Post by: jz28 on October 22, 2003, 04:30:00 AM
| QUOTE (flat235 @ Oct 21 2003, 06:52 PM) |
| Well, I always thought they would do it.. and it's finally happened.. XBConnect has recently moved their forum operations to xboxaddict, home of every stinking, stupid, 12yr old gaming noob in the world.. I only hope it brings them all which I expect it to...  Talk about asking for it... heh.. they're gonna get raped with stupid support questions.. Whatever... I like it here, where a good proportion of people know what they're doing to begin with..Anyway, back to interesting things.. Factions is now officially amazing  .. coding work is progressing fine, if a little slow for my liking (real jobs are a killer - really - try it ) .. The terraformer is now 100%, and the logic engine is about 40%.. I'm giving it all I have in my spare time, but I often find myself waking up on the sofa at like 5am  ... with 2 hours to shower and get to work.. I honestly can't give u a realistic deadline for the finished product.. All i can say is that we're putting as much time as we can into it - and when it's done, it will rock... I must also, at this point, raise a hand to TheUnprofessional and his "Jihad" project... Check it out - a lot of what he has done has been the inspiration for the XLink team to create Factions - and dont think for one moment that we're in competition - these are 2 totally different products, both of which will fucking own.. it's that simple... RC3 will now be officially the "F" release of XLink.. ie.. "Final".. I think, after the recent suggestions we've had, and the roadmap I've been working on recently, we seriously cant do much more to make XLink better after RC3.. Again, our time is split on this - but work continues, and suggestions are always welcomed on this board. Finally, I feel I must address the common concern about the userbase.. or lack of... Well, I often find myself sat here thinking to myself that I'm weird, because I think i care *less* about our current userbase size than anyone else... The first ever release of xlink had 2 users... me and tex... the 2nd release had 4 ppl, the 3rd release had about 8 ... that took 2 months... What I'm saying is, that when I get home from work every day, and see 100+ ppl on line, and a few good size rooms up, I sit back and think to myself "shit.. there are like over 100 ppl actually using the fucking thing.. thats amazing" .. Yeah - if that number was like 400 - I would be even more pleased - but u must realise where we are.. we've just come through a RAD period of over 50 releases - gaining and loosing users with each release. Yes, we could have punted out a shitty IRC based client with rooms mode like XBC - but u ppl already had that.. we're trying to break new ground - things like bo-xlink resulted from that motive.. and will certainly continue to do so - have no fear of that.. It all boils down to a simple question with XLink... either "jump on" or "jump off".. the rest is up to the users... Anyway, more news, Another crew is porting halflife to xbox.. and xlink has pledged our total support to the project. the build they aim to release will use no HL2 code (which imo is essential) - and will support MODS.. they seem to have decided to use bo-xlink support, and I aim to speak to them personally very soon. As I have always maintained, the future of XLink Messenger lies with the homebrew community - and this project can only strengthen that aim.. I would urge all users to give their support to Da Frog's crew, and help them to bring this product to the ppl... Ever Yours, TheDaddy & The XLink Crew |
Awesome, thanks for the update, I am sure many others appreciate it too!
I have only one question regarding the final of xlink. Does this also mean the final for boxlink? I was wondering if you had planned to do anything else with voice and the kernel and all that.
- J
Post by: afionda on October 22, 2003, 08:16:00 PM
Post by: flat235 on October 23, 2003, 12:43:00 AM
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| Why the need to flame mate? Whenever you came onto the forums people always treated you with a little bit of respect because you were responsible for the other main tunnel application for the Xbox. |
Meh.. "treated you with a little respect".. Sure.. thats right...
XBC has sidled up with XBA because they've seen how well XLink does from being affiliated with X-S. Simple. OK - we might not have as many users as them, but for a year before XLink existed, XBC was the only real option for syslink gamers. They thought that binding the forums to the XBA ones would bring them an influx of new users - but all thats happened is the XBA forum users are taking the piss out of them in droves. Good luck.
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| As for people here knowing what they are doing you obviously haven't read through some of the case modding or hadware forums. |
Every forum has its noobs.. I was one once, so were you. The only difference with XBA is that *most* of the users have been there for ages, and are still noobs.. that doesnt happen here, in general. XBC has pulled the rug out from under its users, and Im fairly sure its all about the greenbacks. Their whole base of discussion, suggestions etc. has been dumped and now they have to start from scratch.. Look on the XBA boards - people are leaving XBC in droves...
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| Again, why do you need to belittle someone else's hard work? I only hope that with the forums moved over Tod and the rest of the guys have more time and energy for XBC, so they can come up with new ideas that you will be jealous of. |
XBC is, and has always been, one of those products which probably started off as a fairly tight, simple little tunelling application - but since then it's obviously been dragged about in all directions, with bits being bolted on all over the place, and they've finally got to the point where its so damn convoluted internally, that things are starting to break, and they are impossible to track down. The only way they can get back in the game on a technical level is to start again - ground up rewrite..
So yeah... anyone who knows about writing software knows that u should never get to that point.. development methodologies exist to prevent exactly that situation. If you *do* get to that point, you product has become, quite plainly, shite.
An about the "new ideas which will be jealous of" .. to be honest, theres not much left to do.. yeah.. maybe XBC will eventually catch up (wgn, voicestream, *working* cache, bo-xlink style interface, homebrew, proper buddy list, working peer 2 peer support, clean UI, etc. etc.) - but unless they rewrite, they wont..
Don't forget that since I first started XLink, i was friendly towards them - i told Tod about stuff I was starting to bring into XLink, and once even suggested that we merge to technologies.. Of course, all this was met with either "no" or "we already had that working but we took it out of the release build" (why?).. Strange how if they consider all XLink's advanced features shit, then why have the last few things added to XBC copied XLink exactly?? ie, VoiceStream, UDP-Holing, Caching (they call it *compression :S), buddy lists.. the list goes on..
