Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 01:50:00 AM
The Marriage Theory.
When you go on XBL with an XBox MS marries your EEPROM to your HD serial in their database.
If at anytime in the future that marriage is broken (ie EEPROM or HD is changed, but not both) then the EEPROM is banned (and possibly the HD too!)
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A solution would thus be to swap both EEPROM and HD (bummer, but just put your big Xbox HD in your computer and get another big HD)
Further, there is a belief that MS is flagging GamerTags which have been banned, and if this tag is used on an XBox with a non-stock HD, then the XBox will be banned (Both EEPROM and HD). So If you get banned you need to replace your EEPROM and HD with EEPROMS and HDs which XBL has never seen, as well as replace your GamerTag if you want to use a big HD.
(confirmed by MS tech support : http://forums.xbox-s...0)
(slow xbl logins with flagged GTs : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=306498)
(detailed explanation : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=1963940)
(detailed tests : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=308731)
(ydgmms' confirmation : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2038318)
(MS confirmation of stock xbox is fine : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=304652)
(phoenixuk confirms : http://forums.xbox-s...ic=310137&st=30)
(Flagged GT experience : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2224563)
(5 xboxes, 10 eeproms & 7 hard-drives confirmation : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2250003)
(woodster gets banned w/ flagged GT : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2259161)
(flagged gamertags started with Marriage Theory : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2382143)
Further still, the assumption is that MS has been marrying HDs since one of the Live updates, probably in July 2004. If you upgraded your drive before MS started gathering the Marriage details then you should also be fine. MS started banning based on the Marriage data circa November 9th 2004.
(Live 2.0 Rollout Dates + HD scanning article http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=1988809 )
(Live 3.0 Articles at IGN April 21st http://xbox.ign.com/...8/508307p1.html)
(MS on the new Live scans : http://www.forbes.co.../ap1656290.html)
So, based on what I can see
if you are going to use an Xbox on Live and you want to upgrade its HD, Upgrade its HD *BEFORE* you take it on Live for the first time
The rumours that harddrives are being scanned for Halo2 save games, or homebrew software are *completely* unsubstantiated, although it does appear that font-exploits and other soft-mods as well as cheats for XBL games (PGR2) are being scanned for, and are a banning offense. This will not be an issue if you use a modchip and don't cheat
If you do get your xbox + big disk banned you will need to get a new eeprom, hd and gamertag (you only need a new gamertag if you want to use a big disk).
(instructions for unbanning and recovering an xbox : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=299557)
If you really want, you can just give up and use a stock xbox for XBL, and you will be fine for ever more
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UPDATE:
There seem to be enough confirmations to say that my main theory is correct, and also that H2 is not banning people based on HD model numbers, also, people's hard drives are NOT being scanned for their contents!
So, from what I can tell, you only get banned if you swap your HD *after* you first go onto XBL with a given Xbox, since Xbox Live 3.0 or so was unleashed on the world.
If you're planning to upgrade an Xbox's HD, you need to do it before you first connect it to XBL.
And finally, remember to use an XBL blocking BIOS so you don't get banned for having an active modchip! And never run the MS Dash from your modded bios!
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Confirmations:
There have been many confirmations of Marriage Theory, I plan to link to some of the more clear and detailed posts. If you have a clear confirmation which you feel should be linked, please PM me.
3 extensive tests : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=305792
banned then got new eeprom+gt+big disk : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=305867
triple confirmation : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=1998928
Survey results lean towards marriage theory : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=306745
banned then got new eeprom+gt+big disk : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2002170
5 confirmations (2 banned,3 not) : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=1995549
detailed confirmation : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=307503
confirmation, drives are not crosslinked to multiple eeproms : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=308409
MS insider confirms : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=308428
mmacmu1 survey confirms Marriage Theory : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=308083
IntraDream survey confirms Marriage Theory : http://intradream.co...wtopic.php?t=20
confirmation thread : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=308001
double confirmation + support transcript : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=308004
9 confirmations! (3 bans, 6 unbans) http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=309595
Team Xecuter supports Marriage Theory : http://www.xbox-scen...pEFqmSCCwfD.php
thorough confirmations : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=331793
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Drive Cross-Referencing
It appears you can use an unbanned but not virgin HD with a virgin EEPROM but you can't use a non-virgin EEPROM with a different HD (without copying the drive 'disk.bin' info from one to the other)
(Drives aren't being cross-refrenced :
http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2049500)
(6 weeks and still good : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2176441)
(large HDs work too : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2193001)
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local marriage theory seems to be a crock.
A new theory which is a refinement to the original Marriage Theory has been floated recently, and successful test results are just beginning to come in.
UPDATE: there have been no successful confirmations in a long time, i think the theory might be a crock.
The theory is that MS marries the EEPROM to the HD by writing metadata onto the HD in a part which doesn't get erased by normal formatting (the partition table). If at a later date you connect to live and this data is not there when it should be, or is there when it shouldn't be, or is wrong, then you get banned.
This is an interesting theory because :
1) it explains the results the original Marriage Theory predicts, and
2) it also explains some results that the original Marriage Theory doesn't predict! and
3) it predicts that you can possibly get back on live without acquiring an XBL Virgin HD!
You should be able to virginize your current HD and thus get back on live by rewriting the partition table with a partition table from a virgin stock drive (or just low-level formatting the drive with a program like autoclave).
You can write the partition table using Slayer's EvoX installer's "Prepare New HD" (3b2) option which runs the evox command 'configsector "disk.bin"' to load a partition table from a virgin stock drive (stored in the disk.bin file)
So, the (not 100% confirmed) steps to getting back onto live are
1) get new eeprom
2) re-virginize HD using Slayer's or autoclave (etc)
3) get a new gamertag if your HD is not stock (ie originally shipped inside an xbox by MS)
(LinoX initial post : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2024516)
(confirmation: http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2035794)
(revirginizing : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2071375)
(slyt fix confirmation : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2074361)
(possible refutation : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=339221)
(fire and slayer auto-install problems : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=338957)
(disk.bin format confirmation : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=341832)
(how to revirginize : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2230602)
(another refutation : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2239796)
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Xboxdash.xbe Must Be The MS Dash:
There is a lot of evidence to suggest that the c:\xboxdash.xbe file *must* be the official MS Dashboard or you will probably get banned. Many people mis-install their hacked dash by renaming their xboxdash to something else, say msxboxdash.xbe, then installing their hacked dash as "xboxdash.xbe". DO NOT DO THIS! You will probably get banned.
A better approach is to use a bios which can load hacked dashes from alternate locations, such as c:\avalaunch.xbe or c:\evoxdash.xbe.
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Mundane Bans:
It seems that with all the attention the new banning systems are receiving newbies are forgetting (or not realizing) about the more mundane methods used for detecting modded xboxs!
You can not go on live with a hacked BIOS as it will be detected and you will be banned. This means you can not play backed up games on live! So you must load your retail kernel to go on live, and to load your retail kernel, your xbox's HD must be locked.
Also, some live games will connect to live automatically so you must use an XBL Blocking BIOS to prevent this, other wise you can get banned without realising it. BUT an XBL Blocking BIOS normally does not prevent the MS dash from connecting to Live, so you MUST NOT use the MS Dash when booted off your hacked BIOS. Nor must you update the dashboard, which will also connect to live, and some modern games will do this without asking. You can even get an XBL blocking BIOS for 1.6 xboxes, so you really have no excuse not to use one.
It is also suggested to set a passcode on your XBL account, which will help prevent accidentally logging in to Live.
If MS sends you an email informing you that you've had your XBL account cancelled that is not actually the same as a ban, its actually worse, and normally happens for swearing, making insulting remarks, cheating, or playing pirated Halo2 on Live.
(Bungie on cheating/abuse related bans : http://bungie.net/Ne...eeklywhatsjan14)
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Tell Me About EEPROMs?:
The EEPROM is a small chip on your Xbox motherboard which holds 256bytes of important information, including your Serial Number, MAC address, HD Unlock Key, Video Mode, Etc. When someone says "get a new EEPROM" they actually mean getting a copy of someone elses' EEPROM data, and replacing the data on your EEPROM with that data. If you get a new motherboard, you have a new physical EEPROM.
You can buy EEPROMs for 5-10USD from sellers in the Buy/Sell forum
(xbox-scene buy/sell forum : http://forums.xbox-s...hp?showforum=12)
(zodiiak's unbanned EEPROMs : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=143336)
BTW, as a modder, you should always backup your EEPROM data.
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Alternative Theories:
There are a number of alternative theories floating around, IMHO Marriage Theory is the most plausible theory which has the most correct predictions and has stood up the best, I reckon there are probably some other causes of bans, which then lead to a flagged GamerTag and thus extensive scanning, but on the whole, Marriage Theory is the major thing to be aware of.
(summary of the current theories floating around : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=1994396)
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Account Recovery Speculation:
There is a theory that you can prevent a Marriage Theory related ban which is going to happen, but which hasn't happened yet, by performing an account recovery before actually getting banned. As far as we know, this is not true.
(account recovery refutation : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2002938)
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If you want to link to this post use this URL : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=304652
Post by: zackery on November 11, 2004, 02:41:00 AM
here are my specs
xbox ver 1.0
xecuter 2.2 lite
40 gig hard drive
I upgraded my hard drive about a year ago and then purchased xbox live. I have been playing halo 2 on xbox live since it came out and have not been banned yet. So this either proves your marriage theroy or m$ is banning people in waves. Either way I'm going to wait until we have more information on this situation to get back on xbox live.
oh yeah and i still have my first eprom. I've never had to get a new one.
This post has been edited by zackery: Nov 11 2004, 11:08 AM
Post by: jabberwock on November 11, 2004, 02:59:00 AM
Personally.. I've changed my EEPROM twice since joining live though not since January (Had a large HD installed already). Last night i went on to live.. did the update... and not banned, though will have to see what happens in due course. Can't check till Sunday though.
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 03:11:00 AM
So, yes, it looks like the checking doesn't go back all the way to the beginning of time
January should be okay I think, May... well... may be okay? I'm not sure of an exact date yet, the figure "8 months" has been floated.
Does anyone know when the Live 2.0 update came out?
Post by: zackery on November 11, 2004, 03:14:00 AM
Post by: Zero-One on November 11, 2004, 03:15:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 11 2004, 12:07 PM) |
| We're currently assuming that as long as you made the changes before the last major Live update (Live 2.0?) then you're safe So, yes, it looks like the checking doesn't go back all the way to the beginning of time January should be okay I think, May... well... may be okay? I'm not sure of an exact date yet, the figure "8 months" has been floated. Does anyone know when the Live 2.0 update came out? |
may/june... not sure i did not played a lot those days...
Post by: Diablo1399 on November 11, 2004, 03:20:00 AM
I had a modded Xbox with a 120gig HDD installed. Last night, I was able to play Halo2 on Live with no problems. Today, it won't let me connect -- either through Halo or the dashboard.
Note well: I have not actually been banned. I just get a network error when I try to connect to Live, and the troubleshooter gives me a "modified Xbox error".
HOWEVER, one thing strikes me as interesting -- I get the network error instantly. There's no delay as it tries to connect to Live. This leads me to believe that the HHD/EEPROM comparison is being done LOCALLY ie on your Xbox, not over Live.
I still have my original HDD, and I bet I could connect to Live if I installed it, but it's not locked, and my modchip currently isn't working, so I can't lock it.
Can anyone else confirm if the new HDD check is being done locally and not over Live (by using a packet sniffer or something to see if the Xbox communicates with Live before it refuses to connect)?
This post has been edited by Diablo1399: Nov 11 2004, 11:26 AM
Post by: Zero-One on November 11, 2004, 03:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (Diablo1399 @ Nov 11 2004, 12:16 PM) |
| Okay, here's what happened to me: I had a modded Xbox with a 120gig HDD installed. Last night, I was able to play Halo2 on Live with no problems. Today, it won't let me connect -- either through Halo or the dashboard. Note well: I have not actually been banned. I just get a network error when I try to connect to Live, and the troubleshooter gives me a "modified Xbox error". HOWEVER, one thing strikes me as interesting -- I get the network error instantly. There's no delay as it tries to connect to Live. This leads me to believe that the HHD/EEPROM comparison is being done LOCALLY ie on your Xbox, not over Live. I still have my original HDD, and I bet I could connect to Live if I installed it, but it's not locked, and my modchip currently isn't working. Can anyone else confirm if the new HDD check is being done locally and not over Live (by using a packet sniffer or something to see if the Xbox communicates with Live before it refuses to connect)? |
maybe the ban is remote but you get the error locally. someone reported that a new file was sent into e:/, the purpose of this file existance is unknow.
the name was nicname.xbl (or xbn i dont remenber)
can you chack that?
maybe you are banned and your xbox remember it locally using saves or files.
Post by: zackery on November 11, 2004, 03:32:00 AM
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 03:37:00 AM
| QUOTE (Zero-One @ Nov 11 2004, 12:25 PM) |
| maybe the ban is remote but you get the error locally. someone reported that a new file was sent into e:/, the purpose of this file existance is unknow. the name was nicname.xbl (or xbn i dont remenber) can you chack that? maybe you are banned and your xbox remember it locally using saves or files. |
The nickname file normally holds your Xbox's nickname, ie the one that appears when you run a system link game of Halo
Post by: kyu81 on November 11, 2004, 03:54:00 AM
I had xbox with 160gb in it and recently i switched my motherboard(still same hdd). I think last time I used live with old xbox was around mid April (not so sure) and i think major live update was around mid April. After I swirched my motherboard, I logged into live w/o a problem(like 2 weeks ago). I am getting halo2 today and I am reluctant to try. Do u think I might get banned?
Post by: ricjax99 on November 11, 2004, 04:32:00 AM
If MS married the HD serial to the EEPROM, what happens to people who quite legitimately had their Xbox HD replaced due to a failure and already had a Live account with their old HD.
Should MS class a person who had an xbox repaired by someone other than MS themselves as a a criminal?? NO, Would they........................???!?
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on November 11, 2004, 04:43:00 AM
| QUOTE (ricjax99 @ Nov 11 2004, 01:28 PM) |
| I'm a 99.9% newb to modded xbox's but i would like to add something to your intresting discussion. If MS married the HD serial to the EEPROM, what happens to people who quite legitimately had their Xbox HD replaced due to a failure and already had a Live account with their old HD. Should MS class a person who had an xbox repaired by someone other than MS themselves as a a criminal?? NO, Would they........................???!? |
they would have a new hard drive.. therefore, would have to reinstall live and it may then have a new set of numbers associated to it.
which is why im wondering if i format to a clean MS dash and re create a new xbox live tag with a new eeprom if i would be ok.
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 04:49:00 AM
| QUOTE (kyu81 @ Nov 11 2004, 12:50 PM) |
| hmme I was just wondering would I get banned ? I had xbox with 160gb in it and recently i switched my motherboard(still same hdd). I think last time I used live with old xbox was around mid April (not so sure) and i think major live update was around mid April. After I swirched my motherboard, I logged into live w/o a problem(like 2 weeks ago). I am getting halo2 today and I am reluctant to try. Do u think I might get banned? |
Yes, I think you might be lucky, but am interested to know what will happen. Basically it depends on whether you ever used the 160GB HD on Live after they started marrying them.
Switching motherboards is just like switching EEPROMs
Be interested to know what happens... Good luck.
This post has been edited by Gumba: Nov 11 2004, 12:51 PM
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 04:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (ILLusions0fGrander @ Nov 11 2004, 01:39 PM) |
| they would have a new hard drive.. therefore, would have to reinstall live and it may then have a new set of numbers associated to it. which is why im wondering if i format to a clean MS dash and re create a new xbox live tag with a new eeprom if i would be ok. |
I think they would get banned, unless MS did the install.
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 05:07:00 AM
Recovering from a ban
More detailed instructions for recovering an xbox which has been banned can be found in the follwowing thread : http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=299557
This post has been edited by Gumba: Nov 11 2004, 01:09 PM
Post by: ricjax99 on November 11, 2004, 05:15:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 11 2004, 01:49 PM) |
| I think they would get banned, unless MS did the install. |
So even if you could fix the problem yourself or get a local electrician to fix it, MS have to fix your box!!
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 05:10:00 AM
| QUOTE (ricjax99 @ Nov 11 2004, 02:11 PM) |
| So even if you could fix the problem yourself or get a local electrician to fix it, MS have to fix your box!! |
Unless you update your EEPROM at the same time.
That's the theory anywho
feel free to prove it either way
Post by: PhatheadWRX on November 11, 2004, 05:30:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 11 2004, 02:13 PM) |
| Unless you update your EEPROM at the same time. That's the theory anywho feel free to prove it either way |
I modded a friends box w/ Chip/HD. He flashed the chip wrong (after I moved away). I told him just to get it running to remove chip and replace Original HD.
He had never been banned before.
Now he is banned.
So yes, even if you put your Xbox back to Stock w/o changing the EEPROM, you will be banned.
Post by: jaminbird on November 11, 2004, 06:05:00 AM
i currently have a 1.1 with a matrix and a 120gb HD, i installed live back when it first came out long before i modded my box. I have been playing H2 on live for almost 3 days now and so far no ban.
Post by: jabberwock on November 11, 2004, 06:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (jaminbird @ Nov 11 2004, 03:01 PM) |
| my 2 cents: i currently have a 1.1 with a matrix and a 120gb HD, i installed live back when it first came out long before i modded my box. I have been playing H2 on live for almost 3 days now and so far no ban. |
The question is: Have you ever changed your HD or EEPROM and if so, when?
Post by: jaminbird on November 11, 2004, 06:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (jabberwock @ Nov 11 2004, 03:12 PM) |
| The question is: Have you ever changed your HD or EEPROM and if so, when? |
Obviously i have changed my hd since 120gb HD's do not come stock in XBOX's and no i have never changed my epprom. As for your second question i changed out the stock hard drive less then a month ago. However prior to swapping my HD i had not used xbox live in over a year.
Post by: Soupy on November 11, 2004, 06:35:00 AM
I haven't played Halo 2 at all, but I've not had a single problem with NFL 2k5 on Live. No ban here. So in my experience, the OP's theory holds up.
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 06:38:00 AM
| QUOTE (jaminbird @ Nov 11 2004, 03:25 PM) |
| Obviously i have changed my hd since 120gb HD's do not come stock in XBOX's and no i have never changed my epprom. As for your second question i changed out the stock hard drive less then a month ago. However prior to swapping my HD i had not used xbox live in over a year. |
Yes, I believe the HDs have only begun being tracked from a few months ago, most likely when Live 2.0 came out, which is less than a year ago, so from XBL's perspective you've always had a 120GB drive, and are thus fine.
Post by: solid7x2 on November 11, 2004, 06:42:00 AM
Post by: qBaz on November 11, 2004, 06:56:00 AM
I'm banned currently, with a Xenium ICE and a stock drive. I have a new EEPROM waiting to go in, a non-stock 30gig harddrive on my shelf, and a stock hard drive coming to me via ebay. I'm currently on a 2-month free subscription, but I'm not so attached to my GT that I won't give it up.
Question is -- what's my best path to success, here? Replace my banned drive with the stock drive or non-stock? Sign up for a new GT or attempt to get my old one back?
I'm assuming the absolutely safest way to go would be to put in a new (stock) HD, new eeprom, _and_ new GT. Has there been any hard data to suggest that M$ is checking HD size for newly signed up GamerTags? I'd love to put a larger drive into play, but there's enough paranoia floating around these forums to make me leery...
Post by: basso4735 on November 11, 2004, 07:00:00 AM
Post by: Angerwound on November 11, 2004, 07:04:00 AM
Post by: eisfeld2k1 on November 11, 2004, 07:06:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Sorry to burst your bubble but they are checking the xboxdash.xbe file |
What does that mean ??
I got banned at the very beginning of xbox live, and got my new eeprom last year.
Since then i'm playing xbox live still with the original HDD.
If i would believe the marrige theory i sould not get banned right ?
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 07:05:00 AM
| QUOTE (qBaz @ Nov 11 2004, 03:52 PM) |
| I'd love to help provide some data, though I'd prefer not to get myself re-banned while doing it, natch. I'm banned currently, with a Xenium ICE and a stock drive. I have a new EEPROM waiting to go in, a non-stock 30gig harddrive on my shelf, and a stock hard drive coming to me via ebay. I'm currently on a 2-month free subscription, but I'm not so attached to my GT that I won't give it up. Question is -- what's my best path to success, here? Replace my banned drive with the stock drive or non-stock? Sign up for a new GT or attempt to get my old one back? I'm assuming the absolutely safest way to go would be to put in a new (stock) HD, new eeprom, _and_ new GT. Has there been any hard data to suggest that M$ is checking HD size for newly signed up GamerTags? I'd love to put a larger drive into play, but there's enough paranoia floating around these forums to make me leery... |
Yes, I would install the new drive, new eeprom and a new GT.
Re: the GamerTagf flagging and the related HD checking, I think there has been a lot of evidence to suggest that this is happening.
ie if someone replaces their eeprom and installs a virgin stock hd, then they can keep on using their old GT. If they then replaced their eeprom again, and installed a new non-stock virgin HD, then they get banned. repeat, but with a new GT... no ban.
That's good enough for me
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 07:14:00 AM
| QUOTE (eisfeld2k1 @ Nov 11 2004, 04:02 PM) |
| What does that mean ?? I got banned at the very beginning of xbox live, and got my new eeprom last year. Since then i'm playing xbox live still with the original HDD. If i would believe the marrige theory i sould not get banned right ? |
I think that's right,
you will get banned if you upgrade your hd, without changing your eeprom and gamertag.
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 07:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (Angerwound @ Nov 11 2004, 04:00 PM) |
| Sorry to burst your bubble but they are checking the xboxdash.xbe file. |
You'd have to be an idiot to have xboxdash.xbe be anything except the MS Dash anyway... it gets replaced everytime there's a dashboard upgrade.
Post by: Fofer on November 11, 2004, 07:52:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 11 2004, 12:07 PM) |
| We're currently assuming that as long as you made the changes before the last major Live update (Live 2.0?) then you're safe So, yes, it looks like the checking doesn't go back all the way to the beginning of time January should be okay I think, May... well... may be okay? I'm not sure of an exact date yet, the figure "8 months" has been floated. Does anyone know when the Live 2.0 update came out? |
I'm gonna peg the rollout day a bit earlier
March 9:
http://spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=6301
March 16
http://asia.cnet.com/news/personaltech/0,39037091,39172102,00.htm
Around the same time, this magazine scan made the rounds, and folks laughed it off as complete and total BS. (Wishful thinking, perhaps???)
http://www.smartxx.com/news/modsonlive.jpg
I don't think we can laugh anymore though...
Post by: Fofer on November 11, 2004, 07:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (Angerwound @ Nov 11 2004, 04:00 PM) |
| Sorry to burst your bubble but they are checking the xboxdash.xbe file. |
Checking the xboxdash.xbe file for WHAT?
Most modders don't bother touching that.
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 08:13:00 AM
| QUOTE (Fofer @ Nov 11 2004, 04:48 PM) |
| I'm gonna peg the rollout day a bit earlier March 9: http://spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=6301 March 16 http://asia.cnet.com/news/personaltech/0,39037091,39172102,00.htm Around the same time, this magazine scan made the rounds, and folks laughed it off as complete and total BS. (Wishful thinking, perhaps???) http://www.smartxx.com/news/modsonlive.jpg I don't think we can laugh anymore though... |
Yeay a date
Some more 'good news' for the cause http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=304773&st=0&#entry1988852 more or less totally confirms the GamerTag gets flagged hypothesis.
So, we have a pair of theories and a date
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 08:21:00 AM
I'm pretty much happy to say its more or less complete now
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?act=ST&f=53&t=304652&st=0#entry1988152
Post by: cryptic on November 11, 2004, 08:29:00 AM
Just my 2 cents !!!!!!!
M$ Sucks
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 08:37:00 AM
| QUOTE (cryptic @ Nov 11 2004, 05:25 PM) |
| I think your all wrong they are checking something that hasn't been thought of yet i just got banded yesterday my setup is xecuter 2 pro xblive blocking bios upgraded and locked hard for about 2+ years about a year before i signed on to xblive all games, apps, dashboards are on F: partition only thing they could probably see is that my drive is not the one from the factory or that i have saves that don't belong like XBMC and such everyone that is still ok is probably just on the list and will be banned soon enough! Just my 2 cents !!!!!!! M$ Sucks |
Have you ever been banned before? Do you cheat on Xbox Live? Are you sure you didn't just make a mundane error and load the new MS Dash while your mod-chip was active (XBL Blockers don't sometimes block the MS Dash, just games)
Post by: gottimanu on November 11, 2004, 08:42:00 AM
Ive modded my xbox 2 month ago: thats what i did:
1st installed a tsop switch (x2-498x /original m$)
2nd burned a software cd (with dashes /programms etc...) to have no unsigned /other files on my hdd
3rd:every time before i went online ive checked with the data manager if i have some files on the hd.
4th: checked savegames for some "illegal" entries befor i go online
this went for 2 months well but now i got banned.
WHY???? i have the stock hdd (8gb) and NO files on it!!!!!
WHY!!!!!!!!!!!
fuck m$
Post by: gottimanu on November 11, 2004, 08:43:00 AM
| QUOTE (cryptic @ Nov 11 2004, 05:25 PM) |
| I think your all wrong they are checking something that hasn't been thought of yet i just got banded yesterday my setup is xecuter 2 pro xblive blocking bios upgraded and locked hard for about 2+ years about a year before i signed on to xblive all games, apps, dashboards are on F: partition only thing they could probably see is that my drive is not the one from the factory or that i have saves that don't belong like XBMC and such everyone that is still ok is probably just on the list and will be banned soon enough! Just my 2 cents !!!!!!! M$ Sucks |
the x2 bios u mean is the 4983 i think and its not available since 2 months!
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 08:47:00 AM
| QUOTE (gottimanu @ Nov 11 2004, 05:38 PM) |
| ok im this situation: Ive modded my xbox 2 month ago: thats what i did: 1st installed a tsop switch (x2-498x /original m$) 2nd burned a software cd (with dashes /programms etc...) to have no unsigned /other files on my hdd 3rd:every time before i went online ive checked with the data manager if i have some files on the hd. 4th: checked savegames for some "illegal" entries befor i go online this went for 2 months well but now i got banned. WHY???? i have the stock hdd (8gb) and NO files on it!!!!! WHY!!!!!!!!!!! fuck m$ |
My guess would be that you ran the MS Dashboard with a hacked bios and it connect to live. And you got banned for a mundane reason.
Post by: Salvage13 on November 11, 2004, 08:48:00 AM
Post by: cryptic on November 11, 2004, 09:03:00 AM
you can't launch ms dash when chip is turned on unless you browsed to it though XBMC and no one in my house knows how to do that ! i'm telling you this database is probably from the factory they know model and serial of the hard drive you should have and this is now being migrated into the xbox live security
Post by: Fofer on November 11, 2004, 09:04:00 AM
| QUOTE (Salvage13 @ Nov 11 2004, 05:44 PM) |
| Need some help. I signed up for xbox Live using my Stock 8GB HD back in 2002 when xbox live first came out. Did they record my HD Seriel number or when did they start keeping track. I Upgraded to a larger HD in 2003, played Live for weeks with no problems. I know i upgrade the hardrive before MS Dashboard 2.0 , Am i safe from the ban? |
Dunno... why don't YOU tell us?
If everyone's afraid to log in to test, we'll never figure anything out. And M$ wins either way.
I can totally see them reading these forums today and laughing their a$$es off.
Post by: a_madman on November 11, 2004, 09:07:00 AM
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 09:10:00 AM
| QUOTE (Salvage13 @ Nov 11 2004, 05:44 PM) |
| Need some help. I signed up for xbox Live using my Stock 8GB HD back in 2002 when xbox live first came out. Did they record my HD Seriel number or when did they start keeping track. I Upgraded to a larger HD in 2003, played Live for weeks with no problems. I know i upgrade the hardrive before MS Dashboard 2.0 , Am i safe from the ban? |
I think so, tell us your results
Post by: solid7x2 on November 11, 2004, 09:11:00 AM
I cant figure out why I was banned except that I had files on C and E although im not even sure if thats possible
if you have a modded xbox on live, just accept the fact that there is a posibility u will get banned even if you are careful... its part of the 'game' we play with M$.
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 09:14:00 AM
| QUOTE (a_madman @ Nov 11 2004, 06:03 PM) |
| If you have upgraded your hdd, and played XBL on both the stock hdd and the new upgraded one (resulting in a ban), are both hdd's affected? If you get a new EEPROM, could you use either of these hdd's or are they both banned? |
The theory says they're both banned, but it all depends on the dates and stuff.
Post by: awsmsteve on November 11, 2004, 09:17:00 AM
Post by: cryptic on November 11, 2004, 09:10:00 AM
Post by: mrjkwik on November 11, 2004, 09:37:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| I think your all wrong they are checking something that hasn't been thought of yet i just got banded yesterday my setup is xecuter 2 pro xblive blocking bios upgraded and locked hard for about 2+ years about a year before i signed on to xblive all games, apps, dashboards are on F: partition only thing they could probably see is that my drive is not the one from the factory or that i have saves that don't belong like XBMC and such everyone that is still ok is probably just on the list and will be banned soon enough! Just my 2 cents !!!!!!! M$ Sucks grr.gif |
so you had this set up BEFORE you ever signed up for live, right?
at anypoint after that, have you changed ANYTHING about it. as in a dvd drive swap, or remformatted the hdd?
Post by: jshorr on November 11, 2004, 10:02:00 AM
Is it possible that the marriage theory is correct but that in addition it is also checking other things. A user on another thread said that he had a modded xbox that he modded after signing up to XBL fine and he got it banned by copying a non-ms font file onto his C drive. Someone else (can't remember if it was you or someone else) got a box banned by switching the hard drive. Can't it be more than one thing?
Post by: RoCk-Box on November 11, 2004, 10:03:00 AM
Post by: FreakInvasion on November 11, 2004, 10:11:00 AM
Post by: solid7x2 on November 11, 2004, 10:08:00 AM
Who knows, M$ may have a new 'team' of people working on this kind of stuff, and every month come up with a new update...
Post by: jshorr on November 11, 2004, 10:28:00 AM
| QUOTE (solid7x2 @ Nov 11 2004, 07:11 PM) |
| Who knows, M$ may have a new 'team' of people working on this kind of stuff, and every month come up with a new update... |
that's really the downside to holding out and not getting a new xbox. I kind of like the way my box is set up now, and if I'm going to be changing eeproms and hd's if I get banned and do whatever I can to get back online only to have them do something else and ban me again. I sort of feel like if MS really wants modders banned (and not just cheaters) that there really won't be a way around it for very long....if they aren't especially trying to ban modders then it may be possible to figure out what they are looking for that they THINK people might use to cheat...
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 10:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (jshorr @ Nov 11 2004, 06:58 PM) |
| Gumba, Is it possible that the marriage theory is correct but that in addition it is also checking other things. A user on another thread said that he had a modded xbox that he modded after signing up to XBL fine and he got it banned by copying a non-ms font file onto his C drive. Someone else (can't remember if it was you or someone else) got a box banned by switching the hard drive. Can't it be more than one thing? |
Yes, totally possible.
Probable even
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 10:31:00 AM
| QUOTE (RoCk-Box @ Nov 11 2004, 07:06 PM) |
| heres my situation , i have a 80 gig hd that has never seen live , and an eeprom that has never seen live , can i format this 80 gig hd and put new eeprom on my xbox and be okay onlive , or do i need a new gamertag also? |
If you have been banned, then the gamertag you were using at the time would've been flagged, and will no longer be able to be used with non-stock HDs.
