest quality setting? Try lowering the slider a notch to the 'speed' end, should bring it down significantly (if it's on highest). Extra RAM won't do a whole lot. Sounds like a clean windows install might do you nicely.
cheers
Post by: noremacyug on November 21, 2007, 07:24:00 PM
dual intel p4 2.2ghz cpu's (prestonia core)
1gig of rdram
2 x 34gig 10k scsi drives striped
Post by: evans05 on November 22, 2007, 09:28:00 AM
Post by: abd640 on November 23, 2007, 03:38:00 PM
Post by: noremacyug on November 23, 2007, 03:12:00 PM
QUOTE(evans05 @ Nov 21 2007, 09:23 PM)
what do you have your settings to mate, i didnt do anything different then what was on the tutorial. have you adhusted the slider at all?
i no longer use tmpg cause i had issues with it i couldn't get straightened out. but i just used all the settings that impimpin listed. i left the slider at 95 or whatever the default setting is.
Post by: impimpin206 on November 25, 2007, 06:56:00 PM
QUOTE(abd640 @ Nov 23 2007, 02:38 PM)
is there away to permenanet subtitle on the movie(with these steps) ???
Yes, there are a few ways. I recommend you load the subtitle file in the ffdshow decoder. Just go to your decoder options, then subtitles. Set it to search for the subtitle file by default.
You can also load it through Matroska, or through Avisynth.
QUOTE(noremacyug @ Nov 21 2007, 07:00 PM)
my system is as follows and it only takes me about 7-8hours for a transcode. since you said it's a fresh install it sounds like you have the quality settings too high or perhaps a bunch of unnecessary processes running in the back ground. impimpin's suggestion will likely take care of the prob. what are your current settings? did you deviate from the instructions in the tutorial by chance?
dual intel p4 2.2ghz cpu's (prestonia core)
1gig of rdram
2 x 34gig 10k scsi drives striped
This is not the slider I was referring to. See the 'OTHER' tab? Click the 'other' tab, and its the slider in there. This slider controls speed vs quality. The difference between the highest and 2nd highest setting is minimal, and will cut the encode time by like 75%
Post by: jkoz on November 29, 2007, 02:55:00 PM
I'm using Windows XP, 3.2ghz P4, 2gb ram, ATI x800 256mb..
Post by: Vangeloff on December 02, 2007, 09:09:00 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on December 03, 2007, 09:15:00 AM
QUOTE(jkoz @ Nov 29 2007, 02:31 PM)
Hey.... I'm having a problem. I'm trying to convert a backup MKV of Transformers in 1080p to 1080p WMV that'll get onto a DVD9... I'm getting the error where it fails at 50% before the second pass begins. How is this alleviated? Thanks!
I'm using Windows XP, 3.2ghz P4, 2gb ram, ATI x800 256mb..
I just built a new system and had it crash at 50%. I encoded without avisynth, and it worked... so I believe that's the culprit. Try encoding a small sample without avisynth, see if you get decent quality. If so, I'd just encode without it. I remember in the past I got choppy encodes without avisynth though. I'm going to work with it a bit later, and will hopefully have an answer for you.
QUOTE(Vangeloff @ Dec 2 2007, 08:09 PM)
Whenever I load movie.avs in TMPGENC 4.0, it crashes.. I'm able to load the file before i change the file location by opening it up in notepad, but I dont have an E: drive, so I cant get the wmv_working into that folder... anyway i can get around this?? Thanks
Yeah just modify the path to whatever does work for you, like c:\wmv_working
Post by: Vangeloff on December 03, 2007, 01:13:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Dec 3 2007, 11:51 AM)
Yeah just modify the path to whatever does work for you, like c:\wmv_working
I have changed it with notepad, but once I load the movie.avs file with TMPGENC 4.0 it crashes, I loaded the video instead and encoded and it seemed to work right.. what does using the movie.avs file accually do??
Post by: impimpin206 on December 03, 2007, 12:46:00 PM
I'm not sure if this varies from version to version with Avisynth, I'm going to do some testing and find out. Seems the best way to do it is to use Avisynth, but it leaves potential to waste many hours to encode a video that could freeze 1/2 way through. On the other hand, don't want to spend all that time encoding a video that will play choppy. I'm going to pinpoint exact version numbers of the software that is proven to work, and make the binaries available here.
Post by: Vangeloff on December 03, 2007, 05:42:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Dec 3 2007, 03:22 PM)
Using the avs file loads the video through Avisynth. Avisynth is a frameserver. I originally used it to solve problems with choppy encodes, and it worked- but it also seems to cause problems with 2-pass encodes (1-pass CBR seems to work fine)
I'm not sure if this varies from version to version with Avisynth, I'm going to do some testing and find out. Seems the best way to do it is to use Avisynth, but it leaves potential to waste many hours to encode a video that could freeze 1/2 way through. On the other hand, don't want to spend all that time encoding a video that will play choppy. I'm going to pinpoint exact version numbers of the software that is proven to work, and make the binaries available here.
Ohh.. I see, that explains the choppiness when I started streaming it to my 360..
Well heres my problem, As you can see in this picture I open movie.avs in a notepad and rename it to the correct folder that wmv_working and movie.mkv are located.
PICTURE
Then I open up TMPGENC 4.0 Xpress and load the movie.avs file and it crashes as shown in this picture.
PICTURE
If I dont have a movie.mkv in the folder it will open up the movie.avs file and I get the
"DirectShowSource: Could not open as video or audio" error but it wont crash... Could this be a problem with my AVIsynth program??
Post by: impimpin206 on December 03, 2007, 06:07:00 PM
QUOTE(Vangeloff @ Dec 3 2007, 04:42 PM)
Ohh.. I see, that explains the choppiness when I started streaming it to my 360..
Well heres my problem, As you can see in this picture I open movie.avs in a notepad and rename it to the correct folder that wmv_working and movie.mkv are located.
PICTURE
Then I open up TMPGENC 4.0 Xpress and load the movie.avs file and it crashes as shown in this picture.
PICTURE
If I dont have a movie.mkv in the folder it will open up the movie.avs file and I get the
"DirectShowSource: Could not open as video or audio" error but it wont crash... Could this be a problem with my AVIsynth program??
I'm thinking it's Avisynth, or possible your codecs. Can you load the mkv file directly? Sounds like you can, which would point to Avisynth. What version of Avisynth are you running?
Post by: Vangeloff on December 03, 2007, 08:18:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Dec 3 2007, 08:43 PM)
I'm thinking it's Avisynth, or possible your codecs. Can you load the mkv file directly? Sounds like you can, which would point to Avisynth. What version of Avisynth are you running?
The only codec pack that I have installed is the CCCP (Combined Community Codec Pack) and im using the latest AviSynth 2.5.7 final version. Im running Vista Premium 32 bit..
Post by: ferderer on December 04, 2007, 10:08:00 AM
QUOTE(Vangeloff @ Dec 3 2007, 09:18 PM)
The only codec pack that I have installed is the CCCP (Combined Community Codec Pack) and im using the latest AviSynth 2.5.7 final version. Im running Vista Premium 32 bit..
I had the same problems as you... one thing that did work for me was to install an older version of AviSynth (2.0.something I think).
However, I was still having some problems with the video being choppy while streaming at that point. Now I upgraded my Vista Home Premium to Ultimate and all the problems with AviSynth 2.5.7 went away. Not really sure if the upgrade had anything to do with it or if it was just the reinstall of codecs, etc that fixed the problem.
Post by: impimpin206 on December 04, 2007, 11:30:00 AM
See what this does.
Post by: meppy on December 04, 2007, 06:23:00 PM
Post by: Mitch_s_s on December 05, 2007, 01:46:00 PM
would this work with 1080i/p files?
Post by: Raziel on December 05, 2007, 06:03:00 PM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Dec 4 2007, 07:06 PM)
See what this does.
This was an awesome guide that I would always use when I couldn't already find what I wanted in wmv-hd now let me ask you have you ever tried doing mkv to hd-dvd (dvd9) that will play on the hd-dvd player I am intrested in getting into this as I would like to back up some home made videos that I had made but would like to get them onto hd-dvd since my parents picked up a $99 hd-dvd player and asked me for a copy of the video. Which dawned on me that unless they had a 360 I had no way of sharing my babies videos with them if you know of a way or know a link to a guide it would be much appreciated.
Post by: impimpin206 on December 06, 2007, 10:09:00 AM
QUOTE(Mitch_s_s @ Dec 5 2007, 01:22 PM)
might be a noob question this but...
would this work with 1080i/p files?
Yeah just match your resolution the same way, and use a DVD9 output size (DVD5 will be too low bitrate). I've done a number of 1080p conversions.
Post by: robert74 on December 06, 2007, 02:51:00 PM
The reason is the new update plays xvid/divx files but... Im having alot of dropped frames with HD xvids(1280X 720p)...maybe network congestion? Im sticking with wmv-hd videos for now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pop.gif) .
Anybody had the same problem streaming high def xvids/divx?
Post by: impimpin206 on December 06, 2007, 02:23:00 PM
QUOTE(robert74 @ Dec 6 2007, 01:51 PM)
Well, after the fall 2007 update this is still the best method for streaming HD videos.(impimpin´s method)
The reason is the new update plays xvid/divx files but... Im having alot of dropped frames with HD xvids(1280X 720p)...maybe network congestion? Im sticking with wmv-hd videos for now
. Anybody had the same problem streaming high def xvids/divx?
I had dropped frames when playing from a disc, haven't tried streaming across my network yet (I typically keep my 360 connected to my router's switch port, outside NAT). One thing that has annoyed me thus far is that there's a character limit for playable filenames. I have discs with multiple files, all encoded the same, but only the files with shorter filenames show up in the dashboard. Since I've already got lots of these files burned to disc, renaming them isn't really practical. Oh wells.
Post by: ecd on December 09, 2007, 10:14:00 AM
Post by: DarrenR on December 09, 2007, 10:39:00 AM
E6600 @ 2.4Ghz
2GB 533Mhz Corsair XMS
Post by: ecd on December 09, 2007, 10:45:00 AM
This post has been edited by ecd: Dec 9 2007, 06:59 PM
Post by: texagjosh on December 09, 2007, 10:35:00 AM
Post by: ecd on December 09, 2007, 11:22:00 AM
when i load the avs file in tmpgenc, it only reads 10 seconds of the file, not the whole thing. anyone know what i'm doing wrong?
:edit: i can't load the dts file i ripped either, it says that it may be an unsupported file or there is only a video stream.
This post has been edited by ecd: Dec 9 2007, 07:24 PM
Post by: Rushy on December 09, 2007, 06:05:00 PM
Post by: thomazff on December 10, 2007, 01:16:00 PM
Everything is working here. The only problem is when I use the batch tool.
Sometimes I put a few files to reencode and when I get back just one or two are done. The next, and all the others, say "An error stopped the out put".
I searched google but got nothing, and the search tool in this forum ain't working for me.
What could it be? There is more than enough space left for the files.
One other thing. Why is there more than 15 icons on the try? A few ffdshow and a lot of haali media splitter.
This post has been edited by thomazff: Dec 10 2007, 09:35 PM
Post by: hevnbnd on December 10, 2007, 11:04:00 PM
Post by: evans05 on December 11, 2007, 04:06:00 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on December 11, 2007, 03:56:00 PM
QUOTE(texagjosh @ Dec 9 2007, 10:11 AM)
Just posting to say THANK YOU for this how-to. Using the AVS script + chopping frames off the end works flawlessly in Vista.
You're welcome
QUOTE(ecd @ Dec 9 2007, 10:22 AM)
sorry for all the other posts, for some reason i can't edit them, but i have another problem.
when i load the avs file in tmpgenc, it only reads 10 seconds of the file, not the whole thing. anyone know what i'm doing wrong?
:edit: i can't load the dts file i ripped either, it says that it may be an unsupported file or there is only a video stream.
DTS gives problems, you'll need to convert it to AC3 or a 2channel file. In regard to the encoder only reading 10 seconds, that sounds like Avisynth. Try loading the MKV file directly into tmpgenc, see if the whole file reads. If so, uninstall and re-install Avisynth. I think version 2.5.7 is what most people are using.
QUOTE(Rushy @ Dec 9 2007, 05:05 PM)
Can the audio bit rate be raised to 640 kbps? Will this still work on the 360.
640 kbps will work fine, there is no max bitrate on the 360 for wmv audio. However, make sure your source file is 640 kbps, otherwise there's nothing to gain.
QUOTE(thomazff @ Dec 10 2007, 12:16 PM)
Hi.
Everything is working here. The only problem is when I use the batch tool.
Sometimes I put a few files to reencode and when I get back just one or two are done. The next, and all the others, say "An error stopped the out put".
I searched google but got nothing, and the search tool in this forum ain't working for me.
What could it be? There is more than enough space left for the files.
One other thing. Why is there more than 15 icons on the try? A few ffdshow and a lot of haali media splitter.
I couldn't tell you what the error is with the batch encode tool. The 15+ icons in your system tray is from Avisynth. It's a frame server and opens the stream multiple times. I'm trying to eliminate Avisynth from the process, but it seems to solve alot of framerate issues people have.
QUOTE(hevnbnd @ Dec 10 2007, 10:04 PM)
Any Idea why there is no sound in my output wmv file? I have the dot in "Video and audio" setting on "Output stream type" and all other setting set just like your original post except 720x480 since this is a standard dvd... I get sound when I play the file before TMPGEnc TRIAL version encodes it...
Are you loading an AC3 file directly into tmpgenc? Or are you just loading a VOB, avi, or whatever your source file is? On the 'clip editor' window, does it show the correct details for the audio stream?
Post by: evans05 on December 11, 2007, 04:52:00 PM
Post by: impimpin206 on December 11, 2007, 05:20:00 PM
QUOTE(evans05 @ Dec 11 2007, 03:52 PM)
hell again mate i asked a question before if anyone else finds it takes longer with sub files. another question and sorry to bother people in this thread, do you know a good program to convert the dts 5.1 to ac3 5.1 because the dts also takes longer for me too
If you're loading them through ffdshow, it shouldn't take any noticeably longer. Another user wrote a thread for DTS to AC3 conversion, and you can find it HERE
Post by: evans05 on December 11, 2007, 05:25:00 PM
Post by: evans05 on December 11, 2007, 07:00:00 PM
Post by: thomazff on December 11, 2007, 08:00:00 PM
What codecs, or codec pack, do you use?
Post by: Beem on December 12, 2007, 07:40:00 AM
Post by: evans05 on December 12, 2007, 11:55:00 AM
Post by: ric9887 on December 14, 2007, 08:28:00 PM
I will try again selecting the extracted AC3 track and see what happens. I am not sure, but perhaps the original is swapped, but as I have nothing to play the MKV on which does AC-3 decoding, I cant tell.
I wonder the reason you chose to use an extracted AC3 soundtrack, rather than let TMPGenc use the one directly from the MKV via AVIsynth ?
Post by: johnnynuge on December 16, 2007, 01:48:00 AM
QUOTE(ecd @ Dec 9 2007, 09:14 AM)
cool tutorial, just have one problem. whenever i try to top mkvextractgui an error comes up saying that it cannot find the mkvextract.exe/mkvmerge file. it still opens up the program but i can't do anything with the video once it opens it.
I am also having this problem (using Vista x64). Sorry if this has already been answered, but search topic doesn't work.
Post by: johnnynuge on December 16, 2007, 11:40:00 AM
This post has been edited by johnnynuge: Dec 16 2007, 07:49 PM
Post by: evans05 on December 16, 2007, 01:22:00 PM
QUOTE(johnnynuge @ Dec 16 2007, 10:48 AM)
I am also having this problem (using Vista x64). Sorry if this has already been answered, but search topic doesn't work.
in order to get in working you have to put the files that you didnt have to install into the director of mkvextract thingy. thus should mean it works. that what i had to do
Post by: impimpin206 on December 17, 2007, 12:16:00 PM
QUOTE(thomazff @ Dec 11 2007, 07:00 PM)
To impimpin206:
What codecs, or codec pack, do you use?
I used ffdshow-tryouts in the past, but last night I just installed an XXL nightly build, filename ffdshow_rev1681_20071205_xxl.exe
Encoding a movie as we speak at 74% without using avisynth
Post by: scott076q on December 17, 2007, 02:57:00 PM
Tried your tut on a clip last night works great, playback is choppy on vista 32 bit using wmp11 on my pc which is above average spec.
Funnily enough it streams from wmp11 to my xbox without any stutter, I did some reading and have found wmp11 has several problems with 720p content and numerous people who are using media centres linked to a tv are going ape about it.
Just though I would raise the issue.
I'm using zoom player to play the files on my pc until a fix for wmp11 is released.
Thanks for your work.
Tried your tut on a clip last night works great, playback is choppy on vista 32 bit using wmp11 on my pc which is above average spec.
Funnily enough it streams from wmp11 to my xbox without any stutter, I did some reading and have found wmp11 has several problems with 720p content and numerous people who are using media centres linked to a tv are going ape about it.
Just though I would raise the issue.
I'm using zoom player to play the files on my pc until a fix for wmp11 is released.
Thanks for your work.
Post by: johnnynuge on December 18, 2007, 01:41:00 AM
QUOTE(evans05 @ Dec 16 2007, 12:22 PM)
in order to get in working you have to put the files that you didnt have to install into the director of mkvextract thingy. thus should mean it works. that what i had to do
I'm sorry, but can you or anyone else explain that a little more clearly?
This post has been edited by johnnynuge: Dec 18 2007, 09:46 AM
Post by: evans05 on December 18, 2007, 01:59:00 AM
QUOTE(johnnynuge @ Dec 18 2007, 10:41 AM)
I'm sorry, but can you or anyone else explain that a little more clearly?
hi sorry mate if you didnt understand it. right once you have downloaded mkvtoolnix and installed it, right click on the desktop icon and click properties then find target. this should bring up wthe folder in prgram files. download mkvexctract gui and unzip the cntents. now the contents you just unzipped copy and paste into the mkvtoolnix folder we just opend. i created a shortcut to my desktop for mkvextract gui after placing the file in the folder, or the only way to find it is by going through the first steps all the time. hope that helps
Post by: retardbud on December 19, 2007, 06:37:00 AM
Post by: menase on December 19, 2007, 07:43:00 AM
It seems that that many instances of anything running at once would cause performance to suffer greatly.
Thanks
Post by: impimpin206 on December 19, 2007, 12:06:00 PM
Post by: xr2i on December 24, 2007, 03:09:00 AM
I just wanted to thank impimpin206 for his excellent tutorial!
I was looking for a very good encoder for my xbox 360 & this guide is really working awesomely for me!
I tried a lot of software & different containers, but for me it's clear = WVC1 is the best codec for the 360 & with this tutorial i'm finally able to encode at great speeds with my core2duo e4400 @2.8Ghz & 4 Gig of ram.
The quality is very good and as i hardly notice a difference between the quality and speed settign (in the "other" tab) I can encode my MKV's in about 3 hours in CBR 1 Pass @ 4500Kbits/s.
This gives me WMV HD's from +- 3.5Gigs with excellent quality.
WVC1 is really an excellent codec regarding quality/size ratio.
So, even with divx, xvid support of the 360, I really recommend everyone to encode in WVC1 that is ways better.
A happy Xbox360 user (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: imaware on December 24, 2007, 06:48:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Jul 4 2007, 11:57 PM)
I see some of you are looking for a way to convert 720p MKV files to WMV-HD. So here's a little tutorial that should help you out. You need to download the attached file and have the tools below.
You can download a sample video here. Just stick it in your shared video folder and play it over network on your console.
Tools needed
- My custom TMPGEnc Xpress profile (available here)
- TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0 (available here)
- MKVtoolnix (available here)
- MKVExtractGUI (available here )
- Avisynth (available here)
Once you have all of that software installed and functioning, here's what you need to do.
