Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 22, 2004, 04:02:00 AM
The thread is full of shit already and believe me; all of the theories have been heard already.
As you might have seen I have been pretty active in these forums lastly, and I have figured out a good method to get unbanned. First, I was thinking that some new games may be spying our consoles, but it seems that they don't. But we can not deffinately deny that they will ever do it. It still may be possible. Then I've got an idea that M$ is banning consoles which were banned in past months and that's true. All the people who got banned for the first time screwed up something by themselves. It wasn't M$' new security's fault. It seems like M$ is scanning the HDD's serial number and banning the all the consoles which have got this hard drive (and different EEPROMs). You have to change the HDD and the EEPROM to unban yourself now. What else; if you already play on XBL with your Xbox and you wanna change your hard drive, you also have to change the EEPROM or you will get banned... (possibly! but it's not so sure!) And so on... Here's some very useful info that one guy, who didn't want to show himself, has sent me.
for him!! Thx dude 
. I gave one EEPROM to my guinea- pig; Optimus , who was recently banned few times and now he has been on XBL about 72 hours (till 10.25.04) with no ban. Last times he got banned in less than 24 hrs (just like my friends). Thank you all for your cooperation and the ideas.Here's the info from my pm box.
BUT keep in mind, that it has been tested by less than 10 men. You can also join us if you have a 100% good, valid EEPROM and a new HDD and a will to do it.
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| [...] I have a packet sniffer running at all times when playing. I have my Xbox connected to My PC and my PC heading off to the router. (Using a XP network bridge for my XBL connection). I checked out some of the initial packets heading off to XBL and this is my theory on it. [Start Theroy] When you connect to XBL it is transmitting all the info pertaining to your Xbox. I have noticed more packets in the initial connections than I noticed before and that is what leads me to that. XBL is taking that information into the database and keeping it stored and connected. So whatever HD you were first using when this checking was started is the one linked to your xbox serial. What that means. If any hardware associated with that serial number is changed you will be banned. The search is reversible also. They can check HD serials and compare it to the EEPROM also. If at any time either the HD or the EEPROM do not match up to what is in the database it is a ban. Just changing the EEPROM or the HD will not work but changing the EEPROM and the HD at the same time will get you back online. [End Theroy] No game is spying on the hard drive. No game is making any unknown connection to XBL without consent of the user. Even the dashboard is clean from unknown connections. I do not know if this is true for games that have yet to be released publiclly. Every person whom has been banned so far actually was banned once before. That is coincedince. But the few that have never been banned before might not have realized they swapped out their HD at some point after the data was collected. I have noticed XBL will continue to try to connect back to the xbox after you log off XBL. But I have not yet seen my Xbox respond back so That is not a concern but could be in the future if games are told to respond back to acknowledge the log off.. One other thing is MS said something like. "and anyone using an illegal game to connect to tunneling software is just stupid". Does that carry any weight.. Yep it does. It came from someone with knowledge of the security protocols XBL uses. I'm just trying to figure out how/if MS can put a sniffer on someone elses network without consent. I won't be using tunneling software until I know XBC and Kia are no longer under pressure from MS [little cut] |
And the second PM
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[...] There are a couple other issues I am still researching. There is a big possibility that if you get banned for this infraction not once but twice it flags the Gamertag as a possible hacker and starts to impose stronger checking on the system. [cut] Althou my initial reaction to it is I would be 99.9% sure that it does not check the contents of the HD at all. The talk about how they are "flagging" the hard drive is all crap. MS is not stupid and knows their legal rights in doing something like that. We need to be careful in if someone does try swapping the EEPROM and HD out in one shot is that they have not been banned 2 or more times in a row. [cut] I noticed the connection between the Gamertags getting banned and the Xbox bannings is almost 0.. The only connection relates to if the Gamertag has been flagged as a cheater XBL automatically links the serial number as modded at the same time. The people having their gamertag revoked have at one time actually been caught by Xbox undercover personel whom have witnessed the cheating. One other thing to keep in mind that scares the shit out of me.. When I connect into XBL I noticed at the same time a connection into the passport servers.. Now does that releate to the messenger alerts only? I hope so but why would it transmit your Xbox serial number to the passport unless they were tracking and linking the Xbox Serial number, Gamertag and Passport account. [You can have your XBL friend list on your MSN and receive invites to it, so it's nothing dangerous- A.Z.] Note all this is speculation. One other thing. Do not put your Gamertag Account on your Xbox. Keep it on a memory card and remove it when you are not on XBL or have the mod on. That way just in case the xbox makes an unknown connection to XBL it will not transit your gamertag. There is a lot more going on at Xbox than we are seeing. |
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Things that will make you banned
- Logging onto XBL with any hacked (or just non retail)
- Changed structure of M$ dashboard files (for example any exploits)
- Trying to get on XBL with any game played of the HDD (even by using any exploit, though single player seems to be safe)
- Using game hacks (for example in Project Gotham Racing 2)
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Things that DO NOT cause bans
- Modchip on LPC
- TSOP flash with TSOP split (as long as you use retail bios on XBL)
- Changed hard drive (no problem at all)
- Upgraded RAM
- Gamesaves from all regions (NTSC saves on PAL console are not any problem)
- evoxdash.xbe and/or all the homebrew software on C or E partition - there is no hdd content scanning!
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Things that will most probably won't make you banned
- Playing and possesing THAT game
- Playing THAT game and other games on XBC/Xlink etc.
- changing the HDD after signing to XBL
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Things that are unclear:
- If gamer tag is flagged once you've been banned
- is it necessary to get back the HDD to a stock, or can we just use a new, not "banned" hdd?
- Any other method to ban those who've been previously banned?
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And so on:
Modded xbox using XBL, never been banned:
You have no worries, as long as you're not logging to XBL with chip on.
Modded xbox not on XBL but thinking of signing up:
You have no worries. No problems at all. Just follow the first instruction.
Modded xbox on XBL, previously banned:
You'll have to change your hdd & eeprom for sure. You may also have to change your gamer tag. Change the hdd to the stock one if you still have it- it's giving the best results for now. This is unclear.
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Keep in mind that it is not 200% sure info!! It worked for few of us and it did not for some others. But I actually blame EEPROM resellers (same EEPROM used in few consoles) for these bans after changing the HDD. We appreciate your input into the research. Good Luck and have fun
.I'm editing this first post to keep the info fresh and clear
.Thx for changing the topic's name, shanafan. If you think that something's missing, just pm me. BUT: no new, genius ideas (if they're not proved).
Post by: [D]J on October 22, 2004, 05:43:00 AM
I strongly doubt that M$ can get hard disk serial number. Most likely, they recently updated their Live! system to do this time a *double check* for security reasons. So, before banning eeproms as they always did in the past, they now also write somewhere on your hard disk (in a file) your eeprom informations and unfortunately (for us) they can do this legally. In fact as we know they can force you to update xbox live *whenever* they want with software that we *DON'T KNOW* at all and, probably, in the last Live! update, they implemented a new feature to write stuff (i.e. system information) on your hard disk everytime you connect to their Live! system.
In this way everytime you go Live! they can easily do a check to see if the info written before on the hard disk match the info of the eeprom installed in your xbox. If they are different, they ban you because it's obvius that you changed eeprom! Pretty easy, don't you think? :) And probably that's why changing hard disk and eeprom seems to solve the problem, because you actually delete all the files!
What I'm trying to do now is a search for these informations on the HDD but M$ is all but stupid and they could have put the info in a crypted file so looks like a very hard task! :(
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Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 22, 2004, 04:40:00 AM
. But someone HAS to check it, and I don't want to take the risk to ban my 200GB HDD, neither one EEPROM, so... sorry... I have checked my own method and it seems to work. I don't have many EEPROMs and HDDs left 
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Post by: donmega on October 22, 2004, 06:07:00 AM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 22, 2004, 05:05:00 AM
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Post by: fruitbat04 on October 22, 2004, 07:02:00 AM
If this fails, I'm going to try swapping hard drive/eeprom again and also sign up for a new gamertag
I'm booting from a SmartXX to the original bios by the way. <
Post by: Hitcher on October 22, 2004, 07:24:00 AM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 22, 2004, 06:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (Hitcher @ Oct 22 2004, 02:16 PM) |
| What happens if you've sent your Xbox in for repair and they (M$) chnage the HD? |
Don't worry about M$. The've deffinately figured something out for this. Maybe they store data about every Xbox which has come to them and had changed HDD on warranty. Or maybe they also change Xbox' bottom sticker with s/n (cause they must open the case), HDD, reflash the EEPROM with new s/n and give it back to a customer? No problem with it.
fruitbat04: I'm holding my fingers crossed
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Post by: fruitbat04 on October 22, 2004, 08:02:00 AM
Hope this works as I've only got 2 eeproms left :S <
Post by: smack_blitz on October 22, 2004, 08:10:00 AM
Also, is there a connection between avalaunch rss feed and xbl?? (ms pinging xbox)(just like xbc and kai with backups)
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Post by: Xbs1 on October 22, 2004, 09:34:00 AM
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Post by: GamezMan on October 22, 2004, 10:08:00 AM
I may try this week-end but if i do im scared to go on xlink\xbc, which i go on regularl latly as i have freinds on there who dont have xbl.... so i may leave it a while, but got to be back online for Halo-2-day
Has any-1 heard from xlink\xbc teams about what they think ??? <
Post by: Hinotori on October 22, 2004, 10:34:00 AM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 22, 2004, 09:38:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Test case from a close friend: 2 xboxes both never been banned before. Both had played and had a save game from a leaked game. Both had live accounts. Both used the 4981 Live blocking BIOS. Both use the Xenium chip. Different IP addresses. One played games on live with the mod off, and has not been banned. One purposely used a non live safe bios and attempted to log in to live. it was banned. Both were flashed with new eeproms, given new ip addresses. The non-banned xbox is still not banned. The banned one got on for a day after changing the eeprom, and then was promptly banned again. Switched hard drives between the two xboxes. Reflashed the eeproms again. The non-banned xbox is still not banned. The banned one got on for a day, then was banned again. |
Can someone try to totally erase all the data on the hard drive and put it again the banned Xbox flashed with a new EEPROM? Please, unlock the HDD, use some program on pc to totally 00 the hdd, and then put it back the console... Restore the files and recover the GT and test. It would cost one EEPROM, but it's worth to try, even if with no succes.
At least one person, please. Thx in advance.
BTW, Hinotori: what Xboxes (region) do you have in South America
? I am very curious.
Post by: ZildjianKX on October 22, 2004, 09:45:00 AM
| QUOTE (A.Z.BEST® @ Oct 22 2004, 04:08 AM) |
| Yes. But you will probably get banned if you will change your HDD without changing the EEPROM. BE CAREFUL ! |
So you're saying as long as you stay with the same hard drive as when you signed on XBL the first time, you should be fine (even if it is an upgraded drive)?
Post by: GamezMan on October 22, 2004, 09:46:00 AM
could u please post info concerning if the testing xbox is running evox or others dashes, from the "c" drive or other, if using xlink\xbc, old save back on and any other relivent info
Post by: Hinotori on October 22, 2004, 09:58:00 AM
| QUOTE (A.Z.BEST® @ Oct 22 2004, 05:41 PM) |
| WAIT A LITTLE BIT, PEOPLE Can someone try to totally erase all the data on the hard drive and put it again the banned Xbox flashed with a new EEPROM? Please, unlock the HDD, use some program on pc to totally 00 the hdd, and then put it back the console... Restore the files and recover the GT and test. It would cost one EEPROM, but it's worth to try, even if with no succes. At least one person, please. Thx in advance. BTW, Hinotori: what Xboxes (region) do you have in South America ? I am very curious. |
A.Z.,
I'm pretty sure that in one of the "messy threads" about the bans, someone stated that he first tried to unban by just replacing the EEPROM, then was banned again. Then he tried to replace for other EEPROM, format the HDD, install everything from the scratch using Slayer's, and again, banned... So I think that it is not something recorded in the Hard Drive.
About here in Brazil, unfortunatelly XBOX is not sold by MS, neither PS2 is.... Simply, there is too much piracy going on here, so manufacturers don't wanna sell consoles here. Nintendo has tried to officially sell the Gamecube here, but they stopped about one year later, since they could not sell a good number of games or consoles, people just buy XBOX or PS2 because there are what they call "generic games" (piracy) for this consoles. In the end, all consoles here are imported from U.S.A., so our region is the same as U.S.A.
Just to explain a bit, the situation here about piracy is pretty bad because of the high price of the dollar and that most people has low incoming. Just to you have an idea, an original XBOX game, here, costs about 65 US Dollars, because of the shipping from U.S.A. to Brazil and importation taxes. The minimum wage here is about 70 US Dollars, so a game costs about what a lot of people will receive as payment in the end of the month. To help things to get a little bit worst, the government simply don't care about piracy, they do take some actions, but these actions are few and has no real effect.
This is bad, I think... I simply don't like, as a programmer and developer (not games), to know that I live in a Country where all kind of software has not a good chance to sell... Fortunately, I receive a good payment in the end of the month, and I can afford to buy official/original games, but most people simply can't, and they decide to use piracy...
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 22, 2004, 10:12:00 AM
.Hinotori: It was not enough, cause only the table partition was deleted when that guy has formatted the hdd. We need testing a completely cleared hdd.
| QUOTE |
| So I believe that there are people who will be or were banned without turning on the modchip, but that have changed the Harddrive... |
Yup, I also mean it.
But I'm pretty confused again since my last quote... Please do it for us all
. Try to totally erase a "banned" hdd, and try to go online again.
Post by: fruitbat04 on October 22, 2004, 10:21:00 AM
)I'll post again if I'm banned or in anouther 24 hours if its still working
Post by: Devo2399 on October 22, 2004, 10:32:00 AM
Post by: Nutech on October 22, 2004, 10:39:00 AM
I bought my Xbox over a year ago. Immediately I installed a mod chip and 120GB HDD. A month later, I accidentally logged onto Live with my chip on and obviously got banned. I changed the eeprom and everything was fine (I also upgraded to a new Xecuter BIOS which doesn't allow Live logins). I have been playing on Live ever since with no problems.
