Post by: Ashton8 on June 13, 2004, 09:25:00 AM
Post by: xerxes3rd on June 14, 2004, 09:01:00 AM
Post by: opjose on June 14, 2004, 12:56:00 PM
The former also runs longer on batteries. (which is why I got it.).
Post by: falken98 on June 15, 2004, 08:49:00 PM
The new controller most defiantly has dual ANALOG sticks.
Be aware though that several of the first batches off the line had a high defect rate due to a manufacturing problem which has now been corrected.
After you hook it up and "connect" the controller and the receiver if the green light on the receiver continually blinks in a random sequence it is picking up RF noise and the controller won't function very well at all.
If your unit shows this problem it is defiantly a defect and should be exchanged. The problem is with the wireless receiver unit and not the controller.
Post by: nolga on June 15, 2004, 09:04:00 PM
logitech wirless controller. Not the cheap ass one
Post by: xerxes3rd on June 16, 2004, 03:10:00 AM
[Edit]Why is it that I always spell opjose's name with a b instead of a p? I've got to work on that.
Post by: opjose on June 16, 2004, 07:41:00 AM
E.G. the newer units -ARE- just as good, but they want some "difference" to be percieved.
It's not the first time a company has done something like this.
Post by: xerxes3rd on June 16, 2004, 10:12:00 AM
Post by: falken98 on June 16, 2004, 04:28:00 PM
A digital joypad has X number of positions.
You push the joystick in the direction you want and that position is ON, let go and its OFF. (the D-pad on the xbox)
It does not pick up subtle movement, its either on or off, hence why its called digital.
An analog joypad will have potentiometer motion sensors to monitor the sticks position on the X-axis and the Y-axis, this gets you the sticks exact position at any given moment in time.
Trust me, those two thumbsticks are considered analog, there is no room for debate.
The siganls of course get converted to digital to be sent to the xbox, but those sticks are of an analog design, to say otherwise is insane.
I don't know if the website is wrong, or if marketing got the wrong information or what.
Post by: falken98 on June 16, 2004, 04:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (muell67 @ Jun 17 2004, 12:37 AM) |
| thanks for all the input. there is one other thing I didnt mention. Has anyone taken either of these controllers apart? I would like to set it up with a on off switch for my xbox and Im assuming Im going to need some extra room inside the controller anyone know wich one has more room inside it. I guess both controllers are about the same size on the outside correct. |
Sorry, but you can not install an on/off button inside of a wireless controller. You need to actually ground the yellow wire on the controller connecter, something you aren't going to be able to do wireless. You could technically install it on the receiver box that plugs into the xbox but that would be kind of pointless.
I suggest the XIR Remote mod to let you switch the xbox on/off with an IR signal.
Post by: muell67 on June 16, 2004, 05:22:00 PM
Post by: xerxes3rd on June 16, 2004, 05:29:00 PM
Post by: xerxes3rd on June 16, 2004, 07:17:00 PM
Post by: Crypty on June 16, 2004, 07:31:00 PM
Post by: opjose on June 16, 2004, 11:47:00 PM
Post by: xerxes3rd on June 17, 2004, 03:44:00 AM
| QUOTE (Crypty @ Jun 17 2004, 04:31 AM) |
| On the logitech site, the names are different. One says precision and one doesn't. Is that part correct in that the cheaper non-glossy one is the analog one with more precision? |
The controller believed to be "true analog" is here, is called the "Logitech Cordless Controller for Xbox," and has part number 963279-0403 (this controller is the older of the two).
The controller believed to be "not analog" is here, is called the "Logitech Cordless Precision Controller for Xbox," and has part number 963321-0403 (this controller is the newer of the two).
Post by: Johnny_Sokko on June 17, 2004, 04:52:00 AM
Post by: muell67 on June 17, 2004, 06:39:00 AM
Post by: xerxes3rd on June 17, 2004, 08:58:00 AM
Post by: opjose on June 17, 2004, 10:47:00 AM
It takes quite a while to "drain the chain" of old inventory and most vendors do not want to needlessly piss off their retail chains by forcing them to sell at a big loss.
Post by: xerxes3rd on June 17, 2004, 11:17:00 AM
Post by: radio5 on June 17, 2004, 03:02:00 PM
| QUOTE (falken98 @ Jun 16 2004, 08:37 PM) |
| Sorry, but you can not install an on/off button inside of a wireless controller. You need to actually ground the yellow wire on the controller connecter, something you aren't going to be able to do wireless. You could technically install it on the receiver box that plugs into the xbox but that would be kind of pointless. I suggest the XIR Remote mod to let you switch the xbox on/off with an IR signal. |
Actuall, you can. There's a great tutorial right here on this very site.
