Post by: feflicker on January 12, 2003, 09:07:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on January 12, 2003, 09:55:00 PM
Post by: rooicity on January 13, 2003, 06:12:00 AM
BUY IT !!!
Otherwise the X-box will be known in a few years as the Dreamcast 2
Post by: Hazim on January 13, 2003, 02:55:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on January 13, 2003, 03:12:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| What about tackling it from a different direction entirely. I'm not sure if everyone's familliar with the BNETD project, but what they did was build their own program that emulated Blizzard's Battle.net servers. So clients could connect to them without any kind of system/software checks. I'm sure Live! is pretty complex and that it would take alot of work, but I think it would be alot more feasable/sucessfull than trying to hack MS' Live! Like yasman said, because you have to connect to their server they have a ton of ways to detect and block you. |
Yeah, its called XBConnect or Gamespy. They don't access Live in anyway, but you can still play games online.
Post by: yasman on January 14, 2003, 06:47:00 AM
That's why it will never be as good as xbox live. If the modded xbox can route xbox live traffic to an Alt. xbox live server, now that would be awesome.
Post by: dgalmo on January 14, 2003, 01:29:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on January 14, 2003, 03:57:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| xbconnect is great, at least for free anyways. Question is, would it be possible for xboxconnect or gamespy to integrate the software to be viewed on your tv and controlled with your controllers like live? Is it impossible or just to time consuming for a free program? |
Its impossible on many levels. First off, the idea behind the two is being allow to play system link games on a WAN. If they made software to mimick Live, it wouldn't be available to download at a normal website because it would be built with signed code.
Its just too impossible to happen...
Post by: Fuzzy on January 14, 2003, 06:56:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on January 15, 2003, 12:59:00 AM
Post by: indotoonster on January 16, 2003, 07:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (Hazim @ Jan 13 2003, 10:55 PM) |
| What about tackling it from a different direction entirely. I'm not sure if everyone's familliar with the BNETD project, but what they did was build their own program that emulated Blizzard's Battle.net servers. So clients could connect to them without any kind of system/software checks. I'm sure Live! is pretty complex and that it would take alot of work, but I think it would be alot more feasable/sucessfull than trying to hack MS' Live! Like yasman said, because you have to connect to their server they have a ton of ways to detect and block you. |
Hi Hazim,
I had been thinking along those same lines exactly! :-)
The thing is, I think emulating Xbox Live! servers has different legal implications than what XBconnect and Gamespy does. XBconnect and Gamespy tunnelling are completely legit solutions, they're just tricking the Xbox into thinking it's connecting to another Xbox on a LAN. But think about XBL: the games must be hardcoded to look for specific MS servers out there on the 'Net, and circumventing this would necessarily require intercepting these packets and redirecting them to the new servers. Knowing MS, I'm sure they have this in their small print about how naughty and illegal it would be ;-)
Just my uninformed opinion, though! BTW, didn't BNETD run into legal problems with Blizzard?
cheers,
indotoonster
Post by: Tripamang on January 19, 2003, 06:01:00 PM
Why would you need to intercept packets? Just recode a whole new interface for xboxlive, xboxlive in all likely hood uses some sort of a standard to communicate witth all the games. You crack this standard it would be a very small step to making your own xbox live.
Make it with the open SDK and MS couldn't say boo.
Post by: xboxing on January 20, 2003, 01:30:00 AM
i have a mod, i don't cheat in games!!
ewwww, dirty insulting generalisation.
some people would pay 50 bucks to spoil your games anyway!!
dirty generalisation!!
Post by: NoMention on January 20, 2003, 10:51:00 AM
NoMention
Post by: VaporStone on January 21, 2003, 12:56:00 AM
Post by: VaporStone on January 21, 2003, 05:08:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on January 22, 2003, 12:28:00 AM
Vapor, where the did you hear that?
Post by: VaporStone on January 22, 2003, 12:57:00 AM
Post by: dkoikadabra on January 22, 2003, 01:00:00 AM
*cough*Bullshit*cough*
Damn, isn't this the second guy who claims to know someone who made a XBLive 'invincible' BIOS? You were arguing with the last dude for awhile, Shanafan... I'm sure you'd remember the jackass. Wonder if it's the same guy?