1. Extract the contents of the attached file. This tutorial assumes you have extracted the file to the root of your E: drive, so you'll be working from e:\wmv_working\ If this is not the case, you'll need to open the movie.avs file in Notepad and change the directory. Copy your source MKV file to your \wmv_working\ directory and rename it to movie.mkv
2. Run MKVExtractGUI and open your movie.mkv file. Check the box for the AC3 audio stream and click the 'Extract' button. Once complete, exit MKVExtractGUI.
(IMG:http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6462/extractac3cs7.jpg)
3. Run TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0 and start a new project.
4a. Load your AVS script (movie.avs) into the source file.
4b. Load your AC3 audio file into the 'Audio' section. (click browse, locate file)
4c. Change the 'Clip Name' to the title of your movie. This is what shows in the Xbox 360 browser.
(IMG:http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/7674/loadaudiotf7.jpg)
5. Look at the clip details before proceeding to Format. Remember your source file's resolution.
(IMG:http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/543/clipsummaryhx6.jpg)
6. Proceed to 'Format' and click 'Browse' to load the attached template Xbox 360 720 VBR.txp4e
(IMG:http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/512/loadtemplateup6.jpg)
7. Correct the resolution to what was displayed on the source file information. If you are using a 1080p source, you should be able to convert to 1080p WMV-HD without any other changes. For 720p sources, you should only need to correct the vertical resolution. Failing to do so will result in a clipped frame or black bars at the top & bottom to keep the aspect ratio. Setting the same resolution will have your Xbox 360 scale the file correctly.
(IMG:http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3884/fixresfn7.jpg)
8. Push the 'Calculator' button. Set your output size to 100% of media and push OK.
(IMG:http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4736/fixbitratemc7.jpg)
9. Save your project in case adjustments are necessary.
Optional Step: Create test sample (see below for steps)
10. Everything else is set for you. Encode!
Optional Step: Create a test sample
Note: this assumes you are between steps 8 and 10.
1. Select the bitrate from the box and copy it into your clipboard. (In this example, it's 5053)
2. Click 'Source' to go back a step in the wizard.
3. Click 'Cut-edit' on the right.
4. Select a new start frame and end frame and click OK. Since this is VBR, I usually make a 5 minute clip of both low and high motion scenes to give an accurate output quality sample.
(IMG:http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5351/selectstarthh0.jpg)
5. Click Encode and start it.
6. Put the output file into your shared videos and play it over network in your Xbox 360. If the video looks good, then re-open your saved project file and encode it. If you didn't save it, you will need to repeat these steps to set your original start/end frames to the movie's start/end, then encode.
Hopefully this helps you some.
Cheers,
impimpin
Thanks for the great guide, the only problem for me is that im new to using the "Avisynth" part.
could someone be kind enough to show me how to do the avs script parts within the context of the above guide.
Thanks.
Lee
Post by: Adam19 on December 27, 2007, 11:33:00 AM
I had a sample which originally had DTS sound which i convered to AC3 but i tried another sample with AC3 directly and still no difference, resulting very quiet volume.
Post by: johnnynuge on December 28, 2007, 03:48:00 AM
QUOTE(evans05 @ Dec 18 2007, 12:59 AM)
hi sorry mate if you didnt understand it. right once you have downloaded mkvtoolnix and installed it, right click on the desktop icon and click properties then find target. this should bring up wthe folder in prgram files. download mkvexctract gui and unzip the cntents. now the contents you just unzipped copy and paste into the mkvtoolnix folder we just opend. i created a shortcut to my desktop for mkvextract gui after placing the file in the folder, or the only way to find it is by going through the first steps all the time. hope that helps
Just finally got around to trying it. Thanks.
Post by: xr2i on December 29, 2007, 12:11:00 PM
can soemone tell me how i can use a DTS soundtrack with TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0 ?
I can demux it with MKVExtractgui but TMPGEnc Xpress doesn't accept it, even when i rename it to .ac3 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
I have no problem with the sound volume.
Thx for your help!
Post by: BoostFrenzy on December 29, 2007, 02:28:00 PM
using vista business 32bit and tools supplied in first post
Post by: Jer_ry on December 29, 2007, 03:28:00 PM
Post by: BoostFrenzy on December 29, 2007, 05:25:00 PM
thanks
Post by: bling20 on December 31, 2007, 12:57:00 PM
can someone help me out? but if I cant put them to a data DL or other disc with this than i dont think i will even bother with it. Little help thanks
Post by: ramaneekgill on January 01, 2008, 03:44:00 PM
Direct show source could not open the video.......(then it says) no combinations of filters could be found to render the strean
Direct show source could not open the audio.......(then it says) no combinations of filters could be found to render the strean
my direct show source is correct i dont see what the problem is, i have all the codec installed : ffdshow, avisynth, combination codec 7/22/07, xvid and haali
Post by: Timknight21 on January 04, 2008, 09:42:00 AM
I had found a program that also will convert dts to ac3. Its called DAudioK. I had extracted the audio track using your guide and then loaded the dts file with DAudioK and then converted to ac3. I have had no problems with this so far but I thought that this may help some other people too.
Again, awesome job with this guide.
Hi, I wanted to say thank you for writting this guide, I have converted 5 HD Movies so far and they have played flawlessly. Thank you for the work that you have put in on this guide.
I had found a program that also will convert dts to ac3. Its called DAudioK. I had extracted the audio track using your guide and then loaded the dts file with DAudioK and then converted to ac3. I have had no problems with this so far but I thought that this may help some other people too.
Again, awesome job with this guide.
Post by: impimpin206 on January 04, 2008, 02:43:00 PM
Also, the 50% crash problem seems attributed to two things: A) memory and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) using VBR. To solve (A) try going to options, then CPU, and set the video pre-fetch to 256 MB. I have 2 GB of RAM and going higher has seemed to cause problems. Also, start your encodes from a saved template after a fresh reboot. To solve ((IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) I am re-writing the tutorial for CBR, as VBR doesn't gain very much... especially when using 2-pass CBR (as I recently have). Also, I think VBR may be causing stutter issues during playback if your network is congested.
I've also converted a bunch of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs directly to WMV with great success, so a tutorial for that is forthcoming.
I'll respond to the posts above later today when I have more time
CHeers
Post by: 101998 on January 05, 2008, 06:11:00 PM
Post by: spanglmd on February 03, 2020, 03:06:00 AM
QUOTE(spanglmd @ Jan 9 2008, 04:31 AM)
With everyone complaining about getting subtitles onto the video, I want to get rid of them. They are not hardcoded, just the extra tracks within the .mkv file. How do I stop the first track from getting encoded on the video? Everytime I go to encode to WMV it encodes the subtitles right onto the video.
Edit: I am using K-Lite Codec Pack, Haali Media Splitter, TMPEGEnc. DirectVobSub is installed. Uninstalling DVS causes TMPEGEnc to crash when trying to load the video.
scratch all this. uninstalled k-lite and went with CCCP codec pack. Seems to be working better now. Subs don't seem to be appearing in any of the preview panes so I will wake up in 7 hours and see how the final product turns out.
Post by: mooshoepork on February 03, 2020, 05:32:00 AM
Post by: spanglmd on February 03, 2020, 09:52:00 AM
QUOTE(mooshoepork @ Jan 9 2008, 07:32 AM)
fucking hell. Now TMPGEnc freezes when opening my .avs file. *sigh* Any ideas?
Mine does that all the time. Now it likes to freeze up in the middle of an encode while i'm asleep.
Post by: chrislynch on February 03, 2020, 03:55:00 PM
This is *NO* way to remove existing burnt in subtitles, as some people have been inquiring.
@spanglmd/mooshoepork: If TMPGEnc freezes using an AVS script, make sure that you have the Xvid 1.3 Final codec installed referenced in earlier posts.
I would suggest you test my method I posted a few days ago. I have been able to successfully use TMPGEnc to re-encode 1080p and 720p video without the need for an AVS script. With my success thus far, I have had to use 29.97 Progressive as the frame rate, instead of 23.976, for most if not all of the 720p/1080p content I have.
Also, I would run memtest86+ for about 5 hours to make sure you have no hardware level problems if TMPGEnc is locking in the middle of your encodes.
This post has been edited by chrislynch: Yesterday, 11:56 PM
Post by: mooshoepork on February 03, 2020, 04:17:00 PM
QUOTE(chrislynch @ Jan 10 2008, 09:55 AM)
@mooshoepork: If you do have DirectVobSub, you can go into DirectVobSub Properties from your Start menu. Click on the General tab, and there is an option to hide subtitles. This will not allow the subtitles to be perminantly burnt into your encoded video.
This is *NO* way to remove existing burnt in subtitles, as some people have been inquiring.
@spanglmd/mooshoepork: If TMPGEnc freezes using an AVS script, make sure that you have the Xvid 1.3 Final codec installed referenced in earlier posts.
I would suggest you test my method I posted a few days ago. I have been able to successfully use TMPGEnc to re-encode 1080p and 720p video without the need for an AVS script. With my success thus far, I have had to use 29.97 Progressive as the frame rate, instead of 23.976, for most if not all of the 720p/1080p content I have.
Also, I would run memtest86+ for about 5 hours to make sure you have no hardware level problems if TMPGEnc is locking in the middle of your encodes.
Thanks, but subtitles aren't my problem.
I have totally reformatted my PC, installed the programs in the tutorial, and the Klite video codec pack referenced earlier. Now when I open the .mkv in TMPGEnc, it says "could only open the audio, not video" When I open the .AVS script (as shown in the tutorial) I get the red writing on the screen where it basically says "format not supported". THis seems likes a codec problem, but I don't want to install to many, which could screw it up anymore.
I thought Klite would do it? hm..I have gone through this entire thread, and it seems a bit hit and miss. What codecs do you use? What should I install? Sorry for these noob questions. If you could help me get this running, it'd be greatly appreciated! I have spent all week trying to get different methods working. THis seems like the best option.
Post by: chrislynch on February 03, 2020, 04:43:00 PM
QUOTE(mooshoepork @ Jan 9 2008, 03:17 PM)
Thanks, but subtitles aren't my problem.
I have totally reformatted my PC, installed the programs in the tutorial, and the Klite video codec pack referenced earlier. Now when I open the .mkv in TMPGEnc, it says "could only open the audio, not video" When I open the .AVS script (as shown in the tutorial) I get the red writing on the screen where it basically says "format not supported". THis seems likes a codec problem, but I don't want to install to many, which could screw it up anymore.
I thought Klite would do it? hm..I have gone through this entire thread, and it seems a bit hit and miss. What codecs do you use? What should I install? Sorry for these noob questions. If you could help me get this running, it'd be greatly appreciated! I have spent all week trying to get different methods working. THis seems like the best option.
I was answering a few of your posted questions. Subs being one of them.
Anyhow, as I pointed out in post #530, I would install the following codecs/filters only:
- CoreAVC Pro v1.60 (this codec only costs $15, and is *well* worth it for the Professional version)
- Haali Media Splitter v1.7.359.22
- AC3Filter v1.46
NOTE: Install them in that order.
I too have used the K-Lite codec pack, and I have resolved myself to not using it anymore. I have run into too many problems in the past with this codec pack, and others FTM.
Once you have them installed, I would suggest you edit the settings of the codecs before you continue further.
- Go to your Start Menu -> Programs -> CoreCodec -> CoreCodec Professional -> Configure CoreCodec. Then, make sure that "Aggressive Deinterlacing" is NOT checked (since most of the content you should be working with are Progressive,) and "Force VMR AR Correction" and "Preferred Decoder" ARE checked.
- Go to your Start Menu -> Programs -> AC3Filter -> AC3Filter Config. Click OK to the message prompt. on the MAIN tab, change the Output format to "3/2+SW 5.1 channels" and "PCM 24bit." Make sure that "Use SPDIF" is not checked. Select the MIXER tab, and verify that the Output Format section is set the same way.
- Start TMPGEnc. Click on Options -> Preferences -> CPU -> Multithread Settings, and un-check "Prefetch Video" and "Prefetch Audio." This does not seem to help in any way for those that have fast PC's (i.e. SATAII 7200 RPM disks; 2GB+ physical RAM; at least a dual core CPU, quad would be better.)
Then, use the MKV as your source, not the AVS script that the tutorial references in the beginning. Once the MKV file is loaded into TMPGEnc, change the frame rate to 29.97 (as I have had the most success with this frame rate, and have produced output WMV-HD files without skipping or stuttering for any length of the video.) You can either leave the output as 23.976 or change it to 29.97 Progressive.
If there is a need to subtitles, you would then need AVIsynth installed, and you would need to use an AVS script. You could try using Haali Media Splitter to load the subtitles. I haven't had much success. I know that CoreAVC should have the ability in an upcoming release of their codec to support loading subtitles. They work very closely with the Matroska community.
This post has been edited by chrislynch: Today, 12:45 AM
Post by: mooshoepork on February 03, 2020, 05:44:00 PM
QUOTE(chrislynch @ Jan 10 2008, 10:43 AM)
I was answering a few of your posted questions. Subs being one of them.
Anyhow, as I pointed out in post #530, I would install the following codecs/filters only:
- CoreAVC Pro v1.60 (this codec only costs $15, and is *well* worth it for the Professional version)
- Haali Media Splitter v1.7.359.22
- AC3Filter v1.46
NOTE: Install them in that order.
I too have used the K-Lite codec pack, and I have resolved myself to not using it anymore. I have run into too many problems in the past with this codec pack, and others FTM.
Once you have them installed, I would suggest you edit the settings of the codecs before you continue further.
- Go to your Start Menu -> Programs -> CoreCodec -> CoreCodec Professional -> Configure CoreCodec. Then, make sure that "Aggressive Deinterlacing" is NOT checked (since most of the content you should be working with are Progressive,) and "Force VMR AR Correction" and "Preferred Decoder" ARE checked.
- Go to your Start Menu -> Programs -> AC3Filter -> AC3Filter Config. Click OK to the message prompt. on the MAIN tab, change the Output format to "3/2+SW 5.1 channels" and "PCM 24bit." Make sure that "Use SPDIF" is not checked. Select the MIXER tab, and verify that the Output Format section is set the same way.
- Start TMPGEnc. Click on Options -> Preferences -> CPU -> Multithread Settings, and un-check "Prefetch Video" and "Prefetch Audio." This does not seem to help in any way for those that have fast PC's (i.e. SATAII 7200 RPM disks; 2GB+ physical RAM; at least a dual core CPU, quad would be better.)
Then, use the MKV as your source, not the AVS script that the tutorial references in the beginning. Once the MKV file is loaded into TMPGEnc, change the frame rate to 29.97 (as I have had the most success with this frame rate, and have produced output WMV-HD files without skipping or stuttering for any length of the video.) You can either leave the output as 23.976 or change it to 29.97 Progressive.
If there is a need to subtitles, you would then need AVIsynth installed, and you would need to use an AVS script. You could try using Haali Media Splitter to load the subtitles. I haven't had much success. I know that CoreAVC should have the ability in an upcoming release of their codec to support loading subtitles. They work very closely with the Matroska community.
Thank you! I will uninstall the Klite pack. I have no problem paying for it, as long as it works! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'll get it.
Post by: placebo3681 on February 03, 2020, 06:46:00 PM
Post by: chrislynch on February 03, 2020, 07:44:00 PM
An AVS script can be edited with Notepad. I would suggest you read up on the user documentation of AVISynth, which is the application that parses the AVS script and serves the content to the player/utility (in this case TMPGEnc.)
Post by: mooshoepork on February 03, 2020, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: mooshoepork on February 03, 2020, 09:10:00 PM
I am almost certain it is working now. I'll report back in 13 hours (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Post by: chrislynch on February 03, 2020, 10:18:00 PM
QUOTE(mooshoepork @ Jan 9 2008, 06:48 PM)
Chris, I have a rather oldish PC, without dual core, or the need for SAT TV, and other things the professional pack seems to offer. Maybe the standard addition would do? Or should I go for the professional? Cheers.
I would purchase the Pro version. $15 shouldn't be that much to most. It's wise to get it, in case you to have the chance to upgrade to dual-core or quad-core. Heck, when they release the codec with GPU support (where H.264/x264/AVC/VC-1 is offloaded to the GPU,) that would help even better for those that do not have a multi-core PC.
QUOTE(mooshoepork @ Jan 9 2008, 08:10 PM)
Holy shit dude...Chris. I love you.
I am almost certain it is working now. I'll report back in 13 hours (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Uh, heh... You're welcome.
Also, with the method I pointed out, you should no longer see a bunch of Haali Media Splitter filter icons in the systray. This should help out with system PTE's and physical memory issues some have run into.
Post by: mooshoepork on February 03, 2020, 11:46:00 PM
QUOTE(chrislynch @ Jan 10 2008, 04:18 PM)
I would purchase the Pro version. $15 shouldn't be that much to most. It's wise to get it, in case you to have the chance to upgrade to dual-core or quad-core. Heck, when they release the codec with GPU support (where H.264/x264/AVC/VC-1 is offloaded to the GPU,) that would help even better for those that do not have a multi-core PC.
Uh, heh... You're welcome.
Also, with the method I pointed out, you should no longer see a bunch of Haali Media Splitter filter icons in the systray. This should help out with system PTE's and physical memory issues some have run into.
there are 2 haali media splitters in the tray. It seems to be going fine though...20% (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: placebo3681 on February 04, 2020, 08:50:00 AM
QUOTE(chrislynch @ Jan 9 2008, 09:44 PM)
@placebo3681:
An AVS script can be edited with Notepad. I would suggest you read up on the user documentation of AVISynth, which is the application that parses the AVS script and serves the content to the player/utility (in this case TMPGEnc.)
Making sense now. I created my .avs file and tried to open it with TMPG. I got an error that I haven't seen anyone else get (although I've only made it to page 26 of 37 pages on this topic so far). It says "Unrecognizable character "y"". I have checked the syntax and all seems fine. I'm not sure where to look. After much playing around last night, TMPG finally asked me if I wanted to run ffdshow on the file and I said yes and the script finally worked loaded and showed the right settings for the media file. No such luck on another conversion that I am trying to do right now. Are my ffdshow settings wrong? Not sure where else to look on this.
Post by: chrislynch on January 11, 2008, 03:35:00 PM
As impimpin206 suggested, do a small 3min encode to test your settings. There's nothing you will gain by encoding the whole video, just to have the encode be f'd up.
Post by: placebo3681 on January 11, 2008, 10:17:00 PM
last question. did you still use the OP's format template and adjust as needed or did you make your own template?
Post by: johnnynuge on January 12, 2008, 04:03:00 PM
I am using CCCP (2007-07-22), CoreAVC Pro 1.6.0.0, TMPGenc 4.0 Xpress 4.4.1.237.
BTW for anyone using CCCP and wants to disable the subtitles during conversion, go to Haali Media Splitter Settings from the filters folder in the start menu>Options>Languages>Audio and Subtitle Languages and enter value: eng,off;
Post by: mooshoepork on January 12, 2008, 06:29:00 PM
QUOTE(johnnynuge @ Jan 13 2008, 10:39 AM) 
Sorry if this has been answered already, but what do you do with dts soundtracks? Adding the movie_track2.dts into TMPGEnc gives the error "cannot open the file...".
I am using CCCP (2007-07-22), CoreAVC Pro 1.6.0.0, TMPGenc 4.0 Xpress 4.4.1.237.
BTW for anyone using CCCP and wants to disable the subtitles during conversion, go to Haali Media Splitter Settings from the filters folder in the start menu>Options>Languages>Audio and Subtitle Languages and enter value: eng,off;
This will convert .dts to ac3, or whatever (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) worked for me!
google DAudioK (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: chrislynch on January 12, 2008, 08:42:00 PM
QUOTE(placebo3681 @ Jan 11 2008, 09:53 PM)
chrislynch
last question. did you still use the OP's format template and adjust as needed or did you make your own template?