A week ago I found myself banned again for no obvious reason (after being banned before I have been extra careful).
Here's the interesting part:
Yesterday I put a new eeprom on my Xbox and was allowed back on Live, I played Black Arrow for a few hours. Today I checked my xbox and I'm banned again.
I have 1 eeprom left and I'm keeping that until there is (hopefully) a solution.
I have a question tho, if I buy a new *clean* Xbox and use it for Live with the same gamertag that has been banned 3 times, can MS ban my non-chipped Xbox (I've heard a lot about 'flagged' gamertags)?
Post by: Hinotori on October 22, 2004, 10:42:00 AM
This guy has XBOX Live! since Phantasy Star Online has launched.The second guy says he has changed the Hard drive after he has installed XBOX Live!, I know he has XBOX Live! since mid of last year, but he didn't tell me when he has installed the new Hard Drive.
Post by: GamezMan on October 22, 2004, 10:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (Hinotori @ Oct 22 2004, 06:45 PM) |
| One, has changed his Hard Drive on this week, monday, just the Hard Drive, and is not banned... |
WHAT !!!!
All he changed was the hdd and he got back online.. without changin eeprom ????????????????????????????????????????????
Post by: solid7x2 on October 22, 2004, 10:57:00 AM
but if you have a 3 hard drive mod, i guess it wouldnt be as hard or unlikely to be tried...
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 22, 2004, 10:57:00 AM
Hm... just wait for some info from Optimus. If it's not it (hdd s/n), so I have no fuckin' idea what else can it be to cause bannings.And please, someone, try to test HDD erasing. I've written a bit about it earlier...
Post by: GamezMan on October 22, 2004, 11:06:00 AM
Previoly banned twice ......
18.40pm
Sorry the hdd is unlockable, i do have an xbox hdd but its locked to a diff xbox... dont think it would work any but im was looking forward to trying it...
Post by: Puresock on October 22, 2004, 11:23:00 AM
Think I'll lay low for a while and hope it all blows over...
Post by: GamezMan on October 22, 2004, 11:26:00 AM
| QUOTE (Puresock @ Oct 22 2004, 07:26 PM) |
| Hmmm, worrying results - I have been playing on Live for a while, but have just chipped my box and changed the drive. If they have my serials on file, they'll notice the change as soon as I log on. I wonder when they started the checks... |
So u haven't signed on since hdd change... if so and the theory is correct then u will be banned,,, for now all u can do is put ur original hdd back in and u SHOULD be ok ... or flash your EEPROM
Post by: Hinotori on October 22, 2004, 11:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (GamezMan @ Oct 22 2004, 06:53 PM) |
| WHAT !!!! All he changed was the hdd and he got back online.. without changin eeprom ???????????????????????????????????????????? |
Yes... And he has confirmed, he loged in XBOX Live! right now, and everything is Ok for him....
maybe that old theory, of LPC modchips that don't turn off, just don't activate BIOS loading thru LPC is true (they could be detected by software easily), but them v1.6 xboxes could not be banned, as far as I know, v1.6 xboxes load their retail BIOS thru LPC.... Maybe they are checking the bios of the thing that is in the LPC bus, if it is not original, goodbye... But then, why you can unban changing HD and EEPROM???
Too much what ifs and no answers at all...
Post by: fruitbat04 on October 22, 2004, 11:42:00 AM
Post by: Hinotori on October 22, 2004, 11:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (A.Z.BEST® @ Oct 22 2004, 07:00 PM) |
| Hm... just wait for some info from Optimus. If it's not it (hdd s/n), so I have no fuckin' idea what else can it be to cause bannings. And please, someone, try to test HDD erasing. I've written a bit about it earlier... |
Hmmm.... I have a friend who has some EEPROMs left and also is in this ban-ban-ban situation... We said he can try it, but just on sunday, now he is working and will work on saturday too.... If no tests until them, he will.
Post by: Hinotori on October 22, 2004, 11:45:00 AM
| QUOTE (fruitbat04 @ Oct 22 2004, 07:45 PM) |
| Bad news guys - Banned |
Hey man, this is some news... maybe, then, the LPC theory is getting some more information.... I'm sorry about you being banned, but now, it is possible that they are reading LPC bus to check if there is something there, and if there is, what is the content of it....
Unless your XBOX is v1.6 XBOX, then this theory is just another one going to be flushed....
Post by: fruitbat04 on October 22, 2004, 11:47:00 AM
Post by: Arakon on October 22, 2004, 11:47:00 AM
before that I got banned twice, but I had a disabled mod in the box and a 20 gig IBM HD installed. I copied over C and E 1:1, but deleted all files that were created by any homebrew apps (saves, eeprom backups, ini files etc), and all extra dashboards etc.
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 22, 2004, 11:52:00 AM
| QUOTE (fruitbat04 @ Oct 22 2004, 07:45 PM) |
| Bad news guys - Banned |
o_O I hope your EEPROM was fine, bat.
What the fuck is M$ doing? Huh... Let's wait for some info from Optimus. I have no more ideas about what's happening.
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 22, 2004, 12:00:00 PM
.I am not banned and I don't fuckin' get it anymore.
Nothing more is the same for all the banned consoles. But ok, let's hope you've had a bad luck. And... btw
. Try to change the DVD-ROM if you can, lol. Most people don't replace their DVD-ROMs so this may be something... but I actually don't believe it 
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Post by: oswald on October 22, 2004, 12:02:00 PM
We switched hard drives and it did not change which xbox was banned and which was not, even with fresh eeproms.
I believe the serial number is hardcoded somewhere on the motherboard. if your serial is listed as being banned before, you WILL be banned again, it might not happen immediately, but it will happen.
I don't think they have new modchip detection mechanisms, its the old tests, now they just keep track of what xboxes they have banned by the unchangeable serial number. After several changes of hard drives, eeproms and other parts, my xbox serial number on the live screens still match what is printed on the bottom of my xbox case.
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 22, 2004, 12:08:00 PM
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Post by: PhatheadWRX on October 22, 2004, 12:09:00 PM
Post by: handles25 on October 22, 2004, 12:18:00 PM
I modded a buddies Xbox. IT was a 1.6 but I swapped him MBs due to using an aladdin Advance 64 and for the most part on the 1.6 it HAS to be always on and he wanted to be able to use LIVE.
I FUCKED UP and didnt back up his origanal HD. I ended up loading an older MS dash that live had been played on LIVE with a different GT. I also gave him a 30 gig HD.
He had a Live account before and recovered it. Hes never been banned and hes not having any problems with banning for the better part of a week now. So lets recap here
1)He had a live account and never had been banned prior to the mod.
2)He is using a different MB and HD(30gig(im assuming EEPROM also)) then what he signed on with initally.
3)He is not using his original HD files for the MS dash they are GONE. Its one I had laying around that had been on live before.
If they are scanning HD and MB "keys" then they are only doing it IF you have been banned ie blacklisted in the past.
I think if you are blacklisted they are going to extreme measures to scan the HD and or MB. If you have not they are not looking at you.
Look what Im saying is my fuck up is drawing conclusions that they are not scanning the HD and MB if they dont have reason to. Not backing up his HD is key to all this. Could be the best mistake ever!
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 22, 2004, 12:25:00 PM
| QUOTE (PhatheadWRX @ Oct 22 2004, 08:12 PM) |
| AZ - does the EEPROM contain the HD serial? |
Nope.
Post by: handles25 on October 22, 2004, 12:38:00 PM
| QUOTE (l4z4ru5 @ Oct 22 2004, 08:28 PM) |
| Ive had a 120 in my xbox since evox came out. I have never been banned from live and have been using it since the beta. I swapped my 120 for a 300 two weeks ago and am not banned at present. AFAIK Intel CPUs contain serial numbers. Perhaps MS are banning CPU serial numbers, bit of a bugger to swap a CPU |
See my post above. Its not the ANY of the chips on the MB or the MB or the HD or the dash or the eeprom if youve never been banned. ALL of that shit is different from what my friend sighned wp with and he's currently usinng the same GT and LIVE account.
IF YOUVE NEVER BEEN BANNED YOU CAN SWAP ANYTHING OUT AND KEEP YOUR ACCOUNT AND GT!!! Or so it seems at this point in time.
people that are blacklisted Im sorry but without a new retail box I think your fucked. If Im GT CHEESEGOAT and I got banned once then I think they are looking at the HD and perhaps the MB and rebanning. If I buy a new retail box and make CHEESEGOAT again they will tie all that retail box info to your "file"(DONT GET BANNED AND YOU WONT HAVE A "FILE") and it will work fine UNLESS you change the HD/MB/DASH.
This is just what Ive noticed. I could be wrong but all signs are pointing to MS going harder at people that have been banned before. I dont think they could scan every HD out there. Why not just scan the "shit list" peoples drives or MB???
They can and will scan the HD and MB IMHO. Now what did theses users do to piss them off so bad they are watching them like hawks??
1)got banned before.
2)(this is just a wild guess) have Halo 2 files on the HD
Post by: Hinotori on October 22, 2004, 01:11:00 PM
| QUOTE (handles25 @ Oct 22 2004, 08:41 PM) |
| See my post above. Its not the ANY of the chips on the MB or the MB or the HD or the dash or the eeprom if youve never been banned. ALL of that shit is different from what my friend sighned wp with and he's currently usinng the same GT and LIVE account. IF YOUVE NEVER BEEN BANNED YOU CAN SWAP ANYTHING OUT AND KEEP YOUR ACCOUNT AND GT!!! Or so it seems at this point in time. people that are blacklisted Im sorry but without a new retail box I think your fucked. If Im GT CHEESEGOAT and I got banned once then I think they are looking at the HD and perhaps the MB and rebanning. If I buy a new retail box and make CHEESEGOAT again they will tie all that retail box info to your "file"(DONT GET BANNED AND YOU WONT HAVE A "FILE") and it will work fine UNLESS you change the HD/MB/DASH. This is just what Ive noticed. I could be wrong but all signs are pointing to MS going harder at people that have been banned before. I dont think they could scan every HD out there. Why not just scan the "shit list" peoples drives or MB??? They can and will scan the HD and MB IMHO. Now what did theses users do to piss them off so bad they are watching them like hawks?? 1)got banned before. 2)(this is just a wild guess) have Halo 2 files on the HD |
No way... There are people who were never banned before and were banned after 16 without a modchip on.
I still believe, there are modchips that are vulnerable and readable thru the LPC even tough the non retail bios is not loaded.
About the ban-ban-ban situation, there are two options. I could be right and there are modchips that simply are being detect, even tough they are suposed to be "off", this would explain why you keep getting banned, or the second option is A.Z. statement, they must be using processor ID, and that is it. Because console serial number is in the EEPROM, since they record the serial number at the factory, it is well know that the serial number is in the EEPROM, when you change it for another, you change the console serial number.
And if they are using processor ID, there is no way to unban a console anymore, period. Hope this is not the case. If it is certain models of LPC mod chips, then you could just put a switch to really turn that thing off of your Motherboard.
Maybe someone that is in the ban-ban-ban situation can try to put a new EEPROM and then detach the modchip, and keep without the modchip for at least 3 or 4 days and keep using XBOX Live! and see if will get banned.... Someone who has a pin header on the LPC bridge for example.... If he/she is not banned, then, it is the modchip thing... If is not, then sure is the processor ID or other ID that is readable and not changeable (I don't know, maybe nVIDIA chipset has an unique ID as well??)...
Post by: miggidy on October 22, 2004, 01:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (fruitbat04 @ Oct 22 2004, 07:45 PM) |
| Bad news guys - Banned |
Ok now that really sux!
I'm going to try the new hdd and new eeprom method as well, but with a new account.
I'll let you guys know how it goes tonight....
Post by: CloakedHunter on October 22, 2004, 01:15:00 PM
Have we had any news from Optimus?
Post by: handles25 on October 22, 2004, 01:26:00 PM
| QUOTE (Hinotori @ Oct 22 2004, 09:14 PM) |
| No way... There are people who were never banned before and were banned after 16 without a modchip on. I still believe, there are modchips that are vulnerable and readable thru the LPC even tough the non retail bios is not loaded. About the ban-ban-ban situation, there are two options. I could be right and there are modchips that simply are being detect, even tough they are suposed to be "off", this would explain why you keep getting banned, or the second option is A.Z. statement, they must be using processor ID, and that is it. Because console serial number is in the EEPROM, since they record the serial number at the factory, it is well know that the serial number is in the EEPROM, when you change it for another, you change the console serial number. And if they are using processor ID, there is no way to unban a console anymore, period. Hope this is not the case. If it is certain models of LPC mod chips, then you could just put a switch to really turn that thing off of your Motherboard. Maybe someone that is in the ban-ban-ban situation can try to put a new EEPROM and then detach the modchip, and keep without the modchip for at least 3 or 4 days and keep using XBOX Live! and see if will get banned.... Someone who has a pin header on the LPC bridge for example.... If he/she is not banned, then, it is the modchip thing... If is not, then sure is the processor ID or other ID that is readable and not changeable (I don't know, maybe nVIDIA chipset has an unique ID as well??)... |
At this time I have assume user error. They logged on with the chip on or MS is looking for Halo 2 files. Untill my buddie gets banned I just dont buy it. How many of these inexperienced cats do we have out there leaving thier ethernet plugged into the Xbox??? All it takes is one idiot friend/brother/sister/parent that knows just enough to accidently fuck them over.
Post by: Optimus on October 22, 2004, 01:34:00 PM
I am running a TSOP mod, with a switch to split it in half. One half running Original bios and the other Xecuter2 4976.02, if I am remebering properly. Everything else is stock except the hard drive of course.
