Post by: darylzero on January 23, 2003, 11:13:00 AM
Post by: shanafan on January 23, 2003, 11:21:00 AM
Post by: XbOxGoD on January 23, 2003, 03:21:00 PM
or
pretend you are IRS and you want to audit thier console system, so you want samples of lots of eeprom data.
or don't get banned
Post by: shanafan on January 23, 2003, 05:19:00 PM
Post by: VaporStone on January 23, 2003, 05:26:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on January 23, 2003, 08:35:00 PM
Post by: bagel5009 on January 25, 2003, 08:03:00 AM
EDIT: whoops didnt see ^^^ post
Post by: andreo on January 25, 2003, 12:37:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on January 25, 2003, 02:42:00 PM
Post by: Marmite on January 27, 2003, 03:30:00 PM
Post by: Lowen Na on January 28, 2003, 07:26:00 AM
| QUOTE (ChocoboLee @ Jan 28 2003, 01:53 AM) |
| Assuming an eprom generator (and tester) is possible, once a lot of unmodded xboxes get banned b/c they are unlucky to have their key generated and then banned, MS will have to unban everyone b/c they can't tell who's who. |
exactly
Post by: shanafan on January 28, 2003, 06:34:00 PM
Post by: No_Name on January 29, 2003, 04:56:00 AM
You want to try and ban every XBox and force MS to unban you so you can use a illegally copied game on XBox live.
If you have the store bought DVD then why the hell would you worry about this.
This is a total joke and waste of time IMO
You want to get gametag banned then fair enough, but dont get the rest od us banned with you
Post by: No_Name on January 29, 2003, 05:12:00 AM
"I would not have bought it anyway" BS save it I have heard it all before.
If you want to try out a game rent it. If you dont like it dont rent it again.
Post by: bagel5009 on January 29, 2003, 08:58:00 AM
Post by: shanafan on January 29, 2003, 01:18:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Assuming an eprom generator (and tester) is possible, once a lot of unmodded xboxes get banned b/c they are unlucky to have their key generated and then banned, MS will have to unban everyone b/c they can't tell who's who. |
So, because you fucked up, you want to get someone else banned?
Post by: Marmite on January 29, 2003, 05:33:00 PM
Post by: red1busta on January 29, 2003, 05:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (Marmite @ Jan 30 2003, 01:33 AM) |
| ARROWED!!! |
Huh?
| QUOTE |
| as I already said, this topic is a JOKE |
I agree....
Post by: plehem12 on January 29, 2003, 09:45:00 PM
Post by: smokeingit on January 29, 2003, 10:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (Lowen Na @ Jan 25 2003, 04:49 PM) |
| really it's not a joke and here is why: there are already "brute force" key gens for Windows XP and Ofice XP which have to athenticated by an MS server before they install. Those Key Gens generate a key, then connect to the MS verification server and say "Why, hello. I am a copy of windows xp that is being installed, here is my install key" Then the MS server is like "That is not a valid key, so go home" Then the key gen is all like "hmmm... ok, how about this one?" and gives it another key that it generated. And the MS server is like" nope, sorry, please try again" And this goes back and forth for like 10 or 15 mins till the key gen says to the server "try this one" And the MS server says "this one checks out, come on in" And the Key Gen saves that key to a text file and disconnects from the server. So, if someone could decode the formula for the Xbox Eprom and if some one used a packet sniffer to figure out the what LIVE says to the Xbox when is has a valid eprom, and what is says to the Xbox when it has an invalid Eprom, you easily make a program that generates eproms and validates them using the live server. Things that might get in the way of this: The complexity of the Eprom formula (encrypted?) The protocol of the Xbox-Live validation (encrypted?) What if MS figured out how to detect this "brute force" eprom gen and validation method and started black listing all the generated eproms? Thats ok, because the will only hurt them selfs by black listing valid eproms. Imagine what would happen if brand new Xboxes could not go on live becuase MS had already banned the eprom from when on modchip-user had generated this same eprom by chance. It would be a Cust. Serv. nightmare, and a PR debochel. |
HAHAHAAHAH i love this one!
so how is it gonna be asking? make a eprom then shut down. make sure the fucking mod chip is not runnin and then turn back on and test it online? then if it is bad to the mod chip on and then make a another eprom? or would it try to connect with a modcip so it can do eproms on the fly which in this case it would ban them anyways sense the MS server can detect mod chips... please fill me in on this shit.