But to answer your question, I belittle XBC's work because they show no respect for any other tunnel crew at all, and more importantly because I dont like their work. It smacks of poor design, poor planning and poor implementation. If they were coders who worked for me, I would fire them. It's that simple.
TD
Post by: SplitboXer on October 23, 2003, 07:23:00 AM
So anyway,
Yes XBC and XBA teamed up. Obviously you read our site to get your information because I know how much you admire us. XBA is now hosting XBC's forums. Freed up some bandwidth for us and saved us some time. Plus they have 28,000 registered users, who all own xbox's and are probably just waiting to be online. Also, IF YOU LOOK this was released today -----
THE XBA BIG ASS GIVEAWAY!
Posted by: Josh on Wednesday, October 22nd, 2003
Type: News
Source: http://www.xboxaddict.com
Finally, all the rumors are coming to an end! The truth is out!
We love our Addicts!
What better way to love them than to shower them with free stuff?
With all the news in the recent days, I bet yall though that XBA soldout to another gaming site...WRONG!!!!
Rules and regulations and what not will be posted ASAP.
All I say right now is get your asses on XBA and XBC and participate. We reward our Addicts with their dedication to the forums, reviews, and comments. DO NOT SPAM THE SITE AND POST GOOD REVIEWS! and download XbConnect! None of the BS spam in the forums are one word reviews of games. We will be policing the site daily!
Details are still being finalized for both the rules and prize list. Stay Tuned throughout the week.
You might have noticed that XBA is hosting the XBConnect.com forums. Yes, they have a BIG part in this Giveaway! We are glad to have them onboard!
This Giveaway will happen in the chat room, 9 PM EST starting on Halloween! Having problems getting in the chat? Check out our forums or Email our staff. We will do our best to get you in there.
Over $5,000 (US) of prizes, It's more than but we rounded it off to an even number. We got games. We got hardware. We got stuff that hasn't been released yet!
And.....
A GRAND PRIZE!!!!! Yes, one lucky person will win a GRAND PRIZE! Details later on that.
This is big folks! This blows away our 30 Day Giveaway from back in April.
Xbox Addict, your #1 fan-owned Xbox Fansite on the internet with the best Giveaways.
We love our Addicts! Thank you for being part of our Xbox Community!
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OH and also on www.xbconnect.com
October 23, 2003
On Halloween night, XBC will kick off the XBoxAddict Big Ass Giveaway by giving away a brand new XBox system to a lucky member of XBC and XBA. So it begins...
XBConnect, Intec, MS, Ubisoft, EiDos, Daytel and JoyRide have all stepped up to the plate and will be giving away prizes for the next 46 days for this event. Stephen has done a great job of pulling us all together.
Add this to the upcoming AGP tourny . MS has agreed to supply XBConnect with 4 copies of Crimson Skies to give away at the tournament. And this game rocks...
Why, because you guys deserve it, period. You have helped shape this community and we want to give something back.
Stay tuned for more details
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So what do you give your users? An attitude and half ass program?
Hrm, So maybe it's not such a bad deal eh? Son, before you go opening your mouth you better know wtf you're talking about.
Post by: MaDDNeSS on October 23, 2003, 07:24:00 AM
Whether you want to face it or not you are not the best, nor ever will be. Face it now and you should just sellout. You have successfully managed to piss me off and I think you are a piece of shit for it. We never attack your service publically but now you can just suck my ass.
As for affionda, where were you? We told everyone what was going on. You were fine with it, i even remember reading your post in the Pro users forum. YOu dont like XBC then fine, stay the hell off it. We could care less about people who think they are too good.
As for helping the noobs that we may come in contact with thats great. That means we are getting new users. New users = more members which in turns equals better business. See you on the flip side.
www.xbconnect.com
Post by: jz28 on October 23, 2003, 07:41:00 AM
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| As for helping the noobs that we may come in contact with thats great. That means we are getting new users. New users = more members which in turns equals better business. See you on the flip side. |
I think that line sez it all...BUSINESS...
I think users see where you guys stand in the whole realm of things. I really dont think your service is superiour...you have half the features, and twice the users...its like comparin ps2 to xbox...thats kind of silly. Of course you came out first, but your stuff sux now, because you have no innovation at all.
Way to let us all know what kind of guys your really all are.
- jmel (didnt really know what kind of people you were until now, so much for benefit of the doubt)
Post by: Smoochie on October 23, 2003, 07:49:00 AM
| QUOTE (flat235 @ Oct 21 2003, 11:52 PM) |
| Well, I often find myself sat here thinking to myself that I'm weird, because I think i care *less* about our current userbase size than anyone else... The first ever release of xlink had 2 users... me and tex... the 2nd release had 4 ppl, the 3rd release had about 8 ... that took 2 months... What I'm saying is, that when I get home from work every day, and see 100+ ppl on line, and a few good size rooms up, I sit back and think to myself "shit.. there are like over 100 ppl actually using the fucking thing.. thats amazing" .. Yeah - if that number was like 400 - I would be even more pleased - but u must realise where we are.. we've just come through a RAD period of over 50 releases - gaining and loosing users with each release. Yes, we could have punted out a shitty IRC based client with rooms mode like XBC - but u ppl already had that.. TheDaddy & The XLink Crew |
Well I think this helps explain why there are alot more people on xbc than xlink. And you should take a hint from the user interface on XBC. It is streamlined and easy to use I just took a look at your ROFLMAO three windows just to find and join a game. Unless I want to Fuck up my warenty and mod my box.
Well people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I would think twice about calling it a crappy interface compared to yours. One window easy to navigate & I don't even use the chat vs. 3 windows and a modded box .
And 50 updates OMG
vs
Which is cleaner?? easier to navigate and read?