As far as apps go I run the latest Avalaunch dash and your basic DVDx2, XBMC, Config Magic and XCommander. As well as lots of emulators, most done by XPort, and some backed up games. I don't download games of the net, don't trust the source.
Ok, here is what I did when following the method givin to me by A.Z.BEST®. I first backed up the entire contents of my c drive (which is just both dashes), and all of my apps. I did not back up any game's or emulators off my drive. This probably isn't important, but I don't want to leave anything out. One thing to note is that I did not backup any game saves, only becuase I forgot, but I did not do it. I then created an evox boot disc with all my backed up files, and the new eeprom I got from A.Z.BEST®. I unlocked my old drive, shut down the xbox, disconnected the network cable and replaced the hard drive with a new one. I then booted up the evox disc and created the drive, copied my backups over and removed the disc and booted from the Avalaunch on the hd. I ran config magic and updated to the new eeprom (it was PAL so I on-fly edited it to NTSC). After locking the drive I turned off mod and booted. I adjusted all the settings to meet my needs, except for the network. I turned mod back on and booted, letting Avalaunch re-setup my network settings. I use a static IP, so this was quicker. Then I booted back up without the mod copied my live account off of my memory card back onto the hard drive. I have been on live ever since. I have played a bunch of Wolfenstein, and have tried logging in through the game, and the dashboard. No problems yet.
Well thats all I can think off. If you are still here after all that, congratulations. Feel free to ask any questions you may have.
fruitbat04: Sorry to hear you were rebanned. Only thing I can think of is that you transfered your game saves and I didn't. Or you used account recovery and I transfered my account over memory card. Well read my info above and let us know if you did anything else different.
Post by: miggidy on October 22, 2004, 01:51:00 PM
| QUOTE (CloakedHunter @ Oct 22 2004, 09:18 PM) |
| Have we completely ruled out the hard drive theory or what? Have we had any news from Optimus? |
I can't reply your PM for some reason....
Fruit threw in a new hdd but was still hit.
But I wouldn't rule out the hdd just yet, it might be a combination of things.
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 22, 2004, 02:15:00 PM
Post by: handles25 on October 22, 2004, 03:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (A.Z.BEST® @ Oct 22 2004, 10:18 PM) |
| Hmmm... there's still a light in the tunnel. We need more testers... |
Perhaps I can sign up this weekend If I have the extra cash. FYI the system I will be trying it with will be
Fresh spanking new sign up and GT(I dont use live really)
1.0 MB
250 gig HD
stock eeprom(never been on live before)
Xpro 2.3
My buddie might have some of those trial cards left. I'll see what I can do.
Oh heres a conversation with guy that ive been helping out. He has his stock MS OS same MB as when he first signed on and an X3 with like a 200 gig HD
trav is a hoser: have you gone on live yet?
EDITFORPROTECTION: I used the account recovery and recovered my account
EDITFORPROTECTION: that all worked fine
EDITFORPROTECTION: but I haven't played on there yet
trav is a hoser: you have an X3 and a larger HD right?
EDITFORPROTECTION: yeah
trav is a hoser: let me know how it all goes
EDITFORPROTECTION: k
EDITFORPROTECTION: I'll get on later tonight
trav is a hoser: they are banning users and we are trying to find out why
EDITFORPROTECTION: hmm
trav is a hoser: it seems if youve never been banned your safe
EDITFORPROTECTION: I recovered my account last night
trav is a hoser: I have a freind thats rocking the live right now
EDITFORPROTECTION: that worked fine
trav is a hoser: no probs
trav is a hoser: modded box
EDITFORPROTECTION: thats good
trav is a hoser: just keep me posted K
EDITFORPROTECTION: I will
Post by: garyopa on October 22, 2004, 04:11:00 PM
are coming back BANNED, and some are soft-modded and others
have the TSOP with a switch and even others have the fancy shit
like Xenium ICE, one with X3, etc.
The common factor in all the BANNED machines is the use of
homebrew software. Even see a machine with no files changed
on the C: drive, that was BANNED.
My theory is XBOX live new updates are BANNING machines with
"invalid" SAVE entrys on the E: drive, even from PAL games or
unreleased games or "HOMEBREW" software like DVD2XBOX, UnleashX, etc.
Any thoughts on this theory?
Post by: miggidy on October 22, 2004, 04:16:00 PM
Which leads to one conclusion, that they are checking our gamesave memory banks. And only now are they acting on the rest of the peeps with homebrew or leaked gamesaves....
Post by: GamezMan on October 22, 2004, 04:47:00 PM
Optimus have u used any tunneling sofware ???
Does any-1 have any info on what the chip makers are saying about this or tuneling ppl..
Post by: handles25 on October 22, 2004, 05:23:00 PM
| QUOTE (miggidy @ Oct 23 2004, 12:19 AM) |
| Like I said in an other post, that is very possible since M$ says it clearly that it will ban people with hacked gamesaves. Which leads to one conclusion, that they are checking our gamesave memory banks. And only now are they acting on the rest of the peeps with homebrew or leaked gamesaves.... |
Yeah I think its a good one. We cant really find anything tying all these bans together. This is could be it.
If thats the case we need to find a new place to put saves or hell even just always put them on a memory card if possible.
I think I might try to get myself banned just to test this.
My friend has a 2MO free card hes gonna give me tonight or tommorow. I'll revert my Box back to stock except for Evox.
If it works for a few days then I'll rebuild my old with all the emulator and homebrew saves see what happens.
Post by: CloakedHunter on October 22, 2004, 05:29:00 PM
Post by: fruitbat04 on October 22, 2004, 06:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (CloakedHunter @ Oct 23 2004, 12:32 AM) |
| So, how many successes (so far) do we have with the HDD/EEPROM fix? And how many failures do we have with the HDD/EEPROM fix? |
Failure here - New Hard drive new eeprom - banned in about 20 hours of first connect
Post by: GamezMan on October 22, 2004, 06:58:00 PM
this is mad, cus as far as we modders know m$ should know\think your xbox is a completly new\diff xbox but u still got banned..
surly they cant be flaggin G-Tags and banning any xboxes they sign on with ???
No they cant, cus ppl have posted that they phoned m$ and m$ said get a new xbox...or was it get a new GT and xbox ???
yeah cus if they was gonna do that they would just ban any mod-deteted console and ban ur GT and after ur hdd and eeprom change, the worst case should have been that you could still sign in but got message that ur GT had been cancelled but not xbox with new eeprom and hdd
So they must have a way that they know its still the same xbox although u changed hdd and eeprom... what do y'all think
What about "content download" isn't this uniqe to each xbox ??? did u transfer this also, i think u did as its in ur saves folder... it may be this
Post by: gfreire on October 22, 2004, 07:52:00 PM
Post by: Optimus on October 22, 2004, 09:47:00 PM
In answer to the question above, I have used tunneling software before (X-Link), but I haven't used it for about a year now. So I don't think it was related to my banning.
gfreire: Try a new eeprom. I have seen that sometimes the eeprom can just be a dud, usually a replacement fixes it right up.
Post by: PhatheadWRX on October 22, 2004, 09:55:00 PM
My only thinking about the saves, if MS is scanning drives...
I'm sure MS would check the C: drive before the E: since all the real important (and easy to check) stuff is on C:, and most modders have to add files to the C: for their dashes, ect...
Post by: Optimus on October 22, 2004, 10:06:00 PM
They can't just be checking for homebrew saves. There are alot of modders on Live that are not getting banned. So I doubt that is the problem.
There I go, poking holes in my own ramblings. And I have now hit the point where I feel like I am talking to myself. I think I better leave and go do something else for awhile.
Post by: PhatheadWRX on October 22, 2004, 10:26:00 PM
| QUOTE (Optimus @ Oct 23 2004, 06:09 AM) |
| I asked so politely to not poke holes in my ramblings. And you were so quick about it too. They can't just be checking for homebrew saves. There are alot of modders on Live that are not getting banned. So I doubt that is the problem. There I go, poking holes in my own ramblings. And I have now hit the point where I feel like I am talking to myself. I think I better leave and go do something else for awhile. |
Opti don't leeeeeeave
I wasn't poking holes I'm just really parinod that I could be banned before Nov 9th, and I really don't want to have to go out and buy a new Live Only Box and GT... The only reason I got live in Sept was in anticipation for H2.It just seems so odd with this latest group of bans. I for one really hope that they are not scannind drives cause I have C:, E:, and F: all full of non retail goodies.
I have not been banned yet :crossesfingers:
I just hope that the community can find some reasoning behind this before more and more people get banned and waste money on EEPROM changes that no longer work.
Why can't we just find somebody on the inside...
Post by: CloakedHunter on October 22, 2004, 10:31:00 PM
Yesterday, I installed a solderless Xenium ICE modchip in my v1.0 Xbox.
Using the preinstalled Xenium OS 2.0, I enabled the retail TSOP, installed the EvoX M8 BIOS, and installed the EvoX Dashboard.
I might have loaded and played a game of French origin for about ten minutes from a DVD.
I didn't install any other hardware, software, or games, just what I mentioed above.
The modchip seemed to be working great, however, I accidentally launched the Xbox Dashboard with the EvoX BIOS running at one point.
After restarting and disabling the BIOS, I could still connect to Xbox Live, so I thought I was safe.
This morning when I tried to connect, however, I was banned (first time ever).
While reading over the forums researching how to get unbanned, I obviously discovered this whole new mess everyone is having with banning.
Today, I just got a brand new Maxtor 120GB HDD (still sealed in its packaging), and I also bought two EEPROMS.
At this point, I am just waiting to see if any new solutions/problems are presented, because I don't want to waste my EEPROMS, or get my new HDD banned.
Post by: miggidy on October 22, 2004, 11:11:00 PM
I just installed a new 160 gig hdd and a new eeprom.
But I started a new account with one of those 2 month cards you get here and there. I used a slightly different name for my account, different credit card and phone number just to play it safe.
Of coarse, I chose a totally different gamertag as well.
Everything went smoothely.
Lets see how long I last....
I should mention that I used Slayer's 2.6 to load all my homebrew stuff.
I'm running an X3 chip with M8 bios....
I currently have no gamesaves on my hdd since I didn't mirror my old drive....
I'll give you guys an update tomorrow....
Post by: Turdhat on October 22, 2004, 11:18:00 PM
Post by: knodi on October 22, 2004, 11:25:00 PM
(P.S: I got a new WD drive to put in my xbox for this test and man this WD drive is all black. look really cool)
Post by: miggidy on October 22, 2004, 11:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (knodi @ Oct 23 2004, 07:28 AM) |
| 8 Hours and still not banned. Next report at 16 Hours. (P.S: I got a new WD drive to put in my xbox for this test and man this WD drive is all black. look really cool) |
Knodi,
can you give us some details about what you did?
Did you just throw in a new hdd?
How about an eeprom?
Same gamertag?
ish like that....
Post by: CloakedHunter on October 22, 2004, 11:51:00 PM
Post by: Puresock on October 23, 2004, 03:05:00 AM
| QUOTE (CloakedHunter @ Oct 23 2004, 06:34 AM) |
| Okay, here's my story... Yesterday, I installed a solderless Xenium ICE modchip in my v1.0 Xbox. Using the preinstalled Xenium OS 2.0, I enabled the retail TSOP, installed the EvoX M8 BIOS, and installed the EvoX Dashboard. I might have loaded and played a game of French origin for about ten minutes from a DVD. I didn't install any other hardware, software, or games, just what I mentioed above. The modchip seemed to be working great, however, I accidentally launched the Xbox Dashboard with the EvoX BIOS running at one point. After restarting and disabling the BIOS, I could still connect to Xbox Live, so I thought I was safe. This morning when I tried to connect, however, I was banned (first time ever). While reading over the forums researching how to get unbanned, I obviously discovered this whole new mess everyone is having with banning. Today, I just got a brand new Maxtor 120GB HDD (still sealed in its packaging), and I also bought two EEPROMS. At this point, I am just waiting to see if any new solutions/problems are presented, because I don't want to waste my EEPROMS, or get my new HDD banned. |
Sounds like it could be something to do with some dodgy save games you might have picked up off that game to me... Perhaps they are scanning for them.
To me, it's looking more and more likely that as soon as we figure out what it is MS is doing, they will change it. These forums are public and they're probably reading our efforts.
But perhaps that's just me being paranoid - if they really wanted to stop mods from going on live, I can think of plenty of ways to stop it that I'm certain they could pull off. Why haven't they?
Post by: smack_blitz on October 23, 2004, 05:27:00 AM
my $0.02
Post by: knodi on October 23, 2004, 09:26:00 AM
| QUOTE (miggidy @ Oct 23 2004, 07:34 AM) |
| Knodi, can you give us some details about what you did? Did you just throw in a new hdd? How about an eeprom? Same gamertag? ish like that.... |
Yes it was a new harddrive and a new eeprom but the same gamertag.
But I wake up this morning to find my self BANNED.
Post by: CloakedHunter on October 23, 2004, 09:33:00 AM
I would like to remove the hacked BIOS from my Xenium ICE modchip, restore my HDD without copying anything from my old HDD or elsewhere, install a new unused EEPROM, and attempt to connect to Xbox Live again. This would be a good test. If it works, I can slowly start adding a BIOS and stuff to my HDD, hoping that I won't be banned again. However, I have a few questions, and please provide any input you have before I start and screw something up.
1. I've never done it before, so how do I completely restore my new 120GB HDD to retail without copying anything from my old HDD, and without copying any other hacked software, etc?
2. Can I restore my Xbox Live account without copying any old files to my new HDD?
Thanks for your input!
Post by: CloakedHunter on October 23, 2004, 09:34:00 AM
| QUOTE (knodi @ Oct 23 2004, 09:29 AM) |
| Yes it was a new harddrive and a new eeprom but the same gamertag. But I wake up this morning to find my self BANNED. |
One important question:
Did you copy anything from your old HDD like saved games?