Post by: Sarvatt on June 18, 2004, 01:11:00 AM
Post by: Johnny_Sokko on June 18, 2004, 01:15:00 AM
Post by: xerxes3rd on June 18, 2004, 03:39:00 AM
A couple things: first of all, I tried out the controller on Chronicles of Riddick last night. The sticks definitely have an analog feel to them. Secondly, I decided to get to the bottom of this, and take some pictures of the controller's inside. Here are the pics, for your viewing pleasure:
http://www.xerxes3rd...oller_20040617/
Oh, and pay special attention to this one:
http://www.xerxes3rd...17/IM001172.JPG
Now, I'm no electrical engineer, but those really look a lot like potentiometers.
Post by: opjose on June 18, 2004, 04:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (xerxes3rd @ Jun 18 2004, 11:39 AM) |
| muell67, those prices are in CDN, not USD (all prices mentioned before were in USD). Also, that link you sent doesn't list the new wireless controller. A couple things: first of all, I tried out the controller on Chronicles of Riddick last night. The sticks definitely have an analog feel to them. Secondly, I decided to get to the bottom of this, and take some pictures of the controller's inside. Here are the pics, for your viewing pleasure: http://www.xerxes3rd...oller_20040617/ Oh, and pay special attention to this one: http://www.xerxes3rd...17/IM001172.JPG Now, I'm no electrical engineer, but those really look a lot like potentiometers. |
Nice job!
Yes indeedy... there be analog POTS there!
Logitech marketing strikes again!
It also looks like they reduced the component count down to 2 IC's to get the better power utilization.
Post by: xerxes3rd on June 18, 2004, 05:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (muell67 @ Jun 18 2004, 10:58 PM) |
| what does that mean? good or bad? |
It's definitely a good thing. =)
| QUOTE |
| Nice job! |
Thanks, I don't know why I didn't think of it earlier.
Whether it's marketing or a website error, I think we can finally put this "analog" discussion to rest. Regarding battery life: I don't know exactly how long the batteries in the old one last, but the manual for the new one states that the batteries last for 50 hours with rumble enabled, and then an additional 100 hours after that with rumble disabled.
Final verdict? I believe it's safe to say that this newer controller is at least funtionally equivalent to the older one.
Recommendation? Whether you decide to purchase the old one or the new one, I believe you'll be satisfied either way.
Do we all agree (I'm fishing for the opjose seal of approval
)?
Post by: opjose on June 19, 2004, 09:15:00 AM
Post by: radio5 on June 19, 2004, 11:44:00 AM
| QUOTE (falken98 @ Jun 19 2004, 07:07 AM) |
| Okay, I suppose I stand corrected. My intention was to imply you can't do a standard on/off switch with the wireless remote like you do a wired one. You could try to fit and rig up the sender for the RF doorbell mod, or you could try and stuff a seperate IR sender in there to send a signal to the XIR remote mod. |
Yeah. I can't wait to try this one myself. Imagine: A newer, smaller Logitech wireless controller with the ability to turn on/off your Xbox! Man, I can't wait to pop one open and see if there's room.
Post by: Regu on June 24, 2004, 02:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (falken98 @ Jun 16 2004, 05:49 AM) |
| Be aware though that several of the first batches off the line had a high defect rate due to a manufacturing problem which has now been corrected. After you hook it up and "connect" the controller and the receiver if the green light on the receiver continually blinks in a random sequence it is picking up RF noise and the controller won't function very well at all. If your unit shows this problem it is defiantly a defect and should be exchanged. The problem is with the wireless receiver unit and not the controller. |
I cant believe this. I bought two of these controllers the day they were stocked at wal-mart (at least a month before their official release) and have been toiling over them forever trying to figure out what is causing the interference and why they suck so bad. So I look all around, but everbody is giving this controller rave reviews. I have a Wireless Madcatz Lynx as well and just about to return these and order two more lynx online until i read this post. The symptoms you describes hit the nail on the head so I immediately went back to wal-mart and exchanged them stating the reason and they said there was no recall for the controllers but since wal-mart rocks, they went ahead and let me exchange them. So I get back home and see an immediate difference when i plug them in, no more flashing of the LED in the receiver and it only turns on when i press a button and isnt continuously on like before.
Thanks again for this timely bit of information! Now I see why everybody loves these controllers! I like to yell!
!!!
