Post by: ppbest on March 19, 2003, 01:18:00 AM
I'm not sure weather SONY will detect a PS2 with mod ON online like MS, but i'm sure i can play PS2 backup online even they can detect the mod,because no mod installed in my PS2.
Post by: shanafan on March 19, 2003, 10:55:00 AM
Post by: ppbest on March 20, 2003, 12:23:00 AM
Post by: shanafan on March 20, 2003, 11:29:00 AM
Post by: ppbest on March 20, 2003, 11:57:00 AM
This post has been edited by ppbest: Mar 20 2003, 08:00 PM
Post by: feflicker on March 20, 2003, 12:01:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| i have 72 PS2 backup games |
The operative word being "backup", right?
Post by: ppbest on March 20, 2003, 12:25:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on March 20, 2003, 12:34:00 PM
| QUOTE (ppbest @ Mar 20 2003, 04:25 PM) |
| I repeat my question,can we play backup games with PS2 mod ON online? |
Yes.
But anyways, you can't just put in the PAR CD, then insert backup, and then the backup loads. At least not on NTSC machines. You have to do a swap trick which involves physically taking apart the PS2 and leaving it apart for playing backups.
This post has been edited by shanafan: Mar 20 2003, 08:35 PM
Post by: ppbest on March 20, 2003, 12:41:00 PM
Post by: hiredmuscle on March 20, 2003, 01:01:00 PM
Post by: leigao84 on March 20, 2003, 01:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (ppbest @ Mar 20 2003, 09:41 PM) |
| That means Sony do not detect the mod when online? ok, if that, my idea is no usefull for PS2 online,but it REALLY should work with Xbox,just because MS can detect mod. If AR2 for Xbox work like for PS2,i mean it stop running before we take the AR2 CD out, we can surely play xbox backup game without mod,so no problem on LIVE. |
The cache on the xbox record a checksum for the bios and if that's wrong it will get reported to M$ and you're banned. Now there seems to be new detection schems going on, we don't know yet. Now either you get that 2084 bit code and sign your own backups or you change that checksum and hope to god that's the only way M$ detect mods.
Why are people so greedy that they want to play *backups* online? I mean if you like the game so much pay the developers so that they can make new games!
Post by: ppbest on March 20, 2003, 01:35:00 PM
| QUOTE (leigao84 @ Mar 20 2003, 10:14 PM) | ||
The cache on the xbox record a checksum for the bios and if that's wrong it will get reported to M$ and you're banned. Now there seems to be new detection schems going on, we don't know yet. Now either you get that 2084 bit code and sign your own backups or you change that checksum and hope to god that's the only way M$ detect mods. Why are people so greedy that they want to play *backups* online? I mean if you like the game so much pay the developers so that they can make new games! |
Let me say something simple: now, we suppose that we can play a Xbox backup game without mod, do you think we can Live or not? i think yes. So the only problem is how to play a backup game on a xbox without any modification,especially no modchip installed. This problem i will not talk about with you,because it seems you reallly do not know how AR2 works without modchip installed,useless to talk, i'm waiting for Mars 26 when the AR2 for xbox is released, then i will buy one,and then everything is clear.
Post by: shanafan on March 20, 2003, 01:55:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Let me say something simple: now, we suppose that we can play a Xbox backup game without mod, do you think we can Live or not? i think yes. So the only problem is how to play a backup game on a xbox without any modification,especially no modchip installed. This problem i will not talk about with you,because it seems you reallly do not know how AR2 works without modchip installed,useless to talk, i'm waiting for Mars 26 when the AR2 for xbox is released, then i will buy one,and then everything is clear. |
Yes, we do know what we are talking about. As hiredmuscle said so simply, a Xbox is not a PS2.
For example, to play a Dreamcast backup, run the DC Gameshark, and swap discs. Very easy method that doesn't involve a modchip. But, this same method can not be used with the PS2. You need to modchip to perform the swap trick with the PS2.
Remember how to play backups with the Playstation? You hold down the corner lid button and swap discs between a backup and an original.