Post by: rewen on January 29, 2003, 10:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (Lowen Na @ Jan 25 2003, 03:49 PM) |
| really it's not a joke and here is why: there are already "brute force" key gens for Windows XP and Ofice XP which have to athenticated by an MS server before they install. Those Key Gens generate a key, then connect to the MS verification server and say "Why, hello. I am a copy of windows xp that is being installed, here is my install key" Then the MS server is like "That is not a valid key, so go home" Then the key gen is all like "hmmm... ok, how about this one?" and gives it another key that it generated. And the MS server is like" nope, sorry, please try again" And this goes back and forth for like 10 or 15 mins till the key gen says to the server "try this one" And the MS server says "this one checks out, come on in" And the Key Gen saves that key to a text file and disconnects from the server. So, if someone could decode the formula for the Xbox Eprom and if some one used a packet sniffer to figure out the what LIVE says to the Xbox when is has a valid eprom, and what is says to the Xbox when it has an invalid Eprom, you easily make a program that generates eproms and validates them using the live server. Things that might get in the way of this: The complexity of the Eprom formula (encrypted?) The protocol of the Xbox-Live validation (encrypted?) What if MS figured out how to detect this "brute force" eprom gen and validation method and started black listing all the generated eproms? Thats ok, because the will only hurt them selfs by black listing valid eproms. Imagine what would happen if brand new Xboxes could not go on live becuase MS had already banned the eprom from when on modchip-user had generated this same eprom by chance. It would be a Cust. Serv. nightmare, and a PR debochel. |
Sorry, you're completely wrong.
The WinXP Activation Keygen doesn't do anything online (and if it did, MS could block it very easily ot just refuse your IP from attempting after x tries).
The key is generated depending on the hardware in your system (try replacing the HDD and reinstalling WinXP with the same key, or even replacing other key hardware components, most cases it will not accept your key, last I heard). They Keygen generates the key based on the algorithm but then also has to check each key to see if it passes for your hardware. This takes many many attempts (200+ when I tried) and doesn't involve your connection to the internet at all.
Do your research next time
Post by: Lowen Na on January 29, 2003, 10:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (rewen @ Jan 30 2003, 07:01 AM) |
| Sorry, you're completely wrong. The WinXP Activation Keygen doesn't do anything online (and if it did, MS could block it very easily ot just refuse your IP from attempting after x tries). The key is generated depending on the hardware in your system (try replacing the HDD and reinstalling WinXP with the same key, or even replacing other key hardware components, most cases it will not accept your key, last I heard). They Keygen generates the key based on the algorithm but then also has to check each key to see if it passes for your hardware. This takes many many attempts (200+ when I tried) and doesn't involve your connection to the internet at all. Do your research next time |
Sorry, but you are mistaken. The key that you are talking about is teh other side of the activation. I am talking about the "CD Key" that you type in when installing windows. the is a formula to this key, but not all keys that fit the formula have been activated by MS so they have to be tested online first.
This is how the keygen that I have works
Also, you have to make an number of changes to your system befoer you system has to be "re-validdated" by MS. Changeing just you harddrive by it self would not be enough. You house have to change the amount of ram, hardrive, video and then it would ask you to call MS for an updated code.
And you are right that MS could just block you IP, but it's not like it is hard to get another IP.
Post by: Lowen Na on January 29, 2003, 10:23:00 PM
| QUOTE (shanafan @ Jan 29 2003, 03:34 AM) |
| Sigh, as I already said, this topic is a JOKE |
Shanafan.... 1800+ post from 9-2002... man you must be pathetic.
Back up your post if you want to be taken seriously.
Post by: gainpresence on January 29, 2003, 10:37:00 PM
There is no reason to play "backups" on live if they are truely what you say they are, backups of your original, why not just play your originals. If you fuck and and ban yourself like an ass. It's your fault. Go buy another Xbox. It's not expensive at all (perhaps you mother could buy it for you).
If you really must play your "backups" online, use another service, like XBConnect. There is no reason to litter this forum anymore with your childish rants.
Good day.
