Post by: Xbox-Scene on November 06, 2006, 07:47:00 PM
High-Def Movies and TV Series on the Xbox 360 MarketPlace *updated* Posted by XanTium | November 6 21:47 EST |
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UPDATE: Gamevideos.com posted a video showing the marketplace with TV shows, movies & HD content More details on xbox.com |
Post by: Shepdog on November 06, 2006, 06:59:00 PM
Post by: Boydster on November 06, 2006, 06:59:00 PM
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Post by: Boydster on November 06, 2006, 07:02:00 PM
Seriously though, it'll most likely come in WMV-HD
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Post by: Gliff159 on November 06, 2006, 07:02:00 PM
Post by: 110100100 on November 06, 2006, 07:03:00 PM
I love the fact that Adult Swim stuff is at the top of the list. (i know its alphabetical)
Post by: brywalker on November 06, 2006, 07:06:00 PM
2) Need to be able to transfer current content to bigger Hard Disk
3) Need to speed up Xbox Live servers so people can max out their bandwidth and get stuff in a reasonable time.
And that's about it. Otherwise, very cool.
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Post by: crobar on November 06, 2006, 07:08:00 PM
also...i know it allot like down loading games for live arcade but i like my movies on a disk...if i pay to download some aquateen id hope to also get a hard copy in the mail or something...
Post by: sgr215 on November 06, 2006, 07:09:00 PM
I personally would rather use XBMC on Xbox or wait until homebrew comes to the Xbox 360.
Post by: dokworm on November 06, 2006, 07:12:00 PM
320GB drives are cheap as chips, get to it already and release one.
Post by: edrift101 on November 06, 2006, 07:13:00 PM
I'd imagine that a new HD will be rolled out the day this becomes active. Price is questionable however.
20Gb = $100
100Gb = ??
500Gb = ??
Post by: RiPpN-N-TrIppN on November 06, 2006, 07:14:00 PM
but yeh a bigger h/d is now a must have
or atleast the ability to save to a networked PC
Rip
Post by: gehx on November 06, 2006, 07:15:00 PM
2) Where do they expect us to store all of this? Especially the case if it's HD content
Post by: echto on November 06, 2006, 07:15:00 PM
QUOTE(sgr215 @ Nov 6 2006, 06:16 PM) 
Unless a bigger HDD will be available soon this is doomed to fail. A high definition one hour show is about five gigabytes. That's 1/4 of the HDD right there. A movie can be upwards of 15GB+. People won't buy movies and shows if they have to constantly delete them to make room for other stuff. In short, when can we expect the bigger HDD MS?
I personally would rather use XBMC on Xbox or wait until homebrew comes to the Xbox 360.
No..no.. This material has been engineered to fit on a 64meg memory card.
Post by: j3y q on November 06, 2006, 07:18:00 PM
Post by: electronic_detailers on November 06, 2006, 07:18:00 PM
QUOTE(dokworm @ Nov 7 2006, 03:19 AM)
Time for a 320GB hard drive add on MS!
320GB drives are cheap as chips, get to it already and release one.
Wtf are you smoking, show me a 320gb 2.5" drive.
Post by: sgr215 on November 06, 2006, 07:23:00 PM
QUOTE(echto @ Nov 6 2006, 09:22 PM)
No..no.. This material has been engineered to fit on a 64meg memory card.
So if Sattelite TV's HD is dubbed "HDLite" Xbox360's must be "HD Anorexic"
No but seriously... this sounds cool if the prices aren't outrageous and a bigger HDD is available.
Post by: JuniorFan on November 06, 2006, 07:30:00 PM
Post by: trey85stang on November 06, 2006, 07:31:00 PM
Post by: saunders73 on November 06, 2006, 07:32:00 PM
...takes 10 minutes to download the fall update....
Post by: DuckOfDeath on November 06, 2006, 07:41:00 PM
-Duck!
Post by: NerdENerd on November 06, 2006, 07:52:00 PM
20 gig hard drive is a joke!
Post by: posure on November 06, 2006, 07:53:00 PM
Where's the larger hard drives?
Post by: LuridSpectre on November 06, 2006, 08:05:00 PM
I understand the appeal of HD, but not being able to do what I wish with the content, having it DRM'd and locked to my 360, makes me less than enthusiastic about this development.
I'll stick to my DVD's of my favorite TV series(pl). At least I can put them in multiple players and/or rip and re-encode them.
