Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 17, 2004, 10:31:00 AM
Star Wars Battlefront
and probably some more
Many, many ppl using those games has got banned. I think that M$ has learned something and even the newest X2 bioses don't help to prevent connecting to XBL servers. Disconnect the network cable from your console when playing the newest, backed up live titles and you'll not get banned.
It seems like these games connect automaticaly, without any user's permission. They can ask you to sign into the service and you can disagree, however they do connect to XBL and spy your console, if the plug is in.
It also seems like those games do automatical search for XBL while connecting to another Xbox thru System Link option. Why that? Because M$ knows that there are many ppl that use XBC/Xlink to emulate System Link and that they mostly use pirated games, playing on these. If the Xbox succesfully connects to the XBL servers, while trying to connect to another Xbox, it sends all the needed "ban data" to the server. Voila, so you get banned playing on XBC.
But these are only my stupid feelings about it
. Report if you haven't used any of the new XBL titles and you've got banned. It may be a clue, that my theory is mistaken or correct.EDIT:
I have written this post, cause i were sick of hearing about LPC/d0/HDD detection ;P. See that the problem has started right after the wave of those new games and search the reason here.
Post by: Maverick923 on October 17, 2004, 10:52:00 AM
Post by: Xbs1 on October 17, 2004, 10:52:00 AM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 17, 2004, 11:20:00 AM
So yes, your post is a proof that I'm right
.Deathline; give me a banned EEPROM (for v1.1 would be best), I'm using ICS and I would even like to try to monitor what does the Xbox do...
Post by: Orangey on October 17, 2004, 11:36:00 AM
Post by: GamezMan on October 17, 2004, 12:04:00 PM
I was banned twice in just over a week, and i did play battlefront maby both times on XBC\KAI before the bans....
So we need all ppl who were banned to say what games they played and ppl whith new eproms who haven't been banned need to post and say if they used any of those game on XBC\KAI
Post by: newbreed on October 17, 2004, 12:41:00 PM
Never played FIFA
Wouldnt this constitute as a illegal gathering of information?!?!?! Once you purchase the xbox, you OWN it. Granted we ride the "grey" area from time to time though...
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 17, 2004, 01:43:00 PM
There's only one of my friend who was playing Halo 2 on XBC and did not get banned. Hear now
. It's pretty interesting. He uses different network setting for the Xbox when connecting to the XBC and different for XBL. When he chooses right settings for XBC, he cannot connect to XBL (DNS stuff, i don't care now) and vice- versa. All the others got banned because they were using the same settings for XBL and XBC. You know why? Cause these new games try to connect to XBL servers while on try to connect to another Xbox (which may potentially be Xbox Connect).Bingo ;P. I hope
.
Post by: lordvader129 on October 17, 2004, 02:35:00 PM
| QUOTE (A.Z.BEST® @ Oct 17 2004, 02:46 PM) |
| Have you been playing those games (even offline) while the chip was on? There's only one of my friend who was playing Halo 2 on XBC and did not get banned. Hear now . It's pretty interesting. He uses different network setting for the Xbox when connecting to the XBC and different for XBL. When he chooses right settings for XBC, he cannot connect to XBL (DNS stuff, i don't care now) and vice- versa. All the others got banned because they were using the same settings for XBL and XBC. You know why? Cause these new games try to connect to XBL servers while on try to connect to another Xbox (which may potentially be Xbox Connect).Bingo ;P. I hope . |
well first off XBC and XBL are two ENTIRELY different services, using one cannot get you banned from the other
second, halo 2 is not out, anyone playin gon Live will surely be banned as they must have their modchip enabled to be playing their illegal backup
third, speaking of being banned any discussion of halo 2 results in an instant ban from these forums
Post by: TracerX on October 17, 2004, 03:04:00 PM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 17, 2004, 03:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (lordvader129 @ Oct 17 2004, 10:38 PM) |
| well first off XBC and XBL are two ENTIRELY different services, using one cannot get you banned from the other second, halo 2 is not out, anyone playin gon Live will surely be banned as they must have their modchip enabled to be playing their illegal backup third, speaking of being banned any discussion of halo 2 results in an instant ban from these forums |
I did not say that someone has been playing H2 or even tried to. And I know very well why it's not possible yet.
