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I have made a new pinned topic about Live 2.0

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?act...T&f=53&t=102347

I will leave this topic open, but now, unpinned. You can discuss exploits freely in this topic, but PLEASE do not make a topic. It will be moved elsewhere.

This post has been edited by shanafan: Sep 13 2003, 04:13 AM

Old posts that I had to put in this thread to make things neat

QUOTE (chasehg)

Well it installed....I went into Fever 2004...No problems so far....but I guess time will tell.

To tell ya the truth the new Live 2.0 is kinda stupid...

QUOTE (rahula)

I am playing ESPN NFL 2004 and no problem at all..

btw, i am playing with modded system with chip disabled switch. fyi
please no more banning....I don't wanna pay another $15 for new eeprom,,,,,

It pop up the screen saying you need to update do not turn off bla bla then downloading...after finish it give the new screen with voice chat,friend list, and exact same flipper type square design. Nothing wrong. Yes. Again, turn off your system completely, turn off chip, lock Hdd if you aren't using retail then turn on the system pay attention M$ logo load up then go on to LIVE. So far no problem.

QUOTE (tonblade)

Wow - best of luck to all of you that use Live! I'm actually deciding myself between using one drive or swapping drives between a retail one and a replacement one. I suppose the next week'll reveal whatever Live 2.0 has up its sleeves and which route'll be most prudent.

QUOTE (karishbhr)

Maybe itll be safe by tommorow for us non risk takers to go on

QUOTE (hoosier5x)

Bad new for all boxes using the 007/MA audio exploit. The new update prevents using the audio exploit. I have one friend with the MA audio exploit and one with the 007 exploit and neither can boot Evox now. Neither one of them is able to use the copy soundtrack feature anymore either. I don't know if it has been disabled for everyone or just those that used the exploit.

QUOTE (Fog Dogg)

i dont think they can do hd scan... doesnt say they will in the privacy statement

When you connect to Live right now, you will have to get the update. The update will happen and then you are introduced to your new dash

Your new options at this dash are:

Friends
Voice Chat
Account Management
Main Menu (Goes back to MS dash)

If you click on Main Menu, you go back to the typical MS dash. Now, new feature in settings! You have Network Settings (IP, DNS, etc.) and Auto Sign-In.

QUOTE (About Auto Sign-In)

I really do think you can not disable the auto log-in. When you go to the option in the dash, it says this:

"Automatically sign-in last used Xbox Live account where possible?"

If you select "no", your XBox will boot the MS dash (not the Live one) and you can go to the Live tab, select your account, and be pretty much INSTANTLY connected to Live.

I think this option is for people in a household with a Xbox that has more than one account.

I may be wrong of course.

Well so far I have this new dash on my unmodded Xbox. I am going to wait with my modded one for now.

This post has been edited by shanafan: Sep 11 2003, 05:30 PM

So if we load up with X2 bios, it will still load to EvoX, I assume.

If you select MSDASH from evox, does it try to load up XBOX live directly?

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QUOTE (Telemachus @ Sep 11 2003, 02:35 AM)

So if we load up with X2 bios, it will still load to EvoX, I assume.

If you select MSDASH from evox, does it try to load up XBOX live directly?

This I do not know. I am not going to update my modded Xbox with Live 2.0 just yet. In fact, I may not never.

With data corruption in NCAA and Madden using XBSM, I back up my saved dynasties using the MS dash.

Of course, I can always flash my Xbox with a banned EEPROM...

I will just make another post...

I need to sleep on this first, but I think I will hook up my stock XBox HD onto the Xbox, put EvolutionX on there etc., and then try out Xbox Live 2.0 on my modded Xbox. JUST IN CASE MS has implemented some horrible F drive scan or cleaning!

This post has been edited by shanafan: Sep 11 2003, 05:55 AM

If youve got non modded xbox and the phenix bios loader and a font hack running will running an original game and connection to xblive 2.0 work?

Possiblities; yes, no, ban?

Anyone try it yet?

OK so far I have made not eof the following;

1. Audio Exploit doesn't work anymore (for now anyways) this may be due to the change in dashboard (xboxdashdata.17e4cd00)

2. 007Save Exploit still does though

3. I have not yet tried my Chip as I have not installed it yet but give me an hour or so and will get back to you...

I doubt it as the audio hack doesn't work anymore

Just updated to xbox live 2.0 and so far no problems playing espn football or hockey. I have an xecuter lite w/ switch. i unplugged my ethernet cable just to be safe and booted evox and it worked as usual. I guess we will find out soon if we're going to get banned or not.

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QUOTE (Tsharkou @ Sep 11 2003, 09:16 AM)

OK so far I have made not eof the following;

1. Audio Exploit doesn't work anymore (for now anyways) this may be due to the change in dashboard (xboxdashdata.17e4cd00)

2. 007Save Exploit still does though

3. I have not yet tried my Chip as I have not installed it yet but give me an hour or so and will get back to you...

If the 007 hack still works, i don't see why the MA hack shouldn't.

Has anyone tested the FONT hack yet tho? Has this been broken aswell?

can someone please confirm

It appears that when using the audio hack when you try to press copy you get the message "unable to copy as you have reached the 100 soundtrack limit"

I will take a look at the font exploit as well. I have a few eeproms to spare!

For those who don't know, i'm the guy that released a dvd region free patch !
If anyone is interested in a update of the patch for the new dashboard, please send me the new xboxdash.xbe @ [email protected] !
BTW, what is the version (revision) of this new dashboard ? Still 4920 but rev.17e4cd00 ?

Sylver

yes 4920, Ill send it in a sec

i got that too but now its working and i dont have a chip

I'm in Japan, but again I haven't installed my chip yet...What chip do you have?

QUOTE (Tsharkou @ Sep 11 2003, 09:44 AM)

yes 4920, Ill send it in a sec

Thanks

Still nothing in my mailbox, but i'll wait

I'm sorry dude...as we speak I am modding 4 xbox and dealing with live so gemme a sec, I promise I'll get it to ya!

Oh and for the guys getting XBL not responding try looking at your XYZ

QUOTE (Tsharkou @ Sep 11 2003, 10:20 AM)

I'm sorry dude...as we speak I am modding 4 xbox and dealing with live so gemme a sec, I promise I'll get it to ya!

Oh and for the guys getting XBL not responding try looking at your XYZ

I'll wait, I'll wait

Tell me when it will be sended

mailed it sylver

well, been loading evox with the chip on, and xboxdash when the chip is off. No problems yet. Also turned off the auto sign on crap. I suggest everyone with the new dash update their bios as well, to not boot to xboxdash.xbe. Really doesn't metter if the auto sign-on is off, but u can never take too many precautions.

OK! for ME! Ernie & Bert, nor Big fonts worked....But again that was for me....

X2 Lite, with on/off switch

What I have done so far:

Updated new Live 2.0, Looks ok.

Still can use evox and live without being banned or problems, well for now, if anything changes i'll add it to the post.

I also disabled the auto sign on setting, found out the xbox doesn't really connect until you go into the XBOX LIVE TAB, since i disconnect my cable, and only when i went into that tab did it give me an error, saying I couldn't connect.

But when i put the cable back on it boots immediately to the new dashboard.

I suppose if you didn't want to take any chances when your mod is on, just dont go into the LIVE TAB, or just disconnect your cable, just incase you have lil kids that might accidentally go into the xbox live tab menu, hopefully MS is not upto something else.

Never Mind I just figured it out and it works...
I'm going to update the dash now and see what happens..

QUOTE (sylver77 @ Sep 11 2003, 12:06 PM)

Received

Thanks a lot

I'll check if i can update the dvd region free patch for this version

Just a thing ...
Can someone confirm that the dashboard is not region free ?
I'm asking that because i have problems to locate the corresponding code, so
1-they have completely change the code for region detection
2- there is no more region detection

So before continuing, i would like to be sure that i'm not trying to remove something that did not exist anymore

(sorry i can't test it on my xbox as i'm in europe, and here the new dashboard is not yet available)

It took me about 10-15 tries to get past "Xbox Live Not Responding" for the update on my unmodded Xbox. I assume Live is just really busy right now.

Im confused, is live 2.0 released?

EDIT: for the record, i get the same shit. it will sit there for forever without downloading and sometimes it will say it's not responding or whatever. they must be very busy... i've tried about 15 times now although i can still get into RTCW and play some games...

But if you run pheonix from the save game, can you open the DVD tray without it resetting?

At any rate, back to the topic...

Are XYZ codes still available with the new dash, guys?

QUOTE (hoosier5x @ Sep 11 2003, 04:58 PM)

Looks like you can still run Pheonix by just running the MA or 007 Run Linux game save. Instead, of using the audio exploit, just run the save that installed it and you should be okay.

did you try to copy the saved game from USB memcard to your xbox HD.

If the 007/MA saved game was already on your HD it's normal it's still working (MS can't block that with a dash upgrade - it's an exploit in the game).
They might have developed a system to stop you from copying hacked saved games to your HD though. Could you try that?
Thx

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

is there any laws stopping them from doing harddrive scan?
what about if all apps are on F drive cos they might not check it as it dosent (to normal users anyway) exist.

i remember when my xecuter chip went out of date with the dash problem, i dont want my x2 to become useless aswell!

ok got my Dash upgraded.. where's our channel chat feature with the public people i thought we was getting? so far you can only private chat with invited friends.. maybe this is only part 1 of the upgrade?

Anyways
THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE AUTO SIGN IN FEATURE

it can be diabled in settings.. they also added a network shortcut there now for us too..

Using Chameleon here gonna test to see if it works with the NEW DASH... with chip off

GL 2 ME

Has anyone tried any of the newer features? Voice Chat or anything? or is the network too bogged down for that??

i can wait to test it out( i have a extra eeprom for emergncy)

OK Harddrive backed up...

Updating as we speak...

Maybe someone just needs to CALL M$ and ask...

"errr.. will you ban me if I turn my mod chip off when I go online?"

Then get it in writing from them.

Here is my idea.