Post by: cryptic on November 11, 2004, 10:31:00 AM
| QUOTE (mrjkwik @ Nov 11 2004, 01:33 PM) |
| so you had this set up BEFORE you ever signed up for live, right? at anypoint after that, have you changed ANYTHING about it. as in a dvd drive swap, or remformatted the hdd? |
No I never had to just changed software around
Post by: firebomb on November 11, 2004, 10:24:00 AM
Then also sniff when you log into xbl, see what it does.
I'd try it, but i've been on live for a bit, wouldnt work out.
If not, it would be interesting to see what goes back and forth during initial setup.
Post by: Kopite_84 on November 11, 2004, 10:37:00 AM
I switch off my chip. Have the original Hard Drive that came with my XBOX (Packed with stuff on all partitions) and as of yet, I have not been banned.
I fear it's only a matter of time. Would be harsh.
So, Peole are connecting fine even with all the stuff on C and other partitions?
Post by: rob_ocelot on November 11, 2004, 10:43:00 AM
| QUOTE (jabberwock @ Nov 11 2004, 12:02 PM) |
| From what i've gathered your theory seems quite probable at the moment. One thing though... do we know that it is on your first connection to live that MS take your EEPROM and HD serial OR could it be just at a given time when MS started checking XBoxes (via a a live update maybe, or otherwise). Are there people who have made changes to EEPROM and hard drives since joining live but not not for some time and are not banned? Personally.. I've changed my EEPROM twice since joining live though not since January (Had a large HD installed already). Last night i went on to live.. did the update... and not banned, though will have to see what happens in due course. Can't check till Sunday though. |
I personally think that the if the marriaging was done it was done via an update earlier this year.
I was banned twice around Xmas last year and reflashed to a new EEPROM both times. I haven't been banned since, and was not banned on the 9th. I originally modded my xbox before going on live with an Xecuter2.1 lite+ and an 80 gig Seagate Barricuda. There are alternate dashboards on my main hd partition, and I'm using a BIOS that does not allow Live access.
If the marriage was done when I signed on live last October then I should have been banned on the 9th (and still might be, we'll see) because my EEPROM and HD should not match up.
Post by: the_bond on November 11, 2004, 11:51:00 AM
My only guesses are that u can still go online with a stock HDD that was never banned even though it was in the database. Another conclusion can be that MS startaed saving XBOX serial and HDD info after when i logged in initially.
Post by: proline09 on November 11, 2004, 12:12:00 PM
)I signed up for Xbox live nearly a year ago, it'll be a year at the end of this month. I installed a Xecuter 2.3 lite and a 100 gig Western Digital around Februray, maybe March...anyways, I've been on XBL with no problems, watching all my friends play Halo 2 ::sniffle:: since I haven't got my copy yet. I think we're definetly catching onto something. I was on XBL before I modded my Xbox, BUT I did it a while back, I think its safe to say that their was some kind of update that started recording this "marriage" data, in the past few months. My only worry is that Halo 2 has something to do with it, when I get it though, I'm going on LIVE, and if I do get banned,not only will I cry, but I'll know why I got banned. I should be getting Halo 2 in a few days, so for now all I can do is wait.
Post by: bkc82 on November 11, 2004, 12:28:00 PM
Post by: h1tman on November 11, 2004, 12:29:00 PM
Post by: Vipernig on November 11, 2004, 01:15:00 PM
I have a xbox 1.0 with a 120GB Maxtor, X2.2 with 4981(live blocker) using avalaunch with C: clean and In E: i have a extra Movies folder with Divx and Porn..... I modded my box in July 2003....I was on Live since lauch and cancelled November 2003 after the mod...and HDD change. And i have been back and forth on live woth 2 month free trials ever since. I have never been banned.
Now.....I have been playing Halo 2 Since lauch on Live and have not been banned either.
So i am here to confirm that if you have an older box with a modded locked HD.....and you have never been banned that you can go on live just fine.
After all the readings that I have done.....I am 99% sure that the people that got banned after unbanning with just a clean EEPROM got banned again because of they had the same HD. Now......HD serials are married with EEPROM. And it is safe to assume that it is one of the updates in the past 6month that actually made this possible. What we need to know is that if MS marries EEPROMS and HDD of the factory.....which I dont think so.
One thing is for sure. When ever you log on LIVE your HD and EEPROm get married and none of them should be ever changed again. What I suggest to the the people who want a bigger hardrive is to change the HD and EEPROM and KEEP A CLEAN C & E.
Try to get and older EEPROM. And you should be Fine. If you still get banned then this either means that the EEPROM was a newer one and might have been married to another HD at the Factory or you transfered a Hacked save file.
Good luck people
PS. Dont forget to get rid of everything that is not supporsed to be there in C E and Cache. Yes that includes your hacked saves and your downloaded content which is signed by your old EEPROM , which can be a very good and likely condition to get banned.
Post by: argon720 on November 11, 2004, 02:22:00 PM
I have two xbox's
1st the all orginal xbox (it connects fine)
W: 0000-000B
X: 0000-F001
Y: 00A8-4860
Z:0000-0000
NOW THE MODDED XBOX (X2.2, 4983)
First a few things
i never used LIVE with my modchip on and i have never replaced my eeprom
The first time i ever used LIVE was with my 200 gb harddrive
Now when the new banning scare came out, i figure that ms was was searching the hd for files that shouldn't be there. So i got out my orginal hd and made sure it didn't have any non-orginal xbox files on it. i used live with the orginal hd for about a day and today i find that when i log on to LIVE that I have been banned ("software or hardware may have been modified")
Modded xbox with orginal hd(BANNED)
W: 0000-000B
X: 0000-F001
Y: 00A8-6860
Z:8015-190D
Same Modded xbox with the 200 GB hd
W:0000-000B
X:0000-F001
Y:008A-0FE0
Z:AFFF-0018
Now I don't know if the 200 gb is banned
i get the message that the xbox couldn't connect to Live and to check router settings, and call my local isp
I hoping that this is useful info about the marriage theory.
I'm just wondering why i don't get the same banned message when i use my 200 GB hd. Is my xbox banned when i use the 200 GB hd or do I have different problems.
Post by: mrjkwik on November 11, 2004, 02:25:00 PM
Got a question for you. Do you think they are running a program to scan the harddrives firmware to get the serial, or just scanning the eeprom to get it?
If they scan the eeprom, they also have access to other harddware changes, correct?
If an eeprom updates the hardware (mine had detected when i changed the dvd and hdd), what isnt changed? in otherwords, is your xbox serial locked to the eeprom, and that is why a new eeprom is needed. because then you have a new xbox serial and hdd combo?
Thanks.
Post by: cap269 on November 11, 2004, 02:26:00 PM
Post by: a_madman on November 11, 2004, 02:35:00 PM
http://forums.xbox-s...T&f=53&t=305037
Post by: appleguru on November 11, 2004, 04:43:00 PM
| QUOTE (argon720 @ Nov 11 2004, 05:18 PM) |
| HOPE THIS HELPS I have two xbox's 1st the all orginal xbox (it connects fine) W: 0000-000B X: 0000-F001 Y: 00A8-4860 Z:0000-0000 NOW THE MODDED XBOX (X2.2, 4983) First a few things i never used LIVE with my modchip on and i have never replaced my eeprom The first time i ever used LIVE was with my 200 gb harddrive Now when the new banning scare came out, i figure that ms was was searching the hd for files that shouldn't be there. So i got out my orginal hd and made sure it didn't have any non-orginal xbox files on it. i used live with the orginal hd for about a day and today i find that when i log on to LIVE that I have been banned ("software or hardware may have been modified") Modded xbox with orginal hd(BANNED) W: 0000-000B X: 0000-F001 Y: 00A8-6860 Z:8015-190D Same Modded xbox with the 200 GB hd W:0000-000B X:0000-F001 Y:008A-0FE0 Z:AFFF-0018 Now I don't know if the 200 gb is banned i get the message that the xbox couldn't connect to Live and to check router settings, and call my local isp I hoping that this is useful info about the marriage theory. I'm just wondering why i don't get the same banned message when i use my 200 GB hd. Is my xbox banned when i use the 200 GB hd or do I have different problems. |
Now that's good news! If this is true then it sounds like they're not banning eeproms for a non-married HDD, but instead are only banning HDDs... If this is true, then putting the drive back in that was in when you originally signed up with LIVE may fix your problem, and allow you to get back on live without even a new eeprom. Can anyone else confirm this? 8)
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 05:11:00 PM
| QUOTE (the_bond @ Nov 11 2004, 08:54 PM) |
| i m on with a fresh Eeprom now more than a week. I m using my old stock HDD that was used initially with my original Eeprom. Yes, when i was banned i had a different HDD. If marriage was done than i would've got banned with this new Eeprom as they should've known by now that the HDD was used one year ago by some other XBOX. My only guesses are that u can still go online with a stock HDD that was never banned even though it was in the database. Another conclusion can be that MS startaed saving XBOX serial and HDD info after when i logged in initially. |
We're currently assuming they started saving HD info with the Live 2.0 udpate, which I believe, happened in March 2004 sometime.
Post by: zblack on November 11, 2004, 05:15:00 PM
purchased an Xbox in November of '03 and began using LIVE immediately
spring (summer?) of '04 I installed an Xecuter Lite chip and all the popular apps and emulators
replaced the HD with a small 30 gig a few weeks later, transferring all the data from original HD
I've always used LIVE w/ the chip off of course (the bios prevent accidents automatically)
I did try out the French PAL version a month ago, and I also forgot to delete any of these files
purchased Halo 2 on Nov. 9th and played several hours on live
played several hours on live on Nov. 10th, signing in and out many times - no problems
played a few rounds this morning (Nov. 11th) before coming to work - still working fine
I feel as though I may have passed "the test", whatever that may be, but I also fear I may be delay-banned at any time.
Not sure what to do. My gut says to stay offline for a while and wait out the storm, but my Halo 2 cravings are beckoning.
According to what MS reps are saying though, your gamertag is not harmed in this ban. You can buy another Xbox and play on, so it looks to be all hardware and/or software related.
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 05:23:00 PM
| QUOTE (mrjkwik @ Nov 11 2004, 11:28 PM) |
| Gumba, Got a question for you. Do you think they are running a program to scan the harddrives firmware to get the serial, or just scanning the eeprom to get it? If they scan the eeprom, they also have access to other harddware changes, correct? If an eeprom updates the hardware (mine had detected when i changed the dvd and hdd), what isnt changed? in otherwords, is your xbox serial locked to the eeprom, and that is why a new eeprom is needed. because then you have a new xbox serial and hdd combo? Thanks. |
I don't know
Post by: Spykes424 on November 11, 2004, 05:25:00 PM
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 11, 2004, 05:26:00 PM
| QUOTE (zblack @ Nov 12 2004, 02:11 AM) |
| Here's my info: purchased an Xbox in November of '03 and began using LIVE immediately spring (summer?) of '04 I installed an Xecuter Lite chip and all the popular apps and emulators replaced the HD with a small 30 gig a few weeks later, transferring all the data from original HD I've always used LIVE w/ the chip off of course (the bios prevent accidents automatically) I did try out the French PAL version a month ago, and I also forgot to delete any of these files purchased Halo 2 on Nov. 9th and played several hours on live played several hours on live on Nov. 10th, signing in and out many times - no problems played a few rounds this morning (Nov. 11th) before coming to work - still working fine I feel as though I may have passed "the test", whatever that may be, but I also fear I may be delay-banned at any time. Not sure what to do. My gut says to stay offline for a while and wait out the storm, but my Halo 2 cravings are beckoning. According to what MS reps are saying though, your gamertag is not harmed in this ban. You can buy another Xbox and play on, so it looks to be all hardware and/or software related. |
gah! i seriously need to know when you installed that hdd. like exact date if you can... or month... bah! PLEASE REMEMBER! X_x
edit: if you can't remember the exact date, can you remember if it was after may 20th? X_x
Post by: mrjkwik on November 11, 2004, 06:27:00 PM
question is, can my gametag be used multiple xboxs if its in the hd. thought i saw something before when recovering about being tied to that xbox. i dont have a mem card to move it there. so now i'm not sure if i can connect to the live or not with that box. i guess i could use the 2 month pass and get a second tag. try that out.
Post by: Naka on November 11, 2004, 07:05:00 PM
I have a 1.0 xbox, bought it the day it came out, along with live the day IT came out. Barely ever used live. In August I wanted to see if my Live account still worked so I connected and updated. This is with everything stock so far, no modchip installed or anything.
I got my X3 as soon as they started shipping. I installed it right away with a 160gb WD hard drive. I have been on live a couple times with this new drive no problems. The last time I was on live was probably 3 weeks ago, maybe 2, not sure. I havent logged in since I picked up Halo 2, heck I havent even put Halo 2 in my box yet.
I am pretty sure that I have logged in close enough for MS to see that I had a stock drive (August) and an upgrade in Sept and Oct. I really dont want to even try to logon with this setup.
So what I am thinking of doing is going ahead and buying a new EEPROM and putting in another new hard drive. I have an extra 120 in my PC that I will just swap for the 160. Now as long as I keep my C and E drives clean on this new drive and put in a new EEPROM, with your theory, I should be safe correct?
Post by: RedVVing19 on November 11, 2004, 07:19:00 PM
is there a tutorial that I can follow to move stuff around so it looks like a normal xbox on C and E?
Post by: uberism on November 11, 2004, 07:49:00 PM
I have a 1.6 xbox right now
playing halo 2 on live right now (xblive is installed)
do you think i will get banned by installing a x3, evox, but still using the stock hd?
All i am wanting to do with the chip, is to play my backups (offline of course) and watch some divx videos on xbox.
since the eeprom and hdd are married, my setup still uses my original rom and hdd, and i wont be banned, am i right? (does it matter if you install a mod/evo after you get live???)
thanks
Post by: zackery on November 11, 2004, 08:05:00 PM
My Specs:
Xbox 1.0
Maxtor 40 gig hd
Xecuter 2.2 lite
- chip
Didn't get XBL until like 2 months after I moded my xbox.
Original eprom
nothing other than m$ stuff on my c and e drives
no hacked game saves
never played the leaked french version of halo2.
Did all of my mods about a year ago.
So I guess we'll see if the theory is correct or not.
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 08:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (Naka @ Nov 12 2004, 04:01 AM) |
| So what I am thinking of doing is going ahead and buying a new EEPROM and putting in another new hard drive. I have an extra 120 in my PC that I will just swap for the 160. Now as long as I keep my C and E drives clean on this new drive and put in a new EEPROM, with your theory, I should be safe correct? |
Correct,
although, it could be they've already flagged your gamertag because they've actually already banned you, its just you haven't logged in to get the bad news.
So, if you get banned with a new eeprom and HD, its because your gamertag was pre-flagged and you didn't get a new tag.
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 08:48:00 PM
| QUOTE (RedVVing19 @ Nov 12 2004, 04:22 AM) |
| I have extra stuff on my C: and E: partitions like evox. is there a tutorial that I can follow to move stuff around so it looks like a normal xbox on C and E? |
As long as you don't have any soft-mod/exploits, and your xboxdash.xbe is actually the MS Dash, and you don't have any cheats and stuff installed, you should be fine.
There are plenty of people with 'dirty' HDs who have not been banned.
Post by: Gumba on November 11, 2004, 08:49:00 PM
| QUOTE (uberism @ Nov 12 2004, 04:45 AM) |
| would i be safe if i did this?? I have a 1.6 xbox right now playing halo 2 on live right now (xblive is installed) do you think i will get banned by installing a x3, evox, but still using the stock hd? All i am wanting to do with the chip, is to play my backups (offline of course) and watch some divx videos on xbox. since the eeprom and hdd are married, my setup still uses my original rom and hdd, and i wont be banned, am i right? (does it matter if you install a mod/evo after you get live???) thanks |
I think you will be fine, as long as you don't upgrade the HD.
If you upgrade the HD, you will need to replace the EEPROM too
Post by: vyper883 on November 11, 2004, 11:25:00 PM
What happens to an XBOX when it's been modded?
We'll take mine for example?
Version 1.0
xecuter 2.2 pro. As far as physics go, as long as the chip is disabled, there is no way it could be detected, so this hardware change is a moot point.
120Gb western digital. Assuming software is as stock, there is a new physical hardware device, and different serial # for HDD. That is change #1
HDD C:/ partition changes with installation of new dashboard(EVOX, AVALAUNCH) folders man include skins, exox.ini ect. That is change #2.
Addition of extra partitions on HDD, such as F and G partitions. that is change #3.
Installation of homebrew apps. Change #4.
Installation, and patching of various retail games, that were not intended to run off the HDD. Change # 5.
Almost everyone must know by now, that homebrew apps, make subtle changes in the E partition. We know this, and a good example would be for people who have crashed XBMC and have had to delete the 0face8 folder to reset XBMC to run it. Another very obvious example, is many homebrew apps create "gamesaves" for some reason in the XBOX dash under the memory tab. that is change #5
I think that everyone will agree, that these are the most common and basic changes that occur to an XBOX once it's modded, so I believe, whatever M$ is scanning for, is in those changes, thus making it possible to eliminate the majority of modders, or rather modded XBOX's. So what WE are trying to find out is HERE. M$, cannot detect something unless it has changed.
As far as M$ trying to weed out cheaters, I think that is BS. their revenue is damaged by modders(or so THEY think), and not by cheaters so much.
I've had a modded XBOX for two years now, and logged on to XBOX live for the first time AFTER the release of HALO2. So far, no ban. I'll check in the morning to see if I'm still not banned. The only precautions that I've taken, is to delete any illegitimate "saves" from the E partition, such as boxplorer, and any other app saves. We'll see in the morning what happens.
cheers
vyper883
Post by: mrjkwik on November 12, 2004, 12:07:00 AM
since the bans started, now there is one primary theory, one primary solution, and many sub theories with little to no solution.
what we all need to know is
HOW MANY HAVE GOTTEN A NEW GAMERTAG, NEW EEPROM, AND NEW HDD
and has it been SUCCESSFULL or NOT.
Post by: deresDK on November 12, 2004, 12:43:00 AM
HOW MANY OF YOU CHANGED GAMERTAG AND EPROM BUT NOT HDD(THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY BANNED)!!!!
AND I WILL REPEAT MY QUESTION FROM LAST MONTH (that was unanswered):
How do i change that fucking HDD?
I have one HDD from my old broken xbox.
What i need to do to put in in my new xbox? Just change it or need to do some additional work?
thx
Post by: Gumba on November 12, 2004, 02:12:00 AM
| QUOTE (deresDK @ Nov 12 2004, 09:39 AM) |
| i would add more- HOW MANY OF YOU CHANGED GAMERTAG AND EPROM BUT NOT HDD(THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY BANNED)!!!! AND I WILL REPEAT MY QUESTION FROM LAST MONTH (that was unanswered): How do i change that fucking HDD? I have one HDD from my old broken xbox. What i need to do to put in in my new xbox? Just change it or need to do some additional work? thx |
You need to unlock it. If your old xbox is broken and unmodded, you may just have a paperweight on your hands.
Post by: 2000ache on November 12, 2004, 04:59:00 AM
I've had my 1.0 xbox since day one in Europe. Modded it a few months after (matrix solderless), long before live was introduced to europe. Installed a 40GB maxtor at the same time. Later replaced it with a 120gb disk, still before live was available. All done manually, no slayers or whatever installdisk. Put all dash related stuff on c: and apps on e:. Everything basicly still is setup this way. (instead of evox i'm running ux now)
I got live the day it was released in europe. Prepared myself well (reading stuff here!) and allways was very carefull with what I did. At first I used the eject trick to switch between original en hacked bios, but I fairly quickly installed two dipswitches to be able to turn chip on / off. Removed access to msdash from evox/ux, so I only boot msdash when chip is switched off. Disabled autologin from the get go, also password protected live account. Flashed the liveblocking executer bios when it came available. Have had backups on f: and played them regulary. I never ever unplug the ethernetcable.
I did not cheat ever, played alot of live games, did not dl nor install the french halo leak, never used kai/xbc, did use backups on system link on occasion while the network was still connected to the internet (!), did dl and play sp and system link pal halo2 (have mine in preorder for Europe yet not received) and as to this very moment I haven't been banned yet / ever.
Just to share my exp...
Post by: hnic6040 on November 12, 2004, 06:05:00 AM
I tried changing eeprom, and GT in the past, I was banned within 12 hrs. Tried changing HD, and eeprom keeping GT, banned again in 12hrs.
On tuesday, I swapped my HD, formated with slayers, I flashed a new eeprom, and got a new gamer tag, and I am going on 2 days on XBL w/ no ban.
Post by: keroji on November 12, 2004, 06:03:00 AM
i got xboxlive after switching my hd and i'm running x2lite
Post by: mmig2 on November 12, 2004, 06:38:00 AM
Would I get banned if i would finish the xbl wizard ( or am i already banned since i tried to setup xbl ) ??
And how do i turn off the smartxx chip ??
I know im just another newbie and dont know anything about modding whatsoever ( ppl talking about xbox live bios' blockers ( wut ? ), GT's :S ,dashboard's and whatever theyre talking about i dont know
) Post by: mrjkwik on November 12, 2004, 07:47:00 AM
Post by: wolrahnaes on November 12, 2004, 02:44:00 PM
I'm almost certain based on what I've read that I will be banned, since I went on with the stock HD once a while back (not sure how long ago, but I'm pretty sure it was on Live 2.0)
I will sniff the connection with Ethereal and post anything that is actually readable.
Post by: Fofer on November 12, 2004, 03:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (wolrahnaes @ Nov 12 2004, 11:47 PM) |
| I'm going to test as soon as I get on to a connection where Live works (school uses packetshapers on all the dorm connections, so XBL just times out) I'm almost certain based on what I've read that I will be banned, since I went on with the stock HD once a while back (not sure how long ago, but I'm pretty sure it was on Live 2.0) I will sniff the connection with Ethereal and post anything that is actually readable. |
I read somewhere that the XBL traffic (except for voice communication) is encrypted.
Post by: RedVVing19 on November 12, 2004, 02:57:00 PM
Post by: wolrahnaes on November 12, 2004, 03:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (Fofer @ Nov 12 2004, 06:59 PM) |
| I read somewhere that the XBL traffic (except for voice communication) is encrypted. |
Yea it supposedly is, but to establish an encrypted connection there is always some unencrypted handshaking, and maybe there are both ecrypted and unencrypted datastreams....
I don't know, but it can't hurt to try...
I never planned on using this box for Live after I bought the modchip, so I lose nothing except the couple of bucks I could have got from an EEPROM sale by trying this.
Post by: mrjkwik on November 12, 2004, 07:12:00 PM
Post by: Gumba on November 12, 2004, 08:34:00 PM
| QUOTE (mrjkwik @ Nov 13 2004, 04:15 AM) |
| although i believe the "marriage theory", it obviously doens't answer all situations. why hasn't it been considered that they are "marrying" more than just the hdd and eeprom. why not everything, or more select info in the eeprom. as in maybe it runs a whole checklist. all they need to do is scan the eeprom and compare it to a previous scan of the eeprom. it could then compare the current hdd to the previos. if that passes then move on to maybe dvd, or its lock key, or any of the other data on the eeprom. |
Its quite easy to prove that's not the case as people can get online by just changing their EEPROM and HD
If they change their HD to another non-stock HD they do need to change their GamerTag too.
I think there are other reasons for getting banned, and we might not know all the reasons yet, but the most common (after going onto live with a modchip active!) is the EEPROM/HD marriage getting broken
Post by: mrjkwik on November 13, 2004, 12:00:00 AM
i'll use config magic to swap the eeprom. and from what i've read this unlocks and locks the hdd with the code teamassembly.
after that, if i go into xenium os, and unlock and lock the drive again, does it change it from teamassembly back to the more complex numerical?
and i'm gonna get my eeprom from zodiak, i'm assuming no one has ever had problems with getting a duplicate eeprom from him. i read a lot of feedback for him, but obviously cant read them all (over 1500+ i think it was).
hope to have something positive to report. i have a virgin box i've been using, but would really like to move it and at least mod it for xbmc for another room.
Post by: Gumba on November 13, 2004, 12:39:00 AM
| QUOTE (mrjkwik @ Nov 13 2004, 09:03 AM) |
| i'm going to be trying this (new gt, new hdd, new eeprom) this weekend after all my bantering and questioning and hypothesizing. 2 questions left i guess, for now. i'll use config magic to swap the eeprom. and from what i've read this unlocks and locks the hdd with the code teamassembly. after that, if i go into xenium os, and unlock and lock the drive again, does it change it from teamassembly back to the more complex numerical? |
XOS2 sets the TEAMASSEMBLY password as well
This is so you actually have a chance of unlocking a harddrive if you don't have a backup of the eeprom and you fry the eeprom
| QUOTE |
and i'm gonna get my eeprom from zodiak, i'm assuming no one has ever had problems with getting a duplicate eeprom from him. i read a lot of feedback for him, but obviously cant read them all (over 1500+ i think it was). |
I think his business would collapse if he was ever to have been found doing that
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hope to have something positive to report. i have a virgin box i've been using, but would really like to move it and at least mod it for xbmc for another room. |
Look forwards to your results.
It will be best if you physically remove your Xenium (or whatever) every time you go on live so that if you do get banned you can discount the "LPC Scanning" theory
Post by: bbanka on November 13, 2004, 02:29:00 AM
do you think it works?
Post by: Gumba on November 13, 2004, 03:05:00 AM
| QUOTE (bbanka @ Nov 13 2004, 11:25 AM) |
| Gumba, I read your post and agree with you. then I heard that from 1.4 version to 1.6 version xbox's EEPROM has it's original HDD information. so How do you think about changing EEPROM and HDD at the same time on 1.4 version Xbox do you think it works? |
Yes, I do. In fact, there are multiple people who have done it successfully.
BUT if you have a flagged GamerTag, then you have to use a stock HD, or get a new GT.
Post by: bbanka on November 13, 2004, 03:12:00 AM
Post by: Naka on November 13, 2004, 03:53:00 AM
Post by: Gumba on November 13, 2004, 04:26:00 AM
| QUOTE (Naka @ Nov 13 2004, 12:49 PM) |
| Welp, so far so good. I took my upgraded hard drive back to best buy and exhanged it for a brand new one. Bought a new EEPROM tonight and set it up. Made sure C and E were nice and clean. So far no problems. I have no idea if I was banned before or not. What I do know is that I went on live very recently with my stock drive and stock eeprom, and within a week I went on with an upgraded drive and same eeprom. I have a feeling if I would have went on with H2 I would have been banned. We shall see if all is the same in a few days. If so, I would venture to say the marriage theory is pretty much on the money... |
Did you get a new GamerTag?
Post by: mrjkwik on November 13, 2004, 09:14:00 AM
if i/someone else did this, and still got banned, then that would mean they are scanning for more. whether it be the dvd (one has tommy,other has sammy) or whatever. i know that opinion is they arent, but this could just be another test. and an easy way to save on drives
. if anyone wants the link to the swap drive bay/tray i was talking about, just pm me. unless more wants it i'll post it.
Post by: uk-hitman on November 13, 2004, 09:36:00 AM
I have started to look at this from another angle .
WHAT DOES MICRO$OFT GET OUT OF THIS ???
Point :- Well as we all know Micro$oft is big on the fight against piracy but really did this ban stop piracy ?
A :- NO We all know not to use copied games on Xbox live.
Point :- To stop cheating on Xbox live?
A :- IMHO Yes I think this ban has done this (for now) , As many people are removing mods and putting back there stock drive.
Point :- To increase the sale of Xboxes ?
A :- YES !!! Just look at the timing !! Just when Halo 2 comes out so many boxes banned. And I know of loads of people who went out to buy a new Xbox to get back online .
So looking at this I feel that Micro$oft is scanning for known game cheats (trainers) And I know If you use Slayer Auto Installer (Great Program Lads
) It installs a bunch of Trainers .Thoughts on this please ..
Thanks to all who are trying to find out what Micro$oft are doing .
Ps . Please also be aware that Micro$oft keep an eye on this forum
Post by: dzv on November 13, 2004, 10:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (mrjkwik @ Nov 13 2004, 07:03 PM) |
| after that, if i go into xenium os, and unlock and lock the drive again, does it change it from teamassembly back to the more complex numerical? |
You seem to misunderstand the HDD locking process. The TEAMASSEMBLY password is the 'Master' password. It is not the 'User' password. They are 2 completely different things
When you lock a HDD using Config Magic, or whatever, it sets the User password (the long complex password), and sets the Master Password to TEAMASSEMBLY. When you boot the Xbox, the BIOS unlocks the HDD using the User password, which is unique to every Xbox. The Master password is not actually used at all.
The only reason why Config Magic started setting the Master Password to TEAMASSEMBLY, is so that we can easily disable the lock on any HDD that has been locked in the past. (eg. if a motherboard dies, or if you accidentally got a HDD mixed up and can't find it's matching motherboard, etc.)
Post by: meekzzz on November 13, 2004, 11:00:00 AM
Got Xbox in December of 2002. Got live a week after that.
modded xbox with 120GB in feb of 2003 to use it as media center.
didnt play Live, much of 2003.
In early summer of 2004, i swapped my 120GB with a smalller 80GB.
When madden 2k5 came out in August, i bought it and played on Live.
I got banned because i played madden from original disc but the chip was on.
so i got new eeprom and was able to play on Live again.
I first played Halo 2 thurs nite, and my xbox did the update.
It's not 1pm on sat afternoon and I still havent been banned.
Anyone know when Live 2.0 came out?
All I know is if they started to log HD/eeprom since Live 2.0, when i replaced my eeprom in Aug, i should now be banned since i played halo 2.
Any thoughts?
Post by: meekzzz on November 13, 2004, 11:03:00 AM
maybe that reregistered my hd/eeprom?
Post by: syntaxx_error on November 13, 2004, 11:10:00 AM
| QUOTE (meekzzz @ Nov 13 2004, 08:03 PM) |
| Ok here is my setup Got Xbox in December of 2002. Got live a week after that. modded xbox with 120GB in feb of 2003 to use it as media center. didnt play Live, much of 2003. In early summer of 2004, i swapped my 120GB with a smalller 80GB. When madden 2k5 came out in August, i bought it and played on Live. I got banned because i played madden from original disc but the chip was on. so i got new eeprom and was able to play on Live again. I first played Halo 2 thurs nite, and my xbox did the update. It's not 1pm on sat afternoon and I still havent been banned. Anyone know when Live 2.0 came out? All I know is if they started to log HD/eeprom since Live 2.0, when i replaced my eeprom in Aug, i should now be banned since i played halo 2. Any thoughts? |
| QUOTE |
| Anyone know when Live 2.0 came out? |
september 12th 2003
http://www.xboxsolut...article915.html-
Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: meekzzz on November 13, 2004, 11:15:00 AM
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nice! thanks
that'd be another confirmation on the marriage theory
If Live 2.0 started to log that info, anyone who's modded or changed eeprom or hd before 9/12/2004 should be ok as long as they dont change drives or eeprom now.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: qBaz on November 13, 2004, 11:29:00 AM
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Do we have any reason to believe that an xbox without XBL user info will still "phone home" with the eeprom/hdd "marriage" info? Or is the assumption that without user info, one is totally safe from accidentally connecting up to XBL?
I've got a v1.6 box, so there's no XBL-blocking bios that'll run for me. I was thinking to get a new GT and save it only to a memory card, so as to prevent accidentally connecting to XBLive when I'm booted through the EvoX bios.