Sorry for the Halo 2. I've read all the sticked topics, but I didn't know that it's forbidden even at this range. Nothing more about it. NP.
And as you can see using the NEWEST XBL titles on XBC may cause a ban on Xbox Live. Maybe there's a problem with my english, if yes, try to read until you understand, or ask me again. I can ask someone better in english than myself to explain the topic.
I know exactly what's Xbox Connect and what's Xbox Live. I have Xbox Live and though I've never used XBC I know very well what it is.
Post by: GamezMan on October 17, 2004, 03:41:00 PM
I dont know why the admins are fussing about u talkina about H2, it NOT like ur saying u'v played it and telling ppl to download it !!!
So A.Z.BEST® ur explanation is sounding more posible all the time... if true XBC an XLINK will be no good at all for ppl who use XBL, UNLESS M$ is doing illigal things...
So ur confident that its nothing to do with the new eproms but same MAC address ???
And to clarify we are saying ppl who got banned played these game with chip on AND NIC Cable CONNECTED,,, and not just chip on without NIC Cable connedted ..... arnt we ????
Post by: CookieMonster2 on October 17, 2004, 03:41:00 PM
Recently played backups on hd of..... ( modchip on )
Fifa 2005
Burnout 3
Project Gotham Racing
Only originals i played on live with were.... ( modchip off )
Burnout 3
Project Gotham Racing
Hope this gets resolved soon !
Post by: GamezMan on October 17, 2004, 03:46:00 PM
So CookieMonster2, to be more clear was u just playing these offline ? was ur cable connected and ur modem on ??? so u wasn't playing these on Xbox connect or Xlink ???
Post by: CookieMonster2 on October 17, 2004, 04:13:00 PM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 17, 2004, 05:32:00 PM
| QUOTE (GamezMan @ Oct 17 2004, 11:44 PM) |
| A.Z.BEST® ur english "is fine.... just fine" (said in a Cartman voice)... I dont know why the admins are fussing about u talkina about H2, it NOT like ur saying u'v played it and telling ppl to download it !!! So A.Z.BEST® ur explanation is sounding more posible all the time... if true XBC an XLINK will be no good at all for ppl who use XBL, UNLESS M$ is doing illigal things... So ur confident that its nothing to do with the new eproms but same MAC address ??? And to clarify we are saying ppl who got banned played these game with chip on AND NIC Cable CONNECTED,,, and not just chip on without NIC Cable connedted ..... arnt we ???? |
Thx
. But I understand and respect that ppl have to pretend that they know nothing about H2 
. Ok, that's fine. I think that lordvader129 has read only my last post, not the main one. Just forget it.About the MAC Adress; it lies also in EEPROM and as soon as you change the EEPROM, MAC changes also. I'm not 100% sure about it, but just open Config Magic, MAC adress is ready to edit, so it must lay in EEPROM...
And yes, we clarify that ppl who got banned had NIC cable plugged in, chip turned on- but the game could be original, it doesn't matter as far as the chip is on... It seems that all the people who got banned few times in a row got at least one of those games and did as I said. All other things, like TSOP split, modchip on LPC, changed HDD don't seem to match, cause there were ppl with almost stock Xboxes and they got banned too. I'll repeat; You can even play offline in one of those games, but when the cable is connected (and connection is set correctly), you'll most probably get banned. Fable doesn't seem to ban consoles.
Anyone wanting to send me a banned eeprom for 1.1? I can test outgoing connections from my Xbox, to prove it (or deny
).
Post by: GamezMan on October 17, 2004, 06:36:00 PM
A.Z.BEST®
Hmm so it cant be the mac address, thanks for that info....
so someone gotta work out whats the real cause is, i wonder what xlink and xbc think !
