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Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on January 06, 2005, 06:41:00 PM

OK, first off, I would like to emphasize this is Marriage Theory, no one can say for sure this is whats going on, its simply the explanation for current bannings I find to have the most evidence to support it.

Preface: When Did All This Start?

QUOTE

Marriages seem to have been made since July 2004 or so, the bans started circa November 9th 2004.

What this means if you have not been on Live since July 2004 you can upgrade your HD now and get back on Live without worry.

It also means that if you have been using the same HD since July 2004 (IE you upgraded before that time) you are also safe from ban.

Chapter 1: What Is Marriage Theory?

Marriage Theory is simple, when you first log in to XBOX Live your Eeprom and Hard Drive serial number are "married" or linked together in whatever files MS has on their servers.

Chapter 2: OK, So What Does That Mean?

Well it means that instead of just banning the Eeprom, as in the past, you Hard Drive is also banned.

Additionally, it means that if either Eeprom or Hard Drive are changed without the other (IE: HD upgrade after using Live or Eeprom replacement after banning) you will get banned.

**UPDATE** It seems that while eeproms are married to HDs the Hard Drives can be polygamists, an unbanned (yet not "virgin") HD can be married to multiple Eeproms. So moving an unbanned Hard Drive to a new xbox will not result in a ban, even if the HD has been on Live with another Xbox.

Chapter 3: Whatever, Just Tell Me How Do I Get Around It?

Well, obvious solution, don't change HDs after using Live. However, if you must, you can do 1 of 2 things...

Option 1: Set up a switch to use your old Hard Drive on Live.

Option 2: Obtain and flash a new Eeprom at the same time you upgrade your Hard Drive.

And as always, never, EVER connect to Live with your modchip enabled.

Chapter 4: What If I Am Already Banned? What Do I Do Now?

As before you will need to obtain an unbanned Eeprom, however now you will also need to obtain an unbanned Hard Drive (you can still keep your old one if it is an upgraded HD using Option 1 from Chapter 3)

**UPDATE** See Chapter 5 below

Chapter 5: Flagged GamerTags

Guess I was wrong on this one folks, it seems MS is indeed flagging GamerTags, if you have been banned under a particular GamerTag it seems to be scrutinized more closely, and will get you banned again if you have any upgraded Hard Drive (even if you comply with Marriage Theory and have the chip off)

Obvious solution: get a new GamerTag.

However you can still use a flagged GamerTag provided you only sign on with a stock Hard Drive (see Chapter 3, Option 1)

I do not believe they are actually banning GamerTags, if you receive a messege saying your account has been suspended for 1-3 months this is not due to a modified Xbox, this is due to complaints and negative feedback from other players. This is generally a direct result of your actions during games, these negative actions include rudeness, swearing, racial and ethnic slurs, cheating, teamkilling and generally being a buttnugget. Take your suspension, do your time and when you come back just grow up.

Once again I would like to stress this is merely the working theory for whats going on with the recent bannings, I do not claim to know for certain what is going on at MS headquarters or in Billy G's head.

This post has been edited by lordvader129: Jun 2 2005, 11:37 PM

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on January 06, 2005, 06:43:00 PM

Appendix A: What About LPC Scanning?

I have only seen one person with any evidence to to show MS is scanning the LPC bus for modchips, this was posted about 2 months ago and no new concrete evidence has surfaced, I feel this theory is pretty much dead.

**UPDATE** I have seen alot more mention of this, but still no EVIDENCE, just more and more people worried about it. From what i have seen MS is NOT scanning the LPC bus for a modchip.

Appendix B: What About HD Scanning?

Section 1: Upgraded HDs

I personally have been on Live for about 5 or 6 months with a Maxtor 250gb HD, I have complied with the Marriage Theory and as of this post I am not banned. Many other people are using Live with upgraded HDs as well (and complying with Marriage Theory) and are also not banned.

Section 2: File Scanning

On C: Not sure about this one, I personally have a clean C drive, but i have heard other people with custom dashboards on C:/ using Live with no troubles, I don't feel this is an issue.

On E: I have demoed just about every homebrew app, dashboard, game and emulator available at the usual places, and most of which save settings and profile info in E:/Udata, i also have an exploited gamesave for 007: Agent Under Fire containing several hacked bios and unsigned xbes. I reiterate: I have not been banned.

On F: MS couldn't scan this drive if they wanted to, at least not on the bios currently used on stock Xboxes (kernels 5838 and lower) the F partition is not enabled nor mounted, and cannot be accessed by either MS or homebrew code.

Appendix C: What About <<Insert New Theory Here>>?

Bannings that people attribute to the above theories and likely any new theories can most likely be explained by the basic Marriage Theory I have outlined, if any new concrete evidence surfaces I will certainly update this post.

Appendix D: Combinations of EEPROMS, HDs, and GTs and Results

Read This Thread

**UPDATE**
I Replaced My EEPROM And/Or HDD But Now getting Live Not Found...What Gives?

Well from what I have been reading lately it seems you are unfortunately banned again, and this error is a precursor to the actual Modified Hardware error. I guess MS can detect broken marriages as soon as you log in and prevent you from even accessing Live until they add you to the banned list.

My Theory as to why this is happening like this:

I believe MS has instated a sort of Live password as part of the Marriage security measures. Live prompts your xbox for a login of sorts, this login is the same as your EEPROM serial number. It then asks for a password, this password is your HDs lock code or HD serial number. If they do not match what MS has on file on their servers you cannot connect to Live (Live Not Found) and it adds your EEPROM serial to the list of pending bans (same as folks who log in with a hacked bios) If it is a EEPROM they do not have on file they put it on file with the HD code and thus the marriage takes place.

This explains why people who change HDs without changing eeprom cannot access Live at all (since the "password" isnt correct they cant log in) and then only later get the modified hardware error (after the "classic" ban has been processed)

This also explains the odd scenario of HDs being able to be used with multiple Eeproms, MS checks for duplicate "logins" (Eeproms) not duplicate "passwords" (HD serials)

This post has been edited by lordvader129: Sep 2 2005, 12:13 AM

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: xprimex on January 06, 2005, 08:18:00 PM

great post LordVader!

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: singh on January 06, 2005, 09:03:00 PM

this should get pinned. Great post

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on January 07, 2005, 08:35:00 AM

This current thread deals with only the basics of Marriage Theory. For those who are interested in the nitty gritty details you can check out the original in-depth Marriage Theory thread which has full references and expanded info on broad range of Marriage Theory and related topics.

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=304652 <-- GO HERE

Also, check the section on "Flagged Gamertags" which explains why people get their xboxes rebanned if they use a gamertag which has already been banned.

This post has been edited by Gumba: Feb 26 2005, 01:57 PM

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: harrytasker on January 07, 2005, 11:47:00 AM

What happens if i copy my live account from one original XBox to another original XBOX?
I mean if i have two XBOX i can only use my gamertag on one XBOX and not on the other cause of the marriage theory.
Bit confused because that would mean if one of my XBOX breaks down i can't use the account on another XBOX because they have different EEprom & HDD or am i wrong?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Fofer on January 07, 2005, 01:00:00 PM

QUOTE(harrytasker @ Jan 7 2005, 08:11 PM)

or am i wrong?

Bingo: you're wrong. Read the post, open your mind!

And think: why would M$ prevent you from moving your gamertag from one original xbox to another original xbox?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on January 07, 2005, 07:58:00 PM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Jan 7 2005, 09:59 AM)

Also, check the section on "Flagged Gamertags" which explains why people get their xboxes rebanned if they use a gamertag which has already been banned.

im not sure GTs get flagged at all, if they do its not part of a the normal "ban procedure" sinc ei know a few people who have been banned multiple times with a single GT and still use it just fine

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: shanafan on January 09, 2005, 02:43:00 PM

QUOTE(singh @ Jan 6 2005, 10:27 PM)

this should get pinned. Great post

Mentioned in the pinned topic just now

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: aaron1017 on January 09, 2005, 06:23:00 PM

LordVader,

Not sure if this contradicts the marriage theory or what you would classify it as.

Here are my Xboxs:

Red Xbox:
* 1.0 with Xecuter 2.6 Lite and 160GB Hard Drive
* I upgraded the drive BEFORE going onto Xbox LIVE. Played on LIVE everyday for about 3 weeks and was never banned.

Crystal Xbox:
* 1.6 with Xecuter 3 and Stock Hard drive.
* Never used it on LIVE until I upgraded the Hard Drive.

I took my 160GB Hard Drive out of my Red Xbox and installed it into my Crystal Xbox. I added my LIVE account to the Xbox using the Account Recovery option. I've been using this Xbox since November 9th to play on LIVE everyday and I haven't been banned. It is in my livingroom and gets used ALOT, people even try to sign in with the modchip on too since I have two guest accounts.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on January 09, 2005, 06:45:00 PM

this is a great thread. good thinking lordvader129

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on January 09, 2005, 06:46:00 PM

hmm, when was the last time you used the red xbox on Live? the marriage bannings started around the same time as halo 2s release (maybe a bit before, possibly as early as the french leak)

as for attmepting to sign in with chip on, you are usin an x3 bios, correct? that blocks access to Live to prevent banning

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on January 09, 2005, 06:52:00 PM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Jan 10 2005, 01:10 PM)

as for attmepting to sign in with chip on, you are usin an x3 bios, correct? that blocks access to Live to prevent banning

i was going to say...
if you signed in with teh chip on, ud be out of live for sure.
so i think lordvader129's right, its not actually goign on live. it wouldnt let you on with the chip on.
and i think all of this started a bit before the french leak of h2.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on January 09, 2005, 10:26:00 PM

QUOTE(aaron1017 @ Jan 10 2005, 02:54 AM)

The Marriage Theory post says this

Drive Cross-Referencing
You can use an unbanned but not virgin HD with a virgin EEPROM but you can't use a non-virgin EEPROM with a different HD (without copying the drive 'disk.bin' info from one to the other)

Which basically means, you won't get banned for doing what you've done

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on January 09, 2005, 10:40:00 PM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Jan 8 2005, 04:22 AM)

im not sure GTs get flagged at all, if they do its not part of a the normal "ban procedure" sinc ei know a few people who have been banned multiple times with a single GT and still use it just fine

Are they using large HDs?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on January 09, 2005, 11:01:00 PM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Jan 9 2005, 11:57 PM)

what post in this from? id like to add it to my guide

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on January 10, 2005, 08:01:00 PM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Jan 10 2005, 07:25 AM)

what post in this from? id like to add it to my guide

The initial post was linked from the marriage theory post

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=299557&st=270&p=2049500&#entry2049500

There have been others, at this point, feet14 has now been on live after swapping his old drive back, with a new eeprom, for 7 weeks.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: aaron1017 on January 10, 2005, 09:13:00 PM

Vader... I play on LIVE with the RED XBOX about 3 weeks everyday before halo 2 came out. After reading about the marriage theory, I just decided to see if I'd be banned.... so i swapped the non-virgin HDD into my virgin crystal.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on January 11, 2005, 09:07:00 PM

QUOTE(aaron1017 @ Jan 11 2005, 05:37 AM)

And?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on January 11, 2005, 10:12:00 PM

QUOTE(aaron1017 @ Jan 11 2005, 03:37 PM)

just wondering, id b pointless saying soemthing liek this, unless you know the results of your expirement.

well b a waiting for em

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: aaron1017 on January 11, 2005, 11:25:00 PM

And I've been fine since...I play on the crystal everyday.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on January 12, 2005, 02:38:00 AM

QUOTE(aaron1017 @ Jan 12 2005, 05:56 PM)

And I've been fine since...I play on the crystal everyday.

good to see that you answered

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: 66Nicks on January 12, 2005, 11:39:00 PM

I have JUST bought XBOX live, and after reading all this I am hesitant to use it.
I have no idea how to tell what kind of chip I have, someone else installed it for me, is there any way to tell? Other than that I have a 120GB Maxtor HD with all my games backed up on it and I play them off the HD. I am also using EvoX as my Dash. Now the question is, how do I go about turning off the modchip and still playing my games. Keeping in mind I have the original copies in a safety deposit box to keep them fresh until my grandkids sell them on ebay. I could made backed up burned disc copies, but disabling the chip would not allow me to play those either right?
Help, is there any hope for me to play Live, or should I just give up and stick with XBConnect?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on January 12, 2005, 11:48:00 PM

well if you want to use Live youll have to go get those originals

if you want to know what chip you have open the xbox and look at it, post pics ehre and someone can tell you what it is

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: 66Nicks on January 13, 2005, 12:06:00 AM

I've given up trying to find the torx bit to open it up again.. but I can tell you this, if I just push the power button quickly, the disc eject button flashes red and green and the "your xbox needs servicing screen displays, instead I have to HOLD the power button for about 2 seconds to load the EvoX Dashboard/disc in tray. Even if that doesn't help you figure out what my modchip is, how do I get around that xbox needs servicing screen, I assume that not holding the power button is disabling the modchip, but that does me no good.. I am I missing a file in my C: ?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on January 13, 2005, 12:49:00 AM

sounds liek an aladdin

is there a number in the upper left corner of the error screen? its possible your HD isnt lcoked

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Alucard7 on January 13, 2005, 02:47:00 AM

sorry to change the subject but i am a little confused with the situation that i have. I started a xbl account, then modded my xbox (unfortunately with the x-chip) and upgraded to a 200gb wd hd. to make a long story short i got banned after 1 day of play. I tried switching back the stock hd but i couldnt connect to xbl so i did the troubleshooter and it listed 3 reasons it wasn't able to connect, none being about modified hardware/software. I was just wondering if anyone had any suggestions. thanks

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: 66Nicks on January 13, 2005, 09:21:00 PM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Jan 13 2005, 03:13 AM)

sounds liek an aladdin

is there a number in the upper left corner of the error screen? its possible your HD isnt lcoked

Yes, theres the # 05 in upper left corner and then it says your xbox requires servicing contact customer service.. and then the same in a bunch of languages..
It is quite possible my HD isn't locked, I hadn't thought of that, is that done through the evo-x dash? also once the HD is locked I won't be able to run games from the HD until I unlock it, is that right?
That in mind all I would have to do is lock the HD, run an original disc without holding the power button (todisable my chip I assume) and I should be able to run xbox live??

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on January 13, 2005, 11:29:00 PM

05 is definately HD not locked

once the HD is locked the only difference will be error 05 will go away 9and you will be fine on Live) you will still be able to read and write to the HD like normal

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on January 14, 2005, 08:54:00 PM

locking teh drive will get you to be able to boot your xbox up with the stock bios, to get you on Live. But to play a gam, you need an original disc. so its either you get teh games out of the safe deposit box, or you dont go xbox live.
just remember that if you dont want to go live, you can allways use tunneling software to play other people by the internet.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: 66Nicks on January 14, 2005, 10:44:00 PM

Thx guys,
yeah I have been using xbconnect for awhile now, but some friends are trying to get me to pay for live.. I'll prolly just stick with the tunneling sotware for now. I may pull some games outta the lockbox later.
Other than being able to boot the original Bios, is there any other dif. if I lock the HD? Ie, will I still be able to access the HD through FTP for file transfers..
Basically once I lock the HD is there ANY downside I might see? Also will I be able to "unlock" it again or is there any need? I believe the xbox unlocks it upon boot on its own and then locks it upon shutdown, is that right? Or is it only the original bios that does that and I'll need to unlock it again to run the xbox with the chip turned on?
I know this thread was about something else.. so I'm sorry to polute it with my questions, but I searched the forums for awhile and couldn't find any answers so I feel it's relevant. Thanks again.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on January 14, 2005, 10:58:00 PM

well a locked drive is just a stupid thing thst ms does. some of teh new drives that they make cant even be locked any more. its like a very outdated security method. the drive will still function teh dsme, wheter it is lcoked or unlocked. if you want to go live, just get a copy of configmagic (from the usual places), and lock your drive. then run a backup in evox, and copy all of the files that it makes to your computer.
that way, if your xbox decided to shit itself, you can recover the hard drive (coz its locked, itll only work on the xbox)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: 66Nicks on January 14, 2005, 11:09:00 PM

That sounds like a good plan, I have config magic already, I just didn't know what to expect when I ran it.. will it tell me what files it has creatd? I assume it creats a log of the password to unlock, but where do I find that file..?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on January 16, 2005, 02:33:00 AM

QUOTE(66Nicks @ Jan 15 2005, 05:33 PM)

the master password that it will create for teh drive will be: TEAMASSEMBLY.

i dont think it creates backup files (but then again its been like 6months since ive used it, so i may be wrong).
best best is to try it, can see how things go. just use ur common sense so you dont do somethign to completley fuck up your xbox

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: 66Nicks on January 17, 2005, 02:03:00 AM

Thx for the help guys.. I've been playing LIVE for the last two days with my 120GB HD and no probs.. but someone posted earlier to make a backup through the EvoX dash, which I did, and then they said to copy the backup files to your comp incase the HD goes nutty or whatev.. anyone know what files contain the backup info?? (And where they are?)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on January 17, 2005, 03:27:00 AM

QUOTE(66Nicks @ Jan 17 2005, 08:34 PM)

if you do the backup with evox, then they should be in the e:\ partition. there are like 5 files that it makes. might be in a folder called backup.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: gunit202 on January 17, 2005, 08:06:00 PM

i got a hhdkey.bin and an EEprom.bin file from me frend can i jus put them in the backup folder and flash the eeprom?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on January 19, 2005, 03:35:00 AM

QUOTE(gunit202 @ Jan 18 2005, 02:30 PM)

i got a hhdkey.bin and an EEprom.bin file from me frend can i jus put them in the backup folder and flash the eeprom?

yes you could do that, but that wouldnt do anythign positive for you. just make teh backup, then copy the fiels that it makes to your computer, for safeguarding.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: chronicboy on January 19, 2005, 10:12:00 PM

hey i'm not shure if anybody is going to reply to this because this is an older post but anyways basically what this says is that if i take my stock hard drive( i plan on just swapping hdd's when i play xbl) so if i use my stock hdd when i set up and play xbl i won't get banned regardless of the files i have on my xbox ...the basic question is if i have files that wouldn't normally be on a xbox on my hard drie will i get banned? thanks for the help

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on January 20, 2005, 01:34:00 AM

QUOTE(chronicboy @ Jan 20 2005, 04:36 PM)

no, i dont think they scann the hard drives, so no, you shouldnt get banned

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: dkilp on January 20, 2005, 04:33:00 PM

QUOTE

On F: MS couldn't scan this drive if they wanted to, at least not on the bios currently used on stock Xboxes (kernels 5838 and lower) the F partition is not enabled nor mounted, and cannot be accessed by either MS or homebrew code

I have a v1.6b xbox and when i boot to the xbox dash and check my memory i can see all the programs on my F:\ drive and i says that I have 50,000+ blocks of memory free. Does this mean that the new xboxes can scan the whole HD?

xecuter 3 chip
X3 bios\evox dash
segate 160mb HD locked

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on January 21, 2005, 08:56:00 AM

QUOTE(dkilp @ Jan 21 2005, 12:57 AM)

I have a v1.6b xbox and when i boot to the xbox dash and check my memory i can see all the programs on my F:\ drive and i says that I have 50,000+ blocks of memory free. Does this mean that the new xboxes can scan the whole HD?
xecuter 3 chip
X3 bios\evox dash
segate 160mb HD locked

No.

It means they can see the saved games which are on the e: drive

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: chuckalicious on January 21, 2005, 10:36:00 AM

Okay, so let me get this straight....

The marriage theory, when someone mentioned the information stored on the MS servers, do you think this is created at the time you first log on to Live or is this information created at the time the XBox is made int he factory.
If it's the first, would I be okay with my situation?

I have a 1.6 Xbox, with a SpiderChip (I know I know) and EvoXM8_16plus bios installed.
I also have a 120Gb Maxtor HDD. I have not used or signed up to Live yet.

Would I get banned if I signed up or is it only if you sign up play, THEN change the HDD from the MS one.

I hope this is the case, as I'd love to try Live.
Thanks all

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: me_007x on January 21, 2005, 03:33:00 PM

Thanks Vader, I've been looking for this post.

Quick question, you said that eeproms can be polygamist, what does polygamist mean... lol, only joking.

What about the drives? I have a banned xbox for which I have ordered a new faulty mobo and drive (matched) to get it unbanned. However, I got banned just over a year ago cause I no one told me I couldn't go live with the mod chip on. Since then I have periodically tried to access live just to see if M$ 'forgot' about me but it hasn't (boooo). However, I would prefer not to go through the hassle of swapping drives and eeproms unless I have to (the faulty mobo is for backup parts) so I was wondering if I flash my eeprom and then unlock and relock my hd will I be able to go live?

Let me guess your answer...

