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Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: mrjkwik on November 10, 2004, 12:00:00 PM
don't harddrives and dvd drives have some form of firmware?  can their firmware be hacked, hex edited, ect., to possibley change the serial numbers on them so that if upgraded, you can change those numbers to match the originals?  just a thought.  i'm no hacker, just thought i've heard of something like that before.  just not in detail.
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: PhatheadWRX on November 10, 2004, 03:23:00 PM
My friend changed his Box to Stock in August when he killed his chip (took chip out and put in MS HD).

Obviously MS had logged his MODDED HD serial and Banned him today (he had been playing on live for a while w/o problem).

He did not change his EEPROM when he put in his stock drive (who would have known).

So making the HD serial the same as the Original drive would not be useful, just to change the serial period should allow you to use the same drive.
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: Heykrop on November 10, 2004, 03:25:00 PM
That is an awesome idea in theory. In actual implimentation it is nearly impossible as most drive vendors have major differences in the format and function of their firmware and then each drive from a vendor often varies greatly as well. That doesn't even account for all the models that are branded as OEM.
If it is done it would probably only be for a select number of drives. If at all.  
I'm saying. Don't hold your breath.
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: AgentEB on November 10, 2004, 03:45:00 PM
MS frequently visits these forums and any attempt to patch the hdd would be fixed by their software coders within a day of being released. they own xbl service and can do whatever they please and now they got all of us by the ballz  blink.gif
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: pubick on November 10, 2004, 03:58:00 PM
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PhatheadWRX Posted on Nov 11 2004, 12:26 AM
  My friend changed his Box to Stock in August when he killed his chip (took chip out and put in MS HD).

Obviously MS had logged his MODDED HD serial and Banned him today (he had been playing on live for a while w/o problem).

He did not change his EEPROM when he put in his stock drive (who would have known).

So making the HD serial the same as the Original drive would not be useful, just to change the serial period should allow you to use the same drive. 


I know what you are thinking but it would be usefull because someone that was banned could just get a new eeprom and change the serial number to anything.(ofcorse not the original which would already be banned)
Otherwise one would have to get a new eeprom and buy a new harddrive, am I correct.

P.S. I could be missing out on somthing here, it seems like there finding new stuff every minute.
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: tantra on November 10, 2004, 04:04:00 PM
isn't what M$ doing kinda illegal? I mean, imagine if our PCs were scanned for certain files while connected to a server and then banned you for having stuff? Surely that is why people who have "dodgy" copies of windows can still use windows update. I wonder if we can sue ...  laugh.gif
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: Bjodom on November 10, 2004, 04:07:00 PM
I'm not 100% on why they do this. I understand because people are downloading games and all. So the people that try to go on live and didn't get banned before, they obviously bought the game. So this is just forcing people to copy that game to their harddrive, use xbconnect or other tunneling software, then sell the game online since they can't use it on live and MS banned them.

What other reasons???
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: bengu on November 10, 2004, 05:03:00 PM
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0x0041158C, "XboxHardwareInfo"
0x00411594, "XboxKrnlVersion"
0x00411770, "HalDiskSerialNumber"
0x00411774, "HalDiskModelNumber"


for the stupid people like me, what does this mean for people that replace eeproms, and use original unmodified stock 8 gig hd.  Will it still work?
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: dfroot on November 10, 2004, 05:32:00 PM
what M$ is doing isnt really illegal. If you read your user agreement it says you are buying a lease to your xbox, so you dont actually own the xbox you payed for, M$ does, they are just letting you use it. lol.
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: PhatheadWRX on November 10, 2004, 05:34:00 PM
QUOTE (bengu @ Nov 11 2004, 02:06 AM)

for the stupid people like me, what does this mean for people that replace eeproms, and use original unmodified stock 8 gig hd.  Will it still work?

If you do BOTH you should be ok.

MS will see a "new" Xbox.  Even if MS starts taking HD model #s you should be ok with a stock drive.

I however, if MS starts getting model #s I will be banninated  mad.gif

Just change the EERPOM too.  My friend un-modded his box.  Chip off, HD replaced for stock = BAN.