Post by: Lowen Na on January 30, 2003, 07:52:00 AM
| QUOTE (gainpresence @ Jan 30 2003, 07:37 AM) |
| It would be VERY illegal to try and hack Xbox Live. Or even to try and generate "keys". As someone already said, YOU agreed to the terms of service (Not playing with a modified box, etc, etc..), YOU should follow your "legally binding" agreement. If you do not, you deserve a ban. There is no reason to play "backups" on live if they are truely what you say they are, backups of your original, why not just play your originals. If you fuck and and ban yourself like an ass. It's your fault. Go buy another Xbox. It's not expensive at all (perhaps you mother could buy it for you). If you really must play your "backups" online, use another service, like XBConnect. There is no reason to litter this forum anymore with your childish rants. Good day. |
er... how does generating epproms let you play back-ups on live? Valid eprom + mod turned on chip still equals ban.
Also, it is very illegal to use a mod chip that uses any of the bioses that are avilable except for the linux one. And it is very illegal to use any of the programs that people use on there XBOX when it is modded becuase they were made with XDK kits with out licence. So there is no need to eve bring up legality. Try not to hurt you self when you step off your high horse.
Learn more about the subject before posting your Childish rants
Good day
Post by: No_Name on January 30, 2003, 07:59:00 AM
Post by: No_Name on January 30, 2003, 08:17:00 AM
Post by: smokeingit on January 30, 2003, 11:23:00 AM
| QUOTE | ||
Because I am not talking about running this epprom gen on the XBOX, but on a PC. |
On a PC?!?!?! i must have given you to much credit before then.... i thought you were not that stupid... but a PC can not go on xbox liVe. those banning the eeprom anyways....
Post by: shanafan on January 30, 2003, 01:14:00 PM
Post by: Marmite on January 30, 2003, 03:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (gainpresence @ Jan 30 2003, 10:37 PM) |
| Think about this.. You connect to live on your PC with a VALID eeprom.. The server sees that your PC is not an XBOX (not the same bios, etc). THE NEW VALID EEPROM GETS BANNED.. If you run this never to be invented software on an XBOX, the VALID eeprom gets banned because the mod would have to be on for it to work at all. Simple logic. |
It could be set up to just disconnect.
Post by: Stornn on January 30, 2003, 05:23:00 PM
| QUOTE (Marmite @ Jan 30 2003, 02:33 AM) |
| ARROWED!!! |
OOOW, My skin!
PUNT!
Dag, yo.
Post by: smokeingit on January 30, 2003, 05:45:00 PM
| QUOTE (Lowen Na @ Jan 30 2003, 09:54 PM) |
| You really are an idiot. I know that a PC can not go on Live. A pc doesn't have to go on live. The PC would log on the the live servers posing as an Xbox for the perpose of validating the generated eeprom. It doesn't "go on live" to play games or anything else, it just connects to the live validation server to test the eeprom. I don't know why I am even wasting my time here, this board has the highest consentration of dumbasses I have ever seen save for the IGN forums. |
How am i the Idiot? your the damn ass that cant buy a clue... only way to test a Vaild eeprom is by a non modded XBOX STUPID!!! do you get it yet? This is as bad as ISONEWS, n00bs all over the place here.
Post by: Zzzen on January 30, 2003, 11:36:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Assuming an eprom generator (and tester) is possible, once a lot of unmodded xboxes get banned b/c they are unlucky to have their key generated and then banned, MS will have to unban everyone b/c they can't tell who's who. So, because you fucked up, you want to get someone else banned? |
Let's say it, an eeprom i a suite of numbers, it' s generated relating the hardware in your Xbox, this number is unique. Let's say to make for our example 64 bits....I doubt that MS makes such a low ID, so but for our example, just take it so that's make it simple...
Ok, a 64 bits key makes 2ex64 possibilities, make the calcul yourself, 64*63*62*61* until 1.
That's make billions and billions of possibilities....so you have a chance over billions to get the same eeprom number as somebody else.
So the whole point of my explanation is that, for me, if an eeprom would (ever) been cracked or generated, I would say that you friend which has an valid xbox eeprom would ever been banned because of you....that's make sense no ?....unless MS sells billions of Xbox, which I doubt it
I think that Lowen Na, makes an interesting point here, as everybody knows, nothing is imposible, it would be difficult of course. I am pretty sure to crack the eeprom than the MS keys, but then, nothing is impossible, you know what, nothing is protected 100% sure...it's just a question of time as you know what I mean...