Post by: razorrifh on January 23, 2003, 07:02:00 AM
| QUOTE (Tripamang @ Jan 20 2003, 02:01 AM) |
| It's not as impossible as you think. Why would you need to intercept packets? Just recode a whole new interface for xboxlive, xboxlive in all likely hood uses some sort of a standard to communicate witth all the games. You crack this standard it would be a very small step to making your own xbox live. Make it with the open SDK and MS couldn't say boo. |
um... if the xbl game is looking for, lets say, 163.23.63.12:3701 to connect to the live server and get downloads or whatever you do on live (even with my employee discount live is too expensive! thus i dont have it, lol) wouldnt you need to reroute those packets to the new cloned server? it seems like you would need to forward them to me. seems simple but whatever
Post by: VaporStone on January 23, 2003, 11:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (dkoikadabra @ Jan 22 2003, 09:00 AM) |
| It fries parts, you say? *cough*Bullshit*cough* Damn, isn't this the second guy who claims to know someone who made a XBLive 'invincible' BIOS? You were arguing with the last dude for awhile, Shanafan... I'm sure you'd remember the jackass. Wonder if it's the same guy? |
fine ppl if you dont believe me then we just wait 2 weeks and ull see
Post by: dkoikadabra on January 23, 2003, 11:18:00 AM
Post by: shanafan on January 23, 2003, 11:19:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| fine ppl if you dont believe me then we just wait 2 weeks and ull see |
Well, I will remember you said this.
dkoikadabra, the last person who talked about a similar thing was kickace. He claimed his "friend" was developing and made a working copy of a program that allows you to play backups on Live. However, his "friend" didn't like the publicity kickace gave out and thus kickace stopped talking. BTW, nothing happened for awhile about this "program".
Vapor, again, I will remember you said 2 weeks. I will even give you 3! But, nothing will happen. He was probably bullshitting you anyways. Where did you even talk to this guy at? A dark alley late at night?
Post by: Fuzzy on January 23, 2003, 11:31:00 AM
Post by: VaporStone on January 23, 2003, 12:26:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on January 23, 2003, 12:59:00 PM
Post by: VaporStone on January 23, 2003, 01:36:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on January 27, 2003, 07:04:00 PM
Post by: PillMonster on January 28, 2003, 04:01:00 AM
As for emulating XBLive...the legal issues that would result would be endless...either buy another Xbox or put up with using XB Connect. That's the way it is, live with it.
Post by: No_Name on January 28, 2003, 07:55:00 AM
Think about that one.
Post by: shanafan on February 01, 2003, 11:32:00 AM
We are anxiously waiting...
Post by: xMonoxide187x on February 01, 2003, 11:35:00 AM
Post by: Fuzzy on February 01, 2003, 11:52:00 AM
| QUOTE (xMonoxide187x @ Feb 1 2003, 07:35 PM) |
| I wish it was my damn Gamertag that would get banned, then I'd only have to spend $50 instead of $200 if I do eventually get banned. |
actually no you wouldnt, search around a bit
Post by: Fuzzy on February 02, 2003, 06:24:00 AM
Post by: echto on February 02, 2003, 11:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (VaporStone @ Jan 22 2003, 12:57 AM) |
| actually shanafan it isnt BULLSHIT its real i talked to one of the people developing actually i talked to him in person... they said it will be released in 2 weeks or so but they are having problems with it right now because after a couple days of use it fries parts on the xbox and they have to replace parts . so no shanafan it isnt bullshit , its a bios that re copies it self over top of it self after it haz booted the copy or something like that |
Hey I believe you. The parts on the xbox that get fried are they the parts that set next to the flux capacitor or do they set next to the transporter IC linear chips? Is this something that magic pixie dust will fix?
Post by: shanafan on February 08, 2003, 08:17:00 PM
Post by: xMonoxide187x on February 08, 2003, 09:53:00 PM
| QUOTE (Fuzzy @ Feb 1 2003, 08:52 PM) | ||
actually no you wouldnt, search around a bit |
Yeah, I know theres ways to get around it, I meant legitly.