What if I kept the old dash on my Xbox? All I would need is the XBE and its XPR folder with its contents, like if you put a modified MS dash on your XBox. Hmm, thinking about it now, I bet I can still use GCUE's True Blue or Red hacked MS dash to manage my game saves without connecting to Live in the dash.

Yes, that will work

All Updated... Testing to see the Log on methods at the moment all the information towards the new XBOX Live Dash...

Seems to point to that as soon as your xbox is on it attempts to connect to Live! but thats only my suspicion so far... and the live dash no longer has the intro video its straght away onece u select xbox live tab its there... so the whole dashbaord must be Live Based... as soon as dash loads it logs onto to live...

Voice Chat: So far you have to INVITE them to chat... not yet known if they have to leave the game to speak to you mind....

GUI: Looking nice, better without Video... loading somtimes inbetween tabs mind

with a ghost recon styled circular loading bar in green...

Checking it out properly now

What is this worry with GAME SAVES? so if i play an import or something and save my stage or charecter on my xbox i am going to get screwed? is that it??

QUOTE (phunki @ Sep 11 2003, 12:42 PM)

What is this worry with GAME SAVES? so if i play an import or something and save my stage or charecter on my xbox i am going to get screwed? is that it??

No. People manage their game saves using the MS memory tab. I backup important game saves to my memory unit using it. I don't want to always have to access the MS memory tab with the modchip off.

XBSM corrupts NCAA and Madden saves.

QUOTE (bikr @ Sep 11 2003, 12:43 PM)

I don't use Xbox live at all.. Never have , i did however update my dash with unreal ages ago.. If I sign into Msdash is it automatically going to update me? even if I've never used live before? I am using font hacks and access msdash from evox menu. I need to know this ,for things like setting the clock out of a clock loop etc.. Please let me know , this could be a big problem --Bikr

Yes, Live will automatically update your dash even if you do not have a Live account.

Your exploit will not work anymore.

QUOTE

I don't use Xbox live at all.. Never have , i did however update my dash with unreal ages ago.. If I sign into Msdash is it automatically going to update me? even if I've never used live before? I am using font hacks and access msdash from evox menu. I need to know this ,for things like setting the clock out of a clock loop etc.. Please let me know , this could be a big problem --Bikr

You updated your dash without Live?? Unreal does this? I dont get it? how would i go about doing this?? Thanks

QUOTE (phunki @ Sep 11 2003, 12:48 PM)

QUOTE

I don't use Xbox live at all.. Never have , i did however update my dash with unreal ages ago.. If I sign into Msdash is it automatically going to update me? even if I've never used live before? I am using font hacks and access msdash from evox menu. I need to know this ,for things like setting the clock out of a clock loop etc.. Please let me know , this could be a big problem --Bikr

You updated your dash without Live?? Unreal does this? I dont get it? how would i go about doing this?? Thanks

All Xbox Live games can install Live on your Xbox.

From main page at Xbox-Scene

QUOTE

Update: looks like there's an option to turn off the auto sign on.

I really do think you can not disable the auto log-in. When you go to the option in the dash, it says this:

"Automatically sign-in last used Xbox Live account where possible?"

If you select "no", your XBox will boot the MS dash (not the Live one) and you can go to the Live tab, select your account, and be pretty much INSTANTLY connected to Live.

I think this option is for people in a household with a Xbox that has more than one account.

I may be wrong of course.

shanafan, So i have a v. 1.0 xbox with original dash.. no xbox live tab at all.. if i pop in a game that can use live it will update me to this new live 2.0 dash???? even tho i dont have a starter kit??

QUOTE (shanafan @ Sep 11 2003, 05:46 PM)

QUOTE (bikr @ Sep 11 2003, 12:43 PM)

I don't use Xbox live at all.. Never have , i did however update my dash with unreal ages ago.. If I sign into Msdash is it automatically going to update me? even if I've never used live before? I am using font hacks and access msdash from evox menu. I need to know this ,for things like setting the clock out of a clock loop etc.. Please let me know , this could be a big problem --Bikr

Yes, Live will automatically update your dash even if you do not have a Live account.

Your exploit will not work anymore.

Wow.. wait a minute. You are saying that even if you don't choose or don't WANT to choose the xboxlive option, that as soon as you turn on the BOX, it will log into M$ and update?

That's amazing! How can they do that without even giving you an option?

And Shanafan, I think you do have the solution. Just like the old krakendash method, we need to install an old xboxdash with a different name, and make sure that EVOX links to that one. Keep the new one with native name so that when chip is off, it loads.

MXM users need to be sure to not let the automenu give the new dash as an option.

QUOTE (chevrix @ Sep 11 2003, 12:57 PM)

Would I be able to use "voice chat" if I have NO live account?

Because I always could update the dashboard and connect to live
with NO live account (not playing on live of course

)

You can not use voice chat if you do not have an account.

Isnt there a way to password protect a dashboard...if you have EvoX dash..or MXM...or AVA...as your default dash when booting with modchip enabled?.....Rather than deleting XBOX DASH from my MXM settings...I would rather put a password on it so that it isnt launched accidently?

And also...is there a way to give XBL a specific IP...and the changing the IP settings within the FTP of what ever dash you are using...or the X2 BIOS...so that if you do launch XBOX DASH....and XBL 2.0 connects...it will use the IP assigned to it..rather than connecting when connected to FTP....shyt i may be confusin yall...i know what i wanna ask...but dunno how to ask it....if sum 1 understands.... lemme know whats up!!

SiLeNt

QUOTE (Telemachus @ Sep 11 2003, 12:57 PM)

QUOTE (shanafan @ Sep 11 2003, 05:46 PM)

QUOTE (bikr @ Sep 11 2003, 12:43 PM)

I don't use Xbox live at all.. Never have , i did however update my dash with unreal ages ago.. If I sign into Msdash is it automatically going to update me? even if I've never used live before? I am using font hacks and access msdash from evox menu. I need to know this ,for things like setting the clock out of a clock loop etc.. Please let me know , this could be a big problem --Bikr

Yes, Live will automatically update your dash even if you do not have a Live account.

Your exploit will not work anymore.

Wow.. wait a minute. You are saying that even if you don't choose or don't WANT to choose the xboxlive option, that as soon as you turn on the BOX, it will log into M$ and update?

That's amazing! How can they do that without even giving you an option?

Because when you select the Live tab on the old dash, you get the flashy Live intro screen, and then you are at the main Live screen with the three options. It connects to Live to get these options during that intro.

It will connect to Live, notice it needs to get the update, and boom.

QUOTE (SiLeNtKiLLa01 @ Sep 11 2003, 12:59 PM)

Isnt there a way to password protect a dashboard...if you have EvoX dash..or MXM...or AVA...as your default dash when booting with modchip enabled?.....Rather than deleting XBOX DASH from my MXM settings...I would rather put a password on it so that it isnt launched accidently?

Yes, MXM has password protection.

QUOTE (shanafan @ Sep 11 2003, 06:00 PM)

QUOTE (Telemachus @ Sep 11 2003, 12:57 PM)

QUOTE (shanafan @ Sep 11 2003, 05:46 PM)

QUOTE (bikr @ Sep 11 2003, 12:43 PM)

I don't use Xbox live at all.. Never have , i did however update my dash with unreal ages ago.. If I sign into Msdash is it automatically going to update me? even if I've never used live before? I am using font hacks and access msdash from evox menu. I need to know this ,for things like setting the clock out of a clock loop etc.. Please let me know , this could be a big problem --Bikr

Yes, Live will automatically update your dash even if you do not have a Live account.

Your exploit will not work anymore.

Wow.. wait a minute. You are saying that even if you don't choose or don't WANT to choose the xboxlive option, that as soon as you turn on the BOX, it will log into M$ and update?

That's amazing! How can they do that without even giving you an option?

Because when you select the Live tab on the old dash, you get the flashy Live intro screen, and then you are at the main Live screen with the three options. It connects to Live to get these options during that intro.

It will connect to Live, notice it needs to get the update, and boom.

But you still have to CHOOSE the XBOXLIVE feature from the dash to get the update, correct? There is no way the boxes could automatically know to go on and download the new dash.

Of course they couldn't. I think I just misunderstood something that was said.

QUOTE (phunki @ Sep 11 2003, 12:56 PM)

shanafan, So i have a v. 1.0 xbox with original dash.. no xbox live tab at all.. if i pop in a game that can use live it will update me to this new live 2.0 dash???? even tho i dont have a starter kit??

Yes.

The Starter Kit is what you need to create a Xbox Live account, because it has the unique key inside. And, Live game demos too.

I have 1 BIG question before I boot up xbox LIVE, and DL this......

I use the 007 audio hack, so to access evox/mxm...etc I put in an audio CD, and click copy. Will this still work after I get 2.0? If not.....what the hell am I supposed to do?

QUOTE

But you still have to CHOOSE the XBOXLIVE feature from the dash to get the update, correct? There is no way the boxes could automatically know to go on and download the new dash.

Of course they couldn't. I think I just misunderstood something that was said.

Heh, yup. No connection to the Web in the old dash, then it won't know there was an update. But, I think you figured that out for yourself

QUOTE (MrSelfDestruct @ Sep 11 2003, 06:05 PM)

I have 1 BIG question before I boot up xbox LIVE, and DL this......

I use the 007 audio hack, so to access evox/mxm...etc I put in an audio CD, and click copy. Will this still work after I get 2.0? If not.....what the hell am I supposed to do?

No. No. No.

Don't get it.

That simple.

For now, they have beat the no mod exploits, except for the gamesave exploits.

QUOTE (MrSelfDestruct @ Sep 11 2003, 01:05 PM)

I have 1 BIG question before I boot up xbox LIVE, and DL this......

I use the 007 audio hack, so to access evox/mxm...etc I put in an audio CD, and click copy. Will this still work after I get 2.0? If not.....what the hell am I supposed to do?

Exploits like yours are now stopped.

So, get a modchip!

QUOTE

so wait , this sounds like only when you hit the live tab.. what if you never select the live tab.. --Bikr

Then you won't get the Live 2.0 update...

QUOTE (shanafan @ Sep 11 2003, 06:08 PM)

Exploits like yours are now stopped.

So, get a modchip!

