Post by: Muntzster on March 06, 2004, 03:52:00 PM
Post by: XanTium on March 06, 2004, 03:55:00 PM
| QUOTE |
Team SmartXX is proud to present: The new secret Xbox-live detection code Xbox Live is now checking each Xbox to see if the hard drive has been replaced. If your hard drive is any different than the one it came with, you will be banned, even if your new hard drive is locked. This file is a disassembly of Xbox Live's security code as of today (March 6, 2004), and it shows that MS is directing Xboxes to send their hard drives' identification back to MS. |
You can get the disassembly code on http://www.smartxx.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=102. <
Post by: stevey5036 on March 06, 2004, 03:56:00 PM
Post by: lordvader129 on March 06, 2004, 03:56:00 PM
if it was files it would be no problem, keep shit on F or G
i guess now we need to hack drive firmware to transmit a false code <
Post by: fiqqq on March 06, 2004, 04:01:00 PM
(correct me if im wrong) <
Post by: randomidiot on March 06, 2004, 04:02:00 PM
/me waits for 1000 people to post "OMG I SHUT MY MODCHIP OFF AND I GOT BANNED FROM XBOX LIVE STILL!!!!" without seeing the news post. <
Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 04:03:00 PM
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Post by: X2Gamer on March 06, 2004, 04:03:00 PM
Post by: UberJim on March 06, 2004, 04:05:00 PM
Post by: HiRoll3r on March 06, 2004, 04:06:00 PM
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Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 04:06:00 PM
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Post by: fiqqq on March 06, 2004, 04:07:00 PM
do we even have a conformation that bannings are indeed taking place <
Post by: LiGhTfasT on March 06, 2004, 04:07:00 PM
oh well looks like xlink will be busy soon
i'm canceling my live subs cause live sucks balls anyway, xlink is just as good <
Post by: XanTium on March 06, 2004, 04:07:00 PM
Well, HDD-swtiches might become popular in the near future
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Post by: TMG8 on March 06, 2004, 04:07:00 PM
Post by: rbmerc on March 06, 2004, 02:56:00 PM
Post by: OCFlounder on March 06, 2004, 02:56:00 PM
Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 02:57:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on March 06, 2004, 02:58:00 PM
| QUOTE (fiqqq @ Mar 6 2004, 07:56 PM) |
| if this is a hoax, this would be the dumbest thing smartxx can do. do we even have a conformation that bannings are indeed taking place |
My question is.. how did SmartXX even discover this in the first place?
Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 02:59:00 PM
Post by: OCFlounder on March 06, 2004, 02:59:00 PM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Mar 7 2004, 12:58 AM) | ||
My question is.. how did SmartXX even discover this in the first place? |
Good question
Post by: shanafan on March 06, 2004, 03:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (The LukeMan @ Mar 6 2004, 07:59 PM) |
| something about finding it in a code i duno :S |
I have never heard such a broad suggestion before
Post by: randomidiot on March 06, 2004, 03:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (The LukeMan @ Mar 7 2004, 12:55 AM) |
| My original drives in my pc |
Mine too. Luckily I don't have Xbox Live.
Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 03:01:00 PM
Post by: pROvIs on March 06, 2004, 03:03:00 PM
Post by: pontfirebird73 on March 06, 2004, 03:03:00 PM
Post by: stevey5036 on March 06, 2004, 03:03:00 PM
Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 03:04:00 PM
Post by: OCFlounder on March 06, 2004, 03:05:00 PM
Post by: assmonkey on March 06, 2004, 03:06:00 PM
iam canceling my live account,ASAP
and when people start doing the same
M$ will lose
Post by: FLuKE11 on March 06, 2004, 03:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (assmonkey @ Mar 7 2004, 01:06 AM) |
| Bad move for M$ iam canceling my live account,ASAP and when people start doing the same M$ will lose |
I might have to too. But I did pay for a years worth just a few months ago, so I don't have to pay again until 9 months from now. So it won't really hurt MS all that much.
But fuck this is lame.
Post by: shanafan on March 06, 2004, 03:08:00 PM
| QUOTE (assmonkey @ Mar 6 2004, 08:06 PM) |
| Bad move for M$ iam canceling my live account,ASAP and when people start doing the same M$ will lose |
Yeah man, that's a smart move
This information really needs some foundation to it. How did they get this information? Etc.
Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 03:08:00 PM
| QUOTE (assmonkey @ Mar 7 2004, 01:06 AM) |
| iam canceling my live account,ASAP |
Dont cancel it !! just wait to see a way around it
Post by: TMG8 on March 06, 2004, 03:09:00 PM
Post by: randomidiot on March 06, 2004, 03:09:00 PM
Post by: player1 on March 06, 2004, 03:11:00 PM
Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 03:11:00 PM
Post by: MyStIc2004 on March 06, 2004, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: Heet on March 06, 2004, 03:12:00 PM
*Well, kept it anyways.
Post by: shanafan on March 06, 2004, 03:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (Muntzster @ Mar 6 2004, 08:10 PM) | ||
i thought if u cancel in the middle of the year after paying ur 50 u get credit back for the months u didnt get? |
LOL
Nope. That is how it works. You pay for a year, it's your choice whether you want to play on Live, don't play on Live, or cancel it. There is no credit for dropping out of the contract
Post by: player1 on March 06, 2004, 03:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Mar 7 2004, 01:08 AM) | ||
Yeah man, that's a smart move This information really needs some foundation to it. How did they get this information? Etc. |
Exactly , I take everything that comes from smartxx with a pinch of salt.
Post by: shanafan on March 06, 2004, 03:13:00 PM
Go cancel Live, switch to PS2, etc. all because of a few lines you read. Until there is some real concrete information about this, I won't be making any moves yet.
Post by: Signo on March 06, 2004, 03:13:00 PM
Post by: Heet on March 06, 2004, 03:14:00 PM
Post by: XanTium on March 06, 2004, 03:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Mar 7 2004, 02:08 AM) | ||
Yeah man, that's a smart move This information really needs some foundation to it. How did they get this information? Etc. |
How did they get this?
by analysing the checks xbox live does ... that's why they included the full disassembly code.
Post by: OCFlounder on March 06, 2004, 03:15:00 PM
| QUOTE (MyStIc2004 @ Mar 7 2004, 01:12 AM) |
| this is bullshit!! i was looking forward to playing splinter cell online now i cant because of this bad news |
The one and only reason I was holding onto my live account. Sometimes it pays to use the monthly service fee.
Post by: Trailer on March 06, 2004, 03:15:00 PM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Mar 7 2004, 01:08 AM) | ||
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Ye thats what i wanna know cus its not often M$ will leave these files lying around on a box. and its a Binary does this mean owt lol
Post by: TMG8 on March 06, 2004, 03:15:00 PM
Post by: Trailer on March 06, 2004, 03:17:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Team SmartXX is proud to present |
thats a nice way to put over a message that screws us.
Post by: shanafan on March 06, 2004, 03:17:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| How did they get this? by analysing the checks xbox live does ... that's why they included the full disassembly code. |
As someone said previously, pretty good timing for SmartXX to reveal this code when their new modchip comes out, which has some Live "sleath" in it.
I will not buy this information until a lot of people get banned.
Too ironic..
Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: Trailer on March 06, 2004, 03:19:00 PM
"Team SmartXX is proud to present"
Trailer
Post by: shanafan on March 06, 2004, 03:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (Muntzster @ Mar 6 2004, 08:17 PM) | ||||||
SUPER WEAK!! btw someone with an extra eeprom should try this |
That's not just MS.. that's a lot of things. Don't be a fool and blame MS for not refunding half a credit back.. that just isn't how it work in contract issues.
