Post by: XBOB LIVE on November 15, 2002, 11:44:00 AM
Post by: lucasz on November 15, 2002, 11:45:00 AM
I still think this call may indicate good news, but only time will tell. For now, I'm playing Metal Gear Solid 2 ans some others I just picked up.
Post by: NaughtyNu on November 15, 2002, 11:45:00 AM
Post by: XBOB LIVE on November 15, 2002, 11:49:00 AM
Post by: toasted69 on November 15, 2002, 11:49:00 AM
Post by: NaughtyNu on November 15, 2002, 11:58:00 AM
Post by: PCreaper on November 15, 2002, 11:58:00 AM
Post by: Derfel on November 15, 2002, 11:58:00 AM
Derfel
Post by: Derfel on November 15, 2002, 12:01:00 PM
Post by: toasted69 on November 15, 2002, 12:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (XBOB LIVE @ Nov 15 2002, 06:53 PM) |
| so you have had the unmodded xbox on xbox live before the release date with the retail version?? |
no i didnt get retail till the 14th but my moded and unmoded didnt wrk since monday but my unmodded wrks moded dont wrk with chip disabled and originalk unmodified hd as soon as i got my matrix i put a new 120 gig hd and yanked out the 10 gig even back to original unmodded staste that box wont connect
Post by: pvwr on November 15, 2002, 12:07:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| thats why we are not getting a response from the packet sniffing stuff, he said quite simple there is no server there to connect to. when you first log in to xbox live it designates a server to you |
Now wait. IF, and only IF, people where playing 24/7 this strategy would make any sense. Also, even if it was that, server replication should take care of that. They can't rely on this kind of strategy if they want even load balance between servers.
I will let the dust to settle down, but I'm ready for the worst, whatever it is.
Post by: Derfel on November 15, 2002, 12:12:00 PM
up-y-x-y
Thats the one for my serial #.
Derfel
Post by: eXpired on November 15, 2002, 12:14:00 PM
Post by: Questioner on November 15, 2002, 12:15:00 PM
Post by: Derfel on November 15, 2002, 12:23:00 PM
Post by: XBOB LIVE on November 15, 2002, 12:39:00 PM
for like an hour. thats a supervisor they went and got from a different floor to come down and speak with me. he himself assured me he would call me back with a solution today. he said he would go and research the problem and talk directly to the live online team. if he knew it was a modchip he would have fed me some bullshit yes, but he didnt give me any. he said he didnt know. they have had a few calls like this and most of the people with this problem logged on before the 15th when they werent supposed to. i dont really care either way, i have a job and can just go buy a new xbox, i would rather not have to but i can. so if its modchip detection then fine ill get a new one. if it isnt then i wont. im just trying to get my shit fixed and help you all out also. if you dont wanna take my help then okay
Post by: NaughtyNu on November 15, 2002, 12:46:00 PM
Everybody is just frustraited. Just gotta chill and wait I guess. Go rent MGSS or something, get a tall drink, I dunno heh
Post by: Skunky on November 15, 2002, 12:58:00 PM
| QUOTE (Derfel @ Nov 15 2002, 10:58 AM) |
| This falls in line with what I think is going on. I can confirm that you are assigned a server the first time you log in. I can also confirm that the numbers on the Y screen have nothing to do with modchips. It has everything to do with network settings. I got a tech support guy here (Live support is in austin, tx as am I) and he told me that those people who bought early are having most of the problems and that Target got a stearn talking to :/ . What I didn't expect him to say was that I could get rid of the "patch" or "update" that live sent me by restoring my XBOx to factory settings. At this I was surprised. He looked up a reset code based on my serial number and told me to enter it and it will reconfigure my xbox. This code is under the sys info screen. You press Y and it asks you for the code. Its 4 keypresses long and supposedly completey restores the system. He said all saved games go bye-bye. I have not tried this but there is some hope in this. Someone more brave than I might want to try this. I have no need as I returned my live kit to target for a refund. I am gonna wait this out until they get it settled. You have to get the code from tech support. Good luck. Derfel |
i pressed Y at the sys infor screen under settings and nothing happens...