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

the whole reason i got into the modding scene is because, it had reached the point where I no longer have to open up your xbox and solder shit. sonofabitch.....

So far...

XBOX LIVE DOES AUTOMATICALLY CONNECT UNLESS YOU SET IT TO! WHICH IS AUTOMATIC ONCE INSTALLED BE CAREFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Evolution X - BOOTED OK!
Backup - BOOTED OK!

New live dash is great except for people using backups... well... let's say just turn off your auto sign in and you will be FINE!

Otherwise XBOX Live! Connects automatically catching you out andbein BANNED EASIER!

NOTE: NEW DASH REVISION

D: 1.00 5659.01

I ALSO CONNNECTED WENT TO NETWORK SETTINGS WITH CHIP ENABLED WHILE PLUG WAS IN!
AS FAR AS I KNOW FROM WHAT HAPPPENED AS SOON AS I HIT THE NETWORK SETTINGS IN THE XBOX DASH IT IMMEDIATLY CRASHED MY XBOX....

That's all folks

QUOTE (MrSelfDestruct @ Sep 11 2003, 06:10 PM)

QUOTE (shanafan @ Sep 11 2003, 06:08 PM)

Exploits like yours are now stopped.

So, get a modchip!

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

the whole reason i got into the modding scene is because, it had reached the point where I no longer have to open up your xbox and solder shit. sonofabitch.....

Sounds like M$ rocked your world, then.

Ironic that they choose Sept. 11th to tear down the two main exploits, eh?

I always suspected M$ had Middle Eastern roots...

QUOTE (XB0X_Mod @ Sep 11 2003, 06:11 PM)

Ok

So far...

XBOX LIVE DOES AUTOMATICALLY CONNECT UNLESS YOU SET IT TO! WHICH IS AUTOMATIC ONCE INSTALLED BE CAREFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I ALSO CONNNECTED WENT TO NETWORK SETTINGS WITH CHIP ENABLED WHILE PLUG WAS IN!
AS FAR AS I KNOW FROM WHAT HAPPPENED AS SOON AS I HIT THE NETWORK SETTINGS IN THE XBOX DASH IT IMMEDIATLY CRASHED MY XBOX....

That's all folks

You mean to say that it DOES automatically connect unless you set it NOT to, right?

And are you TRYING to get banned??

QUOTE (bikr @ Sep 11 2003, 06:16 PM)

so just for clarification , you have to click the "xbox live" link on the dash in order to get this , just loading up msdash won't do it automatically?

bikr,

This is what is being said.

If you leave your box how it is, it will stay how it is.

But the minute you CHOOSE to connect to XBLIVE (whether or not you have an XBL account, or even a starter kit for that matter), it will automatically d/l the new dash.

As part of the new dash, exploits no longer work. Although it appears that modchips/gamesaves still do, and modified bioses can access that new dash without problems...

However, the truely dastardly problem is this: With the new dash, as soon as you choose XBOXDASH from evox, it will automatically go online and log into live while you are at the dash, without giving you an option to log in or not. You MUST disable this option.

In essence, they have made it MUCH easier for someone with a modified bios to get banned, since just the action of going into MSdash may ban your EEPROM, even if you don't have an XBL account.

So far, it appears a must that you remove/password all links to the MSDASH from your modified setup, or that you remove the network cable.

ok nice , I don't plan on touching the xbox live button ever , so i won't get the new dash and thus won't auto connect to live and thus my exploits will stay working , beautimus.. thanks guys! --Bikr

QUOTE (bikr @ Sep 11 2003, 06:27 PM)

ok nice , I don't plan on touching the xbox live button ever , so i won't get the new dash and thus won't auto connect to live and thus my exploits will stay working , beautimus.. thanks guys! --Bikr

And you most likely will not be able to play some new games that come out, because MS will most definitely automatically update your dash when you play/install them. They will not let those software exploits survive, their goal is to make it as difficult as possible so every average person can't do it. Most people don't want to (or aren't capable) of opening their Xbox so modchips aren't as big a deal.

QUOTE (shanafan @ Sep 11 2003, 07:25 AM)

Auto Sign-In can be disabled or enabled to "automatically sign-in last used Xbox Live account where possible?" Now, wait a sec. Does this mean, account (like if you have two, the last one used with be signed on) or, signing onto Live in general when Xbox is turned on. I honestly think its means....LAST ACCOUNT USED. Because if you turn this off, Live will still connect when you turn your Xbox on! Again, I think. Because, if you turn this feature off, the main MS dash will load on a reboot, and when you go into the Live tab, select your account, Live is VERY quickly accessed.

I think this means it will auto sign-in if the last used account has no password assigned to it. If you have setup a password I don't think it will sign you in. After-all isn't that why those uf us who assigned passwords did that in the first place? I did it so that if MS decides to charge for time my roomates couldnt log-in and charge me when they use my box.

Just my thoughts

QUOTE (MrSelfDestruct @ Sep 11 2003, 06:10 PM)

QUOTE (shanafan @ Sep 11 2003, 06:08 PM)

Exploits like yours are now stopped.

So, get a modchip!

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

the whole reason i got into the modding scene is because, it had reached the point where I no longer have to open up your xbox and solder shit. sonofabitch.....

I'm sure they'll find new ones

QUOTE (XB0X_Mod @ Sep 11 2003, 06:11 PM)

Ok

Removed ethernet cable to double check

So far...

XBOX LIVE DOES AUTOMATICALLY CONNECT UNLESS YOU SET IT TO! WHICH IS AUTOMATIC ONCE INSTALLED BE CAREFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Evolution X - BOOTED OK!
Backup - BOOTED OK!

New live dash is great except for people using backups... well... let's say just turn off your auto sign in and you will be FINE!

Otherwise XBOX Live! Connects automatically catching you out andbein BANNED EASIER!

NOTE: NEW DASH REVISION

D: 1.00 5659.01

I ALSO CONNNECTED WENT TO NETWORK SETTINGS WITH CHIP ENABLED WHILE PLUG WAS IN!
AS FAR AS I KNOW FROM WHAT HAPPPENED AS SOON AS I HIT THE NETWORK SETTINGS IN THE XBOX DASH IT IMMEDIATLY CRASHED MY XBOX....

That's all folks

We have the first Live 2.0 banned guy here i think...

QUOTE (Telemachus @ Sep 11 2003, 06:16 PM)

QUOTE (XB0X_Mod @ Sep 11 2003, 06:11 PM)

Ok

So far...

XBOX LIVE DOES AUTOMATICALLY CONNECT UNLESS YOU SET IT TO! WHICH IS AUTOMATIC ONCE INSTALLED BE CAREFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I ALSO CONNNECTED WENT TO NETWORK SETTINGS WITH CHIP ENABLED WHILE PLUG WAS IN!
AS FAR AS I KNOW FROM WHAT HAPPPENED AS SOON AS I HIT THE NETWORK SETTINGS IN THE XBOX DASH IT IMMEDIATLY CRASHED MY XBOX....

That's all folks

You mean to say that it DOES automatically connect unless you set it NOT to, right?

And are you TRYING to get banned??

Yes, as far as I have tested that is correct...

No, I'm just testing what you people want to hear and theres the info so enjoy it... and if i do get banned someone give me an eeprom

QUOTE

The next big question is what will we do with auto sign in games that will be coming out soon. How will we play them off our hard drives?

i guess u gonna have to play them the old fashion way,i never back up any live games unless there system link

For anyone who has a router that allows you to block MAC addresses from accessing the internet, do that. That's what I'm going to do. My Xbox won't be able to get outside of my local network. That way, I can continue to access it with ftp and for relax shares, but I shouldn't have to worry about this new dash coming down the pipe and screwing my software exploits up. I know MS might start forcing a dash update in new games, but I'm sure a quick scan of xbox-scene will alert me to which games are doing it. Hopefully by that time, new soft exploits will have been discovered.

i guess

QUOTE

New live dash is great except for people using backups... well... let's say just turn off your auto sign in and you will be FINE!

I think there are already some mis-conceptions about Auto Sign-In

As I already stated, when enabled, the last account used on Live will be loaded when you turn on your Xbox and you will go to the Live dash. If disabled, the normal MS dash will load when you turn your Xbox on. Then, you can select your Live account from the dash and Live will load instantly.

The setting for this mentions nothing about disabling the actual Live log-in.

Remember, even before Live 2.0 came out, you could still get banned by signing onto Live with the modchip on.

my question for games like capcom vs snk,rtcw,and all the live game before will it still auto sign u on? if so then i guess ill be using my retail games again instead of my backed up

QUOTE (Telemachus @ Sep 11 2003, 05:13 PM)

QUOTE (MrSelfDestruct @ Sep 11 2003, 06:10 PM)

QUOTE (shanafan @ Sep 11 2003, 06:08 PM)

Exploits like yours are now stopped.

So, get a modchip!

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

the whole reason i got into the modding scene is because, it had reached the point where I no longer have to open up your xbox and solder shit. sonofabitch.....

Sounds like M$ rocked your world, then.

Ironic that they choose Sept. 11th to tear down the two main exploits, eh?

I always suspected M$ had Middle Eastern roots...

I find that post to be in horrible taste. Not only is it loaded with crap (MS didn't ear anything down the exploits still work) but it's just in bad taste. So please take your garagefull of modchips that you can't sell and/or your bitterness that you sunk $50 into a mod chip elsewhere or at the very minimum, try and have a little class. I had a mod chip too. I didn't cry when they were made obsolete. I gave it away.

QUOTE (flea17 @ Sep 11 2003, 05:41 PM)

QUOTE (bikr @ Sep 11 2003, 06:27 PM)

ok nice , I don't plan on touching the xbox live button ever , so i won't get the new dash and thus won't auto connect to live and thus my exploits will stay working , beautimus.. thanks guys! --Bikr

And you most likely will not be able to play some new games that come out, because MS will most definitely automatically update your dash when you play/install them. They will not let those software exploits survive, their goal is to make it as difficult as possible so every average person can't do it. Most people don't want to (or aren't capable) of opening their Xbox so modchips aren't as big a deal.