Post by: Smoochie on October 23, 2003, 07:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (flat235 @ Oct 23 2003, 04:51 PM) |
| Heh.. that would be er.. "one" window to find and join a game.... TD |
3 windows according to your own web sight???
1 - messenger
2 - chat
3- network status
Post by: SplitboXer on October 23, 2003, 08:04:00 AM
Nice guys, don't finish last.
Post by: jz28 on October 23, 2003, 08:04:00 AM
| QUOTE (Smoochie @ Oct 23 2003, 11:53 AM) | ||
3 windows according to your own web sight??? 1 - messenger 2 - chat 3- network status |
lets try a simple comparison, that is similar....
Compare avalaunch with evox. Evox was out first, and they get the points for that. People have stayed away from ava for a while because they thought it was unstable or was ugly or this or that.
Fact of the matter is, ava laid ground work with innovation that has people switching over to it every day. Once people actually try the software and see how well it works, they dont want to go back, because they lose loads of functionality.
Nothing has been added to XBC that would make anyone I know want to switch over to it. Nothing. It is not streamlined, its ugly. I actually tried it first and thought it was a horrible interface for someone to create. Then I read how people only played halo, and that games like midtown madness 3 wouldnt work with more than 2 players. I was like, whatever...I will try something else.
In the end, its a users choice for whatever they want to do, but I dont think its fair to associate yourselves with xlink at all, considering you have a poorly executed product that is lacking in features and variety, that you CHARGE for in the end, to bring it up to par with some of the most basic features of any homebrew app.
There were no direct attacks made until you guys came in with your low post counts (obviously you are helping all you users, including the ones here on x/s that matter the most).
Perhaps you should actually try the software out of your "competitor" xlink, and see for yourself, before you make such accusations as you have.
I speak with users every day that have setup problems, but they all want to do whatever necessary to get it working because they dont like halo-link, and they want the features xlink has.
Post by: MaDDNeSS on October 23, 2003, 08:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (flat235 @ Oct 23 2003, 04:48 PM) | ||
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You got me there, i now edited my post. Now lets get on the subject of copying ideas. What other program looks like XBC?
Well then lets take a look at your application. Hmm I have that, its called Windows messenger. So before your critisize about stealing ideas take a look at your own software. Unless you like 3 windows filling up your task bar then of course we know X-Link wil be the application to get.
And what ideas have we stole? I am curious to know? Considering you made "XBC-LINK" so you can try to get some XBC users on your application. Hmm, still going strong each night with XBC.
Cheers
www.xbconnect.com
Post by: MaDDNeSS on October 23, 2003, 08:18:00 AM
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| There were no direct attacks made until you guys came in with your low post counts (obviously you are helping all you users, including the ones here on x/s that matter the most). |
Did you not read the first post? It was a direct attack on us. Post start on the top of the first page, not where you feel like reading.
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| Perhaps you should actually try the software out of your "competitor" xlink, and see for yourself, before you make such accusations as you have. |
I have tried it out, even tried XBC-LINK, didnt like it, finding games was junk I did like how easy it was to get off my computer though, becasuse it sucked ass
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| I speak with users every day that have setup problems, but they all want to do whatever necessary to get it working because they dont like halo-link, and they want the features xlink has. |
Name some features, I am intresting in seeing what you name off here.
Post by: Bio}{azard on October 23, 2003, 08:37:00 AM
Sometimes we seem to get along and have decent conversations, but then it always turns into you attacking us for what ever reason. When GameSpy was the big boy on the block XBC never attacked them.. Never.. Does XBC bother you that much? Does our existance make you uncomfortable? When is the last time you have seen ME attack your software or your service or your character? Your motives for attacking XBA and XBC leave me wondering what kind of individual you are.
Post by: SuperDaimyo on October 23, 2003, 08:40:00 AM
If you do a better job than xbc, kudos to you. XBA are good guys who also give to the community, guys who wouldnt post nasty messages about us in forums because they have a professional attitude. XBC tries to avoid people who are unprofessional in our dealings because in the end our community suffers. XBC didnt want to team up with you, but you have a problem separating professionalism from what is personal, and so you get mad because Tod's opinion differs from yours.
We are gamers, we love games , we love gamers. People like you and every other tunnel so far has only served to tear the community apart by waging war against us instead of supporting us. It's sad because respect is a two way bridge and you just blew it up. Even so, I truly wish you the best in your projects and hope you revolutionize the scene, just dont try to break it up.
Post by: MaDDNeSS on October 23, 2003, 08:43:00 AM
Unnoficially, heh, with the way you openly support mods i am sure you can not get M$ to sponsor you a single dollar.
Keep it coming, shits getting real deep in here
Post by: Smoochie on October 23, 2003, 08:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (flat235 @ Oct 23 2003, 04:59 PM) |
| The fact that u have the userlist and a undocked PM window open aside on that screenshot. Even the way u have it layed out there, which was meant just to show all the *possible* windows, it's better... sorry... it just is.. Also, modded box?? Xlink does not, and will never need a modded box... If you think it does, you're stupid.. "Next.." TD |
ROFLMAO
what do you mean you have LOL this is an image on YOUR WEB SIGHT as an example of what XBLink is run. Not a screenshot on my computer.
LOL you don't even know what's on your own websight? If it is such a bad example why are you using to show off your program
And everything I see here loooks to me like you are moving to a system that requires you to mod a box to have the join screen show up on your tv and you don't have to go to the computer? Isn't that "the future of link" correct me if I am wronf.
BTW calling people "stupid" is no way to get more users. Are you 14? Why the attitude. If I am wrong explain it to me. I guess I must be to "Stupid" to use your program. No wonder you have a small user base
Post by: flat235 on October 23, 2003, 09:00:00 AM
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| When is the last time you have seen ME attack your software or your service or your character? |
Countless times on your forum.. whenever someone started a discussion which involved xlink, and u closed / deleted it for no reason, and I spoke up about it....