I took the template that the OP linked to, and adjusted for my content. You will always need to. The virtical size will never be the same for every movie. Movies are filmed in different aspect ratios, which determine the size of of the video.
QUOTE
Sorry if this has been answered already, but what do you do with dts soundtracks? Adding the movie_track2.dts into TMPGEnc gives the error "cannot open the file...".
I am using CCCP (2007-07-22), CoreAVC Pro 1.6.0.0, TMPGenc 4.0 Xpress 4.4.1.237.
BTW for anyone using CCCP and wants to disable the subtitles during conversion, go to Haali Media Splitter Settings from the filters folder in the start menu>Options>Languages>Audio and Subtitle Languages and enter value: eng,off;
I am using CCCP (2007-07-22), CoreAVC Pro 1.6.0.0, TMPGenc 4.0 Xpress 4.4.1.237.
BTW for anyone using CCCP and wants to disable the subtitles during conversion, go to Haali Media Splitter Settings from the filters folder in the start menu>Options>Languages>Audio and Subtitle Languages and enter value: eng,off;
As long as you are using AC3filter for DTS and AC3 decoding, you should be fine.
Again, I have personally stopped using any codec pack of any kind. You only need the codecs I mentioned above for perfect re-encodes.
Post by: placebo3681 on January 13, 2008, 02:52:00 PM
Post by: chrislynch on January 13, 2008, 11:29:00 PM
QUOTE(placebo3681 @ Jan 13 2008, 02:28 PM)
Just looking for a little help on the audio front. I'm not getting 5.1 audio through my xbox and receiver after encoding. Seems to be still stuck in 2 channel. Any thoughts on what to look for? I encdoed my video via chrislynch's method. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
If you have not changed any of the AC3filter settings, it defaults to 16bit 2.0 Stereo audio output. You will need to change this. Simply look at my other posts on how to do this.
Post by: falcon3333 on January 14, 2008, 09:20:00 AM
i've got movie.avs in my e:/wmv-working folder but when i run tmpgenc it can't see the avs file under source.
and avs does not show under the supported file types.
Post by: chrislynch on January 14, 2008, 06:19:00 PM
QUOTE(falcon3333 @ Jan 14 2008, 08:56 AM)
i've got tmpgenc express 4.4.1.237 and avisynth 257 and klmcodec 365 installed
i've got movie.avs in my e:/wmv-working folder but when i run tmpgenc it can't see the avs file under source.
and avs does not show under the supported file types.
Simply drag-and-drop the AVS script into the TMPGEnc Source window. Or, select All Files from the File Type drop down list in the File Open dialog box.
Post by: andyd on January 14, 2008, 10:49:00 PM
1. What can I expect in file size if I have a 2gb 90 min mkv video
2. How long does it take? Using a PC I built last month (so new/nice build)
I tried converting to mp4 and that so far has been a huge headache. I finally got a converted file but it doesn't work on the 360. Want to try this out but I'm most concerned about losing video quality. The process took about 30 minutes so I'm hoping for something similar
This post has been edited by andyd: Jan 15 2008, 06:50 AM
Post by: chrislynch on January 14, 2008, 11:14:00 PM
QUOTE(andyd @ Jan 14 2008, 10:25 PM)
Can someone help with these two questions?
1. What can I expect in file size if I have a 2gb 90 min mkv video
2. How long does it take? Using a PC I built last month (so new/nice build)
I tried converting to mp4 and that so far has been a huge headache. I finally got a converted file but it doesn't work on the 360. Want to try this out but I'm most concerned about losing video quality. The process took about 30 minutes so I'm hoping for something similar
1. That is going to completely depend on the bitrate you choose. Since you have a 2GB 90 min video file, I'm going to assume the bitrate is *extremely* small. I use a tool called Mediainfo to view the details about what I have acquired. Try to keep the bitrate as close as possible in TMPGEnc. From my experience, the file size has been ~15% larger than the MKV parent.
2. This will also completely depend on the bitrate. But, more so on the slider under the Format -> Video tab and Other tab. The more the slider is to the right, the longer it will take. There is no guarantee on exactly how long is long. It will vary.
Keep in mind that the Xbox 360 cannot stream H.264 or x264 content stored in an MP4 container. You will either need to burn your resultant file to DVD5/DVD9 or copy to an external drive formatted with XFS+ (Mac OS X filesystem, as FAT32 does not support files larger than 4GB, and the Xbox 360 cannot read the NTFS filesystem.)
Post by: andyd on January 14, 2008, 11:19:00 PM
QUOTE(chrislynch @ Jan 15 2008, 01:50 AM)
1. That is going to completely depend on the bitrate you choose. Since you have a 2GB 90 min video file, I'm going to assume the bitrate is *extremely* small. I use a tool called Mediainfo to view the details about what I have acquired. Try to keep the bitrate as close as possible in TMPGEnc. From my experience, the file size has been ~15% larger than the MKV parent.
2. This will also completely depend on the bitrate. But, more so on the slider under the Format -> Video tab and Other tab. The more the slider is to the right, the longer it will take. There is no guarantee on exactly how long is long. It will vary.
Keep in mind that the Xbox 360 cannot stream H.264 or x264 content stored in an MP4 container. You will either need to burn your resultant file to DVD5/DVD9 or copy to an external drive formatted with XFS+ (Mac OS X filesystem, as FAT32 does not support files larger than 4GB, and the Xbox 360 cannot read the NTFS filesystem.)
Crap. I wish I knew that last part as I spent hours trying to get it to mp4. As for how much time, is there an estimate though? Like can this take about an hour? Or should I be expecting something more like 5+? If it's the former, then I'll give this a try. If it's the latter, then I may not bother converting anything and hope that proper mkv comes in the Spring update
Post by: chrislynch on January 15, 2008, 12:20:00 AM
QUOTE(andyd @ Jan 14 2008, 10:55 PM)
Crap. I wish I knew that last part as I spent hours trying to get it to mp4. As for how much time, is there an estimate though? Like can this take about an hour? Or should I be expecting something more like 5+? If it's the former, then I'll give this a try. If it's the latter, then I may not bother converting anything and hope that proper mkv comes in the Spring update
Well, I have a Q6600 (not OC'd) with 4GB RAM, running Windows Vista Home Premium 32bit. It usually takes between 5-6 hours to re-encode from MKV x264 to WMV-HD/WVC1.
I would not bet anything that MKV support will come any time soon from Microsoft. Since I have a few Xbox 360's at my place, I stay on top of multimedia support. Divx/Xvid support just made sense. No other gaming platform, other than XBMC (which is limited at that), does not support MKV. I have created TMPGEnc projects, and loaded them into the Batch tool. Works great. I simply load 5 or more projects, click Encode, and come back a day later or so, and I have most of the 720p content re-encoded. It's the 1080p content that takes a while. We're talking ~16 hours.
Post by: trankillity on January 15, 2008, 04:42:00 AM
I've used this method and it works fine for the most part however, like a lot of people, I get choppy playback with the resulting WMVs and the occasional dropped frame. I believe this is due to the inability to actually specify an exact framerate in the encoder settings in TMPGEnc rather than just use a dropdown. I've looked at the input pins on the MKVs that I have and some are 23.975, some are 23.976 and some are 23.98. The 23.976 ones are the ones with the most direct conversion yet still they are slightly choppy. I've found that the best playback is achieved through 24fps encoding.
Does anyone have any pearls of wisdom on how to stop the choppiness altogether? I started reading this thread and got to page 6 before seeing it had almost 40 pages and then promptly found out that the thread search tools suck so forgive me if this has already been answered.
Cheers,
trankillity
Post by: chrislynch on January 15, 2008, 09:45:00 AM
QUOTE(trankillity @ Jan 15 2008, 04:18 AM)
Hi all,
I've used this method and it works fine for the most part however, like a lot of people, I get choppy playback with the resulting WMVs and the occasional dropped frame. I believe this is due to the inability to actually specify an exact framerate in the encoder settings in TMPGEnc rather than just use a dropdown. I've looked at the input pins on the MKVs that I have and some are 23.975, some are 23.976 and some are 23.98. The 23.976 ones are the ones with the most direct conversion yet still they are slightly choppy. I've found that the best playback is achieved through 24fps encoding.
Does anyone have any pearls of wisdom on how to stop the choppiness altogether? I started reading this thread and got to page 6 before seeing it had almost 40 pages and then promptly found out that the thread search tools suck so forgive me if this has already been answered.
Cheers,
trankillity
24fps works the absolute best. There is no different in visual quality between 23.976fps and 24fps. I only came to this conclusion after testing, and have not figured out why. However, I believe this may be a bug with TMPGEnc. I'm doing DVD backups right now (while upscaling to WVC1 ~720p), and using the 23.976fps does not produce any stuttering or video issues (other than the lack of visual quality in 480p video being upscaled.)
Post by: cockbongo on January 15, 2008, 10:25:00 AM
QUOTE(chrislynch @ Jan 15 2008, 06:50 AM)
Keep in mind that the Xbox 360 cannot stream H.264 or x264 content stored in an MP4 container. You will either need to burn your resultant file to DVD5/DVD9 or copy to an external drive formatted with XFS+ (Mac OS X filesystem, as FAT32 does not support files larger than 4GB, and the Xbox 360 cannot read the NTFS filesystem.)
Really? Dammit. So there is no way to play *any* video encoded with H.264 or (more importantly X.264) on the 360? No matter what container, MKV AVI or MP4, that it's in?
Or is it possible to remux it into a format that will play on the Xbox 360 if it's burned to a DVD? If so, what format would be appropriate? I'm talking about files of about 1G, TV episodes mainly.
Post by: chrislynch on January 15, 2008, 12:10:00 PM
QUOTE(cockbongo @ Jan 15 2008, 09:25 AM)
Really? Dammit. So there is no way to play *any* video encoded with H.264 or (more importantly X.264) on the 360? No matter what container, MKV AVI or MP4, that it's in?
Or is it possible to remux it into a format that will play on the Xbox 360 if it's burned to a DVD? If so, what format would be appropriate? I'm talking about files of about 1G, TV episodes mainly.
Streaming with WMP11: Yes
Streaming wtih WMC (Windows Media Center 2005 or Vista): No
Local play (i.e. DVD, USB drive): Yes
Keep in mind that if you do not re-encode the x264, you have no other choice but to use an MP4 or MOV container. And Microsoft *only* support 2-channel LC AAC, not HC 5.1 AAC.
Here is the support matrix of media codecs that the Xbox 360 supports with the Fall 2007 update.
If all you have are 1hr (really 40 minut video) in x264, then it would only take less than 2hrs per video to re-encode to WMV-HD/WVC1 with 5.1 WMA 10 Pro Surround Sound.
Also, the Xbox 360 has as a strict stance on Codec and Container support. So, you *cannot* mux x264/H.264 video into a WMV/ASF container. This is also outlined in the link above.
This post has been edited by chrislynch: Jan 15 2008, 08:12 PM
Post by: mohd_kb on February 02, 2020, 04:01:00 PM
i have a Q:
is it possible to add subtitles to the wmv-hd file, in case of:
- the sub file is and external file
- the sub file is in the mkv file
again, thank you very very much.
This post has been edited by mohd_kb: Yesterday, 12:13 AM
Post by: cockbongo on February 02, 2020, 07:03:00 PM
QUOTE(chrislynch @ Jan 15 2008, 07:10 PM)
Keep in mind that if you do not re-encode the x264, you have no other choice but to use an MP4 or MOV container. And Microsoft *only* support 2-channel LC AAC, not HC 5.1 AAC.
Thanks for the answer
So, is it therefore possible to remux an x264 file, with 2 channel sound, into an MP4, and stream it to a 360 without actually recoding it into a wmv?
If so, surely thats the quickest way to do it? Recoding a 42 min mkv currently takes about 4 hours in my machine...
Post by: chrislynch on February 02, 2020, 09:55:00 PM
QUOTE(cockbongo @ Jan 15 2008, 06:03 PM)
Thanks for the answer
So, is it therefore possible to remux an x264 file, with 2 channel sound, into an MP4, and stream it to a 360 without actually recoding it into a wmv?
If so, surely thats the quickest way to do it? Recoding a 42 min mkv currently takes about 4 hours in my machine...
4hrs!!! That's a long time. Have you changed the "Video Quality" and/or "Performance" sliders under Format -> Video and Other tabs? If so, there is no reason to. Quality of 95 and the second to the last ""+Picture Quality" setting for Performance will give you an excellent encode.
However, if you really want, you can demux the x264 video to a RAW AVC/H.264 stream with mkvdemux, then use MP4box to put it into a format you can then mux with audio into the final container. I do not like this process, as I can only have 2-channel low quality/complexity audio. I want my 5.1 surround sound dammit! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Post by: trankillity on February 03, 2020, 06:39:00 AM
For anyone who's been getting stuttery encodes with frame drops, take a look at the comments of http://www.ryanwalsh.ca/blog/?p=6 for a solution (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
This post has been edited by trankillity: Yesterday, 02:41 PM
Post by: andyd on February 03, 2020, 08:56:00 AM
QUOTE(chrislynch @ Jan 15 2008, 11:55 PM)
4hrs!!! That's a long time. Have you changed the "Video Quality" and/or "Performance" sliders under Format -> Video and Other tabs? If so, there is no reason to. Quality of 95 and the second to the last ""+Picture Quality" setting for Performance will give you an excellent encode.
However, if you really want, you can demux the x264 video to a RAW AVC/H.264 stream with mkvdemux, then use MP4box to put it into a format you can then mux with audio into the final container. I do not like this process, as I can only have 2-channel low quality/complexity audio. I want my 5.1 surround sound dammit! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Maybe I'm misunderstanding but when you say stream it's not streaming to the 360 right? You mentioned in a earlier reply...
Streaming with WMP11: Yes
Streaming wtih WMC (Windows Media Center 2005 or Vista): No
Local play (i.e. DVD, USB drive): Yes
Does that mean I should be able to stream a mp4 file (h264 + LC AAC) to the 360 if I'm using WMP11?
Post by: cockbongo on February 03, 2020, 09:38:00 AM
QUOTE(chrislynch @ Jan 16 2008, 04:55 AM)
However, if you really want, you can demux the x264 video to a RAW AVC/H.264 stream with mkvdemux, then use MP4box to put it into a format you can then mux with audio into the final container.
I'm getting mixed up here - demux an x264 video into an H264 stream? I thought these two were fundamentally different - that the 360 can play H264 but not x264? Confused!
Post by: jacanuck on February 03, 2020, 09:41:00 AM
QUOTE(trankillity @ Jan 16 2008, 08:39 AM)
I managed to stumble across another tutorial almost exactly the same as this one and was able to contact the author about stuttery playback. He narrowed it down to a setting in ffdshow, gave us his reg file and hey presto! No more stuttery encodes!
For anyone who's been getting stuttery encodes with frame drops, take a look at the comments of http://www.ryanwalsh.ca/blog/?p=6 for a solution (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Hey! Thanks for the update, I'm glad your encodes are now working better. The original author of this thread and I narrowed that problem down to ffdshow configurations.
My tutorial (on my blog) was created with permission from the author of this thread, and was created to help anyone new to the forums or this thread, rather than them sifting through 35+ pages of troubleshooting etc.
I'd like to thank chris for becoming very active in this thread as of late, keep up the great work dude!
Post by: chrislynch on February 03, 2020, 11:00:00 AM
QUOTE(andyd @ Jan 16 2008, 07:56 AM)
Maybe I'm misunderstanding but when you say stream it's not streaming to the 360 right? You mentioned in a earlier reply...
Streaming with WMP11: Yes
Streaming wtih WMC (Windows Media Center 2005 or Vista): No
Local play (i.e. DVD, USB drive): Yes
Does that mean I should be able to stream a mp4 file (h264 + LC AAC) to the 360 if I'm using WMP11?
Yes, you can stream an H.264 MP4 video to the Xbox 360, but only using the Media Sharing capabilities with WMP11. The Windows Media Center Extender functionality of the Xbox 360 does not support the H.264 codec, or even Divx/Xvid. Yet.
QUOTE
I'm getting mixed up here - demux an x264 video into an H264 stream? I thought these two were fundamentally different - that the 360 can play H264 but not x264? Confused!
I did not mean to confuse you. The x264 video stream within a Matroska file is what is called a RAW AVC or H.264 video stream. Since the Xbox 360 does not support the Matroska container format, you need to demux the video stream (i.e. take it out of the container.) Mkvdemux is your friend here. Then, you still need to do something with the RAW video stream. This is where Mp4box comes into play.
There is a tool out there that will do this "conversion" for you. It's called GOTsent. I haven't used it. However, I have come across it many times in my research into this endeavor we are all on.
QUOTE
I'd like to thank chris for becoming very active in this thread as of late, keep up the great work dude!
Absolutely. Knowledge is power. But, sharing is the key. We all have our experiences. To share it, makes us all better.
However, I would like to know exactly what setting in ffdshow you tweaked to eliminate the stuttering/jerky issues we all have been reporting. As you most likely have read, I do not use ffdshow, but CoreAVC for x264 support. I may be able to tweak CoreAVC with a similar setting to improve things on my end.
This post has been edited by chrislynch: Yesterday, 07:01 PM
Post by: jacanuck on February 03, 2020, 01:17:00 PM
I'll post the results asap.
My web server is getting hammered suddenly, a lot of people must be monitoring this thread, and or finding it from google. (404 hits in Jan alone on my MKV-WMV article). The easier we can make this entire process the better!
Post by: johnnynuge on January 17, 2008, 08:51:00 PM
QUOTE(mooshoepork @ Jan 12 2008, 06:05 PM)
This will convert .dts to ac3, or whatever (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) worked for me!
google DAudioK (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
DAudioK is awesome. Highly recommended if you're using a codec pack without AC3Filter and having trouble with DTS soundtracks. Thanks Mooshoepork.
To anyone with questions on how to use DAudioK: extract the MKV and DTS audio track in MKVextractGUI, select output to AC3, adjust the AC3 settings accordingly and convert the extracted DTS track (just hit OK if a bunch of popup warnings appear). That's it.
On another note, has everyone checked out http://www.mariposahd.tv/? Free (and legal) WMV-HD videos featuring footage of exotic South American locales and hot latin chicks distributed via bittorrent. Anyone know of any other readily available WMV-HD content floating around the web? Converting MKV to WMV-HD works quite well, but is time-consuming and a slight pain in the ass.
This post has been edited by johnnynuge: Jan 18 2008, 05:08 AM
Post by: chrislynch on January 17, 2008, 11:19:00 PM
QUOTE(millenn @ Jan 17 2008, 07:40 PM)
For adding subtitles in any movie, modify the file movie.avs (available in "My custom TMPGEnc Xpress profile") and add the following code:
in this case i was using V for vendetta, in the DirectShowSource you have to put the movie file (mkv) and in the TextSub the subtitle file (srt,sub)
easy one,
regards
There is another way I stumbled onto today. I haven't tested it, but I don't see a reason why it wouldn't work. In TMPGEnc, after you load the source and you are on the Source window, there is a Filters tab. Click it, then select Edit Filter List. There is a Subtitle option to add to the list. It will only accept SRT-based subtitles.
Post by: Utsi on January 18, 2008, 12:43:00 AM
There's a couple of things I don't understand:
-Why does impimpin use avs-scripts when he's not making any modifications, adding subs etc?
-What exactly does impimpin's custom TMPGEnc profile do, what settings does it affect?
Any luck with the jerky/stuttering issues yet? If someone's getting smooth results, please make a zip-file with your installed components and make it available for download. Or even better, if someone made an automatic installer they'd be heroes.
