Post by: Xbox-Scene on January 13, 2007, 10:29:00 PM
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Post by: signal-to-noise-ratio on January 13, 2007, 09:17:00 PM
Merged by JayDee
Please remember the following:
Things that will get you BANNEDÂ…
- Asking for, or offering to hand out or distribute HD-DVD or BD-DVD Keys, whether they are volume or player etc matters not. Making your own backups is one thing.. asking for KEYS.. or offering them to others is a different thing entirely.
http://pictures.xbox...rules/Rules.htm
Post by: kevhonda on January 13, 2007, 11:03:00 PM
Thanks to all involved!!
Post by: JayDee on January 14, 2007, 02:17:00 AM
I, as a consumer, will buy the alternative that has the fewest limitations, and in this case (so far) HD-DVD.
It is scary how the industry have gone on the "this will make everyone copy and we wont make any money" bandwagon and in essence making criminals out of everyone the last 30 odd years or so whenever a new video/audio system comes.
With things escalating as they have the last couple of years they better start listing more the the consumers, who actually are the once that buy stuff, then some lobbying group.
People tend to find ways to get what they want and this has been proven by history, time and time again...
(and again and again and again)
Post by: luther349 on January 14, 2007, 02:32:00 AM
QUOTE(JayDee @ Jan 14 2007, 10:48 AM) 
I find the corporate talk about this being an attack on HD-DVD to make blueray look better funny.
I, as a consumer, will buy the alternative that has the fewest limitations, and in this case (so far) HD-DVD.
It is scary how the industry have gone on the "this will make everyone copy and we wont make any money" bandwagon and in essence making criminals out of everyone the last 30 odd years or so whenever a new video/audio system comes.
With things escalating as they have the last couple of years they better start listing more the the consumers, who actually are the once that buy stuff, then some lobbying group.
People tend to find ways to get what they want and this has been proven by history, time and time again...
(and again and again and again)
this has been there stand sence you could record your own cassets and vhs/batamax tapes. when it finnly got to the courts they ruled it was fair use and shot there stance down. now where in the digatal age and there doing it again the problem this time around is that its not 2 coraptions fighting it out its the custmers vs the corprations. and like you said they lobby there way threw the system. the problem with lobbying is they pay them and vote for them. so if they dont listion they probly whont get voted for again. its proof if people acully voted even on the smaller state votes it wouldent be a problem. it will evently get out of controle and the custmers will fight back but that time hasent come yet.
This post has been edited by luther349: Jan 14 2007, 10:33 AM
Post by: doofies on January 14, 2007, 05:21:00 AM
Post by: Rage2wrath on January 14, 2007, 07:53:00 AM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on January 14, 2007, 08:47:00 AM
Post by: generalnewbie on January 14, 2007, 09:18:00 AM
QUOTE(Rage2wrath @ Jan 14 2007, 03:24 PM)
Does anyone know if this workaround removes the HDCP? I have the Xbox 360 drive hooked up to my computer, and when I try playing the movies on my projector hooked up through my DVI cable I get the HDCP error, even though all my equipment supports HDCP. So I would Like to be able to copy the movie to my hard drive and play it back that way. That would be the only thing that interests me at this point. Other than that I can't even think of what I would do with a 10 gig evo file.
This is exactly what its meant for you to be able to do. It removes the HDCP requirements so that people with DVI can watch a movie on their pc. Providing your pc is fast enough to play the HD DVD. But some people have experienced some frame skips and minor glitches.
Post by: signal-to-noise-ratio on January 14, 2007, 09:00:00 AM
QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Jan 14 2007, 10:53 AM) 
I hope the rest of this year shows us some real improvement, like homebrew apps, instead of this pirate crap.
Technology is a tool it can be used for good or bad. This willl help people not have to spend money on frivilous new monitors to play hd content also it will help people protect their investments and not have to buy new movies by keeping the originals safely stored away and running backups. Im happy with an upscaled line doubled dvd. The creative dxr3/ hollywood used to kick back in the day. Im gonna wait a while on any type of hd disc.
Post by: Rage2wrath on January 14, 2007, 09:52:00 AM
Post by: XVegitto on January 14, 2007, 09:19:00 AM
QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Jan 14 2007, 05:53 PM)
I hope the rest of this year shows us some real improvement, like homebrew apps, instead of this pirate crap.
