Post by: Xbox-Scene on June 19, 2007, 04:50:00 PM
Blockbuster's Blu-ray Endorsement Having Major Impact on HD DVD Sales Posted by XanTium | June 19 18:14 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
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Post by: radoman on June 19, 2007, 04:29:00 PM
Post by: revs on June 19, 2007, 03:58:00 PM
If this means that one format is going to end up on top then i'm happy... I kinda liked HD-DVD tho.. oh well
Post by: PerfectGun on June 19, 2007, 04:42:00 PM
I could care less really. I don't plan on buying into either format for at least another year or 2.
I think it's a shame that the Xbox 360 is being grouped into HD-DVD's success or failure. They simply made an add-on for the console and did HD-DVD because at the time these formats launched it was superior. They can just as easily make a Blu-ray player add-on and support that format. I think I would of been more inclined to link the 360 to HD-DVD if the player was internal.
But I guess fanboys will take whatever ammo they can get when bashing/defending their system.
Post by: prplehz on June 19, 2007, 04:49:00 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on June 19, 2007, 04:49:00 PM
Universal is the only studio that has exclusively backed HD-DVD.
Content is King.
HDDVD had no chance to win this war.
Post by: Antdog24 on June 19, 2007, 04:53:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Jun 19 2007, 10:49 PM) 
Sony Pictures (along with Columbia and MGM), Disney, 20th Century Fox, anb Lions Gate have exclusively backed Blu-ray.
Universal is the only studio that has exclusively backed HD-DVD.
Content is King.
HDDVD had no chance to win this war.
In addition to Universal you left out New line cinema, Warner Brothers, Paramount and HBO. But don't let me get in the way of your agenda...
Post by: DMAddict on June 19, 2007, 04:19:00 PM
Post by: sicknasty413 on June 19, 2007, 04:58:00 PM
Post by: ravage73 on June 19, 2007, 04:28:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Jun 19 2007, 06:49 PM) 
Sony Pictures (along with Columbia and MGM), Disney, 20th Century Fox, anb Lions Gate have exclusively backed Blu-ray.
Universal is the only studio that has exclusively backed HD-DVD.
Content is King.
HDDVD had no chance to win this war.
you do know the porn industry has chosen hd-dvd.
Post by: I_LIVE_IN_COMPTON on June 19, 2007, 05:10:00 PM
have no fear my HD DVD fans!
Post by: mlmadmax on June 19, 2007, 05:15:00 PM
This post has been edited by mlmadmax: Jun 20 2007, 12:15 AM
Post by: crispwarez on June 19, 2007, 05:16:00 PM
blockbuster is such a rip off when u can pay £15 a month for 3 disc a time unlimited rentals
i cant see it having such a major impact
the porn industry usually decides what wins
Post by: bucko on June 19, 2007, 05:16:00 PM
Post by: Killa420 on June 19, 2007, 04:42:00 PM
QUOTE(ravage73 @ Jun 20 2007, 12:04 AM)
you do know the porn industry has chosen hd-dvd.
Exactly.
Post by: xcalixxryderx on June 19, 2007, 05:18:00 PM
Post by: crispwarez on June 19, 2007, 05:19:00 PM
if ppl think a format will fail who will invest in it?
Post by: stbennet on June 19, 2007, 05:26:00 PM
The funny part about this to me is that Viacom owns Blockbuster and Paramount, and Paramount is issuing both BluRay and Hd-Dvd's....Go figure.
Post by: eldritch2k4 on June 19, 2007, 05:04:00 PM
QUOTE(mlmadmax @ Jun 19 2007, 07:15 PM)
I can't wait for a dual format player to come out, hopefully after this will turn out like + and - dvd's where it ultimately doesn't matter.
LG has already released a dual format player. It costs about $1100.