Assuming we think this is a safe approach, I'm still looking around for a document on how to save XBL credentials to a memory card and _not_ the hard drive, if anyone's got a pointer.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: revengeismyfury on November 13, 2004, 11:56:00 AM
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Hey people
I got banned from live
so I was wondering
Im not using a modchip im using a half flashed tsop bios
I think I got banned because of my executer mod that was on my box which i broke all the traces on the modchip.
so if I install a new eeprom and use a stock hdd with it without replaceing my gt would it work
cause i just got mine renewed like a month ago.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: Barcode on November 13, 2004, 12:08:00 PM
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If this marriage theory is correct should I actually not want to switch my harrdrive with the stock one because my gamertag has been registered with my 80 gig's hd serial number? What do you guys think.
I don't even have a modchip installed.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: Naka on November 13, 2004, 12:24:00 PM
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http://www.xboxsolut...article915.html
Post by: meekzzz on November 13, 2004, 11:15:00 AM
that'd be another confirmation on the marriage theory
If Live 2.0 started to log that info, anyone who's modded or changed eeprom or hd before 9/12/2004 should be ok as long as they dont change drives or eeprom now.
Post by: qBaz on November 13, 2004, 11:29:00 AM
I've got a v1.6 box, so there's no XBL-blocking bios that'll run for me. I was thinking to get a new GT and save it only to a memory card, so as to prevent accidentally connecting to XBLive when I'm booted through the EvoX bios.
Assuming we think this is a safe approach, I'm still looking around for a document on how to save XBL credentials to a memory card and _not_ the hard drive, if anyone's got a pointer.
Post by: revengeismyfury on November 13, 2004, 11:56:00 AM
I got banned from live
so I was wondering
Im not using a modchip im using a half flashed tsop bios
I think I got banned because of my executer mod that was on my box which i broke all the traces on the modchip.
so if I install a new eeprom and use a stock hdd with it without replaceing my gt would it work
cause i just got mine renewed like a month ago.
Post by: Barcode on November 13, 2004, 12:08:00 PM
I don't even have a modchip installed.
Post by: Naka on November 13, 2004, 12:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 13 2004, 01:22 PM) |
| Did you get a new GamerTag? |
Nope I didnt get a new GT. Online this morning too, no problems. Guess I just have to keep waiting to make sure everything is cool...
Post by: Gumba on November 13, 2004, 12:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (Barcode @ Nov 13 2004, 09:11 PM) |
| If this marriage theory is correct should I actually not want to switch my harrdrive with the stock one because my gamertag has been registered with my 80 gig's hd serial number? What do you guys think. I don't even have a modchip installed. |
There have been plenty of people who have been banned with stock disks precisely because they thought it would be a better idea to downgrade their harddisk
If I was you, I would leave the 80GB as it is
Post by: bigshooter13 on November 13, 2004, 12:36:00 PM
I will be modding my friends xbox this weekend who has already been on live. So to get my information straight, will I need to get him a new EEPROM when I uprgrade the hard drive since his current EEPROM has already been married to his stock hard drive? Thanks
Post by: Barcode on November 13, 2004, 12:58:00 PM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 13 2004, 09:33 PM) |
| There have been plenty of people who have been banned with stock disks precisely because they thought it would be a better idea to downgrade their harddisk If I was you, I would leave the 80GB as it is |
Can anyone else back this up?
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 13, 2004, 01:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (meekzzz @ Nov 13 2004, 08:18 PM) |
| nice! thanks that'd be another confirmation on the marriage theory If Live 2.0 started to log that info, anyone who's modded or changed eeprom or hd before 9/12/2004 should be ok as long as they dont change drives or eeprom now. |
2003.
that's a long way back... but other info suggests a different date for when they started recording the marriages.
some screwed up shit... X_x
Post by: Gumba on November 13, 2004, 12:54:00 PM
Account Recovery Addendum:
There is a new addition to Marriage Theory floating around which says that when you do an account recovery the harddrive+eeprom marriage details are recreated. Basically, if this were true it would mean you could upgrade your HD after first going onto live by performing the upgrade, then deleting your account (its at the bottom of the memory display in the dash), then recovering the account.
Now, this has not been strongly confirmed, so if you are in the situation where you *think* you will be banned you have nothing to lose and may as well try it.
Post by: Barcode on November 13, 2004, 12:59:00 PM
Post by: HomicidalMo0se on November 13, 2004, 01:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (Barcode @ Nov 13 2004, 09:54 PM) |
| There have been plenty of people who have been banned with stock disks precisely because they thought it would be a better idea to downgrade their harddisk If I was you, I would leave the 80GB as it is |
not because they downgraded to the stock hdd. but the because the fact that they downgraded to a hdd that was different from what the xbl database had.
Post by: syntaxx_error on November 13, 2004, 02:23:00 PM
| QUOTE (HomicidalMo0se @ Nov 13 2004, 09:56 PM) |
| 2003. that's a long way back... but other info suggests a different date for when they started recording the marriages. some screwed up shit... X_x |
Everybody has forgotten that the actual version of XBL is 3.0 and not 2.0 ! An upgrade to 3.0 (codename "Tsunami") was done in April 21th 2004 !!!
http://xbox.ign.com/...8/508307p1.html
It's with 2.0 and 3.0 XBL that MS has started collecting informations from modded xbox
| QUOTE |
| Level Playing Field Technology: New technology has been implemented to limit cheaters and better the reliability of player ratings. |
Post by: mrjkwik on November 13, 2004, 02:31:00 PM
actually, i didnt misunderstand the locking process. i just didnt know?
i'm trying to learn about anything and everything involved in this process, including the locking process, eeproms, and other ascpects. thanks for letting me know.question for you since you seem to know a quite a bit. can a switche (or multiple switches) be installed in between each particular pin on a chip, or would that degrade signal? or just not work as a protective measure either?
Post by: revengeismyfury on November 13, 2004, 03:25:00 PM
so just wondering when i do the new eeprom and the stock hdd that came from this other xbox that hasnt connected to live. Im gonna lock it with my xbox.
I dont want it putting team assembly on it though how can i get it so that doesnt happen.
Post by: bigshooter13 on November 13, 2004, 03:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 13 2004, 03:57 PM) |
| Just added this to the first post Account Recovery Addendum: There is a new addition to Marriage Theory floating around which says that when you do an account recovery the harddrive+eeprom marriage details are recreated. Basically, if this were true it would mean you could upgrade your HD after first going onto live by performing the upgrade, then deleting your account (its at the bottom of the memory display in the dash), then recovering the account. Now, this has not been strongly confirmed, so if you are in the situation where you *think* you will be banned you have nothing to lose and may as well try it. |
How many people have reported this working? This would be an easy way to get on live if you decide to upgrade your hard drive instead of purchasing a new eeprom. Sounds a little to good to be true to me.
Post by: nfs911 on November 13, 2004, 03:36:00 PM
120gb hd (I bought it more than 8 months ago)
I was reciving the "xbox live not found" error, so I repalced my eeprom, then live worked, and I was on live for about 2 months until my subscription ran out. My question is will M$ ban me?
Post by: AgentEB on November 13, 2004, 06:08:00 PM
-Xbox 1.3 with original SD-605b drive
-Xecuter 2.3a
-Stock hdd signed up with xbox live in Jan-Feb '04 swapped with locked WD 250GB in summer. did account recovery since live account disappeared
-C drive untouched except for evox 3935
-deleted any hacked game saves (ie. counterstrike map hack to play on xbc)
-all games on hdd have all xbox live xbe's deleted (update.xbe,downloader.xbe, dashupdate.xbe)
-all my games/emulators on f, programs on e folder
-never downloaded french pal leaked halo2
-never ripped halo2 to my xbox f/g folders and never loaded halo2 original when chip on.
-never been banned/changed eeprom
still playing halo2 on xbl
Post by: brianx14x on November 13, 2004, 07:52:00 PM
Post by: mrjkwik on November 13, 2004, 07:47:00 PM
also, i have a virgin box. gonna use my solderless adapter (didnt use it on modded box) on that, and just swap my chip to unlock the drive. if i took that virgin drive that has no unsigned code, not even a dash on it, and then ran the hdd wizard from the xos , does it REFORMAT the whole drive and then transfer the partitions and files? if so, when i do that then the 20gb drive i got from someone SHOULD appear as stock, correct? i also want to do this on my previous stock hdd (the one i was originally scanned with before i upgraded the drive). i know i wont be able to use that one on live, but couldnt hurt to have it that way.
Post by: Gumba on November 13, 2004, 11:18:00 PM
| QUOTE (bigshooter13 @ Nov 14 2004, 12:22 AM) |
| How many people have reported this working? This would be an easy way to get on live if you decide to upgrade your hard drive instead of purchasing a new eeprom. Sounds a little to good to be true to me. |
Yes it does
I've seen a number of people who *should* be banned according to Marriage Theory but aren't, one of the common traits is they used Account Recovery.
At this point I would treat this 'theory' as rampant speculation (Account Recovery, not Marriage Theory)
But if you're in the situation where Marriage Theory says you will get banned, then you should try it... and if it works... hey, isn't that cool
Post by: Gumba on November 13, 2004, 11:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (AgentEB @ Nov 14 2004, 03:11 AM) |
| this is my set up -Xbox 1.3 with original SD-605b drive -Xecuter 2.3a -Stock hdd signed up with xbox live in Jan-Feb '04 swapped with locked WD 250GB in summer. did account recovery since live account disappeared -C drive untouched except for evox 3935 -deleted any hacked game saves (ie. counterstrike map hack to play on xbc) -all games on hdd have all xbox live xbe's deleted (update.xbe,downloader.xbe, dashupdate.xbe) -all my games/emulators on f, programs on e folder -never downloaded french pal leaked halo2 -never ripped halo2 to my xbox f/g folders and never loaded halo2 original when chip on. -never been banned/changed eeprom still playing halo2 on xbl |
Summer... that's like June right?
(I'm in the southern hemisphere
)Anywho, either that means they weren't recording HD/EEPROM marriages then, or the account recovery theory actually has some validity... or something else
Post by: bigshooter13 on November 14, 2004, 12:43:00 AM
Post by: vyper883 on November 14, 2004, 01:39:00 AM
| QUOTE (vyper883 @ Nov 12 2004, 08:21 AM) |
| Ok- time for process of elimination: What happens to an XBOX when it's been modded? We'll take mine for example? Version 1.0 xecuter 2.2 pro. As far as physics go, as long as the chip is disabled, there is no way it could be detected, so this hardware change is a moot point. 120Gb western digital. Assuming software is as stock, there is a new physical hardware device, and different serial # for HDD. That is change #1 HDD C:/ partition changes with installation of new dashboard(EVOX, AVALAUNCH) folders man include skins, exox.ini ect. That is change #2. Addition of extra partitions on HDD, such as F and G partitions. that is change #3. Installation of homebrew apps. Change #4. Installation, and patching of various retail games, that were not intended to run off the HDD. Change # 5. Almost everyone must know by now, that homebrew apps, make subtle changes in the E partition. We know this, and a good example would be for people who have crashed XBMC and have had to delete the 0face8 folder to reset XBMC to run it. Another very obvious example, is many homebrew apps create "gamesaves" for some reason in the XBOX dash under the memory tab. that is change #5 I think that everyone will agree, that these are the most common and basic changes that occur to an XBOX once it's modded, so I believe, whatever M$ is scanning for, is in those changes, thus making it possible to eliminate the majority of modders, or rather modded XBOX's. So what WE are trying to find out is HERE. M$, cannot detect something unless it has changed. As far as M$ trying to weed out cheaters, I think that is BS. their revenue is damaged by modders(or so THEY think), and not by cheaters so much. I've had a modded XBOX for two years now, and logged on to XBOX live for the first time AFTER the release of HALO2. So far, no ban. I'll check in the morning to see if I'm still not banned. The only precautions that I've taken, is to delete any illegitimate "saves" from the E partition, such as boxplorer, and any other app saves. We'll see in the morning what happens. cheers vyper883 |
Ok, here's an update:
So far been on and off XBL for the last 72 hours and no ban. As the description of my XBOX since my last post, as I said the ONLY precautions I have taken, is to delete any non legit "gamesaves" that various homebrew apps leave behind, when you use them. The dashboards ALL run off of the C: partition, so I have not concealed any files, or XBE's there. The realeased version of HALO2 was the only dashboard update my XBOX has ever seen, and I've had my XBOX for over three years now. for more detailed info on how my XBOX is modded, please read my quote above this post. Now, not taking into consideration that XBL may have some sort of time delay on their bans, Then I should've been banned the minute I ever logged on to live. Why have i not been? Many would say because my HDD was swapped long before I ever went onto XBL, therefore the marriage theory would hold true. Then again, what about all those who were banned even though they had their HDD's swapped before THEY logged onto XBL, or how about those who have NEVER swapped their HDD's, Softmodded, OR chipped? Here is another interesting fact: The XBOX in it's virgin state, is NOT capable of reading extra partitions,it cannot even SEE them. if it cannot SEE them, then M$ cannot scan for them, unless maybe they update the original TSOP remotely(if that were true I'd been banned long ago- all apps, games on F). The ONLY partiions the XBOX can see, is the C: E: X: Y: Z: on the HDD. So it would not be at all impossible for them to scan C: and E: I don't think that they are scanning C: (again I'd be banned soo fast if they'd scan my C:) My E: partition- skweaky clean, because I deleted ALL the gamesaves that the hombrews leave behind. Now I've read elsewhere that they may be scanning for chips on the LPC. I have by definition an older chip XECUTER 2.2 pro which has a physical on off switch. While other chips use the eject button for a "soft off". Iv'e heard that most mods with older XECUTER chips are still not banned. Thus far with all I have read, and also based on what I've experienced with my setup, I believe that they are scanning for gamesaves that should not be there, and keep in mind even for example if you use BOXPLORER once, it will be gamesaved. So those of you who have not yet logged onto XBL, try keeping a clean gamesave cache, and report what you find onto this thread. I will log bac on to XBL early Sunday 14th to see if I'm still not banned, and if not, it will be a successful 96 hours. Something I forgot to mention, I have swapped Thompson DVD drive in favour of a Samsung SDG605, and I've have not used an active chip very much since I've done the HALO2 dash update. (that may have something to do with it also- maybe an app that dash update installed from HALO2 disk needs to have mod chip active for a certain amount of time, in order to compile info about your XBOX to send it to M$.) Anyway I'll report back to this forum, on what I find.
cheers
Post by: z00labus on November 14, 2004, 03:28:00 AM
My Situation:
XBox 1.0 NTSC (Bought at launch)
Modded about 1 year ago with the orginal X-B.I.T.
Upgraded the DVD drive from Thompson to Phillips about 4 months ago
Upgraded the HD to a Segate 160GB about two weeks before Nov. 9th
November 9th I tried to play Halo 2 and was immediately BANNED!
I flashed a new eeprom without changing anything else... Instantly BANNED!
Today I flashed a new virgin eeprom (never seen live, not in use) and swapped the HD for a new Western Digital 120GB.
I cleaned up all of C and E with X2 4981.06 bios modified to launch dash off F. Copyed over retail stock files to C and E. All mod files are on F including Halo 2 rip, Avalaunch, XBMC, Evox, DVD2Xbox, ConfigMagic. I did not use Slayer's.
Created a new Xbox Live GamerTag account with 2 month trial.
Transferred xbox live account to memory card and deleted off HD.
Popped in Counter-Strike.
Signed into Xbox Live succesfully.
Updated.
Signed back in, played for an hour.
Signed in and out a couple times to see if it was still working.
So far no problems. I will see about delayed ban but my hopes are up on this one. I still haven't played Halo 2 yet (even though I don't know if it is involved, probably not), and I haven't turned on my xbox without stealth mode on (modchip running) yet.
UPDATE:
5 Days Later:
I have played Halo 2 for the past couple nights for several hours. I have signed in again to xbox live. No ban. Good news.
This post has been edited by z00labus: Nov 17 2004, 10:35 PM
Post by: Nebi908 on November 14, 2004, 03:38:00 AM
this is my set up
-Xbox 1.0
-xbit
- 120gb hdd
-Never been banned before .
Have play halo 2 about 3 days now on live .
Stock hdd with xbox live since mars 03 (2003) to may (2004) then I upgrade hdd to 120gb .
Copy all files from my stocked hdd to my new hdd.
I have deleted all my hacked gamesaves to be sure.
Have all my programs/movie etc on F
I have avalaunch on C and evox too.
Have never play the leaked halo 2 on my xbox.
never play Halo 2 with the chip on.
never change my eeprom.
Post by: Gumba on November 14, 2004, 04:03:00 AM
| QUOTE (z00labus @ Nov 14 2004, 12:24 PM) |
| I tried out the marriage theory and so far it is working. My Situation: XBox 1.0 NTSC (Bought at launch) Modded about 1 year ago with the orginal X-B.I.T. Upgraded the DVD drive from Thompson to Phillips about 4 months ago Upgraded the HD to a Segate 160GB about two weeks before Nov. 9th November 9th I tried to play Halo 2 and was immediately BANNED! I flashed a new eeprom without changing anything else... Instantly BANNED! Today I flashed a new virgin eeprom (never seen live, not in use) and swapped the HD for a new Western Digital 120GB. I cleaned up all of C and E with X2 4981.06 bios modified to launch dash off F. Copyed over retail stock files to C and E. All mod files are on F including Halo 2 rip, Avalaunch, XBMC, Evox, DVD2Xbox, ConfigMagic. I did not use Slayer's. Created a new Xbox Live GamerTag account with 2 month trial. Transferred xbox live account to memory card and deleted off HD. Popped in Counter-Strike. Signed into Xbox Live succesfully. Updated. Signed back in, played for an hour. Signed in and out a couple times to see if it was still working. So far no problems. I will see about delayed ban but my hopes are up on this one. I still haven't played Halo 2 yet (even though I don't know if it is involved, probably not), and I haven't turned on my xbox without stealth mode on (modchip running) yet. |
Nice confirmation
I've linked to it from the first post
Post by: -Gadget- on November 14, 2004, 07:03:00 AM
| QUOTE (vyper883 @ Nov 14 2004, 10:35 AM) |
| Ok, here's an update: So far been on and off XBL for the last 72 hours and no ban. As the description of my XBOX since my last post <snip> |
good on ya mate
pity ya didnt just try ya old GT/account would of been good...
as if ya didnt get banned, would prove the marrege theroy still...
and if ya did get banned again, would of proved the password therory right too
althou i spose, there would be the LPC therory too that xould of been at fault ?
hmm soo
we NEED some1 like your scenario BUT to NOT get a new GT/account and to reomove the LPC mode ...
would prove ALL theories !...
then after a day or so not getting banned, put LPC chip on, and prove/disprove the MPC theroy too !!
and THATS WHAT NEED TO BE DONE TO PROVE/DISPROVE all the thoreys we have !!
but at least we got a 100% confirmation of the marriage !!
so its a well done on that score !
Mick ..
Post by: jabberwock on November 14, 2004, 09:48:00 AM
Not banned!
Interesting as I have flashed a new EEPROM twice but the last time was in January thus suggesting that it is not neccesarily the first time that you join Live that the EEPROM and HD are married. It seems that, as suggested, MS only began doing this at date since January.. possibly with a software update in March etc.
Incidentally I ran the new Live update a few days ago. Haven't bought Halo 2 yet.
Post by: cuffy on November 14, 2004, 09:55:00 AM
Banned, so I put in a new hard drive and BIOS, removed my ICE chip, but did not get a new GT.
I recovered my old GT.
Within 36 hours I was banned again.
The new hard drive was a clean build with nothing on F: etc.
Make you think!!!
Post by: Gumba on November 14, 2004, 10:01:00 AM
| QUOTE (cuffy @ Nov 14 2004, 06:51 PM) |
| Heres one for you. Banned, so I put in a new hard drive and BIOS, removed my ICE chip, but did not get a new GT. I recovered my old GT. Within 36 hours I was banned again. The new hard drive was a clean build with nothing on F: etc. Make you think!!! |
I assume that you meant EEPROM where you've said BIOS? right?
Sounds like confirmation of the flagged gamertag addendum
| QUOTE (from Marriage Theory) |
| Further, there is a belief that MS is flagging GamerTags which have been banned, and if this tag is used on an XBox with a non-stock HD, then the XBox will be banned (Both EEPROM and HD). So If you get banned you need to replace your EEPROM and HD with EEPROMS and HDs which XBL has never seen, as well as replace your GamerTag if you want to use a big HD. |
Which basically means, if you get banned, and want to use a big disk, you need to get a new eeprom, disk and gamertag.
you didn't get a gamertag, thus you got banned... again
now you'll need to get a new disk, eeprom and gamertag again
This is fairly strong confirmation of the Marriage Theory
Post by: -Gadget- on November 14, 2004, 10:19:00 AM
HOW are they finding out AFTER a ban (because of the marrage thing)
that u have got mods.. IF ya using a new HDD, and eprom and not a dirty drive !
what is it there checking AFTER a ban
i think we got it 100% on marrage.. its just what they checking AFTER a ban ..
and thus how can u upgrade ya HDD if ya already been on live with ya stock one
WITHOUT gettoing a new tag/account (thus more moneys)
Mick ..
Post by: Tribis on November 14, 2004, 10:34:00 AM
What happens if you get your Xbox repaired by MS and they place a new hd in?
Post by: kp84 on November 14, 2004, 10:43:00 AM
1: they could update the "marriage info"
2: they mite b flashing a new eeprom when they change the HD
i think the marriage theory is true
Post by: z00labus on November 14, 2004, 12:28:00 PM
I just signed in again into xbox live. No ban. Good news.
Post by: Gumba on November 14, 2004, 01:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (-Gadget- @ Nov 14 2004, 07:15 PM) |
| BUT THE question remains .. HOW are they finding out AFTER a ban (because of the marrage thing) that u have got mods.. IF ya using a new HDD, and eprom and not a dirty drive ! what is it there checking AFTER a ban i think we got it 100% on marrage.. its just what they checking AFTER a ban .. and thus how can u upgrade ya HDD if ya already been on live with ya stock one WITHOUT gettoing a new tag/account (thus more moneys) Mick .. |
Well, the assumption is they do extensive tests if you login with a flagged GamerTag, and that these extensive tests can detect the presence of a non-stock HD.
Post by: mrjkwik on November 14, 2004, 01:47:00 PM
Post by: ydgmms on November 14, 2004, 01:50:00 PM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 14 2004, 06:57 PM) | ||
| I assume that you meant EEPROM where you've said BIOS? right? Sounds like confirmation of the flagged gamertag addendum
Which basically means, if you get banned, and want to use a big disk, you need to get a new eeprom, disk and gamertag. you didn't get a gamertag, thus you got banned... again now you'll need to get a new disk, eeprom and gamertag again This is fairly strong confirmation of the Marriage Theory |
While it helps to confirm the marriage theory, it also disproves the Account Recovery Re-Marriage theory.
Post by: dariceeater on November 14, 2004, 01:45:00 PM
Post by: Gumba on November 14, 2004, 01:55:00 PM
| QUOTE (mrjkwik @ Nov 14 2004, 10:43 PM) |
| wouldnt all they have to do is scan your eeprom for the model number of hdd, and then compare it to hdd models they have used? |
The HD Model and Serial number is not actually stored in the EEPROM, ConfigMagic just makes it look like it is
The EEPROM.txt file lists the dvd model and hd model strings, presumably because its handy, but if you look at the EEPROM.bin with a hexeditor you will not see any of the hd/dvd strings... yet you do see all 256bytes...
Post by: Gumba on November 14, 2004, 02:04:00 PM
| QUOTE (ydgmms @ Nov 14 2004, 10:46 PM) |
| Which basically means, if you get banned, and want to use a big disk, you need to get a new eeprom, disk and gamertag. you didn't get a gamertag, thus you got banned... again now you'll need to get a new disk, eeprom and gamertag again This is fairly strong confirmation of the Marriage Theory [/QUOTE] While it helps to confirm the marriage theory, it also disproves the Account Recovery Re-Marriage theory. |
No, because the gamertag was flagged and a flagged gamertag just can not be used with a non-stock HD.
to test the Account Recovery Re-Marriage theory you would need to be in a situation where you *will* be banned by Marriage Theory, but have not *yet* been banned, then do an Account Recovery, and if the theory holds (which I find doubtful), you won't be banned.
The good news is it can't hurt to do an account recovery, so *everyone* might as well do one before reconnecting if they've been staying offline.
Post by: VegasFool on November 14, 2004, 02:20:00 PM
My friend got a launch Xbox so I assume 1.0, he went on Live immediatiely when it became available with a stock hard drive and no mod chip.
He then got a Executer 2 Lite (I think) with a 120GB hdd sometime in March of 2003 and has been on Live ever since. He's been playing ESPN Football all week and hasn't gotten banned. He still hasn't put in Halo 2 for MP on Live, yet.
So we have been trying to figure out if he will get banned or not. I guess it has to do when they started marrying the HD and eeprom. Has anyone figured that one out?
Post by: ydgmms on November 14, 2004, 02:24:00 PM
I read one person did an upgrade in June 04 and wasn't banned, but someone did the same upgrade in August 04 and was banned.
So... *I* think sometime in June/August.
But what do I know?
Post by: VegasFool on November 14, 2004, 02:43:00 PM
I want to see what has happened to people who went on Live then modded there Xbox with a larger hdd(before Live 2.0) and played Halo 2. Have they been banned or are they fine?
Post by: mrjkwik on November 14, 2004, 02:50:00 PM
I'm learning more everyday. Just takes someone like you to enlighten me.
Post by: Tum on November 14, 2004, 03:51:00 PM
i first signed into xbox live with a standard xbox in march 2004, this was a 2 month trial so I deleted my xbox live account after the 2 months were up.
in late june or early july(not sure of the exact date) I installed a mod chip and 120 gig hard drive. when testing if everything worked i booted the original bios and connected to xbox live through the settings in M$ dashboard. note that i didnt actually have a gamertag on the hard dirve, but it still said that i had connected to xbox live, just by going through settings in M$ dashboard.
so about a week ago I read about all the trouble people were having with bannings, but i wanted on live for halo 2. i purchased halo 2 and a 1 year xbox live subscription, i deceided the best option would be install the original xbox harddrive back into my xbox(note that the marraige theory hadnt been realised at the time, most thought it was a hard drive scanning). so i have been on live all week and havent been banned.
theoretically i should have been banned as i signed into xbox live with a 120 gig hard drive in july, and then with the standard hard drive last week. so i think that my hd serial was not recorded when i connected in july, thus i think the date were M$ starrted recording hard drive serials was after this.
or since i didnt actually have a xbox live account on my hard drive, my details were not recorded just by signing in through M$ dashboard.
hope that helps
Post by: VegasFool on November 14, 2004, 03:59:00 PM
| QUOTE (Tum @ Nov 15 2004, 12:47 AM) |
| ok i thought i would contribute my information: i first signed into xbox live with a standard xbox in march 2004, this was a 2 month trial so I deleted my xbox live account after the 2 months were up. in late june or early july(not sure of the exact date) I installed a mod chip and 120 gig hard drive. when testing if everything worked i booted the original bios and connected to xbox live through the settings in M$ dashboard. note that i didnt actually have a gamertag on the hard dirve, but it still said that i had connected to xbox live, just by going through settings in M$ dashboard. so about a week ago I read about all the trouble people were having with bannings, but i wanted on live for halo 2. i purchased halo 2 and a 1 year xbox live subscription, i deceided the best option would be install the original xbox harddrive back into my xbox(note that the marraige theory hadnt been realised at the time, most thought it was a hard drive scanning). so i have been on live all week and havent been banned. theoretically i should have been banned as i signed into xbox live with a 120 gig hard drive in july, and then with the standard hard drive last week. so i think that my hd serial was not recorded when i connected in july, thus i think the date were M$ starrted recording hard drive serials was after this. or since i didnt actually have a xbox live account on my hard drive, my details were not recorded just by signing in through M$ dashboard. hope that helps |
This definitely helps! If we can narrow down a time frame when they first started "marrying", then it could help out a lot of people.
Post by: Tum on November 14, 2004, 04:44:00 PM
Post by: VegasFool on November 14, 2004, 04:57:00 PM
My friend disconnected his mod chip, put back his stock hdd (which still had all his Live account info), played Halo 2 on Live yesterday and was banned today!!!
He wanted me to post this so that his sacrifice was not done in vain.
*His setup and time frame are described in my earlier post.
Post by: VegasFool on November 14, 2004, 07:06:00 PM
He's going to play Halo 2 on Live tomorrow with large hdd and the mod chip. We'll see if he gets banned.
*Read previous posts if that doesn't make sense
Post by: ydgmms on November 14, 2004, 07:25:00 PM
| QUOTE (Tum @ Nov 15 2004, 12:47 AM) |
| ok i thought i would contribute my information: i first signed into xbox live with a standard xbox in march 2004, this was a 2 month trial so I deleted my xbox live account after the 2 months were up. in late june or early july(not sure of the exact date) I installed a mod chip and 120 gig hard drive. when testing if everything worked i booted the original bios and connected to xbox live through the settings in M$ dashboard. note that i didnt actually have a gamertag on the hard dirve, but it still said that i had connected to xbox live, just by going through settings in M$ dashboard. so about a week ago I read about all the trouble people were having with bannings, but i wanted on live for halo 2. i purchased halo 2 and a 1 year xbox live subscription, i deceided the best option would be install the original xbox harddrive back into my xbox(note that the marraige theory hadnt been realised at the time, most thought it was a hard drive scanning). so i have been on live all week and havent been banned. theoretically i should have been banned as i signed into xbox live with a 120 gig hard drive in july, and then with the standard hard drive last week. so i think that my hd serial was not recorded when i connected in july, thus i think the date were M$ starrted recording hard drive serials was after this. or since i didnt actually have a xbox live account on my hard drive, my details were not recorded just by signing in through M$ dashboard. hope that helps |
just outta curiosity, did you call to cancel that 2month free trial? or did you just delete it?
Post by: mrjkwik on November 14, 2004, 07:29:00 PM
not that i can do it, obviously. but...
anyway to hex edit the strings that gumba was referring to that retrieve the hdd info, and insert fixed data and still have a working eeprom and xbox? probably not, figure it wouldnt hurt to asks
Post by: Tum on November 14, 2004, 07:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (ydgmms @ Nov 15 2004, 04:21 AM) |
| just outta curiosity, did you call to cancel that 2month free trial? or did you just delete it? |
Both actually, I called the xbox number, got transfered all the way across the other side of the world to america, talked to some dude(who wouldnt take no for an answer, he was trying to keep me on live), then I deleted the account from my hard drive.
Post by: ydgmms on November 14, 2004, 07:45:00 PM
Post by: Tum on November 14, 2004, 07:50:00 PM
btw I think if you dont cancel it, the will just bill your credit card for a year long subscription.
Post by: ydgmms on November 14, 2004, 07:57:00 PM
my 2month ended on like oct 5 but i didn't really know....i knew 'oh it should be ending soon' so i called up to cancel on like the 7th but could never get through...so i checked on live and ...yup i got renewed automatically for a year..
only to get banned last week
Post by: Tum on November 14, 2004, 08:00:00 PM
Post by: nfs911 on November 14, 2004, 08:10:00 PM
Post by: STICKY_BUD on November 14, 2004, 08:41:00 PM
posted to new topic
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=307128
Post by: Gumba on November 15, 2004, 05:23:00 AM
There have been quite a few posts where people have been connected to Live since before the beginning of the year, and upgraded in June and weren't banned.