Again efforts like that will be cracked within 15 minutes. Quit crying cuz you sunk $50 bucks into a modchip and deal with the fact that it's no longer the primary way of modding and some argue that it's obsolete. Stop trying to tell people and scare newbies into thinking their software exploit is dead. Any newbies having any questions can just look at this poster's date of sign-on and see he signed on to x-s for the first time in July. Same month the exploit was released. This is a bitter poster who wants to chant doom and gloom to the exploit because he sunk money into a mod chip perhaps days before it was worthless. I on the other hand was here before I was running evox. I was here with an enigma, an x-ecuter 1, a matrix, and now an exploit. So don't even try it.

The exploit is FINE. Itr's just dangerous to run Live on the same box as an exploit is installed. Sollution, use your 8 gig drive as your live drive. Buy a big drive and use that for your exploit. It's useless to mod a system with an 8 gig drive anyway. What's the point when all the fun comes from the bigger hard drive. To manage the hard drives, team x-ecuter is making a great case with many features one of which is a hard drive selection switch. So no, the software exploit has gone NOWHERE for anyone who wants to use it. In fact it was no wiser to run XBL on an exploited system (with the same hard drive) 2 weeks ago than it is today. So really, nothing has changed as far as the mod scene goes. It's "keep your eyes open" as it always has been.

QUOTE (Kleekoh @ Sep 11 2003, 05:53 PM)

The next big question is what will we do with auto sign in games that will be coming out soon. How will we play them off our hard drives?

Unplug your eithernet cable, change the access to the internet from your router (make the xbox i private) A lot of things can be done.

Here are some questions Ive got:

-Is it safe to go online with a X2.1 with switch (off)???

-Can I play games backups with live on them BUT NOT CONNECT to live (ie NHL2k4, I dont wanna play online)

-Should I wait a few days till this gets sorted?

QUOTE (sylver77 @ Sep 11 2003, 09:42 AM)

For those who don't know, i'm the guy that released a dvd region free patch !
If anyone is interested in a update of the patch for the new dashboard, please send me the new xboxdash.xbe @ [email protected] !
BTW, what is the version (revision) of this new dashboard ? Still 4920 but rev.17e4cd00 ?

Sylver

patch was actually released by xecuter (dvdx) but you're forgiven hehe

thanks for updating the patch to all the other dash versions tho - a gr8 help to the community - we kinda gaveup at 4034 due todvdx 2

QUOTE (AsTnBoMb @ Sep 11 2003, 06:57 PM)

QUOTE (flea17 @ Sep 11 2003, 06:41 PM)

QUOTE (bikr @ Sep 11 2003, 06:27 PM)

ok nice , I don't plan on touching the xbox live button ever , so i won't get the new dash and thus won't auto connect to live and thus my exploits will stay working , beautimus.. thanks guys! --Bikr

And you most likely will not be able to play some new games that come out, because MS will most definitely automatically update your dash when you play/install them. They will not let those software exploits survive, their goal is to make it as difficult as possible so every average person can't do it. Most people don't want to (or aren't capable) of opening their Xbox so modchips aren't as big a deal.

There are fixes for everything....cracks will be made.

Keep dreaming. MS can kill all the software exploits without even flexing their muscles. If the update is imbedded in the game or the game is simply coded to NOT run unless the Live 2.0 update is taken, there is no choice.

QUOTE (Saffaya @ Sep 11 2003, 08:21 PM)

When any of you guys will reply to the Progressive Scan question Damn It ?
7 pages already, asked two times, and no answers.
That's the only thing we VGA adapter users want to know.
Is it too much to ask ?

(unless I'm so tired as to have missed it. If then apologies and please direct me to it)

I've just updated mine and the answer is NO I'm afraid.

QUOTE

The game is simply coded to NOT run unless the Live 2.0 update is taken

This will never be done, unless the retail game updates the dash because not all people have access to a broadband connection.

QUOTE (enigmatl @ Sep 11 2003, 08:01 PM)

QUOTE (flea17 @ Sep 11 2003, 05:41 PM)

QUOTE (bikr @ Sep 11 2003, 06:27 PM)

ok nice , I don't plan on touching the xbox live button ever , so i won't get the new dash and thus won't auto connect to live and thus my exploits will stay working , beautimus.. thanks guys! --Bikr

And you most likely will not be able to play some new games that come out, because MS will most definitely automatically update your dash when you play/install them. They will not let those software exploits survive, their goal is to make it as difficult as possible so every average person can't do it. Most people don't want to (or aren't capable) of opening their Xbox so modchips aren't as big a deal.

Again efforts like that will be cracked within 15 minutes. Quit crying cuz you sunk $50 bucks into a modchip and deal with the fact that it's no longer the primary way of modding and some argue that it's obsolete. Stop trying to tell people and scare newbies into thinking their software exploit is dead. Any newbies having any questions can just look at this poster's date of sign-on and see he signed on to x-s for the first time in July. Same month the exploit was released. This is a bitter poster who wants to chant doom and gloom to the exploit because he sunk money into a mod chip perhaps days before it was worthless. I on the other hand was here before I was running evox. I was here with an enigma, an x-ecuter 1, a matrix, and now an exploit. So don't even try it.

The exploit is FINE. Itr's just dangerous to run Live on the same box as an exploit is installed. Sollution, use your 8 gig drive as your live drive. Buy a big drive and use that for your exploit. It's useless to mod a system with an 8 gig drive anyway. What's the point when all the fun comes from the bigger hard drive. To manage the hard drives, team x-ecuter is making a great case with many features one of which is a hard drive selection switch. So no, the software exploit has gone NOWHERE for anyone who wants to use it. In fact it was no wiser to run XBL on an exploited system (with the same hard drive) 2 weeks ago than it is today. So really, nothing has changed as far as the mod scene goes. It's "keep your eyes open" as it always has been.

I bought a mod chip because it's the better and a more flexible solution. And, I am well aware that console companies do not care about the hard core hacker that is determined to hack his Xbox. This will always happen. What they do want to do is make sure it is not EASY to mod your Xbox, ie the software hacks. This can cause everybody and their mother to hack their box, which has a huge impact on sales. As long as it is difficult, the losses are minimized. This is why these software hacks have been targeted, and will continue to be.

Who's crying about a mod chip?? WTF do I care about $50? I make $50 in 1/2 hour, or spend $100 at dinner on Friday night, I could care less. Just because you had to save your weekly allowance for 2 years to buy a mod chip, doesn't mean it hits the pocketbook of your average person. Buying a mod chip is chump change.

If you don't believe MS can force an install of Live 2.0 in future games, and make it uncrackable, you are in dreamland. They can easily make Live 2.0 a requirement in future games and there will be nothing that can be done about it. If MS wants to force you to have Live 2.0 on your box, you will.

Wow you're supper l33t because you open your mouth 300 times on a forum and been a member for a whole year!? Not everyone posts every time a random thought crosses their mind (not to mention having a job impacts that as well). Congratulations for being a super cool elite xbox hacker.

P.S. I was supplying games for Pentagram and Genesis when you were in diapers.

QUOTE (mamajo @ Sep 11 2003, 08:32 PM)

QUOTE

The game is simply coded to NOT run unless the Live 2.0 update is taken

This will never be done, unless the retail game updates the dash because not all people have access to a broadband connection.

That is precisely what we are talkign about. The retail game checks to see if you have Live 2.0, and will not run unless you have it. It updates it on the fly for you.

I dont really have a choice, eventually Im going to go on XBL correct, so theres no pointing in waiting a day or two... or is there?

QUOTE (Hitcher @ Sep 11 2003, 08:26 PM)

QUOTE (Saffaya @ Sep 11 2003, 08:21 PM)

When any of you guys will reply to the Progressive Scan question Damn It ?
7 pages already, asked two times, and no answers.
That's the only thing we VGA adapter users want to know.
Is it too much to ask ?

(unless I'm so tired as to have missed it. If then apologies and please direct me to it)

I've just updated mine and the answer is NO I'm afraid.

You have GOT to be joking

QUOTE

Look at the pinned topics, and please do not post bold-face lies. There have not been any bans yet.

Remember, a ban takes at least 24 hours. Wait a sec, why am I even educating you?

Garbage bin.

well the eeprom i tested it out on is NOW banned and its not even been 24 hrs

QUOTE (enigmatl @ Sep 11 2003, 08:06 PM)

QUOTE (Kleekoh @ Sep 11 2003, 05:53 PM)

The next big question is what will we do with auto sign in games that will be coming out soon. How will we play them off our hard drives?

Unplug your eithernet cable, change the access to the internet from your router (make the xbox i private) A lot of things can be done.

I think that few games will REQUIRE XBL to play (like PSO does), but they may very well require XBL V2.0 dash, and should have the option to install it for you.

If it is a game that requires you to log in, then you just use the originial disk. M$ has won on that front.

It's not going to be progressive scan by just downloading it. You will have to hex edit it. I don't have it yet so I'm no help, but I'm sure someone will do it soon.

QUOTE (flea17 @ Sep 11 2003, 07:23 PM)

QUOTE (AsTnBoMb @ Sep 11 2003, 06:57 PM)

QUOTE (flea17 @ Sep 11 2003, 06:41 PM)

QUOTE (bikr @ Sep 11 2003, 06:27 PM)

ok nice , I don't plan on touching the xbox live button ever , so i won't get the new dash and thus won't auto connect to live and thus my exploits will stay working , beautimus.. thanks guys! --Bikr

And you most likely will not be able to play some new games that come out, because MS will most definitely automatically update your dash when you play/install them. They will not let those software exploits survive, their goal is to make it as difficult as possible so every average person can't do it. Most people don't want to (or aren't capable) of opening their Xbox so modchips aren't as big a deal.

There are fixes for everything....cracks will be made.

Keep dreaming. MS can kill all the software exploits without even flexing their muscles. If the update is imbedded in the game or the game is simply coded to NOT run unless the Live 2.0 update is taken, there is no choice.

Keep dreaming of selling that crateful of modchips. Oh yea. Your right MS can stop the software mods without flexing a muscle. hell I could stop them. so I'm sure MS can. In fact they can stop them just as sure as they can stop the hardware mods. Just like they did with Live 1.0. Software/hardware it makes no difference but the price so whatever you're trying to sell on these forums about software exploits, people aren't buyin it so give up.