Post by: XBOB LIVE on November 15, 2002, 01:00:00 PM
Post by: Skunky on November 15, 2002, 01:02:00 PM
| QUOTE (XBOB LIVE @ Nov 15 2002, 12:00 PM) |
| on the phone with xbox now they called me back but now im on hold |
shwey....i was on the phone for an hour yesterday and today and still waiting for tier 2 call back..
Post by: Derfel on November 15, 2002, 01:03:00 PM
Post by: Derfel on November 15, 2002, 01:08:00 PM
Post by: Skunky on November 15, 2002, 01:09:00 PM
| QUOTE (XBOB LIVE @ Nov 15 2002, 12:06 PM) |
| they are telling me exactly hat happend to me they looked up my stuff and everything i was directed to a server that is turned off they said i might have to reset the xbox and reinstall it to reconnect to the correct server?? still on hold now they are talking about it |
sweet....let me know the key combo!!n Watch them be on the scene now watching what you are doing and then they won't give you shiznat!!!! heh
Post by: Skunky on November 15, 2002, 01:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (Derfel @ Nov 15 2002, 11:12 AM) |
| Yes, the code is console specific. I can give you the code that corresponds to my xbox, but I was told it will only work for some. Best bet is to call tech support and ask for your own code. up-y-x-y Thats the one for my serial #. Derfel |
heh.... up yxy exactly!!! whY Xbox whY
Post by: Skunky on November 15, 2002, 01:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (XBOB LIVE @ Nov 15 2002, 12:06 PM) |
| they are telling me exactly hat happend to me they looked up my stuff and everything i was directed to a server that is turned off they said i might have to reset the xbox and reinstall it to reconnect to the correct server?? still on hold now they are talking about it |
So whats the deal BOB????
Post by: Derfel on November 15, 2002, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: XBOB LIVE on November 15, 2002, 01:35:00 PM
Post by: Derfel on November 15, 2002, 01:38:00 PM
Post by: Derfel on November 15, 2002, 01:44:00 PM
Post by: XBOB LIVE on November 15, 2002, 01:47:00 PM
Post by: XBOB LIVE on November 15, 2002, 01:55:00 PM
Post by: teetu on November 15, 2002, 01:56:00 PM
I played dumb of course, but unfortunately the tech guy i talked to was dumber than me when I was playing dumb (thats dumb!). He's like let me do some research and I'll be back. He gave me some server overload BS, so i was like tell Bill Gates to go fuck himself if you have server problems.
Hes all like "it was a miracle you were able to sign up with a retail kit early". I was all "yeah, its a miracle I can't get on when it's supposed to be working".
Post by: ghost828 on November 15, 2002, 01:57:00 PM
Post by: Derfel on November 15, 2002, 02:03:00 PM
Post by: PCreaper on November 15, 2002, 02:07:00 PM
I was comletely honest with the tech and she was nice (and much smarter than the average). Her Knowledge Base went down during the call and we had to wait 10 mins for it to come up for the info on the fixit plan (Address etc.). We chit chatted in the meantime. She knew about xboxhacker.net and this site so she was up on the choas that they have caused. She was also very aware of all the things a mod could - so I nicely reminded her that if MS would have warned people about the MOD chips with Live MS could have actually stunted sales of the MOD chips to some users because they knew they wouldn't be able to get onto live and there for never buy a chip. Also sending everyone out to buy an extra xbox to play live actually loses MS money. I asked her if my account was in trouble and she said no just your box.
The only reason I was honest was because I have a second xbox (unmodded) which my Live works on just fine. Also it kinda became neccessary when I realized I was getting the check with your ISP brushoff so I decided to admit that my machine HAD at one point had Mod inside it. (I have since taken it out for testing purposes, but I will be putting it back in if the box is truly blacklisted). I also asked about a buddy who is in the same boat and she told me to tell him to get a new box (unless you want to go the $148 ficit plan route) and then phone back and they will help him recover his account to the new one because he doesn't have it on memory card.