I don't know, I guess you need to try it and find out.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: dkilp on January 21, 2005, 05:08:00 PM

[/QUOTE]QUOTE(dkilp @ Jan 21 2005, 12:57 AM)
I have a v1.6b xbox and when i boot to the xbox dash and check my memory i can see all the programs on my F:\ drive and i says that I have 50,000+ blocks of memory free. Does this mean that the new xboxes can scan the whole HD?
xecuter 3 chip
X3 bios\evox dash
segate 160mb HD locked

No.

It means they can see the saved games which are on the e: drive

Quote

It is seeing more than saved games it's seeing Surreal64 which is on my F drive and i've never used it, and it's seeing DVD2XBOX and MAMEoX Launcher both also installed on the F drive. Are all these programs leaving footprints on the E drive?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: noonan2678 on January 23, 2005, 12:37:00 AM

A quick question...

I have an executor 3 and have been banned as I had signed up for Live before the modding. When I set up my new HDD I made sure to back up the eeprom and hdkey from my old machine and HDD. They are all in a backup folder.

How do I revert to those files so I can get back on?? Do any files need to be copied or do I just flash the bios with the old eeprom?

Thanks for the help...

NooNaN

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on January 24, 2005, 05:42:00 PM

QUOTE(chuckalicious @ Jan 21 2005, 07:00 PM)

Its created when you first connect to XBL. Yes, I think you'll get banned for signing up (but not playing) and then swapping drives.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on January 24, 2005, 05:50:00 PM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Jan 25 2005, 12:06 PM)

Its created when you first connect to XBL. Yes, I think you'll get banned for signing up (but not playing) and then swapping drives.

youll get banned if you swap teh drives, then go on xblive. so in otehr words, you can only use teh same hard drive that was in teh xbox when you first go xbox live (eg sign up for it).

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on January 25, 2005, 04:39:00 PM

updated with some old/new information

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Lord Magnus on January 26, 2005, 06:32:00 AM

I like the new updates on this. Keep up the good work.

Filtering that LONG-ASS thread is something that needed to be done.

my kudos to you lordvader129

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on January 27, 2005, 04:13:00 AM

yer great work lordvader with the updates. better then having to read everything everytime

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Thathrillest on January 30, 2005, 07:17:00 PM

here is my situation: i burned halo 2 to my hard drive when i got it, but i turned off the chip and used the disc when i played online. I was banned a few days later. I then started a new account on a different xbox. I want to know if i can put my old stock hard drive back in my modded xbox and switch my xbox live account to the stock hard drive. Also can someone tell me if the 160 gig hard drive and the stock hard drive have different eeproms?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on January 30, 2005, 10:12:00 PM

The eeprom is stored on the motherboard, not the harddrive.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on January 31, 2005, 12:40:00 AM

QUOTE(Thathrillest @ Jan 31 2005, 12:16 PM)

yer an eeprom is a motherboard thing.
from what you say, then yes i think you would get banned. that is if you were banned, then put another hard drive in the xbox that you were usign when you got banned.
if thats what your trying to say, then yes, you will get banned again.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: CoheednCambria on January 31, 2005, 12:48:00 AM

QUOTE(Thathrillest @ Jan 31 2005, 02:16 AM)

I don´t understand how u got banned.
U copied the game to ur HDD, and then played with the original disc and with modchip off and played in Xbox Live and got banned?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on January 31, 2005, 01:07:00 AM

QUOTE(CoheednCambria @ Jan 31 2005, 12:47 AM)

I don´t understand how u got banned.
U copied the game to ur HDD, and then played with the original disc and with modchip off and played in Xbox Live and got banned?

its likely h2 auto logged in while he was playing it off the HD

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on January 31, 2005, 01:24:00 AM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Jan 31 2005, 06:06 PM)

its likely h2 auto logged in while he was playing it off the HD

^^^he's a thinker

thats why if i get live, it wont be plugged in all the time.
its either that or get a chip that stops access to xbox live

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on January 31, 2005, 02:18:00 AM

I think you mean a bios.

Anywho, there is *no* excuse not to use an XBL blocking bios.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on January 31, 2005, 03:31:00 AM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Jan 31 2005, 07:17 PM)

I think you mean a bios.

Anywho, there is *no* excuse not to use an XBL blocking bios.

yer thats what i meant. well bioses go on chips...

that tru though. coz it woudl be a pain to get a good setup, then not have a good bios and a game auto sign's in....

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: chuckalicious on January 31, 2005, 04:55:00 AM

Ok, if there's no excuse....
what BIOS' support the auto login feature?
I have a 1.6 XBox with a SpiderChip 1.1 and M8 16 plus BIOS installed. I haven't signed up to Live yet so the fact that I've changed my HDD shouldn't matter, but I'd like to use the auto login ban thing if my chip supports whatever BIOS.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: chuckalicious on January 31, 2005, 05:28:00 AM

Okay, to answer my own question, I have read that the X2 4983 BIOS supports it, but I've also read that this BIOS doesn't really like the 1.6 XBoxes.
Does this mean I can't use it in my box?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: NipsMG on January 31, 2005, 07:17:00 AM

QUOTE(chuckalicious @ Jan 31 2005, 12:51 PM)

Okay, for folks like me who have a 1.6 Xbox, I have read, so far, that we can't use the BIOS that supports XBox Live blocking. From my reading, only the 49xx BIOS' do this and they don't work well on 1.6 Xboxes.

So, for those of you that can, I imagine bloking the ports on your broadband router would do the trick. Then when you want to play, simply unblock the ports.

I know it's a bit more of a pain, but if it stops banning, that's got to be a good thing.

So, my only question is, what ports does XBL use?

Xbins:

XBOX\Exploits\Bios Patchers and Loaders\pblmetoo\metoo-m8plus-v1.4.1.zip

Works with V1.6. Has LiveBlocking.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: chuckalicious on January 31, 2005, 07:57:00 AM

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: chuckalicious on January 31, 2005, 08:19:00 AM

Ok, so downloaded the file, and read the instructions.
If I do the installation the way the readme file describes it, do I need to edit the config file or not? For both the EPROM key and the RC4 key, it states you don't need them for the M8 BIOSs, so does this mean we delete the line in the config file, or leave it, or change it? I really don't want to screw this up, seeing as the box already works well, only withouth Live blocking
So can I use the default config file with my spiderchip flashed with the M8 16 plus bios?
Thanks again

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: chuckalicious on January 31, 2005, 08:38:00 AM

Or would it be better simply to do the normal EvoX reflash using the EvoX dash?
I have EvoX installed, just not running so easily done if you'd recommend doing it that way instead of using the default.xbe included with the MeToo BIOS'

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 01, 2005, 05:19:00 AM

QUOTE(chuckalicious @ Feb 1 2005, 01:37 AM)

well id say use evox

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: chuckalicious on February 01, 2005, 05:32:00 AM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Feb 1 2005, 11:18 AM)

well id say use evox

And you'd be right

Did it last night. Flawless. Worth putting in the line:
Flash = 0xbf52,"Spiderchip",0x40000
into the evox.ini if it's a Spiderchip

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lars1273 on February 01, 2005, 01:38:00 PM

I have a box that I played XBL about a year ago and then stopped using it. I know installed an X3 and have an upgraded hard drive. I think I would get banned if I tried to get back on XBL with the new hard drive (according to theory)...can I do anything to this box to get it on XBL with the upgraded hd?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on February 01, 2005, 07:08:00 PM

You should be fine as the marriages only started to be recorded circa July last year.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 02, 2005, 12:37:00 AM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Feb 2 2005, 12:07 PM)

You should be fine as the marriages only started to be recorded circa July last year.

yer youll be fine. for a year ago, tehy were only bannign for hacked bioses.
so youll be fine now, just make sure that the chip isnt enabled when you go live, and you will be fine

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: deea111 on February 04, 2005, 01:58:00 AM

whats up xbox-scene. i've been reading this thread and a few other tutorials in this site hoping for solutions about my xbox live problem, but i'm still a little fuzzy about what exactly is going on. so i'd figure i'd ask you all directly. before i begin, i'm letting you guys know that i have little knowledge about modding xboxs and the specs done to my box. what i do know is that it has a 120 gb western digital hd, runs the x-evolution dashboard, has a toggle switch on the bottom of the box which allows me to switch between the modded side and the live side, and my box was manufactured in '03 (i don't know if that'll help one bit). well, here's my problem: i've been playing halo 2 on live for almost 2 months(with no problems) until my nephew accidentally tried to go on live by running halo 2 off the hard drive. i didn't realize it until the following day when i tried to play halo 2 on live directly off the cd. the last step in the troubleshooting task failed before displaying the "would not connect due to detected upgraded software/modified hardware" message. i explained the problem to the person who modded my xbox and he had the box "flashed" (i think that's the term he used). when i got the box back, i played on live fine that night; but the following day, the same thing happened all over again. no one touched my box since the previous night i played it. anyways, i am positive that the switch wasn't on the modded side. i always double check before playing. right now, if i have to, i'll get rid of the box just so i can get another to play halo 2 on live again(halo 2 is just that dope). so here's my questions:

what can i have done to the box so that i can play on live again?
i don't think my live account is banned because i was able to play tonight on a different box...so what IS exactly banned?? is it my xbox that is banned from playing live?? or is it my ip address?? i'm clueless fellas. i'm also thinking about trading modded xboxs with my friend...what do you'll think??

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 04, 2005, 02:45:00 AM

well it sounds like what he did was change dteh eeprom number. if so, xbox live would have picked that up (marrige thingy = hdd number and xbox number married), and now it wont work.

that sound likley guys?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: MyS2006 on February 04, 2005, 08:16:00 PM

question here my friend got banned tonight he has a x2 and a stock HDD im gonna buy a new eeprom for him for 10 dollars if he gets it does he need a new HDD and new gamertag like i said his HDD is the retail HDD that came with his version 1.0 xbox.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on February 04, 2005, 09:18:00 PM

QUOTE(MyS2006 @ Feb 4 2005, 08:15 PM)

theres some conflicting info on that one, some say you can 'revirginize" and even unban and HD, others say the serial is banned and cant be unbanned

just to be otn eh safe side id say get a new HD

as long as the HD is a stock xbox drive (from any xbox) you wont need a new GT, if its not originally an xbox drive you will need a new GT

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: MyS2006 on February 05, 2005, 12:33:00 AM

okay i found a segate that i had in my box stock hdd when i upgraded my HDD so if i install that on his box then his current gamertag should be fine?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 05, 2005, 04:00:00 AM

QUOTE(MyS2006 @ Feb 5 2005, 05:32 PM)

okay i found a segate that i had in my box stock hdd when i upgraded my HDD so if i install that on his box then his current gamertag should be fine?

yepp

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: chuckalicious on February 07, 2005, 03:01:00 AM

Just to update this. I signed up to Live at the weekend, with a modded box (with a blocking bios) and a new HDD. I have not yet been banned.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: CGMneon on February 07, 2005, 08:34:00 PM

Hi all. I've been away from Live for about three months now and I just wanted to summarize what I think I've read here before I just jump back on and get banned.

I joined Xbox Live in July 2004. I bought a second Xbox (v1.6) just to do it because my Xecutor1 chip could not be turned off. Then I upgraded both my Xboxes to have SmartXX modchips because this new chip could be turned off and the Xbox could play on Live. I then put my gamertag on my original Xbox (v1.0) and gave away the second Xbox I had purchased to my brother.

So here I am in August 2004 on Live using my v1.0 Xbox with a 160 gig hard drive. Everything is great. In September 2004 I upgraded to a new hard drive with 250 gigs of space. In October 2004 I had to pack away my Xbox, only to return to it now in early February 2005 with much confusion on the scene.

Bottom Line: Xbox probably "married" my EEPROM to my 160 gig hard drive. By upgrading hard drives in September 2004, I would definately be banned if I tried to logon to Live today with the 250 gig HD.

Correct? Thanks for any responses in advance.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: chuckalicious on February 08, 2005, 01:46:00 AM

I think that would be correct. Because the hardware has changed from the original signed kit, you'll be caught, however I can't remember when they started doing this, so you may have escaped it, but I doubt it.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 08, 2005, 04:44:00 AM

QUOTE(chuckalicious @ Feb 8 2005, 06:45 PM)

i think its all about timing. when did they start the marrige thing? i think you are a bit late, and your stuck with the old hard drive

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on February 08, 2005, 06:42:00 PM

The marriages seemed to be started circa July 2004.

You might want to try getting a new eeprom before going back online. That might be good enough.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: sniper666 on February 08, 2005, 07:04:00 PM

Thought i would post here bc its related to xbox live i have a harddrive that is banned and has evox on it, i have brought a new virgin and eeprom hdd i want to be able to just like instead of using the one hdd i want to use one for modding and the other fr xboxlive is there away to do this? also if i need to make a switch could nebody guide me to a tutorial

thanks so much in advance

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: CGMneon on February 08, 2005, 11:22:00 PM

Thanks for the replies, gang.
I ended up buying a new, factory-sealed Xbox on eBay last night with the "Buy It Now" feature for $115 (plus $20 for shipping). I did this not just to avoid messing up Live on my existing Xbox (I guess I'll just forget about that) but also to see to it that no harm is done to my Xbox Live Gamertag. My receiver has more inputs than I know what to do with so I should have no problems.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: CGMneon on February 09, 2005, 09:33:00 AM

Well, I got screwed trying to buy a new Xbox on eBay.
Despite listing the system as "new" and "factory sealed," I got an e-mail from the seller, saying "oh, yeah you don't want it. it's actually broken. I'll refund your money next month" after I Paypalled him my money.
So I'm suddenly really interested in the "get new eeprom" idea again.
eeprom.bin is what I'm looking for right? This is just software that I upload to my Xbox hard drive after removing the original eeprom? I was reading one of the tutorials on this site and that was how it appeared. I thought for sure that eeprom was something that I needed to weld to my motherboard. But I just need to buy a new eeprom from someone on this site? (Is there other means of getting a new eeprom?)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on February 09, 2005, 06:23:00 PM

QUOTE(CGMneon @ Feb 9 2005, 04:32 PM)

The usual means is to buy one from zodiiak in the b/s/t forum

eeproms are chips, but what you're actually buying is the 256 bytes of data stored in one.

When you get your money back (if) remember to report the guy.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: CGMneon on February 09, 2005, 07:11:00 PM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Feb 9 2005, 04:22 PM)

eeproms are chips, but what you're actually buying is the 256 bytes of data stored in one.

Thanks for the reply, Gumba.
I took a closer look at the tutorials section. Looks like I would have to do some soldering to put the new eeprom on the motherboard.
Soldering is something that's I'm afraid of doing. That's probably why I'll just get a new Xbox (eventually). I appreciate the tip, though.

And yes, I will report the eBay seller who screwed me.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on February 10, 2005, 12:44:00 AM

No, when you buy an "eeprom" from someone on X-S you will get a 256 byte .bin file. You flash the EEPROM on your motherboard with that .bin file using ConfigMagic or some other program.

You do not normally buy actual physical eeprom chips from people unless you buy from an ebay auction or something crazy

No soldering should be required.

Note, the EEPROM is different to the TSOP (which is a 1MB flash chip)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 14, 2005, 01:19:00 AM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Feb 10 2005, 05:43 PM)

No soldering should be required.

Note, the EEPROM is different to the TSOP (which is a 1MB flash chip)

thats right. when you buy it, you get teh file. then just ftp it to your xbox, run config magic, and flash the eeprom, and your done

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Devastator36 on February 15, 2005, 04:50:00 PM

ok you probably answered this but ive been trying to follow everything thats been said and i just wanted to clear things up when i was originally banned i still hade the original xbox hdd, i hade the xenium ice with slayers evox installed. i think someone might have signed in to XBL with the mod chip on or i accidenty screwed up to eeprom when i installed slayers. but i have since installed a new 200 gig hdd and was wondering that if i got a new eeprom, is there anything else i could or should do to insure that i dont get rebanned on XBL other then leave the Chip off?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 17, 2005, 02:43:00 AM

well id say with a new eeprom, you would be safe. i cant see why you would be banned

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: tNCecil on February 19, 2005, 12:20:00 AM

Now, i havent checked this thread in a while, but thats alright.

When did the marrage theory "take effect"? Ive been online with both my Stock and Upgraded HDDs before in the past (been on my upgraded since last october with XBL, stock was almost all before that. Old chip didnt have switch so i was stuck with my upgraded always on before that). Thats the one thing thats keeping me from agreeing 100% with this.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on February 19, 2005, 08:51:00 AM

QUOTE(tNCecil @ Feb 19 2005, 05:19 PM)

Marriages seem to have been made since July 2004 or so, the bans started circa November 9th 2004.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 22, 2005, 02:05:00 AM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Feb 20 2005, 01:50 AM)

Marriages seem to have been made since July 2004 or so, the bans started circa November 9th 2004.

i think that needs to be put in liek the first line of the first post so everyone knows

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: feet14 on February 22, 2005, 05:43:00 AM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Feb 22 2005, 08:04 AM)

i think that needs to be put in liek the first line of the first post so everyone knows

Post's can only be edited for 15 minutes after they are posted, as people abused this facility.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: adam9986 on February 22, 2005, 09:28:00 AM

Right...so after taking about 8 years out of my life to read this entire thread, I think I know what I need to do, but would like some confirmation.

History:
Bought a 1.0 Box a long time ago
Installed a Xectuer 2.3 chip also a long time ago along with a WD 40GB HD
Everything worked fine until I stayed up till midnight on Nov. 9 and tried to sign on to find out I was BANNED!
Bought a new XBox around christmas - 1.6b
Installed Xectuer 3 chip shortly thereafter
I have been playing on Live since then with no problems at all and with stock HD

Now, I am wanting to put in a bigger hard drive. From what I've read it seems all I have to do is obtain a new EEPROM (which I can get from a friend who doesn't use XBL) and after I install the new HD, flash the new EEPROM. The only thing, I read somewhere about GamerTags being "flagged". Will this affect me at all? Thanks in advnace, you guys are all awesome.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on February 22, 2005, 11:37:00 AM

QUOTE(feet14 @ Feb 22 2005, 05:42 AM)

Post's can only be edited for 15 minutes after they are posted, as people abused this facility.

that doesnt hold true for everyone

added the info to first post

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on February 22, 2005, 11:39:00 AM

QUOTE(adam9986 @ Feb 22 2005, 09:27 AM)

well if you were banned under a particualr GT then it has been flagged and result in a ban if you use any non-stock HD on Live

there are two ways around this...wait, all this is in the first post....go read that

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on February 23, 2005, 12:53:00 PM

i see some new theories being slung around about recent bannings

seems there are a few unexplained bannings with smartxx users (maybe MS is now sending spikes to the LPC to check things? dont want to contribute to paranoia, just get some discussion going)

anyway, as of this post my xbox and 250gb HD are not banned (v1.1, split TSOP)

i will be following the new data as best i can, any feedback would be appreciated

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: HL_101 on February 23, 2005, 03:14:00 PM

Isn't it posible that they do some manual checks from some kind of logs, or during live play from time to time. Maybe randomly triggerd by something (e.g. bad live feedback).
If so they could easely see if the xbox has wrong type/size of the harddrive and so on....
This could explain why some guys gets banned for "no reason" while others with the same setup dosn't.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: LooGieLV on February 23, 2005, 07:44:00 PM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Feb 23 2005, 07:52 PM)

is it possible that MS has a way of spiking the LPC now, or wouldn't that mean that they had to install something on the XBOX before? Or could it be an upgrade/patch to xbox live? I just don't see how they could simply change something on their end and have total access to parts of an XBOX that were not there during manufacturing...ie a modchip...

also, if we were working at MS and we really wanted to keep kids from getting on with modified boxes, what would we do? first (after reading the scene for weeks

) we'd scan the HD for known bad files, we'd detect modchips, and we'd detect upgraded HD's, so it's not like it's that far fetched...

is it possible that the marriage theory isn't actually marriage between the parts, but instead it's just that MS was scanning for Modchips, AND ALSO scanning HD's, and didn't actually start banning upgraded HDs till now, since, it's obviously not as important as not allowing a chipped xbox on (ie cheating/unknown quirks/exploits/able to use backup games, yatta yatta?)

just a few questions and thoughts...

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: LooGieLV on February 23, 2005, 07:57:00 PM

this may be a really stupid question, but has anyone ever tried to just install the original MS bios on a mod chip and log into live? maybe they only detect non MS bioses (along with the HD)? long shot, just trying to shed light on myself...