Post by: trey85stang on June 19, 2007, 05:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Antdog24 @ Jun 19 2007, 11:53 PM)
In addition to Universal you left out New line cinema, Warner Brothers, Paramount and HBO. But don't let me get in the way of your agenda...
all the studios you listed support both formats.. not one or the other. At least try and make an attack that has merit.
and all the porn industry comments are stupid. Who cares what they choose.. no one buys porn on fixed media anymore.
Post by: juan_2006 on June 19, 2007, 05:35:00 PM
But now my local Shopper's is renting new releases for 1.99 though they have to be returned next day but come on how many times do people watch a movie?? Their decision doesn't hurt me at all. Screw Blockbuster those greedy bastards. I wont be buying anything until this is sorted out.
Post by: Ranger72 on June 19, 2007, 05:47:00 PM
QUOTE(ravage73 @ Jun 20 2007, 12:04 AM)
you do know the porn industry has chosen hd-dvd.
That may have accounted for something back in the VHS days but dont mean crap now. People mainly get their porn from the internet these days because it makes them feel more private and if you look good enough you will find porn on Blu-Ray as well.
Everyone that is delusional enough to think HDDVD has a chance go to their local Wal-Mart and take a good hard look at the HDDVD and Blu-ray display. Note how many Blu-Ray titles there are compared to HDDVD. Also note that any title that is on both Blu-Ray and HDDVD is about $5 cheaper on Blu-Ray.
No matter how you look at it Blu-Ray wins. Why does this bother people so much?
I have both formats so I am happy with whomever wins but I am able to look past the entire BS and see that the war is all but over.
And I agree Blockbuster has nothing to do with Blu-Ray winning this thing.
Post by: zapata07 on June 19, 2007, 06:29:00 PM
Post by: halofun121 on June 19, 2007, 06:32:00 PM
I don't really care frankly. Whichever one wins, so be it (although it would be hilarious if Sony's format kicked the bucket AGAIN).
This post has been edited by halofun121: Jun 20 2007, 01:34 AM
Post by: Fyb3roptik on June 19, 2007, 06:45:00 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on June 19, 2007, 06:17:00 PM
QUOTE(Fyb3roptik @ Jun 20 2007, 01:45 AM)
blu-ray is totally gay.....who likes sony anyways?? Look at all the other crap they tried to push onto the market that flopped......Beta max, UMD, Cell Processor <---yes it flopped only sony makes it now IBM and toshiba dropped it. And you cannot retort saying UMD didnt flop because no one but sony uses it. Please oh please let hd-dvd win, if not for anything let it win because it has a superior name!!! Blu-ray just sounds stupid!! ITS NOT EVEN A BLUE LIGHT!!! ITS VIOLET
Its people like you why HD DVD will fail.
Post by: lando786 on June 19, 2007, 07:03:00 PM
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Post by: redwolf on June 19, 2007, 07:06:00 PM
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=18181
QUOTE
FOX has picked up the primary license rights to the Halo movie and they are indeed exclusively backing the Blu-ray format which could leave HD-DVD out in the cold.
This post has been edited by redwolf: Jun 20 2007, 02:07 AM
Post by: Hmerly on June 19, 2007, 07:18:00 PM
QUOTE(redwolf @ Jun 19 2007, 07:06 PM)
it gets worse (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=18181
First, they report it as rumor. Secondly, they are completely wrong in mentioning the movie. Fox has licensed the Halo IP in regards to merchandise. This means we'll get lunch boxes, toys, etc featuring HALO with Fox distributing or controlling who distributes. Nothing about the movie, sorry.
Post by: Big Al on June 19, 2007, 07:23:00 PM
Post by: mc_365 on June 19, 2007, 07:25:00 PM
Sony charges an arm for licensing of any of it's propriatary tech.
The PS3 is a flop.
Production Cost are Higher for Disk and Players.
Early adopters seem to aggree HD-DVD has a slight edge in P.Q.
The name is familiar.
From the beggining all players supported Enhanced interactive programming.
Is there some kind of contract that has been signed?