Every system has a different method to be playing backups. One method on one system will not work with another system.
There *might* be a PAR method with the Xbox, but with what we know about the Xbox and its BIOS, I doubt it.
This post has been edited by shanafan: Mar 20 2003, 09:55 PM
Post by: ppbest on March 20, 2003, 02:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Mar 20 2003, 10:55 PM) |
| But, this same method can not be used with the PS2. You need to modchip to perform the swap trick with the PS2. |
Maybe my english is too poor, if that, sorry :lol:
I think you didn't understand my situation, i'm Playing All my PS2 backup without any modchip installed,no need, i only use AR2 for PS2 to play backup.
I'll still try the AR2 for xbox,so pray for me,haha.
Post by: shanafan on March 20, 2003, 02:08:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on March 20, 2003, 08:26:00 PM
| QUOTE (ppbest @ Mar 20 2003, 06:24 PM) |
| That means you do not trust me,haha... the link is no useful for you cause in chinese language, and i read it Fev. 2002 before i bought my PS2 (30004 V4 Non-Gap PAL) last model of PS2 can not use this way cause Sony modify a little in the tray, i can tell you how to do that , not sure if you can understand cause my english level. first of all,be sure you do not have a very new PS2 model(like39001..) |
Sorry BUT- you can't post a link? If something this wild is true (play backups on PS2 without modchip), I am POSITIVE the news is elsewhere and in English.
Post by: AnimeCommander on March 21, 2003, 03:31:00 AM
Post by: GRiFFBALL on March 21, 2003, 04:53:00 AM
2) there is a way were you push in a tab with a knife or something inside the tray. which opens the tray without reset. then you can quickly change the backup.
Post by: RMF on March 21, 2003, 08:27:00 AM
Maybe it could work for the xbox, maybe not. AR or GS will never come out for the xbox anyway. MS are currently involved in a lawsuit to stop them from being released so that live can not be compromised by cheaters online, and i for one hope that MS win.
Post by: RMF on March 21, 2003, 08:31:00 AM
http://www.asdfhost....s2tutorial.html
Post by: leigao84 on March 21, 2003, 09:39:00 AM
It is interesting how this is done on the PS2, but I would think M$ will try a method to detect GS or AR on live simply to avoid cheaters on Live.
Post by: shanafan on March 21, 2003, 10:56:00 AM
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| I think it's hillarious how you all immediately assume that someone is making something up if you have never heard of it yourselves. Shanafan, no disrespect to you (as you are most knowledgable in all things live), but you couldn't have followed the PS2 backup scene for more than 2 minutes. The action replay swap trick method is an old one that works extremely well. As for it only working on older PS2's i have no idea, but it does work with every PS2 that i have seen it tried on. Maybe it could work for the xbox, maybe not. AR or GS will never come out for the xbox anyway. MS are currently involved in a lawsuit to stop them from being released so that live can not be compromised by cheaters online, and i for one hope that MS win. |
Yes, I have followed the PS2 backup scene for more than 2 minutes. How in the world have I have installed a Neo 2.2 modchip in less than 2 minutes?
Did you miss what I posted? Yes, I know about this swap method....which involves taking apart the PS2! Read what I write. Thanks
He makes it sound like you don't need to the PS2 apart.
Also, the Pro Action Replay comes out for the Xbox on March 24.
Post by: ppbest on March 24, 2003, 09:22:00 AM
Post by: ppbest on March 24, 2003, 09:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (RMF @ Mar 21 2003, 05:27 PM) |
| MS are currently involved in a lawsuit to stop them from being released so that live can not be compromised by cheaters online, and i for one hope that MS win. |
I played PS2 backups because i love games but hate japanese.
Mr.Gate said that he will never think about to sell the xbox out of Japan in Asia when xbox was released , maybe cause hacked or backup,maybe not. and then sell xbox in Taiwan one year later. That is why i change my idea to play xbox backups, to find a way to play backup online, to give NOTHING to MS,even one 1 doller. I don't care wether he really wouldn't sell xbox in other Asian countries or not, but what he said really hurt me.