Post by: KPunk on October 23, 2004, 10:03:00 AM
Post by: GamezMan on October 23, 2004, 10:09:00 AM
We need info like new eeprom only new hdd and eeprom. evox yes or no. saves copied over yes or no, and any other relivent info.
Especially the new eeprom and hdd ppl who got banned, please post detail of exactly what u did and didn't do...
AZBEST: wheres u input for today ??????
All i can think is its the old saves or the content download cusing this... i'm pissed off now,, i might just get a new xbox
Post by: CloakedHunter on October 23, 2004, 10:11:00 AM
Does anyone have any input on my above post? Please...
Post by: URPREY on October 23, 2004, 10:11:00 AM
Post by: GamezMan on October 23, 2004, 10:23:00 AM
| QUOTE (CloakedHunter @ Oct 23 2004, 05:36 PM) |
| 1. I've never done it before, so how do I completely restore my new 120GB HDD to retail without copying anything from my old HDD, and without copying any other hacked software, etc? 2. Can I restore my Xbox Live account without copying any old files to my new HDD? |
Not sure aobut how to do 1 but for 2 if u have a memory card just use that, or account recory
Post by: GamezMan on October 23, 2004, 10:30:00 AM
A.Z.BEST® WHERE U @
Post by: CloakedHunter on October 23, 2004, 10:32:00 AM
Also, miggidy, I want to setup my new 120GB HDD to a retail configuration without copying anything from my old HDD, and without copying over any hacked software or junk. Would you know how to do this?
Post by: GamezMan on October 23, 2004, 10:35:00 AM
Look at it this way, u had a modded xbox, got banned, put ur hands up and say ok u got me, then u get a new xbox un-modded, and they still ban the un-modde xbox but not ur GT ?????
no no no no no (i think and hope)
Post by: CloakedHunter on October 23, 2004, 10:39:00 AM
Oh, yeah, you beat me to it...
Post by: CloakedHunter on October 23, 2004, 10:44:00 AM
| QUOTE (miggidy @ Oct 23 2004, 10:41 AM) |
| Yeah I didn't copy anything from my old drive but I am running Evox, XBMC, etc. |
That's why I want to do a clean HDD install, and start slowly adding some hacked crap, hoping not to get banned of course.
But, if you're still not banned...
Post by: metamorphosis11 on October 23, 2004, 10:45:00 AM
Yesterday, I turned my modchip off via switch (I also have a locked 120GB Seagate HDD) and went to the Xbox Live button on the screen. I then clicked on 'New Account' since I don't currently have an account. Now, I'm not sure if you connect to the Xbox Live servers when doing this but I didn't get any banned messages or whatnot. I just tried the same thing again a few minutes ago today and I still haven't got any messages. So, if you do connect to the Xbox Live servers when you make a 'New Account' then that means that I haven't got banned from Xbox Live using a turned-off modchip, a locked 120GB Seagate HDD, and homebrew gamesaves on the C: drive (along with homebrew applications).
Hope this helps?...
Post by: miggidy on October 23, 2004, 10:49:00 AM
Hell even pulling the chip out but then I realized that there is no point in that.
Lets say it did work, that I was able to restore my entire xbox back to a clean state and make work fine on live.
But how the heck am I gonna run my apps then? The only solution then would be to get a second xbox, know what I mean?
So the important thing is to find out if you can run a modified box on live without being banned (Prviously banned xbox's that is)....
Post by: miggidy on October 23, 2004, 10:52:00 AM
have ever had a live account in the past?
If so, have you ever been banned in the past?
Post by: CloakedHunter on October 23, 2004, 11:00:00 AM
At this point, I'm wondering if it is the old HDD data or the old GT that is getting the "HDD AND EEPROM" people banned.
When can you confirm that your Xbox is still on Live? Also did you ever launch the French game?
Post by: metamorphosis11 on October 23, 2004, 11:09:00 AM
| QUOTE (miggidy @ Oct 23 2004, 06:55 PM) |
| metamorphosis, have ever had a live account in the past? If so, have you ever been banned in the past? |
Yes, I've had two Live accounts in the past. First being the free year that came with Live and second being a 2 month free trial. And no, I have not been banned with either gamertag.
With the 2 month free trial account, I had cancelled the day before it expired (because I didn't want to play Live until Halo 2 came out). When I had cancelled it, it was around mid-September. So I did not have a Live account when the Live banning started happening (Oct. 16 I think?).
Post by: knodi on October 23, 2004, 11:09:00 AM
| QUOTE (CloakedHunter @ Oct 23 2004, 05:37 PM) |
| One important question: Did you copy anything from your old HDD like saved games? |
No, no save on it. It only had my LIVE account on it.
Post by: miggidy on October 23, 2004, 11:15:00 AM
Yes, it appears that only people who have been banned in the past are affected.
Although I think there was this one cat who said he was banned on B-Day as well.
A cat who had never been banned in the past.
But there is a lot of folks who are still runnin fine.
I say that if you haven't been banned since B-Day, then you are fine.
For now that is....
metamorphosis,
Yeah that was expected.
Now I gotta know if someone has ever tried a new Xbox Live account after being banned. But never made any changes to his xbox, like didn't add a new eeprom and stuff.
I have a friend who was banned in the past while using a 2 month trial of Live.
I had him back up and running with a new eeprom.
Well he didn't extend his account so he closed it.
I wonder what would happen to his xbox now if he was to open a new account?
Hmmmm....
I'm gonna see if I can get a hold of one of those 2 month free Live cards and have him open a new account....
Post by: CloakedHunter on October 23, 2004, 11:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (knodi @ Oct 23 2004, 11:12 AM) |
| No, no save on it. It only had my LIVE account on it. |
Did you copy your Live account or use Account Recovery?
Post by: GamezMan on October 23, 2004, 11:42:00 AM
In a shourt while a freind is bringin up his softmoded box that hasn't ever been live, so im going to take hdd and eeprom from it to see if it works on mine, will let y'all know ASAP..
If i get banned agian its eather F**k M$ and stay off live or get a new xbox...
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 23, 2004, 11:51:00 AM
| QUOTE (GamezMan @ Oct 23 2004, 06:33 PM) |
| A.Z.BEST® WHERE U @ |
Right here, dude. I'm pretty confused. I'm waiting for some more info from Optimus. It would be good to get known how is he doin' now.
Anyway; a friend of mine has tried to totally erase his hdd, flash the eeprom, change gt and go on XBL, but as you all know- it takes time to get banned or stay unbanned. So... We're waitin' for info from all of them who are testing...
Post by: GamezMan on October 23, 2004, 11:58:00 AM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 23, 2004, 12:26:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Please don't mention my name. But I had xbox live before I modded which was about 1 month ago. I have modded my box AND changed the harddrive. All this banning hoopla got me worried so I signed up for Xbox live again with the new Hard drive. I have played fine on it. I am thinking MS is only rebanning the ones that were banned before as they only recored the HD serial for people who HAVE been banned before. I hope this will help you out. Also it has been more than 72 hours since I have signed up with this new hard drive and my account is still active. Please Respond let everyone else know this new information. |
Post by: Optimus on October 23, 2004, 01:05:00 PM
Edit: No bios folder on my c drive. Not since back in the day when I used Evox. But that was a long time before I was banned.
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 23, 2004, 01:20:00 PM
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Post by: CloakedHunter on October 23, 2004, 02:43:00 PM
Post by: mbratton on October 23, 2004, 02:54:00 PM
what about the x,y,z drives? any odd files?
anyone who posts about being banned needs to post the ENTIRE contents of their C: E: X: Y: Z: drives, so we know exactly whats going on (such as dashboard(s), homebrew save(s), save(s) from "that french release", and odd cache files.)
we should find out more about the guy that changed his hdd and not his eeprom and became unbanned.
some guy on one of the earlier pages mentioned that he changed his eeprom and his xbox serial is still the same according to the XBL screen... maybe a hd/cpu/mcpx/graphics chip serial system now?
also, what about a debugger of sorts on the lpc bus to see if there's dataflow/probing during XBL communication. it can be as simple as just grounding a led to each lpc hole and making sure it doesn't light. however, this may be futile as it seems even softmods and tsop mods are being banned.
i personally don't know if i've been banned, my xbox is broken, but when i get it running again ill sure as hell give all the details and do everything i can to help. this truly is puzzling.
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 23, 2004, 03:38:00 PM
| QUOTE (MrSpoons @ Oct 23 2004, 10:50 PM) |
| So how does this work for me then ? I was banned before - so I go out and get a brand new xbox with new hard drive (and executer 2.6) and still get banned? |
Maybe your EEPROM was previously used in another Xbox
? Ohhhh... these damn EEPROM resellers .| QUOTE |
| This is a REALLY, REALLY stupid question, but how do you run ConfigMagic to update the EEPROM? |
There's a readme file in CM.
Post by: Fink on October 23, 2004, 03:48:00 PM
Post by: GamezMan on October 23, 2004, 03:56:00 PM
| QUOTE (MrSpoons @ Oct 23 2004, 10:50 PM) |
| So how does this work for me then ? I was banned before - so I go out and get a brand new xbox with new hard drive (and executer 2.6) and still get banned? |
Yo spoons , u saying it was a brand new xbox ??? and u still got banned ???/ daaaaaaaaaam that sucks..
Did u copy saves from old box ?? if so though mem-card or pc ???
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Anyway im back onlive for now dont know how long its gonna last for though..
Info
Got eeprom and stock hdd from freinds xbox which had never been live but had been on xlink and xbc .
No evox or apps or anything apart from stock so far, but i must copy save for RSC from mem-card later (as its from mem-card im sure it must be safe)
As hdd is only tiny this is just a test for me cus i dont want no tiny weeni hdd, but if it still works in a few weeks i will put in a bigger 1 and new eeprom.
I wiil update regulary (just hope i dont post "iv been banned agian")
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 23, 2004, 04:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (MrSpoons @ Oct 23 2004, 04:37 PM) |
| heres a bit more info to add to the confusing list of stuff so far I was one of the people who kept getting banned, so I've gone off and bought a new xbox (pre-modded with new hard drive and a basic version of evox installed on the C partition). Lo and behold I'm banned again - the chip has never been on when I've been playing live, and the only thing thats the same is my gamertag. I only set up my live account after all the changes were done. Really cant be arsed with live anymore after this - I may as well give up and resell all my originals - emulation and XBMC will keep me happy enough  |
As you can see, MrSpoons has bought a premodded Xbox, which may mean that there are some dumbfucks who sell EEPROMs from Xboxes that they've sold for someone else ;/.
Oh, btw, my friend has low-formatted his HDD and his on way to put it back to the Xbox (of course this will include EEPROM reflash to get unbanned). We'll be posting the results.
Post by: Yankee Ruin X on October 23, 2004, 04:14:00 PM
Post by: handles25 on October 23, 2004, 04:18:00 PM
I need a memory card to backup my profile.
Its been about 3 hours. Othen then a roster update my Xbox is game saveless.
Has anyone been banned that only used the 2 mo free card?
Post by: Phunnybonz on October 23, 2004, 04:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (A.Z.BEST® @ Oct 23 2004, 09:23 PM) |
| I feel that my method really works. You just have to make sure that the EEPROM you're going to flash is not banned. Welcome back on XBL and have fun, Optimus . |
AZ, can you clarify that? Do you think all these recent bans are just a case of a bunch of dickheads reselling eeproms?
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 23, 2004, 04:34:00 PM
? My nick means actually asbestos in polish .
Post by: knodi on October 23, 2004, 05:38:00 PM
Man all this crap had to happen before Halo 2, why could it wait after Halo 2.
I tryed everything (but changing my GT), the new harddrive and eeprom theory; did work for me. I'm not willing to change my GamerTag cus I'm pretty well knowen on LIVE and I don't want to lose this GT.
Thanks for your help and time guys.
It was fun while it lasted.
Post by: fruitbat04 on October 23, 2004, 06:14:00 PM
Post by: gamerguy999 on October 26, 2004, 11:13:00 AM
| QUOTE (blacksonic @ Oct 26 2004, 11:03 AM) |
| im not selling them im giving them away for testing purposes. and |
And you will not get banned for selling them anyways, xbox-scene doesn't care.
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 26, 2004, 12:20:00 PM
Post by: mc_365 on October 26, 2004, 12:43:00 PM
I think what everyone wants to know is:
When was your first bann?
When was your last bann on same xbox?
What was the last method you used to get the same xbox un-banned (step by step)?
How long have you been live since your successful un-banning method?
Post by: mc_365 on October 26, 2004, 12:48:00 PM
To be clear when you got banned 2 weeks ago what caused it?
Post by: joker469 on October 26, 2004, 01:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (mc_365 @ Oct 26 2004, 08:46 PM) |
| joker469, I think what everyone wants to know is: When was your first bann? When was your last bann on same xbox? What was the last method you used to get the same xbox un-banned (step by step)? How long have you been live since your successful un-banning method? |
my first ban was back in 2002
i havent had another ban yet
i replaced the old hard drive with a cloned copy using the method i posted in my link a couple posts back ...after i fixed it i got back on live and have been on for 3 days now
i replaced my old eeprom with a new one from zodiac and i got another just incase things happen.
probably the only thing that is still from the old xbox is the processor and thats it. and just so you know brienj of the xbox saves forum posted in the ninja hackers forum about how not to get banned but amoung other things i think the way to not get banned is if you copy your xbox hard drive properly your c$ partition can not be moddified in any way or else MS will ban you repedidly anyway this is the best of my knowledge so hope this helps you guys much
edit:
one thing
1. new hard drive
2. new live account deleted my old one and made a new one
3. flashed eeprom
4. thats it i think
Post by: XboxGamer25 on October 26, 2004, 01:13:00 PM
I flashed new eeprom over, played on live last night (last thing i did on the xbox),
Boot up today to go back on live and I'm banned again. So it takes some time for you to get rebanned...if they were checking hard drive then i should have been banned right away..but it took some time...