This post has been edited by Utsi: Jan 18 2008, 08:45 AM
Post by: chrislynch on January 18, 2008, 06:59:00 PM
QUOTE(Utsi @ Jan 18 2008, 12:19 AM)
-Why does impimpin use avs-scripts when he's not making any modifications, adding subs etc?
I don't quite know myself. Other than using AVISynth as a frame server, TMPGEnc will load the DirectShowFilter codec that has the highest priority. i.e. x264/H.264 -> CoreAVC; DTS/AC3 -> AC3Filter.
QUOTE(Utsi @ Jan 18 2008, 12:19 AM)
-What exactly does impimpin's custom TMPGEnc profile do, what settings does it affect?
Any luck with the jerky/stuttering issues yet? If someone's getting smooth results, please make a zip-file with your installed components and make it available for download. Or even better, if someone made an automatic installer they'd be heroes.
His profile is set for WMV 9 Advanced Profile for video, and Windows Media Professional 10 for audio. He has a base starting point for the video and audio bit rate. You should customize this based on a few things:
1. If you want to burn the result to either a DVD5 or DVD9 media, use the Calculator to set the Media to DVD5 or DVD9 and 100% capacity. This will set the bit rate for the video, based on the total amount of frames and the frame rate, so the result will not go beyond the capacity of the DVD media you chose.
Or
2. WVC1 (otherwise known as Windows Media 9 Advanced Profile VC-1) does provide good compression for HD content. However, we are re-encoding compressed video. Without changing the default behavior of the WVC1 codec, you should match the bit rate as close to the original as possible. Why? If not, you may get slow or jerky video in fast scenes. Like car chases (i.e. The Bourne Ultimatum) or the opening producing studios (i.e. Constantine Films), etc.
I am including three profiles:
* My modified 720p profile
* A 1080p without audio profile
* A 1080p with audio profile
This post has been edited by chrislynch: Jan 19 2008, 03:15 AM
Post by: Utsi on January 19, 2008, 05:32:00 AM
Do as Chris says and you will save yourself a lot of pain!
Post by: andyd on January 19, 2008, 07:43:00 AM
QUOTE(chrislynch @ Jan 16 2008, 01:00 PM)
Yes, you can stream an H.264 MP4 video to the Xbox 360, but only using the Media Sharing capabilities with WMP11. The Windows Media Center Extender functionality of the Xbox 360 does not support the H.264 codec, or even Divx/Xvid. Yet.
But then I'm confused as to why my mp4 file won't play on my 360. I'm trying to stream the file from my pc and all I get is a black screen. I've converted a mkv file to mp4 by...
mkvextract to get h264 and ac3 files
belight to convert ac3 to aac
yamb to convert h264 and aac to mp4
file plays perfectly on my pc but doesn't play on my 360
Post by: texagjosh on January 19, 2008, 11:27:00 AM
QUOTE(chrislynch @ Jan 11 2008, 12:08 PM)
With the process I outline, you no longer need to extract the audio. AC3filter will be able to decode the AC3 or DTS audio track in the MKV content.
You are my hero. I have been fighting this for weeks now with some of the DTS movies I have in my conversion queue. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)
Post by: johnnynuge on January 19, 2008, 06:38:00 PM
Good job chrislynch. I think you should start another thread and pin the tutorial.
Post by: chrislynch on January 19, 2008, 06:47:00 PM
You are very welcome guys. I PM'd the author of this thread, and have yet to have him respond. I will post an updated tutorial with the following:
- My Updated procedure on how to convert MKV 720p/1080p content to WMV-HD/WVC1
- How to add subtitles with TMPGEnc for those that want or need to add them
- Upconverting your existing DVD's to WMV 720p, just like the Xbox 360 would if you had it connected to your TV via VGA or HDMI.
I should have it posted by Monday.
@andyd:
QUOTE
But then I'm confused as to why my mp4 file won't play on my 360. I'm trying to stream the file from my pc and all I get is a black screen. I've converted a mkv file to mp4 by...
mkvextract to get h264 and ac3 files
belight to convert ac3 to aac
yamb to convert h264 and aac to mp4
file plays perfectly on my pc but doesn't play on my 360
mkvextract to get h264 and ac3 files
belight to convert ac3 to aac
yamb to convert h264 and aac to mp4
file plays perfectly on my pc but doesn't play on my 360
Hmm.... Good question. Can you PM me a DEBUG level report from MediaInfo?
The only problem I could potentially see is if the bitrate is too high. I know that Microsoft has only tested H.264 encoded content with lower bitrates than what you would normally see in WMV-HD/WVC1 encoded content.
I personally have not attempted this, as I want to maintain surround sound, and not downgrade it to low quality 2-channel audio.
This post has been edited by chrislynch: Jan 20 2008, 02:58 AM
Post by: impimpin206 on January 19, 2008, 07:20:00 PM
QUOTE(Utsi @ Jan 18 2008, 12:19 AM)
Thank you Chris for valuable input. I've uninstalled everything and installed the components you recommended and am now able to convert 1080p mkvs without the "50% crash", and without manually converting DTS to AC3. I do, however, get jerky video, even after setting fps to 24. I've made several attempts.
There's a couple of things I don't understand:
-Why does impimpin use avs-scripts when he's not making any modifications, adding subs etc?
-What exactly does impimpin's custom TMPGEnc profile do, what settings does it affect?
Any luck with the jerky/stuttering issues yet? If someone's getting smooth results, please make a zip-file with your installed components and make it available for download. Or even better, if someone made an automatic installer they'd be heroes.
Using Avisynth to frameserve fixed jerky video issues for many. There's nothing in the profile you can't set manually, I just wanted it to be done with as few steps as possible. Other studder tends to come from ffdshow. I've got a registry file to fix those configuration issues. The problem is most people for some reason aren't using ffdshow-tryouts. Do others work? Yes. Am I going to help find the problems with every different codec release, which are built NIGHTLY? Fuck no.
To chrislynch, write your own tutorial don't re-write mine. I've written an updated version of this, just can't update my post. Also written HD-DVD to WMV tutorial and Blu-Ray to WMV tutorial. I'm going to put them all together as a PDF.
This post has been edited by impimpin206: Jan 20 2008, 03:22 AM
Post by: chrislynch on January 19, 2008, 09:13:00 PM
QUOTE(andyd @ Jan 19 2008, 07:19 AM)
But then I'm confused as to why my mp4 file won't play on my 360. I'm trying to stream the file from my pc and all I get is a black screen. I've converted a mkv file to mp4 by...
mkvextract to get h264 and ac3 files
belight to convert ac3 to aac
yamb to convert h264 and aac to mp4
file plays perfectly on my pc but doesn't play on my 360
Oh, one more thing. I forgot to mention that WMP11 does not know how to handle MP4 files to network clients. This obviously includes the Xbox 360. Copy and paste the following into Notepad and save it as MP4_WMP11.reg:
CODE
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.mp4]
"PerceivedType"="video"
"Content Type"="video/mp4"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Multimedia\WMPlayer\Extensions\.mp4]
"Runtime"=dword:00000007
"Permissions"=dword:0000000f
"UserApprovedOwning"="yes"
"PerceivedType"="video"
"Content Type"="video/mp4"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Multimedia\WMPlayer\Extensions\.mp4]
"Runtime"=dword:00000007
"Permissions"=dword:0000000f
"UserApprovedOwning"="yes"
Then, double-click the file from Windows Explorer. This will add the above Registry settings so WMP11 can stream MP4 files to network clients.
@impimpin:
QUOTE
Using Avisynth to frameserve fixed jerky video issues for many. There's nothing in the profile you can't set manually, I just wanted it to be done with as few steps as possible. Other studder tends to come from ffdshow. I've got a registry file to fix those configuration issues. The problem is most people for some reason aren't using ffdshow-tryouts. Do others work? Yes. Am I going to help find the problems with every different codec release, which are built NIGHTLY? Fuck no.
To chrislynch, write your own tutorial don't re-write mine. I've written an updated version of this, just can't update my post. Also written HD-DVD to WMV tutorial and Blu-Ray to WMV tutorial. I'm going to put them all together as a PDF.
To chrislynch, write your own tutorial don't re-write mine. I've written an updated version of this, just can't update my post. Also written HD-DVD to WMV tutorial and Blu-Ray to WMV tutorial. I'm going to put them all together as a PDF.
I'm not sure if your comments have been directed at me. But, I did not come here (like other have in earlier posts) telling you that there are "better" ways of doing this. Are there multiple ways of accomplishing the same task? Of course. Does my assistance, guidance or knowledge dictate, or should elicit an obscene remark from you or anyone else? No.
I joined this form to help post my findings and offer my experience to the matter at hand. Does everyone benefit? I hope so. I hope everyone who reads this thread can benefit from the insight everyone posts here. Otherwise, we all would be stuck with problems, and be ripping our hair out, cursing at ourselves.
Trust me when I say this. I know how much work is involved with writing up a tutorial/guide on how to do something. I do the same thing for my customers as part of my job. Do not take this personal. And before you respond with "I'm not taking this personal," you are. No flaming intended.
This post has been edited by chrislynch: Jan 20 2008, 05:31 AM
Post by: impimpin206 on January 20, 2008, 02:14:00 AM
There's a couple of things I don't understand:
-Why does impimpin use avs-scripts when he's not making any modifications, adding subs etc?
-What exactly does impimpin's custom TMPGEnc profile do, what settings does it affect?
Post by: Utsi on January 21, 2008, 12:24:00 AM
Post by: JamesRaby on January 21, 2008, 03:27:00 AM
Post by: chrislynch on January 21, 2008, 10:46:00 AM
QUOTE(JamesRaby @ Jan 21 2008, 03:03 AM)
Hi, sorry to ask but for the first 10 minutes on each encode its stuttery, its done this on 3 encodes, after 10 mins its perfectly fine, any ideas out there?
Search is your friend. This has been discussed numerous times so far.
If you are using ffdshow-tryouts, then the issue is with the codec settings. There is a reg file you can obtain to fix this. Again, search is your friend.
If you are using CoreAVC (which I am), then you need to change the Source Frame Rate to 24fps (most likely.) You may have to play around with different Source Frame Rates. However, 24fps works the majority of the time. In the Format section, you can leave the Frame Rate as the same as the source. Or, you can change it to 23.976.
Also, disable Video RAM Cache. I have posted on how to do this. There is no benefit to enable this unless you have slow IDE 5400 RPM disks and a really slow CPU. Well, if you do, then encoding HD content is impracticable on that type of H/W.
Post by: will2learn on January 21, 2008, 11:22:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Jan 20 2008, 03:56 AM)
To chrislynch, write your own tutorial don't re-write mine. I've written an updated version of this, just can't update my post. Also written HD-DVD to WMV tutorial and Blu-Ray to WMV tutorial. I'm going to put them all together as a PDF.
impimpin206-this is a great tutorial-I don't understand why Xbox Scene won't let you update the original post-makes no sense to me! I actually check this topic 3x a day. I follow another tutorial on audio extraction on another site and the tutorial is updated on the first post on a regular basis each time a new release comes out-which is almost weekly.
Finally bought TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0-but as I have few mkv files-I have been waiting patiently for your tutorial for HD DVD to WMV & BluRay to WMV as you had earlier advised that you were working on them.
These should likely be posted under a new thread for each?
If the updates to MKV to WMV cover issues up to the present-maybe an entire new thread MKV to WMV should be started with your updated Tutorial as Post 1 (if it can't be updated). I've been keeping a running word file & only add to it if its a new issue. It is obvious from following this thread that there are not a substantial number of issues that have arisen once the proper codecs etc. have been installed.
As to your comments to chrislynch-I'm sure that neither he nor any of the others that rely on your expertise on this topic knew that you have updates but are unable to update the original tutorial. I believe you mentioned months ago as to updates-but I for one assumed that you were just really busy and have been waiting patiently for any updates & the new tutorials above.
Anyway, thanks again-I know your hard work, dedication and effort is greatly appreciated by myself & others, including chrislynch. It sounds like he has some expertise that if correct only enhances your thread & possibly removes from you the burden of answering questions from people that obviously are too lazy to read the entire posts. I know that on the other audio post I follow there are 3 or 4 very knowledgeable people that certainly add to the knowledge of the thread but the ultimate anwer or any corrections comes from the author of the tutorial.
will2learn (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
This post has been edited by will2learn: Jan 21 2008, 07:25 PM
Post by: Italian_Guitar on January 22, 2008, 08:09:00 AM
I've done about 10 movies without a problem, burned into a dvd+dl and played via xbox.
Last night i was wacthing this movie:
Corpse Bride
1920x1040
video bitrate 11000 cbr wmv 9 advanced profile
dolby 5.1 professional 768 cbr
with a Xbox connected via component to a Samsung 47" FullHD 1080p (not my own tv)
The movie works great but sometimes the screen goes black for a second
Even other movies (720p or 1080p) have this issue.
Setting the component output to 1080i/720p there was no problem, no black screen.
So, did anyone notice this?
It's sad to encode at 1080p and watch at 720p.. I've better do a 720p movie instead.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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Post by: will2learn on January 22, 2008, 08:56:00 AM
Thank you for this guide man, it works all perfectly.
I've done about 10 movies without a problem, burned into a dvd+dl and played via xbox.
Tutorial works great-can you describe in detail your burning method-did you create an iso-what programs did you use prior to burning and burning? I have been unable to get the Xbox to play a dvd+dl created from the output created by this tutorial. Thanks
will2learn
Post by: jacanuck on January 22, 2008, 11:54:00 AM
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Post by: Italian_Guitar on January 22, 2008, 05:43:00 PM
will2learn
I loaded the .mkv file with tmpgenc 4 xpress, without avisynth (movie.avs), and the audio part from the .ac3 file (demuxed with MKVextractGUI)
Encoded in wmv 9 advanced profile (cbr <11000), audio 5.1 professional (cbr 768).
Burned the .wmv file into a Dvd-UDF with "xbox combatibility" activated (udf options, nero 7)
This post has been edited by Italian_Guitar: Jan 23 2008, 01:45 AM
Post by: Obveron on January 23, 2008, 07:16:00 AM
I've read every post in this thread, still not sure what's the solution for jitter.
Any response would be greatly apreciated.
I am encoding straight from the MKV in Tmpgenc.
I'm setting my resolution for 1920 x 800 and my FPS to 23.976.
I've tried 2 pass ABR and 1 pass CPR (11000bps).
Aways get jitter.
This post has been edited by Obveron: Jan 23 2008, 03:17 PM
Post by: Obveron on January 23, 2008, 08:02:00 AM
make that 11000kbps
Post by: chrislynch on January 23, 2008, 08:20:00 AM
QUOTE(Obveron @ Jan 23 2008, 07:38 AM)
gah can't edit.
make that 11000kbps
You should set the Source to 24fps, and the Format to either 24fps or 23.976fps. This is if you are using CoreAVC to decode the x264 video stream in the MKV content you have.
@Italian_Guitar:
Sorry. Can't help you there. I have a D-Link 802.11n HD bridge to stream my content to my 360 without needing to burn to a DVD.
Post by: impimpin206 on January 23, 2008, 01:16:00 PM
Post by: Obveron on January 23, 2008, 06:43:00 PM
QUOTE(chrislynch @ Jan 23 2008, 04:56 PM)
You should set the Source to 24fps, and the Format to either 24fps or 23.976fps. This is if you are using CoreAVC to decode the x264 video stream in the MKV content you have.
Ok thanks. I'll try that and report if it helps. Yes, I am using Coreavc to decode the mkv.
Post by: Obveron on January 24, 2008, 07:31:00 AM
My wmv is now jitter free. I set the source to 24fps, and the format to 23.976fps.
Now, another quick question. I'd like to also add subtitles to the WMV, do they have to be hardcoded?
I mean I know how to add a sub to an avs file. But I'd like the WMV to have multiple language subtitles, and a way to turn off and on the desired subtitle stream on the 360.
Is that possible?
This post has been edited by Obveron: Jan 24 2008, 03:44 PM
Post by: Obveron on January 24, 2008, 11:06:00 AM
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Post by: nama8137 on January 24, 2008, 04:55:00 PM
Post by: chrislynch on January 24, 2008, 06:03:00 PM
QUOTE(nama8137 @ Jan 24 2008, 04:31 PM)
chrislynch, how do i configure TMPGEnc so that it uses CoreAVC and not ffdshow?
Well, I would recommend that you remove ffdshow. If that's not possible, then do the following:
Open the "ffdshow video decoder configuration" application. Under the 'Codecs' section, look for "H.264/AVC." Change the "Decoder" value to "DISABLED." Then, open the "CoreAVC Video Decoder Properties" (otherwise known as "Configure CoreAVC"), and make sure the "Preferred Decoder" checkmark option is selected. Save your settings.
Just to verify that the CoreAVC codec is being used, you can always fire up Process Explorer from Sysinternals, look at the properties of the TMPGENC4XPBATCH.EXE process (if you are using the Batch tool) or TMPGENC4XP.EXE process (if you are using the main application,) and click on the "Threads" tab. You should see however many instances of "CoreAVCDecoder.ax!<some_other_text>" for each CPU core you have. This is the CoreAVC codec being used.
Getting subs to display in your video is not easy. First off, WMV (or otherwise known as an ASF container) does not support any other types of streams (or what Microsoft calls Audiences) than Video and Audio. Subs will need to be hardcoded (or burnt into the final video.) TMPGEnc has a filter that will load SRT subs, but I have not tested it myself. Of course, you could use AVISynth to feed the subs. But, then you are back to extracting the audio, or trying to get AVISynth to serve the audio and video from the same AVS script.
Post by: chrislynch on January 24, 2008, 06:34:00 PM
Pegasys just updated TMPGEnc today, and it appears to have better SRT support. Check it out:
http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/download/te4xp_rireki.html
Post by: whozyodaddy on January 25, 2008, 06:48:00 PM
I was so frustrated trying EVERY program and method to convert my .mkv's to work on the 360, and with each one hopelessness grew on me like a fungus!
Now I can covert ANY form of media to play on my 360, even though I'm only interested in converting matroska files. I sit back, smile, and watch my high definition matroska files on my 92" screen. Great quality.
What's my sweet secret for success?
I use mkvmerge to split the file if it is larger than about 4.4 gigs, so I will be able to burn it on a DVD (I use Nero 7 to burn). Also I believe playback will be better on the 360 if the files aren't too large.
After splitting the .mkv, I load it up in XviD4PSP to convert it to a .AVI. The reason I do NOT use the .mp4 profile is because the 360 can ONLY play .mp4 files using 2-channel audio. So if you want to keep the surround sound, DO NOT use the .mp4 profile. I choose to encode it with highest quality settings for 2-pass encoding (vhq processing change to 3). I encode based on size, and set the program to output it at 1gb higher for every 2gb the original file is, due to the program encoding .AVI's at a much smaller file size than the .mkv (if the original .mkv is 4gb, make size like 6gb or so, it will end up only being 3.5gb or so). Personally, I choose to DISABLE audio encoding. I just extract the audio manually through mkvextract, and then mux the .avi and the .ac3 file with avi-mux GUI.
Have fun watching matroska files on your 360!
Post by: mickey797 on January 28, 2008, 08:49:00 AM
Alright, I'm getting a little confused here. Primarily because reading through these 43 pages, there seems to be TWO Methods running concurrently - with some correlation. One by OP impimpin206, and the other by Chrislynch - which seems to be coming in widely acceptance.
I have one question that should be easy to answer - Can I use Vista Codec Package instead of CoreAVC Pro? It comes with Haali Splitter & AC3 Filter.
The other thing is, I want to run down the process as I understand it - and someone can possibly correct me. I'm inclined to using Chrislynch's process, just because it sounds simpler.