QUOTE (Ridley @ Sep 11 2003, 08:50 PM)

Will new games auto-update your Dash to 2.0? (I mean the games themselves).

Nobody knows that Ridley, but the chances are very high that yes, games will update your Xbox. They did it with the old update, and the 2.0 update is much more important to MS in terms of making $. They're almost trying to integrate Live in the dash, and you can bet they want to ensure everyone sees it.

QUOTE (tempchicken @ Sep 11 2003, 08:49 PM)

It's not going to be progressive scan by just downloading it. You will have to hex edit it. I don't have it yet so I'm no help, but I'm sure someone will do it soon.

Thats the whole point. We were hoping MS would have made it Progressive so that users with the mod-chip off can enjoy the new Live features by using a VGA box. If you hex-edit the file it will crash and refuse to boot obviously if the mod-chip is off, and it's not like you can enjoy the new live features, with the mod-chip turned on and a hex-edited dashboard

Stupid M$, why didn't they just add one simple feature that would have given me the ability to try out all the excellent new features

Old games only did it when you clicked on the Live tab within the game. Even then, I think they gave you an option to install or not to.

I think that new games will have the new dash on the disk, but I don't think they will update without your acceptance of the terms/condition/installation.

Most likely, they will give you the option to back out before it installs the new dash, but the game will probably not play until you do it.

It will involve some group work to get past that all, but it will happen... only time will tell, so it is of little value to speculate now.

The main question at hand now, is... are these pioneers of ours going to get banned who are trying all this with the mod off.

We are praying for you boys!

QUOTE (karishbhr @ Sep 11 2003, 07:40 PM)

I dont really have a choice, eventually Im going to go on XBL correct, so theres no pointing in waiting a day or two... or is there?

No. There is no point. You might as well get the watters tested. Live gets more valuable every day and if you even think you're gona get on, you may as well get your system so that you can use it modded and use it live. The best way to do that that works now and that works in EVERY instance of what MS can possibly do in the future is to have 2 hard drives. Your 8 gig for live, your big drive for for your modded setup. That's even more secure than an xbox with a mod chip and a single dual purpose drive.

I have the mechassault save on my xbox, i can delete it from mechassualt evox, I deleted everything from my HD that wasnt on it when i bought my xbox.

I had my dashboard back but when i went to get the live update for 2.0, it started to download after a few mins, the error 21 popped up, and now i cant get to my original dash, i still have mechassault save on my xbox so i can change things. I also have my full xbox backed up on my PC harddrive......

QUOTE (Tsharkou @ Sep 11 2003, 09:37 AM)

It appears that when using the audio hack when you try to press copy you get the message "unable to copy as you have reached the 100 soundtrack limit"

[/QUOTE]

I do not know if this is what it causes. if it is, i have dealt with this personally and fixed mine from doing that again,,,, i used a soundtrack editor and i deleted all soundtracks on my hard drive and then i used the 007 to get to evox , and ftp'd my phoenix like normal, works like normal now.

Once again i do not know if this is even a side effect from 2.0 as to i do not even know if i have 2.0 update yet. i am not messing with any of the xbox live stuff right now.

well just read this post on first page and thought i would say something about it.

Just to clear some things up.

Both of the bugs behind the Audio and Font exploits have been fixed in the new dashboard. Existing St.db and font file exploits will not work with the new dash, at all, ever. The process used to execute unsigned code in both of these exploits is not possible with the new dash, at all, ever.

Anyone who tells you otherwise is blatently wrong.

It is possible that there are other flaws in the font or soundtrack management code, and quite probable that there are similar flaws in other portions of the xbox system software.

Personally, I would be suprised if a new flaw were NOT found, within the next 3-4 months, at the most. Probably much sooner.

In the meantime....

the 007 and MA exploits still work just fine, so all is not lost for soft-modders.

Mechinstaller, from the xbox-linux team, uses the MA exploit to install the fonts exploit on your box. Interestingly, it also FORCES a specific version of the dash onto the xbox. This is an older version of the live dash for which Mechinstaller's font files are specifically targeted. It will even downgrade your xbox from the new dash to this dash, in order to ensure that the font files will work.

So, if you've managed to lose your softmod with the new Live, go grab yourself a copy of Mechassault (it's cheap, now, and it's a GREAT game), use the Mechinstaller to downgrade your dash, install the Mechinstaller fonts, and install Linux. (All of which is doen in a VERY easy automated process) From there, you can re-install your font or st.db of choice, flash the tsop, format your harddrive... whatever you want to do.

Dont worry, kids, Live2.0 is not the end of the scene, by a long shot.

--Artifex

what about us old skool users who still got old modchips like Xtender 1.0,enigmah,Xecuter 1.0

?

till now if i want to use xbox live i had to switch off with a switch and switch on and use evox on a cd i got all my stuff in F:

so are we safe to use it ?

QUOTE (enigmatl @ Sep 11 2003, 04:11 PM)

Emultors are more mature on the PC and with all that money you could afford a video card with a TV Out port that even the biggest xbox fan will admit produces better image quality.

And what is that supposed to mean anyway? That only "immature" people or kids play emulators on the Xbox?

As someone who's big into MAME cabinets, let me tell you that outputting a better quality picture isn't always desireable since it makes many (especially older) games actually look worse than they did originally. The original games were banking on low-res arcade or TV screens at the time and no amount of filters will make them look like the originals.

Also, I'll never understand you people who would prefer to buy another harddrive and switch them out every time you want to play a game on Live just because you're too cheap to get a modchip.

Anyway, back on topic

I make £9 an hour and it's fucking shit job but I do know if I earnt $100's an hour I wouldn't be on some forums on the internet I'd be in some lap dancing clubs or possibly in Amsterdam coffee shops. No one on these forums earn's $4000's a week and has time or inclination to spend reading and posting. Sad fuck Get a life.

Sorry about the rant but some people are Cretin's.

QUOTE (xbox forever @ Sep 12 2003, 05:20 AM)

Quote from: Tsharkou,Sep 11 2003, 09:37 AM

It appears that when using the audio hack when you try to press copy you get the message "unable to copy as you have reached the 100 soundtrack limit"

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: cdogthejedi on September 11, 2003, 12:53:00 PM

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: xbox forever on September 11, 2003, 12:57:00 PM

QUOTE (Tsharkou @ Sep 11 2003, 09:47 PM)

Quote from: xbox forever,Sep 12 2003, 05:20 AM

Quote from: Tsharkou,Sep 11 2003, 09:37 AM
It appears that when using the audio hack when you try to press copy you get the message "unable to copy as you have reached the 100 soundtrack limit"

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: AnThRaX on September 11, 2003, 06:55:00 PM

QUOTE (shanafan @ Sep 12 2003, 03:53 AM)

QUOTE (AnThRaX @ Sep 11 2003, 10:51 PM)

I guess it does take a log. Just make sure you have the old 1.0 backup of live then delete the WHOLE C: folder after youve downloaded 2.0 then replace it with your older 1.0 and wala, audio exploit still works and no update anymore.

Well you are switching your Xbox back to pre-Live 2.0 and it will of course work.

But, it doesn't give you an update anymore like most expected.
Shana I did this earlier and its been working since last night ive tried around 7 xbl games and no update

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: shanafan on September 11, 2003, 06:59:00 PM

QUOTE (AnThRaX @ Sep 11 2003, 10:55 PM)

QUOTE (shanafan @ Sep 12 2003, 03:53 AM)

QUOTE (AnThRaX @ Sep 11 2003, 10:51 PM)

I guess it does take a log. Just make sure you have the old 1.0 backup of live then delete the WHOLE C: folder after youve downloaded 2.0 then replace it with your older 1.0 and wala, audio exploit still works and no update anymore.

Well you are switching your Xbox back to pre-Live 2.0 and it will of course work.

But, it doesn't give you an update anymore like most expected.
Shana I did this earlier and its been working since last night ive tried around 7 xbl games and no update

Thats pretty interesting then...

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: AnThRaX on September 11, 2003, 07:03:00 PM

QUOTE (shanafan @ Sep 12 2003, 03:59 AM)

QUOTE (AnThRaX @ Sep 11 2003, 10:55 PM)

QUOTE (shanafan @ Sep 12 2003, 03:53 AM)

QUOTE (AnThRaX @ Sep 11 2003, 10:51 PM)

I guess it does take a log. Just make sure you have the old 1.0 backup of live then delete the WHOLE C: folder after youve downloaded 2.0 then replace it with your older 1.0 and wala, audio exploit still works and no update anymore.

Well you are switching your Xbox back to pre-Live 2.0 and it will of course work.

But, it doesn't give you an update anymore like most expected.
Shana I did this earlier and its been working since last night ive tried around 7 xbl games and no update

Thats pretty interesting then...

stupid shana
You SILLY gooooose

try it man, then you can bring back my old thread then ill have a pinned topic and everyone will think im a genious even if im a retard

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Tsharkou on September 11, 2003, 07:09:00 PM

QUOTE (oblox @ Sep 12 2003, 12:00 PM)

QUOTE (Tsharkou @ Sep 12 2003, 03:57 AM)

If it checks the dash version then I would not be able to delete the updated and revert back to an older version without being asked to do it again when I go on live, which is what I have done. Now when I changed Eaprom which changed my MAC then I was asked again to dl

Were you running the old or the newdash when you tred the newkey?

the old dashboard of course for both Eeproms. For one it did not redownload and for the other Eeprom it did.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: AnThRaX on September 11, 2003, 07:10:00 PM

Any other people try it?

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: oblox on September 11, 2003, 07:12:00 PM

So if your modding you connect the xbox upto live with the new dashboard installed and then drop it back to the old dashboard and then install

meaning someone else won't mess it up afterwards...?