Post by: bagel5009 on February 09, 2003, 08:27:00 AM
Post by: LumbraX on February 09, 2003, 08:51:00 AM
| QUOTE (bagel5009 @ Feb 9 2003, 04:27 PM) |
| vapor!!!!!!! answer us, we need more info on this Bullshit 1.4 Bios |
lol
Post by: shanafan on February 09, 2003, 10:06:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on February 10, 2003, 06:25:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| SHANAFAN !!! GO ASK HIM IT CANT BE THAT HARD TO FIND HIM STOP POSTING ABOUT IT IN POSTS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT GET A LIFE!!!! |
http://forums.xbox-s...ST&f=30&t=30288
Well Vapor has given up. It is obvious now he made the story up just to get attention.
Post by: greengiant on February 10, 2003, 08:37:00 PM
I really don't know.
I can't deny nor say it's true to the posts by vaporstone or any other poster here whether what is being said is true. Reason I dun really care or have the time to answer such questions.
My point of view, if you can load copied games on xblive then that opens it up for cheating. I donot like cheaters.
Post by: emailer33 on February 12, 2003, 04:34:00 PM
| QUOTE (VaporStone @ Jan 22 2003, 08:57 AM) |
| actually shanafan it isnt BULLSHIT its real i talked to one of the people developing actually i talked to him in person... they said it will be released in 2 weeks or so but they are having problems with it right now because after a couple days of use it fries parts on the xbox and they have to replace parts . so no shanafan it isnt bullshit , its a bios that re copies it self over top of it self after it haz booted the copy or something like that |
most f**** BS ever lmao
Post by: bagel5009 on February 12, 2003, 05:59:00 PM
Post by: greengiant on February 12, 2003, 10:36:00 PM
It has been done and is working, so far.
There are several ways about it, software based, memory modification, xbe hacking, bios.
What vaporstone said is not entirely a Lie, I can't deny nor agree to the facts that it is me, cause as far as I know i haven't done such.
But i do know it has been know, and some of the attempts using a Bios has led to the resistor r34 or r76 being blown because of some problem in the way the memory is being attempted to be written.
That is all.
Post by: bagel5009 on February 13, 2003, 12:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (greengiant @ Feb 13 2003, 06:36 AM) |
| luther you are on the right track. It has been done and is working, so far. There are several ways about it, software based, memory modification, xbe hacking, bios. What vaporstone said is not entirely a Lie, I can't deny nor agree to the facts that it is me, cause as far as I know i haven't done such. But i do know it has been know, and some of the attempts using a Bios has led to the resistor r34 or r76 being blown because of some problem in the way the memory is being attempted to be written. That is all. |
hmm......
Post by: xMonoxide187x on February 13, 2003, 04:34:00 PM
| QUOTE (gainpresence @ Feb 9 2003, 07:03 AM) | ||||||
I'm pretty sure that changing your EEPROM isn't illegal (maybe the software to do so is, though). |
Eh, I'm also sure it isnt illegal, but I didn't say illegal, I meant a way to do it without having to do anything like that. EEPROM changing isn't illegal depending where you get the EEPROM from.
Post by: shanafan on February 13, 2003, 05:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (readonly @ Feb 13 2003, 10:52 AM) |
| im not sure why u cant deny or say that it works, sounds like ur trying to stay on the fence until it works or doesnt and then take credit or dont depending on what happens? |
The thing you have to aware of here is never say this or that is impossible/never will happen. Because a month/year from now, you will be eating your own words. Trust me, opjose and I highly stressed that you can use modchips enabled with Live, and well, the rest is history.
Post by: PillMonster on February 18, 2003, 04:24:00 AM
Post by: greengiant on February 18, 2003, 01:07:00 PM
As pillmonster posted, no matter what is made to circumvent the checks by XBLive, MS will always come out with a new protection. Part of XBLive is a feature where when a new version comes out, it will automatically download and update your copy of xblive software to the newest version, thus there is NO way of an effective cheat to the protection.
I do know vaporstone, but now by the name vaporstone, i know him from other place where his nick is different. Only realised this after I received a dozen msg's and emails asking about this bios.
Post by: shanafan on February 18, 2003, 02:11:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Part of XBLive is a feature where when a new version comes out, it will automatically download and update your copy of xblive software to the newest version, thus there is NO way of an effective cheat to the protection. |
I am not trying to start any flame wars. If you knew Vaporstone like I do, he acts really immature about someone trying him to back it what he said.