Can an exclusive supporter never support any competing format?
Post by: Samy`D on June 19, 2007, 07:43:00 PM
Post by: moogster66 on June 19, 2007, 07:17:00 PM
Post by: xcalixxryderx on June 19, 2007, 07:23:00 PM
QUOTE(moogster66 @ Jun 19 2007, 06:53 PM)
Which format will we be able to backup first? I crown thee thy winner!
Bolth formats can aready be backed up only prob is with hd-dvd finding media a burners
Post by: PatchBokov on June 19, 2007, 07:29:00 PM
Post by: dime on June 19, 2007, 08:15:00 PM
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Jun 19 2007, 05:49 PM)
Sony Pictures (along with Columbia and MGM), Disney, 20th Century Fox, anb Lions Gate have exclusively backed Blu-ray.
Universal is the only studio that has exclusively backed HD-DVD.
Content is King.
HDDVD had no chance to win this war.
QUOTE(Antdog24 @ Jun 19 2007, 05:53 PM)
In addition to Universal you left out New line cinema, Warner Brothers, Paramount and HBO. But don't let me get in the way of your agenda...
Actually you are both wrong. Weinstein and Universal are both exclusive to HD DVD. Weinstein Co. is new and very small but owns movies like Scary Movie, Scream, Sin City, GrindHouse
The 8 major movie studios are:
Universal (HD)
Weinstein (HD)
Warner (both, but leaning HD)
Paramount (both)
Sony (BD)
Disney (BD)
Fox (BD)
Lions Gate (BD)
New Line and HBO releases are owned by Warner Bros. Warner Bros. has released a lot of exclusive movies for HD DVD because they like the interactivity features of the format and are waiting for Blu-ray camp to work out their standards and get the interactivity features working. This is why movies like Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, and The Matrix are currently exclusive to HD DVD and Harry Potter in the UK.
This post has been edited by dime: Jun 20 2007, 03:26 AM
Post by: mlmadmax on June 19, 2007, 08:28:00 PM
QUOTE(eldritch2k4 @ Jun 19 2007, 04:40 PM)
LG has already released a dual format player. It costs about $1100.
Show me a good review and where i can actually buy it an i would appruciate it.
edit never mind i found it, this is a very limited release at best and is not avalable in major retail stores yet. When a couple lower priced players hit the mass market i hope it will end the war.
This post has been edited by mlmadmax: Jun 20 2007, 03:32 AM
Post by: dime on June 19, 2007, 08:35:00 PM
QUOTE(mlmadmax @ Jun 19 2007, 09:28 PM)
Show me a good review and where i can actually buy it an i would appruciate it.
THe LG dual format player has been heavily criticized because it does not properly support HD DVD menus and interactivity. There is a Samsung dual format player scheduled for the end of the year which is supposed to fully support both formats without the issues of the LG player. It will most likely be very expensive like the LG player.
Also Warner Bros. has announced a "Total HD" or THD disc format that has the Blu-ray copy of a movie on one side and a HD DVD copy of the movie on the other. This Total HD format is supposed to be released by the end of the year and will be playable on all HD DVD and Blu-ray players.
Post by: WildMonkeys on June 19, 2007, 08:37:00 PM
I hope this shit doesn't flop
and when is Battlestar Galactica coming to HD DVD? If NBC backs it...?
Post by: komodothesly on June 19, 2007, 08:56:00 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on June 19, 2007, 08:35:00 PM
QUOTE(komodothesly @ Jun 20 2007, 03:56 AM)
dont forget bout walmart making a deal with that chinese manufacture to make so many of hd-dvd players for like 100.00 bucks
Go to Wal-Mart and look at the HD DVD and Blu-Ray displays. You will clearly see Wal-Mart is backing Blu-Ray.
Post by: Rodimus04 on June 19, 2007, 09:16:00 PM
Ok, Porn is on Blu-Ray. Vivd is releasing porn on Blu-Ray.