*edit* Wonders if M $ is checking the Dashboard version or just the version of live you have running would be funny if they were only checking which version of live you have

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Trypticon on September 11, 2003, 07:12:00 PM

thats too sweet so i guess old MS shot themselves in the foot yet again

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Trypticon on September 11, 2003, 07:13:00 PM

once you go back to the old dashboard just dont click on xboxlive tab that WILL make you DL the update again just launch yer games regularly and play online and it doesnt make you dl it again

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Tsharkou on September 11, 2003, 07:13:00 PM

QUOTE (oblox @ Sep 12 2003, 12:12 PM)

So if your modding you connect the xbox upto live with the new dashboard installed and then drop it back to the old dashboard and then install

meaning someone else won't mess it up afterwards...?

?

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: AnThRaX on September 11, 2003, 07:15:00 PM

No more updates, and you then have your dear old audio exploit back.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: oblox on September 11, 2003, 07:18:00 PM

If they are storing which eeproms have downloaded new live and you mod for someone else (who isn't on live) you could connect to live with your account.. now it's registered as having new live...

make sence?

*edited* nevermind looks like it wouldn't work

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: AnThRaX on September 11, 2003, 07:22:00 PM

Read my new edit it explains stuff more if you don't understand how to do it.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Tsharkou on September 11, 2003, 07:25:00 PM

QUOTE (oblox @ Sep 12 2003, 12:18 PM)

QUOTE (Tsharkou @ Sep 12 2003, 04:13 AM)

QUOTE (oblox @ Sep 12 2003, 12:12 PM)

So if your modding you connect the xbox upto live with the new dashboard installed and then drop it back to the old dashboard and then install

meaning someone else won't mess it up afterwards...?

?

If they are storing which eeproms have downloaded new live and you mod for someone else (who isn't on live) you could connect to live with your account.. now it's registered as having new live...

make sence?

Let me see, are you saying if I mod someone elses ex-box then I could take their Eeprom and and create a new account? If so then, yes I can! I have a lot of Eeproms and I use them for experiments. Heck you can change the region xbe or DvD that your box reads based on the Eaprom that you use.....

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: shanafan on September 11, 2003, 07:27:00 PM

QUOTE (Tsharkou @ Sep 11 2003, 11:25 PM)

QUOTE (oblox @ Sep 12 2003, 12:18 PM)

QUOTE (Tsharkou @ Sep 12 2003, 04:13 AM)

QUOTE (oblox @ Sep 12 2003, 12:12 PM)

So if your modding you connect the xbox upto live with the new dashboard installed and then drop it back to the old dashboard and then install

meaning someone else won't mess it up afterwards...?

?

If they are storing which eeproms have downloaded new live and you mod for someone else (who isn't on live) you could connect to live with your account.. now it's registered as having new live...

make sence?

Let me see, are you saying if I mod someone elses ex-box then I could take their Eeprom and and create a new account? If so then, yes I can! I have a lot of Eeproms and I use them for experiments. Heck you can change the region xbe or DvD that your box reads based on the Eaprom that you use.....

No

You need an unique online key to make a new Xbox Live account. Thats why stores have a Xbox Live Starter Kit.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Telemachus on September 11, 2003, 07:29:00 PM

So I guess the queston is this...

What if we just never log into XBL from the dash? Will it update with the first game that you try?

Or is it just logging in through the dash that makes you update?

I think it would be worthwhile to revert to a "non on-line" dash, and one that lets you keep your exploits, but wouldn't it be better to keep the new live for the added features?

It seems to be the new dash that caused problems, not the new online.

Or does the new online REQUIRE the new dash?

Very interesting stuff!

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Tsharkou on September 11, 2003, 07:33:00 PM

QUOTE (oblox @ Sep 12 2003, 12:29 PM)

QUOTE (Tsharkou @ Sep 12 2003, 04:25 AM)

Heck you can change the region xbe or DvD that your box reads based on the Eaprom that you use.....

Sorry to diverge the thread

Really I never knew... so you can actually just change the Eeprom on an imported X-Box and make it into a local one then (local as in the region you live in)

Yes using TeamAssembly's ConfigMagic App you can take Japanese Xbox box and make it a U.S. xbox. I know this because I do it for a lot of americans here in Japan that buy Japanese Xboxs!

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: AnThRaX on September 11, 2003, 07:34:00 PM

Check out my new thread on this topic here

http://forums.xbox-s...T&f=53&t=101978

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: AnThRaX on September 11, 2003, 07:39:00 PM

QUOTE (Tsharkou @ Sep 12 2003, 04:34 AM)

QUOTE (oblox @ Sep 12 2003, 12:31 PM)

I was trying to figure out the m $ database weather it is being done by Eeprom or by unique login or both

I think that based on login, MAC and maybe Eeprom is how they remember as to whether you did the update or not. My test say this is how!

I agree I think the it would be the eeprom but I have to experiment.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: AnThRaX on September 11, 2003, 07:58:00 PM

QUOTE (oblox @ Sep 12 2003, 04:50 AM)

Wondering if there are any new functions in the new SDK for the new version of live

If not future games might not ask for the update...

Lets wait and see.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Tsharkou on September 11, 2003, 08:07:00 PM

I know what you mean....please give it a few days

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: AnThRaX on September 11, 2003, 08:08:00 PM

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: brienj on September 11, 2003, 09:44:00 PM

QUOTE (Telemachus @ Sep 11 2003, 07:10 PM)

But if your GT is on the memcard, and someone accidentally loads up a live tab from either a game or the dash, how will that help you?

I can get onto XBL without a gamers tag. We all can.

And how is that any different than it is now when you have a modchip in your Xbox? My whole point was to point out that people are freaking out for nothing and I was merely showing them how to have the new dash NOT access Live automatically.

But I finally realize that no matter how many times you try to put the truth out there, somebody has a "what if" just waiting to be said.

Everybody just go ahead and ignore my previous posts and get an ulcer, while I enjoy knowing that I am safe from the Live 2.0 update accessing Live when it wants and it will only access Live when I want it to.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Ichabod on September 11, 2003, 09:53:00 PM

Anyone else still having problems of it getting partially through the update and then saying "cannot update due to technical difficulties, try again later..."?

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Fofer on September 11, 2003, 10:28:00 PM

QUOTE (brienj @ Sep 12 2003, 06:44 AM)

QUOTE (Telemachus @ Sep 11 2003, 07:10 PM)

But if your GT is on the memcard, and someone accidentally loads up a live tab from either a game or the dash, how will that help you?

I can get onto XBL without a gamers tag. We all can.

And how is that any different than it is now when you have a modchip in your Xbox? My whole point was to point out that people are freaking out for nothing and I was merely showing them how to have the new dash NOT access Live automatically.

But I finally realize that no matter how many times you try to put the truth out there, somebody has a "what if" just waiting to be said.

Everybody just go ahead and ignore my previous posts and get an ulcer, while I enjoy knowing that I am safe from the Live 2.0 update accessing Live when it wants and it will only access Live when I want it to.

Brienj, I may be wrong but I think you're missing the point here. Just because your gamertag is on a memcard, doesn't mean the new MS dash won't be able to connect to Xbox Live and get you banned. It connects automatically, whether you have a gamertag or not.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: shanafan on September 11, 2003, 10:29:00 PM

QUOTE

Brienj, I may be wrong but I think you're missing the point here. Just because your gamertag is on a memcard, doesn't mean the new MS dash won't be able to connect to Xbox Live and get you banned. It connects automatically, whether you have a gamertag or not.

Thank you. I have been trying to get this across, and no one is listenin

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Gamer on September 11, 2003, 10:47:00 PM

QUOTE (Fofer @ Sep 12 2003, 08:33 AM)

Now what about this feature I hear about, being able to turn OFF the automatic login to XBLive 2.0?
Can I turn the mod chip off, connect to Live, update to 2.0, turn OFF the automatic login, and be on my way?

Yes, Yes, Yes...as all the other posts say if you read them....just stay away from the Live menu setting from then onwards if your mod's enabled.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Atreyu on September 12, 2003, 12:06:00 AM

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: asker on September 12, 2003, 12:07:00 AM

QUOTE

What happens when I have live 2.0 with enabled chip.
And autostart a dvd from XBMP using the dash as player?
Will that get me banned?
How to avoid this?

Get an old (pre-live) version of xboxdash.xbe and rename it as dvdplayer.xbe (or whatever) and make evox / XBMP use this as DVD/audioplayer. This way you can also path it to be regionfree. I have it running from F, not sure if it needs any of the other file from the dash though - I still have a non-live dash on c.

Something to be tried by someone with a live-dash!

/Asker

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: mba98clj on September 12, 2003, 12:45:00 AM

Thought of the same thing last night, tried it, and when you try to play a dvd it just frags out, even tried putting a a pre live 2.0 copy of the whole of C on to F and of course still frags

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: MikeHolliday on September 12, 2003, 01:33:00 AM

Basically they secretly scan your hard drive and will wait to ban you the day before Halo 2 comes out. We are all doomed!

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: RMF on September 12, 2003, 01:59:00 AM

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Gamer on September 12, 2003, 02:01:00 AM

I don't understand what the fuss is about with hdd scanning.
If M$ want to do a hdd scan, they wouldn't do that with a dash update. That would be their servers performing that function and a hdd scan could've been done ages ago without anyone knowing about it. It could be done next week. It could never be done.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Corvo on September 12, 2003, 02:22:00 AM

Okay... In short:
- Disable modchip
- Go LIVE! and get the update
- When the update is complete, go to settings and disable the "auto-login" option.
- When modchip is enabled: NEVER select the LIVE tab.

This should work for everyone, I guess. Though most will probably use EvoX, AvaLaunch, MXM etc. with the modchip enabled. So I guess
the regular M$ dashboard (v2) will not be visited that often. As in, the risk is even lower.

But here are my two cents:
Why don't we ONLY use a hacked M$ dashboard with the modchip enabled... So, enable mod, power on XBox, use replacement dash like AvaLaunch and when needed use hacked Non-LIVE M$ dashboard. That's the safest option of all!!

BTW: I've got a 40gb IBM HDD installed and ALL non-M$ files are located on my F: drive (I boot from F). With the modchip disabled they could scan as much as they want, they'll NEVER find anything because the regular BIOS has no F: drive support.

EDIT:
I guess they could find out even with all my files on the F: drive. How? They could see that my PAL XBox has NTSC saves (and even JAP saves)....

