Post by: flinchme on November 17, 2002, 02:15:00 PM
Post by: NeoKast on November 17, 2002, 02:16:00 PM
NK
Post by: pvwr on November 17, 2002, 03:28:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| this is too hilarious. people will return their xblive kits like crazy |
People with modded boxes you should say. Now let's think straight for a moment: what's the percentage of people out there with modded systems? Your average "gamer Joe" doesn't even have any idea of what's a "mod", in North America I don't think that more than 10% of units are modded (if all those units are modded). People are not going to return the kits like crazy because most normal people are not crazy enough to tamper with their systems, that's it.
Post by: XboxNewb on November 17, 2002, 04:01:00 PM
Post by: Satan00 on November 17, 2002, 07:09:00 PM
it shows a great lengthy example on how those guys are fools!
Post by: trithe on November 17, 2002, 07:38:00 PM
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Patrick: Hello and welcome to Xbox interactive online chat support! How
may I help you today?
Trithe: hey, whats up
Trithe: hows it going
Trithe: im having problems connecting to xboxlive
Patrick: I'm fine, Trithe.
Patrick: Unfortunately, Im not qualified to handle any Technical Support issues with your Xbox. However, I believe that you may benefit from speaking to a technical support representative over the phone. You can contact them toll-free @ 1 -800-4MY-XBOX ( 1-800-469-9269 ). It is open from 9am to 1am, eastern standard time, 7 days a week.
Trithe: well i just have basic questions
Trithe: do you think having a modchip and an 80 gig hard drive full of games would be the reason i cant connect
Trithe: pat?
Patrick: Sorry for the delay. Yes, the mod chip is the main reason why you can't connect to the Xbox Live service.
Trithe: am i out for good?
Trithe: pat, i know that delay was because you were sending ms my information so they can take me out. i forgive you though
Patrick: The Xbox with the mod chip installed that you used to try and connect to Xbox Live will be blocked from accessing the service now and in the future. For now, You are free to continue using your Xbox Live account, but will need to play on another Xbox. You can move your account in one of the following ways: If you have previously saved your account to a memory unit, you can move to another machine. You can use the account recovery process from a different machine to bring back your account. You can go into the dashboard under the memory section and save your account to a memory unit. NOTE: MS reserves the right to take other appropriate action in the future, which could include canceling the your subscription.
Trithe: pat, do i highlight something and cut and paste?
Trithe: talk to me like a person
Trithe: this techno mumbo jumbo is above my head
Patrick: Well, the bottom line, Trithe, is you're unable to use your Xbox on Xbox Live at this point.
Trithe: forever?
Patrick: That's correct.
Trithe: forever ever?
Patrick: Yes.
Trithe: well you know MS product activation was cracked? do you think this will be just like it?
Patrick: I'm afraid I can't say for certain. Can I assist you with anything else?
Trithe: i think that will do it
Post by: Satan00 on November 17, 2002, 07:40:00 PM
Post by: trithe on November 17, 2002, 08:05:00 PM
Post by: Gackt on November 17, 2002, 08:17:00 PM
Post by: Fuzzy on November 17, 2002, 08:19:00 PM
Post by: ShadowX on November 17, 2002, 11:09:00 PM
Post by: pvwr on November 18, 2002, 12:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gackt @ Nov 18 2002, 03:00 AM) |
| Indeed... EEPRom seems to be their weak point. |
Until people start buying XBoxes with the stolen serial numbers and MS crosses informaiton between two different account logs using the same XBox serial number. The one that stand up with the actual machine, untouched and with the correct serial goes on and free, while the other may end up loosing it's account (and facing whatever legal actions Microsof seems fit).
It's funny until someone gets hurt, and believe, people WILL get caught doing this. Good luck to all who are stupid enough to do so, but then again, don't come back on the forum crying M.icrosoft caught me with a stolen serial what can I do? Opjose? Anyone?
Post by: Oger on November 18, 2002, 09:22:00 AM
my side hurts
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Post by: spunky on November 18, 2002, 10:19:00 AM
Post by: Gackt on November 18, 2002, 10:26:00 AM
Post by: NeoKast on November 18, 2002, 11:35:00 AM
NK
Post by: CCC|FLAKfiser on November 18, 2002, 06:58:00 PM
1 modded, 1 non-modded - then u never have to worry
shit, they are cheap now, i got a brand new 1 for $174.99 from EBgames with S-Controller
Post by: dmb on November 18, 2002, 07:36:00 PM
if you havent installed live and gotten banned already.. then install a switch to be able to turn off you modchip from the outside of the Xbox. then buy the LIVE games. alot easier than buyin a 2nd xbox and games
check the tutorials on how to install the switches
Post by: CCC|FLAKfiser on November 18, 2002, 08:24:00 PM
Post by: Fuzzy on November 18, 2002, 08:36:00 PM
Me: look while your not here i figure ill start typing
Me: My xbox claims its not sending any packet when i cant connect ( i have worked on thie problem with 10 phone representatives to no avail) anyway it claims im not uploading or downloading, yet when i put a packet sniffer on the network it shows me talking to MS and shows no sign of rejection. Two questions, why do you make the xbox lie to the owner of it assuming they have no technical knowledge and two why am i not connecting
Me: this is not very good buismanship
Me: I find a company that lies to their consumers on purpose is not a good thing.