Universal and Weinstein are the only 2 major studios that are HD-DVD exclusive the others are neutral or Blu-Ray exclusive.
I don't care which wins I have a PS3 but I'm using Netflix to rent Blu-Rays.
They are both using the same video and audio codecs so the picture and sounds can be the same.
Someone for me name 2 manufactures of stand alone HD-DVD players that isn't Toshiba(dual-format players excluded).
Wal-Mart is not making a cheep HD-DVD player they spoke out to correct this rumor saying they are waiting to see who is going to win first.
This post has been edited by Rodimus04: Jun 20 2007, 04:18 AM
Post by: NoMention on June 19, 2007, 09:18:00 PM
Give it up people. Right now, neither Blu-Ray nor HD-DVD is winning. Regular DVD is still kicking the crap out of both. You want to know why? Because average Joe Schmoe can only afford the $45 APEX player from Wal-Mart. Not the $500 HD player. And he shuffles through the $5 DVD rack, not the $25 Blu-Ray section. The vast majority of the population is still on SDTV, not HDTV. These people do not have HDTV nor do they have BR/HDDVD. They can barely pay the child support on their 6 illegitimate children.
So please, do the needed research before you embarrass yourself...
Post by: colt45joe on June 19, 2007, 09:47:00 PM
QUOTE(ravage73 @ Jun 20 2007, 12:04 AM)
you do know the porn industry has chosen hd-dvd.
so?
a lot of people get porn online. Porn choosing hd-dvd means nothing. it meant something back in the day when the only way to watch porn privately was with vhs.
Post by: Foolscrow on June 19, 2007, 11:13:00 PM
"A tipster at an unnamed retailer..." Vague upon vague. This sounds like an 18 yr old kid, who's been rubbing one out over his PS3, jumping on the 'HD DVD suxorz" bandwagon. "...they've had more HD DVD player orders canceled over the last few days than they've seen over the entire life cycle. The kicker? All of them were canceled because of the Blockbuster announcement." Given the fact that neither of the formats are exactly flying out the door, 2 cancelations could be more than they've seen.
I've tried to dig up a verifible story, making the same claims as this one, and have yet to do so. I've seen a lot of speculation on what this means, I've found a lot of references back to this unnamed tipster at an unnamed store, but I've yet to see any kind of real data to support the story, as posted.
Blockbuster has only decided to go Blu-ray in their stores atm. If you go to their online site, you'll find quite a selection of HD DVD available. The stores have been floundering since Netflix opened up, and (at least at the stores in my area) their parking lot is usually, fairly empty.
I own both formats, and IMO HD DVD looks better, in a side by side comparison. The features are implemented better, the blacks (which are a telling point of quality in HD) are deeper, and the colors are slightly more vibrant...without looking over-saturated. (I did the comparison, sheerly out of curiosity, with the same movie in both formats, on the same tv, using the same cables and an A/B switch, to keep the settings the same).
To blu-ray's credit, they do have more studio support (meaning a larger library), and are doing a better job at getting their name out there ("Coming Tues. on DVD and Blu-ray"). Unfortunately, the biggest downfall to their players is that a large portion of them will lose functionality when they upgrade their Java menus, in October. These players lack the capacity to do a firmware update, and everything accessible thru the menu won't be when the new releases start using the upgraded Java.
I hope HD DVD wins, honestly, because they don't have quite as many restrictions on back-ups (Fox, especially, pushed for stricter copy protections), their format is finalized (no obsolete Java), and the most important detail of all...THEY'RE LESS EXPENSIVE. You will see a set-top model for HD at around the $200 price point by christmas, and that alone will put a serious knot in Sony's shorts.
Post by: Lord Serebi on June 19, 2007, 11:50:00 PM
Post by: Neoistheone2000 on June 20, 2007, 12:55:00 AM
QUOTE(xcalixxryderx @ Jun 19 2007, 07:18 PM)
I wonder how much $$$ sony paid for this
Probably as much as they did at Wal-Mart because this past weekend I was unable to find 1 HD-DVD in 3 Wal-Marts and the local Circuit City only had a little potato chip rack full of HD-DVD's, If only they advertised it a LOT more...