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: mojojojo on September 12, 2003, 02:28:00 AM

well i have a chip that allows me to turn it off and so far no probs.
i upgraded yesterday .
it seems like the quiet before the storm,like when we did the live
beta test and got banned, but who knows ?
i hope we can stay on live and figure out some new dash
exploits

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: DeepCover on September 12, 2003, 03:49:00 AM

QUOTE (Tsharkou @ Sep 12 2003, 03:43 AM)

QUOTE (karishbhr @ Sep 12 2003, 09:51 AM)

QUOTE (onemonkey @ Sep 12 2003, 01:24 AM)

Ok.... If i boot up the xbox live 2.0 dash with my mod chip on but no ethernet cord in, will i be banned?

Do you only get banned if you are connected to the net?

I think thats the only way, cuz otherwise it wont communicate to ms

Acctualy, I have just signed on to live for the very first time ever, on Monday of this week and was banned before connecting, heres my story;

I have been using several chips in the same system over the past 2 years (xbox 1.0) and for the past few months for my other xbox (1.2) and I decided on monday it's time to go Live. Chip disabled...check, Nothing wierd on C drive....check, every thing connected....check! Well I kept getting the "Unable to connect to XBL" So I thought maybe it's my router! So, I took the one I had back to the store and bought a M$ router "xbox compatible" --WOoo and still nada! So I ran it straight to the modem and still same answer.....well I called M$ techs and what non-american answered the phone had no clue as to what I needed....until he said XYZ...bingo and that's where I found out that the code I saw meant I was banned but how if I never been on live before? Well I had triggered the XBL dashboard a few time when I was never connected to an ethernet cable or anything.....so, that's to say that it is possble to get banned before going online or then again I may just be a unique case......but when I changed out my Eeprom I was good to go on both Xboxs

That's what i've been wondering. What stopping MS from finding you have a mod chip off line, and reporting it when ever you do go back online.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Ces2k3 on September 12, 2003, 04:12:00 AM

im not sure but it wouldnt be safe,ex: i got the update then evrything was nice, no prob i remove choose not to auto sign in and i even set a pw but even thou i click on live it only takes like a sec and boom im on live i think your log on once the reg dASH STARTS cause it only ask for my pw when im gonna voice chat shnnafan can u confirm that turning off aout sign and not click on the live iccon will not bann you( i know it only been a day)but from so far?

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: V1510N on September 12, 2003, 04:35:00 AM

this sucks i tried deleting all my saves and everything but what originaly came in my e drive and it still said the same. i have never been banned. after i got this message i immediately put in unreal championship and it said it could not connect. not even 24 hours, i made sure that my mod was off during both of these. damn this sucks.

EDIT: i just tried with my cousins and it worked fine, he has the original hdd with only evox loaded as i have a 120 gb hd (locked). man i wish i could steal his eeprom.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: BrothaJay on September 12, 2003, 04:57:00 AM

That does suck but I think you may have done something wrong, I played on live alot last night and I'm still able to log on fine, but I removed all foreign saves from the HDD, and of course disabled the Mod chip, so who knows, sorry to hear about that go rent an XBOX from BB or hollywood and get a new eprom J/K...

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: brienj on September 12, 2003, 06:50:00 AM

QUOTE (Fofer @ Sep 11 2003, 11:28 PM)

QUOTE (brienj @ Sep 12 2003, 06:44 AM)

QUOTE (Telemachus @ Sep 11 2003, 07:10 PM)

But if your GT is on the memcard, and someone accidentally loads up a live tab from either a game or the dash, how will that help you?

I can get onto XBL without a gamers tag. We all can.

And how is that any different than it is now when you have a modchip in your Xbox? My whole point was to point out that people are freaking out for nothing and I was merely showing them how to have the new dash NOT access Live automatically.

But I finally realize that no matter how many times you try to put the truth out there, somebody has a "what if" just waiting to be said.

Everybody just go ahead and ignore my previous posts and get an ulcer, while I enjoy knowing that I am safe from the Live 2.0 update accessing Live when it wants and it will only access Live when I want it to.

Brienj, I may be wrong but I think you're missing the point here. Just because your gamertag is on a memcard, doesn't mean the new MS dash won't be able to connect to Xbox Live and get you banned. It connects automatically, whether you have a gamertag or not.

Um, excuse me, but NO it doesn't if you follow my directions, but go ahead and not listen.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Mordenkainen on September 12, 2003, 07:12:00 AM

brienj,

Just because you configured it to not Auto-Login doesn't mean it won't TRY to connect. We all know you CAN connect to Live without an account.

We don't know what is built into this dash. In a few weeks when the dash does a windowsupdate style check for updates and you get banned you will be very angry. (if this is there!)

Who knows what they did, Live is embedded in the core of the dash now, just because you say "Hey don't identify yourself as me" doesn't mean it will never try to connect! uSoft is majorly entering the automated update arena, and trying to keep its users in the dark as far as when and how the updates occur. Don't be surprised if this type of functionality is worked into the dash!

Morden.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: brienj on September 12, 2003, 07:21:00 AM

QUOTE (Mordenkainen @ Sep 12 2003, 08:12 AM)

brienj,

Just because you configured it to not Auto-Login doesn't mean it won't TRY to connect. We all know you CAN connect to Live without an account.

We don't know what is built into this dash. In a few weeks when the dash does a windowsupdate style check for updates and you get banned you will be very angry. (if this is there!)

Who knows what they did, Live is embedded in the core of the dash now, just because you say "Hey don't identify yourself as me" doesn't mean it will never try to connect! uSoft is majorly entering the automated update arena, and trying to keep its users in the dark as far as when and how the updates occur. Don't be surprised if this type of functionality is worked into the dash!

Morden.

It doesn't try to connect, I have it set my way for over a day now and still no connection is being made to Live with the setup I did. Of course it will try to connect to Live if you go to the Live tab, but that is no diferent than the old dash and because of this, you can't use the new functions of the new dash, but I would advise against it on modded Xboxes anyway. On an un-modded Xbox, that's fine, which I also do have an un-modded Xbox and I use it instead.

It's pretty funny that the audio exploit solution that won't work if you ever want to play on Live, gets a sticky and the front page here, yet my solution to keep the new dash from automatically connecting to Live isn't.

If you install the new update with all Live accounts deleted from your HD, then turn off auto-login, it NEVER tries to connect to Live. People that say it still connects, either have an account on the HD or have deleted it since, but originally installed the update with the account on the HD, so of course it will try to connect even with auto-login turned off.

Like I said, go ahead, dismiss what I say, I know it makes too much sense for anybody to believe it or listen to me.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Ces2k3 on September 12, 2003, 07:24:00 AM

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: brienj on September 12, 2003, 07:37:00 AM

QUOTE (Fofer @ Sep 12 2003, 08:33 AM)

QUOTE (brienj @ Sep 12 2003, 04:21 PM)

Like I said, go ahead, dismiss what I say, I know it makes too much sense for anybody to believe it or listen to me.

I think I'll wait a few days for more updates from brienj, at which point I'll either thank him (and buy my first memcard) or laugh at him for being so smug about it.

If I were you I'd buy that memory card, but if you installed the update with an account on the HD, even if you have since deleted the account, idk if it would help you.

btw, anybody that installed the update with an account on the HD, you won't be able to test, because it seems to remember that you did have an account at one time, so it will still connect to Live at boot if you even delete the account from the HD later. I tested this on my un-modded Xbox.

It's been about 24 hours, still no ban, so ...

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Mordenkainen on September 12, 2003, 08:24:00 AM

Oh, I wasn't talking now, I was talking later, when it sees the BB connection and decides to check for an update.

Oh, and a little birdy who lives in Redmond whom I know informed me that every three months or so it WILL do this! Won't matter if you have an account or not. If it sees the connection it will try. I was informed this was an additional slap at the exploits since so many required the live dash, they figured "hey, you have the live dash, so we are gonna keep it up to date, even if you don't use live!". Could be bull, but I trust this particular birdy.

Oh, and the same birdy informed me there are no plans for REQUIRING this dash for any games except "Live aware" games.

Morden.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Telemachus on September 12, 2003, 08:36:00 AM

QUOTE (brienj @ Sep 12 2003, 04:21 PM)

QUOTE (Mordenkainen @ Sep 12 2003, 08:12 AM)

brienj,

Just because you configured it to not Auto-Login doesn't mean it won't TRY to connect. We all know you CAN connect to Live without an account.

We don't know what is built into this dash. In a few weeks when the dash does a windowsupdate style check for updates and you get banned you will be very angry. (if this is there!)

Who knows what they did, Live is embedded in the core of the dash now, just because you say "Hey don't identify yourself as me" doesn't mean it will never try to connect! uSoft is majorly entering the automated update arena, and trying to keep its users in the dark as far as when and how the updates occur. Don't be surprised if this type of functionality is worked into the dash!

Morden.

It doesn't try to connect, I have it set my way for over a day now and still no connection is being made to Live with the setup I did. Of course it will try to connect to Live if you go to the Live tab, but that is no diferent than the old dash and because of this, you can't use the new functions of the new dash, but I would advise against it on modded Xboxes anyway. On an un-modded Xbox, that's fine, which I also do have an un-modded Xbox and I use it instead.

It's pretty funny that the audio exploit solution that won't work if you ever want to play on Live, gets a sticky and the front page here, yet my solution to keep the new dash from automatically connecting to Live isn't.

If you install the new update with all Live accounts deleted from your HD, then turn off auto-login, it NEVER tries to connect to Live. People that say it still connects, either have an account on the HD or have deleted it since, but originally installed the update with the account on the HD, so of course it will try to connect even with auto-login turned off.

Like I said, go ahead, dismiss what I say, I know it makes too much sense for anybody to believe it or listen to me.

It just doen't make sense. That is all. You make no sense. How do you install an account straight to the mem card?

Not getting banned is actually an easy solution... just don't have the cable plugged into an outside connection when you play with mod.

The question is, what else is up their sleeves?

