Post by: mc_365 on October 22, 2004, 12:53:00 PM
In the past I had a stock HD with my chip and I was playing live (chip off).
Upgraded HD all HomeBrew and Backups on F: Drive.
I have Never been banned. I have not been on live since prior to 10/15.
I'm reading all this about HD scaning and serial numbers.
I trust your word Shanafan;
Should I/we stay away from live right now?
What Precautions will keep me safe on live?
What is MS doing differently then they have in the past?
What is just flat out untrue (disspell) rumor?
Post by: southbark on October 22, 2004, 01:03:00 PM
1. yes i would stay clear of live atleast until Halo 2 is out.
2. The only real precaution that will work is staying off of live.
3.M$ is not doing anything different, They are doing more really.I mean they are being more proactive in stopping people with modchips.
4.Everything is untrue at this point because no one really knows unless the work for xbox
Post by: shanafan on October 22, 2004, 01:05:00 PM
1) Again, don't use Live with your modchip on
2) If you are banned, Live is now banning the EEPROM (as usual) and also the HD.
#1 has always been, but #2 with the HD issue is new. That is the theory now.
Post by: mc_365 on October 22, 2004, 01:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Oct 22 2004, 09:08 PM) |
| 2) If you are banned, Live is now banning the EEPROM (as usual) and also the HD. |
So the question is when did MS start taking HD serial #s.
Meaning did they record it into a Database on June 1, 2004. (arbitrary date)
Then on the 10/15 start cross referencing and banning?
Or did they take everyones HD serial from day one of xbox live?
Or do they only record your serial after you have been banned or caught cheating on live (what are Live hacks?)?
Post by: shanafan on October 22, 2004, 01:14:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on October 22, 2004, 01:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (mc_365 @ Oct 22 2004, 03:16 PM) |
| So the question is when did MS start taking HD serial #s. Meaning did they record it into a Database on June 1, 2004. (arbitrary date) Then on the 10/15 start cross referencing and banning? Or did they take everyones HD serial from day one of xbox live? Or do they only record your serial after you have been banned or caught cheating on live (what are Live hacks?)? |
Wow, who knows? Maybe so.. I still don't really put a lot of faith in EEPROMs people freely get from the Internet. I doubt the EEPROM they get is the only one in use.
Post by: shanafan on October 22, 2004, 01:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (handles25 @ Oct 22 2004, 03:26 PM) |
| This is MS. Id put anything on day one of live if not really soon after. Dont put anything past these guys. How many antitrust lawsuits do we have to read about untill everyone realises that they play dirty? |
Play dirty?? It says in their TOS that they do not want modified Xboxes accessing Xbox Live. How is MS doing new things playing dirty??
These grudges people hold against MS can get pretty lame sometimes..
Post by: mc_365 on October 22, 2004, 01:37:00 PM
I mean if they had the power to ban a lot of people a long time ago and just waited to grab more market share, subcription fees and live licensensing fees, it is a little dirty.
But my concern is that I have played live with my stock HD then I swaped in a big HD and I have my same eeprom. I don't want to get banned beuase I upgraded my HD and they have my old HD crossreference with my eeprom and live account.
Post by: ZildjianKX on October 22, 2004, 03:32:00 PM
| QUOTE (warbeast @ Oct 22 2004, 12:44 PM) |
| so i guess the smartxx team was right all this time... do you know if they just ban the HD or also check if its a stock hd? the reason i ask is i would like to know if you can add any new hd with a new eeprom or if you now also need the stock hd to match with a new eeprom. |
I don't think anyone knows at this point. It's highly doubtful they kept the hard drive serials in a database next to the EEPROM info from the very beginning. With version 1.6 Xboxes, it's very possible that they could have done that, and if your hard drive serial doesn't match up, ban...
Post by: garyopa on October 22, 2004, 04:07:00 PM
are coming back BANNED, and some are soft-modded and others
have the TSOP with a switch and even others have the fancy shit
like Xenium ICE, one with X3, etc.
The common factor in all the BANNED machines is the use of
homebrew software. Even see a machine with no files changed
on the C: drive, that was BANNED.
My theory is XBOX live new updates are BANNING machines with
"invalid" SAVE entrys on the E: drive, even from PAL games or
unreleased games or "HOMEBREW" software like DVD2XBOX, UnleashX, etc.
Any thoughts on this theory?
Post by: mc_365 on October 22, 2004, 06:12:00 PM
Where do these guys get all these eeproms from?
Do they work at EB games and rip eeproms of the xboxs in the stock room sell them online then sell the xbox in the store?
Do you think an eeprom seller only sells a one eeprom to one person?
Things like this make it harder to figure out what ms is doing.