If you upgraded your HD after connecting to Live, and after June, yet weren't banned, please post your details in this thread
Post by: Gumba on November 15, 2004, 05:43:00 AM
Mundane Bans:
It seems that with all the attention the new banning systems are receiving newbies are forgetting (or not realizing) about the more mundane methods used for detecting modded xboxs!
You can not go on live with a hacked BIOS as it will be detected and you will be banned. This means you can not play backed up games on live! So you must load your retail kernel to go on live, and to load your retail kernel, your xbox's HD must be locked.
Also, some live games will connect to live automatically so you must use an XBL Blocking BIOS to prevent this, other wise you can get banned without realising it. BUT an XBL Blocking BIOS normally does not prevent the MS dash from connecting to Live, so you MUST NOT use the MS Dash when booted off your hacked BIOS. Nor must you update the dashboard, which will also connect to live, and some modern games will do this without asking. You can not currently get an XBL blocking BIOS for 1.6 xboxes!
It is also suggested to set a passcode on your XBL account, which will help prevent accidentally logging in to Live.
If MS sends you an email informing you that you've had your XBL account cancelled that is not actually the same as a ban, its actually worse, and normally happens for swearing, making insulting remarks, cheating, or playing pirated Halo2 on Live.
Post by: Light_k2005 on November 15, 2004, 08:01:00 AM
Post by: Civ on November 15, 2004, 09:26:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 15 2004, 02:46 PM) |
| You can not currently get an XBL blocking BIOS for 1.6 xboxes! |
I just got my 1.6 box modded with an X2.6 lite with a HDD upgrade. Went on live last night to play halo 2 (was my first time on live) just because i have a 1.6 does this mean I am fuxored? If the Marriage theory is true, how do I not get banned, aside from keeping my modchip off, setting a passcode on my live account etc?
Do games sign into live automatically if you have a passcode on your live account?
Thanks for your replies in advance, I'm a total Nube.
-Rich
Post by: Gumba on November 15, 2004, 12:25:00 PM
Post by: dmauro on November 15, 2004, 01:01:00 PM
Another good idea for not accidentally getting yourself banned is to backup your live account to a memory card and delete it off your hard drive. Then make sure to only put the card in when your chip is off. It's also handy because you can easily take your account to a friend's XBOX. I use this method as well as the password protection just to be safe.
Post by: illusionist on November 15, 2004, 01:22:00 PM
I have a 1.0 xbox that was modified with a Matrix chip and home made switch to control the modes. There are no other modifications of the xbox, still same ol'HD. I have been on live since day one but got banned after day 1, new eeprom and away i went. To be honest I then lost interest in Live so kept my subscription going and not done anything on it for a good year or more. So I got Halo2, turned off the chip, signed into Live all ok, played Halo2, cool. Next nite, last night, played Halo for about 20 mins then lost connection. Went back to the xbox os and tryed to connect to Live, could get all ips etc but the last stage failed. This seems like a ban that i had before. However some of you mention that you got a message saying Modified xbox detected , or there abouts. Not seen that though..
So its not a diff HD, chip off and got banned... Flagged GT? Your input appreciated , keep up the good work.
Post by: Gumba on November 15, 2004, 01:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (illusionist @ Nov 15 2004, 10:18 PM) |
| So its not a diff HD, chip off and got banned... Flagged GT? Your input appreciated , keep up the good work. |
Seems that way.
I wonder if the hypothesized more extensive tests detected your matrix mod somehow?
anywho, as the theories go you'll need a new eeprom and hd to get back on, and since you apparently had a new eeprom and stock drive already, you'll probably get banned again, unless you get a different GT
not sure.
Post by: illusionist on November 15, 2004, 01:44:00 PM
Post by: Gumba on November 15, 2004, 01:49:00 PM
| QUOTE (illusionist @ Nov 15 2004, 10:40 PM) |
| thanks, that is what i thought. Does seem to indicate something else like Live looking for chips etc could be going on. I think a new Xbox for live is in order, would the same GT be ok for it as it would be atotally legit xbox. |
yes
Post by: Gus Man on November 15, 2004, 04:03:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Xboxdash.xbe Must Be The MS Dash: There is a lot of evidence to suggest that the c:\xboxdash.xbe file *must* be the official MS Dashboard or you will get banned. Many people mis-install their hacked dash by renaming their xboxdash to something else, say msxboxdash.xbe, then installing their hacked dash as "xboxdash.xbe". DO NOT DO THIS! You will get banned. A better approach is to use a bios which can load hacked dashes from alternate locations, such as c:\avalaunch.xbe or c:\evoxdash.xbe. |
I use the UDE exploit and have not been banned. Since it is launching an official MS Dash I should be fine, it is just older correct? (Only ban if it was evox, etc?)
Post by: Scud VR4 on November 15, 2004, 04:34:00 PM
Here's my situation.. I bought my Xbox and start my Live subscription in September. I modded my Xbox in June (with a Xenium) and added a bigger harddrive. I played all through the summer on Live and have never been banned. I haven't played on Live since early August.
My question is this - if I get a new EEPROM (and stick with my new harddrive), will I be safe from being banned according to the marriage theory?
Post by: deadnburied on November 15, 2004, 04:35:00 PM
Post by: STICKY_BUD on November 15, 2004, 04:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (Scud VR4 @ Nov 15 2004, 04:30 PM) |
| I'd like some help from some experts that understand these bannings better than I so I will hopefully NOT get banned Here's my situation.. I bought my Xbox and start my Live subscription in September. I modded my Xbox in June (with a Xenium) and added a bigger harddrive. I played all through the summer on Live and have never been banned. I haven't played on Live since early August. My question is this - if I get a new EEPROM (and stick with my new harddrive), will I be safe from being banned according to the marriage theory? |
@ scud vr4 - nobody is absolutely positive yet, but your hd info is probably already married to your eeprom since your last xbl login was so recent, so changing your eeprom to a new one is very risky and your best bet is to simply try to login.
i am running some good xbl tests on my boxes beginning tonight...
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=307128
Post by: ydgmms on November 15, 2004, 05:22:00 PM
Since you seem to be the man in this whole ordeal, I offer my services.
I have a now banned xbox and HD. I also have 2 fresh eeproms and 2 never-seen-the-light-of-day HDs. I should be getting 2 2-month free trial cards.
Which methods would you like me to try?
Current setup:
XBOX 1.0
XeniumICE 2.0.1 (iND-BIOS 5001)
160GB Maxtor HD lockable
HD/LAN activity LEDs
controller port LEDs
on/off power button on controller (modified port 1)
ThomsonDVD replaced with a Samsung (XBOX, not a modded one)
I went on live stock. Then w/ chip added. Then w/ a 250HD. Then the setup above.
Have 2 fresh eeproms
Should be getting 2 fresh 2month free trials (as long as I can use the same CC over and over again - I only have one)
1 60GB Maxtor (should be lockable, still shrinkwrapped)
1 200GB Maxtor (should be lockable, still shrinkwrapped)
I also have a 250GB Maxtor (lockable, XBL virgin) in my PC that I can move if need be.
I'm assuming my GT has been flagged since I've been banned.
Just for more references. My bro-in-law's xbox has *not* been banned yet.
We modded ours in August. I upgraded my HD. He did not.
He's running:
XBOX 1.0
stock EEPROM/HD
XeniumIce OS2 Pre-release
X2-4981
His drive is 'dirty'. He has all rogue XBEs and what nots on C:\ and E:\
He's been playing Halo 2 since the release date.
Anyway. I'm offering my 2 fresh eeproms, 2 fresh HDs and 2 fresh trials for the cause. Oh and my priceless time.
-YDoesGodMockMeSo
Post by: Scud VR4 on November 15, 2004, 05:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (STICKY_BUD @ Nov 15 2004, 07:47 PM) |
| @ scud vr4 - nobody is absolutely positive yet, but your hd info is probably already married to your eeprom since your last xbl login was so recent, so changing your eeprom to a new one is very risky and your best bet is to simply try to login. i am running some good xbl tests on my boxes beginning tonight... http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=307128 |
I was under the impression that M$ 'marries' your HD and EEPROM info when you create your account. So because I have the same EEPROM but a different HD since June, I should be banned if I tried to logon.
Are you sure it wouldn't be better to get a EEPROM? Should I just take my chances as is now? If I get banned, I'll have to buy a new Xbox solely for Xbox Live and I'd like to avoid that if at all possible
Post by: kyu81 on November 15, 2004, 05:59:00 PM
| QUOTE (kyu81 @ Nov 11 2004, 07:50 AM) |
| hmme I was just wondering would I get banned ? I had xbox with 160gb in it and recently i switched my motherboard(still same hdd). I think last time I used live with old xbox was around mid April (not so sure) and i think major live update was around mid April. After I swirched my motherboard, I logged into live w/o a problem(like 2 weeks ago). I am getting halo2 today and I am reluctant to try. Do u think I might get banned? |
Hey I was able to try halo2 today morning and I was able sign into xbox live no prob. Did all the updates and still okay.
It's has been around 8hrs since I logged in and it seems like I am not banned yet.
Assuming that MS wont bann me in next couple of days, I think MS started scanning after April major live update since I remember now that I have logged on to live after they did major upgrade. (but didnt access live since May latest)
Post by: vyper883 on November 15, 2004, 10:19:00 PM
First of all, for those of you that have NOT read my previous two posts, go to page 10 of this thread, as so you know how my XBOX is set up. It is now Monday evening, and I've been on live off and on for the last 120hours, and NO ban.
XBOX V 1.0 modded with Xecuter 2.2 PRO, bios version 4983, and 120Gb 7200RPM, and swapped out Thompson DVD in favour of Samsung SDG 605.
EVOX and M$DASH on C:/ . All apps, and game backups on F:/
Went on XBL for the first time ever, 1 day after the official release of HALO2.
M$ dash updated for the first time EVER with HALO2 disk.
ONLY precautions taken, deleted all "gamesaves" that homebrew apps leave behind in E:/ partition.
Suffice to mention, I've only powered the chip on maybe a couple of times since dash update, and used boxplorer to seek for any suspicious files that the dash update may have created(eithernet disconnected of course). Have not used chip at all in the last three days, as I've been on XBL a lot. However, I am buying a brand new virgin XBOX to keep as is for XBL, for peace of mind. I think that we all have to realize that M$ definitely reads these threads, and in doing so, they get new ideas on how to discover ways to ban us. It would be nice if M$ had their own forums where we could discover what they do, but THAT will never happen lol. I'm quite sure that they probably have studied EVERY modchip known to man for the XBOX, and they know EVERY trace on the XBOX motherboards- They created the damn thing! We've succesfully turned our XBOX into a powerful multimedia machine, gaming machine and whatever else have you, but as far as XBL is concerned I think that M$ will always win in the end- They have access to our public forums- they ALWAYS know our thoughts, and what WE are up to. They Have technologies, and software that WE have never heard of, and because of that, we can never know for sure what they are doing to detect modded XBOXES. And even if we figure it out, a month later they'll have a new way of detecting mods. Why? Because WE are the ones, giving them the resources to do it with our forums. I don't really think that the HALO2 disc has anything to do with the bannings, but imagine what it could have been. Imagine what could be on ANY new released game- one that could say "restore" an XBOX HDD to stock condition. I'm sure that has been thought of, and if it happens, there is nothing we could do about it, other than choosing not to play that game, or having to restore our partition tables manually to get all our apps back. Of course, I don't think a lot of game developers would agree to implement something like that into their discs, and neither would M$. They probably stand to lose more than they gain. The only way they could win 100% is to create a console that is impossible to hack right from the start. And I'll bet that is coming with the launch of XBOXNEXT, or XBOX2. So, basically, it will be about another year or two before our first gen XBOXES end up in the closet, sitting right beside the ole' N64 collecting dust-mod chip and all. How "cool" was your N64 when you bought it? How "cool" is it now compared to your XBOX? How "cool" will you XBOX be, when the next gen XBOX is released? I'm not trying to discourage anybody- damn I love my XBOX, and I love it even more when it's modded, but everything that has a beginning, also has an end. Is the new console going to be backwards compatible? Of course it is, because M$ is going to want you to leave your old console behind, and the only way you'll DO that, is if the new one is able to play the 160 games that you already own. Of course they won't let you know that just yet-why? Because in making you believe that the new XBOX won't play your old games, just makes you find new creative ways to hack your first gen XBOX. In doing so, you post these creative ways in this forum, and others like it. M$ reads the forums, and just finds more ways to make their 2nd Gen XBOX unhackable. The 2nd gen will also be sporting NEW games that the first gen will not have the power to run, and once you get hooked on the new graphical eye candy, you will eventually stop playing your old games, because they are not "cool" anymore. But you bought the new console knowing that it will play your old games. I did not mean to get off topic, and I know what the current topic at hand is, but I believe that in the frenzy of the bannings, we should all step back and take a breather, and look at the bigger picture that is slowly unfolding. It's pretty much fact that if M$ wanted to eliminate fist gen XBOX modders, they could've easily done it, in 101 different ways. But they already know what the big picture is, and if they don't let US evolve, they cannot evolve. Maybe it's not just coincidence that the number one dashboard replacement is called EvolutionX. I for one would definitely buy a 2nd gen XBOX if it supports my old games. Unhackable, or not, it will blow everything out there, out of the water, and I'll have fun with it. Isn't that why you bought your console to begin with?
cheers.
vyper883
Post by: ydgmms on November 16, 2004, 01:24:00 AM
I bout my Xbox because my DVD player needed to get replaced.
And I wanted to mod it for the longest time for its ..unlisted.. features.
Not so much the games
. Those are jusy a byproduct.
Post by: Gumba on November 16, 2004, 01:54:00 AM
| QUOTE (ydgmms @ Nov 16 2004, 02:18 AM) |
| Dear Gumba, Since you seem to be the man in this whole ordeal, I offer my services. I have a now banned xbox and HD. I also have 2 fresh eeproms and 2 never-seen-the-light-of-day HDs. I should be getting 2 2-month free trial cards. Which methods would you like me to try? Current setup: XBOX 1.0 XeniumICE 2.0.1 (iND-BIOS 5001) 160GB Maxtor HD lockable HD/LAN activity LEDs controller port LEDs on/off power button on controller (modified port 1) ThomsonDVD replaced with a Samsung (XBOX, not a modded one) I went on live stock. Then w/ chip added. Then w/ a 250HD. Then the setup above. Have 2 fresh eeproms Should be getting 2 fresh 2month free trials (as long as I can use the same CC over and over again - I only have one) 1 60GB Maxtor (should be lockable, still shrinkwrapped) 1 200GB Maxtor (should be lockable, still shrinkwrapped) I also have a 250GB Maxtor (lockable, XBL virgin) in my PC that I can move if need be. I'm assuming my GT has been flagged since I've been banned. Just for more references. My bro-in-law's xbox has *not* been banned yet. We modded ours in August. I upgraded my HD. He did not. He's running: XBOX 1.0 stock EEPROM/HD XeniumIce OS2 Pre-release X2-4981 His drive is 'dirty'. He has all rogue XBEs and what nots on C:\ and E:\ He's been playing Halo 2 since the release date. Anyway. I'm offering my 2 fresh eeproms, 2 fresh HDs and 2 fresh trials for the cause. Oh and my priceless time. -YDoesGodMockMeSo |
I've put some thought into this
To facilitate some of the tests, it would be best if you could get of a stock virgin drive too.
First, setup xbox as stock with a new eeprom and stock drive, try to keep the drive as clean as possible, to discount any other forms of banning
physically remove mod chip
Go on line with new tag.
see if you get banned, wait x days, try halo2 after the first 24 hrs or so
try going on live with old tag, see if you get banned, wait x days etc
reinstall modchip
Go on line with new tag.
see if you get banned, wait x days, try halo2 after the first 24 hrs or so
try going on live with old tag, see if you get banned, wait x days etc (if this gets you banned, its probably because they *are* detecting the LPC mod, even if your machine is otherwise stock)
...
if that all works it proves that you can setup a stock box to go on live. just requiring a new eeprom+stock hd, it also more or less disproves the whole LPC modchip thing
...
now setup xbox with a virgin non-stock hd and eeprom, use with new tag.
again, physically remove modchip
go on live, ensure not banned.
really no point testing that you will get banned if you swap the drives, we *know* that to be true.
reinstall modchip
make sure you're not banned
uninstall modchip
so, now test with your flagged gamertag, see if your box gets banned after x days
reinstall modchip try again, if not banned above (i think you will be though)
...
the reason the first test uses a stock drive is to try and get a control case happening, if you get that box banned, then we need to work out why, rather than doing further tests.
the tests with and without the LPC mod installed should help determine if there is anything happening with LPC mods, or if its just happening when you use a flagged GT
...
afterwards your second eeprom + first big hd will probably also be banned..., you will have a working eeprom+stock drive pair...?
if you could then get another eeprom you could setup your box with its final HD and go on live, hopefully with no problems.
Remember, for the maximum benefit you need to give adequate time between steps to receive a ban, including running Halo2, making sure whatever updates are done.
...
Oh, always do an account recovery before trying each new combo, that way we can totally refute the account recovery theory.
...
So, to perform these tests you will need a virgin stock drive and possibly another eeprom if you want to end up with a live enabled box at the end.
Post by: Exzir on November 16, 2004, 03:33:00 AM
Onestly I feel that they are banning people with larger HDD I could be wrong maybe they only check the size of xyz and c d to see if it is larger or something but I have modded xbox with tones of evox and other stuf like a chameleon I have updated my eeprom and hdd lock since someone used my xbox and tried to get onto live without turning off the chameleon. I am guessing they can check size of the hdd or something. I will try a game later right now I just tested the getting on and doing a voice chat with someone outside of games.
EDIT: Also I am wondering if they are looking into two hdd codes being on xbox live at the same time. That would give a little light into the issue I think.
EDIT2:Also thinking that I played with people on Mechassult and they had other stuff that made them invencable or fire way too fast or move really fast I wonder if they can detect that also and ban you.
Post by: -Gadget- on November 16, 2004, 07:09:00 AM
and in the end will have checked everything but why experiment on getting banned we know this !
The marrage theory is FACT ! once ya go on live with the updtae2 then that xbox/eeprom is married and if u break this u get banned. simple.
people worrying about the date is silly, we know this already..
it started when xbox version 2 was out... so once ya updated to v2+ then ya stuck with that drive marrage..
ok BUT here the bit we DO NOT KNOW !!
once banned ya need a new gaming tag to get on..FACT
(unless someone can confirm this not working)
diferent HDD and eproms, and a clean HDD and a switch for the chip ..
now from what ive read this does'nt work !! why.. as this is solving the marrage problem!
WHY !! well.. a flagged xbox gametag gets more checks FACT
so what else they checking on a flagged xbox .. now this is what needs to be found out/researched wqhat else are they checking .. could be multiple things !
OK .. what COULD they be checking ?
1. LPC points ... not sure this is even possible but this is one option...
2. or MY theroy, the Master password being TEAM ASSEMBLE
3. something else !!
Soooooo if some one can check this out then THIS will be helping out on the next step !
so a summary, we know why/how we are initially getting banned...
but once a banned, what are the new checks that are being implemented ?
thanks for reading ... Mick ..
Post by: Gumba on November 16, 2004, 10:09:00 AM
| QUOTE (-Gadget- @ Nov 16 2004, 04:12 PM) |
| i think Gumba's idea for ydgmms is perfect .. FIRST set the control xbox .. then slowy do things in rreverse order of the probability of banning and in the end will have checked everything but why experiment on getting banned we know this ! The marrage theory is FACT ! once ya go on live with the updtae2 then that xbox/eeprom is married and if u break this u get banned. simple. people worrying about the date is silly, we know this already.. it started when xbox version 2 was out... so once ya updated to v2+ then ya stuck with that drive marrage.. ok BUT here the bit we DO NOT KNOW !! once banned ya need a new gaming tag to get on..FACT (unless someone can confirm this not working) diferent HDD and eproms, and a clean HDD and a switch for the chip .. now from what ive read this does'nt work !! why.. as this is solving the marrage problem! WHY !! well.. a flagged xbox gametag gets more checks FACT so what else they checking on a flagged xbox .. now this is what needs to be found out/researched wqhat else are they checking .. could be multiple things ! OK .. what COULD they be checking ? 1. LPC points ... not sure this is even possible but this is one option... 2. or MY theroy, the Master password being TEAM ASSEMBLE 3. something else !! Soooooo if some one can check this out then THIS will be helping out on the next step ! so a summary, we know why/how we are initially getting banned... but once a banned, what are the new checks that are being implemented ? thanks for reading ... Mick .. |
I agree with you,
what really needs to be tested is what will get you banned with a flagged GT.
But I will also add another thing which needs testing, some people are getting banned for reasons which don't seem to be covered by marriage theory, these reasons need to be discovered too.
Luckily, for the vast majority of people, Marriage Theory currently seems to cover all of their bases that they need to worry about
...
An idea for trying to work out alternate reasons for getting banned would be to start with a stock-setup box (ie virgin eeprom + stock drive + unflagged gt), and progressively try to dirty it up until (if) it gets banned.
More or less the same approach needs to be used to work out what can get you banned with a flagged GT, except we wouldn't need to check for large drives etc, but what about 10G drives with f partitions... what about TEAMASSEMBLY, dirty c: drives? dirty e: drives? dirty saves? pirated Halo? font exploits? various modchips?
Post by: ydgmms on November 16, 2004, 10:49:00 AM
?
I dunno about takin off the chip either, cuz its on quicksolder method so its a bitch to take off. If I can get a new pinheader, I'll go ahead and do that, do you know where I can get one?
Post by: Gumba on November 17, 2004, 02:18:00 AM
| QUOTE (ydgmms @ Nov 16 2004, 07:45 PM) |
| well I don't have a stock virgin HD. and its associated eeprom. ? I dunno about takin off the chip either, cuz its on quicksolder method so its a bitch to take off. If I can get a new pinheader, I'll go ahead and do that, do you know where I can get one? |
bmmods.com will normally sell them for a dollar or so, try emailing them (they can be very accomodating), also, all modshops always have piles of stock drives on their shelves... ask him about that too... specifically for testing the XBL theories
Post by: lookformeb on November 17, 2004, 07:48:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 17 2004, 04:21 AM) |
| bmmods.com will normally sell them for a dollar or so, try emailing them (they can be very accomodating), also, all modshops always have piles of stock drives on their shelves... ask him about that too... specifically for testing the XBL theories |
We have quite a few stock HDDs unlocked.
https://www.bmmods.c...productid=16156
$5.99 with coupon code (in product description).
Post by: Gumba on November 17, 2004, 09:59:00 AM
| QUOTE (lookformeb @ Nov 17 2004, 04:51 PM) |
| We have quite a few stock HDDs unlocked. https://www.bmmods.c...productid=16156 $5.99 with coupon code (in product description). |
I take it these are XBL virgin drives
Post by: RideBurton164 on November 17, 2004, 11:36:00 AM
Post by: z00labus on November 17, 2004, 02:39:00 PM
| QUOTE (RideBurton164 @ Nov 17 2004, 08:39 PM) |
| xbox 1.6 here....had a 20gb in, took it out to put the stock back in...BANNED within 24 hours. |
Did you log into live with your 20gig HD ever? If so then that is why you were banned... Your 20gig HD was married with your eeprom.
Post by: mbratton on November 17, 2004, 07:31:00 PM
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=308884
Post by: ydgmms on November 17, 2004, 07:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 17 2004, 07:02 PM) |
| I take it these are XBL virgin drives |
aww but not pinheaders in stock?
do you have any that just haven't made it into the system?
I can't keep desoldering and resoldering the chip to test it the way Gumba would like...
Post by: cannondale on November 17, 2004, 11:58:00 PM
Post by: ydgmms on November 18, 2004, 12:00:00 AM
i mean..they're so cheap, right?
Post by: cannondale on November 18, 2004, 12:09:00 AM
| QUOTE (ydgmms @ Nov 18 2004, 09:03 AM) |
| hey buy me one then! i mean..they're so cheap, right? |
Ha! I have two btw -- both modded, so I need to get a third one... ;-)
Post by: ydgmms on November 18, 2004, 12:52:00 AM
it'll be my xmas gift...
Post by: lookformeb on November 18, 2004, 01:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 17 2004, 12:02 PM) |
| I take it these are XBL virgin drives |
Yup. All of those HDDs come out of a PreModded Xbox before they ever come near Xbox Live.
Post by: mygamertag on November 19, 2004, 02:06:00 PM
It seems to me that as helpful as this research and information is, you may be shooting yourselves in the foot! This forum has had so much press attention relating to this phenomenon surely M$ Bigwigs are aware of the information you are uncovering.
This may lead to more complex and unrecoverable means of detecting and banning XBOX modders on XBL.
Perhaps it is time this research were published in a less well known and/or publically available place. The way I see it at the moment is M$ are always gonna have the upper hand, after all they wouldn't have a forum showing the techniques they are using now would they??
How about a password protected forum only available by invite and to those known members of the forum?? This way membership would only spread to members trusted friends, and not the head of copyright protection at M$ Gaming department! Seems a little safer than the currect setup.
Anyhow, I have a new XBOX with an 80 gig HDD and am going to be putting my XBL account onto the Box tonight to play Halo 2, so if the marriage theory holds up for me I shouldn't have any problems.
Keep up the good work, you truly are the stars of the XBOX sub-community and without you we'd be stuffed but I simply felt you could perhaps take steps to cover your tracks a little.
Post by: mc_365 on November 19, 2004, 02:23:00 PM
Xbox V1.0
X2.2pro
X2 bios 4981.06 with live blocker
200Gig Maxtor swapped in July Played live up until october before first bannig wave
Stayed off Live october - november 16 alltogether.
Original HD was on live on and off with Different GamerTags for 2+ years.
Original HD had stuff all over.
Never Been Banned with either HD.
Ugraded HD Has all apps and dashes on F:/
Before trying Halo 2 live I formated C: and E:.
Extracted Slayers 2.5 on PC and FTP'd Retail C: and E: files to Xbox.
Turned Chip off, Put memory card with live account save.
Put Halo 2 in go to live tab put password in and took live update.
Played Halo 2 on live.
Never Played Halo 2 with chip on.
3 Days later.
Deleted all saves of game that where played with chip on (no new Live games played from backups).
Restarted Xbox With chip off.
Put memory card with live account in.
Go to live tab.
Recieve network error message.
Go to trouble shoot .
Get Modified Xbox Message.
No Live Account Found.
What did I do wrong? What theory does this lean towards?
Post by: Gumba on November 19, 2004, 07:09:00 PM
We know that people who upgraded in June are fine, and people who upgraded in August are not...
I haven't heard from anyone who did their upgrade n July until now
Post by: prplehz on November 19, 2004, 07:57:00 PM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 19 2004, 07:12 PM) |
| It leans toward the Marriage Theory with an improved date for the beginning of the marriages, sometime between July and June We know that people who upgraded in June are fine, and people who upgraded in August are not... I haven't heard from anyone who did their upgrade n July until now |
Whats between June and July, lol sorry I couldn't resist. No offence ment. I do that stuff too...
Post by: DarkJedi664 on November 19, 2004, 08:18:00 PM
Post by: Gumba on November 20, 2004, 06:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (prplehz @ Nov 20 2004, 04:53 AM) |
| Whats between June and July, lol sorry I couldn't resist. No offence ment. I do that stuff too... |
Okay then...
sometime within the 61 day period formed by the months June and July...
Perhaps July 1st would be a likely date... after all that's the beginning of Q1 or Q3 depending on when you start counting
Post by: -Gadget- on November 20, 2004, 07:55:00 AM
we know the date as FACT
its whenever ya updated to XBL v2
as proven very well here
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=308827&view=findpost&p=2020130
Mick ..
Post by: mygamertag on November 20, 2004, 09:57:00 AM
Fingers Crossed!!
Post by: Gumba on November 20, 2004, 05:35:00 PM
| QUOTE (-Gadget- @ Nov 20 2004, 04:51 PM) |
| ffs why are people still harping on about the date we know the date as FACT its whenever ya updated to XBL v2 as proven very well here http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2020130 Mick .. |
Because some people updated to Live 2.0 in March, and they only got banned if they changed their HD in July or late.
So, perhaps its "when you first ran Live 2.0 or better after June 2004"
Post by: ydgmms on November 20, 2004, 06:02:00 PM
| QUOTE (mygamertag @ Nov 20 2004, 07:00 PM) |
| Well just recovered my XBOX gamertag on my brand new modded xbox w/ 80 GB Maxtor drive. No ban yet and been playing halo 2 for a while!! Fingers Crossed!! |
have you experienced any long log in times?
How long has it been going?
Tell us your banned setup and what you did.
Post by: Rod Storm on November 20, 2004, 06:06:00 PM
Post by: ydgmms on November 20, 2004, 08:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (Rod Storm @ Nov 21 2004, 03:09 AM) |
| Hey everyone i was wondering if any of u could help. I was trying the marriage theroy solution by getting a HDD, eeprom and gamertag, all of which had never accessed live b4 but when i put the new hdd in i realised it didnt support hdd locking and i only found this out when using configmagic. So now when i try to put in my original stock or 120gb hdd i get an error 06 code when i boot up my xbox and now i cant access any of my dashboards that were on these drives. Is there anyway i can solve this problem so i can continue with getting back onto xblive. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks. |
did you unlock the HD before changing the eeprom? if not, you'll have to figureo ut how to unlock it via PC and use the password TEAMASSEMBLY
Post by: Duff Man on November 20, 2004, 10:19:00 PM
Post by: mygamertag on November 21, 2004, 06:09:00 AM
| QUOTE (ydgmms @ Nov 21 2004, 02:58 AM) |
| have you experienced any long log in times? How long has it been going? Tell us your banned setup and what you did. |
24 Hours later and still no ban!!
I have never been banned before. My first XBOX was totally unmodded but I bought a new one and then got rid of the old one!!
It has been taking a while to log in but i put that down to how busy the servers must be at the moment!!
Post by: mygamertag on November 21, 2004, 06:12:00 AM
| QUOTE (Duff Man @ Nov 21 2004, 07:15 AM) |
| now if i was to create my gamretag and sign up to xbox live with my mod off wots the chance i well be banned. |
Have you read the first post in this thread it seems to be accurate.
Post by: Gumba on November 21, 2004, 11:54:00 AM
| QUOTE (Rod Storm @ Nov 21 2004, 03:09 AM) |
| Hey everyone i was wondering if any of u could help. I was trying the marriage theroy solution by getting a HDD, eeprom and gamertag, all of which had never accessed live b4 but when i put the new hdd in i realised it didnt support hdd locking and i only found this out when using configmagic. So now when i try to put in my original stock or 120gb hdd i get an error 06 code when i boot up my xbox and now i cant access any of my dashboards that were on these drives. Is there anyway i can solve this problem so i can continue with getting back onto xblive. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks. |
Sounds like you took the drive out without unlocking it. Which means its probably locked to your previous eeprom.
If you have a copy of the previous eeprom backed up and you can load that... then you can unlock your previous drive, then load your new eeprom, then lock it again.
Post by: ydgmms on November 21, 2004, 03:39:00 PM
I couldn't get those pinheaders (bmm was out of stock) nor the stock HDs.
SOOOOOo
Whats the consensus on
new eeprom/new HD/old GT
and making the HD stock w/ every extra stuff on F:\
Or nothing on F:\ for a few days, to test the scanning of the HD vs the scanning of LPC theory ?
Post by: Gumba on November 21, 2004, 04:02:00 PM
Post by: LinoX on November 21, 2004, 04:54:00 PM
..and I can confirm the pseudo-marriage theory!
Actually MS SERVERS DON'T STORE your HD serial!
When you register with live YOU SIMPLY GET TWO "COOKIES" stored in an hidden place of your HD!!!