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: karishbhr on September 12, 2003, 09:18:00 AM

neone been banned yet, or are we clear... either way I wanted to play on XBL I had to bite the dust sooner or later, I chose sooner

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: brienj on September 12, 2003, 10:45:00 AM

QUOTE (Mordenkainen @ Sep 12 2003, 09:24 AM)

Oh, I wasn't talking now, I was talking later, when it sees the BB connection and decides to check for an update.

Oh, and a little birdy who lives in Redmond whom I know informed me that every three months or so it WILL do this! Won't matter if you have an account or not. If it sees the connection it will try. I was informed this was an additional slap at the exploits since so many required the live dash, they figured "hey, you have the live dash, so we are gonna keep it up to date, even if you don't use live!". Could be bull, but I trust this particular birdy.

Oh, and the same birdy informed me there are no plans for REQUIRING this dash for any games except "Live aware" games.

Morden.

What do you mean, when it sees the BB connection, my Xbox is ALWAYS connected to the internet?

Sure, whatever. Continue on with the nonsense and pretend I wasn't here, because obviously nobody wants to really be helped and wants to listen to lies and rumors.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: danny6869 on September 12, 2003, 11:36:00 AM

This is a variation on an idea earlier in the thread (by alkaline I believe). Can a BIOS be created that disables the NIC card completely? That way, if a modded xbox is booted with the MOD enabled, then there's no way it can connect to XBox LIVE...which means a modded machine would stay safe???

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: shanafan on September 12, 2003, 11:39:00 AM

QUOTE (danny6869 @ Sep 12 2003, 03:36 PM)

This is a variation on an idea earlier in the thread (by alkaline I believe). Can a BIOS be created that disables the NIC card completely? That way, if a modded xbox is booted with the MOD enabled, then there's no way it can connect to XBox LIVE...which means a modded machine would stay safe???

I don't think the skills are there to completely disable your NIC. Now, maybe if there was a way to block any ports that Live uses.

However, even if you have a BIOS that disables your NIC, what are you going to do for FTP, XBConnect, etc? People will have to get a modchip that has more than one bank to store a BIOS

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Mechazilla on September 12, 2003, 12:00:00 PM

Jesus 19 pages in one day.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Mordenkainen on September 12, 2003, 12:02:00 PM

QUOTE

What do you mean, when it sees the BB connection, my Xbox is ALWAYS connected to the internet?

Sure, whatever. Continue on with the nonsense and pretend I wasn't here, because obviously nobody wants to really be helped and wants to listen to lies and rumors.

Hey, I never said it was a sure thing, I made it quite clear I got this from someone else, but if you like to take the holier than thou attitude, good for you.

I had some information that MAY be pertinent. If not I'm sorry, if it is, I gave some advanced warning.

Question:
Does YOUR source work for uSoft? Oh yeah, thats right, your source is... YOU!

Mine does, and I was just relaying what I had been told.

I am not discounting your idea, I am trying to keep the info flowing.

As far as:

QUOTE

What do you mean, when it sees the BB connection, my Xbox is ALWAYS connected to the internet?

Did I not say it was periodic? Not all things check for updates all the time, in fact, this would bog down the XBL network. I'm just saying at intervals it MAY check.

Also, as far as the XBox NOT connecting to XBL at start, there is no need for it to check with XBL itself, it's easy to set up a server off the XBL network to service update checks. There is no need to be logged in. All the thing has to do is send a packet and wait for a response!

Morden.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: RMF on September 12, 2003, 12:50:00 PM

QUOTE (brienj @ Sep 12 2003, 04:21 PM)

It's pretty funny that the audio exploit solution that won't work if you ever want to play on Live, gets a sticky and the front page here, yet my solution to keep the new dash from automatically connecting to Live isn't.

Awww...he want's his own sticky thread

Even when you disable auto login the xbox still connects to live. It's not possible for it to connect in the 2 secondsa it's taking right now when i click the live tab after booting with auto login off...and i for one am not about to chance trying it out your way either.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: ackbar9722 on September 12, 2003, 12:58:00 PM

QUOTE (RMF @ Sep 12 2003, 03:50 PM)

QUOTE (brienj @ Sep 12 2003, 04:21 PM)

It's pretty funny that the audio exploit solution that won't work if you ever want to play on Live, gets a sticky and the front page here, yet my solution to keep the new dash from automatically connecting to Live isn't.

Awww...he want's his own sticky thread

Even when you disable auto login the xbox still connects to live. It's not possible for it to connect in the 2 secondsa it's taking right now when i click the live tab after booting with auto login off...and i for one am not about to chance trying it out your way either.

I'm not saying that either person is right, but perhaps you just believe that it should take longer to connect to Live because you were used to the cheesy intro movie taking so long. With that no longer being shown, it could be possible that login is much shorter.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: brienj on September 12, 2003, 01:16:00 PM

QUOTE (RMF @ Sep 12 2003, 01:50 PM)

QUOTE (brienj @ Sep 12 2003, 04:21 PM)

It's pretty funny that the audio exploit solution that won't work if you ever want to play on Live, gets a sticky and the front page here, yet my solution to keep the new dash from automatically connecting to Live isn't.

Awww...he want's his own sticky thread

Even when you disable auto login the xbox still connects to live. It's not possible for it to connect in the 2 secondsa it's taking right now when i click the live tab after booting with auto login off...and i for one am not about to chance trying it out your way either.

Hey, I'm not giving this info out to get a sticky thread. I'm trying to help you guys, but nobody wants to listen. That's cool with me, if you don't want to take my help or advice, don't listen to me. Just remember who said it first, I doubt the person that gets credited with finding it out will be me. Just wait and you'll see.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Mordenkainen on September 12, 2003, 01:53:00 PM

It's not that we don't want to listen, it's just a nebulous statement that "THIS WORKS" without some real concrete evidence gets quite a few sideways looks here. We agree that this works for you, so far as anyone can tell, but I for one am not interested what works today, but the long term reliability of this. it would suck to "feel" safe for a week or month and then get the shaft because they HAD planned ahead.

So answer a couple of questions for use to ally our concerns:

1. How do you know it is not connecting to live? Watching for blinking lights, packet sniffer, router logs, lack of error messages?

2. What prompts you to believe that this is the way it will always be? You say you have had it on with no traffic for a while, thats a good start. I assume that you are watching for traffic using the same method as you are using to watch for it connecting. But an hour, or even a day, is no indicatior of the long term behavior of a piece of SW or HW. Some software checks for updates as soon as it starts, others wait days, months, or even check on a yearly basis. A day is just not long enough to tell.

I would love to believe that MS released this dash with no long term planning behind it, but somehow I doubt it. The delay before release is very similar to other things they have done, and in many of those cases the delay was caused by a last minute decision to add update features to the SW.

Morden.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Ggggunit851 on September 12, 2003, 02:57:00 PM

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: BraveBen on September 12, 2003, 03:37:00 PM

So, is it COMPLETELY safe to download the xbox live 2.0 with mod chip turned off without getting banned?

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: lookformeb on September 12, 2003, 03:47:00 PM

QUOTE (BraveBen @ Sep 12 2003, 06:37 PM)

So, is it COMPLETELY safe to download the xbox live 2.0 with mod chip turned off without getting banned?

yes, it is. from what we know so far at least.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Playa128 on September 12, 2003, 03:51:00 PM

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: karishbhr on September 12, 2003, 04:39:00 PM

Why are people wigging out... ull haveto get the dash sooner or later if u wanna go on live!

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Katana-Sama on September 12, 2003, 04:48:00 PM

i can still play live without the new dash, but i really want it for the new voice chat rooms

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Yoko They Cryed on September 12, 2003, 06:14:00 PM

suck it up come on just buy one more XBOX damn it

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: kennedy0218 on September 12, 2003, 07:26:00 PM

I downloaded it and so far so good but my only question is where is the auto login setting at. I've look in the account managment and account settings and it is not there. Any help would be apprecitaed.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: grondefekt on September 12, 2003, 07:48:00 PM

it isnt in the live! settings. look in the standard xbox settings, there is an auto-login option there. took me a minute to find it the first time myself

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: kennedy0218 on September 12, 2003, 08:12:00 PM

Thanks!!!!

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: SLuSHIE on September 12, 2003, 09:02:00 PM

i did the update yesterday morning and xbox live is still working okay for me =) got an x2.2 pro

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: ICEFuZiOn on September 13, 2003, 12:17:00 AM

QUOTE (SLuSHIE @ Sep 12 2003, 09:02 PM)

i did the update yesterday morning and xbox live is still working okay for me =) got an x2.2 pro

Thats good news..I'll update tomorrow then..

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: chevrix on September 13, 2003, 08:13:00 AM

I have no Live account and put auto-sign in off.

I'm I banned?

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Hitcher on September 13, 2003, 09:30:00 AM

QUOTE (chevrix @ Sep 13 2003, 05:13 PM)

My problem :

I was trying Phoenix Bios Loader (the signed one) with my mod chip on
and it loaded msdash (new 2.0 one) instead of evolution-x

I have no Live account and put auto-sign in off.

I'm I banned?

How can you be banned from Live if you don't have a Live account?

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: CloudEx on September 13, 2003, 10:21:00 AM

QUOTE (Hitcher @ Sep 13 2003, 06:30 PM)

How can you be banned from Live if you don't have a Live account?

They don't ban your live account, they ban your xbox's eeprom...

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: FawnTheGuyver on September 13, 2003, 05:28:00 PM

Ok I got the LIVE2.0 update looks nice.

#1 disable you chip !
#2 get the update.
#3 go to settings and disable auto conecting on start up! or ... you know

the new menu is like it have been told so many times inside Live. Mean you have to select on the xboxdash first LIVE to get on the new screen. but when you have auto conection then you get it after you start you box.

Title: Talk about Live 2.0
Post by: Bradley687 on September 14, 2003, 05:25:00 AM

I updated to the New Dash

As a Precaution I assigned an IP address to my XBOX and have all ports to that IP address closed through my router. I did some testing to make sure.

So in order to play I:

TUrn Off Modchip
connect the RJ45 cable to XBOX
Enable XBOX IP To Access Network

When I am done playing I close the Ports to the XBOX IP. I played last night with the Chip off. I should be alright unless there is a new Detection system.

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