Post by: shanafan on March 24, 2003, 02:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (ppbest @ Mar 24 2003, 01:35 PM) | ||
I played PS2 backups because i love games but hate japanese. Mr.Gate said that he will never think about to sell the xbox out of Japan in Asia when xbox was released , maybe cause hacked or backup,maybe not. and then sell xbox in Taiwan one year later. That is why i change my idea to play xbox backups, to find a way to play backup online, to give NOTHING to MS,even one 1 doller. I don't care wether he really wouldn't sell xbox in other Asian countries or not, but what he said really hurt me. |
Then why would you ask how can you play backups with a modchip with Action Replay? You would have to buy a Xbox in the first place.
So you are mad at MS because they weren't going to release the Xbox in Asia, but then they did? I get understand your reasoning, but when people bash MS, their reasoning never make sense anyways...
Post by: leigao84 on March 24, 2003, 03:04:00 PM
| QUOTE (ppbest @ Mar 24 2003, 06:35 PM) | ||
I played PS2 backups because i love games but hate japanese. Mr.Gate said that he will never think about to sell the xbox out of Japan in Asia when xbox was released , maybe cause hacked or backup,maybe not. and then sell xbox in Taiwan one year later. That is why i change my idea to play xbox backups, to find a way to play backup online, to give NOTHING to MS,even one 1 doller. I don't care wether he really wouldn't sell xbox in other Asian countries or not, but what he said really hurt me. |
Hum? Good luck, hopfully you can find a way. It doesn't seem very easy. If you're too cheap anyways just play on xbconnect.
Post by: ppbest on March 25, 2003, 05:31:00 AM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Mar 24 2003, 11:29 PM) | ||||
Then why would you ask how can you play backups with a modchip with Action Replay? You would have to buy a Xbox in the first place. So you are mad at MS because they weren't going to release the Xbox in Asia, but then they did? I get understand your reasoning, but when people bash MS, their reasoning never make sense anyways... |
I love game.
Post by: XbOxGoD on March 25, 2003, 05:54:00 AM
| QUOTE (ppbest @ Mar 25 2003, 01:38 PM) | ||
what i said touch you? i play backup so i'm cheap or maybe i play U.S backup product that i'm cheap ? ur ppl really seems like your president. |
you want to play us games on live? well just buy them, they are region free
Post by: shanafan on March 25, 2003, 11:21:00 AM
| QUOTE (ppbest @ Mar 25 2003, 09:38 AM) | ||
what i said touch you? i play backup so i'm cheap or maybe i play U.S backup product that i'm cheap ? ur ppl really seems like your president. |
I don't understand a word of that.
Post by: leigao84 on March 26, 2003, 07:12:00 PM
Post by: DarkSideKila on March 27, 2003, 04:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Mar 20 2003, 09:55 PM) |
| For example, to play a Dreamcast backup, run the DC Gameshark, and swap discs. Very easy method that doesn't involve a modchip. But, this same method can not be used with the PS2. You need to modchip to perform the swap trick with the PS2. |
hmm... you make DC backing up seem soo simple, my only problem with this quote.... "to play a dc backup" yes it is very simple.... also 95% of DC backups done right nerver need any type of "boot disk"... with the exceptions of a few old games...
but to "back-up a dc game yourself" and insert bootstrap configure files correctly since the disk writes dats from edge in as opposed to in out.... etc. is another story.
firstly u need to stream the disk like xbox to pc first of all... since DC uses a propriatary "GD" rom format..... you better hope to GOD you bought a Broadband adapter for DC like i did or the transefer could take up tp a day.... and unless you have a "newbie" "scene" release which "is the ideal way to go" since it save tons of time and headache's then i guess you could say "dc" backups and playing the back-ups is simple...
but how many of you can make them yourself in under 30min.?
as far as i saw the regular person couldn't "backup" there "Dc" games... it was mostly a scene thing.... not like ps1/ps2/xbox backing up.... which any 10 year old can be thought to master in an hour.... "my lil cousin" is proof : )
this is getting "way off subject " but as far as backing up yourslef.... DC is by far the most complex system so far until a realistic gamecube mod is released... but then again the dc does not need any mod-chip.... so it's a trade-off....