Me: I also have had several cases of different answers on the phones with representatives
Me: so tell me, why are you lying so much? what is there to cover up?
Me: Man this is taking a long time, you need more techies, or mabye you dont, if they all lie like i have
Me: heard* sorry got chopped off
this is something i wrote to a techy but my dad wants me off the internet so ill ask the same thing another time, for now you can read over my questions. (it wont actually say me im just protecting my name)
Post by: Satan00 on November 18, 2002, 08:47:00 PM
Post by: The Legendary Rob on November 18, 2002, 10:29:00 PM
"hey since my modded xbox won't work on xbox live i'll have to buy a new xbox. i'll give u first shot on this badass puppy. u wanna buy my modded xbox for lets say... $50. i'll throw in 100 games (your choice off course). BTW... free shipping!! BID NOW!!!"
Post by: spunky on November 20, 2002, 03:51:00 PM
| QUOTE (dmb @ Nov 19 2002, 02:36 AM) |
| Best Solution=Own 1 xbox and install a switch if you havent installed live and gotten banned already.. then install a switch to be able to turn off you modchip from the outside of the Xbox. then buy the LIVE games. alot easier than buyin a 2nd xbox and games check the tutorials on how to install the switches |
I have a very specific question...
I need to get rid of the dvdx v1 patch on my box (nope didnt back up first) and have been told that you can install the live disc which overwrites the xboxdash.xbe file removing the dvdx patch...
however will it make the check when i install live or when i connect to the server for the modchip as i cant turn off the switch until the patch is removed as it will boot as original because the unsigned code is there.....
Only after i have patched can i use the switch and it maybe too late
Any ideas ?
Cheers
Spunky
Post by: FawnTheGuyver on November 20, 2002, 04:49:00 PM
Post by: FawnTheGuyver on November 20, 2002, 05:19:00 PM
But I think it will take some time before we can go online with a moded box someone of you shold jurisprudence M$ for this because I think you all have payed for live and what we get .. nothing
Post by: opjose on November 20, 2002, 11:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (Fuzzy @ Nov 18 2002, 03:19 AM) |
| i dont think stealing eeproms will help us now....it may temporarily work but not for long... |
They would have to ban IP's and individual accounts.
This presents a BIG problem for them.
It's much easier for them to succumb and go with in game mod chip detection for online gameplay.
This is a much more reasonable solution all the way around.
Post by: FawnTheGuyver on November 21, 2002, 03:41:00 AM
me " Hi just a fast question about a moded Xbox and Live "
sup " Hallo if you have a moded Xbox you cant go online with Live "
me " yeah yeah I know but ... when I change the serial of the Box I can .... "
sup " You .. do what ? "
me " changing the Serial then I can go live. Ok only for short time but I can play but this is anoying like this "
sup " You cant do this .. "
me " I can "
sup " But ... this will be baned too and someone with a not moded cant go live then "
me " I know but I not care you fuck me so I do with you "
sup " Ah... so what you want know "
me " Ah yes I wanted know if to many serials are banned will then M$ re activate the accounts "
sup " I dont know. I think thay will open only this account which have no chip "
me " Yeah sure but this might be a bit difficult if you dont know which one when all accounts will be down. Why you dont let us play even with moded it is not so hard to find out if I run a copy of a Game then to check the Bios "
sup " It is not up to me only M$ do this we are from support and we cant open or close accounts "
me " I know but I want know when all or the most serials are down or used will then M$ open the accounts again ? "
sup " I cant tell but I think yes "
me " ok thanks .. Bye "
sup " Bye thanks for using Xbox Support"
so what we can tell we use all new serials so long until not moded player wil be able to go online and will complain about it. Mayby then thay will drop there spying on us..
And thay can ban IPs I dont know how it work in America but we get all 24h a new IP so if thay ban a IP the ISP and everyone who use it cant go then online. I Think thay ban only the serial it work like a Username to log on.