Did you even know what this is about?..here is a breakdown.
The user has a hd-dvd drive + hd-dvd movie and they have a slightly old but nice working projector that does not support hdcp crap, so what will he do, sit on his ass and wish the movie companies do something for him? fat chance, he spent lots of money for all this crap and he can't even watch it, this is where this will come in the user can decrypt their legally owned movie and watch on whatever device he has. i wonder what you will do in this situation where you don't support this alleged piracy...will you go out and spend another £1000 on tv or projector when your old one worked just fine?. if everyone had your attitude i am sure sites like this great site and all the freedoms they give us with our devices will be non-existent.
Anyway ..i am glad its possible and congrats to all those involved.
Post by: Trex666 on January 14, 2007, 09:30:00 AM
QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Jan 14 2007, 03:53 PM)
I hope the rest of this year shows us some real improvement, like homebrew apps, instead of this pirate crap.
Oi oi, its called backing up and securing our investments
Yeah HDCP sucks, its just as bad as starforce, without the starforce certified monitor
Post by: gaming fanboy on January 14, 2007, 10:32:00 AM
QUOTE(Trex666 @ Jan 14 2007, 05:37 PM)
Oi oi, its called backing up and securing our investments
Yeah HDCP sucks, its just as bad as starforce, without the starforce certified monitor
lol
Post by: mlmadmax on January 14, 2007, 10:34:00 AM
Post by: signal-to-noise-ratio on January 14, 2007, 10:38:00 AM
QUOTE(Trex666 @ Jan 14 2007, 11:37 AM)
Oi oi, its called backing up and securing our investments
Yeah HDCP sucks, its just as bad as starforce, without the starforce certified monitor
Im so glad I never had to deal with starforce none of the games I bought had it. That was such a mess. I remember seeing stuff about it.
http://www.glop.org/starforce/
QUOTE
StarForce (all version known until August 2006) creates a real security problem when installed. The access control list of the drivers are set such that any user, including those without administrative rights, are allowed to change the association with the executable. Exploitation is simple: The user changes it to point at any arbitrarily chosen executable, which is executed with full system privileges on next reboot. This can be verified with the security tool "srvcheck2", which detects such potentially insecure driver configurations.
http://en.wikipedia....rce#Controversy
Post by: 0794 on January 14, 2007, 11:39:00 AM
Post by: 0794 on January 14, 2007, 04:44:00 PM
QUOTE(flashfreak @ Jan 14 2007, 04:43 PM)
Though whats the point of owning an original disc if you're never going to use it? I understand owning the original is the reason you're allowed to make a backup, but whats the point of hiding the original away in storage? Take care of your discs and you'll be right (though I know with the 306 that was different, as sometimes no matter how good care u took of the discs, it would damage them)
protecting them from children...nowhere is too high nor too hidden for those creatures...
Post by: roguetel on January 14, 2007, 05:59:00 PM
I have scratched/ruined discs by accidentally putting pressure on the CD/DVD tray when inserting or removing them. The door automatically closes and the media will get jammed half in/half out. Most of the time the player will not eject because it is stuck. Prying my $20 or $30 Audio CD, DVD, HD DVD out of that situation makes me wish I had taken the time to back it up. Not to mention my $60 game.
What a win for the honest consumer, people need to backup their hard earned investments.
Big thanks to all those involved.
Post by: Trex666 on January 14, 2007, 08:07:00 PM
I dont think so, since keys are currently in unprotected memory, the Trusted Computing chip will take care of it instead making it much harder to get a hold of
Oh and bluray FTW
Post by: Bizquick on January 14, 2007, 09:16:00 PM
Post by: w4rrior on January 15, 2007, 06:01:00 AM
Post by: Andronicus on January 15, 2007, 06:31:00 AM
As for Blue-Ray vs HD-DVD. It is going to be a draw. With the dual players, and dual disks, the consumer is not going to care. Much like DVDR+ and DVDR-, it all will just be a wash.
Post by: JayDee on January 15, 2007, 07:03:00 AM
QUOTE(flashfreak @ Jan 14 2007, 11:43 PM)
I just hope this...anti-security measure won't kill HD-DVD and put Blu-Ray ahead.