5.) What ideas have u stolen... your "compression" is our packet cache... plain copy - just a shame it doesnt work for you.. Fuzz's voice app - voicestream ripoff.. port holing.. cam about after one of your ops came to me asking for xlink info because he couldnt host on XBC after he went to college.... you know who i mean.. "improved buddy list" ... getting the point?? Basically, everything u've added to XBC since XLink launched, you've taken from us... if only you could make it all work right... I know - I offered to help u with all these things at the time - you always refused - which is your choice... but then u turn round and implement these new things and claim them as big breakthroughts.... you also lie to your users... "15%-20% Halo Performance Increase" ... I Etherealed it - no difference whatsoever..
6.) SuperDaimyo. Nobody wants to tear the tunnelling scene apart.. but lets face it - it's hardly going to get unified - is it? We would have been keen on doing just that at one point (again - if the old XBC boards were up - i could have linked u) .. The truth is, every day i get literally 40 or 50 emails of my users who point out the *utter bullshit* that XBC users talk about xlink and other tunnels...
I've just had enough of ure bullshit..ure just a bunch of money grabbing commercialists who're only interested in the $$.. if ure userbase and code team wants to go it with ours, fine... lets go....
Post by: unlikely on October 23, 2003, 09:02:00 AM
Those XBC guys aren't change their mind about their product, and those of us who use XLINK aren't going to change because their giving away prizes.. so who cares?
XLINK is for those people who know better.. and XBC is for those who do not.
Kinda like LINUX and Windows..
So even though I would like more people on XLINK, I am glad that those XBC people are not.
nuff said..
Post by: flat235 on October 23, 2003, 09:04:00 AM
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| BTW calling people "stupid" is no way to get more users. Are you 14? Why the attitude. If I am wrong explain it to me. I guess I must be to "Stupid" to use your program. No wonder you have a small user base |
You dont get it do u?? I dont *Want* you as a user - becase you *are clearly stupid* ... we arent a noob training colony like XBA...
And no, the future of XLink is the Kai series - which will, again, have a Bo-XLink component... it is provided as a convenience for our users who happen to have a modded box.. surely u arent jealous are you?? I offered to help XBC make one for XBC - but they wouldnt play
So i made XBC-Link - more as a tech demo than a "user getter" .. after all.. its plays XBC, not XLink..TD
Post by: SplitboXer on October 23, 2003, 09:05:00 AM
I don't care what you do, but I hope you do it well. I wish you nothing but luck, but man, Don't open your mouth to say negative things about us, thats just lame.
Post by: flat235 on October 23, 2003, 09:08:00 AM
Oh yeah... add "Top Spin" to ure games list...
TD
Post by: MaDDNeSS on October 23, 2003, 09:12:00 AM
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| You dont get it do u?? I dont *Want* you as a user - becase you *are clearly stupid* ... we arent a noob training colony like XBA... |
What a dumbass. Nice way to run a service. This shows you have no helping skills what so ever and talk just to hear yourself mumble on. Yea XBA is so noobish but is xbox.com's #1 affilate. Get a life
Post by: jz28 on October 23, 2003, 09:24:00 AM
Personally, i think the homebrew scene should have even less respect for you since you like snuggling up to them.
No one really cares if you have corporate support...really. You are still on your own with XBC, and no one is going to help you make it any better.
Post by: MaDDNeSS on October 23, 2003, 09:31:00 AM
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| No one really cares if you have corporate support...really. You are still on your own with XBC, and no one is going to help you make it any better. |
Our members make it better every day. And so do all your post attempting to bash us
Post by: jz28 on October 23, 2003, 09:38:00 AM
| QUOTE (SuperDaimyo @ Oct 23 2003, 01:31 PM) |
| Hahhaa I made more money off a game of monopoly than xbc, which is ez coz we dont get paid. Meh, Flat, I wont say we are righteous, but as far as I know no one tried to steal your ideas. Jeez sorry if you guys find xbc lame, we are just trying to do our thing nahmean. I got so emotional when i first posted i lost track of basic truth. The main reason I believe xbc couldnt associate with xlink was coz of the modding connotations the prog had. Dude, last time another tunnel came around and caused a rift, a crew of antixbc peeps were formed. When that tunnel failed someone DOSed us off of our brand new server and now we cant find a home coz of it. Everyone suffered because of one kids beef. If peeps need to rebel, or create an enemy (like GS) then there is nothing we can do eh? I am flattered you think xbc is big enough to hate on Look forward to your respnse |
I think there have been a lot of comments made in this thread out of passion for product.
TD's initial comments were not a flame, but apparently you guys have to comb the forums of his app, without ever posting anything useful to help anyone. This is obvious by your post count. Please, although this has all be very educational,
, head back to whatever hole you came from, be happy with your app and all its users, and spend your time more wisely than trolling.It will be appreciated by all.
And I dont care if you make 1 dollar or 1000 dollars off it, my point was that TD makes NOTHING off his, and there is essence to that kind of selflessness that makes people happy here at X/S.
Something about people creating things with their own time and resources, so that everyone else can enjoy free of charge.
I don't know what else to tell you. But I can say, that none of your comments have been helpful to anyone today, and that all you have done is wasted development time that could be put into fixing bugs in your app, or answering the users you ignore in the forums that support you here on X/S.
On behalf of everyone, thanks.