You pay apartment rent for March, and move out on March 15. You won't get half a credit back
Post by: HiRoll3r on March 06, 2004, 03:20:00 PM
Until I see conrete proof, I'm taking this with a grain of salt.
Post by: Muntzster on March 06, 2004, 03:20:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on March 06, 2004, 03:20:00 PM
| QUOTE (HiRoll3r @ Mar 6 2004, 08:20 PM) |
| Until I see conrete proof, I'm taking this with a grain of salt. |
Thank you!
Post by: Trailer on March 06, 2004, 03:22:00 PM
it has to be a con
Trailer
Post by: heinrich on March 06, 2004, 03:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (OCFlounder @ Mar 6 2004, 08:05 PM) |
| Maybe its a marketing ploy from smartxx? The stealth technology they advertise with their chip. Just a thought |
Maybe if they said their chip got around it... which they havent.
Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 03:22:00 PM
i was on it about 10 mins ago then i went off to play single player do you think its safe to go back on ! ??
Post by: shanafan on March 06, 2004, 03:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (Trailer @ Mar 6 2004, 08:22 PM) |
| right fuck it im logging on for about an hour or so, lets see what happens, btw i could be on ere tomora lookin for a new EEprom hope soem peeps have one. Trailer |
And what does a new EEPROM attempt to solve if this detection is true?
Post by: player1 on March 06, 2004, 03:23:00 PM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Mar 7 2004, 01:17 AM) | ||
As someone said previously, pretty good timing for SmartXX to reveal this code when their new modchip comes out, which has some Live "sleath" in it. I will not buy this information until a lot of people get banned. Too ironic.. |
Im in full agreement with you m8.
were still waiting for a reply with the names of those two games too .
Post by: Trailer on March 06, 2004, 03:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Mar 7 2004, 01:22 AM) | ||
And what does a new EEPROM attempt to solve if this detection is true? |
hmmm stumped me there lol
why you
!!!!!!!!!! ruin my plans why dont u!well actually i still got my old one still with the EEPROM on n all cnt i just shove that back in?
Trailer
Post by: shanafan on March 06, 2004, 03:24:00 PM
Post by: Muntzster on March 06, 2004, 03:25:00 PM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Mar 6 2004, 07:22 PM) | ||
And what does a new EEPROM attempt to solve if this detection is true? |
if he gets banned with the new HD he can switch his eeprom and put his old HD back in and he will be fine
Post by: TMG8 on March 06, 2004, 03:25:00 PM
Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 03:25:00 PM
Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 03:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (pc_happy345 @ Mar 7 2004, 01:26 AM) |
i have a ps2  |
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ON ABOUT DOES THIS POST HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH PS2 IN 1 TINY SHEENY WEENY BIT NO IT DAMN DOESNT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: shanafan on March 06, 2004, 03:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (Muntzster @ Mar 6 2004, 08:25 PM) | ||||
if he gets banned with the new HD he can switch his eeprom and put his old HD back in and he will be fine |
And he won't be able to use their upgraded HD unless they do a switch
Post by: Trailer on March 06, 2004, 03:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Mar 7 2004, 01:24 AM) |
| Can someone give me some insight on what a new EEPROM will solve will this? People keep saying it.. I think they aren't understanding this "detection" |
well cant u reformat ure drive n shit n put a new EEPROM (to boot to original dash) on it n reinstall everyhting n dont log on live at all then surely there is no detetction involved.
good old X-Link here i come lol
Trailer
Post by: OCFlounder on March 06, 2004, 03:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (heinrich @ Mar 7 2004, 01:22 AM) | ||
Maybe if they said their chip got around it... which they havent. |
Yet. It might be interesting to keep an eye on their forum for a while.
Post by: shanafan on March 06, 2004, 03:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (Trailer @ Mar 6 2004, 08:27 PM) | ||
well cant u reformat ure drive n shit n put a new EEPROM (to boot to original dash) on it n reinstall everyhting n dont log on live at all then surely there is no detetction involved. good old X-Link here i come lol Trailer |
Reformatting your drive doesn't change the model and serial number of it
Post by: heinrich on March 06, 2004, 03:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (OCFlounder @ Mar 6 2004, 08:29 PM) | ||||
Yet. It might be interesting to keep an eye on their forum for a while. |
I retract my statement.
From their forums just now:
| QUOTE |
| And we expect the next funny things soon. (buy a smartxx and you are on the secure side) SmartXX team will present a method for "preventing" this problem the next week(s). |
Post by: Trailer on March 06, 2004, 03:32:00 PM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Mar 7 2004, 01:29 AM) | ||||
Reformatting your drive doesn't change the model and serial number of it |
fine well dont reformat just dont log on live.
N e way guys
response by SmartXX admin:
| QUOTE |
| When SmartXX was designed, we sit together and thought for all possible methods MS can do. And this has nothing to do with the already detection issue. The Hdd detection was basically an old idea, we already had been confused, that MS not did it long time now. Proofs: Boys, look to Xbox-scene forums, you find i think 1000 people who had ben locked out of Xbox-live the last 10 days. Yes, this hdd detection code already active since days. And we expect the next funny things soon. (buy a smartxx and you are on the secure side) SmartXX team will present a method for "preventing" this problem the next week(s). hampti |
lets hope that last statement is true
Trailer
Post by: shanafan on March 06, 2004, 03:33:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Proofs: Boys, look to Xbox-scene forums, you find i think 1000 people who had ben locked out of Xbox-live the last 10 days. Yes, this hdd detection code already active since days. |
Coming from someone who visits this forum all the time, this is VERY untrue.
Posting lies about XS? Not cool..
Post by: pc_happy345 on March 06, 2004, 03:35:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on March 06, 2004, 03:35:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| And we expect the next funny things soon. (buy a smartxx and you are on the secure side) SmartXX team will present a method for "preventing" this problem the next week(s). |
Oh gawd..
This is making more sense now. This is beginning to turn into a marketing ploy..
Post by: randomidiot on March 06, 2004, 03:39:00 PM
Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 03:39:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on March 06, 2004, 03:40:00 PM
| QUOTE (randomidiot @ Mar 6 2004, 08:39 PM) |
| I am not suprised about the SmartXX people saying they'll have a solution.. |
Exactly. The ones who release the "code", have the fix.
How fitting
Post by: Trailer on March 06, 2004, 03:40:00 PM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Mar 7 2004, 01:35 AM) | ||
Oh gawd.. This is making more sense now. This is beginning to turn into a marketing ploy.. |
Exactly ure spot on there i reckon,
they release a solution soon
people think oo this smart xx know what there on about lets buy a smart xx to be super safe in the future.
Trailer
Post by: pc_happy345 on March 06, 2004, 03:42:00 PM
Post by: pROvIs on March 06, 2004, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: Muntzster on March 06, 2004, 03:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Mar 6 2004, 07:40 PM) | ||
Exactly. The ones who release the "code", have the fix. How fitting |
wow that would be horrible... how about that guy thats trying to get on (the lukeman) .. how did it go?
Post by: DaShiZNiT on March 06, 2004, 03:44:00 PM
I have a 200GB seagate
THIS IS A CROCK OF SHIT
Post by: zerodefect on March 06, 2004, 03:45:00 PM
Post by: Trailer on March 06, 2004, 03:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (Muntzster @ Mar 7 2004, 01:44 AM) | ||||
wow that would be horrible... how about that guy thats trying to get on (the lukeman) .. how did it go? |
me lukeman n 2 other british guys are online now in the same room its goin fine.