So there - they did admit to banning boxes - but only after I admitted having a MOD. These people are not trying to destroy peoples fun, they are just protecting their service.
Post by: Derfel on November 15, 2002, 02:13:00 PM
Post by: PCreaper on November 15, 2002, 02:29:00 PM
Any new info.....anyone else going down this "new" way Xbob live is going.
Post by: XBOB LIVE on November 15, 2002, 02:34:00 PM
he is trying a few things. i guess been on hold for like 5 minutes again. he said that they dont bann serial numbers just incase you were wondering. the haven and wont. they suspend your account if your bad
Post by: Grendel on November 15, 2002, 02:34:00 PM
Like I said before... I am a pirate, but I am not an asshole about it.
I knew DAMN well what I was getting into when I opened the X-Box.
The ONLY people that should be the SLIGHTEST bit upset, are the ones that put the chip in to get a bigger harddrive to put more music on, or the ones that only wanted to play the one or 2 home made games that are out, or the ones that only made real backups of their originals which they then stored in a vault for safe keeping.
IF YOU COPIED ONE FRIGGIN GAME ILLEGALLY, then I say quit yer bitching, and take your medicine. Don't blame MS for this guys... that connotes that you are not able to take responsibility for your actions and I think that is way below your intelligence. You knew what you were doing.
Sorry if this offends anyone.
Gren
Post by: pvwr on November 15, 2002, 02:37:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| I was offered a fixit plan where I could pay $148 Canadian and send it to MS to have it checked (for no mods/proper working order) and declined. |
I'd prefer cashing out extra C$200.00 and get a new box with 2 games than doing so, it's best to keep this unit as an not-so-expensive DiVX desktop player and that's it. I modded it for this purpose, of course I didn't expect to have it serving only for this in the end, but many people who made copies are crying over nothing, as they didn't pay the retail price on those games they have on their HDD and surely they should have a way to buy a new box only for Live, if they care for it.
Post by: dpgz on November 15, 2002, 02:38:00 PM
Stop denying it and face up to the facts that people are having their XBOX's serials blacklisted from XBL servers.
I was a BETA tester in the UK, until they decided to ban my XBOX from the service. It stopped working for me on the 13th, but i knew that it was too early to suggest anything until the actual release date(today 15th)
My XBOX did have:
TSOP flashed to Evo X 2.5
Original HD with a few games and apps on
boots to evoxdash.xbe
I decided to change this to try and make XBL work as it would not work with the above config
So i changed to:
Enigmah with switch
All games and modds taken off HD
boots straight to the MS dash
STILL NO LUCK.
So looks like its gonna have to be a new xbox for me
Post by: toasted69 on November 15, 2002, 02:41:00 PM
Post by: Zander on November 15, 2002, 02:56:00 PM
Maybe it's because some of you don't understand such things, I don't know.
I only hope opjose can come on this evening and restore some order to the ppl who keep saying "THIS IS WHAT IT IS!!!!!" without any evidence or investigation on their part. Do something that actuall ADDS to the threads.
Z
Post by: alee132 on November 15, 2002, 03:00:00 PM
Post by: XBOB LIVE on November 15, 2002, 03:01:00 PM
Post by: Zander on November 15, 2002, 03:07:00 PM
You honestly don't expect us to believe that merely hitting "Y" at the system info screen resets your box do you?
Tell us EXACTLY what he said to do to reset the xbox. We can try it on a unmodded xbox and verify what you say is true.
If you do not, then it is obvious you lied the entire time.
I hope you prove me wrong.
Z
Post by: dpgz on November 15, 2002, 03:08:00 PM
Post by: XBOB LIVE on November 15, 2002, 03:10:00 PM
Post by: teetu on November 15, 2002, 03:13:00 PM
Post by: NaughtyNu on November 15, 2002, 03:15:00 PM
Post by: XBOB LIVE on November 15, 2002, 03:15:00 PM
Post by: [AD] on November 15, 2002, 03:15:00 PM
I have a Virgin Xbox here ( Never been opened )
Tried the press Y shite in the system info screen..... guess what????