Though whats the point of owning an original disc if you're never going to use it? I understand owning the original is the reason you're allowed to make a backup, but whats the point of hiding the original away in storage? Take care of your discs and you'll be right (though I know with the 306 that was different, as sometimes no matter how good care u took of the discs, it would damage them)
People that do not want to buy a HDCP compliant gfx card/monitor/tv just becouse some company says so...
If i have a year old projector i might want to hook it up via VGA to get 1080, but wont be able to with the original disc (due to HDCP)
With this i can...
Post by: Transfer on January 15, 2007, 10:22:00 AM
This was probably put there for a reason. They knew that the first thing that can be compromised is AACS.
Once that is compromised HD DVD has had it. And Blue Ray can now do what? They can lobby that their format is more secure since it hasn't been compromised yet (meaning they have one more layer of security before it gets compromised).
By doing this they can push their format ahead after AACS was compromised (which they knew it would be in time).
It's a smart business move on behalf of BlueRay. It doesn't matter how secure BD+ is. The only thing that matters business wise, in order to convince the key people, is that generally BlueRay has more security than HD DVD and therefore you should protect your, meaning the movie studios, etc., investment by using our technology to distribute your works.
If there is more security that your work (movie, etc.) won't be compromised, then you should go that route.
That's why it was smart for the creators of BlueRay to make it AACS compliant plus BD+ compliant.
Post by: Bizquick on January 15, 2007, 11:59:00 AM
QUOTE(Transfer @ Jan 15 2007, 09:29 AM)
BlueRay has an additional layer of security over HD DVD.
This was probably put there for a reason. They knew that the first thing that can be compromised is AACS.
Once that is compromised HD DVD has had it. And Blue Ray can now do what? They can lobby that their format is more secure since it hasn't been compromised yet (meaning they have one more layer of security before it gets compromised).
By doing this they can push their format ahead after AACS was compromised (which they knew it would be in time).
It's a smart business move on behalf of BlueRay. It doesn't matter how secure BD+ is. The only thing that matters business wise, in order to convince the key people, is that generally BlueRay has more security than HD DVD and therefore you should protect your, meaning the movie studios, etc., investment by using our technology to distribute your works.
If there is more security that your work (movie, etc.) won't be compromised, then you should go that route.
That's why it was smart for the creators of BlueRay to make it AACS compliant plus BD+ compliant.
Dam I guess this means that the pirates can be blamed pretty much if HD-DVD fails to make it. I wish they waited to release this till Blu Ray was cracked. cause its so early on now they could just abandon the format now and be done with it. next time guys try to think about what this will do for standards if you don't treat each of them equal. I'm all for hacking and backups. But this early on with the standards you could be the source of the failure of one vs the other.
Post by: JayDee on January 15, 2007, 12:25:00 PM
You would be surprised at how much pull they have on formats and they are backing up HD-DVD.
http://tgdaily.com/2..._hddvd_blu_ray/
http://tech.netscape...-boosts-hd-dvd/
http://www.cdfreaks....s_-Blu-ray.html
Post by: Tcornwall on January 18, 2007, 01:08:00 PM
QUOTE(signal-to-noise-ratio @ Jan 14 2007, 05:07 PM)
Technology is a tool it can be used for good or bad. This willl help people not have to spend money on frivilous new monitors to play hd content also it will help people protect their investments and not have to buy new movies by keeping the originals safely stored away and running backups. Im happy with an upscaled line doubled dvd. The creative dxr3/ hollywood used to kick back in the day. Im gonna wait a while on any type of hd disc.
I'm sorry, but I think it humorous when people make these statements. Who takes the time to rip a DVD or in this case an HDDVD, just so they can preserve the original? Answer in short only someone who has a young child and that's about it.
You are being dishonest if you say that you make backups and play those and put the originals in a safe.
Sorry if this sounds to harsh, but I'm 31 years old, and in the technology field.
QUOTE(flashfreak @ Jan 14 2007, 11:43 PM)
I just hope this...anti-security measure won't kill HD-DVD and put Blu-Ray ahead.
Though whats the point of owning an original disc if you're never going to use it? I understand owning the original is the reason you're allowed to make a backup, but whats the point of hiding the original away in storage? Take care of your discs and you'll be right (though I know with the 306 that was different, as sometimes no matter how good care u took of the discs, it would damage them)
I agree 100%