Anyways, Live doesn't update automatically, it does ask you.
Post by: greengiant on February 18, 2003, 09:37:00 PM
Mandatory wich are done while you play a game or are on the xb live network. Those are used for future protection methods against modchips.
Voluntary wich are updates to the program for features and such.
Guess wich prompts you and wich doesn't.
Post by: shanafan on February 18, 2003, 11:04:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Mandatory wich are done while you play a game or are on the xb live network. Those are used for future protection methods against modchips. |
Interesting. Would'd you know about that?
Post by: rooicity on February 19, 2003, 07:51:00 AM
Since your Xbox is normally hanging directly to your Router your Xbox has a direct connection to the internet and thus Xbox Live.
Since being able to hack Xbox Live is so difficult cause of the fact that you should hack the software on the Xbox itself wouldn't it be possible to create the following setup :
Xbox with NIC --> PC01 NIC01 to PC01 NIC02 -> Internet/Xbox Live ( a simple pc with 2 network cards )
so that the Xbox is not directly connected to the internet and create a piece of software that scans the packages that go from NIC01 to NIC02 and back and remove or change all kind of packages that check for ModChips.
So whenever the software sees a request from Xbox Live to validate that no modchip is enabled the Software will block this package and send a package back to Xbox live with the answer that theirs no Modchip activated even if it would be so.
Post by: shanafan on February 19, 2003, 12:28:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Mandatory wich are done while you play a game or are on the xb live network. Those are used for future protection methods against modchips. |
I still would like an answer about this. How do you know Live is updating your system when you are playing on it?
It does ask before you sign on, that an update needs to occur before continuing. That makes sense.
But, an "invisible" update??
Post by: greengiant on February 19, 2003, 03:30:00 PM
rooicity that is somewhat of a possibility there are a few people working on figuring out the XB live protocol and to see if it is possible to intercept packets and either kill them or modify them.
From preliminary readings on posts and people talk, there are crc checks done on the packets sent from/to xb live network.
Post by: shanafan on February 19, 2003, 05:35:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| shanafan its one of the things you learn when you do this kind of work. Little by little you learn things by accident. |
Um, you still didn't answer my question... what proof did you get?
Post by: greengiant on February 19, 2003, 09:16:00 PM
Post by: rooicity on February 19, 2003, 10:22:00 PM
It would kill the Xbox, right know Live is the major reason that a lot of people are buying games instead of pirating them. It would be a shame if the Xbox became another Dreamcast story.
Post by: greengiant on February 20, 2003, 11:39:00 PM
It would only ruin the experience, while MS will surely come out with new protection and such the pass-thru would only work for a few days.
It still would allow people to cheat on the system.
Post by: Fuzzy on February 21, 2003, 08:01:00 AM
Post by: bagel5009 on February 22, 2003, 02:21:00 PM
Post by: redneck on February 23, 2003, 08:48:00 AM
now whats the point of buying a console (wait ill correct meself there, a gaming machine
) and not buy the games??? fair enough i havent found the courage to mod it yet, im still looking to see if i can fit some flat cc's in it and chop and change it a bit but why not spend £40 on a game. then you can enjoy it. mind you it is my sheltered veiw and option.
Post by: redneck on February 23, 2003, 08:51:00 AM
.anyway thats how i theorise it. xbox live is like a hl server
Post by: ebonn101 on February 24, 2003, 01:05:00 PM
Post by: johnney5 on February 26, 2003, 03:50:00 PM
Post by: ebonn101 on March 13, 2003, 03:24:00 PM
Post by: Wargen on March 13, 2003, 04:04:00 PM
| QUOTE (johnney5 @ Feb 26 2003, 06:50 PM) |
| i fully agree with anyone that said its good to buy live games. I agree that M$ is getting ripped off enough, and live games are a small way to pay them back. Now, look at yourself with a stackful of dvd-rs with no cases, and your evox launch menu filled up, and tell me your not ashamed! |
I am not ashamed but I still support this action. I buy LIVE games and games that is worth buying, others, I copy them on my HDD.
Post by: EvilWays on April 22, 2003, 10:37:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on April 22, 2003, 10:52:00 PM