Assuming I've configured settings in TMPGEnc Xpress, AC3 Filter and all as recommended by Chrislynch:
All I need is
- TMPGEnc Xpress 4
- Chrislynch's 720p Template Profile for TMPGEnc Xpress
- Vista Codecs Package + AC3 Filter + Haali Media Splitter
- Open TMPGEnc Xpress 4
- Load the MKV File I have in the "Source Video".
- Load Nothing in the "Source Audio"
- Change frame rate to 29.97
- Go to 'Format' and click 'Browse' to load Chrislynch's 720p Template Profile
- You can either leave the output as 23.976 or change it to 29.97 Progressive
- Match the Size (Width X Height Pixels) to Source File
- Hit Calculator, Set your output size to 100% of media (DVD5 or DVD9) and push OK.
- Set "Video Encode Type" to "2 Pass VBR"
- If there is NO need for subtitles - Encode!
- Burn the resultant file to DVD as "DATA DVD" and play in HD-DVD Add On!
Does that sound about right? Am I missing anything?
Thanks!
PS: System is Core 2 Duo E6420, 2GB Dual Channel 667 PC-5400 RAM, Radeon X1950PRO 256MB
Post by: lphelps on January 28, 2008, 01:56:00 PM
Post by: chrislynch on January 28, 2008, 05:43:00 PM
QUOTE(mickey797 @ Jan 28 2008, 08:25 AM)
Alright, I'm getting a little confused here. Primarily because reading through these 43 pages, there seems to be TWO Methods running concurrently - with some correlation. One by OP impimpin206, and the other by Chrislynch - which seems to be coming in widely acceptance.
I have one question that should be easy to answer - Can I use Vista Codec Package instead of CoreAVC Pro? It comes with Haali Splitter & AC3 Filter.
The other thing is, I want to run down the process as I understand it - and someone can possibly correct me. I'm inclined to using Chrislynch's process, just because it sounds simpler.
Assuming I've configured settings in TMPGEnc Xpress, AC3 Filter and all as recommended by Chrislynch:
All I need is
- TMPGEnc Xpress 4
- Chrislynch's 720p Template Profile for TMPGEnc Xpress
- Vista Codecs Package + AC3 Filter + Haali Media Splitter
- Open TMPGEnc Xpress 4
- Load the MKV File I have in the "Source Video".
- Load Nothing in the "Source Audio"
- Change frame rate to 29.97
- Go to 'Format' and click 'Browse' to load Chrislynch's 720p Template Profile
- You can either leave the output as 23.976 or change it to 29.97 Progressive
- Match the Size (Width X Height Pixels) to Source File
- Hit Calculator, Set your output size to 100% of media (DVD5 or DVD9) and push OK.
- Set "Video Encode Type" to "2 Pass VBR"
- If there is NO need for subtitles - Encode!
- Burn the resultant file to DVD as "DATA DVD" and play in HD-DVD Add On!
Does that sound about right? Am I missing anything?
Thanks!
PS: System is Core 2 Duo E6420, 2GB Dual Channel 667 PC-5400 RAM, Radeon X1950PRO 256MB
Sort of. I fully recommend removing the codec pack you have installed, and use only CoreAVC, AC3Filter and Haali Media Splitter. IF you paid the $100 for TMPGenc (and not downloaded a warez version), you can spead $15 on the codec.
For the Source Video, change the Framerate to 24 fps, not 29.97. 24fps is the "magic number." Then, on the Output, change it to 23.976, or you can leave it 24fps. That's completely up to you. All motion video (excluding games) is 23.976fps.
Look for my "official" tutorial tomorrow. I'll create a new post in these forums.
@lphelps:
That all depends on what your PC hardware contains. For instance, I have an Intel Q6600 OC'd to 3Ghz, and 4GB PC6400 running Windows Vista 32-bit. I can re-encode 1080p video (90min on average) at 9mbps bitrate in about 9 hours. It can take about 16-18 hours for 90min to 120min 1080p video at 12mbps.
720p is usually 4-5 hours for a 90min video at 6mbps. A 40min show at 720p, under 2 hours.
The "how long does it take" question cannot be answered to an exact number. It's all going to depend on a the different number of factors that I have already outlined:
- CPU Speed and Qty. The more CPUs/cores you have in your system, the better the WM9 codec engine will work. It is optimized for 4 threads per encode session. If you have 2 CPUs or cores, then the WM9 engine will only create 2 threads.
- Source video resolution (720p vs. 1080p)
- Output video resolutino (720p vs. 1080p)
- Output bitrate (in kilobits or megabits per second; you usually want to keep this number as close to the source as possible.)
Post by: mickey797 on January 28, 2008, 06:25:00 PM
QUOTE(chrislynch @ Jan 29 2008, 02:19 AM)
For the Source Video, change the Framerate to 24 fps, not 29.97. 24fps is the "magic number." Then, on the Output, change it to 23.976, or you can leave it 24fps. That's completely up to you. All motion video (excluding games) is 23.976fps.
Is there a reason for 24fps to be the "magic number"? I'll certainly note that change and implement it when I encode the first Video.
One important Question that I forgot to ask which I noticed when I was looking at the TMPGEnc Xpress Encode screen - the "Video Encode Type" - What's recommended - CBR or 2-Pass VBR? Is there really any benefit in this situation to use 2-Pass VBR?
Thanks!
Post by: chrislynch on January 28, 2008, 11:15:00 PM
QUOTE(mickey797 @ Jan 28 2008, 06:01 PM)
Is there a reason for 24fps to be the "magic number"? I'll certainly note that change and implement it when I encode the first Video.
One important Question that I forgot to ask which I noticed when I was looking at the TMPGEnc Xpress Encode screen - the "Video Encode Type" - What's recommended - CBR or 2-Pass VBR? Is there really any benefit in this situation to use 2-Pass VBR?
Thanks!
I haven't figured out why 24fps is the magic number. It just so happens to be. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
As for the difference between CBR and VBR, there can be a huge difference. If you simply want to encode a video quicker, you can certainly opt for CBR over VBR. Only having to do a single pass is certainly faster. However, at the potential expense of fast moving objects in the frame or series of frames.
What I mean is this:
VBR takes into account for not only scenes that have little motion (i.e. two old ladies sitting in chairs talking to each other), but also those scenes in the same movie with fast motion (i.e. where the same two old ladies whip out some heavy artillery and begin shooting up the place, then jump into their own cars and put on a chase that puts the movie Jade's car chase to shame.) Each scene has it's own amount of video data, and limiting not only the maximum bitrate, but using CBR, the encoding engine may miss some video data, thus the scene either becomes slow or choppy. Or both.
Now, can CBR provide a quality video? Yes. It just depends on what the source is made up of. I always pick 2-pass VBR. Because this always generates a quality encode. If you are going to spend 6 hours or more with the encode, you are better off using 2-pass VBR.
Post by: mickey797 on January 29, 2008, 06:07:00 AM
QUOTE(chrislynch @ Jan 29 2008, 07:51 AM)
I haven't figured out why 24fps is the magic number. It just so happens to be. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
As for the difference between CBR and VBR, there can be a huge difference. If you simply want to encode a video quicker, you can certainly opt for CBR over VBR. Only having to do a single pass is certainly faster. However, at the potential expense of fast moving objects in the frame or series of frames.
What I mean is this:
VBR takes into account for not only scenes that have little motion (i.e. two old ladies sitting in chairs talking to each other), but also those scenes in the same movie with fast motion (i.e. where the same two old ladies whip out some heavy artillery and begin shooting up the place, then jump into their own cars and put on a chase that puts the movie Jade's car chase to shame.) Each scene has it's own amount of video data, and limiting not only the maximum bitrate, but using CBR, the encoding engine may miss some video data, thus the scene either becomes slow or choppy. Or both.
Now, can CBR provide a quality video? Yes. It just depends on what the source is made up of. I always pick 2-pass VBR. Because this always generates a quality encode. If you are going to spend 6 hours or more with the encode, you are better off using 2-pass VBR.
Dude, do you have a thing for 'old ladies'? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Just Kidding! That was hilarious!
Anyhow, I get your point. And I understand why the 2-Pass VBR is recommended.
I started a 1hr 35m video (high action) last night on encode using your method. It was still running this morning at 6 am. I think it was 10 hours into it's procedure. I used 2-Pass VBR, and did use the magic 24fps.
I'll definitely look forward to your Official Tutorial, but I think I get the idea now.
Tell me something, if I have a WMV-HD (WVC1/5.1) - how do I play it in my HD-DVD Add On? Do I just burn the files as Data using Nero and plop it in the drive?
Thanks!
Post by: John_1975 on January 29, 2008, 06:34:00 AM
Q1:
Could someone please help explain how to squeeze the max res of an mkv converted to play on a 360 with minimal loss. Needing to know the way to do it to get max quality. Stream, USB drive, etc.. File size limits, bitrate limits. I know it's been touched on but it gets lost in the lengthy thread going on here. I'm successful with mp4 but now trying for more quality using WMV.
A1 (love that sauce, try Adolf's meat marinade for the most tender steak you've ever had! lol):
Q2:
I eventually will go to external drive if it allows more data through. Is this so?
A2:
Many thanks,
John
This post has been edited by John_1975: Jan 29 2008, 02:38 PM
Post by: chrislynch on January 29, 2008, 09:27:00 AM
QUOTE(mickey797 @ Jan 29 2008, 05:43 AM)
Dude, do you have a thing for 'old ladies'? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Just Kidding! That was hilarious!
Anyhow, I get your point. And I understand why the 2-Pass VBR is recommended.
I started a 1hr 35m video (high action) last night on encode using your method. It was still running this morning at 6 am. I think it was 10 hours into it's procedure. I used 2-Pass VBR, and did use the magic 24fps.
I'll definitely look forward to your Official Tutorial, but I think I get the idea now.
Tell me something, if I have a WMV-HD (WVC1/5.1) - how do I play it in my HD-DVD Add On? Do I just burn the files as Data using Nero and plop it in the drive?
Thanks!
Nah, it was late last night when I wrote it, and I tend to get a "little" loopy.
Do not confuse what we are doing here with your HD-DVD add-on drive and being able to play HD-DVD's. What we are creating is in no way equivilent to an HD-DVD. You can burn the file to either DVD5 or DVD9 media, and insert it into either the DVD or HD-DVD drive. The HD-DVD drive is quieter when watching movies, so that may be the reasoning behind your question.
@John_1975:
QUOTE
I tried a ten second sample using the method in the first post of this thread and the audio was out of sync pretty bad. I was streaming to the XBox from a PC. The original mkv had 10850 kbps in the video and around 1536 (I think) in the audio. I set the video Peak to 14999 because I read about a max of 15000 for WMV on the XBox (probably not right to do that) and set the Average bitrate at 10850 kbps. Audio was set at 192. I don't care about 5.1 because I don't have the system for it but I kept it anyway for the future. The ten second file played well and vid looks good but audio was way out of time. The source is 1080p and I'm trying to save every little bit of info so I can see the max res of my new HDTV. Oh, also the source audio in the mkv was DTS and not AC3.
Q1: Could someone please help explain how to squeeze the max res of an mkv converted to play on a 360 with minimal loss. Needing to know the way to do it to get max quality. Stream, USB drive, etc.. File size limits, bitrate limits. I know it's been touched on but it gets lost in the lengthy thread going on here. I'm successful with mp4 but now trying for more quality using WMV.
Q1: Could someone please help explain how to squeeze the max res of an mkv converted to play on a 360 with minimal loss. Needing to know the way to do it to get max quality. Stream, USB drive, etc.. File size limits, bitrate limits. I know it's been touched on but it gets lost in the lengthy thread going on here. I'm successful with mp4 but now trying for more quality using WMV.
First off, you are *not* going to get any better quality then what the source can provide. Using higher bitrates that what the source uses does no good for you what-so-ever. Lower the bitrate to match the source.
I'm going to assume you are using wireless, specifically 802.11g, as you have not stated how your Xbox is connected to your network. 802.11g can provide a lot of bandwidth and throughput, however it does so at an expense: Latency. You are using 1080p content, that needs a minimum constant bitrate of 8-15Mbps. 802.11g cannot provide the low latency you need. 802.11a could. However, you are then trading latency for bandwidth.
I suggest you either run a physical cable for 100Mb conenctivity, or look at the D-Link HD Media Bridge. The D-Link HD Bridge uses 802.11n Draft, and can provide that low latency, high bandwidth you need to stream 1080p content. I have them, and love them. I can stream 1080p content from my PC to my Xbox, and download On Demand content from DirecTV to my HD DVR at the same time.
QUOTE
Q2: I eventually will go to external drive if it allows more data through. Is this so?
Yes, it is. However, you then run into a slight issue. The Xbox 360 can only support two filesystems (not including DVD and HD-DVD, which are UDF or Joliett ISO-1996) FAT16/FAT32 and HFS+. If you have a video file that is larger than 4GB in size (i.e. 720p 90min or greater, or 1080p of almost any length of time), you are well over that 4GB file size limit. You are left with two choices:
1. Burn to DVD5/DVD9/HD-DVD
or
2. Use the HFS+ filesystem (thanks to the iPod codec add-on from Microsoft to support Mac iPods, which use HFS+ as the filesystem)
There is a tool out there that you can purchase that will give you the ability to Read and Write to HFS+ drives from Windows. Do a Google search for "HFS+ Windows" and you will find it.
Post by: mickey797 on January 29, 2008, 12:37:00 PM
QUOTE(chrislynch @ Jan 29 2008, 06:03 PM)
Do not confuse what we are doing here with your HD-DVD add-on drive and being able to play HD-DVD's. What we are creating is in no way equivilent to an HD-DVD. You can burn the file to either DVD5 or DVD9 media, and insert it into either the DVD or HD-DVD drive. The HD-DVD drive is quieter when watching movies, so that may be the reasoning behind your question.
Bingo! Actually it's not just the noise - it's just that besides Gaming & Game Discs, I don't really like playing anything else in my 360 drive. And besides, since I do have an HD-DVD Add On, and very few HD-DVD's, I'd rather put that drive to work, especially since it'll play the WVC1.
But anyhow, coming back to my original question - is there anything I need to know before I burn the files to DVD? Do I just burn them as Data using Nero? Any special parameters or anything I need to know?
This post has been edited by mickey797: Jan 29 2008, 08:38 PM
Post by: chrislynch on January 29, 2008, 01:28:00 PM
QUOTE(mickey797 @ Jan 29 2008, 12:13 PM)
Bingo! Actually it's not just the noise - it's just that besides Gaming & Game Discs, I don't really like playing anything else in my 360 drive. And besides, since I do have an HD-DVD Add On, and very few HD-DVD's, I'd rather put that drive to work, especially since it'll play the WVC1.
But anyhow, coming back to my original question - is there anything I need to know before I burn the files to DVD? Do I just burn them as Data using Nero? Any special parameters or anything I need to know?
If you use Nero Burning ROM, select DVD, then DVD_ROM (UDF), and you should be good to go.
You can use the built-in DVD drive to play your WMV content. Having the HD-DVD drive will not provide any additional functionality or support, other than playing HD-DVD disks. The WVC1 codec is built into the dashboard firmware, not the HD-DVD drive. I just don't want other people thinking that you *must* have the HD-DVD drive to play WVC1 video on a DVD.
Post by: mickey797 on January 29, 2008, 01:49:00 PM
QUOTE(chrislynch @ Jan 29 2008, 10:04 PM)
If you use Nero Burning ROM, select DVD, then DVD_ROM (UDF), and you should be good to go.
You can use the built-in DVD drive to play your WMV content. Having the HD-DVD drive will not provide any additional functionality or support, other than playing HD-DVD disks. The WVC1 codec is built into the dashboard firmware, not the HD-DVD drive. I just don't want other people thinking that you *must* have the HD-DVD drive to play WVC1 video on a DVD.
Oh I totally understand that - That's entirely my own choice - and I can see why you're clarifying that. I don't want anyone else to think that they *need* to play it in the HD-DVD Add On either.
Thanks for the tip on burning. I'll be using the Nero Burning ROM so I'll select DVD_ROM (UDF).
I'll probably be testing my first encode/burn later today evening. I'll report back.
Thanks a ton - this wouldn't have been possible without your efforts & help.
This post has been edited by mickey797: Jan 29 2008, 09:50 PM
Post by: John_1975 on January 29, 2008, 06:25:00 PM
QUOTE
First off, you are *not* going to get any better quality then what the source can provide. Using higher bitrates that what the source uses does no good for you what-so-ever. Lower the bitrate to match the source.
I understand that now. What is a good tool for figuring out the source bitrate of an mkv file?
QUOTE
I'm going to assume you are using wireless, specifically 802.11g, as you have not stated how your Xbox is connected to your network. 802.11g can provide a lot of bandwidth and throughput, however it does so at an expense: Latency. You are using 1080p content, that needs a minimum constant bitrate of 8-15Mbps. 802.11g cannot provide the low latency you need. 802.11a could. However, you are then trading latency for bandwidth.
I have a linky wrt-350n with dd-wrt firmware and it does a decent job but when the bitrate spikes the video dumps out. I also have a super long cable and taht works well. In the end I think I'm going to hook a WD MyBook World Edition II to the xBox and have it connected to the network over the rj45 and to the XBox over the USB. This way I should be able to transfer and watch without unhooking anything. Streaming isn't necessarily crucial. Gettting the most from the source to the XBox is.
Also I have already verified that HFS+ will work with TransMac on a 4GB thumb so this is how I intend to operate.
Thank you for you answers.
I would like to move on to recommended max settings for WMV. If someone could point out the most highly rated methods for converting mkv with dts or ac3 audio to wmv. What I'm after is a quick understanding of this so I don't have to lose to many more nights on it.
Post by: chrislynch on January 29, 2008, 11:06:00 PM
QUOTE(John_1975 @ Jan 29 2008, 06:01 PM)
I understand that now. What is a good tool for figuring out the source bitrate of an mkv file?
I have a linky wrt-350n with dd-wrt firmware and it does a decent job but when the bitrate spikes the video dumps out. I also have a super long cable and taht works well. In the end I think I'm going to hook a WD MyBook World Edition II to the xBox and have it connected to the network over the rj45 and to the XBox over the USB. This way I should be able to transfer and watch without unhooking anything. Streaming isn't necessarily crucial. Gettting the most from the source to the XBox is.
Also I have already verified that HFS+ will work with TransMac on a 4GB thumb so this is how I intend to operate.
Thank you for you answers.
I would like to move on to recommended max settings for WMV. If someone could point out the most highly rated methods for converting mkv with dts or ac3 audio to wmv. What I'm after is a quick understanding of this so I don't have to lose to many more nights on it.
As I have posted already numerous times, MediaInfo is the tool you want to use.
Well, I could re-hash everything I have posted thus far. Or you can use the search button. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Or, you can wait until tomorrow as I will post a new thread with a link to my guide on this very subject. PM me if you want an early copy.
Post by: bling20 on January 29, 2008, 11:17:00 PM
Can someone help me with this i just dont understand
This post has been edited by bling20: Jan 30 2008, 07:18 AM
Post by: chrislynch on January 29, 2008, 11:22:00 PM
Check your PM.
Post by: RDJ on January 30, 2008, 03:43:00 AM
QUOTE(whozyodaddy @ Jan 26 2008, 02:24 AM)
Guys, I finally found a solution that has worked 100% of the time for me.
I was so frustrated trying EVERY program and method to convert my .mkv's to work on the 360, and with each one hopelessness grew on me like a fungus!
Now I can covert ANY form of media to play on my 360, even though I'm only interested in converting matroska files. I sit back, smile, and watch my high definition matroska files on my 92" screen. Great quality.
What's my sweet secret for success?