Post by: FawnTheGuyver on November 21, 2002, 12:32:00 PM
SO EVERYONE CHANGE YOU SERIAL SO LONG UNTIL NO ACCOUNT WORK :-P
Post by: Katonta on November 21, 2002, 11:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (opjose @ Nov 21 2002, 01:44 AM) | ||
They would have to ban IP's and individual accounts. This presents a BIG problem for them. It's much easier for them to succumb and go with in game mod chip detection for online gameplay. This is a much more reasonable solution all the way around. |
100 percent...
Post by: Katonta on November 22, 2002, 12:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (Metroid-X @ Nov 22 2002, 02:12 AM) |
| How do you talk to these guys? Whats the url to talk to the techs etc? |
call the support 800 line or go to the xbox site/forum
Post by: Zander on November 22, 2002, 09:50:00 AM
From lvl2 and up, you actually talke to a MS employee.
Z
Post by: Katonta on November 22, 2002, 11:11:00 AM
| QUOTE (Zander @ Nov 22 2002, 11:50 AM) |
| Guys, please note the lvl1 and the lvl1 supervisors are just outsourced. They don't work for MS, and couldn't care less about you or your xbox live account. They have no ability to lookup accounts, or to re-enable accounts. What they say has no bearing, they read from a sheet, and have no technical knowledge. They are know what they are told to know, nothing more, nothing less. From lvl2 and up, you actually talke to a MS employee. Z |
"lvl1 supervisors" now that sounds like a useless position
Post by: hevnsnt on November 22, 2002, 11:27:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| mike robinson: now im gonna have to return it to target and probably rip the cd key out of the paper cd case so ms cant track me down and kill me |
hahaha that was great
Post by: trithe on November 22, 2002, 03:06:00 PM
Post by: bagel5009 on November 22, 2002, 05:37:00 PM
Post by: bagel5009 on November 22, 2002, 06:00:00 PM
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FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: How come M$ is banning modchips for playin in xblive
Francisco Arenas: Hello and welcome to the Xbox Interactive Online Support. My name is Francisco.
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: Hi how are you
Francisco Arenas: I'm fine, thank you.
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: I am wondering why MS is banning xboxs w/ mod chips for playin on xbox live
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: Hello?
Francisco Arenas: Yes, modified consoles will be banned from Xbox live
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: And why is that
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: They can just get eeprom upgrades or serial numbers from other xboxes
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: And its just causing more hassle for MS
Francisco Arenas: Because that's illegal.
Francisco Arenas: Is there anything else I can help you with?
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: How are mod chips illegal?
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: This is what i would like you to help me with
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: Everyone assumes that mod chips are just made for illegal backups
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: But they actually can add more features to your xbox
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: ARE YOU THERE?
Francisco Arenas: MS will defend the gaming experience for our users on Xbox Live, and will not approve the use of any game cheating devices for the Xbox gaming platform. This is a violation of the Xbox Live Terms of Use. If users attempt to access Xbox Live with an Xbox installed with modified hardware or unapproved software, their Xbox will be blocked from accessing the service now and in the future. MS reserves the right to take other appropriate action in the future, which could include cancelin
Post by: bagel5009 on November 22, 2002, 06:01:00 PM
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: Why are they jumping to conclusions
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: That we are using mod chips for cheating
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: When no one has been able to do that yet
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: Is it ok if i call you CockSucker?
Francisco Arenas: You have to use an apropriate language when you chat with us.
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: Can i pls call you Gates?
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: I am really concerened about this
Francisco Arenas: My name is Francisco.
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: I feel it is unfair and not rite of MS to assume that we are using this for cheating purposes
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: Can you please provide me with all the information you can about this xbox live and modchip confliction?
Francisco Arenas: Sorry, but I'm not allowed to engage in any personal chat with you. Is there any other question you'd like to ask.
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: THIS IS NOT PERSONAL CHAT
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: This is about me defending my rights as an individual to find out why and how they are blocking the xboxes from using xbox live
Francisco Arenas: We don't handle that sort of issues here. Only presale questions.
Francisco Arenas: Do you have any question regarding that?
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: Why wouldnt you
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: HOW ARE THEY BLOCKING XBOXES FROM XBOXLIVE
Francisco Arenas: We don't have that information here. Anything else?
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: WHY ARE YOU BLOCKING XBOXES FROM XBOXLIVE
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: Is it soley for cheating purposes?
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: Or is it cuz you guys are lame ass fucks w/ no life and just want to be pussy shit and ban xboxes
Francisco Arenas: This chat is recorded as well as with your IP address. If you don't stop being diruptive we will take action and report this where you can be traced and legal actions can be done.
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: i am verrsy sorry
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: i am just very mad
FuckM$UpTheGoatAss: goodbye fransinsco
Francisco Arenas: It was a pleasure chatting with you today, for your convenience and future reference, you will receive by e-mail a detailed transcript of our chat, including all site links and services. Thank you for inquiring about Xbox. If you need further assistance, please come back and visit us again. I hope you have a nice day!