If you replace your HDD after registering with live your cookie is lost...and you'll be banned!
If you change your eeprom without changing the HDD the cookie mismatch and you will be banned..
This respects the marriage theory!
Why am I so sure?
I followed some steps...On my moddex XBOX..
0) I did the backup of eeprom.bin/hddkey.bin/disk.bin with slayers' evox installer 2.6
1) backed up my C: and E: drives with FTP
2) I deleted EVERYTHING on both C and E (I had no F or G)
3) I restored the DEFAULT files on C/E with a copy I did the first time I installed my xbit
4) At this point I have a modded xbox with the "pseudo"retail HD
5) I disabled xbit & reboot
6) msdash opened
7) inserted halo2 original disc
8) msdash updated to an msdash with live support
9) registered with live
10) played in LIVE for more than 1 week
11) disconnected the network cable
12) reactivated xbit
13) rebooted with slayers' evox installer
14) did a backup and.... WOW!!! in disk.bin I SAW SOME NEW VERY INTERESTING THINGS!
If you open disk.bin you can see something similar to 2 cookies:
the first contains the xbox serial number (look for "SN", or "xbox.com")
the second contains your gamertag (look for it)
and then was the light!
15) Unlocked the HDD
16) Installed it in my PC
17) Did a SECTOR-BY-SECTOR COPY to a 120GB HD
18) installed the 120GB HD in the xbox
19) LOCKED DRIVE
20) Already on live
21) STILL PLAYING! NO BANS!
with the sector-copying..I SIMPLY COPIED THE COOKIES! to the newer HD.
Probably i would get the same result replacing the disk.bin in the slayer's CD with mine and doing a FULL-RESTORE TO A LARGE HD. However I didn't try.
I'm not sure if M$ will do more check in the near future (for example a third cookie with the HDD serial) but actually this works.
Hope this helps, guys.
Post by: smokeingit on November 21, 2004, 05:08:00 PM
This post has been edited by smokeingit: Nov 22 2004, 01:09 AM
Post by: LinoX on November 21, 2004, 05:17:00 PM
This validates Lord-Iron's post:
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=306612&st=15
| QUOTE |
| Well I have been doing a packet scan on a banned and working xbox . and both xboxes send 1 your sbox serial number 2 your MAC address I have not found and s/n for HDD's |
maybe the mac address he sees is related to ethernet frame of the packet
and ever NOT SENT to M$
Post by: LinoX on November 21, 2004, 05:30:00 PM
ONE FOR THE CONSOLE ([email protected])
ONE FOR THE GAMER ([email protected])
Someone should try to DELETE HIS ACCOUNT FROM HIS XBOX (through dashboard).
The Console cookie should remain, the gamer one shouldn't.
But why this double authentication?
Moreover...
Gamer's password is the 4-button sequence
what's the console's password?
We should investigate in this direction...
Bye...
Post by: clouzot on November 21, 2004, 05:50:00 PM
| QUOTE (LinoX @ Nov 22 2004, 01:50 AM) |
| Finally I GOT IT!! ..and I can confirm the pseudo-marriage theory! Actually MS SERVERS DON'T STORE your HD serial! When you register with live YOU SIMPLY GET TWO "COOKIES" stored in an hidden place of your HD!!! If you replace your HDD after registering with live your cookie is lost...and you'll be banned! If you change your eeprom without changing the HDD the cookie mismatch and you will be banned.. This respects the marriage theory! Why am I so sure? I followed some steps...On my moddex XBOX.. 0) I did the backup of eeprom.bin/hddkey.bin/disk.bin with slayers' evox installer 2.6 1) backed up my C: and E: drives with FTP 2) I deleted EVERYTHING on both C and E (I had no F or G) 3) I restored the DEFAULT files on C/E with a copy I did the first time I installed my xbit 4) At this point I have a modded xbox with the "pseudo"retail HD 5) I disabled xbit & reboot 6) msdash opened 7) inserted halo2 original disc 8) msdash updated to an msdash with live support 9) registered with live 10) played in LIVE for more than 1 week 11) disconnected the network cable 12) reactivated xbit 13) rebooted with slayers' evox installer 14) did a backup and.... WOW!!! in disk.bin I SAW SOME NEW VERY INTERESTING THINGS! If you open disk.bin you can see something similar to 2 cookies: the first contains the xbox serial number (look for "SN", or "xbox.com") the second contains your gamertag (look for it) and then was the light! 15) Unlocked the HDD 16) Installed it in my PC 17) Did a SECTOR-BY-SECTOR COPY to a 120GB HD 18) installed the 120GB HD in the xbox 19) LOCKED DRIVE 20) Already on live 21) STILL PLAYING! NO BANS! with the sector-copying..I SIMPLY COPIED THE COOKIES! to the newer HD. Probably i would get the same result replacing the disk.bin in the slayer's CD with mine and doing a FULL-RESTORE TO A LARGE HD. However I didn't try. I'm not sure if M$ will do more check in the near future (for example a third cookie with the HDD serial) but actually this works. Hope this helps, guys. |
I have 3 back-ups of my disk.bin:
1 from the original HDD before ever connecting to live
1 from the upgrade (120gb) HDD right after connecting to live for the 1st time and getting file updates but no account set-up.
1 After account set-up.
I'll compare the 3 and report findings
Post by: elpool on November 21, 2004, 06:09:00 PM
What exactly is the disk.bin? Is it located somewhere on the HDD, or just generated by configmagic?
It would probably be helpful if someone had a disk.bin from an xbox that has been on live, but not since they updated to live 2.0.
also, Did you format the F: partition after installing the new hard drive?
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Wait a minute, this doesn't make sense. Because I can use my gamertag on a completely different xbox (through account recovery) that wouldn't have the cookie.
hmm, so the cookie would have to store some info about the eeprom. And then if the eeprom and the info about the eeprom on the HDD dont match, you get banned. THat way changing the EEPROM without changing the HDD results on a non-match, and a ban. but then changing the HDD without changing the EEPROM would be just like doing an account recovery on a new xbox, and wouldnt cause a ban. But changing a hard drive DOES cause a ban, so somethings not quite right here.
Post by: Gumba on November 21, 2004, 07:17:00 PM
| QUOTE (smokeingit @ Nov 22 2004, 02:04 AM) |
| hm.. have to test Linox theory. |
Yes, sounds interesting
Post by: ydgmms on November 21, 2004, 07:59:00 PM
When I first installed my 160GB hd, I did Slayers backup. So I have a disk.bin that hadn't been on live yet.
I just rebacked it up after reading his post.
I compared them:
Original NonLive disk.bin did *NOT* have any SN or xbox.com information.
My rebacked up LIVE disk.bin *DID* have that information.
What use this is... I dunno yet.
This post has been edited by ydgmms: Nov 22 2004, 04:17 AM
Post by: clouzot on November 21, 2004, 10:04:00 PM
| QUOTE (ydgmms @ Nov 22 2004, 04:55 AM) |
| I can confirm a portion of LinoX findings. When I first installed my 160GB hd, I did Slayers backup. So I have a disk.bin that hadn't been on live yet. I just rebacked it up after reading his post. I compared them: Original NonLive disk.bin did *NOT* have any SN or xbox.com information. My rebacked up LIVE disk.bin *DID* have that information. What use this is... I dunno yet. |
I can confirm as well !
I have 3 of them:
"Original" disk.bin, virgin box never been on line
"Updated for live" generated right after my first connection to live network
"With gametag" last version after seting up my account.
All 3 are different !!!
Post by: URPREY on November 22, 2004, 12:21:00 AM
Nice work. Hopefully someone can figure out how to use that file to get these boxes unbanned, or at least a way to carry that information over easily to new drives...
Post by: Maverick0984 on November 22, 2004, 01:04:00 AM
Post by: LinoX on November 22, 2004, 01:15:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| How long have you been connecting to Live since you did this? |
About 5 days!
| QUOTE |
| Is it located somewhere on the HDD, or just generated by configmagic? |
Generated from a program (I don't now what slayer uses to make the backup, when I go back home I'll let you know)
| QUOTE |
| Did you format the F: partition after installing the new hard drive? |
No! I don't know what happens to cookies with the format (actually I HAVE NO F partition) so a REPARTITION would be necessary but.. what happens if the cookies are stored in the partition table? BAN!! I'll wait until things become more clear!
| QUOTE |
| Because I can use my gamertag on a completely different xbox (through account recovery) that wouldn't have the cookie. |
No, you have TWO cookies, TWO passport accounts, ONE FOR THE GAMER (you can "restore account" on a blank xbox) and ONE FOR THE CONSOLE <--- this bans the console!
| QUOTE |
| so the cookie would have to store some info about the eeprom. And then if the eeprom and the info about the eeprom on the HDD dont match, you get banned. THat way changing the EEPROM without changing the HDD results on a non-match, and a ban. |
The console cookie yes! When you subscribe LIVE you create 2 accounts at xbox.com the first is your serial number (stored in your eeprom), the second is your gamertag.
| QUOTE |
| but then changing the HDD without changing the EEPROM would be just like doing an account recovery on a new xbox, and wouldnt cause a ban. |
No, because when you change your HDD you loose BOTH cookies and the "restore account" tries to
1) find the gamer account and store the first cookie on the disk
2) create the console account (THAT ALREADY EXISTS on xbox.com but is missing from the drive) and so you're banned! because... If the console account already exists why the cookie on the disk is missing? YOU CHANGED THE DRIVE!
This post has been edited by LinoX: Nov 22 2004, 09:18 AM
Post by: Maverick0984 on November 22, 2004, 01:24:00 AM
Post by: LinoX on November 22, 2004, 01:37:00 AM
Each console account CAN BE CREATED ONLY ONCE!
..or ban!
Post by: elpool on November 22, 2004, 03:19:00 AM
If you just got a new EEPROM it could ban you because your hard drive would have the WRONG cookie for that eeprom. But if you completely reformatted, there would be no cookies on the HDD, and no passport account for the xbox, so you should be able to connect to live. This might be a good test to try.
Post by: URPREY on November 22, 2004, 05:55:00 AM
That's why changing the hard drive completely ""fools" them into thinking it's a new box.
Has anyone tried a low-level format after banning?
Post by: mrRobinson on November 22, 2004, 06:58:00 AM
I now know 3 different people who bought xbox's, modded them with a larger HDD before ever connecting online. Have played on live for the past 2 years with no issues with the chip off and have recently been banned...
Wouldn't this disprove any sort of marriage theory or a comparison of files msft is doing to a stock hdd with a new one since these people only were ever on live with the larger hdd. And aren't there reports of people banned with a chip with the stock hdd still? I just think they are doing something more foolproof than looking for a different hdd.
Post by: Rod Storm on November 22, 2004, 09:14:00 AM
But u say ur friends have been playing on live for the past 2 yrs which would mean they probably dont have the newer versions of xbox so this theory could just be allot of crap. Whoops my bad.
Post by: Rod Storm on November 22, 2004, 09:15:00 AM
| QUOTE (URPREY @ Nov 22 2004, 02:58 PM) |
| It depends on where these cookies are stored. If they are stored in the boot sector, they likely wouldn't be affected by a normal format. That's why changing the hard drive completely ""fools" them into thinking it's a new box. Has anyone tried a low-level format after banning? |
If any of u want to try these theories theres is a program called autoclave which will totally erase ur hdd. Here is the link autoclave
All u do basically is connect the hdd u want to totally erase to ur pc and once u have made a bootable floopy with the autoclave program, reboot ur computer and autoclave should run automatically.
NOTE: Make sure u disconnect ur other hdd's before doing this.
Post by: extractor on November 22, 2004, 09:17:00 AM
I got banned from XBlive without ever using it without a modchip. However, I registered with my stock HDD. Got banned a week ago (never tried Halo 2 on xblive). Now I changed EEPROM and HDD, it works fine since a few days. Hopefully stays like that.
Post by: deacon187 on November 22, 2004, 10:20:00 AM
| QUOTE (LinoX @ Nov 21 2004, 06:50 PM) |
| Finally I GOT IT!! ..and I can confirm the pseudo-marriage theory! Actually MS SERVERS DON'T STORE your HD serial! When you register with live YOU SIMPLY GET TWO "COOKIES" stored in an hidden place of your HD!!! If you replace your HDD after registering with live your cookie is lost...and you'll be banned! If you change your eeprom without changing the HDD the cookie mismatch and you will be banned.. This respects the marriage theory! Why am I so sure? I followed some steps...On my moddex XBOX.. 0) I did the backup of eeprom.bin/hddkey.bin/disk.bin with slayers' evox installer 2.6 1) backed up my C: and E: drives with FTP 2) I deleted EVERYTHING on both C and E (I had no F or G) 3) I restored the DEFAULT files on C/E with a copy I did the first time I installed my xbit 4) At this point I have a modded xbox with the "pseudo"retail HD 5) I disabled xbit & reboot 6) msdash opened 7) inserted halo2 original disc 8) msdash updated to an msdash with live support 9) registered with live 10) played in LIVE for more than 1 week 11) disconnected the network cable 12) reactivated xbit 13) rebooted with slayers' evox installer 14) did a backup and.... WOW!!! in disk.bin I SAW SOME NEW VERY INTERESTING THINGS! If you open disk.bin you can see something similar to 2 cookies: the first contains the xbox serial number (look for "SN", or "xbox.com") the second contains your gamertag (look for it) and then was the light! 15) Unlocked the HDD 16) Installed it in my PC 17) Did a SECTOR-BY-SECTOR COPY to a 120GB HD 18) installed the 120GB HD in the xbox 19) LOCKED DRIVE 20) Already on live 21) STILL PLAYING! NO BANS! with the sector-copying..I SIMPLY COPIED THE COOKIES! to the newer HD. Probably i would get the same result replacing the disk.bin in the slayer's CD with mine and doing a FULL-RESTORE TO A LARGE HD. However I didn't try. I'm not sure if M$ will do more check in the near future (for example a third cookie with the HDD serial) but actually this works. Hope this helps, guys. |
if this was the case i dont think i should of been banned then,
i had a 1.3 modded and a 1.4 for live only, the 1.3 got banned for going on live with a backup that a friend had my original of ghost recon but i never transfered the gamer tag to the 1.4 i made a new one to strat new records with fever 2004 and inside pitch and top spin
anyway the 1.3 got royally fkd up hard drived crashed i screwed lpc points soldering and desoldering a pin header playing with a X2.6, so 4 months ago i put my chameleon in the 1.4 and formated a f partition, this box was live only for like 8 months, 3 months ago i put in 160 gig HD and made the format boot disk by editing the ini file with the evox 3921 dash, put my disk.bin file on there and formatted the drive, ftp everything from the old drive to the new one so technically it chouldnt of changed anything, should of transfered the cookies and all eeprom info, even transfered live dashboard and gamertag this way, so the drive should of looked the same as the old one
for the prior 3 months i havent had any troubles at all, untill i put in halo 2 than the next day i was banned
is there anything that would of been missed transfering the way i did
i still have my old back up info, i will make a eeprom back now and compare the 2 to see if anything is changed but they should be the same i would think
it just dont make sense to me, with the mariage theory, i should of been banned 2-3 months ago yet everything was fine until halo2
i still have the original 10 gig drive but if my eeprom isnt good anymore niether will that drive because it should have the same info as the 160 the only thing that should be different would be the HD model and serial #
i have no clue what to test or change, i do have a virgin eeprom but if it gets banned someone will get really pissed so at this point i have an unmodded 1.6 for live
but if theres any info i could cross reference between the stock drive and my 160
to suppport any of the theorys let me know what to look for
Post by: Gumba on November 22, 2004, 11:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (elpool @ Nov 22 2004, 12:15 PM) |
| Ok, then it should be possible to to unban your xbox by reformatting your hard drive, and getting a new EEPROM. But doesn't this result in a re-ban? If you just got a new EEPROM it could ban you because your hard drive would have the WRONG cookie for that eeprom. But if you completely reformatted, there would be no cookies on the HDD, and no passport account for the xbox, so you should be able to connect to live. This might be a good test to try. |
Well, this could explain the results some have been getting where tehy report being able to get back on with their old banned HD as long as they enter a new HDD key (ie a new eeprom).
Which would be very good news.
Post by: Gumba on November 22, 2004, 11:36:00 AM
Post by: gerzand on November 22, 2004, 11:37:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 22 2004, 07:25 PM) |
| Well, this could explain the results some have been getting where tehy report being able to get back on with their old banned HD as long as they enter a new HDD key (ie a new eeprom). Which would be very good news. |
Well i guess you would know if reformatting a hard drive fixes this because you can reformat, then backup the disk.bin and see if the "cookies" are in there. This would tell you if they are stored in the table or not.
Post by: DarkStar007 on November 22, 2004, 12:12:00 PM
I have ordered a Halo 2 + Live! Starter kit. I have a 1.6 version and a Executer 2 lite ( or something). Now i have sometimes booted the M$ dashboard with my chip on did i screwed it up for Live! or is it no problem? I have a 120 gig HDD my C: is clean. Is it pretty "safe"for me? I never had logged in for live.
Post by: gerzand on November 22, 2004, 12:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (gerzand @ Nov 22 2004, 07:40 PM) |
| Well i guess you would know if reformatting a hard drive fixes this because you can reformat, then backup the disk.bin and see if the "cookies" are in there. This would tell you if they are stored in the table or not. |
UPDATE****
Reformatting in windows, and reformatting in Evox does NOT get rid of the DISK.BIN file!!! It is on the partition table.
My next step is to clean the whole drive (including partition table and boot sectors) with Autoclave. I will report back after class with my findings......
Post by: X2Gamer on November 22, 2004, 12:18:00 PM
Post by: clouzot on November 22, 2004, 12:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (X2Gamer @ Nov 22 2004, 09:21 PM) |
| what do you use to look at the info inside of the file disk.bin? I want to give it a try. |
Any good hex editor !
Post by: Gumba on November 22, 2004, 12:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (DarkStar007 @ Nov 22 2004, 09:08 PM) |
| Hi, I have ordered a Halo 2 + Live! Starter kit. I have a 1.6 version and a Executer 2 lite ( or something). Now i have sometimes booted the M$ dashboard with my chip on did i screwed it up for Live! or is it no problem? I have a 120 gig HDD my C: is clean. Is it pretty "safe"for me? I never had logged in for live. |
If you haven't updated your dash, and if you haven't set up XBL then you might be lucky.
But in future, do not load the MS Dash while you have a hacked bios loaded.
You should be fine.
Post by: X2Gamer on November 22, 2004, 12:51:00 PM
Post by: xionanx on November 22, 2004, 12:51:00 PM
Just so I've got the steps down as we known them currently:
1. Low Level format the banned HDD (using AutoClave or some other tool capable of doing a low level format)
2. Install NEW (never been on live) EEPROM in banned XBOX
3. Install HDD (after low level format) in XBOX and then FORMAT and LOCK IT. (should I make an F: drive?)
4. Do an account recovery (rathar then create an entirely new account, since it has been proven that creating a new account with a new EEPROM and HDD works fine).
5. Play on Live, wait 48+ hours, play on live again to see if I have been banned.
Anything I'm missing here? Should I compile extensive documentation on exactly everything I do, and what equipment I use?
Post by: DarkStar007 on November 22, 2004, 01:02:00 PM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 22 2004, 09:27 PM) |
| If you haven't updated your dash, and if you haven't set up XBL then you might be lucky. But in future, do not load the MS Dash while you have a hacked bios loaded. You should be fine. |
At my m$ dashboard stands the live option ... is that the thing that you meant????
Post by: X2Gamer on November 22, 2004, 12:55:00 PM
Post by: xionanx on November 22, 2004, 01:22:00 PM
Post by: -Gadget- on November 22, 2004, 01:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (xionanx @ Nov 22 2004, 09:54 PM) |
| This is great news! I just hope its true! I'm more then willing to test this theory out with my v1.0 XBOX (which just got banned last weekend). A few dollars for a new EEPROM sure beats the price for a completely new XBOX any day, and if it helps figure this mess out so the scene benefits then all the better. Now.. to find that EEPROM selling guy... Just so I've got the steps down as we known them currently: 1. Low Level format the banned HDD (using AutoClave or some other tool capable of doing a low level format) 2. Install NEW (never been on live) EEPROM in banned XBOX 3. Install HDD (after low level format) in XBOX and then FORMAT and LOCK IT. (should I make an F: drive?) 4. Do an account recovery (rathar then create an entirely new account, since it has been proven that creating a new account with a new EEPROM and HDD works fine). 5. Play on Live, wait 48+ hours, play on live again to see if I have been banned. Anything I'm missing here? Should I compile extensive documentation on exactly everything I do, and what equipment I use? |
yeah looks like a plan that ..
from whats been discovered looks like tTHAT is the way forward !
and way to go LinoX looks like THIS is the step forward
so its a combination of this, and teh HDD key
as i presume the HDD key theory fits in by
instead of banning serial of you xbox, they are using the HDD key ...
so that ..
2. Install NEW (never been on live) EEPROM in banned XBOX
could just be update to a new HDD unbanned HDD key
Mick ..
Post by: Gumba on November 22, 2004, 01:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (xionanx @ Nov 22 2004, 09:54 PM) |
| This is great news! I just hope its true! I'm more then willing to test this theory out with my v1.0 XBOX (which just got banned last weekend). A few dollars for a new EEPROM sure beats the price for a completely new XBOX any day, and if it helps figure this mess out so the scene benefits then all the better. Now.. to find that EEPROM selling guy... Just so I've got the steps down as we known them currently: 1. Low Level format the banned HDD (using AutoClave or some other tool capable of doing a low level format) 2. Install NEW (never been on live) EEPROM in banned XBOX 3. Install HDD (after low level format) in XBOX and then FORMAT and LOCK IT. (should I make an F: drive?) 4. Do an account recovery (rathar then create an entirely new account, since it has been proven that creating a new account with a new EEPROM and HDD works fine). 5. Play on Live, wait 48+ hours, play on live again to see if I have been banned. Anything I'm missing here? Should I compile extensive documentation on exactly everything I do, and what equipment I use? |
Yes, and you want to make sure you do the New Gamertag thing
Post by: xionanx on November 22, 2004, 01:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 22 2004, 10:36 PM) |
| Yes, and you want to make sure you do the New Gamertag thing |
I guess after creating a new account and being certain this works, I could then do an account recovery to see if the "more extensive test on a flagged gamertag thoery" holds true.
Luckily I have my 2 months free from HALO 2...
BTW: If someone knows of a faster way to get a clean EEPROM, let me know. I'm talking within 24 hours or less. (I'm impatient, not to mention I dont even know if the guy I contacted has any left)
Post by: -Gadget- on November 22, 2004, 01:45:00 PM
| QUOTE (Gumba @ Nov 22 2004, 10:36 PM) |
| Yes, and you want to make sure you do the New Gamertag thing |
yes and no !!!
Yes because that will 100% work, as we know this from previous expriments
NO, because we wanna test if thats all there checking (even on a tagged GT)
that is- the cookies, and HDDkey/eeprom etc ..
Mick ..
Post by: TLP on November 23, 2004, 12:26:00 AM
If in fact the accounts are stored in some hidden place on the HDD the same data that supports the marriage theory would support this.
This method would also take much less overhead in the XBox Live system. When the Live 2.0 update came out it make it so your xbox made a passport/xbox.com account in addition to your gamertag. This created the hidden data on the drive so that if you did an account recovery for a different gamertag the console account would not be created because the cookies/data is already on the drive.
When a new drive is installed when you connect to Xbox live the cookie is not present so the console tries to create a new console account at Xbox live. Since the console account already exist in the Xbox live system MS will know that you modified the box and banned that serial number.
This theory can also explain why you get re-banned if you change the EPROM but not the hdd. The hdd will have the cookies/data from your old EPROM. Since the serial number of the Xbox (that has been shown to be sent to the live servers) does not match the serial number of the console account on the drive once again they can tell the box has been modified and ban the new serial number.
Here is one more test to help prove this theory:
1. on a banned box backup the disk.bin file.
2. Install a new EPROM
3. backup the disk.bin again and compare it to the disk.bin before you changed the EPROM. If the theory is right then the disk.bin file will have the serial number of your old EPROM, not the one you just flashed to.
Like other suggested before, you can insert various methods of formatting after step 2 to see how the results change.
Post by: CyberShark on November 23, 2004, 02:56:00 AM
| QUOTE (TLP @ Nov 23 2004, 09:29 AM) |
| Here is one more test to help prove this theory: 1. on a banned box backup the disk.bin file. 2. Install a new EPROM 3. backup the disk.bin again and compare it to the disk.bin before you changed the EPROM. If the theory is right then the disk.bin file will have the serial number of your old EPROM, not the one you just flashed to. |
I have done something similar ad I still not banned. Here following the full story:
I bought the xbox and started playing live with Splinter Cell Pandora tomorrow and Mechwarrior. At that time i did not have a mod chip on it.
On half June I bought an Aladin advance plus and I have installed it myself.
Unfortunately at that time I did not readed all the forum before did it, so when I have finished to modify the xbox I have stick in the evox disk (with the network cable connected) Unfortunately the disk was not good and the xbox skipped it and load ms dash. Now because the xbl 2.0 enable an autologon feature my ms dash attempt to log on on xbl and ban my xbox (because it take at least 12 hour I did not realize it immediately).
When finally I have fixed the evox disk I was able to install evox on the C drive and boot from it normally. Than I saw this option backup on evox menu, it sounds very good to me so I did it. The next day of curse I was banned. (that was for the autologon after install the chip)
I start reading the forum and I found that the solution was to replace the emprom (This still half of June) so a good friend that does not have DSL and is not interest to have it gave to me the his EPROM. I have loaded it from the cfg file with configmagic and I did an account recovery and play live till begging of November (just a week before Halo 2).
My little sister bought an xbox as well so I have modified it and get her eprom (she is not interested in play live and she don't have dsl) and I thought to replace again the EPROM on my xbox for free up my friend to going live (he was thinking to finally get a DSL for play HALO2 on line)
So I have installed again a new eprom and did again the account recovery just before did the update to xbl 3.0. than I loged on live with Rainbow six 3 and I got the request to install xbl 3 and I did, I was not yet aware of the banning problem at that time.
I heard rumours of all this ban just the day I bought Halo 2 so before log on with Halo I have clean up C and E and delete all the save of XBMC from the MS dash.
Than I log on Live with Halo 2 and Played for 4 days with no Ban.
Yesterday I saw the new discover over the disk.bin so I check may backup and I found the disk.bin i backup up the day I have install the modchip (and I was banned the first time) on this file I have my original SN (the banned one). Than I decide to create a new one, in the new one of today I have the SN of my sister xbos that I'm using right now without ban.
I think the key might be in the account recovery I did just before install xbl 3.0
Yesterday evening I have also place back file on C and E and log on HALO 2 I will let you know in a couple of day if I can still play.
My Xbox:
V 1.5
Chip Aladin Advance +
Stock HD WD 8 Gb
Avalanch in C
Apps and Games on E
GT banned once in June 04
On live before mod it.
I hope this can help narrow down the ban trigger. If you have question fell free to ask it.
Post by: DarkStar007 on November 23, 2004, 08:55:00 AM
Post by: blueskull on November 23, 2004, 12:10:00 PM
Post by: LinoX on November 23, 2004, 12:17:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Ok, there is a simple way to figure out where these "Cookie" are at. We need to find out how Evox Generates the disk.bin file. As far as i can tell Evox Is not open source so someone involved with Evox will have to tell us how that file is generated. |
Or unlock the disk, connect it to a pc, use winhex to search the disk for "SN.xxxxxxx" and get the sector...
However, looking at evox, I'm about sure that the cookies are in the first 512kb of the disk.
However, looking at evox, I'm about sure that the cookies are in the first 512kb of the disk.
| QUOTE |
| If in fact the accounts are stored in some hidden place on the HDD the same data that supports the marriage theory would support this. This method would also take much less overhead in the XBox Live system. When the Live 2.0 update came out it make it so your xbox made a passport/xbox.com account in addition to your gamertag. This created the hidden data on the drive so that if you did an account recovery for a different gamertag the console account would not be created because the cookies/data is already on the drive. |
You're right.
| QUOTE |
| When a new drive is installed when you connect to Xbox live the cookie is not present so the console tries to create a new console account at Xbox live. Since the console account already exist in the Xbox live system MS will know that you modified the box and banned that serial number. This theory can also explain why you get re-banned if you change the EPROM but not the hdd. The hdd will have the cookies/data from your old EPROM. Since the serial number of the Xbox (that has been shown to be sent to the live servers) does not match the serial number of the console account on the drive once again they can tell the box has been modified and ban the new serial number. |
And this is not new.. We should try to do more tests...
For example...
We should try to reverse-engineer the console passport account.
We should try to LOG xbl signon in three cases:
1) new console activation (a console that never saw xbl)
2) a old console access
3) a banned console attempt to logon
MOREOVER...
It would be very useful a series of disk layout.bin.
Take a new console, backup his eeprom, store in it a new eeprom, take disk.bin
Sign on live, creating a new gamertag, take disk.bin
Turn on the modchip, sign on live, let this console be banned, wait until they ban the console, take disk.bin
Now I have some questions:
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: LinoX on November 23, 2004, 12:20:00 PM
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For example...
We should try to reverse-engineer the console passport account.
We should try to LOG xbl signon in three cases:
1) new console activation (a console that never saw xbl)
2) a old console access
3) a banned console attempt to logon
MOREOVER...
It would be very useful a series of disk layout.bin.
Take a new console, backup his eeprom, store in it a new eeprom, take disk.bin
Sign on live, creating a new gamertag, take disk.bin
Turn on the modchip, sign on live, let this console be banned, wait until they ban the console, take disk.bin
Now I have some questions:
- Why you have to buy a new eeprom?
- Can't you change only the serial number to the banned one?
- How theese new eeproms are generated?
Post by: LinoX on November 23, 2004, 12:20:00 PM
| QUOTE (blueskull @ Nov 23 2004, 09:13 PM) |
| ok about this whole COOKIE deal...Linox, if there is a cookie on the xbox that signs up an account, then that would mean that if you transfer your account using a memory card to another xbox without the cookie...then you will be banned. that just doesnt work for me....maybe theres more(or less) to this cookie thing than meets the eye. |
I think you should read twice what I wrote..
When you transfer the gamertag with the memory card, you transfer only the gamer cookie. The console cookie remains in the disk.
The destination console (in which you transfer the cookie) already has a console cookie (if it was ever connected to live) or will create one at the first logon.
Post by: -Gadget- on November 23, 2004, 12:43:00 PM
| QUOTE (LinoX @ Nov 23 2004, 09:20 PM) |
Now I have some questions:
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hello linox ..
firstly i think u should post ya info to X-S and/or make a new thread on this !! .
as you have made the best breakthough since gumba's marriage theory !
as this explains it that, plus explians more !!
To you questions about them banning your serial.
well if u put in angerwounds theory ..
which is that they are not actually logging/banning the serail of your xbox
but the HDD key of the xbox ! as this number is MUCH more unique.
and plus is a proper caculated/hashed secure number.
and thus cannot be just guessed/generated !
so with every1 theory put together
i believe we have actually explained EVERYTHING !! thats going on !
food for thought, Mick ..
Post by: LinoX on November 23, 2004, 03:49:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| i think u should post ya info to X-S and/or make a new thread on this |
How do I do this?
I asked the forum moderator to make this thread sticky (or pinned or whatever you call when the thread doesn't go away and stays on top)
But I still got no reply.
I think that this post CAN really be a start point for further studies...
But as I can see it has limited visibility...
I was searching a well-known place for my theory (well...it's more than a theory) and I thought that xbox-scene's forum was the right place...