Post by: Smoochie on October 23, 2003, 09:59:00 AM
| QUOTE (flat235 @ Oct 23 2003, 06:04 PM) |
| You dont get it do u?? I dont *Want* you as a user - becase you *are clearly stupid* ... we arent a noob training colony like XBA... And no, the future of XLink is the Kai series - which will, again, have a Bo-XLink component... it is provided as a convenience for our users who happen to have a modded box.. surely u arent jealous are you?? I offered to help XBC make one for XBC - but they wouldnt play So i made XBC-Link - more as a tech demo than a "user getter" .. after all.. its plays XBC, not XLink..TD |
WOW your first sentance does make you sound like a bitter pimply 14 year old.
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You dont get it do u?? I dont *Want* you as a user - becase you *are clearly stupid* ... |
n00b how?!?!
At life no. I am an accomplished designer/ 3d graphics guru. I know my way around a computer. I was program apple 2E before you wer out of diapers son. No I am not up on Xbox bios and modding etc. because I don't have time. A noob at halo no been playing a long time and would give you serious game online or lan.
Noob to xbox link yeah I am have not used the program and I am trying to how it works from information you provided. I see you are very friendly.
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You dont get it do u?? I dont *Want* you as a user - becase you *are clearly stupid* ... |
For a while I was considering the change however I see I am not welcome. No wonder your user base won't grow beyond your little high school click.
your second sentance almost seems intellegent however getting past
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You dont get it do u?? I dont *Want* you as a user - becase you *are clearly stupid* ... |
I think this shows your clear intentions Good luck with your highschool click.
Post by: jz28 on October 23, 2003, 10:01:00 AM
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As I said above, please try and make yourself more useful around here, Shanafan could probably use the help.
You are wasting your time.
Post by: JohnnyFuzz on October 23, 2003, 10:13:00 AM
Flat235:
Not to be the guy who brings up old stuff, but if I'm not mistaken, this type of thing happened all the time on the XBC forums. Now when we actually post on a topic that started out as a flame toward us and not based on facts, you seem to become angry because we've posted on "*YOUR*" forums for "*YOUR*" members to read. We were pretty forgiving on the XBC forums unless it dealt with modding or if you promoted your tunnel. Near the end there, we didn't touch one post of yours about XBC-Link or Box-Link.
All I'm saying is that there is no need to start a flame war between either client. We have never done so in the past. It has always been you to start them. We're not out to hurt your client and don't have to flame your client in order to get members. Why try to do the same to ours?
As I've said before, I respect your work that you've done on your client. There's no flame here so please don't take this as one.
Post by: Smoochie on October 23, 2003, 10:18:00 AM
| QUOTE (jz28 @ Oct 23 2003, 07:01 PM) |
| As I said above, please try and make yourself more useful around here, Shanafan could probably use the help. You are wasting your time. |
oh boy user stats LOL. If you look at my earlier posts it was about set up and how the program works, I didn't get many answers, there was a home sight revamp and instructions so I continued with other tunnels not knowing the x link home page update then I still was a little confused with the explinations. Even in those posts I was never told:
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| I dont *Want* you as a user - becase you *are clearly stupid* |
I would be more helpfull but obviosly acording to flatt:
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| I dont *Want* you as a user - becase you *are clearly stupid* |
Nice. If he would have left that out & just posted the second part of his response that would have been uesfull and insightfull but no I got this:
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| I dont *Want* you as a user - becase you *are clearly stupid* |
Is not very nice
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| I dont *Want* you as a user - becase you *are clearly stupid* |
Is not very helpfull
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| I dont *Want* you as a user - becase you *are clearly stupid* |
is not very mature
Post by: jz28 on October 23, 2003, 10:24:00 AM
Post by: jz28 on October 23, 2003, 10:54:00 AM
| QUOTE (SplitboXer @ Oct 23 2003, 02:49 PM) |
| Btw, I've never even been on this forum before today, nor will I after today. I was told of the bashing and checked out. Everybodies got to have a defense. Joined: 23-October 03 |
You aren't going to stay around to help the users in your forum you have here? I am sure they would love your assistance...
That seems like a weak attitude, I mean, differences aside...you should still try and help them.
Post by: SplitboXer on October 23, 2003, 10:55:00 AM
Post by: jz28 on October 23, 2003, 11:11:00 AM
| QUOTE (SplitboXer @ Oct 23 2003, 02:55 PM) |
| OH, The unoffical forums you mean? We got our own over at www.xbconnect.com. |
I don't see why you would knock the forums here...They are still here to help you and your users. Don't be such a dick that you can't appreciate that.
Perhaps if you don't feel like you need them, someone should just shut them down here?
You got a piss poor attitude man...I am trying to make sense of it, but I just can't.
Let it go.
Post by: jz28 on October 23, 2003, 11:20:00 AM
| QUOTE (SplitboXer @ Oct 23 2003, 03:16 PM) | ||
I appreciate the fact we have forums here thats awsome, but do you see anybody from other major game sites, including MS, doing support on every forum that has a thread about their program? By me giving a smart ass come back for your smart ass remark above you say I have a shitty attitude. Son, if you want to have a battle of wits you better get out a pad of paper and pen and start taking notes. I ownz j00  |
If you don't feel that this is one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) xbox site on the net, then I don't know what to tell you.
What are you trying to prove here? Stop being such a jackass. There are xbconnect forums here. That's all I was telling you, and instead you want to act like a kid blasting obscenities...Really, you aren't helping your case at all.
Post by: Smoochie on October 23, 2003, 11:22:00 AM
| QUOTE (jz28 @ Oct 23 2003, 08:11 PM) |
| Don't be suck a dick that you can't appreciate that. |
Is that even english?!?!
| QUOTE |
| I dont *Want* you as a user - becase you *are clearly stupid* |
Post by: jz28 on October 23, 2003, 11:37:00 AM
| QUOTE (Smoochie @ Oct 23 2003, 03:22 PM) | ||||
Is that even english?!?!
|
It was a freakin typo man, we all make them...it's not grammer wars or anything...
You keep repeating that line that TD posted...why?