Post by: Liquidvlade Hiraduo on June 20, 2007, 07:10:00 AM
Add-ons were never appealing to me, unless it was Extremely necessary, but honestly, I rather see Blu-Ray come on top, they are cheaper in my area than HD-DVD and a few other things.
But the MAIN reason why Blu-Ray is doing slightly better, its because Sony is forcing their users to have a Blu-Ray player through the PS3, and people obviously are gonna go to Blockbuster to rent PS3 games and if there is no decent ones, they will ask for Blu-Ray.
I talked to one of the BB managers about 4 months ago and I asked him, are you guys bringing HD-DVD or Blu-Ray? He said "Right now, neither, but by late June, early July it will be Blu-Ray" and when I ask why? He said "Nobody asks for HD-DVD, most people ask for Blu-Ray because they own a PS3, but anyway, every other average guy still goes for DVD's"
Which is duh true.
Post by: Fyb3roptik on June 20, 2007, 07:12:00 AM
Post by: ravage73 on June 20, 2007, 07:16:00 AM
Post by: ravage73 on June 20, 2007, 03:55:00 PM
QUOTE(Goldenbear @ Jun 20 2007, 04:05 PM)
I'm just want one format to win out soon, so that I can stop buying DVDs.
Post by: mc_365 on June 21, 2007, 08:34:00 AM
Sony forced that spec.
Post by: matasnaza on June 21, 2007, 02:00:00 PM
I never have, and probably never will own any version of Playstation, but I have to say that while alot of people, especially here, have criticised Sony for making BR standard on every PS3, it has proved to be very successful... if only in assuring the victory of BR over HD DVD. Who knows, it may even prove to be the biggest assett to the PS3 platform in a couple of years to have the advantage of the much higher capacity. Only time will tell.
I have a Xbox 1 and mostly just use it for xbmc. I would love to turn all of my movies, tv shows, music into digital and store it all onto one uber-hard drive. That is still a couple of years off to have that sort of storage capacity, and when that finally comes around, I'd rather be able to back it up onto fewer disks when I can eventually afford a burner of the winning format for my computer. I guess that is my purely selfish reason for rooting for BR, so that I can have fewer burned disks sitting on my desk.
Post by: mc_365 on June 24, 2007, 12:31:00 PM
QUOTE(Goldenbear @ Jun 21 2007, 08:44 PM)
Where do people get this mis-information?
BD supports the following codecs: MPEG-2, H.264, and VC-1.
HD-DVD supports the following codecs: MPEG-2, H.264, and VC-1.
The initial version of Sony's authoring software apparently only supported MPEG-2, so early BD disks were encoded as such. Some currently shipping disks may still use MPEG-2 (probaby because some people didn't want to upgrade their authoring software).
In any case, it's up to the developers/publishers which compression scheme they use. It has NOTHING to do with the capabilities of BD or HD-DVD.
http://gizmodo.com/g...decs-140423.php
http://www.ultimatea.../706dsamsungbd/
http://www.hdtvsolut..._Vs_Blu-ray.htm
Quote from wikipedia
"The initial version of Sony's Blu-ray Disc-authoring software shipped with support for only 1 video-codec: MPEG-2[citation needed]. Consequently, all launch titles were encoded in MPEG-2 video[citation needed]. A subsequent update allowed the content producers to author titles in any of the 3 supported codecs: MPEG-2, VC-1, or H.264[citation needed]. The choice of codecs affects the producer's licensing/royalty costs, as well as the title's maximum runtime "
So yes blu-ray supports the same codecs but the studios have to pay more for them.
And how do consumers know what is being used?
I would say the majority of BD titles thus far have been done with mpeg-2 compression.