Trailer
hmm i can smell something......
smells like bullshit
Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 03:46:00 PM
Post by: DeAdGuY on March 06, 2004, 03:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (Signo @ Mar 6 2004, 08:13 PM) |
| If this is true i cant see what logical sense it would make for M$ to ban for a larger HD. They still get your sub money from your account. And you have to use retail games to play on live.If they banned us we would prob not renew our sub or have much reason to buy retail originals. This would make there online gaming market percentage drop. Which is one thing they like to brag about. Or you would have to buy a second box, making sales go up slightly, but not enough to make the box statistics look any better so i cant see what is to be gained by doing this. Any one have a thought on this. |
that is how i feel about this as well...why would MS shoot themselves in the foot...look at this community...i know ive gotten TONS of people to spend money to buy MS's console....and a lot of these people had no interest what so ever until i turned them onto the idea....and yes for some LIVE IS A SELLING POINT (disabling the mod chip)
the fact of the matter still remains...i play on live with my modded xbox and i still bought some games and i still bought a live subscription...it would just be stupid if MS were to ban people for actually BUYING their products (and also being salemen for them)
fuck it...i got another box if i need it....im signing on live and just sitting at the dash till i decide to play some r6 later...deadfukkr will be on live all night!!
and if this comes out to be a ploy from smartxx then there goes all my respect i would have had for them and their new chip...if this is true and people do start getting banned then then cheers for them.....but im not holding my breathe or taking any caution with this.....
as far as im concerned at the moment *shakes head* im not gonna freak out about it and i suggest no one else does...
Post by: OUberLord on March 06, 2004, 03:46:00 PM
It could be a impromptu suvey of sorts, maybe to check what kinds of xboxes are using live ie, if they have the drives found in 1.0, 1.1, and maybe using that information to see what group of xbox owners are using live the most. Im not sure why they would implement the check for this reason, but its a possibility nonetheless.C) Maybe an additional means to make sure that the Xbox is in fact and Xbox console and not an emulator ran on the PC. Now I know none of the emulators out right now are anywhere close to Live connectivity nor would there ever be any reason for them to support it, but it would be a safeguard against any future Xbox emus that try to aim for Live compatibility.
On a personal note, I got SB: LoC about a week and a half ago and have played it on average 3 hours every day since. I have had no problems accessing Live (Past a DNS server problem a few days back), so I know im not banned as of the time of this message. Of course, as previously suggested MS could just be gathering the information before they start banning users, but the main counterpoint to this is like I said in (A), such a move would only hurt them as they already have a bulletproof defense against modchippers going onto Live.
Basically, take a breath people. With the amount of info given, the way it was given, and only from one source, this info has about as much weight as the hundreds of other rumors that have turned out to be false. If you want to stay off of Live to err on the side of safety thats up to you, but if youve already been on Live like myself at least wait until more concrete evidence on this issue comes to light before you start ripping out harddrives and swapping eeproms.
Post by: TMG8 on March 06, 2004, 03:47:00 PM
Post by: zerodefect on March 06, 2004, 03:47:00 PM
Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 03:48:00 PM
Post by: cap269 on March 06, 2004, 03:49:00 PM
Post by: brienj on March 06, 2004, 03:50:00 PM
Then on their forums they post:
| QUOTE |
| Proofs: Boys, look to Xbox-scene forums, you find i think 1000 people who had ben locked out of Xbox-live the last 10 days. Yes, this hdd detection code already active since days. And we expect the next funny things soon. (buy a smartxx and you are on the secure side) SmartXX team will present a method for "preventing" this problem the next week(s). |
Isn't that convenient they have the "solution"? It's all a bunch of crap and hopefully it ruins their reputation and they don't make a dime selling their modchip.
It's a shame that they will perpetuate the notion that people are getting banned, even with the modchip turned off. They will simply use these idiots stories of getting banned to "prove" they are right.
That's my 2 cents.
Post by: heinrich on March 06, 2004, 03:51:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| wouldnt it be fairly easy to modify the kernal api that does the check to always return a valid serial number? the only way xbox live can get the serial number from the hdd would be to make an api call in kernal mode to get it. it wouldnt be able to directly access the hdd information. since we can modify the bios, we would be able to modify this check. |
Only you cant use that modified bios on live.
Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 03:52:00 PM
Post by: heinrich on March 06, 2004, 03:53:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| MS has ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to tell me that I can not use their online services (THAT I ALSO PAY FOR) because I upgrade my own hardware that I paid for with new hardware that also belongs exclusively to ME. |
Its in the TOC, read it again.
Post by: zerodefect on March 06, 2004, 03:55:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Only you cant use that modified bios on live. |
dammit. i was just getting ahead of myself and wasnt thinking about the big picture. always need someone to point me the obvious =)
Post by: pROvIs on March 06, 2004, 03:56:00 PM
Post by: cap269 on March 06, 2004, 03:56:00 PM
| QUOTE (heinrich @ Mar 6 2004, 07:53 PM) | ||
Its in the TOC, read it again. |
yeah, I know about this statement:
Xbox Live may only be accessed with an unmodified, except for MS authorized repairs and upgrades, Xbox video game console.
but I think they are strictly referring to chips. A bigger HD in an Xbox could be construed as a violation of this, but that is really WEAK
Post by: shanafan on March 06, 2004, 03:57:00 PM
Post by: cap269 on March 06, 2004, 03:59:00 PM
| QUOTE (_ionic_ @ Mar 6 2004, 07:55 PM) |
| cap269: well I am not commenting most of the crap from your post... |
Umm, please don't disrespect me and call my post "crap" ... I have not said anything disrepectful to anyone else. If you don't want to read my "crap" then don't .. flames are unnecessary. Thank you.
Post by: shanafan on March 06, 2004, 04:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (_ionic_ @ Mar 6 2004, 08:59 PM) |
| shanafan: the comparision is wrong. The houseowner is MS. |
That was my point..
Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 04:01:00 PM
Post by: cap269 on March 06, 2004, 04:01:00 PM
Post by: heinrich on March 06, 2004, 04:03:00 PM
Lets play this out:
You get on live with a 120 gig hard drive.
They ban you.
You call your lawyer, and even go to court.
MS's lawyer: "Was your xbox modified from its original condition"
You: "Yes"
MS's lawyer: "Was that a MS authorized upgrade/repair"
You: "No"
<MS's lawyer reads part 7 of the terms of use>
I dont your arguement ?
Post by: The LukeMan on March 06, 2004, 04:03:00 PM
and theres been no updates for xbox live making this code possible right
no new updates for liv for a while as i remember
Post by: OCFlounder on March 06, 2004, 04:04:00 PM
Post by: chase_317 on March 06, 2004, 09:14:00 PM
Post by: P-Child on March 06, 2004, 09:17:00 PM
Post by: pROvIs on March 06, 2004, 09:20:00 PM
| QUOTE (Cutriss @ Mar 6 2004, 11:04 PM) |
| The rash of people recently banned that was referred to is a largely unrelated manner. It's mostly been C2/0000 or C2/AFFF errors lately and people just screwing their network settings up. People are *saying* they're banned, but the facts don't actually show that. I think the important thing to look at is this - SmartXX claims to have a method in place to circumvent the ban. However, if MS has had this check in place for a long time, then they'll basically be ready to ban your Xbox at any given time. No SmartXX chip will save your ass, unless you buy it in a brand new box (or refurb, but I digress), or (in theory) switch EEPROMs after installing the chip. And somehow, I don't think there would be enough EEPROMs to go around for all the people needing to switch if the hammer does indeed fall. |
SmartXX never claimed to have a method complete only that they are working on one to stop this but even they were suprised at this move my MS and the shear complexity of fixing not only your hdds serial and model but its size as well. read smartxx and talk to the developers before making statements like that. It has only been assumed in these forums that they made such a claim.