Granted, its him telling you that he thinks you are stupid, but its clearly because he thinks your philosophy is flawed...to keep repeating it is childish. Grow up man...you said what you wanted to say, now move on.
Post by: SplitboXer on October 23, 2003, 11:42:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| I may be the only person with this view, but then again i am entitled to it. I might also be the only one that thinks it is right down SAD to take such a nice post updating the state of "Fractions" and turning it into a flaming session. |
It is sad that it happened.... Not one follow up post to flat saying cool/congrats... If it was such a non topic with XBC why would you post that first? Dosen't make sence to me either....
Post by: jz28 on October 23, 2003, 11:51:00 AM
| QUOTE (SplitboXer @ Oct 23 2003, 03:42 PM) | ||
It is sad that it happened.... Not one follow up post to flat saying cool/congrats... If it was such a non topic with XBC why would you post that first? Dosen't make sence to me either.... |
Apparently you missed the 2nd post of the thread. Good job. It wasnt till the 3rd post, that someone had to blow things out of proportion.
Post by: Smoochie on October 23, 2003, 01:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (DrSuess @ Oct 23 2003, 08:35 PM) |
| From and end user stand point all I want is a client that I can run from my XBOX .. NOT MY PC. My XBOX is on a complete different FLOOR than my PC so I don't want to have to run up and down the stairs everytime I want to play a little online XBOX. From what I have been reading, besides LIVE, BO-XLINK comes the closest to what I am looking for. I have not tested it yet, but it looks and read like it. Now from a developer stand point, I would think you would care about what the end user wants or you will be developing these tools for nothing other than personal knowlodge. I may be the only person with this view, but then again i am entitled to it. |
Good points DR. Suees from my understsanding though the way it works is you still have to turn your computer on in a seperate room to get the tunnel to start. Then you go to the x-box (downstairs) and from there you can join rooms and play. So the first step involves the computer it is not a stand alone x-box connection like Live.
One end user way to look at it is I do not want to void my warranty on my box to play online. When you mod your x-box your warrrenty is voided and you will basically have to by a new xbox if anything goes wrong. You are also treading in the grey areas of legal issues regarding the uses of modded boxes here in the US.
No flaming m8 ;-). This was an intellegent post.
Correct me if I have the way BO X-link works when you set it up to run "like live"
Post by: poiygon on October 23, 2003, 01:29:00 PM
As for where the support forums are being hosted for each program, that's just shows the direction of which the developers are aiming. The members of X-S see XBA as a breeding ground for those less inclined to try things for themselves and form their own opinion on how to use their XBox. That's great for someone who wants to build a huge userbase regardless of the amount of support they'll need to provide to the "noobies". XBA seems like a great place for hardcore gamers. TD has chosen X-S as its host because he wants to be surrounded by those who share and can contribute to his passion for the homebrew scene.
In my opinion, XBC is great for those who just want someone to control their gaming and struggle with operating a computer. XLink is great for those who are more inclined to explore the capabilities of their XBox and are looking for a fast/stable program.
PS: As a developer, I believe that TD has the upper hand just by overall design.
Post by: afionda on October 23, 2003, 01:58:00 PM
| QUOTE (SplitboXer @ Oct 23 2003, 07:55 PM) |
| OH, The unoffical forums you mean? We got our own over at www.xbconnect.com. |
HAHAHAHAHHHAHAH OUR OWN FORUMS. YOU MEAN SHARING CAUSE YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT. PURCHASE A SQL Software package for your server than. DONT GIVE ME THAT CRAP. I GOT 5 ON IT !
Ohhh turst me you will NEVER see another post in XBC by me !
I will always support xbc, I do feel the software is great, But the noob ass mod/admins have got to go, Johnny, Visor, Beo, Bio, are all cool as hell, You need to get rid of the rest of these power happy noobs !
I am done will it all !
Post by: SplitboXer on October 23, 2003, 04:04:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| afionda Posted: Oct 23 2003, 12:07 AM Well XBC is the best tunnel out there. What else do u have to choose from. But as a vertan member of XBC. The program only gets better ! |
Found at : http://forums.xbox-s...T&f=52&t=114904
It's amazing how people can change their attitudes.
Post by: MaDDNeSS on October 23, 2003, 04:12:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| afionda Posted: Oct 23 2003, 12:07 AM Well XBC is the best tunnel out there. What else do u have to choose from. But as a vertan member of XBC. The program only gets better ! |
Who is the sellout now?
| QUOTE |
| I will always support xbc, I do feel the software is great, But the noob ass mod/admins have got to go, Johnny, Visor, Beo, Bio, are all cool as hell, You need to get rid of the rest of these power happy noobs ! |
Then let me be the first to say go F*** yourself
Post by: MaDDNeSS on October 23, 2003, 04:14:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| afionda Posted: Oct 23 2003, 12:07 AM Well XBC is the best tunnel out there. What else do u have to choose from. But as a vertan member of XBC. The program only gets better ! |
Who is the sellout now?
| QUOTE |
| I will always support xbc, I do feel the software is great, But the noob ass mod/admins have got to go, Johnny, Visor, Beo, Bio, are all cool as hell, You need to get rid of the rest of these power happy noobs ! |
Then let me be the first to say go F*** yourself
Post by: TheMuffinMan on October 23, 2003, 04:35:00 PM
I'm not a cool admin, what a shamePower happy noobs eh? I've been an op since before almost everyone else on the team, excluding Tod, Sardog, Splitboxer, and Visor. I brought on many of these ops that you see now. As to power hungry? - when was the last time you've seen me ban without a legitimate cause? As to the XLink/XBC debate everyone's overlooking one large thing.....