Luckly I have a spare box with no modchip in it...
Post by: joker469 on October 26, 2004, 01:18:00 PM
Post by: dogfish on October 26, 2004, 01:24:00 PM
Xboxgamer25, your experience mirrors mine exactly, I think they are checking hard drive though, because regardless, if you leave a modchip on, go on live, immediately log off again, switch off the mod chip and try and log on, you will find you are not banned. Whats happening is your machine gets read, for whatever details, it looks like HDD serial and eeprom at the moment, if they don't match or were banned previously then you are flagged and banned next time they do a sweep, which appears to be every 24 hours or less.
Has anyone tried
1. Getting banned
2. replacing HDD
3. Reflashing eeprom
I bet this works. and I bet this works if you have a halo 2 save on that new hdd. Just be careful because H2 always prompts you to sign into live.
Post by: blacksonic on October 26, 2004, 01:27:00 PM
Post by: joker469 on October 26, 2004, 01:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (dogfish @ Oct 26 2004, 09:27 PM) |
| joker, I think you are posting a few rumours. I have seen first hand, that a halo 2 save does not Ban you, I mean I have literally seen someone with many many H2 profiles saved on HD log on and off live multiple times over a period greater than 3 days. Xboxgamer25, your experience mirrors mine exactly, I think they are checking hard drive though, because regardless, if you leave a modchip on, go on live, immediately log off again, switch off the mod chip and try and log on, you will find you are not banned. Whats happening is your machine gets read, for whatever details, it looks like HDD serial and eeprom at the moment, if they don't match or were banned previously then you are flagged and banned next time they do a sweep, which appears to be every 24 hours or less. Has anyone tried 1. Getting banned 2. replacing HDD 3. Reflashing eeprom I bet this works. and I bet this works if you have a halo 2 save on that new hdd. Just be careful because H2 always prompts you to sign into live. |
ok first of all get things right im not talking about HALO 2 SAVES im talking about XBOX LIVE UPDATE.XBE FILE that updates the dash board amoung other things. that is why thiers a patch out that will delete those files for you if you dontknow how .
o
andi have done all that plus more
i also created a new xbox live gamer tag so that my old one wouldnt get me banned thats the secret to this if you get banned its due to a check on the processor
Post by: kakelkund on October 26, 2004, 01:38:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| One friend I have, and he IS VERY SMART, so, he is not fuck1ng up anything neither making false statements, has told me something that made me afraid... He said that he has his XBOX on a no-break. His XBOX is TSOP flashed with a Xecuter 2 BIOS and he doesn't use XBOX LIVE at all (well, since the TSOP is not split, it is not possible). He has XBOX default dashboard, and has XBOX MEDIA CENTER as evoxdash.xbe, so, when he turns on his XBOX, the Xecuter2 bios will open XBOX MEDIA CENTER. Just right, right? Now the scary thing... He has updated MS default dashboard using Burnout 3, turned off the console, never used it again with no games in drive (so the XBMC loads).... Until today, when he turns on the console and XBOX Dashboard appears.... Scary hun? Simply, the evoxdash.xbe file of his C drive is gone, simply that (no, he doesn't use XBMC as xboxdash.xbe and as evoxdash.xbe). So, what could have happened? |
With friends like these, you don't need enemies.
This is just not true! I have done the exact same thing with Burnout 3 (it was the only way I could get the updated dash, I got "technical difficulties..." when I tried to update from dash). I also have Evox on C without any problem at all.
Post by: dogfish on October 26, 2004, 01:44:00 PM
)How and what gets checked on the processor? Where did you get this info and how reliable is it? I still what to hear from someone that has done an HDD switch then an eeprom switch.
Post by: joker469 on October 26, 2004, 01:47:00 PM
edit:
o yea lol i forgot to mention about the processor id check... lol i read that from the beggining of this post. its the first one in this post just read the entire thing as an entity and you should be good.
edit 2:
if the tsop breaks cant you just solder a modchip with the retail bios of M$ and go live?
just curious
Post by: mc_365 on October 26, 2004, 01:58:00 PM
There maybe some cases that are in opossition to this conclustion but those anomalies may be attributed to other variables such as:
Purchase point of xbox. Eg "I bought my xbox pre modded"
Source of eeprom replacement. Eg Eeprom seller sold the same eeprom to 5 people.
Live Service Thecnical Issues. Eg Data corruption on MS server.
Human Error. Eg Logged in with Hacked Bios.
Other random events. Eg Someone on live complained that you where using a Hack
We can speculate as much as we want but this is where the evidence leads me.
Don't get banned the first time and you will be allright for now.
Post by: CloakedHunter on October 26, 2004, 02:07:00 PM
Post by: Hinotori on October 26, 2004, 02:15:00 PM
| QUOTE (mc_365 @ Oct 26 2004, 10:01 PM) |
| From this and the other threads I can only conclude that MS is doing nothing different as far as detection of modified boxes. What they have done is to use an new technique to thrawt the efforts of owners of previously banned boxes from returning to the gaming service with the same modifed hardware. The HD serial is being utilized in tandem with the eeprom to prevent re-entry of compromised boxes back into the gaming enviornment. When first bann occurs eeprom and HD serial data is most likely archived. Now starting on or about 10/15 MS is pulling all eeproms and serials and cross referencing with the banned database. If either unique identifier exist in previously banned database imediate bann is triggerd and HD serial and eeprom are recorded into banned database. The only way to unban your xbox is to get a New HD and non banned eeprom or get a new xbox. There maybe some cases that are in opossition to this conclustion but those anomalies may be attributed to other variables such as: Purchase point of xbox. Eg "I bought my xbox pre modded" Source of eeprom replacement. Eg Eeprom seller sold the same eeprom to 5 people. Live Service Thecnical Issues. Eg Data corruption on MS server. Human Error. Eg Logged in with Hacked Bios. Other random events. Eg Someone on live complained that you where using a Hack We can speculate as much as we want but this is where the evidence leads me. Don't get banned the first time and you will be allright for now. |
There is someone in one of the threads here that says he has two xboxes, one banned and one not banned.
He says he did put the HD of the banned console on the never banned console, and it was still not banned. I really don't have a clue if it is true or not, but assuming it is, there is something left to figure out.
Post by: mc_365 on October 26, 2004, 02:16:00 PM
If you and your Bud are willing you can test Cloakedhunters theory.
Dogfish can you save your banned GT to a memory card then on your buds box delete his GT and load yours form the memory card and see if you can play for 72 hours?
Post by: DarkMMM on October 26, 2004, 02:23:00 PM
Post by: joker469 on October 26, 2004, 02:25:00 PM
Post by: DarkMMM on October 26, 2004, 02:30:00 PM
Post by: dogfish on October 26, 2004, 02:31:00 PM
, Illl ask this evening though.I will try a gamertag on a non modded box though and see what happens.
Post by: Stretch2004 on October 26, 2004, 02:33:00 PM
"The Xbox Live team has noticed and received reports from the Xbox Live community about users connecting to the Xbox Live service using modified Xbox consoles. In most cases, these users have used the modifications to gain an unfair advantage over other players, such as racing modified, faster cars in Project Gotham Racing 2. By doing this, users are breaking the Terms of Service that must be agreed to when a gametag is created. The Xbox Live team will not tolerate this unfair activity and have taken steps to protect our community from this cheating.
Xbox Live has recently initiated additional security measures to ensure that those connecting to Xbox Live with modified hardware will be removed from the system. Modified consoles will be banned, and information about those banned machines will be tracked to prevent them from connecting to the service again.
Its important to the Xbox Live team that we provide an environment that is free of cheating and gives all players an opportunity to compete fairly online. Xbox Live constantly monitors for users attempting to bypass security measures and gain unfair advantages over other players, and will take additional action as needed."
Yeahhhhh, i bet they only did it to stop cheaters pfft
Post by: joker469 on October 26, 2004, 02:34:00 PM
i was just using that as an exaple since i cloned my stock my replacement is just as exceptionl as my stock item hard drive
Goku is Stronger then vegita and mystic gohan can go supersayin if he wants and is stronger the super saiyin 4 gojita
lol
Post by: Orangey on October 26, 2004, 02:36:00 PM
| QUOTE (Stretch2004 @ Oct 26 2004, 02:36 PM) |
| Just seen this on Xbox Forums. Thought it might interest you: "The Xbox Live team has noticed and received reports from the Xbox Live community about users connecting to the Xbox Live service using modified Xbox consoles. In most cases, these users have used the modifications to gain an unfair advantage over other players, such as racing modified, faster cars in Project Gotham Racing 2. By doing this, users are breaking the Terms of Service that must be agreed to when a gametag is created. The Xbox Live team will not tolerate this unfair activity and have taken steps to protect our community from this cheating. Xbox Live has recently initiated additional security measures to ensure that those connecting to Xbox Live with modified hardware will be removed from the system. Modified consoles will be banned, and information about those banned machines will be tracked to prevent them from connecting to the service again. Its important to the Xbox Live team that we provide an environment that is free of cheating and gives all players an opportunity to compete fairly online. Xbox Live constantly monitors for users attempting to bypass security measures and gain unfair advantages over other players, and will take additional action as needed." Yeahhhhh, i bet they only did it to stop cheaters pfft |
Nothing like week old news. *yawn*
Post by: dogfish on October 26, 2004, 02:38:00 PM
| QUOTE (DarkMMM @ Oct 26 2004, 10:33 PM) |
| does it have to be a stock hdd or will my old 14gb work?? |
DarkMM here is how it currently seems to be working.
If you have been banned with a modded xbox and a modded hd you need to do this
1. get a new hdd and install doesn't have to be stock, can be a new HDD just with a different serial
2. Get a new eeprom and flash it. Don't forget to unlock hdd before flashing and lock after flashing
3. should be good to go, possibly try a different gamertag, I don't think this matters though. I'm sure they can't ban gamertags and I don't think a flagged gamertag could subject you to closer scrutiny than a non flagged one, what else could they check? your gamertag still entitles you to use xbox live, just not on modified hardware.
Post by: Stretch2004 on October 26, 2004, 02:39:00 PM
| QUOTE (Orangey @ Oct 26 2004, 10:39 PM) |
| Nothing like week old news. *yawn* |
Yes i know the whole "banning" issue is old but i just wanted to post the official news from MS as i thought some of you might not have seen it. The slightly small post was uncalled for really as you could have just ignored it.
Post by: mc_365 on October 26, 2004, 02:40:00 PM
You could have just put a link for future reference.
And dogfish, the issue realy is can you get a modded box back on live after you have been banned with the same GT. I fully understand you and your bro.
Post by: Stretch2004 on October 26, 2004, 02:43:00 PM
| QUOTE (mc_365 @ Oct 26 2004, 10:43 PM) |
| we all saw that on the frontpage of this site. You could have just put a link for future reference. |
Right, ok. That's my fault then i should have checked.
I've just been offline for a couple of weeks.
Post by: joker469 on October 26, 2004, 02:52:00 PM
Post by: dogfish on October 26, 2004, 02:52:00 PM
I'll do my best to investigate live on someones box....... Wish me luck, I can't see many people being up for it.
Post by: DarkMMM on October 26, 2004, 02:53:00 PM
Post by: joker469 on October 26, 2004, 02:55:00 PM
Post by: dogfish on October 26, 2004, 03:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (joker469 @ Oct 26 2004, 10:55 PM) |
| yawn so no that problem is solved how do we warn people about it |
not quite solved yet, I'm going to test my banned GT on
1. non modified box
2. try and test on a modified, but currently live safe box. (pff wish me luck).
That seems to be correct DarkMM, but there is suspicion that your Gamertag is flagged as well at the moment, if you cop another banning with new HD and gamertag then we will know.
I really can't see it being gamertag though, lets reason it out.
1. If it's gamertag related, you realise how many GT cancelations and refunds MS is going to have to deal with? regardless of if they actually give a refund, it's going to be a lot of work.
2. If it's gamertag related, it must be that your xbox is closer scrutinised than other xboxs when you login, why wouldn't they just subject everyone to this scrutiny.
Post by: Killa420 on October 26, 2004, 03:14:00 PM
I have a 1.4 box, xenium ice chip, 160 gig maxtor hd. Running unleash / avalaunch , all on the c:\ I have never had a live account ever. However, when I first got my xbox a while back, sometime around July or something. Before I modded anything, I ran the xbox live thing and it downloaded some kind of live update? 2.0 or something to my STOCK hd. I then installed my chip, backed up my c:\ and e:\ drives to pc and then installed my new 160 gig maxtor and just transfered everything back over, then added my dash's ect. Since i've had my chip, I have never booted into live on accident, never ran the live update or anything and no one has ever used my xbox without me present so I know I havent accidentily connected to live. So my question is this, Can I get onto live without getting banned? I know I have to boot my retail m$ bios with my x-ice chip but I just dont want to go waste $50 on a year subscription just to get it banned and waste $50, thanks
Post by: Stretch2004 on October 26, 2004, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: joker469 on October 26, 2004, 03:22:00 PM
but who knows im just going to enjoy my live and let you guys duke this shit out cause frankly im done with this shit
and for you newbies just go back and read the last 4 pages that should answer a bunch of you questions
Post by: GamezMan on October 26, 2004, 03:55:00 PM
What i did for ppl u dont know
stock hdd and eeprom never been on live...
no evox or apps nor any thing none stock so far
only tranfered save from mem-card...
And maan this thred is getting real messy.... but i undersatnd...
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 26, 2004, 04:41:00 PM
| QUOTE (joker469 @ Oct 26 2004, 11:25 PM) |
| im sick of all these posts lol we are not getting anywear except underwear lol. |
As you can see... I'm not protesting
. I like getting somewhere underwear xD. Well said. You got my beer .Anyway; Gamezman, we're also happy. It works!!!