Post by: pROvIs on March 06, 2004, 09:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (Psykomantis00 @ Mar 7 2004, 01:08 AM) |
| I think this is all propaganda for people to buy their chip. I actually and happy with my Ex 2.3 Pro and dont want a ShitXX chip. People that lie to sell shit piss me off. If I could connect to live I might try to get on it but I cant remimber which cable it is (I have 4 and only one is connected to the router the others are cross connects.) Ill try to figure it out later. But I doubt this is at all probable (yet possible) just a bunch of shit. Ill try it out a little later or just make a new cable or something in a min. The if I get banned (which isnt at all likely) would someone donate an extra EE-Prom or something. |
Well if they are lying they have support from a bunch of respected people in the scene. I dont think you realize yet that it is not so much in questions if MS is checking but [if] they are banning].
Post by: pROvIs on March 06, 2004, 09:25:00 PM
| QUOTE (P-Child @ Mar 7 2004, 01:14 AM) | ||
hmmm this is interesting, i couldnt get my router (dlink 604) to work with xbox live so i flashed it this morning before i powered up my xbox then the modified message came up, apparently this router is xbox live comp but its not working for me my xbox is setup for dhcp |
same thing happened to me a few days ago p-child. but im still not certain that i didnt acidently log in to live with a modded bios not realizing it because i was installing the chip the first time and it started to auto login to live through the ms dash.
Post by: pROvIs on March 06, 2004, 09:26:00 PM
| QUOTE (OUberLord @ Mar 7 2004, 01:25 AM) | ||
Cutriss wasnt out of line when he made that post. If the checks have been started to be collected in order to idenfity those to ban, no chip will save you if youve ben on live. |
not yet
Post by: assmonkey on March 06, 2004, 09:27:00 PM
finding more ways for banning ,just makes people not want to use it anyomore
the real point for canceling ,is to show M$ there real lost
Post by: cap269 on March 06, 2004, 09:28:00 PM
If you don't know what that means, it's in this thread http://forums.xbox-s...ST&f=53&t=14993
Post by: da_frog on March 06, 2004, 09:32:00 PM
#1. this info was released by a modchip producer not some kind of god like hacker
#2. its not in the xdk
#3.wouldnt they break some kind of law or something if they did this???
...of course like i said I could be wrong and If I am im gonna hunt bill down or hack the live servers or sumtin
Post by: heinrich on March 06, 2004, 09:35:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| this info was released by a modchip producer not some kind of god like hacker |
franz/hamtitampti isn't exactly a newb
Post by: C4TRMNTOR on March 06, 2004, 09:36:00 PM
Post by: arjkar on March 06, 2004, 09:43:00 PM
Post by: Telemachus on March 07, 2004, 02:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (stealthkk @ Mar 7 2004, 11:26 PM) |
| I dont think there would be a way to know the original hdd that came with your xbox. |
Rediculous. Every single dashboard, and linux, can tell you what kind of drive is in your Xbox. Mine tells me it is a maxtor, and gives the serial number. How many Xbox come from the factory with a Maxtor drive?
It would not be difficult at all.
Post by: blackbishop on March 07, 2004, 04:09:00 PM
Let the "real" hackers discuss this and people with brians.
Do not cancell your XBL Account yet. Just keep playing like you always do until 100 or peeps get banned at once. Then this will be verfied.
Post by: futbol4kee on March 07, 2004, 04:09:00 PM
smartxx is either trying to make a marketing ploy or their geniouses.
and also...
what is ms going to accompish if they ban people with upgraded hd's?
Post by: Fuzzy on March 07, 2004, 04:48:00 PM
| QUOTE (blackbishop @ Mar 7 2004, 08:09 PM) |
| Ok unless you know what you are talking about please dont post Let the "real" hackers discuss this and people with brians. Do not cancell your XBL Account yet. Just keep playing like you always do until 100 or peeps get banned at once. Then this will be verfied. |
Ok, Im sure you know what your talking about. You're "Brian" impresses me. I can see you have no grasp that sometimes, you don't know everything. Just because someone's "Brian" doesn't have as much knowledge in it as yours, doesn't mean you can tell them to shut up. I think you should stop posting.
Post by: blackbishop on March 07, 2004, 05:04:00 PM
| QUOTE (Fuzzy @ Mar 7 2004, 05:48 PM) | ||
Ok, Im sure you know what your talking about. You're "Brian" impresses me. I can see you have no grasp that sometimes, you don't know everything. Just because someone's "Brian" doesn't have as much knowledge in it as yours, doesn't mean you can tell them to shut up. I think you should stop posting. |
You miss understood,
If you have read all the posts alot of people have postsed some really stupid answers and idea's. I dont know all that much and That is why I only answer posts that I do know.
That was mainly geared toward the the kids on the scene that no nothing of the real world and how it works. Hence stupid post on this subject.
Post by: SigTom on March 07, 2004, 05:16:00 PM
So I guess the name of that movie isnt "Life of Brian" its "Life of Brains"?
Yeah I know bad joke, but lets just call down till we see what smartxx has to say. "Supposedly" we will know more in the next couple of days and Im sure nothing we do or say will change that teams mind. So just relax, I mean its already Monday again, reason enough to be upset. Lets not add more to the pile
Post by: CHRONOSTORM on March 07, 2004, 05:31:00 PM
DO NOT CANCEL LIVE
they are not banning and no one officialy posted this. just continue to check the scene and see if anyone with some common sence and knows how to turn there chip off posts. is it possible that m$ has a database of the original eeprom to reference to a remote eeprom to check for diferences?
theres a way to combine an eeprom with the bios and if we combined an old one would that work? does that work with the original bios and is it possible to detect where the eeprom is loaded from?
Post by: Twista on March 07, 2004, 06:27:00 PM
Post by: Heykrop on March 07, 2004, 06:36:00 PM
Post by: CHRONOSTORM on March 07, 2004, 06:43:00 PM
seriusly so tired of bs. why would they release this and not the 2 games??
Post by: Xbox-Savage on March 07, 2004, 06:45:00 PM
| QUOTE (Heykrop @ Mar 8 2004, 12:36 AM) |
| Just a quick one. I have not seen any mention of this as a possibility. How many of the supposedly "MOD OFF" banned boxes were using an X2 bios? Hear me out on this. What do most users of X2 bioses have on the drive that would be there and visible even with the chip off? x2_IGR_disabled on the E: partition. Could it be that these people were banned with chip off after that file was detected on the system. Just a thought. I'd like to hear if any of the banned units had completely stock C: and E: partitions with a larger drive. as well as any that were using other than X2 bioses. |
at last , someone with "brians" , he could be right or wrong , but still is possible that they were banned , i was onced banned with my chip off , i was using X2 Bios , but without the X2_IGR_dissabled file.
Post by: Xeero on March 07, 2004, 06:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (CHRONOSTORM @ Mar 7 2004, 10:31 PM) |
| and b4 the smartxx they did contribute to cromwell. |
You sure about that? I'm pretty sure Cromwell was made solely by Xbox-Linux. Are you thinking of OzXflash?