NOTHING HAPPENED.....
Post by: XBOB LIVE on November 15, 2002, 03:17:00 PM
Post by: Skunky on November 15, 2002, 03:17:00 PM
Talked with someone on #xblive on efnet... netjunkie to be exact..he got a new xbox..he did me a favor and went to the sysinfo screen and hit y..nothing came up for him.... its a V1.1 box new so bob..if that dude was like you are wasting his time..i would call him backup and say FU you are wasting my time with his BS about the Y key...
Post by: dpgz on November 15, 2002, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: XBOB LIVE on November 15, 2002, 03:23:00 PM
peace going to walmart
Post by: dpgz on November 15, 2002, 03:24:00 PM
Must have been the guy from MS chattin BS
Post by: teetu on November 15, 2002, 03:29:00 PM
Post by: imnotatfault on November 15, 2002, 03:32:00 PM
it's like a witchhunt, only way less redeeming.
i have been unable to connect for three days. the first attempt i had made i had disabled my chip.
i have a virgin hard drive and a mod with a switch (open xbox).
this y debate makes me want to spit in all of your faces who seem to be ignorant of this plain and simple fact.
he told you to hit Y so you could bring up your network stats. you do it from the screen inside XBOX Live where it tests your connectivity.
An operator told me to do it so he could get my Upload/Download speed, which were both zero, as expected.
Everyone is hypothesizing, but instead of doing what you should by saying "Maybe it's this" or "I think that possibly it is this" you idiots are saying "THIS IS WHAT IT IS!" or "I KNOW WHAT'S WRONG ALTHOUGH I HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO FACTS TO SUBSTANTIATE THIS."
everyone just stop being stupid and perhaps collectively we can find a solution. not by wasting each other's time with stupid bullshit.
c'est fin.
Post by: imnotatfault on November 15, 2002, 03:34:00 PM
hitting Y isn't a tell tale mod detection, or any type of detection at all.
he probably just called you on being an idiot because you didnt know the proper screen to hit the button in, dummy.
Post by: opjose on November 15, 2002, 03:35:00 PM
There are -TWO- levels of problems.
1 - The "can't connect" connectivity issue.
I still have no idea why this happens, but it seems to definitely be a Kerberos problem.
If you go into the Xblive control panel and try the connectivity test, you SHOULD see all the icons appear with no RED ICON.
If you get a single red icon at the bottom, you have the connectivity problem.
I have been unable to get past this on afflicted machines with or without mod chips installed.
2 - The actual game play issue if connectivity test is ok.
If you have connectivity and try to fire up, say MOTOGP Online from the retail disk, the very first time you launch it you WILL be connected (mod chip or no mod chip) and you will be notified that an update is required.
The update downloads some new code to your Xbox which adjusts the connection servers for the game you are trying to launch.
In all cases, mod chip or no, kerberos authentication does occur.
-AND- (drum role please) the downloaded code -DOES INDEED- detect mod chips!
Once the download has occurred you can SWITCH OFF the mod chip and revert back to the OEM BIOS. It doesn't matter if the chip was on or off during the update though.
IF YOU DO, XBLive does work fine on your modded machine, EVEN if you have replaced the console with Evolution-X!
So, yes, I'm eating it a bit on this one. The downloaded "checker" code was new to me until I had a chance to see it in action.
The working modded (switched) xboxes have replacement locked drives, btw.
Post by: Derfel on November 15, 2002, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: ZildjianKX on November 15, 2002, 03:39:00 PM
And I must add, this is really messed up, Xbox live users are paying to use xbox live, and they pull this crap.
Post by: Derfel on November 15, 2002, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: ZildjianKX on November 15, 2002, 03:46:00 PM
I'm not sure if you realize this, but XBL is a PAY service, meaning you pay to play games online. Not all people who have modchips PIRATE the games. So people just paid for a year long service that they can't use, even if they don't pirate and just want to run linux or region free progressive scan dvd... and that seems right to you? If you didn't have to pay for xbox live, it wouldn't be that big of an issue...