MS had his old HD serial linked to his EEPROM
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: mrjkwik on November 10, 2004, 05:36:00 PM
i wonder if i take a shit in my xbox, if they'll want it back?  j/k
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: mrjkwik on November 10, 2004, 07:10:00 PM
i've done some digging.  it seems that without a manufacturer specific program, changing the manufacturers serial number/model number is a hard cookie to crack.  would take a hacking guru to do.  question is, are they using those serials, or volume id serials?  my guess would be manufacturers because the volume id serial changes anytime a drive is formatted.  

but, if people are formatting their original drive with slayers, and then getting banned, could explain their bans.  since formatting the stock drive would not change the manufacturers serial/id, but it would change the volume id.

just a thought for those that are far smarter than i am.
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: LyfsUXKuNT on November 11, 2004, 01:44:00 PM
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Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: mrjkwik on November 11, 2004, 02:14:00 PM
no, understand, i am not saying that people ARE getting banned for formatting their harddrives.  what i was bring up is there are too different types of serial numbers for a harddrive.  there is the manufacturers hdd serial, and model number.  and there is a serial number created when you format your harddrive, also called a volume id (i've seen it called both).

only way to test this is if people with stock drives and no harddware changes are getting banned, and if they aren't committing human error (signing on with mod chip on)

after doing more research, i'm not sure they are checking the volume id.  i believe its the manufacturers serial, as that is what shows up in the eeprom.

but could still be a theory for those getting banned with a stock drive, no harddware changes, and modchip off.
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: inVinCiBleGaMa on November 11, 2004, 03:44:00 PM
sad.gif  . The point of this 'exploit' is to let modders who had their hdd and eeprom logged is to let them change their hdd without having to get kicked off live....  This is entirely a model/serial # fake on the hdd firmware...   dont see wat the super duper wooper cooper (ok i'll stop too) config magic has to do with this huh.gif
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: LyfsUXKuNT on November 11, 2004, 05:45:00 PM
doo dee doo doo dee...dee, doo doo doo, dee, doo doo doo, dee. o what?

you might be able to use config magic to change serial and/or model #'s. i can't check it out now because config magic isn't on my hdd. it's on the slayer's disk but i don't feel like transferring it over. too busy putting anime, rvb, and pr0n on it. i'll look into it tomorrow.
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: floydian_steve on November 11, 2004, 05:58:00 PM
QUOTE (LyfsUXKuNT @ Nov 12 2004, 02:48 AM)
you might be able to use config magic to change serial and/or model #'s.

You cannot.
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: Bonio2 on November 12, 2004, 07:28:00 AM
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Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: tantra on November 12, 2004, 01:00:00 PM
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Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: krajyk on November 12, 2004, 01:55:00 PM
Sorry for the newbie question but when switching the eeprom, is this a hardware change (physically get a new eeprom) or software (through config magic)?
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: mrjkwik on November 12, 2004, 03:07:00 PM
software.
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: mrjkwik on November 12, 2004, 03:09:00 PM
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How about this: 2 hard drives, one for evoxdash (or whatever you guys use) and the other the original untouched hard drive. Have a 4 connector IDE cable connected to them and put a switch on the power cables, so when you want to use XBLive, you use the original hard drive and when you want to use your evoxdash, use your custom hard drive. Could this work? unsure.gif


if your talking on a box that hasn't touched live yet, probably.  next issue is if they are doing a check on the lpc.  so far that theory isnt popular.  so i'd just say you "should" be.
Title: Xbox Live Banning Solution (hopefully)
Post by: scoo6y on November 14, 2004, 10:04:00 AM
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what M$ is doing isnt really illegal. If you read your user agreement it says you are buying a lease to your xbox, so you dont actually own the xbox you payed for, M$ does, they are just letting you use it. lol.


Regardless of whether M$ own my xbox or not I know that here in the UK I have the rights to privacy of my private information, I'm pretty sure that this would include most information stored on an xbox hardrive.
I have not given M$ the right to scan to see what games I own etc. so by scanning the hard disk for all files indiscriminately I would have a pretty stong case for legal action, I believe in the UK only the appropriate law authority (police etc.) could scan my drive IF they had good evidence I was commiting a criminal act (a huge grey area as far as modding is concerned).