Maybe someone with connections to xbins should start dead eeprom database.
Do eeproms have unique Identifyers?
Post by: BotchedLobotomy on October 22, 2004, 06:24:00 PM
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on October 22, 2004, 06:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Oct 22 2004, 09:17 PM) |
| I am still doing fine with my modded Xbox on Live. No ban yet and plus I do have something special on it |
hmmm.. special?
Post by: kakelkund on October 23, 2004, 06:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (kakelkund @ Oct 23 2004, 02:48 PM) |
| I think ILLusions0fGrander have the answer in his Sig! I don´t belive in the HDD serial theory. I think they check for known game hacks (or modified savefiles that the cheater likes to call it). We know for SURE that the one in the Sig and four more forum members have been banned for PGR2 hacks. |
Of coures he did change his Sig while I did write the post! The Sig was something like this:
"SNIPERKILLA IS A PUNK BITCH.. its ppl like him who have now ruined it for all of us...
if it wasnt for retarted rejects who need to cheat on live.. then m$ wouldnt have pursued the matter.
if you want to cheat... go to a free service where your kind roam like buffalo in the old west... wild and free."
Post by: garyopa on October 23, 2004, 08:52:00 AM
or rebuilt XBOX that causes you to be banned again.
Also all DOWNLOADED content is signed for your EEPROM, so when
changing EEPROM you have to remove/delete all DOWNLOADED
content, and allow your XBOX to re-download it.
I think MS is banning any known HACK save file, from 007 to MA, SC, and
the recent "game" cheating hacks.
Post by: Heykrop on October 23, 2004, 10:59:00 AM
| QUOTE (kakelkund @ Oct 23 2004, 09:48 AM) |
| I think ILLusions0fGrander have the answer in his Sig! I don´t belive in the HDD serial theory. I think they check for known game hacks (or modified savefiles that the cheater likes to call it). We know for SURE that the one in the Sig and four more forum members have been banned for PGR2 hacks. I belive in this senario. X playing fine with modchip off for years but have a game hack on the HDD. X might not even remember it´s there and maybe never play that game nowdays. MS found out that ppl cheat on live. They will not ban all mod users but stop cheaters. So they found a way to check for known hacks. X logs on to live with modchip off and get banned. He can´t understand how he got banned but go for a new eeprom. He might suspect that the ban can have something to do with evox on C or other files and therfor clean the HDD before going on live again. However he don´t wanna lose all saved game so he take a backup of E. Then transfering back the gamesave to the newly formatted HDD and goes on live. X gets Banned again! |
OK then maybe some one can put it to a test. It would, however, require the sacrafice of a new box. Take a new box, copy a couple of the know hacked saves to a mem card and dump them to the new box and then connect to LIVE with a game other than the ones the saves were for and see if that box gets banned. Don't use it for anything else.
IF it suddenly gets banned then we'll know for sure that it is scanning for the known hacked saves.
I'd do it but I don't have an extra box. I've just got the one.
Post by: mc_365 on October 23, 2004, 04:18:00 PM
I don't know about your hypathetical. But what I was meaning was if some guy gets banned with a eeprom that he bought from somewhere on the net, and that seller he got it from is a jerk looking to increase his profits, what is to stop him from selling that eeprom again? 6 months down the line when the next guy buys it he logs on to live and plays for 1 day than is banned.
I think the issue that you raised Miggidy would not result in ban until you both logged on to live at the same time.
Post by: dzv on October 24, 2004, 12:06:00 AM
Post by: Kazaki on October 24, 2004, 08:52:00 AM
| QUOTE (dzv @ Oct 24 2004, 08:09 AM) |
| I'm pretty sure that MS was checking HDD serials sine before then. I have a vague memory of when SmartXX made that announcement. Several people in the scene pointed out that HDD serial checking has been part of Live for quite a while (maybe even from the begininning). |
*shrug*
Post by: Juancster on October 24, 2004, 09:45:00 AM
Post by: pencap chew on October 24, 2004, 03:32:00 PM
well in my country it is.
Post by: nfs911 on October 24, 2004, 03:39:00 PM
Post by: mc_365 on October 25, 2004, 09:16:00 AM
But again MS may just take that chance and say "we'll deal with the innocent victims latter".
Post by: Penfoldian on October 25, 2004, 09:41:00 AM
| QUOTE (kakelkund @ Oct 25 2004, 10:04 AM) |
| I think you should have read the Terms of use that you did accept when you signed up for your Live account. |
" {b} retrieve information from the Xbox used to log onto the Service as necessary to operate and protect the security of the Service, and to enforce this Agreement"
funny thing this english language!!
"...retrieve information from the Xbox used to log onto the Service..."
thats somewhat vague aint it?