I use mkvmerge to split the file if it is larger than about 4.4 gigs, so I will be able to burn it on a DVD (I use Nero 7 to burn). Also I believe playback will be better on the 360 if the files aren't too large.
After splitting the .mkv, I load it up in XviD4PSP to convert it to a .AVI. The reason I do NOT use the .mp4 profile is because the 360 can ONLY play .mp4 files using 2-channel audio. So if you want to keep the surround sound, DO NOT use the .mp4 profile. I choose to encode it with highest quality settings for 2-pass encoding (vhq processing change to 3). I encode based on size, and set the program to output it at 1gb higher for every 2gb the original file is, due to the program encoding .AVI's at a much smaller file size than the .mkv (if the original .mkv is 4gb, make size like 6gb or so, it will end up only being 3.5gb or so). Personally, I choose to DISABLE audio encoding. I just extract the audio manually through mkvextract, and then mux the .avi and the .ac3 file with avi-mux GUI.
Have fun watching matroska files on your 360!
Since I am trying almost all methods to convert HD content to Xbox360 readable content I also tried the above method. And to my surprise it works great. You dont even have to mux the audio at the end. Just copy the audio source to the avi (is an option in the program) and in my case it worked. I kept the dolby digital audio. This only works if you have the december update of course so you can play the Divx format xvid4PSP creates.
For Quality improvement I changed some small things (Quantizer->3 B-frames -> 2).
I tested this last night on a 720p Pixar movie. Even after zooming in I can not find any quality loss.
Except.... black is not really black anymore, more like very dark grey. Codec issue?? I have to get in to that.
The encoding worked quite fast on my Dell XPS (like 150% of the original movie lenght).
There is a convert to WMV option in the program but this also lackes the support of adding AC3 sound to the WMV file.
I have requested the Xvid4PSP development team to include WMV-AC1 support WITH AC3.
Just like with the AVI with an copy possibility so we can keep the sound quality and channels.
TmpGenc was my first choice but this seems a bit more handy procedure.
This post has been edited by RDJ: Jan 30 2008, 11:55 AM
Post by: mickey797 on January 30, 2008, 06:26:00 AM
Reporting back: Chrislynch's method works! Flawless!! I converted a 720p x264 video clip into WMV-HD VC1/5.1 and played it over the network - Excellent HD Quality. Took more then 10 hours for the encode - but did the job well.
The only problem I'm facing now is, when I burnt it to a DVD5 using Nero Burning Rom (DVD_ROM UDF), the disc plays fine in my XBOX 360 tray - but it won't play in my HD-DVD Add On - says "Unplayable Disc". I have no clue why. I've opened a detailed post here (http://forums.xbox-s...&f=167&t=639653) if anyone can help me out play the WMV-HD in the HD-DVD Add On.
Thanks!
Post by: Killerchronic on January 30, 2008, 11:44:00 AM
Post by: jacanuck on January 30, 2008, 02:26:00 PM
QUOTE(mickey797 @ Jan 30 2008, 09:02 AM)
The only problem I'm facing now is, when I burnt it to a DVD5 using Nero Burning Rom (DVD_ROM UDF), the disc plays fine in my XBOX 360 tray - but it won't play in my HD-DVD Add On - says "Unplayable Disc". I have no clue why. I've opened a detailed post here (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?act=ST&f=167&t=639653) if anyone can help me out play the WMV-HD in the HD-DVD Add On.
Thanks!
Burn the DVD5 at the lowest speed possible, to achieve maximum compatibility in different players. I burn all of my DVD5's at 4x for this very reason, as different devices with different drives will have trouble reading DVDs burnt at higher speeds.
Post by: chrislynch on January 30, 2008, 04:16:00 PM
Post by: mickey797 on January 31, 2008, 06:08:00 AM
QUOTE(chrislynch @ Jan 31 2008, 12:52 AM)
A.W.E.S.O.M.E.
Post by: arthurbear on February 02, 2008, 12:00:00 PM
I have been using impimkins converstion guide for my 720p films,i have encoded over 20 films and they work perfect everytime.
I have been away from this forum since about page 19 and now i look back i can see this chrislynch version.
Only question i have is whats the advantage of chrislynchs conversion over inpimkins?
Thanks
Post by: will2learn on February 04, 2008, 10:16:00 AM
QUOTE(arthurbear @ Feb 2 2008, 08:36 PM)
Hi
I have been using impimkins converstion guide for my 720p films,i have encoded over 20 films and they work perfect everytime.
I have been away from this forum since about page 19 and now i look back i can see this chrislynch version.
Only question i have is whats the advantage of chrislynchs conversion over inpimkins?
Thanks
Have been following this thread for several months-as I have very few mkv converted files I have only used it once with success for a 720p encoding.
Apparently, impimpin206 has amendments to make to the Guide but Xbox-Scene won't let him update original Guide for reasons unknown.
As well, impimpin206 has prepared or is preparing a new guide for raw conversion from evo, mts to wmv-hd as well. To date, I for one have been waiting for this as well as the updates to original tutorial.
For reasons unknown, likely time constraints, impimpin206 has not been available to respond to questions re: this Guide and chrislynch was helping by answering questions with suggested changes to original Guide which led to impimpin206 suggesting that chrislynch create his own Guide which he has now done. It appears to be very well done. As I don't have many mkv files I have not had the time to follow chrislynch's Guide in detail in order to give an opinion as to which Guide is better. They are certainly very similar.
It would appear that "stuttering issues" remain with respect to both Guides.
will2learn
Post by: arthurbear on February 05, 2008, 12:04:00 PM
I have converted films on both my old work horse an amd athlon 1.7 cpu 512ram which took a massive 30 hours plus to convert a film ( but still no stutter issues ) I have moved onto my new laptop for coversion which i a 2.8 dual core processor and 1 gig ram and conversion takes 18 hours ( no stuttering here aswell )
All i did is followed the guide getting the mkv etc codecs as listed and away i went.Always load the movie.avs file as your video input NOT the movie.mkv.Also Remember it may stutter on your pc but once burnt to disc as a data disc and played back on your xbox all may be fine.
Thanks
Post by: ES0090 on February 06, 2008, 03:57:00 PM
QUOTE(mickey797 @ Jan 30 2008, 09:02 AM)
The only problem I'm facing now is, when I burnt it to a DVD5 using Nero Burning Rom (DVD_ROM UDF), the disc plays fine in my XBOX 360 tray - but it won't play in my HD-DVD Add On - says "Unplayable Disc". I have no clue why. I've opened a detailed post here (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?act=ST&f=167&t=639653) if anyone can help me out play the WMV-HD in the HD-DVD Add On.
Thanks!
I don't think the Add-On Player can read WMV files, or Divx & Xvids for that matter. I think only HD DVD, DVD's (.vob), Jpegs, and MP3's.
I've used the tutorial and had great luck. One thing, the first half of movie converts fast, in like 3-4 hours, but once it hits 50% it takes another 12-14 hours or more to finish. Not sure why it would slow down half way like that. My machine is 3ghz and has 2.5 gb's of RAM.
Post by: EvilMeat on February 07, 2008, 12:15:00 PM
Post by: latentpsycho on February 09, 2008, 09:43:00 AM
Thanks,
Post by: dgarst on February 11, 2008, 04:54:00 PM
No matter what MKV file I use, when I try to add an mkv file to TMPGenc Xpress it says "cannot open the file (Location)."
What is the problem?? I've tried searching through this forum, but was unable to find any answers. If it has been answered, my apologies.
Post by: chrislynch on February 11, 2008, 05:52:00 PM
QUOTE(arthurbear @ Feb 2 2008, 11:36 AM)
Hi
I have been using impimkins converstion guide for my 720p films,i have encoded over 20 films and they work perfect everytime.
I have been away from this forum since about page 19 and now i look back i can see this chrislynch version.
Only question i have is whats the advantage of chrislynchs conversion over inpimkins?
Thanks
I wrote my version as impimkins had a process to use AVISynth to frame serve the MKV source. He had you then extract the audio, and load them both separately. I saw this as a few too many steps, and wanted something more simple.
QUOTE(latentpsycho @ Feb 9 2008, 09:19 AM)
Are there any means to preserve DTS audio during mkv to WMV conversion? Or do I absolutely have to convert to Dolby if I expect to get surround sound? (if this is the case, what kind of a quality loss does the audio suffer?)
Thanks,
Quite simply, no. Although, with 768k WMA 10, you should not notice a difference between DTS and WMA 10 Surround Sound. Unless you are an audiophile!
Dolby is what the Xbox 360 outputs once it has decoded the WMA 10 audio audience in the ASF container, and is *not* Windows Media Audio (WMA.)QUOTE(dgarst @ Feb 11 2008, 04:30 PM)
Alright so I have the chrislynch setup. I have CoreAVC Pro, AC3 Filter, and Haali Media Splitter installed, and I installed them in that order too. Those are also the ONLY video software I have installed. No codec packs.
No matter what MKV file I use, when I try to add an mkv file to TMPGenc Xpress it says "cannot open the file (Location)."
What is the problem?? I've tried searching through this forum, but was unable to find any answers. If it has been answered, my apologies.
I would suggest you post in my thread, as to not clutter up Impimpkins one here, for future "issues" with my tutorial. Can you open the source in Windows Media Player 11? If no, then I would do the following:
1. Remove all codecs. Yes. All of them.
2. Reboot.
3. Download and acquire CCleaner and K-Lite Codec Tweak Tool. Install both.
4. Run CCleaner, and have it do a registry check. Select YES when prompted to backup the registry before it "cleans it."
5. Run K-Lite Codec Tweak Tool, and have it detect for broken codecs.
6. Re-install CoreAVC, Haali Media Splitter, and AC3filter
Post by: mickey797 on February 12, 2008, 11:20:00 AM
Someone had mentioned a DTS -> AC3 conversion tool in one of these 43 pages, if I'm not mistaken (unless it was some other thread).
Anyone have a clue which tool it was?
Post by: jacanuck on February 12, 2008, 12:23:00 PM
Post by: mickey797 on February 12, 2008, 12:05:00 PM
QUOTE(jacanuck @ Feb 12 2008, 08:23 PM)
DAudioK is the name of the tool.
Just as I found it on VideoHelp.Com ... Totally thanks!
Post by: robert74 on February 03, 2020, 11:50:00 AM
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic323554.html
Post by: Mr.Mike on February 04, 2020, 06:13:00 AM
Can someone help me with the right programs? I can't find the progs that work with Apple.
Post by: uk_greesemonkey on February 17, 2008, 10:06:00 AM
i select that and the demux is succesfull however when i try to use it in TMPGEnc 4.0 it says "could not open......."
is there a reason i'm not seeing the option for A_AC3?
any help would be much appreciated.
cheers
Post by: jacanuck on February 18, 2008, 11:00:00 AM
Post by: chrislynch on February 18, 2008, 12:09:00 PM
QUOTE(uk_greesemonkey @ Feb 17 2008, 09:42 AM)
Hi guys, hope someone can help, i've got all the software installed and working, when i select the original mkv file using mkvextract the only audio option i get is A_AAC.
i select that and the demux is succesfull however when i try to use it in TMPGEnc 4.0 it says "could not open......."
is there a reason i'm not seeing the option for A_AC3?
any help would be much appreciated.
cheers
QUOTE(jacanuck @ Feb 18 2008, 10:36 AM)
The MKV you've downloaded has an AAC audio source, and not an AC3 or DTS audio source. Please find another version of that movie with a supported audio source.
You would need to make sure you have a codec that supports AAC. If you are using ffdshow to decode the x264 video stream, ffdshow has support to decode AAC. Open the ffdshow Audio Decoder Configuration applet from the Start Menu. Make sure that Codecs is selected on the tree. Then, on the right window, look for AAC. If it is disabled, change it to libfaad2. Next, try to open the AAC file with Windows Media Player. If that is successful in playing audio, you should be able to use it within TMPGEnc.
Post by: Skoodge on February 20, 2008, 01:48:00 AM
Also, where is this movie.avs file I need to change the directory in?
Please Help!
Thanks
Post by: Skoodge on February 20, 2008, 04:19:00 PM
QUOTE(Skoodge @ Feb 20 2008, 02:24 AM)
I am at step 1 in the tutorial. I am getting the error "mkvextract.exe and/or mkvmerge.exe file not found in the same MKVextractGUI folder. Copy them into this folder and try again." Those files wern't in the .zip file that I downloaded.
Also, where is this movie.avs file I need to change the directory in?
Please Help!
Thanks
Ok scratch that. Finally Figured it out.
Still have a question though: When I get to the step that says: "4a. Load your AVS script (movie.avs) into the source file." I try and add the movie.avs file form the tutorial folder, but it says it cannot open the file.
Post by: chrislynch on February 25, 2008, 12:31:00 PM
QUOTE(Skoodge @ Feb 20 2008, 03:55 PM)
Ok scratch that. Finally Figured it out.
Still have a question though: When I get to the step that says: "4a. Load your AVS script (movie.avs) into the source file." I try and add the movie.avs file form the tutorial folder, but it says it cannot open the file.
The problem is related to a piece of software missing from the original post. You will need to obtain Nic's Xvid Codec Pack. Once you install it, then you should be able to load the AVS script into TMPGenc.
Post by: xb360xls on February 26, 2008, 10:08:00 AM
Post by: mooshoepork on February 27, 2008, 04:39:00 AM
Post by: mooshoepork on February 29, 2008, 05:30:00 AM
Post by: demon510 on March 01, 2008, 07:28:00 AM
http://www.microsoft...;displaylang=en
Post by: thelelander on March 02, 2008, 02:06:00 PM
QUOTE(demon510 @ Mar 1 2008, 10:04 AM)
Why not just use Windows Media Encoder from MS, I have successfully converted an X264 MKV to wmv-hd with it.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...;displaylang=en
I'd love to hear how you did that.
Post by: demon510 on March 02, 2008, 02:44:00 PM
QUOTE(thelelander @ Mar 2 2008, 03:06 PM)
I'd love to hear how you did that.
Nothing to really tell, I opened up Windows Media Encoder, then selected Convert a file. Selected my file then hit maximum quality and 10 hours later it was done and works great. The file size was 4.3gb prior to conversion but was over 6gb afterwards. No biggie for me since I have a couple of 1tb usb drives.
I tried this before this post but it didnt work. I then tried the exact method as this tutorial installing all of the apps with it and I kept getting memory errors, I then retried it with WME 9 and it worked. Not sure if AVI Synth and these codecs helped but something worked.
This post has been edited by demon510: Mar 2 2008, 10:47 PM
Post by: robert74 on March 04, 2008, 08:52:00 AM
Post by: mooshoepork on March 09, 2008, 08:07:00 AM
Post by: luthan on March 09, 2008, 01:50:00 PM
what is the best time that anyone has seen for encoding an 8gb movie?
Post by: kasto on March 12, 2008, 06:44:00 PM
Post by: mooshoepork on March 14, 2008, 06:25:00 PM
Post by: InfiniteGrim on March 14, 2008, 07:28:00 PM
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Post by: mooshoepork on March 17, 2008, 03:02:00 AM
Download media coder
Download AC3 Filter
put your file in, change audio to FFMPEG, then AC3 if needed. If not, just go "copy audio"
For video, set it to 2 pass, enter the bitrate, make it Xvid with the default container. There we go. Problem solved.
Post by: robert74 on March 26, 2008, 10:53:00 AM
QUOTE(kasto @ Mar 13 2008, 01:44 AM)
Hi all, i've been using these methods to make movies for awhile now and have not had ANY problems. Just wanted to say thanks to the creators. The only thing is now im having a problem... I have a mkv that has an .srt subtitle and was wondering if there was a way to add it to my movie before i convert it ? PLEASE anyone with a suggestion is much appreciated, thanks.
Chrislynch has explained it here:
http://www.orbitfile...2511147462.html
Just use the subtitle filter in tmpenc xpress.
Post by: eminemobied12 on March 28, 2008, 05:07:00 PM
Post by: eminemobied12 on March 28, 2008, 11:42:00 PM
Post by: Italian_Guitar on April 02, 2008, 01:48:00 PM
I tried the "set input at 24fps" fix, re-encode everything and i noticed the "42 second glitch"
Now i'm trying with the "avsynth method":
Directshowsource("My_Movie.mkv", fps=23.976, audio=false)
It SEEMS to work fine.. So is this the best method for encode 23.976 with Tmpgec 4 Xpress?
I tried also the .mov method, but tmpgenc was unable to read it..
I'm still thinking about convert audio track from 23.976 to 25 fps and remux all in a new .mkv file at 25fps
Thanks!
Post by: TheJulianaTh20 on April 10, 2008, 02:01:00 PM
Post by: jacanuck on April 11, 2008, 08:46:00 AM
QUOTE(TheJulianaTh20 @ Apr 10 2008, 02:01 PM)
I am going to try a real solution. I am going to Devry for networking and communications so I know a little about this and should have known this before. I see all these new routers that advertise the new ability of streaming HD of all kinds and hopefully MKV!!! The new routers are GIGABIT ports; meaning each port on your router has the capability of 10/100/1000mbps on your LAN. So to do this you would have to up your router to the 10/100/1000mbps and then also make sure you have network connection on your computer that is also 10/100/1000mbps(Network adaptor PCI). Then don't forget that all the Cat5 lines that you were using need to be upgraded to Cat5e or Cat6 to handle the 1000mbps. This should fix the problem of the 360 keep buffering while playing 1080p MKV files.
- The Xbox 360 cannot play MKV files, of any size.
- 100Mbps is more then capable of streaming files with high bit rates (such as the 720 and 1080 mkv files).
- A router advertising the ability to stream HD? Show me what you are talking about, so that I can show you what it actually means. Apparently Devry doesn't have very high qualifications to get into their network and communications programs.
Post by: TheJulianaTh20 on April 11, 2008, 01:54:00 PM
Here a$$
http://www.bestbuy.c...d=1196470792077
Post by: chrislynch on April 11, 2008, 08:30:00 PM
QUOTE(TheJulianaTh20 @ Apr 11 2008, 12:30 PM)
First off Januck don't be an a$$ on these forums or you will get banned and I'll make sure of it. Second I didn't realize the problem with what i said is the xbox 360's ethernet only allows 10/100mbps, so gigabit ethernet would be useless.
Here a$$
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1196470792077
Ladies, ladies... cool down or I will send you to your rooms. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
The Xbox 360 cannot accept an MKV as a source period. So, you mentioning D-Link's products can support streaming an MKV source may be true, but it's useless with the Xbox 360.
Your option is to re-encode to another source, or wait for Microsoft to add MKV suppor. (BTW, do not hold your breath, as I seriously doubt that's coming.)
Post by: arthurbear on February 04, 2020, 01:57:00 PM
does the resulting file comply with wmv 9 standard?as thats what it states it will play or is it not.
thanks
Post by: TheJulianaTh20 on April 19, 2008, 06:11:00 PM
Post by: jacanuck on April 20, 2008, 09:25:00 AM
The MKV is not supported on the 360, so if you're viewing it on a 360, your computer is transcoding it. A modern computer is barely (if at all) capable of transcoding a 1080p video of any type in real time, without losing significant quality.
Post by: Brubaum on April 21, 2008, 09:08:00 PM
Post by: FoxForceFive on April 22, 2008, 03:36:00 AM
QUOTE(TheJulianaTh20 @ Apr 20 2008, 01:11 AM)
Man .mkv files are ridiculous. I am able to watch 1080p WMV files with 5.1 perfectly streamed through my 360 but not these stupid mkv files. I could see the mkv file for a minute or two then it would keep buffering like it is too much info to send to the 360 at once. That is probably why they make those stupid mkv splitters, but with 1080p for some reason it doesn't work. It just made two files that look like completely compressed CRAP. It took a 1080p 9GB file split it into two ~4.3GB files that looked more like 400MB files on my 1080p screen. Why is it a WMV 1080p movie that is 8-10GB can play just great with 5.1 but a MKV cannot?!?!?! But for some reason everyone uses this stupid format to encode their movies. WHY??????!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just because a video games console, that isnt designed primarily to play or stream movies cant play a format, does not mean it's stupid.