Post by: joker469 on October 26, 2004, 07:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (A.Z.BEST® @ Oct 27 2004, 12:44 AM) |
| As you can see... I'm not protesting . I like getting somewhere underwear xD. Well said. You got my beer . Anyway; Gamezman, we're also happy. It works!!! |
LOL YEA THANKS well as i said before i dont think thiers much we can due except try to replace as much as we can and belive they will ban those that connect again with simmaler hardware some how and just be cuatious
Post by: Veryn on October 26, 2004, 07:56:00 PM
Post by: Mast3r Ch13f on October 26, 2004, 08:52:00 PM
If they were, my 2nd Xbox would have been banned a long time ago because the GT I'm using has been banned over 6times now.
For those who missed my last post on my setup can check here: Link
I haven't tested the switching of both the HD and EEPROM on a banned Xbox. But one thing I know for sure is that using a Xbox that has never been banned (regardless if you have homebrew apps on it or a disabled chip) will not be banned even if you used your old GT.
Post by: Veryn on October 26, 2004, 09:06:00 PM
Post by: rmjjensen on October 26, 2004, 11:22:00 PM
Post by: wafflezone on October 27, 2004, 12:44:00 AM
Tomorrow I will test live again and see if im still not banned.
Post by: blacksonic on October 27, 2004, 04:10:00 AM
Post by: bagofice on October 27, 2004, 04:42:00 AM
Post by: sirfloyd on October 27, 2004, 07:41:00 AM
So I switched eeproms, got on live and was fine up until the last week.
My question is; Ever since I changed my Eeprom My Xbox won't recognize my Stock HD any more? I get the error 16 message.
Why is that?
Thanks
Post by: Orionn on October 27, 2004, 07:56:00 AM
| QUOTE (Killa420 @ Oct 26 2004, 11:17 PM) |
| Before I modded anything, I ran the xbox live thing and it downloaded some kind of live update? 2.0 or something to my STOCK hd. I then installed my chip, backed up my c:\ and e:\ drives to pc and then installed my new 160 gig maxtor and just transfered everything back over, then added my dash's ect. |
I'm in the same boat. Updated the dash on the retail hdd, backed everything up, installed chip and new hdd, and put everything back on XBox.
I've never had XBLive, but was thinking about it for Halo2. Can anyone say whether or not I'm going to get banned for swapping hdd? Probably too early to say, I'd guess.
Post by: VeggetoX on October 27, 2004, 08:11:00 AM
Post by: Penfoldian on October 27, 2004, 11:48:00 AM
| QUOTE (VeggetoX @ Oct 27 2004, 04:14 PM) |
| Ok don't know if this has been covered or not yet (got to go to a class soon and don't have time to go through all the prev. pages.) As far as getting banned if you switch Hdds and not your Eeprom, I don't think this is what is going on since I still had a virgin xbox when I got live at launch ( modded last summer.) and have changed my HDD since then and I have not been banned. This is not to say that they ARE banning our HDD serials when they ban us now. But since I have never been banned before so I have not had a problem even after this new security kicked in even though I switched HDDs after I had been on live for about 7 months prior to modding. |
your point being......?
Post by: xboxnextuk on October 27, 2004, 12:04:00 PM
Post by: Killa420 on October 27, 2004, 12:50:00 PM
Post by: GamezMan on October 27, 2004, 04:10:00 PM
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Has any of the unbanned ppl tryed any tunnel software yet.. i want to try it but im worred that i might get banned thought it,,, but i WILL try it by the weekend, as i have real phisical freinds on there but none on xbox live ...
(Back onlive 4-days so far)
Post by: CloakedHunter on October 27, 2004, 04:14:00 PM
The three subscription codes that I had to do my test are all invalid.
Anyone have an extra valid Xbox Live two month trial subscription code?
EDIT 1: blacksonic came through in shining colors and helped me to continue my test! His generosity is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
EDIT 2: Xbox Live account (with new GT and billing/credit card information) created after 18.5 hours being unbanned without an Xbox Live account.
Post by: VeggetoX on October 27, 2004, 04:45:00 PM
| QUOTE (Penfoldian @ Oct 27 2004, 07:51 PM) |
| your point being......? |
My point was in reference to theory posted in the earlier pages about that if you connect to Xbox Live using a HDD other then the one you where using the first time you got on live without changing your Eeprom you will be banned. I was just saying I have changed my HDD since I first started using live and still am on my stock Eeprom. Thus saying I doubt changing your HDD is causing people to be banned, that's all.
Post by: stazi on October 31, 2004, 07:47:00 AM
Post by: CloakedHunter on October 31, 2004, 08:24:00 AM
- Installed Avalaunch (F Drive)
- Installed XBMC (F Drive)
- Installed dvd2xbox (F Drive)
- Played the game on DVD.
I'm still unbanned this morning for 108 hours (4.5 days).
Has anyone heard from Miggidy? Hello???
Post by: GamezMan on October 31, 2004, 11:07:00 AM
So Cloak
But we still havn't learned as much as we think... like when u got banned with ur 1st test(as others have also with same setup), for all they know (m$) and we know u could have gotten a brand new xbox unmoded, or borrowed a friend unmodded xbox. but u still got banned, surly that would be illigal !!! so they must have a way to find out that it was ethier the same xbox or another modded 1.
Hope some-1 figures this out soon..
Post by: GamezMan on October 31, 2004, 01:42:00 PM
If youv'e NEVER BEEN BANNED BEFORE u can change hdd after being on XBL..
Most of ur points are ONLY if u have been banned before....
XBL isn't lookng for Halo2 but maby for hacked files
Post by: Phunnybonz on October 31, 2004, 07:36:00 PM
| QUOTE (GamezMan @ Oct 31 2004, 10:45 PM) |
| If youv'e NEVER BEEN BANNED BEFORE u can change hdd after being on XBL.. |
Dude, are you POSITIVE about that? Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning what you are saying, I'm just trying to make sure I am understanding correctly. This would mean that XBL security is ONLY cross checking eeprom & hdd info if you've signed on with a hacked bios? So could I put one of your banned hdds in my xbox and sign on and NOT get banned?
Post by: GamezMan on October 31, 2004, 08:20:00 PM
Dont know about putting a "banned" hdd in maby u could ( im sure i a guy in a diff thred tryed it and it worked) but u can put any bigger hdd in an not get banned (if u anit been banned befor that is).
I dont know how there securityworks or what kinds of checks they do on who... seens like no-1 realy knows as yet ...
Post by: shank69xo on October 31, 2004, 08:48:00 PM
I have a 250Gb HD. It was in there when I set up my Live account over a year ago.
So I replaced the EEPROM, with a fresh one, Im sure because I modded the box it came out of. But I disnt replace the HD.And ran account recovery. I got banned again with the chip off, and this time MS dash auto-sign in was off. It was almost immediately. I logged in, logged off, logged back in, and that was that. I never have had that french game on it, nor any hacked saves. I do use evox trainers, and dashboards are installed on C:\, Apps on E:\, Emus and Games on F:\.
I have another XBOX with an AladdinADV64 and a stock 10 Gb, with F:\ formatted.
Dashboards on C:\, Apps on E:\, nothing on F:\ but it has been partitioned and formatted. This XBOX plays on XBLive with a different gamertag everyday with no probs. And it has all kinds of profiles from that french game.
I am going to flash a new EEPROM tomorrow and install a stock 10gb HD, with only MS files on it, adn see if I can stay on Live.
I also have another XBOX that has never been on Live, with a 120Gb. I am going to set up a fresh account on it tomorrow too.
Will post back with results.
Post by: gamerguy999 on October 31, 2004, 09:15:00 PM
I have been using a xbox live trial with my stock hard drive, but the trial just ended. I have not been banned. Can I use another xbox live trial on the same xbox but with my 160GB hard drive? I will be making another gamertag, so I will not be using the same one.
Another thing, I downloaded a thing that has modified maps for halo, do I need to delete this and my cache drive before I use a new xbox live trial or do those matter?
Post by: dzv on November 01, 2004, 05:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (Phunnybonz @ Nov 1 2004, 02:39 PM) |
| Dude, are you POSITIVE about that? Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning what you are saying, I'm just trying to make sure I am understanding correctly. This would mean that XBL security is ONLY cross checking eeprom & hdd info if you've signed on with a hacked bios? |
I tested this myself. I've been on XBL for a year. A little over a week ago (with all this talk about new bannings) I decided to test swapping HDDs. I started my own thread about the experiment, but Shanafan decided it would be more useful if it were merged into this thread (you'll find my post if you want to sift through this whole thread).
Anyway, the result of my experiment was that I did not get banned for simply swapping HDDs. I took out a stock Seagate HDD, replaced it with a 160G HDD, and after a week of still being on XBL, I swapped them back again. I'm still on XBL without a banning.
As GamezMan said, swapping HDDs only causes a problem if you've been banned before.
Post by: Penfoldian on November 01, 2004, 06:14:00 AM
GOT A FRIEND IN A SPOT A OF BOTHER!
I NEED TO KNOW....
1. NEW HDD NEW EEPROM = XBOXLIVE! ?? (unbanned)
Reason why I ask cause these threads are getting so confusing, people saying it dont work u still get banned etc....
Post by: A.Z.BEST on November 01, 2004, 07:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (Phunnybonz @ Oct 31 2004, 10:07 PM) |
| Hey, A.Z.Best? Would it be possible for you to update the First post with what is known so far? I've been following this thread & I'm not sure I KNOW what's known so far. Here's what I think we know, correct me if I'm wrong. Stock Xbox using XBL: If you intend to mod it and upgrade the hdd you'll have to also change your eeprom since you are changing your hdd. This makes XBL think you are using a different Xbox. Modded xbox using XBL, never been banned: You have no worries, just do NOT change your hdd without also changing your eeprom. This makes XBL think you are using a different Xbox. Modded xbox not on XBL but thinking of signing up: You have no worries, just do NOT change your hdd without also changing your eeprom. Or change your hdd BEFORE signing up. Modded xbox on XBL, previously banned: You'll have to change your hdd & eeprom for sure. You may also have to change your gamer tag. This is unclear. Things that are unclear: -If gamer tag is flagged once you've been banned -If XBL is looking for hacked game saves -If XBL is looking for saves from French game, or English leak |
None of this is sure, but I'll add it as "the most probable". But; as you've heard, it's safe to change the hdd if you've never been banned.
Post by: A.Z.BEST on November 02, 2004, 03:20:00 AM
.DeresDK: 1000kr for a new Xbox at www.computercity.dk
. You can also buy an used console (if it's not modded).
Post by: redneon on November 02, 2004, 03:29:00 AM
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=299473
I'm looking into stopping MS packets before they reach the Xbox but I may need a little help and am hoping someone on here can help. By the way, I also have a few 2 month trial serials if anyone's interested to aid their testing. They're for PAL UK games though so I don't know if that makes a difference.
Post by: A.Z.BEST on November 02, 2004, 03:39:00 AM
| QUOTE (bbanka @ Nov 2 2004, 12:31 PM) |
| one more question A.Z.BEST® how do you think about using new eeprom and different HD used in a modded- xbox before but never been banned.I have a 80g HD used before changing to 200g HD and I have connected to XBL with 80g HD for three mounths. but never been banned with it |
There shall be no problems. But you can change the EEPROM if you want to. It's all up to you actually. Maybe is a bit risky, but I think that there shall be no problems- as I said it
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Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on November 02, 2004, 05:19:00 AM
Post by: g0tr3wt23 on November 02, 2004, 06:52:00 AM
I made another post byut no one has answered it yet so I'll ask here...
Xecuter2 4983 with DMS X-bit
250gb wd hdd
c:\evoxdash.xbe
xboxdash.xbe
(few miscellaneous folders I can't remember)
e: all gamesaves I'm assuming?
f: \appz
games
g: games
x,y,z all cached game data
Never been banned and I want to try to sign up for xblive (though I did use xbconnect when I had a bios prior to xecuter2 4980 but my dash hadn't been updated by xbl to do the autologin shindig so I think I'm safe from that.) I turned my chip off last night and went thru the registration process thinking I could buy a trial subscription code off of their website but to no avail. I'll be a guinea pig if someone will tell me what to do, how to prep, and bum me one of those two month trial subscription codes. If I get banned I'll just buy another xbox. But I'm pretty sure I have exactly the setup yall want to test.
Post by: g0tr3wt23 on November 02, 2004, 07:14:00 AM
If anyone has any tips before I do this post em now...lol
Post by: sirfloyd on November 02, 2004, 07:56:00 AM
I wasted $60 on Eeproms and hours of time before I figured this out.
LOL
Sirfloyd
Post by: asjeep on November 02, 2004, 08:05:00 AM
Post by: solid7x2 on November 02, 2004, 08:25:00 AM
Post by: Ces2k3 on November 02, 2004, 09:15:00 AM
Post by: GamezMan on November 02, 2004, 11:30:00 AM
to Miggidy
Post by: shank69xo on November 02, 2004, 03:14:00 PM
The v1.6 previously metioned as going well on Live, is now banned. This GT has now been banned 3 times since Oct.16.
My v1.3 with Aladdin ADV64 and stock 10Gb is still on, with dash files and apps on it too. I think this one will be fine. It has been on everyday since B-Day.
So now I flashed a new EEPROM to my v1.0, my XBOX, and also setup a retail 10Gb HD, with only MS files on it. It is working on Live just fine for about 12 hours now. So Im not out of the clear, except that I am also unplugging the chip from this one. So technically this XBOX is not modded at all when signing onto Live. If it gets banned, Im calling MS and raising hell.
Well thats all the info for now.