Maybe it should be published in the mainpage of xbox-scene through a "news"?
Post by: X2Gamer on November 23, 2004, 04:28:00 PM
Post by: LinoX on November 23, 2004, 04:43:00 PM
| QUOTE (-Gadget- @ Nov 23 2004, 09:39 PM) |
| they are not actually logging/banning the serail of your xbox |
FALSE! We KNOW that actually they LOG/BAN the serial of the xbox because actually they "kill" your console passport account ([email protected]).
So a banned xbox is an xbox that can't authenticate with a banned console account.
So a banned xbox is an xbox that can't authenticate with a banned console account.
| QUOTE (-Gadget- @ Nov 23 2004, 09:39 PM) |
| but the HDD key of the xbox ! as this number is MUCH more unique. and plus is a proper caculated/hashed secure number. and thus cannot be just guessed/generated ! |
Well...this statement can contain the final aswer to a big question: "..what's the console password?" Now I think it may be related to the hard disk key...If I could change the serial to log in XBL why do I need a new eeprom?
two answers:
If I can simply change the serial and my logon is successful it isn't related to hdd key
If I can't log-in to XBL then there's something more than the xbox serial..
I can't because they don't rely ONLY on my serial!
Well.. I don't think they store EACH HDD key for each xbox they sold (for performace/design issues) so if we assume that the console password is related to the hdd key we've ONLY ONE POSSIBILITY:
The hdd key is generated with an hash/sign function on the Serial number.
So the whole registration process can be this:
two answers:
If I can simply change the serial and my logon is successful it isn't related to hdd key
If I can't log-in to XBL then there's something more than the xbox serial..
I can't because they don't rely ONLY on my serial!
Well.. I don't think they store EACH HDD key for each xbox they sold (for performace/design issues) so if we assume that the console password is related to the hdd key we've ONLY ONE POSSIBILITY:
The hdd key is generated with an hash/sign function on the Serial number.
So the whole registration process can be this:
| CODE |
| 1) Look on the disk if a console passport account exists 2) If it already exists on the disk then the console was already on XBL go to (4) 3) If it doens't exist.. a) Take the HDDkey from the eeprom, hash it (or encrypt it with the public key) b) Try to create a passport account (user: [email protected] password:hash(HDDKey)) c) (server) If the passport account already exists 1) (server) Ban the account (HDD replaced) 2) (server) Return an error to the XBOX 3) (xbox) Exit from the registration process d) (server) If the passport account doesn't exist 1) (server) create the account 2) (server) Return confirmation to the xbox 3) (xbox) Store the account credentials on the disk 4) If the username on console cookie differs from the eeprom serial ---> BAN because HDD was taken from another xbox, or eeprom was changed. 5) If the username on console cookie is equal to the eeprom serial log-on with console passport account. 6) Create or load a gamertag account 7) Store the gamertag account credentials on the disk 8) Begin with live |
Post by: xionanx on November 23, 2004, 05:28:00 PM
Post by: blueskull on November 23, 2004, 09:45:00 PM
| QUOTE (LinoX @ Nov 23 2004, 09:23 PM) |
| I think you should read twice what I wrote.. When you transfer the gamertag with the memory card, you transfer only the gamer cookie. The console cookie remains in the disk. The destination console (in which you transfer the cookie) already has a console cookie (if it was ever connected to live) or will create one at the first logon. |
exactly....well, what i get out of it is that the reason you get banned is because you make a cookie on the hdd when you sign on live and if you change the hdd(one without cookie) xbl will recognize it and say its invalid and ban your hddkey... welll isnt that the same thing as using someone elses box and connecting to live? why not just format your hdd and then xbl wont see the cookie and make a new one?...or why cant you just delete your account and recover it...that should ask xbl to make a new cookie, no? this is just to clarify
Post by: xionanx on November 23, 2004, 10:26:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| well, what i get out of it is that the reason you get banned is because you make a cookie on the hdd when you sign on live and if you change the hdd(one without cookie) xbl will recognize it and say its invalid and ban your hddkey... welll isnt that the same thing as using someone elses box and connecting to live? |
No, its not. If you use someone elses XBOX, whether it has been on Live or not, it's EEPROM & HDD Key will match when you sign onto live. However, if you take the HDD out of an XBOX that has signed onto Live before, then install a new drive, the "EEPROM+HDD Marriage Flag" will be missing from the new drive. When you connect to Live, a new one will need to be made, at which point Live checks your EEPROM and notices that it has been "Marriade" to another HDD, and that ='s ban the EEPROM, the HDD that it was marriade to, and the HDD that you are currently trying to use.
| QUOTE |
| why not just format your hdd and then xbl wont see the cookie and make a new one?...or why cant you just delete your account and recover it...that should ask xbl to make a new cookie, no? this is just to clarify |
A normal format wont remove the flag from the drive since it is stored in the (partition table/master boot record); however, I am currently testing to see if a Low Level Format will remove the flag. Once an XBOX has been banned, it needs a new EEPROM (since the EEPROM is banned) as well as a new HDD (unless we discover a way to remove the flag from the drive), simply deleting the account and doing a recovery will not work. As a matter of fact, your not even able to GET to the recovery part or the create new account part if you have a banned XBOX.
Post by: Gumba on November 23, 2004, 10:59:00 PM
| QUOTE (blueskull @ Nov 24 2004, 06:41 AM) |
| exactly....well, what i get out of it is that the reason you get banned is because you make a cookie on the hdd when you sign on live and if you change the hdd(one without cookie) xbl will recognize it and say its invalid and ban your hddkey... welll isnt that the same thing as using someone elses box and connecting to live? why not just format your hdd and then xbl wont see the cookie and make a new one?...or why cant you just delete your account and recover it...that should ask xbl to make a new cookie, no? this is just to clarify |
Ahh, no.
That's not the same thing because you're "using someone else's xbox". An xbox has an eeprom, and this contains information specific to that xbox. The theory is that a cookie is made on the xbox's hd which is somehow correlated to this xbox specific information. If that cookie is missing and should be there, then you get banned.
Post by: xionanx on November 23, 2004, 11:38:00 PM
Upon creating a new XBOX Live account on a clean, un-modded XBOX, the following occurs:
A "cookie" is placed on the HDD in the MBR/PT. This is the "EEPROM HDD Marriage Flag". This information is NOT stored in a M$ database as it is more efficient to store it and check it on the local drive.
The EEPROM used to create the "EHMF" (EERPOM HDD Marriage Flag) IS recorded in a database. This database tracks EEPROM's and prevents them from ever creating a NEW "EHMF". Once again, highly effecient since an EEPROM should only ever create one once, it also allows for XBOX repair/reconditioning since a HDD could be replaced and the technician could "remove" the EEPROM from the database rather then install a new one.
When you attempt to log onto live, the "EHMF" is checked on your HDD, if it exists you are allowed to log on, if it doesn't exist it will attempt to create one which will result in a ban IF the EEPROM was used to create one already. Or, if a "EHMF" already exists and it doesn't match the current EEPROM, this also results in a ban.
Upon being banned, the following occurs:
The EEPROM is recorded in a "Prevent Access" database, this is nothing new and has been going on since day 1 as far as we know.
Nothing new is recorded on the HDD that marks it as banned, since if it has a "EHMF" that doesn't match if it is used with a new EEPROM it will result in a ban and any EEPROM that it had been previously matched with it is likely banned becuase a new HDD had been installed . This is why only NEW HDD's can be used with NEW EEPROM's. (note, a Low Level Format MAY remove the "EHMF") Once again, super effiecient, no need to connect to servers to verify.
(this is where things start getting really hazy, as most of the other stuff I've stated can be backed up by the information we currently have)
The Gamertag: It is possible that the Gamertag that was used is flagged in some way, however exactly WHAT those flags are is still only speculation. It is possible that all future logins using that tag will have thier HDD S/N checked against a database containing stock HDD S/N's (which would explain why it's only possible to use stock HDD's with a new EEPROM if you intend to keep your old gamertag).
I believe this combines the "HDD Marriage Theory" well, along with the information gatherer by Lord Icon and his packet sniffing and LinoX and his HDD checking. (why do I feel like I'm playing CLUE). Note that this ALSO complies with the privacy laws in certain countires, since NO INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE SENT TO M$ other then the EEPROM key. Anyway, if anyone would care to poke holes in this thoery and or validate it with some tests, have at it.
Post by: X2Gamer on November 24, 2004, 12:53:00 AM
Post by: ydgmms on November 24, 2004, 01:23:00 AM
| QUOTE (X2Gamer @ Nov 24 2004, 09:56 AM) |
| I agree with what you say, xionanx, but the real question now might be if somehow we can remove the flag like by low level format on the hdd. I just obtained a new eeprom and am going to format my banned stock hdd and try to sign on again. I'll tell you how it goes. It might help if someone could give me a free trial so i can sign up for a new account to avoid the tagged gamertag issue. |
cant you like:
back up the information using slayers (eepromm/hddkey/disk.bin)
discconect the network cable
format the drive (using slayers)
do a retail setup (slayers)
then backup the eeprom/hddkey/disk.bin etc..
hex it, see if it is the same as the pre-low-level format.
sign up for XBL
reback up the info
compare the 3 see whats up?
Meh. Its llate....i'm FINALLY gonna get to play halo2 in a bit....don't have to worry bout gettin banned...i already am! SUCKAS!
Post by: Gumba on November 24, 2004, 02:01:00 AM
Also, on another vein, I'm just waiting for some serious positive confirmations (I don't think I've seen *any* yet) on this new Local Marriage Data theory to update the main post with the latest info
1) we need to confirm that the hd based metadata is in fact the marriage data
2) we need to confirm that a low-level format will actually virginize the drive
Post by: xionanx on November 24, 2004, 02:19:00 AM
Of course, another quick and easy way to check if the information is stored locally would be for someone to do some more packet sniffing using a banned XBOX. See if it makes a connection to XBOX Live at all, or if it simply refuses to even try due to the flag being set. (unfortunantly, this is a little beyond my skill level, but it would help prove that a "flag" of some kind is set locally that prevents access)
Post by: ydgmms on November 24, 2004, 06:01:00 AM
| QUOTE (xionanx @ Nov 24 2004, 11:22 AM) |
| Well, I'll be able to give confirm/refute the local marriage theory within 48 hours of this post, at least in the fact that we are able to un-ban previously banned HDD's by doing a Low Level Format and aquiring a New Gamertag. Of course, another quick and easy way to check if the information is stored locally would be for someone to do some more packet sniffing using a banned XBOX. See if it makes a connection to XBOX Live at all, or if it simply refuses to even try due to the flag being set. (unfortunantly, this is a little beyond my skill level, but it would help prove that a "flag" of some kind is set locally that prevents access) |
cant you just disconnect the cable and attempt to connect.
You SHOULD get a "cannot connect" message and it determine there was no cables, but if you get a "cannot connect->modded hardware/software" then it must be checking locally.
?
Post by: xionanx on November 24, 2004, 06:01:00 AM
| QUOTE (ydgmms @ Nov 24 2004, 02:57 PM) |
| cant you just disconnect the cable and attempt to connect. You SHOULD get a "cannot connect" message and it determine there was no cables, but if you get a "cannot connect->modded hardware/software" then it must be checking locally. ? |
Thats so crazy it might just work.. hmm, someone should try that, as I am no longer able too since I am testing something else at the moment. Granted I'm fairly certain it at least checks for a network connectiong first.
Post by: -Gadget- on November 24, 2004, 06:28:00 AM
when using EVOx to
(I beleieve this is what slayers is based on ??? as i dont use that !)
create all the partitions.. (as in when u put in a NEW HDD etc)
u use the command "ConfigSector "\backup\disk.bin""
well as u can see it uses the disk.bin file to make the partitions and so on ..
so can we not just use this function to wipe these flags ??
(by using diferent disk.bin files)
o and xionanx, i think ya ya explination is pefect m8
all bar this part !
thier HDD S/N checked against a database containing stock HDD S/N's
dont think this is gonna tally up..
i think the confusion here is that people gone back to there original drive because of this cookie deal .. etc
Mick ..
Post by: TLP on November 24, 2004, 11:27:00 AM
| QUOTE (xionanx @ Nov 24 2004, 11:22 AM) |
| Well, I'll be able to give confirm/refute the local marriage theory within 48 hours of this post, at least in the fact that we are able to un-ban previously banned HDD's by doing a Low Level Format and aquiring a New Gamertag. Of course, another quick and easy way to check if the information is stored locally would be for someone to do some more packet sniffing using a banned XBOX. See if it makes a connection to XBOX Live at all, or if it simply refuses to even try due to the flag being set. (unfortunantly, this is a little beyond my skill level, but it would help prove that a "flag" of some kind is set locally that prevents access) |
I will also be testing with low level formating and toying around with a clean disk.bin and trying to put it on a non-virgin hdd to see what happens (i only have one clean eprom so i don't know how much i can do).
I will also be packet sniffing all of this to see if i can get helpful data.
Should have more info tonight or this weekend at the latest.
Post by: mc_365 on November 24, 2004, 12:50:00 PM
Post by: xionanx on November 24, 2004, 03:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (xionanx @ Nov 24 2004, 08:41 AM) |
| I'm going to theorise just a little here, someone else may have already put this all together, but I'm a damned lazy bastard so I didn't do a search for it. Anyway, here goes. Upon creating a new XBOX Live account on a clean, un-modded XBOX, the following occurs: A "cookie" is placed on the HDD in the MBR/PT. This is the "EEPROM HDD Marriage Flag". This information is NOT stored in a M$ database as it is more efficient to store it and check it on the local drive. The EEPROM used to create the "EHMF" (EERPOM HDD Marriage Flag) IS recorded in a database. This database tracks EEPROM's and prevents them from ever creating a NEW "EHMF". Once again, highly effecient since an EEPROM should only ever create one once, it also allows for XBOX repair/reconditioning since a HDD could be replaced and the technician could "remove" the EEPROM from the database rather then install a new one. When you attempt to log onto live, the "EHMF" is checked on your HDD, if it exists you are allowed to log on, if it doesn't exist it will attempt to create one which will result in a ban IF the EEPROM was used to create one already. Or, if a "EHMF" already exists and it doesn't match the current EEPROM, this also results in a ban. Upon being banned, the following occurs: The EEPROM is recorded in a "Prevent Access" database, this is nothing new and has been going on since day 1 as far as we know. Nothing new is recorded on the HDD that marks it as banned, since if it has a "EHMF" that doesn't match if it is used with a new EEPROM it will result in a ban and any EEPROM that it had been previously matched with it is likely banned becuase a new HDD had been installed . This is why only NEW HDD's can be used with NEW EEPROM's. (note, a Low Level Format MAY remove the "EHMF") Once again, super effiecient, no need to connect to servers to verify. (this is where things start getting really hazy, as most of the other stuff I've stated can be backed up by the information we currently have) The Gamertag: It is possible that the Gamertag that was used is flagged in some way, however exactly WHAT those flags are is still only speculation. It is possible that all future logins using that tag will have thier HDD S/N checked against a database containing stock HDD S/N's (which would explain why it's only possible to use stock HDD's with a new EEPROM if you intend to keep your old gamertag). I believe this combines the "HDD Marriage Theory" well, along with the information gatherer by Lord Icon and his packet sniffing and LinoX and his HDD checking. (why do I feel like I'm playing CLUE). Note that this ALSO complies with the privacy laws in certain countires, since NO INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE SENT TO M$ other then the EEPROM key. Anyway, if anyone would care to poke holes in this thoery and or validate it with some tests, have at it. |
OK, I'm here to refute certain bits of my thoery due to the results I have had with attempting to Low Level Format a HDD, Install a new EEPROM, then attempt to create a new Gamertag.
It is still possible that a "cookie" is stored locally upon creating a XBOX Live account on a brand new XBOX, however if it is, it is done solely for the purpose of speeding up connection to XBOX Live as I'm willing to bet this information is also passed onto the XBOX Live servers as well.
I still believe the EEPROM Key is recorded by XBOX Live, however I also now belive that the HDD S/N is also recorded, if ever the 2 shouldn't match then you will be banned. Any EEPROM or HDD that was found when a mismatch occured is also recorded, creating a "Ban Tree" if you will.
I still may be possible that
| QUOTE |
| When you attempt to log onto live, the "EHMF" is checked on your HDD, if it exists you are allowed to log on, if it doesn't exist it will attempt to create one which will result in a ban IF the EEPROM was used to create one already. Or, if a "EHMF" already exists and it doesn't match the current EEPROM, this also results in a ban. |
Like I said before, IF a flag is stored locally, it is likely done solely to speed up the connection process, possibly even for archive purposes if the XBOX Live authentication servers should ever be brought down/destroyed.
| QUOTE |
| Upon being banned, the following occurs: The EEPROM is recorded in a "Prevent Access" database, this is nothing new and has been going on since day 1 as far as we know. Nothing new is recorded on the HDD that marks it as banned, since IF it has a "EHMF" that doesn't match if it is used with a new EEPROM it will result in a ban and any EEPROM that it had been previously matched with it is likely banned becuase a new HDD had been installed . This is why only NEW HDD's can be used with NEW EEPROM's. (note, a Low Level Format MAY remove the "EHMF") Once again, super effiecient, no need to connect to servers to verify. |
I still believe the above to be true, however a Low Level Format accomplishes nothing since I'm certain now that the HDD S/N is recorded in a "banned" database. Even if you were able to remove the "EHMF" (if one even exists) from the drive, when you attempt to connect to Live, the drive will be recognized and access will be refused.
I still dont know what to think about gamertag flags.. who knows, maybe they record every EEPROM and HDD S/N you've ever logged on with and cross reference your current EEPROM's manufacturing facilities information with what system hardware is installed at that particular factory.. Ie "Does factory (X) where this EEPROM originates from use (Thomson, Samsung, Philips) DVD Drives in conjuction with (HDD Manufacturer) HDD's.. ect.. This would be a simpler way to "watching" a particular gamertag then keeping track of every S/N of every drive installed at all the factories.
This revision still backs up the HDD Marriage theory, as well as complies with privacy laws, however we need more information on what is stored locally (if anything at all) and what is checked during logon (more packet sniffing all around).
Personally, I've had my fill of trying to beat the system and have purchased a new XBOX, which I am wholeheartedly recomending the rest of you do as well. I know we haven't seen the last of the XBOX Live mod detection upgrades, and I fear that eventually the only way to be 100% certain you can get on live is to have a clean XBOX. Dont get me wrong, I do hope a solution to the current problem can be found, I just feel that it will all be done if vain as M$ rolls out better methods of detecting modchips.-
Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: X2Gamer on November 24, 2004, 04:11:00 PM
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So xionanx, doing a low level hdd format, getting anew eeprom and a new gamertag won't get you unbanned? I was going to try it, but if it doesn't work then i'll save my eeprom for sometihng else.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: ghostdunks on November 24, 2004, 06:56:00 PM
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From what I can tell, using a clean disk.bin isn't going to be much good if this cookie thing is for real... if you use a clean disk.bin which you do the ConfigSector, ie. no cookies will be present on this new "prepared" hd, so when you connect to Live, Live won't find the cookie and will try and create a new "console" account, but will fail because the console account already exists, and will flag it as modified again..this will only happen though if the cookie thing is for real
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: X2Gamer on November 24, 2004, 08:15:00 PM
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so basically the next step is to confirm if the cookie really exists?
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: feet14 on November 25, 2004, 10:39:00 AM
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When I swapped my HDD after being on live, I used this tutorial. I followed it to the letter. It calls ConfigSector using disk.bin from c:\backup on your old HD. I still got banned. So replacing disk.bin in Slayer probably won't work.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: gerzand on November 25, 2004, 10:58:00 AM
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I still dont know what to think about gamertag flags.. who knows, maybe they record every EEPROM and HDD S/N you've ever logged on with and cross reference your current EEPROM's manufacturing facilities information with what system hardware is installed at that particular factory.. Ie "Does factory (X) where this EEPROM originates from use (Thomson, Samsung, Philips) DVD Drives in conjuction with (HDD Manufacturer) HDD's.. ect.. This would be a simpler way to "watching" a particular gamertag then keeping track of every S/N of every drive installed at all the factories.
This revision still backs up the HDD Marriage theory, as well as complies with privacy laws, however we need more information on what is stored locally (if anything at all) and what is checked during logon (more packet sniffing all around).
Personally, I've had my fill of trying to beat the system and have purchased a new XBOX, which I am wholeheartedly recomending the rest of you do as well. I know we haven't seen the last of the XBOX Live mod detection upgrades, and I fear that eventually the only way to be 100% certain you can get on live is to have a clean XBOX. Dont get me wrong, I do hope a solution to the current problem can be found, I just feel that it will all be done if vain as M$ rolls out better methods of detecting modchips.
Post by: X2Gamer on November 24, 2004, 04:11:00 PM
Post by: ghostdunks on November 24, 2004, 06:56:00 PM
Post by: X2Gamer on November 24, 2004, 08:15:00 PM
Post by: feet14 on November 25, 2004, 10:39:00 AM
Post by: gerzand on November 25, 2004, 10:58:00 AM
| QUOTE (X2Gamer @ Nov 25 2004, 04:18 AM) |
| so basically the next step is to confirm if the cookie really exists? |
This "disk.bin" does exist on the partition table because after a low-level format using Autoclave the disk.bin is empty of any modified code. http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=310240&st=15 method works with a NEW gamertag and a NEW eeprom. Recovering a Flagged gamertag is now being tested to see if it also works.
Post by: Gumba on November 25, 2004, 03:02:00 PM
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| The Local Marriage Theory A new theory which is a refinement to the original Marriage Theory has been floated recently, and successful test results are just beginning to come in. The theory is that MS marries the EEPROM to the HD by writing metadata onto the HD in a part which doesn't get erased by normal formatting. If at a later date you connect to live and this data is not there when it should be, or is there when it shouldn't be, or is wrong, then you get banned. This is an interesting theory because : 1) it explains the results the original Marriage Theory predicts, and 2) it also explains some results that the original Marriage Theory doesn't predict! and 3) it predicts that you can possibly get back on live without acquiring an XBL Virgin HD! You should be able to virginize your current HD and thus get back on live by low-level formatting it (or fully zeroing it). You need to use a program like autoclave to do this, as evox and other formatters are not low-level enough. So, the (not 100% confirmed) steps to getting back onto live are 1) get new eeprom 2) autoclave your HD 3) get a new gamertag if your HD is not stock (LinoX initial post : http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=2024516) (confirmation: http://forums.xbox-s...ic=310240&st=15) |
Post by: -Gadget- on November 25, 2004, 04:57:00 PM
as this is were its proven that u can get back on witha banned HDD
showing you that HDD/console/SN/GT info is (also) held locally not server side ..
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=310240&view=findpost&p=2035794
Mick ...
Post by: TLP on November 25, 2004, 08:16:00 PM
If you use slayers it uses the "ConfigSector \disk.bin" with an empty disk.bin file.
if you format with slayers, then do a backup the disk.bin file does NOT have the passport accounts on it. Much Much faster than low level format.
I am currently on live with same hdd (formatted and verified passport info was gone), new gamertag, new EPROM.
I have several disk.bin files that i will post when I get some time that show different changes that occur to the disk.bin after different action.
I can't confirm anything at the moment but booting H2 with the chip on did change some things in the disk.bin file, could be nothing, could be something.
I am inclined to think that the flagged gamertag theory is true. If it is why don't they flag gamertags that use the same address, phone, cc#, etc during signup?
I'll update if anything new happens.
Post by: xrthawk on November 25, 2004, 10:23:00 PM
Post by: X2Gamer on November 25, 2004, 11:21:00 PM
Post by: ydgmms on November 26, 2004, 12:17:00 AM
Here is the latest test.
I had a banned 1.0 w/ 160GB harddrive.
I just changed out the 160 for a 200GB, set it up and formatted it using Slayers. I only formatted C: and E: (thru xenium i did X; Y; Z;). I installed the dash only.
I used my old GT. So if its flagged, we'll see what their scanning for.
There is no F:\. There are no rogue files on C: E: X; Y; Z;. Nor will I put any on for as long as possible, (I do like to watch movies, so I might have to put on EvoX and DVDX. However, I will ftp them through XeniumOS. Discconect ethernet. Watch movies. Reconnect cable Go back in to XOS and FTP delete the files from E:\.
So if and when I get banned. We can narrow down what their scanning for. Cuz I will try to keep NO rogue files on the harddrive and no F:\ partition. While connected.
So if I get banned. It should either be by an LPC scan or HD Masterkey check. Or some OTHER method.
The only thing I noticed so far is that it takes a while to log into the Friends section of the dash. I cant remember how long it would take before I got banned. But I know when I logged on to see if I was banned, it would take a while.
I'ma pop in NHL2k5 (latest XBL game I have- yeah..STILL no halo2 for me)
Well. Here's to another soon-to-be-banned Xbox eeprom/hd. However, if it does get banned. I probably won't be bothering anymore. I only have an extra 60GB. and dont care that much.
. So in short: I have an extra eeprom.XBL GT: YDoesGodMockMe (<--fitting? If only you knew).
Post by: DarkProphecy on November 26, 2004, 01:43:00 AM
I got xbl a long time ago, maybe a month or two after it came out, and then I canceled my account. Now if all this marrige stuff is true, would they have been recording them back then? So if i had xbl way before the whole new banning system and then modded my box and got xbl again i *should* be good according to what recent testing has shown?
Post by: ydgmms on November 26, 2004, 02:23:00 AM
IE) A few people upgraded their HD in June and are still on live. Others (myself included) did it in August, and are banned. And there was a few major updates at that time too, I believe 2.0 came out aroudn that time, according to some posts.
Post by: whitie on November 26, 2004, 02:42:00 AM
planning after xmas to just get a new xbox just 4 live and recovering my flagged gamertag!!!!!!
Post by: rubberbandboy on November 26, 2004, 03:01:00 AM
This post has been edited by rubberbandboy: Nov 26 2004, 03:01 PM
Post by: Gumba on November 26, 2004, 03:23:00 AM
| QUOTE (whitie @ Nov 26 2004, 11:38 AM) |
| right listen up guys cant see how the marriage theory affected me i had my xbox before live even came out and done a 40 gig hd upgrade only got live about 3 months ago been playing fifa 2005 and unreal with no problems, until recently i played halo 2 not on live just on xbox but with chip on did not connect to xbox live while playing this, went to play fifa cuople of nights later and got the xbox modified syndrome which leads me to believe they are also scanning the lpc but this only happened after playing halo 2 so i am thinking that halo 2 has some sort of file on it that enables m$ to scan your motherboard lpc to find a chip, and by the way i took the eeprom off my sons xbox and put on mine managed to play xbox live for 1 night and got banned again doh!!!!! planning after xmas to just get a new xbox just 4 live and recovering my flagged gamertag!!!!!! |
Unless you were specifically running a BIOS with an XBL blocker you would've gotten banned because H2 automatically connects to XBL.
Ie, a mundane ban.
Post by: xionanx on November 26, 2004, 03:32:00 AM
Lets do a what if scenario:
What if M$ made thier own version of Pheonix Boot Loader, and their own BFM BIOS. They could then insert this code into the defualt.xbe's on newer games, so if the disc in in the tray while the system is booting the new bios is loaded, drive is scanned, if F: exists then a "note" is made in a save file (some people have reported rogue unnamed saves). The next time you log onto live, or maybe even right then, this information is relayed to the servers and your XBOX is banned.
*This could explain why some people have noticed the lights coming on on thier mod chips.
*It could explain why so many people were affected by Halo 2, simply because it was the newest game available and LOTS of people got it. There may very well be other games that do the same thing, but since they were not as popular, no one noticed.
*Could also explain how some people got banned in the first place, even though they dont fall cleanly into the "Marriage Theory" (which still holds true, its just some people dont fit it)
*Could also explain how "flagged" gamertags are being re-detected.
I can think of no reason why this isn't possible, as the ONLY thing that prevents PBL from running on an un-modified XBOX is the fact that it is unsigned code. If M$ did produce a signed version and inserted into the dash itself or a game XBE then used it to scan for F:, G: or any drive letter that shouldn't be there... well, you get the idea.
I'm not saying this is something they ARE doing now, I'm just saying that it's possible.
Post by: whitie on November 26, 2004, 03:37:00 AM
Post by: Gumba on November 26, 2004, 03:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (whitie @ Nov 26 2004, 12:33 PM) |
| no i have not got the bios which blocks the automatic connect but i do have my xbl passworded so surely before it automaticly connected i would have to put in password???? |
No.
My advice is to never have the internet and your xbox connected to each other if you're playing a game with a modded bios which doesn't support XBL blocking.
Modern games automatically connect. And you will get banned for a modchip.
You should've been using X2 4981 or 4983. 1.6/1.6b users can not use an XBL blocking BIOS and should disconnect their ethernet cable when playing modern games on their xbox with a modded bios.
Post by: ydgmms on November 26, 2004, 08:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (ydgmms @ Nov 26 2004, 09:13 AM) |
| Gumba and -Gadget- Here is the latest test. I had a banned 1.0 w/ 160GB harddrive. I just changed out the 160 for a 200GB, set it up and formatted it using Slayers. I only formatted C: and E: (thru xenium i did X; Y; Z;). I installed the dash only. I used my old GT. So if its flagged, we'll see what their scanning for. There is no F:\. There are no rogue files on C: E: X; Y; Z;. Nor will I put any on for as long as possible, (I do like to watch movies, so I might have to put on EvoX and DVDX. However, I will ftp them through XeniumOS. Discconect ethernet. Watch movies. Reconnect cable Go back in to XOS and FTP delete the files from E:\. So if and when I get banned. We can narrow down what their scanning for. Cuz I will try to keep NO rogue files on the harddrive and no F:\ partition. While connected. So if I get banned. It should either be by an LPC scan or HD Masterkey check. Or some OTHER method. The only thing I noticed so far is that it takes a while to log into the Friends section of the dash. I cant remember how long it would take before I got banned. But I know when I logged on to see if I was banned, it would take a while. I'ma pop in NHL2k5 (latest XBL game I have- yeah..STILL no halo2 for me) Well. Here's to another soon-to-be-banned Xbox eeprom/hd. However, if it does get banned. I probably won't be bothering anymore. I only have an extra 60GB. and dont care that much. :D. So in short: I have an extra eeprom. XBL GT: YDoesGodMockMe (<--fitting? If only you knew). |
Well
That was unbelievably fast. Banned by 10am.
Well there was NO F:\ and NO rogue xbes and 1 game save (NHL2k5). I hadn't booted into iNDBios except for using slayers to setup the drive, after that I used XOS to lock and boot retail kernal.
Bye bye Xbox Live. I hardly knew ye.
Anyway. So, they are NOT scanning for game saves, rogue XBEs, or even F:\. Since I had none of those and still got banned.
We can scratch that off.
Good luck fellas.
I'll stick to Kai and XBC.
Post by: URPREY on November 26, 2004, 09:29:00 AM
I'm not sure what this file does, but it's 4MB in size, and doesn't hex like any other save game file I've seen before. It's located in the folder of the profile I was using when I was banned?
Post by: -Gadget- on November 26, 2004, 10:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (ydgmms @ Nov 26 2004, 05:38 PM) |
| Well That was unbelievably fast. Banned by 10am. Well there was NO F:\ and NO rogue xbes and 1 game save (NHL2k5). I hadn't booted into iNDBios except for using slayers to setup the drive, after that I used XOS to lock and boot retail kernal. Bye bye Xbox Live. I hardly knew ye. Anyway. So, they are NOT scanning for game saves, rogue XBEs, or even F:\. Since I had none of those and still got banned. We can scratch that off. Good luck fellas. I'll stick to Kai and XBC. |
u have'nt mentioned the state of your eprom ? (XBL virgin ?)
or the 200GB hdd that u did use this time ? also is it a xbox/xbl virgin ?