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 23, 2005, 09:48:00 PM

QUOTE(LooGieLV @ Feb 24 2005, 12:56 PM)

thats actually a very good idea. that will tell us if they are scannign for mod chips (well the sort that you were using anyway).

but as lordvader said, i think it would be safe to say they are keeping an eye on the forums here, and are just coming up with ways to detect modded boxes.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on February 23, 2005, 10:29:00 PM

QUOTE(LooGieLV @ Feb 24 2005, 12:56 PM)

You can use the MS bios on a modchip just fine. Lots of people do.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 23, 2005, 10:37:00 PM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Feb 24 2005, 03:28 PM)

You can use the MS bios on a modchip just fine. Lots of people do.

but do they get banned? if not, then ms cant be checking for modchips. they are looking elsewhere

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: LooGieLV on February 23, 2005, 11:05:00 PM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Feb 24 2005, 05:36 AM)

but do they get banned? if not, then ms cant be checking for modchips. they are looking elsewhere

precisely... but if i had to bet money, I'd bet that they aren't sending power to the LPC, but instead, have implemented a system where they can detect if a mod chip is on, and are detecting serial numbers (or whatever) on the HD's to verify whether it's a factory direct, or aftermarket. If you send in your box to MS and get a replacement HD, I'm sure those serial numbers (or whatever) would be in that list of factory direct HD's.

And I have a friend who even connects to Xbox live with his chip on (he's sooo dumb) and it just errors out, and he remembers, and turns it off, and gets on, no problem...it's NOT a bios that has live blocking either...just dumb luck (real dumb)(oh, and he's got a stock drive)

My guess is that this Banning system is not fool proof (maybe simply checking bioses as I stated ealier) and MS is banning 'THE BAD STUFF' (eeproms and crap) but still allowing the person to connect (ie gamertags not banned) so that the system can scan again, JUST IN CASE the system made a mistake) or the person used had a new controller or something with a flaw or bug that the MS system didn't reconize...naamean?

Maybe they've been scanning HD's the whole time, and merely didn't ban people for upgrading their HD's since it didn't really pose a threat to online gameplay, or servers or anything, but decided technology is getting so advanced that pretty soon we'll have an undetectable modchip (thus playing backups and the like on live) cause severe security issues.

Then again, maybe nobody bothered to go through the log files of the aftermarket HD's and click "BAN THIS BITCH" or whatever

w0rd

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: LooGieLV on February 23, 2005, 11:24:00 PM

This might help us...

1) has anyone who has a XBL blocking bios (therefore, has NEVER BEEN online with their modchip on) and ONLY has a STOCK HD ever been banned?

furthermore...

2) has anyone who has a XBL blocking bios (therefore, has NEVER BEEN online with their modchip on) and ONLY has an aftermarket HD ever been banned?

I'm sure some people will say they don't have the XBL blocking bios, but can PROMISE ON GOD that they've never accessed a Live feature before, but were still banned. But the only way we can be sure is if someone has ONLY had a XBL blocking bios (not upgraded to, but only had this bios) then we would know...

i guess if they locked their network cable in a safety deposit box when they weren't on Live, so little brothers and sisters never accessed live, then maybe that would stand to reason too, but barely.

The answer is probably nobody on 1) and some on 2), then we know what's really going on...

please respond if either one is you! it's important.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on February 24, 2005, 12:23:00 AM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Feb 23 2005, 10:36 PM)

but do they get banned? if not, then ms cant be checking for modchips. they are looking elsewhere

in the past, no, so this will be a definate answer to LPC scanning, someone using a retail bios on a modchip with an otherwise virgin xbox and stock HD

anyone want to try this out ^^^ the virgin part (never been on Live, no eeprom mods, homebrew code, etc) and stock HD are very important (therefore we can rule out a previous ban that hasnt kicked in or banned under previously known methods)

QUOTE

but decided technology is getting so advanced that pretty soon we'll have an undetectable modchip (thus playing backups and the like on live) cause severe security issues.

thats unlikely, MS's original system of just scanning the bios on memory was pretty foolproof for weeding out the modded boxes, a chip would have no effect on this and seriously doubt we could ever make a bios to pass their verifications, so this isnt a concern

i think the recent issues have to do simply out of retribution, more and more games are being leaked early to the internet, and MS is pissed, so they take it out on the folks on Live

or maybe they were worried about alienaing a large market share, but now that xbox sales are starting to surpass ps2 sales (not total sales obviouslky, but i think they beat them out last quarter) they are less concerned about the relatively small "modding market" so they are taking further steps to get us off their system

another possibility is with halo2s release they are seeing an increase in traffic on Live (ive noticed h2 takes longer to load an dlog in than other games) and rather than upgrade their servers to handle more customers they simply remove a few "undersirables" from the system

well im just kinda throwing out random ideas that enter my head, so ill just post this and let the discussion continue

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: LooGieLV on February 24, 2005, 12:39:00 AM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Feb 24 2005, 07:22 AM)

or maybe they were worried about alienaing a large market share, but now that xbox sales are starting to surpass ps2 sales (not total sales obviouslky, but i think they beat them out last quarter) they are less concerned about the relatively small "modding market" so they are taking further steps to get us off their system

another possibility is with halo2s release they are seeing an increase in traffic on Live (ive noticed h2 takes longer to load an dlog in than other games) and rather than upgrade their servers to handle more customers they simply remove a few "undersirables" from the system

well im just kinda throwing out random ideas that enter my head, so ill just post this and let the discussion continue

great GREAT points...i want to have your man babies...

seriously, good points man.

but let's face it, MS has never really been hard on the piracy market (alot of people run pirated OS's and MS doesn't even check keys or anything when doing updates (some service pack installs may corrupt a *hacked up* OS install, but a corporate install (with no activation req'd) doesn't cause any concern, typically) and they still provide updates and other perks, if you will...

If someone shelled out the money for an Xbox, and the money for a legit game (gotta be legit to play) AND the money for XBL, (no wonder bill gates is the richest bastard around eh?) MS probably wouldn't care, unless they were concerned about being able to cheat and do other things re: hacking servers or anything; there's no telling what the future holds, and let's face, we are ALWAYS one step ahead of the "powers that be"... MS probably thought, it's best to get rid of the problems before they arise...

and if we think that soon MS won't be doing scans of HD size even without a flagged GT, we're living in some crazy super paradise of denial...

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on February 24, 2005, 01:16:00 AM

QUOTE(LooGieLV @ Feb 24 2005, 12:38 AM)

but let's face it, MS has never really been hard on the piracy market (alot of people run pirated OS's and MS doesn't even check keys or anything when doing updates (some service pack installs may corrupt a *hacked up* OS install, but a corporate install (with no activation req'd) doesn't cause any concern, typically) and they still provide updates and other perks, if you will...

well they do ban the "public" cd keys from downloading the service packs, but thats about it, just a token gesture, but int eh case of windows i think they make the big bucks from businesses (a company buys 100 computers, each of them needs a valid cd-key) or computer retailers (when you buy a dell it comes with a valid key) all those are paid for, so the pirated windows market is relatively small compared to that

even 90% of the poeple running pirate windows own a valid cd key (maybe its for home and they are running pro) but the point MS is still getting paid for SOMETHING

as for xbox, i bet the "pirated" market is larger than for windows, also, most peopel who pirate dont own anything legit (beyond the console itself, which MS may or may not still be LOSING money on)

sop this may explain why they are cracking down heavily on xbox piracy while only taking token gestures to prevent windows piracy

plus, look at the old steps they took, moving d0 in 1.3, removing 3.3v and gnd in 1.5, even the 1.6 wasnt such a big leap, all are still fairly easily moddable

Live is more like their safeguard, you MUST own the game to get on, and they want to make sure it stays that way

ok, i kinda forgot where i was going with this, its after 1am and im tired, lol

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: refleckz on February 24, 2005, 04:30:00 AM

i was just banned yesterday.

i have v1.6 with 80gig hd x3 chip, i created my live account on a stock xbox hd. then bought a moded 80gig hd and moved my account to my moded box. played for 2 months (always with chip off) and just got banned..(this was before i knew of the marriage theory).

weird thing is i have my xbox connected to my LINKSYS router connected to my comp as well. i have norton internet secutiry corp. editio. the same day i got banned while i was trying to get on. i was getting attacks on my comp reported by NORTON INRNT SEC. of my xbox name and xbox ip # trying to attack my comp.

-----------
info as follows:
Attempted Intrusion "Welchia_ICMP_Scan" from your machine against scs.msg.yahoo.com(xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) was detected and blocked.
Intruder: REFLECKZ(xxx.xxx.x.xxx).
Risk Level: High.
Protocol: ICMP.
-----------

norton sec. site says:
Welchia_ICMP_Scan
Attack Category: Custom Backdoor
Severity: High
more here: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/attack_sigs/sigs/Welchia_ICMP_Scan.html
..but its alotta m$ shit

you can contact me on aim @ refleckz05 / yahoo @ refleckz_05

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: LooGieLV on February 24, 2005, 01:27:00 PM

does anyone know if someone has ever been banned by (obviously never connecting with the chip on) and switching from one stock HDD to another Stock HDD. These HDDs would have to be pretty new, so as to test the idea that MS is a) marrying parts before they ship or b) that MS is documenting known good serial numbers of HDDs before they ship.

If the above case is true, then basically Marriage theory is a law.
If not, then MS is merely scanning for stock HD's, but not aggressively, merely on flagged GT's and the like

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lazysob on February 24, 2005, 02:11:00 PM

My friend has a 1.6 xbox and he just got banned, I have a 1.0 xbox with an 80gb hd and the stock hd. Could I take my eeprom and the stock hd and put it in his xbox and xblive would work again?

I tried it with configmagic and no go. I unlocked the stock hd, backed up my eeprom.bin and put the hd in my friends xbox. Loaded up configmagic, put the new eeprom.bin in data folder of config magic then load eeprom from bin, then update eeprom and locked the drive. Xbox didn't boot up, did I do something wrong?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 24, 2005, 11:59:00 PM

QUOTE(LooGieLV @ Feb 24 2005, 12:43 PM)

is it possible that the marriage theory isn't actually marriage between the parts, but instead it's just that MS was scanning for Modchips, AND ALSO scanning HD's, and didn't actually start banning upgraded HDs till now, since, it's obviously not as important as not allowing a chipped xbox on (ie cheating/unknown quirks/exploits/able to use backup games, yatta yatta?)

i see your point, but i believ your wrong. if you uypgrade your hdd, then sign up for xbl, your all right.l but if you chnage it after, you get banned. so tehy have to be checking somethiung in the hdd. either model number or serial number.
they cant be checkign teh size, because if tehy were, everyone with an upgraded hdd would be banned already

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Nutdotnet on February 25, 2005, 12:32:00 AM

Ok, just so I'm correct in my thinking.

If I'm already banned.

1) Get a new hard drive
2) Get a new Eeprom
3) Get a new GamerTag

4) Install new EEPROM
5) Install new HD (or is this the other way around? First HD then EEPROM)
6) Use new Gamertag

Correct? I'd rather do this then buy a new XBox just to play Halo2 and MVP 2005.

Thanks!

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 25, 2005, 12:40:00 AM

QUOTE(Nutdotnet @ Feb 25 2005, 05:31 PM)

1) Get a new hard drive
2) Get a new Eeprom
3) Get a new GamerTag

4) Install new EEPROM
5) Install new HD (or is this the other way around? First HD then EEPROM)
6) Use new Gamertag

well teh way i understand it, you wont need a new gt if you get a new eeprom and hdd. and it doesnt matter which way around you install teh hdd and eeprom, as long as you do both before you go on live

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: LooGieLV on February 25, 2005, 01:27:00 AM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Feb 25 2005, 07:39 AM)

actually, from what i understand, you won't need a new GT if you get a new STOCK hdd, if you get a new upgaded HD, you need a new GT...

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: LooGieLV on February 25, 2005, 01:31:00 AM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Feb 25 2005, 06:58 AM)

well, the only way we can know is to have someone sign onto live with either a virgin upgraded HDD, or a stock HDD, and then (after many hours of Halo 2:)) switch to another STOCK (and only stock) HDD, and if they get banned, it's marriage, if not, it's upgraded HDD's. But again, I stress that i believe MS is not even checking HDD's until the GT is flagged as troublesome, maybe a modified xbox error, or negative feedback or anything, then they scan the HDD.

But I digress... who wants to switch to a stock HD just to get banned? kinda a lose lose....LOSE situation...naaamean?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on February 26, 2005, 05:14:00 AM

QUOTE(LooGieLV @ Feb 24 2005, 04:23 PM)

You can still go on live with a XBL blocking bios. The problem is most of them don't block the MS Dashboard from connecting to live. So you can get banned for doing a live update or in the dashboard when running off a hacked bios. This is the reason why the other step is "and make it so you can't run the MS dashboard from your hacked dashboard."

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on February 26, 2005, 05:24:00 AM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Feb 25 2005, 05:39 PM)

You're wrong there..

If you want to use a non-stock drive then you need to use a new GT if you've been banned (recently, if you were banned 3 years ago, that doesn't matter

)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on February 26, 2005, 05:26:00 AM

QUOTE(LooGieLV @ Feb 25 2005, 06:30 PM)

We *know* they'll get banned for swapping HDs.

Marriage Theory is over 3 months old now, and its pretty much rock solid (hasn't changed in two months or so)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 26, 2005, 05:41:00 AM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Feb 26 2005, 10:25 PM)

We *know* they'll get banned for swapping HDs.

Marriage Theory is over 3 months old now, and its pretty much rock solid (hasn't changed in two months or so)

well that was to test whether they are checking for UPGRADED drives, and not swapped normal ones.

coz think about it. your virgin xbox stuff up one day,a nd you send it back. tehy swap teh hdd,a nd giev it back to you. so by rights, you shoudl now get banned. but you havent done anything wrong....

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: feet14 on February 26, 2005, 07:32:00 AM

QUOTE(LooGieLV @ Feb 25 2005, 07:30 AM)

It's not true that HD's are checked only if the GT is flagged. I had a clean GT when I got banned for upgraded HD, and I hadn't connected with the chip on.

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02)

coz think about it. your virgin xbox stuff up one day,a nd you send it back. tehy swap teh hdd,a nd giev it back to you. so by rights, you shoudl now get banned. but you havent done anything wrong....

So M$ would be able create this elaborate banning system but wouldn't be able to tie it in with the system used in their repair centres?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Cr8Zy M0DdEr on February 26, 2005, 09:23:00 AM

but dont you NOT get banned if you sign up for a new account AFTER the hard drive swap???

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: feet14 on February 26, 2005, 10:06:00 AM

QUOTE(Cr8Zy M0DdEr @ Feb 26 2005, 03:22 PM)

but dont you NOT get banned if you sign up for a new account AFTER the hard drive swap???

This is a different point to the one I was referring to. LooGieLV was stating that upgraded HD's don't get detected via marriage theory unless the GT is already flagged. This is incorrect as my HD upgrade was detected when I had a clean GT.

Signing up for a new GT prevents M$ checking your HD size/type when you login.
You still need a new EEPROM as well.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Oldmanjoe on February 26, 2005, 11:31:00 PM

Ok, here's my story. I've had my stock hard drive on Live before (Before I installed my chip), I eventually modded my box in October of 2003. I kept my hard drive in for I don't know how long. Probably 6 months or so. I put in a 120GB Seagate hard drive and used it (locked with modchip off) on Live a few times. I remember getting banned more than a few times, I would just buy a new eeprom and be on my way. Several different gamertags too. I also remember playing Live in the summer a few times. Then I needed a bigger hard drive, so I switched to this 250GB Maxtor on August 31st, 2004. I don't think I used Live because I soon found out that this drive wasn't lockable. I still have this unlockable drive in here and I have the Xecuter 4983 bios. I just purchased MVP Baseball 2005 and I wanted to play online so bad, but I obviously can't because I have a hard drive that cannot be locked. I bought a stock hard drive off the BST. So I just said fuck it and decided to go on Live with my chip on and play, I'd just buy a new eeprom and switch the hard drive at the same time once they ban me in a few days anyway. I switched to a non-Live blocking bios and tried to sign in. But it gave me the usual error, so I guess my eeprom (and hard drive) were already banned. So, I have 2 eeproms just to be safe and I figured I will replace the hard drive (strictly for Live), the eeprom and register a new gamertag at the same time. This should work, right?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: mrjkwik on February 27, 2005, 12:57:00 AM

banned in november.

new hdd, new gamertag, new eeprom. back on for now.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on February 27, 2005, 08:07:00 AM

QUOTE(Cr8Zy M0DdEr @ Feb 27 2005, 02:22 AM)

but dont you NOT get banned if you sign up for a new account AFTER the hard drive swap???

Its not "a new account", its "the first time you connect to xbox live with that xbox"

If you just sign up for a new account, and you've already connected to XBL with that box, then you'll still get banned.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on February 28, 2005, 01:22:00 AM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Feb 28 2005, 01:06 AM)

i think what your trying to say is that what gamertag you use to connect to xbl doesnt matter. so if you conenct to xbl, then sold the box to someone else, they upgraded the hdd, and then went on xbl, they would get banned

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on February 28, 2005, 10:53:00 AM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Feb 28 2005, 06:21 PM)

Yes,

Gamertags only matter in relation to flagged gamertags getting unbanned xboxes banned because of their upgraded HDs.

You can have a flagged gameratag which works fine on your stock xbox, then take it around to a friends xbox, which is totally unbanned because he's been careful, unlike you, and then load your gamertag on his box and connect... and then get his box banned to.

I'm sure he won't be amused

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 01, 2005, 04:13:00 AM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Mar 1 2005, 03:52 AM)

ok, but that raises a good point. if they can detect an upgraded hdd, that hasnt gone on live with any other hdd, why dont they ban that xbox any way? why do they need a flagged gt to access live on it to ban it? why dont they check all xbox's?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: feet14 on March 01, 2005, 08:13:00 AM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Mar 1 2005, 10:12 AM)

It would mean longer sign-in times for everyone using live, rather than just for those with flagged GTs.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: adam9986 on March 01, 2005, 11:50:00 AM

What is BST and how would I go about buying an EEPROM from them?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 02, 2005, 02:23:00 AM

QUOTE(adam9986 @ Mar 2 2005, 04:49 AM)

What is BST and how would I go about buying an EEPROM from them?

The Buy/Sell/Trade forum. where you can buy and sell stuff from fellow xbox-sceners

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: rob321 on March 02, 2005, 08:19:00 AM

I was banned from live because i had a larger hard drive, I got another eeprom and I loaded that so now all I need to do is get another hard drive and a new gamer tag and I should be fine? Does it matter that i already loaded the new eeprom before I add the new hard drive? thanks

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: feet14 on March 02, 2005, 08:27:00 AM

QUOTE(adam9986 @ Mar 1 2005, 05:49 PM)

What is BST and how would I go about buying an EEPROM from them?

They Buy/Sell area on these forums:
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showforum=12

I have bought EEPROMs from Zodiiak and Benbon, whom I found to be good sellers.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 03, 2005, 02:27:00 AM

QUOTE(rob321 @ Mar 3 2005, 01:18 AM)

no, it doesnt matter at all in which order you do it. as long as you get it all done before you get back on live

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: K Rock XP on March 03, 2005, 08:00:00 AM

I got a question for you guys. Actually 2. First one is I have a unmodded box that has my old GT and my mod box has a new one that I created when I got it online. Can I put my old GT on a memory card and toss it over or would it be safer to do the account recovery method? And secondly, I got my box online just 2 days ago and am running an old bios. I have the new bios file (to prevent the sign ons to XBL) but don't know if my chip is 256k cache, 512k cache, or 1 MB of $$$. I know I have an Aladdin chip. Any one know of a way to get that info???

K Rock XP
www.squadxp.com

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on March 03, 2005, 04:16:00 PM

QUOTE(K Rock XP @ Mar 4 2005, 12:59 AM)

Alladins are 256k chips I think.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: K Rock XP on March 03, 2005, 10:29:00 PM

Thanks man. Anyone else got an iidea or a confirmation?

K Rock XP

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: K Rock XP on March 04, 2005, 12:52:00 AM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Mar 3 2005, 06:15 PM)

Alladins are 256k chips I think.

256K is it. i did some research. Any idea on how to install a bios update using unleash X? I'm gonna post this in the unleash X Section too, i think it would be appropriate there.

Thanks Gumba!

K Rock XP

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 04, 2005, 06:10:00 AM

QUOTE(K Rock XP @ Mar 4 2005, 05:51 PM)

yes, 256kb it is. i think the only way to flash em is via evox. thats how i flash my alladin

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: K Rock XP on March 04, 2005, 10:49:00 PM

Yeah thats what i thought. Evox. But thought maybe could be done a different way. Heres a good site tells u everything about modchips. Cache etc. Found it here in this site.

http://www.xbox-scene.com/modchips3b_table.htm

K Rock XP

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 04, 2005, 11:09:00 PM

QUOTE(K Rock XP @ Mar 5 2005, 03:48 PM)

yer i forgot about that page. i had to ask around about flashign it, and teh only answer i got was to use evox, so thats all i can say to you.
good luck with it. just remember that it needs two more lines added to teh evox confog file.

i dont know exactly what they are, someone else around here will be able to point you in the right direction

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: henrybill on March 06, 2005, 08:12:00 AM

I have a question. If I backed up my eeprom before i got banned, and then after a ban i upgraded my hard drive, got new gt, and flashed my old eeprom, would i get banned?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: feet14 on March 06, 2005, 10:46:00 AM

QUOTE(henrybill @ Mar 6 2005, 02:11 PM)

I have a question. If I backed up my eeprom before i got banned, and then after a ban i upgraded my hard drive, got new gt, and flashed my old eeprom, would i get banned?