Edit- I don't even have XBL or plan on getting it, I think its a waste to pay to play online for a game you already paid for, but its still messed up what theyr'e doing.
Post by: Derfel on November 15, 2002, 03:54:00 PM
Question: Are you blocking people with mod chips from Xbox live? Even if they are running retail games?
( Shane has joined )
( Michael has joined )
Michael: Hello and welcome to the Xbox Interactive Online Support, my name is Michael.
Shane: hello Michael
Michael: Sorry, we have no information about mod chips or their use with Xbox Live.
Shane: really? that seems strange
Shane: But I guess you cant help me then. Thanks for your time
Michael: You're welcome.
Michael: It was a pleasure chatting with you today, for your convenience and future reference, you will receive by e-mail a detailed transcript of our chat, including all site links and services. Thank you for inquiring about Xbox. If you need further assistance, please come back and visit us again. I hope you have a nice day!
( Michael has exited )
( Shane has exited )
Clear as mud.
Post by: PCreaper on November 15, 2002, 03:57:00 PM
Post by: ZildjianKX on November 15, 2002, 04:03:00 PM
And I know Bill Gates is the figurehead of MS, but its like saying Norio Ohga (CEO of Sony) is to blame for PS2 antipiracy.
Post by: xdrei on November 15, 2002, 04:11:00 PM
Post by: Deacon brown on November 15, 2002, 05:15:00 PM
I REPEAT IT DOES WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But i cant remember how to get it again so im going to go and try it in a mo give me a sec.
Post by: Deacon brown on November 15, 2002, 05:23:00 PM
They did not metion anything to me about a code (i found this out by reading this forum) I tell u what.
If this is not sorted MS will be getting £150 of me come the 25th for a new Xbox.
Coz i need Xbox live dude, and it looks like all these mod chips have proper fucked up coz they will not be worth SH!T as u cant play them on Xbox live.
It would not suprice me if MS had been testing the chips since they came out and thinking ways of screwing it up.
Basicaly look at it like this, Sony dont have a HD so they would not be able to screw with it as they is no where to add the new update.
But seeing as MS can see the sh!t on ur box ur Fu@ked!!!
Like i said i will go and see if i can remember how to do the y thing
if u need me MSN me on [email protected] pease out dudes
Post by: NaughtyNu on November 15, 2002, 05:25:00 PM
Is is something else if Y doesn't work?
I tried it on my Xbox (modded with X-ecuter), nothing.
My friend with an unmodded box came back today and I got him to try it, nothing.
So who wants to call these so called techies back that told them they had a modded system because Y didn't work now? :/
Post by: Skunky on November 15, 2002, 05:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (NaughtyNu @ Nov 15 2002, 04:25 PM) |
| Ok, with this Y thing in the System Info screen... Is is something else if Y doesn't work? I tried it on my Xbox (modded with X-ecuter), nothing. My friend with an unmodded box came back today and I got him to try it, nothing. So who wants to call these so called techies back that told them they had a modded system because Y didn't work now? :/ |
I don't think anything pops up...i think Y just starts the code and you just do them in order..
Post by: Derfel on November 15, 2002, 05:29:00 PM
Post by: NaughtyNu on November 15, 2002, 05:36:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| This code is under the sys info screen. You press Y and it asks you for the code. Its 4 keypresses long and supposedly completey restores the system. - Derfel well i been busted. someone try to go to the system info screen and hit y and see if it works?? mine wouldnt do it and he said really?? i said yeah and he said oohhhhhh. i said oh what he said why didnt you save me the hour and a half i just spent trying to fix your xbox and tell me you had it modded. - Xbox Live |
According to these guys you hit Y in the System Info screen and stuff pops up. Xbox Live even said the guy on the phone said a modded system can't do the Y thing. My friends Xbox is not modded and he can't do it.
So what's up with that?