Post by: Xbox-Savage on March 07, 2004, 06:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (CHRONOSTORM @ Mar 8 2004, 12:43 AM) |
| why would they release this and not the 2 games?? |
yeah , thats what i want to know , where are the 2 games that they said.
Post by: Xeero on March 07, 2004, 06:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (Xbox-Savage @ Mar 7 2004, 11:45 PM) |
| i was onced banned with my chip off , i was using X2 Bios , but without the X2_IGR_dissabled file. |
Pffff...your problem was that you didn't have the IGR disable file? That wouldn't get you banned. Try again.
Post by: Xbox-Savage on March 07, 2004, 06:51:00 PM
| QUOTE (Xeero @ Mar 8 2004, 12:47 AM) | ||
Pffff...your problem was that you didn't have the IGR disable file? That wouldn't get you banned. Try again. |
i didnt say that i was banned for not using the IGR disable file. i was talking to another user that said that they might be scanning the HD for that file.
Post by: Heykrop on March 07, 2004, 07:00:00 PM
Post by: CHRONOSTORM on March 07, 2004, 07:02:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| the smartxx code does not use cromwell code. no joke in fact it is, that cromwell uses smartxx code, which was given as a gift to the xbox-linux team This code is not GPL and if you not belive, you should check the CVS logs of the last year of the Cromwell code. So smartxx code already public for several sections. btw: maybe we forgot to tell. As there are "mixtures" you all know, this happens. like a memcpy from here, or maybe a inb() or something. It's more the question of "does a single line make a code to release GPL if he came from GPL, but can not be coded different? As the SmartXX team is not willing to go into history as "we never gave the community anything back" we decided, and this is agreed , that Smartxx code gets public after the expected Live time of 1 year of the product. (except the sections of the code, which are bought products, like RSA libs and this kind of things. -we have to clean very carefully) Otherwise, things like SCO can happen. Also there is dynamically code exchange between some members of Xbox-linux, and we are proud to announce, that we will give again one video mode of the new upcomming Video-encoding chip to the public again, as happened with focus. Agreed, we never reacted to this issue, as we thought, this would be clear from beginning. Ok, learned something. sorry for this. hampti |
Post by: EvilRabidPenguin on March 07, 2004, 07:16:00 PM
http://forums.xbox-s...T&f=53&t=184598
Post by: tsantsa on March 07, 2004, 07:20:00 PM
Reasons: People who mod, will do so with or without Live service. They are paying customers since archive copy games CANNOT be played UNmodded or even LIVE. This means that a person has to at least RENT or OWN the very game they want to play Live.
It's not like modders don't have alternative onlinee choices! Let people mod AND pay for Live service. M$ really wins in both cases. I tell you that if the X was unmoddable, I would still have one. AND pay for LIVE. I am modded now and if they do checks for HDD differences, then I will cancel my service. Fuck em.
Post by: Telemachus on March 07, 2004, 07:51:00 PM
"xboxlive2.bin is the new HDD change-detecting code, whose disassembly was released by SmartXX."
What is meant by "NEW"?
The last update to the live dash was when 2.0 came out. The next update will be with Tsunami.
Doesn't that mean that ALL of us have been scanned already, and that going on Live now is a mute issue?
Or has there been a recent update that I missed?
Post by: Tommy Vercetti on March 07, 2004, 08:19:00 PM
Maybe some kind of recon to justify the reason they removed the hard drive from the next xbox console?? Maybe to see if a hard drive is REALLY a good idea or not?
Just an idea.
Post by: shanafan on March 07, 2004, 08:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (Tommy Vercetti @ Mar 8 2004, 01:19 AM) |
| IS it possible that maybe M$ is checking the hard drives on Xbox's to see how much space the average user has used?? Maybe some kind of recon to justify the reason they removed the hard drive from the next xbox console?? Maybe to see if a hard drive is REALLY a good idea or not? Just an idea. |
You know.. this does make sense. Maybe MS is seeing how many modded Xbox users there are out there, and whether they should, or shouldn't, place a HD in Xbox 2.
If there is a HD in Xbox 2, God knows it will be modded just enough as the current Xbox.
Post by: Tommy Vercetti on March 07, 2004, 09:14:00 PM
But I was thinking more along the lines of not just M$ looking at the modded xbox's but ALL Hard drives in gerneral to see how much space the average user is acutally using. If they see the average users uses a few gigs then maybe the change the design on Xbox2 and keep the hard drive.
If it falls down around a few hundred megs, then they stick with ditching it. Who knows. But I think this is the most logical reason for this kind of check. Just my 2 cents.
EDIT:: I see what your saying Shanafan, that could be another good reason as well. Lets just hope its both of these reasons and nothing else. We will eventually find out.
Post by: jaxxmanuk on March 07, 2004, 09:23:00 PM
Seem's to me the only losers would be M$.
Post by: Tommy Vercetti on March 07, 2004, 09:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (jaxxmanuk @ Mar 8 2004, 02:23 AM) |
| Whether they start banning or not the real question is................ Why would MS want to cripple a large percentage of its own income? lol You can't use your XBOX on Live with it Modded, so you have to BUY originals and you can't use Live without paying for it. If I was to get banned 2day I'd cancel that subscription and just not bother! Seem's to me the only losers would be M$. |
You couldnt be any more wrong dude.
First off, people with modded xbox's only make up a FRACTION of Xbox gamers and Live gamers.
M$ wouldnt be crippled on any sort of way.
And the only person that loses by cancelling your Live account is YOU. You lose the money you already invested in it. And you lose the money for the rest of the term you paid for. And like I said, we are only a fraction of the Xbox's out there.
And everyone just said screw and cancel it, then Live would never get better and improve. Its only been out for a year and its getting better and better. I personall like Live, its easy to use and is always loaded with gamers. I use XBC and sometimes its a major PITA!
The only losers is us. Not M$.
EDIT:: pwn3d page 33
Post by: SlaYer on March 07, 2004, 09:46:00 PM
It amazes me how people think that because M$ will loose a few modders from xbox live, they will actually care. What's a few tens of thousands in subscriptions to them? They care about fame and a PR program that shows how "dedicated" they are to "fair play" by not allowing modders to "spoil" their perfect service. An image they will undoubtably push when selling their M$ enabled appliances soon enough.
What about M$ making people buy retail consoles to play live? Does that not in fact increase their profit? --> Actually they lose over $100 for each console sold and they would rather sell games, not consoles, as contradictory as that may sound.
Is the HD code detection real? --> Honestly, it makes sense for them to do more and more to keep their image of perfection and "fair play" and keep collecting information. They check for mod chips, bioses, files, HD contents, etc... and ban you for any one of them, so why would they not check for HD info and possibly ban you?
Did SmartXX detect the problem only to fix it? --> Well, it is hard to say, particulary knowing M$ and possibly since the code seems to have been there for a while. However if they are smart enough to make use of it for PR purposes and did not invent the problem in the first place, then more power to them. Nothing wrong with fixing an existing problem and taking credit for the fix, regardless how old the problem is. If people recall, NitroXX, from the same engineers was one of the the first chips to be "stealth" and not allow detection even if "off" by masking the LPC bus signals. Ingenious indeed. (NO I DO NOT WORK OR SPEAK FOR THEM!
)What is interesting is that you cannot have a modchip/hacked bios active and use the Live service, so anything a modchip/bios can do to block things (much like the Xecuter does) is useless. It's like a catch 22: easy to fix if on, but cant be on to fix it. However, they might have found other means and honestly, I hope they did. I surely do not want to have to remove my 120GB HD once Halo2 comes out
My advice to everyone is not to jump to conclusions, wait till more testing is done and don't automatically assume that because someone has an idea about a fix they invented the problem or it's marketing bullshit. Give them the benefit of the doubt.