Post by: poiygon on November 02, 2004, 05:43:00 PM
1st ban
- Your XBox (or one using the same EEPROM info) got caught on live with your chip on some how, wether it be Live Aware or accidentally clicking the Live tab
- Gamertag is flagged with infraction
Following bans (after EEPROM updates)
- Happen if you connect with chip on (duh)
- Using the same HDD that you were using when you got banned
HDD Swapping
- Safe if you've never been banned. Can do it multiple times.
- Must be done if you were banned. HDD must be locked to a new EEPROM.
- HDD doesn't need to be stock
Things to prevent being banned
- Use a bios that has Live Blocking
- Swap the HDD and EEPROM (if banned)
- Buy a new XBox and don't mod it
Post by: forsfed86 on November 02, 2004, 08:47:00 PM
Post by: shank69xo on November 02, 2004, 09:01:00 PM
To be safe, use the old HD only for XBLive. Thats the situation I am currently in too.
Post by: boothwrangler on November 03, 2004, 09:25:00 AM
Please update us with your results. I just acquired a stock hdd with eeprom and I'm wanting to take my xbox back to retail without getting a new gamertag. I'm hoping that will work and that I'll be able to get it done before the real Super Tuesday.
boothwrangler.
Post by: poiygon on November 03, 2004, 10:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (quicksilv @ Nov 3 2004, 01:22 PM) |
| poiygon: if you want a big HDD and have been banned before you MUST grab a new gamertag as well. |
I'll test this when I get a new EEPROM for my banned XBox. I have a brand new 160gb standing by to swap in my XBox. So it'll go from this:
XBox v1.2
-- Banned once for a stupid mistake
-- Banned again 12 hrs after signing onto live after changing EEPROM
-- 60GB HDD (same for both bans)
To this:
XBox v1.2 (same banned box)
-- New, unbanned EEPROM that has never been on live
-- New 160gb HDD that has never been used (and never been on live)
-- Same gamertag (poiygon)
*edit*
And just for more information: I also have another modded XBox (v1.4) that has not been banned. I'm running live on it using the same gamertag that I was using when the other XBox got banned. This XBox has a stock HDD installed in it.
Post by: GamezMan on November 03, 2004, 10:50:00 AM
but then again if u try it, it will conferm the B.I.G. 100 % .... which we need as 99% anit good enough.. pleas post results ASAP ...
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PLus what do we (we= the ppl who been trying to figure this out ) think of a New Eeprom. New Game-Tag. but "OLD-Banned hdd , in theory this should work...... i think, ......maby
Post by: GamezMan on November 03, 2004, 10:54:00 AM
| QUOTE (forsfed86 @ Nov 3 2004, 05:50 AM) |
| I have a virgin xbox that has never been modded or banned but I do play xbox live all the time. ........ Will I be ok installing the new HD and Chip or do you think I wll be banned? Thanks in advance. |
Yes it will be ok , a few ppl have tested this changing hdd many time after B-Day.
Post by: GamezMan on November 03, 2004, 06:11:00 PM
| QUOTE (redneon @ Nov 3 2004, 11:33 PM) |
| How are you people having your Xbox when you're trying to get banned? Are you just connecting to XBL and then trying again in a number of hours to see if you've been banned? As you may have read in my other thread I'm trying to get more information on the network stream and packets that MS are using so I can cut off the problem before it reaches the Xbox. I'm basically trying to replicate what you guys have been doing. |
I dont think any of the ppl here are\were trying to get banned,
Is that what ur are asking ??? maby i dont understand but if ur testing and want to get banned wouln't u just turn ur chip on a go live ???
Post by: GamezMan on November 03, 2004, 07:43:00 PM
Post by: reddsimpson on November 03, 2004, 08:58:00 PM
Post by: the_bond on November 04, 2004, 12:08:00 PM
I have been reading alot of threads regarding this new banning issue. Well i dont know but i think thats what happend with mine. I signed up with XBL one year ago with the original HDD. I later on got my Xbox chipped with new 80 GB HDD. I never got banned and anything and made sure that the chip is always off. I was a bit scared of Live 3.0 update and playing Rainbow Six 3: RA as its the only one using the latest update. By the way my subcription was expiring on the 24th Oct'04. I didnt get banned and thought of renewing my account. Everything went smooth. I bought prepaid renewal card and thought i'll get away with it. Now what i think MS doesnt scan ur xbox usually, they only do it when u sign up or renew ur account. The thing with mine was the last time i played was around 23rd. What i think is that they scanned my xbox the next time i tried logging after 24th and got busted. They must have marked my xbox during renewal process as there was same serial but different HDD. It makes sense as if u buy a new xbox and look for ur account from the management. The GT is untouched and works on new xbox as there is no history of this new serial with hard drive. I certainly believe that new eeprom and new HDD that never went on XBL should resolve the issue. Right now i m looking for a new Eeprom. Hopefully i'll let u know what happens. So guys make sure when u renew ur account or play first time after renewal, ur using the HDD u used during sign up initially.
Post by: poiygon on November 05, 2004, 02:03:00 AM
**update **
It's been 32 hours since the EEPROM and HDD were swapped. I have been banned. Sorry for doubting anyone, but I had to try it myself. Now the question is, what information are they getting that determines a box is modded when the chip is off?
Post by: smokeingit on November 05, 2004, 12:46:00 PM
2 nights ago i got banned from random, so thats when i changed everything on my xbox... then last night i was able to go on xbox live to find out today that i was banned and had not even got on hacked mode with my system...
what i need to know is what chips you guys are using... because this shit sucks, on how i got banned and didnt even have the chance to go on fucking evox. so we need to know whats going on. and yes you nooblets i did everything from change the mac and all. so lets hear more.
Post by: smokeingit on November 05, 2004, 01:21:00 PM
Post by: GamezMan on November 05, 2004, 01:27:00 PM
If not u coulden't have read this post, it is a mess but the info is here....
anyway here is the thred to sucsefully get back online http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=299557
Post by: smokeingit on November 05, 2004, 03:37:00 PM
i am going to install my old SmartXX chip and remove the X3 and see if i get banned again... this is the only way i can test a possiable theory.
Post by: lordvader129 on November 07, 2004, 10:48:00 AM
guess what, NOT banned, why? because i never connected to Live with a hacked bios loaded, its called being careful
Post by: poiygon on November 07, 2004, 12:39:00 PM
However, there is a good chance that you will be banned in the future if MS decides to step up their security. Right now we think that MS is gathering other info and testing a new method on gamertags that have been banned. This other info seems to rely heavily on the harddrive and eeprom. If they start banning HDD models/serial #s that aren't in their database, many people will be needing to buy seperate XBoxes just for XBL.
Post by: lordvader129 on November 07, 2004, 02:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (poiygon @ Nov 7 2004, 02:42 PM) |
| Well duh asswipe. Some people, including myself, made a mistake somewhere. Wether it be playing a Live Aware game without having an XBL blocking BIOS or thinking you could play a backup on XBL. Whatever the case may be, it was never intentional. However, there is a good chance that you will be banned in the future if MS decides to step up their security. Right now we think that MS is gathering other info and testing a new method on gamertags that have been banned. This other info seems to rely heavily on the harddrive and eeprom. If they start banning HDD models/serial #s that aren't in their database, many people will be needing to buy seperate XBoxes just for XBL. |
from what ive noticed the new system is to ban both eeprom and HD serial number when you connect with a hacked bios loaded
after this initial ban it is then possible to be banned with chip off, sicne your HD is also banned it will ban your new eeprom, thus far the only way to get banned for the first time is the same as it has always been, conencting to live with hacked bios laoded
im not making any arguemnts for future security measures MS may implement, who knows what theyll do in the future thats not what im discussing, my point is that there are only 2 ways to get banned, and only 1 if youve never been banned before
Post by: lordvader129 on November 07, 2004, 03:32:00 PM
Post by: llsektorll on November 07, 2004, 07:39:00 PM
Post by: shank69xo on November 07, 2004, 09:22:00 PM
Post by: dazmeister on November 08, 2004, 12:32:00 PM
I got an Xecutor 2.3b lite put in along with a 160gig HDD. I connected to Xbox Live! using Full Spectrum Warrior 2 weeks ago, and still can today. I can get into it via the dashboard as well. No problems at all, anywhere. this is using the same EEPROM, as far as I know, throughout.
The HDD does not appear to bother it at all.
Post by: poiygon on November 08, 2004, 03:57:00 PM
| QUOTE (lordvader129 @ Nov 7 2004, 11:33 PM) |
| from what ive noticed the new system is to ban both eeprom and HD serial number when you connect with a hacked bios loaded after this initial ban it is then possible to be banned with chip off, sicne your HD is also banned it will ban your new eeprom, thus far the only way to get banned for the first time is the same as it has always been, conencting to live with hacked bios laoded |
It's beyond this. If you had read my post about my test, you'd know that changing the EEPROM and the HDD (non-stock) will still result in a ban. It seems as if MS is checking the HDD model #s (not serial #s as they will change even on stock HDDs) on banned gamertags, because the only way for a banned person to be perminently "unbanned" is by changing the EEPROM, HDD, and Gamertag (if they don't want to use a stock HDD).
I have great reason to believe that the new bans have to do with HDD model #s. MS has only used a handful of different HDD models inside the XBox. It would be easy to check the model # against a small database and ban the EEPROM of the XBox using a HDD that is not in the database. You could still get back on XBL for maybe a day or two by changing the EEPROM. However, if you don't change the HDD back to stock, you'll be banned again. The only way to have a larger HDD and use the XBox for XBL is to change your Gamertag. Of course, this is only for people that have been banned.
Now, here's the scary thought to those that haven't been banned. If MS were to change their scanning system from just the banned Gamertags to everyone, anyone with a HDD using a model # not in MS's database will be banned shortly after the security change is made. This will then force anyone who wants to play on XBL must be using a stock HDD. You can still mod the XBox, but you won't be able to upgrade the HDD. Many people will just buy another XBox just to play XBL or go back to the "old" method of backups and burn DVD-R.
Just to sum it up:
- Banned Gamertag must change Gamertag, EEPROM, and HDD to have an upgraded HDD and play on XBL.
- Never banned Gamertag maybe safe for HDD upgrades (for now at least)
- Banned Gamertag must use a stock HDD and new EEPROM if they want to keep their current Gamertag.
- MS could start banning everyone with a non-stock HDD if/when they choose to.
Post by: URPREY on November 08, 2004, 04:33:00 PM
Oh well.
Post by: URPREY on November 08, 2004, 04:37:00 PM
Post by: Mentok on November 08, 2004, 05:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (Dr_Colossus @ Nov 9 2004, 01:57 AM) |
| I just talked to this guy on another, very much non technical gaming board, who says his Xbox was banned from Live. Thing is it is completely stock except for a new Thompson drive he installed a month ago. Anyone else heard of anyone else being banned for installing a replacement DVD drive? I was looking at some Samsung 616t drives on Ebay because my drive is dying, barely reads DVD+RWs anymore, and I sure as hell do not want to be banned for fixing something I bought. |
Thats really messed up if they banned him for that.
As for me, I got banned 2x already.
FIrst time, I turn on my xb with xenium chip, it reset, then boot mx dash, then I log on live>BANNED.
I got a new eeprom and was able to get back on live, and also changed HD a few months later and to this day I've been fine.
But I just try to get on today with sfac(import, w-code disc) and got the banned message.
seems like M$ is really on the ball to ban people. Fucking bastards.
Post by: soul_reaver_sr on November 08, 2004, 05:13:00 PM
. So since this guy was really kewl with me and I don't wanna risk not being able to play H2 tomorrow so I ordered a replacement laser for my XBL only Xbox
Post by: Dr_Colossus on November 08, 2004, 05:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mentok @ Nov 9 2004, 02:06 AM) |
| Thats really messed up if they banned him for that. As for me, I got banned 2x already. FIrst time, I turn on my xb with xenium chip, it reset, then boot mx dash, then I log on live>BANNED. I got a new eeprom and was able to get back on live, and also changed HD a few months later and to this day I've been fine. But I just try to get on today with sfac(import, w-code disc) and got the banned message. seems like M$ is really on the ball to ban people. Fucking bastards. |
There might be some hope for him, he was on the line with tech support when I finished talking to him. I asked him to follow-up on it.
I wonder what sort of solution they'll give, they'll probably ask for the box to be sent in. What would be interesting is if they can override bannings, whitelisting his box so he's never banned for a modded box again, could be a loop hole for wouldbe live hackers.
Post by: Dr_Colossus on November 08, 2004, 05:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (soul_reaver_sr @ Nov 9 2004, 02:16 AM) |
| I just talked to a XBL guy on how I was about to replace my dying Phillips drive with a new one and he did tell me they are ways around getting banned (epprom edit maybe?) from it doing so but would not go into detail but he did recomened I do a laser replacement if I was able to since XBL does check serial #'s of the installed equipment in the xbox and if there are anything not orginal it would = a ban . So since this guy was really kewl with me and I don't wanna risk not being able to play H2 tomorrow so I ordered a replacement laser for my XBL only Xbox |
That just plain stupid, you're trying to play an original game that you bought. I wonder what type hack is possible for those of us who want the best of both worlds, can't turn a Samsung serial into a Thompson serial just by hexediting a bios can you? I always thought they were hardware encoded.
Post by: StefanProdan on November 09, 2004, 07:10:00 AM
Edit: Whoops, I just read the post at the top. I guess I'll have to return this hard drive and use my stock one. Good thing I kept it!
Post by: winnieandbuzz on November 10, 2004, 11:34:00 AM
I believe in the theory that people signing in to XBL with modchip and bigger HD already installed have no problems (yet).
I have a Xecuter 2.3b installed with 4983 BIOS. Harddrive is a Western Digital 160 GB model. On all partitions there a 'foreign' files. EvoX is launched from the C: partition.