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Post by: Fuzzy on November 22, 2002, 06:06:00 PM
Post by: Katonta on November 22, 2002, 06:32:00 PM
Post by: forcelite on November 22, 2002, 07:02:00 PM
Now reguarding serial numbers.
I have posted this before and will again. You dont own your xbox in the same way that you dont own your dss card and dont own your drivers license. It can be confiscated at any time and is not suppposed to be messed with. Also I am sure that there are other identification numbers other than the serial number that m$ can use, maybe the original Hd ID or your ethernet ID, IP's are useless cause like someone said many peoples change all the time. So M$ may very well enable all serial numbers if to many legit ones get banned. For now if I were to get baned I would call saying I just picked up my xbox and live from the store and I cant get on, meanning to them that it was not a mod but a stolen serial #.
Post by: bagel5009 on November 22, 2002, 07:45:00 PM
Post by: RickH on November 22, 2002, 07:49:00 PM
| QUOTE (trithe @ Nov 22 2002, 06:06 PM) |
| i think lvl1 techs are panhandlers they pick up off the street. thats just my theory though |
Actually level 1 technical support is probably being provided by a service who employees people who work from home. They have phone lines installed and log into a website when available and their phone starts ringing. You could actually be calling someone down the street from you who works for the company. Sounds silly but it is a very inexpensive way to run technical support. The reason I know this is a friend of mine does this for a living. She has four different companies that she works for. She takes credit card orders for one company (Miss Cleo) and does Windows support for another one (Keen.Com). She quit her full time job and makes a good amount of money being self employed.
Post by: bagel5009 on November 22, 2002, 07:52:00 PM
Post by: forcelite on November 22, 2002, 08:31:00 PM
Post by: bagel5009 on November 22, 2002, 09:16:00 PM
Post by: DarkSideKila on November 23, 2002, 03:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (Metroid-X @ Nov 23 2002, 08:32 AM) |
| If you voted republican, you might as well voted most of your rights away. |
Fuck that! you vote democrate your going to loose your right's faster than you would any republican!!!! besides this is not a debate over pollitical parties in the USA! go to a .gov website for that shit.....
also remember that it was the democrates supporting the "DMPA" the most! get your shit straight brother!
"NRA FOR LIFE!!!!"
"XBOX_SCENE FOR LIFE!!!"
fuck all you other "hippie" bastered's...
Post by: DarkSideKila on November 23, 2002, 09:25:00 AM
I like to call it my hand-canon hehe...
*im sick of all this software leasing bull-shit! as far as im concerend it's mine i would like to see them try and tell me otherwise
Post by: forcelite on November 23, 2002, 10:13:00 AM
They way the world is going more and more rights have to be given up. With more and more people on this planet brings more and more wackos that dont care about anything. All it takes is a few extremists to do alot of damage to alot of people. SO, to minimize this we have to give up more rights(to when it will end I dont know). Back in the old days you could take your gun to the bar, what do you think would happen if everyone could do that today?
The EULA discussion:
Sony has gone through this same thing in the court system (although it was in a down-under society and would have surley not been the same outcome in our beloved USA), and basicly when we mod our systems we get around the copy protection scheme, thus violating the agrement. You seriously think MS had no clue of what a mod chip is and that people might try to do it to their system? Come on give M$ some credit for being intelegent. The only arguments that stands is to say you legitlmently bought DVD's and games from other countries and you wanted to play them, also you like to back up your games, but the aussie court said you must have a piece of the cd or dvd game to prove you purchased it in order to legally back it up. It does not matter how baddly damaged it is as long as you have a recognizable piece.
Post by: DarkSideKila on November 24, 2002, 05:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (forcelite @ Nov 23 2002, 05:13 PM) |
| For the republican discussion: They way the world is going more and more rights have to be given up. With more and more people on this planet brings more and more wackos that dont care about anything. All it takes is a few extremists to do alot of damage to alot of people. SO, to minimize this we have to give up more rights |
PPL who say we should give up more right's to stop ppl like terrorists are the biggest fucking idiot's there are in society!!!! Don't you think the hesteria etc. is what the terrorists want...??? If ppl had more right's... like in the few good states like Texas and Arizona... That alows any good citicen without a felony to get a conceald weapons permit! These things would have never occured as they did! To point out a fact when this law passed in arizona and texas serious crime went down 150% first year!! You are my exact case... a stupid flamming liberal...!
Also, this is no place to be talking politics as I stated earlier! Go to a .gov site if you wish to debate politics... for now just STFU... please and drop it... the shit comming out of your mouth is making me ill...