If you do not a few spare virgin EEPROMS
than maybe you should not take the plunge and go on Live for a while, otherwise by all means test it out, nothing to loose.I'm curiousely awaiting the verdict on this one too
All the best to you all!
Post by: {{DEMON}} on March 07, 2004, 10:24:00 PM
Just an update from page 30 or 31 from me..
I've been logged onto live for 12+ hrs, just idle... and i have a different HDD locked.. (took the chip out, see previosu post) I have yet to be banned.
I don't think they are banning based on HDD.. (yet..)
{DEMON}
Post by: Troed on March 07, 2004, 11:41:00 PM
It is indeed a bit ironic that he's speaking for SmartXX now.Post by: cap269 on March 07, 2004, 11:56:00 PM
From the X=S news page: "The reason I provided source code is so that it can easily be audited as being correct.
BTW, those looking for the XDK code that executes this: Look for places that call XcVerifyPKCS1Signature. Xbox Live games call it in two places, and one is the one you are looking for."
That function, XcVerifyPKCS1Signature, is part of what I was talking about in this thread yesterday with the XBL using the hard drive info with other variables to make a signature key for online game transactions using the PKCS1 algorithm.
The quote says that Xbox Live games call it in two places ... If this was NEW code, how could my Mechassault .xbe which was released in 2002 be calling this? This is a faux pas from SmartXX that PROVES that this is old code, and is NOT a criteria for banning a box.
Let's go snooping through the rest of the binaries and see how much scare we can cook up...
PS .. The Xbox-Linux source code also references this same function. Now, hmm, I didn't know there were XBL games written in Linux!?!
http://cvs.xbox-linu...ort.tbl?rev=1.2
Or this: http://cvs.hte.sf.ne...eimp.cc?rev=1.2 (Xbox Exports #344) Now how does this have anything to do with XBL?!
The point is, .xbe files are on ROM, and can't be modified. How then, is an XBE written in 2002 going to "predict" the ability to call this code 2 years later? ... this code has been there forever for key gen purposes.
Post by: cap269 on March 08, 2004, 12:30:00 AM
Post by: L!M!T on March 08, 2004, 01:15:00 AM
| QUOTE (cap269 @ Mar 8 2004, 10:30 AM) |
| Troed, what you say is true. But the name of the function quoted is XcVerifyPKCS1Signature. ... Verify Signature ... not something like "send spy data to MS" ... I reiterate it is used for creating/checking online gaming transaction signatures, not hardware identification. |
If I wanted to keep something away from prying eyes, reverse engineering or similar, I would definitely name my function to something highly irrational.
The first thing people look for when snooping around is obvious stuff, like strings that could refer to a function, messagebox or whatever, in plaintext.
I mean, would you have believed in this code snippet even more if it was named something like "XBLLiveHDDDetectionToBeUsedForBanningPeopleSoon" which had a subfunction named "GetHiddenHDDInformation"?
Since almost all XBL enabled games contains various routines that sends stuff to the XBL servers, I would not reject this as bogus, nor would I believe it blindly.
But since XBL downloadable content are subject to change and executed on your beloved Xbox, MS can, and most certainly will, change it, to protect their interests both within the XBL service as well as their interest in modded Xboxes.
Regards,
L!M!T
Post by: Kazaki on March 08, 2004, 01:44:00 AM
Post by: Kazaki on March 08, 2004, 01:47:00 AM
| QUOTE (jaxxmanuk @ Mar 8 2004, 07:23 AM) |
| Whether they start banning or not the real question is................ Why would MS want to cripple a large percentage of its own income? lol You can't use your XBOX on Live with it Modded, so you have to BUY originals and you can't use Live without paying for it. If I was to get banned 2day I'd cancel that subscription and just not bother! Seem's to me the only losers would be M$. |
See, this is way M$ is going to wait till AFTER everyone pays their annual fee.
Post by: xprezz on March 08, 2004, 02:05:00 AM
Post by: CUxtopher on March 08, 2004, 02:48:00 AM
but heres a good question while smartxx is out messeging, they seem to have time to answer one little question, on that has been left unanswered( at least in the first 30 pages of its post)
WTF is cyrpto stealth detection level 1???????????????????
yes theres another post, it needs to be cleaned out and restarted! dont miss this one SMARTXX~
Post by: kingal89 on March 08, 2004, 03:09:00 AM
Post by: smo on March 08, 2004, 03:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (oz_paulb @ Mar 8 2004, 05:59 AM) |
| I don't know anything about how Xbox-Live verifies whether/not you're running a modded Xbox, but my *guess* is that, sometime after 'connecting' to the Live service (each and every time you connect), a small binary file is downloaded/executed. |
I think you're right about this. However this rises a question: how was this code captured? Isn't all Live traffic encrypted anyway?
Post by: offie_ on March 08, 2004, 04:11:00 AM
offie
Post by: =METH= on March 08, 2004, 04:49:00 AM
Stop talking and keep playing!
Post by: Troll123 on March 08, 2004, 04:59:00 AM
Post by: _ionic_ on March 08, 2004, 05:02:00 AM
| QUOTE (Troll123 @ Mar 8 2004, 02:59 PM) |
| It's not a hoax, the code is real. But has been there for a long time. My guess is currently MS is using the information to inventory their systems. Those who think it is a hoax really don't understand assembly then. |
How often must be repeated that it is not there for a long time.
Post by: =METH= on March 08, 2004, 05:05:00 AM
Post by: MadEye on March 08, 2004, 05:26:00 AM
Forgot to mention, I have a Matrix (it didn't work well so soldered it yesterday to 1.1 Xbox) which 'Auto-Switches' Off (Open CD Tray while in Game = Off) when booting to MS-Dash (for Live), 120GB Maxtor and I wasn't banned from Live yesterday...
Post by: Heykrop on March 08, 2004, 05:44:00 AM
| QUOTE (cap269 @ Mar 8 2004, 05:30 AM) |
| Troed, what you say is true. But the name of the function quoted is XcVerifyPKCS1Signature. ... Verify Signature ... not something like "send spy data to MS" ... I reiterate it is used for creating/checking online gaming transaction signatures, not hardware identification. The hard drive info could certainly have been added recently, I suppose, but only for the purpose of augmenting the security on the signature keys. |
It really doesn't matter what the function is called as long as it's process is to run a specified chunk of code. That code could be anything that M$ designates. Especially if it is something that is getting dumped to your system at the time of connection with the Live Servers. Also as for the Verify Signature. Would it not need to be Verifying the Signature with a know "untampered" value. Which would most likely reside on their end on the servers? People seem to forget that just because something is one way doesn't mean it can't change.
2 examples.
Off topic example. Anyone that had a HueCarded Dish receiver a couple years ago will recall "BLACK SUNDAY" in which a large number of people that were using hacked cards for their receivers found out that they could be bulleted because some smart programmer figured a way to write data to a non writeable section of the HUE cards, rendering them non functional. Many people said that could never be done and IT WAS.
I seem to recall M$ once saying that the XBOX was impenitrable and would never be hacked. Well LOOK where we are now.
One other thing. I brought up the point, prior, that SMARTXX had stated that there were something like 1000 users posting on this forum that they had been banned in the last 10 days because of this NEW HDD scan. I ask. Where are these supposed 1000 posts? I did a few searches of the forum for banned users complaining and only came up with MAYBE 3 in the last 30 days that even remotely could be linked to this. The rest were of the typical "I accidentally connected with the MOD ON"
This seems to be a verry hot toppic but I have yet to see anyone, other than 1 post way back at the beginning of this thread, stating that they got banned becasue of this.