I strongly suggest you go to a few HD forums & tell them you think wmp is a better format than mkv & see the reaction.
MKV is a much, much better format to use to contain HD content for a number of reasons, the fact that the 360 cant play them is very annoying, I agree entirely, but calling something stupid when you clearly know nothing about it other than the fact it wont do what you want it to is simply being ignorant & insulting to many people at Matroska & beyond who were involved in making MKV possible. Believe me, it's been a godsend for the HD community.
Oh, & BTW, the 360 isnt doing any of the transcoding, your PC is, so if you want to view a TRUE 1080p picture then you need to upgrade, more tha likley both your processor & your graphics card.
If you're watching on anything less than a 42" the difference between 720p & 1080p is almost indistinguishable to the naked eye anyway, so just go with the 720p if that's the case.
This post has been edited by FoxForceFive: Apr 22 2008, 10:39 AM
Post by: Brubaum on April 22, 2008, 05:44:00 AM
QUOTE(Brubaum @ Apr 22 2008, 05:08 AM)
Hello impimpin206...I can't download your TMPG Xpress profile in first page...please help me!
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Post by: stippy420 on April 23, 2008, 12:32:00 PM
QUOTE(Brubaum @ Apr 22 2008, 04:08 AM)
Hello impimpin206...I can't download your TMPG Xpress profile in first page...please help me!
Same here... site seems to be down, impimpin... forget to pay the host? heheh
Can somebody else post his custom profile? Please? I've got time to kill and would love to start recoding and uploading. =)
Post by: robert74 on April 23, 2008, 04:17:00 PM
QUOTE(stippy420 @ Apr 23 2008, 08:08 PM)
Same here... site seems to be down, impimpin... forget to pay the host? heheh
Can somebody else post his custom profile? Please? I've got time to kill and would love to start recoding and uploading. =)
This forum is basically dead. Havent seen impimping here for a while.
Post by: stippy420 on April 24, 2008, 09:14:00 AM
QUOTE(robert74 @ Apr 23 2008, 11:53 PM)
This forum is basically dead. Havent seen impimping here for a while.
That's kind of what I assumed... so using my great Googling powers, I have found an updated tutorial and working links to the "missing" files. =)
http://www.ryanwalsh.ca/blog/?p=8
Post by: too2buff on May 18, 2008, 03:48:00 PM
I understand that the MKV cannot be played on Xbox 360 but if I can get the item to play on Vista Media Center can I just connect my 360 as a Media Center Extender and play them that way?
THanks
Post by: robert74 on May 21, 2008, 05:35:00 PM
QUOTE(too2buff @ May 18 2008, 10:48 PM)
uh hey quickly i'm sorry but I scanned through some of these pages but not all 47.
I understand that the MKV cannot be played on Xbox 360 but if I can get the item to play on Vista Media Center can I just connect my 360 as a Media Center Extender and play them that way?
THanks
NO.
Post by: darklight1138 on May 26, 2008, 11:54:00 PM
Post by: polockpimp21 on May 27, 2008, 11:09:00 PM
Post by: robert74 on May 31, 2008, 01:58:00 PM
QUOTE(darklight1138 @ May 31 2008, 08:41 PM)
Oh man I am so pissed!! I;ve been trying FOREVER to get HD movies on my external HD so I can play them on my 360. I finally get it converted but its over 4GB, and my HD which is F32 won't accept that. So I spend hours backing up my drive so I can convert it to NTFS, but the 360 wont recognize that file stystem. So I have to GO BACK and back my external HD up AGAIN and convert it AGAIN and re-encode the movie files to a size less than 4gb. Goddamn I hate MS.
Why dont you just use your external HDD with your pc and then connect via NIc to your xbox 360?
Post by: Italian_Guitar on June 01, 2008, 12:13:00 PM
QUOTE(darklight1138 @ May 31 2008, 07:41 PM)
Oh man I am so pissed!! I;ve been trying FOREVER to get HD movies on my external HD so I can play them on my 360. I finally get it converted but its over 4GB, and my HD which is F32 won't accept that. So I spend hours backing up my drive so I can convert it to NTFS, but the 360 wont recognize that file stystem. So I have to GO BACK and back my external HD up AGAIN and convert it AGAIN and re-encode the movie files to a size less than 4gb. Goddamn I hate MS.
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=610799
Post by: Senor Chief on June 05, 2008, 02:03:00 PM
because the original links are broken. - thanks
Post by: impimpin206 on June 06, 2008, 09:52:00 PM
I've been meaning to rewrite a new tutorial, so this sounds like a good time for that anyway. I'll make the files available if I can find them in the mean time.
Post by: lupes5 on June 26, 2008, 03:21:00 PM
i appreciate your work impimpin
Post by: DucksFan on June 26, 2008, 05:02:00 PM
QUOTE(lupes5 @ Jun 26 2008, 04:57 PM)
any news on where to get these files from yet? i've got a few mkv movies waiting to be converted....
i appreciate your work impimpin
same here
Post by: Big Moose on July 03, 2008, 11:29:00 AM
Could you please repost your custom TMPGEnc Xpress profile? The old link is not working anymore. Thank you
Big Moose
Post by: svincent on July 07, 2008, 05:36:00 AM
QUOTE(G0gge @ Jul 1 2008, 10:27 AM)
Hi,
I was wondering what the alternatives are for using TMPGEnc. I cannot use that software because it only crashes on my computer when I try to load the AVS file. (Get this, it only happens when I use " in the DirectShowSource). Anyway, I don't really trust my AVS file since I wrote it myself with guidance from http://www.ryanwalsh.ca/blog/?p=6
And the custom profile that used to be available here is no more since Xbox-King.com is gone. So I would like to know what he alternative softwares are.
Try Encode360
or i think Winavi will work also (but i'm not 100% on this one.)
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Post by: amantony on July 16, 2008, 03:29:00 PM
(Need that first link by the way)
Post by: grambo on July 18, 2008, 11:54:00 AM
QUOTE(svincent @ Jul 7 2008, 01:12 PM)
encode360 works great. I'd just use that for now. I adjusted the settings to give better quality output and it looks excellent, and is very simple.
Thanks for posting this vincent.
Post by: Domterran on July 27, 2008, 04:09:00 PM
http://rapidshare.co...rofile.zip.html
Post by: geniukas on July 31, 2008, 01:58:00 PM
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Post by: billymcq2 on August 04, 2008, 10:19:00 AM
http://xenonmkv.sourceforge.net/
Has worked great for me at converting .mkv files to xbox360 compatible .mp4 files.
Post by: hot on August 08, 2008, 08:21:00 AM
Post by: bruter51 on August 22, 2008, 04:09:00 AM
QUOTE(impimpin206 @ Jul 5 2007, 05:57 AM)
I see some of you are looking for a way to convert 720p MKV files to WMV-HD. So here's a little tutorial that should help you out. You need to download the attached file and have the tools below.
You can download a sample video here. Just stick it in your shared video folder and play it over network on your console.
Tools needed
- My custom TMPGEnc Xpress profile (available here)
- TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0 (available here)
- MKVtoolnix (available here)
- MKVExtractGUI (available here )
- Avisynth (available here)
Once you have all of that software installed and functioning, here's what you need to do.
1. Extract the contents of the attached file. This tutorial assumes you have extracted the file to the root of your E: drive, so you'll be working from e:\wmv_working\ If this is not the case, you'll need to open the movie.avs file in Notepad and change the directory. Copy your source MKV file to your \wmv_working\ directory and rename it to movie.mkv
2. Run MKVExtractGUI and open your movie.mkv file. Check the box for the AC3 audio stream and click the 'Extract' button. Once complete, exit MKVExtractGUI.
3. Run TMPGEnc Xpress 4.0 and start a new project.
4a. Load your AVS script (movie.avs) into the source file.
4b. Load your AC3 audio file into the 'Audio' section. (click browse, locate file)
4c. Change the 'Clip Name' to the title of your movie. This is what shows in the Xbox 360 browser.
5. Look at the clip details before proceeding to Format. Remember your source file's resolution.
6. Proceed to 'Format' and click 'Browse' to load the attached template Xbox 360 720 VBR.txp4e
7. Correct the resolution to what was displayed on the source file information. If you are using a 1080p source, you should be able to convert to 1080p WMV-HD without any other changes. For 720p sources, you should only need to correct the vertical resolution. Failing to do so will result in a clipped frame or black bars at the top & bottom to keep the aspect ratio. Setting the same resolution will have your Xbox 360 scale the file correctly.
8. Push the 'Calculator' button. Set your output size to 100% of media and push OK.
9. Save your project in case adjustments are necessary.
Optional Step: Create test sample (see below for steps)
10. Everything else is set for you. Encode!
Optional Step: Create a test sample
Note: this assumes you are between steps 8 and 10.
1. Select the bitrate from the box and copy it into your clipboard. (In this example, it's 5053)
2. Click 'Source' to go back a step in the wizard.
3. Click 'Cut-edit' on the right.
4. Select a new start frame and end frame and click OK. Since this is VBR, I usually make a 5 minute clip of both low and high motion scenes to give an accurate output quality sample.
5. Click Encode and start it.
6. Put the output file into your shared videos and play it over network in your Xbox 360. If the video looks good, then re-open your saved project file and encode it. If you didn't save it, you will need to repeat these steps to set your original start/end frames to the movie's start/end, then encode.
Hopefully this helps you some.
Cheers,
impimpin
1. Extract the contents of the attached file. This tutorial assumes you have extracted the file to the root of your E: drive, so you'll be working from e:\wmv_working\ If this is not the case, you'll need to open the movie.avs file in Notepad and change the directory. Copy your source MKV file to your \wmv_working\ directory and rename it to movie.mkv
Load your AVS script (movie.avs) into the source file.
how i dont know to make u see my picture problem
so help me i want WMV-HD to use my XBOX 360
Post by: Bass182 on August 26, 2008, 05:38:00 PM
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Post by: cashmoney805 on August 30, 2008, 09:51:00 PM
Post by: bruter51 on September 01, 2008, 12:53:00 AM
QUOTE(cashmoney805 @ Aug 31 2008, 12:27 PM)
For some reason I can't import the audio into TMPGenc. I get an error that says "Could not open the file... It may be an unsupported file or there is only a video stream." The file is .ac3, so what am I doing wrong? Thanks for the help.
me to same here so help me
Post by: Italian_Guitar on September 03, 2008, 02:39:00 PM
Post by: Italian_Guitar on September 09, 2008, 03:16:00 PM
Ac3filter must be configured into a "5.1 channels"
Post by: opifex on September 10, 2008, 11:28:00 AM
All your links seem broken
Post by: Toofan on September 11, 2008, 04:37:00 AM
this tutorial works great for ac3 audios. but mkv with DTS audio, I have problem with those. mkvextract wont extract these audios... any way around mkv movies with DTS audio?
Post by: mcornbill on September 25, 2008, 05:07:00 PM
QUOTE(spanglmd @ Jan 9 2008, 10:31 AM)
With everyone complaining about getting subtitles onto the video, I want to get rid of them. They are not hardcoded, just the extra tracks within the .mkv file. How do I stop the first track from getting encoded on the video? Everytime I go to encode to WMV it encodes the subtitles right onto the video.
Edit: I am using K-Lite Codec Pack, Haali Media Splitter, TMPEGEnc. DirectVobSub is installed. Uninstalling DVS causes TMPEGEnc to crash when trying to load the video.
mux
spanglmd just use mkvextract to extract the video, audio and subtitle files. Then use TSMuxer to create a new .TS file using just the video and audio streams you've extracted. Then simply load the .TS file into TMGEnc. You will prob lose 5.1 sound. If so you can just create a new .TS file using just the video stream and load that into TMPGEnc. Then the audio is hopefully an ac3 file which if it is you load that as the audio source into TMPGEnc.
Cheers
Can I revert back to a question raised earlier in the post. I have the video stuttering for the first 10 mins of every encode I do, be it from an mkv source or full blu-ray, hd-dvd rips. I saw that it was suggested to uncheck the prefetch video and audio options under CPU multithreading in TMPGEnc but they have always been unchecked for me.
Any other suggestions? After 10 mins the video flows beautifully - really annoying!
Post by: jkoz on September 27, 2008, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: ryz19 on October 09, 2008, 12:37:00 PM
4a. Load your AVS script (movie.avs) into the source file.
If anyone can help id appreciate it , Thanks
Post by: Yuzu85 on October 14, 2008, 05:03:00 PM
QUOTE(jkoz @ Sep 27 2008, 11:48 PM)
My 1080p encodes are halting at 49%... could this be because of any decoders that I've recently installed? This is extremely frustrating, this is the fourth time I've tried and this has happened.
Same problem here. After the analysis, when the encoding should start, TMPGenc stops and an error warning shows up. Just a windows warning 'the program isn't working anymore'!
I did an convert once, but I didn't really like the result. So I changed a few things:
1. AC3Filter: Changed the settings of the output to 3/2+SW 5.1 channels, PCM 24bit and ticked all audio streams in the 'system' tab.
2. Audio format in TMPGenc from 384kbps to 768kbps
3. FFshow video decoder: I added a subtitle and changed in the tab 'codecs' H.264/AVC from disabled to libavcodec.
Maybe you made a same change? Then we can figure out what the problem is
Post by: ryz19 on October 19, 2008, 04:44:00 AM
though it took 20 hours to convert Lol, all i have to do now is get the vids from the cmp to xbox without an internet connection ( says ip isnt working ) though i only want to share media! Thanks
Post by: vautinsh on October 30, 2008, 12:32:00 PM
I have AMD Athlon64 2.2ghz, 1.5gb of ram, 320GB WD HDD 16mb cache!
Post by: Rodoga on November 01, 2008, 06:47:00 PM
First, install Windows Media Encoder 9 and Microsoft Expression Encoder 2.
Then install video and audio codecs. I have these codecs installed.
matroska splitter
AC3Filter
ffdshow (I have h264 disabled)
CoreAVC (not required if you prefer ffdshow but you get faster encodes)
VSFilter (not required if you use ffdshow for subtitles but is good if you want subtitles and use CoreAVC)
1. Set up a videoprofile in expression encoder with Quality VBR set width and height to 0 to get same as input. Set fps same as source also.
Let's say you name it "profile1". Exit the encoder.
2. Set up a .prx file with 5.1 audio settings (Use Windows Media Encoder), use Quality VBR again. Save the file as "audio_5.1VBR" in the "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Expression\Encoder 2\Profiles\" directory. You may have to create "\profiles" directory. Exit WME.
Now the easy part.
Create a .bat file (create a .txt file rename it to .bat) and put it on your desktop. Add this line to your .bat file:
"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Expression\Encoder 2\Encoder.exe" /Source "%1" /Target "%1.wmv" /VideoProfile "profile1" /AudioProfile "audio_5.1VBR" /Log On /Time
Set AC3Filter to 5.1 surround.
Drag and drop the file you want to convert to the .bat file, and the process starts.
This works with any file avs,mkv, avi....but not for ts files. If any of you can get it to work please tell me.
Any surround sound that AC3Filter can handle works. Aspect ratio is transferred to the new file and even anamorphic encodings will be transferred.
TIP: FFdshow as decoder for h.264/x.264 movie works fine and is easy for encoding a movie with hardcoded subtitles into it, but CoreAVC actually decreases the conversiontime and If you have a subtitle that vsfilter detects, then it will be hardcoded into the movie.
Don't forget commandline don't like spaces in file names (ex. "evil dead.mkv" rename it to "evil_dead.mkv")
Post by: uQuad on November 02, 2008, 06:47:00 AM
I've been tryin to encode some h264 files myself and they just dont want to work. Im using VirtualDub with directshow so I can overlay subtitles into the movie. For encoding I use 'h264 vfw' (x264) or/and the one in ffdshow. Both have a lot options so I guess all there is to pick the right ones. I always thoght that the reason that some h264 dont play is to litle number of reference frames (1-3). But now even with 4-5 which Im encoding it does not work.
Post by: kain on November 02, 2008, 07:27:00 PM
Post by: KidShowtime on November 06, 2008, 05:42:00 PM
QUOTE(Rodoga @ Nov 2 2008, 02:23 AM)
If you're not interested in a specific filesize, I would recommend a quality VBR. If so then this guide is for you.
First, install Windows Media Encoder 9 and Microsoft Expression Encoder 2.
Then install video and audio codecs. I have these codecs installed.
matroska splitter
AC3Filter
ffdshow (I have h264 disabled)
CoreAVC (not required if you prefer ffdshow but you get faster encodes)
VSFilter (not required if you use ffdshow for subtitles but is good if you want subtitles and use CoreAVC)
1. Set up a videoprofile in expression encoder with Quality VBR set width and height to 0 to get same as input. Set fps same as source also.
Let's say you name it "profile1". Exit the encoder.
2. Set up a .prx file with 5.1 audio settings (Use Windows Media Encoder), use Quality VBR again. Save the file as "audio_5.1VBR" in the "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Expression\Encoder 2\Profiles\" directory. You may have to create "\profiles" directory. Exit WME.
Now the easy part.
Create a .bat file (create a .txt file rename it to .bat) and put it on your desktop. Add this line to your .bat file:
"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Expression\Encoder 2\Encoder.exe" /Source "%1" /Target "%1.wmv" /VideoProfile "profile1" /AudioProfile "audio_5.1VBR" /Log On /Time
Set AC3Filter to 5.1 surround.
Drag and drop the file you want to convert to the .bat file, and the process starts.
This works with any file avs,mkv, avi....but not for ts files. If any of you can get it to work please tell me.
Any surround sound that AC3Filter can handle works. Aspect ratio is transferred to the new file and even anamorphic encodings will be transferred.
TIP: FFdshow as decoder for h.264/x.264 movie works fine and is easy for encoding a movie with hardcoded subtitles into it, but CoreAVC actually decreases the conversiontime and If you have a subtitle that vsfilter detects, then it will be hardcoded into the movie.
Don't forget commandline don't like spaces in file names (ex. "evil dead.mkv" rename it to "evil_dead.mkv")
tried this... just got a command line with the code I entered and then flashed back to desktop.
Post by: Robborboy on November 06, 2008, 06:46:00 PM
Post by: babanoosh on November 21, 2008, 12:56:00 PM
QUOTE(Robborboy @ Nov 6 2008, 09:22 PM)
Not to completely dismiss this thread but I just use XenonMkv. It cuts the audio fro 5.1, and changes the container to MP4, the only problem is if your file is over 4gp the 360 will not read. But my rip of Iron Man from my 720p Bluray is around 2.5gb, that is without menus or special features.
by virtue of 360's limitation/crippling to mp4 H.264s:
1 - Less than 4GB
2 - 720p max
3 - less than 10mbit bitrate
4 - Level 4.1
5 - AAC LC 2 Channel
I wouldn't worry too much about dismissing this thread. wmv-hd is still the way to go, if one wants best PQ of HD on the 360.
Post by: Mikerosoft03 on November 21, 2008, 05:01:00 PM
Post by: rodmagno on November 24, 2008, 01:13:00 PM
I´m using only TMPGEnc4XP since July without any problems. Flawless picture, 5.1 surround, with ~10h encoding.
WMV 9 Advanced Profile
WMA 10 Professional
ffdshow video decoder
Haali Media
AC3 set for 5.1 > also converts DTS mkvs to 5.1 wmv.
TMP does all the work. No need splitting the file and converting. It also Hard Sub the subtitles.