Post by: raatjetoe on June 24, 2004, 02:31:00 PM
Post by: ShadowRaider on June 24, 2004, 02:44:00 PM
what dose it all mean,
whats better
are they both true analog?
whats the pros and cons?
plz someone answer cuz im about to go buy one and pight as well buy the better one...
and do these have the memory card slot, ill check the pictures again, but i did not see them
Post by: ShadowRaider on June 24, 2004, 11:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (ShadowRaider @ Jun 24 2004, 11:44 PM) |
| so, i just read all of this and i looked at the pictures, what dose it all mean, whats better are they both true analog? whats the pros and cons? plz someone answer cuz im about to go buy one and pight as well buy the better one... and do these have the memory card slot, ill check the pictures again, but i did not see them |
anyone can answer that?????
Post by: ShadowRaider on June 24, 2004, 11:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (xerxes3rd @ Jun 18 2004, 12:39 PM) |
| muell67, those prices are in CDN, not USD (all prices mentioned before were in USD). Also, that link you sent doesn't list the new wireless controller. A couple things: first of all, I tried out the controller on Chronicles of Riddick last night. The sticks definitely have an analog feel to them. Secondly, I decided to get to the bottom of this, and take some pictures of the controller's inside. Here are the pics, for your viewing pleasure: http://www.xerxes3rd...oller_20040617/ Oh, and pay special attention to this one: http://www.xerxes3rd...17/IM001172.JPG Now, I'm no electrical engineer, but those really look a lot like potentiometers. |
which one was the pictures taken of??????????/
EDIT:
i found this on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/...ssPageName=WDVW
its the newerone, and at the bottom you can see the size difference, his ad says their dual analog, but now the questions i have is the pictures you took above the newerone? do the buttons light up? dose the newer ine come with a slot for mem cards????
Post by: xerxes3rd on June 25, 2004, 07:03:00 AM
Post by: ShadowRaider on June 25, 2004, 10:04:00 AM
| QUOTE (xerxes3rd @ Jun 25 2004, 04:03 PM) |
| All the pictures I have listed have been pictures of the newer one. THe newer one does indeed have true dual analog sticks. It also has two memory card slots, although they are located on the dongle, just like all wireless Xbox controllers up to this point. |
can i get a pic plz. plz plz plz plz plz
and did it come with the buttons that light up of did u mod it????
Post by: xerxes3rd on June 25, 2004, 10:47:00 AM
Edit- until I get the pics posted, it looks very similar to the old one:
http://images.google...w...DUTF-8&sa=G
Post by: Regu on June 25, 2004, 06:27:00 PM
first play with it a bit and see if you lose connection a lot and if the buttons are responsive at all. with my defective receiver unit the buttons were laggy and i would get disconnected all the time and playing emulated games was awful because using the dpad was impossible because the repsponse was terrible.
with the returns i got two controllers with good receivers and the repsonse is incredible now and i love these controllers.
Post by: muell67 on June 25, 2004, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: Regu on June 25, 2004, 08:07:00 PM
Post by: ShadowRaider on June 25, 2004, 11:59:00 PM
dont wana buy it off the net, just in case its a defective one i cant return it...
Post by: ShadowRaider on June 26, 2004, 03:20:00 AM
| QUOTE (falken98 @ Jun 26 2004, 12:04 PM) |
| You are probaly pretty safe getting it off the net. For one, large retailers mostly got the first batches. Also, if you order from a large online retailer the stock has probaly cycled several times by now (now only giving them the newer units). Worst case, call logitech and describe the problem if you get a defective one - While its not officially annouced they are aware of the problem and they will ship out a new receiver unit via 2 day delivery and send a postage prepaid box to return the defective one. |
where is the cheepest place that they sell the new ones>
and i like stores, just in case i dont like it...
Post by: Regu on June 26, 2004, 08:28:00 AM
Post by: ShadowRaider on June 26, 2004, 10:25:00 AM
| QUOTE (muell67 @ Jun 26 2004, 04:51 PM) |
| Most walmarts have them. |
no walmarts withen 30 miles away from me, they just closed kmart..
i have EB games, Game Stop, Targer, ToysRus,
thats about it, i went to target 3 weeks ago and they dident have any wireless, never seen them at EB or Gamestop, and on the toysrus website it says they only have the older one....
any help is much loved.
Post by: cromat44 on June 26, 2004, 10:31:00 AM
| QUOTE (xerxes3rd @ Jun 16 2004, 07:12 PM) |
| Very true. I'm curious: I know Logitech's "comparison chart" says that the newer wireless controller doesn't have analog sticks, but I wonder if it's an error on the site, or has this "feature" (or lack thereof) been mentioned and/or marketed elsewhere? |
it clearly show that the newer one HAS analong sticks...
Post by: muell67 on June 26, 2004, 11:54:00 AM