Mick ...
Post by: CyberShark on November 26, 2004, 11:25:00 AM
| QUOTE (CyberShark @ Nov 23 2004, 11:59 AM) |
| I have done something similar ad I still not banned. Here following the full story: I bought the xbox and started playing live with Splinter Cell Pandora tomorrow and Mechwarrior. At that time i did not have a mod chip on it. On half June I bought an Aladin advance plus and I have installed it myself. Unfortunately at that time I did not readed all the forum before did it, so when I have finished to modify the xbox I have stick in the evox disk (with the network cable connected) Unfortunately the disk was not good and the xbox skipped it and load ms dash. Now because the xbl 2.0 enable an autologon feature my ms dash attempt to log on on xbl and ban my xbox (because it take at least 12 hour I did not realize it immediately). When finally I have fixed the evox disk I was able to install evox on the C drive and boot from it normally. Than I saw this option backup on evox menu, it sounds very good to me so I did it. The next day of curse I was banned. (that was for the autologon after install the chip) I start reading the forum and I found that the solution was to replace the emprom (This still half of June) so a good friend that does not have DSL and is not interest to have it gave to me the his EPROM. I have loaded it from the cfg file with configmagic and I did an account recovery and play live till begging of November (just a week before Halo 2). My little sister bought an xbox as well so I have modified it and get her eprom (she is not interested in play live and she don't have dsl) and I thought to replace again the EPROM on my xbox for free up my friend to going live (he was thinking to finally get a DSL for play HALO2 on line) So I have installed again a new eprom and did again the account recovery just before did the update to xbl 3.0. than I loged on live with Rainbow six 3 and I got the request to install xbl 3 and I did, I was not yet aware of the banning problem at that time. I heard rumours of all this ban just the day I bought Halo 2 so before log on with Halo I have clean up C and E and delete all the save of XBMC from the MS dash. Than I log on Live with Halo 2 and Played for 4 days with no Ban. Yesterday I saw the new discover over the disk.bin so I check may backup and I found the disk.bin i backup up the day I have install the modchip (and I was banned the first time) on this file I have my original SN (the banned one). Than I decide to create a new one, in the new one of today I have the SN of my sister xbos that I'm using right now without ban. I think the key might be in the account recovery I did just before install xbl 3.0 Yesterday evening I have also place back file on C and E and log on HALO 2 I will let you know in a couple of day if I can still play. My Xbox: V 1.5 Chip Aladin Advance + Stock HD WD 8 Gb Avalanch in C Apps and Games on E GT banned once in June 04 On live before mod it. I hope this can help narrow down the ban trigger. If you have question fell free to ask it. |
Almost a week after I have add unsighed software on C and D and I still not banned.
I can confirm that even when you have hacked stuff on C and E you will not be banned.
The only think that m$ check is if you have the "cookie" serialofyoursxbox@xbox.com on the FAT table of your HD and if this is missing or different from the one they have recorded when you have register that xbox on xbl they will ban it.
Also I think that i you switch you EPROM and you do an account recovery before install the updates of xbl you can recover a banned xbox.
On my it work but was banned before the latest update of xbl so somebody should try to do it with a recent banned xbox or with an xbox after change the HD for see if it will always work.
Post by: DarkProphecy on November 26, 2004, 12:18:00 PM
Post by: ydgmms on November 26, 2004, 12:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (-Gadget- @ Nov 26 2004, 07:32 PM) |
| u have'nt mentioned the state of your eprom ? (XBL virgin ?) or the 200GB hdd that u did use this time ? also is it a xbox/xbl virgin ? Mick ... |
Yes.
Post by: Gumba on November 26, 2004, 05:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (ydgmms @ Nov 26 2004, 05:38 PM) |
| Well That was unbelievably fast. Banned by 10am. Well there was NO F:\ and NO rogue xbes and 1 game save (NHL2k5). I hadn't booted into iNDBios except for using slayers to setup the drive, after that I used XOS to lock and boot retail kernal. Bye bye Xbox Live. I hardly knew ye. Anyway. So, they are NOT scanning for game saves, rogue XBEs, or even F:\. Since I had none of those and still got banned. We can scratch that off. Good luck fellas. I'll stick to Kai and XBC. |
As I've said quite a few times, all evidence suggests that they can spot a non-stock HD when you use a flagged gamertag, and you will get banned... even if the contents are completely like retail.
Personally I think they're either spotting model numbers, serial numbers or drive size.
If someone has an 8 or 10GB drive which IS NOT from an xbox, then that could be used to see if its drive size.
Post by: Gumba on November 26, 2004, 04:58:00 PM
| QUOTE (DarkProphecy @ Nov 26 2004, 09:14 PM) |
| So what would some one say the probability from the tests and data collected that MS is actually using the marrige theroy to ban people? 90% 95%? I really hope someone can 100% for sure figure this out someday. |
Yeah, 100%, the only uncertainty is if there are other ban-vectors at work.
Post by: -Gadget- on November 27, 2004, 06:53:00 AM
and keeping to that marrige theory !
its just if you want to use a flagged (previously banned) GT
that is when there are other checks invovled
Mick ..
Post by: Gumba on November 27, 2004, 05:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (-Gadget- @ Nov 27 2004, 03:56 PM) |
| its the marrige theory 100% (proven by the local cookies etc ) and keeping to that marrige theory ! its just if you want to use a flagged (previously banned) GT that is when there are other checks invovled Mick .. |
Well, sure, but there are other 100% confirmed ban-vectors.
for example, using a non MS, xboxdash.xbe will get you banned very quickly. Just like going online with a modchip enabled will. But if you don't go online with your modchip enabled, don't have a dumb install (evox as xboxdash.xbe!) and don't try to play hacked games online... and obey the marriage theory... and don't have a flagged gamertag, you'll be fine
Post by: ipodder2003 on November 27, 2004, 07:29:00 PM
I've got a 120 gig HD in my softmodded xbox (UDE1), and I'm thinking about getting live (this box has never been on live), but I can't get it, correct? Because xboxdash.xbe is PBL?
Post by: Gumba on November 27, 2004, 10:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (ipodder2003 @ Nov 28 2004, 04:32 AM) |
| I'm still trying to figure this out exactly... I've got a 120 gig HD in my softmodded xbox (UDE1), and I'm thinking about getting live (this box has never been on live), but I can't get it, correct? Because xboxdash.xbe is PBL? |
Exactly...
So, you could try restoring the proper dash and stuff...
Or you could actually just get a read modchip
Post by: smokeingit on November 28, 2004, 04:04:00 AM
Post by: ydgmms on November 28, 2004, 11:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (ydgmms @ Nov 26 2004, 05:38 PM) |
| Well That was unbelievably fast. Banned by 10am. Well there was NO F:\ and NO rogue xbes and 1 game save (NHL2k5). I hadn't booted into iNDBios except for using slayers to setup the drive, after that I used XOS to lock and boot retail kernal. Bye bye Xbox Live. I hardly knew ye. Anyway. So, they are NOT scanning for game saves, rogue XBEs, or even F:\. Since I had none of those and still got banned. We can scratch that off. Good luck fellas. I'll stick to Kai and XBC. |
Oops...i TOTALLY forgot to mention this:
I have a HD activity LED wired up. When I would go into the Friends section of Live. It would flash A LOT. and take a while to get to it. I don't remember if thats normal or not.
Post by: brahm2 on November 30, 2004, 05:33:00 PM
Post by: debikkel on December 01, 2004, 03:04:00 AM
Xbox 1.1, Chameleon, 40Gb HD, X2 4983 bios, Slayer 2.6 setup on C and F, 2 months live trial.
I modded the box long before I tried live, and the bios automatically blocks the live port, so I can't log into live with the chip on. Whenever I try and risk banning, I got the message Live network could not be reached.
Whenever I go to live, I do so by evoX's "boot w.o. chameleon" option. This boots in normal mode, and since my C: drive is absolutely clean except for an evoxdash.xbe, this seems to work fine.
The past few weeks I went in and out of live several times with different games, just for testing. Still not banned. My trial should be due over soon. I'm not sure if M$ makes any difference in full/trial subscriptions, this here is just my testresults I wanted to share with you.
I don't use Live anyway, I'm more of a KAI user (tagname "commanderkeen").
Frag me anytime there, I pretty much suck on Halo 2 hehe ;-)
Cheers
Post by: Gumba on December 01, 2004, 07:51:00 PM
| QUOTE (thegerudo @ Dec 1 2004, 06:17 AM) |
| wtf... trying to sort thru this shit... i am trying to go the safest road, which is dont get banned in the first place! marriage theory is great, but what if they change! My first question is what if they say scan for a HD > 10gigs = ban in the future? I have a 1.3 w/Xenium & 80gig. i think the safest route would be to just use a stock HD for live... maybe old school it with external set up and swap the friggin things... basically create a dual personality xbox, one virgin, one whorebag... i'll dual wield my hds the xtender would then be a good option right? use the stock + 2 beasts w/ a xenium... word? Heres another question. I unlocked and fuct up a 10gig HD (put it on my computer). Can i use slayer or something to restore and lock, and its good as new? i mean ms could only ban someone for a larger hd or any hd w/unsigned shit on it, right? another question: this marriage theory, are you applying it only to large hds? say as an example my hd is fuct, i send xbox to ms and get a new one (stock), would i run the risk of being banned? wtf help thanks |
If MS decides to change the rules again all bets are off.
MS can do whatever they need to do to make it so repair/work they carry out won't get you banned.
If you're concerned about future changes, then the Extender is a good option... unless you have already gone on Live with an upgraded HD. You can get banned for switching HD even if you're switching from an upgraded HD to a stock HD (even the original stock HD!)
And yes, you should be able to re-setup an HD to stock using Slayers, but some have been saying that that's not true
Post by: Gumba on December 01, 2004, 07:53:00 PM
Post by: dalime on December 01, 2004, 11:43:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| The past few weeks I went in and out of live several times with different games, just for testing. Still not banned. My trial should be due over soon. I'm not sure if M$ makes any difference in full/trial subscriptions, this here is just my testresults I wanted to share with you. |
They don't discriminate.
I got banned in less than 24 hrs. on a trial subscription.
Post by: Gumba on December 02, 2004, 05:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (-Gadget- @ Dec 2 2004, 02:47 PM) |
| i dont know .. but i got the same prob here too !! so its not just u ! i cannot re-edit me posts either !!hope its just a short term thing Mick .. |
No, its permanent, unless the powers that be decided otherwise.
Its screwed up, because some people were abusing the system, the system has been removed
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=315812
You should post your concerns in here : http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=316811 I suppose
Post by: Gumba on December 05, 2004, 05:33:00 PM
Post by: xprezz on December 06, 2004, 08:54:00 AM
I may have missed it, but I have yet to see confirmation that the following works:
Situation
Banned xbox
Large harddrive (the one that was in the box on banning)
GT (the one used for signing in when ban occured)
solutions
Fresh EEPROM
Low Level Format to clear cookies (sames HD as when ban occured)
Sign in using the same GT that was used when Ban occured.
I have access to an Xbox with a large HD, banned EEPROM, "banned" GT. So I can test the above scenario and give results. What the quicktest/cheapest way to get hold of a new virgin eeprom?
Also a small prayer: Could people with "I just bought an Xbox how can I avoid getting banned" etc post keep it out of here. This is a fact finding post, trying to get to the bottom of things.
Also: Halo 2 on modded xbox, Large harddrive, non stock files on E:, F: drives etc DONT get you banned. Being careless with a modchip, not disabling auto signin in the xbdash etc gets you banned.
And I dont care what your "friends" have experienced, I want first hand, fact based posts. Anything else is useless.
lets get back on track people.
Post by: mc_365 on December 06, 2004, 09:43:00 AM
Played Live for years on V1.0 box with x2.2 pro disabled.
Aug Put in a 200Gig HD.
Continued to play live with chip disabled.
Stop Playing live in late sept.
Heard about banings in Oct. so I stayed away from live.
Purchased Halo2 did not play live.
Heard about bannings ~Nov 9.
Stayed off Live.
Nov 20 said fuck it.
Formated C: E: then returned to stock using slayers 2.5 on big HD.
Booted retail.
Put Mem card with live account in.
Signed in with password.
Put Halo2 in.
Took Long updated.
Played Halo2.
Next Day Banned.
Post by: Seraph_Six on December 06, 2004, 01:03:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| I had been troubleshooting a modded xbox with my gamertag, because it wouldn't connect to XBL. Turns out the box ended up being banned for being modified. Now, I just tried to log into XBL from my modded box, which had mo major changes since I had started using Live on it, and never violated any of the "rules" beforehand... Box is banned I think that the tags are DEFINTELY being marked for being used on a modded box, and thus doing more extensive scans. There's no explaining my banning otherwise |
Post by: Gumba on December 06, 2004, 05:20:00 PM
| QUOTE (xprezz @ Dec 6 2004, 05:57 PM) |
| Any news in this matter? The cookie stuff is really interesting, I would love to see some more test results (low level formats, previously banned GT etc). I may have missed it, but I have yet to see confirmation that the following works: Situation Banned xbox Large harddrive (the one that was in the box on banning) GT (the one used for signing in when ban occured) solutions Fresh EEPROM Low Level Format to clear cookies (sames HD as when ban occured) Sign in using the same GT that was used when Ban occured. I have access to an Xbox with a large HD, banned EEPROM, "banned" GT. So I can test the above scenario and give results. What the quicktest/cheapest way to get hold of a new virgin eeprom? Also a small prayer: Could people with "I just bought an Xbox how can I avoid getting banned" etc post keep it out of here. This is a fact finding post, trying to get to the bottom of things. Also: Halo 2 on modded xbox, Large harddrive, non stock files on E:, F: drives etc DONT get you banned. Being careless with a modchip, not disabling auto signin in the xbdash etc gets you banned. And I dont care what your "friends" have experienced, I want first hand, fact based posts. Anything else is useless. lets get back on track people. |
The reason you haven't seen any confirmations is because there have been plenty of confirmations that the Flagged GT thing is true and thus even if you revirginize the HD and use a new EEPROM you still have to use a new GT if your old one is flagged. (and your drive is not a stock drive)
Post by: dalime on December 06, 2004, 07:49:00 PM
Before anyone asks; my chip was never on and the x3 has live blocking anyway. I never ran Halo2 or updated during these test. I stricktly signed into the friends list from the dash. This is all on a V1.3 w/ a Xecuter 3 chip and a 120gb WD.
It seems to me that although the disk.bin and marriage theory seems to be the best and most probable so far, fixes that have worked for some are not working for others. Which leads me to believe that there is some level of randomization with whatever kinds of checks/scans that M$ is doing. I felt certain after doing test #2 that I would be back on, at least for more than 12 hours!
Thanks to all the guys that go home (or stay home
) everyday and mess with their xbox's trying to figure this out. Even though everyone is not back up yet, it feels like we are definitely making progress.
Post by: elemenopee on December 07, 2004, 07:19:00 AM
I'm a little hesitant to play a game on it, I may end up just setting my box up so that I can easily swap between my stock drive nad my new drive.
Post by: Gumba on December 07, 2004, 08:34:00 PM
| QUOTE (sparkfarmer @ Dec 7 2004, 09:33 AM) |
| Gumba, what is the status of your xbox now? Are you still on live with the config that you have in your sig? I am about to join up for live. I have the same setup as you and would like to know if your box (with the config of your sig) still good. Also do you have any files on C: or E: that are not standard? Thanks. |
Sure, 100%, and everyone I've ever done a mod for is also on Live still.
I have a c:\bios folder which contains an XOS folder and a few bios folders (like my tweaked 4981 etc)
I also have my avalaunch files on c:
I have all my apps on e:\apps
and I have lots and lots and lots of saves from various emus and apps.
I have never pirated H2 or loaded a hacked game save or a font exploit, or cheated online.
Post by: Gumba on December 07, 2004, 08:34:00 PM
| QUOTE (dalime @ Dec 7 2004, 04:52 AM) |
| Bump....and I'll add some experience from the recent tests I've done. 1. Low level formatted drive (before we knew we didn't have to do this), re-installed drive via Slayer's 2.6. Everything non-M$ on F:. Used a two month trial and recovered my banned account. I was banned by the next morning. 2. Manually installed and reconfigured drive with Evox "ConfigSector" command and a clean disk.bin file. Only non-M$ files were Evox on F:. Used original backup of my stock drive for C:. Used a two month trial and created a NEW account with a different CC (for the hell of it). Banned by next morning. Next I will try the same as #2 but with an older dash version. I don't know if this will make any difference at all. If that doesn't work I will try test #2 but with my stock drive. If that doesn't work I will try with my stocker but pull my chip and see what happens. After that.... I don't know. Before anyone asks; my chip was never on and the x3 has live blocking anyway. I never ran Halo2 or updated during these test. I stricktly signed into the friends list from the dash. This is all on a V1.3 w/ a Xecuter 3 chip and a 120gb WD. It seems to me that although the disk.bin and marriage theory seems to be the best and most probable so far, fixes that have worked for some are not working for others. Which leads me to believe that there is some level of randomization with whatever kinds of checks/scans that M$ is doing. I felt certain after doing test #2 that I would be back on, at least for more than 12 hours! Thanks to all the guys that go home (or stay home ) everyday and mess with their xbox's trying to figure this out. Even though everyone is not back up yet, it feels like we are definitely making progress. |
Did you change your eeprom too?
You have to change your eeprom
Post by: Gumba on December 07, 2004, 08:36:00 PM
| QUOTE (elemenopee @ Dec 7 2004, 04:22 PM) |
| I have a question (and maybe this has been answered already)... I just replaced my stock HD with a 200gig WD. Prior to this I had created my XBL account on my stock drive. When I fired up my new drive after setting it up (mod chip off ofcourse), my live account was not on my new drive so I did used the 'account recovery' feature. Now, this can be used so you can log in from a different xbox to play with your account. Would the revoery feature clear out the marriage info between the hd and eeprom? I was able to connect to live on my new drive, recovery my account, and edit my friends list with no problem (no modded xbox error). I'm a little hesitant to play a game on it, I may end up just setting my box up so that I can easily swap between my stock drive nad my new drive. |
It sounds to me like you're now in the pre-ban limbo.
We're not actually sure what to do in that situation.
I would suggest getting a new eeprom before you go back online
Post by: dalime on December 07, 2004, 08:51:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Did you change your eeprom too? You have to change your eeprom |
Kind of an important step to leave out.
Guess I just figured that would be a given. Yes, I changed eeprom everytime.
Post by: dalime on December 08, 2004, 08:38:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| in your case .. the reason you were banned twice is because of a flagged GT on a bigger drive |
I established a NEW account when I performed test 2.
Post by: dalime on December 08, 2004, 12:38:00 PM
Should I not have used the file from the Slayer's disk? The original disk.bin from my stock drive already has my old banned GT and SN on it and I wouldn't even know where to begin to remove the "cookies" with a Hex editor.
Post by: dalime on December 09, 2004, 11:02:00 PM
Post by: Gumba on December 10, 2004, 07:05:00 PM
For example, if you have replaced c:\xboxdash.xbe with a non MS dash, then you can get banned, if you have a flagged GT or if you have a font exploit installed.
Post by: Gumba on December 10, 2004, 07:12:00 PM
See the "Local Marriage Theory" section in the first post.
| QUOTE (slyt PM) |
| Touch wood, yes and that means Ive gone through the big 72 hour mark !! I havent checked it today yet but am going to this evening. I shall try and get a tutorial done over the weekend or this evening if I get time. If you are needing to get yours unbanned, I can help you. In the first instance you will need a new EEPROM, from Zodiak (he has a thread with all the instructions etc. He takes upto 48 hours to give you an EEPROM, so if you need one, best ask now. Dont forget to specify which version Xbox you have, and whether you are a PAL or NTSC user. - my guide is likley to be a little more paranoid than some as it includes formatting the hard drive, replacing the EEPROM etc. I feel this is the "safest" option and so far seems to work ! slyt |
Post by: Skywalker on December 11, 2004, 04:57:00 AM
how can i do that?
how can i make my bigger hd the same (for hdd key and hdd serial number) that the original one?
Post by: feet14 on December 11, 2004, 05:17:00 AM
Post by: feet14 on December 15, 2004, 09:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (b4m @ Dec 15 2004, 05:01 PM) |
| I've had to replace xbox's a few times while still playing on XBL. If you log all your XBL settings off of one box and put them on another xbox, you get the message that "your gamertag can only be accessed from this xbox console." If you delete all of your xbox live tags off of your modded xbox and do an account recovery on a stock xbox. Then upgrade your HDD on your modded box, can you not just do an account recovery on your modded xbox and get your old gamertags back. Or does M$ marry your gamertag to more than one EEPROM/HDD? I'm stuck with an X3 on my xbox with a stock HDD and I don't want to lose all my stats for H2. So if anybody has tried this or knows that it would work please let me know. Thanks |
There's no restriction on transfering accounts between Xbox's. However, when you do an account recovery on an Xbox it invalidates copies of that account on any other Xbox. This is a security precaution - if you suspect someone at a LAN party copied your account onto their Xbox whilst you wern't looking, you can do a recovery to prevent them from using it.
If you want to have your account on two Xbox's simultaneously, then you need to use a memory unit (don't buy the ripoff official version) or a USB Pen Drive and an Xbox->USB converter.
Finally, be aware that there is a possibility that the account used when banned from XBL is flagged for extra HD checking.
Post by: vandmanvan73 on December 15, 2004, 10:26:00 AM
Post by: Thumper33 on December 16, 2004, 10:52:00 AM
I was banned originally by turning on my mod chip by accident and going onto XBL and of course I was banned right away.
I bought an EEPROM off of someone on ebay, I reformatted the EEPROM, had to do an account recovery of course and I was back on XBL. Well for the night anyway. I logged on the next day after work and sure enough I was banned again. I thought that the EEPROM I bought was sold to someone else therefore I was trying to log on XBL while someone else was logged on with the same EEPROM.
So, I then got another EEPROM I know for sure wasn't being used by anyone else, reformatted the EEPROM logged on and I was on XBL once again. Same thing happened after work the following day I was banned again.
I read on one of the forums that you may need a new GT.
So, once again got another EEPROM, reformatted the EEPROM logged on with a new GT using 2 month free subscription. And once agian I was back on XBL. I played last night and then tried again this morning 9 hours later and I was still on XBL. I am going to go home tonight and try it again, but crossing my fingures I think it will be OK!!!
To me it sounds like you definitely need a new EEPROM and a new GT and you will be back on XBL.
I will send another post tomorrow on whether I am still on, but so far so good.
Post by: p$ilocybin on December 16, 2004, 01:49:00 PM
Post by: Thumper33 on December 16, 2004, 02:06:00 PM
| QUOTE (p$ilocybin @ Dec 16 2004, 10:52 PM) |
| my buddy was just banned and he had his chip off. he is booting from f partition as well. i am affraid to go back on live because i dont want to get banned. but either way MS wins. so here it goes.i hope that MS is not scanning other things as well. if they figure out a way to scan something else we are all screwed |
If you have a mod chip, just do not turn it on while loggin in to XBL or yes you will be banned and if you read my above comment then you should be able to get back on.
I told my buddy with regards to the banning and he tried it 2 days ago with his mod chip off and he got the XBL Halo 2 update and he played that day and yesterday with out any problems.
We are going to play tonight as well to verify what I have said so far.
Post by: Thumper33 on December 16, 2004, 02:08:00 PM
| QUOTE (Thumper33 @ Dec 16 2004, 11:09 PM) |
| If you have a mod chip, just do not turn it on while loggin in to XBL or yes you will be banned and if you read my above comment then you should be able to get back on. I told my buddy with regards to the banning and he tried it 2 days ago with his mod chip off and he got the XBL Halo 2 update and he played that day and yesterday with out any problems. We are going to play tonight as well to verify what I have said so far. |
Remember though both my buddy and I do not have a new HDD, we still have the original.
Post by: p$ilocybin on December 16, 2004, 02:29:00 PM
Post by: [GS]EqUaTe on December 17, 2004, 05:16:00 AM
http://forums.xbox-s...pic=310240&st=0
Post by: -Gadget- on December 28, 2004, 02:30:00 PM
please newcomers... look at the first page !!
Post by: WebLOCH on December 28, 2004, 03:58:00 PM
You have suggested that Marriage Theory is based on an EEPROM and HD-KEY or some indentifier for the Hard Drive, but due to the fact that MS have stated that you are allowed to take your Live Account anywhere (IE. to any xbox via an official mem card), surely they can't use either of those details, as they would be unique to any xbox you move your account to? My xbl account resides on three xboxes, only one of which is actually mine anymore, the other two belong to friends who use live successfully, and we have all kicked each other offline by signing in and taking over the tag until the other signs in again. (Almost a worth £40 per annum, in itself!!!)
I may have missed something very basic in what you have said so far, but if I haven't then marriage theory sounds like it's definately not going to be the case.
Let me know if I have been brutally retarded or not! Cheers!
WebLOCH
Post by: deacon187 on December 28, 2004, 04:17:00 PM
Post by: Gumba on December 29, 2004, 07:26:00 AM
QUOTE(WebLOCH @ Dec 29 2004, 12:29 AM)
Hey guys,
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: WebLOCH on December 29, 2004, 07:59:00 PM
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: bbanka on January 05, 2005, 12:27:00 AM
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Hi Gumba
I've believed your theory since you posted the marriage theory the first. so I could back to XBL by using stock HDD and new eeprom. I appreciate that. then now, I'm gonna try to change them to new 200G HDD(not used) and new eeprom(not used before too.). Do you think I'm gonna success? I want you to tell me something to help me before my trying.
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Post by: Gumba on January 05, 2005, 08:59:00 AM
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You should be fine. Remember your original gamertag will have been flagged though, and you will need a new one if you haven't got one already (since your original banning).
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: GordonNL on January 05, 2005, 09:22:00 AM
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My Xbox with a 60gb HD is banned too, Can I go back to xblive when I have a new EEPROM with the same HD with games and stuff on it, with the same Gamerstag??
Or do I allso need to buy my selve a new HD?
thanks!
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Post by: feet14 on January 05, 2005, 09:59:00 AM
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You won't be able to use that 60GB HD on live again. If you put your old stock HD back in with a new EEPROM you should be fine. If your old HD was on live before you upgraded your HD, according to marriage theory the old stock HD will get you banned. However, I did this and I'm not banned after 6 weeks, and with a flagged GT.
I think I can explain this by proposing a new theory:
When connecting to live, checks are made for banned Xbox SN, HD SN.
When your Xbox connects to live it does an MD5 hash of Xbox SN, HD SN etc. This is stored locally. Each time you connect to live the Xbox recalculates this and compares to the stored copy. If unchanged, no data is sent to live.
If different, the Xbox sends all the current data directly to XBL. This bans the Xbox SN (or rather the HD Key - not the HD SN - but effectively they are the same) and the HD SN. This explains why an upgraded HD present at the time of banning will ban new EEPROMs. As the old stock HD SN was only recorded as part of an MD5 hash, it does not get banned and therefore can be safely re-used.
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Post by: Sybatical on January 05, 2005, 06:40:00 PM
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Bleh, I cannot edit my previous message anymore, So I'll quote myself and edit it. So here goes....
There... :)
This post has been edited by Sybatical: Jan 6 2005, 02:43 AM
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Post by: harrytasker on January 07, 2005, 11:57:00 AM
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What happens if you move your live account from one stock XBOX (where u signed up) to another stock XBOX????
Do u get banned because both EEPROM and HDD changed???
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Post by: Fofer on January 07, 2005, 12:55:00 PM
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No. Moving a live account from one stock Xbox to another stock Xbox will most certainly not pose any problem whatsoever. Think about it, man.
The "marriage theory" merely links EEPROM to HD. The associated gamer tag has nothing to do with it.
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Post by: stephenstashko on January 07, 2005, 10:15:00 PM
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How do you change your gamertag, does this require setting up a new account and spending more cash?
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: Gumba on January 16, 2005, 08:52:00 AM
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Well, you could use a free 2 month starter card which comes with most xbox live games
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Post by: Gumba on January 16, 2005, 08:48:00 AM
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Bungie have finally started banning cheaters and other losers
So, if you're a cheater, who just got banned, tough.
http://bungie.net/Ne...eeklywhatsjan14
PS: if you haven't checked the first post in this thread in a while you should, as its been updated fairly regularly with new and improved information.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: prabhuly on January 18, 2005, 09:33:00 PM
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I haven't read this entire thread, but i thought my information might help.
My friend was banned a month ago because his chip was on. Two days ago he came over, and using a memory card we put his live account on to my xbox so we could play together. I played all day yesterday on my account after he left. Today after school when i got home i was banned. Chip was never turned on.
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Post by: Gumba on January 18, 2005, 10:29:00 PM
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See the section on "Flagged Gamertags" in the first post :(
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Post by: lobo777 on January 26, 2005, 03:58:00 PM
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Is it possible to get banned without actually having an Xbox Live Account?
In my case, I have a modded xbox with a bigger HDD. I have it networked with an internet connection, I always use it with the modchip on, used the MS Dashboard many times and played games that you say try to connect without asking me (SW Battlefront for example)
Can they have my EEPROM and HDD S/N already or they just register them when I get an account?
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: Avrame on January 26, 2005, 04:35:00 PM
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Okay all... I read through the first post, but am still a little hazy on my answer to my question.
Here's my situation...:
I have a stock hdd with Evox on it. I acidentally had the chip on, and it went to the XBL dash, and BAM, i'm banned about 2 days later.
I bought a new eeprom, did not know about the hdd can be banned too, so now that eeprom is banned as well...
here is my Question:
If I install a NEW upgraded HDD, use a 2 month card to make a new account, and install a unbanned eeprom to the upgraded hdd, would I still get banned?
ALSO!!! Major concern about this one... Banned accounts don't get charged again do they? My 2 month was gonna expire in like 10 days, and I was set for the yearly payment option. Will I get charged $49.95 on my banned account???
Thank for any info!!!
AvramE
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Post by: dalime on January 26, 2005, 05:34:00 PM
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No. You'll be all good.
They have only banned your XBOX, not your account or gametag, so you will be charged. Call up and cancel.
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Post by: DylanH on January 27, 2005, 12:43:00 AM
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I'm unclear to what my options are. Bear with me, I'm new to the mod scene. I've been playing on Live since beta and my chip will be arriving shortly. Are there steps I can take to get an upgraded drive online? I've read the tutorial on how to do it with an evox CD, is it possible to have evox on the HD?
Thanks for the help.
This post has been edited by DylanH: Jan 27 2005, 08:48 AM
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Post by: Gumba on January 27, 2005, 07:44:00 PM
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You need to replace your EEPROM before you replace your HD. And you then need to replace the HD before you go online with that EEPROM.
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Post by: sportsnerd360 on January 29, 2005, 08:03:00 PM
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Due to the fact that most people are getting banned with Halo 2. Did any of you ever think that Halo 2 may have a program that records the specs of our xbox and sends it in. Then you sign off of xblive. The process the data, and when u sign on next time, your banned. IS this possible or am i stupid?
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: Zodiiak on January 29, 2005, 08:19:00 PM
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Post by: WebLOCH on December 29, 2004, 07:59:00 PM
Post by: bbanka on January 05, 2005, 12:27:00 AM
I've believed your theory since you posted the marriage theory the first. so I could back to XBL by using stock HDD and new eeprom. I appreciate that. then now, I'm gonna try to change them to new 200G HDD(not used) and new eeprom(not used before too.). Do you think I'm gonna success? I want you to tell me something to help me before my trying.