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 17, 2004, 11:16:00 PM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 18, 2004, 05:30:00 AM
), so I'll be testing it as soon as I get needed program.
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 18, 2004, 06:15:00 AM
.Going to test right now. Stay tuned ;P. Hehehe
.
Post by: GamezMan on October 18, 2004, 07:30:00 AM
Post by: dzv on October 18, 2004, 09:53:00 AM
If this is indeed the case, then there are a few more questions I would like answered (by any of you who have experienced these recent bannings):
1. Do those of you that were banned have Auto Sign In disabled? It seems like these games are 'phoning home' even with Auto Sign In disabled.
2. Will these new games communicate with Xbox Live even if the XBL account is password protected? (do they communicate without even asking for the password?)
3. Will these new games communicate with Xbox Live even if there is no XBL account on the HDD (eg. if you keep your account on Mem Card and uplug it when not in use)?
4. If your Xbox is disconnected from the network when playing these new games with the chip on, do the games set a flag on your Xbox which will lead to a ban next time you connect to XBL?
I plan to do some testing of my own over the next few days, when I get some time.
Post by: TrailerUK on October 18, 2004, 10:08:00 AM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 18, 2004, 11:18:00 AM
| QUOTE (dzv @ Oct 18 2004, 05:56 PM) |
| OK, so it seems like we are seeing more and more new games that are 'spying' on our consoles and leading to bans. These games apparently connect to Live completely without user permission or intervention. Hopefully we can verify soon if this is true or not. If this is indeed the case, then there are a few more questions I would like answered (by any of you who have experienced these recent bannings): 1. Do those of you that were banned have Auto Sign In disabled? It seems like these games are 'phoning home' even with Auto Sign In disabled. 2. Will these new games communicate with Xbox Live even if the XBL account is password protected? (do they communicate without even asking for the password?) 3. Will these new games communicate with Xbox Live even if there is no XBL account on the HDD (eg. if you keep your account on Mem Card and uplug it when not in use)? 4. If your Xbox is disconnected from the network when playing these new games with the chip on, do the games set a flag on your Xbox which will lead to a ban next time you connect to XBL? I plan to do some testing of my own over the next few days, when I get some time. |
1. It seems that they do.
2. If the answer for the first question is right, so the answer for this one is yes, as well.
3. Very hard to say. Possibly yes.
4. Don't know- in my opinion no, they don't set any flag, but some other bans lead to change mind...
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Time for my research results:
I used some IP resolver and IP logger (only for outgoing connections). I am very confused, I can't make any straight, sure conclusion. There were MANY, MANY, MANy outgoing connections to very unfamiliar IPs. I switched off every program which might cause movement in my network, but there's nothing sure about it at all. BUT I have few adresses, that may be interresting:
207.46.246.6- Mr. William and his friends in Redmond (WA)
Yeah, it's the main XBL server. The box seeks for it at every first connection.
Don't know why, I've connected to IANA organisation few times (maybe I'm laming in this subject, so just leave it
). IANA is Internet Assigned Numbers Authority. Dunno what is it.Few connections to Korea, Netherlands and few other countries, but NO MORE connections to 207.46.246.6 or any other IP of this ISP. It might also be some spyware installed on my computer
.So I actually dunno what to say... Only that there has to be something in these games o_O. Maybe if I had a second pc, and one more xbox I could figure out some logical relationship between those IPs and Xbox connected to the internet.
If you are cleverer than me and you think you can find something here, try to do it the same way as I did. It may be very useful for all of us.
I was risking my EEPROM, and I'll probably get banned very soon, but I think I can find 80$ for another Xbox... Or simply don't sell the present one, when my Kasumi blue box arrives
.When you play this game once- it bans you. My friend who got banned 2 times in a row... got banned 3rd time. He flashed the EEPROM with NIC cable unplugged, turn the chip off and went on Live. He was playing for few hours, and the next day he got banned again. He didn't make to turn on the chip again when he got banned again. That's pretty sick. If M$ is not scanning the HDDs in search for game saves, it is scanning them at least for the serial number and bans the console again if the HDDs s/n matches to the last EEPROM. That's my new theory about recent bannings.