You wouldn't be able to connect as M$ checks the EEPROM when you sign-in. That's how they enforce bans. I don't think you're new HD would get banned as you wouldn't get to that stage of sign-in. Someone correct me if they know otherwise.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: K Rock XP on March 06, 2005, 07:15:00 PM

yup. New HDD and new Eeprom with a unlfagged GT is the only way to go. Plain and simple.

K Rock XP

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: K Rock XP on March 06, 2005, 07:15:00 PM

yup. New HDD and new Eeprom with a unlfagged GT is the only way to go. Plain and simple.

K Rock XP

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: OUTLAWuk on March 06, 2005, 07:30:00 PM

HI

If the marriage theory is correct, my eeprom is married to my harddrive, cus im using xbox live. And I want to upgrade my harddrive, so this means i need a new eeprom to connect to xboxlive with out getting a ban, I think

my current setup is, executer 2.6 lite, flashed with bios m8 plus 16
and slayers 2.6 autoinstaller

how do I reflash a eeprom???
is it just a case of replacing the eeprom.bin folder with a un married eeprom.bin
from another xbox HD,

cheers

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: K Rock XP on March 06, 2005, 07:39:00 PM

QUOTE(OUTLAWuk @ Mar 6 2005, 09:29 PM)

Like i said above you need. "New HDD and new Eeprom with a unlfagged GT is the only way to go. Plain and simple." To install the eeprom use config magic. You can find it in the usual places. if i'm not mistaken upgrade the HDD first then the EEPROM. heres some info on where to get a VIRGIN (NEVER BEFORE USED ON XBOX LIVE EEPROM) I bought from him. great guy.

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=143336
G Luck!

K Rock XP
www.squadxp.com

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: K Rock XP on March 06, 2005, 07:33:00 PM

VIRGIN

. :-D

K Rock XP
www.squadxp.com

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: henrybill on March 06, 2005, 08:33:00 PM

QUOTE(henrybill @ Mar 6 2005, 09:11 AM)

If I backed up my eeprom before i got banned, and then after a ban i upgraded my hard drive, got new gt, and flashed my old eeprom, would i get banned?

Well the reason i thought this might work is because when i try to sign on with a banned eeprom it doent even get to attempt to connect because the eeprom says that i am banned. If i flashed the eeprom that i backed up before i was banned it would say that i am not banned. The question is, is MS keeping track if two of the same eeproms have been on with different xboxs (new hd and gt)? I have read that people have gone on xbl with the same eeprom at the same timme, and not got banned.

its all very confusing

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 07, 2005, 03:55:00 AM

QUOTE(henrybill @ Mar 7 2005, 01:32 PM)

its all very confusing

they keep track of both the eeprom and the s/n of the hdd

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: karter74 on March 07, 2005, 05:20:00 PM

somebody set me straight here:
I have an xbox that i used to play XBL on like 1 month ago. Since then I have put an X3 chip in and a 250gb HD. This means that I will need to get a new EEPROM if I don't want to get banned? I have yet to sign in to XBL with my modded box in fear of this.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ximian on March 07, 2005, 06:38:00 PM

QUOTE(karter74 @ Mar 8 2005, 10:19 AM)

Do a search. This has been VERY well documented in NUMEROUS threads.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: karter74 on March 07, 2005, 09:56:00 PM

a simple yes or no answer would have sufficed

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: K Rock XP on March 07, 2005, 10:33:00 PM

The answer is yes. and that previous guys has been posting everywhere with the same sh*t. that responce is up there with saying www.google.com. Don't be a jerk cause at one point or another you needed help and asked a question that was probably already answered. As for the questions. You need a VIRGIN HDD VIRGIN EEPROM and a unflagged GamerTag. you have 2 out of 3 (the gt and HDD) you can buy a eeprom of this guy.

http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=143336

he's honest and sends instructions too. Good luck post if you run into trouble.

K Rock XP
www.squadxp.com

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 08, 2005, 03:26:00 AM

QUOTE(ximian @ Mar 8 2005, 11:37 AM)

Do a search. This has been VERY well documented in NUMEROUS threads.

i h8 ppl who do this. it would have been easier to just help him out.
K Rock XP is right, you need a new eeprom, so you dont get banned

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: feet14 on March 08, 2005, 12:36:00 PM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Mar 8 2005, 09:25 AM)

i h8 ppl who do this. it would have been easier to just help him out.
K Rock XP is right, you need a new eeprom, so you dont get banned

Sometimes it is justified to ask people to search, other times it is not. I expect people to do some reading topics on the first page and preferably the excellent tutorials on the XS home page. If someone shows they have done this but are stuck on a particular step, then they are likely to get a better response.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on March 08, 2005, 12:37:00 PM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Mar 8 2005, 03:25 AM)

i h8 ppl who do this. it would have been easier to just help him out.
K Rock XP is right, you need a new eeprom, so you dont get banned

ordinarily i might agree with you, but his question was answered in THIS VERY THREAD, in my initial post in fact, if he had bothred to read even 1 post in the thread he was replying to he would have had his answer

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ximian on March 08, 2005, 12:48:00 PM

QUOTE(K Rock XP @ Mar 8 2005, 03:39 PM)

It's difficult to read a site you value and look for posts that are actually valuable when you have a shitload of people popping in asking some question that is pretty much painted everywhere or hijacking a thread just because they're lazy/stoned/whatever.

I use this site, you use this site, we should be expected to police it appropriately.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: K Rock XP on March 08, 2005, 12:59:00 PM

you guys have valid points but the poor guy had a simple question. plus if it came from u vets then i would respect it. but the guy being a jerk. was a noob himself. so hes not one to talk. the time wasted with his smart a$$ responce he could of answered his question. but i agree the search function on this site is great and should always be used first. like i always say ur never the first guy with the problem.

K Rock XP

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 09, 2005, 05:03:00 AM

i wish we could edit outside of 15mins

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: wtaag on March 10, 2005, 03:21:00 PM

Hopefully I wont get roasted for this question. I have a old 120gb hdd that was banned about 4 months ago. I'm picking up a new xbox and I plan on creating a new Live account. Is there a way I can change the hdd serial number on this banned hard drive so that I can use it on Live? I'm going to all serial ata in my desktop and I have no other use for this banned hdd. Any ideas? Thanks.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: K Rock XP on March 10, 2005, 03:26:00 PM

lol, i don't think it's possible cause i've read a lot of hours worth of these forums since joining. And never ran across this type of idea. but some of the vets might know.....lol roasted.

K Rock XP

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: wtaag on March 10, 2005, 03:27:00 PM

Yeah... I havent been around here for a while. And rummaging through pages of threads can get tiring. Invision needs to better the searching capabilities to specify the page and not just the thread when searching on topics like this. O-well... heres to hoping.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on March 10, 2005, 07:02:00 PM

QUOTE(wtaag @ Mar 11 2005, 08:20 AM)

No. (at least no one currently knows how)

So, sell the 120GB drive to someone else? (not for xbox usage, that'd be unethical)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: K Rock XP on March 10, 2005, 07:32:00 PM

when on XBL with a mod box. Does it matter if anyhting is on your E:/ besides the stock stuff???Cause i notice most program toos crap on the E:

K Rock XP

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 12, 2005, 04:14:00 AM

QUOTE(K Rock XP @ Mar 11 2005, 12:31 PM)

when on XBL with a mod box. Does it matter if anyhting is on your E:/ besides the stock stuff???Cause i notice most program toos crap on the E:

K Rock XP

no, it doesnt matter. they dont do hdd scans (that we are aware of)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Tain on March 13, 2005, 12:52:00 PM

Well, I'm in an odd situation.

I have two Xbox Live keys, a 2-month and a year.

I also have a 'flaky' 120 gig HD I can use. It might die in a week for all I know. It might be fine.

The plan is to use that HD with the 2 month key. If it dies, can I use a different HD assuming I make a new gamertag with a new key?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 14, 2005, 01:41:00 AM

QUOTE(Tain @ Mar 14 2005, 05:51 AM)

you would need a new eeprom if the hdd dies, to keep playing on xbox live

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: taylort on March 14, 2005, 09:45:00 PM

I got a question..

Lets say you got banned from XBL while using a stock hdd. Would you need another stock hdd and an eeprom to get unbanned or just an eeprom?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: workmane on March 15, 2005, 07:04:00 AM

Hi-

Here is my situation, I am wondering if I will be able to use live without getting banned.

As of now, I have no gamertag and have a modded box with an X2 and a somewhat older bios of evox running.

So I should be able to sign up for live get a gamertag and be fine since this would be a "virgin" drive for that gamertag, correct?

Here is where it gets tricky.

I was a beta tester for live and had a one year subscription from the launch of live until it expired. During that time, I modded my xbox. After that subscription ran out, I have not renewed and not played on live.

If I sign up now, I need to get a whole new gamertag, will I be ok?

Thanks

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: STICKY_BUD on March 15, 2005, 08:27:00 AM

you should be good to go workmane

i upgraded my hd about 10 months ago AFTER signing up for live and i have never been banned - they did not start the marriages until last summer

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on March 15, 2005, 06:02:00 PM

QUOTE(taylort @ Mar 15 2005, 02:44 PM)

I got a question..

Lets say you got banned from XBL while using a stock hdd. Would you need another stock hdd and an eeprom to get unbanned or just an eeprom?

You will need another stock hdd and eeprom.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 16, 2005, 01:37:00 AM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Mar 16 2005, 11:01 AM)

You will need another stock hdd and eeprom.

it doesnt need to be a stock drive, any will do

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on March 16, 2005, 06:54:00 PM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Mar 16 2005, 06:36 PM)

it doesnt need to be a stock drive, any will do

True, if you also then want to then get a new gamertag,

but that wasn't the question

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 17, 2005, 01:47:00 AM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Mar 17 2005, 11:53 AM)

True, if you also then want to then get a new gamertag,

but that wasn't the question

yer tru, just letting him know what he can do

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: h00ligan on March 18, 2005, 06:21:00 PM

this is so strange.

ok setup

xbox 1.0
xecuter lite 2.6 - i have always used the bioses that auto block live connection.
80 gig hard drive.

No, i KNOW i modded my xbox before i went on live and i am "pretty sure" that i had also upgraded the HDD - tho not positive.

I haven't signed on to live in maybe 2-3months. Now when i go to connect with the modchip disabled, it tells me that there was an error connecting - is this what you guys see when you have the modchip in there?

in the troubleshooter it tells me that my xbox's hardware or software has been modified...

additionally since failing to get on live, i cannot use xbmc, it freezes each time it loads - perhaps a coincidence, but i used it JUST before it failed live.

What the hell do i do now? I have another hard drive.. advice? I also have the stock hard drive... which i guess i will try next on the marriage theory.

What i do NOT want to happen is that i install the new hdd, and then find out that gets banned too.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: h00ligan on March 18, 2005, 09:35:00 PM

also 2 other preobably stupid questions

if i get the new ee prom and put in anther hdd, do i flash the eeprom first or setup the hd first, or does it not matter...

also has it been established if we will need a new gamertag or not? My subscript is about to run out anyway.. so i dont' mind so much.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 18, 2005, 11:04:00 PM

QUOTE(h00ligan @ Mar 19 2005, 02:34 PM)

also 2 other preobably stupid questions

if i get the new ee prom and put in anther hdd, do i flash the eeprom first or setup the hd first, or does it not matter...
also has it been established if we will need a new gamertag or not? My subscript is about to run out anyway.. so i dont' mind so much.

well if you used your brain you would quite easily see that it doesnt matter what order you do it in.

and yes, because of what you have said, i would say you would need a new GT, as the one that you currently will be flagged

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: feet14 on March 19, 2005, 05:48:00 AM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Mar 19 2005, 05:03 AM)

Calm down a bit. When you're talking about combos of EEPROMs, HDs, GamerTags plus time pressure of having a subscription run out it's ok to post rather than search.

My advice to everyone is to switch your auto-renewal status to monthly directly when you've created the new account, likewise for existing ones. You could lose only £5 rather than £40 if you don't want to continue and if you do then you get a pro-rata rebate of the £5. (Or equivalent US$)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 19, 2005, 06:00:00 AM

i was just saying thats its blatentley obvious that both have to be done before you go back on live, and thus it doesnt make a sjit of difference in what order you do it

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: feet14 on March 19, 2005, 06:11:00 AM

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: h00ligan on March 19, 2005, 06:37:00 PM

well thanks for the answers..

ferrari take a fucking valium.

i asked even though i felt it didn't matter, as i dont' want to spend MORE money and there are obviously people with MORE knowledge than I have about this.

Thanks all the same for the answers - and the defense.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 21, 2005, 04:03:00 AM

QUOTE(h00ligan @ Mar 20 2005, 11:36 AM)

well thanks for the answers..

ferrari take a fucking valium.
i asked even though i felt it didn't matter, as i dont' want to spend MORE money and there are obviously people with MORE knowledge than I have about this.

Thanks all the same for the answers - and the defense.

im just saying, OBVIOSULY, both have to be done before you go on live, and this OBVIOUSLY it doesnt matter in which order you do it.

common sense

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on March 21, 2005, 10:24:00 PM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Mar 21 2005, 09:02 PM)

im just saying, OBVIOSULY, both have to be done before you go on live, and this OBVIOUSLY it doesnt matter in which order you do it.

common sense

Its not obvious to most people, nor is it common sense.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 23, 2005, 02:39:00 AM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Mar 22 2005, 03:23 PM)

Its not obvious to most people, nor is it common sense.

i give up

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: radio5 on March 30, 2005, 06:31:00 PM

Ok, so let me get this straight:

Old Stock hard drive, never logged into Xbox Live

+

Old Gamer Tag

+

New eeprom

=

Xbox Live?

I've got a buddies original hard drive from when I ugraded his xbox to a 250 gb. He was never able to figure out how to set up his nework to get on xbox live so his original hard drive should be a virgin.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on March 31, 2005, 01:44:00 AM

QUOTE(radio5 @ Mar 31 2005, 11:30 AM)

I've got a buddies original hard drive from when I ugraded his xbox to a 250 gb. He was never able to figure out how to set up his nework to get on xbox live so his original hard drive should be a virgin.

sounds like it should work.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Unitedgk99 on March 31, 2005, 09:46:00 AM

ok i've signed on to live before with my current xbox. But i gave it to a friend yesterday to get it modded. He says hes installing a switch but never said if he was flashing the eeprom when the new 200gb hard drive is installed. If he doesent flash the eeprom will i be banned? and... i have a current gamertag which i've already payed for the year subscription can i change it in any way to let me get onto live by making a different name or will i have to pay another 60 dollars for a new subscription?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on March 31, 2005, 07:13:00 PM

if he installs a switch to switch hds, then you could use the old hd,

otherwise you will need a new eeprom to use the new hd without getting banned and your tag flagged.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Lord Magnus on March 31, 2005, 11:03:00 PM

QUOTE(radio5 @ Mar 31 2005, 01:30 AM)

Ok, so let me get this straight:

Old Stock hard drive, never logged into Xbox Live
+
Old Gamer Tag
+
New eeprom
=
Xbox Live?

Yeap.. you got it straight.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: radio5 on April 01, 2005, 06:22:00 PM

My gamertag is already flagged. Will this be a problem? Also, you are saying that if I want to use my 250 gb hard drive that I got banned with on November 8th, I can as long as I get a new eeprom?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: dougMod on April 03, 2005, 01:07:00 AM

just did an HD upgrade and TSOP flash went on live and boom modified xbox

banned

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on April 03, 2005, 11:01:00 PM

QUOTE(radio5 @ Apr 2 2005, 11:21 AM)

My gamertag is already flagged. Will this be a problem? Also, you are saying that if I want to use my 250 gb hard drive that I got banned with on November 8th, I can as long as I get a new eeprom?

No, you're misunderstanding.

You can only use a flagged tag with a stock drive (ie one which came with an xbox)

You can not use a banned hd on live... period.

If you want to use a banned HD on your xbox, you have to still use a different hd on live.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Nawty1 on April 04, 2005, 12:16:00 AM

Ok so i was just recently banned. I had not played my modded xbox online since Halo2 came out. When I originally started live i had a 160GB then I upgraded to a 250GB Played on live a few times then Halo2 came out. I use a Xenium Mod chip. I have another xbox So I don't care this one has been banned but i would like to fiqure out how to get it back. I obviously want to keep my hard drive installed. Maybe I'll get a new case for the hdd switching but for now i have a few eeproms to waste so i'll find out if I can just use a new eeprom. I know your saying i can't. But Since I switched the hard drives does that mean both hdd keys will be banned or just the one i was useing when i was banned?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Nawty1 on April 04, 2005, 12:18:00 AM

And one other thing. If I created a new gamertag the day before I was banned will both of my gamertags be flagged?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: STICKY_BUD on April 04, 2005, 12:22:00 AM

QUOTE(Nawty1 @ Apr 3 2005, 10:15 PM)

the 160gb hd is married to the eeprom you currently have in the xbox, that is why the marriage was broken and you got banned. neither hd will ever be capable of going back on xbl. if you have a v1.0 eeprom or two to waste, i would appreciate if you would send to me since i have just saved you from wasting the rest of your evening.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Metrop on April 04, 2005, 07:37:00 AM

I have an older non-modded xbox that I used to go on live before this past december when I got a new xbox that I modded. I used to go on live with my new xbox simply by disabling my modchip. But now there's a problem with my video, it seems as if everything is black and white and scrolls like mad (but everything else works fine). And to fix the problem I'm thinking about taking the hard drive from my old xbox and swapping it for the hard drive in my new xbox. Would I still be able to go on live?

Btw, both hard drives are MS stock hard drives...

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on April 05, 2005, 01:50:00 AM

QUOTE(STICKY_BUD @ Apr 4 2005, 04:21 PM)

Actually, i think the original HD might be okay, its the banned HD which can't be used. But you do need a new eeprom as the eeprom is banned too.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on April 14, 2005, 04:15:00 AM

QUOTE(Lord Magnus @ Jan 26 2005, 11:31 PM)

I like the new updates on this. Keep up the good work.

Filtering that LONG-ASS thread is something that needed to be done.

my kudos to you lordvader129

yer thats right. i wish at times they would let us mere mortals edit posts after the 15min threshold....

but it sure is good that this can be updated with lots of new and good info for the peeps

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: feet14 on April 16, 2005, 11:43:00 AM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Apr 5 2005, 06:49 AM)

Actually, i think the original HD might be okay, its the banned HD which can't be used. But you do need a new eeprom as the eeprom is banned too.

The "original" hd IS OK.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: 98SuperSport on April 18, 2005, 11:48:00 AM

Just need some help/confirmation guys, thanks.
So i bought an xbox last month, brand new. I have been playing halo 2 on live since day one. I have an xecuter 3 arriving tomorrow, i also have a brand new 250g HD i plan(ned) on throwing in when i install the mod.
So here's the question: According to "Marriage Theory," If i install the mod and the new HD, am I going to need to flash a new eeprom to my mobo in order to keep from getting banned? i figured yes? Thanks in advance guys.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: VegasRobb on April 21, 2005, 07:53:00 AM

QUOTE(98SuperSport @ Apr 18 2005, 09:47 AM)

Anyone have an answer for this?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on April 22, 2005, 08:15:00 AM

QUOTE(VegasRobb @ Apr 21 2005, 11:52 PM)

Anyone have an answer for this?

yes, i do. 98SuperSport, you are very right. in order to play live with your new hard drive, and NOT getting banned, then you will need a new eeprom. to get one, best place is to head on over to the bst forum to get one.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: BIZKeT on April 25, 2005, 02:58:00 PM

I browsed through the thread and didn't see this possability.

I had 2 Xbox's. One was the green collectors (my first Xbox) and the other was an older box that I got to try and put linux on. I signed up my Live account on the green xbox. I think modded the old xbox with th X-Ecuter 2.3B LITE

chip and a 160 gig hd. I never signed onto Live using the modded box, just with the green Xbox.

My green Xbox was recently stolen. Should I be able to log into Live using my modded Xbox? I assume I would need to turn off the mod chip.

Thanks for your help guys,
BIZKeT

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on April 25, 2005, 11:24:00 PM

QUOTE(BIZKeT @ Apr 25 2005, 01:57 PM)

chip and a 160 gig hd. I never signed onto Live using the modded box, just with the green Xbox.

My green Xbox was recently stolen. Should I be able to log into Live using my modded Xbox? I assume I would need to turn off the mod chip.