Post by: Gumba on January 05, 2005, 08:59:00 AM
QUOTE(bbanka @ Jan 5 2005, 08:58 AM)
Hi Gumba
I've believed your theory since you posted the marriage theory the first. so I could back to XBL by using stock HDD and new eeprom. I appreciate that. then now, I'm gonna try to change them to new 200G HDD(not used) and new eeprom(not used before too.). Do you think I'm gonna success? I want you to tell me something to help me before my trying.
I've believed your theory since you posted the marriage theory the first. so I could back to XBL by using stock HDD and new eeprom. I appreciate that. then now, I'm gonna try to change them to new 200G HDD(not used) and new eeprom(not used before too.). Do you think I'm gonna success? I want you to tell me something to help me before my trying.
You should be fine. Remember your original gamertag will have been flagged though, and you will need a new one if you haven't got one already (since your original banning).
Post by: GordonNL on January 05, 2005, 09:22:00 AM
Or do I allso need to buy my selve a new HD?
thanks!
Post by: feet14 on January 05, 2005, 09:59:00 AM
QUOTE(GordonNL @ Jan 5 2005, 04:46 PM)
My Xbox with a 60gb HD is banned too, Can I go back to xblive when I have a new EEPROM with the same HD with games and stuff on it, with the same Gamerstag??
Or do I allso need to buy my selve a new HD?
thanks!
Or do I allso need to buy my selve a new HD?
thanks!
You won't be able to use that 60GB HD on live again. If you put your old stock HD back in with a new EEPROM you should be fine. If your old HD was on live before you upgraded your HD, according to marriage theory the old stock HD will get you banned. However, I did this and I'm not banned after 6 weeks, and with a flagged GT.
I think I can explain this by proposing a new theory:
When connecting to live, checks are made for banned Xbox SN, HD SN.
When your Xbox connects to live it does an MD5 hash of Xbox SN, HD SN etc. This is stored locally. Each time you connect to live the Xbox recalculates this and compares to the stored copy. If unchanged, no data is sent to live.
If different, the Xbox sends all the current data directly to XBL. This bans the Xbox SN (or rather the HD Key - not the HD SN - but effectively they are the same) and the HD SN. This explains why an upgraded HD present at the time of banning will ban new EEPROMs. As the old stock HD SN was only recorded as part of an MD5 hash, it does not get banned and therefore can be safely re-used.
Post by: Sybatical on January 05, 2005, 06:40:00 PM
QUOTE(Sybatical @ Jan 5 2005, 04:49 AM)
Im wanting to install an X2.6 (Cause I've heard the Switch is very n00b safe) into my V1.6 and wanted to know if it is 100% SAFE with Live (Note: Wont be upgrading HDD). Auto-Connect will be switched off and I will have the ethernet cable unplugged at all times while playing with the ModChip on. (It will only be plugged in when I want to play original games such as Halo2)
I also wanted to know what is a cool n00b safe Dashboard.
Thanks.
I also wanted to know what is a cool n00b safe Dashboard.
Thanks.
There... :)
This post has been edited by Sybatical: Jan 6 2005, 02:43 AM
Post by: harrytasker on January 07, 2005, 11:57:00 AM
Do u get banned because both EEPROM and HDD changed???
Post by: Fofer on January 07, 2005, 12:55:00 PM
QUOTE(harrytasker @ Jan 7 2005, 08:21 PM)
What happens if you move your live account from one stock XBOX (where u signed up) to another stock XBOX????
Do u get banned because both EEPROM and HDD changed???
Do u get banned because both EEPROM and HDD changed???
No. Moving a live account from one stock Xbox to another stock Xbox will most certainly not pose any problem whatsoever. Think about it, man.
The "marriage theory" merely links EEPROM to HD. The associated gamer tag has nothing to do with it.
Post by: stephenstashko on January 07, 2005, 10:15:00 PM
Post by: Gumba on January 16, 2005, 08:52:00 AM
QUOTE(stephenstashko @ Jan 8 2005, 06:39 AM)
How do you change your gamertag, does this require setting up a new account and spending more cash?
Well, you could use a free 2 month starter card which comes with most xbox live games
Post by: Gumba on January 16, 2005, 08:48:00 AM
So, if you're a cheater, who just got banned, tough.
http://bungie.net/Ne...eeklywhatsjan14
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I just got banned from Xbox Live, WHY!?
Good. Most likely because you were doing one of the following: Cheating, network-exploiting, cursing, swearing, threatening or abusing other players. The points below cover most of the stuff Xbox Live will ban or suspend people for and frankly, you know who you are. If you've been suspended temporarily, with any luck, you might think twice about cheating again.
Today, we are dropping the ban hammer on a significant number of cheaters. That number is thousands, not dozens or hundreds. Some of them will receive a short suspension of their service; others will be advised of more serious measures. In every instance, the Xbox Live team has gone to great lengths to prove, where possible, severe terms of use violations. If you have been banned, you have not been banned for anything minor, like flag bouncing, or glitch-grabbing an object. If you've been banned or suspended, there's a very good chance you know what you were doing was wrong and that you did it multiple times.
Is this all we're doing to prevent cheating and service abuse? No. A more universal, permanent solution is in the works. However, clearly there's no anti-jerk system people will continue to be idiots, and this banning and suspension process might slow them down.
We don't care why people are rude, arrogant morons online, the reasons stretch from Ritalin deficiency to sugar-high overload, but we do care that the service be as fun as possible, so kudos to the majority of pleasant, polite players out there who make Halo 2 games a joy.
And yes, saying "Y'all can kiss my ass," in the lobby counts against you. The negative feedback will build and you will be punished. It's easy. DON'T DO IT. Racism? This is particularly galling, and you should know, it is frequently and highly reported. If you're one of those slack-jawed troglodytes who uses racism as his main form of discourse you probably won't even understand this sentence, but note that you should keep your vile, bilious crap sealed up. Nobody wants to hear how stupid you are.
So we encourage the good responsible players (and the vast majority, I should point out) to use feedback. It works. Slowly but surely.
Good. Most likely because you were doing one of the following: Cheating, network-exploiting, cursing, swearing, threatening or abusing other players. The points below cover most of the stuff Xbox Live will ban or suspend people for and frankly, you know who you are. If you've been suspended temporarily, with any luck, you might think twice about cheating again.
Today, we are dropping the ban hammer on a significant number of cheaters. That number is thousands, not dozens or hundreds. Some of them will receive a short suspension of their service; others will be advised of more serious measures. In every instance, the Xbox Live team has gone to great lengths to prove, where possible, severe terms of use violations. If you have been banned, you have not been banned for anything minor, like flag bouncing, or glitch-grabbing an object. If you've been banned or suspended, there's a very good chance you know what you were doing was wrong and that you did it multiple times.
Is this all we're doing to prevent cheating and service abuse? No. A more universal, permanent solution is in the works. However, clearly there's no anti-jerk system people will continue to be idiots, and this banning and suspension process might slow them down.
We don't care why people are rude, arrogant morons online, the reasons stretch from Ritalin deficiency to sugar-high overload, but we do care that the service be as fun as possible, so kudos to the majority of pleasant, polite players out there who make Halo 2 games a joy.
And yes, saying "Y'all can kiss my ass," in the lobby counts against you. The negative feedback will build and you will be punished. It's easy. DON'T DO IT. Racism? This is particularly galling, and you should know, it is frequently and highly reported. If you're one of those slack-jawed troglodytes who uses racism as his main form of discourse you probably won't even understand this sentence, but note that you should keep your vile, bilious crap sealed up. Nobody wants to hear how stupid you are.
So we encourage the good responsible players (and the vast majority, I should point out) to use feedback. It works. Slowly but surely.
PS: if you haven't checked the first post in this thread in a while you should, as its been updated fairly regularly with new and improved information
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Post by: prabhuly on January 18, 2005, 09:33:00 PM
My friend was banned a month ago because his chip was on. Two days ago he came over, and using a memory card we put his live account on to my xbox so we could play together. I played all day yesterday on my account after he left. Today after school when i got home i was banned. Chip was never turned on.
Post by: Gumba on January 18, 2005, 10:29:00 PM
QUOTE(prabhuly @ Jan 19 2005, 05:57 AM)
I haven't read this entire thread, but i thought my information might help.
My friend was banned a month ago because his chip was on. Two days ago he came over, and using a memory card we put his live account on to my xbox so we could play together. I played all day yesterday on my account after he left. Today after school when i got home i was banned. Chip was never turned on.
My friend was banned a month ago because his chip was on. Two days ago he came over, and using a memory card we put his live account on to my xbox so we could play together. I played all day yesterday on my account after he left. Today after school when i got home i was banned. Chip was never turned on.
See the section on "Flagged Gamertags" in the first post :(
Post by: lobo777 on January 26, 2005, 03:58:00 PM
In my case, I have a modded xbox with a bigger HDD. I have it networked with an internet connection, I always use it with the modchip on, used the MS Dashboard many times and played games that you say try to connect without asking me (SW Battlefront for example)
Can they have my EEPROM and HDD S/N already or they just register them when I get an account?
Post by: Avrame on January 26, 2005, 04:35:00 PM
Here's my situation...:
I have a stock hdd with Evox on it. I acidentally had the chip on, and it went to the XBL dash, and BAM, i'm banned about 2 days later.
I bought a new eeprom, did not know about the hdd can be banned too, so now that eeprom is banned as well...
here is my Question:
If I install a NEW upgraded HDD, use a 2 month card to make a new account, and install a unbanned eeprom to the upgraded hdd, would I still get banned?
ALSO!!! Major concern about this one... Banned accounts don't get charged again do they? My 2 month was gonna expire in like 10 days, and I was set for the yearly payment option. Will I get charged $49.95 on my banned account???
Thank for any info!!!
AvramE
Post by: dalime on January 26, 2005, 05:34:00 PM
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Is it possible to get banned without actually having an Xbox Live Account?
No
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If I install a NEW upgraded HDD, use a 2 month card to make a new account, and install a unbanned eeprom to the upgraded hdd, would I still get banned?
No. You'll be all good.
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ALSO!!! Major concern about this one... Banned accounts don't get charged again do they? My 2 month was gonna expire in like 10 days, and I was set for the yearly payment option. Will I get charged $49.95 on my banned account???
They have only banned your XBOX, not your account or gametag, so you will be charged. Call up and cancel.
This post has been edited by dalime: Jan 27 2005, 01:36 AM
Post by: DylanH on January 27, 2005, 12:43:00 AM
Thanks for the help.
This post has been edited by DylanH: Jan 27 2005, 08:48 AM
Post by: Gumba on January 27, 2005, 07:44:00 PM
Post by: sportsnerd360 on January 29, 2005, 08:03:00 PM
Post by: Zodiiak on January 29, 2005, 08:19:00 PM
QUOTE(sportsnerd360 @ Jan 29 2005, 09:34 PM)
Due to the fact that most people are getting banned with Halo 2. Did any of you ever think that Halo 2 may have a program that records the specs of our xbox and sends it in. Then you sign off of xblive. The process the data, and when u sign on next time, your banned. IS this possible or am i stupid?
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: Zodiiak on January 29, 2005, 08:21:00 PM
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Post by: Zodiiak on January 29, 2005, 08:21:00 PM
QUOTE(Gumba @ Jan 27 2005, 09:15 PM)
You need to replace your EEPROM before you replace your HD. And you then need to replace the HD before you go online with that EEPROM.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: feet14 on February 02, 2005, 06:10:00 AM
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Post by: feet14 on February 02, 2005, 06:10:00 AM
QUOTE(fr0zt @ Feb 2 2005, 07:21 AM)
Sorry if this has already been asked or said, I'm just confused on your theories. You stated 2 possibilities that will contradict each other.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: Gumba on February 02, 2005, 07:50:00 PM
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Post by: Gumba on February 02, 2005, 07:50:00 PM
QUOTE(fr0zt @ Feb 2 2005, 08:21 AM)
Sorry if this has already been asked or said, I'm just confused on your theories. You stated 2 possibilities that will contradict each other.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: basso4735 on February 12, 2005, 04:12:00 PM
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ill admit i didnt read all 27 pages. but what happens if your xbox live hd dies?
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: Gumba on February 12, 2005, 11:23:00 PM
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Post by: basso4735 on February 12, 2005, 04:12:00 PM
Post by: Gumba on February 12, 2005, 11:23:00 PM
QUOTE(basso4735 @ Feb 12 2005, 11:18 PM)
ill admit i didnt read all 27 pages. but what happens if your xbox live hd dies?
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: feet14 on February 13, 2005, 12:57:00 PM
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Most people who carry on with a large HD do it because they can store lots of stuff there. Unfortunately, M$ assumes everyone who does this is pirating games.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: r37ribution on March 08, 2005, 01:26:00 PM
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Post by: feet14 on February 13, 2005, 12:57:00 PM
Post by: r37ribution on March 08, 2005, 01:26:00 PM
QUOTE(jltapawan @ Mar 7 2005, 11:57 AM)
Well I have done my reading of over 8 hours of forum postings...and I have a few things I would appreciate if anyone could clarify.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: Gumba on March 08, 2005, 05:34:00 PM
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Post by: Gumba on March 08, 2005, 05:34:00 PM
QUOTE(jltapawan @ Mar 7 2005, 09:57 PM)
Well I have done my reading of over 8 hours of forum postings...and I have a few things I would appreciate if anyone could clarify.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: kev2h on March 22, 2005, 10:41:00 PM
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im a total noob..and im wondering ive played xbox live b4 with an old hdd and i want to play on my new installed one (250 gb forgot the name) couldnt i just save my name to a memory stick and bring it to my other xbox because it knows its being transfered... if this changes anything if i press the cd open thing on my xbox it runs the same but if i press power it runs evox
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: davidrd on March 29, 2005, 12:01:00 AM
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: smo on March 29, 2005, 03:26:00 PM
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Sorry for being a bit lazy, but there's too many threads to browse through (again).
Last time I checked, most threads said that it was ok to change your videomode to NTSC on a PAL Xbox and play on Live (with stock MS BIOS of course). Is is still true that you won't get banned for doing this? I'm using Enigmah Videomode Switchdisc. Doesn't this change the EEPROM so MS would spot that immediately (if they chose so)?
The rationale for changing the videomode to NTSC is to enable the HDTV modes.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: xman954 on April 02, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
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if you have OEM virgin HDD and virgin EEPROM you will be fine with a flaged gamertag.
thats what i am using, 35 days now
but don't use it on any modded xbox
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: Lord Magnus on April 04, 2005, 02:23:00 PM
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Post by: kev2h on March 22, 2005, 10:41:00 PM
Post by: davidrd on March 29, 2005, 12:01:00 AM
Post by: smo on March 29, 2005, 03:26:00 PM
Last time I checked, most threads said that it was ok to change your videomode to NTSC on a PAL Xbox and play on Live (with stock MS BIOS of course). Is is still true that you won't get banned for doing this? I'm using Enigmah Videomode Switchdisc. Doesn't this change the EEPROM so MS would spot that immediately (if they chose so)?
The rationale for changing the videomode to NTSC is to enable the HDTV modes.
Post by: xman954 on April 02, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
thats what i am using, 35 days now
but don't use it on any modded xbox
Post by: Lord Magnus on April 04, 2005, 02:23:00 PM
QUOTE(gibsonlpsd @ Apr 2 2005, 10:20 PM)
So your're saying I can't go on live with my flagged gamertag on a softmodded xbox? Because I got a WD hdd and bought a new eeprom.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: FoxRacR17 on April 09, 2005, 03:44:00 PM
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Ok, i have read about 22 pages of this thread and i still need clarification. Personally i modded my xbox with a 200GB hdd before it even touched live and i have not been banned, i play halo 2 on xbl almost every night no problem. But my question is for a friend. He just started an account on XBL and has been playing with me. Well now he wants to mod his xbox with a 120GB hdd. As far as i understand i will have to flash his xbox with a new virgin eeprom (which i got from a friend who cant go on XBL so i know its legit) when i put the new HDD in. But then i came across the local marriage theory and i would like to know if this has been proven to work. He has not been banned and if it is possible i would like to upgrade his hdd without chaning the eeprom. Is that possible? If not its not big deal, he just really does not wanna get banned from XBL but he is willing to gamble. I'm just trying to take every precaution to ensure that he doesnt get banned from XBL. Thanks for the the help.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: Gumba on April 10, 2005, 10:46:00 PM
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I think the Local Marriage Theory doesn't work.
You will need to flash a new eeprom.
I would suggest backing up the old eeprom to a CD or something, and unlocking the old stock HD.
You can then either keep them together to re-use if your friend gets banned. Or sell them to someone who wants an unbanned eeprom+stock hd pair.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: lordvader129 on May 25, 2005, 01:58:00 PM
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Post by: FoxRacR17 on April 09, 2005, 03:44:00 PM
Post by: Gumba on April 10, 2005, 10:46:00 PM
You will need to flash a new eeprom.
I would suggest backing up the old eeprom to a CD or something, and unlocking the old stock HD.
You can then either keep them together to re-use if your friend gets banned. Or sell them to someone who wants an unbanned eeprom+stock hd pair.
Post by: lordvader129 on May 25, 2005, 01:58:00 PM
QUOTE(BoRG915 @ May 25 2005, 03:41 PM)
Hey guys I am new to the mod scene and I just completed a softmod, installed XBMC, and a few other apps, all works well, you have some great info on these boards.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: Gumba on June 02, 2005, 02:42:00 AM
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Post by: Gumba on June 02, 2005, 02:42:00 AM
QUOTE(lordvader129 @ May 26 2005, 08:09 AM)
BTW did anyone else notice Gumba split the infinitive in the topic title? lol should be "How not to get banned"
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: grdianangel on October 24, 2005, 05:40:00 PM
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so let me get this straight. i have been playing on live for about 7 months now, and just lastweek i got a new hd put into my xbox but i have not yet played on live. is my best bet to go and set me up a new account?? and if so will i be safe in playing live?? if not then what do i need to do???
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: lordvader129 on October 24, 2005, 06:49:00 PM
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you need a new, virgin, eeprom, then you can continue to play using your same gamertag
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: RedDev11 on October 25, 2005, 01:39:00 PM
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The eeprom is the DNA for your xbox.
Whenever you log onto Live they take a note of your eeprom and Hard drive key.
The 2 are forever linked.
So if you change Hard Drive MS know you have modded your xbox as they eeprom and HD key are not the same and you will be banned.
You can buy eeproms, check the right forum, and flash them via the instructions gien on purchase.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: grdianangel on October 25, 2005, 03:39:00 PM
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so will i be able to use my same account or am i going to have to get a new account once i get a new eeprom??? also what type of eeprom do i need to get? are there more than 1 type? and thanx for the help everyone.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: RedDev11 on October 25, 2005, 04:32:00 PM
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From memory v1-v1.5 eeproms can be used on all those version, 1.6 needs its own version eeprom.
You can use the same gamertag once you have setup the new syste, only time to change is if you have been banned before.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: grdianangel on October 25, 2005, 09:44:00 PM
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how do i tell what version i need??
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: Lord Magnus on October 29, 2005, 09:06:00 PM
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Post by: grdianangel on October 24, 2005, 05:40:00 PM
Post by: lordvader129 on October 24, 2005, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: RedDev11 on October 25, 2005, 01:39:00 PM
Whenever you log onto Live they take a note of your eeprom and Hard drive key.
The 2 are forever linked.
So if you change Hard Drive MS know you have modded your xbox as they eeprom and HD key are not the same and you will be banned.
You can buy eeproms, check the right forum, and flash them via the instructions gien on purchase.
Post by: grdianangel on October 25, 2005, 03:39:00 PM
Post by: RedDev11 on October 25, 2005, 04:32:00 PM
You can use the same gamertag once you have setup the new syste, only time to change is if you have been banned before.
Post by: grdianangel on October 25, 2005, 09:44:00 PM
Post by: Lord Magnus on October 29, 2005, 09:06:00 PM
QUOTE(grdianangel @ Oct 25 2005, 11:55 PM)
how do i tell what version i need??
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: joyu on November 04, 2005, 05:01:00 PM
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Posted in wrong thread. Too late to edit. sry. (good thing I bumped this thread... again)
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: HardcorePooka on January 10, 2006, 08:17:00 AM
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Drive Cross-Referencing
It appears you can use an unbanned but not virgin HD with a virgin EEPROM but you can't use a non-virgin EEPROM with a different HD (without copying the drive 'disk.bin' info from one to the other)
Okay... this may have been covered, but this thread is too long to read all the way through... How does one go about this 'disk.bin' info copying, and can this allow you to change the info on a newly upgraded, larger HD to match your original xbox drive?
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: lordvader129 on January 10, 2006, 08:27:00 AM
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Okay... this may have been covered, but this thread is too long to read all the way through... How does one go about this 'disk.bin' info copying, and can this allow you to change the info on a newly upgraded, larger HD to match your original xbox drive?
cross-referencing and lcoal marriage theory are pretty much debunked at this point, MS may have used this method for a while, but now you need a new eeprom to use a new HD on Live
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: HardcorePooka on January 10, 2006, 08:33:00 AM
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Got it.
Looks like I'll have to buy some EEPROMs then.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: lordvader129 on January 10, 2006, 11:06:00 AM
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should just be the large HD, since you never actually logged all the way in to Live with the stock one after being banned
again, you should be able to use your old stock HD, or a new large HD with a new gamertag
if you got banned, its flagged, simpel as that, it will work fine with a stock HD, but not an upgraded one
yep, then you cna use a larger HD (and a new eeprom)
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: lordc on January 10, 2006, 04:10:00 PM
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1st Thanks a lot!!
A few questions extra:
1.............................................
1. I get a banned EEPROM, but... what HDD was bannes (the marriaged or the new one, the big one that i use in 2.)?
should just be the large HD, since you never actually logged all the way in to Live with the stock one after being banned
Eeee, the real process was:
1. Go to live with stock and sigin and play
2. Tranfer GT from stock to new big one
3. TRy to go to live! with the big one and get modification hw error
4. Put again de old one and try to go to live! and get live! not avalaible
Soo I supossed tha "...since you never actually logged all the way in to Live with the stock one after being banned" means that if i would use AFTER de ban the stock HDD then it aswell would be banned (so now, because I conect AFTER the bann with stock and big one, the two hdd are banned) and a need a virgin HDD
2..........................................
4. If my GT was flagged...can I use my starter kit datas for a new one GT?
yep, then you cna use a larger HD (and a new eeprom)
Soo i should forget my LordCucurbitus GT and make a new one if I want to use a Large HDD (and i want because I loves! XBMC) using the same datas of my starter kit and VISA card. it's ok?
Sorry again and thanks again
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: Badboy7357 on January 16, 2006, 08:37:00 PM
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I am way new to this and read a lot of this thread, but here is my thing...
Used xbox from pawnshop NO MOD that I know of...No MOD CHIPS...
I hooked it up to be sure it worked including to my router, no game disk in it, no game account. In M$ dash pressed the live to see what it would do and it said it was downloading and not to turn of. It acted like it took a M$ update. It works fine.
I am going to mod it with a large HD and maybe will want to play it live. Would the simple act of the box connecting with no game or account info flag it so if it goes back on with a large HD it will cause problems?
I didn't know squat about live until after I tested the box out (My first xbox) and now am thinking testing the network out may of been a bad thing.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: lankygibbon on January 17, 2006, 07:51:00 PM
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Bottom line i'm screwed recovered account after already being online and after installing new HD.
My questions are thus a little different. I can't be arsed to buy a new eeprom and a new hdd after just buying this one b4 christmas. even if i did it's a waste of six months of live payment.
So if i grab a brand new xbox £20 off someone dodgy. Though not dodgy enough thats it's been modded. Can i continue to use my old gamertag o because it's been flagged am i gonna need a new one.
if i do need a new one theres £20 worth of live that i've paid and not used. it was from a 12 month starter pack so i doubt i'm gonna see it again i suppose.
looks like i'm just gonna have to live off free tags from now on.
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Title: Marriage Theory - How To Not Get Banned.
Post by: rafernan on January 29, 2006, 09:46:00 AM
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OK; Im sorry, if any of what I say has already been covered, I am on information overload here. Before any one asks yess I have read this topic, not all the way but 80% atleast.
Could someone tell me if I am understanding this right.
1)If I have never been on XBL before and I get on with a large HD (160gig) I should be cool because however the marriage theory works, not so clear on this, it would marrie the eprom and the HDD SN when I first get on.
2)I read in another forum, How to play on Xbox Live with a modded Xbox, that if I am using EvolutionX I need to run it from a disk. However I FTP'd to my xbox and the file "xboxdash.xbe" looks to be fine. Do I need to do this or am I cool? If I do could you explain why b/c I dont understand that at all, im probably just missing it, something about the M$ dash and im using a V 1.6B that has M$ dash with XBL tab already in it.
(STUPID QUESTION): Does slayers auto install 2.6 use EvolutionX?
3)My HD will only get scanned and get me banned for a lg HDD if my GT is flagged.
(STUPID QUESTION): I know nothing about XBL so im assuming you pick your GT when you start XBL and it is like a profile name for example "rafernan" & "lankygibbon"
SYSTEM stats:
XBOX V = 1.6B
mod chip = X3 solderless (yes I can solder but yes I am that lazy, sloderless just seamed worth it.)
BOIS = (?) I think it is a 512 X2 bios. I used the one a friend said worked for him with the same setup.
(OFF TOPIC STUPID QUESTION): Are there any benifits to using the newest X3 bios that are worth reflashing?
Thanks for any help!!!!
One more thing: If I unplug my XBOX from the router while I play with the mod chip on I dont have to worry about anything right? I just make sure that before I plug in to the router the mod chip is off. RIGHT?
Post by: joyu on November 04, 2005, 05:01:00 PM
Post by: HardcorePooka on January 10, 2006, 08:17:00 AM
QUOTE(Gumba @ Nov 11 2004, 02:57 AM) 
Drive Cross-Referencing
It appears you can use an unbanned but not virgin HD with a virgin EEPROM but you can't use a non-virgin EEPROM with a different HD (without copying the drive 'disk.bin' info from one to the other)
Okay... this may have been covered, but this thread is too long to read all the way through... How does one go about this 'disk.bin' info copying, and can this allow you to change the info on a newly upgraded, larger HD to match your original xbox drive?
Post by: lordvader129 on January 10, 2006, 08:27:00 AM
QUOTE(HardcorePooka @ Jan 10 2006, 09:24 AM)
Okay... this may have been covered, but this thread is too long to read all the way through... How does one go about this 'disk.bin' info copying, and can this allow you to change the info on a newly upgraded, larger HD to match your original xbox drive?
cross-referencing and lcoal marriage theory are pretty much debunked at this point, MS may have used this method for a while, but now you need a new eeprom to use a new HD on Live
Post by: HardcorePooka on January 10, 2006, 08:33:00 AM
Looks like I'll have to buy some EEPROMs then.
Post by: lordvader129 on January 10, 2006, 11:06:00 AM
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1. I get a banned EEPROM, but... what HDD was bannes (the marriaged or the new one, the big one that i use in 2.)?
should just be the large HD, since you never actually logged all the way in to Live with the stock one after being banned
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2. If i get a new EEPROM, what HDD can i use (anything because the HDD are poligamies?)
again, you should be able to use your old stock HD, or a new large HD with a new gamertag
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3. How can I know if my GT if flagged due XBL Ban?
if you got banned, its flagged, simpel as that, it will work fine with a stock HD, but not an upgraded one
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4. If my GT was flagged...can I use my starter kit datas for a new one GT?
yep, then you cna use a larger HD (and a new eeprom)
Post by: lordc on January 10, 2006, 04:10:00 PM
A few questions extra:
1.............................................
QUOTE
QUOTE
1. I get a banned EEPROM, but... what HDD was bannes (the marriaged or the new one, the big one that i use in 2.)?
should just be the large HD, since you never actually logged all the way in to Live with the stock one after being banned
Eeee, the real process was:
1. Go to live with stock and sigin and play
2. Tranfer GT from stock to new big one
3. TRy to go to live! with the big one and get modification hw error
4. Put again de old one and try to go to live! and get live! not avalaible
Soo I supossed tha "...since you never actually logged all the way in to Live with the stock one after being banned" means that if i would use AFTER de ban the stock HDD then it aswell would be banned (so now, because I conect AFTER the bann with stock and big one, the two hdd are banned) and a need a virgin HDD
2..........................................
QUOTE
QUOTE
4. If my GT was flagged...can I use my starter kit datas for a new one GT?
yep, then you cna use a larger HD (and a new eeprom)
Soo i should forget my LordCucurbitus GT and make a new one if I want to use a Large HDD (and i want because I loves! XBMC) using the same datas of my starter kit and VISA card. it's ok?
Sorry again and thanks again
Post by: Badboy7357 on January 16, 2006, 08:37:00 PM
Used xbox from pawnshop NO MOD that I know of...No MOD CHIPS...
I hooked it up to be sure it worked including to my router, no game disk in it, no game account. In M$ dash pressed the live to see what it would do and it said it was downloading and not to turn of. It acted like it took a M$ update. It works fine.
I am going to mod it with a large HD and maybe will want to play it live. Would the simple act of the box connecting with no game or account info flag it so if it goes back on with a large HD it will cause problems?
I didn't know squat about live until after I tested the box out (My first xbox) and now am thinking testing the network out may of been a bad thing.
Post by: lankygibbon on January 17, 2006, 07:51:00 PM
My questions are thus a little different. I can't be arsed to buy a new eeprom and a new hdd after just buying this one b4 christmas. even if i did it's a waste of six months of live payment.
So if i grab a brand new xbox £20 off someone dodgy. Though not dodgy enough thats it's been modded. Can i continue to use my old gamertag o because it's been flagged am i gonna need a new one.
if i do need a new one theres £20 worth of live that i've paid and not used. it was from a 12 month starter pack so i doubt i'm gonna see it again i suppose.
looks like i'm just gonna have to live off free tags from now on.
Post by: rafernan on January 29, 2006, 09:46:00 AM
Could someone tell me if I am understanding this right.
1)If I have never been on XBL before and I get on with a large HD (160gig) I should be cool because however the marriage theory works, not so clear on this, it would marrie the eprom and the HDD SN when I first get on.
2)I read in another forum, How to play on Xbox Live with a modded Xbox, that if I am using EvolutionX I need to run it from a disk. However I FTP'd to my xbox and the file "xboxdash.xbe" looks to be fine. Do I need to do this or am I cool? If I do could you explain why b/c I dont understand that at all, im probably just missing it, something about the M$ dash and im using a V 1.6B that has M$ dash with XBL tab already in it.
(STUPID QUESTION): Does slayers auto install 2.6 use EvolutionX?
3)My HD will only get scanned and get me banned for a lg HDD if my GT is flagged.
(STUPID QUESTION): I know nothing about XBL so im assuming you pick your GT when you start XBL and it is like a profile name for example "rafernan" & "lankygibbon"
SYSTEM stats:
XBOX V = 1.6B
mod chip = X3 solderless (yes I can solder but yes I am that lazy, sloderless just seamed worth it.)
BOIS = (?) I think it is a 512 X2 bios. I used the one a friend said worked for him with the same setup.
(OFF TOPIC STUPID QUESTION): Are there any benifits to using the newest X3 bios that are worth reflashing?
Thanks for any help!!!!
One more thing: If I unplug my XBOX from the router while I play with the mod chip on I dont have to worry about anything right? I just make sure that before I plug in to the router the mod chip is off. RIGHT?