BoXlink can never fully suceed (sp?) because of the fact it has to be circulated via IRC, or some other p2p sending device, as to chat, last time I checked, the Xlink chat was based in IRC, though since I don't have the program anymore, haven't looked at it. User ratio wise, everyone must agree XBConnect right now has the largest percentage of players ( all of whom may just play HALO BG CTF) but that's beside the fact that yes, we do have more. The XBA merge, I don't even understand, or like ( they didn't like the signature) I've always been a fan of our own little "dark" forums. If I was MS ( I know they've heard of both, I talk with their support guys all the time) they side more towards GSA and XBC mainly because we're 100% legit, and flat, you MUST admit, your boxlink and xbclink are both kinda "underhanded" if you catch the drift. The last thing that comes to my head, is why the hell do posts like this get so blown out of proportion, it doesn't make much sense. But you attract more flies with honey flat, and you saying how much we suck doesn't really earn you any brownie points.
Post by: muerte on October 23, 2003, 04:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (TheMuffinMan @ Oct 23 2003, 07:35 PM) |
| BoXlink can never fully suceed (sp?) because of the fact it has to be circulated via IRC, or some other p2p sending device, as to chat, last time I checked, the Xlink chat was based in IRC, though since I don't have the program anymore, haven't looked at it. |
first of all, yes you suck at spelling. it's succeed. second of all, it's not distributed through p2p, idiot
. please don't talk against boxlink unless you know something about the homebrew scene... ie. learn about XBINS. Also, if you decide to post in these forums again, please take the time and go over your fucking horrible grammar. I really don't appreciate having to decipher a damn post.
| QUOTE |
| (all of whom may just play HALO BG CTF) but that's beside the fact |
first of all, the expression is BESIDES THE POINT. second of all, that isn't besides the point. the great thing about xlink is that people play games besides Halo.
I'll argue more later, when I'm done with all this damn work I have to do.
Post by: TheMuffinMan on October 23, 2003, 05:18:00 PM
Peer 2 Peer = Kazza type applications retard
Grammer?
no, it's just how one says something, ie i say besides the fact, you say besides the point , and usually when you say point, it's at a closing of a sentence, whereas mine continues, and my saying fact makes more sense.
ex. fetch yonder axe is = to get the axe over there
Post by: TheMuffinMan on October 23, 2003, 05:20:00 PM
Post by: TheMuffinMan on October 23, 2003, 05:26:00 PM
Post by: BigGanja on October 23, 2003, 05:41:00 PM
and as for boXlink NOT succeeding, i personally think it will, more people need to use WGN mode, and ACTUALLY set their status.
Post by: SuperDaimyo on October 23, 2003, 06:01:00 PM
Post by: dfunked on October 23, 2003, 07:34:00 PM
Jamaican ADSL.
Post by: JohnnyFuzz on October 23, 2003, 09:02:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| There's loads of help on our website and last time I checked, http://www.xbchelp.com/ is still under construction. |
I can answer this one since I do all of the work that site ;].
The reason there was a "Under Contruction because we're constantly adding new content" text on the main page is the fact that new routers come out and the same reason your help section is also unfinished. Things cannot be completely finished overnight.
| QUOTE |
| · Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) Help coming soon... |
Post by: MaDDNeSS on October 23, 2003, 09:53:00 PM
Post by: Smoochie on October 24, 2003, 09:09:00 AM
| QUOTE (muerte @ Oct 24 2003, 01:47 AM) |
| first of all, yes you suck at spelling. it's succeed. Also, if you decide to post in these forums again, please take the time and go over your fucking horrible grammar. I really don't appreciate having to decipher a damn post. |
Spelling Nazis ROFLMAO when you don't have any substance in your argument it's always essiest to attack Grammer and Spelling
you are the nitpick:
| QUOTE |
| Nitpick compensates for his general weakness as a Warrior by pouncing on errors, however irrelevant to the discussion, and using them to discredit the enemy. For example, if his opponent in a sports forum conflict casually mentioned the Cubs' 4-2 victory in the 1908 World Series, Nitpick would quickly counterattack with something like, "4-2 !? Any moron knows the Cubs won the Series 4-1! Someone so ignorant about baseball history can't possibly know anything about salary caps!" Even if the minor point is conceded Nitpick will return to it whenever pressed in the main arena of battle. |
Post by: Smoochie on October 24, 2003, 09:21:00 AM
| QUOTE (dfunked @ Oct 24 2003, 02:54 AM) |
| As for the flaming over user-interface, next time, why not post the correct pic?  is what you should be showing the people in here, rather than the screenshot that shows everything open.One other thing. X-Link may like to have users, but we certainly don't want users coming from XBC who there to just cause trouble. XBC users aren't the only users in the world who want to play online games for free. We do have other places to recruit more users from, such as X-S, which has a MUCH larger and generally more intelligent userbase than XBA. dfunked. |
OK Dfunk let me see if I understand it right. In order to join a game you only need to have the one window open? That shows only people on how do I know who is playing what? Do I just click on the name and then it is in the game? or does it open a second window? How can I tell who is playing what? Seriosly. I am curious. Ate if it is jst one port up and down then its the same.
And I didn't come over here to cause troubel I have merely been asking questions as to what I understand them to be. What I like about one interface what is the benifit in the other software.
I may not understand tunneling or support moding boxes (mainley cause that leads to pirarcy which is not only ILLEGAL, but takes money out of the hard working pockets of the guys who design the games to the people who press teh CD's). I do however understand Compters I have put together several. And yes I do now know that you do not need a modded box to run xlink messenger.
I do appreciate your logical well thought out response thanks.