People like all the forbidden thing isn't, it's challenging somehow to break it, just for fun sometimes...it's like a 10 years old kid, we forbid him to watch porno movies, and so, he will attempt to watch it...
Then it will just lead to the old question of morality, should I or should I not get a pirated games and go on live, I think that debate will ever get a winner. There are pros and cons...
So I think that No, this topic is not a joke, it' s an interesting point that Lowen make it here, it's very much related to Piracy and cracking but still....
Post by: No_Name on January 31, 2003, 01:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (gainpresence @ Jan 31 2003, 01:53 AM) | ||
I think I know who you are "No Name". |
O
PM me then.
Post by: Lowen Na on January 31, 2003, 10:23:00 AM
| QUOTE (gainpresence @ Jan 30 2003, 10:37 PM) |
| Think about this.. You connect to live on your PC with a VALID eeprom.. The server sees that your PC is not an XBOX (not the same bios, etc). THE NEW VALID EEPROM GETS BANNED.. If you run this never to be invented software on an XBOX, the VALID eeprom gets banned because the mod would have to be on for it to work at all. Simple logic. |
I am not talking about just telneting in to Live or connecting with a some "off the shelf" program. I am talking about making a program that simulates an Xbox's TCP/IP connection protocols. Live would not be able to tell that it was a PC doing it.
Laymans terms: The PC program pretends to be an Xbox.
Post by: gainpresence on January 31, 2003, 11:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (Lowen Na @ Jan 31 2003, 12:23 PM) | ||
I am not talking about just telneting in to Live or connecting with a some "off the shelf" program. I am talking about making a program that simulates an Xbox's TCP/IP connection protocols. Live would not be able to tell that it was a PC doing it. Laymans terms: The PC program pretends to be an Xbox. |
But it would CRC (or whatever) check the BIOS. If it can't find it (architecture is different) or if the BIOS is different in anyway from the Xbox's BIOS. Then the new eeprom gets banned.
Post by: darylzero on January 31, 2003, 11:22:00 AM
This thread should be locked. If someone wants to try and do this nonsense, go do it. Stop talking about it until you get it to work.
Post by: ChocoboLee on January 31, 2003, 11:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (gainpresence @ Jan 31 2003, 07:16 PM) |
| But it would CRC (or whatever) check the BIOS. If it can't find it (architecture is different) or if the BIOS is different in anyway from the Xbox's BIOS. Then the new eeprom gets banned. |
As long as the protocol is figured out, this can be done. Who do you think does the CRC check on the bios? Code on Xbox Live servers, or code on the Xbox? Of course it's code on your Xbox. So when lives asks for the CRC checksum of the bios, all the PC program has to do it just return the correct checksum.
Of course, once we figure out the protocol, MS can easily change it by updating the xboxdash.xbe. Then we will be back at square one! So in some sense, this might not be worth doing. But it's an interesting topic... to me at least.
I don't know why people are getting so mad about us talking about this. I am, for one, not trying to do this so that I can play backup games on Live. I just want to be able to revive my Xbox so that I can play Live with bought games and still do XBMP and emulators on my Xbox.
Post by: ChocoboLee on January 31, 2003, 11:43:00 AM
| QUOTE (darylzero @ Jan 31 2003, 07:22 PM) |
| WHO GIVES A SHIT? This thread should be locked. If someone wants to try and do this nonsense, go do it. Stop talking about it until you get it to work. |
Jeez, isn't this forum here for people to discuss these things?
Post by: Lowen Na on January 31, 2003, 12:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (ChocoboLee @ Jan 31 2003, 08:43 PM) |
| Jeez, isn't this forum here for people to discuss these things? |
you must be thinking of some other forum
Post by: allstart on August 02, 2005, 02:46:00 AM
Post by: astrophong on September 21, 2005, 12:17:00 AM
Firstly, you don't generate an EEPROM unless your on star trek and got one of those holodecks. The EEPROM is a physical component.
The XBox live relevant information stored in it are the serial number, which some people did make a generator for a while back, the online key, and the Unique HDD Key (not to be confused with the hard disk serial number).