Post by: The LukeMan on March 08, 2004, 06:10:00 AM
then you wont get banned for having chip on !
Post by: RideBurton164 on March 08, 2004, 06:52:00 AM
Post by: The LukeMan on March 08, 2004, 07:01:00 AM
Post by: ti85man on March 08, 2004, 07:02:00 AM
SmartXX released this and said THEY would have a fix for it so buy a chip from THEM and you'll be secure.....
sure fine and dandy even if you believe it... but HOW THE HELL IS A MODCHIP GUNNA FIX THE PROBLEM WHEN YOU HAVE TO DISABLE THE CHIP TO GO ON LIVE!!!!
DUH!!! what a joke.... Guess I'll go pull that rabbit out of my ass now and submit it as news...
Post by: Tidusblitz111 on March 08, 2004, 07:03:00 AM
Post by: marksu on March 08, 2004, 07:04:00 AM
| QUOTE (MaJeSTiK @ Mar 8 2004, 04:58 PM) | ||
Wtf? i got a cheap mod LPC or something but can i install xcecuter bios on it? And you dont get banned? |
He ment that X2 4981 prevents a user accidently connecting to Live when having mod powered.
Post by: smo on March 08, 2004, 07:32:00 AM
| QUOTE (oz_paulb @ Mar 8 2004, 01:59 PM) |
| But, if it is encrypted, then the decryption code exists in the XBL game that's talking to Live. So, for someone familiar with reverse-engineering, it would be easy to track down the decrypt code and re-implement it as a standalone app on a PC (just as SmartXX have done with the signature verification code). |
I think the transport channel is probably encrypted using PKI with a private key generated on-the-fly in the Xbox. That would mean you'd have to have access to the Xbox's memory to get the private key to decrypt it. Although if the code is signed, you couldn't tamper with it and encryption wouldn't be necessary. If that's true, one could implement a man-in-the-middle attack to change the reply packet to show the details for the original hard drive. But I doubt MS would leave something like this open to attack...
Post by: ti85man on March 08, 2004, 07:40:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| When SmartXX was designed, we sit together and thought for all possible methods MS can do. And this has nothing to do with the already detection issue. The Hdd detection was basically an old idea, we already had been confused, that MS not did it long time now. Proofs: Boys, look to Xbox-scene forums, you find i think 1000 people who had ben locked out of Xbox-live the last 10 days. Yes, this hdd detection code already active since days. And we expect the next funny things soon. (buy a smartxx and you are on the secure side) SmartXX team will present a method for "preventing" this problem the next week(s). hampti |
Hmm.... right off the same topic in their message boards...
| QUOTE |
| (buy a smartxx and you are on the secure side) |
^sure looks like they said to buy a chip from them don't it????
EDIT: oh forgot... how do you propose with no mod function or shall I say booting from original bios, can you load something into memory on the xbox without getting control of the current pointer in memory which is only controlled by signed M$ code without a hacked bios? Sure I could be wrong, but its just seems retarded to think a modchip can fix an xbox live problem.... 11 dipshits... no just ONE......
Post by: kakelkund on March 08, 2004, 07:48:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| where in that do you see smartxx trying to sell you their chip? |
Here:
"(buy a smartxx and you are on the secure side)
SmartXX team will present a method for "preventing" this problem the next week(s)."
http://www.smartxx.c...4d830d5c6391c05
| QUOTE |
| where do they say ms is going to ban you? |
Here:
"Xbox Live is now checking each Xbox to see if the hard drive has been replaced. If your hard drive is any different than the one it came with, you will be banned, even if your new hard drive is locked."
Post by: NightL1fe on March 08, 2004, 07:52:00 AM
"oh well, cancel XBL and there's still XLINK and Xbox connect"
every since when did XLINK or XboxConnect support or hacked Xbox Live enabled games? there is surely x3 times the amount if not more of xbox live titles than 47 titles system link enabled titles
PSO online ?
World Class Pool?
Conflict Dersert Storm II?
Capcom vs SNK2?
Post by: Cookiesrus on March 08, 2004, 08:03:00 AM
Post by: Ces2k3 on March 08, 2004, 08:10:00 AM
Post by: heinrich on March 08, 2004, 08:41:00 AM
| QUOTE (ti85man @ Mar 8 2004, 12:02 PM) |
| I've read this whole thing and there's one thing that doesn't make sense to me. SmartXX released this and said THEY would have a fix for it so buy a chip from THEM and you'll be secure..... sure fine and dandy even if you believe it... but HOW THE HELL IS A MODCHIP GUNNA FIX THE PROBLEM WHEN YOU HAVE TO DISABLE THE CHIP TO GO ON LIVE!!!! DUH!!! what a joke.... Guess I'll go pull that rabbit out of my ass now and submit it as news... |
Did you read this whole thread before posting?
You can use a modbios on live, and someone can make a bios that only works on their chip.
Post by: heinrich on March 08, 2004, 08:46:00 AM
| QUOTE (offie_ @ Mar 8 2004, 09:11 AM) |
| ahh - your forgetting.. some bioses now have a built in FTP server (e.g. the latest XECUTER release) so you can go into it whilst on live (which would be mad, cause your just banning yourself deliberatly. offie |
huh ?
You cant use that bios on live, and the ftp server is *not* active during gameplay.
edit: oh, its not in the latest, there have been 3 versions of the x2 since then, none with an embedded xbe.
Post by: ti85man on March 08, 2004, 08:48:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Did you read this whole thread before posting? |
yes
| QUOTE |
| You can use a modbios on live |
not to question your authority...but isn't that one thing we know is checked by live, the bios hash? if you could run a modbios on live you could play backups on live... have I missed huge news or just not understanding you...
| QUOTE |
| and someone can make a bios that only works on their chip |
yes, understandable, but this goes back to the second quote....don't know how you can load a non original bios and get on live....
all I know is that I'll only believe it when I see everyone get banned...
Post by: heinrich on March 08, 2004, 08:55:00 AM
harrytasker, because if they release a modbios that allows you to run unsigned code, MS will come down hard on the modding community (IMO)
And what features besides that would be desired in a retail bios? Maybe the ability to boot with an unlocked drive. x2 style IGR would do no good because it would simply restart the game.
Post by: ti85man on March 08, 2004, 09:07:00 AM
don't know how I could have read it anyway with all that cool stuff happening in my life, I don't time for it... I mean I'm not pathetic and have no life, so why would I read it....
oh wait... I am pathetic and have no life.... of course I read it.... sure I was a bit tired during the novel but alas I have read it...
Post by: TMG8 on March 08, 2004, 09:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (P-Child @ Mar 7 2004, 01:14 AM) | ||
hmmm this is interesting, i couldnt get my router (dlink 604) to work with xbox live so i flashed it this morning before i powered up my xbox then the modified message came up, apparently this router is xbox live comp but its not working for me my xbox is setup for dhcp |
hmm thats weird i had the same problem in the past P-Child it could be dhcp addresses conflicting with others i use a sysLink router im sure if you try turn off everything then turn on your computer first which will take the main ip mask like mine does 192.168.1.100 then turn on your other systems computers etc. xbox mine takes 192.168.1.101 or 102 when the other xbox is on.