I also know one guy who hasn't played any of those games yet, he's using chip and blablabla. He has only Unreal Championship, Rainbow Six 3 and one more game. Anyway; he DID NOT get banned as almost all the other ones, who have used one of the "dangerous" games.
And especially for you, Artist: I know few ppl who are holding ALL their homebrew stuff on F partition and they've got banned. How about that? And games surely don't switch on your Xbox at night :/.
So... the one and only thing that everyone of us has got is actually the M$ dash.
Post by: decibel69 on October 18, 2004, 11:25:00 AM
Think that's a possibility?
Post by: TheArtist on October 18, 2004, 11:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (knodi @ Oct 18 2004, 01:26 PM) |
| I been banned even with out playing a game. I got banned 2days ago. So i bought a new eeprom and I was back on LIVE, then today morning I was banned again. But in that time I haven't played any games, I did was use the XBMC and Avalaunch. So it cant be the games I'm runing Xbit, 4981.06 X2 Bios. Xbox version 1.0 |
Finally someone else rational here. Thank You Knodi. HEY A.Z. THIS IS FOR YOU.....IT'S NOT THE GAMES FOR THE LAST TIME. We have ANOTHER PERSON HERE who has never played any of thes games but still gotten banned. Everyone should steer their investigating in another direction. IT'S NOT THE GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 18, 2004, 11:51:00 AM
Post by: CookieMonster2 on October 18, 2004, 04:29:00 PM
New eeprom
When connecting to live, didn't say i was banned, just " xbox live not found ".
Have done full format & only installed 2 games on hd, both of which i have original.
I'm not going to install any other games on hd for well over a week.
All previous saved games left off xbox.
Cable connected, but ports blocked on router for live.
Using v1.3 / Aladdin Advance flashed/ xecuter 2 4981
Using same gamertag.
First connect to live via project gotham 2 & downloadin' update for live as we speak.
Will keep u posted
Post by: knodi on October 18, 2004, 04:41:00 PM
I friend has the same modchip XBIT, and he just got a new 120gig harddrive yet he still hasn't been banned.
How are the detecting it? Its like only someone have been detected other are still no seen.
Post by: sakuraix on October 18, 2004, 05:32:00 PM
| QUOTE (CookieMonster2 @ Oct 18 2004, 03:32 PM) |
| Back on live again New eeprom When connecting to live, didn't say i was banned, just " xbox live not found ". Have done full format & only installed 2 games on hd, both of which i have original. I'm not going to install any other games on hd for well over a week. All previous saved games left off xbox. Cable connected, but ports blocked on router for live. Using v1.3 / Aladdin Advance flashed/ xecuter 2 4981 Using same gamertag. First connect to live via project gotham 2 & downloadin' update for live as we speak. Will keep u posted |
You will most likely be banned tomorrow, based on current trends.
Post by: CookieMonster2 on October 18, 2004, 05:36:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| You will most likely be banned tomorrow, based on current trends. |
Could be, but the only way of finding out for sure is testing !
Post by: dzv on October 18, 2004, 07:14:00 PM
A couple of questions to knodi, sakuraix, CookieMonster2, etc. who have been banned with a new EEPROM...
With the new EEPROM, are you actually getting the proper banned message, or just 'cannot connect' or 'Live not found' type messages?
Please post your XYZ codes, this may help to see what's going on.
Post by: knodi on October 18, 2004, 09:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (dzv @ Oct 19 2004, 03:17 AM) |
| Just to be absolutely clear... A couple of questions to knodi, sakuraix, CookieMonster2, etc. who have been banned with a new EEPROM... With the new EEPROM, are you actually getting the proper banned message, or just 'cannot connect' or 'Live not found' type messages? Please post your XYZ codes, this may help to see what's going on. |
Yes it was a proper banned message. I made sure of that. I all ready replace it with a new eeprom so I don't have the XYZ codes.