Thanks for your help guys,
BIZKeT

with modchip off you should have no problem using that xbox on Live, just make sure you do not upgrade or downgrade the HD after signing on for the first time

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on April 26, 2005, 05:23:00 AM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Apr 26 2005, 03:23 PM)

with modchip off you should have no problem using that xbox on Live, just make sure you do not upgrade or downgrade the HD after signing on for the first time

'the lord' is allways right. you need to have the modchip disabled becasue that one thing M$ checks for, and youll get banned asap if you go on live with the chip on. also, generally most people have a different dashboard that will load up when the chip is enabled.

eg for me, when the chip is on, and i boot up, it goes to UnleashX
with the chip off, it goes to the ms dash

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: BadMan-X on April 29, 2005, 12:37:00 PM

Quick Question.

Its been awhile sense I have gone onto live. I have no idea how long its been. Is there any way I can find out when I was last on live?

I wanna put a new hard drive in my modded box. But. From what I understand. If I havent been on sense July of 2004. then I should be fine to switch my hdd then go back on live?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Lord Magnus on April 29, 2005, 12:45:00 PM

QUOTE(BadMan-X @ Apr 29 2005, 06:36 PM)

That's right mate, if you havent been on since the date the update came out, wich is around mid June/July.

Unfortunately, there is no way to tell when you xbox has been on Live for the last time. But you can check what dashboard version you have. IF it doesn't have the update. then you're safe. Just remember to chek on that with your cat-5 cable unhooked.

Good luck.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: BadMan-X on April 29, 2005, 02:50:00 PM

QUOTE(Lord Magnus @ Apr 29 2005, 12:44 PM)

Any Idea how I can find out the dashboard version?
I went into the system info after booting into the retail kernal and all I see is

K with a buch of numbers. and
D with a bunch of numbers.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on April 29, 2005, 10:06:00 PM

QUOTE(BadMan-X @ Apr 30 2005, 06:49 AM)

Any Idea how I can find out the dashboard version?
I went into the system info after booting into the retail kernal and all I see is

K with a buch of numbers. and
D with a bunch of numbers.

the D one is the one that we want

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: SICKdimension on April 30, 2005, 02:05:00 AM

So as of now, dual hard drives are not a requirement, correct? If I have a split TSOP with a new eeprom and new hard drive and the latest X2 bios, then I should be safe on live? I don't use live, but I need to be sure for a client. Thanks.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on April 30, 2005, 04:28:00 AM

QUOTE(SICKdimension @ Apr 30 2005, 06:04 PM)

sounds like you will be fine

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: BadMan-X on April 30, 2005, 09:41:00 AM

D:100596001

Is this before or after the update?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on April 30, 2005, 03:01:00 PM

QUOTE(BadMan-X @ Apr 30 2005, 08:40 AM)

D:100596001

Is this before or after the update?

thats the latest MS dash

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: BadMan-X on April 30, 2005, 08:07:00 PM

So my options now are. I might as well play live untill I get a hard drive.

After I get my hard drive put in. FLash the eeprom and I should be good to go?

Will I have to cancel my current live subscription? And get a new one?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on April 30, 2005, 11:40:00 PM

QUOTE(BadMan-X @ Apr 30 2005, 07:06 PM)

no, you will be fine as long as you repalce the eeprom at the same time you update the HD

you will only need a new Live account if you get banned, and even then only if you want to use a non-stock drive on Live (some peopel work just fine using an HD switch or swapping)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: BadMan-X on May 01, 2005, 01:37:00 PM

If im not mistaken. I think I have seen cases you can buy that give you an extra space to put another hard drive. So I think what I will do is just swap hard drives everytime I wanna go on live.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Lord Magnus on May 01, 2005, 02:16:00 PM

QUOTE(BadMan-X @ May 1 2005, 07:36 PM)

If im not mistaken. I think I have seen cases you can buy that give you an extra space to put another hard drive. So I think what I will do is just swap hard drives everytime I wanna go on live.

If that's what you're going to do, I'd strongly recommend installing a HD switch or an xtender mod if you can aford it. Otherwise, changing HD manually could result (for most people) in a serious pain in the behind.

Edit:
By the way, there are some tutorials on how to install a HD switch in the tutorial section of the mainpage, along with another tut that shows you how to fit 2 HD's in 1 box. Enjoy

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: BadMan-X on May 01, 2005, 04:53:00 PM

Thanks. I will look into that right now.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: niwaz888 on May 01, 2005, 09:57:00 PM

Pardon me for my noobiness but don't worry I am in the process of reading the scene of xbox modding scene. I jsut ordered a Duox2 blue modchip and am pretty sure that my eeperom+harddrive are husband and wife

because I attended xbox live recenty. Now if I install the modchip, can I still backup games from my hdd (even though it will only like 1 cuz its only 8 gb!!!!) or use XBMC and do all other kinds of cool stuff that I have read about here provided I turn my modchip off(or whatever the process is for Duox2) and lock my stock hdd when I try to go on live correct? And then (just 2 more), from reading this post until like 4 pages (don worry I am getting there to reading the whole post of 15 pages!!!!), if I want to add a large hdd, I would have to obtain a eeprom that hasn't seen xbox live ever or at least is dated before July 2004 (that's when this while thing started) right? And all this locking hdd and flashing eeprom can be done thorgh config magic right or did I miss something? thanks for any replies in advance

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: adam9986 on May 02, 2005, 07:41:00 PM

QUOTE(niwaz888 @ May 1 2005, 09:56 PM)

First question: Yes that is correct, you will be able to do those things if you disable your modchip before going on XBL

Second Question: Correct again, just head over to the Buy-Sell-Trade forum and find someone with a virgin EEPROM. They usually go for 10 bucks

Third Question: Correct once more, ConfigMagic will allow you to unlock/lock your HDD, back up/flash your EEPROM, and some other stuff too, but that's the pertinent information.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: niwaz888 on May 03, 2005, 04:32:00 PM

QUOTE(adam9986 @ May 3 2005, 01:40 AM)

thank you very much

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: radio5 on May 05, 2005, 05:48:00 PM

QUOTE(niwaz888 @ May 1 2005, 08:56 PM)

Uh... what?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on May 06, 2005, 02:18:00 AM

QUOTE(radio5 @ May 6 2005, 09:47 AM)

Uh... what?

hmmm

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: valrond on May 08, 2005, 02:51:00 PM

Hi. I've read most of this thread, specially the beginning, but I still have some doubts. I have an early Xbox (I think it's 1.1, but I'm not sure, it came with the Sega 2002 GT/Jet Set Radio Future) and an X-BIT modchip v1.0. I have an 80 GB disk and use Evox v3921 as my dashboard. I have some evox stuff and a game in C: and E: drives. I have never entered Live!, but I want to try it with Forza Motorsport.

The question is, will I get banned? (provided that I play with the modchip off and play off the original disc) I'd say no, but I want to be "sure" that those files on c: and e: drive will not ban me.

Thanks in advance.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: MrBond on May 08, 2005, 04:10:00 PM

Well it seems like your complying with the marriage theory doesn't it? You've upgraded your harddrive before going on live, so you should be perfectly fine. As alwaysm turn off your chip.....As far as MS knows, the 80gb hdd is the same thing you've always had. So go ahead and play some Forza Motorsport, and have fun on live. As for the stuff on the C drive (how the hell did ya fit a game there?), I myself dont go on live with any modded files on it, but as far as I know, you should be fine. As for the E, I curently have a whole nunch of Halo 2 mods, and various other homebrew apps, and MS is none the wiser!

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on May 10, 2005, 04:56:00 AM

QUOTE(valrond @ May 9 2005, 06:50 AM)

I have some evox stuff and a game in C: and E: drives.

as MrBond said, i am sure that they dont scan the c: partition, so id bet your safe.
go on live an play forza

enjoy

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: I Want More CowBell on May 10, 2005, 07:55:00 AM

nice job lord....I'm the new moderator for the gaming sites and I think this deserves a pinned not a mention pinned...anyone can follow this Topic if needed help with anything!

Nice Job Lord

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Grei on May 10, 2005, 11:09:00 PM

I just got a modded xbox error.

I can't believe it, I've been using this xbox on live for 3 months. It has a duoX with X2 5032 that disables XBL, a locked 200gb HDD and everything non-MS on F drive. How could it have happened? I just got Forza and wanted to try it out on live and I get this. I have another xbox I could try with the same setup that I have been using on live but now I'm scared to try on that incase I get a usertag ban. How many times do you have to get caught before they ban your usertag?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on May 11, 2005, 12:21:00 AM

QUOTE(Grei @ May 10 2005, 11:08 PM)

I just got a modded xbox error.

i dont believe they ever ban your gamertag, they will flag it, so it cant be used with a non-stock HD, but thats it

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Grei on May 11, 2005, 01:30:00 AM

Is it possible they are scanning to see if you have a mod even if it is turned off. I saw someone had an idea this was happening but I don't have time to read all the posts to see if others have had the same thing happen to them.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on May 11, 2005, 03:24:00 AM

QUOTE(Grei @ May 11 2005, 05:29 PM)

yer, i heard rumours of that a while ago, but i dont think it was proved

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on May 11, 2005, 11:51:00 AM

yeah, it was one guy who claimed he say the LED change color on his xenium and thats why he got banned

no one else has backed up the story and i havent heard anythign new about it, its all in my first post here

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Lord Magnus on May 11, 2005, 10:26:00 PM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ May 11 2005, 05:50 PM)

True, somebody else came up with a possible cause for that led change of color, it wasn't about LPC scanning or aplying power to LPC points, but something to do with a light mod that changed the voltage just enough to make it go a different collor.... but more testing was needed and nobody with same setups was willing to help him.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: oNee on May 12, 2005, 03:05:00 AM

Here's a question:

i have been on xblive with the original hdd. Then i upgraded the harddrive and im purchasing a new eeprom for it. I have also backed up the C and E drives (including Udata and Tdata) on my PC and FTPd them to my new hard drive. Will the updates that i have recieved in the past on my old hard drive get my new harddrive banned?

I only ask this because i know the new halo 2 maps had to be signed to a specific harddrive or else it wouldnt work and you would be banned. So are all xblive updates the same way?

Mike

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on May 12, 2005, 01:03:00 PM

its true most downlaoded content and updates must be signed to a specific HD and/or eeprom, however i dont think having a missmatched signiture will get you banned, the content just wont work at all (youll have to download again)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: oNee on May 12, 2005, 02:41:00 PM

Thanks for the info Lord. i will tell you guys the outcome after i get the new eeprom.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: valrond on May 13, 2005, 09:37:00 AM

Thanks for the response, MrBond and ferrari_rulz_02. I just received my copy of Forza Motorsport (today is the official release date in Spain) and I'm about to try it live.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: manobano on May 14, 2005, 12:08:00 AM

If I have a flagged gamertag and I play on a softmodded xbox with just the f drive partitioned will I get banned??? Technically im still playing on a stock hdd just with that extra 2 gigs partitioned for the f drive.....

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on May 14, 2005, 12:29:00 AM

Don't think you'll get banned because of the HD, although depending on how the box is softmodded you might get banned.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: EBear on May 14, 2005, 03:07:00 AM

QUOTE(BadMan-X @ May 1 2005, 07:36 PM)

If im not mistaken. I think I have seen cases you can buy that give you an extra space to put another hard drive. So I think what I will do is just swap hard drives everytime I wanna go on live.

Yeah, its called Xtender and it will allow for 2 additional HDDs. I use one for Live (OG Stock) one just for Media Center and the third for the emus and non XBL games. Best of all the thing is only about $50 and installs in 20 minutes.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ST00GE on May 14, 2005, 04:47:00 AM

i got the xtender and it never worked , i always gotr frezzing

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on May 14, 2005, 07:40:00 AM

QUOTE(valrond @ May 14 2005, 01:36 AM)

Thanks for the response, MrBond and ferrari_rulz_02. I just received my copy of Forza Motorsport (today is the official release date in Spain) and I'm about to try it live.

no problems mate, always glad to help out

ST00GE, i think the reason why teh xtender doesnt work (apart from being ugly) is teh hard drives. i am sure that soem drives just will not tolerate being on the sort of ide cable, and will refuse to work. i think western digital drives are the least playful in that repect

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: m82a1 on May 15, 2005, 12:20:00 AM

can i install an sdk on to a box with live? if yes where should i put the files?
thx

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: BeastlyHands on May 25, 2005, 05:04:00 PM

my gamertag is banned if i buy a new xbox for live should i just restore the account.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: manobano on May 25, 2005, 05:26:00 PM

yes

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on May 26, 2005, 02:28:00 AM

QUOTE(BeastlyHands @ May 26 2005, 11:08 AM)

my gamertag is banned if i buy a new xbox for live should i just restore the account.

yes that will work, but you wont be able to upgrade your hard drive (they will detect it)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Cutriss on May 26, 2005, 12:08:00 PM

I spent the better part of last night looking for some conclusive info as to whether or not I could safely run Halo 2, but I have yet to find it.

I'm going to be moving away for two months, and my friends where I'll be living at are big Halo junkies, and so I'd like to be able to play along with them in their LAN games. I know people have been saying this and that with regards to Halo 2 detecting modded Xboxes in offline mode and then reporting it later, but I have yet to find anyone pin this down and confirm that it's true.

I'm in split TSOP and I upgraded my HDD well before they started logging HDD serials, and I just downloaded some new stuff for a different game a few days ago, so I know I'm not banned (I've been on Live sporadically for months since the big ban). I also have the Live ports blocked in my router and I only enable the rule just long enough for me to go download new stuff (and only after I've verified that I'm booting in retail mode). Hell, I didn't even trust ConfigMagic to lock/unlock my drives - I did it all by hand with ATAPWD and such. So my password isn't even TEAMASSEMBLY. I just don't wanna go fuck it all up just by loading Halo 2.

So, I already know I'm clear from LPC scans (if they exist), and I comply with Marriage Theory. So, is there a final word on whether or not Halo 2 trojans a BIOS scan?

And *PLEASE* don't even get into one of those stupid legal debates on whether or not they can do it. I don't give a shit, and neither do they. MS killed off Netscape while barely lifting a finger; Nobody gives a rat's ass if they "illegally" banned you from their own online service.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on May 26, 2005, 02:18:00 PM

i got the same setup as you (split TSOP, upgraded HD) i play halo with mod enabled offline and with mod disabled online, no troubles at all

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Cutriss on May 26, 2005, 02:19:00 PM

Excellent...I don't think I could have asked for anyone better to post that news than you. ^^ Thank you, my liege.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: jlet19 on May 28, 2005, 09:39:00 AM

Ok I am confused. If I have a 1.1 xbox, and I have played on live with it, and I amd planning on putting in Duox2 with a 120 gig or so hard drive will i get banned? but the thing is, my gamertag expires in a month and i am going to create a new one. Well if i cancel the gamertag b4 it renews me, and then make my new account after the upgrades will i be alright?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on May 28, 2005, 11:22:00 AM

QUOTE(jlet19 @ May 28 2005, 11:43 AM)

no, changing gamertags does not undo a marriage, you will need a new eeprom when you upgrade your HD

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on May 28, 2005, 07:59:00 PM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ May 29 2005, 05:26 AM)

no, changing gamertags does not undo a marriage, you will need a new eeprom when you upgrade your HD

the serial number of the hdd and xbox and married to each other, which is independant of what gamer tag that you use

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: bigpopaz69 on May 31, 2005, 12:48:00 AM

hey guys whays woundering if uz could help me out ieve gotten band from xbl since then ieve got a new eeprom from zo flashed the problem i have now is the mtu not greater than 1300 mtu error screen my mtu is way over 1300 like 4500 ran the little test w/ the y button mtu checked out its a 1 and the other one it a 1 also so that checks out but the nat is a zero i think that means its open really strange problem i have formated and reloaded slayers several of times also tryed loder ms dash 4950 sum thing like that
have a smart xx le2 chip d0 wire to a switch
i also have anther question not related to this post but maybe sum one can help . the question i have is how do i pre soft mod hard drives from my chiped box so i can make up soft moded hard drives then just put them in a unit
thanks

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on May 31, 2005, 05:03:00 AM

QUOTE(bigpopaz69 @ May 31 2005, 06:52 PM)

good grammar mate.

try writing it again so we can read it

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: luap on May 31, 2005, 02:59:00 PM

man this sucks!

i have been on LIVE since beta testing now im gonna mod my system and i want a bigger hard drive..and if i put in a bigger hard drive it will break the marriage thus banning me! so if i change the hard drive and disable the chip ill still get ban?!

if so, is the only way to get by this system is to get a new eeprom? and thats it?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on May 31, 2005, 03:09:00 PM

QUOTE(luap @ May 31 2005, 05:03 PM)

you have 2 options (same two as in my original post in this thread)

1: get a new eeprom at the same time as your new HD

2: keep your old HD and swap them whenever you want to go on Live

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: luap on May 31, 2005, 03:13:00 PM

looks like ill have to be throwing 10 bux away to someone

also can you just b/s the eeprom through config magic? like in the vid http://www.team-assembly.com/downloads/Using%20ConfigMagic%20FINAL.WMV

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: irishdrunk on May 31, 2005, 10:42:00 PM

Ok, I have been playing on Live on my xbox with a X3 and a 200 GB Hard drive. Never any probs thanks to Live blocking. I recently modded out a nice crystal that was a virgin eeprom and hd (niether been on live) But i copied my live account from the first box to mem card and then to the crystal. Now I am banned. So Can I still go on live with my first modded box or now, since I am banned, will it scan my 200 GB HD and ban it too?

EDIT: And also if you set up a NEW gamertag with the same credit card info, will that tag be flagged? Like to they link your information (name, addy, etc) to it. That would suck to get a new year subscription and be screwed in the end anyway

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on May 31, 2005, 10:57:00 PM

QUOTE(irishdrunk @ Jun 1 2005, 12:46 AM)

Ok, I have been playing on Live on my xbox with a X3 and a 200 GB Hard drive. Never any probs thanks to Live blocking. I recently modded out a nice crystal that was a virgin eeprom and hd (niether been on live) But i copied my live account from the first box to mem card and then to the crystal. Now I am banned. So Can I still go on live with my first modded box or now, since I am banned, will it scan my 200 GB HD and ban it too?
EDIT: And also if you set up a NEW gamertag with the same credit card info, will that tag be flagged? Like to they link your information (name, addy, etc) to it. That would suck to get a new year subscription and be screwed in the end anyway

yeah, youll need a new GT for the 200gb drive, they dont flag C info or addresses

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 01, 2005, 04:01:00 AM

ok, so in configmagic, you can edit all the information in teh eeprom. so why cant you just bump up the last digit in the s/n by one, and youll be fine, yes? (providing the xbox with that s/n hasnt been on live.)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: feet14 on June 01, 2005, 06:47:00 AM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Jun 1 2005, 11:05 AM)

Because there are checksums in the EEPROM data preventing you from doing this.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on June 01, 2005, 11:34:00 AM

yeah, if we could do that we woul dhave been doing it from day 1 to get unbanned

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: feet14 on June 02, 2005, 12:10:00 PM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Jun 1 2005, 06:38 PM)

yeah, if we could do that we woul dhave been doing it from day 1 to get unbanned

Yep, that were my first thought as well. However, the copy protection on the Xbox is pretty sophisticated, so if someone can't work it out then I'd suggest they try linux. If that fails, some PM's on here might be in order.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 03, 2005, 03:17:00 AM

QUOTE(feet14 @ Jun 2 2005, 12:51 AM)

Because there are checksums in the EEPROM data preventing you from doing this.

ok then. well i havent tried it, i just saw it was there (theres an on-the-fly eeprom editing mode) and thought it might work.

thanks for the info anyway

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on June 04, 2005, 04:13:00 PM

UPDATE

added my thoughts on the recent rash of "Live not found" errors, i will also put them in a separate post

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on June 04, 2005, 06:26:00 PM

QUOTE

I Replaced My EEPROM And/Or HDD But Now getting Live Not Found...What Gives?

Well from what I have been reading lately it seems you are unfortunately banned again, and this error is a precursor to the actual Modified Hardware error. I guess MS can detect broken marriages as soon as you log in and prevent you from even accessing Live until they add you to the banned list.

My Theory as to why this is happening like this:

I believe MS has instated a sort of Live password as part of the Marriage security measures. Live prompts your xbox for a login of sorts, this login is the same as your EEPROM serial number. It then asks for a password, this password is your HDs lock code or HD serial number. If they do not match what MS has on file on their servers you cannot connect to Live (Live Not Found) and it adds your EEPROM serial to the list of pending bans (same as folks who log in with a hacked bios) If it is a EEPROM they do not have on file they put it on file with the HD code and thus the marriage takes place.