Xbox360 plays it from my HD over wireless network flawlessly up to 10 Gigs .wmv movie.
Post by: PimpTwzt on November 26, 2008, 03:18:00 AM
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Post by: truskawkowy on November 30, 2008, 03:28:00 AM
Post by: bigd23 on December 01, 2008, 09:14:00 AM
Post by: bintoe on December 01, 2008, 10:31:00 AM
QUOTE(Robborboy @ Nov 6 2008, 10:22 PM)
Not to completely dismiss this thread but I just use XenonMkv. It cuts the audio fro 5.1, and changes the container to MP4, the only problem is if your file is over 4gp the 360 will not read. But my rip of Iron Man from my 720p Bluray is around 2.5gb, that is without menus or special features.
Never heard of the program, but it sounds great. I am going to give it a try. WMV is not necessarily the way to go. H264 is not limited to 720p, and the bitrate is not limited to less than 10mbps. I have h264's encoded at 1080p and 12mbps video. Stereo sound doesnt really matter to me, and as for the 4gb size limit ...i have a program to split the video. It is called "MPEG Streamclip" It cuts the clip without re-encoding. the only requirement is that you have quicktime pro...which can be easily downloaded.
Post by: drunkmunk on December 02, 2008, 12:15:00 PM
QUOTE(rodmagno @ Nov 24 2008, 09:49 PM)
I´m using only TMPGEnc4XP since July without any problems. Flawless picture, 5.1 surround, with ~10h encoding.
WMV 9 Advanced Profile
WMA 10 Professional
ffdshow video decoder
Haali Media
AC3 set for 5.1 > also converts DTS mkvs to 5.1 wmv.
TMP does all the work. No need splitting the file and converting. It also Hard Sub the subtitles.
Xbox360 plays it from my HD over wireless network flawlessly up to 10 Gigs .wmv movie.
Does this mean you don't have to extract the raw video and import it to a .mov container? what version of TMPGEnc4XP are you using?
I'm just wondering if it has been fixed so that we can skip those steps. it would make it a little easier and less time consuming.
Post by: Jer on December 10, 2008, 04:03:00 PM
About how long does it take to convert a 4gb file? Just curious because we have company coming over to watch Dark Knight tonight and I don't want to have it working a conversion on another file when I'm trying to stream it over my network. I would have read the entire thread but it turned into a piss fest pretty quick so I wasn't going to even bother reading the rest so sorry if someone has addressed the conversion time question already.
Post by: Jer on December 10, 2008, 04:34:00 PM
Isn't there a easy, free way to accomplish this process?
Post by: stafngrimr on December 27, 2008, 12:23:00 PM
QUOTE
6. Not enough storage is available to complete this operation (0x8007000E)
Situation
6.1 You tried encoding a AviSynth File + stereo AC3 to WMV in 1-pass CBR mode for both audio and video.
6.2 You tried encoding a AviSynth File + mono WAV to WMV in 1-pass CBR mode for both audio and video.
Solutions
6.1.1 This error can occur even with more than sufficient RAM and hard disk drive space. It seems to be a WMEncoder error when Memory cannot be allocated. Return code is E_OUTOFMEMORY. Here is the Microsoft Knowledgebase article for the error code: http://support.micro...spx?scid=890425
6.2.1 Try 1-pass CBR for audio and 90% Quality VBR for video. Your WMV file size is unpredictable. However, as a general guide, a 2 hours fast motion mixed movie will occupy about half a DVD with 128 Kbps audio.
also see: http://support.micro...spx?scid=890425
QUOTE
When you call many objects from one process to another by using Microsoft COM+, you may receive the following error message:
Not enough storage is available to complete this operation (0x8007000e)
If you attach a debugger to the client process, you may see 8007000E first chance exceptions reported by the debugger.
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CAUSE
This problem is caused by the limitation in the remote procedure call (RPC) laye...
This problem is caused by the limitation in the remote procedure call (RPC) layer where only 256 unique interfaces can be called from one process to another. This problem typically occurs when you use COM+ or Microsoft Transaction Server with many objects in the program or package.
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RESOLUTION
To resolve this problem, use one of the following methods:Split objects between...
To resolve this problem, use one of the following methods:
* Split objects between multiple processes.
* Reduce the number of interfaces that are called between one process and another.
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STATUS
Microsoft has confirmed that this is a problem in the Microsoft products that ar...
Microsoft has confirmed that this is a problem in the Microsoft products that are listed in the "Applies to" section.
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APPLIES TO
* Microsoft COM+ 1.5
* Microsoft COM+ 1.0
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Keywords:
kbtshoot kbprogramming kbprb KB890425
Post by: stafngrimr on December 27, 2008, 01:09:00 PM
Grab a free copy of tsmuxer : http://smlabs.net/tsmuxer_en.html
mux the avs/h264/x264/264 stream and the audio stream into an m2ts.
Open the m2ts file in tmpgenc xpress
Tmpgenc will use its internal avc decoder which is only slightly slower than the coreavc.
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Post by: Dp1983 on January 01, 2009, 11:19:00 PM
The problem is I can't extract DTS audio and have it work and yes I know others talked about this in other posts. So I was messing around with a way to get 5.1 audio to work. I installed Windows Media Encoder 9.0, just to mess around with other possible ways to encode, and suddenly all my files imported into TMPGENC showed up as having 5.1 audio like they should even the DTS source. The problem is from then on my audio would always be out of sync after encoding. I figured some codec installed by Windows Media Encoder caused it so I just did a system restore. That took it back to the way it was before.
Now I'm stuckwith 2.0 audio though. Should I try to reinstall Windows Media Encoder and maybe correct the delay manually or frameserve it with AviSynth which I don't normally do? I heard this could fix delay I think. What codec in WME 9.0 could cause this? I'm curious because I would like to be able to manually install it.
Also, how can I make sure AviSynth chooses CoreAVC as my decoder? Is this all I need in my .avs file? The DirectShowSource command?
DirectShowSource ("c:\wmv\movie.mkv")
Also, if I just load my Source directly into TMPGENC how can I make sure it is using CoreAvc to decode? I see a little film strip flashing in my toolbar but it is too fast to tell if it is from CoreAVC.
Ug, I just don't know where to start to get proper 5.1 audio. I love TMPGENC because it is easy and doesn't require me to run the Source file through 80 different applications to sort out the different streams.
Thank you for any help given to me. Sorry about the long winded post.
Post by: Dp1983 on January 02, 2009, 02:17:00 AM
Post by: rxylab on January 05, 2009, 01:28:00 AM
I've been on this for a few weeks now, I've been through this guide and Chris Lynchs also have tried WME Assistant, WMNicEnc Windows Media Encoder 9.... I get the same problem with all of them, out of sync audio. The best solution I've used so far is definitely the WME Assistant, as when I used TMPG I was getting stuttering and audio being out of sync. Atleast with WME I get a crystal picture. The codecs I am using with WME are CoreAVC, Ac3 Filter and Haali, all were supposed to be used with Chris Lynchs superb guide.
One other thing that I have noticed, when I play my MKV through VLC I have a perfect movie but when it goes through Windows Media Player or any other player the audio is out of sync. What could this mean? Is the ac3 codec playing up? I tried the time shift function and it didn't work at all. I don't know what else to do or try, I'm actually losing sleep over this... I am that adamant on getting this to work!
My pc specs are:
Q6600 oc @ 3.05ghz
2gig OCZ Platinum Ram
Sapphire HD4850 Toxic
Any suggestions would really really help.
Cheers
Post by: rxylab on January 05, 2009, 04:59:00 PM
QUOTE(rxylab @ Jan 5 2009, 08:28 AM)
Hi there
I've been on this for a few weeks now, I've been through this guide and Chris Lynchs also have tried WME Assistant, WMNicEnc Windows Media Encoder 9.... I get the same problem with all of them, out of sync audio. The best solution I've used so far is definitely the WME Assistant, as when I used TMPG I was getting stuttering and audio being out of sync. Atleast with WME I get a crystal picture. The codecs I am using with WME are CoreAVC, Ac3 Filter and Haali, all were supposed to be used with Chris Lynchs superb guide.
One other thing that I have noticed, when I play my MKV through VLC I have a perfect movie but when it goes through Windows Media Player or any other player the audio is out of sync. What could this mean? Is the ac3 codec playing up? I tried the time shift function and it didn't work at all. I don't know what else to do or try, I'm actually losing sleep over this... I am that adamant on getting this to work!
My pc specs are:
Q6600 oc @ 3.05ghz
2gig OCZ Platinum Ram
Sapphire HD4850 Toxic
Any suggestions would really really help.
Cheers
I think I've actually figured it out for myself now. I just used DXman to get rid of the ac3, coreavc, ffdshow haali encoders. Then freshly installed them all again, and ran a test for a 5 min clip which worked fine with TMPGenc Xpress version 4.6.2.266. HOWEVER, when I run the test wmv through winamp it would be out of sync. So I would run the test wmv through Windows Media Player and the picture is perfect and the audio is in sync.
Problem solved for now.
Post by: wulfie on January 09, 2009, 09:11:00 AM
Post by: Geoshaw on January 15, 2009, 03:56:00 PM
QUOTE(Rodoga @ Nov 2 2008, 01:23 AM)
1. Set up a videoprofile in expression encoder with Quality VBR set width and height to 0 to get same as input. Set fps same as source also.
Let's say you name it "profile1". Exit the encoder.
2. Set up a .prx file with 5.1 audio settings (Use Windows Media Encoder), use Quality VBR again. Save the file as "audio_5.1VBR" in the "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Expression\Encoder 2\Profiles\" directory. You may have to create "\profiles" directory. Exit WME.
How do I set up a video profile in expression encoder?
Thanks
Geoshaw
Post by: fran84 on January 28, 2009, 05:37:00 AM
so i apologize for my question (if the answer is already said in)
but how i do double audio in a movie wmv from a movie.mkv (mkv source has two lenguages)???
please explain me step by step how do
tenx
Post by: mrlion on February 17, 2009, 01:36:00 AM
Post by: jacox on February 17, 2009, 04:03:00 AM
I've searched absolutely everywhere, and i mean everywhere,
but every link is a direct rip of this site.
Can someone please give me a working link to the template.
I really want to start encoding my videos!
First post
Post by: G19 on February 17, 2009, 05:28:00 AM
QUOTE(jacox @ Feb 17 2009, 11:39 AM)
Just recently found this tutorial as well, everything is great... But the link to the TMPGEnc 720p template is dead.
I've searched absolutely everywhere, and i mean everywhere,
but every link is a direct rip of this site.
Can someone please give me a working link to the template.
I really want to start encoding my videos!
First post
You can take the template settings from the pictures in the first post. Load in your video/audio files as described, then choose 'Windows Media Video' as the output type. Change the Video codec to 'Windows Media Video 9 Advanced Profile' and under the 'Audio' tab change the codec to 'Windows Media Audio 10 Professional. That's all the template is basically. The rest you have to do yourself manually, like match the source resolution, change the audio codec profile to '1-pass CBR - 384kbps, 48kHz, 5.1 channel 24-bit CBR', and adjust the video bitrate. It's all there in the first post.
Good luck!
Post by: billyrainbow on February 21, 2009, 02:30:00 PM
If I use mediainfo.exe to examine the bitrate of an source MKV the following is presented (below)
I am assuming I would use the exact same bitrate presented in the MKV for the WMV or should it be higher or lower within the WMV. Assuming I am not trying to target a particular physical media (DVD/CD). My goal is to have an almost perfect copy of the source MKV.
I see two values listed in the mediainfo mkv dump video portion:
QUOTE
Bit rate : 2 593 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 2 725 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 2 725 Kbps
So would that mean I would set the average bitrate to 2725? What about the Peak bitrate?
And for the Audio portion:
QUOTE
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
So would that mean I would set the audio format to 440kbps, 48khz, 5.1 channel 24 bit CBR?
Full MediaInfo.exe MKV Dump:
CODE
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Muxing mode : Container [email protected]
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 49mn 11s
Bit rate : 2 593 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 2 725 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.117
Writing library : x264 core 65 r1057 5f8a149
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=4 / deblock=1:-1:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc=2pass / bitrate=2725 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English
Audio
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 49mn 14s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Format profile : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Muxing mode : Container [email protected]
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 49mn 11s
Bit rate : 2 593 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 2 725 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.117
Writing library : x264 core 65 r1057 5f8a149
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=4 / deblock=1:-1:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc=2pass / bitrate=2725 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English
Audio
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 49mn 14s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
This post has been edited by billyrainbow: Feb 21 2009, 10:38 PM
Post by: G19 on February 21, 2009, 05:02:00 PM
Good luck!
Post by: mirkimirki on February 27, 2009, 04:56:00 PM
I have a little question: when i open my H263 file or the movie.avs script, i have this situation (13H??)
Why the movie duration change???
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Post by: Italian_Guitar on March 08, 2009, 07:35:00 AM
QUOTE(mirkimirki @ Feb 27 2009, 11:56 PM)
Hi guys. I'm new
I have a little question: when i open my H263 file or the movie.avs script, i have this situation (13H??)
Why the movie duration change???
Try muxing the h263 stream into a mp4 with yamb and rename the final file as .mov, as suggested many pages before.
The "mkv > h264 > yamb > mp4 > mov" method works for sure but i noticed a weird thing:
Load the original 23.976fps .mkv into tmpgenc is not equal to load the .mov + .ac3
There is a 2 frame difference between the original and the mov file, that means the audio should be corrected by 2*1000/23.976 = 83,416ms (83ms or 84ms)
Try it for yourself.
Post by: Italian_Guitar on March 11, 2009, 02:33:00 PM
QUOTE(Italian_Guitar @ Mar 8 2009, 02:11 PM)
The "mkv > h264 > yamb > mp4 > mov" method works for sure but i noticed a weird thing:
Load the original 23.976fps .mkv into tmpgenc is not equal to load the .mov + .ac3
There is a 2 frame difference between the original and the mov file, that means the audio should be corrected by 2*1000/23.976 = 83,416ms (83ms or 84ms)
Try it for yourself.
I'm sorry, forget about it!!
I accidentally turned off the mp4 reader..
I don't know how to edit this wrong post..
Post by: Deihmos on March 22, 2009, 06:42:00 PM
QUOTE(babanoosh @ Nov 21 2008, 03:32 PM)
by virtue of 360's limitation/crippling to mp4 H.264s:
1 - Less than 4GB
2 - 720p max
3 - less than 10mbit bitrate
4 - Level 4.1
5 - AAC LC 2 Channel
I wouldn't worry too much about dismissing this thread. wmv-hd is still the way to go, if one wants best PQ of HD on the 360.
The 360 supports 1080p with h264.
Post by: mhammett on April 05, 2009, 01:44:00 PM
Post by: wulfie on April 06, 2009, 12:25:00 AM
QUOTE(mhammett @ Apr 5 2009, 04:20 PM)
Does anyone have a copy of the first couple items he lists? Apparently the king has fallen since the links are dead.
You don't need anything other than tmpgen xpress, it's all I use and my hd-wmv files come out perfectly imo
Post by: leo5150 on April 13, 2009, 06:25:00 PM
Post by: G19 on April 14, 2009, 03:47:00 AM
QUOTE(leo5150 @ Apr 14 2009, 02:01 AM)
heres one for the mystery books 2 differnt sources of the transporter 1080p mkv plays fine BUT both the sources TMPGEncoder errors out BUT i have done like 5 mkv movie conversions so far and its only that movie thats errors out?
Try using the Expression Encoder method here - http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=628473
Post by: siegex on April 18, 2009, 04:52:00 PM
QUOTE(siegex @ Apr 16 2009, 12:43 AM)
Note that I have yet to change the source frame rate to 24fps as suggested and so far so good. Ive been planning to do a test of a 20min segment since this is when its supposed to stutter.
I just gave it a test and it is noticeably BETTER when you set the *SOURCE* frame rate to 24fps as suggested by the guide. It doesn't make much sense why you have to do it, but you definitely should.
Post by: ONI5 on April 22, 2009, 06:23:00 PM
Post by: crazyshiza on June 08, 2009, 11:50:00 AM
Post by: Iskondi on June 10, 2009, 10:06:00 AM
I ran through what you suggested for doing this all from the command line and it worked AWESOME for my 29.970 frame rate mkv files but for my 23.976 mkvs it seems to only encode the audio and ignore the video, even though Mediainfo says that the video is there and at the correct frame rate...
Any idea why I'm running into this and what might solve it? It's very consistant.
Thanks again for your awesome command line based solution!!! I plan on wrapping it into a perl script so that I can have it run through a whole directory worth of stuff.
On a slightly different not a guy named darick created this gui wrapper for the same process you created called Video Encoder, as seen here: http://videoencoder.codeplex.com/
It too works GREAT for someone that doesn't want to mess with the command line. Unfortunately for me it has the same results as your command line batch file.
Any ideas would be very welcome, thanks again!
Iskondi
Post by: Iskondi on June 10, 2009, 10:40:00 AM
If I could edit it out of my post I would but since I can't I'll post this instead!
Thanks crazyshiza! Video Encoder rocks!
Iskondi
Post by: Iskondi on June 10, 2009, 02:57:00 PM
When I installed CoreAVC for doing the h.264 encoding and AC3 Filter for the AC3 it no longer glitches but the ending video is both glitchy with audio and video.
If I remove the subtitle track from the original MKV file then I can correctly redo with just FFDShow but I don't know whether or not that is going to correct my Audio/Video glitching issues.
Anyone have some suggestions regarding the audio/video glitching?
Thanks!!
Iskondi
Post by: Iskondi on June 12, 2009, 10:01:00 AM
Thanks,
Iskondi
Post by: k3nnis on June 15, 2009, 11:46:00 PM
If I convert my .mkv movie to 360 ready WMV-HD using this tutorial, will the video and audio quality be the same as the original mkv file?
Thanks,
K.
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Post by: markyk1974 on October 02, 2009, 12:01:00 PM
Thanks in advance
Post by: perfectdark on October 03, 2009, 07:22:00 AM
QUOTE(markyk1974 @ Oct 2 2009, 07:01 PM)
I'm finding this to be a nightmare. I'm wanting to convert H.264 into a format comaptable with the 360. All the original links to download the necessary files for the tutorial are out of date. I have searched everywhere and the only success i've had in converting h.264 to a 360 format has been with encodeHD and even that gave me an out of sync video. Can anybody please help me in this task.
Thanks in advance
ditto for me
we need a simple program like MKV2VOB for the Ps3,,, any out there
Post by: elm27 on January 20, 2010, 08:22:00 PM
1. Extract the contents of the attached file. This tutorial assumes you have extracted the file to the root of your E: drive, so you'll be working from e:\wmv_working\ If this is not the case, you'll need to open the movie.avs file in Notepad and change the directory. Copy your source MKV file to your \wmv_working\ directory and rename it to movie.mkv
i wanna learn how to do this!
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Post by: y2j514 on May 30, 2010, 12:42:00 PM
Im using a gateway Quad Core computer with 8gb of RAM. Running Windows 7 64bit, and I noticed something that is bugging me.
When I go to set the Prefetch settings for the video and audio, the Chris Lynch`s tutorial states the maximum is 1024 and 32 MB respectively. However, I can only set it to 512MB and 32 MB respectively. Why? Im using TMPGEnc 4.0 Xpress 4.7.6.304
Did Pegasys change the maximum? or what gives? I do remember it actually being set to 1024 when I was running Vista on the very same computer.
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Post by: tariqosuave on May 14, 2011, 06:26:00 PM
QUOTE(sharer @ May 11 2011, 02:20 PM)
You got it all wrong man, all you need is VLC and a tad bit of command line knowledge
Alil help with that?
Post by: johndev on January 17, 2012, 04:14:00 AM