Post by: lowendfrequency on November 06, 2006, 08:07:00 PM
Post by: 110100100 on November 06, 2006, 08:10:00 PM
But i guess that would just make it easier to remove whatever DRM they are using.
edit: I just watched the video on xbox.com,.. and it looks like it's all set in place with the last dash update, ie "Video Marketplace" on the media blade and the selection "Movies and Movie trailers" in the video menu. It looks like they just need to deliver the content.
Post by: Zapin on November 06, 2006, 08:26:00 PM
I cannot see the quality being equal to that of HD-DVD but the quality should be equal to that of Sat/Cable HDTV considering the amount of compression they seem to use. Until the soon to be necessary hard drive upgrade is made available I would like to see the dashboard actually offer some lower quality video options that can actually be streamed with minimal buffering time. Sucks to wait for a download of some HD trailer that gets immediately deleted due to suckage.
I expect the DRM for movie rentals to be 2 weeks to a month in length .. perhaps longer but it would be nice if television can be more permanent like XBLA games.. you can delete it after you watch it but get it again for free if you have already paid for the episode on that machine.
If I can transcode audio (internet radio/podcasts) directly from the web via the dashboard/games they why do I have to turn off transcoding to see video? It would be nice to have access to streamed media instead of having to waste my own storage space and time getting what is available on a PC seconds after a click of the mouse.
Will this new service be available via Live Anywhere I wonder... my bet is yes. The 360 account linked with the PC account should mean that the PC can get the movies and then the 360 show them.
The more revenue that can be generated via XBL in ways like this the more likely online gaming will become free (like Sony is promising).
Post by: xzenor on November 06, 2006, 08:49:00 PM
My prediction is M$ waits until after the PS3 launch befor they come public with a BIGGER HDD.
Yes, it will be expensive, but if your going to buy all these HD tv shows instead of watch them on TV........it seems as though you can afford a new HDD huh?
The Xbox360 is by far the best system to buy this generation, I mean just look at all the stuff it can do. If you wan't DIVX..... go play with you modded Xbox1 cause it aint going to happen on the 360 until its hacked!!!!
I for one think the 360 is AWESOME, even though my 360 broke last week. Luckily it was a launch one and was still under warrantee. But I still think M$ is the shizznit.
All you complainers should feel ashamed of yourselves.
Post by: Big Al on November 06, 2006, 09:04:00 PM
Post by: elmo_sni on November 06, 2006, 09:08:00 PM
Post by: sirjonesalot on November 06, 2006, 09:23:00 PM
Post by: Heet on November 06, 2006, 09:52:00 PM
Now sell me some games without framerate drops galore and loads of tearing (fixing the tearing in the dashboard would be great too) minus an update i have to run every time i insert a game and i'll be excited.
It cant even play a dvd with any quality yet im supposed to be excited about this? Ew watch out PS3.
^"I for one think the 360 is AWESOME, even though my 360 broke last week" Ya they are great when they work huh.
Post by: Aerok on November 06, 2006, 10:00:00 PM
Post by: xzenor on November 06, 2006, 10:01:00 PM
Post by: celicagt1993 on November 06, 2006, 10:40:00 PM
QUOTE(Zapin @ Nov 7 2006, 04:33 AM)
Well we knew this was coming since we first heard the lack of divx/xvid but really if this was always part of the 360 revenue model then who's idea was the small Hard drive . . .
I cannot see the quality being equal to that of HD-DVD but the quality should be equal to that of Sat/Cable HDTV considering the amount of compression they seem to use. Until the soon to be necessary hard drive upgrade is made available I would like to see the dashboard actually offer some lower quality video options that can actually be streamed with minimal buffering time. Sucks to wait for a download of some HD trailer that gets immediately deleted due to suckage.
I expect the DRM for movie rentals to be 2 weeks to a month in length .. perhaps longer but it would be nice if television can be more permanent like XBLA games.. you can delete it after you watch it but get it again for free if you have already paid for the episode on that machine.
If I can transcode audio (internet radio/podcasts) directly from the web via the dashboard/games they why do I have to turn off transcoding to see video? It would be nice to have access to streamed media instead of having to waste my own storage space and time getting what is available on a PC seconds after a click of the mouse.
Will this new service be available via Live Anywhere I wonder... my bet is yes. The 360 account linked with the PC account should mean that the PC can get the movies and then the 360 show them.
