Post by: Xbox-Scene on February 14, 2007, 08:39:00 PM
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Post by: 0794 on February 14, 2007, 08:10:00 PM
It will be interesting to see the response from the industry.
Post by: Heet on February 14, 2007, 08:14:00 PM
Post by: appleguru on February 14, 2007, 08:42:00 PM
<rant>Oh, and can the US Supreme court repeal the friggin DMCA already? (At least 17 U.S.C. § 1201...) It's a terrible law designed to destroy consumer rights, and is of.. questionable constitutionality at best (Especially since it directly conflicts with the fair use statutes of the Copyright Act of 1976 (Read: Fair Use; 17 U.S.C § 107)</rant>
Post by: DMAddict on February 14, 2007, 09:13:00 PM
Post by: pholly on February 14, 2007, 09:28:00 PM
Post by: Heet on February 14, 2007, 09:30:00 PM
Post by: signal-to-noise-ratio on February 14, 2007, 10:51:00 PM
QUOTE(appleguru @ Feb 14 2007, 10:49 PM) 
And there's another nail in the DRM coffin. The last two months have certainly been adding a ton of them. Good stuff.
<rant>Oh, and can the US Supreme court repeal the friggin DMCA already? (At least 17 U.S.C. § 1201...) It's a terrible law designed to destroy consumer rights, and is of.. questionable constitutionality at best (Especially since it directly conflicts with the fair use statutes of the Copyright Act of 1976 (Read: Fair Use; 17 U.S.C § 107)</rant>
Isnt the Dmca the thing that makes it illegal to modify or reverse engineer any electronics you buy and own? That law has to get flushed soon iits killing ingenuity / hobbyism.
Post by: Heet on February 14, 2007, 11:10:00 PM
Post by: appleguru on February 14, 2007, 11:27:00 PM
QUOTE(signal-to-noise-ratio @ Feb 15 2007, 12:58 AM)
Isnt the Dmca the thing that makes it illegal to modify or reverse engineer any electronics you buy and own? That law has to get flushed soon iits killing ingenuity / hobbyism.
Yes, that one.
QUOTE(Heet @ Feb 15 2007, 01:17 AM)
Hmm if anything I'd say it has boosted it honestly. Its lit a fire under a lot of asses.
While there's probablly some truth to that, the fact remains that it makes much of what we should be able to do illegal... and while that rarely has any actual repercussions for consumers circumventing encryption/protection on digital works for their own private and non-commercial use, we shouldn't be criminals for protecting our investment (IE, backing up a game or a dvd), form-shifting our media (IE, rippng a DVD so we can play it back on our iPod without having to re-purchase it from, say, the iTunes Music Store), or expanding the capabilities of hardware that we own (IE chipping an xbox to run linux or xbmc).
...all of which are illegal under the current law:
QUOTE(17 U.S.C. § 1201)
(a) Violations Regarding Circumvention of Technological Measures.
(1)
(A) No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. The prohibition contained in the preceding sentence shall take effect at the end of the 2-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this chapter.
(B) The prohibition contained in subparagraph (A) shall not apply to persons who are users of a copyrighted work which is in a particular class of works, if such persons are, or are likely to be in the succeeding 3-year period, adversely affected by virtue of such prohibition in their ability to make noninfringing uses of that particular class of works under this title, as determined under subparagraph ©.
© During the 2-year period described in subparagraph (A), and during each succeeding 3-year period, the Librarian of Congress, upon the recommendation of the Register of Copyrights, who shall consult with the Assistant Secretary for Communications and Information of the Department of Commerce and report and comment on his or her views in making such recommendation, shall make the determination in a rulemaking proceeding for purposes of subparagraph (B) of whether persons who are users of a copyrighted work are, or are likely to be in the succeeding 3-year period, adversely affected by the prohibition under subparagraph (A) in their ability to make noninfringing uses under this title of a particular class of copyrighted works. In conducting such rulemaking, the Librarian shall examine
(i) the availability for use of copyrighted works;
(ii) the availability for use of works for nonprofit archival, preservation, and educational purposes;
(iii) the impact that the prohibition on the circumvention of technological measures applied to copyrighted works has on criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research;
(iv) the effect of circumvention of technological measures on the market for or value of copyrighted works; and
(v) such other factors as the Librarian considers appropriate.
(D) The Librarian shall publish any class of copyrighted works for which the Librarian has determined, pursuant to the rulemaking conducted under subparagraph ©, that noninfringing uses by persons who are users of a copyrighted work are, or are likely to be, adversely affected, and the prohibition contained in subparagraph (A) shall not apply to such users with respect to such class of works for the ensuing 3-year period.
(E) Neither the exception under subparagraph (B) from the applicability of the prohibition contained in subparagraph (A), nor any determination made in a rulemaking conducted under subparagraph ©, may be used as a defense in any action to enforce any provision of this title other than this paragraph.
(2) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that
(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title;
(B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or
© is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that persons knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.
(3) As used in this subsection
(A) to circumvent a technological measure means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and
(B) a technological measure effectively controls access to a work if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work.
(1)
(A) No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. The prohibition contained in the preceding sentence shall take effect at the end of the 2-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this chapter.