But with is new eeprom i'm going on 13hours and 42mins with out a bann yet.
Post by: Tsharkou on October 18, 2004, 09:54:00 PM
Post by: Tsharkou on October 18, 2004, 09:55:00 PM
Post by: Lord Magnus on October 18, 2004, 10:21:00 PM
The early release of this freched version game had them pissed off... and 2 words came to my mind: IP Loged
Most of the ppl playing live today is cable broadband users, and most of this ISP's will have you with the same IP for days, even weeks and some of them even uses static IP's, so, lets say, you went on xb connect and played whatever the game u ussualy play there. Since they're pissed off... you get banned the next time you connect to Live with your already loged IP address.
The game theory is complicated.. not saying it's not possible... but it's hard to conceive. Usually when that kind of thing happend was an xbox live update that turned on your auto sign in settings without letting you know.
I am going to go Live tonight after at least 1 and 1/2 months without playing ANYTHING on xbox Live... I'll keep you posted.
Edit: Just for the heck of it... I had xbox Live and modded box for 2 years now... and never, EVER been banned... so we'll see.
Post by: Mannequin on October 19, 2004, 04:27:00 AM
Post by: smack_blitz on October 19, 2004, 04:41:00 AM
Post by: A.Z.BEST on October 19, 2004, 09:48:00 AM
| QUOTE (tommyam @ Oct 19 2004, 06:30 AM) |
| why would you get banned for using a tunneling service? they are not illegal and can be used on non-modded xboxs with purchased games... they don't have any way of knowing if ou are playing backups or originals on those tunneling services anyways... IMO, it has nothing to do with tunneling services... |
You haven't understood it. Read the first post until you get it.
smack_blitz: The new title of this game simply killed me
. Hahahahaha.Still I don't know what so many users. But sure thing is, that people who had got banned, got banned again, and again, and again. Because the hardware was all the time the same. What I mean is the HDD serial number detection. It's almost sure for me. Why do I also deny HDD content detection and HDD brand? Cause I did not get banned yet and I will not get banned cause I'm very careful. My Y is 00A8-4800. But it still may be those games. Don't say that you did not get banned, cause you haven't played EA sports 2K5 series, the leaked game. Tell me what games did you play before getting banned. AFAIK: THUG2 is also one of those.. I will be checking the "calling home" again today and will report results.
ORRRRR... the MS spied XBConnect for a while and banned alle the people playing the leaked game
. But even I don't believe it .
Post by: smack_blitz on October 19, 2004, 10:22:00 PM
Post by: Rohaq on October 22, 2004, 08:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (smack_blitz @ Oct 20 2004, 06:25 AM) |
| maybe "Big Brother" intentionally leaked the french game to weed out the modders out there. If i was MS, and people started modding my machines, i'd be pissed to. |
I haven't downloaded the french game, and I still got banned
Post by: JimmyGoon on October 22, 2004, 08:45:00 PM
?
I'm a little confused.
Post by: miggidy on October 22, 2004, 11:26:00 PM
I know that Star Wars tries to connect as soon as you get the game started.
I had my ethernet cable plugged in when I booted Star Wars up for the 1st time and rushed and unplugged it as soon as the freakin game was tryin to connect online.
Now I thought I reached the plug in time but I will admit that I didn't even try to connect after that. I only tried connecting a few weeks after that, which was on the 19th of this week. Right after I installed my new X3.... I was shocked to see that I had been banned again....
I wouldn't be surprised if this is the way people are gettin banned as not everyone started getting banned on the 16th to present day.
I thought I saw some cats in here say that they were banned a few weeks ahead of everyone else....
Post by: xprimex on October 23, 2004, 12:26:00 AM
just gotta remember to turn your chip off.
thats the nice thing about Aladdin Live chips, the hacked bios are on the chip(thats what I have been told), and are turned on when you hold the power button.