The more revenue that can be generated via XBL in ways like this the more likely online gaming will become free (like Sony is promising).
i second that. as for a bigger hdd, what is everyone???? a packrat??????? who here still has the burnout revenge demo????? geeee..... i download stuff all the time, ans i still have 9.8gb left... it's because i do a little house cleaning on my hdd everynow and then. besides, after 14 days, if you would have watched the video, the 4.6 gb movies are going to be erased anyway.... the tv shows part sucks... if i pay for a tv show that's mine, i would like to keep it without having to deleteing it to make room. but there again, it will be like the games, it will be linked to your account. myself, i won't pay for a tv show UNLESS my dvr messed up and i didn't see my show of csi ny for example. but there again, after i watch it, i don't want to watch it over and over and over again. a bigger HDD would be nice, but do some house cleaning and it will be ok, i promise. i will give 1 point to sony for allowing for bigger hdds from the store, but oh well.
as for DRM..... get over it. it's here to stay, and it's not going away. the drm on "rented" movies is no different than going to blockbuster and renting it.... you still have to return it. this way you don't have to get off your couch to go get it. it's also not much different than VOD, and i don't hear alot of people complaining about that.
Post by: explosive2 on November 06, 2006, 10:41:00 PM
Post by: ORange-9mm on November 06, 2006, 10:43:00 PM
Even if the content is downloadable to your PC for streaming, it will be DRM locked & will not be burnable.
Post by: the0ry on November 07, 2006, 05:47:00 PM
Either way this is a huge step forward for consoles and their continued integration into our living room as a true "media center" as opposed to just playing games. I for one, am a user of XBMC and have been since it was XBMP. I'm looking forward to this service not that I will use it when it first comes out but that it will be groundbreaking in what it will do for the industry.
Post by: Zapin on November 07, 2006, 11:36:00 PM
Will the quality be equal to that of HD-DVD? Of course not (not with just 5gb movies) but the quality should beat what any regular DVD at your local Blockbuster can offer (thanks to modern compression techniques and the higher resolution of HD). As for the DRM people are sure complaining about limitations that are not outlined clearly yet and will never be written in stone. If MS can increase revenue by increasing the length of time you can watch a movie then you can be sure that they will do that.
I pay good money for Satellite Television every month. So even if I watch or PVR every episode of shows I really enjoy I bet if I break down the cost per episode the MS video on demand option would seem a very good value indeed. I may even get an episode or two just to compare quality with the HDTV I watch now.
Oh by the way.. the next step is video game rentals. Full game download via XBL get all the benefits of physical game rentals (achievements etc) DRM makes the game unplayable after rental expires. You can bet that DRM with full games was thought of by MS way before the first console was ever sold.
Post by: youloseagain on November 08, 2006, 04:47:00 AM
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as for the people that are saying "fight DRM", here's the point. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T BUY IT!!!!!! before DRM you only had one option. get your butt off the chair, go to walmart, buy the cd/dvd and bring it home. and you paid $20 for it, or go to blockbuster and rent a movie for $4. BECAUSE OF DRM, now you can keep your ass planted where you're at and buy a song for .99 or the whole CD for 9.99 and rent a movie for $3. here's the deal.... if you don't like it, don't buy it.
Thats untrue before DRM there was the mp3 format and the p2p networks. You missed the point of my post I even said MS could score BIG with public if content they offer thru this has little or no compression since cable sat providers compress everything. All Im saying for the stuff you can Buy to keep not rent. It should be Fairuse.
Thats the problem as years go buy encryption and proprietary hardware keeps games from being able to survive as hardware fails , compaines go out of businees or stop supporting products you get left with media / games that wont play. What happens when all the original xboxes get rarer and harder to find and ultimately fail? Thats it? And if MS never decides to finish backwards compatiblity. Thats all she wrote.
What Im trying to say is this stuff shouldnt be disposable and we as a society shouldnt be relying on one company IE MS OR a few other companies IE the movie, music companies to possibly decide to rerelease old content. After so many years that media should be available to whoever wants it. This is our culture. Movies. Video games. Music. All of it. It shouldnt be a throw away thing.
Post by: youloseagain on November 11, 2006, 08:21:00 AM
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Actually there has been DRM in some form or another for much longer than mp3s have be popular (coded communications in the military, scrambled pay per view channels, ways of making it difficult to copy VHS tapes, security on DVDs, hell you could even argue for using red paper for sensitive documents to they photocopy more poorly). Sure most examples are not DRM in a literal sense other than maybe DVD to some extent but the idea is the same
Right but the "drm" / copy protection has always been easy to remove. You could go to a library and copy machines were /are setup for you to use. Macrovision came off vcr copies easily. The problem with drm is that it moves the protection into the digital ream sometimes relying on encryption thus making archive / backing up much more difficult and society as a whole loses as originals get lost / scratched.
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The content is not Microsoft's to offer (for the most part), they just distribute the content that other companies claim ownership of. I am sure that if any studio wished to declare a movie they created free to distribute Microsoft would gladly distribute it without DRM at the studio's expense.