(B) The prohibition contained in subparagraph (A) shall not apply to persons who are users of a copyrighted work which is in a particular class of works, if such persons are, or are likely to be in the succeeding 3-year period, adversely affected by virtue of such prohibition in their ability to make noninfringing uses of that particular class of works under this title, as determined under subparagraph ©.
© During the 2-year period described in subparagraph (A), and during each succeeding 3-year period, the Librarian of Congress, upon the recommendation of the Register of Copyrights, who shall consult with the Assistant Secretary for Communications and Information of the Department of Commerce and report and comment on his or her views in making such recommendation, shall make the determination in a rulemaking proceeding for purposes of subparagraph (B) of whether persons who are users of a copyrighted work are, or are likely to be in the succeeding 3-year period, adversely affected by the prohibition under subparagraph (A) in their ability to make noninfringing uses under this title of a particular class of copyrighted works. In conducting such rulemaking, the Librarian shall examine
(i) the availability for use of copyrighted works;
(ii) the availability for use of works for nonprofit archival, preservation, and educational purposes;
(iii) the impact that the prohibition on the circumvention of technological measures applied to copyrighted works has on criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research;
(iv) the effect of circumvention of technological measures on the market for or value of copyrighted works; and
(v) such other factors as the Librarian considers appropriate.
(D) The Librarian shall publish any class of copyrighted works for which the Librarian has determined, pursuant to the rulemaking conducted under subparagraph ©, that noninfringing uses by persons who are users of a copyrighted work are, or are likely to be, adversely affected, and the prohibition contained in subparagraph (A) shall not apply to such users with respect to such class of works for the ensuing 3-year period.
(E) Neither the exception under subparagraph (B) from the applicability of the prohibition contained in subparagraph (A), nor any determination made in a rulemaking conducted under subparagraph ©, may be used as a defense in any action to enforce any provision of this title other than this paragraph.
(2) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that
(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title;
(B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or
© is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that persons knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.
(3) As used in this subsection
(A) to circumvent a technological measure means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and
(B) a technological measure effectively controls access to a work if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work.
Post by: Heet on February 15, 2007, 12:55:00 AM
Post by: adamscybot on February 15, 2007, 02:28:00 AM
Vista's pretty much cracked too - bye bye protected media pipeline!
Adam
Post by: MaxP on February 15, 2007, 03:24:00 AM
QUOTE(pholly @ Feb 15 2007, 04:35 AM)
I want something that will allow me to rip and hddvd and/or bluray movie to a wmvhd then I'd be a happy monkey
when this happens we can all have one big happy monkey party.
i see the comment about waiting for tommorows news in relation to your post.
was that in jest do you think or is there something in the works ?
interesting ?
Post by: xombouw on February 15, 2007, 06:51:00 AM
Is there any progress on streaming HD (EVO file format) to the 360?
Post by: garnold0611 on February 15, 2007, 07:11:00 AM
Post by: Trex666 on February 15, 2007, 07:17:00 AM
QUOTE(xombouw @ Feb 15 2007, 01:58 PM)
Okay, I'm no expert on this... but no doubt there is great progress.
Is there any progress on streaming HD (EVO file format) to the 360?
Cant you just use Tversity and the proper codecs to transcode it?
^Yes that should work, now that AACS is bypassed so is HDCP.
Post by: Chan163 on February 15, 2007, 08:58:00 AM
....that's it. The movie industry is defeated before the new HD formats even really started.... ok, we NEED to get that working on Blue Ray too, so no unfair things will happen, like movie industry only supporting BlueRay.... or maybe only HDDVD, because the market for drives would rise rapidly....
Post by: Diekund on February 15, 2007, 09:31:00 AM
QUOTE(Chan163 @ Feb 15 2007, 04:05 PM)
Most people don't need to store it in 1080p, because they only have 720p displays, so around 9-10Gb per movie is enough. And with some minor degradations it will fit on a DVD-(+)R DL. So....
....that's it. The movie industry is defeated before the new HD formats even really started.... ok, we NEED to get that working on Blue Ray too, so no unfair things will happen, like movie industry only supporting BlueRay.... or maybe only HDDVD, because the market for drives would rise rapidly....
lol WE, go ahead young sir. By we i presume you mean the reverse engineers, and not yourself
Good work any goodbye DRM
Post by: dmitri on February 15, 2007, 11:21:00 AM
QUOTE(xombouw @ Feb 15 2007, 01:58 PM)
Okay, I'm no expert on this... but no doubt there is great progress.
Is there any progress on streaming HD (EVO file format) to the 360?
Are tools available to convert HD-DVD to WMV? If so you can convert to WMV-HD, and stream it with WMP11, or play it right back on your Xbox's DVD drive.
Oh and a note for the "DRM haters".
DRM has, and will always exist, in one form or another. Sure it's harder to enforce when your install base is 10 million. There will always be serial #s, validation checks, etc., etc. Studios will always protect their assets. DRM will not hurt sales more than .001% (that's about 10,000 360s, pretty high average).
And if there was no DRM, piracy would quadrulple.
So "yay" for the little guy taking on the big corporation, but don't think protected media will ever stop. People steal less cars and break into less homes with locked doors, it's a proven fact.
-dp