Post by: shanafan on March 27, 2003, 06:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (DarkSideKila @ Mar 27 2003, 08:54 PM) | ||
hmm... you make DC backing up seem soo simple, my only problem with this quote.... "to play a dc backup" yes it is very simple.... also 95% of DC backups done right nerver need any type of "boot disk"... with the exceptions of a few old games... but to "back-up a dc game yourself" and insert bootstrap configure files correctly since the disk writes dats from edge in as opposed to in out.... etc. is another story. firstly u need to stream the disk like xbox to pc first of all... since DC uses a propriatary "GD" rom format..... you better hope to GOD you bought a Broadband adapter for DC like i did or the transefer could take up tp a day.... and unless you have a "newbie" "scene" release which "is the ideal way to go" since it save tons of time and headache's then i guess you could say "dc" backups and playing the back-ups is simple... but how many of you can make them yourself in under 30min.? as far as i saw the regular person couldn't "backup" there "Dc" games... it was mostly a scene thing.... not like ps1/ps2/xbox backing up.... which any 10 year old can be thought to master in an hour.... "my lil cousin" is proof : ) this is getting "way off subject " but as far as backing up yourslef.... DC is by far the most complex system so far until a realistic gamecube mod is released... but then again the dc does not need any mod-chip.... so it's a trade-off.... |
Was I talking about MAKING a Dreamcast backup? No, I wasn't. I was talking about PLAYING a Dreamcast backup.
Post by: DarkSideKila on March 27, 2003, 09:27:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on March 27, 2003, 09:33:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| was not dissing you but you stated you use ar2 and swap like ps2... which is not true for dc.... you can use ar2 on a backup but it is not needed for almost all dc games that are backed up... |
Well, whenever I play my backups for Dreamcast, I use my Gameshark to boot them. Maybe I will try booting them without the Gameshark sometime just to test
Post by: shanafan on April 04, 2003, 02:15:00 PM
My PS2 version is the very first one.
Any ideas?
Post by: lucas on April 05, 2003, 12:18:00 AM
| QUOTE (ppbest @ Mar 26 2003, 12:38 AM) |
| what i said touch you? i play backup so i'm cheap or maybe i play U.S backup product that i'm cheap ? ur ppl really seems like your president. |
wtf is this supposed to mean? you're cheap because you dont want to give money to some poor coder who slaved away making the games you play, reguardless of their nationality. fuckin moron
Post by: ppbest on April 06, 2003, 05:59:00 AM
| QUOTE (lucas @ Apr 5 2003, 09:18 AM) |
| wtf is this supposed to mean? you're cheap because you dont want to give money to some poor coder who slaved away making the games you play, reguardless of their nationality. fuckin moron |
Sure i hope to give money to these "poor" coder, and sure i know it's cheap to refuse to do this. but it shouldn't be a stupid fuckin pig like you who tell me this, i've known what i should do when you were a baby pig sucking your mom.
i don't want to pay to M.Gates cause personnel reason, since the coders are involved, I'm sorry for that. ur president is doing something the others don't want to see, and maybe he feels sorry, but he won't stop it, yes or no? which sorry is bigger?
So don't repeat the same word ,like a world police, to everyone who don't pay until you know the situation, all of them know what they should do earlier than you. Your words can maybe change something for a child but never a adult; stop to make yourself like a god. This is the first time and also the last time I tell you this.
If you are not agree with me, it doesn't matter.
If you are still preparing to give me some lessons,, fuck your girl at first if you got a penis.
If you can not understand what I said, don't feel strange cause you are a speaking dog who speaks in a human forum.
If you give me some more words like "fuckin moron", my dog will make another you with your mother tonight, that is PROMISED.