This is defiantly more complicated than generating a valid CS or BF2 key.
You need to generate 3 keys now. I don't know how M$ does their banning checks, but I'm sure when M$ generates their set of keys they have a system that logs those relevant keys that are stored in a data base used for authentication.
Now lets say that they pair the hdd key with the online key, now your talking about possible random pairings. How would you account for that? If you were to test each combination generated, it would take more time than it is worth (especially since you can purchase a key for $10).
That is if you could us a PC to connect to the XBL system for verification. Now your trying to figure out more than just error codes, which we don't know really a whole lot about anyways. Now you are looking blindly at understanding the protocol and commands sent back and forth between the Xbox and XBL servers (which are most likely encrypted).
As for the examples of kia or xbconnect, they are just tunneling software that tricks your Xbox into thinking that it is on a LAN (VPN may do the same trick). If you understand how a bridge works or used Kali, you'll get the idea. XBL is much more sophisticated than kia and xbconnect, and, for the most part, no way similar. It's like comparing DirectX with mspaint, they both can draw pretty lines but DirectX is a tad bit more.
And the Windows XP key generator example, it is generating a key offline and some will provide a "crack" to bypass the online verification. If you don't believe me and are running a hacked copy of windows, shame on you, then just run the 'windows genuine advantage' and see what happens. Its not impossible to do as it was suggested and do a brute force method, verifying each generated key. Again this would take a long time and a lot of attempts that M$ could either deny after so many tries or keep a log of (food for thought).
The real reason no one has made this magic eeprom generator is because its just not realistic.
So as it was said before this thread is a joke, it just requires common sense to actually understand why.
Post by: lordvader129 on September 22, 2005, 12:03:00 PM
the xp keygen is to fool an offline installer which verifies keys based on an algorithm, im willing to be dollars to donuts that xbox Live (online verification) checks the eeprom against a list of known valid eeproms, and if its not there, ban city (for your eeprom and HD)
while soemthing like this may work for being able to boot without a valid eeprom, or allow it to play on xlink of xbc it will not work for Live, and with banned eeproms being readily available and free (and able to sued offline and on xlink) who needs to put all the time and effort into something like this?
just to clarify: when i say "eeprom" i am referring to the serial data stored on the eeprom chip generally called the "eeprom" so dont bother pointing out to me what an eeprom really is, i know what it is
Post by: Safrole on November 28, 2005, 05:01:00 PM
I understand what you think is feasible, that you have your PC as an impostor trying to find "valid keys". I would find it a bit interesting too, but only as casual reading since I don't care too much about Live.
The reason these people attack you (I think) is the same reason that no one has attempted such a thing. It goes to motive. People who desire this are 99% of the time looking for an easy way out of their predicament, regretful of having been banned because of their own mistake. It's a "joke" because they feel you got what you deserved. The charge of "you dumbass" is almost too predictable when you consider it in that light.
I think the only way for you to avoid ridicule pushing this idea is to garner interest in it outside of your redemption. (and GOOD LUCK with that) Shame on them for being mean, heh heh...
Post by: ExMachina08 on May 24, 2006, 07:42:00 PM
Post by: Alex548 on May 25, 2006, 03:34:00 PM
QUOTE
The key to the HDD of your xbox. I recently soft modded my friends xbox. (he was kinda a noob) he pretty much tried to "uninstall" the softmod by deleting all the files in the c: drive (including the eeprom).
QUOTE
without his specific eeprom his xbox would not accept the hard drive and it crashed. I tried using xboxhdm with my eeprom and it wouldn't work because I didn't have the right key.
Now, which one of you is the noob? EVERYONE knows you should backup your eeprom key to your PC for safe keeping. Since you're the one who softmodded his xbox... did you make the eeprom backup?
Also, it's common knowledge that YOUR eeprom key won't do a damn thing to help him lock HIS hdd to HIS motherboard. Knowing this, you tried anyway?
Just stick a chip in his xbox and use slayer's or AID 3.0 to rebuild his hard drive, then lock it with ConfigMagic.
When you're done... backup his eeprom & FTP it to a PC (and burn to disc) for safe keeping.
Post by: TheMuffinMan on May 25, 2006, 10:02:00 PM