This explains why people who change HDs without changing eeprom cannot access Live at all (since the "password" isnt correct they cant log in) and then only later get th emodified hardware error (after the "classic" ban has been processed)

Nice theory

I like it, I think it actually explains all the funny edge cases we see with Marriage Theory as it stands, but doesn't actually violate the basic idea

, really a nice possible refinement

You still need a new eeprom + new hd, and new GT if you want to use a non-stock hd

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 05, 2005, 04:40:00 AM

yes, another great update. as Gumba noted, it does explain some weird going's on.

and it also sounds like a very MS'y thing to do

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Bizquick on June 06, 2005, 10:20:00 AM

Yeah I had live problems too. I never for the Hardware Modified Error. But I allways get the Can not connect. Now I did set that account up on another xbox and it worked just fine. and I know its not my network config because I just moved my current cables over to the other xbox. So I don't know much about these theory's but I do know I setup my xbox live account in May 2004 or Jun 2004 not sure. and I upgraded my hard drive after I got on live. and I got some game update data and then 2 weeks later I tryed to get on live and it didn't work. so I'm not sure what I sould try to get back on. a new Eprom I might try that. Is there anyway to change the Serial number on the HD? Not likely I would guess.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on June 06, 2005, 12:34:00 PM

new eeprom and stock HD is what you need

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: mnsherick on June 06, 2005, 05:37:00 PM

Howdy guys!!

Alright I read through about 7-8 pages of this thread then my eyes got tired and I decided to post!!

I've currently got 3 modded XBOX's 1 is my personal, and 2 are my close friends, I've modded 5 or 6 XBOX's with X.B.I.T.S. and X3's.

Box 1 is my box, box 2 is Ian's box, and box 3 is nicks box.
Try to keep up

Problem1:
Day1
Ok we've got tons of game, and lots of software/hardware mods. Everything was fine until I descoved XBConnect. I started avidly playing H2 online, so Ian is like I want to play online, so he goes and buys XBLive! After I already told him XBC was free. Well I know nothing of XBL and since I did all the modding Ian loads up XBL with chip on and HD unlocked, and can't play, so I tell him to come over and we will figure it out. Firstly I locked his HD and jumped right on XBL, Banned, I get the HD or SW mod error.

So I search around for a few hours on XBScene, and don't really find anything, and then I decide well maybe it's the mod chip, so I boot my box up (Chip Off HD Locked)and he does acct recovery, then gets on straight away. Keep in mind we all have 160 gig drives (maxtor) and Ian and I have XBITS and Nick has X3.

So we download all the new H2 stuff and get back to playing, then I enable the mod chip and play on XBC, then I told him I would see if I could find the 'files' on my drive and FTP them to his XBOX so we could both have XBL content.

Day2
Ian comes over and we attempt to put his HD in my XBOX thinking that his EEPROM is banned, and being N00blets. And we get mine banned, now I might have screwed up my EEPROM with ConfigMagic I was clicking the auto crap and didn't really know what I was doing. Now we have 2 banned XBOX's and no more XBL.

Day3
We are sitting around bummed out so we call up Nick and ask him to try out XBC with us, so we join a game, and Nick joins and he can't see the game, after many hours we find out he doesn't have a MAC or a SN on his XBOX.

Day12

Today

I need to figure out what I need to do to get Ian's XBOX back on XBL, and need to figure out what is going on with Nicks XBOX.

Any help or suggestions I can get will be greatly appriciated, thanks for reading! Sorry for the long post, but noone else anywhere has been of any help.

-Matt

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on June 06, 2005, 06:27:00 PM

ian will need a new eeprom and new HD (a stock HD if he wants to keep his same gamertag)

nick probably just need a new eeprom (sounds like his got corrupt somehow) so either pick on up from the same seller you get ians new one from or just give him ians old banned one if nick doenst use Live

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: mnsherick on June 06, 2005, 10:33:00 PM

Wow impressive results!!

1.Ok so any guide as to 'how' to move EEPROMS around, I've got Config Magic on all of the machines.

2.Is there a way to get Ian back up and running with XBL and bigger HD (He created his account with the aftermarket drive), or is original drive only option? or does he need a new XBL subscription?

3.Can you create multiple GT's on 1 XBL account?

4. Is there any 'good' tuts on getting XBL content on multiple boxes?

Thanks a ton!

-Matt

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on June 06, 2005, 10:55:00 PM

1:none that i know of, you can just load the .bin up in config magic and flash it

2:no, his GT is flagged, so if he logs in with a non stack HD he will be banned, a new GT will allow him to use an upgrtaded HD

3:GT and XBL account are the same thing, so no, its not possibel to have multiple GTs

4:youll have to download the content on the other xbox, just copy the GT with ammeory card (or use account recovery) and connect to Live and download, you cna also check OXM demo discs, soemtimes they have content on them (these 2 ways are th eonly legal ways, and thus the only ways xbox-scene endorses and supports)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Lord Magnus on June 07, 2005, 02:04:00 AM

Good add about the serial numbers, to the main theory.

One question.... does Drive Cross-Referencing still acts the way it did in the early stages of the Marriage Theory ?
I just found a post that said that a not virgin and not banned stock HD can be re-married to a virgin eeprom ?

Something doesn't quite fit right.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 07, 2005, 05:32:00 AM

QUOTE(Lord Magnus @ Jun 7 2005, 08:08 PM)

Something doesn't quite fit right.

well there has to be some room for changing hard drives. because what happens if your a m$ loyal and get a new box, and on xbl. 2 months later your hard drive fails, and you send it back to m$.

what do they do? stick a new hdd in it an send it back to you. there has to be a way for them to re-marry the eeprom to the new hdd...

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Lord Magnus on June 07, 2005, 12:38:00 PM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Jun 7 2005, 01:36 PM)

That makes a lot of sense. However, I highly doubt they would reflash an eeprom, so it wouldn't difer from what they have in their DB as for example "This eeprom goes with this HD".

I think it'll be easier for them, to just erase that data on their DB, and pretend God (M$), never ever saw that marriage taking place. No ?

The reason I was asking about Cross-referencing is because we've seen people getting banned by using a non-banned, but already married HD, with a virgin eeprom.

What do you all think about all this ?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on June 07, 2005, 02:44:00 PM

QUOTE(Lord Magnus @ Jun 7 2005, 02:42 PM)

it would probably be just as easy for them to program a new eeprom, they probably have a test clip that can go right over the eeprom chip itself and reprogram it at the same time they replace the HD, then they slap a refurb warranty sticker over the old one with the new serial on it

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: mnsherick on June 07, 2005, 05:32:00 PM

Thanks!!

I think I'm on my way!!

So what 'options' do I have to use in Config Magic? I'm not sure as to the wording of the options.

I would 'build EEPROM from .cfg file' on Ian's box, then take the .bin file located in the Config Magic folder, and put it on Nick's XBOX and 'load EEPROM from .bin file' or am I totally confused, if there is a guide or plain english instructions to Config Magic point me to it, and I will try to quite bothering you.

So you can acutally get 'Live' content on a box that is banned by copying the save game files via the M$ dashboard? Or only load the user account then download with unbanned XBOX?

-Matt

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 10, 2005, 01:18:00 AM

QUOTE(mnsherick @ Jun 8 2005, 11:36 AM)

So you can acutally get 'Live' content on a box that is banned by copying the save game files via the M$ dashboard? Or only load the user account then download with unbanned XBOX?

you can only get xbox live downlaods on the xbox that connected to live and downlaoded it.

you CANNOT transfer live data from one xbox to another, and get it working. trust me, its been tried many times, and it doesnt work. it is tied to the xbox that downlaoded it.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: daddy69 on June 10, 2005, 02:08:00 PM

How's it going guys,

I will appreciate it if you guys help me out with this. I have a softmodded xbox with a WD 300gb HD, I use xbox live with the original seagate 10gb hd, and I am thinking on selling my softmodded xbox and buying a new xbox and install a X2.6 CE or maybe a X3 CE with an X3LCD Panel and putting my 300gb on the newer xbox, my 300 gb hd has never been on xbox live so my question is can I transfer my gamertag to the newer chipped xbox and log in to Xbox Live without getting mysefl banned?, or would I need to get a new gamertag on the newer system?.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on June 10, 2005, 02:54:00 PM

QUOTE(daddy69 @ Jun 10 2005, 04:12 PM)

as long as youve never benned in teh past youll be fine

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: daddy69 on June 10, 2005, 04:04:00 PM

Thanks a lot lordvader129, I appreciate your help.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: punisher46 on June 11, 2005, 03:27:00 PM

anyone know of any windows program that can change the manufacturers seriasl number on a hard drive?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on June 11, 2005, 04:17:00 PM

QUOTE(punisher46 @ Jun 11 2005, 05:31 PM)

anyone know of any windows program that can change the manufacturers seriasl number on a hard drive?

there are none, as of yet the serials cannot be changed

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 12, 2005, 04:56:00 AM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Jun 12 2005, 10:21 AM)

there are none, as of yet the serials cannot be changed

i raed up on this, and it seems that it is stored in a flash chip, and on an inaccessable sector of teh hard drive.

and it checks the two against each other.

so its not going to happen

cheers

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: mike69 on June 13, 2005, 11:46:00 PM

ok here is what happened.. got banned because i upgraded hdd.. which hdd is banned ?? old or new?? i just got a new eeprom . should i just flash it to my xbox and use my new hdd?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: adam9986 on June 14, 2005, 03:50:00 PM

QUOTE(mike69 @ Jun 14 2005, 01:50 AM)

ok here is what happened.. got banned because i upgraded hdd.. which hdd is banned ?? old or new?? i just got a new eeprom . should i just flash it to my xbox and use my new hdd?

Mike69,
Your new HDD is banned, your old EEPROM is also banned, and your GamerTag is flagged. You should replace the new HDD with your stock HDD and then flash your xbox OR replace the new HDD with another new HDD & get a new gamertag then flash your xbox. You cannot reuse that HDD that has been banned.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: mike69 on June 14, 2005, 06:14:00 PM

so u r saying that both my hard drive (old and new) are banned??? and if so ..can i flash my upgraded hd with a serial from another unbanned hardrive???

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on June 14, 2005, 07:54:00 PM

QUOTE(mike69 @ Jun 14 2005, 08:18 PM)

so u r saying that both my hard drive (old and new) are banned??? and if so ..can i flash my upgraded hd with a serial from another unbanned hardrive???

no, you cannot change the serial number of an HD, that, along with everything else youve asked has been discussed in this thread

your old HD is fine, as long as it a stock HD you can use it with your old gamertag

to use a large HD youll need a new gamertag

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: mike69 on June 14, 2005, 08:40:00 PM

so wat u r sayin basicly is that i cant never use my gamertag on any upgraded hdd ever with an unbanned eeprom.??? if i do my hdd and eeprom will get banned again???..how does live even know if the hdd is stock or not.. i dont get it..

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on June 14, 2005, 09:15:00 PM

QUOTE(mike69 @ Jun 14 2005, 10:44 PM)

same way they know its the one thats married to your eeprom, make/model/serial

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: mike69 on June 14, 2005, 09:21:00 PM

thx alot for the fast responses... i have gain more knowledge on how all this works..
one more thing...i plan to do marry a brand new out of the box hdd (120 gigs) and a new unbanned eeprom..
if i use my old gamertag (the one i got banned with) both my eeprom and hdd gets banned???

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Cutriss on June 14, 2005, 09:28:00 PM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Jun 10 2005, 03:22 AM)

Actually, I had a thought about this -

Suppose you have two Xboxes. One virgin. Never gets modded. Never gets squat. The other has an upgraded HDD, whatever, but never ever ever touches the Internet.

Boot EvoX via soft exploit, and don't install. Back up the EEPROM.

Write the virgin EEPROM to the modded Xbox. Now you have two Xboxes, one cloned from the other. AFAIK, the data is signed using a hash of your Xbox serial number. So, if your serial number matches, the data can be reused, right?

So, now you can download all the Live content in the world, and then FTP it off the Xbox and over to the modded box. Since they're "the same Xbox", it'd work, wouldn't it?

If I had a spare Xbox handy, I'd check into this myself.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on June 14, 2005, 09:34:00 PM

QUOTE(Cutriss @ Jun 14 2005, 11:32 PM)

yes, that should work, as i dont believe any content is singed to teh HD itself, just the eeprom

you will have trouble using them on the same home network though as they will have the same MAC address

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Cutriss on June 14, 2005, 09:37:00 PM

Yeah, I had thought about that, but the data is so small that I could easily just transfer the data to my PC and just keep one Xbox plugged in at a time.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: adam9986 on June 14, 2005, 09:53:00 PM

QUOTE(mike69 @ Jun 14 2005, 10:44 PM)

That is what we are saying, yes. And apparently when you've been banned they "flag" your gamertag and when that happends they run extra tests to see if you have a stock hard drive...they just know; accept that fact. You ask too many questions and don't read enough. Everything (as vader said) you have asked has already been discussed in this thread.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 15, 2005, 04:11:00 AM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Jun 15 2005, 03:38 PM)

you will have trouble using them on the same home network though as they will have the same MAC address

no they wont. the MAC address is burnt into a chip on the nic (on the mobo). it is assigned by the manufacturer and cannot be changed, without replacing the chip on the board that contains that info

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on June 17, 2005, 01:26:00 AM

QUOTE(mike69 @ Jun 16 2005, 03:48 PM)

if my gamertag has been flagged and i save it to my memory unit .. then i take it to a friends house who has live and happens to have an upgraded hdd... i will get his eeprom and hdd banned????

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on June 17, 2005, 01:29:00 AM

QUOTE(chigawanai @ Jun 17 2005, 07:32 AM)

We're both taking part in a competition on Live so we need to get him back online ASAP. Would I be right in thinking that he could just replace his current broken HD with a virgin stock unbanned Xbox HD? See he can't actually change his eeprom because he's not chipped or anything. So if he did get an unbanned HD, would he or would he not get banned because of a HD Eeprom mismatch?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on June 17, 2005, 01:30:00 AM

QUOTE(pats2306 @ Jun 17 2005, 09:07 AM)

What happens if I have never subscribed to LIVE. I change my Stock HDD to a 120GB HDD & then setup LIVE. I have a Xenium chip installed. Will I Still get banned

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 17, 2005, 02:27:00 AM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Jun 17 2005, 07:41 PM)

If you read the first post you'd know the answer.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on June 17, 2005, 11:25:00 AM

QUOTE(chigawanai @ Jun 17 2005, 11:05 AM)

Okay so we had an idea.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: adam9986 on June 17, 2005, 10:56:00 PM

WTF? I thought an XBL blocking BIOS is supposed to BLOCK XBL sign-ins?? This is so gay. I have 1.6 XBox modded with an X3 w/ the latest BIOS. I know for sure that I have the XBL blocking enabled. The other day my friend comes over and starts to play a game that I have on my HDD and then he forgot that it was on my HDD and attempts to sign into XBL, he remembers that the game is on my HDD (when I'm yelling at him to not get on Live) and cancels the sign-in. I wasn't really too worried, because I knew that the BIOS is supposed to block XBL sign-ins. Anyway, today I try to sign on and it gives me modded Xbox error. What gives? Is there more to blocking XBL than just having that option enabled? I plan on getting a new EEPROM and HDD soon, but I don't want this to accidently happen again. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks guys.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on June 18, 2005, 01:29:00 AM

Live blocking isnt 100%, some games connect to Live differently and get around the blocking, i think teh MS troubleshooter bypasses it too, not sure though

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 18, 2005, 06:16:00 PM

QUOTE(adam9986 @ Jun 19 2005, 08:00 AM)

PS - the game was Greg Hastings' Paintball if anyone wondered.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on June 22, 2005, 12:20:00 AM

QUOTE(evolution5 @ Jun 21 2005, 12:30 PM)

Does the marrage theory only apply to a single hdd per eeprom? i ask this because i was banned and i am in the process of getting a new eeprom, so i already reverted to my stock hdd. One of my mates came round and didnt know i had been banned so he tried to go on live, of course it wouldn't let him, but all it said was 'xbox live not found', nothing bout s'ware/h'ware mods.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 22, 2005, 02:25:00 AM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Jun 22 2005, 06:31 PM)

I think your HD is alright.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: adam9986 on June 22, 2005, 05:53:00 AM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Jun 22 2005, 04:36 AM)

same here

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: bbymstng on June 25, 2005, 10:04:00 PM

banned and the marriage theory isn't the case here - in case anybody cares lol

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: adam9986 on June 25, 2005, 11:01:00 PM

bbymstng,

Did you get modified hardware banned? You have any clue at all?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on June 25, 2005, 11:29:00 PM

QUOTE(bbymstng @ Jun 26 2005, 12:15 AM)

banned and the marriage theory isn't the case here - in case anybody cares lol

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Lord Magnus on June 27, 2005, 12:48:00 PM

QUOTE(adam9986 @ Jun 26 2005, 07:12 AM)

bbymstng,

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 28, 2005, 10:12:00 PM

QUOTE(crazyinsaneman @ Jun 29 2005, 01:45 PM)

live not found

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on June 29, 2005, 12:37:00 AM

QUOTE(crazyinsaneman @ Jun 28 2005, 10:45 PM)

Ok, i accidently signed on with my modchip on and got banned, but my account was out of time and i was planning to get a new hd so i didnt care. After i got the new hd sometimes when i booted to the ms dash it automaticly tried to sign on to live cause i forgot to take the cable out but i didnt care because i knew my eeprom was already banned. So later on my friends all wanted me to mod their xboxs, and one of them never used live before so i took his eeprom and flashed it to my xbox figuring i could get back on live. I deleted my inactive flagged account that i was banned on cause i was planning to make a new one. But when i try to sign on to live it says live not found. Does this have anything to do with accidently booting to ms dash with the internet cable plugged in?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on June 29, 2005, 03:13:00 AM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Jun 29 2005, 05:48 PM)

when did you get banned? you may need a new HD

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Lord Magnus on June 29, 2005, 01:01:00 PM

This would be good test.

If you connect that HD, and with a new eeprom, and you're able to play live without problems. That would mean that once your eeprom is banned, and if you want to connect to xbox live, that eeprom is all the Live servers are going to see and won't let you go any further.
So, basically, if you can connect to Live by just changing that eeprom, it'll help answer that question of "When does Live actually check for HD Size?"

Good luck.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on July 01, 2005, 12:38:00 AM

QUOTE(Lord Magnus @ Jun 30 2005, 06:12 AM)

This would be good test.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Vfreitas on July 01, 2005, 07:17:00 PM

A question. Are your HD serial number and eeprom tied together with your account? In my case my Live account is up and I haven't renewed it yet. Would I be able to start a new account with the same eeprom but a different HD? I didn't see this, may have missed it though.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on July 02, 2005, 04:22:00 AM

QUOTE(Vfreitas @ Jul 2 2005, 12:28 PM)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: thief04 on July 02, 2005, 12:57:00 PM

i just bought a 160 gb hard drive for my xbox and i used xbox live with my previous stock drive. Can i not use the EEprom from my origional stock drive or do i have to buy a new one? i also have a friend who has about 8 xboxes and he will and never has used xbox live. Can i use his EEprom from one of his xboxes? if i can how do i do it?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on July 02, 2005, 01:03:00 PM

QUOTE(thief04 @ Jul 2 2005, 03:08 PM)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on July 03, 2005, 05:51:00 AM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Jul 3 2005, 06:14 AM)

you can use your firends eeproms no problem though, just make sure you get one from the same version xbox as yours

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: l337xghostx on July 04, 2005, 04:39:00 AM

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on July 04, 2005, 05:25:00 AM

QUOTE(l337xghostx @ Jul 4 2005, 09:50 PM)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on July 06, 2005, 04:22:00 AM

QUOTE(felang @ Jul 5 2005, 11:46 AM)

Did this guy sell me a bad eeprom?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Boxgamex80 on July 06, 2005, 07:26:00 PM

So im jsut making this clear, if i buy a new xbox because i sold my old xbox live xbox and have a hard drive switch with the current stock drive it will not ban me? If so this is some real bad news for the people who dont mod and xboxes broke and jsut bought a new one.

edit: or can ii jsut xfer the fresh eeprom from the stock hard drive to my new drive before the new ones ever on live?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on July 07, 2005, 01:30:00 AM

QUOTE(Boxgamex80 @ Jul 7 2005, 12:37 PM)

edit: or can ii jsut xfer the fresh eeprom from the stock hard drive to my new drive before the new ones ever on live?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on July 07, 2005, 09:57:00 PM

QUOTE(TrailerUK @ Jul 7 2005, 11:40 PM)

hi just a quick question, if i was to get a new motherboard for my xbox, but keep the hdd would i still be able to go on live if i flashed the eeprom from the old mobo onto the new mobo and with the same hdd?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: chem123 on July 08, 2005, 04:42:00 PM

I have been using a refurbished xbox that had not been on live since before Jan 2004, updated the harddrive, and played live for a while... Once I installed the Halo 2 Map Pack it gave me the modified hardware warning. the mod chip was NEVER actve (I never actually installed any other bios, so it could only boot the retail bios. Anyone else had this problem

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on July 10, 2005, 03:26:00 AM

QUOTE(chem123 @ Jul 9 2005, 09:53 AM)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Stan64 on July 11, 2005, 05:42:00 AM

Ok, I bought a 1.6 XBOX and chipped it with SmartXX and a 200GB HD. after that I went live. I played many games and so on. I had some friends over that played live and told them how it worked. However. They didn't listen and my box got banned. >_<

Now I'm changing the EEPROM from another 1.6 AND I'm changing harddrive. Will I get banned when I go online? Did I have to change HD?