Some of these things could happen when you use evox or some other ip addressing program it messes things up i couldnt use my xbox on live for like 4 days one time
Post by: billy_dimashq on March 08, 2004, 10:30:00 AM
)My machine is modded with an X2 Lite (the first x2 type) with X2 4981.06 and its got a switch obviously. Got a 120gb samsung drive (sold my original drive to a computer shop)
I'm not planning on buying a new virgin xbox just for live (although I love Live to bits) unless I can get one really cheap (i.e. no pads etc) then I may consider it...
If i do get banned then I'll have to replace my eeprom with one of the countless ones from my workplace and wait and see.
Oh btw you lot reckon M$ will cotton on if I keep subscribing to live under a new eeprom every few months?
i'm not interested in getting a modified bios to work with live as I read about the hoo-haa that the action replay caused with Live (PGR2's supercar, anyone?) and I think it would really ruin the great secure setup they've got in place.
We'll have to see...
If worst comes to worst I could put a regular hdd in and lock it then sell it to someone who won't wanna go on live (linux user, no broadband, etc)
So I'll keep you lot posted as to my Xbox Live adventures....
Post by: Xbox-Savage on March 08, 2004, 10:32:00 AM
| QUOTE (Phantasm @ Mar 8 2004, 03:59 PM) |
| You know, I was going to buy a Smartx chip to replace my OpenXbox chip, but now because of this bullshit that they intentionaly stirred up I'm not going to. It is obvious what they are trying to do.... OMG!!! Live cane see your larger hard drive (please forget this is old news)... Oh, BTW...SmartXX team is proud to present our new chip which miraculesly hides your larger hard drive! SmartXX is a joke now. |
hmm no one cares , if M$ bans me for having i bigger HD then fuck them , i will cancel LIVE and play HALO 2 on Lan Parties , but im still going to get a SmartXX just for the ability to Flash the chip on LAN.
Post by: smo on March 08, 2004, 10:34:00 AM
| QUOTE (ti85man @ Mar 8 2004, 06:48 PM) |
| not to question your authority...but isn't that one thing we know is checked by live, the bios hash? if you could run a modbios on live you could play backups on live... have I missed huge news or just not understanding you... |
I believe you can get around the BIOS hash check in a modbios by replacing the memory containing the BIOS with a retail kernel image just before you launch a XBE. Of course, this would disable some things mod bioses currently support (large hdd support, etc). But it would be possible.
Post by: billy_dimashq on March 08, 2004, 10:39:00 AM
Post by: Fuzzy on March 08, 2004, 10:46:00 AM
| QUOTE (blackbishop @ Mar 7 2004, 09:04 PM) | ||||
You miss understood, If you have read all the posts alot of people have postsed some really stupid answers and idea's. I dont know all that much and That is why I only answer posts that I do know. That was mainly geared toward the the kids on the scene that no nothing of the real world and how it works. Hence stupid post on this subject. |
Im 14 and I know how to code, I know my xbox in and out, various pc/xbox mods. Are you implying kids are stupid?
Post by: blackbishop on March 08, 2004, 11:08:00 AM
| QUOTE (Fuzzy @ Mar 8 2004, 11:46 AM) | ||||||
Im 14 and I know how to code, I know my xbox in and out, various pc/xbox mods. Are you implying kids are stupid? |
Color me not impressed,
My 10 year old son can code and do alot more shit with his computer then I can ( IT Profenial) Also can mod ps2 like there was no tomorow.
Kid = Nieave
Post by: SigTom on March 08, 2004, 11:13:00 AM
Post by: gnostic on March 08, 2004, 11:14:00 AM
M$'s cash cow in my opinion is the internal HD. The ability to design my own apps for my box is a thing of beauty...being able to save 6,000 MP3's to my box is what dreams are made of...M$ knows that people like to Mod their systems...and unlike Sony M$ will embrace this (imho)
I just don't see M$ ever banning paying customers who added a Larger HD...what do they care? You already bought the system and voided your warranty...plus your paying for one of their services.
anyways...My personnel opinion is you wont see thousands of people getting banned.
-Nostic
Post by: pROvIs on March 08, 2004, 11:21:00 AM
| QUOTE (SigTom @ Mar 8 2004, 03:13 PM) |
| Whats an IT Profenial? |
IT Profenial: one in the Information Technology field who cannot spell and also has a kid who knows more about information technology than himself.
:-P
Post by: blackbishop on March 08, 2004, 11:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (pROvIs @ Mar 8 2004, 12:21 PM) | ||
IT Profenial: one in the Information Technology field who cannot spell and also has a kid who knows more about information technology than himself. :-P |
Yeah I'm no spelling bee champ
But does my son know more than me......no
But does he look at other ways of doing something......yeah
Post by: TMG8 on March 08, 2004, 11:51:00 AM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Mar 8 2004, 12:31 AM) | ||
You know.. this does make sense. Maybe MS is seeing how many modded Xbox users there are out there, and whether they should, or shouldn't, place a HD in Xbox 2. If there is a HD in Xbox 2, God knows it will be modded just enough as the current Xbox. |
yes this is what i was thinkin also if i didnt make it clear enough back in the couple first 5 pages of this thread.M$ could just be doing a search on who acctually uses the hard drive, and should it be put in the xbox 2? if they really think the xbox 2 will even amount to anything they should indeed put a hard drive in it maybe even use some other sort of saving method like a huge memory card where we are able to save all our music, movies, apps etc. they could very well be making the xbox 2 have most of the same things as hacked xboxs may already have just because its what the gamers like!
there are many posible outcomes to there information observing could even be "should we have xbox live work along with the xbox2? or should we not and just have it so you can swap your account over and not even be connected with the past hacking"
and about what Slayer posted
MS really wouldnt mind if they banned a few thousand people im sure if it were to all come down to keeping there services the hack free type of way everyone wants it to be and to be proud of that having people coming over to play on xbox live since its hack free would be the best thing to do.
people on all platforms are experiencing people hacking and there are thousands of complaints to follow as well MS surely has people complainging all day long.
ive played online with dreamcast and from viewing the messege boards at sega.com back in the day i remember people complainging about hackers all the time and the big deal is If they made it so there were no way to gain access to xbox live they could be the only company that has the zero tollerence policy to hacking which is sure to bring crowds of people over
if they can afford to lose money on console sellings im sure they can lose some on xbox live hacked xbox users of somewhat around the thousands maybe about 4000 or less im not even sure how many but its no big deal they gain more people every day.
"come join xbox live where you dont have to worry about hackers" Bill gates new promo
As to the xbox being able to run a modded bios online xbox live its probably very possible but yeah if someone were to realese that information MS would surely put an end to modchips completely!
Post by: jk009 on March 08, 2004, 12:07:00 PM
Post by: David-63 on March 08, 2004, 12:36:00 PM
well there isnt much i can say that hasnt already been said in these 37 pages...so but heres something original..... this sucks! lol ...but im sure we will find a way to prevail no matter what M$ does... Where theres a will theres a way..and there is plenty of modders out there who would spend many hours on anything M$ sends their way..
Post by: {{DEMON}} on March 08, 2004, 01:13:00 PM
Over 24 hrs now and my makeshift box is still on live...
No problems
{DEMON}
Post by: XanTium on March 08, 2004, 03:12:00 PM
Basicly SmartXX only tried to release information they got. They found out that MS recently added a HDD-check in their xbox live code. The HDD-check is there ... that's a fact.
They could have not told the public and possible see everyone get banned (if MS would ban all users with a non-original HD) - but they decided to tell it.
I think that's the only thing the SmartXX Team tried to do: give out the information they got as info to help all xbox live users with a larger HD.