Post by: jz28 on October 24, 2003, 09:46:00 AM
| QUOTE (Smoochie @ Oct 24 2003, 01:21 PM) | ||
OK Dfunk let me see if I understand it right. In order to join a game you only need to have the one window open? That shows only people on how do I know who is playing what? Do I just click on the name and then it is in the game? or does it open a second window? How can I tell who is playing what? Seriosly. I am curious. Ate if it is jst one port up and down then its the same. And I didn't come over here to cause troubel I have merely been asking questions as to what I understand them to be. What I like about one interface what is the benifit in the other software. I may not understand tunneling or support moding boxes (mainley cause that leads to pirarcy which is not only ILLEGAL, but takes money out of the hard working pockets of the guys who design the games to the people who press teh CD's). I do however understand Compters I have put together several. And yes I do now know that you do not need a modded box to run xlink messenger. I do appreciate your logical well thought out response thanks. |
you might find the INSTRUCTIONS on the website to be helpful to you:
www.xboxlink.co.uk
There is also a FAQ there.
Post by: BigGanja on October 24, 2003, 01:36:00 PM
Honestly, its so easy to use, i think the interface is great
heres a tip, btW :
USE WGN MODE !!!!
And Set your Status as you can see that bottom box in the image (im not doing anything) IE: i am hosting Tony Hawks4 etc etc, i personally think more people should do this.
Post by: whozyodaddy on October 25, 2003, 09:19:00 AM
| QUOTE (flat235 @ Oct 21 2003, 11:52 PM) |
| XBConnect has recently moved their forum operations to xboxaddict, home of every stinking, stupid, 12yr old gaming noob in the world.. |
hey, im 12, modded my own xbox w/120gb (i know almost everything about the xbox), programmed with .NET, designed with photoshop, animated with flash, web design with frontpage, and currently learning Maya, which is very hard, and kicked ass in all of these games:
Age of Mythology
Unreal Tournament 2003
Unreal Championship 2003
Halo
Command & Conquer: Generals
and im just getting started...
in unreal tournament 2003, i was ranked number 4 out of the 1,200 that played the demo
oh, it doesn't matter anyways im just a stupid noob, aren't I?
Post by: jz28 on October 25, 2003, 11:04:00 AM
| QUOTE (whozyodaddy @ Oct 25 2003, 01:19 PM) | ||
hey, im 12, modded my own xbox w/120gb (i know almost everything about the xbox), programmed with .NET, designed with photoshop, animated with flash, web design with frontpage, and currently learning Maya, which is very hard, and kicked ass in all of these games: Age of Mythology Unreal Tournament 2003 Unreal Championship 2003 Halo Command & Conquer: Generals and im just getting started... in unreal tournament 2003, i was ranked number 4 out of the 1,200 that played the demo oh, it doesn't matter anyways im just a stupid noob, aren't I? |
I dont know if you are a stupid noob, but you do sound like a cocky s.o.b.
Post by: muerte on October 25, 2003, 11:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (whozyodaddy @ Oct 25 2003, 12:19 PM) |
| hey, im 12, modded my own xbox w/120gb (i know almost everything about the xbox), programmed with .NET, designed with photoshop, animated with flash, web design with frontpage, and currently learning Maya, which is very hard, and kicked ass in all of these games: Age of Mythology Unreal Tournament 2003 Unreal Championship 2003 Halo Command & Conquer: Generals and im just getting started... in unreal tournament 2003, i was ranked number 4 out of the 1,200 that played the demo oh, it doesn't matter anyways im just a stupid noob, aren't I? |
i'm glad to hear you can:
* cout << 1+1;
* use frontpage
* animate in flash (although you probably use swish)
* and draw smiley faces in photoshop
Post by: CeREaL on October 25, 2003, 12:27:00 PM
all of this talk makes me wanna play some midtown madness 3 online! well im off to play some games using the best tunnel software around brought to you by the best! XLINK!!!!!
Post by: jz28 on October 25, 2003, 06:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (CeREaL @ Oct 25 2003, 04:27 PM) |
| to the guy who said you in fact need a modded xbox to use xlink messenger? uhh what are you talking about? the only app you need a modded xbox for is BO-XLink and it is much better then xbc because you dont have to be running back and forth everytime someone screw up the game or lags it to shit! alls you simply have to do is reboot to your dashboard goto bo-xlink and find another room! and you only need 1 window open for xlink .. to find out the games and more info of where people are just switch your mode to rooms mode or wgn its that simple! you dont need 3 different windows! xlink always will be better then xbc for the facts that you can get a "full version" of it for free unlike xbc! you can sit by your xbox at all times so you dont have to dick around for an hour trying to find a legit game ! and there are more games being played then just halo! i used to use xbc but got bored of halo and bored of all the fags that flood the chat and dont even play games! xlink is straight forward gaming even if there are less people its way more user friendly and i find support is better! i dont care if you guys flame me for not makin sense alls i have to say is grow up get a life and take your thumb out of your asses! all of this talk makes me wanna play some midtown madness 3 online! well im off to play some games using the best tunnel software around brought to you by the best! XLINK!!!!! |
here here! right on man
Post by: dfunked on October 25, 2003, 08:37:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| hey, im 12, modded my own xbox w/120gb (i know almost everything about the xbox), programmed with .NET, designed with photoshop, animated with flash, web design with frontpage, and currently learning Maya, which is very hard, and kicked ass in all of these games... |
I'd like to see what you programmed in .NET (btw, mind telling me which .NET language?)
Who can't use a couple of filters in PhotoShop and call their work their own?
Who can't animate in flash? If you could show me some advanced actionscripting then I could shutup (possibly)..
Who the hell can't design a shitty looking website in FrontPage?
Learning Maya, or just downloading examples from the net, tweaking them a little then calling them your own?
Last but not least, how do we know you "kicked ass" in the aforementioned games?
PS. Modding an XBox is not difficult mate. Putting a 120GB in there is even easier.
Stop boasting. If you wanted to impress us and retract our statement about 12 year old noobs, you could've constructed a more mature response.
Had enough of this rubbish already,
dfunked.