As far as I read the answers are NO and YES. Tell me if I were wrong.

And will the "Backup EEPROM" and then "Restore EEPROM" options in SmartXX work to get the EEPROM transferred through boxes?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: DoctorV on September 21, 2005, 12:00:00 PM

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on September 21, 2005, 01:41:00 PM

no, im afraid you will need a new eeprom as well, sicne your old eeprom was married to the HD serial number (not model) and there is no way to change or clone serial numbers

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: DoctorV on September 21, 2005, 09:03:00 PM

Thanks lordvader129 but this is still bugging me. What does this mean then? More specifically whats written in the parenthesis.

"Drive Cross-Referencing
You can use an unbanned but not virgin HD with a virgin EEPROM but you can't use a non-virgin EEPROM with a different HD (without copying the drive 'disk.bin' info from one to the other)"

What is disk.bin and hdkey.bin and what do they do? It sounds like what they're saying is that it is possible if I copy the "disk.bin" file from my old HD to my new one.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on September 21, 2005, 10:21:00 PM

no, that preserves the partition table, but as i said there is no way to copy or clone or change the serial number in any way, and thats what gets you banned

hdkey is just the lock code, whih is also based on the serial number so its different for every drive

basically what the quote is saying is you can use an HD that has already been on Live even if its not with the "married" eeprom (the HDs can "remarry" eepoms cant)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: DoctorV on September 22, 2005, 03:17:00 PM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Sep 22 2005, 06:32 AM)

no, that preserves the partition table, but as i said there is no way to copy or clone or change the serial number in any way, and thats what gets you banned

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on September 24, 2005, 10:02:00 AM

from what i have heard that wont get you banned, but i personally would not risk with, especially with eeproms costing only $10US

also, if you use an NTSC eeprom make sure your TV can support an NTSC signal

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on September 30, 2005, 03:36:00 AM

QUOTE(Yzzerdd @ Sep 25 2005, 07:00 AM)

Has anyone using Waffletools ever been banned from live?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on September 30, 2005, 09:14:00 AM

as far as i can tell its an outdated softmod installer, what softmod its installing i dont know

use krayzies ndure installer instead, then coldboot games for Live

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on September 30, 2005, 06:00:00 PM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Oct 1 2005, 02:25 AM)

as far as i can tell its an outdated softmod installer

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: 00g on September 30, 2005, 06:36:00 PM

Today, I got my broken V1.0 up and running, using a HDD I took from a V1.6.

The V1.0 has been on live.
The V1.6 has not, and never will be.

So, would I be able to switch these EEproms?
I ask, because I saw someone in the BST forum selling EEproms labled V1.0, V1.6, etc.

Are all EEproms compatible with all XBOX versions?

(I mentioned switching them, just to ensure the V1.6 never attempted to get on Live, and inadvertantly resulted in banning the EEprom)

Also, is the EEprom change possible with a DuoX2 Lite chip with the OEM BIOS?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on September 30, 2005, 07:19:00 PM

there are 3 different types of eeprom

1.0
1.1-1.5
1.6/1.6b

a 1.0 can be converted to 1.1-1.5, and vice versa, but the 1.6 is too different

youll have to buy a new eeprom for the 1.0

eprom change is possible with any chip running any bios that allows loading unsigned code

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: thedominor on October 05, 2005, 06:58:00 PM

Vader, about what doctor V said a few posts earlier; i think someone mentioned that it might be possible to switch the circuit boards of the two hard drives he has since they both are the same make and model in order to avoid banning? I'd kinda like to see him try. Though if he does, he should be prepared to lose a hard drive!
Also, have you ever heard of a modified xbox error issued several days after a marriage? Or if editing the eeprom with config magic could cause banning?!
And thank for all the help! Please tell me if I should be asking these questions elsewhere, or maybe doing some more reading and searching.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on October 05, 2005, 08:03:00 PM

QUOTE(thedominor @ Oct 6 2005, 11:09 AM)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: thedominor on October 05, 2005, 11:05:00 PM

QUOTE(Gumba @ Oct 5 2005, 10:14 PM)

Yes, that might work, if in fact, they are the same make and model (and possibly revision)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 07, 2005, 03:22:00 AM

good to see someone who had a sucessfull go.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on October 13, 2005, 06:13:00 PM

QUOTE

So xbox live doesn't scan for duplicate hdds but they do scan for banned ones? Am I wrong or is this the case?

yep, that seems to be the case

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Statecowboy on October 13, 2005, 06:15:00 PM

Just for shits and giggles, why doesnt MS just ban all hdd serials that are linked to larger hard drives? they must not be too hard pressed to ban modders...or just really not thinking right.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 14, 2005, 12:24:00 AM

QUOTE(Statecowboy @ Oct 14 2005, 11:26 AM)

Just for shits and giggles, why doesnt MS just ban all hdd serials that are linked to larger hard drives? they must not be too hard pressed to ban modders...or just really not thinking right.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on October 14, 2005, 08:35:00 AM

anyone with a flagged GT can tell you it takes MUCH longer for them to log in because fo all the extra checks, to perform those checks for everyone would lag the server horribly

at least thats my guess

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 14, 2005, 07:23:00 PM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Oct 15 2005, 01:46 AM)

anyone with a flagged GT can tell you it takes MUCH longer for them to log in because fo all the extra checks, to perform those checks for everyone would lag the server horribly

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Gumba on October 17, 2005, 07:52:00 PM

QUOTE(shownomercy @ Oct 14 2005, 09:31 AM)

1. Let's say xbox live marries a new eeprom and large HDD to a new GT

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on October 17, 2005, 09:33:00 PM

QUOTE(CTheGreat99 @ Oct 17 2005, 10:37 PM)

whats going to happen if i try to log on with an unbanned eeprom thats been used with a stock hard drive, with a different virgin stock hard drive?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: NAME GOT TAKEN on October 18, 2005, 11:00:00 AM

Ok, here's my dilemma. I have 2 xbox's: 1 modded / 1 unmodded. When I got banned from xbl w/ my modded xbox, I purchased a new xbox w/ a new gt to get back on xbl. But, now I want to sell my unmodded xbox / have live on my modded xbox. After reading "marriage theory", I just want to confirm that I understand what marriage theory is, so I don't get banned from xbl again.

According to what I read I have 2 options:

1) get a stock hd (unlocked / unbanned) / a new eeprom / put a switch that will let me use the stock hd when I go on xbl.

or

2) get a bigger hd / new eeprom / new gt.

My main question is could I retrieve my current gt from my unmodded xbox / transfer it to the modded one if I decide to get a new hd / eeprom?

The problem is I want to keep the hd I have in my modded xbox / don't really want to get another 200 gb hd. So, I would prefer option 1 b/c it seems just as effective / more cost efficient.

Bear in mind I'm completely new to the x/s forums / would like some feedback/opinions as to what I should do b4 I go to an installer.

Thanks.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: thedominor on October 18, 2005, 11:48:00 AM

I'm pretty sure you got it all right. Are your GTs on each box the same? It is a bit tricky to add a second hdd with a switch, but not impossible. Check the tutorials section for a rough idea of how to do it. I have the same situation, and am going with route 1...stock, new eep etc.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on October 18, 2005, 02:46:00 PM

QUOTE(NAME GOT TAKEN @ Oct 18 2005, 12:11 PM)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on October 21, 2005, 10:12:00 AM

QUOTE(fredz @ Oct 21 2005, 11:15 AM)

Wanted to add something here: I was in the original Xbox Live beta years ago. I was in the US beta but used a PAL xbox with a modchip (Enigmah). During the beta, this worked fine, but they banned all mod-chip users when the beta was finished. Now, about 2-3 years later, I changed my EEPROM. Before changing my EEPROM, I tried to connect at least 10 times (not knowing), got Xbox Live Not Found, of course. So it seems that just TRYING to connect with a banned Xbox does not automatically get the Marriage Theory applied. I did not change my HDD, and after 2 weeks, I'm still in - just changing the EEPROM was enough.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on October 21, 2005, 05:18:00 PM

QUOTE

If your HD is locked with a virgin box you should be in the clear right?

not necessarily, if the HD is banned youll still get busted, if you use any kind of game hacks or mods on Live youll be banned, if you switch HDs after going on live youlll get banned (even if you go back to your original HD) and of ocurse the old classic, logging in with chip enabled

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: A Murder of Crows on October 22, 2005, 12:30:00 AM

some questions recently came up. if one complies with the marrige theory while installing Krayzie's NDure on a virgin xbox with a virgin large hard drive, will it be compatible with Live after the change over?

what if there is a kernel update?

i should probably ask this in krayzie's topic also....but anyone's info would be nice

thanx!

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 22, 2005, 01:47:00 AM

QUOTE(dragonjnice @ Oct 22 2005, 06:47 PM)

The HDs are all virgins and I can't get any of them to work at all. The box won't boot. Do I need a certain bios to get them to work? If not then any other reasons why several virgin HDs won't even boot up?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on October 22, 2005, 08:01:00 AM

QUOTE(A Murder of Crows @ Oct 22 2005, 01:41 AM)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on October 22, 2005, 12:18:00 PM

does an error number show in the upper left corner?

chances are they are either locked to the old xboxes still (error 6) or not locked at all (error 5)

for error 6 you need access to the xbox they came from, otherwise the HDs are worthless

for error 5 you need the eeprom of the xbox you want to use it on

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 24, 2005, 04:39:00 AM

QUOTE(dragonjnice @ Oct 24 2005, 12:57 PM)

Well I have mimesis maps on my 120GB. Where do I delete them from in order to not get banned?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: dragonjnice on October 25, 2005, 04:52:00 PM

I tried deleting the mimesis program entirely and the maps still shot. Is there a TDATA or UDATA folder that I can delete and lose all map data as well as profiles? I'm willing to go there (seeing that I'll get it all from live anyway) if this is at all possible. Also, location of APPS or game files won't get you caught? I guess what I'm asking is how do I virginize my big drive in order for it to mirror a stock drive enough not to be banned in a few days? Like I said before, I have a bud with my exact setup, and he got banned, but after reading the forums, I think he got caught because his Halo 2 map expansion was impoted from another box, not from the disc. Mine ARE from a disc, but I don't want the mimesis stuff to rat me out. The mim stuff seems to be in the same place as the expansion maps. Any ideas as to where they are?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: KeizerSoze on October 26, 2005, 03:36:00 PM

no one seems to be helping me with this problem. i need a detailed answer people. here's the scenario:

- modded my box with Slayer Auto EvoX Installer v2.6
- now have the option between Retail and EvoX dash
- box is completely original, except with a chip now
- NEVER accessed any Live content while running modded
- trouble shooter finds only one error; can't find xBox Live
- xBox Live isn't able to connect, however the settings are the exact same as prior to mod
- other than not being able to connect, no other message is shown
- neglected to save Live account to memory unit prior to mod

a friend of mine modded his box the same way i did and is also having this problem. my settings on my firewall, router, etc, HAVE NOT changed. apparently if you hit Y after the trouble shooter runs, you'll see this and it's suppose to mean something:

1.00.5971.01
W: 0000 - 000B
X: 0000 - F001
Y: 00C2 - 03C0
Z: 0000 - 0000
L: 0 ms (0 ms)
P: 0 / 0

my questions are:

1. has anyone experienced this same problem?
2. IF i was banned, wouldn't i get a message stating so?
3. HOW do i confirm whether or not my account is still active?
4. HOW do i resolve this problem?!!

i hate having to post this so many times, but no one is helping me fix this. can someone PLEASE assist me?!

thank you very much,

Keizer

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 27, 2005, 12:55:00 AM

QUOTE(KeizerSoze @ Oct 27 2005, 08:47 AM)

2. IF i was banned, wouldn't i get a message stating so?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: KeizerSoze on October 27, 2005, 10:58:00 AM

when i power up my box, the first screen i see is the chip's screen, Xenium ICE. from there, i have the option of running modded (EvoX) or Retail Dash. i HAVE NEVER accessed any Live content while running modded.

so, this is what's so confusing. not a single setting is different, and yet i still can't seem to connect to xBox Live. i understand that i've made a mistake by neglecting to back up my Live account to a memory unit. however, even if i had, i would still need to be able to CONNECT to xBox Live. even if i try to create a new account, i still cannot connect. the problem can't be my network, cuz the box is getting an internet connection just fine when i run XBMC.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on October 27, 2005, 02:08:00 PM

how long has this been happening? Live has been having heaps of trouble since the upgrade on the 24th, alot of people still cant log in

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: KeizerSoze on October 27, 2005, 03:39:00 PM

this problem has been happening since i modded my box, about a month and a half ago.

check this out, i called xBox today and they had me set up my router for a static ip. then they had me adjust my settings to manual, instead of automatic, and gave me what i needed to fill in. well, it still didn't connect and their only advice was to keep trying cuz they've been working on their servers and have been getting alot of connection complaints. but like i said, i've been unable to connect for over a month.

i just don't understand. i would really like to get on Live cuz i need to get that new Lockdown patch. apparently, it's taboo on xBox Scene to ask for other places to find it.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 28, 2005, 12:25:00 AM

QUOTE(KeizerSoze @ Oct 28 2005, 04:09 AM)

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: KeizerSoze on October 28, 2005, 01:14:00 PM

does RETAIL KERNEL mean the same as retail bios? cuz, that's what i have. i tried to connect a bunch of times within the past day. configured my settings a million and one different ways, and still NOTHING!

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on October 28, 2005, 01:47:00 PM

yeah, kernel = bios

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 28, 2005, 04:03:00 PM

this is a bit strange.

can you sucessfully gain ftp access to your xbox from your computer?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: KeizerSoze on October 28, 2005, 06:04:00 PM

yes, FTP works just fine.

i used the Slayer Auto EvoX Installer v2.6. it came with a manual and i followed those directions perfectly. has anyone heard of any problems like this with Slayer's Installer?

i just read something on a different site about this Auto Installer. it mentions "...the ability to add EvoX and other apps in the F drive for stealth mode..." what does this mean? currently, all my apps are on E. however, if i'm not mistaken, EvoX and a couple others are on C.

the reason i bring this up, is because it was originally a concern of mine that somehow, someway, M$ might be able to see what's in my C drive. and i was worried about being banned. well, a mod in another post ( i think it was Vader) told me that M$ would not be able to see the contents of my C drive. i'm sure if that were the case, and i was banned, the guy i talked to from xBox support would've told me so and/or i would've gotten some sort of message when i ran troubleshooter.

anyhow, i appreciate you guys trying to help me out. any insight on this problem is greatly appreciated!!

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on October 29, 2005, 01:30:00 AM

QUOTE(KeizerSoze @ Oct 29 2005, 11:15 AM)

i just read something on a different site about this Auto Installer. it mentions "...the ability to add EvoX and other apps in the F drive for stealth mode..." what does this mean? currently, all my apps are on E. however, if i'm not mistaken, EvoX and a couple others are on C.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on November 05, 2005, 12:20:00 AM

good question

i am in the same bucket. i allways run my xbox with teh modchip on (no live blocking), and im pretty sure it has trioed to login to live in the past

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on November 13, 2005, 07:39:00 PM

did you actyually complete the account recovery?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on November 13, 2005, 11:37:00 PM

QUOTE(ViciousX @ Nov 14 2005, 12:59 PM)

Nope, I just clicked account recovery and then it tries to connect to LIVE, and I was banned as it tried to connect. Never got to input my account/password or anything

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on November 14, 2005, 11:06:00 AM

QUOTE(The_Joeba @ Nov 14 2005, 11:06 AM)

sorry if this is a repeat

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on November 14, 2005, 12:04:00 PM

could not conenct due to modified hardware means it has already been banned, something MUST have happened prior to this to get it banned

the only time ive seen GTs disappear is if they are recovered on another xbox or HD, are you 100% sure you never tried to recover your GT on the upgraded HD?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on November 15, 2005, 01:29:00 AM

QUOTE(ViciousX @ Nov 15 2005, 05:20 AM)

Is there anyway it could've banned me while I was in the troubleshooting menus making sure I had a connection?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: pokeroo on November 18, 2005, 08:20:00 AM

I have a 1.2 XBOX modded with the X3CE and stock HDD. I have put some files on it though like the XBMC, NES emulator and Evolution-X dashboard. The dashboard and its files are on C whereas the rest of the stuff is on E.

Now, if I connect on XBL (I've had my account for a year and just renewed in October this year prior to modding), would I be banned for having such files on the system?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: pokeroo on November 18, 2005, 09:48:00 AM

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on November 18, 2005, 11:16:00 AM

QUOTE(pokeroo @ Nov 18 2005, 08:27 AM)

Now, if I connect on XBL (I've had my account for a year and just renewed in October this year prior to modding), would I be banned for having such files on the system?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: pokeroo on November 18, 2005, 01:16:00 PM

For now I'll keep the stock HDD and when I'm fed up of XBL, I can upgrade the drive. At times its more annoying to play online anyways.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on November 18, 2005, 04:59:00 PM

QUOTE(pokeroo @ Nov 18 2005, 01:23 PM)

Thanks for the quick response lordvader. I usually only play Halo 2 on XBL. I've tried playing Burnout 3 and Rallysport Challenge 2 on Live as well but it didn't feel the same.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on November 19, 2005, 01:28:00 AM

yeah with xlink having lots of good features, and very low bandwidth cost due to overheads, it is a damm good service.
its a very good program, but you cant really replace live (especially with the 360), due to conent downloads and updates.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ipodder2003 on November 24, 2005, 07:45:00 PM

This is probably pointless because you all know what happens already, but since there's been a bit of questioning about bans since the 360, here's my recent experience.

I popped a 200 gig into my xbox about a week ago with an x3 and I also flashed what I thought was a new eeprom. One or the other had already been on live, and I got banned yesterday. I flashed another new eeprom and popped in a brand new 40 gig HD, and I used account recovery and I'm back on.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on November 25, 2005, 12:07:00 AM

QUOTE(ipodder2003 @ Nov 25 2005, 12:52 PM)

I used account recovery and I'm back on.

not for long i think. i think that you will be banned, because your ganer tag will have been flagged.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on November 25, 2005, 08:54:00 AM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Nov 25 2005, 01:14 AM)

not for long i think. i think that you will be banned, because your ganer tag will have been flagged.

yeah

and what does any of that have to do with getting banned on a 360? lol

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ipodder2003 on November 25, 2005, 10:32:00 AM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Nov 25 2005, 01:14 AM)

not for long i think. i think that you will be banned, because your ganer tag will have been flagged.

Why? Because I used a 40 gig and not a stock?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on November 26, 2005, 12:55:00 AM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Nov 26 2005, 02:01 AM)

and what does any of that have to do with getting banned on a 360? lol

did he say it had anything to do with a 360?

QUOTE(ipodder2003 @ Nov 26 2005, 03:39 AM)

Why? Because I used a 40 gig and not a stock?

no, because you got banned on that account.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on November 26, 2005, 08:31:00 AM

QUOTE(ipodder2003 @ Nov 25 2005, 11:39 AM)

Why? Because I used a 40 gig and not a stock?

well your GT was flagged when you got banned, flagged GTs get re-banned if they are used on anything other than stock HDs

QUOTE

did he say it had anything to do with a 360?

he said this:

QUOTE

but since there's been a bit of questioning about bans since the 360, here's my recent experience.

i just dont see what his experience has to do with peoples questions about getting banned on 360, maybe im just misreading him, lol

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ipodder2003 on November 26, 2005, 10:23:00 AM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Nov 26 2005, 09:38 AM)

well your GT was flagged when you got banned, flagged GTs get re-banned if they are used on anything other than stock HDs
he said this:

i just dont see what his experience has to do with peoples questions about getting banned on 360, maybe im just misreading him, lol

Yeah, I actually tried to edit, but the server lagged out. What I meant was that some people thought that since the 360 came out, XBL was getting lax on the bans.

Hope I don't get banned

Oh, one more quick question. I play on Live with a bunch of friends at this guy's house sometimes; is it safe for me to use my banned GT on his xbox along with their 3 other nonbanned GT's? His box is totally stock. I don't want my friends banned.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on November 26, 2005, 11:10:00 AM

as long as hes using a stock HD you GT will be fine

i dont think anyone with half a brain ever thought MS would hold off on bans with 360 released, what logical reason would they have to do that? it was just wishful thinking from people who regretted getting banned stupidly

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ipodder2003 on November 26, 2005, 12:15:00 PM

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Nov 26 2005, 12:17 PM)

You're entirely correct. The posts I saw were basically wishful thinking, but they had some random evidence at the time to back up their thoughts, I don't remember exactly what. Anyways, thanks for the help!