I do NOT have French Halo2 saved games
I did NOT play Halo2 French leaked version
I do play Halo2 from harddrive and have saved games of the game on the HD
I build in my modchip and harddrive and AFTER installation I signed on to XBL
After signing on to XBL I never changed my hardware
Post by: TasteyMaggot on November 10, 2004, 11:49:00 AM
Well, I got banned yesterday, along with 1/2 the world apparently. I have a 1.6 box, just got it modded two months ago (long after I signed up for Live) with a 120 gig HDD and cheap mod w/switch. Everything was running great until I got banned (I agree with the intelligent ppl here... looks like it's because I changed HDD after I'd been into XBL). So... here's my question. If I get a new 1.6 EEPROM, is there anyway it will work? Becuase it's from an xbox that comes with Live capability, has M$ already bound it's serial to a different HDD? If not, could I put in just my 120 gig HDD and have it work? Or would they check my GT (cuz I have 8 months left... I'm not buying a new one) and say "Hell no... wrong size?" If so, I can use my stock HDD, and then just swap the two whenever I want to go online or offline, until I can figure out how to get a switch set up for the HDDs. Would that work?
Yea... so this just boils down to this... am I screwed or can I still fix it?
Post by: Syphon Filter on November 10, 2004, 03:26:00 PM
I have an xbox with an xecuter 2 lite and a 120gig Maxtor. It has been on live with the 120gig in it. Never been banned before.
Am I safe to go online like this (with the chip off of course)?
Or is the only solution to go and get anew xbox and do an account recovery on my GT?
Post by: Syphon Filter on November 11, 2004, 11:07:00 AM
This morning (around 8am GMT) I signed my xbox into live. This is with a modded xbox which has:
Xecuter 2 (turned off of course) and a 120gig maxtor which has standard MS files on the C:\ and the E:\. The F:\ is full of stuff but with the chip off that should be unreachable anyway. It signed in fine. So I turned the box off and left for work.
Just got home from work this minute (18.30 GMT). And have successfully signed back into Live. Make of it what you will. I will keep updating as time goes on.
EDIT:
This is without having played Halo 2 and I am in the UK (if that helps anyone)
Post by: Stevis50 on November 11, 2004, 11:39:00 AM
I have the Xenium Ice and a 1.5 box with a 200g Seagate HD.
I haven't been on Live since Ninja Gaiden came out (even left my wireless unplugged), and I did my chip and my hard drive about 2 weeks ago. Last night was the first time I connected since then, I booted throught the retail bios. They made me download the update and I was on for about 10 minutes then turned the console off.
Just tried to get on now, and I get the modified xbox error.
*shrugs* looks like I'm gonna have to get a virgin off ebay.
Post by: blueinfinity on November 11, 2004, 12:50:00 PM
Post by: blueinfinity on November 11, 2004, 01:39:00 PM
Post by: smokeingit on November 11, 2004, 01:58:00 PM
| QUOTE (blueinfinity @ Nov 11 2004, 02:42 PM) |
| ys but if tech support was bright enouhg to know the iner workings of banning then they probably wouldnt reveal it. i say we kid nap the xbox CEO and ask him |
he wouldnt know shit either.
Post by: Mr_M000_Cow on November 11, 2004, 02:13:00 PM
Post by: LeadHead on November 11, 2004, 02:15:00 PM
hope it works for you too!
Post by: LeadHead on November 11, 2004, 02:16:00 PM
Post by: dzv on November 11, 2004, 07:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (LeadHead @ Nov 12 2004, 09:18 AM) |
| LISTEN UP THIS IS NOT A THEORY, IT WORKED! I was banned from xbl when i got halo2, i worked out how to get it back. (at least this worked for me) what you need: -copy of slayers 2.6 -an unbanned eeprom Make sure you have an unbaned eeprom in your xbox, make sure, or else this %100 wont work. Slip in your slayers disk, and go into "APPS/UPGRADES/LOCK/FORMAT" under that go into "INST/UPG XBMC (P), M$DASH, APPS & EVOX +395" go to the one second from the bottom, which is named "Inst/Restore M$ Dash 185ead00 5960 on (C:)" execute this. What this does is that it wipes everythin on your C drive and rebuilds it from the old 185ead00 5960 dash thats stored on the disk. All your modded dashes will be gone, but mabey excess files in the C: drive is what HALO 2 is looking for THANKYOU SO MUCH SLAYER!!! hope it works for you too! |
If you changed your EEPROM, but not your HDD, you will probably be banned within a few days.
Post by: ydgmms on November 11, 2004, 07:45:00 PM
XBOX 1.0
XeniumICE.
iND-Bios now, was X2 4981 for a while.
I've always had the stealth install (everything non-stock on F:\), however indbios doesn't allow this 100%, it looks for the config file on C:\ (really should change that, whoever makes ind).
I bought it used in August. Went on live stock.
added chip. went on live a cpoule of days.
added a 250GB HD, went on live.
changed mobo/eeprom and to 160GB hd, went on live w/ the same account.
Didn't go on live much. Went on tuesday to check if I was banned after reading all this, was good.
Banned as of 10minutes ago.
I have a number of fresh HDs, but no fresh eeprom. If I can get an eeprom, I'll switch out HDs and eeprom and go on w/ same gamertag to check the flagging/banning of GamerTags. However, sicne I dont have any free trials, I can't test the all new gamertag.
If anyone can supply me with a new eeprom and/or free trial, I'll setup a new HD and eeprom and gamertag to help confirm/bust this theory.
PM me.
Post by: LeadHead on November 11, 2004, 08:51:00 PM
| QUOTE (dzv @ Nov 12 2004, 04:25 AM) |
| If you changed your EEPROM, but not your HDD, you will probably be banned within a few days. |
I've changed my eeprom about 5 times before, if a missmatch in changing an eeprom is the case, they would be right on top of me right now.
Post by: shank69xo on November 13, 2004, 01:17:00 PM
| QUOTE (LeadHead @ Nov 11 2004, 10:54 PM) |
| I've changed my eeprom about 5 times before, if a missmatch in changing an eeprom is the case, they would be right on top of me right now. |
leadhead-
Did you even read this thread? If you did, you would know that 90% of the people who just updated their EEPROM were BANNED again within 72 hours.
If this did infact work for you, fine. But this doesnt work for most people anymore.
I know from experience.
Post by: A.Z.BEST on November 13, 2004, 01:46:00 PM
. If I got banned I'll just buy a new Xbox . Or maybe not . Dunno .shank69xo: Mudvayne!! But "F**king determined" sucks a bit
.
Post by: syntaxx_error on November 13, 2004, 02:44:00 PM
..Why only Halo 2 which already caused grate damages for all of us whereas a global upgrade should have grater impact ? Is halo 2 a first test ? I think that all futur xbl games will come with this ban feature. MS is just waiting for halo2 ban statistics to launch the secound step
Post by: Stevis50 on November 13, 2004, 02:49:00 PM
Post by: shank69xo on November 13, 2004, 03:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (A.Z.BEST® @ Nov 13 2004, 03:49 PM) |
| Hm, my thread is still living . If I got banned I'll just buy a new Xbox . Or maybe not . Dunno . shank69xo: Mudvayne!! But "F**king determined" sucks a bit . |
Yes I am very disappointed in "F*#king Determined"
I hope the rest of their new stuff is better.
Post by: winnieandbuzz on November 14, 2004, 02:36:00 AM
A question to all of you: did you play the original Halo2 BEFORE you got banned?
I want to buy Halo2 and play it online. But I hear that you then are forced to update the MS dashboard. Just want to know for sure that I'll not be banned when buying/playing the original Halo2.
How can you tell which Live version you have on the Xbox?
Post by: shank69xo on November 14, 2004, 08:47:00 AM
| QUOTE (winnieandbuzz @ Nov 14 2004, 04:39 AM) |
| Somehow I am still not banned from XBL. A question to all of you: did you play the original Halo2 BEFORE you got banned? I want to buy Halo2 and play it online. But I hear that you then are forced to update the MS dashboard. Just want to know for sure that I'll not be banned when buying/playing the original Halo2. How can you tell which Live version you have on the Xbox? |
Not sure how to check the Live version on your XBOX.
But when you sign on, it automatically updates to the latest version.
And as far as I can tell, most people being banned with Halo2 have large HD's.
The only way I got around this problem was to update my EEPROM and use an completely stock HD, files and all. I just turn my chip off and install the retail HD. A big pain in the ass, but I get to play HALO2 online, so I aint complaining. I'm just gonna pick me up an ugly-ass Xtender case.
Got no choice.
Post by: Stevis50 on November 14, 2004, 12:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (winnieandbuzz @ Nov 14 2004, 11:39 AM) |
| Somehow I am still not banned from XBL. A question to all of you: did you play the original Halo2 BEFORE you got banned? I want to buy Halo2 and play it online. But I hear that you then are forced to update the MS dashboard. Just want to know for sure that I'll not be banned when buying/playing the original Halo2. How can you tell which Live version you have on the Xbox? |
I'm not sure on the version either.
But like I mentioned before, as soon as I signed onto XBL with Halo 2, it forced me to update, and the next step was to ban me.
So like someone else mentioned, it seems that it really is the game that's making all of us with larger hard drives get banned.
*Edited cause I can't type*
Post by: furious_one on November 14, 2004, 01:18:00 PM
Post by: JRShof on November 14, 2004, 01:36:00 PM
Post by: Team_X-tender on November 15, 2004, 12:03:00 AM
Post by: (>Stormy<) on November 15, 2004, 12:30:00 AM
Okay I have a version 1.0 xbox. An xecuter 2.0b modchip with the switch, using the bios that blocks live when activated. I have files all over the place but do not have a g drive. I am using a samsung spinpoint 120gig drive. I have been playing Halo2 on live for four days no problems. I went on live very rarely in the past, maybe the last time I played on live was in June. NOT BANNED.
ver: 1
mod: xecuter 2.0b
drive: 120gig non-stock
bios: liveblocked
game tested: halo2
length: 4 days and counting...
status: NOT BANNED
As for marriage theory, I got live before I modded. I did account recovery on the new drive (did not transfer with mem card). This occured over a year ago. Have not changed drives again since.
oh yeah and I haven't had the leaked version or any foreign saves.
Post by: andrusk on November 15, 2004, 01:25:00 AM
xbox= v1.0
modchip= xecuter 2.2lite
bios= 4977
dvd=samsung
hard drive= Maxtor 120GB, no unsigned files on c or e, boots from f
status= five days on halo 2, and still no ban.
Account recovery done because of hard drive transfer. Account recovery occured 1 month ago.
Ive been playing halo 2 on live since tuesday night and have yet to have a problem. I just make sure I turn the chip off and nothing has happened. From all the talk of people with big hard drives getting banned im suprised i havent been yet. Maybe it has something to do with having an old first edition xbox, or maybe its something else. I just know I wont be flashing anything or changing any other settings so long as live still works.
Post by: smokeingit on November 15, 2004, 05:14:00 AM
| QUOTE (RoboChicken @ Nov 15 2004, 01:30 AM) |
| Sorry if I missed something - this thread is too big to read all the way through. One of my customers has been playing on live with no problems. He's got an X2.3b Lite and the stock hard drive - xbox dash only He just turns the chip off and everything works fine. |
you missed alot... for some reason MOST people with large hard drives are getting baned and not the ones with stock.
Post by: A.Z.BEST on November 15, 2004, 05:22:00 AM
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Post by: Gumba on November 15, 2004, 07:48:00 AM
| QUOTE (chaos6401 @ Nov 15 2004, 04:41 PM) |
| im wondering if the name of the dashboard has something to do with it. I have evox installed and the original MS dash is named msxboxdash. Should it be named that or the original xboxdash? |
I think you get banned if your xboxdash isn't actually the MS dash.
Post by: mc_365 on November 15, 2004, 08:59:00 AM
Post by: mc_365 on November 15, 2004, 09:28:00 AM
| QUOTE (A.Z.BEST® @ Nov 15 2004, 02:25 PM) |
| Maybe it's because most ppl who have modded consoles also have changed the hdds? I personally know 5 persons who have modded their boxes and are playing on XBL. Only one of them has stock hdd . |
Very Good Point.
After modding with a chip the next step is usually upgrade HD.
So maybe the link between Large and HD and Banning is corelation and not causality.
Post by: GhostHavoc on November 15, 2004, 10:31:00 AM
My xbox specs:
250 GB HDD
Xecuter 2.3b Lite flashed with latest evox (Bank 1)and Xecuter BIOS (Bank 2)
There are roms and games in E: and C: drive but no french saved games (or whatever you call it)
I logged on to live for the first time after I modded my system in early 2003 however, I replaced my hard drive and eeprom six months later due to hard drive failure and I accidentally banned myself. Therefore, hard drive and eeprom no longer matched. I am not saying that the hard drive and eeprom marriage is false. I think the patch/update that allows M$ to record your hard drive and eeprom was only released recently (September 2004 I heard). So if you changed your HDD and EEPROM recently, chances are you will be banned. However if you have done the replacement prior to the release of patch, you are OK.
I bought HALO 2 last week. I have been playing HALO 2 on LIVE (chip off) for 5 days now using the 250 GB hard drive and still have not been banned. I have been playing my stored games as well. Maybe I am doing something that is preventing me from getting banned. I am not exactly sure.. but what I always do is, I connect my ethernet cable only when I am ready to play on LIVE and disconnect the cable afterward. Most of us are aware that some games attempt to connect to LIVE automatically. You will most likely to get banned if you were playing this game with chip on. So to ensure that games will not be able to connect to live, do not leave your ethernet cable connected to your xbox at all times and make sure the auto connect is disabled. Thank you
Post by: VegasRobb on April 20, 2005, 04:34:00 PM
Post by: bp193 on April 20, 2005, 05:16:00 PM
Now i'm looking to find a new eeprom.
Post by: mbratton on April 20, 2005, 06:30:00 PM
QUOTE(DanM602 @ Dec 18 2004, 05:16 AM)
could they be checking by the MAC addresses of the network card in the xbox? Like banning that?