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ipodder2003 on November 29, 2005, 11:02:00 PM

You're right. I'm banned again. I was on live for like 6 hours straight and just got banned.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on November 29, 2005, 11:11:00 PM

QUOTE(ipodder2003 @ Nov 30 2005, 05:09 PM)

You're right. I'm banned again. I was on live for like 6 hours straight and just got banned.

i thought you would get banned.

looks like youll need a new everything

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ipodder2003 on November 29, 2005, 11:24:00 PM

Can't I just get a stock HD and eeprom and try again? I was using a 40 gig. No new GT should be necessary right?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on November 29, 2005, 11:30:00 PM

QUOTE(ipodder2003 @ Nov 30 2005, 05:31 PM)

Can't I just get a stock HD and eeprom and try again? I was using a 40 gig. No new GT should be necessary right?

well if it a drive out of a non-banned xbox, and a virgin eeprom, then you will be right to go with no new GT needed

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ipodder2003 on November 29, 2005, 11:31:00 PM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Nov 30 2005, 12:37 AM)

well if it a drive out of a non-banned xbox, and a virgin eeprom, then you will be right to go with no new GT needed

Yeah, sorry, that's what I meant. I was a little unclear. Excellent; I've got a non-live using buddy that upgraded his HD and has no use for his stock HD or eeprom.

Thanks ferrari.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ipodder2003 on December 03, 2005, 12:25:00 PM

Installed the new eeprom + HD a couple days ago, and still unbanned. Thanks to lordvader and all you guys who are working on the marriage theory.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on December 04, 2005, 12:11:00 AM

QUOTE(ipodder2003 @ Dec 4 2005, 06:32 AM)

Installed the new eeprom + HD a couple days ago, and still unbanned. Thanks to lordvader and all you guys who are working on the marriage theory.

good to get some feedback from people who have had (eventual) sucsess

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: omg0t on December 11, 2005, 12:03:00 AM

wut if my xbox has had a few xbox live accounts, but when it got banned it was only on one of them? (the other accounts expired before it got banned) are the other accounts flagged or banned or wut?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: ferrari_rulz_02 on December 16, 2005, 04:43:00 PM

QUOTE(JuniorFan @ Dec 11 2005, 05:39 PM)

I had Xbox Live and my account on an untouched xbox (never open, modded, hdd change, nothing). Then I got it modded, and upgraded the hdd a week later. The guy who did it for me says if I put in the new eeprom and signed on to the account I made before I did anything to my box it will ban me.

ok, to take all the confusion out of this...

you have upgraded the hard drive, and havent touched the eeprom, yes? and you havent been on line yet, have you?

well then all you need to do is get a virgin eeprom, and load that into your xbox, then you will be fine to go on live. just make sure you get the same version eeprom as what your xbox is.

QUOTE(omg0t @ Dec 11 2005, 06:10 PM)

wut if my xbox has had a few xbox live accounts, but when it got banned it was only on one of them? (the other accounts expired before it got banned) are the other accounts flagged or banned or wut?

the other gt's will be fine

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Wolf12886 on January 03, 2006, 04:44:00 PM

I have some information that may be of use. Ive modded 3 xboxes succesfully, the most recent one my own, I modded a spare 40 gig drive and replaced mine with that one, retaining the other to use on live. I play on live now and then, and had never had trouble. Then the other day my friend tried to play his copy of halo 2 (which i had never played since i moded my box), it wouldnt log in, then after troubleshooting revealed that it belived the software or hardware had been modified. I have a few theories based on what ive read about this on the forums.

1. Live detected the remanents of the soft mod i used to origionally get my eeprom (the gamesave)
Note: this one is unlikly because i play on live often

2. Halo 2 had somthing to do with live detecting the remenants of the mod
Note: I probly had the remenants there before and didnt get banned

3: My friend earlier could have tried to access live with my modded drive, flagging the eeprom because of the different hard drive
Note: this seems less likely to me because no gamer tag even resides on the upgraded drive

Any Ideas would be appreciated, though it should be noted that i don't really play live any more and dont need to get back on it, i just want to find out why i got banned

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on January 10, 2006, 08:30:00 AM

when was the last time you had played Live before this? and what did you do then?

i ask because bans dont usually come up that fast, when you get th emodified software/hardware error that usually means the bannable offense happened several days earlier and the ban just now kicked in

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Tracksol on January 10, 2006, 09:56:00 AM

I've got an Xbox 1.0 that I messed up when installing a pin header. I ordered a new MB/HD combo, placed it into a Halo LE case, transfered over the P/S, DVD and everything else into it.

Now I've bought the parts needed to make a complete xbox out of my old MB. It boots up with a modchip and I'm about to reflash the TSOP since I think it's corrupt.

Anyway, the last time I was on Live with my original MB was the latest July 2004. I've never been banned as it was a completely stock Xbox. If I'm able to fix this MB by flashing the TSOP and upgrade the HD, can I go on Live without being banned, since they didn't start the marriage check till November?

Also, this Xbox will be sold, so if it goes on Live it will be with a new Gamertag. So from what I've read, if it would be banable with the original eeprom and new HDD, if I get a new eeprom at the time of the larger HDD installed it should be okay, right?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on January 10, 2006, 10:29:00 AM

QUOTE

Preface: When Did All This Start?

QUOTE

Marriages seem to have been made since July 2004 or so, the bans started circa November 9th 2004.

from the very top of the first post, if i were you i wouldnt risk it, since your right there where they started the marriages

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Tracksol on January 10, 2006, 10:40:00 AM

Really, I don't know when was the last time specifically I logged on to Live with the old Xbox. Thinking back I think it was earlier than that since at my last apartment I didn't even have cable internet. But for $10 for a new eeprom, it'd rather buy the assurance of peace of mind.

Oh yeah, with the "new" xbox in the LE case, I logged onto live succesfully AFTER the HD upgrade with my old Gamertag.

Thanks lordvader.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: franchiseplayer on January 25, 2006, 05:40:00 PM

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Dec 16 2005, 11:50 PM)

Sorry, but that's incorrect.

I recently did that exact method and ended up with a ban a day later.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on January 31, 2006, 03:13:00 PM

QUOTE(franchiseplayer @ Jan 25 2006, 06:47 PM)

Sorry, but that's incorrect.

I recently did that exact method and ended up with a ban a day later.

it would be nice if you told us what happened and why you think the current theories need to be revised

QUOTE

Hi,

I messed up and got myself banned for the very first time... Now I have a question on getting back on XBL.

If your EEPROM has been banned (together with your HDD), and then you swap the HDD, and after that you connect to XBL (XBox is still banned at this point), you get the "Can't connect" message. Is the new harddrive now also tagged by MS? Or would I be able to just flash the EEPROM and then connect with a new account?

I ask this because I don't want to waste my new EEPROM, but I also don't want to buy another HDD if it is not necessary. Strictly taken, MS has seen the new drive.

well you arent going to be able to use the same HD you got banned with on Live anymore, and if you want to keep your gamertag you need to use a stock HD

if you swapped HDs but not eeproms then tried to go on again (getting the banned error) then your new HD should be fine, since it was never fully logged in to Live

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: VinnySem on February 06, 2006, 06:58:00 AM

Lordvader, I have something to add to your marriage theory, as I was banned this passed weekend.

I believe MS is now performing some sort of HD firmware scan. I have an Xbox that I never took onto Live before I modded it. It has a Maxtor 100G HD. I did a clean boot directly to the Retail TSOP, created a brand new Live account (first time ever on Live, wanted to check out Battlefield 2) and was promptly banned with the "modified hardware" message. Perhaps MS is scanning the HD firmware and comparing manufacturer & model information to those of original equipment? I know Avalaunch can read the HD firmware, it wouldn't be much of a leap for Live to do the same.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: T-H-M on February 10, 2006, 01:27:00 AM

QUOTE(T-H-M @ Feb 8 2006, 11:20 AM)

OK, I have tried it. New EEPROM, new GT, old HDD. I got banned again. So it seems that on an unsuccesful connect caused by a banned EEPROM, your HDD is also put on the ban-list if it was not already.

Right, I think I'm all set to go. Bought a 320GB HDD, flashed my EEPROM, then locked the HDD while not rebooting. That messed up my new HDD. Had that disc returned under warranty, stating that I couldn't get it to work under Windows. Obviously, they couldn't either, so I got a new disc.

So, now I have my XBox with new EEPROM, new HDD and I have a Live trial code for a new GT. That should do it right? Don't want to waste anymore money to get on Live.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: VinnySem on February 10, 2006, 06:50:00 AM

QUOTE(VinnySem @ Feb 6 2006, 09:05 AM)

I'd like to update my previous findings.

I purchased two new virgin eeproms, flashed one to my Xbox. I also swapped the banned HD out for another and moved all my dashboards, apps, backups, etc, to F: to keep C: clean of anything but original Xbox files. I booted without my chip active, recovered my GT, and was able to play on Live! last night for hours without any problem.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Andrewolu on February 10, 2006, 02:24:00 PM

Hey Vinny what should the C and E drives look like when delete apps and stuff.

I don't wanna delete something that's needed for a retail drive by mistake.

Thanks

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on February 28, 2006, 04:48:00 PM

banned is banned, you cant use the stock HD on Live anymore, if you want to keep your gamertag you need to buy a new unbanned stock HD

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: EnterDaMatrix on March 06, 2006, 03:12:00 PM

Okay my understanding is still a little bit cloudy, so I just need someone to confirm this:

I recently decided to softmod my xbox (1.0), and I used Ndure SC installer 1.1. It worked fine. I have XBMC as my main dash on the stock drive with stock EEPROM. I have never been banned. My understanding is, that, if I decide to upgrade my hdd to a 120gb which I bought already, and I use my old EEPROM, I will be banned, as I have played more recently than Nov 9, 2004 (obviously). If I still want to upgrade my hard drive, I will need to get a virgin EEPROM (I have no idea where to get this, a good, reliable place would be much appreciated), and then I will be safe from being banned, using my new 120gb hdd and my unbanned, virgin EEPROM. Also I am using my old xbl account, so would it detect my change in hardware, or is it only a change in one peice of hardware/EEPROM at a time, like same EEPROM different hdd, or same Hdd, different EEPROM. I know already that I will need to cold-boot to play live, that is understood. I would greatly appreciate it if someone could tell me if I am missing anything. I don't want to get banned. Thanks!

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: mat6704 on March 21, 2006, 07:32:00 PM

I hooked up my new larger hdd with the old banned eeprom on my box and tried to get my xyz codes by using the connect option in the network settings of M$ dash. Does that mean the my new larger hdd is banned because I tried to connect to live with the banned eeprom and a different hdd?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: The Reepr on April 26, 2006, 06:55:00 PM

I aggree with this totally, but the ignorant will never accept. Their explanation:
"The Halo Gods Don't Like Me" But again, great article

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on April 29, 2006, 09:25:00 PM

QUOTE(Juniorman030790 @ Apr 29 2006, 06:42 PM)

Ok, somehow I was banned using my upgraded harddrive.
Now that my upgraded harddrive has been caught and banned there is no possible way for that harddrive to ever go on live again, or am I wrong?

What about changing the drive's serial?

nope, no way to get back with that drive

you cant change the drives serial

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Juniorman030790 on May 05, 2006, 04:00:00 PM

Ok, I saw some post where they had all these diff combos of banned and unbanned equipment etc.

Will this setup work for me?

Virgin Eeprom + Brand new upgraded harddrive(never used ever)+ flagged GT= Live works?

I hope so since I just paid $50 for this GT.

By the way. If my GT is flagged. If I get a name change somehow would that make my GT unbanned?

Anyone know a way to convince M$ to change my GT name if i need to?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: lordvader129 on May 05, 2006, 04:05:00 PM

QUOTE(Juniorman030790 @ May 5 2006, 06:07 PM)

i believe the post you are referring to says this

QUOTE

* Single unbanned eeprom + Single unbanned upgrade hdd + Flagged GT = Ban

if your GT is flagged it cannot be used with a non-stock HD

there is no way to unflag a GT, youll have to use a stock HD with it, you can set up a switch to use a stock HD on Live and your upgraded one offline, or get a second xbox for Live purposes

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Juniorman030790 on May 05, 2006, 05:19:00 PM

Ok, well hopefully I can find someone to do a GT trade with. Thanks for the reply.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: MSC843 on May 12, 2006, 09:28:00 PM

After reading about the marriage theory and several different posts about live, I just wanted to make sure I understand everything.

I signed up for live for the first time last Sept. with a brand new Xbox, not modded or changed in anyway. After signing up, from what I've read, my HD and EEPROM were "married".

I just recently had a friend upgrade my HD to 120 GB and install a softmod on the new drive. I assume this means the EEPROM is still the same? Now, with the new HD and if the EEPROM is the same, regardless of whether or not I try to sign on with my old GT or create a brand new one I will be unable to, since the HD and EEPROM do not match, correct? The only way to correct this is to install a new EEPROM to go with the new HD? If installing a new EEPROM is a solution, would I still be able to use my original GT or would I have to create a new one?

Is the reason why you are able to go out and buy a new Xbox or Xbox 360 and use your original gamertag is because the EEPROM and HD are both new and unique? Also, if you have your live account info. stored on a memory unit, would that change anything when trying to sign on to live in any scenario? I don't have a memory unit but was just curious.

I assume the only way at the moment for me to go onto live with my original gamertag is to swap HD's and put the original stock one back in.

For a quick recap again, from my understanding, the only way I can get onto live using my new HD is to update the EEPROM or just swap in the original stock HD back in. If I did update the EEPROM I would be able to go back onto live but am not sure if I could use my old GT or would have to create a new one. Also with a new EEPROM, if I put the original stock HD back in, I would not be able to sign onto live using my original GT or by creating a new one.

Sorry for all of the questions which I'm sure have been answered hundreds of times already. But if anyone can answer any of the questions or provide any additional input, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

This post has been edited by MSC843: May 13 2006, 04:32 AM

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Lemony_Vengeance on May 17, 2006, 05:11:00 PM

ok, I have an equasion for y'all. would this work?

Virgin Xbox + Virgin, Upgraded HDD +used, but unbanned Gamertag = good to go online?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: edwinmcdunlap on June 22, 2006, 09:47:00 AM

QUOTE(Lemony_Vengeance @ May 17 2006, 06:18 PM)

ok, I have an equasion for y'all. would this work?

Virgin Xbox + Virgin, Upgraded HDD +used, but unbanned Gamertag = good to go online?

Yep, you should be fine.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Bladedspork on June 25, 2006, 01:26:00 PM

hey guys I think i might have screwed myself here. I couple months back i softmodded my xbox and intstalled a 250 gig hardrive, I had already went on xbox live with the orginal hardrive and did the update when it came out. since the soft modd I have been on xbox live only for short periods of time an have not been banned, yet. do I still have to get a new eeprom and hardrive if I want to use xbox live for extented periods of time?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: bry_guy12 on August 26, 2006, 04:06:00 AM

Boy do I have a conundrum for you guys. Ok explain this equation:

Married eeprom + spouse retail hard drive = Ban?

Tell me how that's possible.
No mod chip installed
SID 4.5 is the only softmod installed (which you guys should know disables the connecting of xbox live while in use).
Samsung SDG605 VB drive flashed with the hacked firmware

Where in that equation does banning become involved?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: macktruck722 on December 06, 2006, 12:59:00 AM

ok...I've read through all the theories on this...but im coming up with a few scenarios...not sure which one is the right answer here:

I have an xbox with a dead hard drive...unmodded....has been on live...
I want to find a way to repair the xbox to a working state, while still not getting banned from live

Solutions I had come up with

1. Replace motherboard and HDD as a pair from an unbanned unmodded xbox (would rather not spend this much $, though I believe this is a sure fire way to stay unbanned from live)

2. install modchip, install unlocked OEM xbox hard drive, lock drive to original motherboard, remove modchip....use live after....not sure if this will result in ban?

3. create reader to read eeprom off motherboard, lock original unlocked OEM hdd from computer with eeprom, install in xbox...use live.....again not sure how this results?

4. install modchip, install unlocked hd and can't use live anymore

Ideally i'd like options 2 or 3....preferably 3 as its less $

I think that from reading, if the hard drive i get has been on live before it will ban me? but even if it has not i seem to be getting conflicting answers....can someone help clear this up for me? Thanks

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: sidewinder33 on December 06, 2006, 11:40:00 AM

What you need to do is relatively simple. Since you have no wish to have a large hdd. I believe that softmods are more than capable of swapping hdd's, the biggest thing you need to remember is that when you switch hdd's you also need to load a new eeprom. you don't need to change boards I believe that the latest slayers cd have an option to reformat a hdd to the stock state.

But getting there you already sound like you know how, what you need is a new hdd and a new eeprom, if you want to keep your old GT then you need to get a stock 8-10gb Hdd make sure its unlocked then install your new eeprom and lock you hdd. But you will of course lose everything on your old hdd, and you will need to do an account recovery to get your Gamertag back.

There are several options you can take, but you need to be able to load a new eeprom and lock your new formatted hdd.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: macktruck722 on December 06, 2006, 07:14:00 PM

so in other words....the eeprom i have now can not be used on live with any other hardrive, used, or otherwise, it wouldn't even work with a brand new hd?

also..how can i install a softmod if my harddrive is dead....i need the xbox to be able to boot first before I can install any softmod right?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: sidewinder33 on December 06, 2006, 11:22:00 PM

Essentially what we have here is a classic case of marriage theory the only difference is your old hd died. When you first go on live your eeproom and hdd are married and stored with MS. If your eeprom comes on with another hdd then they ban you.

Your right though I dont believe you can install a softmod without a working hdd. I do believe though that the slayer's autoinstaller disc can take a new blank hdd and format it to stock. Then you can install a softmod and change your eeprom, then uninstall your softmod. Modchips are somewhat cumbersome to just install then take back out, but now it is very easy to leave the modchip in and still get on live, so that is always an option, but its up to you.

But I believe that the Slayers Cd will do what you need as it does not need the old hdd in to format, I think. I might be wrong but I think that the cd is what gets booted not a hdd.

Keep in mind that I have not used the autoinstaller but I'm sure if you went to their site here that they could answer that question.

Ok I keep rambling, the only thing Im not sure of is if it will boot to the cd if your hdd is not formatted. Asking around in the evolutionx forum might help you with that also, here is that forum, hope that gets you on you way, and that I haven't just taken up you time.

This post has been edited by sidewinder33: Dec 7 2006, 07:24 AM

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Chancer on December 07, 2006, 03:32:00 AM

QUOTE

I do believe though that the slayer's autoinstaller disc can take a new blank hdd and format it to stock. Then you can install a softmod and change your eeprom, then uninstall your softmod. Modchips are somewhat cumbersome to just install then take back out, but now it is very easy to leave the modchip in and still get on live, so that is always an option, but its up to you.

If you run Slayers you will have a chip fitted so why on earth do you need to softmod the box after.
pointless softmodding the box if it is already modded. You don't need a softmod to flash a new eeprom. Simply install the new HDD format and install with an autoinstaller in the chipped box. Run config magic to load a new eeprom. Don't softmod it as well.

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: sidewinder33 on December 07, 2006, 06:10:00 AM

right now he has a completely stock xbox, installing a chip was one of his options, so he wouldnt have to install a softmod if he did chip it. I was just trying to give him some options so he didnt go through the time of installing a chip just to format the hdd, then take it back out.

Probably should have clarified more (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by sidewinder33: Dec 7 2006, 02:12 PM

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: macktruck722 on December 07, 2006, 06:19:00 PM

allright....let me check if i am understanding this right.....if i get an OEM xbox hard drive with matching eeprom file....

I need to first lock the hard drive from my computer with my existing eeprom? install in xbox so it will boot....can't go on live yet...and then use mechassault savegame hack to boot up evox...flash eeprom with new file...and then lock hard drive with new eeprom file....reboot...and i should be set??

Is that a valid option? is there a way to flash the eeprom from the evox savegame hack...ie can i transfer whatever is needed via FTP and then run it...?

i think this should be a valid method....don't know all the specifics...but am I looking in the right direction now?

Title: Marriage Theory 101
Post by: Rexcellent on January 09, 2007, 04:59:00 PM

New EEPROM, New HD, Clean GT, Coldboot and I Still Got Banned.

I'm just posting to keep other interested people informed. I thought I performed a successful softmod using Krayzies 1.1.1 almost exactly one month ago. Two weeks after the softmod I was still able to play on Live. I didn't play at all last week, but last night I tried to sign on and could not. It asked me if I wanted to start the network troubleshooter. When I did, all the network troubleshooting items worked until it got to the Signing onto Live. Almost instantly, it gave me a message saying that it could not sign on because the Xbox software or hardware appears to have been modified. I don't think I broke any of the rules of "Marriage", but who can be sure in this day and age.

Anyone know if they changed their scanning methods? Does anyone care? My next step will be to flash the old EEPROM and put my old hard drive back into the XBox. I'm quite curious to see what happens next.

If anyone has any comments, I'd be interested to hear them.

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